From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Fri Jan  1 15:51:06 2010
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 23:51:06 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Happy New Year Everyone
In-Reply-To: <69278.13721.qm@web111402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C763CA6A.4019%bradwr@wrightholdings.com>

I sure am glad we have people "protecting" us.  Jeesh!




On 12/31/09 12:55 PM, "Robert Nech" <rnech at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Be careful when having that Rootbeer Kegger party!
> 
> Cops bust teens' root-beer kegger
> Dozens of high schoolers forced to take breath tests
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23851011/
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 12/31/09, Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com <Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com <Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com>
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Happy New Year Everyone
>> To: "Angela "Red" Wright" <angelawr at wrightholdings.com>
>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 11:11 AM
>> And a Happy New Year to you Red.
>> 
>> We'll be seeing you at FITS with a flying Keg of Rootbeer!
>> 
>>  -- Peter
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> In case I have too much champagne tonite to remember, I
>> wanted to wish you
>> all a HAPPY HAPPY New Year!? :)
>> 
>> Be safe, and I will see you all at FITS 2010!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Angela Dinese Wright
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>> 
>> 
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 16:22:39 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:22:39 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Happy New Year Everyone
References: <C763CA6A.4019%bradwr@wrightholdings.com>
Message-ID: <DA759A3CD2A74A50A3C45993C5619B1A@LaptopKrausert>

I'm still having an issue here. Police conducting blood-alcohol testing on 
minors would be considered null. Sure, when you get a drivers license, you 
agree either to do it or lose your license if asked driving. But these kids 
were at a party. How can they expect any testing to become admissable by 
law? They cannot. While this event was on the up and up, with rootbeer. But 
even if a minor agrees to the breath test, it is still inadmissable in 
court. And if they refuse, the police have nothing to force them to take the 
test. As long as they're not in a vehicle or on public roads or sidewalks. 
Sure some were 18 years and older. But they were in a residence. Police 
cannot enforce testing under those measures. In the state of Oregon, the 
police could be fined $5000 per minor and per 18+ that didn't sign an 
agreement to the test. Unless they were all outside on the sidewalk or 
street. Then the 18+ could be testing upon request. The minors would require 
parental approval first. These police officiers are likely in for some 
parental complaints, and each are entitled to a fine against the police.

Again, they cannot pull you from a residence and force a test. Only if 
you're on the sidewalk or street.
Cheers,
Robert

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Wright" <bradwr at wrightholdings.com>
To: "Robert Nech" <rnech at yahoo.com>; "RocketsNW" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Happy New Year Everyone


I sure am glad we have people "protecting" us.  Jeesh!




On 12/31/09 12:55 PM, "Robert Nech" <rnech at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Be careful when having that Rootbeer Kegger party!
>
> Cops bust teens' root-beer kegger
> Dozens of high schoolers forced to take breath tests
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23851011/
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 12/31/09, Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com <Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> From: Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com <Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com>
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Happy New Year Everyone
>> To: "Angela "Red" Wright" <angelawr at wrightholdings.com>
>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 11:11 AM
>> And a Happy New Year to you Red.
>>
>> We'll be seeing you at FITS with a flying Keg of Rootbeer!
>>
>>  -- Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Angela \"Red\"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wright"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <angelawr at wrighth
>>
>>
>> To
>>
>> oldings.com>
>> "rockets at rocketsnw.com"
>>
>> Sent
>> by:
>> <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>
>>
>> rockets-bounces at r
>>
>>
>> cc
>>
>> ocketsnw.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject
>>
>>
>> [RocketsNW] Happy New Year
>> Everyone
>>
>> 12/31/2009 08:32
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In case I have too much champagne tonite to remember, I
>> wanted to wish you
>> all a HAPPY HAPPY New Year! :)
>>
>> Be safe, and I will see you all at FITS 2010!
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Angela Dinese Wright
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Fri Jan  1 19:50:03 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 19:50:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Happy New Year Everyone
In-Reply-To: <98A6214F884D4845B0CAF114F85D6397@LaptopKrausert>
References: <3E98A03ED20E984BAFAFF0A4891CDC2C0175A6@BL2PRD0103MB035.prod.exchangelabs.com>,
	<52A8E9EC808146F9A844625ABB63380F@LaptopKrausert><BLU107-W100BF4833E5D45CE37007EDC770@phx.gbl>
	<9a7a127071ab2f874593cffbac6ce645.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
	<98A6214F884D4845B0CAF114F85D6397@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <98ed527405beb717b30662c02dc0acac.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

I am pleased to announce that after New Year's I still have all ten
fingers and didn't even set my pants on fire.  :)

So, weather permitting, I have none of the usual New Year's excuses and
will be able to attend the Jan. 7 OROC meeting.  If you want any of the
free pizza, get there earlier than me!

Actually, it was pretty quiet around here.  Ever since a couple years ago
when the cops busted a guy a few miles away for making big bangers the
number of notable booms on the Fourth and New Year's has been much lower. 
Must have been the local supplier.  Snif...I miss the good ol' days seeing
the clouds light up and then hearing the boom *fourteen seconds* later.
+McG+


> Don't cut Ken off just yet. He'sh shnot slurring enough yett. Besisheds,
> he
> still has most hiz fingers left.
>
> Ken,
> Just use the reflection on the dining room table to see and light the
> fuse.
> Also, keep remaining finger clear of fuse.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com>
> To: "Bill Munds" <appusher at q.com>
> Cc: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Happy New Year Everyone
>
>
>> Ummm...the cutoff point is when I'm too drunk to light the ***ends*** of
>> the fuses on the firecrackers........  :-0
>>
>> Happy New Year!
>>
>> Save lives: Use a designated driver.
>> Save fingers: Use a 'punk' to light fuses!
>> +McG+
>>
>>
>>
>>> You better not spill adult beverages.  Thats the 'cut-off' point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PSP wishes to  thank all the regional flyers for their support over the
>>> past year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Happy New Year to all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill and Dave at
>>>
>>> Puget Sound Propulsion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
>>> Join me
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com
>>>> To: angelawr at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:45:58 -0800
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Happy New Year Everyone
>>>>
>>>> Happy New Year to everyone. May the champagne not spill on your dining
>>>> room
>>>> table.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes for 2010.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Angela "Red" Wright" <angelawr at wrightholdings.com>
>>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:32 AM
>>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Happy New Year Everyone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > In case I have too much champagne tonite to remember, I wanted to
>>>> wish
>>>> you
>>>> > all a HAPPY HAPPY New Year! :)
>>>> >
>>>> > Be safe, and I will see you all at FITS 2010!
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers!
>>>> >
>>>> > Angela Dinese Wright
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Rockets mailing list
>>>> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rockets mailing list
>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>> Rockets mailing list
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>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Fri Jan  1 21:48:08 2010
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 05:48:08 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Happy New Year Everyone
In-Reply-To: <DA759A3CD2A74A50A3C45993C5619B1A@LaptopKrausert>
References: <C763CA6A.4019%bradwr@wrightholdings.com>
	<DA759A3CD2A74A50A3C45993C5619B1A@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <26D7A545D6E2E5429D76747FE82E2EBF04D9A8@BL2PRD0103MB034.prod.exchangelabs.com>

well all likely true but with the continued erosion of any level of protection from abuse (aka the "patriot" act) these sorts of intrusions and worse will continue.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Krausert [mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:23 PM
To: Brad Wright; Robert Nech; RocketsNW
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Happy New Year Everyone

I'm still having an issue here. Police conducting blood-alcohol testing on minors would be considered null. Sure, when you get a drivers license, you agree either to do it or lose your license if asked driving. But these kids were at a party. How can they expect any testing to become admissable by law? They cannot. While this event was on the up and up, with rootbeer. But even if a minor agrees to the breath test, it is still inadmissable in court. And if they refuse, the police have nothing to force them to take the test. As long as they're not in a vehicle or on public roads or sidewalks. 
Sure some were 18 years and older. But they were in a residence. Police cannot enforce testing under those measures. In the state of Oregon, the police could be fined $5000 per minor and per 18+ that didn't sign an agreement to the test. Unless they were all outside on the sidewalk or street. Then the 18+ could be testing upon request. The minors would require parental approval first. These police officiers are likely in for some parental complaints, and each are entitled to a fine against the police.

Again, they cannot pull you from a residence and force a test. Only if you're on the sidewalk or street.
Cheers,
Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Wright" <bradwr at wrightholdings.com>
To: "Robert Nech" <rnech at yahoo.com>; "RocketsNW" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Happy New Year Everyone


I sure am glad we have people "protecting" us.  Jeesh!




On 12/31/09 12:55 PM, "Robert Nech" <rnech at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Be careful when having that Rootbeer Kegger party!
>
> Cops bust teens' root-beer kegger
> Dozens of high schoolers forced to take breath tests
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23851011/
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 12/31/09, Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com <Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> From: Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com <Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com>
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Happy New Year Everyone
>> To: "Angela "Red" Wright" <angelawr at wrightholdings.com>
>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 11:11 AM
>> And a Happy New Year to you Red.
>>
>> We'll be seeing you at FITS with a flying Keg of Rootbeer!
>>
>>  -- Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Angela \"Red\"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wright"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <angelawr at wrighth
>>
>>
>> To
>>
>> oldings.com>
>> "rockets at rocketsnw.com"
>>
>> Sent
>> by:
>> <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>
>>
>> rockets-bounces at r
>>
>>
>> cc
>>
>> ocketsnw.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject
>>
>>
>> [RocketsNW] Happy New Year
>> Everyone
>>
>> 12/31/2009 08:32
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In case I have too much champagne tonite to remember, I
>> wanted to wish you
>> all a HAPPY HAPPY New Year! :)
>>
>> Be safe, and I will see you all at FITS 2010!
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Angela Dinese Wright
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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>


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From appusher at q.com  Sat Jan  2 17:59:59 2010
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 01:59:59 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] WAC Meeting January 9
Message-ID: <BLU107-W14E56C0F5595F5588C7620DC750@phx.gbl>


Anyone that is attending the WAC meeting January 9th have a video projector available to bring for a motor building presentation?

 

Bill










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From appusher at q.com  Sun Jan  3 09:39:28 2010
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:39:28 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] WAC Meeting January 9
In-Reply-To: <0487DDF3730FFE49BE7C89307E4047BCC910A4@wgiptcemx04.wgint.net>
References: <BLU107-W14E56C0F5595F5588C7620DC750@phx.gbl>,
	<0487DDF3730FFE49BE7C89307E4047BCC910A4@wgiptcemx04.wgint.net>
Message-ID: <BLU107-W1854BA3312A2C9B1F27908DC750@phx.gbl>


I have a 17" laptop that I can reply the video on but in an effort to hit maximum viewing so everyone can see it a video projector would be most helpful.

 

Then again, maybe to figure out how to play it to a TV might work.

 

Maybe burning it to a DVD might work.

 

Bill











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> Subject: RE: [WAC-Members] WAC Meeting January 9
> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:41:54 -0600
> From: andy.casillas at wgint.com
> To: appusher at q.com
> 
> Bill
> The church as a TV, VCR/CD player.
> Andy
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org on behalf of Bill Munds
> Sent: Sat 1/2/2010 5:59 PM
> To: WAC LIST; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [WAC-Members] WAC Meeting January 9
> 
> 
> Anyone that is attending the WAC meeting January 9th have a video projector available to bring for a motor building presentation?
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> i'm EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> Join me <http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood> 
 		 	   		  

From brodwcjj at integrity.com  Sun Jan  3 10:29:33 2010
From: brodwcjj at integrity.com (brodwcjj at integrity.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:29:33 -0600
Subject: [RocketsNW] FireFox?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.696.1177780171.21562.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
References: <mailman.696.1177780171.21562.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <bbf48aa9e9806e0f2902c6c8304ee63e.squirrel@wm.integrity.com>

Anyone heard anything about Firefox  chemical supply ?

Website has been down for a couple days    if not more.

Thanks,

Dustin


BAR-NAR-TRA-2


From jhadv at pacifier.com  Sun Jan  3 12:15:36 2010
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:15:36 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1262548802.1659.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20100103121433.037898b0@mail.iinet.com>

I noticed that the web-site is having problems.  It's not "down" but 
certain pages won't load.


From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 12:52:37 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:52:37 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20100103121433.037898b0@mail.iinet.com>
Message-ID: <3FAABC113BED4EE6B800F0B5DBA539F2@LaptopKrausert>

What web site? NWR or OROC website?

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Bogdanich" <jhadv at pacifier.com>
To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2


>I noticed that the web-site is having problems.  It's not "down" but 
> certain pages won't load.
> 
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From mfreptiles at aol.com  Sun Jan  3 16:41:48 2010
From: mfreptiles at aol.com (mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:41:48 EST
Subject: [RocketsNW] FireFox?
Message-ID: <e2d0.60d28fc2.3872934c@aol.com>

I've noticed the same thing.  Hopefully just a website or hosting  issue.
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2010 10:34:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
brodwcjj at integrity.com writes:

Anyone  heard anything about Firefox  chemical supply ?

Website has been  down for a couple days    if not  more.

Thanks,

Dustin


BAR-NAR-TRA-2

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From mfreptiles at aol.com  Sun Jan  3 16:48:25 2010
From: mfreptiles at aol.com (mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:48:25 EST
Subject: [RocketsNW] FireFox?
Message-ID: <e3bc.86dfe04.387294d9@aol.com>

Nevermind, it is back up with some new specials...Look at the price for AP  
in 500 lb. minimum:  $3.00 per lb.  That's the cheapest I've seen in  
awhile!  :)
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2010 4:42:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
mfreptiles at aol.com writes:

I've  noticed the same thing.  Hopefully just a website or hosting   issue.

Mike F.


In a message dated 1/3/2010 10:34:00 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time,  
brodwcjj at integrity.com  writes:

Anyone  heard anything about Firefox  chemical supply  ?

Website has been  down for a couple days    if  not   more.

Thanks,

Dustin


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From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Sun Jan  3 16:51:58 2010
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:51:58 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] FireFox?
In-Reply-To: <e2d0.60d28fc2.3872934c@aol.com>
References: <e2d0.60d28fc2.3872934c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B413BAE.40809@hawkfeather.com>

http://www.firefox-fx.com/ works for me.

Andrew.

mfreptiles at aol.com wrote:
> I've noticed the same thing.  Hopefully just a website or hosting  issue.
>  
> Mike F.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/3/2010 10:34:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
> brodwcjj at integrity.com writes:
> 
> Anyone  heard anything about Firefox  chemical supply ?
> 
> Website has been  down for a couple days    if not  more.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dustin
> 
> 
> BAR-NAR-TRA-2
> 
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From mfreptiles at aol.com  Sun Jan  3 16:55:56 2010
From: mfreptiles at aol.com (mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:55:56 EST
Subject: [RocketsNW] FireFox?
Message-ID: <e4f4.41e9d38c.3872969c@aol.com>

Just noticed the order by date in August, so apparently this is old  news.  
I did notice floor sweepings of AP for $3.00 lb. though.   Probably good 
enough for most of us unless you are trying to get a good green or  blue out 
of it.  Perfect for skidmark clones though.
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2010 4:49:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
mfreptiles at aol.com writes:

Nevermind, it is back up with some new specials...Look at the price  for AP 
 
in 500 lb. minimum:  $3.00 per lb.  That's the  cheapest I've seen in  
awhile!  :)

Mike F.


In  a message dated 1/3/2010 4:42:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,   
mfreptiles at aol.com writes:

I've  noticed the same thing.   Hopefully just a website or hosting   issue.

Mike  F.


In a message dated 1/3/2010 10:34:00 A.M.  Pacific Standard  Time,  
brodwcjj at integrity.com  writes:

Anyone  heard  anything about Firefox  chemical supply  ?

Website has  been  down for a couple days    if  not    more.

Thanks,

Dustin


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From ds at pacificrocketry.com  Sun Jan  3 21:16:33 2010
From: ds at pacificrocketry.com (Denny Smith)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:16:33 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] 2010 TRAPS Election Results
Message-ID: <000c01ca8cfd$14f8baa0$3eea2fe0$@com>

Happy new years....

 

Thanks to everyone who took the time to submit nominations and to vote for
your TRAPS Prefect and Secretary.  All the votes are in, and here are the
results:

 

2010 Tripoli Puget Sound (41):

 

Prefect:  Brad Wright

 

Secretary:  Denny Smith

 

Brad and look forward to serving the local Tripoli members for another year.
Keep working on those winter projects and we'll see you on the flight lines.

 

Best regards,

Denny Smith

 


From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Mon Jan  4 02:29:17 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 02:29:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Norway Spiral
Message-ID: <f148e46c9cd22d5fa7b28929b67aee6f.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

For those interested in some follow-up analysis there is some pretty
interesting stuff at http://www.enterprisemission.com

In Part Two they get to the real meat.  It's enough to make me think that
it was indeed a missile launch gone bad.  But being a diehard skeptic,
Hoagland of course manages to argue himself out of that conclusion.  ;-)

Anyway, knowing that this is a site dedicated to conspiracy theories it's
still some pretty good sleuthing in which the factors I brought up in my
posts here about this are addressed.  These high altitude large rocket
launches can sometimes look rather bizarre.

I liked the horizon matching used to locate the actual place where the
most published picture was taken.
+McG+


From carl at mousetrap.com  Mon Jan  4 10:00:51 2010
From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:00:51 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace officers for 2010
Message-ID: <e068dfbd1001041000u1c409500ief5e26125ddc2233@mail.gmail.com>

The votes have been counted and the results are in. The Washington Aerospace
officers for 2010 are as follows:

President: Kent Newman
Secretary/Treasurer: Carl Hamilton
Ops Manager: Bryan Whitemarsh

I'd like to extend a special thanks to Mike Wyvel for serving as the club's
Ops Manager for the last few years.

 - Carl

From ds at pacificrocketry.com  Mon Jan  4 10:43:48 2010
From: ds at pacificrocketry.com (Denny Smith)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:43:48 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Washington Aerospace officers for 2010
In-Reply-To: <e068dfbd1001041000u1c409500ief5e26125ddc2233@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e068dfbd1001041000u1c409500ief5e26125ddc2233@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002f01ca8d6d$da6feb80$8f4fc280$@com>

Nice.  Thanks for volunteering your time, guys.


Denny

 

 

From: Carl Hamilton [mailto:carl at mousetrap.com] 
Sent: None
To: NorthWest Rocketry; WAC Members
Subject: [WAC-Members] Washington Aerospace officers for 2010

 

The votes have been counted and the results are in. The Washington Aerospace officers for 2010 are as follows:

 

President: Kent Newman

Secretary/Treasurer: Carl Hamilton

Ops Manager: Bryan Whitemarsh

 

I'd like to extend a special thanks to Mike Wyvel for serving as the club's Ops Manager for the last few years.

 

 - Carl

 


From t.j.doll at att.net  Mon Jan  4 21:52:47 2010
From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:52:47 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace officers
Message-ID: <010520100552.9078.4B42D3AE000E76FE0000237622230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>

>>Nice.  Thanks for volunteering your time, guys.
>>
>>Denny

Ditto!  

At least until I'm in a less demanding work situation, I have to depend on others to do the tough work of keeping the club working and putting on the launches.  I'm glad there are others that are willing to this tough work so that I can still have fun with rockets.

Standing invitation to all club officers - stop by my rig during the evening of FITS or other launch and the 'adult berverages' are on me :-).

Tim

From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Mon Jan  4 22:01:29 2010
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:01:29 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace officers
In-Reply-To: <010520100552.9078.4B42D3AE000E76FE0000237622230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>
References: <010520100552.9078.4B42D3AE000E76FE0000237622230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>
Message-ID: <4B42D5B9.1090709@hawkfeather.com>

Berverages? Maybe not ;)

Andrew.

t.j.doll at att.net wrote:
>>> Nice.  Thanks for volunteering your time, guys.
>>>
>>> Denny
> 
> Ditto!  
> 
> At least until I'm in a less demanding work situation, I have to depend on others to do the tough work of keeping the club working and putting on the launches.  I'm glad there are others that are willing to this tough work so that I can still have fun with rockets.
> 
> Standing invitation to all club officers - stop by my rig during the evening of FITS or other launch and the 'adult berverages' are on me :-).
> 
> Tim
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From appusher at q.com  Mon Jan  4 22:19:41 2010
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:19:41 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace officers
In-Reply-To: <4B42D5B9.1090709@hawkfeather.com>
References: <010520100552.9078.4B42D3AE000E76FE0000237622230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>,
	<4B42D5B9.1090709@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <BLU107-W26C3CACD6A3719B4F25897DC730@phx.gbl>


there's that slurring thing again........



 

 
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:01:29 -0800
> From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace officers
> 
> Berverages? Maybe not ;)
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> t.j.doll at att.net wrote:
> >>> Nice. Thanks for volunteering your time, guys.
> >>>
> >>> Denny
> > 
> > Ditto! 
> > 
> > At least until I'm in a less demanding work situation, I have to depend on others to do the tough work of keeping the club working and putting on the launches. I'm glad there are others that are willing to this tough work so that I can still have fun with rockets.
> > 
> > Standing invitation to all club officers - stop by my rig during the evening of FITS or other launch and the 'adult berverages' are on me :-).
> > 
> > Tim
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rockets mailing list
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> > 
> > 
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From t.j.doll at att.net  Thu Jan  7 20:55:04 2010
From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 04:55:04 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ejection Charge Solution?
Message-ID: <010820100455.29731.4B46BAA80001EED50000742322230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>

>Another technique for ejection charges I've read about is to use the new Quest 
>Q2G2 igniters. They are apparently very low current and also do not require a 
>LEUP. 
>
>Has anybody tried them?
>
>Gary Lech WA7GL

I planning just such a test with a PerfectFlite altimeter, as soon as the 4F I ordered shows up.  I also picked up some ejection canisters from Newton's 3rd, which are also advertised to be 'low current', so I'll be testing those as well.  I'll be sure to share the results

BTW, I'm getting more BP than I really need - if someone could use a pound or two let me know off line.

Tim

From kent.newman at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 21:26:14 2010
From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:26:14 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting - Saturday 1/9
Message-ID: <000a01ca9023$19714830$4c53d890$@newman@comcast.net>

A final reminder to all that this month's meeting will be held on Saturday,
January 9th, at Peace Lutheran Church in Puyallup, WA, at 7:00 PM.

 

Meeting topics include:

 

.        Announcement of Club and Prefecture Officers

.        New business

.        FITS discussion - initial plans/marketing status/responsibilities

.        Club brochure review

.        Upscale AT Mustang status - Kent Newman

.        A review of different reloadable motor systems

1.      Aerotech build

2.      Hybrid

3.      Kosdon/AMW build

4.      CTI build

5.      Bill Munds of PSP will present new motors/hardware from Aerotech

.        Motor building clinic 

1.      If you have a motor waiting to be built for this season, bring it
along with the hardware.

2.      If you have a cert flight coming up and need a motor, please contact
Bill or Dave at Puget Sound Propulsion.

.        Show and tell/general rocket banter

 

Regards,

 

Kent Newman

 


From sb at berfield.com  Thu Jan  7 21:42:57 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 05:42:57 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Use M650 in CTI case?
Message-ID: <W29306889137091262929377@webmail31>

Anyone know if an AT M650 (75mm) can be use din a CTI case, and if so, which one?


From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Thu Jan  7 22:16:04 2010
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 06:16:04 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Use M650 in CTI case?
In-Reply-To: <W29306889137091262929377@webmail31>
Message-ID: <C76C0DA4.4463%bradwr@wrightholdings.com>

No it can not.   Most 75 and 98 CTI loads can be used in RMS compatible HW
but the reverse is not true - AT loads can not be used in CTI HW.

b


On 1/7/10 9:42 PM, "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com> wrote:

> Anyone know if an AT M650 (75mm) can be use din a CTI case, and if so, which
> one?
> 
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From sb at berfield.com  Fri Jan  8 00:08:23 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:08:23 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Use M650 in CTI case?
In-Reply-To: <C76C0DA4.4463%bradwr@wrightholdings.com>
References: <W29306889137091262929377@webmail31>
	<C76C0DA4.4463%bradwr@wrightholdings.com>
Message-ID: <011e01ca9039$bfe45bb0$3fad1310$@com>

That's what I thought. Too bad. May have to hit one of you guys up for a
case loaner later this year :) Got a rocket that is hungry to break 20K.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Wright [mailto:bradwr at wrightholdings.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 10:16 PM
To: Scott Berfield; RocketsNW
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Use M650 in CTI case?

No it can not.   Most 75 and 98 CTI loads can be used in RMS compatible HW
but the reverse is not true - AT loads can not be used in CTI HW.

b


On 1/7/10 9:42 PM, "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com> wrote:

> Anyone know if an AT M650 (75mm) can be use din a CTI case, and if so,
which
> one?
> 
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From rwjcom at comcast.net  Fri Jan  8 08:15:36 2010
From: rwjcom at comcast.net (Bob Jimerson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:15:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Seasonal Rocket Video
Message-ID: <177663508.8724731262967336242.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



Found this seasonal rocket video on YouTube that is a little bit better than "cute", but well short of profound. 



The rocket featured in this video is powered by D motors - 32 of them.? Not a design that I've seen used at any of the launches that I have attended. 



If anyone?can find?a Rocksim file for this one I'd be interested in taking look at it.? I'm not sure just how to model the drag for the rocket in the video with the body tube and fin options I am familiar with in Rocksim.? 



The flexible fins are also an interesting idea.? The rocket becomes more streamlined as its velocity increased.? At appogee they re-extend and help slow the rocket's descent.? Interesting concept that almost seems organic in this execution. 



Click Here 





Best, 





Bob 




From rwjcom at comcast.net  Fri Jan  8 09:08:56 2010
From: rwjcom at comcast.net (Bob Jimerson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:08:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
In-Reply-To: <1859312857.8752011262970482964.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <736740964.8752381262970536070.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>




Here is a less fancy copy of the link to the video I mentioned in my earlier post. 



Thanks to Marty for letting me know the first try did not work so well. 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w 





Bob 

From glech at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 09:21:52 2010
From: glech at aol.com (Gary Lech)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:21:52 -0500
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
In-Reply-To: <736740964.8752381262970536070.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CC5E9E3438E23C-787C-4700@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com>


That was great! I got a huge laugh out of it. I'm glad to see they had their heads on straight keeping the fire extinguishers nearby.

Thanks for sharing. 





Cheers from ~ 
Gary Lech - WA7GL 



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Jimerson <rwjcom at comcast.net>
To: Rockets NW Mailing List <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 9:08 am
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video




ere is a less fancy copy of the link to the video I mentioned in my earlier 
ost. 

Thanks to Marty for letting me know the first try did not work so well. 


ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w 


Bob 


From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Fri Jan  8 10:26:07 2010
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:26:07 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] FW: APCP Vacated from the BATFE
	Explosives List
In-Reply-To: <26D7A545D6E2E5429D76747FE82E2EBF050EFD@BL2PRD0103MB034.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <26D7A545D6E2E5429D76747FE82E2EBF050EFD@BL2PRD0103MB034.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <4B4778BF.20407@hawkfeather.com>

That would be at:

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/2010-45.htm

Andrew.

Brad Wright wrote:
> fyi
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Good [mailto:ken.good at tripoli.org] 
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:33 AM
> To: TRA Prefects List
> Subject: [TRA-Prefects] APCP Vacated from the BATFE Explosives List
> 
> TRA Prefects:
>  
> The ATF has now published their new explosives list, which they are required to do annually.  APCP is vacated, and they also note that fact explcitily in in their opening summary.   
>  
> Refer to today's Federal Register, Vol 75, No, 5, page 1085.
>  
> Ken Good
> TRA President

From michael at garvais.net  Fri Jan  8 10:37:10 2010
From: michael at garvais.net (michael at garvais dot net)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:37:10 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
In-Reply-To: <8CC5E9E3438E23C-787C-4700@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC5E9E3438E23C-787C-4700@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <e68a5f5a0409eb92bd28daa3e5c9fe32@localhost>


Maybe this is something we could all do? Have an After-Christmas rocket
launch and tree flying event at 60 acres park next year? 

A tree on an H or I motor should fly about the same.  



On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:21:52 -0500, Gary Lech <glech at aol.com> wrote:
> That was great! I got a huge laugh out of it. I'm glad to see they had
> their heads on straight keeping the fire extinguishers nearby.
>
https://www.naveja.net/roundcube/?_task=mail&_action=show&_uid=21090&_mbox=INBOX#
> Thanks for sharing. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers from ~ 
> Gary Lech - WA7GL 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Jimerson <rwjcom at comcast.net>
> To: Rockets NW Mailing List <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 9:08 am
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ere is a less fancy copy of the link to the video I mentioned in my
earlier
> 
> ost. 
> 
> Thanks to Marty for letting me know the first try did not work so well. 
> 
> 
> ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w 
> 
> 
> Bob 
> 
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From glech at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 11:01:01 2010
From: glech at aol.com (Gary Lech)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:01:01 -0500
Subject: [RocketsNW] Pigeon Impossible
In-Reply-To: <5A63C9C433074FD6A5D27DB030704767@BradleyPC>
References: <5A63C9C433074FD6A5D27DB030704767@BradleyPC>
Message-ID: <8CC5EAC0DE6EC77-787C-6011@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com>


Here's another one for your launching enjoyment:


 


http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=jEjUAnPc2VA
 



From vonrang at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 11:07:00 2010
From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:07:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] FW: APCP Vacated from the BATFE
	Explosives List
In-Reply-To: <4B4778BF.20407@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <729950.43793.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I see this as real, well defined relief for amateur rocketry enthusiasts!
?
This is great news!

Sam Grado
TRA L2

"If you're going to build it, build it from scratch"!

sales at pvconly.com
http://www.pvconly.com
http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html
http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Andrew MacMillen <andrewm at hawkfeather.com> wrote:


From: Andrew MacMillen <andrewm at hawkfeather.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] FW: APCP Vacated from the BATFE Explosives List
To: "WAC Members" <members at washingtonaerospace.org>
Cc: "RocketsNW" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:26 PM


That would be at:

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/2010-45.htm

Andrew.

Brad Wright wrote:
> fyi
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Good [mailto:ken.good at tripoli.org] Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:33 AM
> To: TRA Prefects List
> Subject: [TRA-Prefects] APCP Vacated from the BATFE Explosives List
> 
> TRA Prefects:
>? The ATF has now published their new explosives list, which they are required to do annually.? APCP is vacated, and they also note that fact explcitily in in their opening summary.? ? Refer to today's Federal Register, Vol 75, No, 5, page 1085.
>? Ken Good
> TRA President
_______________________________________________
Rockets mailing list
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http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets



      

From sb at berfield.com  Fri Jan  8 12:29:09 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:29:09 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
In-Reply-To: <736740964.8752381262970536070.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1859312857.8752011262970482964.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<736740964.8752381262970536070.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004401ca90a1$3bcaa0b0$b35fe210$@com>

I wonder what the drag is on that baby.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Bob Jimerson
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:09 AM
To: Rockets NW Mailing List
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video




Here is a less fancy copy of the link to the video I mentioned in my earlier
post. 



Thanks to Marty for letting me know the first try did not work so well. 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w 





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From guentherchristopher at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 15:28:11 2010
From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:28:11 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
In-Reply-To: <e68a5f5a0409eb92bd28daa3e5c9fe32@localhost>
References: <8CC5E9E3438E23C-787C-4700@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com>
	<e68a5f5a0409eb92bd28daa3e5c9fe32@localhost>
Message-ID: <e83b26701001081528x2d27ec7cn45790525709c1625@mail.gmail.com>

I would do a triple cluster of 54mm K motors on my tree.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:37 AM, michael at garvais dot net <
michael at garvais.net> wrote:

>
> Maybe this is something we could all do? Have an After-Christmas rocket
> launch and tree flying event at 60 acres park next year?
>
> A tree on an H or I motor should fly about the same.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:21:52 -0500, Gary Lech <glech at aol.com> wrote:
> > That was great! I got a huge laugh out of it. I'm glad to see they had
> > their heads on straight keeping the fire extinguishers nearby.
> >
>
> https://www.naveja.net/roundcube/?_task=mail&_action=show&_uid=21090&_mbox=INBOX#
> > Thanks for sharing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers from ~
> > Gary Lech - WA7GL
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Jimerson <rwjcom at comcast.net>
> > To: Rockets NW Mailing List <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> > Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 9:08 am
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ere is a less fancy copy of the link to the video I mentioned in my
> earlier
> >
> > ost.
> >
> > Thanks to Marty for letting me know the first try did not work so well.
> >
> >
> > ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 16:17:01 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:17:01 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
References: <8CC5E9E3438E23C-787C-4700@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com><e68a5f5a0409eb92bd28daa3e5c9fe32@localhost>
	<e83b26701001081528x2d27ec7cn45790525709c1625@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03B324184FF4406797953AD061ED1B71@LaptopKrausert>

Cost of motor per tree cost ratio applies for me. So what does a Christmas 
tree cost? Lets say $30. Hitting it with a step-stool from the bathroom and 
24 D motors is close to 1:1. But (3) K motors, cases $150 each and reloads 
at $100+ each, that would be 25:1 or higher. I'll save my big motors. 
Currently only costs me $10 for the Scout troop to pick up our used tree 
from the front yard after the holidays.

No, I'm not bah-hum-bug. The video was cool. My snowball Sputnik was great 
to watch and only used a D12, three planting sticks, chunk of aluminum foils 
and a snowball. Now that was cool, and deployment was the destroying of the 
snowball. Cost was roughly $4.

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Guenther" <guentherchristopher at gmail.com>
To: "michael at garvais dot net" <michael at garvais.net>
Cc: <Rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video


>I would do a triple cluster of 54mm K motors on my tree.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:37 AM, michael at garvais dot net <
> michael at garvais.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Maybe this is something we could all do? Have an After-Christmas rocket
>> launch and tree flying event at 60 acres park next year?
>>
>> A tree on an H or I motor should fly about the same.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:21:52 -0500, Gary Lech <glech at aol.com> wrote:
>> > That was great! I got a huge laugh out of it. I'm glad to see they had
>> > their heads on straight keeping the fire extinguishers nearby.
>> >
>>
>> https://www.naveja.net/roundcube/?_task=mail&_action=show&_uid=21090&_mbox=INBOX#
>> > Thanks for sharing.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers from ~
>> > Gary Lech - WA7GL
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Bob Jimerson <rwjcom at comcast.net>
>> > To: Rockets NW Mailing List <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> > Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 9:08 am
>> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ere is a less fancy copy of the link to the video I mentioned in my
>> earlier
>> >
>> > ost.
>> >
>> > Thanks to Marty for letting me know the first try did not work so well.
>> >
>> >
>> > ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w
>> >
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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From sb at berfield.com  Fri Jan  8 16:24:03 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:24:03 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
In-Reply-To: <03B324184FF4406797953AD061ED1B71@LaptopKrausert>
References: <8CC5E9E3438E23C-787C-4700@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com><e68a5f5a0409eb92bd28daa3e5c9fe32@localhost>	<e83b26701001081528x2d27ec7cn45790525709c1625@mail.gmail.com>
	<03B324184FF4406797953AD061ED1B71@LaptopKrausert>
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Our neighborhood just does a tree bonfire party every year. Amazing how hot
they burn. And it's free.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:17 PM
To: Christopher Guenther; michael at garvais dot net
Cc: Rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video

Cost of motor per tree cost ratio applies for me. So what does a Christmas 
tree cost? Lets say $30. Hitting it with a step-stool from the bathroom and 
24 D motors is close to 1:1. But (3) K motors, cases $150 each and reloads 
at $100+ each, that would be 25:1 or higher. I'll save my big motors. 
Currently only costs me $10 for the Scout troop to pick up our used tree 
from the front yard after the holidays.

No, I'm not bah-hum-bug. The video was cool. My snowball Sputnik was great 
to watch and only used a D12, three planting sticks, chunk of aluminum foils

and a snowball. Now that was cool, and deployment was the destroying of the 
snowball. Cost was roughly $4.

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Guenther" <guentherchristopher at gmail.com>
To: "michael at garvais dot net" <michael at garvais.net>
Cc: <Rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video


>I would do a triple cluster of 54mm K motors on my tree.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:37 AM, michael at garvais dot net <
> michael at garvais.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Maybe this is something we could all do? Have an After-Christmas rocket
>> launch and tree flying event at 60 acres park next year?
>>
>> A tree on an H or I motor should fly about the same.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:21:52 -0500, Gary Lech <glech at aol.com> wrote:
>> > That was great! I got a huge laugh out of it. I'm glad to see they had
>> > their heads on straight keeping the fire extinguishers nearby.
>> >
>>
>>
https://www.naveja.net/roundcube/?_task=mail&_action=show&_uid=21090&_mbox=I
NBOX#
>> > Thanks for sharing.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers from ~
>> > Gary Lech - WA7GL
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Bob Jimerson <rwjcom at comcast.net>
>> > To: Rockets NW Mailing List <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> > Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 9:08 am
>> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ere is a less fancy copy of the link to the video I mentioned in my
>> earlier
>> >
>> > ost.
>> >
>> > Thanks to Marty for letting me know the first try did not work so well.
>> >
>> >
>> > ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w
>> >
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Rockets mailing list
>> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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From appusher at q.com  Fri Jan  8 16:48:07 2010
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 00:48:07 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] FW: APCP Vacated from the BATFE
	Explosives List
In-Reply-To: <012701ca90be$cc404330$64c0c990$@net>
References: <26D7A545D6E2E5429D76747FE82E2EBF050EFD@BL2PRD0103MB034.prod.exchangelabs.com>,
	<4B4778BF.20407@hawkfeather.com>,
	<012701ca90be$cc404330$64c0c990$@net>
Message-ID: <BLU107-W29B7570D91841D627F89EADC6F0@phx.gbl>


sshhhhhh!  they are ignoring us for now.









 EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
Join me
 
> From: aaronlyonsnwski at comcast.net
> To: andrewm at hawkfeather.com; members at washingtonaerospace.org
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:00:46 -0800
> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [WAC-Members] FW: APCP Vacated from the BATFE Explosives List
> 
> About bloody time :P
> 
> Now that ATF says an "explosive" what does Washington law say though?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org
> [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Andrew
> MacMillen
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:26 AM
> To: WAC Members
> Cc: RocketsNW
> Subject: Re: [WAC-Members] FW: APCP Vacated from the BATFE Explosives List
> 
> That would be at:
> 
> http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/2010-45.htm
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> Brad Wright wrote:
> > fyi
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Good [mailto:ken.good at tripoli.org] 
> > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:33 AM
> > To: TRA Prefects List
> > Subject: [TRA-Prefects] APCP Vacated from the BATFE Explosives List
> > 
> > TRA Prefects:
> > 
> > The ATF has now published their new explosives list, which they are
> required to do annually. APCP is vacated, and they also note that fact
> explcitily in in their opening summary. 
> > 
> > Refer to today's Federal Register, Vol 75, No, 5, page 1085.
> > 
> > Ken Good
> > TRA President
> 
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From kmohror at comcast.net  Fri Jan  8 17:48:33 2010
From: kmohror at comcast.net (Kirk Mohror)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:48:33 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
In-Reply-To: <736740964.8752381262970536070.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1859312857.8752011262970482964.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <002901ca90cd$db084c50$9118e4f0$@net>

That's one of the best rocket launches I have seen in some time!

Kirk Mohror

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Bob Jimerson
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:09 AM
To: Rockets NW Mailing List
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video




Here is a less fancy copy of the link to the video I mentioned in my earlier
post. 



Thanks to Marty for letting me know the first try did not work so well. 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w 





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From bar0051 at homenetnw.net  Fri Jan  8 18:06:23 2010
From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net (Bryon Schopp)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:06:23 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ejection Charge Solution?
References: <010820100455.29731.4B46BAA80001EED50000742322230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>
Message-ID: <A7672690801F485A972B1501C5F9DCAB@MEDIONDeskTop>

I have tried 1 Q2G2 in a ground test with my PerfectFlite MAWD.  It worked 
just fine, but I would like to hear the results of any other tests that have 
been done.  I need to get more Q2G2's and try them in parallel with X-mas 
tree bulbs.

Bryon Schopp

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <t.j.doll at att.net>
To: "Rocket Lost" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ejection Charge Solution?


> >Another technique for ejection charges I've read about is to use the new 
> >Quest
>>Q2G2 igniters. They are apparently very low current and also do not 
>>require a
>>LEUP.
>>
>>Has anybody tried them?
>>
>>Gary Lech WA7GL
>
> I planning just such a test with a PerfectFlite altimeter, as soon as the 
> 4F I ordered shows up.  I also picked up some ejection canisters from 
> Newton's 3rd, which are also advertised to be 'low current', so I'll be 
> testing those as well.  I'll be sure to share the results
>
> BTW, I'm getting more BP than I really need - if someone could use a pound 
> or two let me know off line.
>
> Tim
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From sb at berfield.com  Fri Jan  8 18:30:44 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:30:44 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ejection Charge Solution?
In-Reply-To: <A7672690801F485A972B1501C5F9DCAB@MEDIONDeskTop>
References: <010820100455.29731.4B46BAA80001EED50000742322230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>
	<A7672690801F485A972B1501C5F9DCAB@MEDIONDeskTop>
Message-ID: <00cd01ca90d3$bf097e10$3d1c7a30$@com>

They look pretty much like regular e-matches to me. I am not sure how they
would be LEUP exempt. Not terribly hard to make low-current e-matches -
especially if all you want is to light BP. The chips work pretty well, and
it is no biggie to do one out of some fine nichrome and a hunk of twin lead
solid core. 

Also, today I joined the ranks of those of us letting our LEUPs lapse. 

-sb

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:06 PM
To: t.j.doll at att.net; Rocket Lost
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ejection Charge Solution?

I have tried 1 Q2G2 in a ground test with my PerfectFlite MAWD.  It worked 
just fine, but I would like to hear the results of any other tests that have

been done.  I need to get more Q2G2's and try them in parallel with X-mas 
tree bulbs.

Bryon Schopp

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <t.j.doll at att.net>
To: "Rocket Lost" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ejection Charge Solution?


> >Another technique for ejection charges I've read about is to use the new 
> >Quest
>>Q2G2 igniters. They are apparently very low current and also do not 
>>require a
>>LEUP.
>>
>>Has anybody tried them?
>>
>>Gary Lech WA7GL
>
> I planning just such a test with a PerfectFlite altimeter, as soon as the 
> 4F I ordered shows up.  I also picked up some ejection canisters from 
> Newton's 3rd, which are also advertised to be 'low current', so I'll be 
> testing those as well.  I'll be sure to share the results
>
> BTW, I'm getting more BP than I really need - if someone could use a pound

> or two let me know off line.
>
> Tim
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From MartyWeiser at comcast.net  Fri Jan  8 20:03:22 2010
From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty Weiser)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:03:22 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
In-Reply-To: <736740964.8752381262970536070.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1859312857.8752011262970482964.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<736740964.8752381262970536070.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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I just saw that this was done here in Spokane.  Launch was just west of
town.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/jan/08/spokane-brothers-christmas-tree
-rocket-proves-yout/


-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Bob Jimerson
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:09 AM
To: Rockets NW Mailing List
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video




Here is a less fancy copy of the link to the video I mentioned in my earlier
post. 



Thanks to Marty for letting me know the first try did not work so well. 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w 





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From t.j.doll at att.net  Fri Jan  8 20:19:21 2010
From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 04:19:21 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ejection Charge Solution?
In-Reply-To: <00cd01ca90d3$bf097e10$3d1c7a30$@com>
References: <010820100455.29731.4B46BAA80001EED50000742322230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>
	<A7672690801F485A972B1501C5F9DCAB@MEDIONDeskTop>
	<00cd01ca90d3$bf097e10$3d1c7a30$@com>
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Just guessing here, but I suspect LEUP exempt (or not) is related to the chemical composition of the pyrogen they use.

Remember, the Q2G2 igniter is designed to light a black powder motor, although they are alleged to work quite well for small AP motors.  My own experience is limited - one attempt to light a stubborn 24mm RMS (that had failed to light with two different Copperheads) - but it did work first try.

Tim
>They look pretty much like regular e-matches to me. I am not sure how they 
> would be LEUP exempt. Not terribly hard to make low-current e-matches - 
> especially if all you want is to light BP. The chips work pretty well, and 
> it is no biggie to do one out of some fine nichrome and a hunk of twin lead 
> solid core. 
> 
> On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp 
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:06 PM 
> To: t.j.doll at att.net; Rocket Lost 
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ejection Charge Solution? 
> 
> I have tried 1 Q2G2 in a ground test with my PerfectFlite MAWD. It worked 
> just fine, but I would like to hear the results of any other tests that have 
> been done. I need to get more Q2G2's and try them in parallel with X-mas 
> tree bulbs. 
> 
> Bryon Schopp 

From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Sat Jan  9 02:50:26 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 02:50:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
In-Reply-To: <00ba01ca90e0$b0357d50$10a077f0$@net>
References: <1859312857.8752011262970482964.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<736740964.8752381262970536070.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<00ba01ca90e0$b0357d50$10a077f0$@net>
Message-ID: <ad4331b7fa8ca97ee39ed9cc8116f5d9.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

There's a guy just up the hill from me who has acres of more
aerodynamically shaped Christmas trees.  Nice gapless sheath of needles,
excellent symmetry.

CG can easily be measured.  Cd you can estimate by dropping the tree from
a high bridge.  (But how does Cd vary with speed?  There's a good NARAM
research project!)  Calculating CP however would be a real bear...  LOL

I think this falls under the same category as saucers for recovery.

Gotta go watch it on my brother-in-law's DSL connection.
+McG+


> I just saw that this was done here in Spokane.  Launch was just west of
> town.
>
> http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/jan/08/spokane-brothers-christmas-tree
> -rocket-proves-yout/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Bob Jimerson
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:09 AM
> To: Rockets NW Mailing List
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
>
>
>
>
> Here is a less fancy copy of the link to the video I mentioned in my
> earlier
> post.
>
>
>
> Thanks to Marty for letting me know the first try did not work so well.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Sat Jan  9 04:10:40 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 04:10:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
In-Reply-To: <00ba01ca90e0$b0357d50$10a077f0$@net>
References: <1859312857.8752011262970482964.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<736740964.8752381262970536070.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<00ba01ca90e0$b0357d50$10a077f0$@net>
Message-ID: <af1418d8b6588a6f5eb3d5f4c9de2eaa.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

Apparently there are millions of papers written on the subject of trees
and wind with the overall conclusion, "It all depends."  Heh.

Here's a few:
http://www.amjbot.org/cgi/reprint/94/10/1603.pdf

http://treephys.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/28/1/75.pdf

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Pz1GjVJWtgwJ:joa.isa-arbor.com/request.asp%3FJournalID%3D1%26ArticleID%3D185%26Type%3D2+fir+tree+limbs+needles+mathematical+model+%22wind+loading%22&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjtSJwJGN_jLq31V3onur0XdIVoaWa2WTbYnFGs87m4rmJ1pPR0nXubA4kJYcF-6z64NTKZ0FqzC9parH7GGAaDuF_i9rvY57foTOZQRiwCV2i7lQn9FlqJ8MeeDbNmqQlKv-P8&sig=AHIEtbRF79QCY7cyjXmBuQMJyrPBHaRbrw

This last one(good luck copying and pasting all that!) concludes wind
force should be assumed to be proportional to the square of wind velocity
for most hazard assessments.  Which means, when launching trees, don't
sweat the details--just take a good old fashioned rocketeer SWAG.  :)

The real trick to launching Christmas trees as I see it is to launch the
tree high enough to get all the dry needles to burn up before it hits the
ground, and then get the heck outta Dodge before the cops show
up.......hmmm, that sounds a lot like a good plan for New Year's Eve!

Look!  Fireworks!  It's a comet!  No, it's a tree...

Gotta go now.  The firemen are coming to drag me away and beat me with a
fire hose.

+McG+


> I just saw that this was done here in Spokane.  Launch was just west of
> town.
>
> http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/jan/08/spokane-brothers-christmas-tree
> -rocket-proves-yout/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Bob Jimerson
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:09 AM
> To: Rockets NW Mailing List
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Link for Holiday Rocket Video
>
>
>
>
> Here is a less fancy copy of the link to the video I mentioned in my
> earlier
> post.
>
>
>
> Thanks to Marty for letting me know the first try did not work so well.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob
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From jhadv at pacifier.com  Sat Jan  9 13:39:06 2010
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:39:06 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1263067202.5471.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20100109133440.032eae00@mail.iinet.com>

At 12:00 PM 1/9/2010 -0800, you wrote:
>Just guessing here, but I suspect LEUP exempt (or not) is related to the 
>chemical composition of the pyrogen they use.


Just dissolve safety match heads in acetone and use that.  The dissolved 
solid should be exempt until applied to the bridge-wire whereupon it 
becomes regulated as an igniter.  Any bridge-wire coated with a reactive 
pyrogen is a regulated igniter as are exploding bridge-wires.  So do your 
leads at home when you arrive at the launch apply the dab of dissolved 
solid, let dry for an hour, coat with NC lacquer and only make as many as 
you need.



From mfreptiles at aol.com  Sat Jan  9 17:33:43 2010
From: mfreptiles at aol.com (mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:33:43 EST
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 8
Message-ID: <1687e.2c32c48d.387a8877@aol.com>

Careful though, you might be busted for making a constituent to  produce 
meth.  :)  
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 1/9/2010 1:41:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jhadv at pacifier.com writes:

Just  dissolve safety match heads in acetone and use that.  

From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Sat Jan  9 23:20:50 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 23:20:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20100109133440.032eae00@mail.iinet.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20100109133440.032eae00@mail.iinet.com>
Message-ID: <63baaf7b2e695675628332f8c9561f47.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

I don't think anybody actually knows how ATF defines a regulated igniter,
except of course for "Because we said so."

But as pointed out, it's easy enough to circumvent by any of 1.7 x 10^79
ways.
+McG+


> At 12:00 PM 1/9/2010 -0800, you wrote:
>>Just guessing here, but I suspect LEUP exempt (or not) is related to the
>>chemical composition of the pyrogen they use.
>
>
> Just dissolve safety match heads in acetone and use that.  The dissolved
> solid should be exempt until applied to the bridge-wire whereupon it
> becomes regulated as an igniter.  Any bridge-wire coated with a reactive
> pyrogen is a regulated igniter as are exploding bridge-wires.  So do your
> leads at home when you arrive at the launch apply the dab of dissolved
> solid, let dry for an hour, coat with NC lacquer and only make as many as
> you need.
>
>
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From mattjones1961 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 08:24:39 2010
From: mattjones1961 at gmail.com (Matt Jones)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:24:39 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Poster time for OROC
Message-ID: <4B49FF47.8090807@gmail.com>

Since we got the schedule done early this year, I like to get started on 
the OROC poster.

If you have a good picture from an OROC launch that would make a good 
poster, please email it to me.

It should be fairly high res, so it can be blown up to 8?x11 (portrait). 
The subject could be a launch, people with rockets, a scene around the 
launch or anything that would represent the sport.

Thanks
   -=Matt Jones=-


From Mfreptiles at aol.com  Sun Jan 10 08:55:09 2010
From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:55:09 EST
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 8
Message-ID: <d0e.6146c23f.387b606d@aol.com>

And that is the crux of it.  Igniters are listed, yet Estes can be  sold in 
department stores, and the new Quest igniter is actually a low current  
e-match, also sold over the counter.  Inconsistent enough that if a  rocketeer 
was ever charged with an infraction any judge worth his salt would  throw it 
out.  My opinion, take it for what it is worth; unless you use an  igniter 
or e-match in commission of a crime, they are not going to waste their  time 
for rocketry usage.  But CYA to whatever level you feel  comfortable with.
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 1/9/2010 11:21:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com writes:

I don't  think anybody actually knows how ATF defines a regulated igniter,
except of  course for "Because we said  so."



From jhadv at pacifier.com  Mon Jan 11 18:32:29 2010
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:32:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] THE OROC WEBSITE
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1697.1263003337.2047.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
References: <mailman.1697.1263003337.2047.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <6387.76.115.45.22.1263263549.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>

I know I am behind the times but just went and looked over the OROC
web-site.  It looks good and functions well.  Only one small suggestion. 
Under the description of the launch sites for the Brothers site I think it
would be helpful if we listed the pad altitude.

Paul Bogdanich


From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 18:34:09 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:34:09 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] [ot] Re: rocket items your club may be interested in
References: <35fa1ce01001111243h248a98fdu17d513e9920cf21@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5CA0FBB32106431699091B3F414B7E74@LaptopKrausert>

Hello,
Passing along the information. Removed image, too large for the listserv. 

If you're interested in anything, please contact John directly.

Cheers,
Robert
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Eric Thompson 
  To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:43 PM
  Subject: rocket items your club may be interested in


  I recently moved to the area due to work, but have not had time to get back into the hobby.

  I have several items that your fellow club members may be interested in:

  I have in mint condition the hardbound book of Peter Always "Rockets of the World" 4th edition for sale. Anyone who is a rocket enthusiast would love to add this to their library. Its in mint condition. Asking price is $30.00 (this covers shipping and insurance, tracking if requested)

  I still have the other items for sale, to include an unfinished 3 inch diameter rocket that has an Aeropack 3inch to 38mm boat tail already added to its body and three 1/4 plywood fins. It has the components for an electronic payload in the upper section. Anyone interested in pics and more details let me know.

  http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x-tACnZ7vX.../RMS+Items.jpgI have one 38mm reload Hardware that has never been used. It is for the I 161 reload motor types. they Also have Redline motors for this casing now. This includes the forward and Aft closure. The color of it is Blue. The price I am asking for this item is $90.00

  I also have 29mm, 24mm and I think two 18mm reload hardware items. 

  Okay. I did an inventory and took a picture of the items as well.

  As for the small reload items here is what I have:

  Two 18mm RMS cases with fwd and aft closures for both

  Three 24 mm RMS cases with fwd and aft closures for each one. One is the classic Aerotech hardware and the other two are the Blue Rouse Tech cases with closures

  One 24mm plugged case intended for the R/C Rocket Gliders. It has an aft closure.

  Three 29 mm RMS cases with closures for each one, then I have one extra 29mm case without closures

  One 29mm 60ns case and one 29mm 100ns case, with one set of closures.

  If you have an e-mail address I can send a picture of the items.

  The 18mm systems are: $30.00 a piece

  The 24mm systems are: $40.00 a piece

  The 29mm Systems are $60.00 a piece

  The 29mm case is: $20.00

  The 29mm 100ns case is: $20.00

  The 29mm 60ns case with closures is: $50.00 

  I also have a lot of guide rail buttons, some are of the hard plastic and some are aluminum. And I have other other rockets odds and ends for available if interested.

  There is not any extra fees for shipping. 

  PS: Negotiations are possible if you contact me:-)



  -- 
  J. E. Thompson

From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 18:46:15 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:46:15 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] THE OROC WEBSITE
References: <mailman.1697.1263003337.2047.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
	<6387.76.115.45.22.1263263549.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
Message-ID: <EDA89BCACC5E4BEE9ADBAE628FD8B07E@LaptopKrausert>

Hey Paul,
Thank you. Are these pages better?
http://www.oregonrocketry.com/?page_id=78
http://www.oregonrocketry.com/?page_id=200

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jhadv at pacifier.com>
To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 6:32 PM
Subject: [RocketsNW] THE OROC WEBSITE


>I know I am behind the times but just went and looked over the OROC
> web-site.  It looks good and functions well.  Only one small suggestion.
> Under the description of the launch sites for the Brothers site I think it
> would be helpful if we listed the pad altitude.
>
> Paul Bogdanich
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 19:38:18 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:38:18 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Amazing number of events
Message-ID: <19C5A3510CC04FF18B3EF2C18D8ECF3F@LaptopKrausert>

http://rocketsnw.com/?page_id=17

The NWR website is nearly complete logging all the launch events in the Pacific Northwest in 2010. With the new site and having them all together is cool to see how many there are. 

WAC, still need your Waiver limits for each event.

Also still seeking the 60 acres launch schedule for the year.

Creating the calendar is a lot of work. But well worth it if it helps bring the public and newbies to launches.

Cheers,
Robert

From guentherchristopher at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 13:52:12 2010
From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:52:12 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Amazing number of events
In-Reply-To: <19C5A3510CC04FF18B3EF2C18D8ECF3F@LaptopKrausert>
References: <19C5A3510CC04FF18B3EF2C18D8ECF3F@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <e83b26701001121352g54ce8c29p20fec522c5a5d9e3@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to see the names of the events in the calendar along with all
the info that is already there.  That way if I am looking for FITS it is
easy to find or Rocketober for that matter.  It would help those that know
the name of the event but have no Idea when or where it may be (newbie
feature).

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Robert Krausert
<lawndart.robert at gmail.com>wrote:

> http://rocketsnw.com/?page_id=17
>
> The NWR website is nearly complete logging all the launch events in the
> Pacific Northwest in 2010. With the new site and having them all together is
> cool to see how many there are.
>
> WAC, still need your Waiver limits for each event.
>
> Also still seeking the 60 acres launch schedule for the year.
>
> Creating the calendar is a lot of work. But well worth it if it helps bring
> the public and newbies to launches.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 18:01:03 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:01:03 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Amazing number of events
References: <19C5A3510CC04FF18B3EF2C18D8ECF3F@LaptopKrausert>
	<e83b26701001121352g54ce8c29p20fec522c5a5d9e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3618D6B6DEF34EBA81E607FF0018EDBF@LaptopKrausert>

Fixed. Launch names added. Enjoy.

But do remembers visitors to this site likely have no clue what event names are. Some might, so I added under the location.

Cheers,
Robert
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Christopher Guenther 
  To: Robert Krausert 
  Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com ; members at oregonrocketry.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Amazing number of events


  I would like to see the names of the events in the calendar along with all the info that is already there.  That way if I am looking for FITS it is easy to find or Rocketober for that matter.  It would help those that know the name of the event but have no Idea when or where it may be (newbie feature).


  On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Robert Krausert <lawndart.robert at gmail.com> wrote:

    http://rocketsnw.com/?page_id=17

    The NWR website is nearly complete logging all the launch events in the Pacific Northwest in 2010. With the new site and having them all together is cool to see how many there are.

    WAC, still need your Waiver limits for each event.

    Also still seeking the 60 acres launch schedule for the year.

    Creating the calendar is a lot of work. But well worth it if it helps bring the public and newbies to launches.

    Cheers,
    Robert
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From sutchek at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 12 20:11:04 2010
From: sutchek at sbcglobal.net (The Sutchek's)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:11:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Still have your Christmas tree ?
Message-ID: <29587.22333.qm@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thought some might like this video ....
?
?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/11/christmas-tree-rocket-vid_n_419104.html
?
?
?
-Paul

From rnech at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 08:07:45 2010
From: rnech at yahoo.com (Robert Nech)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:07:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Low-cost fabbed 3-axis mill
Message-ID: <525657.10627.qm@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Low-cost fabbed 3-axis millhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELijl7mhOus


      

From rnech at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 08:27:36 2010
From: rnech at yahoo.com (Robert Nech)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:27:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA photographs 'trees' on Mars
Message-ID: <864552.42439.qm@web111405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6979855/Nasa-photographs-trees-on-Mars.html

But then other people seem to think there are lakes on Mars, too.http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2000/002/first-water.htm
Or even other giant plants and forests!http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2001/019/colossal-trees.htmhttp://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2009/168/forest-life-12.htm
It's all illusions.


      

From angelawr at wrightholdings.com  Wed Jan 13 16:56:49 2010
From: angelawr at wrightholdings.com (Angela "Red" Wright)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:56:49 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA photographs 'trees' on Mars
In-Reply-To: <864552.42439.qm@web111405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <864552.42439.qm@web111405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3E98A03ED20E984BAFAFF0A4891CDC2C3FF8C278@BL2PRD0103MB035.prod.exchangelabs.com>

I love NASA.  I just wanted to say that. :)

Angela Dinese Wright 
425-443-5049
Angelawr at wrightholdings.com


-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Nech
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:28 AM
To: NW Rocketry
Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA photographs 'trees' on Mars

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6979855/Nasa-photographs-trees-on-Mars.html

But then other people seem to think there are lakes on Mars, too.http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2000/002/first-water.htm
Or even other giant plants and forests!http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2001/019/colossal-trees.htmhttp://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2009/168/forest-life-12.htm
It's all illusions.


      
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From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Fri Jan 15 14:37:15 2010
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:37:15 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
Message-ID: <4B50EE1B.3090303@hawkfeather.com>

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9574776

Andrew.

From carl20320 at msn.com  Fri Jan 15 14:45:08 2010
From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:45:08 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
In-Reply-To: <4B50EE1B.3090303@hawkfeather.com>
References: <4B50EE1B.3090303@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <COL120-W255617CF36A3B5D777EEA5EA690@phx.gbl>


Evergreen Aviation down in McMinnville has already built the building in hopes of getting one.
 
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:37:15 -0800
> From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
> 
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9574776
> 
> Andrew.
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From mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 19:14:36 2010
From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net (mikeandkimwyvel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:14:36 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
In-Reply-To: <COL120-W255617CF36A3B5D777EEA5EA690@phx.gbl>
References: <4B50EE1B.3090303@hawkfeather.com>
	<COL120-W255617CF36A3B5D777EEA5EA690@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <010401ca965a$09190c60$1b4b2520$@net>

And did you see, the SSME's are free!

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Carl Degner
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:45 PM
To: Rockets NW list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?


Evergreen Aviation down in McMinnville has already built the building in
hopes of getting one.
 
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:37:15 -0800
> From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
> 
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9574776
> 
> Andrew.
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From raystoner99 at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 20:18:22 2010
From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:18:22 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
In-Reply-To: <010401ca965a$09190c60$1b4b2520$@net>
References: <4B50EE1B.3090303@hawkfeather.com>	<COL120-W255617CF36A3B5D777EEA5EA690@phx.gbl>
	<010401ca965a$09190c60$1b4b2520$@net>
Message-ID: <000301ca9662$f2e62190$d8b264b0$@net>

Just pay shipping and handling...but wait there's more!

Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of mikeandkimwyvel
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:15 PM
To: 'Carl Degner'; 'Rockets NW list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?

And did you see, the SSME's are free!

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Carl Degner
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:45 PM
To: Rockets NW list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?


Evergreen Aviation down in McMinnville has already built the building in
hopes of getting one.
 
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:37:15 -0800
> From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
> 
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9574776
> 
> Andrew.
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 20:38:19 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:38:19 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W. Raymond Stoner" <raystoner99 at comcast.net>
To: "'Rockets NW list'" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?


> Just pay shipping and handling...but wait there's more!
>
> Ray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of mikeandkimwyvel
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:15 PM
> To: 'Carl Degner'; 'Rockets NW list'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
>
> And did you see, the SSME's are free!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Carl Degner
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:45 PM
> To: Rockets NW list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
>
>
> Evergreen Aviation down in McMinnville has already built the building in
> hopes of getting one.
>
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:37:15 -0800
>> From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com
>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9574776
>>
>> Andrew.
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Fri Jan 15 22:32:39 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:32:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
In-Reply-To: <010401ca965a$09190c60$1b4b2520$@net>
References: <4B50EE1B.3090303@hawkfeather.com>
	<COL120-W255617CF36A3B5D777EEA5EA690@phx.gbl>
	<010401ca965a$09190c60$1b4b2520$@net>
Message-ID: <0aac40fb59c8349d40b6e31ca390ba2d.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

Yeah, those SSME's are huge!  I wonder what the shipping and handling
would be?  I know they don't leak: One of those propped up out back would
make a nice new woodshed...   (Yes, I'm being sarcastic!)

But I can't imagine any serious rocketeer with a good bank account and
back yard who wouldn't want one!  Azinger is probably already on the
phone....  ;-)
+McG+


> And did you see, the SSME's are free!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Carl Degner
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:45 PM
> To: Rockets NW list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
>
>
> Evergreen Aviation down in McMinnville has already built the building in
> hopes of getting one.
>
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:37:15 -0800
>> From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com
>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9574776
>>
>> Andrew.
>> _______________________________________________
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From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 22:40:05 2010
From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:40:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
In-Reply-To: <COL120-W255617CF36A3B5D777EEA5EA690@phx.gbl>
References: <4B50EE1B.3090303@hawkfeather.com>
	<COL120-W255617CF36A3B5D777EEA5EA690@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <867558.35490.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Mr. Smith will end up getting one. You can bet on that. I'm sure he'll jump on some of the other stuff just for the heck of it too. That is the way that place is. His parts yard is fun to look at. Through the fence of course. :o)

John Hornsby




________________________________
From: Carl Degner <carl20320 at msn.com>
To: Rockets NW list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 2:45:08 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?


Evergreen Aviation down in McMinnville has already built the building in hopes of getting one.

> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:37:15 -0800
> From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Anybody want a cheap rocket or free engine?
> 
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9574776
> 
> Andrew.
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From t.j.doll at att.net  Sat Jan 16 20:46:29 2010
From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 04:46:29 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Joining Tripoli
Message-ID: <011720100446.23799.4B5296250004091000005CF722230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>

A long time member of NAR (orginally dating back to the 1960's), after LDRS I decided I should join Tripoli as well.
So I went to the Tripoli web site - and the membership form was, ah, lacking.....  
Little more than name and address.  The link for joining via Paypal was even less, apparently nothing more than my Paypal registered address!

I was expecting a little more.  I'm Level 2 NAR, and I understand that will transfer to Tripoli - but how do I let them know?  Am I missing something, or does this all get worked out after I've joined?  Should I just join and worry about the details later?

TIA

Tim Doll
NAR 18340

From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 21:04:33 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:04:33 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Joining Tripoli
References: <011720100446.23799.4B5296250004091000005CF722230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>
Message-ID: <44F5278A49DB45D38BBF5B0B0826E23A@LaptopKrausert>

Xerox a copy of  your NAR certification and snail mail to TRA. They'll 
adjust according. If you need a new card, then once you see your number in 
the correct cert check list on TRA, email them for a new card.

Onlin you can only join TRA as a new member or existing member. If you hold 
NAR or CAR certs, you have to handle them later.
Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <t.j.doll at att.net>
To: "Rocket Lost" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:46 PM
Subject: [RocketsNW] Joining Tripoli


>A long time member of NAR (orginally dating back to the 1960's), after LDRS 
>I decided I should join Tripoli as well.
> So I went to the Tripoli web site - and the membership form was, ah, 
> lacking.....
> Little more than name and address.  The link for joining via Paypal was 
> even less, apparently nothing more than my Paypal registered address!
>
> I was expecting a little more.  I'm Level 2 NAR, and I understand that 
> will transfer to Tripoli - but how do I let them know?  Am I missing 
> something, or does this all get worked out after I've joined?  Should I 
> just join and worry about the details later?
>
> TIA
>
> Tim Doll
> NAR 18340
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 


From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Sat Jan 16 21:36:49 2010
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:36:49 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Joining Tripoli
In-Reply-To: <011720100446.23799.4B5296250004091000005CF722230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>
Message-ID: <C777E1F1.46B2%bradwr@wrightholdings.com>

Tim,

You probably discovered this but do one of the following:

Print, fill out and send in the form here: http://tripoli.org/join.shtml
Or use paypal and join from here: http://tripoli.org/join_paypal.shtml

To get your card updated send email right away to info at tripoli.org and let
Deb know you are joining and currently a NAR L2.  Then you can either do one
of the following:

Scan your NAR card and include the file in your mail to Tripoli HQ
Copy your NAR card and send it to: P.O. Box 87, Bellevue, NE 68005

Cheers!
Brad Wright
Prefect TRAPS - Tripoli Prefecture #41


On 1/16/10 8:46 PM, "t.j.doll at att.net" <t.j.doll at att.net> wrote:

> A long time member of NAR (orginally dating back to the 1960's), after LDRS I
> decided I should join Tripoli as well.
> So I went to the Tripoli web site - and the membership form was, ah,
> lacking.....  
> Little more than name and address.  The link for joining via Paypal was even
> less, apparently nothing more than my Paypal registered address!
> 
> I was expecting a little more.  I'm Level 2 NAR, and I understand that will
> transfer to Tripoli - but how do I let them know?  Am I missing something, or
> does this all get worked out after I've joined?  Should I just join and worry
> about the details later?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Tim Doll
> NAR 18340
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>   
> 



From pasha at kali.com  Sat Jan 16 21:23:41 2010
From: pasha at kali.com (Robert Kelley)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:23:41 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Joining Tripoli
In-Reply-To: <44F5278A49DB45D38BBF5B0B0826E23A@LaptopKrausert>
References: <011720100446.23799.4B5296250004091000005CF722230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>
	<44F5278A49DB45D38BBF5B0B0826E23A@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <4B529EDD.2020603@kali.com>


I took a *.jpg of my NAR card and emailed it to TRA HQ.

Then I renewed via PayPal and received the appropriate level card.

No snail mail involved.

Robert Krausert wrote:
> Xerox a copy of  your NAR certification and snail mail to TRA. They'll
> adjust according. If you need a new card, then once you see your number
> in the correct cert check list on TRA, email them for a new card.
> 
> Onlin you can only join TRA as a new member or existing member. If you
> hold NAR or CAR certs, you have to handle them later.
> Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <t.j.doll at att.net>
> To: "Rocket Lost" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:46 PM
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Joining Tripoli
> 
> 
>> A long time member of NAR (orginally dating back to the 1960's), after
>> LDRS I decided I should join Tripoli as well.
>> So I went to the Tripoli web site - and the membership form was, ah,
>> lacking.....
>> Little more than name and address.  The link for joining via Paypal
>> was even less, apparently nothing more than my Paypal registered address!
>>
>> I was expecting a little more.  I'm Level 2 NAR, and I understand that
>> will transfer to Tripoli - but how do I let them know?  Am I missing
>> something, or does this all get worked out after I've joined?  Should
>> I just join and worry about the details later?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Tim Doll
>> NAR 18340
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
> 
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>  


From worthenc at msn.com  Sun Jan 17 08:12:34 2010
From: worthenc at msn.com (JAMES C WORTHEN)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:12:34 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] AT kit instructions?
Message-ID: <COL124-DS9BE25032BDB3454EBDDAEDB670@phx.gbl>

I am mentoring a TARC team here in the Boise area and they had a Barracuda kit donated to them, but it does not have any of the instructions with it.  Does anybody know if there is a place on-line that I could go to get them, other than appealing directly to Aerotech themselves.  I could walk them thru the assembly but they are really "newbies" and I want them to have the experience of following the instructions and making the decisions about what needs to be done or not done as the case may be.
Thanks
JC Worthen
NAR 7095 L2

From raystoner99 at comcast.net  Sun Jan 17 08:25:39 2010
From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:25:39 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] AT kit instructions?
In-Reply-To: <COL124-DS9BE25032BDB3454EBDDAEDB670@phx.gbl>
References: <COL124-DS9BE25032BDB3454EBDDAEDB670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000701ca9791$b5f2a2b0$21d7e810$@net>

Try this link...

http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/customersite/resource_library/Instructions/
Kit_Instructions/barracuda_in_8-04.pdf

Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of JAMES C WORTHEN
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:13 AM
To: rockets
Subject: [RocketsNW] AT kit instructions?

I am mentoring a TARC team here in the Boise area and they had a Barracuda
kit donated to them, but it does not have any of the instructions with it.
Does anybody know if there is a place on-line that I could go to get them,
other than appealing directly to Aerotech themselves.  I could walk them
thru the assembly but they are really "newbies" and I want them to have the
experience of following the instructions and making the decisions about what
needs to be done or not done as the case may be.
Thanks
JC Worthen
NAR 7095 L2
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From worthenc at msn.com  Sun Jan 17 08:30:07 2010
From: worthenc at msn.com (JAMES C WORTHEN)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:30:07 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] AT kit instructions?
In-Reply-To: <COL124-DS9BE25032BDB3454EBDDAEDB670@phx.gbl>
	<000701ca9791$b5f2a2b0$21d7e810$@net>
References: <COL124-DS9BE25032BDB3454EBDDAEDB670@phx.gbl>
	<000701ca9791$b5f2a2b0$21d7e810$@net>
Message-ID: <COL124-DS12214F7E08E33C91EDCDDDDB670@phx.gbl>

Thanks ray.  I figured it had to out there but didn't know where to look.
J C
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: W. Raymond Stoner<mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net> 
  To: 'JAMES C WORTHEN'<mailto:worthenc at msn.com> ; 'rockets'<mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com> 
  Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:25 AM
  Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] AT kit instructions?


  Try this link...

  http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/customersite/resource_library/Instructions/<http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/customersite/resource_library/Instructions/>
  Kit_Instructions/barracuda_in_8-04.pdf

  Ray

  -----Original Message-----
  From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
  On Behalf Of JAMES C WORTHEN
  Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:13 AM
  To: rockets
  Subject: [RocketsNW] AT kit instructions?

  I am mentoring a TARC team here in the Boise area and they had a Barracuda
  kit donated to them, but it does not have any of the instructions with it.
  Does anybody know if there is a place on-line that I could go to get them,
  other than appealing directly to Aerotech themselves.  I could walk them
  thru the assembly but they are really "newbies" and I want them to have the
  experience of following the instructions and making the decisions about what
  needs to be done or not done as the case may be.
  Thanks
  JC Worthen
  NAR 7095 L2
  _______________________________________________
  Rockets mailing list
  Rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com>
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From holdencurrency at comcast.net  Mon Jan 18 07:10:00 2010
From: holdencurrency at comcast.net (Chris Holden)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:10:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Holdens Hobbies NEWs FLASH, Blue Tube is in!
Message-ID: <1910076171.10022751263827400492.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



Holdens Hobbies NEWs FLASH Blue, Tube is in! 

Best Regards 

Chris Holden 

www.holdenshobbies.com 



PS. We're closed on Mondays 

From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com  Mon Jan 18 07:37:16 2010
From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:37:16 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] (AD)  Research Starter Kit
In-Reply-To: <833246.16888.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <e068dfbd0912191245yccbb878p6f7c90e50d24f42e@mail.gmail.com>
	<833246.16888.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D204666E1AD3F843A302330F323717ED5CF4318157@XCH-NW-13V.nw.nos.boeing.com>

In accessing my recreational activities, and prioritizing them, I've found that motor making and large rockets are sadly very low on the list. Therefore, I'm selling all of my motor making equipment and supplies. In all, it is a 100% complete starter kit, ready to mix, cast and fly.

Kitchen Aid mixer, new in box
54mm and 75mm motor cases w/nozzles, o-rings etc. new in bags
Casting tubes and liners
Resins and hardeners
small quantities of powdered metal
bucket of AP

If interested, please make an offer via email to: erviservy (i'm on yahoo.com)


Also I'll be selling a 5.5" Nike Smoke kit. The nose cone is over 3 feet tall!
And I think I'll give the rest of the stuff to the club for raffle fodder.

I am holding onto a handful of smaller rockets because I do enjoy flying them every once in a while.

Steve Bloom

From rnech at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 17:51:51 2010
From: rnech at yahoo.com (Robert Nech)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:51:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Astronaut's Cookbook
Message-ID: <97723.77462.qm@web111402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2010/01/no-bananas-on-my-space-flight.php


      

From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Mon Jan 18 19:24:31 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:24:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Astronaut's Cookbook
In-Reply-To: <97723.77462.qm@web111402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <97723.77462.qm@web111402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7383e1adf880ed993c177550791a625c.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

"As for the Russian cosmonauts who have shared the International Space
Station with Americans, their favourite fresh foods are onions and garlic,
which "have a divisive effect on the crew".

Bwaaahahaha!

I bet the Russians imitate Klingons and release flatulence in airlocks,
too.  ;-)

Just wait until American astronauts have to share cramped quarters with
Asians chowing down on kimshi......OMG, I'd jump out the airlock!
+McG+


> http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2010/01/no-bananas-on-my-space-flight.php
>
>
>
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From rnech at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 22:57:50 2010
From: rnech at yahoo.com (Robert Nech)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:57:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA tests eco-friendly rocket fuel
Message-ID: <273805.74946.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.gizmag.com/nasa-eco-friendly-rocket-fuel/12593/
NASA tests eco-friendly rocket fuel
NASA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research (AFOSR) have successfully launched a nine-foot rocket to a height of 1,300ft using an environmentally-friendly propellant made from aluminum powder and water ice. The fuel, called ALICE, has the consistency of toothpaste with a high burn rate and achieved a maximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test.

ALICE propelled the craft over Purdue University's Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month. The fuel is safer to handle to traditional fuels and can be fitted into molds before being cooled to ?30C 24 hours before flight.

What has researchers excited is that they believe ALICE has the potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants, saying that when optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventional propellants. "A sustained collaborative research effort on the fundamentals of the combustion of nanoscale aluminum and water over the last few years led to the success of this flight," said Dr Steven F. Son, a research team member from Purdue. "ALICE can be improved with the addition of oxidizers and become a potential solid rocket propellant on Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be manufactured in distant places like the moon or Mars, instead of being transported to distant locations at high cost."

"This collaboration has been an opportunity for graduate students to work on an environmentally-friendly propellant that can be used for flight on Earth and used in long distance space missions," said NASA Chief Engineer Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "These sorts of university-led experimental projects encourage a new generation of aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look at new ways for NASA to meet our exploration goals."

"By funding this collaborative research with NASA, Purdue University and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to promote basic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," said Dr Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR.

NASA has, for some time, investigated the use of alternative fuels to replace the rocket fuel it currently uses to launch vehicles like the space shuttles.




      

From vincesimoneau at msn.com  Mon Jan 18 23:31:17 2010
From: vincesimoneau at msn.com (Vince Simoneau)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:31:17 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA tests eco-friendly rocket fuel
In-Reply-To: <273805.74946.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <273805.74946.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W4814CABD270F4F767F7F60B5650@phx.gbl>


So....  are we going to price nano-aluminum again ????    };>)-
          Vinny

> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:57:50 -0800
> From: rnech at yahoo.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA tests eco-friendly rocket fuel
> 
> http://www.gizmag.com/nasa-eco-friendly-rocket-fuel/12593/
> NASA tests eco-friendly rocket fuel
> NASA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research (AFOSR) have successfully launched a nine-foot rocket to a height of 1,300ft using an environmentally-friendly propellant made from aluminum powder and water ice. The fuel, called ALICE, has the consistency of toothpaste with a high burn rate and achieved a maximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test.
> 
> ALICE propelled the craft over Purdue University's Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month. The fuel is safer to handle to traditional fuels and can be fitted into molds before being cooled to ?30C 24 hours before flight.
> 
> What has researchers excited is that they believe ALICE has the potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants, saying that when optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventional propellants. "A sustained collaborative research effort on the fundamentals of the combustion of nanoscale aluminum and water over the last few years led to the success of this flight," said Dr Steven F. Son, a research team member from Purdue. "ALICE can be improved with the addition of oxidizers and become a potential solid rocket propellant on Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be manufactured in distant places like the moon or Mars, instead of being transported to distant locations at high cost."
> 
> "This collaboration has been an opportunity for graduate students to work on an environmentally-friendly propellant that can be used for flight on Earth and used in long distance space missions," said NASA Chief Engineer Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "These sorts of university-led experimental projects encourage a new generation of aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look at new ways for NASA to meet our exploration goals."
> 
> "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, Purdue University and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to promote basic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," said Dr Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR.
> 
> NASA has, for some time, investigated the use of alternative fuels to replace the rocket fuel it currently uses to launch vehicles like the space shuttles.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From holdencurrency at comcast.net  Mon Jan 18 23:54:58 2010
From: holdencurrency at comcast.net (Chris Holden)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:54:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Holdens Hobbies NEWs FLASH, Blue Tube is in!
In-Reply-To: <1395910195.10398291263887326277.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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I have 3" blue tube, Couplers & Nose Cones in stock .... I don't have PML tubing at this time, except for three?6" Phenolic . 

Call Me if you have any questions. 



Best Regards, 

Chris Holden 

253-961-3095 


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Chris Holden" <holdencurrency at comcast.net> 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 8:49:19 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Holdens Hobbies NEWs FLASH, Blue Tube is in! 

Chris, 
Do you have a 3" coupler in stock?? I need a section of 3" PML airframe as well. 
Do you have these in stock?? If so, how much? 
? 
Bill? 








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Join me 



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> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:10:00 +0000 
> From: holdencurrency at comcast.net 
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com 
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Holdens Hobbies NEWs FLASH, Blue Tube is in! 
> 
> 
> 
> Holdens Hobbies NEWs FLASH Blue, Tube is in! 
> 
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Tue Jan 19 18:33:52 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:33:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA tests eco-friendly rocket fuel
In-Reply-To: <SNT125-W4814CABD270F4F767F7F60B5650@phx.gbl>
References: <273805.74946.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<SNT125-W4814CABD270F4F767F7F60B5650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <59d0c5c92d0adb13e88bd0627248464f.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

>
> So....  are we going to price nano-aluminum again ????    };>)-
>           Vinny

Nah.  I'll just continue trying to improve the impulse density of APCP by
mixing in regular old gold dust...gotta stay practical y'know!
+McG+


>> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:57:50 -0800
>> From: rnech at yahoo.com
>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA tests eco-friendly rocket fuel
>>
>> http://www.gizmag.com/nasa-eco-friendly-rocket-fuel/12593/
>> NASA tests eco-friendly rocket fuel
>> NASA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research (AFOSR) have
>> successfully launched a nine-foot rocket to a height of 1,300ft using an
>> environmentally-friendly propellant made from aluminum powder and water
>> ice. The fuel, called ALICE, has the consistency of toothpaste with a
>> high burn rate and achieved a maximum thrust of 650 pounds during this
>> test.
>>
>> ALICE propelled the craft over Purdue University's Scholer farms in
>> Indiana earlier this month. The fuel is safer to handle to traditional
>> fuels and can be fitted into molds before being cooled to ?30C 24 hours
>> before flight.
>>
>> What has researchers excited is that they believe ALICE has the
>> potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants, saying that when
>> optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventional
>> propellants. "A sustained collaborative research effort on the
>> fundamentals of the combustion of nanoscale aluminum and water over the
>> last few years led to the success of this flight," said Dr Steven F.
>> Son, a research team member from Purdue. "ALICE can be improved with the
>> addition of oxidizers and become a potential solid rocket propellant on
>> Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be manufactured in distant places like
>> the moon or Mars, instead of being transported to distant locations at
>> high cost."
>>
>> "This collaboration has been an opportunity for graduate students to
>> work on an environmentally-friendly propellant that can be used for
>> flight on Earth and used in long distance space missions," said NASA
>> Chief Engineer Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington.
>> "These sorts of university-led experimental projects encourage a new
>> generation of aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look
>> at new ways for NASA to meet our exploration goals."
>>
>> "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, Purdue University and
>> the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to promote basic
>> research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," said Dr Brendan
>> Godfrey, director of AFOSR.
>>
>> NASA has, for some time, investigated the use of alternative fuels to
>> replace the rocket fuel it currently uses to launch vehicles like the
>> space shuttles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From vincesimoneau at msn.com  Tue Jan 19 22:48:02 2010
From: vincesimoneau at msn.com (Vince Simoneau)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:48:02 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA tests eco-friendly rocket fuel
In-Reply-To: <59d0c5c92d0adb13e88bd0627248464f.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
References: <273805.74946.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<SNT125-W4814CABD270F4F767F7F60B5650@phx.gbl>,
	<59d0c5c92d0adb13e88bd0627248464f.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W426E79D094DBDD048B3332B5640@phx.gbl>


LOL...  Just checkin !
 Vin

> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:33:52 -0800
> From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA tests eco-friendly rocket fuel
> 
> >
> > So....  are we going to price nano-aluminum again ????    };>)-
> >           Vinny
> 
> Nah.  I'll just continue trying to improve the impulse density of APCP by
> mixing in regular old gold dust...gotta stay practical y'know!
> +McG+
> 
> 
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:57:50 -0800
> >> From: rnech at yahoo.com
> >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA tests eco-friendly rocket fuel
> >>
> >> http://www.gizmag.com/nasa-eco-friendly-rocket-fuel/12593/
> >> NASA tests eco-friendly rocket fuel
> >> NASA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research (AFOSR) have
> >> successfully launched a nine-foot rocket to a height of 1,300ft using an
> >> environmentally-friendly propellant made from aluminum powder and water
> >> ice. The fuel, called ALICE, has the consistency of toothpaste with a
> >> high burn rate and achieved a maximum thrust of 650 pounds during this
> >> test.
> >>
> >> ALICE propelled the craft over Purdue University's Scholer farms in
> >> Indiana earlier this month. The fuel is safer to handle to traditional
> >> fuels and can be fitted into molds before being cooled to ?30C 24 hours
> >> before flight.
> >>
> >> What has researchers excited is that they believe ALICE has the
> >> potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants, saying that when
> >> optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventional
> >> propellants. "A sustained collaborative research effort on the
> >> fundamentals of the combustion of nanoscale aluminum and water over the
> >> last few years led to the success of this flight," said Dr Steven F.
> >> Son, a research team member from Purdue. "ALICE can be improved with the
> >> addition of oxidizers and become a potential solid rocket propellant on
> >> Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be manufactured in distant places like
> >> the moon or Mars, instead of being transported to distant locations at
> >> high cost."
> >>
> >> "This collaboration has been an opportunity for graduate students to
> >> work on an environmentally-friendly propellant that can be used for
> >> flight on Earth and used in long distance space missions," said NASA
> >> Chief Engineer Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington.
> >> "These sorts of university-led experimental projects encourage a new
> >> generation of aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look
> >> at new ways for NASA to meet our exploration goals."
> >>
> >> "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, Purdue University and
> >> the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to promote basic
> >> research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," said Dr Brendan
> >> Godfrey, director of AFOSR.
> >>
> >> NASA has, for some time, investigated the use of alternative fuels to
> >> replace the rocket fuel it currently uses to launch vehicles like the
> >> space shuttles.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From sb at berfield.com  Wed Jan 20 13:24:14 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:24:14 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] seeking high quality plywood
Message-ID: <009301ca9a16$eaac2a30$c0047e90$@com>

Anyone have a source for 3/16" high quality plywood on the East Side? 


From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Wed Jan 20 15:22:30 2010
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:22:30 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ingraham SLI Update:  Critical Design Review
In-Reply-To: <SNT125-W426E79D094DBDD048B3332B5640@phx.gbl>
References: <273805.74946.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<SNT125-W4814CABD270F4F767F7F60B5650@phx.gbl>,
	<59d0c5c92d0adb13e88bd0627248464f.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
	<SNT125-W426E79D094DBDD048B3332B5640@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942DD03@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>


For any who are interested, the Ingraham Rocketry Team has submitted
their critical design review (CDR) to NASA for Project: Rainier.  The
kids ended up writing 44 1/3 pages of really nice, detailed technical
stuff--to which I contributed the mandatory 2/3 of a page of educational
outreach report.  It's basically all their work...and in my somewhat
biased opinion it is outstanding stuff.

Additionally, pictures of our general rocket design and a photo of the
subscale model launch we conducted on 12 Dec 09 are posted on our
website:  http://www.ingrahamrocketry.org/sli/
<http://www.ingrahamrocketry.org/sli/> 

Or, if you want a brief on the overall SLI project, you can take a look
at our write-up on the NWRocketry site (There is a link on that page
that will also take you to our website):
http://rocketsnw.com/?page_id=1561 <http://rocketsnw.com/?page_id=1561> 

Happy Rocket Building and we'll see you all on the flight line in the
Spring! 


Peter Schurke 
Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor 
Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy 
Ingraham High School 
1819 N 135th St 
Seattle, WA  98133 





From rnech at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 17:04:08 2010
From: rnech at yahoo.com (Robert Nech)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:04:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Private Space Stations Edge Closer to Reality
Message-ID: <244283.74292.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/private-space-stations-bigelow-100120.html
?
Private Space Stations Edge Closer to Reality 

By Leonard David
SPACE.com?s Space Insider Columnist
posted: 20 January 2010
07:43 am ET
?
(excerpt)
LAS VEGAS ? With two prototype modules for a commercial space station already circling the Earth, Bigelow Aerospace is gearing up for a full-scale assault on space.
?
For the upstart firm, it's about volume ? and not entirely in the sense of quantity or number of items sold. The company's expandable module designs are designed to offer low-cost commercial volume in space ? for rent or lease ? not only to private sector interests, but also to national space agencies. 
?
Entrepreneur Robert Bigelow founded Bigelow Aerospace in 1999. Over the years, the space businessman has invested some $180 million in his vision, drawing from a bank account built on construction and real estate deals, along with money gleaned from his hotel chain, Budget Suites of America.


      

From rnech at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 19:27:00 2010
From: rnech at yahoo.com (Robert Nech)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:27:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA 2010 launch schedule
Message-ID: <448883.70846.qm@web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.nasa.gov/missions/highlights/schedule.html
NASA's Shuttle and Rocket Launch Schedule
 
A variety of vehicles, launch sites on both U.S. coasts, shifting dates and times... the NASA Launch Schedule is easy to decipher by checking out our Launch Schedule 101 that explains how it all works! 

Updated -- Jan. 19, 2010 - 1:30 p.m. EST 
Legend: + Targeted For | * No Earlier Than (Tentative) | ** To Be Determined 

2010 Launches 

Date: Feb. 7 +
Mission: STS-130
Launch Vehicle: Space Shuttle Endeavour 
Launch Site: Kennedy Space Center - Launch Pad 39A 
Launch Time: 4:39 a.m. EST 
Description: Space shuttle Endeavour will deliver the final connecting node, Tranquility Node 3, and the Cupola, a robotic control station with six windows around its sides and another in the center that provides a 360-degree view around the International Space Station. 

Date: Feb. 9 
Mission: Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO) 
Launch Vehicle: United Launch Alliance Atlas V 
Launch Site: Cape Canaveral Air Force Station - Launch Complex 41 
Launch Time: 10:30 ? 11:30 a.m. EST 
Description: The first Space Weather Research Network mission in the Living With a Star, or LWS Program of NASA. 

Date: March 1 
Mission: GOES-P
Launch Vehicle: United Launch Alliance Delta IV 
Launch Site: Cape Canaveral Air Force Station - Launch Complex 37 
Launch Window: 6:19 - 7:19 p.m. EST
Description: GOES-P is the latest in a series of meteorological satellites designed to watch for storm development and weather conditions on Earth. 

Date: March 18 +
Mission: STS-131
Launch Vehicle: Space Shuttle Discovery
Launch Site: Kennedy Space Center - Launch Pad 39A 
Launch Time: 1:34 p.m. EDT 
Description: Space shuttle Discovery will carry a Multi-Purpose Logistics Module filled with science racks that will be transferred to laboratories of the International Space Station. 

Date: May 14 + 
Mission: STS-132
Launch Vehicle: Space Shuttle Atlantis
Launch Site: Kennedy Space Center - Launch Pad 39A 
Launch Time: 2:28 p.m. EDT 
Description: Space shuttle Atlantis mission will carry an integrated cargo carrier to deliver maintenance and assembly hardware, including spare parts for space station systems. In addition, the second in a series of new pressurized components for Russia, a Mini Research Module, will be permanently attached to the bottom port of the Zarya module. 

Date: ** 
Mission: Aquarius 
Launch Vehicle: United Launch Alliance Delta II 7320 
Launch Site: Vandenberg Air Force Base - SLC 2 
Description: The Aquarius mission will provide the first-ever global maps of salt concentrations in the ocean surface needed to understand heat transport and storage in the ocean. 

Date: July 29 + 
Mission: STS-134 
Launch Vehicle: Space Shuttle Endeavour 
Launch Site: Kennedy Space Center - Launch Pad 39A 
Launch Time: 7:51 a.m. EDT 
STS-134 Description: Space shuttle Endeavour will deliver an EXPRESS Logistics Carrier-3 (ELC-3) and an Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer (AMS) to the International Space Station. 

Date: Sept. 16 + 
Mission: STS-133 
Launch Vehicle: Space Shuttle Discovery
Launch Site: Kennedy Space Center - Launch Pad 39A 
Launch Time: 11:57 a.m. EDT 
STS-133 Description: Space shuttle Discovery will deliver the Express Logistics Carrier 4 (ELC4), a Multi-Purpose Logistics Module (MLPM) and critical spare components to the International Space Station. 

Date: Oct. 1 * 
Mission: Glory 
Launch Vehicle: Orbital Sciences Taurus Rocket 
Launch Site: Vandenberg Air Force Base - Launch Pad SLC 576-E 
Description: The Glory Mission will help increase our understanding of the Earth's energy balance by collecting data on the properties of aerosols and black carbon in the Earth's atmosphere and how the Sun's irradiance affects the Earth's climate. 

2011 Launches



      

From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Wed Jan 20 19:48:53 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:48:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Private Space Stations Edge Closer to Reality
In-Reply-To: <244283.74292.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <244283.74292.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <674f81f9aba278d56f0c4aa072121b05.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

A better module technology than was used on ISS.

It's a little weird:
We're getting into space with kerosene/LOX rocket stages(the rocket
equivalent of diesel locomotives), LH2/LOX stages(high performance steam
engines), solid fuel boosters(upscaled skyrockets), and now Bigelow is
inventing 'tents'(still better than the tin-can trailers used on ISS) for
people to live in when they get to space.  Are we *really* so advanced? 
;-)

A few more centuries perhaps...

+McG+
(Dangit Jetson, you idiot, where'd you park my saucer?)



> http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/private-space-stations-bigelow-100120.html
> ??
> Private Space Stations Edge Closer to Reality
>
> By Leonard David
> SPACE.com???s Space Insider Columnist
> posted: 20 January 2010
> 07:43 am ET
> ??
> (excerpt)
> LAS VEGAS ??? With two prototype modules for a commercial space station
> already circling the Earth, Bigelow Aerospace is gearing up for a
> full-scale assault on space.
> ??
> For the upstart firm, it's about volume ??? and not entirely in the sense
> of quantity or number of items sold. The company's expandable module
> designs are designed to offer low-cost commercial volume in space ??? for
> rent or lease ??? not only to private sector interests, but also to
> national space agencies.
> ??
> Entrepreneur Robert Bigelow founded Bigelow Aerospace in 1999. Over the
> years, the space businessman has invested some $180 million in his vision,
> drawing from a bank account built on construction and real estate deals,
> along with money gleaned from his hotel chain, Budget Suites of America.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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From davewalp at comcast.net  Wed Jan 20 22:35:13 2010
From: davewalp at comcast.net (David Walp)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:35:13 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
Message-ID: <002001ca9a63$e38feaa0$aaafbfe0$@net>

My son, his friend, friend's Dad and I are all thinking if the current
weather predictions - dry and calm - hold for Saturday, it would be a great
day to launch rockets at 60 Acres.  Got my fingers crossed that I did not
jinx things by typing about the weather predictions.  Anyone interested in
joining us?  This would be a BYOGSE event but we not against sharing if
needed.


From dmrandall at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 06:10:05 2010
From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:10:05 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
In-Reply-To: <002001ca9a63$e38feaa0$aaafbfe0$@net>
References: <002001ca9a63$e38feaa0$aaafbfe0$@net>
Message-ID: <6bc920e41001210610n1b3b4620mca33e4447981c066@mail.gmail.com>

I have some of the WAC GSE - and weather permitting, I'll be down
there too with a table, a launch pad / rail, and controller.

Maybe even a rocket or two to fly!

Dave

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:35 PM, David Walp <davewalp at comcast.net> wrote:
> My son, his friend, friend's Dad and I are all thinking if the current
> weather predictions - dry and calm - hold for Saturday, it would be a great
> day to launch rockets at 60 Acres. ?Got my fingers crossed that I did not
> jinx things by typing about the weather predictions. ?Anyone interested in
> joining us? ?This would be a BYOGSE event but we not against sharing if
> needed.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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>



-- 
- Dave

From mkquinn at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 11:53:29 2010
From: mkquinn at gmail.com (Mark Quinn)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:53:29 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
In-Reply-To: <6bc920e41001210610n1b3b4620mca33e4447981c066@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002001ca9a63$e38feaa0$aaafbfe0$@net>
	<6bc920e41001210610n1b3b4620mca33e4447981c066@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a1085981001211153i3e42f5fco89afcf809bd34adc@mail.gmail.com>

I have a couple new rockets and a new launch pad I'd like to try out, so
I'll plan on stopping by.

Mark

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have some of the WAC GSE - and weather permitting, I'll be down
> there too with a table, a launch pad / rail, and controller.
>
> Maybe even a rocket or two to fly!
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:35 PM, David Walp <davewalp at comcast.net> wrote:
> > My son, his friend, friend's Dad and I are all thinking if the current
> > weather predictions - dry and calm - hold for Saturday, it would be a
> great
> > day to launch rockets at 60 Acres.  Got my fingers crossed that I did not
> > jinx things by typing about the weather predictions.  Anyone interested
> in
> > joining us?  This would be a BYOGSE event but we not against sharing if
> > needed.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rockets mailing list
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> - Dave
>  _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
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> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>

From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Thu Jan 21 12:16:09 2010
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:16:09 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
In-Reply-To: <6bc920e41001210610n1b3b4620mca33e4447981c066@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002001ca9a63$e38feaa0$aaafbfe0$@net>
	<6bc920e41001210610n1b3b4620mca33e4447981c066@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942DD06@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>


My students are interested in getting some initial launches of their TARC rockets...

What time? 


Peter Schurke
Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor 
Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy 
Ingraham High School
1819 N 135th St
Seattle, WA  98133

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:10 AM
To: David Walp
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday

I have some of the WAC GSE - and weather permitting, I'll be down there too with a table, a launch pad / rail, and controller.

Maybe even a rocket or two to fly!

Dave

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:35 PM, David Walp <davewalp at comcast.net> wrote:
> My son, his friend, friend's Dad and I are all thinking if the current 
> weather predictions - dry and calm - hold for Saturday, it would be a 
> great day to launch rockets at 60 Acres. ?Got my fingers crossed that 
> I did not jinx things by typing about the weather predictions. ?Anyone 
> interested in joining us? ?This would be a BYOGSE event but we not 
> against sharing if needed.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>



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From sb at berfield.com  Thu Jan 21 13:02:23 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:02:23 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
In-Reply-To: <6bc920e41001210610n1b3b4620mca33e4447981c066@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002001ca9a63$e38feaa0$aaafbfe0$@net>
	<6bc920e41001210610n1b3b4620mca33e4447981c066@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002701ca9add$07ff4420$17fdcc60$@com>

Unless I get told otherwise by she who must be obeyed, I can come by as
well. I'll bring my little setup in case anyone needs it.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Randall
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:10 AM
To: David Walp
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday

I have some of the WAC GSE - and weather permitting, I'll be down
there too with a table, a launch pad / rail, and controller.

Maybe even a rocket or two to fly!

Dave

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:35 PM, David Walp <davewalp at comcast.net> wrote:
> My son, his friend, friend's Dad and I are all thinking if the current
> weather predictions - dry and calm - hold for Saturday, it would be a
great
> day to launch rockets at 60 Acres. ?Got my fingers crossed that I did not
> jinx things by typing about the weather predictions. ?Anyone interested in
> joining us? ?This would be a BYOGSE event but we not against sharing if
> needed.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>



-- 
- Dave
_______________________________________________
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http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  




From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Thu Jan 21 13:39:04 2010
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:39:04 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
In-Reply-To: <002701ca9add$07ff4420$17fdcc60$@com>
References: <002001ca9a63$e38feaa0$aaafbfe0$@net><6bc920e41001210610n1b3b4620mca33e4447981c066@mail.gmail.com>
	<002701ca9add$07ff4420$17fdcc60$@com>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942DD07@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

As it turns out, most of the kids that have rockets ready can't make it on Saturday, so we'll go out and "warm the field up" for you on Friday afternoon.

Remember to bring a kite, so the winds'll be low... 


Peter Schurke
Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor 
Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy 
Ingraham High School
1819 N 135th St
Seattle, WA  98133

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:02 PM
To: 'Dave Randall'; 'David Walp'
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday

Unless I get told otherwise by she who must be obeyed, I can come by as well. I'll bring my little setup in case anyone needs it.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Randall
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:10 AM
To: David Walp
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday

I have some of the WAC GSE - and weather permitting, I'll be down there too with a table, a launch pad / rail, and controller.

Maybe even a rocket or two to fly!

Dave

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:35 PM, David Walp <davewalp at comcast.net> wrote:
> My son, his friend, friend's Dad and I are all thinking if the current 
> weather predictions - dry and calm - hold for Saturday, it would be a
great
> day to launch rockets at 60 Acres. ?Got my fingers crossed that I did 
> not jinx things by typing about the weather predictions. ?Anyone 
> interested in joining us? ?This would be a BYOGSE event but we not 
> against sharing if needed.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>



--
- Dave
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http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  



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From mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net  Thu Jan 21 13:44:14 2010
From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net (mikeandkimwyvel)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:44:14 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
In-Reply-To: <002701ca9add$07ff4420$17fdcc60$@com>
References: <002001ca9a63$e38feaa0$aaafbfe0$@net>	<6bc920e41001210610n1b3b4620mca33e4447981c066@mail.gmail.com>
	<002701ca9add$07ff4420$17fdcc60$@com>
Message-ID: <001301ca9ae2$ee1dfeb0$ca59fc10$@net>

What time is everyone planning to be there?

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:02 PM
To: 'Dave Randall'; 'David Walp'
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday

Unless I get told otherwise by she who must be obeyed, I can come by as
well. I'll bring my little setup in case anyone needs it.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Randall
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:10 AM
To: David Walp
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday

I have some of the WAC GSE - and weather permitting, I'll be down
there too with a table, a launch pad / rail, and controller.

Maybe even a rocket or two to fly!

Dave

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:35 PM, David Walp <davewalp at comcast.net> wrote:
> My son, his friend, friend's Dad and I are all thinking if the current
> weather predictions - dry and calm - hold for Saturday, it would be a
great
> day to launch rockets at 60 Acres. ?Got my fingers crossed that I did not
> jinx things by typing about the weather predictions. ?Anyone interested in
> joining us? ?This would be a BYOGSE event but we not against sharing if
> needed.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>



-- 
- Dave
_______________________________________________
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http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  



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From davewalp at comcast.net  Thu Jan 21 13:55:03 2010
From: davewalp at comcast.net (davewalp at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:55:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
In-Reply-To: <001301ca9ae2$ee1dfeb0$ca59fc10$@net>
Message-ID: <494229613.12084611264110903262.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



How does NOON work?? There may be fog in the morning but it should be gone by?noon. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mikeandkimwyvel" <mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net> 
To: "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>, "Dave Randall" <dmrandall at gmail.com>, "David Walp" <davewalp at comcast.net> 
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:44:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday 

What time is everyone planning to be there? 

-----Original Message----- 
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Berfield 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:02 PM 
To: 'Dave Randall'; 'David Walp' 
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com 
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday 

Unless I get told otherwise by she who must be obeyed, I can come by as 
well. I'll bring my little setup in case anyone needs it. 

-----Original Message----- 
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] 
On Behalf Of Dave Randall 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:10 AM 
To: David Walp 
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com 
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday 

I have some of the WAC GSE - and weather permitting, I'll be down 
there too with a table, a launch pad / rail, and controller. 

Maybe even a rocket or two to fly! 

Dave 

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:35 PM, David Walp <davewalp at comcast.net> wrote: 
> My son, his friend, friend's Dad and I are all thinking if the current 
> weather predictions - dry and calm - hold for Saturday, it would be a 
great 
> day to launch rockets at 60 Acres. ?Got my fingers crossed that I did not 
> jinx things by typing about the weather predictions. ?Anyone interested in 
> joining us? ?This would be a BYOGSE event but we not against sharing if 
> needed. 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> Rockets mailing list 
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 
> 
> 



-- 
- Dave 
_______________________________________________ 
Rockets mailing list 
Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 
?? 



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Rockets mailing list 
Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 
?? 


From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 18:33:04 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:33:04 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
References: <494229613.12084611264110903262.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1F65A6421CE1401193C7FCD534ADCCF4@LaptopKrausert>

Event posted on main page and calendar page of NWR site. Have a great time.

Cheers,
Robert

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <davewalp at comcast.net>
To: "mikeandkimwyvel" <mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net>
Cc: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday


>
>
> How does NOON work? There may be fog in the morning but it should be gone 
> by noon.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mikeandkimwyvel" <mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net>
> To: "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>, "Dave Randall" 
> <dmrandall at gmail.com>, "David Walp" <davewalp at comcast.net>
> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:44:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
>
> What time is everyone planning to be there?
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:02 PM
> To: 'Dave Randall'; 'David Walp'
> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
>
> Unless I get told otherwise by she who must be obeyed, I can come by as
> well. I'll bring my little setup in case anyone needs it.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:10 AM
> To: David Walp
> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
>
> I have some of the WAC GSE - and weather permitting, I'll be down
> there too with a table, a launch pad / rail, and controller.
>
> Maybe even a rocket or two to fly!
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:35 PM, David Walp <davewalp at comcast.net> wrote:
>> My son, his friend, friend's Dad and I are all thinking if the current
>> weather predictions - dry and calm - hold for Saturday, it would be a
> great
>> day to launch rockets at 60 Acres. Got my fingers crossed that I did not
>> jinx things by typing about the weather predictions. Anyone interested in
>> joining us? This would be a BYOGSE event but we not against sharing if
>> needed.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> - Dave
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 


From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 21:35:16 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:35:16 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Bill Earls - lost&found
Message-ID: <DB7A84ABF9B6433387FE7372F0F491CB@LaptopKrausert>

Anyone ever talk to Bill? If so, we have a motor case in the OROC lost & found that has been there for years. About ready to give to the club as a loaner case. But if Bill wants it, by all means. I can ship it.

Cheers,
Robert

From dmrandall at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 21:56:00 2010
From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:56:00 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
In-Reply-To: <1F65A6421CE1401193C7FCD534ADCCF4@LaptopKrausert>
References: <494229613.12084611264110903262.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1F65A6421CE1401193C7FCD534ADCCF4@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <6bc920e41001212156w4f50bfbk78abc1989fe81ae4@mail.gmail.com>

Let's make it noon - 3pm.  Usually I find that most folks are done
flying within 2-3 hours, so that should be about right.

See you on the field!

Dave

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Robert Krausert
<lawndart.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
> Event posted on main page and calendar page of NWR site. Have a great time.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <davewalp at comcast.net>
> To: "mikeandkimwyvel" <mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net>
> Cc: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
>
>
>>
>>
>> How does NOON work? There may be fog in the morning but it should be gone
>> by noon.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mikeandkimwyvel"
>> <mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net>
>> To: "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>, "Dave Randall"
>> <dmrandall at gmail.com>, "David Walp" <davewalp at comcast.net>
>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:44:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
>>
>> What time is everyone planning to be there?
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:02 PM
>> To: 'Dave Randall'; 'David Walp'
>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
>>
>> Unless I get told otherwise by she who must be obeyed, I can come by as
>> well. I'll bring my little setup in case anyone needs it.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:10 AM
>> To: David Walp
>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
>>
>> I have some of the WAC GSE - and weather permitting, I'll be down
>> there too with a table, a launch pad / rail, and controller.
>>
>> Maybe even a rocket or two to fly!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:35 PM, David Walp <davewalp at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> My son, his friend, friend's Dad and I are all thinking if the current
>>> weather predictions - dry and calm - hold for Saturday, it would be a
>>
>> great
>>>
>>> day to launch rockets at 60 Acres. Got my fingers crossed that I did not
>>> jinx things by typing about the weather predictions. Anyone interested in
>>> joining us? This would be a BYOGSE event but we not against sharing if
>>> needed.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rockets mailing list
>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> - Dave
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>



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- Dave

From bigredbee at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 06:41:48 2010
From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:41:48 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Bill Earls - lost&found
In-Reply-To: <DB7A84ABF9B6433387FE7372F0F491CB@LaptopKrausert>
References: <DB7A84ABF9B6433387FE7372F0F491CB@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <bf3fe8021001220641l25d85235i30a1daa796eb7fc9@mail.gmail.com>

I think we should include it in the raffle!  No one wants to be in
charge of a loaner program.......

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Robert Krausert
<lawndart.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone ever talk to Bill? If so, we have a motor case in the OROC lost & found that has been there for years. About ready to give to the club as a loaner case. But if Bill wants it, by all means. I can ship it.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>

From guentherchristopher at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 07:13:13 2010
From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:13:13 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Bill Earls - lost&found
In-Reply-To: <bf3fe8021001220641l25d85235i30a1daa796eb7fc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DB7A84ABF9B6433387FE7372F0F491CB@LaptopKrausert>
	<bf3fe8021001220641l25d85235i30a1daa796eb7fc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e83b26701001220713w34e994bbs657dc2353f404fdc@mail.gmail.com>

Dont be so sure about that, I would gladly be in charge of a loner program.
I can even come up with a set of rules for loner items, like one item at a
time, OROC loaner marking must remain on item even in use, item must be
returned in the same condition as was loaned, if item is lost in the field
for more then 6 months at Brothers or 1 year at Sheridan it must be replaced
ect....

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Greg Clark <bigredbee at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think we should include it in the raffle!  No one wants to be in
> charge of a loaner program.......
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Robert Krausert
> <lawndart.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyone ever talk to Bill? If so, we have a motor case in the OROC lost &
> found that has been there for years. About ready to give to the club as a
> loaner case. But if Bill wants it, by all means. I can ship it.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Robert
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rockets mailing list
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>

From guentherchristopher at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 07:21:04 2010
From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:21:04 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
In-Reply-To: <6bc920e41001212156w4f50bfbk78abc1989fe81ae4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <494229613.12084611264110903262.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1F65A6421CE1401193C7FCD534ADCCF4@LaptopKrausert>
	<6bc920e41001212156w4f50bfbk78abc1989fe81ae4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e83b26701001220721x6e43a4ccw1073f299c96e4808@mail.gmail.com>

To bad my Rv is in the shop getting the Propane system redone cause I could
fly all day long and would be happy to make a trip up to 60 acres to fly and
meet some of the other rocketeers in the the northwest.  I just spent a week
in the Rv on our Family farm between Connell and Othello Wa. , Launched lots
of rockets on A10's through G40.  We would have been there another week but
the Rv sprang a propane leak which means no heater or fridge among other
things.

Next time I am taking a trip out to the farm I will be sure to post and see
if anyone out that way may want to come out for a day or weekend of
launching.

Chris Guenther



On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com> wrote:

> Let's make it noon - 3pm.  Usually I find that most folks are done
> flying within 2-3 hours, so that should be about right.
>
> See you on the field!
>
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Robert Krausert
> <lawndart.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Event posted on main page and calendar page of NWR site. Have a great
> time.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Robert
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: <davewalp at comcast.net>
> > To: "mikeandkimwyvel" <mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net>
> > Cc: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> How does NOON work? There may be fog in the morning but it should be
> gone
> >> by noon.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mikeandkimwyvel"
> >> <mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net>
> >> To: "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>, "Dave Randall"
> >> <dmrandall at gmail.com>, "David Walp" <davewalp at comcast.net>
> >> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:44:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> >> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
> >>
> >> What time is everyone planning to be there?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:02 PM
> >> To: 'Dave Randall'; 'David Walp'
> >> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
> >>
> >> Unless I get told otherwise by she who must be obeyed, I can come by as
> >> well. I'll bring my little setup in case anyone needs it.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:10 AM
> >> To: David Walp
> >> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch at 60 Acres on Saturday
> >>
> >> I have some of the WAC GSE - and weather permitting, I'll be down
> >> there too with a table, a launch pad / rail, and controller.
> >>
> >> Maybe even a rocket or two to fly!
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:35 PM, David Walp <davewalp at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> My son, his friend, friend's Dad and I are all thinking if the current
> >>> weather predictions - dry and calm - hold for Saturday, it would be a
> >>
> >> great
> >>>
> >>> day to launch rockets at 60 Acres. Got my fingers crossed that I did
> not
> >>> jinx things by typing about the weather predictions. Anyone interested
> in
> >>> joining us? This would be a BYOGSE event but we not against sharing if
> >>> needed.
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Rockets mailing list
> >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> - Dave
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Rockets mailing list
> >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Rockets mailing list
> >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Rockets mailing list
> >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rockets mailing list
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> - Dave
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>

From appusher at q.com  Fri Jan 22 10:04:41 2010
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:04:41 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] New information for the 54/426 hardware and reloads
Message-ID: <COL111-W550FA18CE219BF748B1458DC620@phx.gbl>


Hi Fliers,

 

I just received some important information about the 54/426 and 54/852 reloads that will affect your 2010 flights.

We have acquired a couple of the new 54 aft closures for the new small nozzle applications. We have also picked up a few of the new 38/1320 cases and the new J510W reloads.

 

Here is the information release from Aerotech:

 

Dear AeroTech High Power Representative:

AeroTech Lowers Prices on Single-Grain 54mm RMS Reload Kits

AeroTech Consumer Aerospace has redesigned its single-grain 54mm "soda can"
motor reload kits to use less expensive components and has significantly
reduced prices on the entire range of reloads for the Reloadable Motor
System (RMS) 54/426 hardware.

The modifications, which include the substitution of a lower-cost liner and
a smaller nozzle insert (the same as those used on the 29 & 38mm RMS reload
kits), have been reviewed and approved by the Tripoli Motor Testing (TMT)
Committee of the Tripoli Rocketry Association (TRA). The nozzle throat areas
are identical to the previous versions and the ballistic performances of the
new loads remain unchanged within statistical variation.

Suggested retail prices for the I115W (P/N 09115M), I229T (P/N 09229M),
I117FJ (P/N 09117M) and I215R (P/N 09215M) reload kits have been reduced
from $49.99 to $39.99 each, in line with the prices for AeroTech's 38mm
reloads of comparable power. The retail price for the I599N Warp-9 reload
kit (P/N 09599P) has been reduced from $59.99 to $49.99 each.
A current dealer order form is attached for your review.

The redesigned reload kits require use of the new 54mm small nozzle aft
closure, P/N 54ACCSN, which was previously released in October 2009
following announcement of the J99N-P endburning reload for the 54/852 RMS
motor hardware. The 54mm small nozzle aft closure retails for $39.99.

AeroTech is currently looking at the feasibility of using the smaller nozzle
design with additional reload kits for the RMS-54/852 motor as a means to
reduce prices on the J275W, J460T and possibly other reloads.

Motor instructions and assembly drawings for the redesigned reloads are now
available for download in PDF format from the Resource Library on the
AeroTech website at http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com.

AeroTech Consumer Aerospace has a page on Facebook! Follow the very latest
AeroTech news, information, product developments and testing at
http://www.facebook.com/pages/AeroTech-Consumer-Aerospace/159005948954

AeroTech Consumer Aerospace is a division of RCS Rocket Motor Components,
Inc., Cedar City, UT.



Bill at PSP






 		 	   		  

From appusher at q.com  Fri Jan 22 13:14:59 2010
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:14:59 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] CTI reload or hardware requests?
Message-ID: <COL111-W36A2D2601829BA6F0BE17ADC620@phx.gbl>



We are placing an order with Giant Leap for a CTI reload for Peter Schurke and his band of fledgeling rocket scientists.

We are donating the reload for their test flight prior to going to Florida.

 

Any requests for reloads or hardware to add to the order?  I have to know by Sunday night as the order has to go in by Monday morning.

 

Pre-paid orders by check or PayPal requested.

 

Bill at PSP





 		 	   		  

From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Fri Jan 22 14:39:00 2010
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:39:00 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] CTI reload or hardware requests?
In-Reply-To: <COL111-W36A2D2601829BA6F0BE17ADC620@phx.gbl>
References: <COL111-W36A2D2601829BA6F0BE17ADC620@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942DD0E@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

 
Putting in a blatant and shamelessly self-serving plug for PSP...

If you take them up on this order, it will help them to defray their
shipping costs for getting us the motor that they are so kindly donating
to us!

Order Early...Order Often...Order Lots!!!!!  :-)

Peter Schurke
Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor 
Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy 
Ingraham High School
1819 N 135th St
Seattle, WA  98133

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bill Munds
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:15 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] CTI reload or hardware requests?
Importance: High



We are placing an order with Giant Leap for a CTI reload for Peter
Schurke and his band of fledgeling rocket scientists.

We are donating the reload for their test flight prior to going to
Florida.

 

Any requests for reloads or hardware to add to the order?  I have to
know by Sunday night as the order has to go in by Monday morning.

 

Pre-paid orders by check or PayPal requested.

 

Bill at PSP





 		 	   		  
_______________________________________________
Rockets mailing list
Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  

From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 16:37:10 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:37:10 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Bill Earls - lost&found
References: <DB7A84ABF9B6433387FE7372F0F491CB@LaptopKrausert>
	<bf3fe8021001220641l25d85235i30a1daa796eb7fc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9A5FC2C3CD3B4C3D820A15B543D8E02B@LaptopKrausert>

Oh so true. Loaner program, not really what I meant. OK. May become a raffle 
prize. What I really meant by loaner, is we loan it and forget it. ;-)

Then again, if Bill wants it, he is entitled. But I know that case has been 
in the bin since I joined OROC in '04

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Clark" <bigredbee at gmail.com>
To: "Robert Krausert" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>
Cc: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Bill Earls - lost&found


>I think we should include it in the raffle!  No one wants to be in
> charge of a loaner program.......
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Robert Krausert
> <lawndart.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anyone ever talk to Bill? If so, we have a motor case in the OROC lost & 
>> found that has been there for years. About ready to give to the club as a 
>> loaner case. But if Bill wants it, by all means. I can ship it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Robert
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>> 


From t.j.doll at att.net  Fri Jan 22 17:12:08 2010
From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:12:08 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] (no subject)
Message-ID: <012320100112.15614.4B5A4CE8000D1BC300003CFE22230647629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>



Hi Fliers,

 
Bill

How much is the new closure - and how much cheaper are the reloads....

Tim

>>I just received some important information about the 54/426 and 54/852 reloads 
>>that will affect your 2010 flights.
>>
>>We have acquired a couple of the new 54 aft closures for the new small nozzle 
>>applications. We have also picked up a few of the new 38/1320 cases and the new 
>>J510W reloads.

 

From appusher at q.com  Fri Jan 22 18:04:37 2010
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:04:37 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60Acres launch tomorrow
Message-ID: <COL111-W39CC08CA9B120C890FFEBBDC610@phx.gbl>



I will be attending the launch at 60 Acres.  I will be bringing the model inventory as well as some 29's and 38's.

If there is anything inparticular you request me to bring, let me know tonight via email and I'll bring it along for you.

 

I might even fly a few myself.  

 

Bill at PSP









 EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
Join me 		 	   		  

From appusher at q.com  Sat Jan 23 08:35:39 2010
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:35:39 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] What about the weather? Is 60Acres still in countdown
	mode?
Message-ID: <COL111-W583445E4EC95671856F232DC610@phx.gbl>


I will be leaving the pennisula about 9:30. Is the launch still on?

I will be bringing rocket goodies.

Bill










 EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
Join me 		 	   		  

From dmrandall at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 08:42:18 2010
From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:42:18 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] What about the weather? Is 60Acres still in
	countdown mode?
In-Reply-To: <COL111-W583445E4EC95671856F232DC610@phx.gbl>
References: <COL111-W583445E4EC95671856F232DC610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6bc920e41001230842m7fb27060vb28de67c348785e3@mail.gmail.com>

Bill & all

Looks like only 30% chance of rain, but certainly will be cloudy
today.  Temps almost 50 by middle of the day.

It's not raining now, and my porch is pretty dry, so as far as I can
tell, launch is on at noon.

Dave



On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>
> I will be leaving the pennisula about 9:30. Is the launch still on?
>
> I will be bringing rocket goodies.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ?EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> Join me
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>



-- 
- Dave

From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 12:20:01 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:20:01 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry Meeting Agenda February 4th, 2010
Message-ID: <1FACE006BDE349AFBAC44F571656B679@LaptopKrausert>

The next Oregon Rocketry club meeting will be held at 7:30 pm on February 4th, 2010. Meeting place is the back room of Giovanni's in Beaverton, Oregon. 

Where: Giovanni's
12390 SW Broadway: corner of Broadway and Hall Blvd in downtown Beaverton, Oregon 97005

Agenda:
7:30 : Welcome New Members +
7:30 : January Meeting Recap [Gouncher]
7:35 : Advertising & Promotions Update [Ryerse]
7:40 : Tripoli Portland 049 Secretary [Clark]
7:45 : Financial Update [Moscoe]
7:50 : Trailer Hauling Volunteer Reminder [Krausert]
7:55 : Land Lease Renewal & 2010 FAA Waiver Update [Birzer / Krausert]


I certainly hope you can make the meeting. Take a break from your busy schedule and join us Thursday February 4th at 7:30pm for some fun and rocket talk. Come early for dinner. 

Cheers,
Robert
OregonRocketry President

From carl at mousetrap.com  Sat Jan 23 13:10:21 2010
From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:10:21 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace membership dues for 2010
Message-ID: <e068dfbd1001231310m64eeed05jd22fa92df7ddad6c@mail.gmail.com>

Washington Aerospace membership dues are for the calendar year. Even if you
paid your 2009 dues right before FITS, your membership expired on December
31st. I encourage all members, and those who would like to become members,
to visit our online membership registration page:
http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/membership_form.php. This page allows you
easily renew your membership or join the club, including paying your dues
via PayPal. The page also provides instructions for renewing the old
fashioned way with paper-based form, check, and snail mail.

Liability waivers are also needed each calendar year. If you use the online
registration page, you will be given a link to an online waiver form. All
you have to do is print the generated PDF, sign it, and bring it to the
first club-sponsored launch you attend. If you have already renewed your
membership, or you just like liability waivers, you can go to the form
directly: http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/waiver_form.php. The page also
gives you the opportunity to print a blank form that can be filled in by
hand.

Thanks in advance for all of your support. Please let me know if you have
any questions.

 - Carl

From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 13:34:52 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:34:52 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder for 60 Acres attendees
Message-ID: <5232A08B22764F1090F7EF47D6C2544F@LaptopKrausert>

Your are welcome to share photos from the event on the NorthwestRocketry website. Simple. Goto www.northwestrocketry.com and click on Upload Photos. The password is nwrupload. Browse and select the photo, provide a title, and upload the photo. 

To view them immediately, click on Recent Photos. 

Enjoy. And Share...

Cheers,
Robert

From rnech at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 24 18:05:31 2010
From: rnech at yahoo.com (Robert Nech)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:05:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
Message-ID: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
? December 2009, Russia 

In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment on
himself with fatal results.

This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked, presumably
to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer in his parents'
house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by intention or
inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified chemical and
popped it back into his mouth.

A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said that.)

Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating near
chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.

Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at home, the
student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away from food. But
there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police found
packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance believed to be an
explosive material, and think the student simply confused the packets.

A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing gum was
covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to be
explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics lab did not
have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.

Reader Comments:
"Blowing the ultimate bubble."
"New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
"Chin up, old chap, by gum."
"Must have been one hell of a bubble."
"Doublemint Dumb" 

? Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
? ? VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html




      

From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Sun Jan 24 19:04:49 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:04:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
In-Reply-To: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d5caa211c014e5605f6e6e0e8c20d85e.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

Never buy Al Qaida brand chewing gum!

Hmmm...I wonder...citric acid, picric acid....perhaps he should have paid
more attention to spelling!

+McG+


> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
> ? December 2009, Russia
>
> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
> Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment on
> himself with fatal results.
>
> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
> dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked,
> presumably
> to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer in his parents'
> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by intention
> or
> inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified chemical and
> popped it back into his mouth.
>
> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said that.)
>
> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating near
> chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
> liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>
> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at home,
> the
> student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away from food. But
> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police found
> packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance believed to be an
> explosive material, and think the student simply confused the packets.
>
> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing gum was
> covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to be
> explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics lab did
> not
> have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
>
> Reader Comments:
> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
> "Doublemint Dumb"
>
> ? Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
> ? ? VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>



From john_lyngdal at verizon.net  Sun Jan 24 19:31:17 2010
From: john_lyngdal at verizon.net (John Lyngdal)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:31:17 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
In-Reply-To: <d5caa211c014e5605f6e6e0e8c20d85e.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
References: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<d5caa211c014e5605f6e6e0e8c20d85e.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca9d6e$db8bb510$92a31f30$@net>

Well if it was picric acid, he's' lucky that he took the quick path to the
great beyond, rather than having to deal with the toxic effect of picric
acid.

	John

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:05 PM
To: Robert Nech
Cc: NW Rocketry
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
EXers)

Never buy Al Qaida brand chewing gum!

Hmmm...I wonder...citric acid, picric acid....perhaps he should have paid
more attention to spelling!

+McG+


> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
> ? December 2009, Russia
>
> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
> Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment on
> himself with fatal results.
>
> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
> dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked,
> presumably
> to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer in his parents'
> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by intention
> or
> inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified chemical and
> popped it back into his mouth.
>
> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said that.)
>
> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating near
> chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
> liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>
> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at home,
> the
> student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away from food. But
> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police found
> packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance believed to be an
> explosive material, and think the student simply confused the packets.
>
> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing gum was
> covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to be
> explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics lab did
> not
> have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
>
> Reader Comments:
> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
> "Doublemint Dumb"
>
> ? Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
> ? ? VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>
>
>
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From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Sun Jan 24 19:41:05 2010
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:41:05 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
References: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300444@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong.
 
There's not many things a student can get a hold of that both classify as shock sensitive explosives and have enough power in the amount of chemical that could transfer to a piece of gum to blow a person's head up.
 
Most of the Darwin Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of them...
 
Peter Schurke
Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor
Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
Ingraham High School
1819 N 135th St.
Seattle, WA  98133

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
Sent: Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
To: NW Rocketry
Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)



DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
  December 2009, Russia

In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment on
himself with fatal results.

This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked, presumably
to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer in his parents'
house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by intention or
inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified chemical and
popped it back into his mouth.

A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said that.)

Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating near
chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.

Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at home, the
student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away from food. But
there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police found
packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance believed to be an
explosive material, and think the student simply confused the packets.

A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing gum was
covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to be
explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics lab did not
have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.

Reader Comments:
"Blowing the ultimate bubble."
"New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
"Chin up, old chap, by gum."
"Must have been one hell of a bubble."
"Doublemint Dumb"

  Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
    VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html




     
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 20:16:27 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:16:27 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
References: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300444@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
Message-ID: <61949969ED914143964D9AB4847676AA@LaptopKrausert>

Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched. But 
thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a real event. 
Somewhere in the Ukraine.

I'm just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and still 
living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher education takes 
time. But my reason for the comment, was this person into other chemicals, 
and thereby reducing his awareness to potential danger.

"Mom! Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Schurke, Peter" <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
To: "NW Rocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for 
EXers)


> As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one 
> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong.
>
> There's not many things a student can get a hold of that both classify as 
> shock sensitive explosives and have enough power in the amount of chemical 
> that could transfer to a piece of gum to blow a person's head up.
>
> Most of the Darwin Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction 
> nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of them...
>
> Peter Schurke
> Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor
> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
> Ingraham High School
> 1819 N 135th St.
> Seattle, WA  98133
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
> Sent: Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
> To: NW Rocketry
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
>
>
>
> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
>  December 2009, Russia
>
> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
> Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment on
> himself with fatal results.
>
> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
> dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked, 
> presumably
> to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer in his parents'
> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by intention 
> or
> inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified chemical and
> popped it back into his mouth.
>
> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said that.)
>
> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating near
> chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
> liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>
> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at home, 
> the
> student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away from food. But
> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police found
> packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance believed to be an
> explosive material, and think the student simply confused the packets.
>
> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing gum was
> covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to be
> explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics lab did 
> not
> have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
>
> Reader Comments:
> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
> "Doublemint Dumb"
>
>  Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
>    VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>
>
>
>
>
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From sb at berfield.com  Sun Jan 24 20:41:03 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:41:03 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
In-Reply-To: <61949969ED914143964D9AB4847676AA@LaptopKrausert>
References: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300444@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<61949969ED914143964D9AB4847676AA@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <000601ca9d78$9a5f1780$cf1d4680$@com>

To be fair, the economy in the Ukraine being what it is, I suspect many
people live with their folks longer trhan we would expect over here.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
To: Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
EXers)

Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched. But 
thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a real event. 
Somewhere in the Ukraine.

I'm just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and still 
living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher education takes 
time. But my reason for the comment, was this person into other chemicals, 
and thereby reducing his awareness to potential danger.

"Mom! Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Schurke, Peter" <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
To: "NW Rocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for 
EXers)


> As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one 
> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong.
>
> There's not many things a student can get a hold of that both classify as 
> shock sensitive explosives and have enough power in the amount of chemical

> that could transfer to a piece of gum to blow a person's head up.
>
> Most of the Darwin Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction 
> nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of them...
>
> Peter Schurke
> Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor
> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
> Ingraham High School
> 1819 N 135th St.
> Seattle, WA  98133
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
> Sent: Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
> To: NW Rocketry
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
>
>
>
> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
>  December 2009, Russia
>
> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
> Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment on
> himself with fatal results.
>
> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
> dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked, 
> presumably
> to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer in his parents'
> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by intention 
> or
> inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified chemical and
> popped it back into his mouth.
>
> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said that.)
>
> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating near
> chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
> liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>
> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at home, 
> the
> student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away from food. But
> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police found
> packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance believed to be an
> explosive material, and think the student simply confused the packets.
>
> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing gum was
> covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to be
> explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics lab did 
> not
> have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
>
> Reader Comments:
> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
> "Doublemint Dumb"
>
>  Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
>    VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>
>
>
>
>
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 20:48:13 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:48:13 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
References: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300444@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<61949969ED914143964D9AB4847676AA@LaptopKrausert>
	<000601ca9d78$9a5f1780$cf1d4680$@com>
Message-ID: <9C460594120E4C6086DA315D4D9A4641@LaptopKrausert>

Agreed Scott. Meant no offense by that. Absolutely not.

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>
To: "'Robert Krausert'" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>; "'Schurke, Peter'" 
<pmschurke at seattleschools.org>; "'NW Rocketry'" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:41 PM
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for 
EXers)


> To be fair, the economy in the Ukraine being what it is, I suspect many
> people live with their folks longer trhan we would expect over here.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
> To: Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> EXers)
>
> Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched. But
> thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a real event.
> Somewhere in the Ukraine.
>
> I'm just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and still
> living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher education 
> takes
> time. But my reason for the comment, was this person into other chemicals,
> and thereby reducing his awareness to potential danger.
>
> "Mom! Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Schurke, Peter" <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
> To: "NW Rocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> EXers)
>
>
>> As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one
>> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong.
>>
>> There's not many things a student can get a hold of that both classify as
>> shock sensitive explosives and have enough power in the amount of 
>> chemical
>
>> that could transfer to a piece of gum to blow a person's head up.
>>
>> Most of the Darwin Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction
>> nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of them...
>>
>> Peter Schurke
>> Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor
>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>> Ingraham High School
>> 1819 N 135th St.
>> Seattle, WA  98133
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
>> Sent: Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
>> To: NW Rocketry
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
>>
>>
>>
>> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
>>  December 2009, Russia
>>
>> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
>> Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment on
>> himself with fatal results.
>>
>> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
>> dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked,
>> presumably
>> to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer in his parents'
>> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by intention
>> or
>> inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified chemical and
>> popped it back into his mouth.
>>
>> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said that.)
>>
>> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating near
>> chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
>> liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>>
>> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at home,
>> the
>> student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away from food. But
>> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police 
>> found
>> packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance believed to be an
>> explosive material, and think the student simply confused the packets.
>>
>> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing gum 
>> was
>> covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to be
>> explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics lab did
>> not
>> have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
>>
>> Reader Comments:
>> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
>> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
>> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
>> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
>> "Doublemint Dumb"
>>
>>  Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
>>    VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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>>
>>
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From Mfreptiles at aol.com  Mon Jan 25 20:42:34 2010
From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:42:34 EST
Subject: [RocketsNW] 1515 Rail Buttons
Message-ID: <29899.7338eef8.388fccba@aol.com>

Anybody know where I might find a drawing showing dimensions of a 1515  
series rail button?
 
Thanks,
Mike F.

From jhadv at pacifier.com  Mon Jan 25 21:26:44 2010
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:26:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1264449603.15657.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
References: <mailman.5.1264449603.15657.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <1238.76.115.45.22.1264483604.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>

"As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one
until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong."

Could have been something as crude as ammonium triiodide.  Might have
happened but the gentleman in question obviously didn't take the time to
read and didn't know enough not to leave that stuff the Hades alone.  I
would call him a derogatory name impugning his intelligence but that's
unfair.  Often times people's luck just runs bad.

Besides, I'm being moderated for my rants against the President.  I notice
today where the so and so is proposing spending freezes.  Defense gets a
trillion a year plus at least two supplemental appropriations a year for
two wars, bankers get 3 trillion cash in 18 months, health care oligarchs
get a trillion over 10 years, must not be as important as bankers I guess
but I digress, and I get a spending freeze.  Who do I thank?





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> From: "Robert Krausert" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>
> To: "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>,	"'Schurke, Peter'"
> 	<pmschurke at seattleschools.org>,	"'NW Rocketry'"
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> Agreed Scott. Meant no offense by that. Absolutely not.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>
> To: "'Robert Krausert'" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>; "'Schurke, Peter'"
> <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>; "'NW Rocketry'" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:41 PM
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> EXers)
>
>
>> To be fair, the economy in the Ukraine being what it is, I suspect many
>> people live with their folks longer trhan we would expect over here.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
>> To: Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>> EXers)
>>
>> Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched. But
>> thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a real event.
>> Somewhere in the Ukraine.
>>
>> I'm just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and
>> still
>> living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher education
>> takes
>> time. But my reason for the comment, was this person into other
>> chemicals,
>> and thereby reducing his awareness to potential danger.
>>
>> "Mom! Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Robert
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Schurke, Peter" <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
>> To: "NW Rocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>> EXers)
>>
>>
>>> As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one
>>> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong.
>>>
>>> There's not many things a student can get a hold of that both classify
>>> as
>>> shock sensitive explosives and have enough power in the amount of
>>> chemical
>>
>>> that could transfer to a piece of gum to blow a person's head up.
>>>
>>> Most of the Darwin Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction
>>> nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of them...
>>>
>>> Peter Schurke
>>> Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor
>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>> Ingraham High School
>>> 1819 N 135th St.
>>> Seattle, WA  98133
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
>>> Sent: Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
>>> To: NW Rocketry
>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>>> EXers)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
>>>  December 2009, Russia
>>>
>>> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
>>> Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment on
>>> himself with fatal results.
>>>
>>> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
>>> dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked,
>>> presumably
>>> to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer in his
>>> parents'
>>> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by
>>> intention
>>> or
>>> inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified chemical
>>> and
>>> popped it back into his mouth.
>>>
>>> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said that.)
>>>
>>> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating
>>> near
>>> chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
>>> liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>>>
>>> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at home,
>>> the
>>> student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away from food.
>>> But
>>> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police
>>> found
>>> packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance believed to be
>>> an
>>> explosive material, and think the student simply confused the packets.
>>>
>>> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing gum
>>> was
>>> covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to be
>>> explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics lab did
>>> not
>>> have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
>>>
>>> Reader Comments:
>>> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
>>> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
>>> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
>>> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
>>> "Doublemint Dumb"
>>>
>>>  Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
>>>    VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Mon Jan 25 22:35:14 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:35:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
In-Reply-To: <000601ca9d78$9a5f1780$cf1d4680$@com>
References: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300444@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<61949969ED914143964D9AB4847676AA@LaptopKrausert>
	<000601ca9d78$9a5f1780$cf1d4680$@com>
Message-ID: <185e2e8182ecba68c4d42a662d14bf75.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

To be really fair, if you've been following economic trends then you know
there are an awful lot of 25-year-olds living with their folks right here
in the US.  But we're better off than the Ukraine: Most of our
25-year-olds living at home have already graduated from college.  :-0

But I wonder where he was getting his citric acid crystals.  Perhaps it
was some guy at the chemical supply house who couldn't read the labels. 
Really bad luck...  Personally though, I suspect foul play.

+McG+


> To be fair, the economy in the Ukraine being what it is, I suspect many
> people live with their folks longer trhan we would expect over here.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
> To: Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> EXers)
>
> Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched. But
> thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a real event.
> Somewhere in the Ukraine.
>
> I'm just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and still
> living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher education
> takes
> time. But my reason for the comment, was this person into other chemicals,
> and thereby reducing his awareness to potential danger.
>
> "Mom! Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Schurke, Peter" <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
> To: "NW Rocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> EXers)
>
>
>> As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one
>> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong.
>>
>> There's not many things a student can get a hold of that both classify
>> as
>> shock sensitive explosives and have enough power in the amount of
>> chemical
>
>> that could transfer to a piece of gum to blow a person's head up.
>>
>> Most of the Darwin Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction
>> nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of them...
>>
>> Peter Schurke
>> Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor
>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>> Ingraham High School
>> 1819 N 135th St.
>> Seattle, WA  98133
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
>> Sent: Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
>> To: NW Rocketry
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>> EXers)
>>
>>
>>
>> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
>>  December 2009, Russia
>>
>> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
>> Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment on
>> himself with fatal results.
>>
>> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
>> dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked,
>> presumably
>> to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer in his parents'
>> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by intention
>> or
>> inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified chemical
>> and
>> popped it back into his mouth.
>>
>> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said that.)
>>
>> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating near
>> chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
>> liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>>
>> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at home,
>> the
>> student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away from food. But
>> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police
>> found
>> packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance believed to be an
>> explosive material, and think the student simply confused the packets.
>>
>> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing gum
>> was
>> covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to be
>> explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics lab did
>> not
>> have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
>>
>> Reader Comments:
>> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
>> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
>> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
>> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
>> "Doublemint Dumb"
>>
>>  Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
>>    VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From joebevier at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 00:07:00 2010
From: joebevier at gmail.com (Joe Bevier)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:07:00 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
In-Reply-To: <185e2e8182ecba68c4d42a662d14bf75.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
References: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300444@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<61949969ED914143964D9AB4847676AA@LaptopKrausert>
	<000601ca9d78$9a5f1780$cf1d4680$@com>
	<185e2e8182ecba68c4d42a662d14bf75.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
Message-ID: <45717541001260007q3446e082v8cfa6a37e22d9d7e@mail.gmail.com>

This has met thinking about food as propellant.  Has anyone ever tried
making a rocket motor powered by Mentos and
Diet Coke? Not sure it would blow the lower half of your face off but I'm
not going to swallow them at the same time. There's quite a reaction that
makes me wonder if it could be used like a high pressure water rockets. Look
up some of the online videos of this if you have not seen it before.  Maybe
I'll whip something up for the next Ex launch.

-Strangely,
Joe

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:35 PM, <kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com> wrote:

> To be really fair, if you've been following economic trends then you know
> there are an awful lot of 25-year-olds living with their folks right here
> in the US.  But we're better off than the Ukraine: Most of our
> 25-year-olds living at home have already graduated from college.  :-0
>
> But I wonder where he was getting his citric acid crystals.  Perhaps it
> was some guy at the chemical supply house who couldn't read the labels.
> Really bad luck...  Personally though, I suspect foul play.
>
> +McG+
>
>
> > To be fair, the economy in the Ukraine being what it is, I suspect many
> > people live with their folks longer trhan we would expect over here.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:
> rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
> > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
> > To: Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> > EXers)
> >
> > Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched. But
> > thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a real event.
> > Somewhere in the Ukraine.
> >
> > I'm just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and still
> > living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher education
> > takes
> > time. But my reason for the comment, was this person into other
> chemicals,
> > and thereby reducing his awareness to potential danger.
> >
> > "Mom! Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Robert
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Schurke, Peter" <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
> > To: "NW Rocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> > EXers)
> >
> >
> >> As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one
> >> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong.
> >>
> >> There's not many things a student can get a hold of that both classify
> >> as
> >> shock sensitive explosives and have enough power in the amount of
> >> chemical
> >
> >> that could transfer to a piece of gum to blow a person's head up.
> >>
> >> Most of the Darwin Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction
> >> nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of them...
> >>
> >> Peter Schurke
> >> Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor
> >> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
> >> Ingraham High School
> >> 1819 N 135th St.
> >> Seattle, WA  98133
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
> >> Sent: Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
> >> To: NW Rocketry
> >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> >> EXers)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
> >>  December 2009, Russia
> >>
> >> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
> >> Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment on
> >> himself with fatal results.
> >>
> >> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
> >> dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked,
> >> presumably
> >> to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer in his parents'
> >> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by intention
> >> or
> >> inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified chemical
> >> and
> >> popped it back into his mouth.
> >>
> >> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said that.)
> >>
> >> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating near
> >> chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
> >> liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
> >>
> >> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at home,
> >> the
> >> student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away from food. But
> >> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police
> >> found
> >> packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance believed to be an
> >> explosive material, and think the student simply confused the packets.
> >>
> >> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing gum
> >> was
> >> covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to be
> >> explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics lab did
> >> not
> >> have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
> >>
> >> Reader Comments:
> >> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
> >> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
> >> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
> >> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
> >> "Doublemint Dumb"
> >>
> >>  Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
> >>    VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From rocketsrfun at msn.com  Tue Jan 26 05:21:06 2010
From: rocketsrfun at msn.com (Don Harris)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:21:06 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] 1515 Rail Buttons
In-Reply-To: <29899.7338eef8.388fccba@aol.com>
References: <29899.7338eef8.388fccba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS1BF7EC5F10AC225999499BD5E0@phx.gbl>

Hope this helps Mike.

Don


http://www.aeropac.org/launch_guides.html<http://www.aeropac.org/launch_guides.html> 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mfreptiles at aol.com<mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com> 
  To: rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com> 
  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:42 PM
  Subject: [RocketsNW] 1515 Rail Buttons


  Anybody know where I might find a drawing showing dimensions of a 1515  
  series rail button?
   
  Thanks,
  Mike F.
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From Mfreptiles at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 09:12:32 2010
From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:12:32 EST
Subject: [RocketsNW] 1515 Rail Buttons
Message-ID: <baab.5ad7f3bf.38907c80@aol.com>

Thanks everybody!  For anyone interested, Don Harris provided  the url 
below.
 
_http://www.aeropac.org/launch_guides.html_ 
(http://www.aeropac.org/launch_guides.html) 
 
Mike F.

From Simpsonclark at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 09:51:33 2010
From: Simpsonclark at aol.com (Simpsonclark at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:51:33 EST
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24
Message-ID: <d1f5.da7aa5b.389085a5@aol.com>

Please... there are some fundamental issues with this story, Kalamazoo  or 
Kiev.
1:  Most shock sensitive explosives, including ammonium  triiodide, are 
desensitized by moisture.
2:  Even if #1 isn't true, it would be his hand that he lost  dipping the 
gum.
3:  The impetus in a thin coating would be pretty low because of both  the 
mass and the poor shock    propagation properties.  If  we want to continue 
this thread, can we come up with a plausible model?   And, yes, there may be 
one, but I haven't seen it yet.
-Robert
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 9:27:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jhadv at pacifier.com writes:

"As a  chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one
until  I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong."

Could have  been something as crude as ammonium triiodide.  Might have
happened  but the gentleman in question obviously didn't take the time to
read and  didn't know enough not to leave that stuff the Hades alone.  I
would  call him a derogatory name impugning his intelligence but  that's
unfair.  Often times people's luck just runs  bad.

Besides, I'm being moderated for my rants against the  President.  I notice
today where the so and so is proposing spending  freezes.  Defense gets a
trillion a year plus at least two  supplemental appropriations a year for
two wars, bankers get 3 trillion  cash in 18 months, health care oligarchs
get a trillion over 10 years, must  not be as important as bankers I guess
but I digress, and I get a spending  freeze.  Who do I thank?





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>  Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:48:13 -0800
> From: "Robert  Krausert" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>
> To: "Scott Berfield"  <sb at berfield.com>,   "'Schurke, Peter'"
>    <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>, "'NW Rocketry'"
>    <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix  chemicals and food (another tip for
>   EXers)
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>  Agreed Scott. Meant no offense by that. Absolutely not.
>
>  Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:  "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>
> To: "'Robert Krausert'"  <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>; "'Schurke, Peter'"
>  <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>; "'NW Rocketry'"  <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:41  PM
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip  for
> EXers)
>
>
>> To be fair, the economy in the  Ukraine being what it is, I suspect many
>> people live with their  folks longer trhan we would expect over here.
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From:  rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>  [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Robert  Krausert
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
>> To:  Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix  chemicals and food (another tip for
>> EXers)
>>
>>  Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched.  
But
>> thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a  real event.
>> Somewhere in the Ukraine.
>>
>> I'm  just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and
>>  still
>> living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher  education
>> takes
>> time. But my reason for the comment,  was this person into other
>> chemicals,
>> and thereby  reducing his awareness to potential danger.
>>
>> "Mom!  Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
>>
>>  Cheers,
>> Robert
>> ----- Original Message  -----
>> From: "Schurke, Peter"  <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
>> To: "NW Rocketry"  <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41  PM
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another  tip for
>> EXers)
>>
>>
>>> As a  chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this  
one
>>> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully  strong.
>>>
>>> There's not many things a student can  get a hold of that both classify
>>> as
>>> shock  sensitive explosives and have enough power in the amount of
>>>  chemical
>>
>>> that could transfer to a piece of gum to  blow a person's head up.
>>>
>>> Most of the Darwin  Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction
>>>  nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of  them...
>>>
>>> Peter Schurke
>>> Science  and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor
>>> Ingraham Aerospace  Sciences Academy
>>> Ingraham High School
>>> 1819 N  135th St.
>>> Seattle, WA   98133
>>>
>>>  ________________________________
>>>
>>> From:  rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
>>> Sent:  Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
>>> To: NW Rocketry
>>> Subject:  [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>>>  EXers)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
>>>   December 2009, Russia
>>>
>>> In a scientific quest  with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
>>> Polytechnic  Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment on
>>>  himself with fatal results.
>>>
>>> This 25-year-old  chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
>>> dipping  his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked,
>>>  presumably
>>> to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a  computer in his
>>> parents'
>>> house in the northern  Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by
>>>  intention
>>> or
>>> inattention, the student dunked  his gum into an unidentified chemical
>>> and
>>>  popped it back into his mouth.
>>>
>>> A loud pop was  heard coming from his room. (Reports really said  that.)
>>>
>>> Every academic laboratory emphasizes  the importance of never eating
>>> near
>>> chemicals  because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
>>>  liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>>>
>>>  Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at  
home,
>>> the
>>> student was well aware of the need  to keep chemicals away from food.
>>> But
>>> there he  was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police
>>>  found
>>> packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance  believed to be
>>> an
>>> explosive material, and  think the student simply confused the packets.
>>>
>>>  A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing  gum
>>> was
>>> covered with an unidentified chemical  substance believed to be
>>> explosive. At the time of the news  reports, the local forensics lab did
>>> not
>>> have  the necessary equipment to identify the  substance.
>>>
>>> Reader Comments:
>>>  "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
>>> "New Chewing Gum Flavor:  Explosive"
>>> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
>>> "Must  have been one hell of a bubble."
>>> "Doublemint  Dumb"
>>>
>>>  Reference: lenta.ru,  www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
>>>    VOTE:  http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Tue Jan 26 10:03:42 2010
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:03:42 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24
In-Reply-To: <d1f5.da7aa5b.389085a5@aol.com>
References: <d1f5.da7aa5b.389085a5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942DD1B@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

Agreed.  

For one thing Nitrogen Triiodide (what people keep referring to as
ammonium triiodide) is a black crystalline substance, whereas citric
acid is white. That's not an easy mistake to make.  

Secondly, and I missed this on the first read, he was working at home.
Any shock sensitive chemical strong enough to kill him when he chomped
down on it would not likely have made it home with him.  If he had one
iota of sense, he wouldn't even try--Why would you want something like
that in your home?

>From a chemistry standpoint, I can't find a shred of anything credible
in this story.


Peter Schurke
Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor 
Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy 
Ingraham High School
1819 N 135th St
Seattle, WA  98133

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Simpsonclark at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:52 AM
To: jhadv at pacifier.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24

Please... there are some fundamental issues with this story, Kalamazoo
or Kiev.
1:  Most shock sensitive explosives, including ammonium  triiodide, are
desensitized by moisture.
2:  Even if #1 isn't true, it would be his hand that he lost  dipping
the gum.
3:  The impetus in a thin coating would be pretty low because of both
the 
mass and the poor shock    propagation properties.  If  we want to
continue 
this thread, can we come up with a plausible model?   And, yes, there
may be 
one, but I haven't seen it yet.
-Robert
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 9:27:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
jhadv at pacifier.com writes:

"As a  chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this
one until  I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong."

Could have  been something as crude as ammonium triiodide.  Might have
happened  but the gentleman in question obviously didn't take the time
to read and  didn't know enough not to leave that stuff the Hades alone.
I would  call him a derogatory name impugning his intelligence but
that's unfair.  Often times people's luck just runs  bad.

Besides, I'm being moderated for my rants against the  President.  I
notice today where the so and so is proposing spending  freezes.
Defense gets a trillion a year plus at least two  supplemental
appropriations a year for two wars, bankers get 3 trillion  cash in 18
months, health care oligarchs get a trillion over 10 years, must  not be
as important as bankers I guess but I digress, and I get a spending
freeze.  Who do I thank?





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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>  Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:48:13 -0800
> From: "Robert  Krausert" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>
> To: "Scott Berfield"  <sb at berfield.com>,   "'Schurke, Peter'"
>    <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>, "'NW Rocketry'"
>    <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix  chemicals and food (another tip
for
>   EXers)
>  Message-ID: <9C460594120E4C6086DA315D4D9A4641 at LaptopKrausert>
>  Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;  charset="iso-8859-1";
>   reply-type=original
>
>  Agreed Scott. Meant no offense by that. Absolutely not.
>
>  Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:  "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>
> To: "'Robert Krausert'"  <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>; "'Schurke,
Peter'"
>  <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>; "'NW Rocketry'"  
> <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:41  PM
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip  
> for
> EXers)
>
>
>> To be fair, the economy in the  Ukraine being what it is, I suspect 
>> many people live with their  folks longer trhan we would expect over
here.
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From:  rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>  [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Robert  Krausert
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
>> To:  Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix  chemicals and food (another tip 
>> for
>> EXers)
>>
>>  Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched.

But
>> thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a  real
event.
>> Somewhere in the Ukraine.
>>
>> I'm  just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and

>> still living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher  
>> education takes time. But my reason for the comment,  was this person

>> into other chemicals, and thereby  reducing his awareness to 
>> potential danger.
>>
>> "Mom!  Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
>>
>>  Cheers,
>> Robert
>> ----- Original Message  -----
>> From: "Schurke, Peter"  <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
>> To: "NW Rocketry"  <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41  PM
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another  tip 
>> for
>> EXers)
>>
>>
>>> As a  chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this
one
>>> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully  strong.
>>>
>>> There's not many things a student can  get a hold of that both 
>>> classify as shock  sensitive explosives and have enough power in the

>>> amount of  chemical
>>
>>> that could transfer to a piece of gum to  blow a person's head up.
>>>
>>> Most of the Darwin  Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but 
>>> fiction  nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of  them...
>>>
>>> Peter Schurke
>>> Science  and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace  
>>> Sciences Academy Ingraham High School
>>> 1819 N  135th St.
>>> Seattle, WA   98133
>>>
>>>  ________________________________
>>>
>>> From:  rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
>>> Sent:  Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
>>> To: NW Rocketry
>>> Subject:  [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>>>  EXers)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
>>>   December 2009, Russia
>>>
>>> In a scientific quest  with unknown objectives, a student of the 
>>> Kiev Polytechnic  Institute inadvertently performed a chemical 
>>> experiment on  himself with fatal results.
>>>
>>> This 25-year-old  chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit 
>>> of dipping  his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked,

>>> presumably to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a  computer

>>> in his parents'
>>> house in the northern  Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by  
>>> intention or inattention, the student dunked  his gum into an 
>>> unidentified chemical and  popped it back into his mouth.
>>>
>>> A loud pop was  heard coming from his room. (Reports really said  
>>> that.)
>>>
>>> Every academic laboratory emphasizes  the importance of never eating

>>> near chemicals  because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with 
>>> a toxic  liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>>>
>>>  Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at
home,
>>> the
>>> student was well aware of the need  to keep chemicals away from
food.
>>> But
>>> there he  was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. 
>>> Police  found packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance

>>> believed to be an explosive material, and  think the student simply 
>>> confused the packets.
>>>
>>>  A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing

>>> gum was covered with an unidentified chemical  substance believed to

>>> be explosive. At the time of the news  reports, the local forensics 
>>> lab did not have  the necessary equipment to identify the  
>>> substance.
>>>
>>> Reader Comments:
>>>  "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
>>> "New Chewing Gum Flavor:  Explosive"
>>> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
>>> "Must  have been one hell of a bubble."
>>> "Doublemint  Dumb"
>>>
>>>  Reference: lenta.ru,  www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
>>>    VOTE:  http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 12:50:12 2010
From: Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net (Michael Dennis)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:50:12 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Fibre Glast 20% discount offer on web orders
Message-ID: <004001ca9ec9$28771b70$79655250$@Dennis42@comcast.net>

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From Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 13:01:48 2010
From: Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net (Michael Dennis)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:01:48 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Food as propellant - was: Never mix chemicals and food
	(another tip for EXers)
In-Reply-To: <45717541001260007q3446e082v8cfa6a37e22d9d7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300444@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>	<61949969ED914143964D9AB4847676AA@LaptopKrausert>	<000601ca9d78$9a5f1780$cf1d4680$@com>	<185e2e8182ecba68c4d42a662d14bf75.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
	<45717541001260007q3446e082v8cfa6a37e22d9d7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004501ca9eca$c71476f0$553d64d0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>

How about a Sausage Rocket - check this out:
http://gofurther.utsi.edu/Projects/SausageRocket.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Joe Bevier
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 12:07 AM
To: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
EXers)

This has met thinking about food as propellant.  Has anyone ever tried
making a rocket motor powered by Mentos and
Diet Coke? Not sure it would blow the lower half of your face off but I'm
not going to swallow them at the same time. There's quite a reaction that
makes me wonder if it could be used like a high pressure water rockets. Look
up some of the online videos of this if you have not seen it before.  Maybe
I'll whip something up for the next Ex launch.

-Strangely,
Joe

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:35 PM, <kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com> wrote:

> To be really fair, if you've been following economic trends then you know
> there are an awful lot of 25-year-olds living with their folks right here
> in the US.  But we're better off than the Ukraine: Most of our
> 25-year-olds living at home have already graduated from college.  :-0
>
> But I wonder where he was getting his citric acid crystals.  Perhaps it
> was some guy at the chemical supply house who couldn't read the labels.
> Really bad luck...  Personally though, I suspect foul play.
>
> +McG+
>
>
> > To be fair, the economy in the Ukraine being what it is, I suspect many
> > people live with their folks longer trhan we would expect over here.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:
> rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
> > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
> > To: Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> > EXers)
> >
> > Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched. But
> > thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a real event.
> > Somewhere in the Ukraine.
> >
> > I'm just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and
still
> > living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher education
> > takes
> > time. But my reason for the comment, was this person into other
> chemicals,
> > and thereby reducing his awareness to potential danger.
> >
> > "Mom! Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Robert
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Schurke, Peter" <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
> > To: "NW Rocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> > EXers)
> >
> >
> >> As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one
> >> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong.
> >>
> >> There's not many things a student can get a hold of that both classify
> >> as
> >> shock sensitive explosives and have enough power in the amount of
> >> chemical
> >
> >> that could transfer to a piece of gum to blow a person's head up.
> >>
> >> Most of the Darwin Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction
> >> nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of them...
> >>
> >> Peter Schurke
> >> Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor
> >> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
> >> Ingraham High School
> >> 1819 N 135th St.
> >> Seattle, WA  98133
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
> >> Sent: Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
> >> To: NW Rocketry
> >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> >> EXers)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
> >>  December 2009, Russia
> >>
> >> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
> >> Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment on
> >> himself with fatal results.
> >>
> >> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
> >> dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked,
> >> presumably
> >> to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer in his
parents'
> >> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by
intention
> >> or
> >> inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified chemical
> >> and
> >> popped it back into his mouth.
> >>
> >> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said that.)
> >>
> >> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating
near
> >> chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
> >> liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
> >>
> >> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at home,
> >> the
> >> student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away from food.
But
> >> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police
> >> found
> >> packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance believed to be
an
> >> explosive material, and think the student simply confused the packets.
> >>
> >> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing gum
> >> was
> >> covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to be
> >> explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics lab did
> >> not
> >> have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
> >>
> >> Reader Comments:
> >> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
> >> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
> >> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
> >> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
> >> "Doublemint Dumb"
> >>
> >>  Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
> >>    VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From cpovercg at rocketmail.com  Tue Jan 26 13:19:45 2010
From: cpovercg at rocketmail.com (Robert Braibish)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:19:45 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942DD1B@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <d1f5.da7aa5b.389085a5@aol.com><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942DD1B@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
Message-ID: <1422229522-1264540758-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-105313263-@bda088.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Certainly, Nitrogen Triiodide likely would not have been fatal but I can speak from personal experience it can be dangerous stuff (and I have the scars to remind me). But to have a container of (presumably) white powdery contact explosive with enough oomph to open up a guys head sitting open on the counter just doesn't "smell" right...

R Braibish
Not a teacher nor a chemist, just dangerously curious and lucky to still be around. ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: "Schurke, Peter" <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:03:42 
To: <Simpsonclark at aol.com>; <jhadv at pacifier.com>; <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24

Agreed.  

For one thing Nitrogen Triiodide (what people keep referring to as
ammonium triiodide) is a black crystalline substance, whereas citric
acid is white. That's not an easy mistake to make.  

Secondly, and I missed this on the first read, he was working at home.
Any shock sensitive chemical strong enough to kill him when he chomped
down on it would not likely have made it home with him.  If he had one
iota of sense, he wouldn't even try--Why would you want something like
that in your home?

>From a chemistry standpoint, I can't find a shred of anything credible
in this story.


Peter Schurke
Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor 
Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy 
Ingraham High School
1819 N 135th St
Seattle, WA  98133

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Simpsonclark at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:52 AM
To: jhadv at pacifier.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24

Please... there are some fundamental issues with this story, Kalamazoo
or Kiev.
1:  Most shock sensitive explosives, including ammonium  triiodide, are
desensitized by moisture.
2:  Even if #1 isn't true, it would be his hand that he lost  dipping
the gum.
3:  The impetus in a thin coating would be pretty low because of both
the 
mass and the poor shock    propagation properties.  If  we want to
continue 
this thread, can we come up with a plausible model?   And, yes, there
may be 
one, but I haven't seen it yet.
-Robert
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 9:27:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
jhadv at pacifier.com writes:

"As a  chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this
one until  I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong."

Could have  been something as crude as ammonium triiodide.  Might have
happened  but the gentleman in question obviously didn't take the time
to read and  didn't know enough not to leave that stuff the Hades alone.
I would  call him a derogatory name impugning his intelligence but
that's unfair.  Often times people's luck just runs  bad.

Besides, I'm being moderated for my rants against the  President.  I
notice today where the so and so is proposing spending  freezes.
Defense gets a trillion a year plus at least two  supplemental
appropriations a year for two wars, bankers get 3 trillion  cash in 18
months, health care oligarchs get a trillion over 10 years, must  not be
as important as bankers I guess but I digress, and I get a spending
freeze.  Who do I thank?





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>  
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:48:13 -0800
> From: "Robert  Krausert" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>
> To: "Scott Berfield"  <sb at berfield.com>,   "'Schurke, Peter'"
>    <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>, "'NW Rocketry'"
>    <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix  chemicals and food (another tip
for
>   EXers)
>  Message-ID: <9C460594120E4C6086DA315D4D9A4641 at LaptopKrausert>
>  Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;  charset="iso-8859-1";
>   reply-type=original
>
>  Agreed Scott. Meant no offense by that. Absolutely not.
>
>  Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:  "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>
> To: "'Robert Krausert'"  <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>; "'Schurke,
Peter'"
>  <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>; "'NW Rocketry'"  
> <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:41  PM
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip  
> for
> EXers)
>
>
>> To be fair, the economy in the  Ukraine being what it is, I suspect 
>> many people live with their  folks longer trhan we would expect over
here.
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From:  rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>  [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Robert  Krausert
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
>> To:  Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix  chemicals and food (another tip 
>> for
>> EXers)
>>
>>  Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched.

But
>> thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a  real
event.
>> Somewhere in the Ukraine.
>>
>> I'm  just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and

>> still living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher  
>> education takes time. But my reason for the comment,  was this person

>> into other chemicals, and thereby  reducing his awareness to 
>> potential danger.
>>
>> "Mom!  Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
>>
>>  Cheers,
>> Robert
>> ----- Original Message  -----
>> From: "Schurke, Peter"  <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
>> To: "NW Rocketry"  <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41  PM
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another  tip 
>> for
>> EXers)
>>
>>
>>> As a  chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this
one
>>> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully  strong.
>>>
>>> There's not many things a student can  get a hold of that both 
>>> classify as shock  sensitive explosives and have enough power in the

>>> amount of  chemical
>>
>>> that could transfer to a piece of gum to  blow a person's head up.
>>>
>>> Most of the Darwin  Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but 
>>> fiction  nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of  them...
>>>
>>> Peter Schurke
>>> Science  and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace  
>>> Sciences Academy Ingraham High School
>>> 1819 N  135th St.
>>> Seattle, WA   98133
>>>
>>>  ________________________________
>>>
>>> From:  rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
>>> Sent:  Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
>>> To: NW Rocketry
>>> Subject:  [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>>>  EXers)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
>>>   December 2009, Russia
>>>
>>> In a scientific quest  with unknown objectives, a student of the 
>>> Kiev Polytechnic  Institute inadvertently performed a chemical 
>>> experiment on  himself with fatal results.
>>>
>>> This 25-year-old  chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit 
>>> of dipping  his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked,

>>> presumably to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a  computer

>>> in his parents'
>>> house in the northern  Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by  
>>> intention or inattention, the student dunked  his gum into an 
>>> unidentified chemical and  popped it back into his mouth.
>>>
>>> A loud pop was  heard coming from his room. (Reports really said  
>>> that.)
>>>
>>> Every academic laboratory emphasizes  the importance of never eating

>>> near chemicals  because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with 
>>> a toxic  liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>>>
>>>  Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at
home,
>>> the
>>> student was well aware of the need  to keep chemicals away from
food.
>>> But
>>> there he  was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. 
>>> Police  found packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance

>>> believed to be an explosive material, and  think the student simply 
>>> confused the packets.
>>>
>>>  A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing

>>> gum was covered with an unidentified chemical  substance believed to

>>> be explosive. At the time of the news  reports, the local forensics 
>>> lab did not have  the necessary equipment to identify the  
>>> substance.
>>>
>>> Reader Comments:
>>>  "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
>>> "New Chewing Gum Flavor:  Explosive"
>>> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
>>> "Must  have been one hell of a bubble."
>>> "Doublemint  Dumb"
>>>
>>>  Reference: lenta.ru,  www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
>>>    VOTE:  http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Tue Jan 26 14:23:03 2010
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:23:03 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Food as propellant - was: Never mix chemicals and
 food	(another tip for EXers)
In-Reply-To: <004501ca9eca$c71476f0$553d64d0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
References: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300444@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>	<61949969ED914143964D9AB4847676AA@LaptopKrausert>	<000601ca9d78$9a5f1780$cf1d4680$@com>	<185e2e8182ecba68c4d42a662d14bf75.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>	<45717541001260007q3446e082v8cfa6a37e22d9d7e@mail.gmail.com>
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AMROC did a salami hybrid back in the 80's and it's been successfully 
redone repeatedly in test stands. Mythbusters tried and blew it twice. 
My favorite food fuel is a Gummi Bear hybrid.

Andrew.

Michael Dennis wrote:
> How about a Sausage Rocket - check this out:
> http://gofurther.utsi.edu/Projects/SausageRocket.htm
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Joe Bevier
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 12:07 AM
> To: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> EXers)
> 
> This has met thinking about food as propellant.  Has anyone ever tried
> making a rocket motor powered by Mentos and
> Diet Coke? Not sure it would blow the lower half of your face off but I'm
> not going to swallow them at the same time. There's quite a reaction that
> makes me wonder if it could be used like a high pressure water rockets. Look
> up some of the online videos of this if you have not seen it before.  Maybe
> I'll whip something up for the next Ex launch.
> 
> -Strangely,
> Joe
> 
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:35 PM, <kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com> wrote:
> 
>> To be really fair, if you've been following economic trends then you know
>> there are an awful lot of 25-year-olds living with their folks right here
>> in the US.  But we're better off than the Ukraine: Most of our
>> 25-year-olds living at home have already graduated from college.  :-0
>>
>> But I wonder where he was getting his citric acid crystals.  Perhaps it
>> was some guy at the chemical supply house who couldn't read the labels.
>> Really bad luck...  Personally though, I suspect foul play.
>>
>> +McG+
>>
>>
>>> To be fair, the economy in the Ukraine being what it is, I suspect many
>>> people live with their folks longer trhan we would expect over here.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:
>> rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
>>> To: Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>>> EXers)
>>>
>>> Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched. But
>>> thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a real event.
>>> Somewhere in the Ukraine.
>>>
>>> I'm just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and
> still
>>> living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher education
>>> takes
>>> time. But my reason for the comment, was this person into other
>> chemicals,
>>> and thereby reducing his awareness to potential danger.
>>>
>>> "Mom! Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Robert
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Schurke, Peter" <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
>>> To: "NW Rocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>>> EXers)
>>>
>>>
>>>> As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one
>>>> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong.
>>>>
>>>> There's not many things a student can get a hold of that both classify
>>>> as
>>>> shock sensitive explosives and have enough power in the amount of
>>>> chemical
>>>> that could transfer to a piece of gum to blow a person's head up.
>>>>
>>>> Most of the Darwin Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction
>>>> nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of them...
>>>>
>>>> Peter Schurke
>>>> Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor
>>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>>> Ingraham High School
>>>> 1819 N 135th St.
>>>> Seattle, WA  98133
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
>>>> Sent: Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
>>>> To: NW Rocketry
>>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>>>> EXers)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
>>>>  December 2009, Russia
>>>>
>>>> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
>>>> Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment on
>>>> himself with fatal results.
>>>>
>>>> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
>>>> dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked,
>>>> presumably
>>>> to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer in his
> parents'
>>>> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by
> intention
>>>> or
>>>> inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified chemical
>>>> and
>>>> popped it back into his mouth.
>>>>
>>>> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said that.)
>>>>
>>>> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating
> near
>>>> chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
>>>> liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>>>>
>>>> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at home,
>>>> the
>>>> student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away from food.
> But
>>>> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police
>>>> found
>>>> packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance believed to be
> an
>>>> explosive material, and think the student simply confused the packets.
>>>>
>>>> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing gum
>>>> was
>>>> covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to be
>>>> explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics lab did
>>>> not
>>>> have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
>>>>
>>>> Reader Comments:
>>>> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
>>>> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
>>>> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
>>>> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
>>>> "Doublemint Dumb"
>>>>
>>>>  Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
>>>>    VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From robert.krausert at intel.com  Tue Jan 26 14:34:39 2010
From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:34:39 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Food as propellant - was: Never mix chemicals and
 food	(another tip for EXers)
In-Reply-To: <4B5F6B47.90703@hawkfeather.com>
References: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300444@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<61949969ED914143964D9AB4847676AA@LaptopKrausert>
	<000601ca9d78$9a5f1780$cf1d4680$@com>
	<185e2e8182ecba68c4d42a662d14bf75.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
	<45717541001260007q3446e082v8cfa6a37e22d9d7e@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4B5F6B47.90703@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E5751D082@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>

I'd think Gummi Bears would clog the nozzle. Or as the rocket flies upward, it's spitting out flaming little bears. Poor little bears. 

Cheers,
Robert 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:23 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Food as propellant - was: Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)

AMROC did a salami hybrid back in the 80's and it's been successfully 
redone repeatedly in test stands. Mythbusters tried and blew it twice. 
My favorite food fuel is a Gummi Bear hybrid.

Andrew.

Michael Dennis wrote:
> How about a Sausage Rocket - check this out:
> http://gofurther.utsi.edu/Projects/SausageRocket.htm
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Joe Bevier
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 12:07 AM
> To: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> EXers)
> 
> This has met thinking about food as propellant.  Has anyone ever tried
> making a rocket motor powered by Mentos and
> Diet Coke? Not sure it would blow the lower half of your face off but I'm
> not going to swallow them at the same time. There's quite a reaction that
> makes me wonder if it could be used like a high pressure water rockets. Look
> up some of the online videos of this if you have not seen it before.  Maybe
> I'll whip something up for the next Ex launch.
> 
> -Strangely,
> Joe
> 
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:35 PM, <kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com> wrote:
> 
>> To be really fair, if you've been following economic trends then you know
>> there are an awful lot of 25-year-olds living with their folks right here
>> in the US.  But we're better off than the Ukraine: Most of our
>> 25-year-olds living at home have already graduated from college.  :-0
>>
>> But I wonder where he was getting his citric acid crystals.  Perhaps it
>> was some guy at the chemical supply house who couldn't read the labels.
>> Really bad luck...  Personally though, I suspect foul play.
>>
>> +McG+
>>
>>
>>> To be fair, the economy in the Ukraine being what it is, I suspect many
>>> people live with their folks longer trhan we would expect over here.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:
>> rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
>>> To: Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>>> EXers)
>>>
>>> Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched. But
>>> thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a real event.
>>> Somewhere in the Ukraine.
>>>
>>> I'm just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and
> still
>>> living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher education
>>> takes
>>> time. But my reason for the comment, was this person into other
>> chemicals,
>>> and thereby reducing his awareness to potential danger.
>>>
>>> "Mom! Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Robert
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Schurke, Peter" <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
>>> To: "NW Rocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>>> EXers)
>>>
>>>
>>>> As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one
>>>> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong.
>>>>
>>>> There's not many things a student can get a hold of that both classify
>>>> as
>>>> shock sensitive explosives and have enough power in the amount of
>>>> chemical
>>>> that could transfer to a piece of gum to blow a person's head up.
>>>>
>>>> Most of the Darwin Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction
>>>> nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of them...
>>>>
>>>> Peter Schurke
>>>> Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor
>>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>>> Ingraham High School
>>>> 1819 N 135th St.
>>>> Seattle, WA  98133
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
>>>> Sent: Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
>>>> To: NW Rocketry
>>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>>>> EXers)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
>>>>  December 2009, Russia
>>>>
>>>> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
>>>> Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment on
>>>> himself with fatal results.
>>>>
>>>> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
>>>> dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked,
>>>> presumably
>>>> to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer in his
> parents'
>>>> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by
> intention
>>>> or
>>>> inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified chemical
>>>> and
>>>> popped it back into his mouth.
>>>>
>>>> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said that.)
>>>>
>>>> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating
> near
>>>> chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
>>>> liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>>>>
>>>> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at home,
>>>> the
>>>> student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away from food.
> But
>>>> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police
>>>> found
>>>> packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance believed to be
> an
>>>> explosive material, and think the student simply confused the packets.
>>>>
>>>> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing gum
>>>> was
>>>> covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to be
>>>> explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics lab did
>>>> not
>>>> have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
>>>>
>>>> Reader Comments:
>>>> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
>>>> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
>>>> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
>>>> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
>>>> "Doublemint Dumb"
>>>>
>>>>  Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
>>>>    VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Tue Jan 26 14:42:27 2010
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:42:27 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Food as propellant - was: Never mix chemicals and
	food	(another tip for EXers)
In-Reply-To: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E5751D082@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300444@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><61949969ED914143964D9AB4847676AA@LaptopKrausert><000601ca9d78$9a5f1780$cf1d4680$@com><185e2e8182ecba68c4d42a662d14bf75.squirrel@www.wa-net.com><45717541001260007q3446e082v8cfa6a37e22d9d7e@mail.gmail.com><004501ca9eca$c71476f0$553d64d0$@Dennis42@comcast.net><4B5F6B47.90703@hawkfeather.com>
	<0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E5751D082@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <E3F90295C6954FA38D0C3B0BDD775E3E@Mobile2>

We talked about making a bacon motor for morning launches. Fat should would
great as a fuel. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Krausert, Robert
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:35 PM
To: Andrew MacMillen; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Food as propellant - was: Never mix chemicals and
food (another tip for EXers)

I'd think Gummi Bears would clog the nozzle. Or as the rocket flies upward,
it's spitting out flaming little bears. Poor little bears. 

Cheers,
Robert 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:23 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Food as propellant - was: Never mix chemicals and
food (another tip for EXers)

AMROC did a salami hybrid back in the 80's and it's been successfully redone
repeatedly in test stands. Mythbusters tried and blew it twice. 
My favorite food fuel is a Gummi Bear hybrid.

Andrew.

Michael Dennis wrote:
> How about a Sausage Rocket - check this out:
> http://gofurther.utsi.edu/Projects/SausageRocket.htm
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Joe Bevier
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 12:07 AM
> To: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> EXers)
> 
> This has met thinking about food as propellant.  Has anyone ever tried 
> making a rocket motor powered by Mentos and Diet Coke? Not sure it 
> would blow the lower half of your face off but I'm not going to 
> swallow them at the same time. There's quite a reaction that makes me 
> wonder if it could be used like a high pressure water rockets. Look up 
> some of the online videos of this if you have not seen it before.  
> Maybe I'll whip something up for the next Ex launch.
> 
> -Strangely,
> Joe
> 
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:35 PM, <kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com> wrote:
> 
>> To be really fair, if you've been following economic trends then you 
>> know there are an awful lot of 25-year-olds living with their folks 
>> right here in the US.  But we're better off than the Ukraine: Most of 
>> our 25-year-olds living at home have already graduated from college.  
>> :-0
>>
>> But I wonder where he was getting his citric acid crystals.  Perhaps 
>> it was some guy at the chemical supply house who couldn't read the
labels.
>> Really bad luck...  Personally though, I suspect foul play.
>>
>> +McG+
>>
>>
>>> To be fair, the economy in the Ukraine being what it is, I suspect 
>>> many people live with their folks longer trhan we would expect over
here.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:
>> rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
>>> To: Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip 
>>> for
>>> EXers)
>>>
>>> Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched. 
>>> But thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a real
event.
>>> Somewhere in the Ukraine.
>>>
>>> I'm just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and
> still
>>> living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher 
>>> education takes time. But my reason for the comment, was this person 
>>> into other
>> chemicals,
>>> and thereby reducing his awareness to potential danger.
>>>
>>> "Mom! Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Robert
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Schurke, Peter" <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
>>> To: "NW Rocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip 
>>> for
>>> EXers)
>>>
>>>
>>>> As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this 
>>>> one until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong.
>>>>
>>>> There's not many things a student can get a hold of that both 
>>>> classify as shock sensitive explosives and have enough power in the 
>>>> amount of chemical that could transfer to a piece of gum to blow a 
>>>> person's head up.
>>>>
>>>> Most of the Darwin Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but 
>>>> fiction nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of them...
>>>>
>>>> Peter Schurke
>>>> Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace 
>>>> Sciences Academy Ingraham High School
>>>> 1819 N 135th St.
>>>> Seattle, WA  98133
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
>>>> Sent: Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
>>>> To: NW Rocketry
>>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>>>> EXers)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
>>>>  December 2009, Russia
>>>>
>>>> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the 
>>>> Kiev Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical 
>>>> experiment on himself with fatal results.
>>>>
>>>> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit 
>>>> of dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked, 
>>>> presumably to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer 
>>>> in his
> parents'
>>>> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by
> intention
>>>> or
>>>> inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified 
>>>> chemical and popped it back into his mouth.
>>>>
>>>> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said 
>>>> that.)
>>>>
>>>> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating
> near
>>>> chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a 
>>>> toxic liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>>>>
>>>> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at 
>>>> home, the student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away 
>>>> from food.
> But
>>>> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. 
>>>> Police found packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance 
>>>> believed to be
> an
>>>> explosive material, and think the student simply confused the packets.
>>>>
>>>> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing 
>>>> gum was covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to 
>>>> be explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics 
>>>> lab did not have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
>>>>
>>>> Reader Comments:
>>>> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
>>>> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
>>>> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
>>>> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
>>>> "Doublemint Dumb"
>>>>
>>>>  Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
>>>>    VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From t3tsolottsolo at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 16:34:09 2010
From: t3tsolottsolo at gmail.com (Tsolo Tsolo)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:34:09 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] CTI 24 mm
Message-ID: <987b3b041001261634m3cfc3053of4fe2cc24c3e41fb@mail.gmail.com>

I saw @ CTIs web site they will be offering 24 mm cases and loads.
Anybody know anything about it? Sun River Bob?

Does anyone have any info about CTI Imax propellant characteristics?

By the way I'll be out @ Bros starting Feb 10 smelling sage launching
rockets and hanging out. Come on out you Polar Bears!

From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org  Tue Jan 26 19:01:38 2010
From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (robert grossfeld)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:01:38 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] CTI 24 mm
In-Reply-To: <987b3b041001261634m3cfc3053of4fe2cc24c3e41fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <987b3b041001261634m3cfc3053of4fe2cc24c3e41fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP8017382320DCC94CDDBC90F45D0@phx.gbl>

24mm???
I will check on that!!!
How long are you at Brothers? Can we come out and fly rockets?????? I am game!!!

Bob Grossfeld- Observatory Manager
 
Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory
POB 3533, Sunriver, OR. 97707
Ph. 541-598-4406  Fax 541-593-5207
 
Inspire present and future generations to cherish and understand our natural world.



On Jan 26, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Tsolo Tsolo wrote:

> I saw @ CTIs web site they will be offering 24 mm cases and loads.
> Anybody know anything about it? Sun River Bob?
> 
> Does anyone have any info about CTI Imax propellant characteristics?
> 
> By the way I'll be out @ Bros starting Feb 10 smelling sage launching
> rockets and hanging out. Come on out you Polar Bears!
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 19:16:01 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:16:01 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] CTI 24 mm
References: <987b3b041001261634m3cfc3053of4fe2cc24c3e41fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP8017382320DCC94CDDBC90F45D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <519577FD79DC497889F0DDEF6C84471A@LaptopKrausert>

Tsolo, all,

Be sure you let Chris know your plans. Class 1 rockets if Chris is cool are 
ok. Since that isn't under the club. Any plans for class 2, please advise 
the BoD 7 days ahead of time, and you'll need to make the calls.

Wish I could be there. Will see you in May.

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert grossfeld" <rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org>
To: "nwrocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] CTI 24 mm


> 24mm???
> I will check on that!!!
> How long are you at Brothers? Can we come out and fly rockets?????? I am 
> game!!!
>
> Bob Grossfeld- Observatory Manager
>
> Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory
> POB 3533, Sunriver, OR. 97707
> Ph. 541-598-4406  Fax 541-593-5207
>
> Inspire present and future generations to cherish and understand our 
> natural world.
>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Tsolo Tsolo wrote:
>
>> I saw @ CTIs web site they will be offering 24 mm cases and loads.
>> Anybody know anything about it? Sun River Bob?
>>
>> Does anyone have any info about CTI Imax propellant characteristics?
>>
>> By the way I'll be out @ Bros starting Feb 10 smelling sage launching
>> rockets and hanging out. Come on out you Polar Bears!
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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>>
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Tue Jan 26 19:57:13 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:57:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24
In-Reply-To: <d1f5.da7aa5b.389085a5@aol.com>
References: <d1f5.da7aa5b.389085a5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9cba5f6ea5227553ccb5236305725356.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

Standard textbooks on explosives make it perfectly clear that HE compounds
exist which could appear as white or colorless, have enough
impact/friction stability to survive being transported to his house, and
still be sensitive enough to be initiated by two teeth coming together. 
Plausible physical models exist.

But...
The matter of how this student could have come into possession of any of
these compounds and been able to inadvertently dip his gum in the stuff is
indeed a stretch.

I mentioned picric acid simply because of the name similarity.  It seems
unlikely to be sensitive enough to be set off by two teeth crunching down
on it but according to my trusty old CRC Handbook can appear as colorless
crystals if produced from petroleum ether solution(it's normally yellow).

The plausible physical model is there.  The acquisition model is unknown.

For the doubting, think "Snap-its."
+McG+


> Please... there are some fundamental issues with this story, Kalamazoo  or
> Kiev.
> 1:  Most shock sensitive explosives, including ammonium  triiodide, are
> desensitized by moisture.
> 2:  Even if #1 isn't true, it would be his hand that he lost  dipping the
> gum.
> 3:  The impetus in a thin coating would be pretty low because of both  the
> mass and the poor shock    propagation properties.  If  we want to
> continue
> this thread, can we come up with a plausible model?   And, yes, there may
> be
> one, but I haven't seen it yet.
> -Robert
>
>
> In a message dated 1/25/2010 9:27:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> jhadv at pacifier.com writes:
>
> "As a  chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one
> until  I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong."
>
> Could have  been something as crude as ammonium triiodide.  Might have
> happened  but the gentleman in question obviously didn't take the time to
> read and  didn't know enough not to leave that stuff the Hades alone.  I
> would  call him a derogatory name impugning his intelligence but  that's
> unfair.  Often times people's luck just runs  bad.
>
> Besides, I'm being moderated for my rants against the  President.  I
> notice
> today where the so and so is proposing spending  freezes.  Defense gets a
> trillion a year plus at least two  supplemental appropriations a year for
> two wars, bankers get 3 trillion  cash in 18 months, health care oligarchs
> get a trillion over 10 years, must  not be as important as bankers I guess
> but I digress, and I get a spending  freeze.  Who do I thank?
>
>
>
>
>
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>>   1. Re: Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for  EXers)
>>       (Robert  Krausert)
>>
>>
>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>  Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:48:13 -0800
>> From: "Robert  Krausert" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>
>> To: "Scott Berfield"  <sb at berfield.com>,   "'Schurke, Peter'"
>>    <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>, "'NW Rocketry'"
>>    <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix  chemicals and food (another tip for
>>   EXers)
>>  Message-ID: <9C460594120E4C6086DA315D4D9A4641 at LaptopKrausert>
>>  Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;  charset="iso-8859-1";
>>   reply-type=original
>>
>>  Agreed Scott. Meant no offense by that. Absolutely not.
>>
>>  Cheers,
>> Robert
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:  "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>
>> To: "'Robert Krausert'"  <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>; "'Schurke, Peter'"
>>  <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>; "'NW Rocketry'"
>> <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:41  PM
>> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip  for
>> EXers)
>>
>>
>>> To be fair, the economy in the  Ukraine being what it is, I suspect
>>> many
>>> people live with their  folks longer trhan we would expect over here.
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>> From:  rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>>  [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Robert  Krausert
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
>>> To:  Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix  chemicals and food (another tip for
>>> EXers)
>>>
>>>  Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched.
> But
>>> thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a  real event.
>>> Somewhere in the Ukraine.
>>>
>>> I'm  just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and
>>>  still
>>> living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher  education
>>> takes
>>> time. But my reason for the comment,  was this person into other
>>> chemicals,
>>> and thereby  reducing his awareness to potential danger.
>>>
>>> "Mom!  Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>> Robert
>>> ----- Original Message  -----
>>> From: "Schurke, Peter"  <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
>>> To: "NW Rocketry"  <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41  PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another  tip for
>>> EXers)
>>>
>>>
>>>> As a  chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this
> one
>>>> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully  strong.
>>>>
>>>> There's not many things a student can  get a hold of that both
>>>> classify
>>>> as
>>>> shock  sensitive explosives and have enough power in the amount of
>>>>  chemical
>>>
>>>> that could transfer to a piece of gum to  blow a person's head up.
>>>>
>>>> Most of the Darwin  Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction
>>>>  nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of  them...
>>>>
>>>> Peter Schurke
>>>> Science  and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor
>>>> Ingraham Aerospace  Sciences Academy
>>>> Ingraham High School
>>>> 1819 N  135th St.
>>>> Seattle, WA   98133
>>>>
>>>>  ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From:  rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
>>>> Sent:  Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
>>>> To: NW Rocketry
>>>> Subject:  [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>>>>  EXers)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
>>>>   December 2009, Russia
>>>>
>>>> In a scientific quest  with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
>>>> Polytechnic  Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment
>>>> on
>>>>  himself with fatal results.
>>>>
>>>> This 25-year-old  chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
>>>> dipping  his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked,
>>>>  presumably
>>>> to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a  computer in his
>>>> parents'
>>>> house in the northern  Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by
>>>>  intention
>>>> or
>>>> inattention, the student dunked  his gum into an unidentified chemical
>>>> and
>>>>  popped it back into his mouth.
>>>>
>>>> A loud pop was  heard coming from his room. (Reports really said
>>>> that.)
>>>>
>>>> Every academic laboratory emphasizes  the importance of never eating
>>>> near
>>>> chemicals  because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
>>>>  liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>>>>
>>>>  Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at
> home,
>>>> the
>>>> student was well aware of the need  to keep chemicals away from food.
>>>> But
>>>> there he  was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police
>>>>  found
>>>> packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance  believed to be
>>>> an
>>>> explosive material, and  think the student simply confused the
>>>> packets.
>>>>
>>>>  A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing
>>>> gum
>>>> was
>>>> covered with an unidentified chemical  substance believed to be
>>>> explosive. At the time of the news  reports, the local forensics lab
>>>> did
>>>> not
>>>> have  the necessary equipment to identify the  substance.
>>>>
>>>> Reader Comments:
>>>>  "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
>>>> "New Chewing Gum Flavor:  Explosive"
>>>> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
>>>> "Must  have been one hell of a bubble."
>>>> "Doublemint  Dumb"
>>>>
>>>>  Reference: lenta.ru,  www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
>>>>    VOTE:  http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From greg at blastzone.com  Tue Jan 26 20:26:12 2010
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:26:12 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24
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	<1238.76.115.45.22.1264483604.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
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You haven't been on moderator mode for months, and the president (of what?)
had nothing to do with your being put there in the first place...

Greg

List admin

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of jhadv at pacifier.com
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:27 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24

"As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one
until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong."

Could have been something as crude as ammonium triiodide.  Might have
happened but the gentleman in question obviously didn't take the time to
read and didn't know enough not to leave that stuff the Hades alone.  I
would call him a derogatory name impugning his intelligence but that's
unfair.  Often times people's luck just runs bad.

Besides, I'm being moderated for my rants against the President.  I notice
today where the so and so is proposing spending freezes.  Defense gets a
trillion a year plus at least two supplemental appropriations a year for two
wars, bankers get 3 trillion cash in 18 months, health care oligarchs get a
trillion over 10 years, must not be as important as bankers I guess but I
digress, and I get a spending freeze.  Who do I thank?





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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:48:13 -0800
> From: "Robert Krausert" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>
> To: "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>,	"'Schurke, Peter'"
> 	<pmschurke at seattleschools.org>,	"'NW Rocketry'"
> 	<rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> 	EXers)
> Message-ID: <9C460594120E4C6086DA315D4D9A4641 at LaptopKrausert>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
>
> Agreed Scott. Meant no offense by that. Absolutely not.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>
> To: "'Robert Krausert'" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>; "'Schurke, Peter'"
> <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>; "'NW Rocketry'" 
> <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:41 PM
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> EXers)
>
>
>> To be fair, the economy in the Ukraine being what it is, I suspect 
>> many people live with their folks longer trhan we would expect over here.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
>> To: Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip 
>> for
>> EXers)
>>
>> Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched. 
>> But thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a real
event.
>> Somewhere in the Ukraine.
>>
>> I'm just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and 
>> still living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher 
>> education takes time. But my reason for the comment, was this person 
>> into other chemicals, and thereby reducing his awareness to potential 
>> danger.
>>
>> "Mom! Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Robert
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Schurke, Peter" <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
>> To: "NW Rocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip 
>> for
>> EXers)
>>
>>
>>> As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this 
>>> one until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong.
>>>
>>> There's not many things a student can get a hold of that both 
>>> classify as shock sensitive explosives and have enough power in the 
>>> amount of chemical
>>
>>> that could transfer to a piece of gum to blow a person's head up.
>>>
>>> Most of the Darwin Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction 
>>> nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of them...
>>>
>>> Peter Schurke
>>> Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace 
>>> Sciences Academy Ingraham High School
>>> 1819 N 135th St.
>>> Seattle, WA  98133
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
>>> Sent: Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
>>> To: NW Rocketry
>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>>> EXers)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
>>>  December 2009, Russia
>>>
>>> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev 
>>> Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment 
>>> on himself with fatal results.
>>>
>>> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit 
>>> of dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked, 
>>> presumably to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer 
>>> in his parents'
>>> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by 
>>> intention or inattention, the student dunked his gum into an 
>>> unidentified chemical and popped it back into his mouth.
>>>
>>> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said 
>>> that.)
>>>
>>> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating 
>>> near chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a 
>>> toxic liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>>>
>>> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at 
>>> home, the student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away 
>>> from food.
>>> But
>>> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police 
>>> found packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance 
>>> believed to be an explosive material, and think the student simply 
>>> confused the packets.
>>>
>>> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing 
>>> gum was covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to 
>>> be explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics 
>>> lab did not have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
>>>
>>> Reader Comments:
>>> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
>>> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
>>> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
>>> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
>>> "Doublemint Dumb"
>>>
>>>  Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
>>>    VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From appusher at q.com  Tue Jan 26 20:35:34 2010
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:35:34 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] CTI 24 mm
In-Reply-To: <987b3b041001261634m3cfc3053of4fe2cc24c3e41fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <987b3b041001261634m3cfc3053of4fe2cc24c3e41fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL111-W45B89C373AA4640ECBA3BEDC5D0@phx.gbl>


http://www.pro38.com/products/pro24

 

This would be the link to the Pro24's.  The page states that althou they are promoting these they are not yet available for shipping yet.

 

The 29's are out and I have witnessed them in flight at 60 Acres last Saturday by David Walp and his associate Ken.  We did discuss the pending Pro24's with interest.

Seems the Vista thing they call an operating system won't let me open the 3 photo pages of the Pro 24's.  Anyone else have any luck opening the photo pages?

 

Bill










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> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:34:09 -0700
> From: t3tsolottsolo at gmail.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] CTI 24 mm
> 
> I saw @ CTIs web site they will be offering 24 mm cases and loads.
> Anybody know anything about it? Sun River Bob?
> 
> Does anyone have any info about CTI Imax propellant characteristics?
> 
> By the way I'll be out @ Bros starting Feb 10 smelling sage launching
> rockets and hanging out. Come on out you Polar Bears!
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From daron at daronjohnson.com  Tue Jan 26 20:38:52 2010
From: daron at daronjohnson.com (Daron Johnson)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:38:52 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] [personal] Re:  CTI 24 mm
In-Reply-To: <COL111-W45B89C373AA4640ECBA3BEDC5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <987b3b041001261634m3cfc3053of4fe2cc24c3e41fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL111-W45B89C373AA4640ECBA3BEDC5D0@phx.gbl>
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That link did not work for me.. Here is the correct one I think

http://www.pro38.com/products/pro24/pro24.php


-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Bill Munds
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:36 PM
To: t3tsolottsolo at gmail.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [personal] Re: [RocketsNW] CTI 24 mm


http://www.pro38.com/products/pro24

 

This would be the link to the Pro24's.  The page states that althou they are
promoting these they are not yet available for shipping yet.

 

The 29's are out and I have witnessed them in flight at 60 Acres last
Saturday by David Walp and his associate Ken.  We did discuss the pending
Pro24's with interest.

Seems the Vista thing they call an operating system won't let me open the 3
photo pages of the Pro 24's.  Anyone else have any luck opening the photo
pages?

 

Bill










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> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:34:09 -0700
> From: t3tsolottsolo at gmail.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] CTI 24 mm
> 
> I saw @ CTIs web site they will be offering 24 mm cases and loads.
> Anybody know anything about it? Sun River Bob?
> 
> Does anyone have any info about CTI Imax propellant characteristics?
> 
> By the way I'll be out @ Bros starting Feb 10 smelling sage launching 
> rockets and hanging out. Come on out you Polar Bears!
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From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org  Tue Jan 26 21:08:36 2010
From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (robert grossfeld)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:08:36 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] [personal] Re:  CTI 24 mm
In-Reply-To: <000401ca9f0a$a1f83c90$e5e8b5b0$@daronjohnson.com>
References: <987b3b041001261634m3cfc3053of4fe2cc24c3e41fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL111-W45B89C373AA4640ECBA3BEDC5D0@phx.gbl>
	<000401ca9f0a$a1f83c90$e5e8b5b0$@daronjohnson.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP541E562D51A95B60EC821CF45D0@phx.gbl>

Yes, the link to three pages of photos does not work.
This motors should be available by the May launches, along with the new Aerotech 24mm which we expect any time

The 29's from CTI are a blast, and I have pretty much sold out of ( or I have used up!) what we had, and expect more shortly.
I am ready to fly more....... come on spring........

Bob Grossfeld- Observatory Manager
 
Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory
POB 3533, Sunriver, OR. 97707
Ph. 541-598-4406  Fax 541-593-5207
 
Inspire present and future generations to cherish and understand our natural world.



On Jan 26, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Daron Johnson wrote:

> That link did not work for me.. Here is the correct one I think
> 
> http://www.pro38.com/products/pro24/pro24.php
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Bill Munds
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:36 PM
> To: t3tsolottsolo at gmail.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [personal] Re: [RocketsNW] CTI 24 mm
> 
> 
> http://www.pro38.com/products/pro24
> 
> 
> 
> This would be the link to the Pro24's.  The page states that althou they are
> promoting these they are not yet available for shipping yet.
> 
> 
> 
> The 29's are out and I have witnessed them in flight at 60 Acres last
> Saturday by David Walp and his associate Ken.  We did discuss the pending
> Pro24's with interest.
> 
> Seems the Vista thing they call an operating system won't let me open the 3
> photo pages of the Pro 24's.  Anyone else have any luck opening the photo
> pages?
> 
> 
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> Join me
> 
> 
> 
>> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:34:09 -0700
>> From: t3tsolottsolo at gmail.com
>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] CTI 24 mm
>> 
>> I saw @ CTIs web site they will be offering 24 mm cases and loads.
>> Anybody know anything about it? Sun River Bob?
>> 
>> Does anyone have any info about CTI Imax propellant characteristics?
>> 
>> By the way I'll be out @ Bros starting Feb 10 smelling sage launching 
>> rockets and hanging out. Come on out you Polar Bears!
>> _______________________________________________
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Tue Jan 26 22:37:31 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:37:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
In-Reply-To: <45717541001260007q3446e082v8cfa6a37e22d9d7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <739099.46555.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300444@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<61949969ED914143964D9AB4847676AA@LaptopKrausert>
	<000601ca9d78$9a5f1780$cf1d4680$@com>
	<185e2e8182ecba68c4d42a662d14bf75.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
	<45717541001260007q3446e082v8cfa6a37e22d9d7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a0d3c860ca4f2b90554bb2f295397c47.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

The Mentos just drives the CO2 out of solution.  Similar effect and
performance as the old vinegar and baking soda trick but different
chemistry.

With the right oxidizer all kinds of foods can work as rocket fuel.  I
remember once way back when, during some NASA budget cuts, a commentator
mused that NASA ought to use butter instead of kerosene in rockets.  He
moaned that the farm lobby was a lot more powerful politically than NASA
supporters and that they'd lobby vigorously for a NASA that burned up
thousands of tons of butter every year!  And the weird part was,
performance-wise melted butter actually isn't too awful bad compared to
kerosene.

Occupying American troops supposedly drank up whole tank cars of V-2
fuel--we could've had NASA technicians spreading pilfered US rocket fuel
on their toast.  :)

And of course, don't forget sugar rockets!  Bon appetit!
+McG+


> This has met thinking about food as propellant.  Has anyone ever tried
> making a rocket motor powered by Mentos and
> Diet Coke? Not sure it would blow the lower half of your face off but I'm
> not going to swallow them at the same time. There's quite a reaction that
> makes me wonder if it could be used like a high pressure water rockets.
> Look
> up some of the online videos of this if you have not seen it before.
> Maybe
> I'll whip something up for the next Ex launch.
>
> -Strangely,
> Joe
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:35 PM, <kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com> wrote:
>
>> To be really fair, if you've been following economic trends then you
>> know
>> there are an awful lot of 25-year-olds living with their folks right
>> here
>> in the US.  But we're better off than the Ukraine: Most of our
>> 25-year-olds living at home have already graduated from college.  :-0
>>
>> But I wonder where he was getting his citric acid crystals.  Perhaps it
>> was some guy at the chemical supply house who couldn't read the labels.
>> Really bad luck...  Personally though, I suspect foul play.
>>
>> +McG+
>>
>>
>> > To be fair, the economy in the Ukraine being what it is, I suspect
>> many
>> > people live with their folks longer trhan we would expect over here.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:
>> rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> > On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
>> > To: Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
>> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>> > EXers)
>> >
>> > Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched.
>> But
>> > thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a real event.
>> > Somewhere in the Ukraine.
>> >
>> > I'm just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and
>> still
>> > living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher education
>> > takes
>> > time. But my reason for the comment, was this person into other
>> chemicals,
>> > and thereby reducing his awareness to potential danger.
>> >
>> > "Mom! Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Robert
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Schurke, Peter" <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
>> > To: "NW Rocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>> > EXers)
>> >
>> >
>> >> As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this
>> one
>> >> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong.
>> >>
>> >> There's not many things a student can get a hold of that both
>> classify
>> >> as
>> >> shock sensitive explosives and have enough power in the amount of
>> >> chemical
>> >
>> >> that could transfer to a piece of gum to blow a person's head up.
>> >>
>> >> Most of the Darwin Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction
>> >> nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of them...
>> >>
>> >> Peter Schurke
>> >> Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor
>> >> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>> >> Ingraham High School
>> >> 1819 N 135th St.
>> >> Seattle, WA  98133
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >>
>> >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
>> >> Sent: Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
>> >> To: NW Rocketry
>> >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
>> >> EXers)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
>> >>  December 2009, Russia
>> >>
>> >> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev
>> >> Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment
>> on
>> >> himself with fatal results.
>> >>
>> >> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit of
>> >> dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked,
>> >> presumably
>> >> to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer in his
>> parents'
>> >> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by
>> intention
>> >> or
>> >> inattention, the student dunked his gum into an unidentified chemical
>> >> and
>> >> popped it back into his mouth.
>> >>
>> >> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said
>> that.)
>> >>
>> >> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating
>> near
>> >> chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a toxic
>> >> liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
>> >>
>> >> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at
>> home,
>> >> the
>> >> student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away from food.
>> But
>> >> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police
>> >> found
>> >> packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance believed to be
>> an
>> >> explosive material, and think the student simply confused the
>> packets.
>> >>
>> >> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing
>> gum
>> >> was
>> >> covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to be
>> >> explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics lab
>> did
>> >> not
>> >> have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
>> >>
>> >> Reader Comments:
>> >> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
>> >> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
>> >> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
>> >> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
>> >> "Doublemint Dumb"
>> >>
>> >>  Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
>> >>    VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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From sb at berfield.com  Wed Jan 27 00:02:59 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:02:59 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
Message-ID: <001401ca9f27$247a82b0$6d6f8810$@com>

Any of you guys ever built a tube curing oven? I am looking for info on temp
control circuits.


From vincesimoneau at msn.com  Wed Jan 27 00:28:15 2010
From: vincesimoneau at msn.com (Vince Simoneau)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:28:15 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24
In-Reply-To: <05cb01ca9f08$dbfebce0$93fc36a0$@blastzone.com>
References: <mailman.5.1264449603.15657.rockets@rocketsnw.com>,
	<1238.76.115.45.22.1264483604.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>,
	<05cb01ca9f08$dbfebce0$93fc36a0$@blastzone.com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W368E0E21B72AC2FECA0ECCB55D0@phx.gbl>


WEEeeeeeewwwwwwww ! ! !

> From: greg at blastzone.com
> To: jhadv at pacifier.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:26:12 -0800
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24
> 
> You haven't been on moderator mode for months, and the president (of what?)
> had nothing to do with your being put there in the first place...
> 
> Greg
> 
> List admin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of jhadv at pacifier.com
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:27 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24
> 
> "As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this one
> until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong."
> 
> Could have been something as crude as ammonium triiodide.  Might have
> happened but the gentleman in question obviously didn't take the time to
> read and didn't know enough not to leave that stuff the Hades alone.  I
> would call him a derogatory name impugning his intelligence but that's
> unfair.  Often times people's luck just runs bad.
> 
> Besides, I'm being moderated for my rants against the President.  I notice
> today where the so and so is proposing spending freezes.  Defense gets a
> trillion a year plus at least two supplemental appropriations a year for two
> wars, bankers get 3 trillion cash in 18 months, health care oligarchs get a
> trillion over 10 years, must not be as important as bankers I guess but I
> digress, and I get a spending freeze.  Who do I thank?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> >    1. Re: Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
> >       (Robert Krausert)
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> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:48:13 -0800
> > From: "Robert Krausert" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>
> > To: "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>,	"'Schurke, Peter'"
> > 	<pmschurke at seattleschools.org>,	"'NW Rocketry'"
> > 	<rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> > 	EXers)
> > Message-ID: <9C460594120E4C6086DA315D4D9A4641 at LaptopKrausert>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > 	reply-type=original
> >
> > Agreed Scott. Meant no offense by that. Absolutely not.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Robert
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Berfield" <sb at berfield.com>
> > To: "'Robert Krausert'" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>; "'Schurke, Peter'"
> > <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>; "'NW Rocketry'" 
> > <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:41 PM
> > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> > EXers)
> >
> >
> >> To be fair, the economy in the Ukraine being what it is, I suspect 
> >> many people live with their folks longer trhan we would expect over here.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
> >> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:16 PM
> >> To: Schurke, Peter; NW Rocketry
> >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip 
> >> for
> >> EXers)
> >>
> >> Urban Legends gives this a green light. Agreed as seems far fetched. 
> >> But thus far, sources on Al Gores internets all show this as a real
> event.
> >> Somewhere in the Ukraine.
> >>
> >> I'm just needing to ask, why still a student at 25 years of age and 
> >> still living at home. Now no offense anyone. I realize the higher 
> >> education takes time. But my reason for the comment, was this person 
> >> into other chemicals, and thereby reducing his awareness to potential 
> >> danger.
> >>
> >> "Mom! Ricky blew his head off again. Bring the mop,"
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Robert
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Schurke, Peter" <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
> >> To: "NW Rocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip 
> >> for
> >> EXers)
> >>
> >>
> >>> As a chemist, I'm going to hold off on my urge to call B.S. on this 
> >>> one until I've done more research, but the urge is awfully strong.
> >>>
> >>> There's not many things a student can get a hold of that both 
> >>> classify as shock sensitive explosives and have enough power in the 
> >>> amount of chemical
> >>
> >>> that could transfer to a piece of gum to blow a person's head up.
> >>>
> >>> Most of the Darwin Awards are apocryphal--funny as hell, but fiction 
> >>> nonetheless.  I STRONGLY suspect this is one of them...
> >>>
> >>> Peter Schurke
> >>> Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace 
> >>> Sciences Academy Ingraham High School
> >>> 1819 N 135th St.
> >>> Seattle, WA  98133
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>>
> >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Robert Nech
> >>> Sent: Sun 1/24/2010 6:05 PM
> >>> To: NW Rocketry
> >>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
> >>> EXers)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> DOUBLEMINT DUMB -- Darwin Award -- NEW WINNER 2009!
> >>>  December 2009, Russia
> >>>
> >>> In a scientific quest with unknown objectives, a student of the Kiev 
> >>> Polytechnic Institute inadvertently performed a chemical experiment 
> >>> on himself with fatal results.
> >>>
> >>> This 25-year-old chemistry student had acquired the peculiar habit 
> >>> of dipping his chewing gum in citric acid crystals while he worked, 
> >>> presumably to add a zesty flavor. He was hunched over at a computer 
> >>> in his parents'
> >>> house in the northern Ukraine city of Konotop when, whether by 
> >>> intention or inattention, the student dunked his gum into an 
> >>> unidentified chemical and popped it back into his mouth.
> >>>
> >>> A loud pop was heard coming from his room. (Reports really said 
> >>> that.)
> >>>
> >>> Every academic laboratory emphasizes the importance of never eating 
> >>> near chemicals because it is easy to confuse a tasty beverage with a 
> >>> toxic liquid, or salt your salad with arsenic.
> >>>
> >>> Putting aside the question of what he was doing with chemicals at 
> >>> home, the student was well aware of the need to keep chemicals away 
> >>> from food.
> >>> But
> >>> there he was, deceased, the lower part of his face blown off. Police 
> >>> found packets of citric acid and a similar-looking substance 
> >>> believed to be an explosive material, and think the student simply 
> >>> confused the packets.
> >>>
> >>> A forensic examination established that the remains of the chewing 
> >>> gum was covered with an unidentified chemical substance believed to 
> >>> be explosive. At the time of the news reports, the local forensics 
> >>> lab did not have the necessary equipment to identify the substance.
> >>>
> >>> Reader Comments:
> >>> "Blowing the ultimate bubble."
> >>> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive"
> >>> "Chin up, old chap, by gum."
> >>> "Must have been one hell of a bubble."
> >>> "Doublemint Dumb"
> >>>
> >>>  Reference: lenta.ru, www.en.rian.ru, RIA Novosti, etc.
> >>>    VOTE: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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From vonrang at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 27 06:20:37 2010
From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:20:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
In-Reply-To: <001401ca9f27$247a82b0$6d6f8810$@com>
Message-ID: <619778.35339.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Look for used laboratory equipment, specifically clinical lab equipment. I have used a lab incubator as a curing oven for 5 years. They offer excellent temp control & monitoring and are about the size of a large mini-fridge. They usually come with a clear door (poly or tempered glass). I bought mine for $125.00.

Sam Grado
TRA L2

"If you're going to build it, build it from scratch"!

sales at pvconly.com
http://www.pvconly.com
http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html
http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets

--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Scott Berfield <sb at berfield.com> wrote:


From: Scott Berfield <sb at berfield.com>
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
To: "'NW Rocketry'" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 2:02 AM


Any of you guys ever built a tube curing oven? I am looking for info on temp
control circuits.

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From greg at bigredbee.com  Wed Jan 27 06:43:39 2010
From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:43:39 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
In-Reply-To: <619778.35339.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <001401ca9f27$247a82b0$6d6f8810$@com>
	<619778.35339.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bf3fe8021001270643l1063e569t4b33956f55284bad@mail.gmail.com>

I used a temperature switch that I got at the local appliance repair
shop.  I think they're used to turn on and off the heat in things like
clothes dryers.

Like this: http://www.thermodisc.com/productdetail.asp?ProductID=17

Or you could build this!!!

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=81

-- Greg

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Sam Grado <vonrang at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Look for used laboratory equipment, specifically clinical lab equipment. I have used a lab incubator as a curing oven for 5 years. They offer excellent temp control & monitoring and are about the size of a large mini-fridge. They usually come with a clear door (poly or tempered glass). I bought mine for $125.00.
>
> Sam Grado
> TRA L2
>
> "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch"!
>
> sales at pvconly.com
> http://www.pvconly.com
> http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html
> http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets
>
> --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Scott Berfield <sb at berfield.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Scott Berfield <sb at berfield.com>
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
> To: "'NW Rocketry'" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 2:02 AM
>
>
> Any of you guys ever built a tube curing oven? I am looking for info on temp
> control circuits.
>
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From MartyWeiser at comcast.net  Wed Jan 27 07:16:14 2010
From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty Weiser)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:16:14 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
In-Reply-To: <001401ca9f27$247a82b0$6d6f8810$@com>
References: <001401ca9f27$247a82b0$6d6f8810$@com>
Message-ID: <002601ca9f63$ab7f0f10$027d2d30$@net>

Scott,

I just adjust the heat source and any venting to get the temperature I want
in mine.  1" foil faced foam panels that are held together enough to not
fall apart and a 300W light bulb gives about 150F in a 2' x 2'x 4' oven.
Taping the seams and weighting the lid would increase that a fair bit as
would using 2" thick foam.  But it would be harder to break down and store.

Marty

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From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:03 AM
To: 'NW Rocketry'
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven

Any of you guys ever built a tube curing oven? I am looking for info on temp
control circuits.

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From rnech at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 27 07:50:58 2010
From: rnech at yahoo.com (Robert Nech)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:50:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's plans to return to the Moon are dead
Message-ID: <333687.61639.qm@web111412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/os-no-moon-for-nasa-20100126,0,2770904.story


      

From sb at berfield.com  Wed Jan 27 08:22:24 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:22:24 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's plans to return to the Moon are dead
In-Reply-To: <333687.61639.qm@web111412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <333687.61639.qm@web111412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003101ca9f6c$e9825e80$bc871b80$@com>

As much as a space junkie as I am, and as badly as I want to see us go back
to the moon, I do think we have better places to spend the money these days
-- and anything that helps jump start the private sector for regular lifts
and gets NASA focusing on science I am for. 

But I sure would love to see a full ARES V launch. 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Nech
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:51 AM
To: NW Rocketry
Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's plans to return to the Moon are dead

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/os-no-moon-for-nasa-20100126,0,277
0904.story


      
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From absworld at cet.com  Wed Jan 27 08:37:23 2010
From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:37:23 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
In-Reply-To: <001401ca9f27$247a82b0$6d6f8810$@com>
References: <001401ca9f27$247a82b0$6d6f8810$@com>
Message-ID: <020f01ca9f6f$01f83370$05e89a50$@com>

I used 1" foil covered foam to make an oven 2' X 2' X 6' then added a 'milk
house' style heater that has a built in (but uncalibrated) thermostat.
While temperature comes up fast, it takes me about 10-15 minutes of fiddling
to adjust the thermostat to achieve any particular stable temperature (max
is about 180 deg F).

Bob Yanecek




-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:03 AM
To: 'NW Rocketry'
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven

Any of you guys ever built a tube curing oven? I am looking for info on temp
control circuits.

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From brodwcjj at integrity.com  Wed Jan 27 09:11:48 2010
From: brodwcjj at integrity.com (brodwcjj at integrity.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:11:48 -0600
Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1966.1264580909.2047.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
References: <mailman.1966.1264580909.2047.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <d710c1dbb4826926db5608b063e9307e.squirrel@wm.integrity.com>

I sprinkle a little of my rocket fuel in my coffee every morning.
Sorbitol sweetner.   Actually a mix of sorbitol, xylitol, and erythritol
to keep my stomach from growling.
Heck if I don't get my potassium in a banana I could nibble a little of my
oxidizer  saltpetre.    I do put the propellant scraps in the tomato
planters, works great.
Dustin
NAR2-BAR-TRA

Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
        EXers)


The Mentos just drives the CO2 out of solution.  Similar effect and
performance as the old vinegar and baking soda trick but different
chemistry.
<snip>
Occupying American troops supposedly drank up whole tank cars of V-2
fuel--we could've had NASA technicians spreading pilfered US rocket fuel
on their toast.  :)

And of course, don't forget sugar rockets!  Bon appetit!
+McG+



From rnech at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 27 09:24:35 2010
From: rnech at yahoo.com (Robert Nech)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:24:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
In-Reply-To: <d710c1dbb4826926db5608b063e9307e.squirrel@wm.integrity.com>
Message-ID: <500720.36712.qm@web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

You forgot KNO3 and Sugar!
?
robert

--- On Wed, 1/27/10, brodwcjj at integrity.com <brodwcjj at integrity.com> wrote:


From: brodwcjj at integrity.com <brodwcjj at integrity.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 9:11 AM


I sprinkle a little of my rocket fuel in my coffee every morning.
Sorbitol sweetner.???Actually a mix of sorbitol, xylitol, and erythritol
to keep my stomach from growling.
Heck if I don't get my potassium in a banana I could nibble a little of my
oxidizer? saltpetre.? ? I do put the propellant scraps in the tomato
planters, works great.
Dustin
NAR2-BAR-TRA

Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
? ? ? ? EXers)


The Mentos just drives the CO2 out of solution.? Similar effect and
performance as the old vinegar and baking soda trick but different
chemistry.
<snip>
Occupying American troops supposedly drank up whole tank cars of V-2
fuel--we could've had NASA technicians spreading pilfered US rocket fuel
on their toast.? :)

And of course, don't forget sugar rockets!? Bon appetit!
+McG+


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From greg at blastzone.com  Wed Jan 27 09:30:31 2010
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:30:31 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
In-Reply-To: <020f01ca9f6f$01f83370$05e89a50$@com>
References: <001401ca9f27$247a82b0$6d6f8810$@com>
	<020f01ca9f6f$01f83370$05e89a50$@com>
Message-ID: <009101ca9f76$6daafc40$4900f4c0$@blastzone.com>

My favorite setup was the guy's who took a standard electric oven, then
added a fan and a foam box on the front.  Automatic thermostat, as well as
timer.  If you have the space and a 220v outlet, you can find old electric
ovens for free or close.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Bob & Ann Yanecek
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:37 AM
To: 'NW Rocketry'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Curing oven

I used 1" foil covered foam to make an oven 2' X 2' X 6' then added a 'milk
house' style heater that has a built in (but uncalibrated) thermostat.
While temperature comes up fast, it takes me about 10-15 minutes of fiddling
to adjust the thermostat to achieve any particular stable temperature (max
is about 180 deg F).

Bob Yanecek




-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:03 AM
To: 'NW Rocketry'
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven

Any of you guys ever built a tube curing oven? I am looking for info on temp
control circuits.

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From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Wed Jan 27 11:02:36 2010
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:02:36 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
In-Reply-To: <020f01ca9f6f$01f83370$05e89a50$@com>
References: <001401ca9f27$247a82b0$6d6f8810$@com>
	<020f01ca9f6f$01f83370$05e89a50$@com>
Message-ID: <4B608DCC.4030500@hawkfeather.com>

I did pretty much the same, but over the top, and longer for hybrids ;) 
I thought I'd shared this back when, but don't see it.

http://www.macmillen.com/rocketry/cure_oven/

Andrew.

Bob & Ann Yanecek wrote:
> I used 1" foil covered foam to make an oven 2' X 2' X 6' then added a 'milk
> house' style heater that has a built in (but uncalibrated) thermostat.
> While temperature comes up fast, it takes me about 10-15 minutes of fiddling
> to adjust the thermostat to achieve any particular stable temperature (max
> is about 180 deg F).
> 
> Bob Yanecek
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:03 AM
> To: 'NW Rocketry'
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
> 
> Any of you guys ever built a tube curing oven? I am looking for info on temp
> control circuits.

From greg at blastzone.com  Wed Jan 27 13:17:15 2010
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:17:15 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
In-Reply-To: <4B608DCC.4030500@hawkfeather.com>
References: <001401ca9f27$247a82b0$6d6f8810$@com>	<020f01ca9f6f$01f83370$05e89a50$@com>
	<4B608DCC.4030500@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <00ec01ca9f96$19d523f0$4d7f6bd0$@blastzone.com>

Is 170 hot enough?  The epoxy I have wants a post cure to 250, but maybe I
just have something weird...

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:03 AM
To: 'NW Rocketry'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Curing oven

I did pretty much the same, but over the top, and longer for hybrids ;) I
thought I'd shared this back when, but don't see it.

http://www.macmillen.com/rocketry/cure_oven/

Andrew.

Bob & Ann Yanecek wrote:
> I used 1" foil covered foam to make an oven 2' X 2' X 6' then added a 
> 'milk house' style heater that has a built in (but uncalibrated)
thermostat.
> While temperature comes up fast, it takes me about 10-15 minutes of 
> fiddling to adjust the thermostat to achieve any particular stable 
> temperature (max is about 180 deg F).
> 
> Bob Yanecek
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:03 AM
> To: 'NW Rocketry'
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
> 
> Any of you guys ever built a tube curing oven? I am looking for info 
> on temp control circuits.
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From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Wed Jan 27 13:56:40 2010
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:56:40 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
In-Reply-To: <00ec01ca9f96$19d523f0$4d7f6bd0$@blastzone.com>
References: <001401ca9f27$247a82b0$6d6f8810$@com>	<020f01ca9f6f$01f83370$05e89a50$@com>	<4B608DCC.4030500@hawkfeather.com>
	<00ec01ca9f96$19d523f0$4d7f6bd0$@blastzone.com>
Message-ID: <4B60B698.5090705@hawkfeather.com>

I use System Three T88 general purpose epoxy. I cure it at at 90F, which 
will cure in 3 hours but I usually stop at 2. Once my air frame section 
section is done, I post-cure at 120 for 1 hour to finish all the 
cross-linking, and maybe some inter-layer bonding. T88 has a max service 
temp of 160F, so I stay well below that to prevent de-linking.

System Three & West Systems are both marine oriented, so are lower temp 
than Aeropoxy. It's 'glass' temp is around 200F, so even it shouldn't go 
over 150F where it looses 90% of it's strength. I think some of that may 
be recovered when cooled.

High temp special epoxies like the one ShadowAero used to carry, prepreg 
cloth, etc are a whole different story.

Andrew.

Greg Deputy wrote:
> Is 170 hot enough?  The epoxy I have wants a post cure to 250, but maybe I
> just have something weird...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:03 AM
> To: 'NW Rocketry'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
> 
> I did pretty much the same, but over the top, and longer for hybrids ;) I
> thought I'd shared this back when, but don't see it.
> 
> http://www.macmillen.com/rocketry/cure_oven/
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> Bob & Ann Yanecek wrote:
>> I used 1" foil covered foam to make an oven 2' X 2' X 6' then added a 
>> 'milk house' style heater that has a built in (but uncalibrated)
> thermostat.
>> While temperature comes up fast, it takes me about 10-15 minutes of 
>> fiddling to adjust the thermostat to achieve any particular stable 
>> temperature (max is about 180 deg F).
>>
>> Bob Yanecek
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:03 AM
>> To: 'NW Rocketry'
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
>>
>> Any of you guys ever built a tube curing oven? I am looking for info 
>> on temp control circuits.
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From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Wed Jan 27 14:17:18 2010
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:17:18 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
In-Reply-To: <4B60B698.5090705@hawkfeather.com>
References: <001401ca9f27$247a82b0$6d6f8810$@com>	<020f01ca9f6f$01f83370$05e89a50$@com>	<4B608DCC.4030500@hawkfeather.com>	<00ec01ca9f96$19d523f0$4d7f6bd0$@blastzone.com>
	<4B60B698.5090705@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <4B60BB6E.8080603@hawkfeather.com>

One other note: elevated temps don't allow as much penetration. That's 
not so critical if you're laminating over peeled cardboard or making 
standalone composite tubes. But it is a factor for bond strength at 
centering rings, fin roots, couplers, etc. where 75-80F for the initial 
cure might be better.

Andrew.

Andrew MacMillen wrote:
> I use System Three T88 general purpose epoxy. I cure it at at 90F, which 
> will cure in 3 hours but I usually stop at 2. Once my air frame section 
> section is done, I post-cure at 120 for 1 hour to finish all the 
> cross-linking, and maybe some inter-layer bonding. T88 has a max service 
> temp of 160F, so I stay well below that to prevent de-linking.
> 
> System Three & West Systems are both marine oriented, so are lower temp 
> than Aeropoxy. It's 'glass' temp is around 200F, so even it shouldn't go 
> over 150F where it looses 90% of it's strength. I think some of that may 
> be recovered when cooled.
> 
> High temp special epoxies like the one ShadowAero used to carry, prepreg 
> cloth, etc are a whole different story.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> Greg Deputy wrote:
>> Is 170 hot enough?  The epoxy I have wants a post cure to 250, but 
>> maybe I
>> just have something weird...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:03 AM
>> To: 'NW Rocketry'
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
>>
>> I did pretty much the same, but over the top, and longer for hybrids ;) I
>> thought I'd shared this back when, but don't see it.
>>
>> http://www.macmillen.com/rocketry/cure_oven/
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>> Bob & Ann Yanecek wrote:
>>> I used 1" foil covered foam to make an oven 2' X 2' X 6' then added a 
>>> 'milk house' style heater that has a built in (but uncalibrated)
>> thermostat.
>>> While temperature comes up fast, it takes me about 10-15 minutes of 
>>> fiddling to adjust the thermostat to achieve any particular stable 
>>> temperature (max is about 180 deg F).
>>>
>>> Bob Yanecek
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:03 AM
>>> To: 'NW Rocketry'
>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
>>>
>>> Any of you guys ever built a tube curing oven? I am looking for info 
>>> on temp control circuits.
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From robert.krausert at intel.com  Wed Jan 27 14:27:23 2010
From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:27:23 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
In-Reply-To: <4B60B698.5090705@hawkfeather.com>
References: <001401ca9f27$247a82b0$6d6f8810$@com>
	<020f01ca9f6f$01f83370$05e89a50$@com>	<4B608DCC.4030500@hawkfeather.com>
	<00ec01ca9f96$19d523f0$4d7f6bd0$@blastzone.com>
	<4B60B698.5090705@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E5751DAE8@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>

Captured the discussion. Hope no one is offended. Seemed like a lot of good tips and refernces.

http://rocketsnw.com/?page_id=1901

Cheers,
Robert 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:57 PM
To: 'NW Rocketry'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Curing oven

I use System Three T88 general purpose epoxy. I cure it at at 90F, which 
will cure in 3 hours but I usually stop at 2. Once my air frame section 
section is done, I post-cure at 120 for 1 hour to finish all the 
cross-linking, and maybe some inter-layer bonding. T88 has a max service 
temp of 160F, so I stay well below that to prevent de-linking.

System Three & West Systems are both marine oriented, so are lower temp 
than Aeropoxy. It's 'glass' temp is around 200F, so even it shouldn't go 
over 150F where it looses 90% of it's strength. I think some of that may 
be recovered when cooled.

High temp special epoxies like the one ShadowAero used to carry, prepreg 
cloth, etc are a whole different story.

Andrew.

Greg Deputy wrote:
> Is 170 hot enough?  The epoxy I have wants a post cure to 250, but maybe I
> just have something weird...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:03 AM
> To: 'NW Rocketry'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
> 
> I did pretty much the same, but over the top, and longer for hybrids ;) I
> thought I'd shared this back when, but don't see it.
> 
> http://www.macmillen.com/rocketry/cure_oven/
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> Bob & Ann Yanecek wrote:
>> I used 1" foil covered foam to make an oven 2' X 2' X 6' then added a 
>> 'milk house' style heater that has a built in (but uncalibrated)
> thermostat.
>> While temperature comes up fast, it takes me about 10-15 minutes of 
>> fiddling to adjust the thermostat to achieve any particular stable 
>> temperature (max is about 180 deg F).
>>
>> Bob Yanecek
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:03 AM
>> To: 'NW Rocketry'
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Curing oven
>>
>> Any of you guys ever built a tube curing oven? I am looking for info 
>> on temp control circuits.
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From tim_ryerse at msn.com  Wed Jan 27 17:15:01 2010
From: tim_ryerse at msn.com (MARY ANNE RYESE, TIM RYERSE)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:15:01 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Moon mission gone
Message-ID: <SNT106-W273578A4F0AB28D26CBED3E05C0@phx.gbl>


Well the Chinese may actually go the the Moon and beyond, but we can still play with our iphones and go to the movies and pretend we're space explorers. 
This is probably an industry better left to the private sector anyway, where some real innovation from the minds of people like ourselves. How many 'O' motors does it take to put an RV in low orbit?

Tim Ryerse TRA #5796 :-)

 		 	   		  

From rod at whippetfield.com  Wed Jan 27 17:42:36 2010
From: rod at whippetfield.com (Rod)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:42:36 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Moon mission gone
References: <SNT106-W273578A4F0AB28D26CBED3E05C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <57B95418CFB640A38D2B7211D5AE1283@DANE>


  " How many 'O' motors does it take to put an RV in low orbit?"

  Mell Brooks already did that, see "Spaceballs"  In fact they went well beyond low orbit to "ludicrous speed" !

  Rod M.

         
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 17:52:59 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:52:59 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Moon mission gone
References: <SNT106-W273578A4F0AB28D26CBED3E05C0@phx.gbl>
	<57B95418CFB640A38D2B7211D5AE1283@DANE>
Message-ID: <C85879463E264605A533BB2EB34DE2B8@LaptopKrausert>

Sir, we are about to jump to rediculous speed. Maybe you should buckle up?

No sir. That's the Mr Coffee. This is Radar.

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rod" <rod at whippetfield.com>
To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Moon mission gone


>
>  " How many 'O' motors does it take to put an RV in low orbit?"
>
>  Mell Brooks already did that, see "Spaceballs"  In fact they went well 
> beyond low orbit to "ludicrous speed" !
>
>  Rod M.
>
>
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From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Wed Jan 27 19:14:41 2010
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:14:41 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Moon mission gone
In-Reply-To: <SNT106-W273578A4F0AB28D26CBED3E05C0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT106-W273578A4F0AB28D26CBED3E05C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B610121.5050507@hawkfeather.com>

iPhone, shmipone. Now we can have our iPads!

And this is all it takes to power a Winnebago:
http://www.rocketreviews.com/reviews/all/drake_winnie.shtml

Andrew.

MARY ANNE RYESE, TIM RYERSE wrote:
> Well the Chinese may actually go the the Moon and beyond, but we can still play with our iphones and go to the movies and pretend we're space explorers. 
> This is probably an industry better left to the private sector anyway, where some real innovation from the minds of people like ourselves. How many 'O' motors does it take to put an RV in low orbit?
> 
> Tim Ryerse TRA #5796 :-)
> 
>  		 	   		  
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 20:05:34 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:05:34 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] CTI 24 mm
Message-ID: <EEF085F15659492D92FB73CA2B97739C@LaptopKrausert>

Folks,
Need to make one clarification. Regarding use of the site Chris and Jane 
have outsite OROC operations has nothing to involved OROC. That would be 
purely between you and the land owners.

However if you're planning to use OROCs waiver to fly class 2 rockets, then 
I want you to notify the BoD in advance. If you've got your own waiver, then 
no need to notify us. Since that's outside the club.

Thanks John for questioning my original statemeny.

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Krausert" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>
To: "robert grossfeld" <rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org>; "nwrocketry" 
<rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] CTI 24 mm


> Tsolo, all,
>
> Be sure you let Chris know your plans. Class 1 rockets if Chris is cool 
> are ok. Since that isn't under the club. Any plans for class 2, please 
> advise the BoD 7 days ahead of time, and you'll need to make the calls.
>
> Wish I could be there. Will see you in May.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "robert grossfeld" <rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org>
> To: "nwrocketry" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] CTI 24 mm
>
>
>> 24mm???
>> I will check on that!!!
>> How long are you at Brothers? Can we come out and fly rockets?????? I am 
>> game!!!
>>
>> Bob Grossfeld- Observatory Manager
>>
>> Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory
>> POB 3533, Sunriver, OR. 97707
>> Ph. 541-598-4406  Fax 541-593-5207
>>
>> Inspire present and future generations to cherish and understand our 
>> natural world.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Tsolo Tsolo wrote:
>>
>>> I saw @ CTIs web site they will be offering 24 mm cases and loads.
>>> Anybody know anything about it? Sun River Bob?
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any info about CTI Imax propellant characteristics?
>>>
>>> By the way I'll be out @ Bros starting Feb 10 smelling sage launching
>>> rockets and hanging out. Come on out you Polar Bears!
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Wed Jan 27 20:58:41 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:58:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's plans to return to the Moon are dead
In-Reply-To: <333687.61639.qm@web111412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <333687.61639.qm@web111412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1756c35306b720060e5688a95289478b.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

"NASA has already spent more than $3 billion on Ares I and more than $5
billion on the rest of Constellation."

$8 billion and so far one measly one-stage test bed launch.  That's
EXACTLY why Ares needs to be euthanized.

Now, what kind of results do you suppose SpaceX could get for that kind of
money?  Bigelow?  The two together?

I'm sorry, NASA has become a Brontosaurus in an age of fast, furry mammals.
+McG+


> http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/os-no-moon-for-nasa-20100126,0,2770904.story
>
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From jhadv at pacifier.com  Wed Jan 27 21:05:58 2010
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 33
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1976.1264648489.2047.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
References: <mailman.1976.1264648489.2047.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <3551.76.115.45.22.1264655158.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>

"Well the Chinese may actually go the the Moon and beyond, but we can
still play with our iphones and go to the movies and pretend we're space
explorers."

Not to be offensive, or off topic, but it is.  Look at the facts.  The
bankers get $3.2 Tr cash in 18 months.  The defense establishment gets a
base $1.0 Tr a year plus two supplemental appropriations for Afpac.  The
health care oligarchs get $1.0 T over ten years.  And we, you and me, what
do we get?  A spending freeze.

Faced with substantially the identical situation in 1932 FDR remarked in
his State of The Union Address, "We have always known that heedless
self-interest was bad morals; we now know that it is bad economics."  Then
he proceeded to correct the deficiencies in law that allowed that bad
behavior.  That was then this is now.  So what do we get with this
perfidious punk?  A spending freeze.  I am so offended I can not contain
myself.  I apologize but were all in for the high hard one while the
bankers take home their hundreds of millions.   For the record, I am a
Movement Progressive, a.k.a. commie pinko ("Would you believe this man has
gone as far as tearing Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars, he even
voted for George McGovern for President."), and I really dislike this guy.



From Simpsonclark at aol.com  Wed Jan 27 21:57:07 2010
From: Simpsonclark at aol.com (Simpsonclark at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:57:07 EST
Subject: [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for EXers)
Message-ID: <4aafa.4fb833b6.38928133@aol.com>

Ok, so you dose yourself daily with saltpeter.  I'm not going to touch  
that line with a five foot Pole, even if his name is Roman Polanski.
 
 
In a message dated 1/27/2010 9:12:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
brodwcjj at integrity.com writes:

I  sprinkle a little of my rocket fuel in my coffee every morning.
Sorbitol  sweetner.   Actually a mix of sorbitol, xylitol, and  erythritol
to keep my stomach from growling.
Heck if I don't get my  potassium in a banana I could nibble a little of my
oxidizer   saltpetre.    I do put the propellant scraps in the  tomato
planters, works great.
Dustin
NAR2-BAR-TRA

Subject: Re:  [RocketsNW] Never mix chemicals and food (another tip for
EXers)


The Mentos just drives the CO2 out of  solution.  Similar effect and
performance as the old vinegar and  baking soda trick but different
chemistry.
<snip>
Occupying  American troops supposedly drank up whole tank cars of V-2
fuel--we  could've had NASA technicians spreading pilfered US rocket fuel
on their  toast.  :)

And of course, don't forget sugar rockets!  Bon  appetit!
+McG+


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From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org  Wed Jan 27 22:01:16 2010
From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (robert grossfeld)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:01:16 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Sunriver CTI update........... and upcoming Electronics
	update.......
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP968765A4F7B28A5A39ADADF45C0@phx.gbl>

OK folks,
I have had some calls and emails over the last couple of days, regarding CTI.

Let me give you a current update

We have a order in house with CTI for a bunch of 29 and 38mm reloads.

However, CTI has announced a 29mm hardware a Pro29 starter kit ( $50), and there has been talk of the skidmark motors going away.

I did talk to CTI today, and discussed the skidmark issue, and they do not feel it is going to be a issue. The 24mm will not be on the current order, but we expect that to be announced soon, and we hope to have stock for the May/June launches. IF you are interested in the new starter kits, order them ASAP, as they will go fast. I have not confirmed delivery time on those yet. Expect to see more information released on CTI products shortly.

You may of noticed that we do not offer any discount on CTI reloads, and that is due to the cost of shipping them in from Canada. That has not changed, so we are not currently offering any special deals. However, read more below.

So here is the deal, we have motors on the current order, some that are for stock, some for ME, and some for customers. If you are interested in getting some of the CTI reloads and hardware at this time, please let me know. You can reserve you order via a pre-payment, and those motors will be held for you. If you are thinking of stocking up, then let me know what you are thinking and I will give you the best price I can, but your order would have to exceed $500 retail for you to get a discount. The more you buy, the bigger the discount. We expect to see a new price list by the weekend, which may also include some AMW reloads. If you are interested in getting in on the current order, you must let me know by the end of the month. CTI claims they will ship to us in two weeks, but please allow four, as they take time to get across the border. Payment can be made by credit card or paypal, and if you have done business with us in the past, checks work fine. Delivery will be made at a launch, or by special arrangements, and the small G motors can be mailed via ground. 

This will not be the last CTI order prior to the May launches, which includes FITS and OROC launches. We are also planning on making a delivery of reloads prior to the March WAC launch.

OK, email me if you have any questions regarding CTI stuff,

Let's talk about electronics. Many of you are aware that we carry Perfectflite, Transolve, G-wiz and ART electronics. I have been looking for something different for a couple of my own projects, as I like to see a display on my altimeter. I am proud to announce that we are now going to be stocking MARSA 4 flight computers for $225. I am very excited about flying these in my projects, and I have heard good things, and we have some units coming in the next couple of weeks.

Check them out at http://www.marsa4.com/home/

Last but not least, we will be having a sale on a few items, including electronics, CTI reloads and few other surprises..........  Some will be in limited supply, so act fast when you see the news!

Thanks, and look forward to flying soon.
Enjoy,

Bob
Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory

http://www.rocketryshop.org/

yes, look for something here soon...................






Bob Grossfeld- Observatory Manager
 
Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory
POB 3533, Sunriver, OR. 97707
Ph. 541-598-4406  Fax 541-593-5207
 
Inspire present and future generations to cherish and understand our natural world.




From Mfreptiles at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 08:53:30 2010
From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:53:30 EST
Subject: [RocketsNW] Sunriver CTI update........... and upcoming
	Electronics updat...
Message-ID: <a9e4.50383073.38931b0a@aol.com>

I did notice one really cool feature that I've never head of.  It has  a 
"Ladder Saver" function which sets the arming to 240 seconds after power up so 
 that you can turn it on with the rail tilted down and have 240 seconds to 
get it  vertical before arming.  Perfect for those tall rockets. :)
 
Didn't notice if they would fit inside 38mm tube.  Too bad they don't  come 
with a 250g option.
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 1/27/2010 10:02:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org writes:

I am  proud to announce that we are now going to be stocking MARSA 4 flight 
 computers for $225. I am very excited about flying these in my projects, 
and I  have heard good things, and we have some units coming in the next 
couple of  weeks.

Check them out at  http://www.marsa4.com/home/


From sb at berfield.com  Thu Jan 28 09:06:25 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:06:25 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Sunriver CTI update........... and
	upcoming	Electronics updat...
In-Reply-To: <a9e4.50383073.38931b0a@aol.com>
References: <a9e4.50383073.38931b0a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002a01caa03c$3a247470$ae6d5d50$@com>

Looks like it is close to 2" x 4", so 38mm is out.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:54 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Sunriver CTI update........... and upcoming
Electronics updat...

I did notice one really cool feature that I've never head of.  It has  a 
"Ladder Saver" function which sets the arming to 240 seconds after power up
so 
 that you can turn it on with the rail tilted down and have 240 seconds to 
get it  vertical before arming.  Perfect for those tall rockets. :)
 
Didn't notice if they would fit inside 38mm tube.  Too bad they don't  come 
with a 250g option.
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 1/27/2010 10:02:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org writes:

I am  proud to announce that we are now going to be stocking MARSA 4 flight 
 computers for $225. I am very excited about flying these in my projects, 
and I  have heard good things, and we have some units coming in the next 
couple of  weeks.

Check them out at  http://www.marsa4.com/home/

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From guentherchristopher at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 09:57:14 2010
From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:57:14 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Moon mission gone
In-Reply-To: <4B610121.5050507@hawkfeather.com>
References: <SNT106-W273578A4F0AB28D26CBED3E05C0@phx.gbl>
	<4B610121.5050507@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <e83b26701001280957n5787eae1va56d8145e558b56d@mail.gmail.com>

It is nice to see someone else has done a small version of spaceball 1.  I
have been interested in  building one for High Power with a cluster motor
setup just about the same.  Although I will be using a clear material for
invisible fins to make it stable.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Andrew MacMillen
<andrewm at hawkfeather.com>wrote:

> iPhone, shmipone. Now we can have our iPads!
>
> And this is all it takes to power a Winnebago:
> http://www.rocketreviews.com/reviews/all/drake_winnie.shtml
>
> Andrew.
>
>
> MARY ANNE RYESE, TIM RYERSE wrote:
>
>> Well the Chinese may actually go the the Moon and beyond, but we can still
>> play with our iphones and go to the movies and pretend we're space
>> explorers. This is probably an industry better left to the private sector
>> anyway, where some real innovation from the minds of people like ourselves.
>> How many 'O' motors does it take to put an RV in low orbit?
>>
>> Tim Ryerse TRA #5796 :-)
>>
>>
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>
>

From terry at mooreread.com  Thu Jan 28 10:09:29 2010
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:09:29 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's plans to return to the Moon are dead
In-Reply-To: <1756c35306b720060e5688a95289478b.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
References: <333687.61639.qm@web111412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1756c35306b720060e5688a95289478b.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
Message-ID: <2D822ABA-F68D-44D3-8D08-2550627CDCB4@mooreread.com>

That question is simply, could one nasa contractor do better than another ?  Blame lockheed-martin and cost+profit contracts rather than Nasa.

On Jan 27, 2010, at 8:58 PM, kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote:

> "NASA has already spent more than $3 billion on Ares I and more than $5
> billion on the rest of Constellation."
> 
> $8 billion and so far one measly one-stage test bed launch.  That's
> EXACTLY why Ares needs to be euthanized.
> 
> Now, what kind of results do you suppose SpaceX could get for that kind of
> money?  Bigelow?  The two together?
> 
> I'm sorry, NASA has become a Brontosaurus in an age of fast, furry mammals.
> +McG+
> 
> 
>> http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/os-no-moon-for-nasa-20100126,0,2770904.story
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From lsagan123 at msn.com  Thu Jan 28 11:16:51 2010
From: lsagan123 at msn.com (lsagan123 at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:16:51 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Fuel oven
Message-ID: <1362450464-1264706216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1313673935-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Does someone have a page simalar to the curing oven but for EX fuel?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From greg at blastzone.com  Thu Jan 28 11:59:14 2010
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:59:14 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Fuel oven
In-Reply-To: <1362450464-1264706216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1313673935-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1362450464-1264706216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1313673935-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <016c01caa054$5e2dfe50$1a89faf0$@blastzone.com>

Why?  R45 cures at room temperature.  Or are you messing with PBAN?  Or
something else?

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of lsagan123 at msn.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:17 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Fuel oven

Does someone have a page simalar to the curing oven but for EX fuel?
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From padapolis at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 28 13:26:05 2010
From: padapolis at hotmail.com (Paul Bowers)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:26:05 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
Message-ID: <SNT131-w2262F538351FE2CE194589B25C0@phx.gbl>


Hopefully this message isn't too far off-topic, it is however rocket related.


I'm planning on attending the Fire in the Sky event this year for the first time.  And from what I've been able to read about site for this event it is a little remote.  I don't have a trailer, RV, or anything fancy like that.  I also haven't gone camping in a tent for at least 20 years now, and my list of servicable camping items I do have is really short.  So I need to start looking for sales and buying the necessary camping equipment now.  Buying all the gear I may need for a family of five could take a little time.  And let us not forget buying and building a new rocket or two, I'll need something new and shinny to launch.

 

So from all of you who have attented launch events like this, I need help making a FITS camping checklist.  Other than the actual rockets and launch supplies what do you take to FITS?

 

So far here is my short list...

Camping Tents x2

Propane Camping Stove and Fuel

Food / Water

Flashlights

Minor First Aid Kit

FRS Radio

FM Radios (One for the campsite and one small portable)

AC Power Inverter

 

Thanks helping me plan for what should be an exciting weekend.

 

-Paul Bowers
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/

From ds at pacificrocketry.com  Thu Jan 28 14:13:59 2010
From: ds at pacificrocketry.com (Denny Smith)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:13:59 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-w2262F538351FE2CE194589B25C0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT131-w2262F538351FE2CE194589B25C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003601caa067$35cdb5f0$a16921d0$@com>

Hi Paul

Congrats on your early planning.  You and you're family will have a blast at
FITS.

The FITS location is somewhat remote, but being right on the outskirts of
Mansfield, it's quite manageable for even the most modest campers.  There is
a small grocery store in town that can easily be accessed by foot, and they
carry most of what you will forget at fairly reasonable prices.  There is
also a small hardware store as well.

As for recommendations:

- Sleeping mats/air mattress is nice to have if tent camping.  The campsite
is compacted with very little vegetation.  Sleeping directly on the ground
isn't advisable.  Many of us even bring cots and sleep out under the stars.

- Sometimes it can be fairly warm in late May, so an EZ-Up will keep you out
of the sun during the days.

- Many of the fields around the launch site have "prickly" bushes to
challenge you during recovery.  So make sure you have tough skin if wearing
shorts, or bring pants to walk around in during the day.

- Folding camp chairs are a must

- I like to bring a good sized tarp (~ 20' x 20') to stretch over the ground
where I setup camp.  Then I put my work tables and EZ-up on top.  I keeps
the dust down, and generally keeps things a little more tidy rather than
working in the dirt/grass. 

- Mosquito repellant

Can't think of anything else other than just your standard camping gear.
Hope this helps some.

-Denny


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bowers [mailto:padapolis at hotmail.com] 
Sent: None
To: NW Rocketry Email Forum
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010


Hopefully this message isn't too far off-topic, it is however rocket
related.


I'm planning on attending the Fire in the Sky event this year for the first
time.  And from what I've been able to read about site for this event it is
a little remote.  I don't have a trailer, RV, or anything fancy like that.
I also haven't gone camping in a tent for at least 20 years now, and my list
of servicable camping items I do have is really short.  So I need to start
looking for sales and buying the necessary camping equipment now.  Buying
all the gear I may need for a family of five could take a little time.  And
let us not forget buying and building a new rocket or two, I'll need
something new and shinny to launch.

 

So from all of you who have attented launch events like this, I need help
making a FITS camping checklist.  Other than the actual rockets and launch
supplies what do you take to FITS?

 

So far here is my short list...

Camping Tents x2

Propane Camping Stove and Fuel

Food / Water

Flashlights

Minor First Aid Kit

FRS Radio

FM Radios (One for the campsite and one small portable)

AC Power Inverter

 

Thanks helping me plan for what should be an exciting weekend.

 

-Paul Bowers
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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From mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 14:58:55 2010
From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net (mikeandkimwyvel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:58:55 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
In-Reply-To: <003601caa067$35cdb5f0$a16921d0$@com>
References: <SNT131-w2262F538351FE2CE194589B25C0@phx.gbl>
	<003601caa067$35cdb5f0$a16921d0$@com>
Message-ID: <00de01caa06d$78867e80$69937b80$@net>

You also don't need to camp onsite to enjoy the launch.  There are hotels in
Chelan and even closer in Waterville.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:14 PM
To: 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

Hi Paul

Congrats on your early planning.  You and you're family will have a blast at
FITS.

The FITS location is somewhat remote, but being right on the outskirts of
Mansfield, it's quite manageable for even the most modest campers.  There is
a small grocery store in town that can easily be accessed by foot, and they
carry most of what you will forget at fairly reasonable prices.  There is
also a small hardware store as well.

As for recommendations:

- Sleeping mats/air mattress is nice to have if tent camping.  The campsite
is compacted with very little vegetation.  Sleeping directly on the ground
isn't advisable.  Many of us even bring cots and sleep out under the stars.

- Sometimes it can be fairly warm in late May, so an EZ-Up will keep you out
of the sun during the days.

- Many of the fields around the launch site have "prickly" bushes to
challenge you during recovery.  So make sure you have tough skin if wearing
shorts, or bring pants to walk around in during the day.

- Folding camp chairs are a must

- I like to bring a good sized tarp (~ 20' x 20') to stretch over the ground
where I setup camp.  Then I put my work tables and EZ-up on top.  I keeps
the dust down, and generally keeps things a little more tidy rather than
working in the dirt/grass. 

- Mosquito repellant

Can't think of anything else other than just your standard camping gear.
Hope this helps some.

-Denny


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bowers [mailto:padapolis at hotmail.com] 
Sent: None
To: NW Rocketry Email Forum
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010


Hopefully this message isn't too far off-topic, it is however rocket
related.


I'm planning on attending the Fire in the Sky event this year for the first
time.  And from what I've been able to read about site for this event it is
a little remote.  I don't have a trailer, RV, or anything fancy like that.
I also haven't gone camping in a tent for at least 20 years now, and my list
of servicable camping items I do have is really short.  So I need to start
looking for sales and buying the necessary camping equipment now.  Buying
all the gear I may need for a family of five could take a little time.  And
let us not forget buying and building a new rocket or two, I'll need
something new and shinny to launch.

 

So from all of you who have attented launch events like this, I need help
making a FITS camping checklist.  Other than the actual rockets and launch
supplies what do you take to FITS?

 

So far here is my short list...

Camping Tents x2

Propane Camping Stove and Fuel

Food / Water

Flashlights

Minor First Aid Kit

FRS Radio

FM Radios (One for the campsite and one small portable)

AC Power Inverter

 

Thanks helping me plan for what should be an exciting weekend.

 

-Paul Bowers
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/
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From rnech at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 17:59:06 2010
From: rnech at yahoo.com (Robert Nech)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:59:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Moon mission gone
In-Reply-To: <SNT106-W273578A4F0AB28D26CBED3E05C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <823961.68212.qm@web111409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=519416
?
America: Lost In Space 
?
(excerpt)
Achievement: The nation that put the first man on the moon may have put its last as budget cuts slash NASA's plans to return. Men will return to the moon, but they will likely speak Chinese.
?
On May 25, 1961, President Kennedy announced in front of a joint session of Congress the dramatic and ambitious goal of sending an American to the moon by the end of that decade. It was a clarion call to the American spirit and technology to rise up and prove that America's best days were still ahead.
?
Forty-one years after Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon in 1969, rather than continuing on to Mars and beyond, we will soon be hitching rides on Russian spacecraft to fix toilets and conduct science-fair-level experiments on the International Space Station. Our aging space shuttle fleet is about to be retired, and no money is around to replace it.

?

--- On Wed, 1/27/10, MARY ANNE RYESE, TIM RYERSE <tim_ryerse at msn.com> wrote:


From: MARY ANNE RYESE, TIM RYERSE <tim_ryerse at msn.com>
Subject: [RocketsNW] Moon mission gone
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 5:15 PM



Well the Chinese may actually go the the Moon and beyond, but we can still play with our iphones and go to the movies and pretend we're space explorers. 
This is probably an industry better left to the private sector anyway, where some real innovation from the minds of people like ourselves. How many 'O' motors does it take to put an RV in low orbit?

Tim Ryerse TRA #5796 :-)

??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? 
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From angelawr at wrightholdings.com  Thu Jan 28 18:05:15 2010
From: angelawr at wrightholdings.com (Angela "Red" Wright)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:05:15 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
In-Reply-To: <00de01caa06d$78867e80$69937b80$@net>
References: <SNT131-w2262F538351FE2CE194589B25C0@phx.gbl>
	<003601caa067$35cdb5f0$a16921d0$@com>
	<00de01caa06d$78867e80$69937b80$@net>
Message-ID: <3E98A03ED20E984BAFAFF0A4891CDC2C4F629A23@BL2PRD0103MB040.prod.exchangelabs.com>

And don't forget your camera, music, and liquor.  All very important things!!

Sometimes we bring a fire pit of some kind too, its good fun to sit around at nite and gab, meet new people and relax after a good day or blowing things up!

Cheers!

Angela Dinese Wright 
425-443-5049
Angelawr at wrightholdings.com

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of mikeandkimwyvel
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:59 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

You also don't need to camp onsite to enjoy the launch.  There are hotels in
Chelan and even closer in Waterville.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:14 PM
To: 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

Hi Paul

Congrats on your early planning.  You and you're family will have a blast at
FITS.

The FITS location is somewhat remote, but being right on the outskirts of
Mansfield, it's quite manageable for even the most modest campers.  There is
a small grocery store in town that can easily be accessed by foot, and they
carry most of what you will forget at fairly reasonable prices.  There is
also a small hardware store as well.

As for recommendations:

- Sleeping mats/air mattress is nice to have if tent camping.  The campsite
is compacted with very little vegetation.  Sleeping directly on the ground
isn't advisable.  Many of us even bring cots and sleep out under the stars.

- Sometimes it can be fairly warm in late May, so an EZ-Up will keep you out
of the sun during the days.

- Many of the fields around the launch site have "prickly" bushes to
challenge you during recovery.  So make sure you have tough skin if wearing
shorts, or bring pants to walk around in during the day.

- Folding camp chairs are a must

- I like to bring a good sized tarp (~ 20' x 20') to stretch over the ground
where I setup camp.  Then I put my work tables and EZ-up on top.  I keeps
the dust down, and generally keeps things a little more tidy rather than
working in the dirt/grass. 

- Mosquito repellant

Can't think of anything else other than just your standard camping gear.
Hope this helps some.

-Denny


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bowers [mailto:padapolis at hotmail.com] 
Sent: None
To: NW Rocketry Email Forum
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010


Hopefully this message isn't too far off-topic, it is however rocket
related.


I'm planning on attending the Fire in the Sky event this year for the first
time.  And from what I've been able to read about site for this event it is
a little remote.  I don't have a trailer, RV, or anything fancy like that.
I also haven't gone camping in a tent for at least 20 years now, and my list
of servicable camping items I do have is really short.  So I need to start
looking for sales and buying the necessary camping equipment now.  Buying
all the gear I may need for a family of five could take a little time.  And
let us not forget buying and building a new rocket or two, I'll need
something new and shinny to launch.

 

So from all of you who have attented launch events like this, I need help
making a FITS camping checklist.  Other than the actual rockets and launch
supplies what do you take to FITS?

 

So far here is my short list...

Camping Tents x2

Propane Camping Stove and Fuel

Food / Water

Flashlights

Minor First Aid Kit

FRS Radio

FM Radios (One for the campsite and one small portable)

AC Power Inverter

 

Thanks helping me plan for what should be an exciting weekend.

 

-Paul Bowers
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/
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From MartyWeiser at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 18:19:31 2010
From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty Weiser)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:19:31 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
In-Reply-To: <3E98A03ED20E984BAFAFF0A4891CDC2C4F629A23@BL2PRD0103MB040.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <SNT131-w2262F538351FE2CE194589B25C0@phx.gbl>	<003601caa067$35cdb5f0$a16921d0$@com>	<00de01caa06d$78867e80$69937b80$@net>
	<3E98A03ED20E984BAFAFF0A4891CDC2C4F629A23@BL2PRD0103MB040.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <013701caa089$7ea13be0$7be3b3a0$@net>

Ear plugs can also be useful if you are a light sleeper and don't care to
sit around a fire pit until late into the evening listening to the sing
along.

In general, rocket launches are family friendly events and not too noisy at
night (although some would argue that both singing and generators can be
noisy at night).

Marty

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Angela "Red" Wright
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:05 PM
To: mikeandkimwyvel; 'Denny Smith'; 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

And don't forget your camera, music, and liquor.  All very important
things!!

Sometimes we bring a fire pit of some kind too, its good fun to sit around
at nite and gab, meet new people and relax after a good day or blowing
things up!

Cheers!

Angela Dinese Wright 
425-443-5049
Angelawr at wrightholdings.com

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of mikeandkimwyvel
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:59 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

You also don't need to camp onsite to enjoy the launch.  There are hotels in
Chelan and even closer in Waterville.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:14 PM
To: 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

Hi Paul

Congrats on your early planning.  You and you're family will have a blast at
FITS.

The FITS location is somewhat remote, but being right on the outskirts of
Mansfield, it's quite manageable for even the most modest campers.  There is
a small grocery store in town that can easily be accessed by foot, and they
carry most of what you will forget at fairly reasonable prices.  There is
also a small hardware store as well.

As for recommendations:

- Sleeping mats/air mattress is nice to have if tent camping.  The campsite
is compacted with very little vegetation.  Sleeping directly on the ground
isn't advisable.  Many of us even bring cots and sleep out under the stars.

- Sometimes it can be fairly warm in late May, so an EZ-Up will keep you out
of the sun during the days.

- Many of the fields around the launch site have "prickly" bushes to
challenge you during recovery.  So make sure you have tough skin if wearing
shorts, or bring pants to walk around in during the day.

- Folding camp chairs are a must

- I like to bring a good sized tarp (~ 20' x 20') to stretch over the ground
where I setup camp.  Then I put my work tables and EZ-up on top.  I keeps
the dust down, and generally keeps things a little more tidy rather than
working in the dirt/grass. 

- Mosquito repellant

Can't think of anything else other than just your standard camping gear.
Hope this helps some.

-Denny


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bowers [mailto:padapolis at hotmail.com] 
Sent: None
To: NW Rocketry Email Forum
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010


Hopefully this message isn't too far off-topic, it is however rocket
related.


I'm planning on attending the Fire in the Sky event this year for the first
time.  And from what I've been able to read about site for this event it is
a little remote.  I don't have a trailer, RV, or anything fancy like that.
I also haven't gone camping in a tent for at least 20 years now, and my list
of servicable camping items I do have is really short.  So I need to start
looking for sales and buying the necessary camping equipment now.  Buying
all the gear I may need for a family of five could take a little time.  And
let us not forget buying and building a new rocket or two, I'll need
something new and shinny to launch.

 

So from all of you who have attented launch events like this, I need help
making a FITS camping checklist.  Other than the actual rockets and launch
supplies what do you take to FITS?

 

So far here is my short list...

Camping Tents x2

Propane Camping Stove and Fuel

Food / Water

Flashlights

Minor First Aid Kit

FRS Radio

FM Radios (One for the campsite and one small portable)

AC Power Inverter

 

Thanks helping me plan for what should be an exciting weekend.

 

-Paul Bowers
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 18:19:58 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:19:58 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
References: <SNT131-w2262F538351FE2CE194589B25C0@phx.gbl><003601caa067$35cdb5f0$a16921d0$@com><00de01caa06d$78867e80$69937b80$@net>
	<3E98A03ED20E984BAFAFF0A4891CDC2C4F629A23@BL2PRD0103MB040.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <D7C343AAB64D481D993188DB5C6FE48B@LaptopKrausert>

Be sure to bring a nice 15-20 year smooth whiskey to share with Red and that 
guy she's with. Think his name is Brad. And avoid talking about rockets on 
the dining room table.

By all means, have fun.

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angela "Red" Wright" <angelawr at wrightholdings.com>
To: "mikeandkimwyvel" <mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net>; "'Denny Smith'" 
<ds at pacificrocketry.com>; "'Paul Bowers'" <padapolis at hotmail.com>; "'NW 
Rocketry Email Forum'" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010


> And don't forget your camera, music, and liquor.  All very important 
> things!!
>
> Sometimes we bring a fire pit of some kind too, its good fun to sit around 
> at nite and gab, meet new people and relax after a good day or blowing 
> things up!
>
> Cheers!
>
> Angela Dinese Wright
> 425-443-5049
> Angelawr at wrightholdings.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] 
> On Behalf Of mikeandkimwyvel
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:59 PM
> To: 'Denny Smith'; 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
>
> You also don't need to camp onsite to enjoy the launch.  There are hotels 
> in
> Chelan and even closer in Waterville.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Denny Smith
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:14 PM
> To: 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
>
> Hi Paul
>
> Congrats on your early planning.  You and you're family will have a blast 
> at
> FITS.
>
> The FITS location is somewhat remote, but being right on the outskirts of
> Mansfield, it's quite manageable for even the most modest campers.  There 
> is
> a small grocery store in town that can easily be accessed by foot, and 
> they
> carry most of what you will forget at fairly reasonable prices.  There is
> also a small hardware store as well.
>
> As for recommendations:
>
> - Sleeping mats/air mattress is nice to have if tent camping.  The 
> campsite
> is compacted with very little vegetation.  Sleeping directly on the ground
> isn't advisable.  Many of us even bring cots and sleep out under the 
> stars.
>
> - Sometimes it can be fairly warm in late May, so an EZ-Up will keep you 
> out
> of the sun during the days.
>
> - Many of the fields around the launch site have "prickly" bushes to
> challenge you during recovery.  So make sure you have tough skin if 
> wearing
> shorts, or bring pants to walk around in during the day.
>
> - Folding camp chairs are a must
>
> - I like to bring a good sized tarp (~ 20' x 20') to stretch over the 
> ground
> where I setup camp.  Then I put my work tables and EZ-up on top.  I keeps
> the dust down, and generally keeps things a little more tidy rather than
> working in the dirt/grass.
>
> - Mosquito repellant
>
> Can't think of anything else other than just your standard camping gear.
> Hope this helps some.
>
> -Denny
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Bowers [mailto:padapolis at hotmail.com]
> Sent: None
> To: NW Rocketry Email Forum
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
>
>
> Hopefully this message isn't too far off-topic, it is however rocket
> related.
>
>
> I'm planning on attending the Fire in the Sky event this year for the 
> first
> time.  And from what I've been able to read about site for this event it 
> is
> a little remote.  I don't have a trailer, RV, or anything fancy like that.
> I also haven't gone camping in a tent for at least 20 years now, and my 
> list
> of servicable camping items I do have is really short.  So I need to start
> looking for sales and buying the necessary camping equipment now.  Buying
> all the gear I may need for a family of five could take a little time. 
> And
> let us not forget buying and building a new rocket or two, I'll need
> something new and shinny to launch.
>
>
>
> So from all of you who have attented launch events like this, I need help
> making a FITS camping checklist.  Other than the actual rockets and launch
> supplies what do you take to FITS?
>
>
>
> So far here is my short list...
>
> Camping Tents x2
>
> Propane Camping Stove and Fuel
>
> Food / Water
>
> Flashlights
>
> Minor First Aid Kit
>
> FRS Radio
>
> FM Radios (One for the campsite and one small portable)
>
> AC Power Inverter
>
>
>
> Thanks helping me plan for what should be an exciting weekend.
>
>
>
> -Paul Bowers
>
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From sb at berfield.com  Thu Jan 28 18:37:18 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:37:18 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
In-Reply-To: <003601caa067$35cdb5f0$a16921d0$@com>
References: <SNT131-w2262F538351FE2CE194589B25C0@phx.gbl>
	<003601caa067$35cdb5f0$a16921d0$@com>
Message-ID: <00a801caa08b$fa539380$eefaba80$@com>

For clothing bring layers that can accommodate hot to freezing. And
sunscreen + bug repellant. 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:14 PM
To: 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

Hi Paul

Congrats on your early planning.  You and you're family will have a blast at
FITS.

The FITS location is somewhat remote, but being right on the outskirts of
Mansfield, it's quite manageable for even the most modest campers.  There is
a small grocery store in town that can easily be accessed by foot, and they
carry most of what you will forget at fairly reasonable prices.  There is
also a small hardware store as well.

As for recommendations:

- Sleeping mats/air mattress is nice to have if tent camping.  The campsite
is compacted with very little vegetation.  Sleeping directly on the ground
isn't advisable.  Many of us even bring cots and sleep out under the stars.

- Sometimes it can be fairly warm in late May, so an EZ-Up will keep you out
of the sun during the days.

- Many of the fields around the launch site have "prickly" bushes to
challenge you during recovery.  So make sure you have tough skin if wearing
shorts, or bring pants to walk around in during the day.

- Folding camp chairs are a must

- I like to bring a good sized tarp (~ 20' x 20') to stretch over the ground
where I setup camp.  Then I put my work tables and EZ-up on top.  I keeps
the dust down, and generally keeps things a little more tidy rather than
working in the dirt/grass. 

- Mosquito repellant

Can't think of anything else other than just your standard camping gear.
Hope this helps some.

-Denny


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bowers [mailto:padapolis at hotmail.com] 
Sent: None
To: NW Rocketry Email Forum
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010


Hopefully this message isn't too far off-topic, it is however rocket
related.


I'm planning on attending the Fire in the Sky event this year for the first
time.  And from what I've been able to read about site for this event it is
a little remote.  I don't have a trailer, RV, or anything fancy like that.
I also haven't gone camping in a tent for at least 20 years now, and my list
of servicable camping items I do have is really short.  So I need to start
looking for sales and buying the necessary camping equipment now.  Buying
all the gear I may need for a family of five could take a little time.  And
let us not forget buying and building a new rocket or two, I'll need
something new and shinny to launch.

 

So from all of you who have attented launch events like this, I need help
making a FITS camping checklist.  Other than the actual rockets and launch
supplies what do you take to FITS?

 

So far here is my short list...

Camping Tents x2

Propane Camping Stove and Fuel

Food / Water

Flashlights

Minor First Aid Kit

FRS Radio

FM Radios (One for the campsite and one small portable)

AC Power Inverter

 

Thanks helping me plan for what should be an exciting weekend.

 

-Paul Bowers
 		 	   		  
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From absworld at cet.com  Thu Jan 28 18:45:00 2010
From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:45:00 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
In-Reply-To: <013701caa089$7ea13be0$7be3b3a0$@net>
References: <SNT131-w2262F538351FE2CE194589B25C0@phx.gbl>	<003601caa067$35cdb5f0$a16921d0$@com>	<00de01caa06d$78867e80$69937b80$@net>	<3E98A03ED20E984BAFAFF0A4891CDC2C4F629A23@BL2PRD0103MB040.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<013701caa089$7ea13be0$7be3b3a0$@net>
Message-ID: <00db01caa08d$0e4c8850$2ae598f0$@com>

Them generators are annoying all the time.
Make sure you're up for a bit of a walk if you take Denny's opinion "...
that can easily be accessed by foot ".
While not far, it's also not 'just across the street'.

Fly high and you'll easily walk much further in pursuit of recovery.

There's also typically on-site food services for much of the day.

PHitz is PHanastic ;-)

Bob Yanecek

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Marty Weiser
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:20 PM
To: 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

Ear plugs can also be useful if you are a light sleeper and don't care to
sit around a fire pit until late into the evening listening to the sing
along.

In general, rocket launches are family friendly events and not too noisy at
night (although some would argue that both singing and generators can be
noisy at night).

Marty

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Angela "Red" Wright
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:05 PM
To: mikeandkimwyvel; 'Denny Smith'; 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

And don't forget your camera, music, and liquor.  All very important
things!!

Sometimes we bring a fire pit of some kind too, its good fun to sit around
at nite and gab, meet new people and relax after a good day or blowing
things up!

Cheers!

Angela Dinese Wright 
425-443-5049
Angelawr at wrightholdings.com

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of mikeandkimwyvel
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:59 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

You also don't need to camp onsite to enjoy the launch.  There are hotels in
Chelan and even closer in Waterville.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:14 PM
To: 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

Hi Paul

Congrats on your early planning.  You and you're family will have a blast at
FITS.

The FITS location is somewhat remote, but being right on the outskirts of
Mansfield, it's quite manageable for even the most modest campers.  There is
a small grocery store in town that can easily be accessed by foot, and they
carry most of what you will forget at fairly reasonable prices.  There is
also a small hardware store as well.

As for recommendations:

- Sleeping mats/air mattress is nice to have if tent camping.  The campsite
is compacted with very little vegetation.  Sleeping directly on the ground
isn't advisable.  Many of us even bring cots and sleep out under the stars.

- Sometimes it can be fairly warm in late May, so an EZ-Up will keep you out
of the sun during the days.

- Many of the fields around the launch site have "prickly" bushes to
challenge you during recovery.  So make sure you have tough skin if wearing
shorts, or bring pants to walk around in during the day.

- Folding camp chairs are a must

- I like to bring a good sized tarp (~ 20' x 20') to stretch over the ground
where I setup camp.  Then I put my work tables and EZ-up on top.  I keeps
the dust down, and generally keeps things a little more tidy rather than
working in the dirt/grass. 

- Mosquito repellant

Can't think of anything else other than just your standard camping gear.
Hope this helps some.

-Denny


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bowers [mailto:padapolis at hotmail.com] 
Sent: None
To: NW Rocketry Email Forum
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010


Hopefully this message isn't too far off-topic, it is however rocket
related.


I'm planning on attending the Fire in the Sky event this year for the first
time.  And from what I've been able to read about site for this event it is
a little remote.  I don't have a trailer, RV, or anything fancy like that.
I also haven't gone camping in a tent for at least 20 years now, and my list
of servicable camping items I do have is really short.  So I need to start
looking for sales and buying the necessary camping equipment now.  Buying
all the gear I may need for a family of five could take a little time.  And
let us not forget buying and building a new rocket or two, I'll need
something new and shinny to launch.

 

So from all of you who have attented launch events like this, I need help
making a FITS camping checklist.  Other than the actual rockets and launch
supplies what do you take to FITS?

 

So far here is my short list...

Camping Tents x2

Propane Camping Stove and Fuel

Food / Water

Flashlights

Minor First Aid Kit

FRS Radio

FM Radios (One for the campsite and one small portable)

AC Power Inverter

 

Thanks helping me plan for what should be an exciting weekend.

 

-Paul Bowers
 		 	   		  
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From dhaskins_1 at msn.com  Thu Jan 28 20:16:07 2010
From: dhaskins_1 at msn.com (Dick Haskins)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:16:07 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
In-Reply-To: <013701caa089$7ea13be0$7be3b3a0$@net>
References: <SNT131-w2262F538351FE2CE194589B25C0@phx.gbl>	<003601caa067$35cdb5f0$a16921d0$@com>	<00de01caa06d$78867e80$69937b80$@net><3E98A03ED20E984BAFAFF0A4891CDC2C4F629A23@BL2PRD0103MB040.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<013701caa089$7ea13be0$7be3b3a0$@net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP851DCB95D8FF4300B7BB30AA5B0@phx.gbl>

Generators aren't that bad but ABBA sing-a-longs - is small arms fire
allowed?

Dick

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Marty Weiser
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:20 PM
To: 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

Ear plugs can also be useful if you are a light sleeper and don't care to
sit around a fire pit until late into the evening listening to the sing
along.

In general, rocket launches are family friendly events and not too noisy at
night (although some would argue that both singing and generators can be
noisy at night).

Marty

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Angela "Red" Wright
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:05 PM
To: mikeandkimwyvel; 'Denny Smith'; 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

And don't forget your camera, music, and liquor.  All very important
things!!

Sometimes we bring a fire pit of some kind too, its good fun to sit around
at nite and gab, meet new people and relax after a good day or blowing
things up!

Cheers!

Angela Dinese Wright 
425-443-5049
Angelawr at wrightholdings.com

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of mikeandkimwyvel
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:59 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

You also don't need to camp onsite to enjoy the launch.  There are hotels in
Chelan and even closer in Waterville.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:14 PM
To: 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010

Hi Paul

Congrats on your early planning.  You and you're family will have a blast at
FITS.

The FITS location is somewhat remote, but being right on the outskirts of
Mansfield, it's quite manageable for even the most modest campers.  There is
a small grocery store in town that can easily be accessed by foot, and they
carry most of what you will forget at fairly reasonable prices.  There is
also a small hardware store as well.

As for recommendations:

- Sleeping mats/air mattress is nice to have if tent camping.  The campsite
is compacted with very little vegetation.  Sleeping directly on the ground
isn't advisable.  Many of us even bring cots and sleep out under the stars.

- Sometimes it can be fairly warm in late May, so an EZ-Up will keep you out
of the sun during the days.

- Many of the fields around the launch site have "prickly" bushes to
challenge you during recovery.  So make sure you have tough skin if wearing
shorts, or bring pants to walk around in during the day.

- Folding camp chairs are a must

- I like to bring a good sized tarp (~ 20' x 20') to stretch over the ground
where I setup camp.  Then I put my work tables and EZ-up on top.  I keeps
the dust down, and generally keeps things a little more tidy rather than
working in the dirt/grass. 

- Mosquito repellant

Can't think of anything else other than just your standard camping gear.
Hope this helps some.

-Denny


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bowers [mailto:padapolis at hotmail.com] 
Sent: None
To: NW Rocketry Email Forum
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010


Hopefully this message isn't too far off-topic, it is however rocket
related.


I'm planning on attending the Fire in the Sky event this year for the first
time.  And from what I've been able to read about site for this event it is
a little remote.  I don't have a trailer, RV, or anything fancy like that.
I also haven't gone camping in a tent for at least 20 years now, and my list
of servicable camping items I do have is really short.  So I need to start
looking for sales and buying the necessary camping equipment now.  Buying
all the gear I may need for a family of five could take a little time.  And
let us not forget buying and building a new rocket or two, I'll need
something new and shinny to launch.

 

So from all of you who have attented launch events like this, I need help
making a FITS camping checklist.  Other than the actual rockets and launch
supplies what do you take to FITS?

 

So far here is my short list...

Camping Tents x2

Propane Camping Stove and Fuel

Food / Water

Flashlights

Minor First Aid Kit

FRS Radio

FM Radios (One for the campsite and one small portable)

AC Power Inverter

 

Thanks helping me plan for what should be an exciting weekend.

 

-Paul Bowers
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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From Dunkman2000 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 21:07:08 2010
From: Dunkman2000 at comcast.net (Mark Dunkle)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:07:08 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10
Message-ID: <70A4AAA18E5347B6A8B7BF682378297D@Desktop>

     I wanting some input on cutting G10 for fins. Vern Knowles suggest a carbide tipped jig saw blade but his source no longer has them. I've also called around the Portland/Vancouver area with no luck. The blade I'm looking for made by Vermont American and is part# 30003. Do any of you know of a source on the internet or in town to buy special blades? My second question is does anyone know of blade the might work that might be easier to find. The fins have a 22 inch root edge and are 1/8 thick so I was looking for a blade or method that can handle cutting these large fins.......Mark 

From MartyWeiser at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 21:48:25 2010
From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty Weiser)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:48:25 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10
In-Reply-To: <70A4AAA18E5347B6A8B7BF682378297D@Desktop>
References: <70A4AAA18E5347B6A8B7BF682378297D@Desktop>
Message-ID: <017a01caa0a6$ad83c5f0$088b51d0$@net>

Mark - A masonry blade in a circular saw works very well for straight cuts.
Lots of dust so use a mask and good ventilation.  For smaller cuts I like a
reinforced abrasive blade in my Dremel tool.  The thinner unreinforced
blades will shatter in my experience.  You can also use a fine tooth metal
blade in your jigsaw at slow speed - it will dull very quickly, but it will
cut the stuff. - Marty

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Dunkle
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:07 PM
To: rockets NW list; oroc list
Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10

     I wanting some input on cutting G10 for fins. Vern Knowles suggest a
carbide tipped jig saw blade but his source no longer has them. I've also
called around the Portland/Vancouver area with no luck. The blade I'm
looking for made by Vermont American and is part# 30003. Do any of you know
of a source on the internet or in town to buy special blades? My second
question is does anyone know of blade the might work that might be easier to
find. The fins have a 22 inch root edge and are 1/8 thick so I was looking
for a blade or method that can handle cutting these large fins.......Mark 
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From Mfreptiles at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 21:56:51 2010
From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:56:51 EST
Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10
Message-ID: <21f35.fa4b7c3.3893d2a3@aol.com>

Tile saw....wet, no dust.  Cuts through .25" g-10 like butter.
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 1/28/2010 9:07:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
Dunkman2000 at comcast.net writes:

I wanting some input on cutting G10 for fins. Vern Knowles  suggest a 
carbide tipped jig saw blade but his source no longer has them. I've  also called 
around the Portland/Vancouver area with no luck. The blade I'm  looking for 
made by Vermont American and is part# 30003. Do any of you know of  a 
source on the internet or in town to buy special blades? My second question  is 
does anyone know of blade the might work that might be easier to find. The  
fins have a 22 inch root edge and are 1/8 thick so I was looking for a blade  
or method that can handle cutting these large fins.......Mark  
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From rjhall2000 at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 28 22:03:54 2010
From: rjhall2000 at earthlink.net (Randy Hall)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:03:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10
Message-ID: <2582221.1264745034507.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


use a paper cutter.  Like the one in schools.  Cuts good with NO dust
http://www.instructables.com/id/Slice_Circuit_Boards_with_a_Paper_Cutter/

Or for longer cuts... use a hacksaw blade (metal cutting) in a jig or scroll saw.  Make sure you use a jig to get straight lines.

OR Score it (deep) and snap it with a sheet metal break (used for bending)


-----Original Message-----
>From: Marty Weiser <MartyWeiser at comcast.net>
>Sent: Jan 29, 2010 12:48 AM
>To: 'Mark Dunkle' <Dunkman2000 at comcast.net>, 'rockets NW list' <rockets at rocketsnw.com>, 'oroc list' <members at oregonrocketry.org>
>Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] cutting g10
>
>Mark - A masonry blade in a circular saw works very well for straight cuts.
>Lots of dust so use a mask and good ventilation.  For smaller cuts I like a
>reinforced abrasive blade in my Dremel tool.  The thinner unreinforced
>blades will shatter in my experience.  You can also use a fine tooth metal
>blade in your jigsaw at slow speed - it will dull very quickly, but it will
>cut the stuff. - Marty
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>On Behalf Of Mark Dunkle
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:07 PM
>To: rockets NW list; oroc list
>Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10
>
>     I wanting some input on cutting G10 for fins. Vern Knowles suggest a
>carbide tipped jig saw blade but his source no longer has them. I've also
>called around the Portland/Vancouver area with no luck. The blade I'm
>looking for made by Vermont American and is part# 30003. Do any of you know
>of a source on the internet or in town to buy special blades? My second
>question is does anyone know of blade the might work that might be easier to
>find. The fins have a 22 inch root edge and are 1/8 thick so I was looking
>for a blade or method that can handle cutting these large fins.......Mark 
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From rod at whippetfield.com  Thu Jan 28 22:21:38 2010
From: rod at whippetfield.com (Rod)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:21:38 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10
References: <70A4AAA18E5347B6A8B7BF682378297D@Desktop>
Message-ID: <A87F107052134618A28720CAB643C1C0@DANE>

I paid about $15 at the local lumber yard for a 7 1/4" blade used by contractors to cut Hardie Plank siding. It's diamond coated and works great in a table saw. 

Rod M.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Dunkle 
  To: rockets NW list ; oroc list 
  Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:07 PM
  Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10


       I wanting some input on cutting G10 for fins. Vern Knowles suggest a carbide tipped jig saw blade but his source no longer has them. I've also called around the Portland/Vancouver area with no luck. The blade I'm looking for made by Vermont American and is part# 30003. Do any of you know of a source on the internet or in town to buy special blades? My second question is does anyone know of blade the might work that might be easier to find. The fins have a 22 inch root edge and are 1/8 thick so I was looking for a blade or method that can handle cutting these large fins.......Mark 
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From sb at berfield.com  Thu Jan 28 22:39:45 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:39:45 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10
In-Reply-To: <70A4AAA18E5347B6A8B7BF682378297D@Desktop>
References: <70A4AAA18E5347B6A8B7BF682378297D@Desktop>
Message-ID: <000c01caa0ad$d8d58a20$8a809e60$@com>

I have used a metal cutting bandsaw blade without too much trouble. Plan on
replacing it after a big project though. I have also used a table saw with a
carbide blade. That made me nervous though and I will avoid it in the
future.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Dunkle
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:07 PM
To: rockets NW list; oroc list
Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10

     I wanting some input on cutting G10 for fins. Vern Knowles suggest a
carbide tipped jig saw blade but his source no longer has them. I've also
called around the Portland/Vancouver area with no luck. The blade I'm
looking for made by Vermont American and is part# 30003. Do any of you know
of a source on the internet or in town to buy special blades? My second
question is does anyone know of blade the might work that might be easier to
find. The fins have a 22 inch root edge and are 1/8 thick so I was looking
for a blade or method that can handle cutting these large fins.......Mark 
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Thu Jan 28 22:39:59 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:39:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-w2262F538351FE2CE194589B25C0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT131-w2262F538351FE2CE194589B25C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9fb1bd257c8606e07a34b5536d78d751.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

Not so important for launches like Mansfield relatively close to
civilization, but an oldie and a goody:

After receiving all the advice and making your lists and checking them
twice, do a dry run camp-out in your backyard.  You'll quickly 'remember'
things like how the wind blows stuff off your prep table, the way wasps
like to crawl inside pop cans, the utility of remembering to bring a
garbage sack, and that X-Acto knife that's so useful for assembling
reloads.

And of course, update your lists during and after each launch.  I have
several lists: vehicle/travel, camp, and rockets are the three main
headings.  Under these are sub-lists: "Camp" divides into camping stuff,
food & water, medical/hygiene; "Rockets" divides into general, tools, and
stuff specific to each rocket I'm bringing.  And I still usually forget
something important, but rocketeers as a rule are happy to share things.
+McG+


> Hopefully this message isn't too far off-topic, it is however rocket
> related.
>
>
> I'm planning on attending the Fire in the Sky event this year for the
> first time.  And from what I've been able to read about site for this
> event it is a little remote.  I don't have a trailer, RV, or anything
> fancy like that.  I also haven't gone camping in a tent for at least 20
> years now, and my list of servicable camping items I do have is really
> short.  So I need to start looking for sales and buying the necessary
> camping equipment now.  Buying all the gear I may need for a family of
> five could take a little time.  And let us not forget buying and building
> a new rocket or two, I'll need something new and shinny to launch.
>
>
>
> So from all of you who have attented launch events like this, I need help
> making a FITS camping checklist.  Other than the actual rockets and launch
> supplies what do you take to FITS?
>
>
>
> So far here is my short list...
>
> Camping Tents x2
>
> Propane Camping Stove and Fuel
>
> Food / Water
>
> Flashlights
>
> Minor First Aid Kit
>
> FRS Radio
>
> FM Radios (One for the campsite and one small portable)
>
> AC Power Inverter
>
>
>
> Thanks helping me plan for what should be an exciting weekend.
>
>
>
> -Paul Bowers
>
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Thu Jan 28 23:01:54 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:01:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's plans to return to the Moon are dead
In-Reply-To: <2D822ABA-F68D-44D3-8D08-2550627CDCB4@mooreread.com>
References: <333687.61639.qm@web111412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1756c35306b720060e5688a95289478b.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
	<2D822ABA-F68D-44D3-8D08-2550627CDCB4@mooreread.com>
Message-ID: <6ddf8ed90e4a6a773fd9093768f7a811.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

It's the White House/Congress/NASA triad that is dysfunctional.  The
traditional aerospace giants have become addicted to generous quantities
of money from the federal teat and thereby force NASA to overspend.  It's
one big orgy of wasteful spending, flawed plans, and inability to complete
a plan once adopted.  The start-up companies, not yet having had enough
time to become ossified and largely not directly under the control of
Congress or the White House can do things much more efficiently.  Just
compare the development of Ares 1 and Falcon 5.  No contest.

If I had the White House setting the goals for a 1/2A model rocket
project, NASA overseeing it and the big aerospace companies doing the work
it would cost $10 million, be ten years late, fly once and be proclaimed a
huge success.

NASA can still do unmanned probes pretty well but the White House
/Congress /NASA triad just can't develop a space transportation system
within a reasonable budget.  The startups keep politics out of it and do
more than an order of magnitude better.  May be sad, but true.
+McG+


> That question is simply, could one nasa contractor do better than another
> ?  Blame lockheed-martin and cost+profit contracts rather than Nasa.
>
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 8:58 PM, kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote:
>
>> "NASA has already spent more than $3 billion on Ares I and more than $5
>> billion on the rest of Constellation."
>>
>> $8 billion and so far one measly one-stage test bed launch.  That's
>> EXACTLY why Ares needs to be euthanized.
>>
>> Now, what kind of results do you suppose SpaceX could get for that kind
>> of
>> money?  Bigelow?  The two together?
>>
>> I'm sorry, NASA has become a Brontosaurus in an age of fast, furry
>> mammals.
>> +McG+
>>
>>
>>> http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/os-no-moon-for-nasa-20100126,0,2770904.story
>>>
>>>
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From guentherchristopher at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 00:59:10 2010
From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:59:10 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10
In-Reply-To: <000c01caa0ad$d8d58a20$8a809e60$@com>
References: <70A4AAA18E5347B6A8B7BF682378297D@Desktop>
	<000c01caa0ad$d8d58a20$8a809e60$@com>
Message-ID: <e83b26701001290059n635237b9m27967c0cbcb89115@mail.gmail.com>

I use my band saw with a bi-metal blade and it cuts through just fine,
although I recommend using a good dust mask and ventilation.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Scott Berfield <sb at berfield.com> wrote:

> I have used a metal cutting bandsaw blade without too much trouble. Plan on
> replacing it after a big project though. I have also used a table saw with
> a
> carbide blade. That made me nervous though and I will avoid it in the
> future.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Mark Dunkle
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:07 PM
> To: rockets NW list; oroc list
> Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10
>
>     I wanting some input on cutting G10 for fins. Vern Knowles suggest a
> carbide tipped jig saw blade but his source no longer has them. I've also
> called around the Portland/Vancouver area with no luck. The blade I'm
> looking for made by Vermont American and is part# 30003. Do any of you know
> of a source on the internet or in town to buy special blades? My second
> question is does anyone know of blade the might work that might be easier
> to
> find. The fins have a 22 inch root edge and are 1/8 thick so I was looking
> for a blade or method that can handle cutting these large fins.......Mark
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From tim_ryerse at msn.com  Fri Jan 29 08:25:07 2010
From: tim_ryerse at msn.com (MARY ANNE RYESE, TIM RYERSE)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:25:07 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW:  cutting g10
In-Reply-To: <e83b26701001290059n635237b9m27967c0cbcb89115@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70A4AAA18E5347B6A8B7BF682378297D@Desktop>,
	<000c01caa0ad$d8d58a20$8a809e60$@com>,
	<e83b26701001290059n635237b9m27967c0cbcb89115@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT106-W529533AF6A5565D1EF8EB6E05B0@phx.gbl>


I use a wet saw; like you use for tile.

Tim Ryerse :-)



> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:59:10 -0800
> From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com
> To: sb at berfield.com
> CC: members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] cutting g10
> 
> I use my band saw with a bi-metal blade and it cuts through just fine,
> although I recommend using a good dust mask and ventilation.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Scott Berfield <sb at berfield.com> wrote:
> 
> > I have used a metal cutting bandsaw blade without too much trouble. Plan on
> > replacing it after a big project though. I have also used a table saw with
> > a
> > carbide blade. That made me nervous though and I will avoid it in the
> > future.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Mark Dunkle
> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:07 PM
> > To: rockets NW list; oroc list
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10
> >
> >     I wanting some input on cutting G10 for fins. Vern Knowles suggest a
> > carbide tipped jig saw blade but his source no longer has them. I've also
> > called around the Portland/Vancouver area with no luck. The blade I'm
> > looking for made by Vermont American and is part# 30003. Do any of you know
> > of a source on the internet or in town to buy special blades? My second
> > question is does anyone know of blade the might work that might be easier
> > to
> > find. The fins have a 22 inch root edge and are 1/8 thick so I was looking
> > for a blade or method that can handle cutting these large fins.......Mark
> > _______________________________________________
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From appusher at q.com  Fri Jan 29 10:30:08 2010
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:30:08 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Hybrid motor test - open call
Message-ID: <COL111-W426BD6F46AD908EBF88074DC5B0@phx.gbl>


Hi Fliers,

 

On February 7 starting about 9 - 10am we will be working with University of Washington to test a few hybrid motors.  Anyone interested in gettting a look at what hybrids are all about can contact me for location information.

 

Contact information:

Appusher at q.com - email

206.335.0196 for phone

 

We will most likely have coffee and or hot chocolate available as well as some sort of snack.

Bill Munds - Sales

Puget Sound Propulsion

Port Orchard, WA








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From sb at berfield.com  Fri Jan 29 13:50:43 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:50:43 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] new project
Message-ID: <001201caa12d$1bba39b0$532ead10$@com>

Put up a couple of pics of my new project at
http://www.picasaweb.google.com/sberfield/75mmMinimumDiameterProject

 

Nothing too exciting, but it should go high J


From ds at pacificrocketry.com  Fri Jan 29 14:10:39 2010
From: ds at pacificrocketry.com (Denny Smith)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:10:39 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] new project
In-Reply-To: <001201caa12d$1bba39b0$532ead10$@com>
References: <001201caa12d$1bba39b0$532ead10$@com>
Message-ID: <005801caa12f$e4086250$ac1926f0$@com>

Ahh...that's never gonna work.   




Just kidding, Scott.  Nice work.

-Denny



-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Berfield [mailto:sb at berfield.com] 
Sent: None
To: 'rockets NW list'
Subject: [RocketsNW] new project

Put up a couple of pics of my new project at
http://www.picasaweb.google.com/sberfield/75mmMinimumDiameterProject

 

Nothing too exciting, but it should go high J

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From carl at mousetrap.com  Fri Jan 29 14:22:18 2010
From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:22:18 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace January meeting minutes
Message-ID: <e068dfbd1001291422x36909583k86788ac12f80a9b3@mail.gmail.com>

The minutes for the Washington Aerospace January meeting have been posted on
the club's website: http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/news1001.php.

Enjoy.

 - Carl

From sb at berfield.com  Fri Jan 29 14:47:29 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:47:29 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
Message-ID: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com>

I have a bunch of high strength tubular nylon (basically climbing harness
material) that is great, but it is probably considerably stronger than
various other parts of my setup and it ends up weighing quite a lot and
taking a lot of space.  Any suggestions for lighter-weight materials (and
sources for same)? Seems like a harnesss rated to several hundred pounds is
overkill for a 6 lb rocket with proper design around deployment.


From rod at whippetfield.com  Fri Jan 29 14:55:16 2010
From: rod at whippetfield.com (Rod)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:55:16 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10
References: <70A4AAA18E5347B6A8B7BF682378297D@Desktop>
	<A87F107052134618A28720CAB643C1C0@DANE>
Message-ID: <7E10B61A78D748F9AEC04FEA9A691A22@DANE>

Incidentally, the blade I  am referring to is found at    www.exchangeablade.com  
Part number is 2118032  It's called a Bronze Series Turbo General Purpose for concrete products. It's 7" dia.  There is a retailer finder on the website. I bought mine here in little old Sisters OR.

Set it up on a table saw with a sliding table made from scrap and you can cut any shape fin you want. 

Rod
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rod 
  To: Mark Dunkle ; rockets NW list ; oroc list 
  Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] cutting g10


  I paid about $15 at the local lumber yard for a 7 1/4" blade used by contractors to cut Hardie Plank siding. It's diamond coated and works great in a table saw. 

  Rod M.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Mark Dunkle 
    To: rockets NW list ; oroc list 
    Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:07 PM
    Subject: [RocketsNW] cutting g10


         I wanting some input on cutting G10 for fins. Vern Knowles suggest a carbide tipped jig saw blade but his source no longer has them. I've also called around the Portland/Vancouver area with no luck. The blade I'm looking for made by Vermont American and is part# 30003. Do any of you know of a source on the internet or in town to buy special blades? My second question is does anyone know of blade the might work that might be easier to find. The fins have a 22 inch root edge and are 1/8 thick so I was looking for a blade or method that can handle cutting these large fins.......Mark 
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From ds at pacificrocketry.com  Fri Jan 29 15:46:44 2010
From: ds at pacificrocketry.com (Denny Smith)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:46:44 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
In-Reply-To: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com>
References: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com>
Message-ID: <001201caa13d$502c2db0$f0848910$@com>

Scott

For smaller stuff like yours, I've been using flat nylon strap
(non-tubular).  I think the 1/2" has a working strength of 1,000lbs.
www.strapworks.com is one source I've used.

It's about half the thickness/wt. of tubular, and packs really well.

-Denny

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 2:47 PM
To: 'rockets NW list'
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness

I have a bunch of high strength tubular nylon (basically climbing harness
material) that is great, but it is probably considerably stronger than
various other parts of my setup and it ends up weighing quite a lot and
taking a lot of space.  Any suggestions for lighter-weight materials (and
sources for same)? Seems like a harnesss rated to several hundred pounds is
overkill for a 6 lb rocket with proper design around deployment.

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From lsagan123 at msn.com  Fri Jan 29 15:52:48 2010
From: lsagan123 at msn.com (lsagan123 at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:52:48 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
In-Reply-To: <001201caa13d$502c2db0$f0848910$@com>
References: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com><001201caa13d$502c2db0$f0848910$@com>
Message-ID: <343197457-1264809171-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-618953537-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Playing on ebay seems to be a lot of paracord available

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Denny Smith" <ds at pacificrocketry.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:46:44 
To: 'Scott Berfield'<sb at berfield.com>; 'rockets NW list'<rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness

Scott

For smaller stuff like yours, I've been using flat nylon strap
(non-tubular).  I think the 1/2" has a working strength of 1,000lbs.
www.strapworks.com is one source I've used.

It's about half the thickness/wt. of tubular, and packs really well.

-Denny

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 2:47 PM
To: 'rockets NW list'
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness

I have a bunch of high strength tubular nylon (basically climbing harness
material) that is great, but it is probably considerably stronger than
various other parts of my setup and it ends up weighing quite a lot and
taking a lot of space.  Any suggestions for lighter-weight materials (and
sources for same)? Seems like a harnesss rated to several hundred pounds is
overkill for a 6 lb rocket with proper design around deployment.

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From greg at bigredbee.com  Fri Jan 29 15:47:32 2010
From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:47:32 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
In-Reply-To: <001201caa13d$502c2db0$f0848910$@com>
References: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com>
	<001201caa13d$502c2db0$f0848910$@com>
Message-ID: <bf3fe8021001291547x4b384863r6a277694138ae362@mail.gmail.com>

KEVLAR

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Denny Smith <ds at pacificrocketry.com> wrote:
> Scott
>
> For smaller stuff like yours, I've been using flat nylon strap
> (non-tubular). ?I think the 1/2" has a working strength of 1,000lbs.
> www.strapworks.com is one source I've used.
>
> It's about half the thickness/wt. of tubular, and packs really well.
>
> -Denny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 2:47 PM
> To: 'rockets NW list'
> Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
>
> I have a bunch of high strength tubular nylon (basically climbing harness
> material) that is great, but it is probably considerably stronger than
> various other parts of my setup and it ends up weighing quite a lot and
> taking a lot of space. ?Any suggestions for lighter-weight materials (and
> sources for same)? Seems like a harnesss rated to several hundred pounds is
> overkill for a 6 lb rocket with proper design around deployment.
>
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From arrsales at cox.net  Fri Jan 29 15:57:06 2010
From: arrsales at cox.net (Always Ready Rocketry)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:57:06 -0500
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
References: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com> 
Message-ID: <A6530AB7AF8B40448A9D9D8208E6CD9B@apcp.local>


Honestly? I just get a roll of 1inch or 3/4 inch wide dog leash at Jo-Ann
fabrics. Sure, it's not tubular, but it's as strong as sh** anyway.  Why?
It's DOG LEASH. :) It's cheap, effective and I don't worry about shock cord
protectors because I'll just replace it when it gets crispy from BP charges.
I don't worry about zippers too much because my rockets are made out my Blue
Tube anyway. 

K.I.S.S. I say.. Ya know?

Hey..
A large order of fries walks into a bar and says, "Hey buddy, can I get a
beer?"
The bartender snarls and says, "Get out! We don't serve food here!"

:-P

Randy


-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:47 PM
To: 'rockets NW list'
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness

I have a bunch of high strength tubular nylon (basically climbing harness
material) that is great, but it is probably considerably stronger than
various other parts of my setup and it ends up weighing quite a lot and
taking a lot of space.  Any suggestions for lighter-weight materials (and
sources for same)? Seems like a harnesss rated to several hundred pounds is
overkill for a 6 lb rocket with proper design around deployment.

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From lsagan123 at msn.com  Fri Jan 29 16:06:24 2010
From: lsagan123 at msn.com (lsagan123 at msn.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:06:24 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Parachutes
Message-ID: <103298965-1264809987-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-628827897-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Has anyone ever tried one of the "speed training resistance chutes" on a bird? If so what were the results?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From rnech at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 29 16:13:41 2010
From: rnech at yahoo.com (Robert Nech)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:13:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Space: U.S. Grounded, India To The Moon In 2016
Message-ID: <421401.20936.qm@web111402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://neoavatara.com/blog/?p=9636
?
Space: U.S. Grounded, India To The Moon
?
(excerpt)
In an era where almost every other space program is being cut, India and China continue moving forward.
?
Following China?s successful manned launch several years ago, India now plans to launch it own manned mission by 2016. ?India hopes to be ready for a manned lunar mission by 2025. ?This comes the same week that news that Barack Obama plans to completely end the new U.S. lunar mission proposed by President Bush, which planned to land men on the moon by 2020 with future planning for a Mars mission.
?
The Indian space agency will also establish a facility in Bangalore for training the astronauts and build a third launch pad at its spaceport in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh. ?In September, India?s Chandrayaan-1 satellite discovered water on the moon, boosting India?s credibility among established space-faring nations.
?
?


      

From MartyWeiser at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 16:33:27 2010
From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty Weiser)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:33:27 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Parachutes
In-Reply-To: <103298965-1264809987-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-628827897-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <103298965-1264809987-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-628827897-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <011001caa143$d7b3dc50$871b94f0$@net>

An African or European swallow?

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of lsagan123 at msn.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:06 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Parachutes

Has anyone ever tried one of the "speed training resistance chutes" on a
bird? If so what were the results?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Fri Jan 29 16:39:01 2010
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:39:01 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Parachutes
In-Reply-To: <011001caa143$d7b3dc50$871b94f0$@net>
References: <103298965-1264809987-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-628827897-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<011001caa143$d7b3dc50$871b94f0$@net>
Message-ID: <21D4BC46061B47DDA0D706B587BB8CD4@Mobile2>

Bet it would slow a goose.... 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Marty Weiser
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:33 PM
To: lsagan123 at msn.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Parachutes

An African or European swallow?

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of lsagan123 at msn.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:06 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Parachutes

Has anyone ever tried one of the "speed training resistance chutes" on a
bird? If so what were the results?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From appusher at q.com  Fri Jan 29 16:59:29 2010
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:59:29 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Space: U.S. Grounded, India To The Moon In 2016
In-Reply-To: <421401.20936.qm@web111402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <421401.20936.qm@web111402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL111-W1430A34C2FE63B804B3559DC5A0@phx.gbl>


Aren't we paying for India and China's race to the moon by the interest we pay them on loans rocketsfor keeping our economy running in the red.









 EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
Join me
 
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:13:41 -0800
> From: rnech at yahoo.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Space: U.S. Grounded, India To The Moon In 2016
> 
> http://neoavatara.com/blog/?p=9636
>  
> Space: U.S. Grounded, India To The Moon
>  
> (excerpt)
> In an era where almost every other space program is being cut, India and China continue moving forward.
>  
> Following China?s successful manned launch several years ago, India now plans to launch it own manned mission by 2016.  India hopes to be ready for a manned lunar mission by 2025.  This comes the same week that news that Barack Obama plans to completely end the new U.S. lunar mission proposed by President Bush, which planned to land men on the moon by 2020 with future planning for a Mars mission.
>  
> The Indian space agency will also establish a facility in Bangalore for training the astronauts and build a third launch pad at its spaceport in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh.  In September, India?s Chandrayaan-1 satellite discovered water on the moon, boosting India?s credibility among established space-faring nations.
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 
 		 	   		  

From MartyWeiser at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 17:08:52 2010
From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty Weiser)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:08:52 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
In-Reply-To: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com>
References: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com>
Message-ID: <011701caa148$cab4bc40$601e34c0$@net>

Scott - I use 9/16" tubular for most of my mid sized rockets.  It is about
1/2 the bulk and weight of the 1" and is generally rated to 1500 lbs.  I
also use some similar or slightly smaller Kevlar as the first part of the
harness coming out of the body tube.  It is less apt to cut on the airframe
and is more heat resistant to the deployment charges.  I have both tied
(both overhand and figure 8 knots) and sewn the two pieces together. Sewn is
smaller, but depends upon sewing skills and I can't get the heavy Kevlar
thread to run really well in my wife's machine. - Marty

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 2:47 PM
To: 'rockets NW list'
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness

I have a bunch of high strength tubular nylon (basically climbing harness
material) that is great, but it is probably considerably stronger than
various other parts of my setup and it ends up weighing quite a lot and
taking a lot of space.  Any suggestions for lighter-weight materials (and
sources for same)? Seems like a harnesss rated to several hundred pounds is
overkill for a 6 lb rocket with proper design around deployment.

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From jman13 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 17:53:21 2010
From: jman13 at gmail.com (Julian Picard)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:53:21 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Fins on a Minimum Diameter
Message-ID: <95ef3e431001291753t551def8bwdf65b7eb5e3f2086@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

My name's Julian Picard, and I'm new to the list. I'm here at the University
of Washington, and I'm working on a building a 54mm minimum diameter, and
I'm looking for suggestions on how to better attach the fins.
What I did before is to make shallow fin slots and do some initial gluing,
and then solidly glassing (or with carbon fiber) the fin can.
I'm using a pre-glassed phenolic tube, with G10 fins.

Thanks so much for you help!
Julian

From sb at berfield.com  Fri Jan 29 18:31:39 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:31:39 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Fins on a Minimum Diameter
In-Reply-To: <95ef3e431001291753t551def8bwdf65b7eb5e3f2086@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95ef3e431001291753t551def8bwdf65b7eb5e3f2086@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003f01caa154$5b27cbe0$117763a0$@com>

I just got the fins on my 75mm min diameter. I cut slots and stuck in a
plastic wrapped motor case. Tacked the fins into the slots with epoxy,
butted up against the case. Pulled the case. Added fillets to the fins with
epoxy mixed with milled fiberglass. Then applied two layers of glass, one
halfway and one tip to tip. Seem rock solid.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Julian Picard
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:53 PM
To: rockets
Subject: [RocketsNW] Fins on a Minimum Diameter

Hello everyone,

My name's Julian Picard, and I'm new to the list. I'm here at the University
of Washington, and I'm working on a building a 54mm minimum diameter, and
I'm looking for suggestions on how to better attach the fins.
What I did before is to make shallow fin slots and do some initial gluing,
and then solidly glassing (or with carbon fiber) the fin can.
I'm using a pre-glassed phenolic tube, with G10 fins.

Thanks so much for you help!
Julian
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From greg at bigredbee.com  Fri Jan 29 18:41:08 2010
From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:41:08 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
In-Reply-To: <yunk4v0jpgb.fsf@aiko.keithp.com>
References: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com>
	<001201caa13d$502c2db0$f0848910$@com>
	<bf3fe8021001291547x4b384863r6a277694138ae362@mail.gmail.com>
	<yunk4v0jpgb.fsf@aiko.keithp.com>
Message-ID: <bf3fe8021001291841q2cc72306u67375dd93f75a716@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.rinconrocketry.com/shock_cord.htm

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Keith Packard <keithp at keithp.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:47:32 -0800, Greg Clark <greg at bigredbee.com> wrote:
>
>> KEVLAR
>
> Where do you get yours? I order kevlar line from spearfishing supply
> places. Can't recall where I got the last bunch.
>
> --
> keith.packard at intel.com
>

From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Fri Jan 29 18:51:37 2010
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:51:37 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
In-Reply-To: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com>
References: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com>
Message-ID: <4B639EB9.9000008@hawkfeather.com>

I've used tubular Kevlar for over 10 years. 1/8" for mid power & lo hi 
power, 1/4" for L2-ish, and 3/8" for L3. Nary a problem, and packs a 
heck of a lot smaller than TN.

Andrew.

Scott Berfield wrote:
> I have a bunch of high strength tubular nylon (basically climbing harness
> material) that is great, but it is probably considerably stronger than
> various other parts of my setup and it ends up weighing quite a lot and
> taking a lot of space.  Any suggestions for lighter-weight materials (and
> sources for same)? Seems like a harnesss rated to several hundred pounds is
> overkill for a 6 lb rocket with proper design around deployment.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>   
> 

From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 19:13:47 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:13:47 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
References: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com>
	<4B639EB9.9000008@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <4E32F2983DFF412A88A74FB04C7F052C@LaptopKrausert>

Again, hope no offense. Another good discussion and information. Posted 
http://rocketsnw.com/?page_id=1909

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew MacMillen" <andrewm at hawkfeather.com>
To: "'rockets NW list'" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness


> I've used tubular Kevlar for over 10 years. 1/8" for mid power & lo hi 
> power, 1/4" for L2-ish, and 3/8" for L3. Nary a problem, and packs a heck 
> of a lot smaller than TN.
>
> Andrew.
>
> Scott Berfield wrote:
>> I have a bunch of high strength tubular nylon (basically climbing harness
>> material) that is great, but it is probably considerably stronger than
>> various other parts of my setup and it ends up weighing quite a lot and
>> taking a lot of space.  Any suggestions for lighter-weight materials (and
>> sources for same)? Seems like a harnesss rated to several hundred pounds 
>> is
>> overkill for a 6 lb rocket with proper design around deployment.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 


From appusher at q.com  Fri Jan 29 19:35:11 2010
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:35:11 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
In-Reply-To: <4E32F2983DFF412A88A74FB04C7F052C@LaptopKrausert>
References: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com>,
	<4B639EB9.9000008@hawkfeather.com>,
	<4E32F2983DFF412A88A74FB04C7F052C@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <COL111-W375FB8A779832A478E60F2DC5A0@phx.gbl>


Robert,

You are right on top of that website!  Can't see who would be offended.

Easy to point new flyers to the website for information.  Run into them all the time while out and about.

 

Thanks,

Bill





 
> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com
> To: andrewm at hawkfeather.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:13:47 -0800
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
> 
> Again, hope no offense. Another good discussion and information. Posted 
> http://rocketsnw.com/?page_id=1909
> 
> Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew MacMillen" <andrewm at hawkfeather.com>
> To: "'rockets NW list'" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
> 
> 
> > I've used tubular Kevlar for over 10 years. 1/8" for mid power & lo hi 
> > power, 1/4" for L2-ish, and 3/8" for L3. Nary a problem, and packs a heck 
> > of a lot smaller than TN.
> >
> > Andrew.
> >
> > Scott Berfield wrote:
> >> I have a bunch of high strength tubular nylon (basically climbing harness
> >> material) that is great, but it is probably considerably stronger than
> >> various other parts of my setup and it ends up weighing quite a lot and
> >> taking a lot of space. Any suggestions for lighter-weight materials (and
> >> sources for same)? Seems like a harnesss rated to several hundred pounds 
> >> is
> >> overkill for a 6 lb rocket with proper design around deployment.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Rockets mailing list
> >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rockets mailing list
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 
 		 	   		  

From guentherchristopher at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 20:32:13 2010
From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:32:13 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Parachutes
In-Reply-To: <103298965-1264809987-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-628827897-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <103298965-1264809987-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-628827897-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <e83b26701001292032v1ba251a6yd8239b21d090eac2@mail.gmail.com>

They work just fine.  I used them on my L2 Cert Rocket.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:06 PM, <lsagan123 at msn.com> wrote:

> Has anyone ever tried one of the "speed training resistance chutes" on a
> bird? If so what were the results?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
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> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>

From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 20:32:21 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:32:21 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
References: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com>,
	<4B639EB9.9000008@hawkfeather.com>,
	<4E32F2983DFF412A88A74FB04C7F052C@LaptopKrausert>
	<COL111-W375FB8A779832A478E60F2DC5A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8B06D76A6A534A53AF488A7C194D3CA1@LaptopKrausert>

Thank you Bill.

The goal of creating the new NWR site was to:
 - Create a site for reference for everyone
 - Create a place to expose and promotes clubs & events
 - Create a site ti share your experience & media

We at the NWR team have worked hard taking what Greg Deputy created and moving it to something that we jointly can maintain. 

But we failed...

Up loading images became a chore. It's actually easy once you've done it. But by design, we placed too many steps to post images.

Robert Killen, NWR member fixed the problem.

You can now upload and display images immediately, and without us interacting. This works very well, and hope it improves the experience for folks used to this site. 

We, the NWR team, hope you appreciate the new site. Faster, more timely updates. And we hope new visitors recognize the currentness, and that the information is believe-able. We hope that draws new folks to events. 

Again, always open to feedback and improvement ideas.
Cheers,
Robert


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bill Munds 
  To: Robert Krausert ; rockets at rocketsnw.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:35 PM
  Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness


  Robert,
  You are right on top of that website!  Can't see who would be offended.
  Easy to point new flyers to the website for information.  Run into them all the time while out and about.
   
  Thanks,
  Bill





   
  > From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com
  > To: andrewm at hawkfeather.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
  > Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:13:47 -0800
  > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
  > 
  > Again, hope no offense. Another good discussion and information. Posted 
  > http://rocketsnw.com/?page_id=1909
  > 
  > Cheers,
  > Robert
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Andrew MacMillen" <andrewm at hawkfeather.com>
  > To: "'rockets NW list'" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
  > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:51 PM
  > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
  > 
  > 
  > > I've used tubular Kevlar for over 10 years. 1/8" for mid power & lo hi 
  > > power, 1/4" for L2-ish, and 3/8" for L3. Nary a problem, and packs a heck 
  > > of a lot smaller than TN.
  > >
  > > Andrew.
  > >
  > > Scott Berfield wrote:
  > >> I have a bunch of high strength tubular nylon (basically climbing harness
  > >> material) that is great, but it is probably considerably stronger than
  > >> various other parts of my setup and it ends up weighing quite a lot and
  > >> taking a lot of space. Any suggestions for lighter-weight materials (and
  > >> sources for same)? Seems like a harnesss rated to several hundred pounds 
  > >> is
  > >> overkill for a 6 lb rocket with proper design around deployment.
  > >>
  > >> _______________________________________________
  > >> Rockets mailing list
  > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
  > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  > >>
  > > _______________________________________________
  > > Rockets mailing list
  > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
  > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  > > 
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From vincesimoneau at msn.com  Fri Jan 29 22:33:46 2010
From: vincesimoneau at msn.com (Vince Simoneau)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:33:46 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
In-Reply-To: <00db01caa08d$0e4c8850$2ae598f0$@com>
References: <SNT131-w2262F538351FE2CE194589B25C0@phx.gbl>
	<003601caa067$35cdb5f0$a16921d0$@com>	<00de01caa06d$78867e80$69937b80$@net>
	<3E98A03ED20E984BAFAFF0A4891CDC2C4F629A23@BL2PRD0103MB040.prod.exchangelabs.com>,
	<013701caa089$7ea13be0$7be3b3a0$@net>,
	<00db01caa08d$0e4c8850$2ae598f0$@com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W437CE27E7B93A9AEC303DEB55A0@phx.gbl>


Ok, Ok, ...  I've been working two jobs and have'nt checked my mail......

 1)    Carl,  Yes I want to renew...  and will    ...   .

 2)  The F.I.T.S. Memorial "First up - Last up"  Solar Sailer  (yes, spelled wright...)[she's a thing not a person]  is as I spea...tex...type.........
 being restored to (hopefully)[insert subjective observation later]...her former glory.

  Sean and I were "blessed" with the oppertunity to accept and fly the FMSS in the Saturday night raffle (after being deferred by Chuck the real "winner" the next morning)

As we all remember, or at least those of us that were left Sunday ...    the FMSS augered in after shock cord failure . . .the silver/black mylar chute & blunt nose were eaten by the sage NE of the track.
 I've replaced 5" of Body tube and am also printing new water slide decals from the pdf. Estes provided. New chute 'n cone .  .  .    .     .
CP forward of CG may have been an issue . . .  .  .

Sean and I are trying desperatly to fit inn wif you guys...an Red...................................
  May the Fire burn bright and may the licker flow free......................................
        VinnyDogg

> From: absworld at cet.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:45:00 -0800
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
> 
> Them generators are annoying all the time.
> Make sure you're up for a bit of a walk if you take Denny's opinion "...
> that can easily be accessed by foot ".
> While not far, it's also not 'just across the street'.
> 
> Fly high and you'll easily walk much further in pursuit of recovery.
> 
> There's also typically on-site food services for much of the day.
> 
> PHitz is PHanastic ;-)
> 
> Bob Yanecek
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Marty Weiser
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:20 PM
> To: 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
> 
> Ear plugs can also be useful if you are a light sleeper and don't care to
> sit around a fire pit until late into the evening listening to the sing
> along.
> 
> In general, rocket launches are family friendly events and not too noisy at
> night (although some would argue that both singing and generators can be
> noisy at night).
> 
> Marty
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Angela "Red" Wright
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:05 PM
> To: mikeandkimwyvel; 'Denny Smith'; 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
> 
> And don't forget your camera, music, and liquor.  All very important
> things!!
> 
> Sometimes we bring a fire pit of some kind too, its good fun to sit around
> at nite and gab, meet new people and relax after a good day or blowing
> things up!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Angela Dinese Wright 
> 425-443-5049
> Angelawr at wrightholdings.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of mikeandkimwyvel
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:59 PM
> To: 'Denny Smith'; 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
> 
> You also don't need to camp onsite to enjoy the launch.  There are hotels in
> Chelan and even closer in Waterville.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Denny Smith
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:14 PM
> To: 'Paul Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry Email Forum'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
> 
> Hi Paul
> 
> Congrats on your early planning.  You and you're family will have a blast at
> FITS.
> 
> The FITS location is somewhat remote, but being right on the outskirts of
> Mansfield, it's quite manageable for even the most modest campers.  There is
> a small grocery store in town that can easily be accessed by foot, and they
> carry most of what you will forget at fairly reasonable prices.  There is
> also a small hardware store as well.
> 
> As for recommendations:
> 
> - Sleeping mats/air mattress is nice to have if tent camping.  The campsite
> is compacted with very little vegetation.  Sleeping directly on the ground
> isn't advisable.  Many of us even bring cots and sleep out under the stars.
> 
> - Sometimes it can be fairly warm in late May, so an EZ-Up will keep you out
> of the sun during the days.
> 
> - Many of the fields around the launch site have "prickly" bushes to
> challenge you during recovery.  So make sure you have tough skin if wearing
> shorts, or bring pants to walk around in during the day.
> 
> - Folding camp chairs are a must
> 
> - I like to bring a good sized tarp (~ 20' x 20') to stretch over the ground
> where I setup camp.  Then I put my work tables and EZ-up on top.  I keeps
> the dust down, and generally keeps things a little more tidy rather than
> working in the dirt/grass. 
> 
> - Mosquito repellant
> 
> Can't think of anything else other than just your standard camping gear.
> Hope this helps some.
> 
> -Denny
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Bowers [mailto:padapolis at hotmail.com] 
> Sent: None
> To: NW Rocketry Email Forum
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Trying to plan for FITS 2010
> 
> 
> Hopefully this message isn't too far off-topic, it is however rocket
> related.
> 
> 
> I'm planning on attending the Fire in the Sky event this year for the first
> time.  And from what I've been able to read about site for this event it is
> a little remote.  I don't have a trailer, RV, or anything fancy like that.
> I also haven't gone camping in a tent for at least 20 years now, and my list
> of servicable camping items I do have is really short.  So I need to start
> looking for sales and buying the necessary camping equipment now.  Buying
> all the gear I may need for a family of five could take a little time.  And
> let us not forget buying and building a new rocket or two, I'll need
> something new and shinny to launch.
> 
>  
> 
> So from all of you who have attented launch events like this, I need help
> making a FITS camping checklist.  Other than the actual rockets and launch
> supplies what do you take to FITS?
> 
>  
> 
> So far here is my short list...
> 
> Camping Tents x2
> 
> Propane Camping Stove and Fuel
> 
> Food / Water
> 
> Flashlights
> 
> Minor First Aid Kit
> 
> FRS Radio
> 
> FM Radios (One for the campsite and one small portable)
> 
> AC Power Inverter
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks helping me plan for what should be an exciting weekend.
> 
>  
> 
> -Paul Bowers
>  		 	   		  
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From absworld at cet.com  Sat Jan 30 10:16:04 2010
From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:16:04 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness
In-Reply-To: <4B639EB9.9000008@hawkfeather.com>
References: <003101caa135$09bcfec0$1d36fc40$@com>
	<4B639EB9.9000008@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <028501caa1d8$4a213aa0$de63afe0$@com>

I too am a fan of Kevlar though the zipper factor can be brutal.
They make a flat pull tape for electricians that is light and really packs
small but tends to fray and thus requires inspection and evaluation for
replacement after each flight.  The stuff can be had free if you find a
friendly electrician as they tend to use the stuff once then discard.

I use 1/8" tubular Kevlar for all my projects 29mm - 75mm.
I can get 20' in 2" of 38mm airframe.
Lots of z-folding + tape allows for shock absorption.
While tough, the stuff can snap if deployed above Mach (I've 'proved' that
twice now danGIT (very important to keep your fins on during boost ;-)).

I think I'll go up to 1/4" tubular Kevlar for my upcoming 4" project.

Bob Yanecek

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:52 PM
To: 'rockets NW list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] lighter-weight harness

I've used tubular Kevlar for over 10 years. 1/8" for mid power & lo hi 
power, 1/4" for L2-ish, and 3/8" for L3. Nary a problem, and packs a 
heck of a lot smaller than TN.

Andrew.

Scott Berfield wrote:
> I have a bunch of high strength tubular nylon (basically climbing harness
> material) that is great, but it is probably considerably stronger than
> various other parts of my setup and it ends up weighing quite a lot and
> taking a lot of space.  Any suggestions for lighter-weight materials (and
> sources for same)? Seems like a harnesss rated to several hundred pounds
is
> overkill for a 6 lb rocket with proper design around deployment.
> 
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From jhadv at pacifier.com  Sat Jan 30 12:11:24 2010
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:11:24 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1264881603.13606.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20100130120218.00c42e70@mail.iinet.com>

12 strand braided Technora is as heat resistant as kevlar, stronger with 
just slightly more elasticity.  They make it in 1/16 inch increments from 
1/8 inch.  The problem is we don't use in the rocket community yet so the 
vendors don't carry it.  At this point you have to get it from the 
manufacturers and that means you need to buy a roll.  It compares very 
favorably to kevlar braided tube.  For example 1/8" 12 stranded braided 
technora has a breaking point greater than 1/4" braided kevlar 
tube.  Further the technora filaments don't self weaken the strap by 
cutting the filamants next to them.  I can't remember the technical name 
for the problem but technora reduces it.  I have rolls of 1/8 and 3/16 is 
anyone wants to see a small piece.  On the down side its just one more 
example how all the best materials research is happening overseas 
anymore.  Kevlar is about 25 years old now you know.



From krislhull at comcast.net  Sat Jan 30 14:45:26 2010
From: krislhull at comcast.net (Kristopher Hull)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:45:26 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets for sale!
Message-ID: <000001caa1fd$eae84990$c0b8dcb0$@net>

I have two rockets that I bought from Mike Watkins a few years ago with the
intent of getting back into HPR. Well, nearly three years later, I am still
wanting to get back into the hobby, but in another direct. As such, I am
selling both rockets with full recovery gear and an Olsen FCP-M2 altimeter.
Rocket #1 is a nearly 6.5' tall 4" diameter ring fin monster. Rocket #2 is a
nearly 3' tall 4" diameter V-2 with custom pin striping paint job. Both have
38mm MMTs and both are configured to use the Olsen for dual deployment. The
V-2 is also configured for motor based deployment. If anyone is interested,
I will be able to bring them to the next WAC meeting, or we can make
arrangements. Asking price is $200 to $250 for both with altimeter and all
recovery gear included, or any reasonable offer. Photos are available.

 

Kris Hull

 


From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 15:22:54 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:22:54 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Total Flights in NWR in 2010 - Goal is at least 2010 in
	2010
Message-ID: <DF17DA9FB6DD432A97969B6D9B015631@LaptopKrausert>

I believe I've mentioned this before, but maybe not. Think everyone has seen the launch calendar on the NWR site. One thing I've been doing is tracking the total number of flights per event. I update the ticker tape to show the overall total.

I ask a favor to event holders. Please send me your total number of flights after each event. That way I can track the total. 

Why? I want to see if we jointly in the Pacific Northwest can launch more than 2010 rockets in 2010. Refer to the two examples on the launch calendar page for Wilsonville and 60 acres, thus far.

http://rocketsnw.com/?page_id=17

And watch the ticker, you'll see the total. 

So all that is being asked for is the total number of flights after each event. 2010 in 2010 is a great challenge. I'm certain that we'll joinly blow the doors off that goal.

Cheers,
Robert

From t.j.doll at att.net  Sat Jan 30 15:55:24 2010
From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:55:24 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW]
	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370262958997&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
Message-ID: <013020102355.13770.4B64C6EB000ED163000035CA22230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>

It's pretty hard to beat Kevlar from minimum space and weight - I think it's close to a no-brainer for performance oriented rockets.

For the more general use where I'm not as concerned about a few extra ounces and space isn't at a premium, I got a roll of this nylon strap (1500 lb pull strength, 300+ yards for $60)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370262958997&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Tim

From MartyWeiser at comcast.net  Sat Jan 30 16:36:26 2010
From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty Weiser)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:36:26 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW]
	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370262958997&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
In-Reply-To: <013020102355.13770.4B64C6EB000ED163000035CA22230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>
References: <013020102355.13770.4B64C6EB000ED163000035CA22230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net>
Message-ID: <00a201caa20d$6d3b0720$47b11560$@net>

Same stuff I use.  I also use to make drogue chutes along with the 3/8" wide
nylon tape. - Marty

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of t.j.doll at att.net
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:55 PM
To: Rocket Lost
Subject: [RocketsNW]
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370262958997&ssPageName=S
TRK:MEWNX:IT

It's pretty hard to beat Kevlar from minimum space and weight - I think it's
close to a no-brainer for performance oriented rockets.

For the more general use where I'm not as concerned about a few extra ounces
and space isn't at a premium, I got a roll of this nylon strap (1500 lb pull
strength, 300+ yards for $60)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370262958997&ssPageName=S
TRK:MEWNX:IT

Tim
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From jman13 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 19:12:49 2010
From: jman13 at gmail.com (jman13 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:12:49 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Fins on a Minimum Diameter
In-Reply-To: <003f01caa154$5b27cbe0$117763a0$@com>
Message-ID: <4b64f535.c701be0a.2be5.72fe@mx.google.com>

Hey Scott, thanks for the advice. I'll try it with the casing in.
?You said you used epoxy mixed with milled fiberglass: two questions, how large did you make your fillets? Any larger than normal? Also, I've heard of people using fiberglass boat-body sealent as fillet material, have you or anyone else heard is that's a successful method?

Thanks,
Julian



-- Sent from my Palm Pre
Scott Berfield wrote:

I just got the fins on my 75mm min diameter. I cut slots and stuck in a

plastic wrapped motor case. Tacked the fins into the slots with epoxy,

butted up against the case. Pulled the case. Added fillets to the fins with

epoxy mixed with milled fiberglass. Then applied two layers of glass, one

halfway and one tip to tip. Seem rock solid.



-----Original Message-----

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]

On Behalf Of Julian Picard

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:53 PM

To: rockets

Subject: [RocketsNW] Fins on a Minimum Diameter



Hello everyone,



My name's Julian Picard, and I'm new to the list. I'm here at the University

of Washington, and I'm working on a building a 54mm minimum diameter, and

I'm looking for suggestions on how to better attach the fins.

What I did before is to make shallow fin slots and do some initial gluing,

and then solidly glassing (or with carbon fiber) the fin can.

I'm using a pre-glassed phenolic tube, with G10 fins.



Thanks so much for you help!

Julian

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From greg at bigredbee.com  Sat Jan 30 20:04:31 2010
From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:04:31 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Fins on a Minimum Diameter
In-Reply-To: <4b64f535.c701be0a.2be5.72fe@mx.google.com>
References: <003f01caa154$5b27cbe0$117763a0$@com>
	<4b64f535.c701be0a.2be5.72fe@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <bf3fe8021001302004j10fbd0c3jc85ee191a3e97525@mail.gmail.com>

I used chopped Kevlar in my fillets, but just about any 'chopped'
material will add some needed strength.  For my 3-4" rockets, I lay
out the epoxy, cover it with a plastic sheet, and "form it" with a
piece of  3/4"  PVC pipe.  Result?  Perfect fillets!

Important, since sanding kevlar is no fun...

-- Greg

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 7:12 PM, jman13 at gmail.com <jman13 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Scott, thanks for the advice. I'll try it with the casing in.
> ?You said you used epoxy mixed with milled fiberglass: two questions, how large did you make your fillets? Any larger than normal? Also, I've heard of people using fiberglass boat-body sealent as fillet material, have you or anyone else heard is that's a successful method?
>
> Thanks,
> Julian
>
>
>
> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
> Scott Berfield wrote:
>
> I just got the fins on my 75mm min diameter. I cut slots and stuck in a
>
> plastic wrapped motor case. Tacked the fins into the slots with epoxy,
>
> butted up against the case. Pulled the case. Added fillets to the fins with
>
> epoxy mixed with milled fiberglass. Then applied two layers of glass, one
>
> halfway and one tip to tip. Seem rock solid.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>
> On Behalf Of Julian Picard
>
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:53 PM
>
> To: rockets
>
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Fins on a Minimum Diameter
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
>
> My name's Julian Picard, and I'm new to the list. I'm here at the University
>
> of Washington, and I'm working on a building a 54mm minimum diameter, and
>
> I'm looking for suggestions on how to better attach the fins.
>
> What I did before is to make shallow fin slots and do some initial gluing,
>
> and then solidly glassing (or with carbon fiber) the fin can.
>
> I'm using a pre-glassed phenolic tube, with G10 fins.
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for you help!
>
> Julian
>
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From sb at berfield.com  Sat Jan 30 20:16:01 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:16:01 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Fins on a Minimum Diameter
In-Reply-To: <4b64f535.c701be0a.2be5.72fe@mx.google.com>
References: <003f01caa154$5b27cbe0$117763a0$@com>
	<4b64f535.c701be0a.2be5.72fe@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <007101caa22c$19894e10$4c9bea30$@com>

I just the standard thing I usually do for fillets ? about a half inch total. I am not familiar with the boat body stuff.

 

From: jman13 at gmail.com [mailto:jman13 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:13 PM
To: Scott Berfield; rockets
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Fins on a Minimum Diameter

 

Hey Scott, thanks for the advice. I'll try it with the casing in.
 You said you used epoxy mixed with milled fiberglass: two questions, how large did you make your fillets? Any larger than normal? Also, I've heard of people using fiberglass boat-body sealent as fillet material, have you or anyone else heard is that's a successful method?

Thanks,
Julian




-- Sent from my Palm Pre

 

  _____  

Scott Berfield wrote:

I just got the fins on my 75mm min diameter. I cut slots and stuck in a 
plastic wrapped motor case. Tacked the fins into the slots with epoxy, 
butted up against the case. Pulled the case. Added fillets to the fins with 
epoxy mixed with milled fiberglass. Then applied two layers of glass, one 
halfway and one tip to tip. Seem rock solid. 

-----Original Message----- 
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] 
On Behalf Of Julian Picard 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:53 PM 
To: rockets 
Subject: [RocketsNW] Fins on a Minimum Diameter 

Hello everyone, 

My name's Julian Picard, and I'm new to the list. I'm here at the University 
of Washington, and I'm working on a building a 54mm minimum diameter, and 
I'm looking for suggestions on how to better attach the fins. 
What I did before is to make shallow fin slots and do some initial gluing, 
and then solidly glassing (or with carbon fiber) the fin can. 
I'm using a pre-glassed phenolic tube, with G10 fins. 

Thanks so much for you help! 
Julian 
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From greg at blastzone.com  Sat Jan 30 21:12:20 2010
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:12:20 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead terminals?
Message-ID: <055d01caa233$f7b422d0$e71c6870$@blastzone.com>

I'm in the process of repairing Hold the Mayo
(http://www.blastzone.com/images/m0606/htmonpad.jpg) , including re-working
the avionics bay.  For the deployment charge terminals I have typically used
brass bolts that run through a bulkhead and then wingnuts to attach the
wires of the deployment charges.  As I'm getting ready to do this for the
umpteenth time, I'm wondering how other folks approach it.  I've see some
who use the little screw down terminals and just run wires through the
bulkheads.  Any other techniques anyone would care to share?


From Mfreptiles at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 21:16:04 2010
From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:16:04 EST
Subject: [RocketsNW] Fins on a Minimum Diameter
Message-ID: <14c1d.3460c9fd.38966c14@aol.com>

JB Weld with milled fiber.  You'll need the Industrial sized  tubes, not 
the little ones.  
 
Lay it in heavy on both sides of the same fin, then press 1" pvc pipe into  
both fillets until it squeezes out the ends.  Then rubber band the pipes  
together and then rubber band them to the airframe on both ends.  When the  
JB Weld is totally cured, tap the PVC pipes off with a hammer and smooth out 
the  squeeze out with a drum or flap sander on your Dremel tool.  You can do 
all  the fillets at the same time if you have enough PVC pipes cut and some 
 coordination.  Perfect molded fillets with just a little work to fair them 
 in at the ends.
 
You can tip-to-tip glass over the top of that or not.  I've tested it  to 
mach 2 without any overlay.
 
I've done the same thing using Bondo, but it is non structural and  
polyester does not stick to epoxy composites so well.
 
The JB Weld sands easily enough anyway.  Wear a mask.
 
Mike F.
 
 

From Mfreptiles at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 21:18:18 2010
From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:18:18 EST
Subject: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead terminals?
Message-ID: <14c6e.898b4b2.38966c9a@aol.com>

I don't like extra connections, so I just run the e-match wire through the  
bulkplate and use some plumbers putty to seal the hole.
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 1/30/2010 9:12:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
greg at blastzone.com writes:

I'm in  the process of repairing Hold the  Mayo
(http://www.blastzone.com/images/m0606/htmonpad.jpg) , including  re-working
the avionics bay.  For the deployment charge terminals I  have typically 
used
brass bolts that run through a bulkhead and then  wingnuts to attach the
wires of the deployment charges.  As I'm  getting ready to do this for the
umpteenth time, I'm wondering how other  folks approach it.  I've see some
who use the little screw down  terminals and just run wires through the
bulkheads.  Any other  techniques anyone would care to  share?

_______________________________________________
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Sat Jan 30 22:51:34 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:51:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 24, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20100130120218.00c42e70@mail.iinet.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20100130120218.00c42e70@mail.iinet.com>
Message-ID: <5c12d74aeba81ebddcccb2b69b99c34a.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

Never heard of it.  Can you bring some to the next OROC meeting for show
'n tell?
+McG+


> 12 strand braided Technora is as heat resistant as kevlar, stronger with
> just slightly more elasticity.  They make it in 1/16 inch increments from
> 1/8 inch.  The problem is we don't use in the rocket community yet so the
> vendors don't carry it.  At this point you have to get it from the
> manufacturers and that means you need to buy a roll.  It compares very
> favorably to kevlar braided tube.  For example 1/8" 12 stranded braided
> technora has a breaking point greater than 1/4" braided kevlar
> tube.  Further the technora filaments don't self weaken the strap by
> cutting the filamants next to them.  I can't remember the technical name
> for the problem but technora reduces it.  I have rolls of 1/8 and 3/16 is
> anyone wants to see a small piece.  On the down side its just one more
> example how all the best materials research is happening overseas
> anymore.  Kevlar is about 25 years old now you know.
>
>
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>



From sb at berfield.com  Sun Jan 31 11:21:01 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:21:01 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead terminals?
In-Reply-To: <14c6e.898b4b2.38966c9a@aol.com>
References: <14c6e.898b4b2.38966c9a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000d01caa2aa$86fc1d50$94f457f0$@com>

I have something similar on my 4" bay that I use in a couple of rockets.
Only instead of putty, I use well nuts - they have a rubber boot and a
machine screw that expands the boot when it is tightened. Leads go through
the hole and the nut is inserted and tightened to seal it.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:18 PM
To: greg at blastzone.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead terminals?

I don't like extra connections, so I just run the e-match wire through the  
bulkplate and use some plumbers putty to seal the hole.
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 1/30/2010 9:12:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
greg at blastzone.com writes:

I'm in  the process of repairing Hold the  Mayo
(http://www.blastzone.com/images/m0606/htmonpad.jpg) , including  re-working
the avionics bay.  For the deployment charge terminals I  have typically 
used
brass bolts that run through a bulkhead and then  wingnuts to attach the
wires of the deployment charges.  As I'm  getting ready to do this for the
umpteenth time, I'm wondering how other  folks approach it.  I've see some
who use the little screw down  terminals and just run wires through the
bulkheads.  Any other  techniques anyone would care to  share?

_______________________________________________
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From sb at berfield.com  Sun Jan 31 11:26:13 2010
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:26:13 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Fins on a Minimum Diameter
In-Reply-To: <14c1d.3460c9fd.38966c14@aol.com>
References: <14c1d.3460c9fd.38966c14@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000e01caa2ab$40e9ec60$c2bdc520$@com>

Cool idea. I'll have to try that next time.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:16 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Fins on a Minimum Diameter

JB Weld with milled fiber.  You'll need the Industrial sized  tubes, not 
the little ones.  
 
Lay it in heavy on both sides of the same fin, then press 1" pvc pipe into  
both fillets until it squeezes out the ends.  Then rubber band the pipes  
together and then rubber band them to the airframe on both ends.  When the  
JB Weld is totally cured, tap the PVC pipes off with a hammer and smooth out

the  squeeze out with a drum or flap sander on your Dremel tool.  You can do

all  the fillets at the same time if you have enough PVC pipes cut and some 
 coordination.  Perfect molded fillets with just a little work to fair them 
 in at the ends.
 
You can tip-to-tip glass over the top of that or not.  I've tested it  to 
mach 2 without any overlay.
 
I've done the same thing using Bondo, but it is non structural and  
polyester does not stick to epoxy composites so well.
 
The JB Weld sands easily enough anyway.  Wear a mask.
 
Mike F.
 
 
_______________________________________________
Rockets mailing list
Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  




From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 12:59:02 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:59:02 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Motion: Revise TRA Research Safety Code
Message-ID: <D75B58CFA1C447F8A7A005ABF45A6FD0@LaptopKrausert>

TRA Prefects,
I find the 75% rule for research flight altitude limit extremely restrictive towards research flyers. Believe that once an EXer has proven motor design with consistent results, I feel the Prefect should be allowed to waive the rule. LCO/FSO still have final say over flights. But the general rule seems unfair to research. Someone brand new to rocketry has a rocket that sims to the waiver, they are basically allowed to fly because they're using a commercial motor. But someone with a consistent research motor and lots of experience is held back to the 75% rule. Requiring TRA BoD approval seems wrong. The Prefect knows the research flyers in the club, and can make a better judgement.

Do you support this idea? I'll send to TRA if Prefects agree with the recommended change. 
Cheers,
Robert

The Tripoli Rocketry Association Research Safety Code, version 2010 

CURRENT:
Section: 7.5.1
The maximum launch altitude for flights containing research motors shall be 75% of the waiver altitude established for the launch.

Section 7.5.1.1
The BOD may waive this requirement when it can be demonstrated (by past performance, actual thrust curves, etc.) that the performance of the motor(s) to be used shall not exceed the limits of the waiver.

Section 7.5.1.2 
Computer simulations without actual thrust data derived from one or more actual test stand firings shall not satisfy the requirements of 7.8.1.1

RECOMMENDED CHANGE:
Section: 7.5.1
The maximum launch altitude for flights containing research motors shall be 75% of the waiver altitude established for the launch.

Section 7.5.1.1
A registered and active Prefecture may waive this requirement for individuals when it can be demonstrated (by past performance, actual thrust curves, etc.) that the performance of the motor(s) to be used shall not exceed the limits of the waiver. Research flyer must be an active member of Tripoli and certification level of at least 2. 

Section 7.5.1.2 
[Removed]


From fred at azinger.com  Sun Jan 31 13:17:01 2010
From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:17:01 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Motion: Revise TRA Research Safety Code
In-Reply-To: <D75B58CFA1C447F8A7A005ABF45A6FD0@LaptopKrausert>
References: <D75B58CFA1C447F8A7A005ABF45A6FD0@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <002c01caa2ba$bb5188a0$31f499e0$@com>

YES YES YES!!!
It is really hard to get a 133% increase in motor output.
I could see a 90% rule....seems we almost need that with commercial motors
variability of +/-10%...

Without such official relief from TRA, can OROC pad the waiver and then
exercise RSO/Prefect control on altitude limits within the OROC waiver?

FredA

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:59 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Motion: Revise TRA Research Safety Code

TRA Prefects,
I find the 75% rule for research flight altitude limit extremely restrictive
towards research flyers. Believe that once an EXer has proven motor design
with consistent results, I feel the Prefect should be allowed to waive the
rule. LCO/FSO still have final say over flights. But the general rule seems
unfair to research. Someone brand new to rocketry has a rocket that sims to
the waiver, they are basically allowed to fly because they're using a
commercial motor. But someone with a consistent research motor and lots of
experience is held back to the 75% rule. Requiring TRA BoD approval seems
wrong. The Prefect knows the research flyers in the club, and can make a
better judgement.

Do you support this idea? I'll send to TRA if Prefects agree with the
recommended change. 
Cheers,
Robert

The Tripoli Rocketry Association Research Safety Code, version 2010 

CURRENT:
Section: 7.5.1
The maximum launch altitude for flights containing research motors shall be
75% of the waiver altitude established for the launch.

Section 7.5.1.1
The BOD may waive this requirement when it can be demonstrated (by past
performance, actual thrust curves, etc.) that the performance of the
motor(s) to be used shall not exceed the limits of the waiver.

Section 7.5.1.2 
Computer simulations without actual thrust data derived from one or more
actual test stand firings shall not satisfy the requirements of 7.8.1.1

RECOMMENDED CHANGE:
Section: 7.5.1
The maximum launch altitude for flights containing research motors shall be
75% of the waiver altitude established for the launch.

Section 7.5.1.1
A registered and active Prefecture may waive this requirement for
individuals when it can be demonstrated (by past performance, actual thrust
curves, etc.) that the performance of the motor(s) to be used shall not
exceed the limits of the waiver. Research flyer must be an active member of
Tripoli and certification level of at least 2. 

Section 7.5.1.2 
[Removed]

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From seth.wallace at rocketmail.com  Sun Jan 31 13:15:19 2010
From: seth.wallace at rocketmail.com (Seth Wallace)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:15:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead terminals?
In-Reply-To: <000d01caa2aa$86fc1d50$94f457f0$@com>
Message-ID: <986100.27197.qm@web65310.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>

I used to just run the wires through the bulkhead and seal it with something but got lots of blowby which cant be good for the flight computer. then I started using?the little screw terminals and after running the leads back to the flight computer?seal the hole through the bulkhead with epoxy. I tend to use a lot of BP and the terminals do get pretty gunked up. Also sometimes the ARTS2 will read continuity without a charge hooked to the charge side of the terminals which is disconcerting, other than that it works well. 

SW

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Scott Berfield <sb at berfield.com> wrote:


From: Scott Berfield <sb at berfield.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead terminals?
To: Mfreptiles at aol.com, greg at blastzone.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 11:21 AM


I have something similar on my 4" bay that I use in a couple of rockets.
Only instead of putty, I use well nuts - they have a rubber boot and a
machine screw that expands the boot when it is tightened. Leads go through
the hole and the nut is inserted and tightened to seal it.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:18 PM
To: greg at blastzone.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead terminals?

I don't like extra connections, so I just run the e-match wire through the? 
bulkplate and use some plumbers putty to seal the hole.

Mike F.


In a message dated 1/30/2010 9:12:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,? 
greg at blastzone.com writes:

I'm in? the process of repairing Hold the? Mayo
(http://www.blastzone.com/images/m0606/htmonpad.jpg) , including? re-working
the avionics bay.? For the deployment charge terminals I? have typically 
used
brass bolts that run through a bulkhead and then? wingnuts to attach the
wires of the deployment charges.? As I'm? getting ready to do this for the
umpteenth time, I'm wondering how other? folks approach it.? I've see some
who use the little screw down? terminals and just run wires through the
bulkheads.? Any other? techniques anyone would care to? share?

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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 13:37:28 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:37:28 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Motion: Revise TRA Research Safety Code
References: <D75B58CFA1C447F8A7A005ABF45A6FD0@LaptopKrausert>
	<002c01caa2ba$bb5188a0$31f499e0$@com>
Message-ID: <62CE0F71AC9F49A2A5C936B770F0A37C@LaptopKrausert>

Agreed.

It's all about experience and judgement. Fred for example. If you were 
flying research, and told me you're going to 19K, I'd trust that 
estimate/sim. Me for example. If I was asked on a commercial, and I said 
19K, I'd call in the extended window. Just in case.

The reason is experience. I think it makes no difference between research 
and commercial. My purpose of this recommendation is to ask why punish 
experienced research flyers.

New EXers, sure. New commercial-ers, sure.

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Azinger" <fred at azinger.com>
To: "'Robert Krausert'" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>; <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Motion: Revise TRA Research Safety Code


> YES YES YES!!!
> It is really hard to get a 133% increase in motor output.
> I could see a 90% rule....seems we almost need that with commercial motors
> variability of +/-10%...
>
> Without such official relief from TRA, can OROC pad the waiver and then
> exercise RSO/Prefect control on altitude limits within the OROC waiver?
>
> FredA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:59 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Motion: Revise TRA Research Safety Code
>
> TRA Prefects,
> I find the 75% rule for research flight altitude limit extremely 
> restrictive
> towards research flyers. Believe that once an EXer has proven motor design
> with consistent results, I feel the Prefect should be allowed to waive the
> rule. LCO/FSO still have final say over flights. But the general rule 
> seems
> unfair to research. Someone brand new to rocketry has a rocket that sims 
> to
> the waiver, they are basically allowed to fly because they're using a
> commercial motor. But someone with a consistent research motor and lots of
> experience is held back to the 75% rule. Requiring TRA BoD approval seems
> wrong. The Prefect knows the research flyers in the club, and can make a
> better judgement.
>
> Do you support this idea? I'll send to TRA if Prefects agree with the
> recommended change.
> Cheers,
> Robert
>
> The Tripoli Rocketry Association Research Safety Code, version 2010
>
> CURRENT:
> Section: 7.5.1
> The maximum launch altitude for flights containing research motors shall 
> be
> 75% of the waiver altitude established for the launch.
>
> Section 7.5.1.1
> The BOD may waive this requirement when it can be demonstrated (by past
> performance, actual thrust curves, etc.) that the performance of the
> motor(s) to be used shall not exceed the limits of the waiver.
>
> Section 7.5.1.2
> Computer simulations without actual thrust data derived from one or more
> actual test stand firings shall not satisfy the requirements of 7.8.1.1
>
> RECOMMENDED CHANGE:
> Section: 7.5.1
> The maximum launch altitude for flights containing research motors shall 
> be
> 75% of the waiver altitude established for the launch.
>
> Section 7.5.1.1
> A registered and active Prefecture may waive this requirement for
> individuals when it can be demonstrated (by past performance, actual 
> thrust
> curves, etc.) that the performance of the motor(s) to be used shall not
> exceed the limits of the waiver. Research flyer must be an active member 
> of
> Tripoli and certification level of at least 2.
>
> Section 7.5.1.2
> [Removed]
>
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> 


From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 14:03:49 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:03:49 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: OregonRocketry Meeting Agenda February 4th,
	2010
Message-ID: <8EE6612FEBF0430881BFAA0BADCFAEDA@LaptopKrausert>

Reminder of our next club meeting.
Cheers,
Robert


  The next Oregon Rocketry club meeting will be held at 7:30 pm on February 4th, 2010. Meeting place is the back room of Giovanni's in Beaverton, Oregon. 

  Where: Giovanni's
  12390 SW Broadway: corner of Broadway and Hall Blvd in downtown Beaverton, Oregon 97005

  Agenda:
  7:30 : Welcome New Members +
  7:30 : January Meeting Recap [Gouncher]
  7:35 : Advertising & Promotions Update [Ryerse]
  7:40 : Tripoli Portland 049 Secretary [Clark]
  7:45 : Financial Update [Moscoe]
  7:50 : Trailer Hauling Volunteer Reminder [Krausert]
  7:55 : Land Lease Renewal & 2010 FAA Waiver Update [Birzer / Krausert]


  I certainly hope you can make the meeting. Take a break from your busy schedule and join us Thursday February 4th at 7:30pm for some fun and rocket talk. Come early for dinner. 

  Cheers,
  Robert
  OregonRocketry President

From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Sun Jan 31 18:59:30 2010
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:59:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Motion: Revise TRA Research Safety Code
In-Reply-To: <62CE0F71AC9F49A2A5C936B770F0A37C@LaptopKrausert>
References: <D75B58CFA1C447F8A7A005ABF45A6FD0@LaptopKrausert>
	<002c01caa2ba$bb5188a0$31f499e0$@com>
	<62CE0F71AC9F49A2A5C936B770F0A37C@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <a40eb8eb11d5ea67764903666cfeff8f.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

Yes, yes based on flyer experience and previously proven motor
performance(test stand and/or flight).  No, no, no exemption from the 75%
rule based solely on motor and flight sims no matter how experienced the
flyer.

My two mills worth.

+McG+


> Agreed.
>
> It's all about experience and judgement. Fred for example. If you were
> flying research, and told me you're going to 19K, I'd trust that
> estimate/sim. Me for example. If I was asked on a commercial, and I said
> 19K, I'd call in the extended window. Just in case.
>
> The reason is experience. I think it makes no difference between research
> and commercial. My purpose of this recommendation is to ask why punish
> experienced research flyers.
>
> New EXers, sure. New commercial-ers, sure.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Azinger" <fred at azinger.com>
> To: "'Robert Krausert'" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>;
> <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:17 PM
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Motion: Revise TRA Research Safety Code
>
>
>> YES YES YES!!!
>> It is really hard to get a 133% increase in motor output.
>> I could see a 90% rule....seems we almost need that with commercial
>> motors
>> variability of +/-10%...
>>
>> Without such official relief from TRA, can OROC pad the waiver and then
>> exercise RSO/Prefect control on altitude limits within the OROC waiver?
>>
>> FredA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:59 PM
>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Motion: Revise TRA Research Safety Code
>>
>> TRA Prefects,
>> I find the 75% rule for research flight altitude limit extremely
>> restrictive
>> towards research flyers. Believe that once an EXer has proven motor
>> design
>> with consistent results, I feel the Prefect should be allowed to waive
>> the
>> rule. LCO/FSO still have final say over flights. But the general rule
>> seems
>> unfair to research. Someone brand new to rocketry has a rocket that sims
>> to
>> the waiver, they are basically allowed to fly because they're using a
>> commercial motor. But someone with a consistent research motor and lots
>> of
>> experience is held back to the 75% rule. Requiring TRA BoD approval
>> seems
>> wrong. The Prefect knows the research flyers in the club, and can make a
>> better judgement.
>>
>> Do you support this idea? I'll send to TRA if Prefects agree with the
>> recommended change.
>> Cheers,
>> Robert
>>
>> The Tripoli Rocketry Association Research Safety Code, version 2010
>>
>> CURRENT:
>> Section: 7.5.1
>> The maximum launch altitude for flights containing research motors shall
>> be
>> 75% of the waiver altitude established for the launch.
>>
>> Section 7.5.1.1
>> The BOD may waive this requirement when it can be demonstrated (by past
>> performance, actual thrust curves, etc.) that the performance of the
>> motor(s) to be used shall not exceed the limits of the waiver.
>>
>> Section 7.5.1.2
>> Computer simulations without actual thrust data derived from one or more
>> actual test stand firings shall not satisfy the requirements of 7.8.1.1
>>
>> RECOMMENDED CHANGE:
>> Section: 7.5.1
>> The maximum launch altitude for flights containing research motors shall
>> be
>> 75% of the waiver altitude established for the launch.
>>
>> Section 7.5.1.1
>> A registered and active Prefecture may waive this requirement for
>> individuals when it can be demonstrated (by past performance, actual
>> thrust
>> curves, etc.) that the performance of the motor(s) to be used shall not
>> exceed the limits of the waiver. Research flyer must be an active member
>> of
>> Tripoli and certification level of at least 2.
>>
>> Section 7.5.1.2
>> [Removed]
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
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From tnetcenter at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 19:38:49 2010
From: tnetcenter at gmail.com (Jeff Moore)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:38:49 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead terminals?
References: <986100.27197.qm@web65310.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E156999D21B44C53A206CC186A5FCB97@TNTCENTER>

I use the white barrier strips (what you are probably referring to as "screw 
down terminals").  They come in at least two sizes.  I use as many 
connections as necessary and cut-off the excess.

To avoid the "gunked up" problem, I cover the entire terminal strip with 
tape after everything is wired up.  Use gaff tape or the blue masking tape - 
works great!

I've never had any electrical "issues" with this wiring technique.

Jeff Moore
BORG

----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth Wallace" 
<seth.wallace at rocketmail.com>


I used to just run the wires through the bulkhead and seal it with something 
but got lots of blowby which cant be good for the flight computer. then I 
started using the little screw terminals and after running the leads back to 
the flight computer seal the hole through the bulkhead with epoxy. I tend to 
use a lot of BP and the terminals do get pretty gunked up. Also sometimes 
the ARTS2 will read continuity without a charge hooked to the charge side of 
the terminals which is disconcerting, other than that it works well.

SW

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Scott Berfield <sb at berfield.com> wrote:

I have something similar on my 4" bay that I use in a couple of rockets.
Only instead of putty, I use well nuts - they have a rubber boot and a
machine screw that expands the boot when it is tightened. Leads go through
the hole and the nut is inserted and tightened to seal it.

-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead terminals?

I don't like extra connections, so I just run the e-match wire through the
bulkplate and use some plumbers putty to seal the hole.

Mike F.



From absworld at cet.com  Sun Jan 31 19:45:13 2010
From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:45:13 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Motion: Revise TRA Research Safety Code
In-Reply-To: <D75B58CFA1C447F8A7A005ABF45A6FD0@LaptopKrausert>
References: <D75B58CFA1C447F8A7A005ABF45A6FD0@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <007001caa2f0$f79a8470$e6cf8d50$@com>

Nothing wrong with 7.5.1.1 allowing BOD to waive the limit unless BOD isn't
attending launches.

Thenow U got a different problem.

BoBerT

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:59 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Motion: Revise TRA Research Safety Code

TRA Prefects,
I find the 75% rule for research flight altitude limit extremely restrictive
towards research flyers. Believe that once an EXer has proven motor design
with consistent results, I feel the Prefect should be allowed to waive the
rule. LCO/FSO still have final say over flights. But the general rule seems
unfair to research. Someone brand new to rocketry has a rocket that sims to
the waiver, they are basically allowed to fly because they're using a
commercial motor. But someone with a consistent research motor and lots of
experience is held back to the 75% rule. Requiring TRA BoD approval seems
wrong. The Prefect knows the research flyers in the club, and can make a
better judgement.

Do you support this idea? I'll send to TRA if Prefects agree with the
recommended change. 
Cheers,
Robert

The Tripoli Rocketry Association Research Safety Code, version 2010 

CURRENT:
Section: 7.5.1
The maximum launch altitude for flights containing research motors shall be
75% of the waiver altitude established for the launch.

Section 7.5.1.1
The BOD may waive this requirement when it can be demonstrated (by past
performance, actual thrust curves, etc.) that the performance of the
motor(s) to be used shall not exceed the limits of the waiver.

Section 7.5.1.2 
Computer simulations without actual thrust data derived from one or more
actual test stand firings shall not satisfy the requirements of 7.8.1.1

RECOMMENDED CHANGE:
Section: 7.5.1
The maximum launch altitude for flights containing research motors shall be
75% of the waiver altitude established for the launch.

Section 7.5.1.1
A registered and active Prefecture may waive this requirement for
individuals when it can be demonstrated (by past performance, actual thrust
curves, etc.) that the performance of the motor(s) to be used shall not
exceed the limits of the waiver. Research flyer must be an active member of
Tripoli and certification level of at least 2. 

Section 7.5.1.2 
[Removed]

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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 20:05:57 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:05:57 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Motion: Revise TRA Research Safety Code
References: <D75B58CFA1C447F8A7A005ABF45A6FD0@LaptopKrausert>
	<007001caa2f0$f79a8470$e6cf8d50$@com>
Message-ID: <7FA1CE842AA9495BBB7A8E84A65DB777@LaptopKrausert>

TRA BoD doesn't attend our launches. My point was moving this exception 
closer to each club, versus having TRA BoD without the experience knowledge 
of an EXer.

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob & Ann Yanecek" <absworld at cet.com>
To: "'Robert Krausert'" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>; <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Motion: Revise TRA Research Safety Code


> Nothing wrong with 7.5.1.1 allowing BOD to waive the limit unless BOD 
> isn't
> attending launches.
>
> Thenow U got a different problem.
>
> BoBerT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:59 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Motion: Revise TRA Research Safety Code
>
> TRA Prefects,
> I find the 75% rule for research flight altitude limit extremely 
> restrictive
> towards research flyers. Believe that once an EXer has proven motor design
> with consistent results, I feel the Prefect should be allowed to waive the
> rule. LCO/FSO still have final say over flights. But the general rule 
> seems
> unfair to research. Someone brand new to rocketry has a rocket that sims 
> to
> the waiver, they are basically allowed to fly because they're using a
> commercial motor. But someone with a consistent research motor and lots of
> experience is held back to the 75% rule. Requiring TRA BoD approval seems
> wrong. The Prefect knows the research flyers in the club, and can make a
> better judgement.
>
> Do you support this idea? I'll send to TRA if Prefects agree with the
> recommended change.
> Cheers,
> Robert
>
> The Tripoli Rocketry Association Research Safety Code, version 2010
>
> CURRENT:
> Section: 7.5.1
> The maximum launch altitude for flights containing research motors shall 
> be
> 75% of the waiver altitude established for the launch.
>
> Section 7.5.1.1
> The BOD may waive this requirement when it can be demonstrated (by past
> performance, actual thrust curves, etc.) that the performance of the
> motor(s) to be used shall not exceed the limits of the waiver.
>
> Section 7.5.1.2
> Computer simulations without actual thrust data derived from one or more
> actual test stand firings shall not satisfy the requirements of 7.8.1.1
>
> RECOMMENDED CHANGE:
> Section: 7.5.1
> The maximum launch altitude for flights containing research motors shall 
> be
> 75% of the waiver altitude established for the launch.
>
> Section 7.5.1.1
> A registered and active Prefecture may waive this requirement for
> individuals when it can be demonstrated (by past performance, actual 
> thrust
> curves, etc.) that the performance of the motor(s) to be used shall not
> exceed the limits of the waiver. Research flyer must be an active member 
> of
> Tripoli and certification level of at least 2.
>
> Section 7.5.1.2
> [Removed]
>
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 20:06:42 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:06:42 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead terminals?
References: <986100.27197.qm@web65310.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>
	<E156999D21B44C53A206CC186A5FCB97@TNTCENTER>
Message-ID: <C7D45D46EA9A477588220321F7E8F369@LaptopKrausert>

Me again. Posted, good information.

http://rocketsnw.com/?page_id=1954

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Moore" <tnetcenter at gmail.com>
To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead terminals?


>I use the white barrier strips (what you are probably referring to as 
>"screw
> down terminals").  They come in at least two sizes.  I use as many
> connections as necessary and cut-off the excess.
>
> To avoid the "gunked up" problem, I cover the entire terminal strip with
> tape after everything is wired up.  Use gaff tape or the blue masking 
> tape -
> works great!
>
> I've never had any electrical "issues" with this wiring technique.
>
> Jeff Moore
> BORG
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth Wallace"
> <seth.wallace at rocketmail.com>
>
>
> I used to just run the wires through the bulkhead and seal it with 
> something
> but got lots of blowby which cant be good for the flight computer. then I
> started using the little screw terminals and after running the leads back 
> to
> the flight computer seal the hole through the bulkhead with epoxy. I tend 
> to
> use a lot of BP and the terminals do get pretty gunked up. Also sometimes
> the ARTS2 will read continuity without a charge hooked to the charge side 
> of
> the terminals which is disconcerting, other than that it works well.
>
> SW
>
> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Scott Berfield <sb at berfield.com> wrote:
>
> I have something similar on my 4" bay that I use in a couple of rockets.
> Only instead of putty, I use well nuts - they have a rubber boot and a
> machine screw that expands the boot when it is tightened. Leads go through
> the hole and the nut is inserted and tightened to seal it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead 
> terminals?
>
> I don't like extra connections, so I just run the e-match wire through the
> bulkplate and use some plumbers putty to seal the hole.
>
> Mike F.
>
>
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From tnetcenter at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 20:39:29 2010
From: tnetcenter at gmail.com (Jeff Moore)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:39:29 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Fins on a Minimum Diameter
References: <14c1d.3460c9fd.38966c14@aol.com>
Message-ID: <54ADD40E6E654CB2B9483F2587F4CEAE@TNTCENTER>

I like Mikes method too!  I'll have to try it myself.

The last minimum diameter rocket I built, I wanted the fins to stay on.  So 
I drilled a series of small wire diameter holes along the root edge of the 
fins.  I left enough material around each hole that I was confident it would 
take some serious torque to break the G10.  I tacked the fins on with enough 
epoxy to ensure a decent joint and to hold alignment.  Once the epoxy setup, 
I took a length of picture hanging wire and proceeded to thread it through 
the holes running from fin to fin around the airframe until I had run it 
through every hole.  The result was a stiff wire cage holding the root edge 
of the fins against the body tube.  I then used a screwdriver blade to bend 
the wire down as close to the body tube as possible.  Fillets were next 
using milled fiberglass mixed in with the epoxy.  Then some microlight body 
filler to cover over the wires against the body tube and smoothe things out. 
Then a layer of unidirectional carbon fiber tip to tip with the tow oriented 
from tip to tip.  This covers the wires quite nicely and smoothes everything 
out and also inhibits the fins from flexing in flight.

This is probably over-kill for a 54mm rocket, but those fins aren't coming 
off.  They may break above the fillets but the root edge will still be 
attached to the body tube.

If I use the technique again, I'll probably try a thick kevlar thread 
instead since it will lay tighter against the body tube and will be easier 
to cover over - probably won't be quite as strong though!

Jeff Moore
BORG

----- Original Message ----- From: <Mfreptiles at aol.com>

JB Weld with milled fiber.  You'll need the Industrial sized  tubes, not
the little ones.

Lay it in heavy on both sides of the same fin, then press 1" pvc pipe into
both fillets until it squeezes out the ends.  Then rubber band the pipes
together and then rubber band them to the airframe on both ends.  When the
JB Weld is totally cured, tap the PVC pipes off with a hammer and smooth out
the  squeeze out with a drum or flap sander on your Dremel tool.  You can do
all  the fillets at the same time if you have enough PVC pipes cut and some
 coordination.  Perfect molded fillets with just a little work to fair them
 in at the ends.

You can tip-to-tip glass over the top of that or not.  I've tested it  to
mach 2 without any overlay.

I've done the same thing using Bondo, but it is non structural and
polyester does not stick to epoxy composites so well.

The JB Weld sands easily enough anyway.  Wear a mask.

Mike F.


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From seth.wallace at rocketmail.com  Sun Jan 31 20:51:01 2010
From: seth.wallace at rocketmail.com (Seth Wallace)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:51:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead terminals?
In-Reply-To: <E156999D21B44C53A206CC186A5FCB97@TNTCENTER>
Message-ID: <543043.80809.qm@web65303.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>

I use the same white barrier strips.. Blue tape, thats a good tip, never thought of that. I've never had a failure but I have experienced the phantom continuity with several different ARTS2 units on 2 different rockets, tried experimenting with different wire lengths etc and the same intermittent result of sometimes reading continuity with nothing hooked up to the charge side of the barrier strip. The last of my GWIZ equipped rockets?buried itself?under Gerlach so I didnt have a chance to see if I had similar results with different flight computers.

SW

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Jeff Moore <tnetcenter at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Jeff Moore <tnetcenter at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead terminals?
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 7:38 PM


I use the white barrier strips (what you are probably referring to as "screw 
down terminals").? They come in at least two sizes.? I use as many 
connections as necessary and cut-off the excess.

To avoid the "gunked up" problem, I cover the entire terminal strip with 
tape after everything is wired up.? Use gaff tape or the blue masking tape - 
works great!

I've never had any electrical "issues" with this wiring technique.

Jeff Moore
BORG

----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth Wallace" 
<seth.wallace at rocketmail.com>


I used to just run the wires through the bulkhead and seal it with something 
but got lots of blowby which cant be good for the flight computer. then I 
started using the little screw terminals and after running the leads back to 
the flight computer seal the hole through the bulkhead with epoxy. I tend to 
use a lot of BP and the terminals do get pretty gunked up. Also sometimes 
the ARTS2 will read continuity without a charge hooked to the charge side of 
the terminals which is disconcerting, other than that it works well.

SW

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Scott Berfield <sb at berfield.com> wrote:

I have something similar on my 4" bay that I use in a couple of rockets.
Only instead of putty, I use well nuts - they have a rubber boot and a
machine screw that expands the boot when it is tightened. Leads go through
the hole and the nut is inserted and tightened to seal it.

-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] How do YOU do your through-the-bulkhead terminals?

I don't like extra connections, so I just run the e-match wire through the
bulkplate and use some plumbers putty to seal the hole.

Mike F.


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From johnhawkins at wavecable.com  Sun Jan 31 21:09:04 2010
From: johnhawkins at wavecable.com (John Hawkins)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:09:04 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] AeroTech decals
Message-ID: <003201caa2fc$acd32ee0$06798ca0$@com>

Hi 

I was wondering if anyone out there had a set of AeroTech mustang decals
that I may borrow to have up scaled.

Please let me know off the list if you have a set I may borrow from you. or
even buy if need be.

Thanks,

John


From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 22:46:36 2010
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:46:36 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] AeroTech decals
References: <003201caa2fc$acd32ee0$06798ca0$@com>
Message-ID: <C18DDA1A1710426DA2C54463E1DFE166@LaptopKrausert>

John,
Are you doing an upscale Mustang? Sadly I no decals. But this became my 
son's favorite rocket for a long time. Dave Bradley handed him an Aerotech 
catalog, and he moved in on the performance stats. His Mustang has flown 15 
times, mostly on G64's. I'm looking at his Mustang right now. Retired, as he 
puts it. But ready to fly.

An upscale would be cool. Keep me or us updated.

I bet if you called Aerotech, they'd give you the image files.

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hawkins" <johnhawkins at wavecable.com>
To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:09 PM
Subject: [RocketsNW] AeroTech decals


> Hi
>
> I was wondering if anyone out there had a set of AeroTech mustang decals
> that I may borrow to have up scaled.
>
> Please let me know off the list if you have a set I may borrow from you. 
> or
> even buy if need be.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
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