From kent.newman at comcast.net  Sun Mar  1 11:38:05 2009
From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:38:05 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting
Message-ID: <A608D4E387AA4BD5B87C85023B0B6955@AntecP180>

Greetings all!

 

The monthly meeting of Washington Aerospace will take place March 7th, at
7:00, at Building 43 of the Microsoft campus in Redmond.

 

Directions:

 

Take 520 East to NE 40th St Exit

 

Exit NE 40th St

 

Turn right at the top of the exit ramp - heading east on NE 40th St 

 

Turn right at the next light onto 156th Ave NE going south 

 

At the third light turn right onto NE 31st St 

 

Take your first right into the parking lot.  Building 43 is on the left.

 

425.246.0781 Brad Wright's cell phone if you get lost.

 

The agenda will include the following topics:

 

*	Review of "Fire in the Sky" preparations for 2009
*	Update on new club GSE
*	Fiberglassing phenolic and cardboard airframes.
*	NAR and Tripoli L2 written tests will be given to those who email
ahead.  Get it done before the flying season starts!!
*	Show and tell
*	General rocketry banter and bragging.

 

Regards,

 

Kent Newman

Chief Lummox (w/ Oak Leaf Clusters)

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Greetings all!
?
The monthly meeting of Washington Aerospace will take place March 7
th
, at 7:00, at Building 43 of the Microsoft campus in
Redmond
.
?
Directions:
?
Take 520 East to
NE 40th St
Exit
?
Exit
NE 40th St
?
Turn right at the top of the exit ramp - heading east on
NE 40th St
?
Turn right at the next light onto
156th Ave NE
going south
?
At the third light turn right onto
NE 31st St
?
Take your first right into the parking lot.? Building 43 is on the left.
?
425.246.0781 Brad Wright???s cell phone if you get lost.
?
The agenda will include the following topics:
?
Review of ???Fire in the Sky??? preparations for 2009
Update on new club GSE
Fiberglassing phenolic and cardboard airframes.
NAR and Tripoli L2 written tests will be given to those who email ahead.? Get it done before the flying season starts!!
Show and tell
General rocketry banter and bragging.
?
Regards,
?
Kent Newman
Chief Lummox (w/ Oak Leaf Clusters)

From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  1 22:35:48 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:35:48 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
In-Reply-To: <2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net>

It could be a long name like...

The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my 
Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!

I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's 
Leap launch.

It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park 
with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM. 

Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that might 
be present.

Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?

Robert



patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
> How about March Mudness?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>
>
>   
>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about 'The Ides 
>> of March'?
>>
>> Jim Stewart
>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>
>> Suggestion.
>>
>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>
>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights in 60 
>> Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Robert
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>> To: Bill Munds
>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>
>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>
>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>> "Green Thunder"
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood 
>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE 
>>> GREATER GOOD
>>> Join me
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE to
>>>> help make each launch a great one.
>>>>
>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but no name
>>>> has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few 
>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts interfered. 
>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been scheduled?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>> From:
>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>> To:
>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>> Sent:
>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>> Subject:
>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>> Thanks to the fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed
>>>>> Out Thunder 2009.
>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids showed
>>>>> up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models to fly. Brad
>>>>> and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP (all three were
>>>>> sans rockets however). George came a bit later with a box o'rockets
>>>>> as well as some other flyers and spectators.
>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches. Scott
>>>>> got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that drifted back
>>>>> and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had about 25-30 total
>>>>> launches including a few others on the field that were not in our
>>>>> immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F. A few AP motors were
>>>>> flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>> I posted my pictures here: 
>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU 
>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Dave
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rockets mailing list
>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>
>> -- 
>> - Dave
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>   
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>   
>
>   


From vern_knowles at att.net  Tue Mar  3 21:52:04 2009
From: vern_knowles at att.net (Vern Knowles)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:52:04 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] 1/4 scale PML Patriot for sale
Message-ID: <005b01c99c8d$5959d0f0$0400a8c0@MainPC>


Logan VanCuren used to fly rockets with Tripoli Idaho and has a 1/4 scale PML Patriot for sale.
Photos and more information is posted here:

http://www.vernk.com/ForSale.htm

Please contact Logan directly if you are interested.  His email address is on the web page at that
link. 

Vern Knowles


From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Wed Mar  4 19:07:38 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:07:38 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
	<49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A0D@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).  Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
 
Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let it carbonate between now and then.
 
I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification flight or two.
 
Peter Schurke
Teacher and Lead Advisor
Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
Ingraham High School
Seattle, WA

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch



It could be a long name like...

The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my
Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!

I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
Leap launch.

It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.

Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that might
be present.

Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?

Robert



patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
> How about March Mudness?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>
>
>  
>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about 'The Ides
>> of March'?
>>
>> Jim Stewart
>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>
>> Suggestion.
>>
>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>
>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights in 60
>> Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Robert
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>> To: Bill Munds
>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>
>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>
>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>> "Green Thunder"
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>    
>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>>> GREATER GOOD
>>> Join me
>>>
>>>      
>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE to
>>>> help make each launch a great one.
>>>>
>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but no name
>>>> has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>        
>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few
>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts interfered.
>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been scheduled?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>> From:
>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>> To:
>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>> Sent:
>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>> Subject:
>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>> Thanks to the fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed
>>>>> Out Thunder 2009.
>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids showed
>>>>> up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models to fly. Brad
>>>>> and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP (all three were
>>>>> sans rockets however). George came a bit later with a box o'rockets
>>>>> as well as some other flyers and spectators.
>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches. Scott
>>>>> got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that drifted back
>>>>> and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had about 25-30 total
>>>>> launches including a few others on the field that were not in our
>>>>> immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F. A few AP motors were
>>>>> flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Dave
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>>        
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rockets mailing list
>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>
>> --
>> - Dave
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>  
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>    
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>  
>
>  

_______________________________________________
Rockets mailing list
Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
 



From bar0051 at homenetnw.net  Thu Mar  5 20:06:13 2009
From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net (Bryon Schopp)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:06:13 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] L&I Magazine inspection
Message-ID: <659A4DF42D314503AA838B83AD22E43E@MEDIONDeskTop>

I had my inspection by Washington State L&I today, no problems and painless.  The inspector said that there is a bill in the state legislature to change the licensing from every year to every 3 years.  He thought it would pass with no problems so we should not have to go through the hassle of getting fingerprinted and pay every year.  Finally, some good news!

 

Bryon Schopp
-------------- next part --------------
I had my inspection by
Washington
State L&I today, no problems and painless.
?
The inspector said that there is a bill in the state legislature to change the licensing from every year to every 3 years.
?
He thought it would pass with no problems so we should not have to go through the hassle of getting fingerprinted and pay every year.
?
Finally, some good news!
?
Bryon Schopp

From kent.newman at comcast.net  Thu Mar  5 20:50:05 2009
From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:50:05 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] L&I Magazine inspection
In-Reply-To: <659A4DF42D314503AA838B83AD22E43E@MEDIONDeskTop>
References: <659A4DF42D314503AA838B83AD22E43E@MEDIONDeskTop>
Message-ID: <C8BBBE4E7FC449C8B11553384092464E@AntecP180>

Yep, talked to the L&I on Monday and they told me almost the same thing.
Jennifer said that the 3 years was for fingerprinting and not license
renewal; the renewal would remain annual.  In fact, I told her that it would
be better to mimic the ATF and do the whole thing on a 3 -year rotation.  

 

Hope that you're right, Bryon.

 

Kent

 

  _____  

From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org
[mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:06 PM
To: SPARC (E-mail); WAC Members; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [WAC-Members] L&I Magazine inspection

 

I had my inspection by Washington State L&I today, no problems and painless.
The inspector said that there is a bill in the state legislature to change
the licensing from every year to every 3 years.  He thought it would pass
with no problems so we should not have to go through the hassle of getting
fingerprinted and pay every year.  Finally, some good news!

 

Bryon Schopp

-------------- next part --------------
Yep, talked to the L&I on Monday and they told me almost the same thing. Jennifer said that the 3 years was for fingerprinting and not license renewal; the renewal would remain annual. In fact, I told her that it would be better to mimic the ATF and do the whole thing on a 3 ???year rotation.
?
Hope that you???re right, Bryon.
?
Kent
?
From:
members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org]
On Behalf Of
Bryon Schopp
Sent:
Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:06 PM
To:
SPARC (E-mail); WAC Members;
rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject:
[WAC-Members] L&I Magazine inspection
?
I had my inspection by
Washington
State L&I today, no problems and painless.? The inspector said that there is a bill in the state legislature to change the licensing from every year to every 3 years.? He thought it would pass with no problems so we should not have to go through the hassle of getting fingerprinted and pay every year.? Finally, some good news!
?
Bryon Schopp

From bar0051 at homenetnw.net  Thu Mar  5 21:02:23 2009
From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net (Bryon Schopp)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:02:23 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] L&I Magazine inspection
References: <659A4DF42D314503AA838B83AD22E43E@MEDIONDeskTop>
	<C8BBBE4E7FC449C8B11553384092464E@AntecP180>
Message-ID: <F1E36FCA8E0A449FA483DD32DCD10D2E@MEDIONDeskTop>

Even changing just the fingerprinting would be a big help as that is about $50 to process plus the hassle and expence of getting them.

Bryon
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kent Newman 
  To: 'Bryon Schopp' ; 'SPARC (E-mail)' ; 'WAC Members' ; rockets at rocketsnw.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:50 PM
  Subject: RE: [WAC-Members] L&I Magazine inspection


  Yep, talked to the L&I on Monday and they told me almost the same thing.  Jennifer said that the 3 years was for fingerprinting and not license renewal; the renewal would remain annual.  In fact, I told her that it would be better to mimic the ATF and do the whole thing on a 3 -year rotation.  

   

  Hope that you're right, Bryon.

   

  Kent

   


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  From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:06 PM
  To: SPARC (E-mail); WAC Members; rockets at rocketsnw.com
  Subject: [WAC-Members] L&I Magazine inspection

   

  I had my inspection by Washington State L&I today, no problems and painless.  The inspector said that there is a bill in the state legislature to change the licensing from every year to every 3 years.  He thought it would pass with no problems so we should not have to go through the hassle of getting fingerprinted and pay every year.  Finally, some good news!

   

  Bryon Schopp
-------------- next part --------------
Even changing just the fingerprinting would be a big help as that is about $50 to process plus the hassle and expence of getting them.
?
Bryon
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:kent.newman at comcast.net Kent Newman
To:
mailto:bar0051 at homenetnw.net 'Bryon Schopp'
; mailto:sparc at northwestrocketry.com 'SPARC (E-mail)'
; mailto:members at washingtonaerospace.org 'WAC Members'
; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent:
Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:50 PM
Subject:
RE: [WAC-Members] L&I Magazine inspection
Yep, talked to the L&I on Monday and they told me almost the same thing.? Jennifer said that the 3 years was for fingerprinting and not license renewal; the renewal would remain annual.? In fact, I told her that it would be better to mimic the ATF and do the whole thing on a 3 ?year rotation.?
?
Hope that you?re right, Bryon.
?
Kent
?
From:
mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org
[mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org]
On Behalf Of
Bryon Schopp
Sent:
Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:06 PM
To:
SPARC (E-mail); WAC Members;
mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject:
[WAC-Members] L&I Magazine inspection
?
I had my inspection by
Washington
State L&I today, no problems and painless.? The inspector said that there is a bill in the state legislature to change the licensing from every year to every 3 years.? He thought it would pass with no problems so we should not have to go through the hassle of getting fingerprinted and pay every year.? Finally, some good news!
?
Bryon Schopp

From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  5 21:46:23 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:46:23 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A0D@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>	<49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A0D@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
Message-ID: <49B0B8AF.7040100@earthlink.net>

Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.

Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are 
planning to attend from your group?

Robert


Schurke, Peter wrote:
> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).  Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>  
> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let it carbonate between now and then.
>  
> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification flight or two.
>  
> Peter Schurke
> Teacher and Lead Advisor
> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
> Ingraham High School
> Seattle, WA
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
>
>
> It could be a long name like...
>
> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my
> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>
> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
> Leap launch.
>
> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>
> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that might
> be present.
>
> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>   
>> How about March Mudness?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>
>>
>>  
>>     
>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about 'The Ides
>>> of March'?
>>>
>>> Jim Stewart
>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>
>>> Suggestion.
>>>
>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>
>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights in 60
>>> Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>> To: Bill Munds
>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>
>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>
>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>    
>>>       
>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>>>> GREATER GOOD
>>>> Join me
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE to
>>>>> help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>
>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but no name
>>>>> has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few
>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts interfered.
>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been scheduled?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>> From:
>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>> Thanks to the fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed
>>>>>> Out Thunder 2009.
>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids showed
>>>>>> up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models to fly. Brad
>>>>>> and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP (all three were
>>>>>> sans rockets however). George came a bit later with a box o'rockets
>>>>>> as well as some other flyers and spectators.
>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches. Scott
>>>>>> got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that drifted back
>>>>>> and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had about 25-30 total
>>>>>> launches including a few others on the field that were not in our
>>>>>> immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F. A few AP motors were
>>>>>> flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>             
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>> --
>>> - Dave
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rockets mailing list
>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rockets mailing list
>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>  
>>     
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rockets mailing list
>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>  
>>
>>  
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>  
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>   
>
>   


From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Fri Mar  6 08:08:27 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:08:27 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A10@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>	<49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A0D@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<49B0B8AF.7040100@earthlink.net>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A10@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
Message-ID: <49B14A7B.5090600@earthlink.net>

Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA 
or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3 
lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under 
3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.

Who else is planning to come out to the launch?

Robert

Schurke, Peter wrote:
> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>  
> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101 notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>  
> Pete
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
>
>
> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>
> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are
> planning to attend from your group?
>
> Robert
>
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>   
>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).  Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>>
>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let it carbonate between now and then.
>>
>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification flight or two.
>>
>> Peter Schurke
>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>> Ingraham High School
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>>
>>
>> It could be a long name like...
>>
>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my
>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>
>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
>> Leap launch.
>>
>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>
>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that might
>> be present.
>>
>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>>
>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>  
>>     
>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about 'The Ides
>>>> of March'?
>>>>
>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>
>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights in 60
>>>> Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>
>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>>>>> GREATER GOOD
>>>>> Join me
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE to
>>>>>> help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but no name
>>>>>> has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few
>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts interfered.
>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been scheduled?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>> Thanks to the fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed
>>>>>>> Out Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids showed
>>>>>>> up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models to fly. Brad
>>>>>>> and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP (all three were
>>>>>>> sans rockets however). George came a bit later with a box o'rockets
>>>>>>> as well as some other flyers and spectators.
>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches. Scott
>>>>>>> got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that drifted back
>>>>>>> and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had about 25-30 total
>>>>>>> launches including a few others on the field that were not in our
>>>>>>> immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F. A few AP motors were
>>>>>>> flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>>> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>             
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> --
>>>> - Dave
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rockets mailing list
>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>  
>>
>>  
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>  
>
>
>
>   


From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Fri Mar  6 08:13:05 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:13:05 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>	<49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A0D@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B0B8AF.7040100@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A10@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<49B14A7B.5090600@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D944@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

Correction:

The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
and the administration decides not to quash the change.

Sigh of discontent... 

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch

Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.

Who else is planning to come out to the launch?

Robert

Schurke, Peter wrote:
> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>  
> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>  
> Pete
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
>
>
> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>
> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are 
> planning to attend from your group?
>
> Robert
>
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>   
>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>>
>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
it carbonate between now and then.
>>
>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
flight or two.
>>
>> Peter Schurke
>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>> Ingraham High School
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>>
>>
>> It could be a long name like...
>>
>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my 
>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>
>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's

>> Leap launch.
>>
>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park

>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>
>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that 
>> might be present.
>>
>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>>
>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>  
>>     
>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about 
>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>
>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>
>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights

>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>
>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE

>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in

>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for 
>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE 
>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but 
>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few 
>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
interfered.
>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
scheduled?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the 
>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out 
>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids 
>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models 
>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP 
>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later 
>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
spectators.
>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although

>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always 
>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches. 
>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that 
>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had 
>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field 
>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F. 
>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>>> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> --------
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>>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>             
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> --
>>>> - Dave
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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>>>>   
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>    
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>> _______________________________________________
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From kent.newman at comcast.net  Fri Mar  6 08:37:14 2009
From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:37:14 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D944@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>	<49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A0D@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B0B8AF.7040100@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A10@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B14A7B.5090600@earthlink.net>
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And, so it would seem :-)

In my conversations with the FAA NW Region Office this week, however, the
new regs are to be followed.  They are the local AHJ.  

We should follow the new regs.



-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:13 AM
To: Hammer; NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch

Correction:

The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
and the administration decides not to quash the change.

Sigh of discontent... 

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch

Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.

Who else is planning to come out to the launch?

Robert

Schurke, Peter wrote:
> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>  
> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>  
> Pete
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
>
>
> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>
> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are 
> planning to attend from your group?
>
> Robert
>
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>   
>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>>
>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
it carbonate between now and then.
>>
>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
flight or two.
>>
>> Peter Schurke
>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>> Ingraham High School
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>>
>>
>> It could be a long name like...
>>
>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my 
>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>
>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's

>> Leap launch.
>>
>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park

>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>
>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that 
>> might be present.
>>
>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>>
>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>  
>>     
>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about 
>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>
>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>
>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights

>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>
>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE

>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in

>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for 
>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE 
>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but 
>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few 
>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
interfered.
>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
scheduled?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the 
>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out 
>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids 
>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models 
>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP 
>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later 
>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
spectators.
>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although

>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always 
>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches. 
>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that 
>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had 
>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field 
>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F. 
>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>>> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> --------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>             
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> --
>>>> - Dave
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Fri Mar  6 08:55:58 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:55:58 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D944@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>	<49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A0D@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B0B8AF.7040100@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A10@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
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So the news desk article on RocketryPlanet.com published on 3FEB09 about 
the new regs being in effect is incorrect?

Someone might want to alert RP that these regs won't go into effect 
until 60 or ninety days after 2FEB09. Otherwise a significant number of 
individual rocketeers as well as clubs might be out there flying FAR101 
rockets without doing the necessary notifications.

I have not received any emails from Cheryl Brown at the FAA that the reg 
implementation has been delayed. The last email I received from her was 
that the rules were going into effect and received an updated copy which 
I posted on the RocketsNW server. Is it possible that the FAA has not 
been notified of the delay? Is it safe to assume that if I and others 
have not been directly contacted about the delay by the FAA that we 
could go ahead and fly under the new regs?

Robert

http://www.rocketryplanet.com/content/view/2740/29/
New FAA regulations now in effect

Industry News by Planet News
Tuesday, February 03, 2009

WORLD WIDE WEB ? The New U.S. Federal Aviation Administration ruling 
regarding hobby rocketry went into effect yesterday, reducing the 
notification requirements for most hobby rocketry enthusiasts 
nationwide. The new ruling was published in the Federal Register on 
December 4, 2008 with an effective date of February 2, 2009.

The new ruling merged two previous classifications of model rocketry, 
model and large model rockets, into one class, identified as Class 1 
Model Rockets. This class, defined at 14 CFR 101.22(a), identifies a 
Class 1 Model Rocket as an amateur rocket that uses a slow-burning 
propellant, is made of paper, wood or breakable plastic, contains no 
substantial metal parts, and weighs no more than 1,500 grams, or 53 
ounces, including propellant.

The old rules for large model rockets, requiring notification of the 
FAA, no longer apply as long as the operating limitations of 14 CFR 
101.23 are followed:

    * Is launched on a suborbital trajectory;
    * When launched, must not cross into the territory of a foreign
      country unless an agreement is in place between the United States
      and the country of concern;
    * Is unmanned; and
    * Does not create a hazard to persons, property, or other aircraft.

The FAA may specify additional operating limitations necessary to ensure 
that air traffic is not adversely affected, and public safety is not 
jeopardized.

For enthusiasts that participate in high power rocketry, the new FAA 
Class 2 category provides for those rockets which operate with up to 
40,960 N-s of total impulse, or what is considered an "O" impulse motor. 
In addition to the considerations above, Class 2 rockets must also 
operate under these considerations:

    * In addition, you must not operate a Class 2 High Power Rocket
    * At any altitude where clouds or obscuring phenomena of more than
      five tenths coverage prevails;
    * At any altitude where the horizontal visibility is less than five
      miles;
    * Into any cloud;
    * Between sunset and sunrise without prior authorization from the FAA;
    * Within 8 kilometers (5 statute miles) of any airport boundary
      without prior authorization from the FAA;
    * In controlled airspace without prior authorization from the FAA;
    * Unless you observe the greater of the following separation
      distances from any person or property that is not associated with
      the operations applies:
      i. Not less than one quarter the maximum expected altitude;
      ii. 457 meters (1,500 ft.);
    * Unless a person at least eighteen years old is present, is charged
      with ensuring the safety of the operation, and has final approval
      authority for initiating high power rocket flight; and
    * Unless reasonable precautions are provided to report and control a
      fire caused by rocket activities.

To assist their members with FAA waivers, the National Association of 
Rocketry has prepared a page on their website to assist with waiver 
application filings. You can read more about this at: 
http://www.nar.org/cabinet/waiverinst.html.

Two other classes also become effective: a Class 3 Advanced High Power 
rocket class, which includes any amatuer rocket that exceeds 40,960 N-s 
of total impulse, and a Class 4 Other category which includes any 
unmanned rocket that is not an amateur rocket. The new Class 3 is the 
most controversial new classification for hobby enthusiasts, in that all 
Class 3 flights have to apply for their own FAA waivers individually, 
making it much more difficult for participants of these larger amateur 
rockets to get past the regulatory red tape.



Schurke, Peter wrote:
> Correction:
>
> The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
> remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
> administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
> previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
> forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
> and the administration decides not to quash the change.
>
> Sigh of discontent... 
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
> Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
> or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
> lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
> 3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.
>
> Who else is planning to come out to the launch?
>
> Robert
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>   
>> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
>>     
> will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
> all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>   
>>  
>> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
>>     
> notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
> make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>   
>>  
>> Pete
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>>
>> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are 
>> planning to attend from your group?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
>>>       
> a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
> Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>   
>>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
>>>       
> it carbonate between now and then.
>   
>>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
>>>       
> their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
> good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
> flight or two.
>   
>>> Peter Schurke
>>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>> Ingraham High School
>>> Seattle, WA
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It could be a long name like...
>>>
>>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my 
>>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>>
>>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
>>>       
>
>   
>>> Leap launch.
>>>
>>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
>>>       
>
>   
>>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>>
>>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that 
>>> might be present.
>>>
>>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>>  
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about 
>>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>>
>>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights
>>>>>           
>
>   
>>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>      
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>>>>>>             
>
>   
>>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>        
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>>>>>               
>
>   
>>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for 
>>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE 
>>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but 
>>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few 
>>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
>>>>>>>>                 
> interfered.
>   
>>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
>>>>>>>>                 
> scheduled?
>   
>>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the 
>>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out 
>>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids 
>>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models 
>>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP 
>>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later 
>>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
>>>>>>>>                 
> spectators.
>   
>>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>>>>>                 
>
>   
>>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always 
>>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches. 
>>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that 
>>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had 
>>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field 
>>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F. 
>>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>>>> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
>>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> --------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>        
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Dave
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>      
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> ------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>      
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rockets mailing list
>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>     
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>
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From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Fri Mar  6 08:58:13 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:58:13 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>	<49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A0D@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B0B8AF.7040100@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A10@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B14A7B.5090600@earthlink.net>
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	<688343A79ACF47BE91AF559CC84A36A7@AntecP180>
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I stand corrected on my correction!  WooooooHoooooooooooo!!!!!!

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Newman [mailto:kent.newman at comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:37 AM
To: Schurke, Peter; 'Hammer'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch

And, so it would seem :-)

In my conversations with the FAA NW Region Office this week, however,
the new regs are to be followed.  They are the local AHJ.  

We should follow the new regs.



-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:13 AM
To: Hammer; NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch

Correction:

The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
and the administration decides not to quash the change.

Sigh of discontent... 

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch

Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.

Who else is planning to come out to the launch?

Robert

Schurke, Peter wrote:
> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>  
> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>  
> Pete
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
>
>
> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>
> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are 
> planning to attend from your group?
>
> Robert
>
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>   
>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>>
>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
it carbonate between now and then.
>>
>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
flight or two.
>>
>> Peter Schurke
>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>> Ingraham High School
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>>
>>
>> It could be a long name like...
>>
>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my 
>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>
>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's

>> Leap launch.
>>
>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park

>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>
>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that 
>> might be present.
>>
>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>>
>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>  
>>     
>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about 
>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>
>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>
>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights

>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>
>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE

>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in

>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for 
>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE 
>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but 
>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few 
>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
interfered.
>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
scheduled?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the 
>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out 
>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids 
>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models 
>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP 
>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later 
>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
spectators.
>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although

>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always 
>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches.
>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that 
>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had 
>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field 
>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F.
>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>>> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> --------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>             
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> --
>>>> - Dave
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
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>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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>>>>      
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Fri Mar  6 09:05:53 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:05:53 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
In-Reply-To: <688343A79ACF47BE91AF559CC84A36A7@AntecP180>
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This news should encourage more rocketeers to come out and fly at 
Leprechaun's Leap.

Thanks for the update, Ken!  That saves me an email and a phone call.

Robert

Kent Newman wrote:
> And, so it would seem :-)
>
> In my conversations with the FAA NW Region Office this week, however, the
> new regs are to be followed.  They are the local AHJ.  
>
> We should follow the new regs.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:13 AM
> To: Hammer; NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
> Correction:
>
> The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
> remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
> administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
> previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
> forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
> and the administration decides not to quash the change.
>
> Sigh of discontent... 
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
> Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
> or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
> lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
> 3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.
>
> Who else is planning to come out to the launch?
>
> Robert
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>   
>> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
>>     
> will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
> all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>   
>>  
>> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
>>     
> notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
> make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>   
>>  
>> Pete
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>>
>> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are 
>> planning to attend from your group?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
>>>       
> a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
> Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>   
>>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
>>>       
> it carbonate between now and then.
>   
>>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
>>>       
> their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
> good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
> flight or two.
>   
>>> Peter Schurke
>>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>> Ingraham High School
>>> Seattle, WA
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It could be a long name like...
>>>
>>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my 
>>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>>
>>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
>>>       
>
>   
>>> Leap launch.
>>>
>>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
>>>       
>
>   
>>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>>
>>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that 
>>> might be present.
>>>
>>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>>  
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about 
>>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>>
>>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights
>>>>>           
>
>   
>>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>      
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>>>>>>             
>
>   
>>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>        
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>>>>>               
>
>   
>>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for 
>>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE 
>>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but 
>>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few 
>>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
>>>>>>>>                 
> interfered.
>   
>>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
>>>>>>>>                 
> scheduled?
>   
>>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the 
>>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out 
>>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids 
>>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models 
>>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP 
>>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later 
>>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
>>>>>>>>                 
> spectators.
>   
>>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>>>>>                 
>
>   
>>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always 
>>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches. 
>>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that 
>>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had 
>>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field 
>>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F. 
>>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>>>> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
>>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
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>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>        
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Dave
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>      
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>    
>>>>       
>>>>         
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From winningstad at comcast.net  Fri Mar  6 09:11:29 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:11:29 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
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Slight correction:

Less than 'or equal to' 3.3lbs and less than 'or equal to' 62.5 grams...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:58 AM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch

 
I stand corrected on my correction!  WooooooHoooooooooooo!!!!!!

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Newman [mailto:kent.newman at comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:37 AM
To: Schurke, Peter; 'Hammer'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch

And, so it would seem :-)

In my conversations with the FAA NW Region Office this week, however,
the new regs are to be followed.  They are the local AHJ.  

We should follow the new regs.



-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:13 AM
To: Hammer; NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch

Correction:

The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
and the administration decides not to quash the change.

Sigh of discontent... 

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch

Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.

Who else is planning to come out to the launch?

Robert

Schurke, Peter wrote:
> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>  
> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>  
> Pete
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
>
>
> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>
> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are 
> planning to attend from your group?
>
> Robert
>
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>   
>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>>
>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
it carbonate between now and then.
>>
>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
flight or two.
>>
>> Peter Schurke
>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>> Ingraham High School
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>>
>>
>> It could be a long name like...
>>
>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my 
>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>
>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's

>> Leap launch.
>>
>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park

>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>
>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that 
>> might be present.
>>
>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>>
>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>  
>>     
>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about 
>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>
>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>
>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights

>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>
>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE

>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in

>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for 
>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE 
>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but 
>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few 
>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
interfered.
>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
scheduled?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the 
>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out 
>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids 
>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models 
>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP 
>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later 
>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
spectators.
>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although

>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always 
>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches.
>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that 
>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had 
>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field 
>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F.
>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>>> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> --------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>             
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> --
>>>> - Dave
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rockets mailing list
>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>  
>>
>>  
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>  
>
>
>
>   

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From ethan.e.jones at boeing.com  Fri Mar  6 09:17:26 2009
From: ethan.e.jones at boeing.com (Jones, Ethan E)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:17:26 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Lawsuit
Message-ID: <F0A95F6CD684A14696C12B97177E31C8080CF58C@XCH-NW-4V1.nw.nos.boeing.com>


Is there any news on the lawsuit against the government. I haven't heard
or seen anything mentioned in a very long time. I know these type of
cases can drag out, but this seems to be getting ridiculous.

Ethan Jones

From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Fri Mar  6 09:35:52 2009
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:35:52 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Lawsuit
In-Reply-To: <F0A95F6CD684A14696C12B97177E31C8080CF58C@XCH-NW-4V1.nw.nos.boeing.com>
References: <F0A95F6CD684A14696C12B97177E31C8080CF58C@XCH-NW-4V1.nw.nos.boeing.com>
Message-ID: <49B15EF8.9050109@hawkfeather.com>

This is the latest:

http://www.tripoli.org/documents/batfe/20090217JointStatement.shtml

Andrew.

Jones, Ethan E wrote:
> Is there any news on the lawsuit against the government. I haven't heard
> or seen anything mentioned in a very long time. I know these type of
> cases can drag out, but this seems to be getting ridiculous.
> 
> Ethan Jones
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>   
> 

From ethan.e.jones at boeing.com  Fri Mar  6 10:27:04 2009
From: ethan.e.jones at boeing.com (Jones, Ethan E)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:27:04 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Lawsuit
In-Reply-To: <49B15EF8.9050109@hawkfeather.com>
References: <F0A95F6CD684A14696C12B97177E31C8080CF58C@XCH-NW-4V1.nw.nos.boeing.com>
	<49B15EF8.9050109@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <F0A95F6CD684A14696C12B97177E31C8080CF58F@XCH-NW-4V1.nw.nos.boeing.com>


 Thanks you sir.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew MacMillen [mailto:andrewm at hawkfeather.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:36 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Lawsuit

This is the latest:

http://www.tripoli.org/documents/batfe/20090217JointStatement.shtml

Andrew.

Jones, Ethan E wrote:
> Is there any news on the lawsuit against the government. I haven't 
> heard or seen anything mentioned in a very long time. I know these 
> type of cases can drag out, but this seems to be getting ridiculous.
> 
> Ethan Jones
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>   
> 
_______________________________________________
Rockets mailing list
Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  

From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com  Fri Mar  6 12:09:28 2009
From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:09:28 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
In-Reply-To: <49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net>
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com><2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
	<49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121A03@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com>

I had to laugh...
Back in the day, my brother and I each picked out a rocket or two from
the '68 Estes catalog. I of course chose and Alpha. Later a Big Bertha
and Streak. After that, we bought an assortment of parts and designed
our own. We threw one together quickly, didn't sand it at all and hit it
with some green spray paint I found in the garden shed.

We called it,

"The Green Bugah"

steve


Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?

Robert




From bjarchow at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 14:13:16 2009
From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:13:16 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Lawsuit
In-Reply-To: <49B15EF8.9050109@hawkfeather.com>
References: <F0A95F6CD684A14696C12B97177E31C8080CF58C@XCH-NW-4V1.nw.nos.boeing.com>
	<49B15EF8.9050109@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <a5b4f5770903061413u7229456gf76f1b85033e5db5@mail.gmail.com>

Is anybody taking bets on the likelihood the 3/23 hearing will be postponed
indefinitely like a few others?

Hopefully we'll have a resolution soon. But this has been pathetically slow!
If it was a criminal case I would be claiming a violation of my right to a
speedy trial!

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Andrew MacMillen <andrewm at hawkfeather.com>wrote:

> This is the latest:
>
> http://www.tripoli.org/documents/batfe/20090217JointStatement.shtml
>
> Andrew.
>
> Jones, Ethan E wrote:
> > Is there any news on the lawsuit against the government. I haven't heard
> > or seen anything mentioned in a very long time. I know these type of
> > cases can drag out, but this seems to be getting ridiculous.
> >
> > Ethan Jones
>
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Hopefully we'll have a resolution soon. But this has been pathetically slow! If it was a criminal case I would be claiming a violation of my right to a speedy trial!
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Andrew MacMillen
< mailto:andrewm at hawkfeather.com andrewm at hawkfeather.com
>
wrote:
This is the latest:
http://www.tripoli.org/documents/batfe/20090217JointStatement.shtml http://www.tripoli.org/documents/batfe/20090217JointStatement.shtml
Andrew.
Jones, Ethan E wrote:
> Is there any news on the lawsuit against the government. I haven't heard
> or seen anything mentioned in a very long time. I know these type of
> cases can drag out, but this seems to be getting ridiculous.
>
> Ethan Jones

From carl20320 at msn.com  Fri Mar  6 16:10:46 2009
From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:10:46 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
In-Reply-To: <49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net>
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> 
	<49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <COL120-W26D054F11B69247FAF5663EAA20@phx.gbl>


Might launch one for for this guy.  He was a 4-H leader in rocketry that recently lost the battle to cancer.
 

http://www.legacy.com/HeraldNet/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=124787993

 
> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:35:48 -0800
> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
> 
> It could be a long name like...
> 
> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my 
> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March launch. LOL!
> 
> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's 
> Leap launch.
> 
> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park 
> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM. 
> 
> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that might 
> be present.
> 
> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
> > How about March Mudness?
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
> > To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
> >
> >
> > 
> >> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about 'The Ides 
> >> of March'?
> >>
> >> Jim Stewart
> >> je_stewart at yahoo.com
> >> james_stewart at urscorp.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
> >> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
> >> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
> >>
> >> Suggestion.
> >>
> >> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
> >>
> >> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights in 60 
> >> Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Robert
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] 
> >> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
> >> To: Bill Munds
> >> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
> >>
> >> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
> >>
> >> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
> >> "Green Thunder"
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> How about WET AND WINDY
> >>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood 
> >>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE 
> >>> GREATER GOOD
> >>> Join me
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
> >>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> >>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
> >>>>
> >>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
> >>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
> >>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE to
> >>>> help make each launch a great one.
> >>>>
> >>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but no name
> >>>> has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> James Stewart wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few 
> >>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts interfered. 
> >>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been scheduled?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim Stewart
> >>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
> >>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
> >>>>> From:
> >>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To:
> >>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> >>>>> Sent:
> >>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
> >>>>> Subject:
> >>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
> >>>>> Thanks to the fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed
> >>>>> Out Thunder 2009.
> >>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids showed
> >>>>> up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models to fly. Brad
> >>>>> and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP (all three were
> >>>>> sans rockets however). George came a bit later with a box o'rockets
> >>>>> as well as some other flyers and spectators.
> >>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
> >>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
> >>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches. Scott
> >>>>> got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that drifted back
> >>>>> and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had about 25-30 total
> >>>>> launches including a few others on the field that were not in our
> >>>>> immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F. A few AP motors were
> >>>>> flown, mostly BP though.
> >>>>> I posted my pictures here: 
> >>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU 
> >>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
> >>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> - Dave
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Rockets mailing list
> >>>>> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 
> >>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Rockets mailing list
> >>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Rockets mailing list
> >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>>>
> >>>> 
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Rockets mailing list
> >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> - Dave
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Rockets mailing list
> >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Rockets mailing list
> >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Rockets mailing list
> >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rockets mailing list
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> > 
> >
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 
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Might?launch one for for this guy.??He was a 4-H leader in rocketry that recently lost the battle to cancer.
?
http://www.legacy.com/HeraldNet/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=124787993 http://www.legacy.com/HeraldNet/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=124787993
?
> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:35:48 -0800
> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
> It could be a long name like...
>
> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my
> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March launch. LOL!
>
> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
> Leap launch.
>
> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>
> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that might
> be present.
>
> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
> > How about March Mudness?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
> > To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
> >
> >
> >
> >> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about 'The Ides
> >> of March'?
> >>
> >> Jim Stewart
> >> je_stewart at yahoo.com
> >> james_stewart at urscorp.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
> >> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
> >> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
> >>
> >> Suggestion.
> >>
> >> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
> >>
> >> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights in 60
> >> Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Robert
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
> >> To: Bill Munds
> >> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
> >>
> >> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
> >>
> >> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
> >> "Green Thunder"
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> How about WET AND WINDY
> >>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
> >>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
> >>> GREATER GOOD
> >>> Join me
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
> >>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> >>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
> >>>>
> >>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
> >>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
> >>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE to
> >>>> help make each launch a great one.
> >>>>
> >>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but no name
> >>>> has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> James Stewart wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few
> >>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts interfered.
> >>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been scheduled?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim Stewart
> >>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
> >>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
> >>>>> From:
> >>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To:
> >>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> >>>>> Sent:
> >>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
> >>>>> Subject:
> >>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
> >>>>> Thanks to the fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed
> >>>>> Out Thunder 2009.
> >>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids showed
> >>>>> up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models to fly. Brad
> >>>>> and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP (all three were
> >>>>> sans rockets however). George came a bit later with a box o'rockets
> >>>>> as well as some other flyers and spectators.
> >>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
> >>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
> >>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches. Scott
> >>>>> got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that drifted back
> >>>>> and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had about 25-30 total
> >>>>> launches including a few others on the field that were not in our
> >>>>> immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F. A few AP motors were
> >>>>> flown, mostly BP though.
> >>>>> I posted my pictures here:
> >>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
> >>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
> >>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> - Dave
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Rockets mailing list
> >>>>> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Rockets mailing list
> >>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Rockets mailing list
> >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Rockets mailing list
> >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> - Dave
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Rockets mailing list
> >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Rockets mailing list
> >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >> _______________________________________________
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 16:11:21 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:11:21 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>	<49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A0D@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B0B8AF.7040100@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A10@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B14A7B.5090600@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D944@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<49B1559E.8070108@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <007b01c99eb9$3fe6d2c0$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>

OK, Here is what I know.

Obama only blocked legislation that was signed by the Whitehouse. This was a 
change only to regulations and to accomodate the paper reduction act. No sig 
by Bush. Therefore, this new rule is registered and active today. No 60-90 
day delay based on the "holds" placed on signed laws/bills.

As far as the registry is concerned, this new classing and notification 
requirements are in effect now. I'm no legal guy. But the new administration 
only blocked those that went through the Whitehouse. This one never did.

Just remember, table 1 requires a launch zone 5 miles from an airport. Those 
within 5 mile must revert to table 2, the FAR101 stuff. Read the rules when 
within 5 miles, and yes 24 hour notice still applies. B e acreful. Inside 
the 5 miles, there is a list in Table 2 that you need to provide. Cool thing 
is that it's over the phone only, with no written/faxed info.

That's how I read it. Thus my interp.  of thesse rules.

Cheers,
Robert

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hammer" <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch


So the news desk article on RocketryPlanet.com published on 3FEB09 about
the new regs being in effect is incorrect?

Someone might want to alert RP that these regs won't go into effect
until 60 or ninety days after 2FEB09. Otherwise a significant number of
individual rocketeers as well as clubs might be out there flying FAR101
rockets without doing the necessary notifications.

I have not received any emails from Cheryl Brown at the FAA that the reg
implementation has been delayed. The last email I received from her was
that the rules were going into effect and received an updated copy which
I posted on the RocketsNW server. Is it possible that the FAA has not
been notified of the delay? Is it safe to assume that if I and others
have not been directly contacted about the delay by the FAA that we
could go ahead and fly under the new regs?

Robert

http://www.rocketryplanet.com/content/view/2740/29/
New FAA regulations now in effect

Industry News by Planet News
Tuesday, February 03, 2009

WORLD WIDE WEB ? The New U.S. Federal Aviation Administration ruling
regarding hobby rocketry went into effect yesterday, reducing the
notification requirements for most hobby rocketry enthusiasts
nationwide. The new ruling was published in the Federal Register on
December 4, 2008 with an effective date of February 2, 2009.

The new ruling merged two previous classifications of model rocketry,
model and large model rockets, into one class, identified as Class 1
Model Rockets. This class, defined at 14 CFR 101.22(a), identifies a
Class 1 Model Rocket as an amateur rocket that uses a slow-burning
propellant, is made of paper, wood or breakable plastic, contains no
substantial metal parts, and weighs no more than 1,500 grams, or 53
ounces, including propellant.

The old rules for large model rockets, requiring notification of the
FAA, no longer apply as long as the operating limitations of 14 CFR
101.23 are followed:

    * Is launched on a suborbital trajectory;
    * When launched, must not cross into the territory of a foreign
      country unless an agreement is in place between the United States
      and the country of concern;
    * Is unmanned; and
    * Does not create a hazard to persons, property, or other aircraft.

The FAA may specify additional operating limitations necessary to ensure
that air traffic is not adversely affected, and public safety is not
jeopardized.

For enthusiasts that participate in high power rocketry, the new FAA
Class 2 category provides for those rockets which operate with up to
40,960 N-s of total impulse, or what is considered an "O" impulse motor.
In addition to the considerations above, Class 2 rockets must also
operate under these considerations:

    * In addition, you must not operate a Class 2 High Power Rocket
    * At any altitude where clouds or obscuring phenomena of more than
      five tenths coverage prevails;
    * At any altitude where the horizontal visibility is less than five
      miles;
    * Into any cloud;
    * Between sunset and sunrise without prior authorization from the FAA;
    * Within 8 kilometers (5 statute miles) of any airport boundary
      without prior authorization from the FAA;
    * In controlled airspace without prior authorization from the FAA;
    * Unless you observe the greater of the following separation
      distances from any person or property that is not associated with
      the operations applies:
      i. Not less than one quarter the maximum expected altitude;
      ii. 457 meters (1,500 ft.);
    * Unless a person at least eighteen years old is present, is charged
      with ensuring the safety of the operation, and has final approval
      authority for initiating high power rocket flight; and
    * Unless reasonable precautions are provided to report and control a
      fire caused by rocket activities.

To assist their members with FAA waivers, the National Association of
Rocketry has prepared a page on their website to assist with waiver
application filings. You can read more about this at:
http://www.nar.org/cabinet/waiverinst.html.

Two other classes also become effective: a Class 3 Advanced High Power
rocket class, which includes any amatuer rocket that exceeds 40,960 N-s
of total impulse, and a Class 4 Other category which includes any
unmanned rocket that is not an amateur rocket. The new Class 3 is the
most controversial new classification for hobby enthusiasts, in that all
Class 3 flights have to apply for their own FAA waivers individually,
making it much more difficult for participants of these larger amateur
rockets to get past the regulatory red tape.



Schurke, Peter wrote:
> Correction:
>
> The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
> remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
> administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
> previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
> forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
> and the administration decides not to quash the change.
>
> Sigh of discontent...
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
> Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
> or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
> lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
> 3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.
>
> Who else is planning to come out to the launch?
>
> Robert
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>
>> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
>>
> will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
> all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>
>>
>> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
>>
> notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
> make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>>
>> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are
>> planning to attend from your group?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
>>>
> a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
> Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>
>>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
>>>
> it carbonate between now and then.
>
>>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
>>>
> their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
> good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
> flight or two.
>
>>> Peter Schurke
>>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>> Ingraham High School
>>> Seattle, WA
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It could be a long name like...
>>>
>>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my
>>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>>
>>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
>>>
>
>
>>> Leap launch.
>>>
>>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
>>>
>
>
>>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>>
>>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that
>>> might be present.
>>>
>>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about
>>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>>
>>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
>>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE
>>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but
>>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few
>>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
>>>>>>>>
> interfered.
>
>>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
>>>>>>>>
> scheduled?
>
>>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the
>>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out
>>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids
>>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models
>>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP
>>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later
>>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
>>>>>>>>
> spectators.
>
>>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
>>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches.
>>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that
>>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had
>>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field
>>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F.
>>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> - Dave
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
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From winningstad at comcast.net  Fri Mar  6 17:38:07 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:38:07 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
In-Reply-To: <007b01c99eb9$3fe6d2c0$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>	<49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A0D@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B0B8AF.7040100@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A10@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B14A7B.5090600@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D944@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B1559E.8070108@earthlink.net>
	<007b01c99eb9$3fe6d2c0$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <6BAC9DE18F034D8F87290F3A9482CBDE@downstair>

Get the date/time/official's name of that phone call!

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:11 PM
To: Hammer; NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch

OK, Here is what I know.

Obama only blocked legislation that was signed by the Whitehouse. This was a

change only to regulations and to accomodate the paper reduction act. No sig

by Bush. Therefore, this new rule is registered and active today. No 60-90 
day delay based on the "holds" placed on signed laws/bills.

As far as the registry is concerned, this new classing and notification 
requirements are in effect now. I'm no legal guy. But the new administration

only blocked those that went through the Whitehouse. This one never did.

Just remember, table 1 requires a launch zone 5 miles from an airport. Those

within 5 mile must revert to table 2, the FAR101 stuff. Read the rules when 
within 5 miles, and yes 24 hour notice still applies. B e acreful. Inside 
the 5 miles, there is a list in Table 2 that you need to provide. Cool thing

is that it's over the phone only, with no written/faxed info.

That's how I read it. Thus my interp.  of thesse rules.

Cheers,
Robert

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hammer" <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch


So the news desk article on RocketryPlanet.com published on 3FEB09 about
the new regs being in effect is incorrect?

Someone might want to alert RP that these regs won't go into effect
until 60 or ninety days after 2FEB09. Otherwise a significant number of
individual rocketeers as well as clubs might be out there flying FAR101
rockets without doing the necessary notifications.

I have not received any emails from Cheryl Brown at the FAA that the reg
implementation has been delayed. The last email I received from her was
that the rules were going into effect and received an updated copy which
I posted on the RocketsNW server. Is it possible that the FAA has not
been notified of the delay? Is it safe to assume that if I and others
have not been directly contacted about the delay by the FAA that we
could go ahead and fly under the new regs?

Robert

http://www.rocketryplanet.com/content/view/2740/29/
New FAA regulations now in effect

Industry News by Planet News
Tuesday, February 03, 2009

WORLD WIDE WEB - The New U.S. Federal Aviation Administration ruling
regarding hobby rocketry went into effect yesterday, reducing the
notification requirements for most hobby rocketry enthusiasts
nationwide. The new ruling was published in the Federal Register on
December 4, 2008 with an effective date of February 2, 2009.

The new ruling merged two previous classifications of model rocketry,
model and large model rockets, into one class, identified as Class 1
Model Rockets. This class, defined at 14 CFR 101.22(a), identifies a
Class 1 Model Rocket as an amateur rocket that uses a slow-burning
propellant, is made of paper, wood or breakable plastic, contains no
substantial metal parts, and weighs no more than 1,500 grams, or 53
ounces, including propellant.

The old rules for large model rockets, requiring notification of the
FAA, no longer apply as long as the operating limitations of 14 CFR
101.23 are followed:

    * Is launched on a suborbital trajectory;
    * When launched, must not cross into the territory of a foreign
      country unless an agreement is in place between the United States
      and the country of concern;
    * Is unmanned; and
    * Does not create a hazard to persons, property, or other aircraft.

The FAA may specify additional operating limitations necessary to ensure
that air traffic is not adversely affected, and public safety is not
jeopardized.

For enthusiasts that participate in high power rocketry, the new FAA
Class 2 category provides for those rockets which operate with up to
40,960 N-s of total impulse, or what is considered an "O" impulse motor.
In addition to the considerations above, Class 2 rockets must also
operate under these considerations:

    * In addition, you must not operate a Class 2 High Power Rocket
    * At any altitude where clouds or obscuring phenomena of more than
      five tenths coverage prevails;
    * At any altitude where the horizontal visibility is less than five
      miles;
    * Into any cloud;
    * Between sunset and sunrise without prior authorization from the FAA;
    * Within 8 kilometers (5 statute miles) of any airport boundary
      without prior authorization from the FAA;
    * In controlled airspace without prior authorization from the FAA;
    * Unless you observe the greater of the following separation
      distances from any person or property that is not associated with
      the operations applies:
      i. Not less than one quarter the maximum expected altitude;
      ii. 457 meters (1,500 ft.);
    * Unless a person at least eighteen years old is present, is charged
      with ensuring the safety of the operation, and has final approval
      authority for initiating high power rocket flight; and
    * Unless reasonable precautions are provided to report and control a
      fire caused by rocket activities.

To assist their members with FAA waivers, the National Association of
Rocketry has prepared a page on their website to assist with waiver
application filings. You can read more about this at:
http://www.nar.org/cabinet/waiverinst.html.

Two other classes also become effective: a Class 3 Advanced High Power
rocket class, which includes any amatuer rocket that exceeds 40,960 N-s
of total impulse, and a Class 4 Other category which includes any
unmanned rocket that is not an amateur rocket. The new Class 3 is the
most controversial new classification for hobby enthusiasts, in that all
Class 3 flights have to apply for their own FAA waivers individually,
making it much more difficult for participants of these larger amateur
rockets to get past the regulatory red tape.



Schurke, Peter wrote:
> Correction:
>
> The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
> remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
> administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
> previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
> forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
> and the administration decides not to quash the change.
>
> Sigh of discontent...
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
> Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
> or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
> lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
> 3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.
>
> Who else is planning to come out to the launch?
>
> Robert
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>
>> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
>>
> will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
> all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>
>>
>> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
>>
> notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
> make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>>
>> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are
>> planning to attend from your group?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
>>>
> a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
> Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>
>>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
>>>
> it carbonate between now and then.
>
>>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
>>>
> their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
> good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
> flight or two.
>
>>> Peter Schurke
>>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>> Ingraham High School
>>> Seattle, WA
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It could be a long name like...
>>>
>>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my
>>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>>
>>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
>>>
>
>
>>> Leap launch.
>>>
>>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
>>>
>
>
>>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>>
>>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that
>>> might be present.
>>>
>>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about
>>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>>
>>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
>>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE
>>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but
>>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few
>>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
>>>>>>>>
> interfered.
>
>>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
>>>>>>>>
> scheduled?
>
>>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the
>>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out
>>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids
>>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models
>>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP
>>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later
>>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
>>>>>>>>
> spectators.
>
>>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
>>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches.
>>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that
>>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had
>>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field
>>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F.
>>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> - Dave
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Dave
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 17:50:51 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:50:51 -0800
Subject: [RocketsNW] March 14th - Packard's "Touch of the Irish Thunder"
	Rocket Launch Event
Message-ID: <00bc01c99ec7$25974180$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>

Packard's "Touch of the Irish Thunder" Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park Wilsonville

There will be a model rocketry event at Memorial Park in Wilsonville, Oregon on March 14th beginning at 12:00pm. Near Portland and easy to find, this is a great time to introduce youth to the science and enjoyment of rocketry. This event is hosted by OregonRocketry. 

Go get you and your kids some model rockets and some motors. Rockets make a great St. Patrick's day gift... Maximum altitude will be determined based on weather conditions. Plan on being ok with A, B, C and D motors, and maybe E if conditions warrant it safely. The last event we were ok with 1000 feet with minimal wind. 

Kids can win!!! We'll be holding a raffle for those under 18 years of age for a rocketry box complete with launcher, controller, and repair gear needed at launches in the field. Raffle drawing will be held at 2pm, the day of the event. Must be present to win. 

St Patrick's day is March 17th. Feel free to wear cloths with green, fly green rockets, or bring treats relative to St. Patrick's day. Let's have some fun. 

We need some help to facilitate the launch, if you are willing to assist, please advise. I will be onsite to help Keith facilitate the event. Keith is the event director and has final approval for all aspects of the launch. 

RSVP and join us for the March 14th 2009 Packard's "Touch of the Irish" Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park in Wilsonville Oregon. 

Wilsonville Memorial Park
8100 SW Wilsonville Rd.
Wilsonville, OR 97070

Fliers; 
Event time is 12:00pm - 3:00pm; all NAR rules apply, plus any additional rules / restrictions for this site. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions. LCO tables are not for prep, please use the available tables in the prep area. This is a sanctioned launch event by National Association of Rocketry through NAR section 555 OREO (Steve Tarr). Come prepared for cold weather and wear boots/shoes that will keep feet warm and dry. 

Support staff; 
We are planning to arrive by 11:00am to scope out parking and field preference. Keith is bringing a six rod launch pad (has 1/8, 3/8, and 1/4" rods), and I'll be bringing LCO tables, flight line stakes, and my launch controller. So no OROC GSE is needed for this event. We need extra tables for the prep area. The only other thing I can think of is extra Estes ignitors. I'm planning to bring some spare motors and a bunch of different size Estes ignitors... They like to spit too often, so if you have extra ignitors and plungers, and can spare them, please bring. Certainly bring some rockets... I can also bring a bag of dog barf. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions.

Cheers,
Robert
-------------- next part --------------
Packard's "Touch of the Irish Thunder" Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park Wilsonville
There will be a model rocketry event at Memorial Park in Wilsonville, Oregon on March 14th beginning at 12:00pm. Near Portland and easy to find, this is a great time to introduce youth to the science and enjoyment of rocketry. This event is hosted by OregonRocketry.
Go get you and your kids some model rockets and some motors. Rockets make a great St. Patrick's day gift... Maximum altitude will be determined based on weather conditions. Plan on being ok with A, B, C and D motors, and maybe E if conditions warrant it safely. The last event we were ok with 1000 feet with minimal wind.
Kids can win!!! We'll be holding a raffle for those under 18 years of age for a rocketry box complete with launcher, controller, and repair gear needed at launches in the field. Raffle drawing will be held at 2pm, the day of the event. Must be present to win.
St Patrick's day is March 17th. Feel free to wear cloths with green, fly green rockets, or bring treats relative to St. Patrick's day. Let's have some fun.
We need some help to facilitate the launch, if you are willing to assist, please advise. I will be onsite to help Keith facilitate the event. Keith is the event director and has final approval for all aspects of the launch.
RSVP and join us for the March 14th 2009 Packard's "Touch of the Irish" Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park in Wilsonville Oregon.
Wilsonville Memorial Park
8100 SW Wilsonville Rd.
Wilsonville, OR 97070
Fliers;
Event time is 12:00pm - 3:00pm; all NAR rules apply, plus any additional rules / restrictions for this site. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions. LCO tables are not for prep, please use the available tables in the prep area. This is a sanctioned launch event by National Association of Rocketry through NAR section 555 OREO (Steve Tarr). Come prepared for cold weather and wear boots/shoes that will keep feet warm and dry.
Support staff;
We are planning to arrive by 11:00am to scope out parking and field preference. Keith is bringing a six rod launch pad (has 1/8, 3/8, and 1/4" rods), and I'll be bringing LCO tables, flight line stakes, and my launch controller. So no OROC GSE is needed for this event. We need extra tables for the prep area. The only other thing I can think of is extra Estes ignitors. I'm planning to bring some spare motors and a bunch of different size Estes ignitors... They like to spit too often, so if you have extra ignitors and plungers, and can spare them, please bring. Certainly bring some rockets... I can also bring a bag of dog barf. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions.
Cheers,
Robert

From jhadv at pacifier.com  Fri Mar  6 21:33:55 2009
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:33:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Lawsuit
In-Reply-To: <mailman.175.1236384699.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
References: <mailman.175.1236384699.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <4474.67.189.35.224.1236404035.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>

     On learning more and more about this stuff I am not so sure about the
breadth of the legal strategy.  It seems to me that the legal
approach is so ambitious for the judge that it may be a bridge too
far.  True AP motors are not "explosives" but they are not totally
benign either and the government probably has a reasonable interest
in having some knowledge of people that possess hundreds of pounds of
this stuff or more importantly the fabrication capacity.
    Given all that I would seriously doubt that the judge would rule that
the BATFE has no jurisdiction because AP is not an "explosive." 
However, even if he did rule no jurisdiction, which is in essence what
he is being asked to do, he would, in my estimation, automatically
stay the order pending appeal given the prima facie government
interest in the material at issue.
    Then the government could appeal, ask congress to amend the act or,
and this is what concerns me, transfer jurisdiction to the Homeland
Security (a.k.a. gestapo) under the anti-terror provisions.  So I am
not sure what we think we are trying to accomplish here.  One can't
turn the clock back and it is post 9-11.  If the plaintiffs have the
opportunity they should, again in my estimation, take a deal for some
reasonable relaxation of the requirements rather than demand a
probably untenable situation like AP being taken from the government
jurisdiction because it is not an "explosive".  I just don't think
that happens.


From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Sun Mar  8 01:18:00 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 01:18:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Lawsuit
In-Reply-To: <4474.67.189.35.224.1236404035.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
References: <mailman.175.1236384699.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
	<4474.67.189.35.224.1236404035.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
Message-ID: <c2174904ccb3fed7640e4603b941f55c.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

My overall impression was that NAR/TRA presented a rather legally weak
case focusing on the technical merits more than the legal details.  As any
fan of "Boston Legal" knows, it's not about what's right or wrong but
rather all about the legal logic.

But...ATF did such a gawdawful miserable abysmal job of presenting their
side any honest judge would absolutely barf at the thought of ruling in
their favor.  I mean, geez, they actually told the judge that the facts
don't matter and submitted an 'expert' report that was exactly the kind of
BS a student would turn in after waiting until the night before the due
date to start researching a term paper.

If he rules in our favor, ATF/DOJ/HSA is going to throw a hissy fit.  If
he rules against us, he's going to have to put a paper bag over his head
to look himself in the mirror.

I'm pretty sure Judge Walton is waiting in hopes of dying from old age
before having to issue a ruling.  :-)
+McG+


>      On learning more and more about this stuff I am not so sure about the
> breadth of the legal strategy.  It seems to me that the legal
> approach is so ambitious for the judge that it may be a bridge too
> far.  True AP motors are not "explosives" but they are not totally
> benign either and the government probably has a reasonable interest
> in having some knowledge of people that possess hundreds of pounds of
> this stuff or more importantly the fabrication capacity.
>     Given all that I would seriously doubt that the judge would rule that
> the BATFE has no jurisdiction because AP is not an "explosive."
> However, even if he did rule no jurisdiction, which is in essence what
> he is being asked to do, he would, in my estimation, automatically
> stay the order pending appeal given the prima facie government
> interest in the material at issue.
>     Then the government could appeal, ask congress to amend the act or,
> and this is what concerns me, transfer jurisdiction to the Homeland
> Security (a.k.a. gestapo) under the anti-terror provisions.  So I am
> not sure what we think we are trying to accomplish here.  One can't
> turn the clock back and it is post 9-11.  If the plaintiffs have the
> opportunity they should, again in my estimation, take a deal for some
> reasonable relaxation of the requirements rather than demand a
> probably untenable situation like AP being taken from the government
> jurisdiction because it is not an "explosive".  I just don't think
> that happens.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>



From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Sun Mar  8 01:23:49 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 01:23:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
In-Reply-To: <3F7741E5C5074E84BB682EC79DC0591F@downstair>
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
	<49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A0D@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B0B8AF.7040100@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A10@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B14A7B.5090600@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D944@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><688343A79ACF47BE91AF559CC84A36A7@AntecP180>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D945@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<3F7741E5C5074E84BB682EC79DC0591F@downstair>
Message-ID: <ea6e6203de99ebeea904695c755a4693.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

And every pop-bottle water rocket violates the 62.5 gram propellant limit.
 But we'll just pretend those don't exist...shhhhhhh.
+McG+

In a world where I have to live by my wits, I really need to be in a
witless protection program!


> Slight correction:
>
> Less than 'or equal to' 3.3lbs and less than 'or equal to' 62.5 grams...
>
> Dennis S Winningstad
> 503-781-3529
>
> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:58 AM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
>
> I stand corrected on my correction!  WooooooHoooooooooooo!!!!!!
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Newman [mailto:kent.newman at comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:37 AM
> To: Schurke, Peter; 'Hammer'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
> And, so it would seem :-)
>
> In my conversations with the FAA NW Region Office this week, however,
> the new regs are to be followed.  They are the local AHJ.
>
> We should follow the new regs.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:13 AM
> To: Hammer; NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
> Correction:
>
> The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
> remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
> administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
> previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
> forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
> and the administration decides not to quash the change.
>
> Sigh of discontent...
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
> Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
> or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
> lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
> 3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.
>
> Who else is planning to come out to the launch?
>
> Robert
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
> will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
> all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>>
>> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
> notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
> make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>>
>> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are
>> planning to attend from your group?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>
>>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
> a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
> Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>>>
>>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
> it carbonate between now and then.
>>>
>>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
> their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
> good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
> flight or two.
>>>
>>> Peter Schurke
>>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>> Ingraham High School
>>> Seattle, WA
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It could be a long name like...
>>>
>>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my
>>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>>
>>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
>
>>> Leap launch.
>>>
>>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
>
>>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>>
>>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that
>>> might be present.
>>>
>>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about
>>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>>
>>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights
>
>>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>
>>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>
>>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
>>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE
>>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but
>>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few
>>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
> interfered.
>>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
> scheduled?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the
>>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out
>>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids
>>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models
>>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP
>>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later
>>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
> spectators.
>>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>
>>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
>>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches.
>>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that
>>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had
>>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field
>>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F.
>>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  8 11:16:52 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:16:52 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
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Would the Estes Hydrogen Fuel Rocket violate the same limit?

http://www.amazon.com/Estes-Hydrogen-Fuel-Rocket/dp/B0000AOVTZ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8GEDndePvY

Robert

kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote:
> And every pop-bottle water rocket violates the 62.5 gram propellant limit.
>  But we'll just pretend those don't exist...shhhhhhh.
> +McG+
>
> In a world where I have to live by my wits, I really need to be in a
> witless protection program!
>
>
>   
>> Slight correction:
>>
>> Less than 'or equal to' 3.3lbs and less than 'or equal to' 62.5 grams...
>>
>> Dennis S Winningstad
>> 503-781-3529
>>
>> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:58 AM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>>
>> I stand corrected on my correction!  WooooooHoooooooooooo!!!!!!
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kent Newman [mailto:kent.newman at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:37 AM
>> To: Schurke, Peter; 'Hammer'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
>> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>> And, so it would seem :-)
>>
>> In my conversations with the FAA NW Region Office this week, however,
>> the new regs are to be followed.  They are the local AHJ.
>>
>> We should follow the new regs.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:13 AM
>> To: Hammer; NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>> Correction:
>>
>> The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
>> remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
>> administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
>> previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
>> forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
>> and the administration decides not to quash the change.
>>
>> Sigh of discontent...
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>> Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
>> or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
>> lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
>> 3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.
>>
>> Who else is planning to come out to the launch?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>     
>>> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
>>>       
>> will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
>> all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>>     
>>> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
>>>       
>> notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
>> make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>>     
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>>>
>>> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are
>>> planning to attend from your group?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
>>>>         
>> a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
>> Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>>     
>>>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
>>>>         
>> it carbonate between now and then.
>>     
>>>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
>>>>         
>> their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
>> good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
>> flight or two.
>>     
>>>> Peter Schurke
>>>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>>> Ingraham High School
>>>> Seattle, WA
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It could be a long name like...
>>>>
>>>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my
>>>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>>>
>>>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
>>>>         
>>>> Leap launch.
>>>>
>>>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
>>>>         
>>>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that
>>>> might be present.
>>>>
>>>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about
>>>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights
>>>>>>             
>>>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
>>>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE
>>>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but
>>>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few
>>>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> interfered.
>>     
>>>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> scheduled?
>>     
>>>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the
>>>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out
>>>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids
>>>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models
>>>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP
>>>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later
>>>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> spectators.
>>     
>>>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
>>>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches.
>>>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that
>>>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had
>>>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field
>>>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F.
>>>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>               
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>>>>>> - Dave
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From faderlk at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  8 13:09:28 2009
From: faderlk at hotmail.com (william carpenter)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:09:28 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] April Launch Live Webcast
Message-ID: <COL104-W10452537D179020B05C21FBCA30@phx.gbl>


Hello Northwest Rocketeers,

 

Just running this idea by everyone before I do it.

 

I've decided to attempt a live webcast of WAC's April launch. If it works I'll try to do it for every launch.

 

For the less tech-savvy among us, a webcast is just like a broadcast, except over the internet. I'll be capturing audio and video from Mansfield and broadcasting it live through my website.

 

I'm presenting this idea here to pick up on people's opinions on me doing this. If you have any questions or concerns, then tell me now so I don't offend you later. I'm also giving you all a fair warning. The camera will be trained on the launch pads, so if you're out there, don't do anything you wouldn't want anyone else to see.

 

If I get a green light on this, then I'll announce where you can view the webcast through this newsletter. That announcement probably won't come until closer to the launch date. This is a good oppertunity for any of you who can't make it out to Mansfield in April.

 

Regards, William Carpenter

 

My Site: http://www.simav8rproductions.webs.com 

 

 

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Hello Northwest Rocketeers,
?
Just running this idea by everyone before I do it.
?
I've decided to attempt a live webcast of WAC's April launch. If it works I'll try to do it for every launch.
?
For the less tech-savvy among us, a webcast is just like a broadcast, except over the internet. I'll be capturing audio and video from Mansfield and broadcasting it live?through my website.
?
I'm presenting this idea here to pick up on people's opinions on me doing this. If you have any questions or concerns, then tell me now so I don't offend you later. I'm also giving you all a fair warning. The camera will be trained on the launch pads, so if you're out there, don't do anything you wouldn't want anyone else to see.
?
If I get a green light on this, then I'll announce where you can view the webcast through this newsletter. That announcement probably won't come until closer to the launch date. This is a good oppertunity for any of you who can't make it out to Mansfield in April.
?
Regards, William Carpenter
?
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  8 14:21:40 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:21:40 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttle launch notice, Wednesday, 11MAR09/1820
Message-ID: <49B436E4.7080204@earthlink.net>

Mission: STS-119 - International Space Station Flight 15A
Orbiter: Discovery (OV-103)
Launch Date: NET March 11, 21:20 EDT
Mission Number: Shuttle flight No. 126
Launch Pad: 39A map weather
Mission Duration: 11 - 14 days
Landing Site: Kennedy Space Center map
Inclination/Altitude: 51.6 degrees/122 nautical miles
Primary Payload: ITS-S6 (4th starboard truss segment), Solar Arrays
Crew: Mission Commander: Lee J. Archambault; Pilot: Dominic A. 
Antonelli; Mission Specialists: Joseph Acaba, Richard R. Arnold II, John 
L. Phillips, Steven R. Swanson, launch: Koichi Wakata (Flight Engineer, 
Expedition 18, JAXA); landing: Sandra Magnus (Flight Engineer, 
Expedition 17, 18).
Contingency Shuttle Crew Support Mission: STS-327 (Rescue STS-119) - 
Endeavour (OV-105).

THERE ARE NO MORE THAN TEN SHUTTLE LAUNCHES REMAINING!

STS-119 (ISS assembly flight 15A) is the next planned space shuttle 
mission to the International Space Station (ISS), scheduled to be flown 
by Space Shuttle Discovery. It will deliver and assemble the fourth 
starboard Integrated Truss Segment (S6), and the fourth set of solar 
arrays and batteries to the station. The launch is currently tentatively 
scheduled for 11 March, 2009.

STS-119 will deliver the S6 solar arrays to the space station, 
completing the construction of the Integrated Truss Structure. STS-119 
will be used for several experiments, including Shuttle Ionospheric 
Modification with Pulsed Local EXhaust (SIMPLEX), Shuttle Exhaust Ion 
Turbulence Experiments (SEITE), and Maui Analysis of Upper Atmospheric 
Injections (MAUI). STS-119 will also be used for the the "Boundary Layer 
Transition Detailed Test Objective" experiment. One tile in the thermal 
protection system will be raised 0.25 inches (6.4 mm) above the others 
so that, at about Mach 15 during reentry, a boundary layer transition 
will be initiated.

Mission background
156th American manned space flight
125th shuttle mission since STS-1
36th Flight of Discovery
100th post-Challenger mission
12th post-Columbia mission
28th shuttle mission to the International Space Station

The NASA Mission Management Team have given the go for launch on 11 
March 2009m at 9:20pm EDT. The only issue that is being worked relates 
to a SRB (Solid Rocket Booster) Range Safety System. Engineers will 
replace cable and hardware in the left SRB and re-test the system over 
the weekend, after the FRR decided flying ?as-is? would be unacceptable. 
The call to stations will happen on Sunday evening and the astronauts 
will arrive at about 3pm EDT on 8 March 2009.

http://www.floridatoday.com/content/blogs/space/2009/03/crew-at-ksc-ready-to-get-going.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-119
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/
http://www.space.gs/sts-119/


View the launch at these websites:
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/
http://www.fromil.com/tv/index.php?radio=5


From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  8 14:29:17 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:29:17 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Kepler launch via Delta II launch vehicle video
Message-ID: <49B438AD.2070003@earthlink.net>

In case you missed this recent launch on 3MAR09 at 0349 UTC.
http://vimeo.com/3510639


Robert

From faderlk at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  8 14:52:29 2009
From: faderlk at hotmail.com (william carpenter)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:52:29 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] April Launch Live Webcast
Message-ID: <COL104-W818601B07FC7421E23895FBCA30@phx.gbl>


The following are answers to people's specific questions.

 

Dave Connet: "Can you come to Brothers?"

 

Brothers is a bit of a drive for me ( 10 hours to be exact). I live near Seattle, so even Mansfield is four hours. Sorry.




 

 Hammer: "Do you want to do some practice at Leprechaun's Leap launch next Sunday?"

 

I'll consider that. I'll see if I can get my hands on a webcam by then. I have a good quality one picked out on the internet, but I haven't ordered it yet.

 

Dave Randall: "On a related note, have you thought about making your internet
connection available to attendees? It would be great for those of us
who want to keep in touch over the weekend, look up information while
there, or post a picture or two while onsite."

 

As long as you have an internet connection, you'll be able to access the feed. I don't know Mansfield's WiFi status, but I know my provider (AT&T) has good coverage there. If you have a laptop at the launch, the webcast will be accessible.

 

If you mean letting others use my laptop, then no (I'm sorry if you don't, I'm not good at picking up information from emails). This is because when I say "my" laptop I mean my parent's laptop, though if I'm lucky I'll have my own by then.

 

I hope this answers all your guys' questions.

 

Regards, William Carpenter

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The following are answers to people's specific questions.
?
Dave Connet: "
Can you come to Brothers?"
?
Brothers is a bit of a drive for me ( 10 hours to be exact). I live near Seattle, so?even Mansfield is four hours. Sorry.
?
?
Hammer: "
Do you want to do some practice at Leprechaun's Leap launch next Sunday?"
?
I'll consider that. I'll see if I can get my hands on a webcam by then. I have a good quality one picked out on the internet, but I haven't ordered it yet.
?
Dave Randall: "
On a related note, have you thought about making your internet
connection available to attendees? It would be great for those of us
who want to keep in touch over the weekend, look up information while
there, or post a picture or two while onsite."
?
As long as you have an internet connection, you'll be able to access the feed. I don't know Mansfield's WiFi status, but I know my provider (AT&T) has good coverage there. If you have a laptop at the launch, the webcast will be accessible.
?
If you mean letting others use my laptop, then no (I'm sorry if you don't, I'm not good at picking up information from emails). This is because when I say "my" laptop I mean my parent's laptop, though if I'm lucky I'll have my own by then.
?
I hope this answers all your guys' questions.
?
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 16:06:57 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:06:57 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Way to go!!! Wilkerson, Caynon, Clark & Yanecek
Message-ID: <003301c9a042$94e2ff80$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>

Issue 79 of Extreme Rocketry just arrived. On page 11 is the Extreme Altitude Club. This month a few of our friends of the Northwest are included.

10K members
Jim Wilkerson, Big Red Rocket on M2000R to 13,306 feet @ Mansfield May 2006
Jack Caynon, Galadriel on M1400 to 11,111 feet @ Brothers May 2006
Greg Clark, Kermit on K700 to 13,110 feet @ Brothers August 2008

20K member
Bob Yanecek, Dual 75 MOD 1.4 on EX M1215 (4 grain x 75mm) to 22,722 feet @ Black Rock September 2007

Cheers,
Robert
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Issue 79 of Extreme Rocketry just arrived. On page 11 is the Extreme Altitude Club. This month a few of our friends of the Northwest are included.
?
10K members
Jim Wilkerson, Big Red Rocket on M2000R to 13,306 feet @ Mansfield May 2006
Jack Caynon, Galadriel on M1400 to 11,111 feet @ Brothers May 2006
Greg Clark, Kermit on K700 to 13,110 feet @ Brothers August 2008
?
20K member
Bob Yanecek, Dual 75 MOD 1.4 on EX M1215 (4 grain x 75mm) to 22,722 feet @ Black Rock September 2007
?
Cheers,
Robert

From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org  Sun Mar  8 23:38:12 2009
From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:38:12 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] E-match question?
Message-ID: <a06240803c5da68c712cc@[10.0.1.21]>

Howdy,

We are getting ready to order a new supply of ematches. We are 
looking at Mtek, Jtek and Quickburst's Qmatch. Let me know what you 
would like us to carry................ Is there any other product you 
would like us to carry.............

ALSO,

MARCH Madness Sale is coming up SOON!

Motors, kits, hardware, and much more special deals.
Maybe even a few surprises...............

Enjoy your week, and let us know,

Bob
Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory
www.rocketryshop.org

From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Mon Mar  9 01:47:08 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:47:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
In-Reply-To: <49B40B94.7070600@earthlink.net>
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> Would the Estes Hydrogen Fuel Rocket violate the same limit?

If you put in more than about 62 grams of water.

There's a fudge for water rockets that actually works pretty well in terms
of equalizing the end result of empty mass times peak altitude: simply
ignore the water as "propellant."  This doesn't apply to steam rockets or
cold-power style rockets using propane or liquid CO2 etc but that's fine
since these kinds of rockets are much more dangerous to work with and for
the most part really should be classed as high power-equivalent amateur
rockets.  It's nonsense from a physics standpoint but neatly solves the
problem.  To add to the confusion, there are limits on air-water rockets
written into the NFPA code on model rocketry which, last I checked, were
self-inconsistent.

Since the Estes Hydrogen Fuel rockets use combustion, well, the same logic
could apply, counting only the mass of the combustible gas mixture as
propellant.  But 62.5 grams of optimum H2-O2 mix is, uh, a bit much
explosive power for an exemption based on this idea. H2-O2 gas mix is
clearly a deflagrating low explosive not meeting legal requirements that
model rocket motors use "slow-burning" propellant.  So Estes Hydrogen Fuel
rockets are marginally kosher at best to begin with, depending to some
degree on creative interpretation of safety codes and legal definitions. 
OTOH, the ridiculously low performance backyard rockets I used to play
with using only air/acetone vapor did in fact exhibit acceptably slow
combustion on their way to a ten-foot apogee.

It's a tricky, weird area when one starts looking at the legal aspects of
strongly non-traditional rockets.  The final legal status of any given
system eventually reduces down to either "because we said so" or "who
cares?"  As for pop bottle water rockets, the unofficial FAA policy has
always been the latter.
+McG+


> Would the Estes Hydrogen Fuel Rocket violate the same limit?
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Estes-Hydrogen-Fuel-Rocket/dp/B0000AOVTZ
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8GEDndePvY
>
> Robert
>
> kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote:
>> And every pop-bottle water rocket violates the 62.5 gram propellant
>> limit.
>>  But we'll just pretend those don't exist...shhhhhhh.
>> +McG+
>>
>> In a world where I have to live by my wits, I really need to be in a
>> witless protection program!
>>
>>
>>
>>> Slight correction:
>>>
>>> Less than 'or equal to' 3.3lbs and less than 'or equal to' 62.5
>>> grams...
>>>
>>> Dennis S Winningstad
>>> 503-781-3529
>>>
>>> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
>>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:58 AM
>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>>
>>> I stand corrected on my correction!  WooooooHoooooooooooo!!!!!!
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Kent Newman [mailto:kent.newman at comcast.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:37 AM
>>> To: Schurke, Peter; 'Hammer'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
>>> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>> And, so it would seem :-)
>>>
>>> In my conversations with the FAA NW Region Office this week, however,
>>> the new regs are to be followed.  They are the local AHJ.
>>>
>>> We should follow the new regs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
>>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:13 AM
>>> To: Hammer; NW Rocketry mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>> Correction:
>>>
>>> The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
>>> remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
>>> administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
>>> previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
>>> forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
>>> and the administration decides not to quash the change.
>>>
>>> Sigh of discontent...
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
>>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>> Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the
>>> FAA
>>> or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under
>>> 3.3
>>> lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
>>> 3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.
>>>
>>> Who else is planning to come out to the launch?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
>>>>
>>> will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives
>>> of
>>> all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>>>
>>>> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
>>>>
>>> notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
>>> make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>>>
>>>> Pete
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>>> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
>>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>>>>
>>>> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are
>>>> planning to attend from your group?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
>>>>>
>>> a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
>>> Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>>>
>>>>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
>>>>>
>>> it carbonate between now and then.
>>>
>>>>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
>>>>>
>>> their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in
>>> really
>>> good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a
>>> qualification
>>> flight or two.
>>>
>>>>> Peter Schurke
>>>>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>>>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>>>> Ingraham High School
>>>>> Seattle, WA
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>>>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>>>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It could be a long name like...
>>>>>
>>>>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my
>>>>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
>>>>>
>>>>> Leap launch.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
>>>>>
>>>>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that
>>>>> might be present.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about
>>>>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
>>>>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE
>>>>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but
>>>>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few
>>>>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> interfered.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> scheduled?
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the
>>>>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out
>>>>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids
>>>>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models
>>>>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP
>>>>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later
>>>>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> spectators.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
>>>>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches.
>>>>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that
>>>>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had
>>>>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field
>>>>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F.
>>>>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> - Dave
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>>>>>>>>>> --------
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From fred.azinger at intel.com  Mon Mar  9 12:43:23 2009
From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:43:23 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?
Message-ID: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FA0A6E0@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>

I seem to be Google-challenged today.
I'm looking for information on FITS'09 but can't seem to find anything.
Is it scheduled this year?
Can somebody give me the dates?
I actually might have a chance to attend for the first time and I want to get it on the calendar.
Thx,
FredA

-------------- next part --------------
I seem to be Google-challenged today.
I'm looking for information on FITS'09 but can't seem to find anything.
Is it scheduled this year?
Can somebody give me the dates?
I actually might have a chance to attend for the first time and I want to get it on the calendar.
Thx,
FredA
?

From daron at daronjohnson.com  Mon Mar  9 12:49:08 2009
From: daron at daronjohnson.com (Daron Johnson)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:49:08 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] [personal]  FITS '09?
In-Reply-To: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FA0A6E0@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FA0A6E0@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <003201c9a0f0$1e804dd0$5b80e970$@com>

http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/launches.php


May 22-25, Memorial Day weekend
Fire in the Sky 2009
Research 5/22, Commercial 5/23-25
Mansfield, WA (Sportsman's Club)
(This is FITS, baby!)

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:43 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [personal] [RocketsNW] FITS '09?

I seem to be Google-challenged today.
I'm looking for information on FITS'09 but can't seem to find anything.
Is it scheduled this year?
Can somebody give me the dates?
I actually might have a chance to attend for the first time and I want to
get it on the calendar.
Thx,
FredA



From aaronfogg at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 12:52:52 2009
From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:52:52 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?
In-Reply-To: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FA0A6E0@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FA0A6E0@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <e1e3ba0b0903091252v1703ff40j8d96b4a41534b64b@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/launches.php

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Azinger, Fred <fred.azinger at intel.com>wrote:

> I seem to be Google-challenged today.
> I'm looking for information on FITS'09 but can't seem to find anything.
> Is it scheduled this year?
> Can somebody give me the dates?
> I actually might have a chance to attend for the first time and I want to
> get it on the calendar.
> Thx,
> FredA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>
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http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/launches.php
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Azinger, Fred
< mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com
>
wrote:
I seem to be Google-challenged today.
I'm looking for information on FITS'09 but can't seem to find anything.
Is it scheduled this year?
Can somebody give me the dates?
I actually might have a chance to attend for the first time and I want to get it on the calendar.
Thx,
FredA
?
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mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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From dennys at carnitech.net  Mon Mar  9 12:51:52 2009
From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:51:52 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?
In-Reply-To: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FA0A6E0@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FA0A6E0@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005107C9F9C@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>

Hi Fred

FITS 2009 will be held again on the Memorial Day weekend (May 22-25th).
We will have a research only day on the 22nd, and commercial 23-25th.

The website is www.fireinthesky.org, but I must admit we're a little
behind schedule getting the info (dates, etc.) for 2009 updated.  Please
check back at the site in a couple weeks and we should have everything
up to speed.

-Denny


-----Original Message-----
From: Azinger, Fred [mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:43 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?

I seem to be Google-challenged today.
I'm looking for information on FITS'09 but can't seem to find anything.
Is it scheduled this year?
Can somebody give me the dates?
I actually might have a chance to attend for the first time and I want
to get it on the calendar.
Thx,
FredA


From sb at berfield.com  Mon Mar  9 20:45:32 2009
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 03:45:32 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?
Message-ID: <W56710668241971236656732@webmail19>

I am SO looking forward to this! Now if only there was more time to build everything.

-----Original Message-----
From: Denny Smith [mailto:dennys at carnitech.net]
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 12:51 PM
To: 'Azinger, Fred', rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?

Hi FredFITS 2009 will be held again on the Memorial Day weekend (May 22-25th).We will have a research only day on the 22nd, and commercial 23-25th.The website is www.fireinthesky.org, but I must admit we're a littlebehind schedule getting the info (dates, etc.) for 2009 updated. Pleasecheck back at the site in a couple weeks and we should have everythingup to speed.-Denny-----Original Message-----From: Azinger, Fred [mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com] Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:43 PMTo: rockets at rocketsnw.comSubject: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?I seem to be Google-challenged today.I'm looking for information on FITS'09 but can't seem to find anything.Is it scheduled this year?Can somebody give me the dates?I actually might have a chance to attend for the first time and I wantto get it on the calendar.Thx,FredA_______________________________________________Rockets mailing listRockets at rocketsnw.comhttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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I am SO looking forward to this! Now if only there was more time to build everything.
?
-----Original Message-----
From:
Denny Smith [mailto:dennys at carnitech.net]
Sent:
Monday, March 9, 2009 12:51 PM
To:
'Azinger, Fred', rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject:
Re: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?
Hi Fred FITS 2009 will be held again on the Memorial Day weekend (May 22-25th). We will have a research only day on the 22nd, and commercial 23-25th. The website is www.fireinthesky.org, but I must admit we're a little behind schedule getting the info (dates, etc.) for 2009 updated. Please check back at the site in a couple weeks and we should have everything up to speed. -Denny -----Original Message----- From: Azinger, Fred [mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com] Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:43 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS '09? I seem to be Google-challenged today. I'm looking for information on FITS'09 but can't seem to find anything. Is it scheduled this year? Can somebody give me the dates? I actually might have a chance to attend for the first time and I want to get it on the calendar. Thx, FredA _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets

From vern_knowles at att.net  Mon Mar  9 21:08:06 2009
From: vern_knowles at att.net (Vern Knowles)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:08:06 -0600
Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?
In-Reply-To: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005107C9F9C@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>
References: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FA0A6E0@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005107C9F9C@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>
Message-ID: <006701c9a135$d1a06c20$0400a8c0@MainPC>

 
Is the FITS 2009 research launch (May 22) being held at the same site as the commercial launch?  Or
at the alternate site like in past years?  Either way, I like the option of having four days to
fly!

Vern Knowles
www.vernk.com



> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Denny Smith
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:52 PM
> To: Azinger, Fred; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?
> 
> Hi Fred
> 
> FITS 2009 will be held again on the Memorial Day weekend (May 
> 22-25th).
> We will have a research only day on the 22nd, and commercial 23-25th.
> 
> The website is www.fireinthesky.org, but I must admit we're a little
> behind schedule getting the info (dates, etc.) for 2009 
> updated.  Please
> check back at the site in a couple weeks and we should have everything
> up to speed.
> 
> -Denny
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Azinger, Fred [mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:43 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?
> 
> I seem to be Google-challenged today.
> I'm looking for information on FITS'09 but can't seem to find 
> anything.
> Is it scheduled this year?
> Can somebody give me the dates?
> I actually might have a chance to attend for the first time and I want
> to get it on the calendar.
> Thx,
> FredA
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>   


From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 21:58:50 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:58:50 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC April Meeting;
	Seeking EX ers or Project Hightlights
Message-ID: <00b001c9a13c$e7f6ca30$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>


EX;
Are you an EXer? Into Hybrids? Make your own fuel? Planning to attend the OregonRocketry club meeting April 2nd? Share your experience and pass the knowledge. Let me know off list, and I'll get you signed up for a segment in the next meeting.

Members;
Got a project? Want to share? If you're an OROC member and planning to attend the next OROC meeting, contact me off list to be added to the agenda. Share it. Let me know.

Cheers,
Robert
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EX;
Are you an EXer? Into Hybrids? Make your own fuel? Planning to attend the OregonRocketry club meeting April 2nd? Share your experience and pass the knowledge. Let me know off list, and I'll get you signed up for a segment in the next meeting.
?
Members;
Got a project? Want to share? If you're an OROC member and planning to attend the next OROC meeting, contact me off list to be added to the agenda. Share it. Let me know.
?
Cheers,
Robert

From mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net  Mon Mar  9 22:26:47 2009
From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net (mikeandkimwyvel)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:26:47 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?
In-Reply-To: <006701c9a135$d1a06c20$0400a8c0@MainPC>
References: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FA0A6E0@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>	<4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005107C9F9C@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>
	<006701c9a135$d1a06c20$0400a8c0@MainPC>
Message-ID: <017801c9a140$cf32ed90$6d98c8b0$@net>

The research site is going to be at the Sportsman's club this year.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Vern Knowles
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:08 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?

 
Is the FITS 2009 research launch (May 22) being held at the same site as the
commercial launch?  Or
at the alternate site like in past years?  Either way, I like the option of
having four days to
fly!

Vern Knowles
www.vernk.com



> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Denny Smith
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:52 PM
> To: Azinger, Fred; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?
> 
> Hi Fred
> 
> FITS 2009 will be held again on the Memorial Day weekend (May 
> 22-25th).
> We will have a research only day on the 22nd, and commercial 23-25th.
> 
> The website is www.fireinthesky.org, but I must admit we're a little
> behind schedule getting the info (dates, etc.) for 2009 
> updated.  Please
> check back at the site in a couple weeks and we should have everything
> up to speed.
> 
> -Denny
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Azinger, Fred [mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:43 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS '09?
> 
> I seem to be Google-challenged today.
> I'm looking for information on FITS'09 but can't seem to find 
> anything.
> Is it scheduled this year?
> Can somebody give me the dates?
> I actually might have a chance to attend for the first time and I want
> to get it on the calendar.
> Thx,
> FredA
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>   

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From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Tue Mar 10 08:31:26 2009
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:31:26 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttle launch notice, Wednesday, 11MAR09/1820
In-Reply-To: <49B436E4.7080204@earthlink.net>
References: <49B436E4.7080204@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099014D01@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>

So I'm finally going to do it, I fly out this afternoon with camera and lens.   coming back thurs.  wish me photographic-luck.  :)

b

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:22 PM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttle launch notice, Wednesday, 11MAR09/1820

Mission: STS-119 - International Space Station Flight 15A
Orbiter: Discovery (OV-103)
Launch Date: NET March 11, 21:20 EDT
Mission Number: Shuttle flight No. 126
Launch Pad: 39A map weather
Mission Duration: 11 - 14 days
Landing Site: Kennedy Space Center map
Inclination/Altitude: 51.6 degrees/122 nautical miles
Primary Payload: ITS-S6 (4th starboard truss segment), Solar Arrays
Crew: Mission Commander: Lee J. Archambault; Pilot: Dominic A.
Antonelli; Mission Specialists: Joseph Acaba, Richard R. Arnold II, John
L. Phillips, Steven R. Swanson, launch: Koichi Wakata (Flight Engineer,
Expedition 18, JAXA); landing: Sandra Magnus (Flight Engineer,
Expedition 17, 18).
Contingency Shuttle Crew Support Mission: STS-327 (Rescue STS-119) -
Endeavour (OV-105).

THERE ARE NO MORE THAN TEN SHUTTLE LAUNCHES REMAINING!

STS-119 (ISS assembly flight 15A) is the next planned space shuttle
mission to the International Space Station (ISS), scheduled to be flown
by Space Shuttle Discovery. It will deliver and assemble the fourth
starboard Integrated Truss Segment (S6), and the fourth set of solar
arrays and batteries to the station. The launch is currently tentatively
scheduled for 11 March, 2009.

STS-119 will deliver the S6 solar arrays to the space station,
completing the construction of the Integrated Truss Structure. STS-119
will be used for several experiments, including Shuttle Ionospheric
Modification with Pulsed Local EXhaust (SIMPLEX), Shuttle Exhaust Ion
Turbulence Experiments (SEITE), and Maui Analysis of Upper Atmospheric
Injections (MAUI). STS-119 will also be used for the the "Boundary Layer
Transition Detailed Test Objective" experiment. One tile in the thermal
protection system will be raised 0.25 inches (6.4 mm) above the others
so that, at about Mach 15 during reentry, a boundary layer transition
will be initiated.

Mission background
156th American manned space flight
125th shuttle mission since STS-1
36th Flight of Discovery
100th post-Challenger mission
12th post-Columbia mission
28th shuttle mission to the International Space Station

The NASA Mission Management Team have given the go for launch on 11
March 2009m at 9:20pm EDT. The only issue that is being worked relates
to a SRB (Solid Rocket Booster) Range Safety System. Engineers will
replace cable and hardware in the left SRB and re-test the system over
the weekend, after the FRR decided flying "as-is" would be unacceptable.
The call to stations will happen on Sunday evening and the astronauts
will arrive at about 3pm EDT on 8 March 2009.

http://www.floridatoday.com/content/blogs/space/2009/03/crew-at-ksc-ready-to-get-going.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-119
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/
http://www.space.gs/sts-119/


View the launch at these websites:
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/
http://www.fromil.com/tv/index.php?radio=5

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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 10 09:26:48 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:26:48 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttle launch notice, Wednesday, 11MAR09/1820
In-Reply-To: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099014D01@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <49B436E4.7080204@earthlink.net>
	<3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099014D01@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <49B694C8.8010403@earthlink.net>

Launch Viewing: Where & How to Watch, View and See Space Shuttle ...
http://www.launchphotography.com/Shuttle_Launch_Viewing.html

GoogTube comments on one Shuttle launch video:

Any advice on getting tickets for the causeway? I hear they sell out fast.
I got mine through Florida Dolphin Tours, which was perfect for me since 
I flew into Orlando, and the ticket included the round trip 
transportation to NASA from Orlando. I bought them after they were sold 
out at NASA. Check them out.

Robert

Brad Wright wrote:
> So I'm finally going to do it, I fly out this afternoon with camera and lens.   coming back thurs.  wish me photographic-luck.  :)
>
> b
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:22 PM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttle launch notice, Wednesday, 11MAR09/1820
>
> Mission: STS-119 - International Space Station Flight 15A
> Orbiter: Discovery (OV-103)
> Launch Date: NET March 11, 21:20 EDT
> Mission Number: Shuttle flight No. 126
> Launch Pad: 39A map weather
> Mission Duration: 11 - 14 days
> Landing Site: Kennedy Space Center map
> Inclination/Altitude: 51.6 degrees/122 nautical miles
> Primary Payload: ITS-S6 (4th starboard truss segment), Solar Arrays
> Crew: Mission Commander: Lee J. Archambault; Pilot: Dominic A.
> Antonelli; Mission Specialists: Joseph Acaba, Richard R. Arnold II, John
> L. Phillips, Steven R. Swanson, launch: Koichi Wakata (Flight Engineer,
> Expedition 18, JAXA); landing: Sandra Magnus (Flight Engineer,
> Expedition 17, 18).
> Contingency Shuttle Crew Support Mission: STS-327 (Rescue STS-119) -
> Endeavour (OV-105).
>
> THERE ARE NO MORE THAN TEN SHUTTLE LAUNCHES REMAINING!
>
> STS-119 (ISS assembly flight 15A) is the next planned space shuttle
> mission to the International Space Station (ISS), scheduled to be flown
> by Space Shuttle Discovery. It will deliver and assemble the fourth
> starboard Integrated Truss Segment (S6), and the fourth set of solar
> arrays and batteries to the station. The launch is currently tentatively
> scheduled for 11 March, 2009.
>
> STS-119 will deliver the S6 solar arrays to the space station,
> completing the construction of the Integrated Truss Structure. STS-119
> will be used for several experiments, including Shuttle Ionospheric
> Modification with Pulsed Local EXhaust (SIMPLEX), Shuttle Exhaust Ion
> Turbulence Experiments (SEITE), and Maui Analysis of Upper Atmospheric
> Injections (MAUI). STS-119 will also be used for the the "Boundary Layer
> Transition Detailed Test Objective" experiment. One tile in the thermal
> protection system will be raised 0.25 inches (6.4 mm) above the others
> so that, at about Mach 15 during reentry, a boundary layer transition
> will be initiated.
>
> Mission background
> 156th American manned space flight
> 125th shuttle mission since STS-1
> 36th Flight of Discovery
> 100th post-Challenger mission
> 12th post-Columbia mission
> 28th shuttle mission to the International Space Station
>
> The NASA Mission Management Team have given the go for launch on 11
> March 2009m at 9:20pm EDT. The only issue that is being worked relates
> to a SRB (Solid Rocket Booster) Range Safety System. Engineers will
> replace cable and hardware in the left SRB and re-test the system over
> the weekend, after the FRR decided flying "as-is" would be unacceptable.
> The call to stations will happen on Sunday evening and the astronauts
> will arrive at about 3pm EDT on 8 March 2009.
>
> http://www.floridatoday.com/content/blogs/space/2009/03/crew-at-ksc-ready-to-get-going.shtml
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-119
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/
> http://www.space.gs/sts-119/
>
>
> View the launch at these websites:
> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/
> http://www.fromil.com/tv/index.php?radio=5
>
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>   


From forttusken2001 at aol.com  Tue Mar 10 11:07:05 2009
From: forttusken2001 at aol.com (Chris Stone)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:07:05 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Cars turned Space Shuttles
Message-ID: <00cb01c9a1ab$06438e60$12caab20$@com>

http://www.topgear.com/us/legend/more/2001-a-space-idiocy

 

This is pretty funny.

 

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This is pretty funny.
?

From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com  Tue Mar 10 11:34:33 2009
From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:34:33 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Lawsuit
In-Reply-To: <4474.67.189.35.224.1236404035.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
References: <mailman.175.1236384699.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
	<4474.67.189.35.224.1236404035.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
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 yay lo, this in fact -did- happen. In the old days, we had a working
agreement with ATF. They considered model rocket motors innocent little
toys and sort of deferred regulation to DOT. Then, as commercial rocket
motors grew, they said; "you can play with the little toys alright, but
we wanna regulate the big stuff." The way it was worded, a J350 fell
into the little stuff category. That was fine for years, then the BATF
got stinky and said, "what we meant was..." and now all of a sudden we
needed Federal, State and local permits to have a G80 in our range box.
The NAR and TRA groups sought to "work with" BATF for years on this, but
BATF would not budge one newton second. So, we began the court
proceedings. Mid way through, we again sought an "even ground". Nope.
Naughta. They forced our hand so we presented the full monty.

bloomer

-----Original Message-----
From: jhadv at pacifier.com [mailto:jhadv at pacifier.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:34 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Lawsuit


     On learning more and more about this stuff I am not so sure about
the breadth of the legal strategy.  It seems to me that the legal
approach is so ambitious for the judge that it may be a bridge too far.
True AP motors are not "explosives" but they are not totally benign
either and the government probably has a reasonable interest in having
some knowledge of people that possess hundreds of pounds of this stuff
or more importantly the fabrication capacity.
    Given all that I would seriously doubt that the judge would rule
that the BATFE has no jurisdiction because AP is not an "explosive." 
However, even if he did rule no jurisdiction, which is in essence what
he is being asked to do, he would, in my estimation, automatically stay
the order pending appeal given the prima facie government interest in
the material at issue.
    Then the government could appeal, ask congress to amend the act or,
and this is what concerns me, transfer jurisdiction to the Homeland
Security (a.k.a. gestapo) under the anti-terror provisions.  So I am not
sure what we think we are trying to accomplish here.  One can't turn the
clock back and it is post 9-11.  If the plaintiffs have the opportunity
they should, again in my estimation, take a deal for some reasonable
relaxation of the requirements rather than demand a probably untenable
situation like AP being taken from the government jurisdiction because
it is not an "explosive".  I just don't think that happens.

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From jhadv at pacifier.com  Tue Mar 10 12:33:41 2009
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:33:41 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Lawsuit
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1236711603.24269.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090310122606.00c29898@mail.iinet.com>


>The way it was worded, a J350 fell into the little stuff category. That 
>was fine for years, then the BATF got stinky and said, "what we meant 
>was..." and now all of a sudden we needed Federal, State and local permits 
>to have a G80 in our range box.  The NAR and TRA groups sought to "work 
>with" BATF for years on this, but
>BATF would not budge one newton second. So, we began the court 
>proceedings. Mid way through, we again sought an "even ground". Nope.
>Naughta. They forced our hand so we presented the full monty.


I know it and believe me I think the BATFE made errors in judgement and 
behaved badly to get us to this point.  However, the new staff at Justice 
might be more amenable to a settlement than the old staff as they are more 
pragmatic (not hard to do considering the old staff) and hopefully not 
quite as dictatorial.  I just think the timing is right to try again and 
hopefully to get some form of reasonable accommodation.  If they tell us to 
go fly a kite, instead of a rocket, then we press for the judges 
decision.  We don't lose anything by trying I don't think. 


From jhadv at pacifier.com  Tue Mar 10 12:52:54 2009
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:52:54 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] 2001 a Space Idiocy
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1236711603.24269.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090310125202.00c39690@mail.iinet.com>

I really enjoyed this.  Great project.


>http://www.topgear.com/us/legend/more/2001-a-space-idiocy
>
>
>
>This is pretty funny.


From jim at discountrocketry.com  Tue Mar 10 18:59:59 2009
From: jim at discountrocketry.com (Jim at Discount Rocketry)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:59:59 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Cars turned Space Shuttles
In-Reply-To: <00cb01c9a1ab$06438e60$12caab20$@com>
Message-ID: <D4BD259A950B4D41BD7497B2B70EC35F@discountmain>

That was great!

This puts the US High Power television series to shame.

Jim
Discount Rocketry

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Chris Stone
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:07 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Cars turned Space Shuttles

http://www.topgear.com/us/legend/more/2001-a-space-idiocy

 

This is pretty funny.

 



From mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net  Wed Mar 11 19:42:09 2009
From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net (mikeandkimwyvel)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:42:09 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Announcing Fire in the Sky 2009
Message-ID: <000b01c9a2bc$24a1baa0$6de52fe0$@net>

Hi everyone.  Washington Aerospace is proud to announce Fire in the Sky
2009. We will be holding the launch at the Sportsman's club in Mansfield
Washington from Friday May 22nd to Monday May 25th.  This year we will be
holding the research launch at the Sportsman's Club as well on Friday May
22nd.  I'm a little behind getting the website up to date so please bear
with me while I get things organized.  I'll send another mail in the next
few days with details around registration, launch fees, and special events.

 

So mark your calendars everyone, May 22nd - May 25th is the big weekend! Get
those winter projects finished up, install your flow control valves,  and
start collecting your camping gear.  If you have any questions about FITS
2009 feel free to contact Denny Smith or myself.

 

Thanks,

Mike Wyvel and Denny Smith

FITS 2009 Launch Directors

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Hi everyone. Washington Aerospace is proud to announce Fire in the Sky 2009. We will be holding the launch at the Sportsman???s club in Mansfield Washington from Friday May 22
nd
to Monday May 25
th
. This year we will be holding the research launch at the Sportsman???s Club as well on Friday May 22
nd
. I???m a little behind getting the website up to date so please bear with me while I get things organized. I???ll send another mail in the next few days with details around registration, launch fees, and special events.
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So mark your calendars everyone, May 22
nd
??? May 25
th
is the big weekend! Get those winter projects finished up, install your flow control valves, ?and start collecting your camping gear.? If you have any questions about FITS 2009 feel free to contact Denny Smith or myself.
?
Thanks,
Mike Wyvel and Denny Smith
FITS 2009 Launch Directors

From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 12 15:52:07 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:52:07 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
In-Reply-To: <007b01c99eb9$3fe6d2c0$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>	<49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A0D@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B0B8AF.7040100@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A10@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B14A7B.5090600@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D944@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<49B1559E.8070108@earthlink.net>
	<007b01c99eb9$3fe6d2c0$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <49B99217.5060302@earthlink.net>

Today is a beautiful day for flying rockets but looking at the Sunday 
forecast I'm just wondering if it is going to be a rain out.

Should we just continue to plan on it happening and play it by ear on 
Sunday morning?

Robert

Robert Krausert wrote:
> OK, Here is what I know.
>
> Obama only blocked legislation that was signed by the Whitehouse. This 
> was a change only to regulations and to accomodate the paper reduction 
> act. No sig by Bush. Therefore, this new rule is registered and active 
> today. No 60-90 day delay based on the "holds" placed on signed 
> laws/bills.
>
> As far as the registry is concerned, this new classing and 
> notification requirements are in effect now. I'm no legal guy. But the 
> new administration only blocked those that went through the 
> Whitehouse. This one never did.
>
> Just remember, table 1 requires a launch zone 5 miles from an airport. 
> Those within 5 mile must revert to table 2, the FAR101 stuff. Read the 
> rules when within 5 miles, and yes 24 hour notice still applies. B e 
> acreful. Inside the 5 miles, there is a list in Table 2 that you need 
> to provide. Cool thing is that it's over the phone only, with no 
> written/faxed info.
>
> That's how I read it. Thus my interp.  of thesse rules.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" 
> <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
>
> So the news desk article on RocketryPlanet.com published on 3FEB09 about
> the new regs being in effect is incorrect?
>
> Someone might want to alert RP that these regs won't go into effect
> until 60 or ninety days after 2FEB09. Otherwise a significant number of
> individual rocketeers as well as clubs might be out there flying FAR101
> rockets without doing the necessary notifications.
>
> I have not received any emails from Cheryl Brown at the FAA that the reg
> implementation has been delayed. The last email I received from her was
> that the rules were going into effect and received an updated copy which
> I posted on the RocketsNW server. Is it possible that the FAA has not
> been notified of the delay? Is it safe to assume that if I and others
> have not been directly contacted about the delay by the FAA that we
> could go ahead and fly under the new regs?
>
> Robert
>
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/content/view/2740/29/
> New FAA regulations now in effect
>
> Industry News by Planet News
> Tuesday, February 03, 2009
>
> WORLD WIDE WEB ? The New U.S. Federal Aviation Administration ruling
> regarding hobby rocketry went into effect yesterday, reducing the
> notification requirements for most hobby rocketry enthusiasts
> nationwide. The new ruling was published in the Federal Register on
> December 4, 2008 with an effective date of February 2, 2009.
>
> The new ruling merged two previous classifications of model rocketry,
> model and large model rockets, into one class, identified as Class 1
> Model Rockets. This class, defined at 14 CFR 101.22(a), identifies a
> Class 1 Model Rocket as an amateur rocket that uses a slow-burning
> propellant, is made of paper, wood or breakable plastic, contains no
> substantial metal parts, and weighs no more than 1,500 grams, or 53
> ounces, including propellant.
>
> The old rules for large model rockets, requiring notification of the
> FAA, no longer apply as long as the operating limitations of 14 CFR
> 101.23 are followed:
>
>    * Is launched on a suborbital trajectory;
>    * When launched, must not cross into the territory of a foreign
>      country unless an agreement is in place between the United States
>      and the country of concern;
>    * Is unmanned; and
>    * Does not create a hazard to persons, property, or other aircraft.
>
> The FAA may specify additional operating limitations necessary to ensure
> that air traffic is not adversely affected, and public safety is not
> jeopardized.
>
> For enthusiasts that participate in high power rocketry, the new FAA
> Class 2 category provides for those rockets which operate with up to
> 40,960 N-s of total impulse, or what is considered an "O" impulse motor.
> In addition to the considerations above, Class 2 rockets must also
> operate under these considerations:
>
>    * In addition, you must not operate a Class 2 High Power Rocket
>    * At any altitude where clouds or obscuring phenomena of more than
>      five tenths coverage prevails;
>    * At any altitude where the horizontal visibility is less than five
>      miles;
>    * Into any cloud;
>    * Between sunset and sunrise without prior authorization from the FAA;
>    * Within 8 kilometers (5 statute miles) of any airport boundary
>      without prior authorization from the FAA;
>    * In controlled airspace without prior authorization from the FAA;
>    * Unless you observe the greater of the following separation
>      distances from any person or property that is not associated with
>      the operations applies:
>      i. Not less than one quarter the maximum expected altitude;
>      ii. 457 meters (1,500 ft.);
>    * Unless a person at least eighteen years old is present, is charged
>      with ensuring the safety of the operation, and has final approval
>      authority for initiating high power rocket flight; and
>    * Unless reasonable precautions are provided to report and control a
>      fire caused by rocket activities.
>
> To assist their members with FAA waivers, the National Association of
> Rocketry has prepared a page on their website to assist with waiver
> application filings. You can read more about this at:
> http://www.nar.org/cabinet/waiverinst.html.
>
> Two other classes also become effective: a Class 3 Advanced High Power
> rocket class, which includes any amatuer rocket that exceeds 40,960 N-s
> of total impulse, and a Class 4 Other category which includes any
> unmanned rocket that is not an amateur rocket. The new Class 3 is the
> most controversial new classification for hobby enthusiasts, in that all
> Class 3 flights have to apply for their own FAA waivers individually,
> making it much more difficult for participants of these larger amateur
> rockets to get past the regulatory red tape.
>
>
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>> Correction:
>>
>> The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
>> remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
>> administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
>> previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
>> forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
>> and the administration decides not to quash the change.
>>
>> Sigh of discontent...
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>> Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
>> or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
>> lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
>> 3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.
>>
>> Who else is planning to come out to the launch?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>
>>> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
>>>
>> will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
>> all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>>
>>>
>>> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
>>>
>> notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
>> make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>>
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>>>
>>> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are
>>> planning to attend from your group?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
>>>>
>> a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
>> Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>>
>>>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
>>>>
>> it carbonate between now and then.
>>
>>>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
>>>>
>> their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
>> good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
>> flight or two.
>>
>>>> Peter Schurke
>>>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>>> Ingraham High School
>>>> Seattle, WA
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It could be a long name like...
>>>>
>>>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my
>>>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>>>
>>>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> Leap launch.
>>>>
>>>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that
>>>> might be present.
>>>>
>>>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about
>>>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
>>>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE
>>>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but
>>>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few
>>>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
>>>>>>>>>
>> interfered.
>>
>>>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
>>>>>>>>>
>> scheduled?
>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the
>>>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out
>>>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids
>>>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models
>>>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP
>>>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later
>>>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
>>>>>>>>>
>> spectators.
>>
>>>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
>>>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches.
>>>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that
>>>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had
>>>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field
>>>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F.
>>>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
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From winningstad at comcast.net  Thu Mar 12 17:22:29 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:22:29 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
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Man up, dude...get your anatomy out there and launch rockets!

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.
-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Hammer
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:52 PM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch

Today is a beautiful day for flying rockets but looking at the Sunday 
forecast I'm just wondering if it is going to be a rain out.

Should we just continue to plan on it happening and play it by ear on 
Sunday morning?

Robert

Robert Krausert wrote:
> OK, Here is what I know.
>
> Obama only blocked legislation that was signed by the Whitehouse. This 
> was a change only to regulations and to accomodate the paper reduction 
> act. No sig by Bush. Therefore, this new rule is registered and active 
> today. No 60-90 day delay based on the "holds" placed on signed 
> laws/bills.
>
> As far as the registry is concerned, this new classing and 
> notification requirements are in effect now. I'm no legal guy. But the 
> new administration only blocked those that went through the 
> Whitehouse. This one never did.
>
> Just remember, table 1 requires a launch zone 5 miles from an airport. 
> Those within 5 mile must revert to table 2, the FAR101 stuff. Read the 
> rules when within 5 miles, and yes 24 hour notice still applies. B e 
> acreful. Inside the 5 miles, there is a list in Table 2 that you need 
> to provide. Cool thing is that it's over the phone only, with no 
> written/faxed info.
>
> That's how I read it. Thus my interp.  of thesse rules.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" 
> <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
>
> So the news desk article on RocketryPlanet.com published on 3FEB09 about
> the new regs being in effect is incorrect?
>
> Someone might want to alert RP that these regs won't go into effect
> until 60 or ninety days after 2FEB09. Otherwise a significant number of
> individual rocketeers as well as clubs might be out there flying FAR101
> rockets without doing the necessary notifications.
>
> I have not received any emails from Cheryl Brown at the FAA that the reg
> implementation has been delayed. The last email I received from her was
> that the rules were going into effect and received an updated copy which
> I posted on the RocketsNW server. Is it possible that the FAA has not
> been notified of the delay? Is it safe to assume that if I and others
> have not been directly contacted about the delay by the FAA that we
> could go ahead and fly under the new regs?
>
> Robert
>
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/content/view/2740/29/
> New FAA regulations now in effect
>
> Industry News by Planet News
> Tuesday, February 03, 2009
>
> WORLD WIDE WEB - The New U.S. Federal Aviation Administration ruling
> regarding hobby rocketry went into effect yesterday, reducing the
> notification requirements for most hobby rocketry enthusiasts
> nationwide. The new ruling was published in the Federal Register on
> December 4, 2008 with an effective date of February 2, 2009.
>
> The new ruling merged two previous classifications of model rocketry,
> model and large model rockets, into one class, identified as Class 1
> Model Rockets. This class, defined at 14 CFR 101.22(a), identifies a
> Class 1 Model Rocket as an amateur rocket that uses a slow-burning
> propellant, is made of paper, wood or breakable plastic, contains no
> substantial metal parts, and weighs no more than 1,500 grams, or 53
> ounces, including propellant.
>
> The old rules for large model rockets, requiring notification of the
> FAA, no longer apply as long as the operating limitations of 14 CFR
> 101.23 are followed:
>
>    * Is launched on a suborbital trajectory;
>    * When launched, must not cross into the territory of a foreign
>      country unless an agreement is in place between the United States
>      and the country of concern;
>    * Is unmanned; and
>    * Does not create a hazard to persons, property, or other aircraft.
>
> The FAA may specify additional operating limitations necessary to ensure
> that air traffic is not adversely affected, and public safety is not
> jeopardized.
>
> For enthusiasts that participate in high power rocketry, the new FAA
> Class 2 category provides for those rockets which operate with up to
> 40,960 N-s of total impulse, or what is considered an "O" impulse motor.
> In addition to the considerations above, Class 2 rockets must also
> operate under these considerations:
>
>    * In addition, you must not operate a Class 2 High Power Rocket
>    * At any altitude where clouds or obscuring phenomena of more than
>      five tenths coverage prevails;
>    * At any altitude where the horizontal visibility is less than five
>      miles;
>    * Into any cloud;
>    * Between sunset and sunrise without prior authorization from the FAA;
>    * Within 8 kilometers (5 statute miles) of any airport boundary
>      without prior authorization from the FAA;
>    * In controlled airspace without prior authorization from the FAA;
>    * Unless you observe the greater of the following separation
>      distances from any person or property that is not associated with
>      the operations applies:
>      i. Not less than one quarter the maximum expected altitude;
>      ii. 457 meters (1,500 ft.);
>    * Unless a person at least eighteen years old is present, is charged
>      with ensuring the safety of the operation, and has final approval
>      authority for initiating high power rocket flight; and
>    * Unless reasonable precautions are provided to report and control a
>      fire caused by rocket activities.
>
> To assist their members with FAA waivers, the National Association of
> Rocketry has prepared a page on their website to assist with waiver
> application filings. You can read more about this at:
> http://www.nar.org/cabinet/waiverinst.html.
>
> Two other classes also become effective: a Class 3 Advanced High Power
> rocket class, which includes any amatuer rocket that exceeds 40,960 N-s
> of total impulse, and a Class 4 Other category which includes any
> unmanned rocket that is not an amateur rocket. The new Class 3 is the
> most controversial new classification for hobby enthusiasts, in that all
> Class 3 flights have to apply for their own FAA waivers individually,
> making it much more difficult for participants of these larger amateur
> rockets to get past the regulatory red tape.
>
>
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>> Correction:
>>
>> The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
>> remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
>> administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
>> previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
>> forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
>> and the administration decides not to quash the change.
>>
>> Sigh of discontent...
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>> Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
>> or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
>> lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
>> 3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.
>>
>> Who else is planning to come out to the launch?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>
>>> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
>>>
>> will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
>> all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>>
>>>
>>> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
>>>
>> notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
>> make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>>
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>>>
>>> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are
>>> planning to attend from your group?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
>>>>
>> a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
>> Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>>
>>>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
>>>>
>> it carbonate between now and then.
>>
>>>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
>>>>
>> their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
>> good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
>> flight or two.
>>
>>>> Peter Schurke
>>>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>>> Ingraham High School
>>>> Seattle, WA
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It could be a long name like...
>>>>
>>>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my
>>>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>>>
>>>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> Leap launch.
>>>>
>>>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that
>>>> might be present.
>>>>
>>>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about
>>>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
>>>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE
>>>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but
>>>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few
>>>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
>>>>>>>>>
>> interfered.
>>
>>>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
>>>>>>>>>
>> scheduled?
>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the
>>>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out
>>>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids
>>>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models
>>>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP
>>>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later
>>>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
>>>>>>>>>
>> spectators.
>>
>>>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
>>>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches.
>>>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that
>>>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had
>>>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field
>>>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F.
>>>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> - Dave
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>>>>>
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From appusher at q.com  Thu Mar 12 17:27:20 2009
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:27:20 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Is the server down or what..........
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Is the server down or what..........

From greg at blastzone.com  Thu Mar 12 18:40:56 2009
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:40:56 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Is the server down or what..........
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Nope, everything is peachy...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Bill Munds
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:27 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Is the server down or what..........
> 
> 
> Is the server down or what..........
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 19:00:09 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:00:09 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] [Reminder] March 14th - Packard's "Touch of the Irish
	Thunder" Rocket Launch Event
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  Packard's "Touch of the Irish Thunder" Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park Wilsonville
  There will be a model rocketry event at Memorial Park in Wilsonville, Oregon on March 14th beginning at 12:00pm. Near Portland and easy to find, this is a great time to introduce youth to the science and enjoyment of rocketry. This event is hosted by OregonRocketry. 

  Go get you and your kids some model rockets and some motors. Rockets make a great St. Patrick's day gift... Maximum altitude will be determined based on weather conditions. Plan on being ok with A, B, C and D motors, and maybe E if conditions warrant it safely. The last event we were ok with 1000 feet with minimal wind. 

  Kids can win!!! We'll be holding a raffle for those under 18 years of age for a rocketry box complete with launcher, controller, and repair gear needed at launches in the field. Raffle drawing will be held at 2pm, the day of the event. Must be present to win. 

  St Patrick's day is March 17th. Feel free to wear cloths with green, fly green rockets, or bring treats relative to St. Patrick's day. Let's have some fun. 

  We need some help to facilitate the launch, if you are willing to assist, please advise. I will be onsite to help Keith facilitate the event. Keith is the event director and has final approval for all aspects of the launch. 

  Join us for the March 14th 2009 Packard's "Touch of the Irish" Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park in Wilsonville Oregon. 

  Wilsonville Memorial Park
  8100 SW Wilsonville Rd.
  Wilsonville, OR 97070

  Fliers; 
  Event time is 12:00pm - 3:00pm; all NAR rules apply, plus any additional rules / restrictions for this site. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions. LCO tables are not for prep, please use the available tables in the prep area. This is a sanctioned launch event by National Association of Rocketry through NAR section 555 OREO (Steve Tarr). Come prepared for cold weather and wear boots/shoes that will keep feet warm and dry. 

  Support staff; 
  We are planning to arrive by 11:00am to scope out parking and field preference. Keith is bringing a six rod launch pad (has 1/8, 3/8, and 1/4" rods), and I'll be bringing LCO tables, flight line stakes, and my launch controller. So no OROC GSE is needed for this event. We need extra tables for the prep area. The only other thing I can think of is extra Estes ignitors. I'm planning to bring some spare motors and a bunch of different size Estes ignitors... They like to spit too often, so if you have extra ignitors and plungers, and can spare them, please bring. Certainly bring some rockets... I can also bring a bag of dog barf. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions.

  Cheers,
  Robert
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Packard's "Touch of the Irish Thunder" Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park Wilsonville
There will be a model rocketry event at Memorial Park in Wilsonville, Oregon on March 14th beginning at 12:00pm. Near Portland and easy to find, this is a great time to introduce youth to the science and enjoyment of rocketry. This event is hosted by OregonRocketry.
Go get you and your kids some model rockets and some motors. Rockets make a great St. Patrick's day gift... Maximum altitude will be determined based on weather conditions. Plan on being ok with A, B, C and D motors, and maybe E if conditions warrant it safely. The last event we were ok with 1000 feet with minimal wind.
Kids can win!!! We'll be holding a raffle for those under 18 years of age for a rocketry box complete with launcher, controller, and repair gear needed at launches in the field. Raffle drawing will be held at 2pm, the day of the event. Must be present to win.
St Patrick's day is March 17th. Feel free to wear cloths with green, fly green rockets, or bring treats relative to St. Patrick's day. Let's have some fun.
We need some help to facilitate the launch, if you are willing to assist, please advise. I will be onsite to help Keith facilitate the event. Keith is the event director and has final approval for all aspects of the launch.
Join us for the March 14th 2009 Packard's "Touch of the Irish" Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park in Wilsonville Oregon.
Wilsonville Memorial Park
8100 SW Wilsonville Rd.
Wilsonville, OR 97070
Fliers;
Event time is 12:00pm - 3:00pm; all NAR rules apply, plus any additional rules / restrictions for this site. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions. LCO tables are not for prep, please use the available tables in the prep area. This is a sanctioned launch event by National Association of Rocketry through NAR section 555 OREO (Steve Tarr). Come prepared for cold weather and wear boots/shoes that will keep feet warm and dry.
Support staff;
We are planning to arrive by 11:00am to scope out parking and field preference. Keith is bringing a six rod launch pad (has 1/8, 3/8, and 1/4" rods), and I'll be bringing LCO tables, flight line stakes, and my launch controller. So no OROC GSE is needed for this event. We need extra tables for the prep area. The only other thing I can think of is extra Estes ignitors. I'm planning to bring some spare motors and a bunch of different size Estes ignitors... They like to spit too often, so if you have extra ignitors and plungers, and can spare them, please bring. Certainly bring some rockets... I can also bring a bag of dog barf. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions.
Cheers,
Robert

From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Thu Mar 12 23:38:05 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:38:05 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
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As much as I'd love to get the students out there to gather some more data, a 90% chance of rain, low predicted cloud ceilings, and unfavorable winds are not a rocket friendly combination.  (Besides, this late in the game, they can't afford to lose their vehicles to the rocket-eating trees...)  
 
If we don't see a dramatic shift in the forecast by the end of school on Friday I'm going to tell my kids to bag it and we'll wait for the weather to clear midweek.
 
Peter Schurke
Teacher and Lead Advisor
Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
Ingraham High School
Seattle, WA

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Dennis Winningstad
Sent: Thu 3/12/2009 5:22 PM
To: 'Hammer'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch



Man up, dude...get your anatomy out there and launch rockets!

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529

It is bad luck to be superstitious.
-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Hammer
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:52 PM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch

Today is a beautiful day for flying rockets but looking at the Sunday
forecast I'm just wondering if it is going to be a rain out.

Should we just continue to plan on it happening and play it by ear on
Sunday morning?

Robert

Robert Krausert wrote:
> OK, Here is what I know.
>
> Obama only blocked legislation that was signed by the Whitehouse. This
> was a change only to regulations and to accomodate the paper reduction
> act. No sig by Bush. Therefore, this new rule is registered and active
> today. No 60-90 day delay based on the "holds" placed on signed
> laws/bills.
>
> As far as the registry is concerned, this new classing and
> notification requirements are in effect now. I'm no legal guy. But the
> new administration only blocked those that went through the
> Whitehouse. This one never did.
>
> Just remember, table 1 requires a launch zone 5 miles from an airport.
> Those within 5 mile must revert to table 2, the FAR101 stuff. Read the
> rules when within 5 miles, and yes 24 hour notice still applies. B e
> acreful. Inside the 5 miles, there is a list in Table 2 that you need
> to provide. Cool thing is that it's over the phone only, with no
> written/faxed info.
>
> That's how I read it. Thus my interp.  of thesse rules.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer"
> <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
>
> So the news desk article on RocketryPlanet.com published on 3FEB09 about
> the new regs being in effect is incorrect?
>
> Someone might want to alert RP that these regs won't go into effect
> until 60 or ninety days after 2FEB09. Otherwise a significant number of
> individual rocketeers as well as clubs might be out there flying FAR101
> rockets without doing the necessary notifications.
>
> I have not received any emails from Cheryl Brown at the FAA that the reg
> implementation has been delayed. The last email I received from her was
> that the rules were going into effect and received an updated copy which
> I posted on the RocketsNW server. Is it possible that the FAA has not
> been notified of the delay? Is it safe to assume that if I and others
> have not been directly contacted about the delay by the FAA that we
> could go ahead and fly under the new regs?
>
> Robert
>
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/content/view/2740/29/
> New FAA regulations now in effect
>
> Industry News by Planet News
> Tuesday, February 03, 2009
>
> WORLD WIDE WEB - The New U.S. Federal Aviation Administration ruling
> regarding hobby rocketry went into effect yesterday, reducing the
> notification requirements for most hobby rocketry enthusiasts
> nationwide. The new ruling was published in the Federal Register on
> December 4, 2008 with an effective date of February 2, 2009.
>
> The new ruling merged two previous classifications of model rocketry,
> model and large model rockets, into one class, identified as Class 1
> Model Rockets. This class, defined at 14 CFR 101.22(a), identifies a
> Class 1 Model Rocket as an amateur rocket that uses a slow-burning
> propellant, is made of paper, wood or breakable plastic, contains no
> substantial metal parts, and weighs no more than 1,500 grams, or 53
> ounces, including propellant.
>
> The old rules for large model rockets, requiring notification of the
> FAA, no longer apply as long as the operating limitations of 14 CFR
> 101.23 are followed:
>
>    * Is launched on a suborbital trajectory;
>    * When launched, must not cross into the territory of a foreign
>      country unless an agreement is in place between the United States
>      and the country of concern;
>    * Is unmanned; and
>    * Does not create a hazard to persons, property, or other aircraft.
>
> The FAA may specify additional operating limitations necessary to ensure
> that air traffic is not adversely affected, and public safety is not
> jeopardized.
>
> For enthusiasts that participate in high power rocketry, the new FAA
> Class 2 category provides for those rockets which operate with up to
> 40,960 N-s of total impulse, or what is considered an "O" impulse motor.
> In addition to the considerations above, Class 2 rockets must also
> operate under these considerations:
>
>    * In addition, you must not operate a Class 2 High Power Rocket
>    * At any altitude where clouds or obscuring phenomena of more than
>      five tenths coverage prevails;
>    * At any altitude where the horizontal visibility is less than five
>      miles;
>    * Into any cloud;
>    * Between sunset and sunrise without prior authorization from the FAA;
>    * Within 8 kilometers (5 statute miles) of any airport boundary
>      without prior authorization from the FAA;
>    * In controlled airspace without prior authorization from the FAA;
>    * Unless you observe the greater of the following separation
>      distances from any person or property that is not associated with
>      the operations applies:
>      i. Not less than one quarter the maximum expected altitude;
>      ii. 457 meters (1,500 ft.);
>    * Unless a person at least eighteen years old is present, is charged
>      with ensuring the safety of the operation, and has final approval
>      authority for initiating high power rocket flight; and
>    * Unless reasonable precautions are provided to report and control a
>      fire caused by rocket activities.
>
> To assist their members with FAA waivers, the National Association of
> Rocketry has prepared a page on their website to assist with waiver
> application filings. You can read more about this at:
> http://www.nar.org/cabinet/waiverinst.html.
>
> Two other classes also become effective: a Class 3 Advanced High Power
> rocket class, which includes any amatuer rocket that exceeds 40,960 N-s
> of total impulse, and a Class 4 Other category which includes any
> unmanned rocket that is not an amateur rocket. The new Class 3 is the
> most controversial new classification for hobby enthusiasts, in that all
> Class 3 flights have to apply for their own FAA waivers individually,
> making it much more difficult for participants of these larger amateur
> rockets to get past the regulatory red tape.
>
>
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>> Correction:
>>
>> The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
>> remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
>> administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
>> previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
>> forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
>> and the administration decides not to quash the change.
>>
>> Sigh of discontent...
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>> Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
>> or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
>> lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
>> 3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.
>>
>> Who else is planning to come out to the launch?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>
>>> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
>>>
>> will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
>> all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>>
>>>
>>> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
>>>
>> notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
>> make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>>
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>>>
>>> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are
>>> planning to attend from your group?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
>>>>
>> a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
>> Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>>
>>>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
>>>>
>> it carbonate between now and then.
>>
>>>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
>>>>
>> their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
>> good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
>> flight or two.
>>
>>>> Peter Schurke
>>>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>>> Ingraham High School
>>>> Seattle, WA
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It could be a long name like...
>>>>
>>>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my
>>>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>>>
>>>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> Leap launch.
>>>>
>>>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that
>>>> might be present.
>>>>
>>>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about
>>>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
>>>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE
>>>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but
>>>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few
>>>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
>>>>>>>>>
>> interfered.
>>
>>>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
>>>>>>>>>
>> scheduled?
>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the
>>>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out
>>>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids
>>>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models
>>>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP
>>>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later
>>>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
>>>>>>>>>
>> spectators.
>>
>>>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
>>>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches.
>>>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that
>>>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had
>>>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field
>>>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F.
>>>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> - Dave
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From mrrominwa at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 13 07:27:54 2009
From: mrrominwa at yahoo.com (dave woodard)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:27:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Is the server down or what..........
In-Reply-To: <050801c9a37c$c116f830$4344e890$@com>
Message-ID: <428893.69082.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


web saids??? webmail blast zone mx1 src login link is broken can't access email
?
?????????????????????????????? dave
?
?

--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Greg Deputy <greg at blastzone.com> wrote:

From: Greg Deputy <greg at blastzone.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Is the server down or what..........
To: "'Bill Munds'" <appusher at q.com>, rockets at rocketsnw.com
Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 6:40 PM

Nope, everything is peachy...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Bill Munds
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:27 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Is the server down or what..........
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From greg at blastzone.com  Fri Mar 13 08:02:31 2009
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:02:31 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Is the server down or what..........
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Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:28 AM
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Nope, everything is peachy...
 
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 13 11:21:22 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:21:22 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
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Let's go for it!  We'll just keep everything within the model rocket 
criteria.
If the weather is as bad as the forecasts say the launch will be 
rescheduled for the following Sunday on 22MAR09.  I'll be out there 
about 10AM to test the vertical waters.

Robert

Dennis Winningstad wrote:
> Man up, dude...get your anatomy out there and launch rockets!
>
> Dennis S Winningstad
> 503-781-3529
>  
> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Hammer
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:52 PM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
> Today is a beautiful day for flying rockets but looking at the Sunday 
> forecast I'm just wondering if it is going to be a rain out.
>
> Should we just continue to plan on it happening and play it by ear on 
> Sunday morning?
>
> Robert
>
> Robert Krausert wrote:
>   
>> OK, Here is what I know.
>>
>> Obama only blocked legislation that was signed by the Whitehouse. This 
>> was a change only to regulations and to accomodate the paper reduction 
>> act. No sig by Bush. Therefore, this new rule is registered and active 
>> today. No 60-90 day delay based on the "holds" placed on signed 
>> laws/bills.
>>
>> As far as the registry is concerned, this new classing and 
>> notification requirements are in effect now. I'm no legal guy. But the 
>> new administration only blocked those that went through the 
>> Whitehouse. This one never did.
>>
>> Just remember, table 1 requires a launch zone 5 miles from an airport. 
>> Those within 5 mile must revert to table 2, the FAR101 stuff. Read the 
>> rules when within 5 miles, and yes 24 hour notice still applies. B e 
>> acreful. Inside the 5 miles, there is a list in Table 2 that you need 
>> to provide. Cool thing is that it's over the phone only, with no 
>> written/faxed info.
>>
>> That's how I read it. Thus my interp.  of thesse rules.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Robert
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" 
>> <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
>> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>>
>> So the news desk article on RocketryPlanet.com published on 3FEB09 about
>> the new regs being in effect is incorrect?
>>
>> Someone might want to alert RP that these regs won't go into effect
>> until 60 or ninety days after 2FEB09. Otherwise a significant number of
>> individual rocketeers as well as clubs might be out there flying FAR101
>> rockets without doing the necessary notifications.
>>
>> I have not received any emails from Cheryl Brown at the FAA that the reg
>> implementation has been delayed. The last email I received from her was
>> that the rules were going into effect and received an updated copy which
>> I posted on the RocketsNW server. Is it possible that the FAA has not
>> been notified of the delay? Is it safe to assume that if I and others
>> have not been directly contacted about the delay by the FAA that we
>> could go ahead and fly under the new regs?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/content/view/2740/29/
>> New FAA regulations now in effect
>>
>> Industry News by Planet News
>> Tuesday, February 03, 2009
>>
>> WORLD WIDE WEB - The New U.S. Federal Aviation Administration ruling
>> regarding hobby rocketry went into effect yesterday, reducing the
>> notification requirements for most hobby rocketry enthusiasts
>> nationwide. The new ruling was published in the Federal Register on
>> December 4, 2008 with an effective date of February 2, 2009.
>>
>> The new ruling merged two previous classifications of model rocketry,
>> model and large model rockets, into one class, identified as Class 1
>> Model Rockets. This class, defined at 14 CFR 101.22(a), identifies a
>> Class 1 Model Rocket as an amateur rocket that uses a slow-burning
>> propellant, is made of paper, wood or breakable plastic, contains no
>> substantial metal parts, and weighs no more than 1,500 grams, or 53
>> ounces, including propellant.
>>
>> The old rules for large model rockets, requiring notification of the
>> FAA, no longer apply as long as the operating limitations of 14 CFR
>> 101.23 are followed:
>>
>>    * Is launched on a suborbital trajectory;
>>    * When launched, must not cross into the territory of a foreign
>>      country unless an agreement is in place between the United States
>>      and the country of concern;
>>    * Is unmanned; and
>>    * Does not create a hazard to persons, property, or other aircraft.
>>
>> The FAA may specify additional operating limitations necessary to ensure
>> that air traffic is not adversely affected, and public safety is not
>> jeopardized.
>>
>> For enthusiasts that participate in high power rocketry, the new FAA
>> Class 2 category provides for those rockets which operate with up to
>> 40,960 N-s of total impulse, or what is considered an "O" impulse motor.
>> In addition to the considerations above, Class 2 rockets must also
>> operate under these considerations:
>>
>>    * In addition, you must not operate a Class 2 High Power Rocket
>>    * At any altitude where clouds or obscuring phenomena of more than
>>      five tenths coverage prevails;
>>    * At any altitude where the horizontal visibility is less than five
>>      miles;
>>    * Into any cloud;
>>    * Between sunset and sunrise without prior authorization from the FAA;
>>    * Within 8 kilometers (5 statute miles) of any airport boundary
>>      without prior authorization from the FAA;
>>    * In controlled airspace without prior authorization from the FAA;
>>    * Unless you observe the greater of the following separation
>>      distances from any person or property that is not associated with
>>      the operations applies:
>>      i. Not less than one quarter the maximum expected altitude;
>>      ii. 457 meters (1,500 ft.);
>>    * Unless a person at least eighteen years old is present, is charged
>>      with ensuring the safety of the operation, and has final approval
>>      authority for initiating high power rocket flight; and
>>    * Unless reasonable precautions are provided to report and control a
>>      fire caused by rocket activities.
>>
>> To assist their members with FAA waivers, the National Association of
>> Rocketry has prepared a page on their website to assist with waiver
>> application filings. You can read more about this at:
>> http://www.nar.org/cabinet/waiverinst.html.
>>
>> Two other classes also become effective: a Class 3 Advanced High Power
>> rocket class, which includes any amatuer rocket that exceeds 40,960 N-s
>> of total impulse, and a Class 4 Other category which includes any
>> unmanned rocket that is not an amateur rocket. The new Class 3 is the
>> most controversial new classification for hobby enthusiasts, in that all
>> Class 3 flights have to apply for their own FAA waivers individually,
>> making it much more difficult for participants of these larger amateur
>> rockets to get past the regulatory red tape.
>>
>>
>>
>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>     
>>> Correction:
>>>
>>> The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
>>> remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
>>> administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
>>> previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
>>> forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
>>> and the administration decides not to quash the change.
>>>
>>> Sigh of discontent...
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
>>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>> Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
>>> or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
>>> lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
>>> 3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.
>>>
>>> Who else is planning to come out to the launch?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
>>> all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
>>> make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Pete
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>>> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
>>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>>>>
>>>> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are
>>>> planning to attend from your group?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
>>> Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>>>
>>>       
>>>>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> it carbonate between now and then.
>>>
>>>       
>>>>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
>>> good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
>>> flight or two.
>>>
>>>       
>>>>> Peter Schurke
>>>>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>>>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>>>> Ingraham High School
>>>>> Seattle, WA
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>>>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>>>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It could be a long name like...
>>>>>
>>>>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my
>>>>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>       
>>>>> Leap launch.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>       
>>>>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that
>>>>> might be present.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about
>>>>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>       
>>>>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>       
>>>>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>       
>>>>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
>>>>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE
>>>>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but
>>>>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few
>>>>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> interfered.
>>>
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> scheduled?
>>>
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the
>>>>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out
>>>>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids
>>>>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models
>>>>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP
>>>>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later
>>>>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> spectators.
>>>
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
>>>>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches.
>>>>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that
>>>>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had
>>>>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field
>>>>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F.
>>>>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>> - Dave
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>>>>>>>>>>                     
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>>>>>>>>>                   
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Fri Mar 13 14:16:55 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:16:55 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
In-Reply-To: <49BAA422.1070302@earthlink.net>
References: <6bc920e40902211536u7a9bc5a0sac3fb3fcc4fef07e@mail.gmail.com><324976.70111.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><49A57F91.2060200@earthlink.net><BLU145-W230F5C1C7F018DDAE683ABDCAC0@phx.gbl><6bc920e40902251015r7250f46fn87c401b0bdc9d420@mail.gmail.com><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1FA2D90A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>	<789745.14076.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<2CB8397B5B264614AF737FFAF20526D6@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>	<49AB7E44.9050702@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A0D@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B0B8AF.7040100@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A10@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B14A7B.5090600@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D944@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><49B1559E.8070108@earthlink.net><007b01c99eb9$3fe6d2c0$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert><49B99217.5060302@earthlink.net><33EA0BF53F1F4983831CC9E8F02597EE@downstair>
	<49BAA422.1070302@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <EF40CE5BA81D49B6A5BF909B69153145@Mobile2>

 Evidently there is some very good news out of the hearing today and there
will be an announcement later. That is all the news at the moment.


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 


From raystoner99 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 13 14:26:03 2009
From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (raystoner99 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:26:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
In-Reply-To: <EF40CE5BA81D49B6A5BF909B69153145@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <1891718107.252651236979563038.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

TEASE!!!!!!!!! 

Ray 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com> 
To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com> 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:16:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing 

Evidently there is some very good news out of the hearing today and there 
will be an announcement later. That is all the news at the moment. 


Scott T. Bowers 
www.scottsrockets.com 


_______________________________________________ 
Rockets mailing list 
Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 

-------------- next part --------------
TEASE!!!!!!!!!
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:16:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
?Evidently there is some very good news out of the hearing today and there
will be an announcement later. That is all the news at the moment.
Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
?
_______________________________________________
Rockets mailing list
Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
??

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Fri Mar 13 14:30:16 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:30:16 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
In-Reply-To: <1891718107.252651236979563038.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <EF40CE5BA81D49B6A5BF909B69153145@Mobile2>
	<1891718107.252651236979563038.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <654C4B47901046D889E0042B3004EA61@Mobile2>

No kidding, that was all anyone will spill at the moment. I called two BOD
guys, they don't know yet either. Have to wait for Ken and Trip to release a
statement.


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of raystoner99 at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:26 PM
Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing

TEASE!!!!!!!!! 

Ray 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:16:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing 

Evidently there is some very good news out of the hearing today and there
will be an announcement later. That is all the news at the moment. 


Scott T. Bowers 
www.scottsrockets.com 


_______________________________________________ 
Rockets mailing list 
Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 



From winningstad at comcast.net  Fri Mar 13 14:37:42 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:37:42 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
In-Reply-To: <654C4B47901046D889E0042B3004EA61@Mobile2>
References: <EF40CE5BA81D49B6A5BF909B69153145@Mobile2><1891718107.252651236979563038.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<654C4B47901046D889E0042B3004EA61@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <82C54F2CE7344C41856459E12CE24EC2@downstair>

Ya, Scott...just try crawling outa THAT hole...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.
-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:30 PM
To: raystoner99 at comcast.net
Cc: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing

No kidding, that was all anyone will spill at the moment. I called two BOD
guys, they don't know yet either. Have to wait for Ken and Trip to release a
statement.


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of raystoner99 at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:26 PM
Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing

TEASE!!!!!!!!! 

Ray 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:16:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing 

Evidently there is some very good news out of the hearing today and there
will be an announcement later. That is all the news at the moment. 


Scott T. Bowers 
www.scottsrockets.com 


_______________________________________________ 
Rockets mailing list 
Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 


_______________________________________________
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Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  


From scott at scottsrockets.com  Fri Mar 13 14:44:37 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:44:37 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
In-Reply-To: <82C54F2CE7344C41856459E12CE24EC2@downstair>
References: <EF40CE5BA81D49B6A5BF909B69153145@Mobile2><1891718107.252651236979563038.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<654C4B47901046D889E0042B3004EA61@Mobile2>
	<82C54F2CE7344C41856459E12CE24EC2@downstair>
Message-ID: <06AF4224CFCA4EF18F98E5A629797F53@Mobile2>

I wish I was that in the loop, but alas, no. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Winningstad [mailto:winningstad at comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:38 PM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'; raystoner99 at comcast.net
Cc: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing

Ya, Scott...just try crawling outa THAT hole...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.
-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:30 PM
To: raystoner99 at comcast.net
Cc: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing

No kidding, that was all anyone will spill at the moment. I called two BOD
guys, they don't know yet either. Have to wait for Ken and Trip to release a
statement.


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of raystoner99 at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:26 PM
Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing

TEASE!!!!!!!!! 

Ray 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:16:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing 

Evidently there is some very good news out of the hearing today and there
will be an announcement later. That is all the news at the moment. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com 


_______________________________________________ 
Rockets mailing list 
Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 


_______________________________________________
Rockets mailing list
Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  



From bigredbee at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 15:01:14 2009
From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:01:14 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
In-Reply-To: <06AF4224CFCA4EF18F98E5A629797F53@Mobile2>
References: <EF40CE5BA81D49B6A5BF909B69153145@Mobile2>
	<1891718107.252651236979563038.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<654C4B47901046D889E0042B3004EA61@Mobile2>
	<82C54F2CE7344C41856459E12CE24EC2@downstair>
	<06AF4224CFCA4EF18F98E5A629797F53@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <bf3fe8020903131501y7a6efae3i310808324e5ef64@mail.gmail.com>

tick .....

tock.....

tick....

tock.....
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Scott T Bowers <scott at scottsrockets.com>wrote:

> I wish I was that in the loop, but alas, no.
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Winningstad [mailto:winningstad at comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:38 PM
> To: 'Scott T Bowers'; raystoner99 at comcast.net
> Cc: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
>  Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
>
> Ya, Scott...just try crawling outa THAT hole...
>
> Dennis S Winningstad
> 503-781-3529
>
> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:30 PM
> To: raystoner99 at comcast.net
> Cc: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
>
> No kidding, that was all anyone will spill at the moment. I called two BOD
> guys, they don't know yet either. Have to wait for Ken and Trip to release
> a
> statement.
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of raystoner99 at comcast.net
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:26 PM
> Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
>
> TEASE!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ray
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:16:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
>
> Evidently there is some very good news out of the hearing today and there
> will be an announcement later. That is all the news at the moment.
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>
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tick .....
?
tock.....
?
tick....
?
tock.....
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Scott T Bowers
< mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com scott at scottsrockets.com
>
wrote:
I wish I was that in the loop, but alas, no.
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Winningstad [mailto: mailto:winningstad at comcast.net winningstad at comcast.net
]
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:38 PM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'; mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net raystoner99 at comcast.net
Cc: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
Ya, Scott...just try crawling outa THAT hole...
Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
It is bad luck to be superstitious.
-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:30 PM
To: mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net raystoner99 at comcast.net
Cc: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
No kidding, that was all anyone will spill at the moment. I called two BOD
guys, they don't know yet either. Have to wait for Ken and Trip to release a
statement.
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
]
On Behalf Of mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net raystoner99 at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:26 PM
Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
TEASE!!!!!!!!!
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott T Bowers" < mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com scott at scottsrockets.com
>
To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:16:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
Evidently there is some very good news out of the hearing today and there
will be an announcement later. That is all the news at the moment.
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
_______________________________________________
Rockets mailing list
mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
_______________________________________________
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mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Fri Mar 13 19:09:32 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:09:32 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [TRA] Joint Statement
Message-ID: <0B8DF76870F54EB1BC1081BC737058CF@Mobile2>

 Here ya go!


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Good [mailto:ken.good at tripoli.org] 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:59 PM
To: TRA List
Subject: [TRA] Joint Statement

Howdy Folks:

Just got back from DC.  It's good news at last.  

Ken Good

****************
Joint Statement on the Litigation with the BATFE March 13, 2009

Today Judge Reggie Walton, presiding in our case before the US District
Court, heard arguments from both legal counsel for NAR/TRA and the BATFE.
At the conclusion of the hearing, Judge Walton stated that he was inclined
to agree with our position.  While this is extremely encouraging, there will
be no formal written ruling until April, and BATFE may attempt to file
additional information before that date.  We expect that this ruling will
provide some form of relief from the current regulatory situation.

We thank our members for their continued patience and their generous
financial support.  We will provide members with immediate status reports as
this case reaches its conclusion.

Ken Good
TRA President

Trip Barber
NAR President


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From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Fri Mar 13 19:09:43 2009
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:09:43 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
In-Reply-To: <bf3fe8020903131501y7a6efae3i310808324e5ef64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EF40CE5BA81D49B6A5BF909B69153145@Mobile2>	<1891718107.252651236979563038.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>	<654C4B47901046D889E0042B3004EA61@Mobile2>	<82C54F2CE7344C41856459E12CE24EC2@downstair>	<06AF4224CFCA4EF18F98E5A629797F53@Mobile2>
	<bf3fe8020903131501y7a6efae3i310808324e5ef64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49BB11E7.3070508@hawkfeather.com>

http://www.rocketryplanet.com/content/view/2785/30/

Joint statement on the litigation with the BATFE
Rocketry Planet Newsdesk\
News Release by TRA/NAR Joint Task Force
Friday, March 13, 2009

Today Judge Reggie Walton, presiding in our case before the US District 
Court, heard arguments from both legal counsel for NAR/TRA and the 
BATFE.  At the conclusion of the hearing, Judge Walton stated that he 
was inclined to agree with our position.  While this is extremely 
encouraging, there will be no formal written ruling until April, and 
BATFE may attempt to file additional information before that date.  We 
expect that this ruling will provide some form of relief from the 
current regulatory situation.

We thank our members for their continued patience and their generous 
financial support.  We will provide members with immediate status 
reports as this case reaches its conclusion.

Ken Good
TRA President

Trip Barber
NAR President

Greg Clark wrote:
> tick .....
>  
> tock.....
>  
> tick....
>  
> tock.....
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Scott T Bowers
> < mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com scott at scottsrockets.com
> wrote:
> I wish I was that in the loop, but alas, no.
> Scott T. Bowers
> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Winningstad [mailto: mailto:winningstad at comcast.net winningstad at comcast.net
> ]
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:38 PM
> To: 'Scott T Bowers'; mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net raystoner99 at comcast.net
> Cc: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
> Ya, Scott...just try crawling outa THAT hole...
> Dennis S Winningstad
> 503-781-3529
> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> ]
> On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:30 PM
> To: mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net raystoner99 at comcast.net
> Cc: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
> No kidding, that was all anyone will spill at the moment. I called two BOD
> guys, they don't know yet either. Have to wait for Ken and Trip to release a
> statement.
> Scott T. Bowers
> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> ]
> On Behalf Of mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net raystoner99 at comcast.net
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:26 PM
> Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
> TEASE!!!!!!!!!
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott T Bowers" < mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com scott at scottsrockets.com
> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:16:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
> Evidently there is some very good news out of the hearing today and there
> will be an announcement later. That is all the news at the moment.
> Scott T. Bowers
> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>   

From raystoner99 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 13 19:11:08 2009
From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:11:08 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing
In-Reply-To: <EF40CE5BA81D49B6A5BF909B69153145@Mobile2>
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>From the Tripoli Website 

***********************************
March 13, 2009
Joint Statement on BATF Litigation

Joint Statement on the Litigation with the BATFE
March 13, 2009

Today Judge Reggie Walton, presiding in our case before the US District
Court, heard arguments from both legal counsel for NAR/TRA and the BATFE. At
the conclusion of the hearing, Judge Walton stated that he was inclined to
agree with our position. While this is extremely encouraging, there will be
no formal written ruling until April, and BATFE may attempt to file
additional information before that date. We expect that this ruling will
provide some form of relief from the current regulatory situation.

We thank our members for their continued patience and their generous
financial support. We will provide members with immediate status reports as
this case reaches its conclusion.

Ken Good
TRA President

Trip Barber
NAR President
**************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:17 PM
To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: [RocketsNW] ATF Hearing

 Evidently there is some very good news out of the hearing today and there
will be an announcement later. That is all the news at the moment.


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

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From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Fri Mar 13 19:46:34 2009
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:46:34 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Joint Statement
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Scott: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:09:32
Andrew: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:09:43
Ray: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:11:08

A tad slow today Ray?

Andrew.

From appusher at q.com  Fri Mar 13 19:51:54 2009
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:51:54 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Joint Statement
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economic slow down....less coffe and cigarettes, so he is talking(typing) slower.









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> 
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> Scott: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:09:32
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From terry at mooreread.com  Fri Mar 13 19:36:04 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:36:04 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Lawsuit update
Message-ID: <5ABEB33A-2D83-47AD-A4CA-198DC80B50AE@mooreread.com>

http://www.nar.org/2009/03/joint_statement_on_the_litigat.php


Today Judge Reggie Walton, presiding in our case before the US  
District Court, heard arguments from both legal counsel for NAR/TRA  
and the BATFE. At the conclusion of the hearing, Judge Walton stated  
that he was inclined to agree with our position. While this is  
extremely encouraging, there will be no formal written ruling until  
April, and BATFE may attempt to file additional information before  
that date. We expect that this ruling will provide some form of relief  
from the current regulatory situation. We thank our members for their  
continued patience and their generous financial support. We will  
provide members with immediate status reports as this case reaches its  
conclusion.


Ken Good
TRA President

Trip Barber
NAR President



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http://www.nar.org/2009/03/joint_statement_on_the_litigat.php http://www.nar.org/2009/03/joint_statement_on_the_litigat.php
Today Judge Reggie Walton, presiding in our case before the US District Court, heard arguments from both legal counsel for NAR/TRA and the BATFE. At the conclusion of the hearing, Judge Walton stated that he was inclined to agree with our position. While this is extremely encouraging, there will be no formal written ruling until April, and BATFE may attempt to file additional information before that date. We expect that this ruling will provide some form of relief from the current regulatory situation. We thank our members for their continued patience and their generous financial support. We will provide members with immediate status reports as this case reaches its conclusion.
Ken Good
TRA President?
Trip Barber
NAR President

From terry at mooreread.com  Fri Mar 13 20:06:26 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:06:26 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Lawsuit update
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Man, am I late to the party !  - I swear i didn't have all the other  
messages on this subject when i posted it :-)


On Mar 13, 2009, at 7:36 PM, Terry Moore-Read wrote:

> http://www.nar.org/2009/03/joint_statement_on_the_litigat.php http://www.nar.org/2009/03/joint_statement_on_the_litigat.php
> Today Judge Reggie Walton, presiding in our case before the US  
> District Court, heard arguments from both legal counsel for NAR/TRA  
> and the BATFE. At the conclusion of the hearing, Judge Walton stated  
> that he was inclined to agree with our position. While this is  
> extremely encouraging, there will be no formal written ruling until  
> April, and BATFE may attempt to file additional information before  
> that date. We expect that this ruling will provide some form of  
> relief from the current regulatory situation. We thank our members  
> for their continued patience and their generous financial support.  
> We will provide members with immediate status reports as this case  
> reaches its conclusion.
> Ken Good
> TRA President
> Trip Barber
> NAR President
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Sun Mar 15 02:55:34 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 02:55:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Joint Statement
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	<49BB1A8A.2030900@hawkfeather.com>
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> Scott: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:09:32
> Andrew: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:09:43
> Ray: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:11:08
>
> A tad slow today Ray?
>
> Andrew.

Message rec'd and read here 02:47 am Mar 15 2009

Hey, light only travels just so fast....I live waaaaay out in the sticks. 
;-)

+McG+



From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 15 07:55:42 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:55:42 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
Message-ID: <49BD16EE.8070400@earthlink.net>

Well, it's snowing and raining where I am and doesn't show any sign of 
clearing up any time soon.

Let's reschedule for next Sunday.

Robert

From appusher at q.com  Sun Mar 15 08:00:46 2009
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:00:46 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
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Today would be a good day to answer the never ending question of "What's the speed of Snow?"

 

2" of snow and growing in Port Orchard.

 

Going for the E motor today.

 

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> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> 
> Well, it's snowing and raining where I am and doesn't show any sign of 
> clearing up any time soon.
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?
2" of snow and growing in Port Orchard.
?
Going for the E motor today.
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>
> Well, it's snowing and raining where I am and doesn't show any sign of
> clearing up any time soon.
>
> Let's reschedule for next Sunday.
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 15 08:05:00 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:05:00 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
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What's yer cloud ceiling out there, Bill?  Over at my place it's only 
about 1400' AGL.  Should be a bye-bye birdie flight on that E.

I remember launching my Astrocam on the Delta 2 flight vehicle with a D 
motor into a low cloud ceiling as a test flight and having the clouds 
eat it.

Robert

Bill Munds wrote:
> Today would be a good day to answer the never ending question of 
> "What's the speed of Snow?"
>  
> 2" of snow and growing in Port Orchard.
>  
> Going for the E motor today.
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> >
> > Well, it's snowing and raining where I am and doesn't show any sign of
> > clearing up any time soon.
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From mrrominwa at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 15 08:30:57 2009
From: mrrominwa at yahoo.com (dave woodard)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:30:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
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we should launch today "return of the ice age:

--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:05 AM

What's yer cloud ceiling out there, Bill?  Over at my place it's only 
about 1400' AGL.  Should be a bye-bye birdie flight on that E.

I remember launching my Astrocam on the Delta 2 flight vehicle with a D 
motor into a low cloud ceiling as a test flight and having the clouds 
eat it.

Robert

Bill Munds wrote:
> Today would be a good day to answer the never ending question of 
> "What's the speed of Snow?"
>  
> 2" of snow and growing in Port Orchard.
>  
> Going for the E motor today.
>  
> Bill
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> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> >
> > Well, it's snowing and raining where I am and doesn't show
any sign of
> > clearing up any time soon.
> >
> > Let's reschedule for next Sunday.
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From: Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:05 AM
What's yer cloud ceiling out there, Bill? Over at my place it's only about 1400' AGL. Should be a bye-bye birdie flight on that E. I remember launching my Astrocam on the Delta 2 flight vehicle with a D motor into a low cloud ceiling as a test flight and having the clouds eat it. Robert Bill Munds wrote: > Today would be a good day to answer the never ending question of > "What's the speed of Snow?" > > 2" of snow and growing in Port Orchard. > > Going for the E motor today. > > Bill > > > > > > > i'm EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > Join me > <http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood> > > > > > > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:55:42 -0700 > > From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch > > > > Well, it's snowing and raining where I am and doesn't show any sign of > > clearing up any time soon. > > > > Let's reschedule for next Sunday. > > > > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets

From appusher at q.com  Sun Mar 15 08:50:04 2009
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:50:04 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
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Cloud ceiling is about 1500' but have yet to test that.

The Mean Machine hits about 800' to 900' on an E motor.

The last Sputnik flight hit about 500' on a C motor.  It held together till the ejection charge disintigrated it at apogee.

Going for over a 1000' on the E.

I'm going to try to get some video on it.

 

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> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:05:00 -0700
> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> 
> What's yer cloud ceiling out there, Bill? Over at my place it's only 
> about 1400' AGL. Should be a bye-bye birdie flight on that E.
> 
> I remember launching my Astrocam on the Delta 2 flight vehicle with a D 
> motor into a low cloud ceiling as a test flight and having the clouds 
> eat it.
> 
> Robert
> 
> Bill Munds wrote:
> > Today would be a good day to answer the never ending question of 
> > "What's the speed of Snow?"
> > 
> > 2" of snow and growing in Port Orchard.
> > 
> > Going for the E motor today.
> > 
> > Bill
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> > > Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> > >
> > > Well, it's snowing and raining where I am and doesn't show any sign of
> > > clearing up any time soon.
> > >
> > > Let's reschedule for next Sunday.
> > >
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Cloud ceiling is about 1500' but have yet to test that.
The Mean Machine hits about 800' to 900' on an E motor.
The last Sputnik flight hit about 500' on a C motor.? It held together till the ejection charge disintigrated it at apogee.
Going for over a 1000' on the E.
I'm going to try to get some video on it.
?
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> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:05:00 -0700
> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
>
> What's yer cloud ceiling out there, Bill? Over at my place it's only
> about 1400' AGL. Should be a bye-bye birdie flight on that E.
>
> I remember launching my Astrocam on the Delta 2 flight vehicle with a D
> motor into a low cloud ceiling as a test flight and having the clouds
> eat it.
>
> Robert
>
> Bill Munds wrote:
> > Today would be a good day to answer the never ending question of
> > "What's the speed of Snow?"
> >
> > 2" of snow and growing in Port Orchard.
> >
> > Going for the E motor today.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > > From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > > Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> > >
> > > Well, it's snowing and raining where I am and doesn't show any sign of
> > > clearing up any time soon.
> > >
> > > Let's reschedule for next Sunday.
> > >
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From appusher at q.com  Sun Mar 15 08:51:15 2009
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:51:15 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
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'specially with all the global warming issues.....


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> 
> we should launch today "return of the ice age:
> 
> --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> From: Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:05 AM
> 
> What's yer cloud ceiling out there, Bill? Over at my place it's only 
> about 1400' AGL. Should be a bye-bye birdie flight on that E.
> 
> I remember launching my Astrocam on the Delta 2 flight vehicle with a D 
> motor into a low cloud ceiling as a test flight and having the clouds 
> eat it.
> 
> Robert
> 
> Bill Munds wrote:
> > Today would be a good day to answer the never ending question of 
> > "What's the speed of Snow?"
> > 
> > 2" of snow and growing in Port Orchard.
> > 
> > Going for the E motor today.
> > 
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > i'm EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> > Join me 
> > <http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood>
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:55:42 -0700
> > > From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > > Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> > >
> > > Well, it's snowing and raining where I am and doesn't show
> any sign of
> > > clearing up any time soon.
> > >
> > > Let's reschedule for next Sunday.
> > >
> > > Robert
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rockets mailing list
> > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> > >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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'specially with all the global warming issues.....
Hmmmmm......
http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
Join me
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> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:30:57 -0700
> From: mrrominwa at yahoo.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
>
> we should launch today "return of the ice age:
>
> --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> From: Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:05 AM
>
> What's yer cloud ceiling out there, Bill? Over at my place it's only
> about 1400' AGL. Should be a bye-bye birdie flight on that E.
>
> I remember launching my Astrocam on the Delta 2 flight vehicle with a D
> motor into a low cloud ceiling as a test flight and having the clouds
> eat it.
>
> Robert
>
> Bill Munds wrote:
> > Today would be a good day to answer the never ending question of
> > "What's the speed of Snow?"
> >
> > 2" of snow and growing in Port Orchard.
> >
> > Going for the E motor today.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > i'm EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> > Join me
> > <http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:55:42 -0700
> > > From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > > Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> > >
> > > Well, it's snowing and raining where I am and doesn't show
> any sign of
> > > clearing up any time soon.
> > >
> > > Let's reschedule for next Sunday.
> > >
> > > Robert
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rockets mailing list
> > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> > >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>
>
>
>

From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Sun Mar 15 09:00:38 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:00:38 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
References: <49BD191C.5090303@earthlink.net><621574.251.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<BLU145-W207E1FAFDF134B2820BC89DC9A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A20@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

"Climate change", people....the official name is "climate change".  
 
If people keep referring to it as "global warming" the talking-head-with-no-brain crowd will never stop mocking the seemingly inconguous, but totally predictable, effect of localized cooling within an overall warming trend.
 
Reminds me of some beaureaucrats higher up at the BATFE who seem to think that non-detonable mixtures are "explosives"...but that's another rant.
 
Pete

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Bill Munds
Sent: Sun 3/15/2009 8:51 AM
To: Dave @ Home; rockets at rocketsnw.com; Robert Nech
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch




'specially with all the global warming issues.....


Hmmmmm......






 EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
Join me

> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:30:57 -0700
> From: mrrominwa at yahoo.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
>
> we should launch today "return of the ice age:
>
> --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> From: Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:05 AM
>
> What's yer cloud ceiling out there, Bill? Over at my place it's only
> about 1400' AGL. Should be a bye-bye birdie flight on that E.
>
> I remember launching my Astrocam on the Delta 2 flight vehicle with a D
> motor into a low cloud ceiling as a test flight and having the clouds
> eat it.
>
> Robert
>
> Bill Munds wrote:
> > Today would be a good day to answer the never ending question of
> > "What's the speed of Snow?"
> >
> > 2" of snow and growing in Port Orchard.
> >
> > Going for the E motor today.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > i'm EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> > Join me
> > <http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:55:42 -0700
> > > From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > > Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> > >
> > > Well, it's snowing and raining where I am and doesn't show
> any sign of
> > > clearing up any time soon.
> > >
> > > Let's reschedule for next Sunday.
> > >
> > > Robert
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rockets mailing list
> > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> > >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>
>
>
>



From winningstad at comcast.net  Sun Mar 15 09:23:46 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:23:46 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A20@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <49BD191C.5090303@earthlink.net><621574.251.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com><BLU145-W207E1FAFDF134B2820BC89DC9A0@phx.gbl>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A20@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
Message-ID: <81B4F82A5F6D4EC2A917A8441D5C2ABD@downstair>

YES!  Global cooling (circa 1975) morphed into Global Warming and now the
phrase de jour is Climate Change...ya, like humans can control climate
change...lets send a probe to control the sun and lets harmonize the earth's
orbit...maybe keep the moon from receding?  Tax and power grab...plain and
simple...oh YA...ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 9:01 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch

"Climate change", people....the official name is "climate change".  
 
If people keep referring to it as "global warming" the
talking-head-with-no-brain crowd will never stop mocking the seemingly
inconguous, but totally predictable, effect of localized cooling within an
overall warming trend.
 
Reminds me of some beaureaucrats higher up at the BATFE who seem to think
that non-detonable mixtures are "explosives"...but that's another rant.
 
Pete

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Bill Munds
Sent: Sun 3/15/2009 8:51 AM
To: Dave @ Home; rockets at rocketsnw.com; Robert Nech
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch




'specially with all the global warming issues.....


Hmmmmm......






 EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
Join me

> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:30:57 -0700
> From: mrrominwa at yahoo.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
>
> we should launch today "return of the ice age:
>
> --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> From: Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:05 AM
>
> What's yer cloud ceiling out there, Bill? Over at my place it's only
> about 1400' AGL. Should be a bye-bye birdie flight on that E.
>
> I remember launching my Astrocam on the Delta 2 flight vehicle with a D
> motor into a low cloud ceiling as a test flight and having the clouds
> eat it.
>
> Robert
>
> Bill Munds wrote:
> > Today would be a good day to answer the never ending question of
> > "What's the speed of Snow?"
> >
> > 2" of snow and growing in Port Orchard.
> >
> > Going for the E motor today.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > i'm EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> > Join me
> > <http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:55:42 -0700
> > > From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > > Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> > >
> > > Well, it's snowing and raining where I am and doesn't show
> any sign of
> > > clearing up any time soon.
> > >
> > > Let's reschedule for next Sunday.
> > >
> > > Robert
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rockets mailing list
> > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> > >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>
>
>
>


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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 15 09:54:54 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:54:54 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
In-Reply-To: <BLU145-W207E1FAFDF134B2820BC89DC9A0@phx.gbl>
References: <49BD191C.5090303@earthlink.net>
	<621574.251.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<BLU145-W207E1FAFDF134B2820BC89DC9A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49BD32DE.3050003@earthlink.net>

Not be a global warming denier (lol!) or anything...
I think Al Gore's and Jim Hansen's reality check on AGW/Climate Change 
has bounced. 
(see the winter weather advisory below)
Didn't you know that the phrase de jour is now Climate Chaos?  The 
previous two are soooo 2008.

Not to worry though, global cooling is caused by the warming.  Even the 
Little Ice Age was caused by it.

Warm globally, cool locally.

I bet if it could get the warming to cool us off enough again to freeze 
Lake Washington, like the Little Ice Age did to the Thames River and the 
Delaware River in the 18th century, we could launch rockets on it!  Ice 
rocketry will be the next big thing in the hobby.  We might be able to 
combine ice fishing and ice rocketry into a new hobby.  Set up the 
launch pad and rocket, drill a hole next to it, set your fishing line in 
the water, connect the fishing line to the rocket, and when the fish 
bites the rocket takes off and pulls the fish out of the water.  Rocket 
Fishing anyone?

Jeff Dunham and Bubba J. wish you the best for the holiday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdXrK4TiLDo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEyhPnusx4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sl4o2Szcxs

Leprechaun's Leap has now been postponed until 22MAR09 at 10:00 in the 
AM.  I'm sure the leprechaun is freezing his tuchus off somewhere nearby.

Robert


http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/508.html#WIN

Winter Weather Advisory

Statement as of 8:48 AM PDT on March 15, 2009

... Winter Weather Advisory in effect until noon PDT today...

The National Weather Service in Seattle has issued a Winter
Weather Advisory for snow... which is in effect until noon PDT today.

Light to moderate snow will continue across the interior lowlands this
morning. Snowfall amounts will range from 1 to 3 inches... with
lesser amounts... a trace to 1 inch... right along Puget Sound. Snow will
change over to rain this afternoon.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

A Winter Weather Advisory for snow means that periods of snow
will cause primarily travel difficulties. Be prepared for snow
covered roads and limited visibilities... and use caution while
driving.


Bill Munds wrote:
> 'specially with all the global warming issues.....
>
>
> Hmmmmm......
>
>
> i'm EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> Join me 
> <http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood>
>
>
>  
> > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:30:57 -0700
> > From: mrrominwa at yahoo.com
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> >
> > we should launch today "return of the ice age:
> >
> > --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > From: Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> > To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> > Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:05 AM
> >
> > What's yer cloud ceiling out there, Bill? Over at my place it's only
> > about 1400' AGL. Should be a bye-bye birdie flight on that E.
> >
> > I remember launching my Astrocam on the Delta 2 flight vehicle with a D
> > motor into a low cloud ceiling as a test flight and having the clouds
> > eat it.
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > Bill Munds wrote:
> > > Today would be a good day to answer the never ending question of
> > > "What's the speed of Snow?"
> > >
> > > 2" of snow and growing in Port Orchard.
> > >
> > > Going for the E motor today.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > i'm EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> > > Join me
> > > <http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:55:42 -0700
> > > > From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> > > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > > > Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Launch
> > > >
> > > > Well, it's snowing and raining where I am and doesn't show
> > any sign of
> > > > clearing up any time soon.
> > > >
> > > > Let's reschedule for next Sunday.
> > > >
> > > > Robert
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Rockets mailing list
> > > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> > > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rockets mailing list
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >


From matjamison at aol.com  Sun Mar 15 19:17:39 2009
From: matjamison at aol.com (matjamison at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:17:39 -0400
Subject: [RocketsNW] Prototype Paint Schemes?
Message-ID: <8CB73F483EC33CD-E9C-56B7@webmail-mh35.sysops.aol.com>


Hello,
I???m looking for info on rocket paint schemes such as ???roll bars??? and the black and white checkering 
or stripes you see on historic rockets (and even modern prototype munitions). Anyone have any links 
or could provide some background or theory on dimensioning? Thanks.

??

Matt
-------------- next part --------------
Hello,
I???m looking for info on rocket paint schemes such as ???roll bars??? and the black and white checkering
or stripes you see on historic rockets (and even modern prototype munitions). Anyone have any links
or could provide some background or theory on dimensioning?
Thanks.
?
Matt
A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62 See yours in just 2 easy steps!

From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 15 19:41:07 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:41:07 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ares 1 igniter test
Message-ID: <49BDBC43.5080600@earthlink.net>

NASA's Ares I Rocket First Stage Igniter Tested
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NASA_Ares_I_Rocket_First_Stage_Igniter_Tested_999.html

The test, conducted at ATK Launch Systems test facilities near 
Promontory, Utah, generated a flame almost 200 feet in length.

The Ares I igniter is an enhanced version of the flight-proven igniter 
used in the space shuttle's solid rocket boosters. The igniter takes 
advantage of upgraded liner and insulation materials that have improved 
thermal properties which protect the igniter's case from the burning 
solid propellant.

The new igniter is approximately 18 inches in diameter and 36 inches 
long. It is a small, high-burn-rate solid rocket motor that is secured 
in the forward segment of a five-segment booster.

(wonder what the high power rocket motor size equivalent would be?)

Pic of igniter test.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/multimedia/igniter.html

Ares-I First Stage Igniter Tested (in High Def!) video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QWzFEek3A&NR=1
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/ares/igniter_test.html

Side note.
Ares 1 Ullage Motor Test video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QWzFEek3A&NR=1

A Look Inside NASA's Orion Spacecraft Mock-Up video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlzytubpMiE

 From the early space race days of yore...
Video of an unmanned Mercury Redstone (MR-1A) launch December 1960.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swICiONTsMI

From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 15 20:07:20 2009
From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:07:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Prototype Paint Schemes?
In-Reply-To: <8CB73F483EC33CD-E9C-56B7@webmail-mh35.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CB73F483EC33CD-E9C-56B7@webmail-mh35.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <803551.70741.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Try here,

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/index.html

John Hornsby




________________________________
From: "matjamison at aol.com" <matjamison at aol.com>
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:17:39 PM
Subject: [RocketsNW] Prototype Paint Schemes?

Hello,
I????????m looking for info on rocket paint schemes such as ???????roll bars???????? and the black and white checkering
or stripes you see on historic rockets (and even modern prototype munitions). Anyone have any links
or could provide some background or theory on dimensioning?
Thanks.
??
Matt
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-------------- next part --------------
Try here,
?
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/index.html http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/index.html
?
John Hornsby
From:
"matjamison at aol.com" <matjamison at aol.com>
To:
rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent:
Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:17:39 PM
Subject:
[RocketsNW] Prototype Paint Schemes?
Hello,
I????????m looking for info on rocket paint schemes such as ???????roll bars???????? and the black and white checkering
or stripes you see on historic rockets (and even modern prototype munitions). Anyone have any links
or could provide some background or theory on dimensioning?
Thanks.
?
Matt
A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62 See yours in just 2 easy steps!

From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 15 20:16:53 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:16:53 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ares I igniter test  ***UPDATED*****
Message-ID: <49BDC4A5.2060805@earthlink.net>

NASA's Ares I Rocket First Stage Igniter Tested
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NASA_Ares_I_Rocket_First_Stage_Igniter_Tested_999.html 


The test, conducted at ATK Launch Systems test facilities near 
Promontory, Utah, generated a flame almost 200 feet in length.

The Ares I igniter is an enhanced version of the flight-proven igniter 
used in the space shuttle's solid rocket boosters. The igniter takes 
advantage of upgraded liner and insulation materials that have improved 
thermal properties which protect the igniter's case from the burning 
solid propellant.

The new igniter is approximately 18 inches in diameter and 36 inches 
long. It is a small, high-burn-rate solid rocket motor that is secured 
in the forward segment of a five-segment booster.

(wonder what the high power rocket motor size equivalent would be?)

Pic of igniter test.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/multimedia/igniter.html

Ares-I First Stage Igniter Tested (in High Def!) video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QWzFEek3A&NR=1
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/ares/igniter_test.html

Side note.
Ares 1 Ullage Motor Test video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QWzFEek3A&NR=1

A Look Inside NASA's Orion Spacecraft Mock-Up video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlzytubpMiE

J-2X Ignition Sets Stage For Ares I Hot-Fires
http://tinyurl.com/cabsb2
J2-X video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6Rv35v558

Orion Launch Abort System Jettison Motor Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwsNoR3xSVQ&feature=related

Orion Launch Abort System Jettison Motor Test Full Scale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQMYBWW_6Rg&feature=related

 From the early space race days of yore...
Video of an unmanned Mercury Redstone (MR-1A) launch December 1960.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swICiONTsMI

From foreveryoung at inlandnet.com  Sun Mar 15 21:16:45 2009
From: foreveryoung at inlandnet.com (Bryan Young)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:16:45 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ares 1 igniter test
In-Reply-To: <49BDBC43.5080600@earthlink.net>
References: <49BDBC43.5080600@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <067801c9a5ee$052c5240$0f84f6c0$@com>

If this igniter is a solid rocket motor, then what is the igniter there
using for the igniter?

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Hammer
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:41 PM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ares 1 igniter test

NASA's Ares I Rocket First Stage Igniter Tested
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NASA_Ares_I_Rocket_First_Stage_Igniter_T
ested_999.html

The test, conducted at ATK Launch Systems test facilities near 
Promontory, Utah, generated a flame almost 200 feet in length.

The Ares I igniter is an enhanced version of the flight-proven igniter 
used in the space shuttle's solid rocket boosters. The igniter takes 
advantage of upgraded liner and insulation materials that have improved 
thermal properties which protect the igniter's case from the burning 
solid propellant.

The new igniter is approximately 18 inches in diameter and 36 inches 
long. It is a small, high-burn-rate solid rocket motor that is secured 
in the forward segment of a five-segment booster.

(wonder what the high power rocket motor size equivalent would be?)

Pic of igniter test.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/multimedia/igniter.html

Ares-I First Stage Igniter Tested (in High Def!) video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QWzFEek3A&NR=1
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/ares/igniter_test.html

Side note.
Ares 1 Ullage Motor Test video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QWzFEek3A&NR=1

A Look Inside NASA's Orion Spacecraft Mock-Up video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlzytubpMiE

 From the early space race days of yore...
Video of an unmanned Mercury Redstone (MR-1A) launch December 1960.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swICiONTsMI
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 15 21:48:23 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:48:23 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ares 1 igniter test
In-Reply-To: <067801c9a5ee$052c5240$0f84f6c0$@com>
References: <49BDBC43.5080600@earthlink.net>
	<067801c9a5ee$052c5240$0f84f6c0$@com>
Message-ID: <49BDDA17.2060307@earthlink.net>

They just call these three people.
http://www.maniacworld.com/dairy-queen-flamethrower.html

Robert

Bryan Young wrote:
> If this igniter is a solid rocket motor, then what is the igniter there
> using for the igniter?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Hammer
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:41 PM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Ares 1 igniter test
>
> NASA's Ares I Rocket First Stage Igniter Tested
> http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NASA_Ares_I_Rocket_First_Stage_Igniter_T
> ested_999.html
>
> The test, conducted at ATK Launch Systems test facilities near 
> Promontory, Utah, generated a flame almost 200 feet in length.
>
> The Ares I igniter is an enhanced version of the flight-proven igniter 
> used in the space shuttle's solid rocket boosters. The igniter takes 
> advantage of upgraded liner and insulation materials that have improved 
> thermal properties which protect the igniter's case from the burning 
> solid propellant.
>
> The new igniter is approximately 18 inches in diameter and 36 inches 
> long. It is a small, high-burn-rate solid rocket motor that is secured 
> in the forward segment of a five-segment booster.
>
> (wonder what the high power rocket motor size equivalent would be?)
>
> Pic of igniter test.
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/multimedia/igniter.html
>
> Ares-I First Stage Igniter Tested (in High Def!) video.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QWzFEek3A&NR=1
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/ares/igniter_test.html
>
> Side note.
> Ares 1 Ullage Motor Test video
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QWzFEek3A&NR=1
>
> A Look Inside NASA's Orion Spacecraft Mock-Up video.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlzytubpMiE
>
>  From the early space race days of yore...
> Video of an unmanned Mercury Redstone (MR-1A) launch December 1960.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swICiONTsMI
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From terry at mooreread.com  Mon Mar 16 09:03:07 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:03:07 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ares 1 igniter test
In-Reply-To: <067801c9a5ee$052c5240$0f84f6c0$@com>
References: <49BDBC43.5080600@earthlink.net>
	<067801c9a5ee$052c5240$0f84f6c0$@com>
Message-ID: <EE3DD811-8914-4E73-87B9-F0C9808E539B@mooreread.com>

There's another smaller rocket motor to ignite that one.      
Eventually you find out there's a J350 with a copperhead that starts  
the whole thing off :-)



On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Bryan Young wrote:

> If this igniter is a solid rocket motor, then what is the igniter  
> there
> using for the igniter?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> ]
> On Behalf Of Hammer
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:41 PM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Ares 1 igniter test
>
> NASA's Ares I Rocket First Stage Igniter Tested
> http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NASA_Ares_I_Rocket_First_Stage_Igniter_T
> ested_999.html
>
> The test, conducted at ATK Launch Systems test facilities near
> Promontory, Utah, generated a flame almost 200 feet in length.
>
> The Ares I igniter is an enhanced version of the flight-proven igniter
> used in the space shuttle's solid rocket boosters. The igniter takes
> advantage of upgraded liner and insulation materials that have  
> improved
> thermal properties which protect the igniter's case from the burning
> solid propellant.
>
> The new igniter is approximately 18 inches in diameter and 36 inches
> long. It is a small, high-burn-rate solid rocket motor that is secured
> in the forward segment of a five-segment booster.
>
> (wonder what the high power rocket motor size equivalent would be?)
>
> Pic of igniter test.
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/multimedia/ 
> igniter.html
>
> Ares-I First Stage Igniter Tested (in High Def!) video.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QWzFEek3A&NR=1
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/ares/igniter_test.html
>
> Side note.
> Ares 1 Ullage Motor Test video
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QWzFEek3A&NR=1
>
> A Look Inside NASA's Orion Spacecraft Mock-Up video.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlzytubpMiE
>
> From the early space race days of yore...
> Video of an unmanned Mercury Redstone (MR-1A) launch December 1960.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swICiONTsMI
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>
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From clappfamily at comcast.net  Mon Mar 16 10:33:12 2009
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Subject: [RocketsNW] Ares 1 igniter test
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LOL?? 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Moore-Read" <terry at mooreread.com> 
To: "Bryan Young" <foreveryoung at inlandnet.com> 
Cc: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:03:07 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ares 1 igniter test 

There's another smaller rocket motor to ignite that one. ?? ?? ?? 
Eventually you find out there's a J350 with a copperhead that starts ?? 
the whole thing off :-) 



On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Bryan Young wrote: 

> If this igniter is a solid rocket motor, then what is the igniter ?? 
> there 
> using for the igniter? 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> ] 
> On Behalf Of Hammer 
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:41 PM 
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list 
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Ares 1 igniter test 
> 
> NASA's Ares I Rocket First Stage Igniter Tested 
> http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NASA_Ares_I_Rocket_First_Stage_Igniter_T 
> ested_999.html 
> 
> The test, conducted at ATK Launch Systems test facilities near 
> Promontory, Utah, generated a flame almost 200 feet in length. 
> 
> The Ares I igniter is an enhanced version of the flight-proven igniter 
> used in the space shuttle's solid rocket boosters. The igniter takes 
> advantage of upgraded liner and insulation materials that have ?? 
> improved 
> thermal properties which protect the igniter's case from the burning 
> solid propellant. 
> 
> The new igniter is approximately 18 inches in diameter and 36 inches 
> long. It is a small, high-burn-rate solid rocket motor that is secured 
> in the forward segment of a five-segment booster. 
> 
> (wonder what the high power rocket motor size equivalent would be?) 
> 
> Pic of igniter test. 
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/multimedia/ 
> igniter.html 
> 
> Ares-I First Stage Igniter Tested (in High Def!) video. 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QWzFEek3A&NR=1 
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/ares/igniter_test.html 
> 
> Side note. 
> Ares 1 Ullage Motor Test video 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QWzFEek3A&NR=1 
> 
> A Look Inside NASA's Orion Spacecraft Mock-Up video. 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlzytubpMiE 
> 
> From the early space race days of yore... 
> Video of an unmanned Mercury Redstone (MR-1A) launch December 1960. 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swICiONTsMI 
> _______________________________________________ 
> Rockets mailing list 
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 
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> 
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From: "Terry Moore-Read" <terry at mooreread.com>
To: "Bryan Young" <foreveryoung at inlandnet.com>
Cc: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:03:07 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ares 1 igniter test
There's another smaller rocket motor to ignite that one. ? ? ?
Eventually you find out there's a J350 with a copperhead that starts ?
the whole thing off :-)
On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Bryan Young wrote:
> If this igniter is a solid rocket motor, then what is the igniter ?
> there
> using for the igniter?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> ]
> On Behalf Of Hammer
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:41 PM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Ares 1 igniter test
>
> NASA's Ares I Rocket First Stage Igniter Tested
> http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NASA_Ares_I_Rocket_First_Stage_Igniter_T
> ested_999.html
>
> The test, conducted at ATK Launch Systems test facilities near
> Promontory, Utah, generated a flame almost 200 feet in length.
>
> The Ares I igniter is an enhanced version of the flight-proven igniter
> used in the space shuttle's solid rocket boosters. The igniter takes
> advantage of upgraded liner and insulation materials that have ?
> improved
> thermal properties which protect the igniter's case from the burning
> solid propellant.
>
> The new igniter is approximately 18 inches in diameter and 36 inches
> long. It is a small, high-burn-rate solid rocket motor that is secured
> in the forward segment of a five-segment booster.
>
> (wonder what the high power rocket motor size equivalent would be?)
>
> Pic of igniter test.
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/multimedia/
> igniter.html
>
> Ares-I First Stage Igniter Tested (in High Def!) video.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QWzFEek3A&NR=1
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/ares/igniter_test.html
>
> Side note.
> Ares 1 Ullage Motor Test video
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QWzFEek3A&NR=1
>
> A Look Inside NASA's Orion Spacecraft Mock-Up video.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlzytubpMiE
>
> From the early space race days of yore...
> Video of an unmanned Mercury Redstone (MR-1A) launch December 1960.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swICiONTsMI
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Mon Mar 16 12:08:54 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:08:54 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
Message-ID: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2>

Believe it or not, I think we won!
 
 <http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf>
http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf

 
Scott T. Bowers
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Believe it or not, I think we won!
?
http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
?
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
?
?

From ethan.e.jones at boeing.com  Mon Mar 16 12:17:04 2009
From: ethan.e.jones at boeing.com (Jones, Ethan E)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:17:04 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
In-Reply-To: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <F0A95F6CD684A14696C12B97177E31C8080CF5ED@XCH-NW-4V1.nw.nos.boeing.com>

 
It appears that way. Of course, nothing prevents the ATF from appealing,
and unfortunately as a government agency, they have unlimited resources
to do so.

Ethan Jones


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:09 PM
To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case

Believe it or not, I think we won!
 
 <http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf>
http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf

 
Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/> 
 
 

From terry at mooreread.com  Mon Mar 16 12:22:32 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:22:32 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
In-Reply-To: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <4F763061-ABBB-4CAD-BF30-EF43C225BE0C@mooreread.com>

I believe the attorney general would have to appeal ... it's not the  
ATF's decision

On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Scott T Bowers wrote:

> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Mon Mar 16 12:26:23 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:26:23 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
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 Let me re-phrase that, we won! 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:09 PM
To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case

Believe it or not, I think we won!
 
 <http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf>
http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf

 
Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/> 
 
 


From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 16 12:46:39 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:46:39 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
In-Reply-To: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2>
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I don't have time to read the decision right now, so could some one come 
up with an accurate summary and interpretation of it and the regulatory 
implications in the short and long term for hobby rocketry?  Then we can 
debate and argue the merits and demerits of the decision with zest and 
gusto!

Just because we won a battle doesn't mean we won the war.

Robert

Scott T Bowers wrote:
> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>  
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>  
> Scott T. Bowers
> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>  
>  
>
>   
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From melamy at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 16 12:47:28 2009
From: melamy at earthlink.net (melamy at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:47:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
Message-ID: <30268300.1237232848308.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

we won the case, but it does not preclude the ATF from convincing congress that it should be kept on the list whether it is an explosive or not just to protect the american people from terrorist WDMs. You and I know that it is nearly impossible (as in only by shear luck) to use our stuff to destroy anything. We may slightly dent cars a time or two. I would hope Judge Walton's case statements would help counter any attempt by the ATF, but frankly our congressmen and congresswomen will be targeted by the ATF to keep it on the list.

regards, Steve Thatcher

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>Sent: Mar 16, 2009 3:26 PM
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>Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
>
> Let me re-phrase that, we won! 
>
>
>Scott T. Bowers
>www.scottsrockets.com


From terry at mooreread.com  Mon Mar 16 12:47:06 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:47:06 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
In-Reply-To: <184802F165B444488CEE956F0C7B4DD1@Mobile2>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2>
	<184802F165B444488CEE956F0C7B4DD1@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <525D4EF1-73E8-435C-A0E9-E60B3D3217EA@mooreread.com>

I wanted to check that this wasn't just a draft order and here it is,  
straight from the electronic docket :

03/16/2009	116 	ORDER granting 100 Motion for Summary Judgment;  
denying 101 Motion for Partial Summary Judgment. Summary judgment is  
granted. The defendant's motion for summary judgment is denied. The  
defendant's decision to classify APCP as an explosive under 18 U.S.C.  
? 841(d) is vacated. The remaining counts of plaintiffs' third amended  
complaint are dismissed as moot and therefore this case is dismissed  
in its entirety. Signed by Judge Reggie B. Walton on 03/16/09.  
(lcrbw2) (Entered: 03/16/2009)
On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Scott T Bowers wrote:

> Let me re-phrase that, we won!
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> ]
> On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:09 PM
> To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
>
> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>
> <http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf>
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/>
>
>
>
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I wanted to check that this wasn't just a draft order and here it is, straight from the electronic docket :
03/16/2009
https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/doc1/04502461076 116
?
ORDER granting? https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/doc1/04501733894 100
?Motion for Summary Judgment; denying? https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/doc1/04501735804 101
?Motion for Partial Summary Judgment. Summary judgment is granted. The defendant's motion for summary judgment is denied. The defendant's decision to classify APCP as an explosive under 18 U.S.C. ? 841(d) is vacated. The remaining counts of plaintiffs' third amended complaint are dismissed as moot and therefore this case is dismissed in its entirety. Signed by Judge Reggie B. Walton on 03/16/09. (lcrbw2) (Entered: 03/16/2009)
On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Scott T Bowers wrote:
Let me re-phrase that, we won!
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com www.scottsrockets.com
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On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
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Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
Believe it or not, I think we won!
<http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf>
http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Mon Mar 16 12:50:39 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:50:39 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
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Not that long. Basically he says they failed in any way to prove their case
and ruled in our favor without conditions. 


Scott T. Bowers
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On Behalf Of Hammer
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case

I don't have time to read the decision right now, so could some one come up
with an accurate summary and interpretation of it and the regulatory
implications in the short and long term for hobby rocketry?  Then we can
debate and argue the merits and demerits of the decision with zest and
gusto!

Just because we won a battle doesn't mean we won the war.

Robert

Scott T Bowers wrote:
> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>  
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>  
> Scott T. Bowers
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>  
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 16 12:50:52 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:50:52 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Yuri's Night World Space Party 4-12APR09
Message-ID: <49BEAD9C.1030308@earthlink.net>

http://yurisnight.net/main/

Nothing scheduled in Seattle with the closest being in Richland.
Might be a good venue for promoting rocketry, astronomy, and other 
related hobbies.

Robert

From terry at mooreread.com  Mon Mar 16 13:02:31 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:02:31 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
In-Reply-To: <825DD2AD-4EF0-4CB9-B33F-B712CF0DD977@mooreread.com>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2>
	<4F763061-ABBB-4CAD-BF30-EF43C225BE0C@mooreread.com>
	<825DD2AD-4EF0-4CB9-B33F-B712CF0DD977@mooreread.com>
Message-ID: <5BEB84F4-E004-4E98-A1CB-5C568B68FBDA@mooreread.com>

Actually having thought about it for 2 minutes, that was more a case  
of the last straw in the ever changing rules.

On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Terry Moore-Read wrote:

> Isn't this outcome rather more than we were seeking in the first  
> place ?  We just wanted easy access back, but we got everything.
>
> On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Terry Moore-Read wrote:
>
>> I believe the attorney general would have to appeal ... it's not  
>> the ATF's decision
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Scott T Bowers wrote:
>>
>>> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>>>
>>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>>>
>>> Scott T. Bowers
>>> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>>>
>>>
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From keithp at keithp.com  Mon Mar 16 13:04:51 2009
From: keithp at keithp.com (Keith Packard)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:04:51 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] "Touch of the Irish Thunder Thunder" OROC launch report
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Memorial Park, in Wilsonville was wet and windy last Saturday, but we
managed to attract a few hardy souls out for our launch.

Thanks to Tim Ryerse for showing up at 11:00 time to help set up; we
managed to get a pop-up raised and most of the equipment set up before
the rain started in earnest. By 12:30, after launching a couple of
rockets (and losing one), we wondered briefly what the heck we were
doing out there...

Then several more people came out, and the rain let up a bit. After
that, we managed to launch quite a few more rockets, although I have to
admit that when 3:00 came, we packed up quickly and escaped to warmer
and drier places.

Launches: 33
Successful flights: 28
Flyers: 9
Rockets: 23
Most Flights: 9 Joe Bevier
Biggest Motor: F12-0 Joe Bevier

There were a few fun adventures -- Joe Bevier and Steve Tarr tried to
drag-race Acme Spitfires; Steve's launched, but Joe's igniter failed.
With a new igniter, Joe's Spitfire blew out the nozzle and sat on the
pad looking a lot like a road flare.

Tim Ryerse kept landing rockets on the park road, breaking several fins
off. Even I managed to break a fin with an unusually long '4 second'
ejection delay.

We recorded three 'first time fliers' this month; Carl Worth had brought
his three boys out a couple of months ago, before we realized that the
NAR program was still operating. So we handed out certificates this
month instead.

We're also on for April 12th and May 10th, both Sundays from 2:00pm
until 5:00pm. Baseball is starting up in Wilsonville, and the park is
occupied on Saturdays for months to come, so we've moved to Sundays.

Picture credits go to Tim Ryerse.

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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Mon Mar 16 13:22:34 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:22:34 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
In-Reply-To: <825DD2AD-4EF0-4CB9-B33F-B712CF0DD977@mooreread.com>
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	<4F763061-ABBB-4CAD-BF30-EF43C225BE0C@mooreread.com>
	<825DD2AD-4EF0-4CB9-B33F-B712CF0DD977@mooreread.com>
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Actually, this lawsuit was started well before easy access went away. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Moore-Read [mailto:nar at mooreread.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:55 PM
To: Terry Moore-Read
Cc: Scott T Bowers; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case

Isn't this outcome rather more than we were seeking in the first place ?  We
just wanted easy access back, but we got everything.

On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Terry Moore-Read wrote:

> I believe the attorney general would have to appeal ... it's not the 
> ATF's decision
>
> On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Scott T Bowers wrote:
>
>> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>>
>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>>
>> Scott T. Bowers
>> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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From fred.azinger at intel.com  Mon Mar 16 13:24:07 2009
From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:24:07 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
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Now -- do we get our court costs refunded????

 

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From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:51 PM
To: 'Hammer'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case

Not that long. Basically he says they failed in any way to prove their case
and ruled in our favor without conditions. 


Scott T. Bowers
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-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Hammer
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:47 PM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case

I don't have time to read the decision right now, so could some one come up
with an accurate summary and interpretation of it and the regulatory
implications in the short and long term for hobby rocketry?  Then we can
debate and argue the merits and demerits of the decision with zest and
gusto!

Just because we won a battle doesn't mean we won the war.

Robert

Scott T Bowers wrote:
> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>  
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>  
> Scott T. Bowers
> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>  
>  
>
>   
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From terry at mooreread.com  Mon Mar 16 13:28:06 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:28:06 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
In-Reply-To: <49BEAC9F.1020201@earthlink.net>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2>
	<49BEAC9F.1020201@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E9D6546F-3045-4E2C-B46C-B6989FFD9074@mooreread.com>

Right now APCP is off the explosives list - case is over.   Future  
depends on ATFs next move - they can do proper testing and try to  
write proper rules (next to impossible given the burn rate issue) or  
seek legislative changes.

On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Hammer wrote:

> I don't have time to read the decision right now, so could some one  
> come
> up with an accurate summary and interpretation of it and the  
> regulatory
> implications in the short and long term for hobby rocketry?  Then we  
> can
> debate and argue the merits and demerits of the decision with zest and
> gusto!
>
> Just because we won a battle doesn't mean we won the war.
>
> Robert
>
> Scott T Bowers wrote:
>> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>>
>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>>
>> Scott T. Bowers
>> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Mon Mar 16 13:51:20 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:51:20 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
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Evidently that is not a likely case according to our lawyers. And to answer
Fred, yes we are going after court costs. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Terry Moore-Read
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:28 PM
To: Hammer
Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case

Right now APCP is off the explosives list - case is over.   Future  
depends on ATFs next move - they can do proper testing and try to write
proper rules (next to impossible given the burn rate issue) or seek
legislative changes.

On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Hammer wrote:

> I don't have time to read the decision right now, so could some one 
> come up with an accurate summary and interpretation of it and the 
> regulatory implications in the short and long term for hobby rocketry?  
> Then we can debate and argue the merits and demerits of the decision 
> with zest and gusto!
>
> Just because we won a battle doesn't mean we won the war.
>
> Robert
>
> Scott T Bowers wrote:
>> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>>
>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>>
>> Scott T. Bowers
>> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Mon Mar 16 14:11:19 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:11:19 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
In-Reply-To: <000001c9a67b$36e475a0$a4ad60e0$@com>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2><49BEAC9F.1020201@earthlink.net>	<E9D6546F-3045-4E2C-B46C-B6989FFD9074@mooreread.com>
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As of right now, no you do not. Your motors are no longer explosives. I
imagine there will be some guidance from our legal team coming, I would
listen to them, they got us this far.


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hawkins [mailto:johnhawkins at wavecable.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:07 PM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Court case

Scott
so....do we need to renew our LEUP's then? or do we know for sure yet?
I just got my renewal in the mail mine expires the end of May John

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:51 PM
To: 'Terry Moore-Read'; 'Hammer'
Cc: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case

Evidently that is not a likely case according to our lawyers. And to answer
Fred, yes we are going after court costs. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Terry Moore-Read
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:28 PM
To: Hammer
Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case

Right now APCP is off the explosives list - case is over.   Future  
depends on ATFs next move - they can do proper testing and try to write
proper rules (next to impossible given the burn rate issue) or seek
legislative changes.

On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Hammer wrote:

> I don't have time to read the decision right now, so could some one 
> come up with an accurate summary and interpretation of it and the 
> regulatory implications in the short and long term for hobby rocketry?
> Then we can debate and argue the merits and demerits of the decision 
> with zest and gusto!
>
> Just because we won a battle doesn't mean we won the war.
>
> Robert
>
> Scott T Bowers wrote:
>> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>>
>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>>
>> Scott T. Bowers
>> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>>
>>
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From winningstad at comcast.net  Mon Mar 16 14:11:38 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:11:38 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
In-Reply-To: <184802F165B444488CEE956F0C7B4DD1@Mobile2>
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	<184802F165B444488CEE956F0C7B4DD1@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <22A7A869630349F1B8FA40571A400F33@downstair>

Is the order such that I can now dismantle my Type 4 magazine...now?

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:26 PM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

 Let me re-phrase that, we won! 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:09 PM
To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case

Believe it or not, I think we won!
 
 <http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf>
http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf

 
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Mon Mar 16 14:14:59 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:14:59 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
In-Reply-To: <22A7A869630349F1B8FA40571A400F33@downstair>
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I can't answer you that Dennis, but according to the judge motors are no
longer under the control of the BATFE. They are off the list by court order.



Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Winningstad [mailto:winningstad at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:12 PM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

Is the order such that I can now dismantle my Type 4 magazine...now?

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:26 PM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

 Let me re-phrase that, we won! 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:09 PM
To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case

Believe it or not, I think we won!
 
 <http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf>
http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf

 
Scott T. Bowers
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From greg at blastzone.com  Mon Mar 16 14:17:59 2009
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:17:59 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
In-Reply-To: <854E4E0B148A44679A81C539C9366B84@Mobile2>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2>	<184802F165B444488CEE956F0C7B4DD1@Mobile2>	<22A7A869630349F1B8FA40571A400F33@downstair>
	<854E4E0B148A44679A81C539C9366B84@Mobile2>
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Keep it around for ignitors.  ATF is still claiming authority over those.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:15 PM
> To: 'Dennis Winningstad'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
> 
> I can't answer you that Dennis, but according to the judge motors are no
> longer under the control of the BATFE. They are off the list by court
order.
> 
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Winningstad [mailto:winningstad at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:12 PM
> To: 'Scott T Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
> 
> Is the order such that I can now dismantle my Type 4 magazine...now?
> 
> Dennis S Winningstad
> 503-781-3529
> 
> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:26 PM
> To: 'Scott T Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
> 
>  Let me re-phrase that, we won!
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:09 PM
> To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
> 
> Believe it or not, I think we won!
> 
>  <http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf>
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/>
> 
> 
> 
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From terry at mooreread.com  Mon Mar 16 14:18:24 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:18:24 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
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Pretty much - but I'd wait for our lawyers to weigh in on it.    The  
order plainly removes apcp from the explosives list immediately.

On Mar 16, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Dennis Winningstad wrote:

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From tomjerry1 at dishmail.net  Mon Mar 16 14:19:12 2009
From: tomjerry1 at dishmail.net (Roy Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:19:12 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2><184802F165B444488CEE956F0C7B4DD1@Mobile2><22A7A869630349F1B8FA40571A400F33@downstair>
	<854E4E0B148A44679A81C539C9366B84@Mobile2>
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and if we can dismantle our mags. 

does that mean we can sue for the cost of them
now they aren't needed
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and if we can dismantle our mags.
?
does that mean we can sue for the cost of them
now they aren't needed

From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Mon Mar 16 14:14:00 2009
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:14:00 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
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	<22A7A869630349F1B8FA40571A400F33@downstair>
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Yes, with an igniter and a very long cord ;)

Andrew.

Dennis Winningstad wrote:
> Is the order such that I can now dismantle my Type 4 magazine...now?
> 
> Dennis S Winningstad
> 503-781-3529
>  
> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:26 PM
> To: 'Scott T Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
> 
>  Let me re-phrase that, we won! 
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:09 PM
> To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
> 
> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>  
>  <http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf>
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
> 
>  
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/> 
>  
>  
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Mon Mar 16 14:22:48 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:22:48 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
In-Reply-To: <029f01c9a67c$af55ef90$0e01ceb0$@com>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2>	<184802F165B444488CEE956F0C7B4DD1@Mobile2>	<22A7A869630349F1B8FA40571A400F33@downstair>
	<854E4E0B148A44679A81C539C9366B84@Mobile2>
	<029f01c9a67c$af55ef90$0e01ceb0$@com>
Message-ID: <03EC91CF1A2742398CA20EA2E80119EF@Mobile2>

That may be true, but now they are gonna have a harder time differentiating
those from Estes Igniters. They always said Estes got a pass because they
were not used to initiate explosives, now our motors are not explosives.... 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:18 PM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'; 'Dennis Winningstad'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

Keep it around for ignitors.  ATF is still claiming authority over those.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:15 PM
> To: 'Dennis Winningstad'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
> 
> I can't answer you that Dennis, but according to the judge motors are 
> no longer under the control of the BATFE. They are off the list by 
> court
order.
> 
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Winningstad [mailto:winningstad at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:12 PM
> To: 'Scott T Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
> 
> Is the order such that I can now dismantle my Type 4 magazine...now?
> 
> Dennis S Winningstad
> 503-781-3529
> 
> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:26 PM
> To: 'Scott T Bowers'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
> 
>  Let me re-phrase that, we won!
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:09 PM
> To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
> 
> Believe it or not, I think we won!
> 
>  <http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf>
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/>
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Mon Mar 16 14:24:12 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:24:12 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
In-Reply-To: <696725E5AFE84727BACD67C03CACBD2A@myDell>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2><184802F165B444488CEE956F0C7B4DD1@Mobile2><22A7A869630349F1B8FA40571A400F33@downstair>
	<854E4E0B148A44679A81C539C9366B84@Mobile2>
	<696725E5AFE84727BACD67C03CACBD2A@myDell>
Message-ID: <E69498E9807F4F0A9EDC46B3874540CF@Mobile2>

I would seem so. Might be a good question for our legal team.
 
Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/> 
 
 

  _____  

From: Roy Jenkins [mailto:tomjerry1 at dishmail.net] 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:19 PM
To: Scott T Bowers; 'Dennis Winningstad'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!


and if we can dismantle our mags. 
 
does that mean we can sue for the cost of them
now they aren't needed
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I would seem so. Might be a good question for our legal team.
?
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
?
?
From:
Roy Jenkins [mailto:tomjerry1 at dishmail.net]
Sent:
Monday, March 16, 2009 2:19 PM
To:
Scott T Bowers; 'Dennis Winningstad'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject:
Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
and if we can dismantle our mags.
?
does that mean we can sue for the cost of them
now they aren't needed

From winningstad at comcast.net  Mon Mar 16 14:27:07 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:27:07 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
In-Reply-To: <E69498E9807F4F0A9EDC46B3874540CF@Mobile2>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2><184802F165B444488CEE956F0C7B4DD1@Mobile2><22A7A869630349F1B8FA40571A400F33@downstair>
	<854E4E0B148A44679A81C539C9366B84@Mobile2>
	<696725E5AFE84727BACD67C03CACBD2A@myDell>
	<E69498E9807F4F0A9EDC46B3874540CF@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <BA07533908F044E2958BB8355447D7FD@downstair>

IMHO suing in this case would be impractical.unless it was a class action
proceeding!

 

Dennis S Winningstad

503-781-3529

 

It is bad luck to be superstitious.

  _____  

From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:24 PM
To: 'Roy Jenkins'; 'Dennis Winningstad'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

 

I would seem so. Might be a good question for our legal team.

 

Scott T. Bowers

www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/> 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: Roy Jenkins [mailto:tomjerry1 at dishmail.net] 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:19 PM
To: Scott T Bowers; 'Dennis Winningstad'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

and if we can dismantle our mags. 

 

does that mean we can sue for the cost of them

now they aren't needed

-------------- next part --------------
IMHO suing in this case would be impractical???unless it was a class action proceeding!
?
Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
?
It is bad luck to be superstitious.
From:
Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent:
Monday, March 16, 2009 2:24 PM
To:
'Roy Jenkins'; 'Dennis Winningstad'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject:
RE: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
?
I would seem so. Might be a good question for our legal team.
?
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
?
?
?
From:
Roy Jenkins [mailto:tomjerry1 at dishmail.net]
Sent:
Monday, March 16, 2009 2:19 PM
To:
Scott T Bowers; 'Dennis Winningstad'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject:
Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
and if we can dismantle our mags.
?
does that mean we can sue for the cost of them
now they aren't needed

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Mon Mar 16 14:30:21 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:30:21 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
In-Reply-To: <BA07533908F044E2958BB8355447D7FD@downstair>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2><184802F165B444488CEE956F0C7B4DD1@Mobile2><22A7A869630349F1B8FA40571A400F33@downstair><854E4E0B148A44679A81C539C9366B84@Mobile2><696725E5AFE84727BACD67C03CACBD2A@myDell><E69498E9807F4F0A9EDC46B3874540CF@Mobile2>
	<BA07533908F044E2958BB8355447D7FD@downstair>
Message-ID: <A2D34575BF974CA8823403EEEA91DF40@Mobile2>

Well, TRA has said they are going after legal fees, I am sure our legal team
would appreciate more work.  


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:27 PM
To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

IMHO suing in this case would be impractical.unless it was a class action
proceeding!

 

Dennis S Winningstad

503-781-3529

 

It is bad luck to be superstitious.

  _____  

From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:24 PM
To: 'Roy Jenkins'; 'Dennis Winningstad'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

 

I would seem so. Might be a good question for our legal team.

 

Scott T. Bowers

www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/> 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: Roy Jenkins [mailto:tomjerry1 at dishmail.net]
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:19 PM
To: Scott T Bowers; 'Dennis Winningstad'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

and if we can dismantle our mags. 

 

does that mean we can sue for the cost of them

now they aren't needed



From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Mon Mar 16 14:30:39 2009
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:30:39 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Pete Ekstrom - pls ping me offline
Message-ID: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099019E0A@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>


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From sb at berfield.com  Mon Mar 16 14:43:03 2009
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:43:03 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
Message-ID: <W3973821194284191237239783@webmail19>

Wow. I am amazed. 

Now let's see what sort of crap tehy come up with to keep things locked down. Wouldn't surprise me to see Homeland Insecurity get involved.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:08 PM
To: ''NW Rocketry mailing list''
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case

Believe it or not, I think we won! http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf Scott T. Bowerswww.scottsrockets.com 
-------------- next part --------------
Wow. I am amazed.
Now let's see what sort of crap tehy come up with to keep things locked down. Wouldn't surprise me to see Homeland Insecurity get involved.
?
-----Original Message-----
From:
Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent:
Monday, March 16, 2009 12:08 PM
To:
''NW Rocketry mailing list''
Subject:
[RocketsNW] Court case
Believe it or not, I think we won!
http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com

From bclugston1 at comcast.net  Mon Mar 16 14:47:58 2009
From: bclugston1 at comcast.net (William Clugston)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:47:58 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
In-Reply-To: <30268300.1237232848308.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <30268300.1237232848308.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4FF8E454-18B8-4B09-A110-ABAB2323ADFF@comcast.net>

Fortunately, Congress has bigger fish to fry at the moment. The ATF  
will have a tough time explaining to Congress why it's worth spending  
money to chase us down in this economy.

Bill Clugston
bclugston1 at comcast.net
http://www.earthskystars.net (Rocketry and Astronomy)



On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:47 PM, melamy at earthlink.net wrote:

> we won the case, but it does not preclude the ATF from convincing  
> congress that it should be kept on the list whether it is an  
> explosive or not just to protect the american people from terrorist  
> WDMs. You and I know that it is nearly impossible (as in only by  
> shear luck) to use our stuff to destroy anything. We may slightly  
> dent cars a time or two. I would hope Judge Walton's case  
> statements would help counter any attempt by the ATF, but frankly  
> our congressmen and congresswomen will be targeted by the ATF to  
> keep it on the list.
>
> regards, Steve Thatcher
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott T Bowers <scott at scottsrockets.com>
>> Sent: Mar 16, 2009 3:26 PM
>> To: 'Scott T Bowers' <scott at scottsrockets.com>, 'NW Rocketry  
>> mailing list' <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
>>
>> Let me re-phrase that, we won!
>>
>>
>> Scott T. Bowers
>> www.scottsrockets.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From sb at berfield.com  Mon Mar 16 14:51:22 2009
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:51:22 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
Message-ID: <W40252993380211237240282@webmail11>

If anyone wants proof ofwhat crappy weapons these things would make, I can show them how hard a time I have even hitting the Playa.


-----Original Message-----
From: William Clugston [mailto:bclugston1 at comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 02:47 PM
To: melamy at earthlink.net
Cc: ''NW Rocketry mailing list''
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

Fortunately, Congress has bigger fish to fry at the moment. The ATF will have a tough time explaining to Congress why it's worth spending money to chase us down in this economy.Bill Clugstonbclugston1 at comcast.nethttp://www.earthskystars.net (Rocketry and Astronomy)On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:47 PM, melamy at earthlink.net wrote:> we won the case, but it does not preclude the ATF from convincing > congress that it should be kept on the list whether it is an > explosive or not just to protect the american people from terrorist > WDMs. You and I know that it is nearly impossible (as in only by > shear luck) to use our stuff to destroy anything. We may slightly > dent cars a time or two. I would hope Judge Walton's case > statements would help counter any attempt by the ATF, but frankly > our congressmen and congresswomen will be targeted by the ATF to > keep it on the list.>> regards, Steve Thatcher>> -----Original Message----->> From: Scott T Bowers >> Sent: Mar 16, 2009 3:26 PM>> To: 'Scott T Bowers' , 'NW Rocketry >> mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!>>>> Let me re-phrase that, we won!>>>>>> Scott T. Bowers>> www.scottsrockets.com>> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets>_______________________________________________Rockets mailing listRockets at rocketsnw.comhttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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If anyone wants proof ofwhat crappy weapons these things would make, I can show them how hard a time I have even hitting the Playa.
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Subject:
Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
Fortunately, Congress has bigger fish to fry at the moment. The ATF will have a tough time explaining to Congress why it's worth spending money to chase us down in this economy. Bill Clugston bclugston1 at comcast.net http://www.earthskystars.net (Rocketry and Astronomy) On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:47 PM, melamy at earthlink.net wrote: > we won the case, but it does not preclude the ATF from convincing > congress that it should be kept on the list whether it is an > explosive or not just to protect the american people from terrorist > WDMs. You and I know that it is nearly impossible (as in only by > shear luck) to use our stuff to destroy anything. We may slightly > dent cars a time or two. I would hope Judge Walton's case > statements would help counter any attempt by the ATF, but frankly > our congressmen and congresswomen will be targeted by the ATF to > keep it on the list. > > regards, Steve Thatcher > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott T Bowers
>> Sent: Mar 16, 2009 3:26 PM >> To: 'Scott T Bowers'
, 'NW Rocketry >> mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won! >> >> Let me re-phrase that, we won! >> >> >> Scott T. Bowers >> www.scottsrockets.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets

From angela at wrightholdings.com  Mon Mar 16 14:55:30 2009
From: angela at wrightholdings.com (Angela Innes)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:55:30 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
In-Reply-To: <696725E5AFE84727BACD67C03CACBD2A@myDell>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2><184802F165B444488CEE956F0C7B4DD1@Mobile2><22A7A869630349F1B8FA40571A400F33@downstair>
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Come on guys lets not get carreid away. Lets just be happy with the outcome, fly our rockets and move along...

Level II time baby!

red
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From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] on behalf of Roy Jenkins [tomjerry1 at dishmail.net]
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:19 PM
To: Scott T Bowers; 'Dennis Winningstad'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

and if we can dismantle our mags.

does that mean we can sue for the cost of them
now they aren't needed

From bar0051 at homenetnw.net  Mon Mar 16 16:52:32 2009
From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net (Bryon Schopp)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:52:32 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2><49BEAC9F.1020201@earthlink.net>
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What about the State Regs?  Are we still going to have to deal with 
Washington State L&I under state law?  They have become a bigger hassle than 
the BATFE.

Bryon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Moore-Read" <terry at mooreread.com>
To: "Hammer" <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
Cc: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case


> Right now APCP is off the explosives list - case is over.   Future
> depends on ATFs next move - they can do proper testing and try to
> write proper rules (next to impossible given the burn rate issue) or
> seek legislative changes.
>
> On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Hammer wrote:
>
>> I don't have time to read the decision right now, so could some one
>> come
>> up with an accurate summary and interpretation of it and the
>> regulatory
>> implications in the short and long term for hobby rocketry?  Then we
>> can
>> debate and argue the merits and demerits of the decision with zest and
>> gusto!
>>
>> Just because we won a battle doesn't mean we won the war.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> Scott T Bowers wrote:
>>> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>>>
>>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>>>
>>> Scott T. Bowers
>>> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Mon Mar 16 16:56:57 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:56:57 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
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I think they go by the aft list, and since you no longer have explosives you
have no need to talk to them. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:53 PM
To: Terry Moore-Read; Hammer
Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case

What about the State Regs?  Are we still going to have to deal with
Washington State L&I under state law?  They have become a bigger hassle than
the BATFE.

Bryon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Moore-Read" <terry at mooreread.com>
To: "Hammer" <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
Cc: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case


> Right now APCP is off the explosives list - case is over.   Future
> depends on ATFs next move - they can do proper testing and try to
> write proper rules (next to impossible given the burn rate issue) or
> seek legislative changes.
>
> On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Hammer wrote:
>
>> I don't have time to read the decision right now, so could some one
>> come
>> up with an accurate summary and interpretation of it and the
>> regulatory
>> implications in the short and long term for hobby rocketry?  Then we
>> can
>> debate and argue the merits and demerits of the decision with zest and
>> gusto!
>>
>> Just because we won a battle doesn't mean we won the war.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> Scott T Bowers wrote:
>>> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>>>
>>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>>>
>>> Scott T. Bowers
>>> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
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From rocfish74 at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 16 16:54:33 2009
From: rocfish74 at hotmail.com (Mark Lyons)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:54:33 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
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WOOOHOOO!!!!!
 
> From: scott at scottsrockets.com
> To: scott at scottsrockets.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:26:23 -0700
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
> 
> Let me re-phrase that, we won! 
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:09 PM
> To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
> 
> Believe it or not, I think we won!
> 
> <http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf>
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/> 
> 
> 
> 
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WOOOHOOO!!!!!
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> From: scott at scottsrockets.com
> To: scott at scottsrockets.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:26:23 -0700
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
>
> Let me re-phrase that, we won!
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:09 PM
> To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
>
> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>
> <http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf>
> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
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From terry at mooreread.com  Mon Mar 16 16:58:45 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:58:45 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
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I don't think so ... the state only got involved because their  
approval is required to get the federal permit
On Mar 16, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Bryon Schopp wrote:

> What about the State Regs?  Are we still going to have to deal with  
> Washington State L&I under state law?  They have become a bigger  
> hassle than the BATFE.
>
> Bryon
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Moore-Read" <terry at mooreread.com 
> >
> To: "Hammer" <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
> Cc: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
>
>
>> Right now APCP is off the explosives list - case is over.   Future
>> depends on ATFs next move - they can do proper testing and try to
>> write proper rules (next to impossible given the burn rate issue) or
>> seek legislative changes.
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Hammer wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have time to read the decision right now, so could some one
>>> come
>>> up with an accurate summary and interpretation of it and the
>>> regulatory
>>> implications in the short and long term for hobby rocketry?  Then we
>>> can
>>> debate and argue the merits and demerits of the decision with zest  
>>> and
>>> gusto!
>>>
>>> Just because we won a battle doesn't mean we won the war.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Scott T Bowers wrote:
>>>> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>>>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Scott T. Bowers
>>>> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
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From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:13:15 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Just in case you didn't see this already
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Fellow NAR Members --

As the result of nine years of hard work by our legal team and the  
teamwork and leadership of a series of key leaders of the NAR and TRA  
(especially former NAR President Mark Bundick), and as a result of  
your generous financial support for our cause, this case is now over.   
We have completely and unambiguously won.

The BATFE regulation of APCP was found by Judge Walton to be "..  
arbitrary and capricious, an abuse of discretion, or otherwise not in  
accordance with the law." and has been ordered by the Court to be  
"vacated" or canceled.  Sounds good, doesn't it?  The full text of the  
Court decision is provided below.  Enjoy reading about how justice has  
been served and an arrogant and capricious federal agency has been  
defeated by two small all-volunteer organizations with sound "rocket  
science" on our side.  We know that APCP is not a threat to national  
security, nor are we, and the court has agreed with us.

TRA President Ken Good and I will be consulting with our legal counsel  
over the next several days on exactly what we have to do next to  
ensure that BATFE complies with this order, and to determine what  
recourse they might try to pursue to continue this battle (i.e. by  
trying to redraft their rule) with what likelihood of success.  They  
will not give up and will not go away easily.  Please do not do  
anything confrontational with any BATFE agent, do not tear up your  
LEUP, and do not remove material from any magazines yet, until we know  
exactly where we stand legally.  We will issue a joint statement on  
what is next and what you should do as soon as we sort it out; this  
may take a few days.  I believe that we have enough in the Legal Fund  
to cover all the remaining close-out costs of this case.

Thanks for your patience and support while we fought this battle for  
you.  And if you see Mark Bundick, shake his hand and thank him!

Trip Barber
NAR 4322
NAR President

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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Civil Action No. 00-0273 (RBW)

TRIPOLI ROCKETRY ASSOCIATION and NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF ROCKETRY,  
Plaintiffs

  vs

U.S. BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS AND EXPLOSIVES, Defendant

The plaintiffs filed this action nine years ago challenging the  
defendant's regulation as an explosive under 18 U.S.C. ? 841(d) (2006)  
a chemical compound known as ammonium perchlorate composite propellant  
("APCP"), which is commonly used in the motors of hobby rockets. After  
the Court ruled on the parties' initial cross-motions for summary  
judgment in this case, the plaintiffs appealed and the District of  
Columbia Circuit, reviewing the matter de novo, held that the  
defendant's classification of APCP as an explosive based on its  
determination that the substance functions by deflagration violated  
the Administrative Procedure Act, 5 U.S.C. ? 706(2)(A) (2000), because  
the decision was arbitrary and capricious, an abuse of discretion, or  
otherwise not in accordance with the law, Tripoli Rocketry Ass'n, Inc.  
v. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 437 F.3d 75  
(D.C. Cir. 2006). The Circuit Court therefore remanded the matter to  
this Court "with instructions to remand the case to the agency for  
further consideration consistent with [its] decision." Id. at 84. The  
remand was ordered because the Court found that "[t]he agency ha[d]  
never provided a clear and coherent explanation for its classification  
of APCP." Id. at 81. The Court further found that the agency "ha[d]  
never articulated the standards that guided its analysis" that would  
permit a court sitting in review to "determine whether [the  
defendant's] judgment reflect[ed] reasoned decisionmaking." Id.; see  
also April 20, 2006 Order. In its October 13, 2006 memorandum the  
agency informed the Court that it had complied with the Circuit's  
mandate and was affirming its earlier decision to classify APCP as an  
explosive. Defendant's Notice of Agency Decision (Oct. 13, 2006). The  
plaintiffs thereafter amended their complaint, the defendant filed its  
answer to the amended complaint, and both parties crossed-moved again  
for summary judgment on the certified administrative record.

The parties came before the Court on March 13, 2009, for a hearing on  
the parties' cross-motions for summary judgment. Upon consideration of  
the parties' written submissions, the administrative record presented  
to the Court, the applicable legal authority, the oral arguments  
presented by the parties, and for the reasons expressed by the Court  
at the hearing on the motion, the Court finds that the agency's  
decision does not satisfy the standard for evaluating agency  
rulemaking because it was arbitrary and capricious, an abuse of  
discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with the law. 5 U.S.C. ?  
706(2)(A). Specifically, the defendant did not adequately explain why  
it came to the decision it did in light of contrary evidence in the  
administrative record submitted by the plaintiffs, which tended to  
show that APCP can burn at a rate lower than that which the defendant  
designated as the threshold, and "which, if true, . . . would require  
a change in [the] proposed rule.'" La. Fed. Land Bank Ass'n, FLCA v.  
Farm Credit Admin., 336 F.3d 1075, 1080 (D.C. Cir. 2003); see D&F  
Afonso Realty Trust v. Garvey, 216 F.3d 1191, 1195 (D.C. Cir. 2000)  
(quoting Public Citizen, Inc. v. F.A.A., 988 F.2d 186, 197 (D.C. Cir.  
1993) ("'[t]he requirement that agency action not be arbitrary or  
capricious includes a requirement that the agency adequately explain  
its result . . . .'"). Here, the agency's shortcoming was its failure  
to articulate any rationale for finding that the relevant and  
significant evidence in the record that conflicted with its position  
was unpersuasive, which it seemingly out-of-hand dismissed merely  
because it was contrary to the agency's ultimate conclusion.

As to the appropriate remedy to impose for the agency's failing, the  
Court has discretion to choose between vacatur of the agency's  
decision or remand to the agency without vacatur. See Advocates for  
Highway & Auto Safety v. Fed. Motor Carrier Safety Admin., 429 F.3d  
1136, 1151 (D.C. Cir. 2005) (quoting Allied-Signal, Inc. v. U.S.  
Nuclear Regulatory Comm'n, 988 F.2d 146, 150-51 (D.C. Cir.1993)  
("[T]his court is not without discretion. 'The decision whether to  
vacate depends on the seriousness of the order's deficiency . . . and  
the disruptive consequences of an interim change that may itself be  
changed.'"). Considering the number of years that have elapsed during  
which time the plaintiffs have awaited final resolution of the merits  
of their claims, the fact that this matter has already been remanded  
once to the agency for further action consistent with the Circuit's  
decision, and it appearing that vacating the agency's decision will  
not pose any serious threat to the public's health or safety, the  
Court will vacate the agency's decision to classify APCP is an  
explosive pursuant to 18 U.S.C. ? 841(d).
[Should the defendant choose to reinstate the policy that ACPC is  
properly classifiable as an explosive within the meaning of 18 U.S.C.  
? 841(d), nothing in this decision prevents it from redrafting this  
rule in accordance with the tenets of the APA or from seeking an  
explicit statutory classification from Congress.]
Because the plaintiffs have conceded that were the Court to grant  
summary judgment in their favor on Count One of their third amended  
complaint "will moot all of remaining counts" of their complaint,  
Plaintiffs' Memorandum of Points and Authorities in Support of Motion  
for Summary Judgment on Count 1 at 1-2 n.1, the Court having now  
granted summary judgment on Count One will dismiss all the plaintiffs'  
remaining counts of the complaint as moot.
Accordingly, it is hereby

ORDERED that the plaintiffs' motion for summary judgment is GRANTED.  
It is further
ORDERED that the defendant's motion for summary judgment is DENIED. It  
is further
ORDERED that the defendant's decision to classify APCP as an explosive  
under 18 U.S.C. ? 841(d) is VACATED. It is further
ORDERED that the remaining counts of plaintiffs' third amended  
complaint are DISMISSED as moot and therefore this case is dismissed  
in its entirety.
SO ORDERED this 16th day of March, 2009.

_________/s/______________
REGGIE B. WALTON
United States District Judge
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Fellow NAR Members --
?
As the result of nine years of hard work by our legal team and the teamwork and leadership of a series of key leaders of the NAR and TRA (especially former NAR President Mark Bundick), and as a result of your generous financial support for our cause, this case is now over.? We have completely and unambiguously won.
?
The BATFE regulation of APCP was found by Judge Walton to be ".. arbitrary and capricious, an abuse of discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with the law." and has been ordered by the Court to be "vacated" or canceled.? Sounds good, doesn't it?? The full text of the Court decision is provided below.? Enjoy reading about how justice has been served and an arrogant and capricious federal agency has been defeated by two small all-volunteer organizations with sound "rocket science" on our side.? We know that APCP is not a threat to national security, nor are we, and the court has agreed with us.
?
TRA President Ken Good and I will be consulting with our legal counsel over the next several days on exactly what we have to do next to ensure that BATFE complies with this order, and to determine what recourse they might try to pursue to continue this battle (i.e. by trying to redraft their rule) with what likelihood of success.? They will not give up and will not go away easily.? Please do not do anything confrontational with any BATFE agent, do not tear up your LEUP, and do not remove material from any magazines yet, until we know exactly where we stand legally.? We will issue a joint statement on what is next and what you should do as soon as we sort it out; this may take a few days.? I believe that we have enough in the Legal Fund to cover all the remaining close-out costs of this case.
?
Thanks for your patience and support while we fought this battle for you.? And if you see Mark Bundick, shake his hand and thank him!
?
Trip Barber
NAR 4322
NAR President
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Civil Action No. 00-0273 (RBW)
?
TRIPOLI ROCKETRY ASSOCIATION and NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF ROCKETRY, Plaintiffs
?
?vs
?
U.S. BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS AND EXPLOSIVES, Defendant
?
The plaintiffs filed this action nine years ago challenging the defendant's regulation as an explosive under 18 U.S.C. ? 841(d) (2006) a chemical compound known as ammonium perchlorate composite propellant ("APCP"), which is commonly used in the motors of hobby rockets. After the Court ruled on the parties' initial cross-motions for summary judgment in this case, the plaintiffs appealed and the District of Columbia Circuit, reviewing the matter de novo, held that the defendant's classification of APCP as an explosive based on its determination that the substance functions by deflagration violated the Administrative Procedure Act, 5 U.S.C. ? 706(2)(A) (2000), because the decision was arbitrary and capricious, an abuse of discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with the law, Tripoli Rocketry Ass'n, Inc. v. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 437 F.3d 75 (D.C. Cir. 2006). The Circuit Court therefore remanded the matter to this Court "with instructions to remand the case to the agency for further consideration consistent with [its] decision." Id. at 84. The remand was ordered because the Court found that "[t]he agency ha[d] never provided a clear and coherent explanation for its classification of APCP." Id. at 81. The Court further found that the agency "ha[d] never articulated the standards that guided its analysis" that would permit a court sitting in review to "determine whether [the defendant's] judgment reflect[ed] reasoned decisionmaking." Id.; see also April 20, 2006 Order. In its October 13, 2006 memorandum the agency informed the Court that it had complied with the Circuit's mandate and was affirming its earlier decision to classify APCP as an explosive. Defendant's Notice of Agency Decision (Oct. 13, 2006). The plaintiffs thereafter amended their complaint, the defendant filed its answer to the amended complaint, and both parties crossed-moved again for summary judgment on the certified administrative record.
The parties came before the Court on March 13, 2009, for a hearing on the parties' cross-motions for summary judgment. Upon consideration of the parties' written submissions, the administrative record presented to the Court, the applicable legal authority, the oral arguments presented by the parties, and for the reasons expressed by the Court at the hearing on the motion, the Court finds that the agency's decision does not satisfy the standard for evaluating agency rulemaking because it was arbitrary and capricious, an abuse of discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with the law. 5 U.S.C. ? 706(2)(A). Specifically, the defendant did not adequately explain why it came to the decision it did in light of contrary evidence in the administrative record submitted by the plaintiffs, which tended to show that APCP can burn at a rate lower than that which the defendant designated as the threshold, and "which, if true, . . . would require a change in [the] proposed rule.'" La. Fed. Land Bank Ass'n, FLCA v. Farm Credit Admin., 336 F.3d 1075, 1080 (D.C. Cir. 2003); see D&F Afonso Realty Trust v. Garvey, 216 F.3d 1191, 1195 (D.C. Cir. 2000) (quoting Public Citizen, Inc. v. F.A.A., 988 F.2d 186, 197 (D.C. Cir. 1993) ("'[t]he requirement that agency action not be arbitrary or capricious includes a requirement that the agency adequately explain its result . . . .'"). Here, the agency's shortcoming was its failure to articulate any rationale for finding that the relevant and significant evidence in the record that conflicted with its position was unpersuasive, which it seemingly out-of-hand dismissed merely because it was contrary to the agency's ultimate conclusion.
?
As to the appropriate remedy to impose for the agency's failing, the Court has discretion to choose between vacatur of the agency's decision or remand to the agency without vacatur. See Advocates for Highway & Auto Safety v. Fed. Motor Carrier Safety Admin., 429 F.3d 1136, 1151 (D.C. Cir. 2005) (quoting Allied-Signal, Inc. v. U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Comm'n, 988 F.2d 146, 150-51 (D.C. Cir.1993) ("[T]his court is not without discretion. 'The decision whether to vacate depends on the seriousness of the order's deficiency . . . and the disruptive consequences of an interim change that may itself be changed.'"). Considering the number of years that have elapsed during which time the plaintiffs have awaited final resolution of the merits of their claims, the fact that this matter has already been remanded once to the agency for further action consistent with the Circuit's decision, and it appearing that vacating the agency's decision will not pose any serious threat to the public's health or safety, the Court will vacate the agency's decision to classify APCP is an explosive pursuant to 18 U.S.C. ? 841(d).?
[Should the defendant choose to reinstate the policy that ACPC is properly classifiable as an explosive within the meaning of 18 U.S.C. ? 841(d), nothing in this decision prevents it from redrafting this rule in accordance with the tenets of the APA or from seeking an explicit statutory classification from Congress.]
Because the plaintiffs have conceded that were the Court to grant summary judgment in their favor on Count One of their third amended complaint "will moot all of remaining counts" of their complaint, Plaintiffs' Memorandum of Points and Authorities in Support of Motion for Summary Judgment on Count 1 at 1-2 n.1, the Court having now granted summary judgment on Count One will dismiss all the plaintiffs' remaining counts of the complaint as moot.?
Accordingly, it is hereby
ORDERED that the plaintiffs' motion for summary judgment is GRANTED. It is further?
ORDERED that the defendant's motion for summary judgment is DENIED. It is further?
ORDERED that the defendant's decision to classify APCP as an explosive under 18 U.S.C. ? 841(d) is VACATED. It is further?
ORDERED that the remaining counts of plaintiffs' third amended complaint are DISMISSED as moot and therefore this case is dismissed in its entirety.?
SO ORDERED this 16th day of March, 2009.
?
_________/s/______________?
REGGIE B. WALTON?
United States District Judge?

From carl at mousetrap.com  Mon Mar 16 18:10:58 2009
From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:10:58 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
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Wahoo! We even made Slashdot:
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/16/2139211&from=rss

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Terry Moore-Read <terry at mooreread.com>wrote:

> I don't think so ... the state only got involved because their
> approval is required to get the federal permit
> On Mar 16, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Bryon Schopp wrote:
>
> > What about the State Regs?  Are we still going to have to deal with
> > Washington State L&I under state law?  They have become a bigger
> > hassle than the BATFE.
> >
> > Bryon
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Moore-Read" <
> terry at mooreread.com
> > >
> > To: "Hammer" <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
> > Cc: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
> >
> >
> >> Right now APCP is off the explosives list - case is over.   Future
> >> depends on ATFs next move - they can do proper testing and try to
> >> write proper rules (next to impossible given the burn rate issue) or
> >> seek legislative changes.
> >>
> >> On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Hammer wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't have time to read the decision right now, so could some one
> >>> come
> >>> up with an accurate summary and interpretation of it and the
> >>> regulatory
> >>> implications in the short and long term for hobby rocketry?  Then we
> >>> can
> >>> debate and argue the merits and demerits of the decision with zest
> >>> and
> >>> gusto!
> >>>
> >>> Just because we won a battle doesn't mean we won the war.
> >>>
> >>> Robert
> >>>
> >>> Scott T Bowers wrote:
> >>>> Believe it or not, I think we won!
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
> >>>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>> Scott T. Bowers
> >>>> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
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On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Terry Moore-Read
< mailto:terry at mooreread.com terry at mooreread.com
>
wrote:
I don't think so ... the state only got involved because their
approval is required to get the federal permit
On Mar 16, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Bryon Schopp wrote:
> What about the State Regs? ?Are we still going to have to deal with
> Washington State L&I under state law? ?They have become a bigger
> hassle than the BATFE.
>
> Bryon
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Moore-Read" < mailto:terry at mooreread.com terry at mooreread.com
> >
> To: "Hammer" < mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>
> Cc: "NW Rocketry mailing list" < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
>
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
>
>
>> Right now APCP is off the explosives list - case is over. ? Future
>> depends on ATFs next move - they can do proper testing and try to
>> write proper rules (next to impossible given the burn rate issue) or
>> seek legislative changes.
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Hammer wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have time to read the decision right now, so could some one
>>> come
>>> up with an accurate summary and interpretation of it and the
>>> regulatory
>>> implications in the short and long term for hobby rocketry? ?Then we
>>> can
>>> debate and argue the merits and demerits of the decision with zest
>>> and
>>> gusto!
>>>
>>> Just because we won a battle doesn't mean we won the war.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Scott T Bowers wrote:
>>>> Believe it or not, I think we won!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>>>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Scott T. Bowers
>>>> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ http://www.scottsrockets.com/
http://www.scottsrockets.com www.scottsrockets.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Mon Mar 16 18:37:10 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:37:10 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] So....
Message-ID: <89F1F6A3C13247F08D11CB9646F3E618@Mobile2>

Who besides me is really wanting to drive a K reload across state lines
without a permit?
 
Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/> 
 
 
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Who besides me is really wanting to drive a?K reload across state lines without a permit?
?
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
?
?

From bjarchow at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 18:40:28 2009
From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:40:28 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
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Great news!

Now all we need is a decent field in western Washington...
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Now all we need is a decent field in western Washington...

From bjarchow at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 18:48:16 2009
From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:48:16 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] So....
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Considering that I have never launched anything bigger than a J420, I would
love to drive to Tammies to pick up a J415 or K513 then take it to Mansfield
for a launch.

If only I could arrange that much time away...


2009/3/16 Scott T Bowers <scott at scottsrockets.com>

> Who besides me is really wanting to drive a K reload across state lines
> without a permit?
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
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If only I could arrange that much time away...
2009/3/16 Scott T Bowers
< mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com scott at scottsrockets.com
>
Who besides me is really wanting to drive a?K reload across state lines without a permit?
?
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com/ http://www.scottsrockets.com/
http://www.scottsrockets.com www.scottsrockets.com
?

From winningstad at comcast.net  Mon Mar 16 19:11:05 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:11:05 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] So....
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References: <89F1F6A3C13247F08D11CB9646F3E618@Mobile2>
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What permit?

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:37 PM
To: 'Tripoli Members Forum'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: [RocketsNW] So....

Who besides me is really wanting to drive a K reload across state lines
without a permit?
 
Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/> 
 
 


From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Mon Mar 16 19:59:51 2009
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:59:51 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] [TRA] So....
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I feel like just putting a few motors in the car for the next several days, JUST BECAUSE I CAN!

B

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:37 PM
To: 'Tripoli Members Forum'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
Subject: [TRA] So....

Who besides me is really wanting to drive a K reload across state lines
without a permit?

Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/>




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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Mon Mar 16 20:45:08 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:45:08 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Preliminary Message on the Court Decision
In-Reply-To: <B57F747DAB87F049A23DBE0CDD900BC6250019@awstats.tripoli.org>
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Message-ID: <929CBFA55C3549D7A555D030FB0138EC@Mobile2>

 Reposted with permission.


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 
All:

I will be sending a message to Prefects tonight to make sure all are aware
of the court decision.  As you all may infer from the previous joint
statement, we expected that Judge Walton was going to write this opinion
next month, not the next business day after the hearing.... not that I am
complaining!

What I had not stated explicitly until now is that near the end of the
hearing, Judge Walton said, straight out, that he was ruling in favor of the
plaintiff (us) and against the defendant (BATFE)on the motions for summary
judgment.  We were surprised that he made this ruling right there.  But we
were also concerned on how exactly he would write his opinion.   Thus we
didn't want to get everyone too over-the-top until we understood how he
would actually write it.

The judge's rapid turnaround, and the full victory the opinion defines, has
meant that Trip Barber and I have not had a chance to further confer with
counsel on what this ruling means in terms of the details and timing of
working out of BATFE enforcement. We are in communication at this time, and
hope to issue a joint statement on these matters within the next day or two.

Ken Good   



From terry at mooreread.com  Mon Mar 16 20:58:48 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:58:48 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] So....
In-Reply-To: <89F1F6A3C13247F08D11CB9646F3E618@Mobile2>
References: <89F1F6A3C13247F08D11CB9646F3E618@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <E2BB1291-9EA4-409C-B18B-CDDE672A04E2@mooreread.com>

Road trip to the aerotech factory ?

On Mar 16, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Scott T Bowers wrote:

> Who besides me is really wanting to drive a K reload across state  
> lines without a permit?
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets


From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 21:23:17 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:23:17 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Preliminary Message on the Court Decision
References: <B57F747DAB87F049A23DBE0CDD900BC6250019@awstats.tripoli.org>
	<929CBFA55C3549D7A555D030FB0138EC@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <00eb01c9a6b8$197374c0$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>

Both Ken and Trip should make a day from a club standpoint, both NAR and TRA 
that March 16th is an official day for model, sport amatuer, high power, and 
research rocketry. 9-year battle is over. More to come? Maybe. But for right 
now our freedoms ring. We should set this date/day March 16th as a special 
day for Rocketry.

Should we as a volunteer organization consider March 16th our "Rocketry 
Day?" Will you back the idea? You think you can get Ken onboard?

Been a great day for news. Sorry if I'm copying too many in this email.

Cheers,
Robert 


From jim at jmw29221.com  Mon Mar 16 21:41:30 2009
From: jim at jmw29221.com (Jim Wilkerson)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:41:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] So....
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I've done that, back in 2004.  I was returning from three months of AF
training (including a weekend off to get my L3 cert by Pat Gordzelik at
Wayside), and Cedar City just happened to make a good stopover point.  I
packed the car full of reloads and ferried them to Chris and Jane at Acme
the next day.  It's pretty neat driving up to the site and seeing
"Aerotech/RCS" and the logo on the side of their building.

Regards
Jim

> Road trip to the aerotech factory ?
>
> On Mar 16, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Scott T Bowers wrote:
>
>> Who besides me is really wanting to drive a K reload across state
>> lines without a permit?
>>
>> Scott T. Bowers
>> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
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From fred at azinger.com  Mon Mar 16 22:53:50 2009
From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:53:50 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Celebratory test burn
Message-ID: <002201c9a6c4$bf67c6e0$3e3754a0$@com>

Got together with the boys and burned a little NON-EXPLOSIVE material.

Thought it was worth a posting a picture.

 

Was a 3G75 of my FGS Slow-Burn -- left over grains from the batch for our
Nike Apache sustainer motor from Balls.

I should have roughed up the grain -- had a mean chuff that made us think we
lost the nozzle.

But it hung tough and gave a nice burn.

 

Video to follow....

See: http://www.northwestrocketry.com/uploads/DSC_3544-sml.jpg

 

Hope you all enjoyed the evening -- I know I did.

Cheers,

FredA

 

-------------- next part --------------
Got together with the boys and burned a little NON-EXPLOSIVE material.
Thought it was worth a posting a picture.
?
Was a 3G75 of my FGS Slow-Burn -- left over grains from the batch for our Nike Apache sustainer motor from Balls.
I should have roughed up the grain -- had a mean chuff that made us think we lost the nozzle.
But it hung tough and gave a nice burn.
?
Video to follow....
See: http://www.northwestrocketry.com/uploads/DSC_3544-sml.jpg http://www.northwestrocketry.com/uploads/DSC_3544-sml.jpg
?
Hope you all enjoyed the evening -- I know I did.
Cheers,
FredA
?

From jhadv at pacifier.com  Tue Mar 17 08:11:27 2009
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:11:27 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.321.1237238816.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090317080315.00c1da50@mail.iinet.com>

Congratulations legal team I never thought we would get this far.  As to 
what the BATFE does next were I them I would go to congress and ask that 
APCP be added to the list of chemicals under the definitions section of the 
act.  If I am not mistaken raw NH4ClO4 is already on there and it was APCP 
that was at issue.  Now we get to see how congressional riders and earmarks 
work.  The way they get the law changed is that in conference committee on 
some bill, could be any bill, some congressman or senator in the conference 
committee adds language that adds APCP to the list under the act the act 
passes without anyone noticing, the AFT goes to enforce people ask who did 
this and nobody knows because it was a rider.  Anyway I would not let the 
win go to our heads and if they are in a mood to cut a deal on what 
constitutes reasonable regulation I still think we should pursue that 
avenue.  In the meanwhile however one might want to buy a few motors here 
and there for as of today they are not "explosives."   


From scott at scottsrockets.com  Tue Mar 17 08:27:19 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:27:19 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090317080315.00c1da50@mail.iinet.com>
References: <mailman.321.1237238816.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20090317080315.00c1da50@mail.iinet.com>
Message-ID: <E2E8EA9C765A49939B4441D6E2691B38@Mobile2>

Well, there are reasons the scenarios you list below will not be likely to
happen, I wont go into them as they have been covered extensively by the BOD
on the TRA list. I really hate to see lets go cut a deal with the ATF, we
tried many many years ago and many many dollars ago. We didn't win just a
little temporary victory, we won hands down. The burden has shifted to the
ATF and the burden is considerable.


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:11 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

Congratulations legal team I never thought we would get this far.  As to
what the BATFE does next were I them I would go to congress and ask that
APCP be added to the list of chemicals under the definitions section of the
act.  If I am not mistaken raw NH4ClO4 is already on there and it was APCP
that was at issue.  Now we get to see how congressional riders and earmarks
work.  The way they get the law changed is that in conference committee on
some bill, could be any bill, some congressman or senator in the conference
committee adds language that adds APCP to the list under the act the act
passes without anyone noticing, the AFT goes to enforce people ask who did
this and nobody knows because it was a rider.  Anyway I would not let the
win go to our heads and if they are in a mood to cut a deal on what
constitutes reasonable regulation I still think we should pursue that
avenue.  In the meanwhile however one might want to buy a few motors here 
and there for as of today they are not "explosives."   

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From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com  Tue Mar 17 08:35:34 2009
From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:35:34 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
In-Reply-To: <E2E8EA9C765A49939B4441D6E2691B38@Mobile2>
References: <mailman.321.1237238816.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com><5.2.0.9.2.20090317080315.00c1da50@mail.iinet.com>
	<E2E8EA9C765A49939B4441D6E2691B38@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121A9C@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com>

I think it should be illegal to put a bomb in a rocket and launch it at
people.

Oh, it already is. Never mind.


I agree with Scott. There is considerable burden, not only legally, but
practically as well. If someone were to build a WRD (Weapon of Rocket
Distruction), they will have committed several illegal acts. The fact
that the motor isn't regulated is irrelevant.

Investigating crimes with rockets already falls under the jurisdiction
of several local, state, and federal agencies. BATF doesn't have much to
go on.

steve 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:27 AM
To: 'Paul Bogdanich'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

Well, there are reasons the scenarios you list below will not be likely
to happen, I wont go into them as they have been covered extensively by
the BOD on the TRA list. I really hate to see lets go cut a deal with
the ATF, we tried many many years ago and many many dollars ago. We
didn't win just a little temporary victory, we won hands down. The
burden has shifted to the ATF and the burden is considerable.


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:11 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

Congratulations legal team I never thought we would get this far.  As to
what the BATFE does next were I them I would go to congress and ask that
APCP be added to the list of chemicals under the definitions section of
the act.  If I am not mistaken raw NH4ClO4 is already on there and it
was APCP that was at issue.  Now we get to see how congressional riders
and earmarks work.  The way they get the law changed is that in
conference committee on some bill, could be any bill, some congressman
or senator in the conference committee adds language that adds APCP to
the list under the act the act passes without anyone noticing, the AFT
goes to enforce people ask who did this and nobody knows because it was
a rider.  Anyway I would not let the win go to our heads and if they are
in a mood to cut a deal on what constitutes reasonable regulation I
still think we should pursue that avenue.  In the meanwhile however one
might want to buy a few motors here 
and there for as of today they are not "explosives."   

_______________________________________________
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http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  

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From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com  Tue Mar 17 08:43:25 2009
From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:43:25 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!
In-Reply-To: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121A9C@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com>
References: <mailman.321.1237238816.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com><5.2.0.9.2.20090317080315.00c1da50@mail.iinet.com><E2E8EA9C765A49939B4441D6E2691B38@Mobile2>
	<355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121A9C@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com>
Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121A9F@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com>

Destruction, yeah yeah, I no how to spell.

:>) 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bloom, Steven E 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:36 AM
To: Scott T Bowers; Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

I think it should be illegal to put a bomb in a rocket and launch it at
people.

Oh, it already is. Never mind.


I agree with Scott. There is considerable burden, not only legally, but
practically as well. If someone were to build a WRD (Weapon of Rocket
Distruction), they will have committed several illegal acts. The fact
that the motor isn't regulated is irrelevant.

Investigating crimes with rockets already falls under the jurisdiction
of several local, state, and federal agencies. BATF doesn't have much to
go on.

steve 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:27 AM
To: 'Paul Bogdanich'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

Well, there are reasons the scenarios you list below will not be likely
to happen, I wont go into them as they have been covered extensively by
the BOD on the TRA list. I really hate to see lets go cut a deal with
the ATF, we tried many many years ago and many many dollars ago. We
didn't win just a little temporary victory, we won hands down. The
burden has shifted to the ATF and the burden is considerable.


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:11 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won!

Congratulations legal team I never thought we would get this far.  As to
what the BATFE does next were I them I would go to congress and ask that
APCP be added to the list of chemicals under the definitions section of
the act.  If I am not mistaken raw NH4ClO4 is already on there and it
was APCP that was at issue.  Now we get to see how congressional riders
and earmarks work.  The way they get the law changed is that in
conference committee on some bill, could be any bill, some congressman
or senator in the conference committee adds language that adds APCP to
the list under the act the act passes without anyone noticing, the AFT
goes to enforce people ask who did this and nobody knows because it was
a rider.  Anyway I would not let the win go to our heads and if they are
in a mood to cut a deal on what constitutes reasonable regulation I
still think we should pursue that avenue.  In the meanwhile however one
might want to buy a few motors here 
and there for as of today they are not "explosives."   

_______________________________________________
Rockets mailing list
Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  

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From jhadv at pacifier.com  Tue Mar 17 09:26:39 2009
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:26:39 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won
In-Reply-To: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121A9C@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos
	.boeing.com>
References: <E2E8EA9C765A49939B4441D6E2691B38@Mobile2>
	<mailman.321.1237238816.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20090317080315.00c1da50@mail.iinet.com>
	<E2E8EA9C765A49939B4441D6E2691B38@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090317085916.00c1d410@mail.iinet.com>

I hope all of you are right but I still think its unrealistic to expect 
that the ATF will just drop the whole issue and go away without any further 
action.  It's like that one scene from a Cheech and Chong movie where they 
get pulled over and Cheech says to Chong "Oh man I can't believe you got us 
arrested."  And Chong says "Maybe he won't arrest us."  And Cheech says, 
"Sure like he's just going to come up here and say o.k. you two guys can 
go."  So the cop comes up to the car and after breathing some smoke from 
somewhere says, "O.k. you two guys can go."  It could happen.  Its 
possible.  But I doubt it.  The N and larger motors are simply too powerful 
/ hazardous not to be regulated.  When the case was litigated a J motor was 
big.  Not anymore.  Anyway like I said I hope I am wrong but we shall see.   


From scott at scottsrockets.com  Tue Mar 17 10:20:42 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:20:42 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090317085916.00c1d410@mail.iinet.com>
References: <E2E8EA9C765A49939B4441D6E2691B38@Mobile2>
	<mailman.321.1237238816.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20090317080315.00c1da50@mail.iinet.com>
	<E2E8EA9C765A49939B4441D6E2691B38@Mobile2>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20090317085916.00c1d410@mail.iinet.com>
Message-ID: <0178A3C3EC98415189CC5482F58953FC@Mobile2>

Oh, there were N motors when this started. I would argue that N motors are
too powerful and hazardous. They are a lot less hazardous than many items
regularly kept in garages. If we think powerful and hazardous stuff needs to
be regulated then we need to add gasoline, flour, sawdust, lawnmowers, cars,
paint thinner, carpet flashes at the right temperature, trees, dry grass,
nail guns, well, you get my point.

We have a certification process in place, we are fine. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bogdanich [mailto:jhadv at pacifier.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:27 AM
To: Bloom, Steven E; Scott T Bowers; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE:Court case-we won

I hope all of you are right but I still think its unrealistic to expect that
the ATF will just drop the whole issue and go away without any further
action.  It's like that one scene from a Cheech and Chong movie where they
get pulled over and Cheech says to Chong "Oh man I can't believe you got us
arrested."  And Chong says "Maybe he won't arrest us."  And Cheech says,
"Sure like he's just going to come up here and say o.k. you two guys can
go."  So the cop comes up to the car and after breathing some smoke from
somewhere says, "O.k. you two guys can go."  It could happen.  Its possible.
But I doubt it.  The N and larger motors are simply too powerful / hazardous
not to be regulated.  When the case was litigated a J motor was 
big.  Not anymore.  Anyway like I said I hope I am wrong but we shall see.




From raystoner99 at comcast.net  Tue Mar 17 10:29:12 2009
From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (raystoner99 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:29:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won
In-Reply-To: <199830596.1543131237310636162.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1939494795.1546081237310952612.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I've resisted replying just because of the email storm going on...and I didn't really want to add to it. 

Now that APCP is NOT and explosive, the ATF has no room to make any regulations about it without rule changes, an appeal that is found in their favor or congressional action. Other agencies aren't prepared for the change and likely don't even know about it. Additional regulation from them is, in my opinion, unlikely. 

Therefore, they have no ability to apply any regulations to APCP, its outside of their jurisdiction now. They can't tell us how to store, handle, transport, use it or anything else. 

I see a three avenues for them to get APCP back into their fold. 

1. A new rule. This won't be easy for them. The judge was very clear about saying that they must define burn rate thresholds and apply good science to what they've done. They will have to be able to JUSTIFY regulation of APCP in the future. They aren't allowed to say its and explosive because we said it is. They will have to be very careful about how they write the rule, it can't just apply to APCP and must apply to all explosives. The risk of doing it wrong is that they'll eliminate some truly dangerous stuff and include some things that are benign. If they just go by burn rate, with no other qualifiers, they'll definately include things like Candles, gasoline, propane, etc. I'm sure they don't want to do that. If they start to put qualifiers like it must be a homogenous mixture of fuel and oxidizer AND have a burn rate above X, then they'll include things like Nitrous Oxide, Nitromethane and anything that will burn in the absense of atmosperice O2 that has a burn rate higher than our typical propellants. It not an insignificant task to INCLUDE APCP and EXCLUDE commonly used items. We know that this is because APCP isn't an explosive. 

2. Congressional Action. I personally think this is a long shot. Who in Congress is going to add this to a bill they want passed? It may go through under the radar, but we are watching now. I believe that all we would need to do is reference the court case and why APCP was declared non-explosive and why, and it would either be removed from the bill, or the bill would be shot down. There is a lot of risk on both sides of failure, so why pursue that? 

3. Appeal the decision. I can't imagine that this will be successful either. The science our side presented was pretty compelling. Evidence to the contrary just isn't available. There isn't much evidence around the world that rocket motors containing APCP as used in our hobby has ever been used for terrorist activities of any kind, and even if there was, that doesn't make it an explosive. There are already laws against this type of activity that would cover the illegal use of APCP. Think of a molatov cocktail, the materials used in making those aren't regulated. 

I supose the regulation of AP could be expanded, but not without effort. Currently AP is on the explosive list, but only for particle sizes less than 20 microns. Below that level AP really is an explosive, and is justified being on the list...however, its going to be pretty hard to demonstrate that AP is explosive above that particle size. 

I'm just glad that after years of useless regulation that we are finally clear of it, even if its only for a little while. 

I've rambled on long enough...so I'll quit. 

Ray 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Bogdanich" <jhadv at pacifier.com> 
To: "Steven E Bloom" <steven.e.bloom at boeing.com>, "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>, rockets at rocketsnw.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:26:39 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won 

I hope all of you are right but I still think its unrealistic to expect 
that the ATF will just drop the whole issue and go away without any further 
action. It's like that one scene from a Cheech and Chong movie where they 
get pulled over and Cheech says to Chong "Oh man I can't believe you got us 
arrested." And Chong says "Maybe he won't arrest us." And Cheech says, 
"Sure like he's just going to come up here and say o.k. you two guys can 
go." So the cop comes up to the car and after breathing some smoke from 
somewhere says, "O.k. you two guys can go." It could happen. Its 
possible. But I doubt it. The N and larger motors are simply too powerful 
/ hazardous not to be regulated. When the case was litigated a J motor was 
big. Not anymore. Anyway like I said I hope I am wrong but we shall see. 

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http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 

-------------- next part --------------
I've resisted replying just because of the email storm going on...and I didn't really want to add to it.
Now that APCP is NOT and explosive, the ATF has no room to make any regulations about it without rule changes, an appeal that is found in their favor or congressional action.? Other agencies aren't prepared for the change and likely don't even know about it.? Additional regulation from them is, in my opinion, unlikely.
Therefore, they have no ability to apply any regulations to APCP, its outside of their jurisdiction now.? They can't tell us how to store, handle, transport, use it or anything else.
I see a three avenues for them to get APCP back into their fold.
1.? A new rule.? This won't be easy for them.? The judge was very clear about saying that they must define burn rate thresholds and apply good science to what they've done.? They will have to be able to JUSTIFY regulation of APCP in the future.? They aren't allowed to say its and explosive because we said it is.? They will have to be very careful about how they write the rule, it can't just apply to APCP and must apply to all explosives.? The risk of doing it wrong is that they'll eliminate some truly dangerous stuff and include some things that are benign.? If they just go by burn rate, with no other qualifiers, they'll definately include things like Candles, gasoline, propane, etc.? I'm sure they don't want to do that.? If they start to put qualifiers like it must be a homogenous mixture of fuel and oxidizer AND have a burn rate above X, then they'll include things like Nitrous Oxide, Nitromethane and anything that will burn in the absense of atmosperice O2 that has a burn rate higher than our typical propellants.? It not an insignificant task to INCLUDE APCP and EXCLUDE commonly used items.? We know that this is because APCP isn't an explosive.
2.? Congressional Action.? I personally think this is a long shot.? Who in Congress is going to add this to a bill they want passed?? It may go through under the radar, but we are watching now.? I believe that all we would need to do is reference the court case and why APCP was declared non-explosive and why, and it would either be removed from the bill, or the bill would be shot down.? There is a lot of risk on both sides of failure, so why pursue that?
3.? Appeal the decision.? I can't imagine that this will be successful either.? The science our side presented was pretty compelling.? Evidence to the contrary just isn't available.? There isn't much evidence around the world that rocket motors containing APCP as used in our hobby has ever been used for terrorist activities of any kind, and even if there was, that doesn't make it an explosive.? There are already laws against this type of activity that would cover the illegal use of APCP.? Think of a molatov cocktail, the materials used in making those aren't regulated.
I supose the regulation of AP could be expanded, but not without effort.? Currently AP is on the explosive list, but only for particle sizes less than 20 microns.? Below that level AP really is an explosive, and is justified being on the list...however, its going to be pretty hard to demonstrate that AP is explosive above that particle size.
I'm just glad that after years of useless regulation that we are finally clear of it, even if its only for a little while.
I've rambled on long enough...so I'll quit.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Bogdanich" <jhadv at pacifier.com>
To: "Steven E Bloom" <steven.e.bloom at boeing.com>, "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>, rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:26:39 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won
I hope all of you are right but I still think its unrealistic to expect
that the ATF will just drop the whole issue and go away without any further
action. ?It's like that one scene from a Cheech and Chong movie where they
get pulled over and Cheech says to Chong "Oh man I can't believe you got us
arrested." ?And Chong says "Maybe he won't arrest us." ?And Cheech says,
"Sure like he's just going to come up here and say o.k. you two guys can
go." ?So the cop comes up to the car and after breathing some smoke from
somewhere says, "O.k. you two guys can go." ?It could happen. ?Its
possible. ?But I doubt it. ?The N and larger motors are simply too powerful
/ hazardous not to be regulated. ?When the case was litigated a J motor was
big. ?Not anymore. ?Anyway like I said I hope I am wrong but we shall see. ?
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??

From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 17 10:38:06 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:38:06 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won
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References: <E2E8EA9C765A49939B4441D6E2691B38@Mobile2>	<mailman.321.1237238816.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>	<5.2.0.9.2.20090317080315.00c1da50@mail.iinet.com>	<E2E8EA9C765A49939B4441D6E2691B38@Mobile2>
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Bureaucrats
Always
Thinking
Forfeiture and
Extortion

Human nature dictates that those who lose power will do what is 
necessary to regain it and take some more.  As our government 
bureaucracies continue grow (government sprawl) and expand its powers of 
regulation and control, the agencies by their collective will, will 
eventually take America down like the Mandarins did to the world 
superpower of 1000 years ago, China.

No superpower, business or citizen is too big or powerful to be 
regulated out of existence for the bureaucrat.

When you see the BATFE is soliciting to obtain special-colored 
Leatherman multi-tools, engraved with slogans exhorting their goons to 
strive for asset forfeiture, showing a consistent pattern of pressing 
for more restrictive gun legislation and stricter interpretations of 
existing gun laws, forcing honest gun dealers and gunsmiths out of 
business, attacking BATFE dissenters with trumped-up charges, burning to 
death over 80 people at Waco, shooting a mother while holding her child 
at Ruby Ridge, killing unarmed and armed law-abiding citizens in wrong 
house dynamic raids, and other similar actions, I am pretty sure that 
they will not back down on this issue of APCP control and regulation in 
either a subversive or obversive way.

No doubt, there are still people working for the BATFE who are 
reputable, but the agency's whole mission and focus has so turned 
against the citizens of the United States that I have little respect for 
what it is doing now.

If you want to read about how abusive this agency has become from its 
humble beginnings check these websites out.
http://www.atfabuse.com/
https://www.elfie.org/~croaker/individ.html
http://www.firearmscoalition.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=155&Itemid=110
http://armedandsafe.blogspot.com/2006/09/atf-legacy-of-abuse-continues.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel020503.asp
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ade_1216506878
http://www.batf.com/croaker/individ.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1606559/posts
https://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=313842
http://www.jpfo.net/filegen-a-m/movieplay-batfe-reckless.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPMv4PdRcTc
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58353

Don't worry!  They'll be back!

Robert

Paul Bogdanich wrote:
> I hope all of you are right but I still think its unrealistic to expect 
> that the ATF will just drop the whole issue and go away without any further 
> action.  It's like that one scene from a Cheech and Chong movie where they 
> get pulled over and Cheech says to Chong "Oh man I can't believe you got us 
> arrested."  And Chong says "Maybe he won't arrest us."  And Cheech says, 
> "Sure like he's just going to come up here and say o.k. you two guys can 
> go."  So the cop comes up to the car and after breathing some smoke from 
> somewhere says, "O.k. you two guys can go."  It could happen.  Its 
> possible.  But I doubt it.  The N and larger motors are simply too powerful 
> / hazardous not to be regulated.  When the case was litigated a J motor was 
> big.  Not anymore.  Anyway like I said I hope I am wrong but we shall see.   
>
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>
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From jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 17 11:33:54 2009
From: jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com (Jack Anderson)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:33:54 -0600
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
In-Reply-To: <e068dfbd0903161810t6d92f7cdmde4606c571b4d134@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2><49BEAC9F.1020201@earthlink.net><E9D6546F-3045-4E2C-B46C-B6989FFD9074@mooreread.com><BA0B8362E53A44D09DE47205FE839BC4@MEDIONDeskTop><8DA1EBC5-85ED-480D-9306-38C21C1B2DA1@mooreread.com>
	<e068dfbd0903161810t6d92f7cdmde4606c571b4d134@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU137-DS32CB0A9791BD2DDACB4F4F0980@phx.gbl>

So will this change the availability of APCP motors at hobby stores.  I 
assume that if APCP is not an explosive then anywhere that currently sells 
Estes rockets and supplies could start selling Aerotech, AMW, and Cesaroni. 
Will I start seeing K500s at Hobby Town or even Walmart? 


From scott at scottsrockets.com  Tue Mar 17 11:39:04 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:39:04 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
In-Reply-To: <BLU137-DS32CB0A9791BD2DDACB4F4F0980@phx.gbl>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2><49BEAC9F.1020201@earthlink.net><E9D6546F-3045-4E2C-B46C-B6989FFD9074@mooreread.com><BA0B8362E53A44D09DE47205FE839BC4@MEDIONDeskTop><8DA1EBC5-85ED-480D-9306-38C21C1B2DA1@mooreread.com><e068dfbd0903161810t6d92f7cdmde4606c571b4d134@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU137-DS32CB0A9791BD2DDACB4F4F0980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <408044253FED469485FC81EF4BEE067C@Mobile2>

 
I imagine they will be more available from hobby stores, but I doubt Wally
World will have them. The manufacturers will want to be sure that vendors
are sticking to certification guidelines. It will definitely make it easier
for our current vendors to sell at launches.

Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Jack Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:34 AM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case

So will this change the availability of APCP motors at hobby stores.  I
assume that if APCP is not an explosive then anywhere that currently sells
Estes rockets and supplies could start selling Aerotech, AMW, and Cesaroni. 
Will I start seeing K500s at Hobby Town or even Walmart? 

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From Mfreptiles at aol.com  Tue Mar 17 11:47:06 2009
From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:47:06 EDT
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case-we won
Message-ID: <bc6.3edf9573.36f14a2a@aol.com>

Say what?  Is there such a thing as "too powerful"?  That would  have been a 
great argument for the ATF.  APCP is APCP no matter the size of  the 
grain/motor.  I've yet to see an N or larger APCP motor that I  considered "hazardous". 
 
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 3/17/2009 9:27:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
jhadv at pacifier.com writes:

The N  and larger motors are simply too powerful 
/ hazardous not to be  regulated. 

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Say what?? Is there such a thing as "too powerful"?? That would have been a great argument for the ATF.? APCP is APCP no matter the size of the grain/motor.? I've yet to see an N or larger APCP motor that I considered "hazardous".?
?
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In a message dated 3/17/2009 9:27:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhadv at pacifier.com writes:
The N and larger motors are simply too powerful
/ hazardous not to be regulated.?
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From jhadv at pacifier.com  Tue Mar 17 12:00:00 2009
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:00:00 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Lawsuit
In-Reply-To: <mailman.350.1237315156.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090317115248.00c16ce0@mail.iinet.com>

In reading Ken Good's e-mail I see where he said the judge basically 
announced to the parties last Friday that he was going to rule in our 
favor.  Then Mr. Good says he was surprised that the judge put the ruling 
out the following business day.  I bet the judge had the opinion already 
written and was waiting for an opportunity to issue the ruling that assured 
that there would be no press coverage with some garbage headline (aren't 
they all) like, "Activist Judge says Government can't Regulate 
Missiles."  Forget the fact that this is wholly inaccurate this is a 
headline we are talking about.  Anyway so there sits the judge waiting for 
political cover and low and behold the next day Saturday it is revealed 
that Bernanke, Geithner and Summers, and by extension the President, were 
played for a bunch of chumps by AIG management as they stole an additional 
165 million.  What a perfect opportunity to ensure absolutely no press 
whatsoever.  I think he saw an opportunity and took it.  


From carl at mousetrap.com  Tue Mar 17 12:30:19 2009
From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:30:19 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP renewal
Message-ID: <e068dfbd0903171230g7af61c29w319fdabc5180435f@mail.gmail.com>

I just received a friendly piece of email from a local ATF agent asking for
a time to discuss renewing my LEUP. My permit is good through August 1st,
2009, so this seems a little early for renewal, but not terribly early. I'm
wondering if this communication is in response to Judge Walton's decision or
whether the timing is just a coincidence. Has anybody else heard from their
local ATF agent since the judgment was announced?
I plan to delay my meeting for at least a few days to see what the NAR/TRA
legal team has to say about the fallout of the judgment, but am still curios
to hear about others' experiences.

Please don't hijack this thread and start railing on the ATF agents. I'm
sure they are just doing their job.

 - Carl
-------------- next part --------------
I plan to delay my meeting for at least a few days to see what the NAR/TRA legal team has to say about the fallout of the judgment, but am still curios to hear about others' experiences.
Please don't hijack this thread and start railing on the ATF agents. I'm sure they are just doing their job.
?- Carl

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Tue Mar 17 12:56:06 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:56:06 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW:  LEUP renewal
Message-ID: <13916B0443484F94A40E4D7A68F1754D@Mobile2>



I would tell him you would like to wait a bit and get advice from our legal
team now that APCP is not an explosive, and you may not need to renew. Be
polite and truthful. Continue to keep your records until we do hear from the
legal team. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Carl Hamilton
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:30 PM
To: NorthWest Rocketry
Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP renewal

I just received a friendly piece of email from a local ATF agent asking for
a time to discuss renewing my LEUP. My permit is good through August 1st,
2009, so this seems a little early for renewal, but not terribly early. I'm
wondering if this communication is in response to Judge Walton's decision or
whether the timing is just a coincidence. Has anybody else heard from their
local ATF agent since the judgment was announced?
I plan to delay my meeting for at least a few days to see what the NAR/TRA
legal team has to say about the fallout of the judgment, but am still curios
to hear about others' experiences.

Please don't hijack this thread and start railing on the ATF agents. I'm
sure they are just doing their job.

 - Carl


From fred.azinger at intel.com  Tue Mar 17 13:10:41 2009
From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:10:41 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW:  LEUP renewal
In-Reply-To: <13916B0443484F94A40E4D7A68F1754D@Mobile2>
References: <13916B0443484F94A40E4D7A68F1754D@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FB4E403@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>

Renew -- how can you not?  
Unless you are planning to fly commercial only with motor eject, you are going to need your LEUP to buy e-matches and igniters.
If you already have a LEUP, renew so you can continue to buy these items.

Otherwise you'll join the "common, unwashed masses"... people who need to wander around launches scrounging and begging for e-matches.....

Keep you papers... So you too can be one of the people [continuing] to help those who can't get a LEUP...

For those who have been to lazy to get your LEUP, what are you using for deployment?  Why is OK for you to be a mooch?  I like to help enable people to fly....but there is a limit.....  Now that everyone can fly (motor eject) I think I'll be taking a harder look at who wants LEUP-Buddy help and why.  If you want to fly electronics but just haven't bothered with your LEUP I'll be suggesting you stick to motor eject....

My Opinion....
FredA



-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:56 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal



I would tell him you would like to wait a bit and get advice from our legal
team now that APCP is not an explosive, and you may not need to renew. Be
polite and truthful. Continue to keep your records until we do hear from the
legal team. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Carl Hamilton
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:30 PM
To: NorthWest Rocketry
Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP renewal

I just received a friendly piece of email from a local ATF agent asking for
a time to discuss renewing my LEUP. My permit is good through August 1st,
2009, so this seems a little early for renewal, but not terribly early. I'm
wondering if this communication is in response to Judge Walton's decision or
whether the timing is just a coincidence. Has anybody else heard from their
local ATF agent since the judgment was announced?
I plan to delay my meeting for at least a few days to see what the NAR/TRA
legal team has to say about the fallout of the judgment, but am still curios
to hear about others' experiences.

Please don't hijack this thread and start railing on the ATF agents. I'm
sure they are just doing their job.

 - Carl

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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Tue Mar 17 13:24:01 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:24:01 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW:  LEUP renewal
In-Reply-To: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FB4E403@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <13916B0443484F94A40E4D7A68F1754D@Mobile2>
	<F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FB4E403@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <A72FACF2C338451BA4EC5B416F3BFED9@Mobile2>

I am just gonna use the matches and igniters I make, no need for storage or
LEUP. Oh, and I have black powder guns around so I have BP around, if not, I
would get it out of a G motor package available without a LEUP.

Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:11 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal

Renew -- how can you not?  
Unless you are planning to fly commercial only with motor eject, you are
going to need your LEUP to buy e-matches and igniters.
If you already have a LEUP, renew so you can continue to buy these items.

Otherwise you'll join the "common, unwashed masses"... people who need to
wander around launches scrounging and begging for e-matches.....

Keep you papers... So you too can be one of the people [continuing] to help
those who can't get a LEUP...

For those who have been to lazy to get your LEUP, what are you using for
deployment?  Why is OK for you to be a mooch?  I like to help enable people
to fly....but there is a limit.....  Now that everyone can fly (motor eject)
I think I'll be taking a harder look at who wants LEUP-Buddy help and why.
If you want to fly electronics but just haven't bothered with your LEUP I'll
be suggesting you stick to motor eject....

My Opinion....
FredA



-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:56 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal



I would tell him you would like to wait a bit and get advice from our legal
team now that APCP is not an explosive, and you may not need to renew. Be
polite and truthful. Continue to keep your records until we do hear from the
legal team. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Carl Hamilton
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:30 PM
To: NorthWest Rocketry
Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP renewal

I just received a friendly piece of email from a local ATF agent asking for
a time to discuss renewing my LEUP. My permit is good through August 1st,
2009, so this seems a little early for renewal, but not terribly early. I'm
wondering if this communication is in response to Judge Walton's decision or
whether the timing is just a coincidence. Has anybody else heard from their
local ATF agent since the judgment was announced?
I plan to delay my meeting for at least a few days to see what the NAR/TRA
legal team has to say about the fallout of the judgment, but am still curios
to hear about others' experiences.

Please don't hijack this thread and start railing on the ATF agents. I'm
sure they are just doing their job.

 - Carl

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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Tue Mar 17 13:25:42 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:25:42 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW:  LEUP renewal
In-Reply-To: <000301c9a73d$056ef050$104cd0f0$@com>
References: <13916B0443484F94A40E4D7A68F1754D@Mobile2>
	<000301c9a73d$056ef050$104cd0f0$@com>
Message-ID: <0CAAA438C29C42849CD9F94E5CEB3A92@Mobile2>

Well, you have two options, renew or not. Regardless of whether APCP is an
explosive you still hold a permit. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hawkins [mailto:johnhawkins at wavecable.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:15 PM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal

I just got a phone call from ATF wanting to see my magazine this Thursday.
sounds to me they are trying to get everyone to renew their LEUP's quickly.
So I don't know what to do about this one now. Because he was pushing for
tomorrow but I couldn't make that one so he wanted Thursdays and didn't
really give me a choice on the matter. SO I have to meet him 8am at the
magazine. 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:56 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal



I would tell him you would like to wait a bit and get advice from our legal
team now that APCP is not an explosive, and you may not need to renew. Be
polite and truthful. Continue to keep your records until we do hear from the
legal team. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Carl Hamilton
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:30 PM
To: NorthWest Rocketry
Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP renewal

I just received a friendly piece of email from a local ATF agent asking for
a time to discuss renewing my LEUP. My permit is good through August 1st,
2009, so this seems a little early for renewal, but not terribly early. I'm
wondering if this communication is in response to Judge Walton's decision or
whether the timing is just a coincidence. Has anybody else heard from their
local ATF agent since the judgment was announced?
I plan to delay my meeting for at least a few days to see what the NAR/TRA
legal team has to say about the fallout of the judgment, but am still curios
to hear about others' experiences.

Please don't hijack this thread and start railing on the ATF agents. I'm
sure they are just doing their job.

 - Carl

_______________________________________________
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From fred.azinger at intel.com  Tue Mar 17 13:25:57 2009
From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:25:57 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW:  LEUP renewal
In-Reply-To: <A72FACF2C338451BA4EC5B416F3BFED9@Mobile2>
References: <13916B0443484F94A40E4D7A68F1754D@Mobile2>
	<F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FB4E403@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<A72FACF2C338451BA4EC5B416F3BFED9@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FB4E420@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>

Cool -- you have a plan -- no need to mooch.
Hope everyone has a plan.....since we can all get motors now.......
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:24 PM
To: Azinger, Fred; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal

I am just gonna use the matches and igniters I make, no need for storage or
LEUP. Oh, and I have black powder guns around so I have BP around, if not, I
would get it out of a G motor package available without a LEUP.

Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:11 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal

Renew -- how can you not?  
Unless you are planning to fly commercial only with motor eject, you are
going to need your LEUP to buy e-matches and igniters.
If you already have a LEUP, renew so you can continue to buy these items.

Otherwise you'll join the "common, unwashed masses"... people who need to
wander around launches scrounging and begging for e-matches.....

Keep you papers... So you too can be one of the people [continuing] to help
those who can't get a LEUP...

For those who have been to lazy to get your LEUP, what are you using for
deployment?  Why is OK for you to be a mooch?  I like to help enable people
to fly....but there is a limit.....  Now that everyone can fly (motor eject)
I think I'll be taking a harder look at who wants LEUP-Buddy help and why.
If you want to fly electronics but just haven't bothered with your LEUP I'll
be suggesting you stick to motor eject....

My Opinion....
FredA



-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:56 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal



I would tell him you would like to wait a bit and get advice from our legal
team now that APCP is not an explosive, and you may not need to renew. Be
polite and truthful. Continue to keep your records until we do hear from the
legal team. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Carl Hamilton
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:30 PM
To: NorthWest Rocketry
Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP renewal

I just received a friendly piece of email from a local ATF agent asking for
a time to discuss renewing my LEUP. My permit is good through August 1st,
2009, so this seems a little early for renewal, but not terribly early. I'm
wondering if this communication is in response to Judge Walton's decision or
whether the timing is just a coincidence. Has anybody else heard from their
local ATF agent since the judgment was announced?
I plan to delay my meeting for at least a few days to see what the NAR/TRA
legal team has to say about the fallout of the judgment, but am still curios
to hear about others' experiences.

Please don't hijack this thread and start railing on the ATF agents. I'm
sure they are just doing their job.

 - Carl

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http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Tue Mar 17 13:34:25 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:34:25 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW:  LEUP renewal
In-Reply-To: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FB4E420@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <13916B0443484F94A40E4D7A68F1754D@Mobile2>
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Kinda silly really, how are they going to differentiate between an igniter
supplied with a g motor and the one I use for deployment? Same with black
powder? How would they differentiate between a H motor igniter and an Estes
igniter? I guarantee I can rig an Estes igniter to light an M motor or
deploy my parachute.


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Azinger, Fred [mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:26 PM
To: Scott T Bowers; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal

Cool -- you have a plan -- no need to mooch.
Hope everyone has a plan.....since we can all get motors now.......
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:24 PM
To: Azinger, Fred; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal

I am just gonna use the matches and igniters I make, no need for storage or
LEUP. Oh, and I have black powder guns around so I have BP around, if not, I
would get it out of a G motor package available without a LEUP.

Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:11 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal

Renew -- how can you not?  
Unless you are planning to fly commercial only with motor eject, you are
going to need your LEUP to buy e-matches and igniters.
If you already have a LEUP, renew so you can continue to buy these items.

Otherwise you'll join the "common, unwashed masses"... people who need to
wander around launches scrounging and begging for e-matches.....

Keep you papers... So you too can be one of the people [continuing] to help
those who can't get a LEUP...

For those who have been to lazy to get your LEUP, what are you using for
deployment?  Why is OK for you to be a mooch?  I like to help enable people
to fly....but there is a limit.....  Now that everyone can fly (motor eject)
I think I'll be taking a harder look at who wants LEUP-Buddy help and why.
If you want to fly electronics but just haven't bothered with your LEUP I'll
be suggesting you stick to motor eject....

My Opinion....
FredA



-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:56 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal



I would tell him you would like to wait a bit and get advice from our legal
team now that APCP is not an explosive, and you may not need to renew. Be
polite and truthful. Continue to keep your records until we do hear from the
legal team. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Carl Hamilton
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:30 PM
To: NorthWest Rocketry
Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP renewal

I just received a friendly piece of email from a local ATF agent asking for
a time to discuss renewing my LEUP. My permit is good through August 1st,
2009, so this seems a little early for renewal, but not terribly early. I'm
wondering if this communication is in response to Judge Walton's decision or
whether the timing is just a coincidence. Has anybody else heard from their
local ATF agent since the judgment was announced?
I plan to delay my meeting for at least a few days to see what the NAR/TRA
legal team has to say about the fallout of the judgment, but am still curios
to hear about others' experiences.

Please don't hijack this thread and start railing on the ATF agents. I'm
sure they are just doing their job.

 - Carl

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From raystoner99 at comcast.net  Tue Mar 17 13:52:15 2009
From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (raystoner99 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:52:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW:  LEUP renewal
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Message-ID: <689173801.1651711237323135672.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I would suggest complying with the request for magazine inspection, at least while you still hold a LEUP and we haven't heard from the legal team at the NAR/TRA. I believe you still have an obligation to show compliance with your LEUP for when motors were considered explosives. I don't know how long you are required to keep records, but I wouldn't fire up the shredder just yet. 

I believe you gave them the right to inspect your magazine at will, without notice when you got your LEUP...I think they usually give notice as a courtesy, but aren't required to. 

At the very least I would inform NAR/Tripoli of your situation...just in case it turns out that this is becoming a "policy" 

Ray 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com> 
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:25:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal 

Well, you have two options, renew or not. Regardless of whether APCP is an 
explosive you still hold a permit. 


Scott T. Bowers 
www.scottsrockets.com 


-----Original Message----- 
From: John Hawkins [mailto:johnhawkins at wavecable.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:15 PM 
To: 'Scott T Bowers' 
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal 

I just got a phone call from ATF wanting to see my magazine this Thursday. 
sounds to me they are trying to get everyone to renew their LEUP's quickly. 
So I don't know what to do about this one now. Because he was pushing for 
tomorrow but I couldn't make that one so he wanted Thursdays and didn't 
really give me a choice on the matter. SO I have to meet him 8am at the 
magazine. 

-----Original Message----- 
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:56 PM 
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com 
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal 



I would tell him you would like to wait a bit and get advice from our legal 
team now that APCP is not an explosive, and you may not need to renew. Be 
polite and truthful. Continue to keep your records until we do hear from the 
legal team. 


Scott T. Bowers 
www.scottsrockets.com 


-----Original Message----- 
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] 
On Behalf Of Carl Hamilton 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:30 PM 
To: NorthWest Rocketry 
Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP renewal 

I just received a friendly piece of email from a local ATF agent asking for 
a time to discuss renewing my LEUP. My permit is good through August 1st, 
2009, so this seems a little early for renewal, but not terribly early. I'm 
wondering if this communication is in response to Judge Walton's decision or 
whether the timing is just a coincidence. Has anybody else heard from their 
local ATF agent since the judgment was announced? 
I plan to delay my meeting for at least a few days to see what the NAR/TRA 
legal team has to say about the fallout of the judgment, but am still curios 
to hear about others' experiences. 

Please don't hijack this thread and start railing on the ATF agents. I'm 
sure they are just doing their job. 

- Carl 

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I would suggest complying with the request for magazine inspection, at least while you still hold a LEUP and we haven't heard from the legal team at the NAR/TRA.? I believe you still have an obligation to show compliance with your LEUP for when motors were considered explosives.? I don't know how long you are required to keep records, but I wouldn't fire up the shredder just yet.
I believe you gave them the right to inspect your magazine at will, without notice when you got your LEUP...I think they usually give notice as a courtesy, but aren't required to.
At the very least I would inform NAR/Tripoli of your situation...just in case it turns out that this is becoming a "policy"
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:25:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: ?LEUP renewal
Well, you have two options, renew or not. Regardless of whether APCP is an
explosive you still hold a permit.
Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
?
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hawkins [mailto:johnhawkins at wavecable.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:15 PM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal
I just got a phone call from ATF wanting to see my magazine this Thursday.
sounds to me they are trying to get everyone to renew their LEUP's quickly.
So I don't know what to do about this one now. Because he was pushing for
tomorrow but I couldn't make that one so he wanted Thursdays and didn't
really give me a choice on the matter. SO I have to meet him 8am at the
magazine.
-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:56 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal
I would tell him you would like to wait a bit and get advice from our legal
team now that APCP is not an explosive, and you may not need to renew. Be
polite and truthful. Continue to keep your records until we do hear from the
legal team.
Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
?
-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Carl Hamilton
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:30 PM
To: NorthWest Rocketry
Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP renewal
I just received a friendly piece of email from a local ATF agent asking for
a time to discuss renewing my LEUP. My permit is good through August 1st,
2009, so this seems a little early for renewal, but not terribly early. I'm
wondering if this communication is in response to Judge Walton's decision or
whether the timing is just a coincidence. Has anybody else heard from their
local ATF agent since the judgment was announced?
I plan to delay my meeting for at least a few days to see what the NAR/TRA
legal team has to say about the fallout of the judgment, but am still curios
to hear about others' experiences.
Please don't hijack this thread and start railing on the ATF agents. I'm
sure they are just doing their job.
?- Carl
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From kent.newman at comcast.net  Tue Mar 17 14:09:07 2009
From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:09:07 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington State L&I - FYI
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Greetings all,

Although the L&I - Explosives Division is likely as thrilled as we are with
the NAR/TRA vs BATFE ruling yesterday, L&I regulations are treated as state
law and any changes have to be passed before the legislature.  

The L&I tells me that they will take next steps after hearing confirmation
from the ATF on what the ATF position is on the decision.  That is to say,
if the ATF acknowledges Judge Walton's ruling as most think they will, the
ATF will notify the L&I that they no longer have APCP on their low
explosives list.  The Explosives Division will pass on the ATF declaration
to a review board of the L&I, the board will ask for recommendations from
the Explosives Division, Explosives will respond favorably and the
legislative change process will begin.

If the ATF acknowledges the ruling to be immediate as we all do, that
communication should come fairly quickly; the State and ATF are in daily
contact.

Until then, the current state law regarding permitting remains as is.

FYI.

Regards,

Kent Newman
Washington Aerospace




From carl20320 at msn.com  Tue Mar 17 14:16:46 2009
From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:16:46 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington State L&I - FYI
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Having spoken with Mason Reiter and Mark Aguiar in person recently, I am certain they are both happy to hear that the case has been won.  During our conversations of about 6-8 weeks ago, they both told me they really hoped we would win so this would just go away for them.  I am sure they will do what they can to get this out of their hair ASAP.

 
> From: kent.newman at comcast.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:09:07 -0700
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington State L&I - FYI
> 
> Greetings all,
> 
> Although the L&I - Explosives Division is likely as thrilled as we are with
> the NAR/TRA vs BATFE ruling yesterday, L&I regulations are treated as state
> law and any changes have to be passed before the legislature. 
> 
> The L&I tells me that they will take next steps after hearing confirmation
> from the ATF on what the ATF position is on the decision. That is to say,
> if the ATF acknowledges Judge Walton's ruling as most think they will, the
> ATF will notify the L&I that they no longer have APCP on their low
> explosives list. The Explosives Division will pass on the ATF declaration
> to a review board of the L&I, the board will ask for recommendations from
> the Explosives Division, Explosives will respond favorably and the
> legislative change process will begin.
> 
> If the ATF acknowledges the ruling to be immediate as we all do, that
> communication should come fairly quickly; the State and ATF are in daily
> contact.
> 
> Until then, the current state law regarding permitting remains as is.
> 
> FYI.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kent Newman
> Washington Aerospace
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
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Having spoken with Mason Reiter?and Mark Aguiar in person recently, I am certain they are both?happy to hear that?the case has been won.? During our?conversations of about 6-8 weeks ago, they both told me they really hoped we?would win?so this would just go away for them.? I am sure they will do what they can to get this out of their hair?ASAP.
?
> From: kent.newman at comcast.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:09:07 -0700
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington State L&I - FYI
>
> Greetings all,
>
> Although the L&I - Explosives Division is likely as thrilled as we are with
> the NAR/TRA vs BATFE ruling yesterday, L&I regulations are treated as state
> law and any changes have to be passed before the legislature.
>
> The L&I tells me that they will take next steps after hearing confirmation
> from the ATF on what the ATF position is on the decision. That is to say,
> if the ATF acknowledges Judge Walton's ruling as most think they will, the
> ATF will notify the L&I that they no longer have APCP on their low
> explosives list. The Explosives Division will pass on the ATF declaration
> to a review board of the L&I, the board will ask for recommendations from
> the Explosives Division, Explosives will respond favorably and the
> legislative change process will begin.
>
> If the ATF acknowledges the ruling to be immediate as we all do, that
> communication should come fairly quickly; the State and ATF are in daily
> contact.
>
> Until then, the current state law regarding permitting remains as is.
>
> FYI.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kent Newman
> Washington Aerospace
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Tue Mar 17 14:22:47 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:22:47 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington State L&I - FYI
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With the exception of a very few, most of the field agents have been very
favorable to rocketry. Thanks for the leg work Kent! 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Carl Degner
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:17 PM
To: Rockets NW list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington State L&I - FYI


Having spoken with Mason Reiter and Mark Aguiar in person recently, I am
certain they are both happy to hear that the case has been won.  During our
conversations of about 6-8 weeks ago, they both told me they really hoped we
would win so this would just go away for them.  I am sure they will do what
they can to get this out of their hair ASAP.

 
> From: kent.newman at comcast.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:09:07 -0700
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington State L&I - FYI
> 
> Greetings all,
> 
> Although the L&I - Explosives Division is likely as thrilled as we are 
> with the NAR/TRA vs BATFE ruling yesterday, L&I regulations are 
> treated as state law and any changes have to be passed before the
legislature.
> 
> The L&I tells me that they will take next steps after hearing 
> confirmation from the ATF on what the ATF position is on the decision. 
> That is to say, if the ATF acknowledges Judge Walton's ruling as most 
> think they will, the ATF will notify the L&I that they no longer have 
> APCP on their low explosives list. The Explosives Division will pass 
> on the ATF declaration to a review board of the L&I, the board will 
> ask for recommendations from the Explosives Division, Explosives will 
> respond favorably and the legislative change process will begin.
> 
> If the ATF acknowledges the ruling to be immediate as we all do, that 
> communication should come fairly quickly; the State and ATF are in 
> daily contact.
> 
> Until then, the current state law regarding permitting remains as is.
> 
> FYI.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kent Newman
> Washington Aerospace
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 


From kent.newman at comcast.net  Tue Mar 17 14:34:55 2009
From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:34:55 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Seattle ATF
Message-ID: <000901c9a748$3732f4a0$a598dde0$@newman@comcast.net>

Just got off the phone with the ATF agent who most recently inspected my
magazine.  I was curious to see if he had received many calls from local
fliers, heard anything internally, knew what next steps might be from his
point of view, etc.  

 

He was totally unaware of any ruling until I told him about it.  He asked
for a copy to show his boss.

 

Slowly the wheels in D.C. turn...

 

Kent

 

 

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Just got off the phone with the ATF agent who most recently inspected my magazine.? I was curious to see if he had received many calls from local fliers, heard anything internally, knew what next steps might be from his point of view, etc.?
?
He was totally unaware of any ruling until I told him about it.? He asked for a copy to show his boss.
?
Slowly the wheels in D.C. turn??????.
?
Kent
?
?

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Tue Mar 17 14:45:35 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:45:35 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Seattle ATF
In-Reply-To: <000901c9a748$3732f4a0$a598dde0$@newman@comcast.net>
References: <000901c9a748$3732f4a0$a598dde0$@newman@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <EC49AA187FDE48349105822F345CFF56@Mobile2>

They have not updated their website any either. The rocketry faq's and list
of explosives remains the same. It is a court order, how long can they just
ignore it? Seems there would be significant repercussions if they tried
enforcement on APCP issues at this time. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Kent Newman
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:35 PM
To: Rockets NW list
Subject: [RocketsNW] Seattle ATF

Just got off the phone with the ATF agent who most recently inspected my
magazine.  I was curious to see if he had received many calls from local
fliers, heard anything internally, knew what next steps might be from his
point of view, etc.  

 

He was totally unaware of any ruling until I told him about it.  He asked
for a copy to show his boss.

 

Slowly the wheels in D.C. turn...

 

Kent

 

 



From appusher at q.com  Tue Mar 17 16:55:23 2009
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:55:23 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Seattle ATF
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References: <000901c9a748$3732f4a0$a598dde0$@newman@comcast.net>
	<EC49AA187FDE48349105822F345CFF56@Mobile2>
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I just had my magazine inspection by Geri Woods of L&I.  It was more of a social event than an explosives inspect for storage.

 

I asked Geri about the ruling and she had not a clue about it.  I gave her a printed copy of the ruling.  She said she would take it back to the office on Friday.  I'll give her a call first of next week to see what stirs.

Geri suspects that if ATF releases APCP from the explosives list ....they will as well.

 

Side note about their office procedures:  Jennifer is very new and young....you can read that as inexperienced.  She just can't seem to get a handle on the job.  Rennette has been back in the office for a short time to get the train wreck cleaned up.  I see a new face in the office and a new voice on the other end of the phone in the near future.

Who knew what and when didn't they know it?

 

 

Bill at PSP









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> From: scott at scottsrockets.com
> To: kent.newman at comcast.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:45:35 -0700
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Seattle ATF
> 
> They have not updated their website any either. The rocketry faq's and list
> of explosives remains the same. It is a court order, how long can they just
> ignore it? Seems there would be significant repercussions if they tried
> enforcement on APCP issues at this time. 
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Kent Newman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:35 PM
> To: Rockets NW list
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Seattle ATF
> 
> Just got off the phone with the ATF agent who most recently inspected my
> magazine. I was curious to see if he had received many calls from local
> fliers, heard anything internally, knew what next steps might be from his
> point of view, etc. 
> 
> 
> 
> He was totally unaware of any ruling until I told him about it. He asked
> for a copy to show his boss.
> 
> 
> 
> Slowly the wheels in D.C. turn...
> 
> 
> 
> Kent
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I just had my magazine inspection by Geri Woods of L&I.? It was more of a social event than an explosives inspect for storage.
?
I asked Geri about the ruling and she had not a clue about it.? I gave her a printed copy of the ruling.? She said she would take it back to the office on Friday.? I'll give her a call first of next week to see what stirs.
Geri suspects that if ATF releases APCP from the explosives list ....they will as well.
?
Side note about their office procedures:? Jennifer is very new and young....you can read that as inexperienced.? She just can't seem to get a handle on the job.? Rennette has been back in the office for a short time to get the train wreck cleaned up.? I see a new face in the office?and a new voice on the other end of the phone in the near future.
Who knew what and when didn't they know it?
?
?
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> From: scott at scottsrockets.com
> To: kent.newman at comcast.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:45:35 -0700
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Seattle ATF
>
> They have not updated their website any either. The rocketry faq's and list
> of explosives remains the same. It is a court order, how long can they just
> ignore it? Seems there would be significant repercussions if they tried
> enforcement on APCP issues at this time.
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Kent Newman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:35 PM
> To: Rockets NW list
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Seattle ATF
>
> Just got off the phone with the ATF agent who most recently inspected my
> magazine. I was curious to see if he had received many calls from local
> fliers, heard anything internally, knew what next steps might be from his
> point of view, etc.
>
>
>
> He was totally unaware of any ruling until I told him about it. He asked
> for a copy to show his boss.
>
>
>
> Slowly the wheels in D.C. turn...
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From appusher at q.com  Tue Mar 17 16:57:50 2009
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:57:50 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Seattle ATF
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Ok.

I think everyone should call their respective AFT Offices and ask the question about how they are going to handle the change.  Flood the switchboard, as it were.

 

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> From: kent.newman at comcast.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:34:55 -0700
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Seattle ATF
> 
> Just got off the phone with the ATF agent who most recently inspected my
> magazine. I was curious to see if he had received many calls from local
> fliers, heard anything internally, knew what next steps might be from his
> point of view, etc. 
> 
> 
> 
> He was totally unaware of any ruling until I told him about it. He asked
> for a copy to show his boss.
> 
> 
> 
> Slowly the wheels in D.C. turn...
> 
> 
> 
> Kent
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Ok.
I think everyone should call their respective AFT Offices and ask the question about how they are going to handle the change.? Flood the switchboard, as it were.
?
Do you think it might move things along?
?
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> From: kent.newman at comcast.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:34:55 -0700
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Seattle ATF
>
> Just got off the phone with the ATF agent who most recently inspected my
> magazine. I was curious to see if he had received many calls from local
> fliers, heard anything internally, knew what next steps might be from his
> point of view, etc.
>
>
>
> He was totally unaware of any ruling until I told him about it. He asked
> for a copy to show his boss.
>
>
>
> Slowly the wheels in D.C. turn...
>
>
>
> Kent
>
>
>
>
>

From appusher at q.com  Tue Mar 17 17:41:04 2009
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:41:04 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
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ATF and State regulatory agencies aside, the Fire Dept still has control of what, or how much will be available in brick and mortor stores.

I know is Seattle City limits, only 20 pounds are storable in private residences.  I'm not sure what might be available in a retail setting.

Specialized hobby stores might carry more variety than some of the generic stores.  Specialized stores would have more control over certifications and such.

 

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> From: jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com
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> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:33:54 -0600
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
> 
> So will this change the availability of APCP motors at hobby stores. I 
> assume that if APCP is not an explosive then anywhere that currently sells 
> Estes rockets and supplies could start selling Aerotech, AMW, and Cesaroni. 
> Will I start seeing K500s at Hobby Town or even Walmart? 
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ATF and State regulatory agencies aside, the Fire Dept still has control of what, or how much will be available in brick and mortor stores.
I know is Seattle City limits, only 20 pounds are storable in private residences.? I'm not sure what might be available in a retail setting.
Specialized hobby stores might carry more variety than some of the generic stores.? Specialized stores would have more control over certifications and such.
?
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> From: jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:33:54 -0600
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
>
> So will this change the availability of APCP motors at hobby stores. I
> assume that if APCP is not an explosive then anywhere that currently sells
> Estes rockets and supplies could start selling Aerotech, AMW, and Cesaroni.
> Will I start seeing K500s at Hobby Town or even Walmart?
>
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 18:24:54 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:24:54 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2><49BEAC9F.1020201@earthlink.net><E9D6546F-3045-4E2C-B46C-B6989FFD9074@mooreread.com><BA0B8362E53A44D09DE47205FE839BC4@MEDIONDeskTop><8DA1EBC5-85ED-480D-9306-38C21C1B2DA1@mooreread.com><e068dfbd0903161810t6d92f7cdmde4606c571b4d134@mail.gmail.com>
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Bill,
20 pounds of what? 20 pounds of explosive material? Fire marshall cannot 
regulate non-explosive material. Even though they may be flamable. A full 
tank of gas in your vehicle is more than 20 pounds. A full tank of propane 
for your BBQ is 20ish pounds.

Unless the fire marshall has "Rocket Motors" listed in their exclusive 
rules. With the rule change APCP no longer is an explosive. Unless your Fire 
Marshall has local regulations stating that they are.

Cheers,
Robert
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To: <jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com>; <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case



ATF and State regulatory agencies aside, the Fire Dept still has control of 
what, or how much will be available in brick and mortor stores.

I know is Seattle City limits, only 20 pounds are storable in private 
residences.  I'm not sure what might be available in a retail setting.

Specialized hobby stores might carry more variety than some of the generic 
stores.  Specialized stores would have more control over certifications and 
such.



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> From: jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:33:54 -0600
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
>
> So will this change the availability of APCP motors at hobby stores. I
> assume that if APCP is not an explosive then anywhere that currently sells
> Estes rockets and supplies could start selling Aerotech, AMW, and 
> Cesaroni.
> Will I start seeing K500s at Hobby Town or even Walmart?
>
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From carl at mousetrap.com  Tue Mar 17 19:09:06 2009
From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:09:06 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
In-Reply-To: <00e201c9a768$586d1130$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2>
	<49BEAC9F.1020201@earthlink.net>
	<E9D6546F-3045-4E2C-B46C-B6989FFD9074@mooreread.com>
	<BA0B8362E53A44D09DE47205FE839BC4@MEDIONDeskTop>
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Robert Krausert
<lawndart.robert at gmail.com>wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Unless the fire marshall has "Rocket Motors" listed in their exclusive
> rules. With the rule change APCP no longer is an explosive. Unless your
> Fire
> Marshall has local regulations stating that they are.


It's very likely that local regulations *do* give the fire marshal
regulatory powers over rocket motors. Many administrative entities have
adopted some version of the International Fire Code (IFC). I know that
Washington State, King County, and the City of Woodinville have adopted the
2006 edition of the IFC as the basis of their fire codes. I only have a copy
of the 2003 edition, but section 3301.1.4 of that document, titled
"Rocketry", states: The storage, handling and use of model and high-power
rockets shall comply with the requirements of NFPA 1122, NFPA 1125, and NFPA
1127.

All of the NFPA documents are very favorable towards rocketry, but my
expectation is that the explicit reference to rockets in the IFC gives the
fire marshal jurisdiction over them.

 - Carl
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Robert Krausert
< mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com
>
wrote:
Bill,
Unless the fire marshall has "Rocket Motors" listed in their exclusive
rules. With the rule change APCP no longer is an explosive. Unless your Fire
Marshall has local regulations stating that they are.
It's very likely that local regulations *do* give the fire marshal regulatory powers over rocket motors. Many administrative entities have adopted some version of the International Fire Code (IFC). I know that Washington State, King County, and the City of Woodinville have adopted the 2006 edition of the IFC as the basis of their fire codes. I only have a copy of the 2003 edition, but section 3301.1.4 of that document, titled "Rocketry", states:?The storage, handling and use of model and high-power rockets shall comply with the requirements of NFPA 1122, NFPA 1125, and NFPA 1127.
All of the NFPA documents are very favorable towards rocketry, but my expectation is that the explicit reference to rockets in the IFC gives the fire marshal?jurisdiction?over them.
?- Carl

From terry at mooreread.com  Tue Mar 17 19:42:40 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:42:40 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
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References: <0BC3A26E7B654ADCBEE52E9702067872@Mobile2>
	<49BEAC9F.1020201@earthlink.net>
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	<BA0B8362E53A44D09DE47205FE839BC4@MEDIONDeskTop>
	<8DA1EBC5-85ED-480D-9306-38C21C1B2DA1@mooreread.com>
	<e068dfbd0903161810t6d92f7cdmde4606c571b4d134@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU137-DS32CB0A9791BD2DDACB4F4F0980@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <B1DCEB6B-D5FF-43B4-9422-621534EB0213@mooreread.com>

I seem to remember the IFC setting some rules for storage but those  
sections may not have been incorporated into local ordinances.

On Mar 17, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Carl Hamilton wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Robert Krausert
> < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com
>>
> wrote:
> Bill,
> Unless the fire marshall has "Rocket Motors" listed in their exclusive
> rules. With the rule change APCP no longer is an explosive. Unless  
> your Fire
> Marshall has local regulations stating that they are.
> It's very likely that local regulations *do* give the fire marshal  
> regulatory powers over rocket motors. Many administrative entities  
> have adopted some version of the International Fire Code (IFC). I  
> know that Washington State, King County, and the City of Woodinville  
> have adopted the 2006 edition of the IFC as the basis of their fire  
> codes. I only have a copy of the 2003 edition, but section 3301.1.4  
> of that document, titled "Rocketry", states: The storage, handling  
> and use of model and high-power rockets shall comply with the  
> requirements of NFPA 1122, NFPA 1125, and NFPA 1127.
> All of the NFPA documents are very favorable towards rocketry, but  
> my expectation is that the explicit reference to rockets in the IFC  
> gives the fire marshal jurisdiction over them.
>  - Carl
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From bjarchow at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 19:54:38 2009
From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:54:38 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Seattle ATF
In-Reply-To: <BLU145-W303CE61207AF5DB10ECD8ADC980@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU145-W303CE61207AF5DB10ECD8ADC980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <a5b4f5770903171954s163608acgba0bcd70e9b694f0@mail.gmail.com>

Right now I think the best thing to do is to be patient. In our part of the
country there isn't much flying going on in the next 30 days. The Washington
Aerospace website shows the first launch will be the last weekend of April,
and I don't know of anything sooner.

Let's just wait for the NRA and TRA to release a joint statement on how we
should deal with the ATF and any motors we already own.

Remember, ATF policy is set by people high in the organization. The people
who answer phones are very low in the organization. Let's just wait and see
what the NRA and TRA tell us next.

Brian

2009/3/17 Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>

> Ok.
> I think everyone should call their respective AFT Offices and ask the
> question about how they are going to handle the change.  Flood the
> switchboard, as it were.
>
> Do you think it might move things along?
>
> Bill
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
Let's just wait for the NRA and TRA to release a joint statement on how we should deal with the ATF and any motors we already own.
Remember, ATF policy is set by people high in the organization. The people who answer phones are very low in the organization. Let's just wait and see what the NRA and TRA tell us next.
Brian
2009/3/17 Bill Munds
< mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com
>
Ok.
I think everyone should call their respective AFT Offices and ask the question about how they are going to handle the change.? Flood the switchboard, as it were.
?
Do you think it might move things along?
?
Bill

From brodwcjj at integrity.com  Tue Mar 17 19:54:11 2009
From: brodwcjj at integrity.com (brodwcjj at integrity.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:54:11 -0500
Subject: [RocketsNW] So....
In-Reply-To: <mailman.343.1237261524.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
References: <mailman.343.1237261524.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <20090317215411.99614psf2xedilk4@wm.integrity.com>

I'm looking forward to buying from the onsite vendors  without having  
to bug someone to be my LEUP buddy.
   (I'm one of those LEUP-beggars Fred warned us about  <gg>)

Even buddying was a hassle  in that I was not comfortable  
inconveniencing the LEUP holders.  (Thanks to those who did help,  you  
know who you are.)

I had VERY VERY few HPR flights during recent years  and  could have  
easily dropped out.

I look forward to seeing HPR reloads make their way back to the wall  
at Tammies.

I look forward to rebuilding my L2 rocket, building the new one,  and  
start flying my L1 rockets again.

I look forward to getting others interested, especially Kids with LPR  
projects.
   I like seeing future scientist's eyes light up at the push of a button.

I look forward to the club's membership and vendors' businesses growing.

I was not very motivated during the over-regulation period,  but now  
that common-sense has prevailed  I  am thinking of projects.

Dustin




From: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
Subject: [RocketsNW] So....

Who besides me is really wanting to drive a K reload across state lines
without a permit?

Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/>

From fred.azinger at intel.com  Tue Mar 17 20:15:12 2009
From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:15:12 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] So....
In-Reply-To: <20090317215411.99614psf2xedilk4@wm.integrity.com>
References: <mailman.343.1237261524.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
	<20090317215411.99614psf2xedilk4@wm.integrity.com>
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Sorry if I tweaked anybody with my LEUP-Beggars rant....

Was meant to be a little tongue-in-cheek.

LEUP-Buddies was obviously the only way to keep people flying -- so it was not a big deal, just something you did to keep the hobby alive, help vendors with sales, put more rockets in the air.....

Now we all can fly up to our cert levels without papers it is not necessary.

So I just wanted to put forward the idea that those flyers that want fancy icing on that cake they are eating, should get (keep) a LEUP.
 
For now, we all get to eat cake.
Enjoy,
FredA



-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of brodwcjj at integrity.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:54 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] So....

I'm looking forward to buying from the onsite vendors  without having  
to bug someone to be my LEUP buddy.
   (I'm one of those LEUP-beggars Fred warned us about  <gg>)

Even buddying was a hassle  in that I was not comfortable  
inconveniencing the LEUP holders.  (Thanks to those who did help,  you  
know who you are.)

I had VERY VERY few HPR flights during recent years  and  could have  
easily dropped out.

I look forward to seeing HPR reloads make their way back to the wall  
at Tammies.

I look forward to rebuilding my L2 rocket, building the new one,  and  
start flying my L1 rockets again.

I look forward to getting others interested, especially Kids with LPR  
projects.
   I like seeing future scientist's eyes light up at the push of a button.

I look forward to the club's membership and vendors' businesses growing.

I was not very motivated during the over-regulation period,  but now  
that common-sense has prevailed  I  am thinking of projects.

Dustin




From: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
Subject: [RocketsNW] So....

Who besides me is really wanting to drive a K reload across state lines
without a permit?

Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/>
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From appusher at q.com  Tue Mar 17 22:55:03 2009
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:55:03 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
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City of Seattle has in their Fire Code specifically "rocket motors"  or "rocket propellant"  I don't remember which now, it was a number of years ago.

Doubt it has changed.  It doesn't say anything about explosives, just indicates "rocket motors" or "propellant".

 

Discussions have gone around about all flammables.....gasoline, propane bottles, paint thinners, solvents.....etc.  Fire Dept doesn't like any of them and they have rules for storage for all flammables but rarely enforce any of them unless the is an incident.  then look out.

 

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> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com
> To: appusher at q.com; jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:24:54 -0700
> 
> Bill,
> 20 pounds of what? 20 pounds of explosive material? Fire marshall cannot 
> regulate non-explosive material. Even though they may be flamable. A full 
> tank of gas in your vehicle is more than 20 pounds. A full tank of propane 
> for your BBQ is 20ish pounds.
> 
> Unless the fire marshall has "Rocket Motors" listed in their exclusive 
> rules. With the rule change APCP no longer is an explosive. Unless your Fire 
> Marshall has local regulations stating that they are.
> 
> Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Munds" <appusher at q.com>
> To: <jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com>; <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
> 
> 
> 
> ATF and State regulatory agencies aside, the Fire Dept still has control of 
> what, or how much will be available in brick and mortor stores.
> 
> I know is Seattle City limits, only 20 pounds are storable in private 
> residences. I'm not sure what might be available in a retail setting.
> 
> Specialized hobby stores might carry more variety than some of the generic 
> stores. Specialized stores would have more control over certifications and 
> such.
> 
> 
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
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> 
> > From: jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:33:54 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
> >
> > So will this change the availability of APCP motors at hobby stores. I
> > assume that if APCP is not an explosive then anywhere that currently sells
> > Estes rockets and supplies could start selling Aerotech, AMW, and 
> > Cesaroni.
> > Will I start seeing K500s at Hobby Town or even Walmart?
> >
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City of Seattle has in their Fire Code specifically "rocket motors"? or "rocket propellant"? I don't remember which now, it was a number of years ago.
Doubt it has changed.? It doesn't say anything about explosives, just indicates "rocket motors" or "propellant".
?
Discussions have gone around about all flammables.....gasoline, propane bottles, paint thinners, solvents.....etc.? Fire Dept doesn't like any of them and they have rules for storage for all flammables but rarely enforce any of them unless the is an incident.? then look out.
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> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com
> To: appusher at q.com; jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:24:54 -0700
>
> Bill,
> 20 pounds of what? 20 pounds of explosive material? Fire marshall cannot
> regulate non-explosive material. Even though they may be flamable. A full
> tank of gas in your vehicle is more than 20 pounds. A full tank of propane
> for your BBQ is 20ish pounds.
>
> Unless the fire marshall has "Rocket Motors" listed in their exclusive
> rules. With the rule change APCP no longer is an explosive. Unless your Fire
> Marshall has local regulations stating that they are.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Munds" <appusher at q.com>
> To: <jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com>; <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
>
>
>
> ATF and State regulatory agencies aside, the Fire Dept still has control of
> what, or how much will be available in brick and mortor stores.
>
> I know is Seattle City limits, only 20 pounds are storable in private
> residences. I'm not sure what might be available in a retail setting.
>
> Specialized hobby stores might carry more variety than some of the generic
> stores. Specialized stores would have more control over certifications and
> such.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> Join me
>
>
>
> > From: jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:33:54 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
> >
> > So will this change the availability of APCP motors at hobby stores. I
> > assume that if APCP is not an explosive then anywhere that currently sells
> > Estes rockets and supplies could start selling Aerotech, AMW, and
> > Cesaroni.
> > Will I start seeing K500s at Hobby Town or even Walmart?
> >
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From Jhadv at pacifier.com  Tue Mar 17 23:08:29 2009
From: Jhadv at pacifier.com (Jhadv at pacifier.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:08:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE
In-Reply-To: <mailman.359.1237342611.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
References: <mailman.359.1237342611.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <4009.67.189.35.224.1237356509.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>

Now that BATFE does not have jurisdiction over APCP this means it must be
assumed that anyone can buy almost any motor.  Probably always true but
the level of funds required just went down.  Therefore, it will now be the
launch RSO's responsibility to ensure that the person wishing to fly
whatever motor has the valid certification level to do so and not violate
the provisions of the insurance.  Which would mean that if a card does not
have a motor listed on the flight card said rocket gets recycled and not
launched.  It would also mean that non-members would have to show proof of
cert level to fly high power.  I assume of course that for members a
roster is created with name and cert level.


From fred_bare at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 17 23:23:33 2009
From: fred_bare at yahoo.com (Fred Bare)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:23:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 ACRES UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <4009.67.189.35.224.1237356509.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
Message-ID: <782353.69880.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 3:33 PM
Subject: LWYSA - Sixty Acres South Update



To all interested parties,
??
The City of Redmond Planning Department would like to inform you that Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association
(LWYSA) has resubmitted plans in response to our request for additional
information for Sixty Acres South. City staff is currently reviewing
the proposal for code compliance.?? The updated site plan has been modified significantly. The following modifications include:
Parking has been relocated from the NE 116th Street frontage to the east side of the property 
The proposed soccer fields have been reconfigured 
The updated site plan and tree preservation plan may be viewed on the City???s website at http://www.redmond. gov/cityservices /landuseapps. asp. Additionally, all information is available for review at the Development Services Center
located at City Hall. If you wish to view this information, please
contact me via phone or email so I can provide assistance. Due to the
significant change to the original site plan, an additional Public
Meeting will be held in the near future. You will be mailed a Notice of
Public Meeting.?? 
??
Additionally,
a Shoreline Substantial Development Permit has been submitted and is
currently being reviewed in conjunction with the Site Plan Entitlement Permit.?? A Notice of Application for the Shoreline Substantial Development Permit is required and will be issued next week. 
??
Should you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me via phone 425.556.2409 or email at klarson at redmond. gov
??
Sincerely,
??
??
Kelsey Larson
City of Redmond
Planning & Community Development
15670 NE 85th Street 
PO BOx 97010
Redmond, WA 98073
Phone: 425.556.2409
Fax: 425.556.2400



      
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Sent:
Friday,
February 27
, 2009 3:33 PM
Subject:
LWYSA - Sixty Acres South Update
To all interested parties,
?
The City of Redmond Planning Department would like to inform you that
Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association
(LWYSA) has resubmitted plans in response to our request for additional information for Sixty Acres South. City staff is currently reviewing the proposal for code compliance.? The updated
site plan
has been modified significantly. The following modifications include:
Parking has been relocated from the NE
116
th
Street frontage
to the east side of the property
The proposed soccer fields have been reconfigured
The updated site plan and tree preservation plan may be viewed on the City???s website at http://www.redmond.gov/cityservices/landuseapps.asp http://www.redmond. gov/cityservices /landuseapps. asp
. Additionally, all information is available for review at the
Development Services Center
located at City Hall. If you wish to view this information, please contact me via phone or email so I can provide assistance. Due to the significant change to the original site plan, an additional Public Meeting will be held in the near future. You will be mailed a Notice of Public Meeting.?
?
Additionally, a Shoreline Substantial Development Permit has been submitted and is currently being reviewed in conjunction with the Site Plan
Entitlement
Permit.? A Notice of Application for the Shoreline Substantial Development Permit is required and will be issued next week.
?
Should you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me via phone
425.556.2409
or email at http://us.mc330.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=klarson at redmond.gov klarson at redmond. gov
?
Sincerely,
?
?
Kelsey Larson
City of Redmond
Planning & Community Development
15670 NE 85th Street
PO
BOx 97010
Redmond
, WA 98073
Phone: 425.556.2409
Fax:
425.556.2400

From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Wed Mar 18 00:10:37 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:10:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] So....
In-Reply-To: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FB4E676@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com
	>
References: <mailman.343.1237261524.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
	<20090317215411.99614psf2xedilk4@wm.integrity.com>
	<F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FB4E676@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <29fe4982189bd2ffd220d8fb3f7ef67f.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

I'm too poor to be a LEUP beggar...  :-(

But I'm just going to have to scratch up enough scratch to buy and fly at
least one H this year.  Just because.

Oh, and I can make my own igniters if I need to.  No begging there either!
 Shhhhhh.
+McG+


> Sorry if I tweaked anybody with my LEUP-Beggars rant....
>
> Was meant to be a little tongue-in-cheek.
>
> LEUP-Buddies was obviously the only way to keep people flying -- so it was
> not a big deal, just something you did to keep the hobby alive, help
> vendors with sales, put more rockets in the air.....
>
> Now we all can fly up to our cert levels without papers it is not
> necessary.
>
> So I just wanted to put forward the idea that those flyers that want fancy
> icing on that cake they are eating, should get (keep) a LEUP.
>
> For now, we all get to eat cake.
> Enjoy,
> FredA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of brodwcjj at integrity.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:54 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] So....
>
> I'm looking forward to buying from the onsite vendors  without having
> to bug someone to be my LEUP buddy.
>    (I'm one of those LEUP-beggars Fred warned us about  <gg>)
>
> Even buddying was a hassle  in that I was not comfortable
> inconveniencing the LEUP holders.  (Thanks to those who did help,  you
> know who you are.)
>
> I had VERY VERY few HPR flights during recent years  and  could have
> easily dropped out.
>
> I look forward to seeing HPR reloads make their way back to the wall
> at Tammies.
>
> I look forward to rebuilding my L2 rocket, building the new one,  and
> start flying my L1 rockets again.
>
> I look forward to getting others interested, especially Kids with LPR
> projects.
>    I like seeing future scientist's eyes light up at the push of a button.
>
> I look forward to the club's membership and vendors' businesses growing.
>
> I was not very motivated during the over-regulation period,  but now
> that common-sense has prevailed  I  am thinking of projects.
>
> Dustin
>
>
>
>
> From: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
> Subject: [RocketsNW] So....
>
> Who besides me is really wanting to drive a K reload across state lines
> without a permit?
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/>
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From billn at peak.org  Wed Mar 18 05:29:27 2009
From: billn at peak.org (Bill Nelson)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:29:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington State L&I - FYI
In-Reply-To: <003b01c9a744$9cd85dd0$d6891970$@newman@comcast.net>
References: <13916B0443484F94A40E4D7A68F1754D@Mobile2>	<F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FB4E403@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>	<A72FACF2C338451BA4EC5B416F3BFED9@Mobile2>
	<F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FB4E420@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<003b01c9a744$9cd85dd0$d6891970$@newman@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4133.208.51.52.119.1237379367.squirrel@webmail.peak.org>

> If the ATF acknowledges the ruling to be immediate as we all do, that
> communication should come fairly quickly; the State and ATF are in
> daily contact.
>
> Until then, the current state law regarding permitting remains as is.

You need to take a look at that law. Does it address APCP by name or
as "rocket propellant" or does it simply refer to something like
"any material on the ATF explosives list"?

Bill




From rocketsrfun at msn.com  Wed Mar 18 05:31:27 2009
From: rocketsrfun at msn.com (Don Harris)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:31:27 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE
In-Reply-To: <mailman.359.1237342611.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
	<4009.67.189.35.224.1237356509.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
References: <mailman.359.1237342611.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
	<4009.67.189.35.224.1237356509.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DS5D608965C1B2F7EADC9FABD990@phx.gbl>

Aren't we doing this already? I'm pretty sure OROC is...

Don
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jhadv at pacifier.com<mailto:Jhadv at pacifier.com> 
  To: rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com> 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:08 PM
  Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE


  Now that BATFE does not have jurisdiction over APCP this means it must be
  assumed that anyone can buy almost any motor.  Probably always true but
  the level of funds required just went down.  Therefore, it will now be the
  launch RSO's responsibility to ensure that the person wishing to fly
  whatever motor has the valid certification level to do so and not violate
  the provisions of the insurance.  Which would mean that if a card does not
  have a motor listed on the flight card said rocket gets recycled and not
  launched.  It would also mean that non-members would have to show proof of
  cert level to fly high power.  I assume of course that for members a
  roster is created with name and cert level.

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Aren't we doing this already? I'm pretty sure OROC is...
?
Don
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:Jhadv at pacifier.com Jhadv at pacifier.com
To:
mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent:
Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:08 PM
Subject:
[RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE
Now that BATFE does not have jurisdiction over APCP this means it must be
assumed that anyone can buy almost any motor.? Probably always true but
the level of funds required just went down.? Therefore, it will now be the
launch RSO's responsibility to ensure that the person wishing to fly
whatever motor has the valid certification level to do so and not violate
the provisions of the insurance.? Which would mean that if a card does not
have a motor listed on the flight card said rocket gets recycled and not
launched.? It would also mean that non-members would have to show proof of
cert level to fly high power.? I assume of course that for members a
roster is created with name and cert level.
_______________________________________________
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mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
?

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Wed Mar 18 07:17:54 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:17:54 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DS5D608965C1B2F7EADC9FABD990@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.359.1237342611.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com><4009.67.189.35.224.1237356509.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
	<BAY103-DS5D608965C1B2F7EADC9FABD990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D206661E929346FF8992ABD187D00C79@Mobile2>

Well, all rockets have to be RSO'd before they go up anyway, and the vendors
do not sell to uncertified people, AND if you do not know someone at your
launch you should verify Cert level. It has never been a problem that I know
of. We are a pretty tight group, not like someone could just show up with an
M and no certification and fly, we know who is who. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Don Harris
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:31 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE

Aren't we doing this already? I'm pretty sure OROC is...

Don
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jhadv at pacifier.com<mailto:Jhadv at pacifier.com>
  To: rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:08 PM
  Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE


  Now that BATFE does not have jurisdiction over APCP this means it must be
  assumed that anyone can buy almost any motor.  Probably always true but
  the level of funds required just went down.  Therefore, it will now be the
  launch RSO's responsibility to ensure that the person wishing to fly
  whatever motor has the valid certification level to do so and not violate
  the provisions of the insurance.  Which would mean that if a card does not
  have a motor listed on the flight card said rocket gets recycled and not
  launched.  It would also mean that non-members would have to show proof of
  cert level to fly high power.  I assume of course that for members a
  roster is created with name and cert level.

  _______________________________________________
  Rockets mailing list
  Rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com>
 
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets<http://mx1.blastzone.com/m
ailman/listinfo/rockets>
    


From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Wed Mar 18 07:32:04 2009
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:32:04 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE
In-Reply-To: <D206661E929346FF8992ABD187D00C79@Mobile2>
References: <mailman.359.1237342611.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com><4009.67.189.35.224.1237356509.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>	<BAY103-DS5D608965C1B2F7EADC9FABD990@phx.gbl>
	<D206661E929346FF8992ABD187D00C79@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <49C105E4.6050603@hawkfeather.com>

We didn't have any problems at WAC launches when 'Easy-Access' was up to 
a J350.

Andrew.

Scott T Bowers wrote:
> Well, all rockets have to be RSO'd before they go up anyway, and the vendors
> do not sell to uncertified people, AND if you do not know someone at your
> launch you should verify Cert level. It has never been a problem that I know
> of. We are a pretty tight group, not like someone could just show up with an
> M and no certification and fly, we know who is who. 
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Don Harris
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:31 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE
> 
> Aren't we doing this already? I'm pretty sure OROC is...
> 
> Don
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jhadv at pacifier.com<mailto:Jhadv at pacifier.com>
>   To: rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>   Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:08 PM
>   Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE
> 
> 
>   Now that BATFE does not have jurisdiction over APCP this means it must be
>   assumed that anyone can buy almost any motor.  Probably always true but
>   the level of funds required just went down.  Therefore, it will now be the
>   launch RSO's responsibility to ensure that the person wishing to fly
>   whatever motor has the valid certification level to do so and not violate
>   the provisions of the insurance.  Which would mean that if a card does not
>   have a motor listed on the flight card said rocket gets recycled and not
>   launched.  It would also mean that non-members would have to show proof of
>   cert level to fly high power.  I assume of course that for members a
>   roster is created with name and cert level.


From scott at scottsrockets.com  Wed Mar 18 07:40:03 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:40:03 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE
In-Reply-To: <49C105E4.6050603@hawkfeather.com>
References: <mailman.359.1237342611.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com><4009.67.189.35.224.1237356509.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>	<BAY103-DS5D608965C1B2F7EADC9FABD990@phx.gbl><D206661E929346FF8992ABD187D00C79@Mobile2>
	<49C105E4.6050603@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <72C6D079D88C4C468F081CBB65ADF547@Mobile2>

Exactly....although you forgot the J570....(-; 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:32 AM
To: NorthWest Rocketry
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE

We didn't have any problems at WAC launches when 'Easy-Access' was up to a
J350.

Andrew.

Scott T Bowers wrote:
> Well, all rockets have to be RSO'd before they go up anyway, and the 
> vendors do not sell to uncertified people, AND if you do not know 
> someone at your launch you should verify Cert level. It has never been 
> a problem that I know of. We are a pretty tight group, not like 
> someone could just show up with an M and no certification and fly, we know
who is who.
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Don Harris
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:31 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE
> 
> Aren't we doing this already? I'm pretty sure OROC is...
> 
> Don
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jhadv at pacifier.com<mailto:Jhadv at pacifier.com>
>   To: rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>   Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:08 PM
>   Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE
> 
> 
>   Now that BATFE does not have jurisdiction over APCP this means it must
be
>   assumed that anyone can buy almost any motor.  Probably always true but
>   the level of funds required just went down.  Therefore, it will now be
the
>   launch RSO's responsibility to ensure that the person wishing to fly
>   whatever motor has the valid certification level to do so and not
violate
>   the provisions of the insurance.  Which would mean that if a card does
not
>   have a motor listed on the flight card said rocket gets recycled and not
>   launched.  It would also mean that non-members would have to show proof
of
>   cert level to fly high power.  I assume of course that for members a
>   roster is created with name and cert level.

_______________________________________________
Rockets mailing list
Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com  Wed Mar 18 07:47:16 2009
From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:47:16 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW:  LEUP renewal
In-Reply-To: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FB4E403@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <13916B0443484F94A40E4D7A68F1754D@Mobile2>
	<F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FB4E403@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
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Of course this doesn't include the unwashed masses who cannot qualify
for "explosives storage" in a residential neighborhood, right? 


************************************************************************
***************
For those who have been to lazy to get your LEUP, what are you using for
deployment?  My Opinion....
FredA

From Mfreptiles at aol.com  Wed Mar 18 08:39:11 2009
From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:39:11 EDT
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCE
Message-ID: <d1c.3d293ea5.36f26f9f@aol.com>

This is all old policy and nothing to get worried about.  Those of you  who 
haven't been involved in HPR before ATF ramped up enforcement seem to be the  
ones worried about the minutiae here.
 
We are self policing.
 
Motor dealers check for proof of cert before selling, either with  membership 
card or by checking the list,  It is not "assumed that anyone  can buy almost 
any motor".  You have to be TRA or NAR certified to the  level you are buying 
the motor for.  Non members of TRA or NAR cannot buy  HPR motors regardless 
of their removal of the ATF list, unless it is proven to  the dealer that they 
intend to buy one motor to certify level one and membership  in either NAR or 
TRA.  This is usually done at the launch under  supervision.
 
Rockets are not launched without the motor listed on the flight card, never  
seen it happen except for model rocket rack.  TRA and or NAR membership  
number must also be listed.
 
Just because APCP is off the list does not mean it's a free for all.   TRA 
and NAR members are a good group and I've never seen anybody try to pull a  
stunt like this.  Non TRA/NAR members can't fly HPR at a sanctioned  launch.  It's 
too easy to just join and certify than try to sneak by the  launch director, 
the dealer, the RSO and LCO.
 
Also should mention that most of us are a tight knit group and can easily  
spot any fresh faces out there and usually go out of the way to offer any  
support we can.  It is a bit confusing at first.  If someone we never  seen or 
heard of shows up with an M motor to fly there will be questions.
 
Mike F.
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/17/2009 11:09:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
Jhadv at pacifier.com writes:

Now that  BATFE does not have jurisdiction over APCP this means it must be
assumed  that anyone can buy almost any motor.  Probably always true but
the  level of funds required just went down.  Therefore, it will now be  the
launch RSO's responsibility to ensure that the person wishing to  fly
whatever motor has the valid certification level to do so and not  violate
the provisions of the insurance.  Which would mean that if a  card does not
have a motor listed on the flight card said rocket gets  recycled and not
launched.  It would also mean that non-members would  have to show proof of
cert level to fly high power.  I assume of  course that for members a
roster is created with name and cert  level.

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This is all old policy and nothing to get worried about.? Those of you who haven't been involved in HPR before ATF ramped up enforcement seem to be the ones worried about the minutiae here.
?
We are self policing.
?
Motor dealers check for proof of cert before selling, either with membership card or by checking the list,? It is not "assumed that anyone can buy almost any motor".? You have to be TRA or NAR certified to the level you are buying the motor for.? Non members of TRA or NAR cannot buy HPR motors regardless of their removal of the ATF list, unless it is proven to the dealer that they intend to buy one motor to certify level one and membership in either NAR or TRA.? This is usually done at the launch under supervision.
?
Rockets are not launched without the motor listed on the flight card, never seen it happen except for model rocket rack.? TRA and or NAR membership number must also be listed.
?
Just because APCP is off the list does not mean it's a free for all.? TRA and NAR members are a good group and I've never seen anybody try to pull a stunt like this.? Non TRA/NAR members can't fly HPR at a sanctioned launch.? It's too easy to just join and certify than try to sneak by the launch director, the dealer, the RSO and LCO.
?
Also should mention that most of us are a tight knit group and can easily spot any fresh faces out there and usually go out of the way to offer any support we can.? It is a bit confusing at first.? If someone we never seen or heard of shows up with an M motor to fly there will be questions.
?
Mike F.
?
?
In a message dated 3/17/2009 11:09:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Jhadv at pacifier.com writes:
Now that BATFE does not have jurisdiction over APCP this means it must be
assumed that anyone can buy almost any motor.? Probably always true but
the level of funds required just went down.? Therefore, it will now be the
launch RSO's responsibility to ensure that the person wishing to fly
whatever motor has the valid certification level to do so and not violate
the provisions of the insurance.? Which would mean that if a card does not
have a motor listed on the flight card said rocket gets recycled and not
launched.? It would also mean that non-members would have to show proof of
cert level to fly high power.? I assume of course that for members a
roster is created with name and cert level.
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From mrrominwa at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 18 10:21:17 2009
From: mrrominwa at yahoo.com (dave woodard)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:21:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Court case
In-Reply-To: <BLU145-W34AE357DF8663C7AB5260EDC990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <283394.97639.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

If you check seatttl fire code? you will find the 20lb limitation on flamable so yes if you have a 20lb propane bottle and a gallon of gas for your lawn mower you could be fined but I have never heard of it being enforced my worry would be the insurance company using the violation to denied a claim? but 21lb of newspaper you are recycling? and need to take to a collection point would be over 20 lb of storage? dave
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From: Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
To: "Robert Krausert" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>, jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 10:55 PM

City of Seattle has in their Fire Code specifically "rocket motors"?
or "rocket propellant"? I don't remember which now, it was a
number of years ago.
Doubt it has changed.? It doesn't say anything about explosives, just
indicates "rocket motors" or "propellant".
?
Discussions have gone around about all flammables.....gasoline, propane
bottles, paint thinners, solvents.....etc.? Fire Dept doesn't like any of
them and they have rules for storage for all flammables but rarely enforce any
of them unless the is an incident.? then look out.
?
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> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com
> To: appusher at q.com; jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:24:54 -0700
>
> Bill,
> 20 pounds of what? 20 pounds of explosive material? Fire marshall cannot
> regulate non-explosive material. Even though they may be flamable. A full
> tank of gas in your vehicle is more than 20 pounds. A full tank of propane
> for your BBQ is 20ish pounds.
>
> Unless the fire marshall has "Rocket Motors" listed in their
exclusive
> rules. With the rule change APCP no longer is an explosive. Unless your
Fire
> Marshall has local regulations stating that they are.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Munds" <appusher at q.com>
> To: <jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com>; <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
>
>
>
> ATF and State regulatory agencies aside, the Fire Dept still has control
of
> what, or how much will be available in brick and mortor stores.
>
> I know is Seattle City limits, only 20 pounds are storable in private
> residences. I'm not sure what might be available in a retail setting.
>
> Specialized hobby stores might carry more variety than some of the generic
> stores. Specialized stores would have more control over certifications and
> such.
>
>
>
> Bill
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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> > From: jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com
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> > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:33:54 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
> >
> > So will this change the availability of APCP motors at hobby stores.
I
> > assume that if APCP is not an explosive then anywhere that currently
sells
> > Estes rockets and supplies could start selling Aerotech, AMW, and
> > Cesaroni.
> > Will I start seeing K500s at Hobby Town or even Walmart?
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If you check seatttl fire code? you will find the 20lb limitation on flamable so yes if you have a 20lb propane bottle and a gallon of gas for your lawn mower you could be fined but I have never heard of it being enforced my worry would be the insurance company using the violation to denied a claim? but 21lb of newspaper you are recycling? and need to take to a collection point would be over 20 lb of storage? dave
?
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wrote:
From: Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case
To: "Robert Krausert" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>, jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 10:55 PM
City of Seattle has in their Fire Code specifically "rocket motors"? or "rocket propellant"? I don't remember which now, it was a number of years ago. Doubt it has changed.? It doesn't say anything about explosives, just indicates "rocket motors" or "propellant". ? Discussions have gone around about all flammables.....gasoline, propane bottles, paint thinners, solvents.....etc.? Fire Dept doesn't like any of them and they have rules for storage for all flammables but rarely enforce any of them unless the is an incident.? then look out. ? B http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ? > From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: appusher at q.com; jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:24:54 -0700 > > Bill, > 20 pounds of what? 20 pounds of explosive material? Fire marshall cannot > regulate non-explosive material. Even though they may be flamable. A full > tank of gas in your vehicle is more than 20 pounds. A full tank of propane > for your BBQ is 20ish pounds. > > Unless the fire marshall has "Rocket Motors" listed in their exclusive > rules. With the rule change APCP no longer is an explosive. Unless your Fire > Marshall has local regulations stating that they are. > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Munds" <appusher at q.com> > To: <jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com>; <rockets at rocketsnw.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:41 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case > > > > ATF and State regulatory agencies aside, the Fire Dept still has control of > what, or how much will be available in brick and mortor stores. > > I know is Seattle City limits, only 20 pounds are storable in private > residences. I'm not sure what might be available in a retail setting. > > Specialized hobby stores might carry more variety than some of the generic > stores. Specialized stores would have more control over certifications and > such. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > Join me > > > > > From: jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:33:54 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Court case > > > > So will this change the availability of APCP motors at hobby stores. I > > assume that if APCP is not an explosive then anywhere that currently sells > > Estes rockets and supplies could start selling Aerotech, AMW, and > > Cesaroni. > > Will I start seeing K500s at Hobby Town or even Walmart? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > >
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From appusher at q.com  Wed Mar 18 10:48:57 2009
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:48:57 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Paging Paul Nelson
Message-ID: <BLU145-W89F29D46942861AFEC9AADC990@phx.gbl>




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I have some questions about the launch rails arranged for WAC.

 

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From billn at peak.org  Tue Mar 17 09:45:40 2009
From: billn at peak.org (Bill Nelson)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:45:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ares 1 igniter test
In-Reply-To: <EE3DD811-8914-4E73-87B9-F0C9808E539B@mooreread.com>
References: <49BDBC43.5080600@earthlink.net>
	<067801c9a5ee$052c5240$0f84f6c0$@com>
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Message-ID: <3349.208.51.52.80.1237308340.squirrel@webmail.peak.org>

>> The new igniter is approximately 18 inches in diameter and 36
>> inches
>> long. It is a small, high-burn-rate solid rocket motor that is
>> secured
>> in the forward segment of a five-segment booster.
>>
>> (wonder what the high power rocket motor size equivalent would
>> be?)

As a rough guess, an O or P.

When I retake my L2 test, may I use one of those as an igniter for
my H238? I didn't see anything in the rules limiting the igniter
used.

Bill




From scott at scottsrockets.com  Wed Mar 18 11:47:14 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:47:14 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Judgement is not in!
Message-ID: <DDCA19640A5C4ABE8095A4F751806312@Mobile2>

According to info from legal on the TRA list is that is a court opinion and
is not yet a ruling. The ruling will come, and it will be 60 days before it
becomes fact after that date. Hope you all did not burn your
LEUP's..........
 
Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/> 
 
 
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According to info from legal on the TRA list is that is a court opinion and is not yet a ruling. The ruling will come, and it will be 60 days before it becomes fact after that date. Hope you all did not burn your LEUP's..........
?
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
?
?

From bclugston1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 18 11:52:56 2009
From: bclugston1 at comcast.net (Bill Clugston)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:52:56 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Judgement is not in!
Message-ID: <afdd1cr0xngq7ejx6ef6kdbv.1237402376813@email.android.com>

Darn, that's after FITS!

Bill C.
From my Google phone

Scott T Bowers <scott at scottsrockets.com> wrote:

>According to info from legal on the TRA list is that is a court opinion and
>is not yet a ruling. The ruling will come, and it will be 60 days before it
>becomes fact after that date. Hope you all did not burn your
>LEUP's..........
> 
>Scott T. Bowers
>www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/> 
> 
> 
>According to info from legal on the TRA list is that is a court opinion and is not yet a ruling. The ruling will come, and it will be 60 days before it becomes fact after that date. Hope you all did not burn your LEUP's..........
>?
>Scott T. Bowers
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From robert.krausert at intel.com  Wed Mar 18 12:17:26 2009
From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:17:26 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Judgement is not in!
In-Reply-To: <afdd1cr0xngq7ejx6ef6kdbv.1237402376813@email.android.com>
References: <afdd1cr0xngq7ejx6ef6kdbv.1237402376813@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E21FAD157@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>

When I read the court ruling document, it clearly stated the "classification of APCP as an explosive is vacated." "Vacated" is past tense. And at the bottom of the letter is stated the "On this 16th day of March, 2009." Never stated any other date or delay or filing+60 days. Vacated and March 16 2009... 

For me, that would appear as immediate. Usually when a court case is decided, the ruling takes affect immediately. Can be stopped or blocked by an appeal, sure. But until there is one filed and a motion to stay, then I take the information in the ruling as immediate and APCP vacated from the low explosives list. 

That's how I read it. I may also point out that I'm not a lawyer and I do not play one on TV either. Just my limited understanding of English and how I interpreted the document. 
Cheers, 
Robert 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bill Clugston
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:53 AM
To: Scott T Bowers; 'NorthWest Rocketry'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Judgement is not in!

Darn, that's after FITS!

Bill C.
>From my Google phone

Scott T Bowers <scott at scottsrockets.com> wrote:

>According to info from legal on the TRA list is that is a court opinion and
>is not yet a ruling. The ruling will come, and it will be 60 days before it
>becomes fact after that date. Hope you all did not burn your
>LEUP's..........
> 
>Scott T. Bowers
>www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/> 
> 
> 
>According to info from legal on the TRA list is that is a court opinion and is not yet a ruling. The ruling will come, and it will be 60 days before it becomes fact after that date. Hope you all did not burn your LEUP's..........
> 
>Scott T. Bowers
>http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
> 
> 
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From terry at mooreread.com  Wed Mar 18 12:18:24 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:18:24 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Judgement is not in!
In-Reply-To: <DDCA19640A5C4ABE8095A4F751806312@Mobile2>
References: <DDCA19640A5C4ABE8095A4F751806312@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <F59AD786-8ADE-426F-861B-3AF933D51F89@mooreread.com>

Interesting,   I asked a former US Attorney and his take was the order  
becomes effective when entered in the court file.


On Mar 18, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Scott T Bowers wrote:

> According to info from legal on the TRA list is that is a court  
> opinion and is not yet a ruling. The ruling will come, and it will  
> be 60 days before it becomes fact after that date. Hope you all did  
> not burn your LEUP's..........
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
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From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Wed Mar 18 12:21:02 2009
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:21:02 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] new launch hazard!
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http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/090317-sts119-bat-shuttle.html

Andrew.

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Wed Mar 18 12:22:18 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:22:18 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Judgement is not in!
In-Reply-To: <F59AD786-8ADE-426F-861B-3AF933D51F89@mooreread.com>
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Ken Good has asked everyone to hold tight, he will have a statement out
soon. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

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Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:18 PM
To: Scott T Bowers
Cc: 'NorthWest Rocketry'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Judgement is not in!

Interesting,   I asked a former US Attorney and his take was the order  
becomes effective when entered in the court file.


On Mar 18, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Scott T Bowers wrote:

> According to info from legal on the TRA list is that is a court 
> opinion and is not yet a ruling. The ruling will come, and it will be 
> 60 days before it becomes fact after that date. Hope you all did not 
> burn your LEUP's..........
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
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From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com  Wed Mar 18 12:32:33 2009
From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:32:33 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Judgement is not in!
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Oh sure, Scott. Come on here with YOUR speculation and then tell us all
to hold tight with ours.

:>) 

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To: 'Terry Moore-Read'
Cc: 'NorthWest Rocketry'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Judgement is not in!

Ken Good has asked everyone to hold tight, he will have a statement out
soon. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Moore-Read [mailto:terry at mooreread.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:18 PM
To: Scott T Bowers
Cc: 'NorthWest Rocketry'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Judgement is not in!

Interesting,   I asked a former US Attorney and his take was the order  
becomes effective when entered in the court file.


On Mar 18, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Scott T Bowers wrote:

> According to info from legal on the TRA list is that is a court 
> opinion and is not yet a ruling. The ruling will come, and it will be 
> 60 days before it becomes fact after that date. Hope you all did not 
> burn your LEUP's..........
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
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From terry at mooreread.com  Wed Mar 18 12:57:02 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:57:02 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Judgement is not in!
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Replying to my own message ... the court docket shows the following,  
which seems to imply some kind of finality :

Date filed: 02/11/2000
Date terminated: 03/16/2009
Date of last filing: 03/16/2009

On Mar 18, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Terry Moore-Read wrote:

> Interesting,   I asked a former US Attorney and his take was the order
> becomes effective when entered in the court file.
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Scott T Bowers wrote:
>
>> According to info from legal on the TRA list is that is a court
>> opinion and is not yet a ruling. The ruling will come, and it will
>> be 60 days before it becomes fact after that date. Hope you all did
>> not burn your LEUP's..........
>>
>> Scott T. Bowers
>> http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
>>
>>
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>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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Replying to my own message ... the court docket shows the following, which seems to imply some kind of finality :?
Date filed:
?02/11/2000
Date terminated:
?03/16/2009
Date of last filing:
?03/16/2009
On Mar 18, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Terry Moore-Read wrote:
Interesting, ??I asked a former US Attorney and his take was the order ?
becomes effective when entered in the court file.
On Mar 18, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Scott T Bowers wrote:
According to info from legal on the TRA list is that is a court ?
opinion and is not yet a ruling. The ruling will come, and it will ?
be 60 days before it becomes fact after that date. Hope you all did ?
not burn your LEUP's..........
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com/ http://www.scottsrockets.com/
http://www.scottsrockets.com www.scottsrockets.com
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Wed Mar 18 12:59:34 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:59:34 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Judgement is not in!
In-Reply-To: <F9AE8D47-E736-4BC6-AF2B-37378D980D4C@mooreread.com>
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I don't get it either. 
 
Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/> 
 
 

  _____  

From: Terry Moore-Read [mailto:terry at mooreread.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:57 PM
To: Terry Moore-Read
Cc: Scott T Bowers; 'NorthWest Rocketry'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Judgement is not in!


Replying to my own message ... the court docket shows the following, which
seems to imply some kind of finality :  

Date filed: 02/11/2000
Date terminated: 03/16/2009
Date of last filing: 03/16/2009

On Mar 18, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Terry Moore-Read wrote:


Interesting,   I asked a former US Attorney and his take was the order  
becomes effective when entered in the court file.


On Mar 18, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Scott T Bowers wrote:



According to info from legal on the TRA list is that is a court  


opinion and is not yet a ruling. The ruling will come, and it will  


be 60 days before it becomes fact after that date. Hope you all did  


not burn your LEUP's..........



Scott T. Bowers


http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com




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I don't get it either.
?
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?
From:
Terry Moore-Read [mailto:terry at mooreread.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:57 PM
To:
Terry Moore-Read
Cc:
Scott T Bowers; 'NorthWest Rocketry'
Subject:
Re: [RocketsNW] Judgement is not in!
Replying to my own message ... the court docket shows the following, which seems to imply some kind of finality :?
Date filed:
?02/11/2000
Date terminated:
?03/16/2009
Date of last filing:
?03/16/2009
On Mar 18, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Terry Moore-Read wrote:
Interesting, ??I asked a former US Attorney and his take was the order ?
becomes effective when entered in the court file.
On Mar 18, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Scott T Bowers wrote:
According to info from legal on the TRA list is that is a court ?
opinion and is not yet a ruling. The ruling will come, and it will ?
be 60 days before it becomes fact after that date. Hope you all did ?
not burn your LEUP's..........
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com/ http://www.scottsrockets.com/
http://www.scottsrockets.com www.scottsrockets.com
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From worthenc at msn.com  Wed Mar 18 13:25:25 2009
From: worthenc at msn.com (JAMES C WORTHEN)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:25:25 -0600
Subject: [RocketsNW] Paging Bob from Sunriver  ASAP Please
Message-ID: <BAY103-DS232F5E548B7E7CED2F521DB990@phx.gbl>

Bob,
Please contact me ASAP preferably by phone 208-631-0450, regarding what you have available as far as G motors are concerned for the Discovery Center of Idaho TARC team.  Then are looking for some Gs in the 115 Ns and up category.
Thanks
J C Worthen
208-344-0488
208-631-0450
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Bob,
Please contact me ASAP preferably by phone 208-631-0450, regarding what you have available as far as G motors are concerned for the Discovery Center of Idaho TARC team.? Then are looking for some Gs in the 115 Ns and up category.
Thanks
J C Worthen
208-344-0488
208-631-0450

From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Wed Mar 18 16:08:57 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:08:57 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?
References: <DDCA19640A5C4ABE8095A4F751806312@Mobile2><F59AD786-8ADE-426F-861B-3AF933D51F89@mooreread.com><F9AE8D47-E736-4BC6-AF2B-37378D980D4C@mooreread.com>
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Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A23@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

Hey all,
 
I "inherited" some used rocketry stuff this last weekend, mostly estes stuff.  What surprised me was when I opened one of the boxes, I discovered a 38mm motor casing with a spent load still inside it.  It was REALLY old.  I mean...I'm not sure radioisotope dating would even tell us how old this crust was.  :-)
 
Took me 10 minutes to remove the spent propellant grains and liner from the casing and there's still all sorts of crud adhered to the walls.  The closures are so filthy I haven't even had the heart to start tackling them yet.  I'm now on a mission...I WILL see this casing returned to pristine condition dod gammit!
 
My question is twofold:    a)  what's best practice for removing ancient APCP residue from the inside of a motor casing tube without scarring up the casing?  and  b)  what's best practice for removing carbonization from the closures--especially the forward closure?
 
Your input and sage advice is welcomed.  Let the outpouring of wisdom commence!
 
Pete

From john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com  Wed Mar 18 16:31:33 2009
From: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com (john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:31:33 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A23@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <DDCA19640A5C4ABE8095A4F751806312@Mobile2><F59AD786-8ADE-426F-861B-3AF933D51F89@mooreread.com><F9AE8D47-E736-4BC6-AF2B-37378D980D4C@mooreread.com>
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5:1 Hot water to vinegar. Let the casing sit in the solution for about an hour, clean out the loosened crud, and put the casing back into the solution for another hour. Repeat as needed.

John
 

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From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:09 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?

Hey all,
 
I "inherited" some used rocketry stuff this last weekend, mostly estes stuff.  What surprised me was when I opened one of the boxes, I discovered a 38mm motor casing with a spent load still inside it.  It was REALLY old.  I mean...I'm not sure radioisotope dating would even tell us how old this crust was.  :-)
 
Took me 10 minutes to remove the spent propellant grains and liner from the casing and there's still all sorts of crud adhered to the walls.  The closures are so filthy I haven't even had the heart to start tackling them yet.  I'm now on a mission...I WILL see this casing returned to pristine condition dod gammit!
 
My question is twofold:    a)  what's best practice for removing ancient APCP residue from the inside of a motor casing tube without scarring up the casing?  and  b)  what's best practice for removing carbonization from the closures--especially the forward closure?
 
Your input and sage advice is welcomed.  Let the outpouring of wisdom commence!
 
Pete
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From dennys at carnitech.net  Wed Mar 18 16:33:59 2009
From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:33:59 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A23@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <DDCA19640A5C4ABE8095A4F751806312@Mobile2><F59AD786-8ADE-426F-861B-3AF933D51F89@mooreread.com><F9AE8D47-E736-4BC6-AF2B-37378D980D4C@mooreread.com><A10552558CA347F8894616B6468B2E6F@Mobile2>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A23@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
Message-ID: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005107CA744@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>

I've used two methods:

A.  Soak everything in distilled vinegar for about a week or so.
Loosens things up pretty well.
B.  Gun cleaning solvent/oil seems to work well on crusty AP.

Bob Yanecek uses some good gun cleaner.  He can probably chime in on the
brand he's been using.

-Denny


-----Original Message-----
From: Schurke, Peter [mailto:pmschurke at seattleschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:09 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?

Hey all,
 
I "inherited" some used rocketry stuff this last weekend, mostly estes
stuff.  What surprised me was when I opened one of the boxes, I
discovered a 38mm motor casing with a spent load still inside it.  It
was REALLY old.  I mean...I'm not sure radioisotope dating would even
tell us how old this crust was.  :-)
 
Took me 10 minutes to remove the spent propellant grains and liner from
the casing and there's still all sorts of crud adhered to the walls.
The closures are so filthy I haven't even had the heart to start
tackling them yet.  I'm now on a mission...I WILL see this casing
returned to pristine condition dod gammit!
 
My question is twofold:    a)  what's best practice for removing ancient
APCP residue from the inside of a motor casing tube without scarring up
the casing?  and  b)  what's best practice for removing carbonization
from the closures--especially the forward closure?
 
Your input and sage advice is welcomed.  Let the outpouring of wisdom
commence!
 
Pete
_______________________________________________
Rockets mailing list
Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  

From terry at mooreread.com  Wed Mar 18 16:39:19 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:39:19 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A23@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <DDCA19640A5C4ABE8095A4F751806312@Mobile2><F59AD786-8ADE-426F-861B-3AF933D51F89@mooreread.com><F9AE8D47-E736-4BC6-AF2B-37378D980D4C@mooreread.com>
	<A10552558CA347F8894616B6468B2E6F@Mobile2>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A23@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
Message-ID: <5DA876E0-A3BB-48FF-9BA4-B84B11BDED43@mooreread.com>

It's toast, send it to me and I'll throw it away for you.


On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Schurke, Peter wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I "inherited" some used rocketry stuff this last weekend, mostly  
> estes stuff.  What surprised me was when I opened one of the boxes,  
> I discovered a 38mm motor casing with a spent load still inside it.   
> It was REALLY old.  I mean...I'm not sure radioisotope dating would  
> even tell us how old this crust was.  :-)
>
> Took me 10 minutes to remove the spent propellant grains and liner  
> from the casing and there's still all sorts of crud adhered to the  
> walls.  The closures are so filthy I haven't even had the heart to  
> start tackling them yet.  I'm now on a mission...I WILL see this  
> casing returned to pristine condition dod gammit!
>
> My question is twofold:    a)  what's best practice for removing  
> ancient APCP residue from the inside of a motor casing tube without  
> scarring up the casing?  and  b)  what's best practice for removing  
> carbonization from the closures--especially the forward closure?
>
> Your input and sage advice is welcomed.  Let the outpouring of  
> wisdom commence!
>
> Pete
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>


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From fred_bare at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 18 16:40:36 2009
From: fred_bare at yahoo.com (Fred Bare)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:40:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?
Message-ID: <634401.9236.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>





Peter,
One way we clean our old airplane engines that have been gunked for 20 + years is Cooking overnight in a crockpot of antifreeze.? Just don't use the crockpot for cooking food after that.? Also soaking in Napha (aka Lighter fluid) Will remove alot of the gunk from the casing.? Just a couple ideas, as I am sure you will hear of others.
Greg Wilson
Roadside Hobbies

--- On Wed, 3/18/09, Schurke, Peter <pmschurke at seattleschools.org> wrote:

From: Schurke, Peter <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hey all,
 
I "inherited" some
 used rocketry stuff this last weekend, mostly estes stuff.? What surprised me was when I opened one of the boxes, I discovered a 38mm motor casing with a spent load still inside it.? It was REALLY old.? I mean...I'm not sure radioisotope dating would even tell us how old this crust was.? :-)
 
Took me 10 minutes to remove the spent propellant grains and liner from the casing and there's still all sorts of crud adhered to the walls.? The closures are so filthy I haven't even had the heart to start tackling them yet.? I'm now on a mission...I WILL see this casing returned to pristine condition dod gammit!
 
My question is twofold:? ? a)? what's best practice for removing ancient APCP residue from the inside of a motor casing tube without scarring up the casing?? and? b)? what's best practice for removing carbonization from the closures--especially the forward closure?
 
Your
 input and sage advice is welcomed.? Let the outpouring of wisdom commence!
 
Pete
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? 



      


      
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Peter,
One way we clean our old airplane engines that have been gunked for 20 + years is Cooking overnight in a crockpot of antifreeze.? Just don't use the crockpot for cooking food after that.? Also soaking in Napha (aka Lighter fluid) Will remove alot of the gunk from the casing.? Just a couple ideas, as I am sure you will hear of others.
Greg Wilson
Roadside Hobbies
--- On
Wed, 3/18/09, Schurke, Peter
<pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
wrote:
From: Schurke, Peter <pmschurke at seattleschools.org>
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 4:08 PM
Hey all,
I "inherited" some used rocketry stuff this last weekend, mostly estes stuff.? What surprised me was when I opened one of the boxes, I discovered a 38mm motor casing with a spent load still inside it.? It was REALLY old.? I mean...I'm not sure radioisotope dating would even tell us how old this crust was.? :-)
Took me 10 minutes to remove the spent propellant grains and liner from the casing and there's still all sorts of crud adhered to the walls.? The closures are so filthy I haven't even had the heart to start tackling them yet.? I'm now on a mission...I WILL see this casing returned to pristine condition dod gammit!
My question is twofold:? ? a)? what's best practice for removing ancient APCP residue from the inside of a motor casing tube without scarring up the casing?? and? b)? what's best practice for removing carbonization from the closures--especially the forward closure?
Your input and sage advice is welcomed.? Let the outpouring of wisdom commence!
Pete
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From dmrandall at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 16:47:58 2009
From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:47:58 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?
In-Reply-To: <5DA876E0-A3BB-48FF-9BA4-B84B11BDED43@mooreread.com>
References: <DDCA19640A5C4ABE8095A4F751806312@Mobile2>
	<F59AD786-8ADE-426F-861B-3AF933D51F89@mooreread.com>
	<F9AE8D47-E736-4BC6-AF2B-37378D980D4C@mooreread.com>
	<A10552558CA347F8894616B6468B2E6F@Mobile2>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A23@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<5DA876E0-A3BB-48FF-9BA4-B84B11BDED43@mooreread.com>
Message-ID: <6bc920e40903181647r44f34676mf22bf2f9f11cfd1f@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure what's in baby wipes, but sure seems to eat away at old crud also.

One thought - grab a 'refill box' of wipes and stuff the tube full of
wipes and throw into a ziplock to prevent evaporation.  Rinse and
repeat as necessary.

Dave

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Terry Moore-Read <terry at mooreread.com> wrote:
> It's toast, send it to me and I'll throw it away for you.
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Schurke, Peter wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I "inherited" some used rocketry stuff this last weekend, mostly
>> estes stuff. ?What surprised me was when I opened one of the boxes,
>> I discovered a 38mm motor casing with a spent load still inside it.
>> It was REALLY old. ?I mean...I'm not sure radioisotope dating would
>> even tell us how old this crust was. ?:-)
>>
>> Took me 10 minutes to remove the spent propellant grains and liner
>> from the casing and there's still all sorts of crud adhered to the
>> walls. ?The closures are so filthy I haven't even had the heart to
>> start tackling them yet. ?I'm now on a mission...I WILL see this
>> casing returned to pristine condition dod gammit!
>>
>> My question is twofold: ? ?a) ?what's best practice for removing
>> ancient APCP residue from the inside of a motor casing tube without
>> scarring up the casing? ?and ?b) ?what's best practice for removing
>> carbonization from the closures--especially the forward closure?
>>
>> Your input and sage advice is welcomed. ?Let the outpouring of
>> wisdom commence!
>>
>> Pete
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>
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From robert.krausert at intel.com  Wed Mar 18 17:03:38 2009
From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:03:38 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?
In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40903181647r44f34676mf22bf2f9f11cfd1f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DDCA19640A5C4ABE8095A4F751806312@Mobile2>
	<F59AD786-8ADE-426F-861B-3AF933D51F89@mooreread.com>
	<F9AE8D47-E736-4BC6-AF2B-37378D980D4C@mooreread.com>
	<A10552558CA347F8894616B6468B2E6F@Mobile2>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A23@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<5DA876E0-A3BB-48FF-9BA4-B84B11BDED43@mooreread.com>
	<6bc920e40903181647r44f34676mf22bf2f9f11cfd1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E21FAD5B3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>

My wife doesn't like me using the dishwasher for cleaning motors any more. So I've been using baby wipes. My other favorite is a 5 gallon bucket of soapy water and a toilet brush. Recommend using a new brush. And just like cleaning a gun barrel, back and forth. Seems to get the gritty carbon from the threads. I realize aluminum doesn't rust, but I always finish with a WD40 wipe down. More to remove soap and water marks/residue.

Or add it to the kids chores. ;-)  

Have fun. Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:48 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?

Not sure what's in baby wipes, but sure seems to eat away at old crud also.

One thought - grab a 'refill box' of wipes and stuff the tube full of
wipes and throw into a ziplock to prevent evaporation.  Rinse and
repeat as necessary.

Dave

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Terry Moore-Read <terry at mooreread.com> wrote:
> It's toast, send it to me and I'll throw it away for you.
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Schurke, Peter wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I "inherited" some used rocketry stuff this last weekend, mostly
>> estes stuff. ?What surprised me was when I opened one of the boxes,
>> I discovered a 38mm motor casing with a spent load still inside it.
>> It was REALLY old. ?I mean...I'm not sure radioisotope dating would
>> even tell us how old this crust was. ?:-)
>>
>> Took me 10 minutes to remove the spent propellant grains and liner
>> from the casing and there's still all sorts of crud adhered to the
>> walls. ?The closures are so filthy I haven't even had the heart to
>> start tackling them yet. ?I'm now on a mission...I WILL see this
>> casing returned to pristine condition dod gammit!
>>
>> My question is twofold: ? ?a) ?what's best practice for removing
>> ancient APCP residue from the inside of a motor casing tube without
>> scarring up the casing? ?and ?b) ?what's best practice for removing
>> carbonization from the closures--especially the forward closure?
>>
>> Your input and sage advice is welcomed. ?Let the outpouring of
>> wisdom commence!
>>
>> Pete
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>
>
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From raystoner99 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 18 17:40:39 2009
From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:40:39 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?
In-Reply-To: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E21FAD5B3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <DDCA19640A5C4ABE8095A4F751806312@Mobile2>	<F59AD786-8ADE-426F-861B-3AF933D51F89@mooreread.com>	<F9AE8D47-E736-4BC6-AF2B-37378D980D4C@mooreread.com>	<A10552558CA347F8894616B6468B2E6F@Mobile2>	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A23@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>	<5DA876E0-A3BB-48FF-9BA4-B84B11BDED43@mooreread.com>	<6bc920e40903181647r44f34676mf22bf2f9f11cfd1f@mail.gmail.com>
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The best way I've found is to convince someone else to do it.

For the really crusty stuff use squares of the green scratchpads on the end
of a drill bit extension.  Think of a wire wheel type concept.  Be careful,
you'll remove material OTHER than crusty stuff if you get to aggressive.

Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Krausert, Robert
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:04 PM
To: Dave Randall; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?

My wife doesn't like me using the dishwasher for cleaning motors any more.
So I've been using baby wipes. My other favorite is a 5 gallon bucket of
soapy water and a toilet brush. Recommend using a new brush. And just like
cleaning a gun barrel, back and forth. Seems to get the gritty carbon from
the threads. I realize aluminum doesn't rust, but I always finish with a
WD40 wipe down. More to remove soap and water marks/residue.

Or add it to the kids chores. ;-)  

Have fun. Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Randall
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:48 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?

Not sure what's in baby wipes, but sure seems to eat away at old crud also.

One thought - grab a 'refill box' of wipes and stuff the tube full of
wipes and throw into a ziplock to prevent evaporation.  Rinse and
repeat as necessary.

Dave

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Terry Moore-Read <terry at mooreread.com>
wrote:
> It's toast, send it to me and I'll throw it away for you.
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Schurke, Peter wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I "inherited" some used rocketry stuff this last weekend, mostly
>> estes stuff. ?What surprised me was when I opened one of the boxes,
>> I discovered a 38mm motor casing with a spent load still inside it.
>> It was REALLY old. ?I mean...I'm not sure radioisotope dating would
>> even tell us how old this crust was. ?:-)
>>
>> Took me 10 minutes to remove the spent propellant grains and liner
>> from the casing and there's still all sorts of crud adhered to the
>> walls. ?The closures are so filthy I haven't even had the heart to
>> start tackling them yet. ?I'm now on a mission...I WILL see this
>> casing returned to pristine condition dod gammit!
>>
>> My question is twofold: ? ?a) ?what's best practice for removing
>> ancient APCP residue from the inside of a motor casing tube without
>> scarring up the casing? ?and ?b) ?what's best practice for removing
>> carbonization from the closures--especially the forward closure?
>>
>> Your input and sage advice is welcomed. ?Let the outpouring of
>> wisdom commence!
>>
>> Pete
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>
>
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Wed Mar 18 17:42:48 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:42:48 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Joint Statement
Message-ID: <5A12243ED91F46258FC459F0563E7CC5@Mobile2>

Reposted with permission.
 
Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 
Advanced release of the joint statement on the lawsuit.

Ken Good

**************

JOINT TRA/NAR STATEMENT ON THE LAWSUIT VS BATFE March 18, 2009

After a conference with our legal counsel, we provide the following
information to our members on how to proceed in the aftermath of the
favorable decision by Judge Walton in our lawsuit to eliminate the
unjustified regulation of Ammonium Perchlorate Composite Propellant (APCP)
imposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE).
We cannot offer legal advice to individual members, and members should
consult their own legal counsel if there are any questions about how to
proceed. 

First, we should assume that the judge's decision "vacating", or rendering
null and void, the BATFE regulation of APCP will not take effect until the
period for appeal by the BATFE has passed without their filing an appeal.
This will be approximately 60 days from now. However, even if an appeal is
filed, it is possible for the Court's judgment to be in effect and BATFE
regulation to be nullified while the appeal is pending. We will advise you
if this is this is the case.

If BATFE should appeal the decision, regardless of the fact that there is
almost no credible basis for such an appeal or for the appeal to be approved
by the Department of Justice, we should await the results of the appeal to
the U.S. Court of Appeals before assuming that BATFE no longer regulates
APCP in the long term. However, unless the appellate court grants the agency
a "stay of judgment" (which they may request, should they appeal) final
judgment will be considered in effect at the end of the 60 day period
mentioned above. At that time, the Judge Walton's decision will take effect
and could only be nullified by an overturn on appeal. Should the appellate
court grant BATFE a stay of judgment, we will have to await the decision of
the court before Judge Walton's decision would be considered final and in
effect. 

An appeal could take up to six months, and possibly more time. If there is
no appeal, then the regulations are automatically cancelled even if BATFE
chooses not to publish a notice of such cancellation. 

We will keep our members advised of the status of any appeals and will let
you know the exact official date on which the regulations are no longer in
effect. After this official date, you will not be required to have BATFE
licenses or be subject to BATFE inspection or oversight for sport rocketry
operations with APCP in any quantity and should show a copy of the Court
judgment to any BATFE agent who takes an opposite position.

Second, members should proceed for now on the basis that all these BATFE
regulations remain in effect. Appropriate licenses are still required to
buy, sell, possess, and/or store APCP until such time as the regulations are
cancelled. If you have a license up for renewal between now and late May (or
whatever later date may be determined by any BATFE appeal process), you will
have to renew it if you wish to perform any of these transactions.

Third, once the regulations are canceled, members are reminded that
high-power user certifications are still required for purchasing or using
high-power motors even if BATFE licenses are not. We have a great reputation
as a self-regulating group of responsible hobbyists and our future success
in defending the freedom we just won back could depend on maintaining this
reputation.

Fourth, this Court decision did not change the regulated status of other
sport rocketry items such as black powder, some kinds of igniters, etc. To
the extent that any of these items previously required licenses and magazine
storage, nothing has changed. Nor does the decision affect licensing and
regulation by other federal, state or local government agencies. 

We thank our members for their continued patience and for their sustained
moral and financial support as we have fought this long battle successfully
together.

Ken Good, President

Tripoli Rocketry Association

Trip Barber, President

National Association of Rocketry

 
 
-------------- next part --------------
Reposted with permission.
?
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com www.scottsrockets.com
?
Advanced release of the joint statement on the lawsuit.
Ken Good
**************
JOINT TRA/NAR STATEMENT ON THE LAWSUIT VS BATFE March 18, 2009
After a conference with our legal counsel, we provide the following information to our members on how to proceed in the aftermath of the favorable decision by Judge Walton in our lawsuit to eliminate the unjustified regulation of Ammonium Perchlorate Composite Propellant (APCP) imposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE). We cannot offer legal advice to individual members, and members should consult their own legal counsel if there are any questions about how to proceed.
First, we should assume that the judge's decision "vacating", or rendering null and void, the BATFE regulation of APCP will not take effect until the period for appeal by the BATFE has passed without their filing an appeal. This will be approximately 60 days from now. However, even if an appeal is filed, it is possible for the Court???s judgment to be in effect and BATFE regulation to be nullified while the appeal is pending. We will advise you if this is this is the case.
If BATFE should appeal the decision, regardless of the fact that there is almost no credible basis for such an appeal or for the appeal to be approved by the Department of Justice, we should await the results of the appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals before assuming that BATFE no longer regulates APCP in the long term. However, unless the appellate court grants the agency a "stay of judgment" (which they may request, should they appeal) final judgment will be considered in effect at the end of the 60 day period mentioned above. At that time, the Judge Walton???s decision will take effect and could only be nullified by an overturn on appeal. Should the appellate court grant BATFE a stay of judgment, we will have to await the decision of the court before Judge Walton???s decision would be considered final and in effect.
An appeal could take up to six months, and possibly more time. If there is no appeal, then the regulations are automatically cancelled even if BATFE chooses not to publish a notice of such cancellation.
We will keep our members advised of the status of any appeals and will let you know the exact official date on which the regulations are no longer in effect. After this official date, you will not be required to have BATFE licenses or be subject to BATFE inspection or oversight for sport rocketry operations with APCP in any quantity and should show a copy of the Court judgment to any BATFE agent who takes an opposite position.
Second, members should proceed for now on the basis that all these BATFE regulations remain in effect. Appropriate licenses are still required to buy, sell, possess, and/or store APCP until such time as the regulations are cancelled. If you have a license up for renewal between now and late May (or whatever later date may be determined by any BATFE appeal process), you will have to renew it if you wish to perform any of these transactions.
Third, once the regulations are canceled, members are reminded that high-power user certifications are still required for purchasing or using high-power motors even if BATFE licenses are not. We have a great reputation as a self-regulating group of responsible hobbyists and our future success in defending the freedom we just won back could depend on maintaining this reputation.
Fourth, this Court decision did not change the regulated status of other sport rocketry items such as black powder, some kinds of igniters, etc. To the extent that any of these items previously required licenses and magazine storage, nothing has changed. Nor does the decision affect licensing and regulation by other federal, state or local government agencies.
We thank our members for their continued patience and for their sustained moral and financial support as we have fought this long battle successfully together.
Ken Good, President
Tripoli Rocketry Association
Trip Barber, President
National Association of Rocketry
?
?

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Wed Mar 18 17:45:12 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:45:12 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Joint Statement
In-Reply-To: <5A12243ED91F46258FC459F0563E7CC5@Mobile2>
References: <5A12243ED91F46258FC459F0563E7CC5@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <80BFCA6045E0415BBBA2DF20DEDF88E2@Mobile2>

Ken has actually requested that we post this everywhere, so if you are on a
list somewhere, post it, they want as many rocketeers to see it as possible.



Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:43 PM
To: 'NorthWest Rocketry'
Subject: [RocketsNW] Joint Statement

Reposted with permission.
 
Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 
Advanced release of the joint statement on the lawsuit.

Ken Good

**************

JOINT TRA/NAR STATEMENT ON THE LAWSUIT VS BATFE March 18, 2009

After a conference with our legal counsel, we provide the following
information to our members on how to proceed in the aftermath of the
favorable decision by Judge Walton in our lawsuit to eliminate the
unjustified regulation of Ammonium Perchlorate Composite Propellant (APCP)
imposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE).
We cannot offer legal advice to individual members, and members should
consult their own legal counsel if there are any questions about how to
proceed. 

First, we should assume that the judge's decision "vacating", or rendering
null and void, the BATFE regulation of APCP will not take effect until the
period for appeal by the BATFE has passed without their filing an appeal.
This will be approximately 60 days from now. However, even if an appeal is
filed, it is possible for the Court's judgment to be in effect and BATFE
regulation to be nullified while the appeal is pending. We will advise you
if this is this is the case.

If BATFE should appeal the decision, regardless of the fact that there is
almost no credible basis for such an appeal or for the appeal to be approved
by the Department of Justice, we should await the results of the appeal to
the U.S. Court of Appeals before assuming that BATFE no longer regulates
APCP in the long term. However, unless the appellate court grants the agency
a "stay of judgment" (which they may request, should they appeal) final
judgment will be considered in effect at the end of the 60 day period
mentioned above. At that time, the Judge Walton's decision will take effect
and could only be nullified by an overturn on appeal. Should the appellate
court grant BATFE a stay of judgment, we will have to await the decision of
the court before Judge Walton's decision would be considered final and in
effect. 

An appeal could take up to six months, and possibly more time. If there is
no appeal, then the regulations are automatically cancelled even if BATFE
chooses not to publish a notice of such cancellation. 

We will keep our members advised of the status of any appeals and will let
you know the exact official date on which the regulations are no longer in
effect. After this official date, you will not be required to have BATFE
licenses or be subject to BATFE inspection or oversight for sport rocketry
operations with APCP in any quantity and should show a copy of the Court
judgment to any BATFE agent who takes an opposite position.

Second, members should proceed for now on the basis that all these BATFE
regulations remain in effect. Appropriate licenses are still required to
buy, sell, possess, and/or store APCP until such time as the regulations are
cancelled. If you have a license up for renewal between now and late May (or
whatever later date may be determined by any BATFE appeal process), you will
have to renew it if you wish to perform any of these transactions.

Third, once the regulations are canceled, members are reminded that
high-power user certifications are still required for purchasing or using
high-power motors even if BATFE licenses are not. We have a great reputation
as a self-regulating group of responsible hobbyists and our future success
in defending the freedom we just won back could depend on maintaining this
reputation.

Fourth, this Court decision did not change the regulated status of other
sport rocketry items such as black powder, some kinds of igniters, etc. To
the extent that any of these items previously required licenses and magazine
storage, nothing has changed. Nor does the decision affect licensing and
regulation by other federal, state or local government agencies. 

We thank our members for their continued patience and for their sustained
moral and financial support as we have fought this long battle successfully
together.

Ken Good, President

Tripoli Rocketry Association

Trip Barber, President

National Association of Rocketry

 
 


From terry at mooreread.com  Wed Mar 18 17:45:58 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:45:58 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ok - Here's what the lawyers are saying
Message-ID: <98CA0C62-1FE4-4B1A-8BE2-97161B8977D0@mooreread.com>

March 18, 2009

After a conference with our legal counsel, we provide the following  
information to our members on how to proceed in the aftermath of the  
favorable decision by Judge Walton in our lawsuit to eliminate the  
unjustified regulation of Ammonium Perchlorate Composite Propellant  
(APCP) imposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and  
Explosives (BATFE).  We cannot offer legal advice to individual  
members, and members should consult their own legal counsel if there  
are any questions about how to proceed.

First, we should assume that the judge's decision "vacating", or  
rendering null and void, the BATFE regulation of APCP will not take  
effect until the period for appeal by the BATFE has passed without  
their filing an appeal.  This will be approximately 60 days from now.  
However, even if an appeal is filed, it is possible for the Court?s  
judgment to be in effect and BATFE regulation to be nullified while  
the appeal is pending.  We will advise you if this is this is the case.

If BATFE should appeal the decision, regardless of the fact that there  
is almost no credible basis for such an appeal or for the appeal to be  
approved by the Department of Justice, we should await the results of  
the appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals before assuming that BATFE no  
longer regulates APCP in the long term.  However, unless the appellate  
court grants the agency a ?stay of judgment? (which they may request,  
should they appeal) final judgment will be considered in effect at the  
end of the 60 day period mentioned above.  At that time, the Judge  
Walton?s decision will take effect and could only be nullified by an  
overturn on appeal.  Should the appellate court grant BATFE a stay of  
judgment, we will have to await the decision of the court before Judge  
Walton?s decision would be considered final and in effect.

An appeal could take up to six months, and possibly more time.  If  
there is no appeal, then the regulations are automatically cancelled  
even if BATFE chooses not to publish a notice of such cancellation.

We will keep our members advised of the status of any appeals and will  
let you know the exact official date on which the regulations are no  
longer in effect.  After this official date, you will not be required  
to have BATFE licenses or be subject to BATFE inspection or oversight  
for sport rocketry operations with APCP in any quantity and should  
show a copy of the Court judgment to any BATFE agent who takes an  
opposite position.

Second, members should proceed for now on the basis that all these  
BATFE regulations remain in effect.  Appropriate licenses are still  
required to buy, sell, possess, and/or store APCP until such time as  
the regulations are cancelled.  If you have a license up for renewal  
between now and late May (or whatever later date may be determined by  
any BATFE appeal process), you will have to renew it if you wish to  
perform any of these transactions.

Third, once the regulations are canceled, members are reminded that  
high-power user certifications are still required for purchasing or  
using high-power motors even if BATFE licenses are not.  We have a  
great reputation as a self-regulating group of responsible hobbyists  
and our future success in defending the freedom we just won back could  
depend on maintaining this reputation.

Fourth, this Court decision did not change the regulated status of  
other sport rocketry items such as black powder, some kinds of  
igniters, etc.  To the extent that any of these items previously  
required licenses and magazine storage, nothing has changed.  Nor does  
the decision affect licensing and regulation by other federal, state  
or local government agencies.

We thank our members for their continued patience and for their  
sustained moral and financial support as we have fought this long  
battle successfully together.

Ken Good, President

Tripoli Rocketry Association

Trip Barber, President

National Association of Rocketry
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March 18, 2009
After a conference with our legal counsel, we provide the following information to our members on how to proceed in the aftermath of the favorable decision by Judge Walton in our lawsuit to eliminate the unjustified regulation of Ammonium Perchlorate Composite Propellant (APCP) imposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE).? We cannot offer legal advice to individual members, and members should consult their own legal counsel if there are any questions about how to proceed.?
First, we should assume that the judge's decision "vacating", or rendering null and void, the BATFE regulation of APCP will not take effect until the period for appeal by the BATFE has passed without their filing an appeal.? This will be approximately 60 days from now.
?
However, even if an appeal is filed, it is possible for the Court?s judgment to be in effect and BATFE regulation to be nullified while the appeal is pending.? We will advise you if this is this is the case.
If BATFE should appeal the decision, regardless of the fact that there is almost no credible basis for such an appeal or for the appeal to be approved by the Department of Justice, we should await the results of the appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals before assuming that BATFE no longer regulates APCP in the long term.? However, unless the appellate court grants the agency a ?stay of judgment? (which they may request, should they appeal) final judgment will be considered in effect at the end of the 60 day period mentioned above.? At that time, the Judge Walton?s decision will take effect and could only be nullified by an overturn on appeal.? Should the appellate court grant BATFE a stay of judgment, we will have to await the decision of the court before Judge Walton?s decision would be considered final and in effect.?
An appeal could take up to six months, and possibly more time.? If there is no appeal, then the regulations are automatically cancelled even if BATFE chooses not to publish a notice of such cancellation.?
We will keep our members advised of the status of any appeals and will let you know the exact official date on which the regulations are no longer in effect.? After this official date, you will not be required to have BATFE licenses or be subject to BATFE inspection or oversight for sport rocketry operations with APCP in any quantity and should show a copy of the Court judgment to any BATFE agent who takes an opposite position.
Second, members should proceed for now on the basis that all these BATFE regulations remain in effect.? Appropriate licenses are still required to buy, sell, possess, and/or store APCP until such time as the regulations are cancelled.? If you have a license up for renewal between now and late May (or whatever later date may be determined by any BATFE appeal process), you will have to renew it if you wish to perform any of these transactions.
Third, once the regulations are canceled, members are reminded that high-power user certifications are still required for purchasing or using high-power motors even if BATFE licenses are not.? We have a great reputation as a self-regulating group of responsible hobbyists and our future success in defending the freedom we just won back could depend on maintaining this reputation.
Fourth, this Court decision did not change the regulated status of other sport rocketry items such as black powder, some kinds of igniters, etc.? To the extent that any of these items previously required licenses and magazine storage, nothing has changed.? Nor does the decision affect licensing and regulation by other federal, state or local government agencies.?
We thank our members for their continued patience and for their sustained moral and financial support as we have fought this long battle successfully together.
Ken Good, President
Tripoli Rocketry Association
?
Trip Barber, President
National Association of Rocketry

From brodwcjj at integrity.com  Wed Mar 18 19:19:09 2009
From: brodwcjj at integrity.com (brodwcjj at integrity.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:19:09 -0500
Subject: [RocketsNW] And on the lighter side of the news ...
In-Reply-To: <mailman.394.1237423558.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
References: <mailman.394.1237423558.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <20090318211909.189810ouse7pnh6s@wm.integrity.com>

 From the weird rocketry news desk:


Little Bat Hangs On For Ride on Shuttle Launch


http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20090318/sc_space/bathungonforarideintospace

From absworld at cet.com  Wed Mar 18 20:57:01 2009
From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:57:01 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?
In-Reply-To: <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688017C868E15@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net>
References: <DDCA19640A5C4ABE8095A4F751806312@Mobile2><F59AD786-8ADE-426F-861B-3AF933D51F89@mooreread.com><F9AE8D47-E736-4BC6-AF2B-37378D980D4C@mooreread.com>	<A10552558CA347F8894616B6468B2E6F@Mobile2>	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A23@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688017C868E15@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net>
Message-ID: <02e401c9a846$c20d2bf0$462783d0$@com>

As for 'repeat as needed' that can go on for weeks.
A length of PVC/ABS pipe with a glued end cap makes a great soaking vessel.
A sharp awl works well to loosen crusty liner w/o scratching.
For final clean up, I love Hoppes #9 gun solvent both because it works well
and smells good too.
The Hoppes #9 is also a good lubricant if you're using sandpaper (emery
cloth?) for cleaning up closures.

Bob Yanecek


-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:32 PM
To: pmschurke at seattleschools.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?

5:1 Hot water to vinegar. Let the casing sit in the solution for about an
hour, clean out the loosened crud, and put the casing back into the solution
for another hour. Repeat as needed.

John
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:09 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?

Hey all,
 
I "inherited" some used rocketry stuff this last weekend, mostly estes
stuff.  What surprised me was when I opened one of the boxes, I discovered a
38mm motor casing with a spent load still inside it.  It was REALLY old.  I
mean...I'm not sure radioisotope dating would even tell us how old this
crust was.  :-)
 
Took me 10 minutes to remove the spent propellant grains and liner from the
casing and there's still all sorts of crud adhered to the walls.  The
closures are so filthy I haven't even had the heart to start tackling them
yet.  I'm now on a mission...I WILL see this casing returned to pristine
condition dod gammit!
 
My question is twofold:    a)  what's best practice for removing ancient
APCP residue from the inside of a motor casing tube without scarring up the
casing?  and  b)  what's best practice for removing carbonization from the
closures--especially the forward closure?
 
Your input and sage advice is welcomed.  Let the outpouring of wisdom
commence!
 
Pete
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From jhadv at pacifier.com  Wed Mar 18 21:24:59 2009
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:24:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
In-Reply-To: <mailman.385.1237402423.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
References: <mailman.385.1237402423.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <2105.67.189.35.224.1237436699.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>

"Rockets are not launched without the motor listed on the flight card,
never seen it happen except for model rocket rack."

Horse poo.  Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for last
years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a launch
where the cards are incompletely filled out.  As to which pads they are
off, one can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor listed
on it does it.  Also I think your assertion that sellers will only sell to
people who are appropriately certified is incredible on its face.  Common
experience strongly suggests otherwise.  If a man is selling something
legal and is interested in sales he normally tends not to ask too many
questions.  Why should he?  The sale is legal.  You don't even have to be
over 18 anymore as nobody has jurisdiction over APCP for the moment.


From scott at scottsrockets.com  Wed Mar 18 21:30:34 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:30:34 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
In-Reply-To: <2105.67.189.35.224.1237436699.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
References: <mailman.385.1237402423.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
	<2105.67.189.35.224.1237436699.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
Message-ID: <9D3E7B1636FC40C4B51A958499BD2125@Mobile2>

There are so many false statements in that email I wouldn't even know where
to start. You may want to look up CSPC or NFPA. Just for starters......


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of jhadv at pacifier.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:25 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES

"Rockets are not launched without the motor listed on the flight card, never
seen it happen except for model rocket rack."

Horse poo.  Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for last
years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a launch where
the cards are incompletely filled out.  As to which pads they are off, one
can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor listed on it does
it.  Also I think your assertion that sellers will only sell to people who
are appropriately certified is incredible on its face.  Common experience
strongly suggests otherwise.  If a man is selling something legal and is
interested in sales he normally tends not to ask too many questions.  Why
should he?  The sale is legal.  You don't even have to be over 18 anymore as
nobody has jurisdiction over APCP for the moment.

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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 21:47:37 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:47:37 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
References: <mailman.385.1237402423.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
	<2105.67.189.35.224.1237436699.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
Message-ID: <007a01c9a84d$d4ecb2c0$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>

Wrong. That is finding the negative in what 99.9% of us try to keep true to 
our associations rules.

I know every vendor and hobby store will verify TRA and NAR cert level 
before selling. If you know of one that ignores the rules, talk to them and 
require them to enforce it. There is no excuse for this. I know my vendors 
and hobby shop are serious.

As far as flight cards; I've done many hours as the LCO at OROC events. I 
will reject an incomplete card. And so should you.

Between us on the TRA side and our brothers and sisters on the NAR side, we 
better be enforcing the practice of cert level cheching and complete flight 
cards. Otherwise you are playing the hand that AFT suspected. We are self 
policing, and we better.

So I ask that emails like this, the local club seek gaps and solve through 
improved processes.

If you have an incomplete card, reject it. Period.

Cheers,
Robert



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jhadv at pacifier.com>
To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES


> "Rockets are not launched without the motor listed on the flight card,
> never seen it happen except for model rocket rack."
>
> Horse poo.  Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for last
> years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a launch
> where the cards are incompletely filled out.  As to which pads they are
> off, one can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor listed
> on it does it.  Also I think your assertion that sellers will only sell to
> people who are appropriately certified is incredible on its face.  Common
> experience strongly suggests otherwise.  If a man is selling something
> legal and is interested in sales he normally tends not to ask too many
> questions.  Why should he?  The sale is legal.  You don't even have to be
> over 18 anymore as nobody has jurisdiction over APCP for the moment.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 


From terry at mooreread.com  Wed Mar 18 21:52:29 2009
From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:52:29 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
In-Reply-To: <2105.67.189.35.224.1237436699.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
References: <mailman.385.1237402423.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
	<2105.67.189.35.224.1237436699.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com>
Message-ID: <9A913D6A-A259-4DDB-8708-6E37EB77340F@mooreread.com>

CPSC prohibits the sale of larger motors to persons under 18.

On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:24 PM, jhadv at pacifier.com wrote:

> "Rockets are not launched without the motor listed on the flight card,
> never seen it happen except for model rocket rack."
>
> Horse poo.  Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for  
> last
> years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a launch
> where the cards are incompletely filled out.  As to which pads they  
> are
> off, one can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor  
> listed
> on it does it.  Also I think your assertion that sellers will only  
> sell to
> people who are appropriately certified is incredible on its face.   
> Common
> experience strongly suggests otherwise.  If a man is selling something
> legal and is interested in sales he normally tends not to ask too many
> questions.  Why should he?  The sale is legal.  You don't even have  
> to be
> over 18 anymore as nobody has jurisdiction over APCP for the moment.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>


From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org  Wed Mar 18 22:29:10 2009
From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:29:10 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Regarding "favorable ruling".....
Message-ID: <a06240802c5e788a0c073@[10.0.1.67]>

	Greetings,
I have been waiting for this since the announcement was made 
regarding the decision. I was hoping, like many of you, that you 
could come to our booth and purchase as many J350's as you wanted ( 
well, as long as you are a L2 flyer and a member of NAR/Tripoli), but 
it looks like we are going to have to wait a bit. So in the mean 
time, we will be starting our "March Madness Sale" a bit later than I 
had hoped, but should be able to get it posted by this weekend. Sorry 
for the delay, I was just so excited by the results of the "favorable 
decision"

Details to follow.....

Enjoy,
Bob Grossfeld
Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory
www.rocketryshop.org



>
>
>
>National Association of Rocketry
>March 18, 2009
>JOINT TRA/NAR STATEMENT ON THE LAWSUIT VS BATFE
>
>March 18, 2009
>
>After a conference with our legal counsel, we provide the following 
>information to our members on how to proceed in the aftermath of the 
>favorable decision by Judge Walton in our lawsuit to eliminate the 
>unjustified regulation of Ammonium Perchlorate Composite Propellant 
>(APCP) imposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and 
>Explosives (BATFE).  We cannot offer legal advice to individual 
>members, and members should consult their own legal counsel if there 
>are any questions about how to proceed.
>
>First, we should assume that the judge's decision "vacating", or 
>rendering null and void, the BATFE regulation of APCP will not take 
>effect until the period for appeal by the BATFE has passed without 
>their filing an appeal.  This will be approximately 60 days from 
>now.However, even if an appeal is filed, it is possible for the 
>Court's judgment to be in effect and BATFE regulation to be 
>nullified while the appeal is pending.  We will advise you if this 
>is this is the case.
>
>If BATFE should appeal the decision, regardless of the fact that 
>there is almost no credible basis for such an appeal or for the 
>appeal to be approved by the Department of Justice, we should await 
>the results of the appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals before 
>assuming that BATFE no longer regulates APCP in the long term. 
>However, unless the appellate court grants the agency a "stay of 
>judgment" (which they may request, should they appeal) final 
>judgment will be considered in effect at the end of the 60 day 
>period mentioned above.  At that time, the Judge Walton's decision 
>will take effect and could only be nullified by an overturn on 
>appeal.  Should the appellate court grant BATFE a stay of judgment, 
>we will have to await the decision of the court before Judge 
>Walton's decision would be considered final and in effect. 
>An appeal could take up to six months, and possibly more time.  If 
>there is no appeal, then the regulations are automatically cancelled 
>even if BATFE chooses not to publish a notice of such cancellation.
>   
>  We will keep our members advised of the status of any appeals and 
>will let you know the exact official date on which the regulations 
>are no longer in effect.  After this official date, you will not be 
>required to have BATFE licenses or be subject to BATFE inspection or 
>oversight for sport rocketry operations with APCP in any quantity 
>and should show a copy of the Court judgment to any BATFE agent who 
>takes an opposite position.
>
>Second, members should proceed for now on the basis that all these 
>BATFE regulations remain in effect.  Appropriate licenses are still 
>required to buy, sell, possess, and/or store APCP until such time as 
>the regulations are cancelled.  If you have a license up for renewal 
>between now and late May (or whatever later date may be determined 
>by any BATFE appeal process), you will have to renew it if you wish 
>to perform any of these transactions.
>Third, once the regulations are canceled, members are reminded that 
>high-power user certifications are still required for purchasing or 
>using high-power motors even if BATFE licenses are not.  We have a 
>great reputation as a self-regulating group of responsible hobbyists 
>and our future success in defending the freedom we just won back 
>could depend on maintaining this reputation.
>
>Fourth, this Court decision did not change the regulated status of 
>other sport rocketry items such as black powder, some kinds of 
>igniters, etc.  To the extent that any of these items previously 
>required licenses and magazine storage, nothing has changed.  Nor 
>does the decision affect licensing and regulation by other federal, 
>state or local government agencies. 
>We thank our members for their continued patience and for their 
>sustained moral and financial support as we have fought this long 
>battle successfully together.
>
>
>Ken Good, President
>Tripoli Rocketry Association
>
>Trip Barber, President
>National Association of Rocketry
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Regarding "favorable ruling".....
???????
Greetings,
I have been waiting for this since the announcement was made regarding the decision. I was hoping, like many of you, that you could come to our booth and purchase as many J350's as you wanted ( well, as long as you are a L2 flyer and a member of NAR/Tripoli), but it looks like we are going to have to wait a bit. So in the mean time, we will be starting our "March Madness Sale" a bit later than I had hoped, but should be able to get it posted by this weekend. Sorry for the delay, I was just so excited by the results of the "favorable decision"
Details to follow.....
Enjoy,
Bob Grossfeld
Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory
www.rocketryshop.org
cid:a06240802c5e788a0c073@[10.0.1.67].1.0
National Association of Rocketry
March 18, 2009
JOINT TRA/NAR STATEMENT ON THE LAWSUIT VS BATFE
March 18, 2009
After a conference with our legal counsel, we provide the following information to our members on how to proceed in the aftermath of the favorable decision by Judge Walton in our lawsuit to eliminate the unjustified regulation of Ammonium Perchlorate Composite Propellant (APCP) imposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE).? We cannot offer legal advice to individual members, and members should consult their own legal counsel if there are any questions about how to proceed.
?
First, we should assume that the judge's decision "vacating", or rendering null and void, the BATFE regulation of APCP will not take effect until the period for appeal by the BATFE has passed without their filing an appeal.? This will be approximately 60 days from now.However, even if an appeal is filed, it is possible for the Court's judgment to be in effect and BATFE regulation to be nullified while the appeal is pending.? We will advise you if this is this is the case.
If BATFE should appeal the decision, regardless of the fact that there is almost no credible basis for such an appeal or for the appeal to be approved by the Department of Justice, we should await the results of the appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals before assuming that BATFE no longer regulates APCP in the long term.? However, unless the appellate court grants the agency a "stay of judgment" (which they may request, should they appeal) final judgment will be considered in effect at the end of the 60 day period mentioned above.? At that time, the Judge Walton's decision will take effect and could only be nullified by an overturn on appeal.? Should the appellate court grant BATFE a stay of judgment, we will have to await the decision of the court before Judge Walton's decision would be considered final and in effect.?
An appeal could take up to six months, and possibly more time.? If there is no appeal, then the regulations are automatically cancelled even if BATFE chooses not to publish a notice of such cancellation.
??
?We will keep our members advised of the status of any appeals and will let you know the exact official date on which the regulations are no longer in effect.? After this official date, you will not be required to have BATFE licenses or be subject to BATFE inspection or oversight for sport rocketry operations with APCP in any quantity and should show a copy of the Court judgment to any BATFE agent who takes an opposite position.
Second, members should proceed for now on the basis that all these BATFE regulations remain in effect.? Appropriate licenses are still required to buy, sell, possess, and/or store APCP until such time as the regulations are cancelled.? If you have a license up for renewal between now and late May (or whatever later date may be determined by any BATFE appeal process), you will have to renew it if you wish to perform any of these transactions.
Third, once the regulations are canceled, members are reminded that high-power user certifications are still required for purchasing or using high-power motors even if BATFE licenses are not.? We have a great reputation as a self-regulating group of responsible hobbyists and our future success in defending the freedom we just won back could depend on maintaining this reputation.
Fourth, this Court decision did not change the regulated status of other sport rocketry items such as black powder, some kinds of igniters, etc.? To the extent that any of these items previously required licenses and magazine storage, nothing has changed.? Nor does the decision affect licensing and regulation by other federal, state or local government agencies.?
We thank our members for their continued patience and for their sustained moral and financial support as we have fought this long battle successfully together.
?
Ken Good, President
Tripoli Rocketry Association
?
Trip Barber, President
National Association of Rocketry
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From Mfreptiles at aol.com  Wed Mar 18 22:31:06 2009
From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:31:06 EDT
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
Message-ID: <c22.5888b13d.36f3329a@aol.com>

Horse poo?  Really......
 
Excuse me, but I have attended most of the OROC launches for the past ten  
years and I've never witnessed a HPR launched without the motor being  listed.  
Nor have I seen or heard of any instance of motors being sold to  uncertified 
individuals at any OROC or TRA launch except for the sole purpose of  
certification flights.  
 
And yes, you do have to be over 18 to buy a HPR motor and certified by NAR  
or TRA to the impulse otherwise the dealer will not sell the motor.  From  what 
I've seen, all motors sales are documented with a TRA or NAR member number  
and cert level by the dealer.  Motor vendors have to adhere to the same TRA  
and NAR regulations as flyers.  This is all in TRA and NAR handbooks and is  
also part of their insurance policy.
 
If you have proof of any backroom deals, lets hear it.
 
Also, it would be easy to trace which pads those cards with missing motor  
info were launched from because even if the motor info is missing, the pad  
assignment won't be.  I would bet that all of the rockets with missing  motor info 
have a pad assignment from the mid or low power pads.
 
>From what I have witnessed over the past ten years is a well run  
organization with no one playing fast and loose with the rules, especially motor  dealers.
 
How many launches have you attended?  To assume that dealers will  break all 
of the rules for money is just asinine.  If this happened, they  would be 
asked to leave the launch, just ask Jerry Irvine, which I'd be  surprised if 
you've ever heard of him.
 
And you are wrong, ATF still has jurisdiction over APCP.  The fat lady  has 
not sung yet.
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 3/18/2009 9:25:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
jhadv at pacifier.com writes:

Horse  poo.  Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for  last
years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a  launch
where the cards are incompletely filled out.  As to which pads  they are
off, one can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor  listed
on it does it.  Also I think your assertion that sellers will  only sell to
people who are appropriately certified is incredible on its  face.  Common
experience strongly suggests otherwise.  If a man  is selling something
legal and is interested in sales he normally tends not  to ask too many
questions.  Why should he?  The sale is  legal.  You don't even have to be
over 18 anymore as nobody has  jurisdiction over APCP for the  moment.



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Horse poo?? Really......
?
Excuse me, but I have attended most of the OROC launches for the past ten years and I've never witnessed a HPR launched without the motor being listed.? Nor have I seen or heard of any instance of motors being sold to uncertified individuals at any OROC or TRA launch except for the sole purpose of certification flights.?
?
And yes, you do have to be over 18 to buy a HPR motor and certified by NAR or TRA to the impulse otherwise the dealer will not sell the motor.? From what I've seen, all motors sales are documented with a TRA or NAR member number and cert level by the dealer.? Motor vendors have to adhere to the same TRA and NAR regulations as flyers.? This is all in TRA and NAR handbooks and is also part of their insurance policy.
?
If you have proof of any backroom deals, lets hear it.
?
Also, it would be easy to trace which pads those cards with missing motor info were launched from because even if the motor info is missing, the pad assignment won't be.? I would bet that all of the rockets with missing motor info have a pad assignment from the mid or low power pads.
?
>From what I have witnessed over the past ten years is a well run organization with no one playing fast and loose with the rules, especially motor dealers.
?
How many launches have you attended?? To assume that dealers will break all of the rules for money is just asinine.? If this happened, they would?be asked to leave the launch, just ask Jerry Irvine, which I'd be surprised if you've ever heard of him.
?
And you are wrong, ATF still has jurisdiction over APCP.? The fat lady has not sung yet.
?
Mike F.
?
In a message dated 3/18/2009 9:25:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhadv at pacifier.com writes:
Horse poo.? Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for last
years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a launch
where the cards are incompletely filled out.? As to which pads they are
off, one can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor listed
on it does it.? Also I think your assertion that sellers will only sell to
people who are appropriately certified is incredible on its face.? Common
experience strongly suggests otherwise.? If a man is selling something
legal and is interested in sales he normally tends not to ask too many
questions.? Why should he?? The sale is legal.? You don't even have to be
over 18 anymore as nobody has jurisdiction over APCP for the moment.
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From bphlat234 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 18 23:05:10 2009
From: bphlat234 at comcast.net (Gary Harris)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:05:10 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] FW:  LEUP renewal
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References: <13916B0443484F94A40E4D7A68F1754D@Mobile2>
	<F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB3FB4E403@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
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I got a bunch of Cosmos ematches by quickburst from Bob a few years back 
when he was selling them - as I recall quickburst wasn't quite legal and was 
asked by the bureau to stop making them.  I've also used homemade ones and 
just plain nichrome wire ala Newton's 3rd canisters.

One does not need a LEUP to buy motor igniters, only ematches. Don't ask me 
why !

Gary Harris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Azinger, Fred" <fred.azinger at intel.com>
To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal


> Renew -- how can you not?
> Unless you are planning to fly commercial only with motor eject, you are 
> going to need your LEUP to buy e-matches and igniters.
> If you already have a LEUP, renew so you can continue to buy these items.
>
> Otherwise you'll join the "common, unwashed masses"... people who need to 
> wander around launches scrounging and begging for e-matches.....
>
> Keep you papers... So you too can be one of the people [continuing] to 
> help those who can't get a LEUP...
>
> For those who have been to lazy to get your LEUP, what are you using for 
> deployment?  Why is OK for you to be a mooch?  I like to help enable 
> people to fly....but there is a limit.....  Now that everyone can fly 
> (motor eject) I think I'll be taking a harder look at who wants LEUP-Buddy 
> help and why.  If you want to fly electronics but just haven't bothered 
> with your LEUP I'll be suggesting you stick to motor eject....
>
> My Opinion....
> FredA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] 
> On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:56 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: LEUP renewal
>
>
>
> I would tell him you would like to wait a bit and get advice from our 
> legal
> team now that APCP is not an explosive, and you may not need to renew. Be
> polite and truthful. Continue to keep your records until we do hear from 
> the
> legal team.
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Carl Hamilton
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:30 PM
> To: NorthWest Rocketry
> Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP renewal
>
> I just received a friendly piece of email from a local ATF agent asking 
> for
> a time to discuss renewing my LEUP. My permit is good through August 1st,
> 2009, so this seems a little early for renewal, but not terribly early. 
> I'm
> wondering if this communication is in response to Judge Walton's decision 
> or
> whether the timing is just a coincidence. Has anybody else heard from 
> their
> local ATF agent since the judgment was announced?
> I plan to delay my meeting for at least a few days to see what the NAR/TRA
> legal team has to say about the fallout of the judgment, but am still 
> curios
> to hear about others' experiences.
>
> Please don't hijack this thread and start railing on the ATF agents. I'm
> sure they are just doing their job.
>
> - Carl
>
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From winningstad at comcast.net  Wed Mar 18 23:08:54 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:08:54 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
In-Reply-To: <c22.5888b13d.36f3329a@aol.com>
References: <c22.5888b13d.36f3329a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <EA9E720CBB0B40FF9BD123221E676A13@downstair>

RIGHT ARM!!!!!!!  Those of us who are among the cognoscenti, unnerstan...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:31 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES

Horse poo?  Really......
 
Excuse me, but I have attended most of the OROC launches for the past ten  
years and I've never witnessed a HPR launched without the motor being
listed.  
Nor have I seen or heard of any instance of motors being sold to
uncertified 
individuals at any OROC or TRA launch except for the sole purpose of  
certification flights.  
 
And yes, you do have to be over 18 to buy a HPR motor and certified by NAR  
or TRA to the impulse otherwise the dealer will not sell the motor.  From
what 
I've seen, all motors sales are documented with a TRA or NAR member number  
and cert level by the dealer.  Motor vendors have to adhere to the same TRA

and NAR regulations as flyers.  This is all in TRA and NAR handbooks and is

also part of their insurance policy.
 
If you have proof of any backroom deals, lets hear it.
 
Also, it would be easy to trace which pads those cards with missing motor  
info were launched from because even if the motor info is missing, the pad  
assignment won't be.  I would bet that all of the rockets with missing
motor info 
have a pad assignment from the mid or low power pads.
 
>From what I have witnessed over the past ten years is a well run  
organization with no one playing fast and loose with the rules, especially
motor  dealers.
 
How many launches have you attended?  To assume that dealers will  break all

of the rules for money is just asinine.  If this happened, they  would be 
asked to leave the launch, just ask Jerry Irvine, which I'd be  surprised if

you've ever heard of him.
 
And you are wrong, ATF still has jurisdiction over APCP.  The fat lady  has 
not sung yet.
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 3/18/2009 9:25:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
jhadv at pacifier.com writes:

Horse  poo.  Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for  last
years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a  launch
where the cards are incompletely filled out.  As to which pads  they are
off, one can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor  listed
on it does it.  Also I think your assertion that sellers will  only sell to
people who are appropriately certified is incredible on its  face.  Common
experience strongly suggests otherwise.  If a man  is selling something
legal and is interested in sales he normally tends not  to ask too many
questions.  Why should he?  The sale is  legal.  You don't even have to be
over 18 anymore as nobody has  jurisdiction over APCP for the  moment.



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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Thu Mar 19 08:31:25 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:31:25 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
In-Reply-To: <EA9E720CBB0B40FF9BD123221E676A13@downstair>
References: <c22.5888b13d.36f3329a@aol.com>
	<EA9E720CBB0B40FF9BD123221E676A13@downstair>
Message-ID: <1CF431EE860B4FD19A41A8837EAACA0A@Mobile2>

I might add, just a few short years ago when easy access was the norm
vendors were not selling motors to anyone just to make a buck. 

I will admit, I have seen a few flight cards slip by that were less than
complete, but these were the exception and were no nefarious in any way.


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:09 PM
To: Mfreptiles at aol.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES

RIGHT ARM!!!!!!!  Those of us who are among the cognoscenti, unnerstan...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:31 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES

Horse poo?  Really......
 
Excuse me, but I have attended most of the OROC launches for the past ten
years and I've never witnessed a HPR launched without the motor being
listed.  
Nor have I seen or heard of any instance of motors being sold to uncertified
individuals at any OROC or TRA launch except for the sole purpose of
certification flights.  
 
And yes, you do have to be over 18 to buy a HPR motor and certified by NAR
or TRA to the impulse otherwise the dealer will not sell the motor.  From
what I've seen, all motors sales are documented with a TRA or NAR member
number and cert level by the dealer.  Motor vendors have to adhere to the
same TRA

and NAR regulations as flyers.  This is all in TRA and NAR handbooks and is

also part of their insurance policy.
 
If you have proof of any backroom deals, lets hear it.
 
Also, it would be easy to trace which pads those cards with missing motor
info were launched from because even if the motor info is missing, the pad
assignment won't be.  I would bet that all of the rockets with missing motor
info have a pad assignment from the mid or low power pads.
 
>From what I have witnessed over the past ten years is a well run
organization with no one playing fast and loose with the rules, especially
motor  dealers.
 
How many launches have you attended?  To assume that dealers will  break all

of the rules for money is just asinine.  If this happened, they  would be
asked to leave the launch, just ask Jerry Irvine, which I'd be  surprised if

you've ever heard of him.
 
And you are wrong, ATF still has jurisdiction over APCP.  The fat lady  has
not sung yet.
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 3/18/2009 9:25:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jhadv at pacifier.com writes:

Horse  poo.  Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for  last
years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a  launch
where the cards are incompletely filled out.  As to which pads  they are
off, one can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor  listed on
it does it.  Also I think your assertion that sellers will  only sell to
people who are appropriately certified is incredible on its  face.  Common
experience strongly suggests otherwise.  If a man  is selling something
legal and is interested in sales he normally tends not  to ask too many
questions.  Why should he?  The sale is  legal.  You don't even have to be
over 18 anymore as nobody has  jurisdiction over APCP for the  moment.



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From aaronfogg at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 09:19:08 2009
From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:19:08 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
In-Reply-To: <1CF431EE860B4FD19A41A8837EAACA0A@Mobile2>
References: <c22.5888b13d.36f3329a@aol.com>
	<EA9E720CBB0B40FF9BD123221E676A13@downstair>
	<1CF431EE860B4FD19A41A8837EAACA0A@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <e1e3ba0b0903190919g3960260vf9119c9c67f1be82@mail.gmail.com>

Dave sold me a N2000 for a case of beer once, true story.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Scott T Bowers <scott at scottsrockets.com>wrote:

> I might add, just a few short years ago when easy access was the norm
> vendors were not selling motors to anyone just to make a buck.
>
> I will admit, I have seen a few flight cards slip by that were less than
> complete, but these were the exception and were no nefarious in any way.
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:09 PM
> To: Mfreptiles at aol.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
>
> RIGHT ARM!!!!!!!  Those of us who are among the cognoscenti, unnerstan...
>
> Dennis S Winningstad
> 503-781-3529
>
> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:31 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
>
> Horse poo?  Really......
>
> Excuse me, but I have attended most of the OROC launches for the past ten
> years and I've never witnessed a HPR launched without the motor being
> listed.
> Nor have I seen or heard of any instance of motors being sold to
> uncertified
> individuals at any OROC or TRA launch except for the sole purpose of
> certification flights.
>
> And yes, you do have to be over 18 to buy a HPR motor and certified by NAR
> or TRA to the impulse otherwise the dealer will not sell the motor.  From
> what I've seen, all motors sales are documented with a TRA or NAR member
> number and cert level by the dealer.  Motor vendors have to adhere to the
> same TRA
>
> and NAR regulations as flyers.  This is all in TRA and NAR handbooks and is
>
> also part of their insurance policy.
>
> If you have proof of any backroom deals, lets hear it.
>
> Also, it would be easy to trace which pads those cards with missing motor
> info were launched from because even if the motor info is missing, the pad
> assignment won't be.  I would bet that all of the rockets with missing
> motor
> info have a pad assignment from the mid or low power pads.
>
> >From what I have witnessed over the past ten years is a well run
> organization with no one playing fast and loose with the rules, especially
> motor  dealers.
>
> How many launches have you attended?  To assume that dealers will  break
> all
>
> of the rules for money is just asinine.  If this happened, they  would be
> asked to leave the launch, just ask Jerry Irvine, which I'd be  surprised
> if
>
> you've ever heard of him.
>
> And you are wrong, ATF still has jurisdiction over APCP.  The fat lady  has
> not sung yet.
>
> Mike F.
>
>
> In a message dated 3/18/2009 9:25:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> jhadv at pacifier.com writes:
>
> Horse  poo.  Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for  last
> years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a  launch
> where the cards are incompletely filled out.  As to which pads  they are
> off, one can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor  listed
> on
> it does it.  Also I think your assertion that sellers will  only sell to
> people who are appropriately certified is incredible on its  face.  Common
> experience strongly suggests otherwise.  If a man  is selling something
> legal and is interested in sales he normally tends not  to ask too many
> questions.  Why should he?  The sale is  legal.  You don't even have to be
> over 18 anymore as nobody has  jurisdiction over APCP for the  moment.
>
>
>
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Scott T Bowers
< mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com scott at scottsrockets.com
>
wrote:
I might add, just a few short years ago when easy access was the norm
vendors were not selling motors to anyone just to make a buck.
I will admit, I have seen a few flight cards slip by that were less than
complete, but these were the exception and were no nefarious in any way.
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com www.scottsrockets.com
-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
]
On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:09 PM
To: mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com Mfreptiles at aol.com
; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
RIGHT ARM!!!!!!! ?Those of us who are among the cognoscenti, unnerstan...
Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
It is bad luck to be superstitious.
-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
]
On Behalf Of mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com Mfreptiles at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:31 PM
To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
Horse poo? ?Really......
Excuse me, but I have attended most of the OROC launches for the past ten
years and I've never witnessed a HPR launched without the motor being
listed.
Nor have I seen or heard of any instance of motors being sold to uncertified
individuals at any OROC or TRA launch except for the sole purpose of
certification flights.
And yes, you do have to be over 18 to buy a HPR motor and certified by NAR
or TRA to the impulse otherwise the dealer will not sell the motor. ?From
what I've seen, all motors sales are documented with a TRA or NAR member
number and cert level by the dealer. ?Motor vendors have to adhere to the
same TRA
and NAR regulations as flyers. ?This is all in TRA and NAR handbooks and is
also part of their insurance policy.
If you have proof of any backroom deals, lets hear it.
Also, it would be easy to trace which pads those cards with missing motor
info were launched from because even if the motor info is missing, the pad
assignment won't be. ?I would bet that all of the rockets with missing motor
info have a pad assignment from the mid or low power pads.
>From what I have witnessed over the past ten years is a well run
organization with no one playing fast and loose with the rules, especially
motor ?dealers.
How many launches have you attended? ?To assume that dealers will ?break all
of the rules for money is just asinine. ?If this happened, they ?would be
asked to leave the launch, just ask Jerry Irvine, which I'd be ?surprised if
you've ever heard of him.
And you are wrong, ATF still has jurisdiction over APCP. ?The fat lady ?has
not sung yet.
Mike F.
In a message dated 3/18/2009 9:25:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mailto:jhadv at pacifier.com jhadv at pacifier.com
writes:
Horse ?poo. ?Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for ?last
years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a ?launch
where the cards are incompletely filled out. ?As to which pads ?they are
off, one can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor ?listed on
it does it. ?Also I think your assertion that sellers will ?only sell to
people who are appropriately certified is incredible on its ?face. ?Common
experience strongly suggests otherwise. ?If a man ?is selling something
legal and is interested in sales he normally tends not ?to ask too many
questions. ?Why should he? ?The sale is ?legal. ?You don't even have to be
over 18 anymore as nobody has ?jurisdiction over APCP for the ?moment.
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From Mfreptiles at aol.com  Thu Mar 19 09:30:35 2009
From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:30:35 EDT
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
Message-ID: <c61.439d92e6.36f3cd2b@aol.com>

Scott is correct.  Even back then dealers would log membership numbers  and 
make sure you were certified to that impulse.  It is the way it will  revert 
back to after a successful final ruling against ATF.
 
It's called "self policing" which has been the way HPR has been successful  
at staying in the good graces of many organizations such as FAA, NFPA, our  
insurance company, and even ATF until they decided to turn on us.
 
If your whole experience of the HPR hobby has been under the auspice of ATF  
involvement over the past few years, you are assuming that it will be a free 
for  all.  It is not a good idea to try to throw your hosting club and  dealers 
under the bus with your assumptions.  Unless you like wearing  disguises to 
launches.
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 3/19/2009 8:33:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
scott at scottsrockets.com writes:

I might  add, just a few short years ago when easy access was the norm
vendors were  not selling motors to anyone just to make a buck.  


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Scott is correct.? Even back then dealers would log membership numbers and make sure you were certified to that impulse.? It is the way it will revert back to after a successful final ruling against ATF.
?
It's called "self policing" which has been the way HPR has been successful at staying in the good graces of many organizations such as FAA, NFPA, our insurance company, and even ATF until they decided to turn on us.
?
If your whole experience of the HPR hobby has been under the auspice of ATF involvement over the past few years, you are assuming that it will be a free for all.? It is not?a good idea to try to throw your hosting club and dealers under the bus with your assumptions.? Unless you like wearing disguises to launches.
?
Mike F.
?
In a message dated 3/19/2009 8:33:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, scott at scottsrockets.com writes:
I might add, just a few short years ago when easy access was the norm
vendors were not selling motors to anyone just to make a buck.
http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029050x1201385914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B212974460%3B34272906%3Bh Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479

From angela at wrightholdings.com  Thu Mar 19 09:52:07 2009
From: angela at wrightholdings.com (Angela Innes)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:52:07 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
Message-ID: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>

So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :)

So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.  Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?

I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!  LOL!

Cheers everyone!

Red

-------------- next part --------------
So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :)
?
So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.? Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
?
I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!? LOL!
?
Cheers everyone!
Red
?

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Thu Mar 19 09:56:58 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:56:58 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS LEUP free
Message-ID: <1993CD6E9A29410AB6361666D16A649B@Mobile2>

It just occurred to me that FITS may be LEUP free this year. That would be
pretty cool as FITS was almost destroyed years ago by folks who wanted to
make for mandatory paper checks at the launch. Fortunately we found ways for
people without LEUP's to fly and life went on, but it is just cool! HEY
BINDER!, you still out there?
 
Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com <http://www.scottsrockets.com/> 
 
 
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It just occurred to me that FITS may be?LEUP free this year. That would be pretty cool as FITS was almost destroyed years ago by folks who wanted to make for mandatory paper checks at the launch. Fortunately we found ways for people without LEUP's to fly and life went on, but it is just cool! HEY BINDER!, you still out there?
?
Scott T. Bowers
http://www.scottsrockets.com/ www.scottsrockets.com
?
?

From bjarchow at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 09:51:04 2009
From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:51:04 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
Message-ID: <a5b4f5770903190951h473372d7n72b7bba07cc4487b@mail.gmail.com>

I have tried using copperhead igniters twice, both times without success.
And I have found a small field near my home in Bellingham where I would feel
comfortable launching to 800 feet or so with my mid power rockets.

Does anybody have advice on how to get the copperheads to work? And is there
any place in western Washington were I could buy a few extra copperheads to
practice with or have as extras in case of a problem?

Thanks in advance,
Brian
-------------- next part --------------
Does anybody have advice on how to get the copperheads to work? And is there any place in western Washington were I could buy a few extra copperheads to practice with or have as extras in case of a problem?
Thanks in advance,
Brian

From Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com  Thu Mar 19 10:03:45 2009
From: Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com (Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:03:45 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <OFAA0D3A0F.149F6610-ON8825757E.005D1A7A-8825757E.005DBA2B@jci.com>

THANK YOU RED!!!

I think we all need a nice distraction about now.

What am I planning?  I haven't a clue.  My 12 year old, Tessa, however is
going gangbusters on her new project.  Her initial goal was something all
hand-made fiberglass, light enough to fly on a commercial H and strong
enough to break mach and 10,000ft.  She's already made a 75mm FG motor tube
and a 98mm tube for the fincan (I helped, but she did at least 1/2 of the
work).  Hardest part was finding latex gloves that fit her tiny hands...

 -- Peter



                                                                           
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So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
FITS! :)

So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.
Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?

I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get
out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!
LOL!

Cheers everyone!

Red

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From aaronfogg at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 10:09:00 2009
From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:09:00 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <e1e3ba0b0903191009ja9bfed3u2c35a3b1ebd7c03f@mail.gmail.com>

Red

Those are all very very silly things almost seems as if you are attempting
to have some kind of "fun". Rocketry is not about silly things or "fun". Its
about argumentation, pointing blame, and some name calling. Building ,
cert'ing and certainly pirate singing have no place in rocketry.


Thanks
Us, the current state of affairs

(this area reserved for sarcasm)

2009/3/19 Angela Innes <angela at wrightholdings.com>

> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS!
> :)
>
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.
> Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get
> out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!
> LOL!
>
> Cheers everyone!
> Red
>
>
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Those are all very very silly things almost seems as if you are attempting to have some kind of "fun". Rocketry is not about silly things or "fun". Its about argumentation, pointing blame, and some name calling. Building , cert'ing and certainly pirate singing have no place in rocketry.
Thanks
Us, the current state of affairs
(this area reserved for sarcasm)
2009/3/19 Angela Innes
< mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com angela at wrightholdings.com
>
So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :)
?
So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.? Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
?
I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!? LOL!
?
Cheers everyone!
Red
?
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From daron at daronjohnson.com  Thu Mar 19 10:09:17 2009
From: daron at daronjohnson.com (Daron Johnson)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:09:17 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] [personal]  Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <006401c9a8b5$73862d50$5a9287f0$@com>

Well now that I know I can get an N load for a case of beer, I may need to
figure out a project for FITS.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Angela Innes
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [personal] [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :)

So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.
Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?

I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get
out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!
LOL!

Cheers everyone!

Red



From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com  Thu Mar 19 10:09:36 2009
From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:09:36 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121AC9@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com>

I allowed my membership to lapse so I HAVE to fly an H motor, then a J
motor to get my certs back!  Oh the pain!!!

steve 

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
FITS! :)

So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
up.  Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?

I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to
get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate
Karaoke!  LOL!

Cheers everyone!

Red


From greg at blastzone.com  Thu Mar 19 10:11:02 2009
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:11:02 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <0a0b01c9a8b5$aeadc320$0c094960$@com>

How about the april launch?  Just about a month away!  We're going to have
good weather, right?

I need to man an expedition into my garage and dust off the artifacts there
to see what is flyable and what needs a refit...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Angela Innes
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS!
:)
> 
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.
Any
> new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
> 
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get
out
> to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!
LOL!
> 
> Cheers everyone!
> 
> Red



From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Thu Mar 19 10:18:46 2009
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:18:46 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
In-Reply-To: <a5b4f5770903190951h473372d7n72b7bba07cc4487b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5b4f5770903190951h473372d7n72b7bba07cc4487b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49C27E76.9040606@hawkfeather.com>

I've had near 100% success with 3/4" masking tape sideways across one 
side, even with or just off the bottom of the copper, and another 
sideways across the other side 3/8" up from the bottom. Then use flat 
copper micro alligator clips (scuffed/cleaned first) on the exposed 
copper on each side that's backed by masking tape on the other side. 
Larger toothed clips also work making sure one tooth is right on the 
copper. Even better is the Aerotech copperhead clip:
http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=16

Also, for the smaller hard to light D/E/F smokey's & blue motors, it 
helps to use pyrogen compound to fill in the waves in the igniter head.

Andrew.

Brian Jarchow wrote:
> Does anybody have advice on how to get the copperheads to work? And is there any place in western Washington were I could buy a few extra copperheads to practice with or have as extras in case of a problem?
> Thanks in advance,
> Brian
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From carl at mousetrap.com  Thu Mar 19 10:24:10 2009
From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:24:10 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
In-Reply-To: <a5b4f5770903190951h473372d7n72b7bba07cc4487b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5b4f5770903190951h473372d7n72b7bba07cc4487b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e068dfbd0903191024m1b3855d7l27958c786f2f4226@mail.gmail.com>

I honestly have had very few problems with copperheads. I have used the tape
method to insulate one side per clip, split the copper film from the
insulating separator, and used the special copperhead clip made by Aerotech,
all with good success. Brian, what problems are you having?
I *think* I have seen copperheads at Galaxy Hobby in Lynnwood (that's where
I got my copperhead clip), but that was a number of years ago.

 - Carl

2009/3/19 Brian Jarchow <bjarchow at gmail.com>

> Does anybody have advice on how to get the copperheads to work? And is
> there any place in western Washington were I could buy a few extra
> copperheads to practice with or have as extras in case of a problem?
> Thanks in advance,
> Brian
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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I *think* I have seen copperheads at Galaxy Hobby in Lynnwood (that's where I got my copperhead clip), but that was a number of years ago.
?- Carl
2009/3/19 Brian Jarchow
< mailto:bjarchow at gmail.com bjarchow at gmail.com
>
Does anybody have advice on how to get the copperheads to work? And is there any place in western Washington were I could buy a few extra copperheads to practice with or have as extras in case of a problem?
Thanks in advance,
Brian
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From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Thu Mar 19 10:26:55 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:26:55 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <0a0b01c9a8b5$aeadc320$0c094960$@com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<0a0b01c9a8b5$aeadc320$0c094960$@com>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D95C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

 
I'm coming to my first Mansfield Launch in April with my L2 project and
a bunch of students in tow.  At least two of them plan on doing L1 certs
out there--if they can get their projects finished during the three
weeks between the TARC deadline and the launch.

Looking forward to meeting all the "interesting" characters I keep
hearing so much about...and unleashing teenagers upon them.  Not
entirely sure who will shock whom more?

Peter Schurke
Teacher and Lead Advisor
Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
Ingraham High School
Seattle, WA


-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Deputy
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:11 AM
To: 'Angela Innes'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

How about the april launch?  Just about a month away!  We're going to
have good weather, right?

I need to man an expedition into my garage and dust off the artifacts
there to see what is flyable and what needs a refit...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Angela Innes
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
FITS!
:)
> 
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
up.
Any
> new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
> 
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to

> get
out
> to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!
LOL!
> 
> Cheers everyone!
> 
> Red


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From carl20320 at msn.com  Thu Mar 19 10:27:43 2009
From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:27:43 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
In-Reply-To: <49C27E76.9040606@hawkfeather.com>
References: <a5b4f5770903190951h473372d7n72b7bba07cc4487b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49C27E76.9040606@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <COL120-W17C894489C9CEF767FBBD5EA960@phx.gbl>


I personally like to take a lighter, heat the bottom inch of adhesive holding the 2 strips of copper together, then procede with using normal clips attached to the two, now separate pieces.  This has been the msot reliable methdo for me.  I have an Aerotech clip that is a replacement for my first one that I launched a rocket at FITS several years ago.  Went to go recover the rocket and forgot all about the clip.  Went back later and it was gone.  I didn't especially like it anyway so I thought it was no big loss.
 
> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:18:46 -0700
> From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
> 
> I've had near 100% success with 3/4" masking tape sideways across one 
> side, even with or just off the bottom of the copper, and another 
> sideways across the other side 3/8" up from the bottom. Then use flat 
> copper micro alligator clips (scuffed/cleaned first) on the exposed 
> copper on each side that's backed by masking tape on the other side. 
> Larger toothed clips also work making sure one tooth is right on the 
> copper. Even better is the Aerotech copperhead clip:
> http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=16
> 
> Also, for the smaller hard to light D/E/F smokey's & blue motors, it 
> helps to use pyrogen compound to fill in the waves in the igniter head.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> Brian Jarchow wrote:
> > Does anybody have advice on how to get the copperheads to work? And is there any place in western Washington were I could buy a few extra copperheads to practice with or have as extras in case of a problem?
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Brian
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rockets mailing list
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> > 
> _______________________________________________
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I personally like to take a lighter, heat the bottom inch of adhesive holding the 2 strips of copper together, then procede with using normal clips attached to the two, now separate pieces.? This has been the msot reliable methdo for me.? I have an Aerotech clip that is a replacement for my first one that I launched a rocket at FITS several years ago.? Went to go recover the rocket and forgot all about the clip.? Went back later and it was gone.? I didn't especially like it anyway so I thought it was no big loss.
?
> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:18:46 -0700
> From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
>
> I've had near 100% success with 3/4" masking tape sideways across one
> side, even with or just off the bottom of the copper, and another
> sideways across the other side 3/8" up from the bottom. Then use flat
> copper micro alligator clips (scuffed/cleaned first) on the exposed
> copper on each side that's backed by masking tape on the other side.
> Larger toothed clips also work making sure one tooth is right on the
> copper. Even better is the Aerotech copperhead clip:
> http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=16
>
> Also, for the smaller hard to light D/E/F smokey's & blue motors, it
> helps to use pyrogen compound to fill in the waves in the igniter head.
>
> Andrew.
>
> Brian Jarchow wrote:
> > Does anybody have advice on how to get the copperheads to work? And is there any place in western Washington were I could buy a few extra copperheads to practice with or have as extras in case of a problem?
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rockets mailing list
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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From dmrandall at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 10:40:13 2009
From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:40:13 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D95C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<0a0b01c9a8b5$aeadc320$0c094960$@com>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D95C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
Message-ID: <6bc920e40903191040h648fe626i59d0667e823dd571@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working on a group project - U4EA's the rocket, and it'll be big.
Flying either a cluster or a big central motor depending on the day.
Did I mention it'll be big?

Personally, I'll have my 2 stage Excel Plus Plus that'll go on either
a K/L/M staging to a K185.  My Competitor 3 will make a flight or two,
and a new Performance Rocketry Little Dog Dual deploy will fly on I/J
motor.


Dave

From clappfamily at comcast.net  Thu Mar 19 10:40:53 2009
From: clappfamily at comcast.net (clappfamily at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:40:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <185591056.4207661237484453231.JavaMail.root@sz0014a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



I'm hoping to have my Cherokee all repainted and fly it on an N2000 or High Thrust M. 



Rick 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angela Innes" <angela at wrightholdings.com> 
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52:07 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... 

So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :) So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying? I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke! LOL! Cheers everyone! Red 
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I'm hoping to have my Cherokee all repainted and fly it on an N2000 or High Thrust M.
?
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Angela Innes" <angela at wrightholdings.com>
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52:07 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :) So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying? I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke! LOL! Cheers everyone! Red
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From brodwcjj at integrity.com  Thu Mar 19 10:40:49 2009
From: brodwcjj at integrity.com (brodwcjj at integrity.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:40:49 -0500
Subject: [RocketsNW] HorsePoo?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.398.1237438075.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
References: <mailman.398.1237438075.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <20090319124049.72611h2bvac5ju00@wm.integrity.com>

Regarding sales:  You mention common sense logic and infer,  but are  
you citing a specific example(s) ?
            (or are you a  B..gov  troll? ... just ribben ya..)
In the pre-LEUP days I was always asked for my cert card  before I  
could buy reloads for that level.  Whether it has a brick and mortar  
hobby store or an onsite vendor.
Of course once they knew me by name/face/and cert card they didn't  
have to recheck.
My experience is limited to a few vendors on this and perhaps YMMV.

Dustin


From: jhadv at pacifier.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com


"Rockets are not launched without the motor listed on the flight card,
never seen it happen except for model rocket rack."

Horse poo.  Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for last
years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a launch
where the cards are incompletely filled out.  As to which pads they are
off, one can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor listed
on it does it.  Also I think your assertion that sellers will only sell to
people who are appropriately certified is incredible on its face.  Common
experience strongly suggests otherwise.  If a man is selling something
legal and is interested in sales he normally tends not to ask too many
questions.  Why should he?  The sale is legal.  You don't even have to be
over 18 anymore as nobody has jurisdiction over APCP for the moment.

From bjarchow at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 10:43:57 2009
From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:43:57 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] [personal] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <006401c9a8b5$73862d50$5a9287f0$@com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<006401c9a8b5$73862d50$5a9287f0$@com>
Message-ID: <a5b4f5770903191043t59392775ndaffb3c87b175fe7@mail.gmail.com>

You can get a big expensive N load for a case of beer? In that case I'm
going to get you two or three cases of beer and get started on an L3
project!

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Daron Johnson <daron at daronjohnson.com>wrote:

> Well now that I know I can get an N load for a case of beer, I may need to
> figure out a project for FITS.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Daron Johnson
< mailto:daron at daronjohnson.com daron at daronjohnson.com
>
wrote:
Well now that I know I can get an N load for a case of beer, I may need to
figure out a project for FITS.

From greg at blastzone.com  Thu Mar 19 10:45:10 2009
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:45:10 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40903191040h648fe626i59d0667e823dd571@mail.gmail.com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>	<0a0b01c9a8b5$aeadc320$0c094960$@com>	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D95C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<6bc920e40903191040h648fe626i59d0667e823dd571@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0a5001c9a8ba$73671a50$5a354ef0$@com>

Define big.  Big diameter, big height, big impulse?  Keep in mind that some
folks think 38mm is big, while others think 98mm is small.  Perspective is
so varied...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Dave Randall
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:40 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> I'm working on a group project - U4EA's the rocket, and it'll be big.
> Flying either a cluster or a big central motor depending on the day.
> Did I mention it'll be big?
> 
> Personally, I'll have my 2 stage Excel Plus Plus that'll go on either
> a K/L/M staging to a K185.  My Competitor 3 will make a flight or two,
> and a new Performance Rocketry Little Dog Dual deploy will fly on I/J
> motor.
> 
> 
> Dave
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From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Thu Mar 19 10:48:12 2009
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:48:12 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <49C2855C.5030505@hawkfeather.com>

1) retry my TRA L3 cert - Ratt M900 hybrid
http://www.macmillen.com/rocketry/l3/

2) Thor - EX Ratt K700 tribrid

3) EX 38 Special hybrid???
http://rockethigh.com/shopping/media/38special_lg.jpg

4) I or J SRS hybrid in 3" 3FNC

5) Public Enemy Ultra Fat Boy - CTI I212SS

6) misc E/F MPR fun-ness, night flyer

Andrew.

Angela Innes wrote:
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :)
>  
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.  Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>  
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!  LOL!
>  
> Cheers everyone!
> Red
>  
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net  Thu Mar 19 10:53:59 2009
From: Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net (Michael Dennis)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:53:59 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40903191040h648fe626i59d0667e823dd571@mail.gmail.com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>	<0a0b01c9a8b5$aeadc320$0c094960$@com>	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D95C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<6bc920e40903191040h648fe626i59d0667e823dd571@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007901c9a8bb$af77bb20$0e673160$@Dennis42@comcast.net>

I'll elaborate on the group project some :-)  Dave, myself, Scott Berfield
and Mike Wyvel are collaborating on U4EA (pronounced Euphoria).  And as Dave
said it will be big:  12 inches in diameter, 22 feet tall, and a total fin
span of just 24.5" (that way we can transport the fin can inside of a
vehicle.  Looks like it will weigh in dry at about 115-120lbs.  Brad Wright
is planning on making us a 98mm "N" that we can use on Research day.
Assuming that is successful we plan another cluster flight on Saturday or
Sunday with probably one CTI-M795 and (4) CTI-J280SS.

I'm planning on a "unique" blast deflector that should make a nice show with
the "SS" motors.

For me personally, I'll be lucky to get anything else done, but it's
possible I'll have my "extended-Wocket" finished.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Randall
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:40 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

I'm working on a group project - U4EA's the rocket, and it'll be big.
Flying either a cluster or a big central motor depending on the day.
Did I mention it'll be big?

Personally, I'll have my 2 stage Excel Plus Plus that'll go on either
a K/L/M staging to a K185.  My Competitor 3 will make a flight or two,
and a new Performance Rocketry Little Dog Dual deploy will fly on I/J
motor.


Dave
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From kharms at olypen.com  Thu Mar 19 11:15:07 2009
From: kharms at olypen.com (Kimberly Harms)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:15:07 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...
Message-ID: <009801c9a8be$a3053590$e90fa0b0$@com>

Not exactly rockets, but something close.  Pay particular attention to where
some of the people live.  Very local....

http://tinyurl.com/cjnam4

Kimberly



From bjarchow at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 11:16:49 2009
From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:16:49 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
In-Reply-To: <e068dfbd0903191024m1b3855d7l27958c786f2f4226@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5b4f5770903190951h473372d7n72b7bba07cc4487b@mail.gmail.com>
	<e068dfbd0903191024m1b3855d7l27958c786f2f4226@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5b4f5770903191116t2fe3efabv8b480b221eb69431@mail.gmail.com>

The problem I have had is nothing happening. I have not tried launching with
the Aerotech controller yet, but when I tried twice in Orting I would use
tape to isolate the clips to each side of the igniter, successfully test
connectivity, then watch as nothing happens when the LCO pushes the button.
At the time I was able to buy some First Fire Jrs from Ursula, but I didn't
know of another source for those igniters in the area. I'll visit Galaxy the
next time I take a weekend trip to Seattle.

On an entirely unrealted subject, does anybody know whatever happened to
Ursula?

Brian

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Carl Hamilton <carl at mousetrap.com> wrote:

> I honestly have had very few problems with copperheads. I have used the
> tape method to insulate one side per clip, split the copper film from the
> insulating separator, and used the special copperhead clip made by Aerotech,
> all with good success. Brian, what problems are you having?
> I *think* I have seen copperheads at Galaxy Hobby in Lynnwood (that's where
> I got my copperhead clip), but that was a number of years ago.
>
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On an entirely unrealted subject, does anybody know whatever happened to Ursula?
Brian
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Carl Hamilton
< mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com
>
wrote:
I honestly have had very few problems with copperheads. I have used the tape method to insulate one side per clip, split the copper film from the insulating separator, and used the special copperhead clip made by Aerotech, all with good success. Brian, what problems are you having?
I *think* I have seen copperheads at Galaxy Hobby in Lynnwood (that's where I got my copperhead clip), but that was a number of years ago.

From deyv at europa.com  Thu Mar 19 11:41:06 2009
From: deyv at europa.com (Dave Connet)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:41:06 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
In-Reply-To: <a5b4f5770903191116t2fe3efabv8b480b221eb69431@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5b4f5770903190951h473372d7n72b7bba07cc4487b@mail.gmail.com>	<e068dfbd0903191024m1b3855d7l27958c786f2f4226@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5b4f5770903191116t2fe3efabv8b480b221eb69431@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49C291C2.4000402@europa.com>

I've been wondering about Ursula for a while now.  Any news?

Brian Jarchow wrote:
> On an entirely unrealted subject, does anybody know whatever happened to Ursula?
> Brian
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Carl Hamilton
> < mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com
>
>
>


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I've been wondering about Ursula for a while now.? Any news?
Brian Jarchow wrote:
On an entirely unrealted subject, does anybody know whatever happened to Ursula? Brian On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Carl Hamilton < mailto:carl at mousetrap.com mailto:carl at mousetrap.com
mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com

From bjarchow at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 11:53:17 2009
From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:53:17 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <445479716005006046@unknownmsgid>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<0a0b01c9a8b5$aeadc320$0c094960$@com>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D95C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<6bc920e40903191040h648fe626i59d0667e823dd571@mail.gmail.com>
	<445479716005006046@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <a5b4f5770903191153i79e3fd2amcfe16e2727c81531@mail.gmail.com>

I have never fiberglassed anything, so I have two projects for when I can
spare the time.
First is a three inch body tube I plan to fiberglass then put a 29mm motor
mount into. I am hoping for something light enough to fly on F motors, but
that will give a good showing on an I-200W.

Once I have built this rocket and successfully flown it, I plan to make a
new bottom for my 4" BSD Horizon. I bought an electronics bay and have had
successful dual deployment flights, but I want to build a fiberglassed
booster section with a 54mm motor mount - something long enough for the
Hypertek 835cc 54mm system so I can do the bigger J and small K combinations
with the J fuel grain.

Knowing me, I'll probably get the 3" fiberglassed rocket ready this spring,
fly it through the summer, and work on the 4" booster this winter.

Brian
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First is a three inch body tube I plan to fiberglass then put a 29mm motor mount into. I am hoping for something light enough to fly on F motors, but that will give a good showing on an I-200W.
Once I have built this rocket and successfully flown it, I plan to make a new bottom for my 4" BSD Horizon. I bought an electronics bay and have had successful dual deployment flights, but I want to build a fiberglassed booster section with a 54mm motor mount - something long enough for the Hypertek 835cc 54mm system so I can do the bigger J and small K combinations with the J fuel grain.
Knowing me, I'll probably get the 3" fiberglassed rocket ready this spring, fly it through the summer, and work on the 4" booster this winter.
Brian

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Thu Mar 19 11:54:46 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:54:46 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...
In-Reply-To: <009801c9a8be$a3053590$e90fa0b0$@com>
References: <009801c9a8be$a3053590$e90fa0b0$@com>
Message-ID: <7F3590D5D9344CF99B51F62FD6FD04FF@Mobile2>

So Kimberly, have you ordered your yet? Maybe go for the whole bridge? 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Kimberly Harms
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:15 AM
To: NWR
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...

Not exactly rockets, but something close.  Pay particular attention to where
some of the people live.  Very local....

http://tinyurl.com/cjnam4

Kimberly


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From kharms at olypen.com  Thu Mar 19 12:01:23 2009
From: kharms at olypen.com (Kimberly Harms)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:01:23 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...
In-Reply-To: <7F3590D5D9344CF99B51F62FD6FD04FF@Mobile2>
References: <009801c9a8be$a3053590$e90fa0b0$@com>
	<7F3590D5D9344CF99B51F62FD6FD04FF@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <00c601c9a8c5$1a5c4c90$4f14e5b0$@com>

The tendency would be to call them "nuts".  But everyone outside a tribe
looks like a nut.  Regardless of the tribe.....

Kimberly

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:55 AM
To: 'Kimberly Harms'; 'NWR'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...

So Kimberly, have you ordered your yet? Maybe go for the whole bridge? 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Kimberly Harms
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:15 AM
To: NWR
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...

Not exactly rockets, but something close.  Pay particular attention to where
some of the people live.  Very local....

http://tinyurl.com/cjnam4

Kimberly


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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Thu Mar 19 12:06:17 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:06:17 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...
In-Reply-To: <00c601c9a8c5$1a5c4c90$4f14e5b0$@com>
References: <009801c9a8be$a3053590$e90fa0b0$@com><7F3590D5D9344CF99B51F62FD6FD04FF@Mobile2>
	<00c601c9a8c5$1a5c4c90$4f14e5b0$@com>
Message-ID: <7D6E33F1C67A47B09D37FBE9E43B5B37@Mobile2>

LOL, I wasn't teasing, I would come over and play...(-; 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Kimberly Harms
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:01 PM
To: NWR
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...

The tendency would be to call them "nuts".  But everyone outside a tribe
looks like a nut.  Regardless of the tribe.....

Kimberly

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:55 AM
To: 'Kimberly Harms'; 'NWR'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...

So Kimberly, have you ordered your yet? Maybe go for the whole bridge? 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Kimberly Harms
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:15 AM
To: NWR
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...

Not exactly rockets, but something close.  Pay particular attention to where
some of the people live.  Very local....

http://tinyurl.com/cjnam4

Kimberly


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From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Thu Mar 19 12:19:16 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:19:16 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?
In-Reply-To: <5DA876E0-A3BB-48FF-9BA4-B84B11BDED43@mooreread.com>
References: <DDCA19640A5C4ABE8095A4F751806312@Mobile2><F59AD786-8ADE-426F-861B-3AF933D51F89@mooreread.com><F9AE8D47-E736-4BC6-AF2B-37378D980D4C@mooreread.com>
	<A10552558CA347F8894616B6468B2E6F@Mobile2>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A23@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<5DA876E0-A3BB-48FF-9BA4-B84B11BDED43@mooreread.com>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D95F@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

Obviously you are right.  I've forwarded it to you in the state of
delusion.  ;-P 

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Moore-Read [mailto:terry at mooreread.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:39 PM
To: Schurke, Peter
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor
casing?

It's toast, send it to me and I'll throw it away for you.


On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Schurke, Peter wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I "inherited" some used rocketry stuff this last weekend, mostly estes

> stuff.  What surprised me was when I opened one of the boxes,
> I discovered a 38mm motor casing with a spent load still inside it.   
> It was REALLY old.  I mean...I'm not sure radioisotope dating would 
> even tell us how old this crust was.  :-)
>
> Took me 10 minutes to remove the spent propellant grains and liner 
> from the casing and there's still all sorts of crud adhered to the 
> walls.  The closures are so filthy I haven't even had the heart to 
> start tackling them yet.  I'm now on a mission...I WILL see this 
> casing returned to pristine condition dod gammit!
>
> My question is twofold:    a)  what's best practice for removing  
> ancient APCP residue from the inside of a motor casing tube without 
> scarring up the casing?  and  b)  what's best practice for removing 
> carbonization from the closures--especially the forward closure?
>
> Your input and sage advice is welcomed.  Let the outpouring of wisdom 
> commence!
>
> Pete
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From winningstad at comcast.net  Thu Mar 19 12:35:52 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:35:52 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D95F@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <DDCA19640A5C4ABE8095A4F751806312@Mobile2><F59AD786-8ADE-426F-861B-3AF933D51F89@mooreread.com><F9AE8D47-E736-4BC6-AF2B-37378D980D4C@mooreread.com><A10552558CA347F8894616B6468B2E6F@Mobile2><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A23@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><5DA876E0-A3BB-48FF-9BA4-B84B11BDED43@mooreread.com>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D95F@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
Message-ID: <F356F679E2734B8BBD6F850A01F78305@downstair>

Soak over night in vinegar...get a stiff brush and solvent for the
closures...tube may need solvent...I once recovered a 38-480 after 3 years
in the desert.  A Binder Design Stealth spit it out, cause: 'Operator
Trouble'  It cleaned up just fine and flew again...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:19 PM
To: Terry Moore-Read
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?

Obviously you are right.  I've forwarded it to you in the state of
delusion.  ;-P 

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Moore-Read [mailto:terry at mooreread.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:39 PM
To: Schurke, Peter
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor
casing?

It's toast, send it to me and I'll throw it away for you.


On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Schurke, Peter wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I "inherited" some used rocketry stuff this last weekend, mostly estes

> stuff.  What surprised me was when I opened one of the boxes,
> I discovered a 38mm motor casing with a spent load still inside it.   
> It was REALLY old.  I mean...I'm not sure radioisotope dating would 
> even tell us how old this crust was.  :-)
>
> Took me 10 minutes to remove the spent propellant grains and liner 
> from the casing and there's still all sorts of crud adhered to the 
> walls.  The closures are so filthy I haven't even had the heart to 
> start tackling them yet.  I'm now on a mission...I WILL see this 
> casing returned to pristine condition dod gammit!
>
> My question is twofold:    a)  what's best practice for removing  
> ancient APCP residue from the inside of a motor casing tube without 
> scarring up the casing?  and  b)  what's best practice for removing 
> carbonization from the closures--especially the forward closure?
>
> Your input and sage advice is welcomed.  Let the outpouring of wisdom 
> commence!
>
> Pete
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>


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From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Thu Mar 19 12:39:13 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:39:13 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor casing?
In-Reply-To: <F356F679E2734B8BBD6F850A01F78305@downstair>
References: <DDCA19640A5C4ABE8095A4F751806312@Mobile2><F59AD786-8ADE-426F-861B-3AF933D51F89@mooreread.com><F9AE8D47-E736-4BC6-AF2B-37378D980D4C@mooreread.com><A10552558CA347F8894616B6468B2E6F@Mobile2><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A23@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><5DA876E0-A3BB-48FF-9BA4-B84B11BDED43@mooreread.com>
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Thanks all for the advice, everyone!  

I got the thing cleaned out after just one overnight soak in vinegar and
judicious application of elbow grease. 

I may have to buy a new bottle brush...I don't think the wife will want
to clean out any of the baby's bottles with this one anymore...

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Winningstad [mailto:winningstad at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:36 PM
To: Schurke, Peter; 'Terry Moore-Read'
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor
casing?

Soak over night in vinegar...get a stiff brush and solvent for the
closures...tube may need solvent...I once recovered a 38-480 after 3
years in the desert.  A Binder Design Stealth spit it out, cause:
'Operator Trouble'  It cleaned up just fine and flew again...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:19 PM
To: Terry Moore-Read
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor
casing?

Obviously you are right.  I've forwarded it to you in the state of
delusion.  ;-P 

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Moore-Read [mailto:terry at mooreread.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:39 PM
To: Schurke, Peter
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] What's the best way to clean out a motor
casing?

It's toast, send it to me and I'll throw it away for you.


On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Schurke, Peter wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I "inherited" some used rocketry stuff this last weekend, mostly estes

> stuff.  What surprised me was when I opened one of the boxes,
> I discovered a 38mm motor casing with a spent load still inside it.   
> It was REALLY old.  I mean...I'm not sure radioisotope dating would 
> even tell us how old this crust was.  :-)
>
> Took me 10 minutes to remove the spent propellant grains and liner 
> from the casing and there's still all sorts of crud adhered to the 
> walls.  The closures are so filthy I haven't even had the heart to 
> start tackling them yet.  I'm now on a mission...I WILL see this 
> casing returned to pristine condition dod gammit!
>
> My question is twofold:    a)  what's best practice for removing  
> ancient APCP residue from the inside of a motor casing tube without 
> scarring up the casing?  and  b)  what's best practice for removing 
> carbonization from the closures--especially the forward closure?
>
> Your input and sage advice is welcomed.  Let the outpouring of wisdom 
> commence!
>
> Pete
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>


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From keithp at keithp.com  Thu Mar 19 12:52:51 2009
From: keithp at keithp.com (Keith Packard)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:52:51 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
In-Reply-To: <a5b4f5770903191116t2fe3efabv8b480b221eb69431@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5b4f5770903190951h473372d7n72b7bba07cc4487b@mail.gmail.com>
	<e068dfbd0903191024m1b3855d7l27958c786f2f4226@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5b4f5770903191116t2fe3efabv8b480b221eb69431@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1237492371.9672.11.camel@aiko.keithp.com>

On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 11:16 -0700, Brian Jarchow wrote:
> The problem I have had is nothing happening.

What kind of battery setup was this with? I had all kinds of trouble
until I got a 12V lead-acid battery, even with that, I have to hold down
the launch button for several seconds to get it started.

-- 
keith.packard at intel.com
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From robert.krausert at intel.com  Thu Mar 19 12:54:38 2009
From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:54:38 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...
In-Reply-To: <7D6E33F1C67A47B09D37FBE9E43B5B37@Mobile2>
References: <009801c9a8be$a3053590$e90fa0b0$@com><7F3590D5D9344CF99B51F62FD6FD04FF@Mobile2>
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	<7D6E33F1C67A47B09D37FBE9E43B5B37@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E2A5FECB1@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com>

I'm guessing the intercom works and is linked into the kitchen.

Cheers,
Robert 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:06 PM
To: 'Kimberly Harms'; 'NWR'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...

LOL, I wasn't teasing, I would come over and play...(-; 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Kimberly Harms
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:01 PM
To: NWR
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...

The tendency would be to call them "nuts".  But everyone outside a tribe
looks like a nut.  Regardless of the tribe.....

Kimberly

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:55 AM
To: 'Kimberly Harms'; 'NWR'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...

So Kimberly, have you ordered your yet? Maybe go for the whole bridge? 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Kimberly Harms
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:15 AM
To: NWR
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...

Not exactly rockets, but something close.  Pay particular attention to where
some of the people live.  Very local....

http://tinyurl.com/cjnam4

Kimberly


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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 19 13:15:00 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:15:00 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <e1e3ba0b0903191009ja9bfed3u2c35a3b1ebd7c03f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<e1e3ba0b0903191009ja9bfed3u2c35a3b1ebd7c03f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49C2A7C4.8090208@earthlink.net>

[OT] Talk Like A Pirate Day  19SEP09   ;)
http://www.talklikeapirate.com/



Aaron Fogg wrote:
> Those are all very very silly things almost seems as if you are attempting to have some kind of "fun". Rocketry is not about silly things or "fun". Its about argumentation, pointing blame, and some name calling. Building , cert'ing and certainly pirate singing have no place in rocketry.
> Thanks
> Us, the current state of affairs
> (this area reserved for sarcasm)
> 2009/3/19 Angela Innes
> < mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com angela at wrightholdings.com
>   
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :)
>  
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.  Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>  
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!  LOL!
>  
> Cheers everyone!
> Red
>  
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From blakbird11 at comcast.net  Thu Mar 19 13:28:36 2009
From: blakbird11 at comcast.net (Eric Albrecht (blakbird11%40comcast.net))
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:28:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
In-Reply-To: <a5b4f5770903190951h473372d7n72b7bba07cc4487b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <198898252.2704951237494516126.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I've had very little difficulty with Copperheads except when trying to light OLD blackjack loads. The trick is that both "wires" are on the same strip so you need to be able to get + on one side and - on the other. You can use a little piece of masking tape on each side and standard clips which works OK. Do NOT use alligator clips with teeth. They will often puncture the foil and short the ignitor. I find the best way is to use the little yellow clip that Aerotech makes. Just clip it over the ignitor lead and then use your regular launcher wires to attach to it. 

Also, make sure you have a full 12 Volts. Any less and they work poorly. 

Eric Albrecht 


----- "Brian Jarchow" <bjarchow at gmail.com> wrote: 
> I have tried using copperhead igniters twice, both times without success. And I have found a small field near my home in Bellingham where I would feel comfortable launching to 800 feet or so with my mid power rockets. Does anybody have advice on how to get the copperheads to work? And is there any place in western Washington were I could buy a few extra copperheads to practice with or have as extras in case of a problem? Thanks in advance, Brian 
> _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 
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I've had very little difficulty with Copperheads except when trying to light OLD blackjack loads.? The trick is that both "wires" are on the same strip so you need to be able to get + on one side and - on the other.? You can use a little piece of masking tape on each side and standard clips which works OK.? Do NOT use alligator clips with teeth.? They will often puncture the foil and short the ignitor.? I find the best way is to use the little yellow clip that Aerotech makes.? Just clip it over the ignitor lead and then use your regular launcher wires to attach to it.
Also, make sure you have a full 12 Volts.? Any less and they work poorly.
Eric Albrecht
----- "Brian Jarchow" <bjarchow at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have tried using copperhead igniters twice, both times without success. And I have found a small field near my home in Bellingham where I would feel comfortable launching to 800 feet or so with my mid power rockets. Does anybody have advice on how to get the copperheads to work? And is there any place in western Washington were I could buy a few extra copperheads to practice with or have as extras in case of a problem? Thanks in advance, Brian
> _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets

From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com  Thu Mar 19 13:34:30 2009
From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:34:30 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
In-Reply-To: <198898252.2704951237494516126.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <a5b4f5770903190951h473372d7n72b7bba07cc4487b@mail.gmail.com>
	<198898252.2704951237494516126.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121ACE@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com>

Well, up at Monroe, back in '98, my son Eric lit an early days blackjack
E12 on a rainy day in October near dusk in waist deep wet grass using a
ratty 'ole copper head he found in a muddy foot print over by Dave's
'ole cop car.


Ah, memories! I love copper head discussions. Brings back fond memories.


steve

From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 19 13:45:10 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:45:10 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...
In-Reply-To: <00c601c9a8c5$1a5c4c90$4f14e5b0$@com>
References: <009801c9a8be$a3053590$e90fa0b0$@com>	<7F3590D5D9344CF99B51F62FD6FD04FF@Mobile2>
	<00c601c9a8c5$1a5c4c90$4f14e5b0$@com>
Message-ID: <49C2AED6.50104@earthlink.net>

Kim,
   You don't need just the seat, but you need to remodel the whole 
interior of your residence into a Star Trek ship similar to what this 
English guy did with his apartment.  He later sold it for fives times 
the estimated market value on Ebay.  You could be the first in the USA 
to do so and be the first in the PacNW.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/trekkie-recreates-awesome-set-of-star-trek-voyager-in-a-studio-apartment-241957.php

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/05/17/uk-guy-who-remodeled.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5359397

Video tour:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6d2_1207690975

BBC News story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U67CJqLUjA0

Robert

Kimberly Harms wrote:
> The tendency would be to call them "nuts".  But everyone outside a tribe
> looks like a nut.  Regardless of the tribe.....
>
> Kimberly
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:55 AM
> To: 'Kimberly Harms'; 'NWR'
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...
>
> So Kimberly, have you ordered your yet? Maybe go for the whole bridge? 
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Kimberly Harms
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:15 AM
> To: NWR
> Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...
>
> Not exactly rockets, but something close.  Pay particular attention to where
> some of the people live.  Very local....
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cjnam4
>
> Kimberly
>
>
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>   
>
>
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>
>   


From sb at berfield.com  Thu Mar 19 13:52:42 2009
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:52:42 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
Message-ID: <W9577229861323701237495962@webmail5>

What am I bringing: Single Malt, Beer... oh rockets.

Rockets:
Part of the U4eA team
Also bringing --
new 4" Competitor to fly on somethign or other as yet undecided (need to stay in the waiver)
The Fire In the Sky rocket from last year -- this time on something larger.
A Polecat Fatman 5.5" on whatever Ihappen to still have in storage
MAYBE - the rebuilt (XPRS shovel recoverY) 2 stage "Bipolar Disorder" on whatever keeps it in the waiver. Maybe J350-I350SS.



-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 09:52 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :)So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke! LOL!Cheers everyone!Red
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What am I bringing: Single Malt, Beer... oh rockets.
Rockets:
Part of the U4eA team
Also bringing --
new 4" Competitor to fly on somethign or other as yet undecided (need to stay in the waiver)
The Fire In the Sky rocket from last year -- this time on something larger.
A Polecat Fatman 5.5" on whatever Ihappen to still have in storage
MAYBE - the rebuilt (XPRS shovel recoverY) 2 stage "Bipolar Disorder" on whatever keeps it in the waiver. Maybe J350-I350SS.
?
-----Original Message-----
From:
Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
Sent:
Thursday, March 19, 2009 09:52 AM
To:
rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject:
[RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :) So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying? I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke! LOL! Cheers everyone! Red

From Eric.Gunnerson at microsoft.com  Thu Mar 19 13:53:33 2009
From: Eric.Gunnerson at microsoft.com (Eric Gunnerson)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:53:33 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] N-prize
Message-ID: <DF64507FDBE127438979AB4243D58A54189F4AE672@NA-EXMSG-C110.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

The N-Prize is a challenge to launch an impossibly small satellite into orbit on a ludicrously small budget, for a pitifully small cash prize.

http://www.n-prize.com/index.html


Eric
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The N-Prize is a challenge to launch an impossibly small satellite into orbit on a ludicrously small budget, for a pitifully small cash prize.
?
http://www.n-prize.com/index.html
?
?
Eric

From dennys at carnitech.net  Thu Mar 19 14:25:44 2009
From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051083A8C4@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>

Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.

-Denny

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
FITS! :)

So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
up.  Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?

I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to
get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate
Karaoke!  LOL!

Cheers everyone!

Red


From sb at berfield.com  Thu Mar 19 14:30:39 2009
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:30:39 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] 75mm
Message-ID: <W981211028621491237498239@webmail49>

Hi all --

If any of you EX-ers ar elooking for something to test out motors in, I have a 75mm 4" competitor ready to roll for FITs. I'll likely be borrwing some hardware for soem sort of commercial load, but if any of you have 75 or 54 motors you want to try out, I'll be glad to offer the rocket as a test platform.

Scott


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Hi all --
If any of you EX-ers ar elooking for something to test out motors in, I have a 75mm 4" competitor ready to roll for FITs. I'll likely be borrwing some hardware for soem sort of commercial load, but if any of you have 75 or 54 motors you want to try out, I'll be glad to offer the rocket as a test platform.
Scott

From bigrockets at verizon.net  Thu Mar 19 14:36:10 2009
From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:36:10 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Finally
Message-ID: <008701c9a8da$b93ab8a0$2bb029e0$@net>

I'm finally getting my paint area in shape! Whew! This will allow me a
dedicated area to paint cars, boats, rockets, more rockets, etc.

I didn't realize how much paint material I had!  I put it all on one wall in
my shop and it is 5 layers high and some 15' long. I think I have most of
the solid House of Kolors hues, and a lot of the candies. I have four or
five dry pearls that look great against white backgrounds. 

Rick Clapps Cherokee is BC 26 white with two coats of UFC-35 Flo Klear, and
one coat of red pearl/UFC-35, then three more coats straight UFC 35. It's
subtle when you view it dead on, if you stand to the side of it or get it
into sunlight you can see a reddish tinge to it. Looks cool I think.  Most
automotive applications in white pearls use greens blues with just a touch
of red.  Matching this stuff is a real challenge. If you don't know the
pearl percentage then it's just a best guess scenario. 

New projects? Well I still have a few unfinished projects that I'm looking
forward to completing.  I think the very first one that I'll finish is my
poor old Witchcraft Project. This poor things been waiting forever!  The
airframe and mechanical stuff is done and parts of the AV section and
forward airframe. The booster will need lots of sanding and some filling.
The parts that are painted right now are done in a beautiful purple shade
call "Pavo Purple."  The nice thing about this paint is that it's a candy
that's pre-mixed and doesn't require a gold or silver background. It shoots
out very well and looks great with just a simple clear top coat. I think
John Lyngdal may have a rocket we did in Pavo Purple. If you folks are
looking for a really different color for a rocket I suggest this one. 

I don't mean for this to sound like spam and it isn't meant to be. I just
wanted to put out some information on a new idea I've had about some paint
jobs I'm willing to do as a sort of economy type finish. I'll do a
monochromatic paint job on any rocket on a base coat / clear coat system.
The color coat will just be heavy enough to achieve hiding, and then 3 top
coats of clear.  The provisions are getting the rocket ready for paint so I
don't have to spend hours filling and sanding it.  I've received rockets
from Fred A.  and Jeff Bennett 

that they have got into primer ready condition that was just excellent. I
didn't have to do anything to them just rough up the surface for some primer
surfacer, shoot two to three coats of primer, and  sand it and it was off
the color and finishing. 

 

I have an interesting all fiberglass rocket that's using a 3" airframe
minimum diameter.  That will be fun to finish. I've also been thinking about
building a new project. I was looking at the Lockheed AQM-60 Kingfisher.
Nifty looking platform over all.  Bear with me hear for just a second or
two. I often thought how  easy it would be to see where your rocket landed
if something could be elevated above the sage brush at touchdown point. As
most of you probably know the Kingfisher did a ballistic landing on it's
long nose spike with the airframe up off the ground.  What an easy was to
find a rocket at Brothers!  I think the thing to do would be to bring it
down with a parachute that lets the rocket maintain enough momentum to
"stick" itself.  I don't think it would be a safety issue as long as it
landed down range.  It would be irresponsible to launch the rocket if there
was any chance of it either drifting back towards the flight line. This
would probably limit it's flights to more or less ideal conditions.
Launching it with a known  wind direction aloft, after several wind dummies
had gone up. 

Adjusting the elevation on the rail to get it oriented down range would also
be a consideration. Only takes a couple of degrees. 

 

I'm also thinking about building an exact size Minnie Magg with a K458 motor
mount.  A lot of you have seen my "Augie" go up on that motor. A most
impressive baby 98. As some of you may remember I did a LOC IV with a K458
mount in it, called Halloween. I lost a fin on this during boost and it just
sorta came all undone after that one.  I'm going to build another LOC IV 98
with information learned from the first one.  The Minnie Magg is just one of
the coolest little rockets that ever was in my opinion.  The LOC IV and the
Minnie Magg are my two favorite commercial kits.   They are grossly
underpowered in my opinion from the factory and are just begging to have a
motor upgrade. 

My last Minnie Magg, affectionately know as "Bud Fricky"  was incinerated
with a forward closure failure.  That rocket had a 54 mm mount in it. It
flew great with the bigger motor in it. 

 

I also built a 'spare parts rocket out of spares that I had laying around.
Three inch airframe, no electronics, motor ejection, 38mm mount. It was so
simple and I just  flew the dickens out of it.  I think the 38mm motors are
a great thrust for the buck, and that rocket flew great on them. I would
still be flying it today had I not become engaged in a conversation with an
elderly man and forgot to install the bp charge! 

I called this rocket "Master Of Sparks" after the ZZ Top tune.  I made a 4"
version of it and flew it on a Super Tiger 1111. Great motor good boost but
alas it came apart too.  Zippered it somehow methinks. That was a few years
ago. So I  will probably make a Master of Sparks III pretty soon.

 

I also have an XMIM23A  4" Hawk that's almost done. It features the actual
plan form that the real missiles have on the wings. I am detailing this
missile out the way I remember them. Should be fun.

 

I'm looking forward to seeing all of my old and new rocketry friends at
Brothers this year. It was difficult not being out there the last couple of
years and I missed it a lot. 

 

Dave Proffitt

 

-------------- next part --------------
I???m finally getting my paint area in shape! Whew! This will allow me a dedicated area to paint cars, boats, rockets, more rockets, etc.
I didn???t realize how much paint material I had! I put it all on one wall in my shop and it is 5 layers high and some 15??? long. I think I have most of the solid House of Kolors hues, and a lot of the candies. I have four or five dry pearls that look great against white backgrounds.
Rick Clapps Cherokee is BC 26 white with two coats of UFC-35 Flo Klear, and one coat of red pearl/UFC-35, then three more coats straight UFC 35. It???s subtle when you view it dead on, if you stand to the side of it or get it into sunlight you can see a reddish tinge to it. Looks cool I think. Most automotive applications in white pearls use greens blues with just a touch of red. Matching this stuff is a real challenge. If you don???t know the pearl percentage then it???s just a best guess scenario.
New projects? Well I still have a few unfinished projects that I???m looking forward to completing. I think the very first one that I???ll finish is my poor old Witchcraft Project. This poor things been waiting forever! The airframe and mechanical stuff is done and parts of the AV section and forward airframe. The booster will need lots of sanding and some filling. The parts that are painted right now are done in a beautiful purple shade call ???Pavo Purple.??? The nice thing about this paint is that it???s a candy that???s pre-mixed and doesn???t require a gold or silver background. It shoots out very well and looks great with just a simple clear top coat. I think John Lyngdal may have a rocket we did in Pavo Purple. If you folks are looking for a really different color for a rocket I suggest this one.
I don???t mean for this to sound like spam and it isn???t meant to be. I just wanted to put out some information on a new idea I???ve had about some paint jobs I???m willing to do as a sort of economy type finish. I???ll do a monochromatic paint job on any rocket on a base coat / clear coat system. The color coat will just be heavy enough to achieve hiding, and then 3 top coats of clear. The provisions are getting the rocket ready for paint so I don???t have to spend hours filling and sanding it. I???ve received rockets from Fred A. and Jeff Bennett
that they have got into primer ready condition that was just excellent. I didn???t have to do anything to them just rough up the surface for some primer surfacer, shoot two to three coats of primer, and sand it and it was off the color and finishing.
?
I have an interesting all fiberglass rocket that???s using a 3??? airframe minimum diameter. That will be fun to finish. I???ve also been thinking about building a new project. I was looking at the Lockheed AQM-60 Kingfisher. Nifty looking platform over all. Bear with me hear for just a second or two. I often thought how easy it would be to see where your rocket landed if something could be elevated above the sage brush at touchdown point. As most of you probably know the Kingfisher did a ballistic landing on it???s long nose spike with the airframe up off the ground. What an easy was to find a rocket at Brothers! I think the thing to do would be to bring it down with a parachute that lets the rocket maintain enough momentum to ???stick??? itself. I don???t think it would be a safety issue as long as it landed down range. It would be irresponsible to launch the rocket if there was any chance of it either drifting back towards the flight line. This would probably limit it???s flights to more or less ideal conditions. Launching it with a known wind direction aloft, after several wind dummies had gone up.
Adjusting the elevation on the rail to get it oriented down range would also be a consideration. Only takes a couple of degrees.
?
I???m also thinking about building an exact size Minnie Magg with a K458 motor mount. A lot of you have seen my ???Augie??? go up on that motor. A most impressive baby 98. As some of you may remember I did a LOC IV with a K458 mount in it, called Halloween. I lost a fin on this during boost and it just sorta came all undone after that one. I???m going to build another LOC IV 98 with information learned from the first one. The Minnie Magg is just one of the coolest little rockets that ever was in my opinion. The LOC IV and the Minnie Magg are my two favorite commercial kits. They are grossly underpowered in my opinion from the factory and are just begging to have a motor upgrade.
My last Minnie Magg, affectionately know as ???Bud Fricky??? was incinerated with a forward closure failure. That rocket had a 54 mm mount in it. It flew great with the bigger motor in it.
?
I also built a ???spare parts rocket out of spares that I had laying around. Three inch airframe, no electronics, motor ejection, 38mm mount. It was so simple and I just flew the dickens out of it. I think the 38mm motors are a great thrust for the buck, and that rocket flew great on them. I would still be flying it today had I not become engaged in a conversation with an elderly man and forgot to install the bp charge!
I called this rocket ???Master Of Sparks??? after the ZZ Top tune. I made a 4??? version of it and flew it on a Super Tiger 1111. Great motor good boost but alas it came apart too. Zippered it somehow methinks. That was a few years ago. So I will probably make a Master of Sparks III pretty soon.
?
I also have an XMIM23A 4??? Hawk that???s almost done. It features the actual plan form that the real missiles have on the wings. I am detailing this missile out the way I remember them. Should be fun.
?
I???m looking forward to seeing all of my old and new rocketry friends at Brothers this year. It was difficult not being out there the last couple of years and I missed it a lot.
?
Dave Proffitt
?

From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Thu Mar 19 15:29:53 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <0a5001c9a8ba$73671a50$5a354ef0$@com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<0a0b01c9a8b5$aeadc320$0c094960$@com>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D95C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<6bc920e40903191040h648fe626i59d0667e823dd571@mail.gmail.com>
	<0a5001c9a8ba$73671a50$5a354ef0$@com>
Message-ID: <b6c83dc3a0a90321e3cbd432f3a629b8.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

Big?

The MIGHTY Estes D.  ;-)

I had a huge, painful sliver in my finger a few days ago.  Finally got it
out with the help of my 8x magnifier...heh.
+McG+


> Define big.  Big diameter, big height, big impulse?  Keep in mind that
> some
> folks think 38mm is big, while others think 98mm is small.  Perspective is
> so varied...
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On
>> Behalf Of Dave Randall
>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:40 AM
>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>>
>> I'm working on a group project - U4EA's the rocket, and it'll be big.
>> Flying either a cluster or a big central motor depending on the day.
>> Did I mention it'll be big?
>>
>> Personally, I'll have my 2 stage Excel Plus Plus that'll go on either
>> a K/L/M staging to a K185.  My Competitor 3 will make a flight or two,
>> and a new Performance Rocketry Little Dog Dual deploy will fly on I/J
>> motor.
>>
>>
>> Dave
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Thu Mar 19 15:52:13 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:52:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...
In-Reply-To: <009801c9a8be$a3053590$e90fa0b0$@com>
References: <009801c9a8be$a3053590$e90fa0b0$@com>
Message-ID: <19a57f8c3947c918c294a4b66e805fc5.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

Oh gawd, Trekkers everywhere!  They multiply like tribbles!

Recently I've been watching videotapes I made when Star Trek TNG was
starting to air(1988).  Not very good video quality but watchable.  The
commercials, however, those were interesting.  Burritos for 79 cents, cars
for $8000, but a tape of the latest Star Trek movie was $29.95.  And the
Washington Lotto drawings just before each show dates the tapes.  But the
real laugh are the home computers in the commercials--no Windows, all text
based.

Doesn't seem that long ago.  Does seem like a different world.
+McG+


> Not exactly rockets, but something close.  Pay particular attention to
> where
> some of the people live.  Very local....
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cjnam4
>
> Kimberly
>
>
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Thu Mar 19 16:22:37 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:22:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
In-Reply-To: <1237492371.9672.11.camel@aiko.keithp.com>
References: <a5b4f5770903190951h473372d7n72b7bba07cc4487b@mail.gmail.com>
	<e068dfbd0903191024m1b3855d7l27958c786f2f4226@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5b4f5770903191116t2fe3efabv8b480b221eb69431@mail.gmail.com>
	<1237492371.9672.11.camel@aiko.keithp.com>
Message-ID: <fcef4e84a671eb60574b7cc04b03efb4.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

Having many years in rocketry during the heyday of Copperheads, aka
Crapperheads:

There are two main problems with Copperhead igniters.  One is breaks in
the copper foil.  These result usually from excessive bending and rough
handling.  The other problem is shorts, usually resulting from bending and
rough handling but also often present upon receipt.

Always test the resistance of a Copperhead with a tester that will not
fire it.  This requires a VOM or other device that can accurately measure
resistances from a fraction of an ohm to several ohms.  It takes a LOT of
current to fire a Copperhead so this isn't generally a worry when testing.

Copperheads do not use a bridge wire but rather an electrically conductive
pyrogen.  This means you have to heat up a rather large portion of the
pyrogen to achieve ignition and this means lots of amperage going through
it.  Hence the advice about clean flat contacts and 12-volt lead-acid
batteries.

The best results with Copperheads come from using a launch system that can
deliver so freakin' much current that it can burn out any shorts and then
ignite the pyrogen.  One club years ago used a 24 volt massive capacitance
discharge system that would only fail to fire a Copperhead if the foil was
broken.  Broken foil usually occurs near the pyrogen; Copperheads must be
handled delicately.  Some users claimed that gently scraping the edges
with a sharp blade would remove any shorts there.  I've tried that but am
not convinced.

So,
1) Handle gently.
2) Test before using.
3) Zap it with enough amperage to fry an elephant.

The wisdom of the ages.  :-)
+McG+


> On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 11:16 -0700, Brian Jarchow wrote:
>> The problem I have had is nothing happening.
>
> What kind of battery setup was this with? I had all kinds of trouble
> until I got a 12V lead-acid battery, even with that, I have to hold down
> the launch button for several seconds to get it started.
>
> --
> keith.packard at intel.com
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From bigredbee at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 16:17:23 2009
From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:17:23 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...
In-Reply-To: <19a57f8c3947c918c294a4b66e805fc5.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
References: <009801c9a8be$a3053590$e90fa0b0$@com>
	<19a57f8c3947c918c294a4b66e805fc5.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
Message-ID: <bf3fe8020903191617p6551c6b3u69e14ebd97255360@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder how many of these they sell:
http://www.skymall.com/shopping/detail.htm?pid=102827155&pnr=M53
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 16:50:00 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:50:00 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
References: <c22.5888b13d.36f3329a@aol.com><EA9E720CBB0B40FF9BD123221E676A13@downstair><1CF431EE860B4FD19A41A8837EAACA0A@Mobile2>
	<e1e3ba0b0903190919g3960260vf9119c9c67f1be82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d801c9a8ed$6b5aad30$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>

Folks,
We just won a 9 year struggle against AFT. NAR and TRA legal busted their 
humps to get us more freedoms and fewer regulations against our great hobby. 
While we are now standing by to see what AFT does next, I'm absolutely 
floored at what I'm reading on this list.

Speculated fraud email and now the motor for beer trade. What is going on? 
We just won. We can blow it and lose it just as fast. Why send something 
like that to a vast email list? Yes, we have freedom of speach. Sure. But 
why air something that can ONLY HURT our hobby. Statements like that hold no 
hobby value. We have no clue how many of the local AFT agents have signed up 
for this mail list. You say zero? I'm not willing to take the risk. So 
before sending pessimistic crap that may hurt our hobby, please stop and 
think first.

This list is for the good of the hobby. Email out to hurt the hobby should 
be taken elsewhere. My oppinion. It's ok if that's how you feel. I totally 
disagree. But no need on the list.

Cheers,
Robert


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aaron Fogg" <aaronfogg at gmail.com>
To: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
Cc: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>; <Mfreptiles at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES


> Dave sold me a N2000 for a case of beer once, true story.
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Scott T Bowers 
> <scott at scottsrockets.com>wrote:
>
>> I might add, just a few short years ago when easy access was the norm
>> vendors were not selling motors to anyone just to make a buck.
>>
>> I will admit, I have seen a few flight cards slip by that were less than
>> complete, but these were the exception and were no nefarious in any way.
>>
>>
>> Scott T. Bowers
>> www.scottsrockets.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:09 PM
>> To: Mfreptiles at aol.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
>>
>> RIGHT ARM!!!!!!!  Those of us who are among the cognoscenti, unnerstan...
>>
>> Dennis S Winningstad
>> 503-781-3529
>>
>> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:31 PM
>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
>>
>> Horse poo?  Really......
>>
>> Excuse me, but I have attended most of the OROC launches for the past ten
>> years and I've never witnessed a HPR launched without the motor being
>> listed.
>> Nor have I seen or heard of any instance of motors being sold to
>> uncertified
>> individuals at any OROC or TRA launch except for the sole purpose of
>> certification flights.
>>
>> And yes, you do have to be over 18 to buy a HPR motor and certified by 
>> NAR
>> or TRA to the impulse otherwise the dealer will not sell the motor.  From
>> what I've seen, all motors sales are documented with a TRA or NAR member
>> number and cert level by the dealer.  Motor vendors have to adhere to the
>> same TRA
>>
>> and NAR regulations as flyers.  This is all in TRA and NAR handbooks and 
>> is
>>
>> also part of their insurance policy.
>>
>> If you have proof of any backroom deals, lets hear it.
>>
>> Also, it would be easy to trace which pads those cards with missing motor
>> info were launched from because even if the motor info is missing, the 
>> pad
>> assignment won't be.  I would bet that all of the rockets with missing
>> motor
>> info have a pad assignment from the mid or low power pads.
>>
>> >From what I have witnessed over the past ten years is a well run
>> organization with no one playing fast and loose with the rules, 
>> especially
>> motor  dealers.
>>
>> How many launches have you attended?  To assume that dealers will  break
>> all
>>
>> of the rules for money is just asinine.  If this happened, they  would be
>> asked to leave the launch, just ask Jerry Irvine, which I'd be  surprised
>> if
>>
>> you've ever heard of him.
>>
>> And you are wrong, ATF still has jurisdiction over APCP.  The fat lady 
>> has
>> not sung yet.
>>
>> Mike F.
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 3/18/2009 9:25:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> jhadv at pacifier.com writes:
>>
>> Horse  poo.  Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for 
>> last
>> years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a  launch
>> where the cards are incompletely filled out.  As to which pads  they are
>> off, one can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor  listed
>> on
>> it does it.  Also I think your assertion that sellers will  only sell to
>> people who are appropriately certified is incredible on its  face. 
>> Common
>> experience strongly suggests otherwise.  If a man  is selling something
>> legal and is interested in sales he normally tends not  to ask too many
>> questions.  Why should he?  The sale is  legal.  You don't even have to 
>> be
>> over 18 anymore as nobody has  jurisdiction over APCP for the  moment.
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Thu Mar 19 16:51:25 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:51:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] N-prize
In-Reply-To: <DF64507FDBE127438979AB4243D58A54189F4AE672@NA-EXMSG-C110.redmond.corp
	.microsoft.com>
References: <DF64507FDBE127438979AB4243D58A54189F4AE672@NA-EXMSG-C110.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <48c2228eb2e1ab3dd1005bd2b265efcd.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

This goes back to the "chipsat" idea discussed in the 1990's on several
rocketry lists.  Orbit a satellite just big enough to copycat the first
Sputnik, just enough to be able to send out a beep saying in effect, "Hi. 
I'm in orbit.  Track me and see for yourself."

Can't be done for a thousand British pounds.

Basic idea was to do a straight-up launch to about 150-200 miles, orient
horizontally towards the sun, and then deliver enough of a delta-vee kick
to the final package to reach orbital velocity by spin stabilized
pyrotechnically fuzed solid rocket stages or, maybe perhaps, something
like a rail gun.  All the electronic complexity built into the final
vertical launch stage.

Doable by amateurs(with enough money) but not fitting into any current
amateur category in FAA regs.
+McG+


> The N-Prize is a challenge to launch an impossibly small satellite into
> orbit on a ludicrously small budget, for a pitifully small cash prize.
> ?
> http://www.n-prize.com/index.html
> ?
> ?
> Eric
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From MartyWeiser at comcast.net  Thu Mar 19 16:56:51 2009
From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty2)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:56:51 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <OFAA0D3A0F.149F6610-ON8825757E.005D1A7A-8825757E.005DBA2B@jci.com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<OFAA0D3A0F.149F6610-ON8825757E.005D1A7A-8825757E.005DBA2B@jci.com>
Message-ID: <015001c9a8ee$60168060$20438120$@net>

I am thinking of flying Skeeter Eater Beater on a small research N motor.
Hope to have the rest of the upscale mosquito fleet there for commercial
flights on smaller motors as well.

Marty


From melamy at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 19 16:59:25 2009
From: melamy at earthlink.net (melamy at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:59:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
Message-ID: <31636123.1237507166133.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


copperhead igniters were the reason I developed Verifire that Impulse Aerospace sold back in the 90s. The launch controller would make sure that the copperhead was neither shorted nor open.
I never had a failure after that... I seem to remember that we used the word crapper instead of copper...

best regards, Steve Thatcher

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Bloom, Steven E" <steven.e.bloom at boeing.com>
>Sent: Mar 19, 2009 1:34 PM
>To: "Eric Albrecht (blakbird11%40comcast.net)" <blakbird11 at comcast.net>, rockets at rocketsnw.com
>Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
>
>Well, up at Monroe, back in '98, my son Eric lit an early days blackjack
>E12 on a rainy day in October near dusk in waist deep wet grass using a
>ratty 'ole copper head he found in a muddy foot print over by Dave's
>'ole cop car.
>
>
>Ah, memories! I love copper head discussions. Brings back fond memories.
>
>
>steve
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>http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 19 17:11:25 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:11:25 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...
In-Reply-To: <19a57f8c3947c918c294a4b66e805fc5.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
References: <009801c9a8be$a3053590$e90fa0b0$@com>
	<19a57f8c3947c918c294a4b66e805fc5.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
Message-ID: <49C2DF2D.4010208@earthlink.net>

Think those are ancient?  Just watch this video.

Moon Machines-The Navigation Computer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GNJzLZH_qk


Robert

kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote:
> Oh gawd, Trekkers everywhere!  They multiply like tribbles!
>
> Recently I've been watching videotapes I made when Star Trek TNG was
> starting to air(1988).  Not very good video quality but watchable.  The
> commercials, however, those were interesting.  Burritos for 79 cents, cars
> for $8000, but a tape of the latest Star Trek movie was $29.95.  And the
> Washington Lotto drawings just before each show dates the tapes.  But the
> real laugh are the home computers in the commercials--no Windows, all text
> based.
>
> Doesn't seem that long ago.  Does seem like a different world.
> +McG+
>
>
>   
>> Not exactly rockets, but something close.  Pay particular attention to
>> where
>> some of the people live.  Very local....
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/cjnam4
>>
>> Kimberly
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
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> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>   
>
>   


From greg at blastzone.com  Thu Mar 19 17:16:31 2009
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:16:31 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051083A8C4@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051083A8C4@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>
Message-ID: <0b3601c9a8f1$1f382e10$5da88a30$@com>

Dude....  If I have to strap a GPS on that thing for recovery, I'm sending
you the bill!  ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Denny Smith
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:26 PM
> To: Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
> 
> -Denny
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
> FITS! :)
> 
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
> up.  Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
> 
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate
> Karaoke!  LOL!
> 
> Cheers everyone!
> 
> Red
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 


From dennys at carnitech.net  Thu Mar 19 17:33:37 2009
From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:33:37 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <0b3601c9a8f1$1f382e10$5da88a30$@com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051083A8C4@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>,
	<0b3601c9a8f1$1f382e10$5da88a30$@com>
Message-ID: <0E03A3DB-F6E2-4E85-9CB1-23CD76457024@mimectl>

Oh, It's just going to be a small 152mm motor.  Nothing to worry about ; )

D



From: Greg Deputy
Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 5:16 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; 'Angela Innes'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


Dude....  If I have to strap a GPS on that thing for recovery, I'm sending
you the bill!  ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Denny Smith
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:26 PM
> To: Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
> 
> -Denny
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
> FITS! :)
> 
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
> up.  Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
> 
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate
> Karaoke!  LOL!
> 
> Cheers everyone!
> 
> Red
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 
-------------- next part --------------
Oh, It's just going to be a small 152mm motor.? Nothing to worry about ; )
?
D
From:
Greg Deputy
Sent:
Thu 3/19/2009 5:16 PM
To:
'Denny Smith'; 'Angela Innes'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject:
RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
Dude.... If I have to strap a GPS on that thing for recovery, I'm sending you the bill! ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of Denny Smith > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:26 PM > To: Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... > > Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year. > > -Denny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... > > So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to > FITS! :) > > So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put > up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying? > > I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to > get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate > Karaoke! LOL! > > Cheers everyone! > > Red > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >

From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 17:46:01 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:46:01 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
Message-ID: <012201c9a8f5$3ec71c60$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>

I'll start by saying that I missed a joke. The beer comment was made to be a 
joke, and as you know I'm a bit of a jokester - I missed it. So to Aaron, 
sorry.

Regarding the balance of the "don't air dirty laundry" comment, I still 
believe in that.

Sorry Aaron, I owe ya a beer.

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Krausert" <lawndart.robert at gmail.com>
To: "Aaron Fogg" <aaronfogg at gmail.com>; "Scott T Bowers" 
<scott at scottsrockets.com>
Cc: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>; <Mfreptiles at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES


> Folks,
> We just won a 9 year struggle against AFT. NAR and TRA legal busted their 
> humps to get us more freedoms and fewer regulations against our great 
> hobby. While we are now standing by to see what AFT does next, I'm 
> absolutely floored at what I'm reading on this list.
>
> Speculated fraud email and now the motor for beer trade. What is going on? 
> We just won. We can blow it and lose it just as fast. Why send something 
> like that to a vast email list? Yes, we have freedom of speach. Sure. But 
> why air something that can ONLY HURT our hobby. Statements like that hold 
> no hobby value. We have no clue how many of the local AFT agents have 
> signed up for this mail list. You say zero? I'm not willing to take the 
> risk. So before sending pessimistic crap that may hurt our hobby, please 
> stop and think first.
>
> This list is for the good of the hobby. Email out to hurt the hobby should 
> be taken elsewhere. My oppinion. It's ok if that's how you feel. I totally 
> disagree. But no need on the list.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Aaron Fogg" <aaronfogg at gmail.com>
> To: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
> Cc: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>; <Mfreptiles at aol.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
>
>
>> Dave sold me a N2000 for a case of beer once, true story.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Scott T Bowers 
>> <scott at scottsrockets.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I might add, just a few short years ago when easy access was the norm
>>> vendors were not selling motors to anyone just to make a buck.
>>>
>>> I will admit, I have seen a few flight cards slip by that were less than
>>> complete, but these were the exception and were no nefarious in any way.
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott T. Bowers
>>> www.scottsrockets.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:09 PM
>>> To: Mfreptiles at aol.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
>>>
>>> RIGHT ARM!!!!!!!  Those of us who are among the cognoscenti, 
>>> unnerstan...
>>>
>>> Dennis S Winningstad
>>> 503-781-3529
>>>
>>> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:31 PM
>>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
>>>
>>> Horse poo?  Really......
>>>
>>> Excuse me, but I have attended most of the OROC launches for the past 
>>> ten
>>> years and I've never witnessed a HPR launched without the motor being
>>> listed.
>>> Nor have I seen or heard of any instance of motors being sold to
>>> uncertified
>>> individuals at any OROC or TRA launch except for the sole purpose of
>>> certification flights.
>>>
>>> And yes, you do have to be over 18 to buy a HPR motor and certified by 
>>> NAR
>>> or TRA to the impulse otherwise the dealer will not sell the motor. 
>>> From
>>> what I've seen, all motors sales are documented with a TRA or NAR member
>>> number and cert level by the dealer.  Motor vendors have to adhere to 
>>> the
>>> same TRA
>>>
>>> and NAR regulations as flyers.  This is all in TRA and NAR handbooks and 
>>> is
>>>
>>> also part of their insurance policy.
>>>
>>> If you have proof of any backroom deals, lets hear it.
>>>
>>> Also, it would be easy to trace which pads those cards with missing 
>>> motor
>>> info were launched from because even if the motor info is missing, the 
>>> pad
>>> assignment won't be.  I would bet that all of the rockets with missing
>>> motor
>>> info have a pad assignment from the mid or low power pads.
>>>
>>> >From what I have witnessed over the past ten years is a well run
>>> organization with no one playing fast and loose with the rules, 
>>> especially
>>> motor  dealers.
>>>
>>> How many launches have you attended?  To assume that dealers will  break
>>> all
>>>
>>> of the rules for money is just asinine.  If this happened, they  would 
>>> be
>>> asked to leave the launch, just ask Jerry Irvine, which I'd be 
>>> surprised
>>> if
>>>
>>> you've ever heard of him.
>>>
>>> And you are wrong, ATF still has jurisdiction over APCP.  The fat lady 
>>> has
>>> not sung yet.
>>>
>>> Mike F.
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 3/18/2009 9:25:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> jhadv at pacifier.com writes:
>>>
>>> Horse  poo.  Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for 
>>> last
>>> years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a  launch
>>> where the cards are incompletely filled out.  As to which pads  they are
>>> off, one can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor 
>>> listed
>>> on
>>> it does it.  Also I think your assertion that sellers will  only sell to
>>> people who are appropriately certified is incredible on its  face. 
>>> Common
>>> experience strongly suggests otherwise.  If a man  is selling something
>>> legal and is interested in sales he normally tends not  to ask too many
>>> questions.  Why should he?  The sale is  legal.  You don't even have to 
>>> be
>>> over 18 anymore as nobody has  jurisdiction over APCP for the  moment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479
>>> (
>>> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029050x1201385914/aol?redir=htt
>>> p:%2F%2Fad.doub
>>> leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212974460%3B34272906%3Bh)
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
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>>
> 


From aaronfogg at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 17:51:20 2009
From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:51:20 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
In-Reply-To: <012201c9a8f5$3ec71c60$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
References: <012201c9a8f5$3ec71c60$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <e1e3ba0b0903191751n6b1489c2lda1c3ea47843dd2@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Robert Krausert
<lawndart.robert at gmail.com>wrote:

> Sorry Aaron, I owe ya a beer.
>
>
Make it a case, I got motors to buy. ;)

Aaron Fogg
-------------- next part --------------
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Robert Krausert
< mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com
>
wrote:
Sorry Aaron, I owe ya a beer.
Make it a case, I got motors to buy. ;)
Aaron Fogg

From rocfish74 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 19 18:10:51 2009
From: rocfish74 at hotmail.com (Mark Lyons)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:10:51 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
In-Reply-To: <00d801c9a8ed$6b5aad30$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
References: <c22.5888b13d.36f3329a@aol.com><EA9E720CBB0B40FF9BD123221E676A13@downstair><1CF431EE860B4FD19A41A8837EAACA0A@Mobile2>
	<e1e3ba0b0903190919g3960260vf9119c9c67f1be82@mail.gmail.com> 
	<00d801c9a8ed$6b5aad30$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W10C1B089EA3BE9FD48EBFBA6970@phx.gbl>


Wound a little tight, Robert? Lighten up.

Mark
 
> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com
> To: aaronfogg at gmail.com; scott at scottsrockets.com
> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:50:00 -0700
> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com; Mfreptiles at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
> 
> Folks,
> We just won a 9 year struggle against AFT. NAR and TRA legal busted their 
> humps to get us more freedoms and fewer regulations against our great hobby. 
> While we are now standing by to see what AFT does next, I'm absolutely 
> floored at what I'm reading on this list.
> 
> Speculated fraud email and now the motor for beer trade. What is going on? 
> We just won. We can blow it and lose it just as fast. Why send something 
> like that to a vast email list? Yes, we have freedom of speach. Sure. But 
> why air something that can ONLY HURT our hobby. Statements like that hold no 
> hobby value. We have no clue how many of the local AFT agents have signed up 
> for this mail list. You say zero? I'm not willing to take the risk. So 
> before sending pessimistic crap that may hurt our hobby, please stop and 
> think first.
> 
> This list is for the good of the hobby. Email out to hurt the hobby should 
> be taken elsewhere. My oppinion. It's ok if that's how you feel. I totally 
> disagree. But no need on the list.
> 
> Cheers,
> Robert
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Aaron Fogg" <aaronfogg at gmail.com>
> To: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
> Cc: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>; <Mfreptiles at aol.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
> 
> 
> > Dave sold me a N2000 for a case of beer once, true story.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Scott T Bowers 
> > <scott at scottsrockets.com>wrote:
> >
> >> I might add, just a few short years ago when easy access was the norm
> >> vendors were not selling motors to anyone just to make a buck.
> >>
> >> I will admit, I have seen a few flight cards slip by that were less than
> >> complete, but these were the exception and were no nefarious in any way.
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott T. Bowers
> >> www.scottsrockets.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:09 PM
> >> To: Mfreptiles at aol.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
> >>
> >> RIGHT ARM!!!!!!! Those of us who are among the cognoscenti, unnerstan...
> >>
> >> Dennis S Winningstad
> >> 503-781-3529
> >>
> >> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:31 PM
> >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
> >>
> >> Horse poo? Really......
> >>
> >> Excuse me, but I have attended most of the OROC launches for the past ten
> >> years and I've never witnessed a HPR launched without the motor being
> >> listed.
> >> Nor have I seen or heard of any instance of motors being sold to
> >> uncertified
> >> individuals at any OROC or TRA launch except for the sole purpose of
> >> certification flights.
> >>
> >> And yes, you do have to be over 18 to buy a HPR motor and certified by 
> >> NAR
> >> or TRA to the impulse otherwise the dealer will not sell the motor. From
> >> what I've seen, all motors sales are documented with a TRA or NAR member
> >> number and cert level by the dealer. Motor vendors have to adhere to the
> >> same TRA
> >>
> >> and NAR regulations as flyers. This is all in TRA and NAR handbooks and 
> >> is
> >>
> >> also part of their insurance policy.
> >>
> >> If you have proof of any backroom deals, lets hear it.
> >>
> >> Also, it would be easy to trace which pads those cards with missing motor
> >> info were launched from because even if the motor info is missing, the 
> >> pad
> >> assignment won't be. I would bet that all of the rockets with missing
> >> motor
> >> info have a pad assignment from the mid or low power pads.
> >>
> >> >From what I have witnessed over the past ten years is a well run
> >> organization with no one playing fast and loose with the rules, 
> >> especially
> >> motor dealers.
> >>
> >> How many launches have you attended? To assume that dealers will break
> >> all
> >>
> >> of the rules for money is just asinine. If this happened, they would be
> >> asked to leave the launch, just ask Jerry Irvine, which I'd be surprised
> >> if
> >>
> >> you've ever heard of him.
> >>
> >> And you are wrong, ATF still has jurisdiction over APCP. The fat lady 
> >> has
> >> not sung yet.
> >>
> >> Mike F.
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 3/18/2009 9:25:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >> jhadv at pacifier.com writes:
> >>
> >> Horse poo. Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for 
> >> last
> >> years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a launch
> >> where the cards are incompletely filled out. As to which pads they are
> >> off, one can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor listed
> >> on
> >> it does it. Also I think your assertion that sellers will only sell to
> >> people who are appropriately certified is incredible on its face. 
> >> Common
> >> experience strongly suggests otherwise. If a man is selling something
> >> legal and is interested in sales he normally tends not to ask too many
> >> questions. Why should he? The sale is legal. You don't even have to 
> >> be
> >> over 18 anymore as nobody has jurisdiction over APCP for the moment.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479
> >> (
> >> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029050x1201385914/aol?redir=htt
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> >>
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Wound a little tight, Robert? Lighten up.
Mark
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> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com
> To: aaronfogg at gmail.com; scott at scottsrockets.com
> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:50:00 -0700
> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com; Mfreptiles at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
>
> Folks,
> We just won a 9 year struggle against AFT. NAR and TRA legal busted their
> humps to get us more freedoms and fewer regulations against our great hobby.
> While we are now standing by to see what AFT does next, I'm absolutely
> floored at what I'm reading on this list.
>
> Speculated fraud email and now the motor for beer trade. What is going on?
> We just won. We can blow it and lose it just as fast. Why send something
> like that to a vast email list? Yes, we have freedom of speach. Sure. But
> why air something that can ONLY HURT our hobby. Statements like that hold no
> hobby value. We have no clue how many of the local AFT agents have signed up
> for this mail list. You say zero? I'm not willing to take the risk. So
> before sending pessimistic crap that may hurt our hobby, please stop and
> think first.
>
> This list is for the good of the hobby. Email out to hurt the hobby should
> be taken elsewhere. My oppinion. It's ok if that's how you feel. I totally
> disagree. But no need on the list.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aaron Fogg" <aaronfogg at gmail.com>
> To: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
> Cc: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>; <Mfreptiles at aol.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
>
>
> > Dave sold me a N2000 for a case of beer once, true story.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Scott T Bowers
> > <scott at scottsrockets.com>wrote:
> >
> >> I might add, just a few short years ago when easy access was the norm
> >> vendors were not selling motors to anyone just to make a buck.
> >>
> >> I will admit, I have seen a few flight cards slip by that were less than
> >> complete, but these were the exception and were no nefarious in any way.
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott T. Bowers
> >> www.scottsrockets.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:09 PM
> >> To: Mfreptiles at aol.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
> >>
> >> RIGHT ARM!!!!!!! Those of us who are among the cognoscenti, unnerstan...
> >>
> >> Dennis S Winningstad
> >> 503-781-3529
> >>
> >> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:31 PM
> >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] DECISION CONSEQUENCES
> >>
> >> Horse poo? Really......
> >>
> >> Excuse me, but I have attended most of the OROC launches for the past ten
> >> years and I've never witnessed a HPR launched without the motor being
> >> listed.
> >> Nor have I seen or heard of any instance of motors being sold to
> >> uncertified
> >> individuals at any OROC or TRA launch except for the sole purpose of
> >> certification flights.
> >>
> >> And yes, you do have to be over 18 to buy a HPR motor and certified by
> >> NAR
> >> or TRA to the impulse otherwise the dealer will not sell the motor. From
> >> what I've seen, all motors sales are documented with a TRA or NAR member
> >> number and cert level by the dealer. Motor vendors have to adhere to the
> >> same TRA
> >>
> >> and NAR regulations as flyers. This is all in TRA and NAR handbooks and
> >> is
> >>
> >> also part of their insurance policy.
> >>
> >> If you have proof of any backroom deals, lets hear it.
> >>
> >> Also, it would be easy to trace which pads those cards with missing motor
> >> info were launched from because even if the motor info is missing, the
> >> pad
> >> assignment won't be. I would bet that all of the rockets with missing
> >> motor
> >> info have a pad assignment from the mid or low power pads.
> >>
> >> >From what I have witnessed over the past ten years is a well run
> >> organization with no one playing fast and loose with the rules,
> >> especially
> >> motor dealers.
> >>
> >> How many launches have you attended? To assume that dealers will break
> >> all
> >>
> >> of the rules for money is just asinine. If this happened, they would be
> >> asked to leave the launch, just ask Jerry Irvine, which I'd be surprised
> >> if
> >>
> >> you've ever heard of him.
> >>
> >> And you are wrong, ATF still has jurisdiction over APCP. The fat lady
> >> has
> >> not sung yet.
> >>
> >> Mike F.
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 3/18/2009 9:25:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >> jhadv at pacifier.com writes:
> >>
> >> Horse poo. Having had the pleasure of counting the launch cards for
> >> last
> >> years launches it's at least 2 or 3 a launch sometimes over 5 a launch
> >> where the cards are incompletely filled out. As to which pads they are
> >> off, one can't tell can one because the card doesn't have a motor listed
> >> on
> >> it does it. Also I think your assertion that sellers will only sell to
> >> people who are appropriately certified is incredible on its face.
> >> Common
> >> experience strongly suggests otherwise. If a man is selling something
> >> legal and is interested in sales he normally tends not to ask too many
> >> questions. Why should he? The sale is legal. You don't even have to
> >> be
> >> over 18 anymore as nobody has jurisdiction over APCP for the moment.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479
> >> (
> >> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029050x1201385914/aol?redir=htt
> >> p:%2F%2Fad.doub
> >> leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212974460%3B34272906%3Bh)
> >>
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> >>
> >
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From rocfish74 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 19 18:21:22 2009
From: rocfish74 at hotmail.com (Mark Lyons)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:21:22 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051083A8C4@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051083A8C4@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>
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I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for the FIRE thing.......
 
> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700
> From: dennys at carnitech.net
> To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
> 
> -Denny
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
> FITS! :)
> 
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
> up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
> 
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate
> Karaoke! LOL!
> 
> Cheers everyone!
> 
> Red
> 
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I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for the FIRE thing.......
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> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700
> From: dennys at carnitech.net
> To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
>
> -Denny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
> FITS! :)
>
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
> up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate
> Karaoke! LOL!
>
> Cheers everyone!
>
> Red
>
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From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Thu Mar 19 18:34:26 2009
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:34:26 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <0E03A3DB-F6E2-4E85-9CB1-23CD76457024@mimectl>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051083A8C4@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>,
	<0b3601c9a8f1$1f382e10$5da88a30$@com>
	<0E03A3DB-F6E2-4E85-9CB1-23CD76457024@mimectl>
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I need to get a longer cable for the transducer.....

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:34 PM
To: Greg Deputy; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

Oh, It's just going to be a small 152mm motor.  Nothing to worry about ; )

D



From: Greg Deputy
Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 5:16 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; 'Angela Innes'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


Dude....  If I have to strap a GPS on that thing for recovery, I'm sending you the bill!  ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Denny Smith
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:26 PM
> To: Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
>
> -Denny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
> FITS! :)
>
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
> up.  Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate
> Karaoke!  LOL!
>
> Cheers everyone!
>
> Red
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Thu Mar 19 18:35:20 2009
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:35:20 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <BLU135-W62AA0D37C6852CE83BD3DA6970@phx.gbl>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051083A8C4@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>
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try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time....

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Mark Lyons
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for the FIRE thing.......

> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700
> From: dennys at carnitech.net
> To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
>
> -Denny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
> FITS! :)
>
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
> up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate
> Karaoke! LOL!
>
> Cheers everyone!
>
> Red
>
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From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Thu Mar 19 18:42:49 2009
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:42:49 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...
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then you have what this guy did to his house

http://community.webshots.com/user/aja24



-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Harms
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:01 PM
To: NWR
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...

The tendency would be to call them "nuts".  But everyone outside a tribe
looks like a nut.  Regardless of the tribe.....

Kimberly

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:55 AM
To: 'Kimberly Harms'; 'NWR'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...

So Kimberly, have you ordered your yet? Maybe go for the whole bridge?


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com


-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Kimberly Harms
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:15 AM
To: NWR
Subject: [RocketsNW] The Northwest leads in many areas ...

Not exactly rockets, but something close.  Pay particular attention to where
some of the people live.  Very local....

http://tinyurl.com/cjnam4

Kimberly


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From fred at azinger.com  Thu Mar 19 18:56:00 2009
From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:56:00 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] 75mm
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A bold man serving up a virgin 4" to the EX gods....
Man, you've got guts....
Gambling on a new level.

How long a motor can you take?
Jeeze -- I wish I could make EX day -- this could be good "sport." ;-)

Mike F -- are you going -- any spare M-10k's???
FredA


-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott Berfield
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:31 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] 75mm

Hi all --

If any of you EX-ers ar elooking for something to test out motors in, I have a 75mm 4" competitor ready to roll for FITs. I'll likely be borrwing some hardware for soem sort of commercial load, but if any of you have 75 or 54 motors you want to try out, I'll be glad to offer the rocket as a test platform.

Scott




From fred at azinger.com  Thu Mar 19 19:05:13 2009
From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:05:13 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
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	<0E03A3DB-F6E2-4E85-9CB1-23CD76457024@mimectl>
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I find that the best test stand for motors that size is a hole in the
ground.
Holding onto something putting out more than 1000 pounds of thrust is a
problem not worth solving.
Dig a hole, push the earth.
Pressure measurements are sufficient, you don't need a load cell
too........assuming you have one that big.
FredA



-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:34 PM
To: Greg Deputy; 'Angela Innes'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

Oh, It's just going to be a small 152mm motor.  Nothing to worry about ; )

D



From: Greg Deputy
Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 5:16 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; 'Angela Innes'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


Dude....  If I have to strap a GPS on that thing for recovery, I'm sending
you the bill!  ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Denny Smith
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:26 PM
> To: Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
> 
> -Denny
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to 
> FITS! :)
> 
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put 
> up.  Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
> 
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to 
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate 
> Karaoke!  LOL!
> 
> Cheers everyone!
> 
> Red
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 


From absworld at cet.com  Thu Mar 19 20:00:25 2009
From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:00:25 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
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Denny,

You're small and I worry like hell about you ;-)

boBert

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:34 PM
To: Greg Deputy; 'Angela Innes'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

Oh, It's just going to be a small 152mm motor.  Nothing to worry about ; )

D



From: Greg Deputy
Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 5:16 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; 'Angela Innes'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


Dude....  If I have to strap a GPS on that thing for recovery, I'm sending
you the bill!  ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Denny Smith
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:26 PM
> To: Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
> 
> -Denny
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
> FITS! :)
> 
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
> up.  Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
> 
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate
> Karaoke!  LOL!
> 
> Cheers everyone!
> 
> Red
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 

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From absworld at cet.com  Thu Mar 19 20:00:48 2009
From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:00:48 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE209901E2AD@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>	<4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051083A8C4@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>	<BLU135-W62AA0D37C6852CE83BD3DA6970@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <054201c9a908$123dead0$36b9c070$@com>

That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your neck as
your arms fought with your feet for self preservation.

BoberT

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM
To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time....

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Lyons
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for
the FIRE thing.......

> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700
> From: dennys at carnitech.net
> To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
>
> -Denny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
> FITS! :)
>
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
> up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate
> Karaoke! LOL!
>
> Cheers everyone!
>
> Red
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>

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From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Thu Mar 19 20:25:29 2009
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:25:29 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <054201c9a908$123dead0$36b9c070$@com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>
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	<BLU135-W62AA0D37C6852CE83BD3DA6970@phx.gbl>
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yeah thats about how i remember it.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bob & Ann Yanecek
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:01 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your neck as your arms fought with your feet for self preservation.

BoberT

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM
To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time....

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Lyons
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for the FIRE thing.......

> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700
> From: dennys at carnitech.net
> To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
>
> -Denny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
> FITS! :)
>
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
> up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate
> Karaoke! LOL!
>
> Cheers everyone!
>
> Red
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>

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From dennys at carnitech.net  Thu Mar 19 20:30:16 2009
From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:30:16 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <054201c9a908$123dead0$36b9c070$@com>
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	<3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE209901E2AD@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>,
	<054201c9a908$123dead0$36b9c070$@com>
Message-ID: <61568507-6D08-44DA-9962-342B437A4501@mimectl>

I was actually standing there staring at it, and thinking, "is that really happening!?"

D



From: Bob & Ann Yanecek
Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 8:00 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your neck as
your arms fought with your feet for self preservation.

BoberT

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM
To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time....

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Lyons
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for
the FIRE thing.......

> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700
> From: dennys at carnitech.net
> To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
>
> -Denny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
> FITS! :)
>
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
> up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate
> Karaoke! LOL!
>
> Cheers everyone!
>
> Red
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>

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I was actually standing there staring at it, and?thinking, "is that really happening!?"
?
D
From:
Bob & Ann Yanecek
Sent:
Thu 3/19/2009 8:00 PM
To:
rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject:
Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your neck as your arms fought with your feet for self preservation. BoberT -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time.... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Mark Lyons Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for the FIRE thing....... > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700 > From: dennys at carnitech.net > To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... > > Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year. > > -Denny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... > > So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to > FITS! :) > > So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put > up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying? > > I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to > get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate > Karaoke! LOL! > > Cheers everyone! > > Red > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live(tm) Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Thu Mar 19 20:31:42 2009
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:31:42 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <61568507-6D08-44DA-9962-342B437A4501@mimectl>
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	<3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE209901E2AD@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>,
	<054201c9a908$123dead0$36b9c070$@com>
	<61568507-6D08-44DA-9962-342B437A4501@mimectl>
Message-ID: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE209901E49A@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>

there's video somewhere but I can't find it.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:30 PM
To: Bob & Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

I was actually standing there staring at it, and thinking, "is that really happening!?"

D



From: Bob & Ann Yanecek
Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 8:00 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your neck as your arms fought with your feet for self preservation.

BoberT

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM
To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time....

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Lyons
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for the FIRE thing.......

> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700
> From: dennys at carnitech.net
> To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
>
> -Denny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
> FITS! :)
>
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
> up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate
> Karaoke! LOL!
>
> Cheers everyone!
>
> Red
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>

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From dennys at carnitech.net  Thu Mar 19 20:47:25 2009
From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:47:25 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE209901E49A@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>	<4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051083A8C4@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>
	<BLU135-W62AA0D37C6852CE83BD3DA6970@phx.gbl>
	<3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE209901E2AD@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>,
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	<61568507-6D08-44DA-9962-342B437A4501@mimectl>,
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It's right here....

http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4

D



From: Brad Wright
Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 8:31 PM
To: Denny Smith; Bob & Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


there's video somewhere but I can't find it.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:30 PM
To: Bob & Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

I was actually standing there staring at it, and thinking, "is that really happening!?"

D



From: Bob & Ann Yanecek
Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 8:00 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your neck as your arms fought with your feet for self preservation.

BoberT

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM
To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time....

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Lyons
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for the FIRE thing.......

> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700
> From: dennys at carnitech.net
> To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
>
> -Denny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to
> FITS! :)
>
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
> up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate
> Karaoke! LOL!
>
> Cheers everyone!
>
> Red
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>

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It's right here....
?
http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4 http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4
?
D
From:
Brad Wright
Sent:
Thu 3/19/2009 8:31 PM
To:
Denny Smith; Bob & Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject:
RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
there's video somewhere but I can't find it. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:30 PM To: Bob & Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... I was actually standing there staring at it, and thinking, "is that really happening!?" D From: Bob & Ann Yanecek Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 8:00 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your neck as your arms fought with your feet for self preservation. BoberT -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time.... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Mark Lyons Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for the FIRE thing....... > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700 > From: dennys at carnitech.net > To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... > > Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year. > > -Denny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... > > So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to > FITS! :) > > So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put > up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying? > > I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to > get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate > Karaoke! LOL! > > Cheers everyone! > > Red > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live(tm) Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

From carl at mousetrap.com  Thu Mar 19 20:50:31 2009
From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:50:31 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <4B1E70F1-90F4-4898-8CE2-03F3BE77C681@mimectl>
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That is awesome! I particularly like the two pairs of legs running in
opposite directions at the end.
 - Carl

2009/3/19 Denny Smith <dennys at carnitech.net>

> It's right here....
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4 http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4
>
> D
> From:
> Brad Wright
> Sent:
> Thu 3/19/2009 8:31 PM
> To:
> Denny Smith; Bob & Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject:
> RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> there's video somewhere but I can't find it. -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:30 PM To: Bob &
> Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun
> Stuff.... I was actually standing there staring at it, and thinking, "is
> that really happening!?" D From: Bob & Ann Yanecek Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 8:00
> PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun
> Stuff.... That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your
> neck as your arms fought with your feet for self preservation. BoberT
> -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:
> rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday,
> March 19, 2009 6:35 PM To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes;
> rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time....
> -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:
> rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Mark Lyons Sent: Thursday,
> March 19, 2009 6:21 PM To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes;
> rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... I
> saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for
> the FIRE thing....... > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700 > From:
> dennys at carnitech.net > To: angela at wrightholdings.com;
> rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> > > Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year. > >
> -Denny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Angela Innes [mailto:
> angela at wrightholdings.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM > To:
> rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... > >
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to > FITS!
> :) > > So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put
> > up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying? > >
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to > get
> out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate > Karaoke!
> LOL! > > Cheers everyone! > > Red > >
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?- Carl
2009/3/19 Denny Smith
< mailto:dennys at carnitech.net dennys at carnitech.net
>
It's right here....
?
http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4 http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4
http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4 http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4
?
D
From:
Brad Wright
Sent:
Thu 3/19/2009 8:31 PM
To:
Denny Smith; Bob & Ann Yanecek; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject:
RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
there's video somewhere but I can't find it. -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:30 PM To: Bob & Ann Yanecek; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... I was actually standing there staring at it, and thinking, "is that really happening!?" D From: Bob & Ann Yanecek Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 8:00 PM To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your neck as your arms fought with your feet for self preservation. BoberT -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time.... -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
] On Behalf Of Mark Lyons Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for the FIRE thing....... > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700 > From: mailto:dennys at carnitech.net dennys at carnitech.net
> To: mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com angela at wrightholdings.com
; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... > > Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year. > > -Denny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Angela Innes [mailto: mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com angela at wrightholdings.com
] > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM > To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... > > So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to > FITS! :) > > So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put > up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying? > > I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to > get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate > Karaoke! LOL! > > Cheers everyone! > > Red > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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From kent.newman at comcast.net  Thu Mar 19 20:59:53 2009
From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:59:53 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <61568507-6D08-44DA-9962-342B437A4501@mimectl>
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Message-ID: <007001c9a910$53a2f850$fae8e8f0$@newman@comcast.net>

I still remember walking back after recovering my Nike hearing you guys
count down and then all hell breaks loose.

I thought, "Sheesh, that's another fire.  Wonder if we'll be able to put
that one out."

K

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:30 PM
To: Bob & Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

I was actually standing there staring at it, and thinking, "is that really
happening!?"

D



From: Bob & Ann Yanecek
Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 8:00 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your neck as
your arms fought with your feet for self preservation.

BoberT

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM
To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time....

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Lyons
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for
the FIRE thing.......

> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700
> From: dennys at carnitech.net
> To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
>
> -Denny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to 
> FITS! :)
>
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put 
> up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to 
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate 
> Karaoke! LOL!
>
> Cheers everyone!
>
> Red
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>

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From kent.newman at comcast.net  Thu Mar 19 21:01:11 2009
From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:01:11 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <61568507-6D08-44DA-9962-342B437A4501@mimectl>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>	<4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051083A8C4@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>	<BLU135-W62AA0D37C6852CE83BD3DA6970@phx.gbl>	<3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE209901E2AD@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>,
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Heh-heh!  Seriously, you guys were right on it.  Still amazing that it
pulled up, anyway.  

A lesson learned.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:30 PM
To: Bob & Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

I was actually standing there staring at it, and thinking, "is that really
happening!?"

D



From: Bob & Ann Yanecek
Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 8:00 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your neck as
your arms fought with your feet for self preservation.

BoberT

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM
To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time....

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Lyons
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for
the FIRE thing.......

> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700
> From: dennys at carnitech.net
> To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
>
> -Denny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to 
> FITS! :)
>
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put 
> up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to 
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate 
> Karaoke! LOL!
>
> Cheers everyone!
>
> Red
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>

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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Thu Mar 19 21:03:01 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:03:01 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
In-Reply-To: <007001c9a910$53a2f850$fae8e8f0$@newman@comcast.net>
References: <216599507FBC3445A7D7C0DC267527FB0132E1@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com>	<4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051083A8C4@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>	<BLU135-W62AA0D37C6852CE83BD3DA6970@phx.gbl>	<3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE209901E2AD@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>,
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	<007001c9a910$53a2f850$fae8e8f0$@newman@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D1656257C16E4ACBBEE27992DF7BC709@Mobile2>

Those oh crap moments in rocketry are tough when you are standing there but
make great stories later.  


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Kent Newman
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:00 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; 'Bob & Ann Yanecek'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

I still remember walking back after recovering my Nike hearing you guys
count down and then all hell breaks loose.

I thought, "Sheesh, that's another fire.  Wonder if we'll be able to put
that one out."

K

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:30 PM
To: Bob & Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

I was actually standing there staring at it, and thinking, "is that really
happening!?"

D



From: Bob & Ann Yanecek
Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 8:00 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your neck as
your arms fought with your feet for self preservation.

BoberT

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM
To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time....

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Lyons
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for
the FIRE thing.......

> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700
> From: dennys at carnitech.net
> To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
>
> -Denny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to 
> FITS! :)
>
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put 
> up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to 
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate 
> Karaoke! LOL!
>
> Cheers everyone!
>
> Red
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>

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From Mfreptiles at aol.com  Thu Mar 19 21:04:41 2009
From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:04:41 EDT
Subject: [RocketsNW] 75mm
Message-ID: <c0a.57a3a604.36f46fd9@aol.com>

Nope, not going to FITS.  It would be fun though I don't think the  stock kit 
would take it.
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 3/19/2009 6:56:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
fred at azinger.com writes:

Mike F  -- are you going -- any spare  M-10k's???


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Nope, not going to FITS.? It would be fun though I don't think the stock kit would take it.
?
Mike F.
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From matjamison at aol.com  Thu Mar 19 21:29:11 2009
From: matjamison at aol.com (matjamison at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:29:11 -0400
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
Message-ID: <8CB772B8D5F4878-D50-1BBC@webmail-dh02.sysops.aol.com>

Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll be flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few J-350's in some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's

Did someone say Beer??
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Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll be flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few J-350's in some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's
Did someone say Beer??
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Fri Mar 20 04:12:46 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:12:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
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Got one of those!  A little finicky about the phono plug, but works great.
+McG+


> copperhead igniters were the reason I developed Verifire that Impulse
> Aerospace sold back in the 90s. The launch controller would make sure that
> the copperhead was neither shorted nor open.
> I never had a failure after that... I seem to remember that we used the
> word crapper instead of copper...
>
> best regards, Steve Thatcher
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: "Bloom, Steven E" <steven.e.bloom at boeing.com>
>>Sent: Mar 19, 2009 1:34 PM
>>To: "Eric Albrecht (blakbird11%40comcast.net)" <blakbird11 at comcast.net>,
>> rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Copperhead igniters
>>
>>Well, up at Monroe, back in '98, my son Eric lit an early days blackjack
>>E12 on a rainy day in October near dusk in waist deep wet grass using a
>>ratty 'ole copper head he found in a muddy foot print over by Dave's
>>'ole cop car.
>>
>>
>>Ah, memories! I love copper head discussions. Brings back fond memories.
>>
>>
>>steve
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From bigrockets at verizon.net  Fri Mar 20 05:11:08 2009
From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 05:11:08 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
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Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket!  Mike Fisher took that
design to a higher level with his Velociraptor.  I am still gonna get one of
Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme on it. The HOK
green marbelizer when applied right has a very "reptilian" appearance to it.
Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL!  Was thinking of mostly  black with green
marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold fades
somewhere.  I love black paint. It goes with every color under the sun.  You
can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my crazy
paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere. 

I know! How about an upscale Raptor?  I'll do the paint scheme for free if
someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that. 

I like the split fin concept on the booster. 

The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on a
J415.  Great flight but everything came out at the same time. No damage.

Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the trailing
edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors.
I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I liked
the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod. 

Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight.   

Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...

Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll be
flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few J-350's in
some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's

Did someone say Beer??



From rocketsrfun at msn.com  Fri Mar 20 05:44:39 2009
From: rocketsrfun at msn.com (Don Harris)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 05:44:39 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
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	<001101c9a954$f40253b0$dc06fb10$@net>
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I remember that bird, except my Velociraptor didn't fair to well on the K700. This was before AeroTech upgraded the reloads because of the escaping gas issue. Nice CATO though!

Don
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dave Proffitt<mailto:bigrockets at verizon.net> 
  To: matjamison at aol.com<mailto:matjamison at aol.com> 
  Cc: OROC List<mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com> 
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...


  Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket!  Mike Fisher took that
  design to a higher level with his Velociraptor.  I am still gonna get one of
  Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme on it. The HOK
  green marbelizer when applied right has a very "reptilian" appearance to it.
  Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL!  Was thinking of mostly  black with green
  marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold fades
  somewhere.  I love black paint. It goes with every color under the sun.  You
  can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my crazy
  paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere. 

  I know! How about an upscale Raptor?  I'll do the paint scheme for free if
  someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that. 

  I like the split fin concept on the booster. 

  The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on a
  J415.  Great flight but everything came out at the same time. No damage.

  Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the trailing
  edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors.
  I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I liked
  the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod. 

  Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight.   

  Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt

  -----Original Message-----
  From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
  On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com<mailto:matjamison at aol.com>
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM
  To: rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com>
  Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...

  Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll be
  flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few J-350's in
  some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's

  Did someone say Beer??


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I remember that bird, except my Velociraptor didn't fair to well on the K700. This was before AeroTech upgraded the reloads because of the escaping gas issue. Nice CATO though!
?
Don
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:bigrockets at verizon.net Dave Proffitt
To:
mailto:matjamison at aol.com matjamison at aol.com
Cc:
mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com OROC List
Sent:
Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 AM
Subject:
Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket!? Mike Fisher took that
design to a higher level with his Velociraptor.? I am still gonna get one of
Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme on it. The HOK
green marbelizer when applied right has a very "reptilian" appearance to it.
Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL!? Was thinking of mostly? black with green
marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold fades
somewhere.? I love black paint. It goes with every color under the sun.? You
can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my crazy
paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere.
I know! How about an upscale Raptor?? I'll do the paint scheme for free if
someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that.
I like the split fin concept on the booster.
The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on a
J415.? Great flight but everything came out at the same time. No damage.
Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the trailing
edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors.
I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I liked
the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod.
Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight.??
Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt
-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of mailto:matjamison at aol.com matjamison at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM
To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll be
flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few J-350's in
some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's
Did someone say Beer??
_______________________________________________
Rockets mailing list
mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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From absworld at cet.com  Fri Mar 20 06:23:23 2009
From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:23:23 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
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I get a message saying ???that items seems to be missing????

 

boberT

 

From: Carl Hamilton [mailto:carl at mousetrap.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:51 PM
To: Denny Smith
Cc: Brad Wright; Bob & Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

 

That is awesome! I particularly like the two pairs of legs running in opposite directions at the end.

 

 - Carl

2009/3/19 Denny Smith <dennys at carnitech.net>

It's right here....
 
http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4 http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4
 
D
From:
Brad Wright
Sent:
Thu 3/19/2009 8:31 PM
To:
Denny Smith; Bob & Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject:

RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

there's video somewhere but I can't find it. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:30 PM To: Bob & Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... I was actually standing there staring at it, and thinking, "is that really happening!?" D From: Bob & Ann Yanecek Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 8:00 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your neck as your arms fought with your feet for self preservation. BoberT -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time.... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Mark Lyons Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for the FIRE thing....... > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700 > From: dennys at carnitech.net > To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... > > Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year. > > -Denny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... > > So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to > FITS! :) > > So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put > up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying? > > I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to > get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate > Karaoke! LOL! > > Cheers everyone! > > Red > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live(tm) Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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I get a message saying ???that items seems to be missing????
?
boberT
?
From:
Carl Hamilton [mailto:carl at mousetrap.com]
Sent:
Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:51 PM
To:
Denny Smith
Cc:
Brad Wright; Bob & Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject:
Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
?
That is awesome! I particularly like the two pairs of legs running in opposite directions at the end.
?
?- Carl
2009/3/19 Denny Smith < mailto:dennys at carnitech.net dennys at carnitech.net
>
It's right here....
?
http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4 http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4
http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4 http://tinyurl.com/cy5fl4
?
D
From:
Brad Wright
Sent:
Thu 3/19/2009 8:31 PM
To:
Denny Smith; Bob & Ann Yanecek; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject:
RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
there's video somewhere but I can't find it. -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:30 PM To: Bob & Ann Yanecek; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... I was actually standing there staring at it, and thinking, "is that really happening!?" D From: Bob & Ann Yanecek Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 8:00 PM To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your neck as your arms fought with your feet for self preservation. BoberT -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time.... -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
] On Behalf Of Mark Lyons Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for the FIRE thing....... > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700 > From: mailto:dennys at carnitech.net dennys at carnitech.net
> To: mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com angela at wrightholdings.com
; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... > > Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year. > > -Denny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Angela Innes [mailto: mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com angela at wrightholdings.com
] > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM > To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff.... > > So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to > FITS! :) > > So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put > up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying? > > I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to > get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate > Karaoke! LOL! > > Cheers everyone! > > Red > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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From absworld at cet.com  Fri Mar 20 06:23:45 2009
From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:23:45 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
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I too was out on recovery but got within sight so watched the festivities
via binocs.
Another example where a vertical orientation would have provided increased
safety/security.
I think we got REALucky a couple times last season with fires that could
have run away if the winds would have been different.

I hope we can continue with some kind of mowing effort to address this
issue.

Bobert

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Newman [mailto:kent.newman at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:00 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; 'Bob & Ann Yanecek'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

I still remember walking back after recovering my Nike hearing you guys
count down and then all hell breaks loose.

I thought, "Sheesh, that's another fire.  Wonder if we'll be able to put
that one out."

K

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Denny Smith
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:30 PM
To: Bob & Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

I was actually standing there staring at it, and thinking, "is that really
happening!?"

D



From: Bob & Ann Yanecek
Sent: Thu 3/19/2009 8:00 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


That's because your hiney sphincter was closed tightly around your neck as
your arms fought with your feet for self preservation.

BoberT

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM
To: Mark Lyons; 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

try is from up close, cool is not the word i was using at the time....

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Lyons
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:21 PM
To: 'Denny Smith'; Angela Innes; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....


I saw that flight. Unfortunately, no deployment. But it was COOL! Except for
the FIRE thing.......

> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:44 -0700
> From: dennys at carnitech.net
> To: angela at wrightholdings.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> Brad and I will be flying the test motor stand again this year.
>
> -Denny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Innes [mailto:angela at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to 
> FITS! :)
>
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put 
> up. Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to 
> get out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate 
> Karaoke! LOL!
>
> Cheers everyone!
>
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From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Fri Mar 20 08:03:38 2009
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:03:38 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
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Ok I'll bite.   I'll do a 6" diameter either Raptor or Velociraptor in fiberglass just cause I want a rocket without my usual sh***y paint job and instead have it be a Master-Proffitt-Piece.  :)

brad

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 AM
To: matjamison at aol.com
Cc: OROC List
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...

Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket!  Mike Fisher took that
design to a higher level with his Velociraptor.  I am still gonna get one of
Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme on it. The HOK
green marbelizer when applied right has a very "reptilian" appearance to it.
Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL!  Was thinking of mostly  black with green
marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold fades
somewhere.  I love black paint. It goes with every color under the sun.  You
can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my crazy
paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere.

I know! How about an upscale Raptor?  I'll do the paint scheme for free if
someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that.

I like the split fin concept on the booster.

The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on a
J415.  Great flight but everything came out at the same time. No damage.

Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the trailing
edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors.
I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I liked
the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod.

Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight.

Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...

Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll be
flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few J-350's in
some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's

Did someone say Beer??


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From fred.azinger at intel.com  Fri Mar 20 08:31:45 2009
From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:31:45 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
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Are you sure you want a hanger queen this large?
Dave's paint jobs are so nice, you'll display the rocket as art and won't want to fly it.
I know that is the status on my L3 that Dave painted.  
A nice hanger queen for my Den.....too purdy to fly!
Even my wife recognizes it as "rocket art."
FredA

PS: Dave does a hellofva paint job.......highly recommended.......but don't say I didn't warn you about not wanting to fly the end result.....

 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:04 AM
To: Dave Proffitt; matjamison at aol.com
Cc: OROC List
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...

Ok I'll bite.   I'll do a 6" diameter either Raptor or Velociraptor in fiberglass just cause I want a rocket without my usual sh***y paint job and instead have it be a Master-Proffitt-Piece.  :)

brad

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 AM
To: matjamison at aol.com
Cc: OROC List
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...

Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket!  Mike Fisher took that
design to a higher level with his Velociraptor.  I am still gonna get one of
Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme on it. The HOK
green marbelizer when applied right has a very "reptilian" appearance to it.
Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL!  Was thinking of mostly  black with green
marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold fades
somewhere.  I love black paint. It goes with every color under the sun.  You
can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my crazy
paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere.

I know! How about an upscale Raptor?  I'll do the paint scheme for free if
someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that.

I like the split fin concept on the booster.

The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on a
J415.  Great flight but everything came out at the same time. No damage.

Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the trailing
edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors.
I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I liked
the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod.

Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight.

Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...

Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll be
flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few J-350's in
some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's

Did someone say Beer??


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From adrian.l.carbine at gmail.com  Fri Mar 20 09:13:38 2009
From: adrian.l.carbine at gmail.com (Adrian L Carbine)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:13:38 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
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My saddest rocketry day was at LDRS near Amarillo in 2002, when my Ultimate
Endeavor had 2 out of 3 J350 outboards CATO on airstart, due to AT
propellant problems, after a nice K700 initial boost. This rocket had a
beautiful maroon and black Proffitt/HOK paint job that was a sight to
behold. In the sunlight it just sparkled and shone.

After the two "pops" in flight, the fin can rained down in pieces, and the
rest of the rocket fell in a flat spin and smashed to the ground. Most of it
went into the dumpster, with Taps playing and flags at half mast, but I kept
the uppermost body tube and nose cone just because. The amazing thing is
that on the inside the BT is all cracked and busted up, but on the outside
you can't even tell. It looks brand new. Of course the layer of fiberglass
kept things together, but that HOK paint is tough and flexible!

So with the right paint, that hanger queen can be tougher than you would
think, but on the other hand, a nice paint job sometimes seems to attract
bad luck. My other Proffitt-painted bird is my L3, and it has flown several
times, but most of its scratches and dings are from hauling it around to
rocketry show-and-tell sessions.

--- Adrian

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Azinger, Fred <fred.azinger at intel.com>wrote:

> Are you sure you want a hanger queen this large?
> Dave's paint jobs are so nice, you'll display the rocket as art and won't
> want to fly it.
> I know that is the status on my L3 that Dave painted.
> A nice hanger queen for my Den.....too purdy to fly!
> Even my wife recognizes it as "rocket art."
> FredA
>
> PS: Dave does a hellofva paint job.......highly recommended.......but don't
> say I didn't warn you about not wanting to fly the end result.....
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Brad Wright
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:04 AM
> To: Dave Proffitt; matjamison at aol.com
> Cc: OROC List
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
>
> Ok I'll bite.   I'll do a 6" diameter either Raptor or Velociraptor in
> fiberglass just cause I want a rocket without my usual sh***y paint job and
> instead have it be a Master-Proffitt-Piece.  :)
>
> brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 AM
> To: matjamison at aol.com
> Cc: OROC List
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
>
> Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket!  Mike Fisher took that
> design to a higher level with his Velociraptor.  I am still gonna get one
> of
> Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme on it. The HOK
> green marbelizer when applied right has a very "reptilian" appearance to
> it.
> Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL!  Was thinking of mostly  black with green
> marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold fades
> somewhere.  I love black paint. It goes with every color under the sun.
>  You
> can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my crazy
> paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere.
>
> I know! How about an upscale Raptor?  I'll do the paint scheme for free if
> someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that.
>
> I like the split fin concept on the booster.
>
> The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on a
> J415.  Great flight but everything came out at the same time. No damage.
>
> Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the
> trailing
> edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors.
> I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I
> liked
> the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod.
>
> Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight.
>
> Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
>
> Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll be
> flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few J-350's in
> some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's
>
> Did someone say Beer??
>
>
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My saddest rocketry day was at LDRS near Amarillo in 2002, when my Ultimate Endeavor had 2 out of 3 J350 outboards?CATO on airstart, due to AT propellant problems, after a nice K700 initial boost. This rocket had a beautiful maroon and black Proffitt/HOK paint job that was a sight to behold. In the sunlight it just sparkled and shone.
?
After the two "pops" in flight, the fin can rained down in pieces, and the rest of the rocket fell in a flat spin and smashed to the ground. Most of it went into the dumpster, with Taps playing and flags at half mast, but I kept the uppermost body tube and nose cone just because. The amazing thing is that on the inside the BT is all cracked and busted up, but on the outside you can't even?tell. It looks brand new. Of course the layer of fiberglass kept things together, but that HOK paint is tough and flexible!
?
So with the right paint, that hanger queen can be tougher than you would think, but on the other hand, a nice paint job sometimes seems to attract bad luck. My other Proffitt-painted bird is my L3, and it has flown several times, but most of its scratches and dings are from hauling it around to rocketry show-and-tell sessions.
?
--- Adrian
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Azinger, Fred
< mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com
>
wrote:
Are you sure you want a hanger queen this large?
Dave's paint jobs are so nice, you'll display the rocket as art and won't want to fly it.
I know that is the status on my L3 that Dave painted.
A nice hanger queen for my Den.....too purdy to fly!
Even my wife recognizes it as "rocket art."
FredA
PS: Dave does a hellofva paint job.......highly recommended.......but don't say I didn't warn you about not wanting to fly the end result.....
-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
] On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:04 AM
To: Dave Proffitt; mailto:matjamison at aol.com matjamison at aol.com
Cc: OROC List
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
Ok I'll bite. ? I'll do a 6" diameter either Raptor or Velociraptor in fiberglass just cause I want a rocket without my usual sh***y paint job and instead have it be a Master-Proffitt-Piece. ?:)
brad
-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
] On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 AM
To: mailto:matjamison at aol.com matjamison at aol.com
Cc: OROC List
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket! ?Mike Fisher took that
design to a higher level with his Velociraptor. ?I am still gonna get one of
Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme on it. The HOK
green marbelizer when applied right has a very "reptilian" appearance to it.
Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL! ?Was thinking of mostly ?black with green
marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold fades
somewhere. ?I love black paint. It goes with every color under the sun. ?You
can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my crazy
paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere.
I know! How about an upscale Raptor? ?I'll do the paint scheme for free if
someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that.
I like the split fin concept on the booster.
The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on a
J415. ?Great flight but everything came out at the same time. No damage.
Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the trailing
edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors.
I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I liked
the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod.
Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight.
Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt
-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
]
On Behalf Of mailto:matjamison at aol.com matjamison at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM
To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll be
flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few J-350's in
some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's
Did someone say Beer??
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From Mfreptiles at aol.com  Fri Mar 20 09:19:26 2009
From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:19:26 EDT
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
Message-ID: <ccb.463f5430.36f51c0e@aol.com>

Let me know if you'll need fins made, tubing slotted, decal sets.  I'm  about 
halfway finished building a CNC tubing slotter that can slot tubes up to  12" 
diameter.  I'll post pictures when it's done.
 
Mike F.
 
 
In a message dated 3/20/2009 8:05:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
bradwr at wrightholdings.com writes:

Ok I'll  bite.   I'll do a 6" diameter either Raptor or Velociraptor in  
fiberglass just cause I want a rocket without my usual sh***y paint job and  
instead have it be a Master-Proffitt-Piece.   :)


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Let me know if you'll need fins made, tubing slotted, decal sets.? I'm about halfway finished building a CNC tubing slotter that can slot tubes up to 12" diameter.? I'll post pictures when it's done.
?
Mike F.
?
In a message dated 3/20/2009 8:05:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bradwr at wrightholdings.com writes:
Ok I'll bite.?? I'll do a 6" diameter either Raptor or Velociraptor in fiberglass just cause I want a rocket without my usual sh***y paint job and instead have it be a Master-Proffitt-Piece.? :)
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From bwhitemarsh at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 09:30:29 2009
From: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net (bwhitemarsh at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:30:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?
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Does anyone know if there are plans for a launch this weekend at 60 acres??? I know there was some talk about postponing last week's launch to this Sunday.?? Weather should be a little bit better for a launch this weekend.?? Just wanting to see if it's worth making the trek up to Redmond. 



Bryan
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Does anyone know if there are plans for a launch this weekend at 60 acres?? I know there was some talk about postponing last week's launch to this Sunday.? Weather should be a little bit better for a launch this weekend.? Just wanting to see if it's worth making the trek up to Redmond.
?
Bryan

From greg at blastzone.com  Fri Mar 20 09:34:09 2009
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:34:09 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
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Yeah, Punch Drunk was real pretty.  Right up to when we hit the button.

But really, too pretty to fly?  Cmon.  Yes, Proffit paint jobs are beyond
beautiful, but if you think a rocket is too pretty to fly....well.....you
need counseling...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Adrian L Carbine
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:14 AM
> To: Azinger, Fred
> Cc: OROC List
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> 
> My saddest rocketry day was at LDRS near Amarillo in 2002, when my
Ultimate
> Endeavor had 2 out of 3 J350 outboards CATO on airstart, due to AT
propellant
> problems, after a nice K700 initial boost. This rocket had a beautiful
maroon
> and black Proffitt/HOK paint job that was a sight to behold. In the
sunlight
> it just sparkled and shone.
> 
> After the two "pops" in flight, the fin can rained down in pieces, and the
> rest of the rocket fell in a flat spin and smashed to the ground. Most of
it
> went into the dumpster, with Taps playing and flags at half mast, but I
kept
> the uppermost body tube and nose cone just because. The amazing thing is
that
> on the inside the BT is all cracked and busted up, but on the outside you
> can't even tell. It looks brand new. Of course the layer of fiberglass
kept
> things together, but that HOK paint is tough and flexible!
> 
> So with the right paint, that hanger queen can be tougher than you would
> think, but on the other hand, a nice paint job sometimes seems to attract
bad
> luck. My other Proffitt-painted bird is my L3, and it has flown several
times,
> but most of its scratches and dings are from hauling it around to rocketry
> show-and-tell sessions.
> 
> --- Adrian
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Azinger, Fred
<fred.azinger at intel.com>wrote:
> 
> > Are you sure you want a hanger queen this large?
> > Dave's paint jobs are so nice, you'll display the rocket as art and
> > won't want to fly it.
> > I know that is the status on my L3 that Dave painted.
> > A nice hanger queen for my Den.....too purdy to fly!
> > Even my wife recognizes it as "rocket art."
> > FredA
> >
> > PS: Dave does a hellofva paint job.......highly recommended.......but
> > don't say I didn't warn you about not wanting to fly the end result.....
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Brad Wright
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:04 AM
> > To: Dave Proffitt; matjamison at aol.com
> > Cc: OROC List
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Ok I'll bite.   I'll do a 6" diameter either Raptor or Velociraptor in
> > fiberglass just cause I want a rocket without my usual sh***y paint
> > job and instead have it be a Master-Proffitt-Piece.  :)
> >
> > brad
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 AM
> > To: matjamison at aol.com
> > Cc: OROC List
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket!  Mike Fisher took
> > that design to a higher level with his Velociraptor.  I am still gonna
> > get one of Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme
> > on it. The HOK green marbelizer when applied right has a very
> > "reptilian" appearance to it.
> > Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL!  Was thinking of mostly  black with
> > green marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold
> > fades somewhere.  I love black paint. It goes with every color under the
> sun.
> >  You
> > can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my
> > crazy paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere.
> >
> > I know! How about an upscale Raptor?  I'll do the paint scheme for
> > free if someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that.
> >
> > I like the split fin concept on the booster.
> >
> > The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on
> > a J415.  Great flight but everything came out at the same time. No
damage.
> >
> > Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the
> > trailing edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors.
> > I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I
> > liked the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod.
> >
> > Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight.
> >
> > Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com
> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll
> > be flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few
> > J-350's in some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's
> >
> > Did someone say Beer??
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rockets mailing list
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >
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> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >
> >


From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Fri Mar 20 09:35:23 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:35:23 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?
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Last I'd heard the plan was still tentatively in place for a launch--Barring the arrival of a monsoon.   1000 to 1400 PDT.

 My students and I are watching the weather with a careful eye.  If it's at all close to flyable, we'll be out there.  Time is growing short for TARC qualification and the weather has not exactly been cooperating with us....

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of bwhitemarsh at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:30 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?



Does anyone know if there are plans for a launch this weekend at 60 acres?? I know there was some talk about postponing last week's launch to this Sunday.? Weather should be a little bit better for a launch this weekend.? Just wanting to see if it's worth making the trek up to Redmond. 



Bryan

From worthenc at msn.com  Fri Mar 20 09:39:02 2009
From: worthenc at msn.com (JAMES C WORTHEN)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:39:02 -0600
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?
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Peter,
J C Worthen here (Boise) would you please detour the weather even farther north for us to.  We are having the same problem getting some quality flying weather for our local TARC teams as well.
J C 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Schurke, Peter<mailto:pmschurke at seattleschools.org> 
  To: rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com> 
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?


  Last I'd heard the plan was still tentatively in place for a launch--Barring the arrival of a monsoon.   1000 to 1400 PDT.

   My students and I are watching the weather with a careful eye.  If it's at all close to flyable, we'll be out there.  Time is growing short for TARC qualification and the weather has not exactly been cooperating with us....

  Pete

  -----Original Message-----
  From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of bwhitemarsh at comcast.net<mailto:bwhitemarsh at comcast.net>
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:30 AM
  To: rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com>
  Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?



  Does anyone know if there are plans for a launch this weekend at 60 acres? I know there was some talk about postponing last week's launch to this Sunday. Weather should be a little bit better for a launch this weekend. Just wanting to see if it's worth making the trek up to Redmond. 



  Bryan
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Peter,
J C Worthen here (Boise) would you please detour the weather even farther north for us to.? We are having the same problem getting some quality flying weather for our local TARC teams as well.
J C
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:pmschurke at seattleschools.org Schurke, Peter
To:
mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent:
Friday, March 20, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject:
Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?
Last I'd heard the plan was still tentatively in place for a launch--Barring the arrival of a monsoon.?? 1000 to 1400 PDT.
?My students and I are watching the weather with a careful eye.? If it's at all close to flyable, we'll be out there.? Time is growing short for TARC qualification and the weather has not exactly been cooperating with us....
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of mailto:bwhitemarsh at comcast.net bwhitemarsh at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:30 AM
To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?
Does anyone know if there are plans for a launch this weekend at 60 acres? I know there was some talk about postponing last week's launch to this Sunday. Weather should be a little bit better for a launch this weekend. Just wanting to see if it's worth making the trek up to Redmond.
Bryan
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From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Fri Mar 20 09:57:14 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:57:14 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?
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More than happy to detour our semi-crappy weather to you if it means
that we get some non-crappy weather in it's place!  :-P
 
Best of luck to you.  Hope to see you at the finals! (Because it'd mean
that we're both there...)
 
Pete

________________________________

From: JAMES C WORTHEN [mailto:worthenc at msn.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:39 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; Schurke, Peter
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?


Peter,
J C Worthen here (Boise) would you please detour the weather even
farther north for us to.  We are having the same problem getting some
quality flying weather for our local TARC teams as well.
J C 

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Schurke, Peter <mailto:pmschurke at seattleschools.org>  
	To: rockets at rocketsnw.com 
	Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:35 AM
	Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?

	Last I'd heard the plan was still tentatively in place for a
launch--Barring the arrival of a monsoon.   1000 to 1400 PDT.
	
	 My students and I are watching the weather with a careful eye.
If it's at all close to flyable, we'll be out there.  Time is growing
short for TARC qualification and the weather has not exactly been
cooperating with us....
	
	Pete
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of
bwhitemarsh at comcast.net
	Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:30 AM
	To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
	Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?
	
	
	
	Does anyone know if there are plans for a launch this weekend at
60 acres? I know there was some talk about postponing last week's launch
to this Sunday. Weather should be a little bit better for a launch this
weekend. Just wanting to see if it's worth making the trek up to
Redmond. 
	
	
	
	Bryan
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More than happy to detour our semi-crappy weather to you if it means that we get some non-crappy weather in it's place!? :-P
?
Best of luck to you.? Hope to see you at the finals! (Because it'd mean that we're both there...)
?
Pete
From:
JAMES C WORTHEN [mailto:worthenc at msn.com]
Sent:
Friday, March 20, 2009 9:39 AM
To:
rockets at rocketsnw.com; Schurke, Peter
Subject:
Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?
Peter,
J C Worthen here (Boise) would you please detour the weather even farther north for us to.? We are having the same problem getting some quality flying weather for our local TARC teams as well.
J C
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:pmschurke at seattleschools.org Schurke, Peter
To:
mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent:
Friday, March 20, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject:
Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?
Last I'd heard the plan was still tentatively in place for a launch--Barring the arrival of a monsoon.?? 1000 to 1400 PDT.
?My students and I are watching the weather with a careful eye.? If it's at all close to flyable, we'll be out there.? Time is growing short for TARC qualification and the weather has not exactly been cooperating with us....
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of mailto:bwhitemarsh at comcast.net bwhitemarsh at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:30 AM
To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?
Does anyone know if there are plans for a launch this weekend at 60 acres? I know there was some talk about postponing last week's launch to this Sunday. Weather should be a little bit better for a launch this weekend. Just wanting to see if it's worth making the trek up to Redmond.
Bryan
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From Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 10:30:19 2009
From: Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net (Michael Dennis)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:30:19 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
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Beer and Scotch and Tequila (in the evenings of course) will be flowing
around our section, especially after a successful flight of U4EA!

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...

Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll be
flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few J-350's in
some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's

Did someone say Beer??


From christopher.doll at verizon.net  Fri Mar 20 11:02:25 2009
From: christopher.doll at verizon.net (Christopher Doll)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:02:25 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] 100,000 Ft. for under $150USD
Message-ID: <E77FF689270645CC9AED3575D4F26C21@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

This is why it's so cool to live in the future.  Here's what you can do with an $80 digital camera and $60 worth of latex balloons

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5005022/Teens-capture-images-of-space-with-56-camera-and-balloon.html

Christopher Doll
http://www.rendezvous-design.com
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?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5005022/Teens-capture-images-of-space-with-56-camera-and-balloon.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5005022/Teens-capture-images-of-space-with-56-camera-and-balloon.html
?
Christopher Doll
http://www.rendezvous-design.com http://www.rendezvous-design.com

From clappfamily at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 11:04:16 2009
From: clappfamily at comcast.net (clappfamily at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:04:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
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Yes.?? I know I need counseling! 



Owner of 2 Dave Proffit Painted Rockets! 



Rick 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Deputy" <greg at blastzone.com> 
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:34:09 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff... 

Yeah, Punch Drunk was real pretty. ??Right up to when we hit the button. 

But really, too pretty to fly? ??Cmon. ??Yes, Proffit paint jobs are beyond 
beautiful, but if you think a rocket is too pretty to fly....well.....you 
need counseling... 

> -----Original Message----- 
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] 
On 
> Behalf Of Adrian L Carbine 
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:14 AM 
> To: Azinger, Fred 
> Cc: OROC List 
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff... 
> 
> My saddest rocketry day was at LDRS near Amarillo in 2002, when my 
Ultimate 
> Endeavor had 2 out of 3 J350 outboards CATO on airstart, due to AT 
propellant 
> problems, after a nice K700 initial boost. This rocket had a beautiful 
maroon 
> and black Proffitt/HOK paint job that was a sight to behold. In the 
sunlight 
> it just sparkled and shone. 
> 
> After the two "pops" in flight, the fin can rained down in pieces, and the 
> rest of the rocket fell in a flat spin and smashed to the ground. Most of 
it 
> went into the dumpster, with Taps playing and flags at half mast, but I 
kept 
> the uppermost body tube and nose cone just because. The amazing thing is 
that 
> on the inside the BT is all cracked and busted up, but on the outside you 
> can't even tell. It looks brand new. Of course the layer of fiberglass 
kept 
> things together, but that HOK paint is tough and flexible! 
> 
> So with the right paint, that hanger queen can be tougher than you would 
> think, but on the other hand, a nice paint job sometimes seems to attract 
bad 
> luck. My other Proffitt-painted bird is my L3, and it has flown several 
times, 
> but most of its scratches and dings are from hauling it around to rocketry 
> show-and-tell sessions. 
> 
> --- Adrian 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Azinger, Fred 
<fred.azinger at intel.com>wrote: 
> 
> > Are you sure you want a hanger queen this large? 
> > Dave's paint jobs are so nice, you'll display the rocket as art and 
> > won't want to fly it. 
> > I know that is the status on my L3 that Dave painted. 
> > A nice hanger queen for my Den.....too purdy to fly! 
> > Even my wife recognizes it as "rocket art." 
> > FredA 
> > 
> > PS: Dave does a hellofva paint job.......highly recommended.......but 
> > don't say I didn't warn you about not wanting to fly the end result..... 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] 
> > On Behalf Of Brad Wright 
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:04 AM 
> > To: Dave Proffitt; matjamison at aol.com 
> > Cc: OROC List 
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff... 
> > 
> > Ok I'll bite. ?? I'll do a 6" diameter either Raptor or Velociraptor in 
> > fiberglass just cause I want a rocket without my usual sh***y paint 
> > job and instead have it be a Master-Proffitt-Piece. ??:) 
> > 
> > brad 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] 
> > On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt 
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 AM 
> > To: matjamison at aol.com 
> > Cc: OROC List 
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff... 
> > 
> > Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket! ??Mike Fisher took 
> > that design to a higher level with his Velociraptor. ??I am still gonna 
> > get one of Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme 
> > on it. The HOK green marbelizer when applied right has a very 
> > "reptilian" appearance to it. 
> > Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL! ??Was thinking of mostly ??black with 
> > green marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold 
> > fades somewhere. ??I love black paint. It goes with every color under the 
> sun. 
> > ??You 
> > can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my 
> > crazy paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere. 
> > 
> > I know! How about an upscale Raptor? ??I'll do the paint scheme for 
> > free if someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that. 
> > 
> > I like the split fin concept on the booster. 
> > 
> > The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on 
> > a J415. ??Great flight but everything came out at the same time. No 
damage. 
> > 
> > Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the 
> > trailing edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors. 
> > I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I 
> > liked the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod. 
> > 
> > Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight. 
> > 
> > Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] 
> > On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM 
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com 
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff... 
> > 
> > Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll 
> > be flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few 
> > J-350's in some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's 
> > 
> > Did someone say Beer?? 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > Rockets mailing list 
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > Rockets mailing list 
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 
> > 
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> > 
> > 

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Yes.? I know I need counseling!
?
Owner of 2 Dave Proffit Painted Rockets!
?
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Deputy" <greg at blastzone.com>
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:34:09 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
Yeah, Punch Drunk was real pretty. ?Right up to when we hit the button.
But really, too pretty to fly? ?Cmon. ?Yes, Proffit paint jobs are beyond
beautiful, but if you think a rocket is too pretty to fly....well.....you
need counseling...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Adrian L Carbine
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:14 AM
> To: Azinger, Fred
> Cc: OROC List
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
>
> My saddest rocketry day was at LDRS near Amarillo in 2002, when my
Ultimate
> Endeavor had 2 out of 3 J350 outboards CATO on airstart, due to AT
propellant
> problems, after a nice K700 initial boost. This rocket had a beautiful
maroon
> and black Proffitt/HOK paint job that was a sight to behold. In the
sunlight
> it just sparkled and shone.
>
> After the two "pops" in flight, the fin can rained down in pieces, and the
> rest of the rocket fell in a flat spin and smashed to the ground. Most of
it
> went into the dumpster, with Taps playing and flags at half mast, but I
kept
> the uppermost body tube and nose cone just because. The amazing thing is
that
> on the inside the BT is all cracked and busted up, but on the outside you
> can't even tell. It looks brand new. Of course the layer of fiberglass
kept
> things together, but that HOK paint is tough and flexible!
>
> So with the right paint, that hanger queen can be tougher than you would
> think, but on the other hand, a nice paint job sometimes seems to attract
bad
> luck. My other Proffitt-painted bird is my L3, and it has flown several
times,
> but most of its scratches and dings are from hauling it around to rocketry
> show-and-tell sessions.
>
> --- Adrian
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Azinger, Fred
<fred.azinger at intel.com>wrote:
>
> > Are you sure you want a hanger queen this large?
> > Dave's paint jobs are so nice, you'll display the rocket as art and
> > won't want to fly it.
> > I know that is the status on my L3 that Dave painted.
> > A nice hanger queen for my Den.....too purdy to fly!
> > Even my wife recognizes it as "rocket art."
> > FredA
> >
> > PS: Dave does a hellofva paint job.......highly recommended.......but
> > don't say I didn't warn you about not wanting to fly the end result.....
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Brad Wright
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:04 AM
> > To: Dave Proffitt; matjamison at aol.com
> > Cc: OROC List
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Ok I'll bite. ? I'll do a 6" diameter either Raptor or Velociraptor in
> > fiberglass just cause I want a rocket without my usual sh***y paint
> > job and instead have it be a Master-Proffitt-Piece. ?:)
> >
> > brad
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 AM
> > To: matjamison at aol.com
> > Cc: OROC List
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket! ?Mike Fisher took
> > that design to a higher level with his Velociraptor. ?I am still gonna
> > get one of Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme
> > on it. The HOK green marbelizer when applied right has a very
> > "reptilian" appearance to it.
> > Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL! ?Was thinking of mostly ?black with
> > green marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold
> > fades somewhere. ?I love black paint. It goes with every color under the
> sun.
> > ?You
> > can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my
> > crazy paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere.
> >
> > I know! How about an upscale Raptor? ?I'll do the paint scheme for
> > free if someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that.
> >
> > I like the split fin concept on the booster.
> >
> > The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on
> > a J415. ?Great flight but everything came out at the same time. No
damage.
> >
> > Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the
> > trailing edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors.
> > I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I
> > liked the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod.
> >
> > Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight.
> >
> > Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com
> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll
> > be flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few
> > J-350's in some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's
> >
> > Did someone say Beer??
> >
> >
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From aaronfogg at gmail.com  Fri Mar 20 11:38:39 2009
From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:38:39 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] 100,000 Ft. for under $150USD
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Wow too cool. Thanks for sharing.


Aaron Fogg

2009/3/20 Christopher Doll <christopher.doll at verizon.net>

> This is why it's so cool to live in the future.  Here's what you can do
> with an $80 digital camera and $60 worth of latex balloons
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5005022/Teens-capture-images-of-space-with-56-camera-and-balloon.html
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5005022/Teens-capture-images-of-space-with-56-camera-and-balloon.html
>
> Christopher Doll
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>
This is why it's so cool to live in the future.? Here's what you can do with an $80 digital camera and $60 worth of latex balloons
?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5005022/Teens-capture-images-of-space-with-56-camera-and-balloon.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5005022/Teens-capture-images-of-space-with-56-camera-and-balloon.html
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 20 11:52:13 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:52:13 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
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Everyone still up for the Leprechaun's Leap launch at 60 Acres this 
Sunday at 10AM?

robert

Schurke, Peter wrote:
> As much as I'd love to get the students out there to gather some more data, a 90% chance of rain, low predicted cloud ceilings, and unfavorable winds are not a rocket friendly combination.  (Besides, this late in the game, they can't afford to lose their vehicles to the rocket-eating trees...)  
>  
> If we don't see a dramatic shift in the forecast by the end of school on Friday I'm going to tell my kids to bag it and we'll wait for the weather to clear midweek.
>  
> Peter Schurke
> Teacher and Lead Advisor
> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
> Ingraham High School
> Seattle, WA
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Dennis Winningstad
> Sent: Thu 3/12/2009 5:22 PM
> To: 'Hammer'; 'NW Rocketry mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
>
>
> Man up, dude...get your anatomy out there and launch rockets!
>
> Dennis S Winningstad
> 503-781-3529
>
> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Hammer
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:52 PM
> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>
> Today is a beautiful day for flying rockets but looking at the Sunday
> forecast I'm just wondering if it is going to be a rain out.
>
> Should we just continue to plan on it happening and play it by ear on
> Sunday morning?
>
> Robert
>
> Robert Krausert wrote:
>   
>> OK, Here is what I know.
>>
>> Obama only blocked legislation that was signed by the Whitehouse. This
>> was a change only to regulations and to accomodate the paper reduction
>> act. No sig by Bush. Therefore, this new rule is registered and active
>> today. No 60-90 day delay based on the "holds" placed on signed
>> laws/bills.
>>
>> As far as the registry is concerned, this new classing and
>> notification requirements are in effect now. I'm no legal guy. But the
>> new administration only blocked those that went through the
>> Whitehouse. This one never did.
>>
>> Just remember, table 1 requires a launch zone 5 miles from an airport.
>> Those within 5 mile must revert to table 2, the FAR101 stuff. Read the
>> rules when within 5 miles, and yes 24 hour notice still applies. B e
>> acreful. Inside the 5 miles, there is a list in Table 2 that you need
>> to provide. Cool thing is that it's over the phone only, with no
>> written/faxed info.
>>
>> That's how I read it. Thus my interp.  of thesse rules.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Robert
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer"
>> <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
>> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>
>>
>> So the news desk article on RocketryPlanet.com published on 3FEB09 about
>> the new regs being in effect is incorrect?
>>
>> Someone might want to alert RP that these regs won't go into effect
>> until 60 or ninety days after 2FEB09. Otherwise a significant number of
>> individual rocketeers as well as clubs might be out there flying FAR101
>> rockets without doing the necessary notifications.
>>
>> I have not received any emails from Cheryl Brown at the FAA that the reg
>> implementation has been delayed. The last email I received from her was
>> that the rules were going into effect and received an updated copy which
>> I posted on the RocketsNW server. Is it possible that the FAA has not
>> been notified of the delay? Is it safe to assume that if I and others
>> have not been directly contacted about the delay by the FAA that we
>> could go ahead and fly under the new regs?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> http://www.rocketryplanet.com/content/view/2740/29/
>> New FAA regulations now in effect
>>
>> Industry News by Planet News
>> Tuesday, February 03, 2009
>>
>> WORLD WIDE WEB - The New U.S. Federal Aviation Administration ruling
>> regarding hobby rocketry went into effect yesterday, reducing the
>> notification requirements for most hobby rocketry enthusiasts
>> nationwide. The new ruling was published in the Federal Register on
>> December 4, 2008 with an effective date of February 2, 2009.
>>
>> The new ruling merged two previous classifications of model rocketry,
>> model and large model rockets, into one class, identified as Class 1
>> Model Rockets. This class, defined at 14 CFR 101.22(a), identifies a
>> Class 1 Model Rocket as an amateur rocket that uses a slow-burning
>> propellant, is made of paper, wood or breakable plastic, contains no
>> substantial metal parts, and weighs no more than 1,500 grams, or 53
>> ounces, including propellant.
>>
>> The old rules for large model rockets, requiring notification of the
>> FAA, no longer apply as long as the operating limitations of 14 CFR
>> 101.23 are followed:
>>
>>    * Is launched on a suborbital trajectory;
>>    * When launched, must not cross into the territory of a foreign
>>      country unless an agreement is in place between the United States
>>      and the country of concern;
>>    * Is unmanned; and
>>    * Does not create a hazard to persons, property, or other aircraft.
>>
>> The FAA may specify additional operating limitations necessary to ensure
>> that air traffic is not adversely affected, and public safety is not
>> jeopardized.
>>
>> For enthusiasts that participate in high power rocketry, the new FAA
>> Class 2 category provides for those rockets which operate with up to
>> 40,960 N-s of total impulse, or what is considered an "O" impulse motor.
>> In addition to the considerations above, Class 2 rockets must also
>> operate under these considerations:
>>
>>    * In addition, you must not operate a Class 2 High Power Rocket
>>    * At any altitude where clouds or obscuring phenomena of more than
>>      five tenths coverage prevails;
>>    * At any altitude where the horizontal visibility is less than five
>>      miles;
>>    * Into any cloud;
>>    * Between sunset and sunrise without prior authorization from the FAA;
>>    * Within 8 kilometers (5 statute miles) of any airport boundary
>>      without prior authorization from the FAA;
>>    * In controlled airspace without prior authorization from the FAA;
>>    * Unless you observe the greater of the following separation
>>      distances from any person or property that is not associated with
>>      the operations applies:
>>      i. Not less than one quarter the maximum expected altitude;
>>      ii. 457 meters (1,500 ft.);
>>    * Unless a person at least eighteen years old is present, is charged
>>      with ensuring the safety of the operation, and has final approval
>>      authority for initiating high power rocket flight; and
>>    * Unless reasonable precautions are provided to report and control a
>>      fire caused by rocket activities.
>>
>> To assist their members with FAA waivers, the National Association of
>> Rocketry has prepared a page on their website to assist with waiver
>> application filings. You can read more about this at:
>> http://www.nar.org/cabinet/waiverinst.html.
>>
>> Two other classes also become effective: a Class 3 Advanced High Power
>> rocket class, which includes any amatuer rocket that exceeds 40,960 N-s
>> of total impulse, and a Class 4 Other category which includes any
>> unmanned rocket that is not an amateur rocket. The new Class 3 is the
>> most controversial new classification for hobby enthusiasts, in that all
>> Class 3 flights have to apply for their own FAA waivers individually,
>> making it much more difficult for participants of these larger amateur
>> rockets to get past the regulatory red tape.
>>
>>
>>
>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>     
>>> Correction:
>>>
>>> The change of regs got put on delay for ninety days (sixty?  I can't
>>> remember...we went over it at the WAC meeting last month) by the new
>>> administration along with all of the last minute changes made by the
>>> previous administration.  According to NAR and Tripoli, we are still
>>> forced to operate under the old regs until the cooling off period ends
>>> and the administration decides not to quash the change.
>>>
>>> Sigh of discontent...
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer
>>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:08 AM
>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>
>>> Since the FAR regs changed on 2FEB09 there is no need to contact the FAA
>>> or the Sea-Tac Approach Control center.  Just keep the rockets under 3.3
>>> lbs. with motors under 62.5 grams of propellant while staying under
>>> 3,000 feet MSL which is where the Class B airspace shelf starts.
>>>
>>> Who else is planning to come out to the launch?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> We have three teams.  I have no idea how many of them from each team
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> will be able to make it, but with any luck we'll have representatives of
>>> all three groups and enough motors to keep them flying for a while.
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Do you plan to call Sea-Tac approach so we have a legal FAR 101
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> notification, or should I?  The TARC rockets flirt with 1 pound and I
>>> make it a policy to be safe rather than sorry.
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Pete
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>>> Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 9:46 PM
>>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe next year you could bring some green beer and some Romulan Ale.
>>>>
>>>> Bring the TARCers out and let's see what they can do!  How many are
>>>> planning to attend from your group?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Last time I tried to make green beer it didn't go so well.  Oh...wait
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> a second...that was when I was trying to make blue beer (Romulan Ale).
>>> Now that I check my notebook, Green beer actually works fairly well.
>>>
>>>       
>>>>> Too bad there isn't enough time to brew a batch, ferment it, and let
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> it carbonate between now and then.
>>>
>>>       
>>>>> I may be able to get some of my kids out there for the launch with
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> their TARC vehicles.  They'll need the practice and if they're in really
>>> good form maybe they'll have the opportunity to sneak in a qualification
>>> flight or two.
>>>
>>>       
>>>>> Peter Schurke
>>>>> Teacher and Lead Advisor
>>>>> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>>>>> Ingraham High School
>>>>> Seattle, WA
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
>>>>> Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 10:35 PM
>>>>> To: NW Rocketry mailing list
>>>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap launch
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It could be a long name like...
>>>>>
>>>>> The Leapin' Leprechaun who lept from the March Mudness and stole my
>>>>> Green Thunder during a Wet and Windy Ides of March  launch.  LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I'll keep it simple instead and just call it the Leprechaun's
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>       
>>>>> Leap launch.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will be held on Sunday,15MAR09 on the north field of 60 Acres park
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>       
>>>>> with a start time of 10:00AM and end around 2:00PM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't forget to bring your boots or galoshes for the mudness that
>>>>> might be present.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is bringing the green beer and the green rockets?
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> How about March Mudness?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "James Stewart" <je_stewart at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> It may be a bit nerdy and isn't any kind of a pun, but how about
>>>>>>> 'The Ides of March'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: "Krausert, Robert" <robert.krausert at intel.com>
>>>>>>> To: Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>; Bill Munds <appusher at q.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:29:28 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suggestion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "March 60 in 60 Madness"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will have March Madness (College Ball) happening. And 60 flights
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>       
>>>>>>> in 60 Acres Park. So "March 60 in 60 Madness'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:16 AM
>>>>>>> To: Bill Munds
>>>>>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since St Patrick's day is two days after the launch, I propose:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Leapin' Leprechaun Launch"
>>>>>>> "Green Thunder"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill Munds <appusher at q.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> How about    WET AND WINDY
>>>>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood
>>>>>>>> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>       
>>>>>>>> GREATER GOOD Join me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:45 -0800
>>>>>>>>> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We've had three successful launches so far with Frost and Fire in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>       
>>>>>>>>> December, Frozen Thunder in January, and Thawed Out Thunder for
>>>>>>>>> February. Dave Randall has done a great job bringing out his GSE
>>>>>>>>> to help make each launch a great one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There will be a launch next month on 15MAR09 from 1000-1400, but
>>>>>>>>> no name has been given it. Any one with suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to go to this launch since there are really so few
>>>>>>>>>> opportunities in the Seattle area but scheduling conflicts
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> interfered.
>>>
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> So, what's this about a launch next month? Has one been
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> scheduled?
>>>
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>>>>>>> je_stewart at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>> james_stewart at urscorp.com
>>>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>>> Dave Randall <dmrandall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>>> NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent:
>>>>>>>>>> Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>>>>> [RocketsNW] Thawed Out Thunder Launch Report Thanks to the
>>>>>>>>>> fantastic weather, launching was wonderful for Thawed Out
>>>>>>>>>> Thunder 2009.
>>>>>>>>>> After arriving at 10 and setting up on field, Mike and his kids
>>>>>>>>>> showed up with a few rockets, then Scott came with a few models
>>>>>>>>>> to fly. Brad and Red were close behind as well as Dave from PSP
>>>>>>>>>> (all three were sans rockets however). George came a bit later
>>>>>>>>>> with a box o'rockets as well as some other flyers and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> spectators.
>>>
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> All flights were successful - no catostrophic failures (although
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> George did pop out a motor mount). Recovery was almost always
>>>>>>>>>> on-field with a few floating over to the road or the ditches.
>>>>>>>>>> Scott got the "closest to the pad" landing with his snitch that
>>>>>>>>>> drifted back and landed about 6' from the pad. I think we had
>>>>>>>>>> about 25-30 total launches including a few others on the field
>>>>>>>>>> that were not in our immediate group. Motors ranged from B - F.
>>>>>>>>>> A few AP motors were flown, mostly BP though.
>>>>>>>>>> I posted my pictures here:
>>>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/7417204_JpnJU
>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to next month's launch!
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> - Dave
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From appusher at q.com  Fri Mar 20 11:57:45 2009
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:57:45 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] 100,000 Ft. for under $150USD
In-Reply-To: <E77FF689270645CC9AED3575D4F26C21@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
References: <E77FF689270645CC9AED3575D4F26C21@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <BLU145-W407208C0F66DFB46ADAFDCDC970@phx.gbl>


Pretty incredible for 18 to 19 year olds.   All the more reason to bring up the youth behind us to continue on into the future.

 

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> From: christopher.doll at verizon.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:02:25 -0700
> Subject: [RocketsNW] 100,000 Ft. for under $150USD
> 
> This is why it's so cool to live in the future. Here's what you can do with an $80 digital camera and $60 worth of latex balloons
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5005022/Teens-capture-images-of-space-with-56-camera-and-balloon.html
> 
> Christopher Doll
> http://www.rendezvous-design.com
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Pretty incredible for 18 to 19 year olds.?? All the more reason to bring up the youth behind us to continue on into the future.
?
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> From: christopher.doll at verizon.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:02:25 -0700
> Subject: [RocketsNW] 100,000 Ft. for under $150USD
>
> This is why it's so cool to live in the future. Here's what you can do with an $80 digital camera and $60 worth of latex balloons
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5005022/Teens-capture-images-of-space-with-56-camera-and-balloon.html
>
> Christopher Doll
> http://www.rendezvous-design.com

From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 20 12:03:15 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:03:15 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
In-Reply-To: <004501c9a981$8b35bd40$a1a137c0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
References: <8CB772B8D5F4878-D50-1BBC@webmail-dh02.sysops.aol.com>
	<004501c9a981$8b35bd40$a1a137c0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <49C3E873.1000307@earthlink.net>

Be careful mixing alcohols in the stomach.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgpZVCLsMTs

Robert

Michael Dennis wrote:
> Beer and Scotch and Tequila (in the evenings of course) will be flowing
> around our section, especially after a successful flight of U4EA!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
>
> Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll be
> flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few J-350's in
> some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's
>
> Did someone say Beer??
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 20 12:05:42 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:05:42 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D965@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <4B1E70F1-90F4-4898-8CE2-03F3BE77C681@mimectl>	<308364925.922131237566629434.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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I heard on KOMO AM1000 radio that we might have some sun breaks on 
Sunday.  Wunderground has a 30 percent chance of rain posted on their 
website.

Robert

Schurke, Peter wrote:
> Last I'd heard the plan was still tentatively in place for a launch--Barring the arrival of a monsoon.   1000 to 1400 PDT.
>
>  My students and I are watching the weather with a careful eye.  If it's at all close to flyable, we'll be out there.  Time is growing short for TARC qualification and the weather has not exactly been cooperating with us....
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of bwhitemarsh at comcast.net
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:30 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if there are plans for a launch this weekend at 60 acres?  I know there was some talk about postponing last week's launch to this Sunday.  Weather should be a little bit better for a launch this weekend.  Just wanting to see if it's worth making the trek up to Redmond. 
>
>
>
> Bryan
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 20 12:10:20 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:10:20 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D965@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <4B1E70F1-90F4-4898-8CE2-03F3BE77C681@mimectl>	<308364925.922131237566629434.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <49C3EA1C.3090606@earthlink.net>

Do I need to send an email to the FAA for any class 2 rockets being flown?

Robert

Schurke, Peter wrote:
> Last I'd heard the plan was still tentatively in place for a launch--Barring the arrival of a monsoon.   1000 to 1400 PDT.
>
>  My students and I are watching the weather with a careful eye.  If it's at all close to flyable, we'll be out there.  Time is growing short for TARC qualification and the weather has not exactly been cooperating with us....
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of bwhitemarsh at comcast.net
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:30 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres Launch this weekend?
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if there are plans for a launch this weekend at 60 acres?  I know there was some talk about postponing last week's launch to this Sunday.  Weather should be a little bit better for a launch this weekend.  Just wanting to see if it's worth making the trek up to Redmond. 
>
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Fri Mar 20 12:10:29 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:10:29 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] 100,000 Ft. for under $150USD
In-Reply-To: <BLU145-W407208C0F66DFB46ADAFDCDC970@phx.gbl>
References: <E77FF689270645CC9AED3575D4F26C21@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
	<BLU145-W407208C0F66DFB46ADAFDCDC970@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <25791B61145145EA8FEEF30B76118386@Mobile2>

Very cool! 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Bill Munds
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 11:58 AM
To: christopher.doll at verizon.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 100,000 Ft. for under $150USD


Pretty incredible for 18 to 19 year olds.   All the more reason to bring up
the youth behind us to continue on into the future.

 

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> From: christopher.doll at verizon.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:02:25 -0700
> Subject: [RocketsNW] 100,000 Ft. for under $150USD
> 
> This is why it's so cool to live in the future. Here's what you can do 
> with an $80 digital camera and $60 worth of latex balloons
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5005022/Teens-
> capture-images-of-space-with-56-camera-and-balloon.html
> 
> Christopher Doll
> http://www.rendezvous-design.com


From Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 12:48:43 2009
From: Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net (Michael Dennis)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:48:43 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
Message-ID: <008b01c9a994$e0496490$a0dc2db0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>

I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
rings, seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.

 

Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
source for creating custom CRs?  We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
main airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
someone that could make 'em to order.

 

Thanks much,

Michael and the U4EA team

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I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering rings, seems I???m late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago???
?
Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive) source for creating custom CRs? We???re looking for approximate 12??? diameter main airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted. I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to someone that could make ???em to order.
?
Thanks much,
Michael and the U4EA team

From greg at blastzone.com  Fri Mar 20 12:53:23 2009
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:53:23 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
In-Reply-To: <008b01c9a994$e0496490$a0dc2db0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
References: <008b01c9a994$e0496490$a0dc2db0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0de401c9a995$8748db90$95da92b0$@com>

Your central motor is too small.....  ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Michael Dennis
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> 
> I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
rings,
> seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
source
> for creating custom CRs?  We're looking for approximate 12" diameter main
> airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
> I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
> someone that could make 'em to order.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Michael and the U4EA team



From Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 13:02:53 2009
From: Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net (Michael Dennis)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:02:53 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
In-Reply-To: <0de401c9a995$8748db90$95da92b0$@com>
References: <008b01c9a994$e0496490$a0dc2db0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
	<0de401c9a995$8748db90$95da92b0$@com>
Message-ID: <009701c9a996$db747200$925d5600$@Dennis42@comcast.net>

LOL, well it will take Brad's "N"...

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:53 PM
To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???

Your central motor is too small.....  ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Michael Dennis
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> 
> I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
rings,
> seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
source
> for creating custom CRs?  We're looking for approximate 12" diameter main
> airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
> I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
> someone that could make 'em to order.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Michael and the U4EA team



From greg at blastzone.com  Fri Mar 20 13:05:49 2009
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:05:49 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
In-Reply-To: <009701c9a996$db747200$925d5600$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
References: <008b01c9a994$e0496490$a0dc2db0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
	<0de401c9a995$8748db90$95da92b0$@com>
	<009701c9a996$db747200$925d5600$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0dfb01c9a997$440390d0$cc0ab270$@com>

But seriously.  Put in a 114mm or 152mm if you have the room, and adapt
down.  Seriously.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Dennis [mailto:Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM
> To: 'Greg Deputy'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> 
> LOL, well it will take Brad's "N"...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:53 PM
> To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> 
> Your central motor is too small.....  ;)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Michael Dennis
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> >
> > I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
> rings,
> > seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
> source
> > for creating custom CRs?  We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
main
> > airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
> > I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
> > someone that could make 'em to order.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > Michael and the U4EA team



From scott at scottsrockets.com  Fri Mar 20 13:10:56 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:10:56 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
In-Reply-To: <0dfb01c9a997$440390d0$cc0ab270$@com>
References: <008b01c9a994$e0496490$a0dc2db0$@Dennis42@comcast.net><0de401c9a995$8748db90$95da92b0$@com><009701c9a996$db747200$925d5600$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
	<0dfb01c9a997$440390d0$cc0ab270$@com>
Message-ID: <D6F9631F389C434EA652B6E81CD0C246@Mobile2>

I second that, no one looks at their rocket later and says, "Geeze, wish I
had put a smaller mound in it". 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Deputy
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:06 PM
To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???

But seriously.  Put in a 114mm or 152mm if you have the room, and adapt
down.  Seriously.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Dennis [mailto:Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM
> To: 'Greg Deputy'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> 
> LOL, well it will take Brad's "N"...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:53 PM
> To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> 
> Your central motor is too small.....  ;)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Michael Dennis
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> >
> > I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom 
> > centering
> rings,
> > seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively 
> > inexpensive)
> source
> > for creating custom CRs?  We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
main
> > airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
> > I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work 
> > to someone that could make 'em to order.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > Michael and the U4EA team


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From aaronfogg at gmail.com  Fri Mar 20 13:12:46 2009
From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:12:46 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
In-Reply-To: <0dfb01c9a997$440390d0$cc0ab270$@com>
References: <0de401c9a995$8748db90$95da92b0$@com>
	<0dfb01c9a997$440390d0$cc0ab270$@com>
Message-ID: <e1e3ba0b0903201312k657852f2p5207b1da87b98b07@mail.gmail.com>

I can do laser cut rings here on the C02 laser, canted cuts are out of the
question though.


Aaron

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Greg Deputy <greg at blastzone.com> wrote:

> But seriously.  Put in a 114mm or 152mm if you have the room, and adapt
> down.  Seriously.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Dennis [mailto:Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net]
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM
> > To: 'Greg Deputy'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> >
> > LOL, well it will take Brad's "N"...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:53 PM
> > To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> >
> > Your central motor is too small.....  ;)
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Michael Dennis
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
> > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > > Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> > >
> > > I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
> > rings,
> > > seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
> > source
> > > for creating custom CRs?  We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
> main
> > > airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
> > > I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
> > > someone that could make 'em to order.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks much,
> > >
> > > Michael and the U4EA team
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Aaron
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Greg Deputy
< mailto:greg at blastzone.com greg at blastzone.com
>
wrote:
But seriously. ?Put in a 114mm or 152mm if you have the room, and adapt
down. ?Seriously.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Dennis [mailto: mailto:Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net
]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM
> To: 'Greg Deputy'; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>
> LOL, well it will take Brad's "N"...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Deputy [mailto: mailto:greg at blastzone.com greg at blastzone.com
]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:53 PM
> To: 'Michael Dennis'; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>
> Your central motor is too small..... ?;)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
]
> On
> > Behalf Of Michael Dennis
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
> > To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> >
> > I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
> rings,
> > seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
> source
> > for creating custom CRs? ?We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
main
> > airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
> > I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
> > someone that could make 'em to order.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > Michael and the U4EA team
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From Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 13:24:46 2009
From: Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net (Michael Dennis)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:24:46 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
In-Reply-To: <0dfb01c9a997$440390d0$cc0ab270$@com>
References: <008b01c9a994$e0496490$a0dc2db0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
	<0de401c9a995$8748db90$95da92b0$@com>
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	<0dfb01c9a997$440390d0$cc0ab270$@com>
Message-ID: <00a401c9a999$ea766d50$bf6347f0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>

But, we're looking to use that extra space to allow for the canting of the
outboard 54's.  Our goal is actually low and slow and show!  :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:06 PM
To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???

But seriously.  Put in a 114mm or 152mm if you have the room, and adapt
down.  Seriously.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Dennis [mailto:Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM
> To: 'Greg Deputy'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> 
> LOL, well it will take Brad's "N"...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:53 PM
> To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> 
> Your central motor is too small.....  ;)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Michael Dennis
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> >
> > I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
> rings,
> > seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
> source
> > for creating custom CRs?  We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
main
> > airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
> > I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
> > someone that could make 'em to order.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > Michael and the U4EA team



From greg at blastzone.com  Fri Mar 20 13:59:48 2009
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:59:48 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
In-Reply-To: <00a401c9a999$ea766d50$bf6347f0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
References: <008b01c9a994$e0496490$a0dc2db0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
	<0de401c9a995$8748db90$95da92b0$@com>
	<009701c9a996$db747200$925d5600$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
	<0dfb01c9a997$440390d0$cc0ab270$@com>
	<00a401c9a999$ea766d50$bf6347f0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0e2501c9a99e$ce508480$6af18d80$@com>

Fair enough.  Like I said 'if you have the room.'  If not, ok.  I ridicule
people who make big diameter rockets with small diameter MMT's with dead
space around them.  They deserve it.  :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Dennis [mailto:Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:25 PM
> To: 'Greg Deputy'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> 
> But, we're looking to use that extra space to allow for the canting of the
> outboard 54's.  Our goal is actually low and slow and show!  :-)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:06 PM
> To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> 
> But seriously.  Put in a 114mm or 152mm if you have the room, and adapt
> down.  Seriously.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Dennis [mailto:Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net]
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM
> > To: 'Greg Deputy'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> >
> > LOL, well it will take Brad's "N"...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:53 PM
> > To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> >
> > Your central motor is too small.....  ;)
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Michael Dennis
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
> > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > > Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> > >
> > > I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom
centering
> > rings,
> > > seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
> > source
> > > for creating custom CRs?  We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
> main
> > > airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
> > > I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work
to
> > > someone that could make 'em to order.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks much,
> > >
> > > Michael and the U4EA team



From fred.azinger at intel.com  Fri Mar 20 14:08:27 2009
From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:08:27 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Attn EX'ers .... Older 30Qt on CL -- $500
Message-ID: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB467F8DB3@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bfs/1083968664.html

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From Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 14:22:08 2009
From: Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net (Michael Dennis)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:22:08 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
In-Reply-To: <e1e3ba0b0903201312k657852f2p5207b1da87b98b07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0de401c9a995$8748db90$95da92b0$@com>	
	<0dfb01c9a997$440390d0$cc0ab270$@com>
	<e1e3ba0b0903201312k657852f2p5207b1da87b98b07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00bc01c9a9a1$eda1c300$c8e54900$@Dennis42@comcast.net>

I'll send you a email off list, thanks.

 

From: Aaron Fogg [mailto:aaronfogg at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:13 PM
To: Greg Deputy
Cc: Michael Dennis; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???

 

I can do laser cut rings here on the C02 laser, canted cuts are out of the
question though.


Aaron

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Greg Deputy <greg at blastzone.com> wrote:

But seriously.  Put in a 114mm or 152mm if you have the room, and adapt
down.  Seriously.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Dennis [mailto:Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM
> To: 'Greg Deputy'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>

> LOL, well it will take Brad's "N"...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:53 PM
> To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>

> Your central motor is too small.....  ;)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Michael Dennis
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> >
> > I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
> rings,
> > seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
> source
> > for creating custom CRs?  We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
main
> > airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
> > I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
> > someone that could make 'em to order.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > Michael and the U4EA team


_______________________________________________
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http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets

 

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I???ll send you a email off list, thanks.
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From:
Aaron Fogg [mailto:aaronfogg at gmail.com]
Sent:
Friday, March 20, 2009 1:13 PM
To:
Greg Deputy
Cc:
Michael Dennis; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject:
Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
?
I can do laser cut rings here on the C02 laser, canted cuts are out of the question though.
Aaron
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Greg Deputy < mailto:greg at blastzone.com greg at blastzone.com
> wrote:
But seriously. ?Put in a 114mm or 152mm if you have the room, and adapt
down. ?Seriously.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Dennis [mailto: mailto:Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net
]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM
> To: 'Greg Deputy'; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>
> LOL, well it will take Brad's "N"...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Deputy [mailto: mailto:greg at blastzone.com greg at blastzone.com
]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:53 PM
> To: 'Michael Dennis'; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>
> Your central motor is too small..... ?;)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
]
> On
> > Behalf Of Michael Dennis
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
> > To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> >
> > I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
> rings,
> > seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
> source
> > for creating custom CRs? ?We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
main
> > airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
> > I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
> > someone that could make 'em to order.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > Michael and the U4EA team
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From fred.azinger at intel.com  Fri Mar 20 14:36:07 2009
From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:36:07 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c9a9a1$eda1c300$c8e54900$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
References: <0de401c9a995$8748db90$95da92b0$@com>
	<0dfb01c9a997$440390d0$cc0ab270$@com>
	<e1e3ba0b0903201312k657852f2p5207b1da87b98b07@mail.gmail.com>
	<00bc01c9a9a1$eda1c300$c8e54900$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB467F8DF6@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>

Having a source for cluster rings would be great!

Single-hole rings are too easily done with a router to bother.

I can make a double-step (stepped ID and OD) ring with a EBay/NC cap recovered from the center in less than 5 minutes....
For instance, I'm building a Intimidator-5 that needs 8 custom rings...only the two EBay caps are alike.
Total cutting time for the 8 rings and 8 "free" interior caps was well within an hour, start to cleanup.

It would take me nearly that long to package up some stock parts and make a round-trip to the USPO to ship.....
 

BTW: canting those few degrees won't change the thrust that much .... Unless the 54's are really short, you'll only have a few degrees of cant and thus only a few percent decrease in thrust...  IMHO, The only real reason to cant is stability in the case of non-uniform thrust or to create spin.  Gotta ask if the added complexity is worth it.



-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Michael Dennis
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:22 PM
To: 'Aaron Fogg'; 'Greg Deputy'
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???

I'll send you a email off list, thanks.

 

From: Aaron Fogg [mailto:aaronfogg at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:13 PM
To: Greg Deputy
Cc: Michael Dennis; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???

 

I can do laser cut rings here on the C02 laser, canted cuts are out of the
question though.


Aaron

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Greg Deputy <greg at blastzone.com> wrote:

But seriously.  Put in a 114mm or 152mm if you have the room, and adapt
down.  Seriously.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Dennis [mailto:Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM
> To: 'Greg Deputy'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>

> LOL, well it will take Brad's "N"...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:53 PM
> To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>

> Your central motor is too small.....  ;)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Michael Dennis
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> >
> > I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
> rings,
> > seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
> source
> > for creating custom CRs?  We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
main
> > airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
> > I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
> > someone that could make 'em to order.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > Michael and the U4EA team


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From appusher at q.com  Fri Mar 20 16:15:12 2009
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:15:12 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
In-Reply-To: <008b01c9a994$e0496490$a0dc2db0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
References: <008b01c9a994$e0496490$a0dc2db0$@Dennis42@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BLU145-W186C99291BBB675CC669E5DC970@phx.gbl>


Mike Fisher does them.  Top quality stuff.









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> From: Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:48:43 -0700
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
> 
> I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
> rings, seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
> source for creating custom CRs? We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
> main airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
> I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
> someone that could make 'em to order.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Michael and the U4EA team
> 
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> From: Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:48:43 -0700
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>
> I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
> rings, seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
>
>
>
> Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
> source for creating custom CRs? We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
> main airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
> I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
> someone that could make 'em to order.
>
>
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Michael and the U4EA team
>

From kent.newman at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 19:46:24 2009
From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:46:24 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] WAC "Spring Tune-up" Launch- April 25-26th
Message-ID: <000001c9a9cf$3a2ef490$ae8cddb0$@newman@comcast.net>

Greetings all!

 

While you peruse the more recent legal decisions being bandied about and you
ponder what progress has been made on that laundry list of rocketry projects
to be completed before FITS, be sure to pencil in the first WAC launch of
the season over the April 25-26th weekend in Mansfield.  It's time to work
out the bugs, grease the motors and refresh one's mind on altimeter prep.
Dip those igniters, fold those chutes and test those BP charges, boys and
girls.  The flying season is upon us!

 

Note a venue change from the Sportsmen's Club (original schedule) to the
Snell Ranch about 10 miles east of Mansfield.  The waiver is 25K' with a
very open recovery area.  An area for camping was cleared last fall and
should still be in good shape for use this spring.

 

Your master of ceremonies this year will be the inimitable Mark Lyons, star
of "Put 'Um Fast And Bring 'Em Down Faster"!  Mark will handle FAA waiver
authorization, delicate points of contention on the flight safety of a 2
liter coke bottle on a G80 and any runway model contests.

 

Do know that we will be asking for launch fees and NAR/TRA membership at
this launch.  If you're going to FITS, get your WAC membership now (it's a
good deal) and you and your family will be set to fly at any WAC launch all
season (http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/documents.php).  Directions to
the Snell Ranch may be found at the WAC site under "Launches".  GPS
coordinates are listed.

 

This launch truly is a "tune-up" event prior to FITS.  You'll see a new PA
system getting the kinks worked out, new mid-power pads being tested and a
formidable karaoke team putting together a playlist for late nights in May.
Puget Sound Propulsion will be there in their APCP glory so get your
requests in to Bill and Dave (http://www.pugetsoundpropulsion.com/).

 

Peace out...

 

Kent Newman

Washington Aerospace

 

 

 

 

 

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Greetings all!
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While you peruse the more recent legal decisions being bandied about and you ponder what progress has been made on that laundry list of rocketry projects to be completed before FITS, be sure to pencil in the first WAC launch of the season over the April 25-26
th
weekend in Mansfield. It???s time to work out the bugs, grease the motors and refresh one???s mind on altimeter prep. Dip those igniters, fold those chutes and test those BP charges, boys and girls. The flying season is upon us!
?
Note a venue change from the Sportsmen???s Club (original schedule) to the Snell Ranch about 10 miles east of Mansfield. The waiver is 25K??? with a very open recovery area. An area for camping was cleared last fall and should still be in good shape for use this spring.
?
Your master of ceremonies this year will be the inimitable Mark Lyons, star of ???Put ???Um Fast And Bring ???Em Down Faster???! Mark will handle FAA waiver authorization, delicate points of contention on the flight safety of a 2 liter coke bottle on a G80 and any runway model contests.
?
Do know that we will be asking for launch fees and NAR/TRA membership at this launch. If you???re going to FITS, get your WAC membership now (it???s a good deal) and you and your family will be set to fly at any WAC launch all season ( http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/documents.php http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/documents.php
). Directions to the Snell Ranch may be found at the WAC site under ???Launches???. GPS coordinates are listed.
?
This launch truly is a ???tune-up??? event prior to FITS. You???ll see a new PA system getting the kinks worked out, new mid-power pads being tested and a formidable karaoke team putting together a playlist for late nights in May. Puget Sound Propulsion will be there in their APCP glory so get your requests in to Bill and Dave ( http://www.pugetsoundpropulsion.com/ http://www.pugetsoundpropulsion.com/
).
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Peace out???..
?
Kent Newman
Washington Aerospace
?
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From dmrandall at gmail.com  Fri Mar 20 20:20:26 2009
From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:20:26 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
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References: <0de401c9a995$8748db90$95da92b0$@com>
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The cant in the 54's are actually for show more than anything.  We're
wanting to push more smoke out and away from the central blast.

Dave

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Azinger, Fred <fred.azinger at intel.com> wrote:
> Having a source for cluster rings would be great!
>
> Single-hole rings are too easily done with a router to bother.
>
> I can make a double-step (stepped ID and OD) ring with a EBay/NC cap recovered from the center in less than 5 minutes....
> For instance, I'm building a Intimidator-5 that needs 8 custom rings...only the two EBay caps are alike.
> Total cutting time for the 8 rings and 8 "free" interior caps was well within an hour, start to cleanup.
>
> It would take me nearly that long to package up some stock parts and make a round-trip to the USPO to ship.....
>
>
> BTW: canting those few degrees won't change the thrust that much .... Unless the 54's are really short, you'll only have a few degrees of cant and thus only a few percent decrease in thrust... ?IMHO, The only real reason to cant is stability in the case of non-uniform thrust or to create spin. ?Gotta ask if the added complexity is worth it.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Michael Dennis
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:22 PM
> To: 'Aaron Fogg'; 'Greg Deputy'
> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>
> I'll send you a email off list, thanks.
>
>
>
> From: Aaron Fogg [mailto:aaronfogg at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:13 PM
> To: Greg Deputy
> Cc: Michael Dennis; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>
>
>
> I can do laser cut rings here on the C02 laser, canted cuts are out of the
> question though.
>
>
> Aaron
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Greg Deputy <greg at blastzone.com> wrote:
>
> But seriously. ?Put in a 114mm or 152mm if you have the room, and adapt
> down. ?Seriously.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Dennis [mailto:Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM
>> To: 'Greg Deputy'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>>
>
>> LOL, well it will take Brad's "N"...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com]
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:53 PM
>> To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>>
>
>> Your central motor is too small..... ?;)
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On
>> > Behalf Of Michael Dennis
>> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
>> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>> >
>> > I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
>> rings,
>> > seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
>> source
>> > for creating custom CRs? ?We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
> main
>> > airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
>> > I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
>> > someone that could make 'em to order.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks much,
>> >
>> > Michael and the U4EA team
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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>
>
>
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- Dave

From dennys at carnitech.net  Fri Mar 20 20:40:35 2009
From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:40:35 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40903202020n2551887cs793d4a8aa0f204bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0de401c9a995$8748db90$95da92b0$@com>
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Zinc?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 20, 2009, at 8:20 PM, "Dave Randall" <dmrandall at gmail.com> wrote:

> The cant in the 54's are actually for show more than anything.  We're
> wanting to push more smoke out and away from the central blast.
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Azinger, Fred  
> <fred.azinger at intel.com> wrote:
>> Having a source for cluster rings would be great!
>>
>> Single-hole rings are too easily done with a router to bother.
>>
>> I can make a double-step (stepped ID and OD) ring with a EBay/NC  
>> cap recovered from the center in less than 5 minutes....
>> For instance, I'm building a Intimidator-5 that needs 8 custom  
>> rings...only the two EBay caps are alike.
>> Total cutting time for the 8 rings and 8 "free" interior caps was  
>> well within an hour, start to cleanup.
>>
>> It would take me nearly that long to package up some stock parts  
>> and make a round-trip to the USPO to ship.....
>>
>>
>> BTW: canting those few degrees won't change the thrust that  
>> much .... Unless the 54's are really short, you'll only have a few  
>> degrees of cant and thus only a few percent decrease in thrust...   
>> IMHO, The only real reason to cant is stability in the case of non- 
>> uniform thrust or to create spin.  Gotta ask if the added  
>> complexity is worth it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Michael Dennis
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:22 PM
>> To: 'Aaron Fogg'; 'Greg Deputy'
>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>>
>> I'll send you a email off list, thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Aaron Fogg [mailto:aaronfogg at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:13 PM
>> To: Greg Deputy
>> Cc: Michael Dennis; rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>>
>>
>>
>> I can do laser cut rings here on the C02 laser, canted cuts are out  
>> of the
>> question though.
>>
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Greg Deputy <greg at blastzone.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> But seriously.  Put in a 114mm or 152mm if you have the room, and  
>> adapt
>> down.  Seriously.
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Dennis [mailto:Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM
>>> To: 'Greg Deputy'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>>>
>>
>>> LOL, well it will take Brad's "N"...
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:53 PM
>>> To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>>>
>>
>>> Your central motor is too small.....  ;)
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Michael Dennis
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
>>>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>>>>
>>>> I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom  
>>>> centering
>>> rings,
>>>> seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively  
>>>> inexpensive)
>>> source
>>>> for creating custom CRs?  We're looking for approximate 12"  
>>>> diameter
>> main
>>>> airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be  
>>>> canted.
>>>> I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that  
>>>> work to
>>>> someone that could make 'em to order.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks much,
>>>>
>>>> Michael and the U4EA team
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Fri Mar 20 21:02:02 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:02:02 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
References: <0de401c9a995$8748db90$95da92b0$@com><0dfb01c9a997$440390d0$cc0ab270$@com><e1e3ba0b0903201312k657852f2p5207b1da87b98b07@mail.gmail.com><F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB467F8DF6@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<6bc920e40903202020n2551887cs793d4a8aa0f204bc@mail.gmail.com>
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Where upper and lower are vertcical, but wider at lowest ring versus upper 
rings? If that's the case, cool. You might still see a spin, if thrust and 
alignment (of MMT) are not really close. Makes a great effect.

If you're talking a canting of minor outward angle and minor vertical angle, 
then that should make for an interesting flight. Agree with Fred on the 
spin.

If you haven't seen it. There is a video shot of a cant design on two motor 
mounts for the rocket. Not a true cant, but you'll see the affects. Download 
LDRS 26 sample video from RocketsMagazine, scene is at 39 seconds. One motor 
didn't light BTW. You guess it.

Another video is LDRS 27 sample from RocketsMagazine. At 1:18 
minutes/seconds there is a Saturn series on multiple motors. Spinning. I 
cannot tell if the design or motors are causing the spin. Likely motors. 
They lost a lot of feet because of it.

I have never built what you're doing. I just hope these two video examples 
might help you.

Cheers,
Robert



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Randall" <dmrandall at gmail.com>
To: "Azinger, Fred" <fred.azinger at intel.com>
Cc: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???


The cant in the 54's are actually for show more than anything.  We're
wanting to push more smoke out and away from the central blast.

Dave

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Azinger, Fred <fred.azinger at intel.com> 
wrote:
> Having a source for cluster rings would be great!
>
> Single-hole rings are too easily done with a router to bother.
>
> I can make a double-step (stepped ID and OD) ring with a EBay/NC cap 
> recovered from the center in less than 5 minutes....
> For instance, I'm building a Intimidator-5 that needs 8 custom 
> rings...only the two EBay caps are alike.
> Total cutting time for the 8 rings and 8 "free" interior caps was well 
> within an hour, start to cleanup.
>
> It would take me nearly that long to package up some stock parts and make 
> a round-trip to the USPO to ship.....
>
>
> BTW: canting those few degrees won't change the thrust that much .... 
> Unless the 54's are really short, you'll only have a few degrees of cant 
> and thus only a few percent decrease in thrust... IMHO, The only real 
> reason to cant is stability in the case of non-uniform thrust or to create 
> spin. Gotta ask if the added complexity is worth it.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] 
> On Behalf Of Michael Dennis
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:22 PM
> To: 'Aaron Fogg'; 'Greg Deputy'
> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>
> I'll send you a email off list, thanks.
>
>
>
> From: Aaron Fogg [mailto:aaronfogg at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:13 PM
> To: Greg Deputy
> Cc: Michael Dennis; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>
>
>
> I can do laser cut rings here on the C02 laser, canted cuts are out of the
> question though.
>
>
> Aaron
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Greg Deputy <greg at blastzone.com> wrote:
>
> But seriously. Put in a 114mm or 152mm if you have the room, and adapt
> down. Seriously.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Dennis [mailto:Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM
>> To: 'Greg Deputy'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>>
>
>> LOL, well it will take Brad's "N"...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com]
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:53 PM
>> To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>>
>
>> Your central motor is too small..... ;)
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On
>> > Behalf Of Michael Dennis
>> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
>> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>> >
>> > I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
>> rings,
>> > seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
>> source
>> > for creating custom CRs? We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
> main
>> > airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
>> > I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
>> > someone that could make 'em to order.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks much,
>> >
>> > Michael and the U4EA team
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>
>
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>



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From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org  Fri Mar 20 21:12:11 2009
From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:12:11 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] new aerotech motor!
Message-ID: <a06240804c5ea198e2d9f@[10.0.1.78]>

ENJOY...

AeroTech Unveils New 24mm Single-Use Motor at NARCON 2009

AeroTech will announce its first new 24mm single-use motor since 2001, the
24 X 95mm Blue Thunder? F32T, on 3/20/09 during NARCON 2009 in Wethersfield,
CT (http://www.catorockets.org/NARCON2009/index.htm).

The F32T features an all-new molded phenolic casing with a built-in thrust
ring, a new molded plastic bulkhead and uses a specially-optimized version
of AeroTech's Blue Thunder propellant which delivers an astounding specific
impulse of 225 seconds! The F32T produces a beautiful translucent blue
exhaust plume with "mach diamonds" similar to the redesigned G80T. With a
propellant weight of only 25.8 grams, the F32T may be shipped via U.S. Mail
Parcel Post? with no hazmat fee. The F32T will be available in three time
delays: F32-4T (P/N 63204), F32-6T (P/N 63206) and F32-8T (P/N 63208)

The National Association of Rocketry (NAR) certified total impulse for the
F32T is 56.9 N-sec. The 225 second delivered Isp is the highest ever
recorded for a NAR-certified model rocket motor. Other statistics include a
burn time of 1.66 seconds, an average thrust of 34.1 newtons, peak thrust of
61.9 newtons, propellant mass of 25.8 grams and an initial mass of 65 grams.
It may be used interchangeably in kits designed for other 24 X 95mm motors
such as the black powder E9. The F32T has the same initial mass as the E9,
but delivers over twice the total impulse.

The F32T single-use motor will be available from AeroTech and its dealers at
an introductory retail price of $15.90 each. The 
F32T has already been approved by
the California Office of the State Fire Marshal (OSFM) for sale and use by
California consumers.

Motor instructions, the official NAR certification document and the OSFM
approval for the F32T will be available for download in PDF format from the
Resource Library on the AeroTech website at http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com
on 3/20/09.


Product Information Summary:

1. Product description and application: 24 X 95mm (.938" diameter X 3.75"
long) F32-4T, F32-6T, F32-8T composite propellant single-use model rocket
motors for use in model rocket kits designed for black powder 'E' motors

2. Category or target market: Mid-power model rocketry

3. Number of pieces or skill level (if applicable): Skill level 3

4. Age rating: 16 and above

5. Special features: One-piece molded case with built in aft thrust ring;
highest performance composite model rocket propellant ever certified; first
new 24mm single-use motor from AeroTech in 8 years; NAR certified; approved
for sale in California; USPS shippable; special low introductory price; Blue
Thunder? propellant

6. Three bullet points: Fits model rockets designed for E9 black powder
motors; same weight but over twice the power of the E9; stunning composite
propellant performance and visual and audible effects.
-------------- next part --------------
new aerotech motor!
ENJOY...
AeroTech Unveils New 24mm Single-Use Motor at NARCON 2009
AeroTech will announce its first new 24mm single-use motor since 2001, the
24 X 95mm Blue Thunder? F32T, on 3/20/09 during NARCON 2009 in Wethersfield,
CT (
http://www.catorockets.org/NARCON2009/index.htm).
The F32T features an all-new molded phenolic casing with a built-in thrust
ring, a new molded plastic bulkhead and uses a specially-optimized version
of AeroTech's Blue Thunder propellant which delivers an astounding specific
impulse of 225 seconds! The F32T produces a beautiful translucent blue
exhaust plume with "mach diamonds" similar to the redesigned G80T. With a
propellant weight of only 25.8 grams, the F32T may be shipped via U.S. Mail
Parcel Post? with no hazmat fee. The F32T will be available in three time
delays: F32-4T (P/N 63204), F32-6T (P/N 63206) and F32-8T (P/N 63208)
The National Association of Rocketry (NAR) certified total impulse for the
F32T is 56.9 N-sec. The 225 second delivered Isp is the highest ever
recorded for a NAR-certified model rocket motor. Other statistics include a
burn time of 1.66 seconds, an average thrust of 34.1 newtons, peak thrust of
61.9 newtons, propellant mass of 25.8 grams and an initial mass of 65 grams.
It may be used interchangeably in kits designed for other 24 X 95mm motors
such as the black powder E9. The F32T has the same initial mass as the E9,
but delivers over twice the total impulse.
The F32T single-use motor will be available from AeroTech and its dealers at
an introductory retail price of $15.90 each. The F32T has already been approved by
the California Office of the State Fire Marshal (OSFM) for sale and use by
California consumers.
Motor instructions, the official NAR certification document and the OSFM
approval for the F32T will be available for download in PDF format from the
Resource Library on the AeroTech website at
http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com
on 3/20/09.
Product Information Summary:
1. Product description and application: 24 X 95mm (.938" diameter X 3.75"
long) F32-4T, F32-6T, F32-8T composite propellant single-use model rocket
motors for use in model rocket kits designed for black powder 'E' motors
2. Category or target market: Mid-power model rocketry
3. Number of pieces or skill level (if applicable): Skill level 3
4. Age rating: 16 and above
5. Special features: One-piece molded case with built in aft thrust ring;
highest performance composite model rocket propellant ever certified; first
new 24mm single-use motor from AeroTech in 8 years; NAR certified; approved
for sale in California; USPS shippable; special low introductory price; Blue
Thunder? propellant
6. Three bullet points: Fits model rockets designed for E9 black powder
motors; same weight but over twice the power of the E9; stunning composite
propellant performance and visual and audible effects.

From bigrockets at verizon.net  Fri Mar 20 21:19:14 2009
From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:19:14 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Some paint stories
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Punch Drunk. Now there was a rocket paint party if ever there was one. You
folks shoulda seen Alex and Dave after sanding on that thing for a couple of
evenings. Alex looked someone had dipped him in flour. He had fiberglass
dust all over him.  That lasted until we got it into primer then it started
all over again on poor Alex. It was a fun and great time. We really sorta
had a vague idea about how we wanted to paint it. After I got the nose cone
done with blue marbelizer Alex was so taken with the way it looked that he
got this flash of brilliance and just told me to paint the entire rocket
this color. We did and had the name done in gold and black lettering I
think?  Help me out here Dave. 

Alex being the semi-impatient guy that he was, was sorta wishy washey about
me color sanding and polishing the clear coat like I wanted to do. I MADE
him let me do the nose cone so he could see what it looked like and he
flipped out!   I really enjoyed doing this rocket because Alex was so into
it and the way the paint came out.  It was fun, lots of joking, lots of
Pepsi cans, potato chip bags and wet sand paper all in my car port during
the first part of the summer.  

I miss Alex and his enthusiasm for the sport. I also enjoyed doing Adrian's
projects as well as Fred's L3 bird. That one had a strange story to it. Fred
told me he wanted to call it agent orange. So I knew we had to use orange in
it somewhere. Then I started thinking where the stuff was used, in the
jungle, so green because the other color. I wanted to balance the color
scheme out a bit because one fin was green I think and a panel down the
side?  Correct me if I'm wandering here Fred.  So I decided to put a green
marbelizer cap on the nose cone.  I shot BC 25  black on the tip of the cone
and brought it back 6 -8 inches I guess. Black base is standard on most
marbelizer colors. I got the marbelizer on it and was gonna break the
green/orange junction with some horizontal bands like Jeff Bennett's Animal
Instinct.  I brought the orange up close to the marbelizer then switched
over to an airbrush. I faded it into green and it hit me! It looked like the
rocket had flow right thru something orange! So I left it like that. Much to
my relief Fred liked it to. I think Fred's rocket is the only one I've ever
done with an asymmetrical paint job. 

Adrian and I sorta did a little experimenting on his L3 bird. I was unsure
of the candies at that time. We thought about using Orion Silver as a base,
for some reason we didn't go with that. Adrian liked the darker tone
afforded by Solar Gold base we used. The nice thing about the marblizers is
that they have pearl platelets in them that are highly reflective.  Once out
in the sunlight they sparkle like nobody's business. Adrian's rockets were
absolutely brilliant in the sun. Adrian is another person that delivers his
projects to me almost primer-ready.  

Then we have Jeff Bennett's Animal Instinct. Wow what a deal that was!  Jeff
told me to "use my imagination!"  That was daring on his part, but I like
the freedom of this. What fun it was too.
I found a leopard spot stencil up at my paint store! I  couldn't believe my
luck! I don't know how the colors came about except for the green because
the "jungle" thing came into it again. I used HOK  Organic Green Candy on
Jeff's bird.  I did the nosecone tip in green marbelizer. I did butt it up
to two horizontal bands one black and the other silver. I did the nose cone
in Organic Green Candy and below the AV section did a transition into Solar
Gold. The thing also had three panels of green marbelizer that went in
between the fins. For  you new folks that haven't seen Jeff's bird it's an
Ultimate Endeavor.  Jeff got some white vinyl lettering  "Animal Instinct."
Using this was a first for me. I'd never shot clear over this stuff so we
didn't know what the heck was gonna happen! For all I knew it might have
melted the plastic! When I sprayed the clear on it some funny stuff started
happening. The edges started lifting a little bit. There were some air
bubbles in it too. I was beside myself!  All that work!  All the paint went
on very well.  I've learned that when you've been banging your head into
something like this and run into the wall it's best to go get a Coke.  What
happened next is the reason I'm such an advocate of HOK stuff. The UFC-35
Flo Klear is just amazing. It has the properties of leveling itself  flatter
than the proverbial pancake. After my Coke and a smile I went back up to the
paint room. Much to my astonishment the clear had flatted the edges and air
bubbles to non existence! So I hit it with two more top coats and let it set
and cure for about 3 days. I went sanded it and applied three more clear
coats. I then buffed it and that's the story of  "Animal Instinct ." A fun
project and Jeff was great to work with too.

Then we come to Rick Clapp's Cherokee. Now this guy was a study in finding
pin holes! Wow. I sent Rick a picture of the booster after I had draw
circles around all the pin holes I had found after filling up all I thought
I had found!  This rocket was also an experiment in using dry pearls. Rick
was gracious enough to let me experiment on his L3 bird!  Because this
rocket was mostly white it was a prime candidate for trying some of these
nice pearls I got from Scott and Teresa at Quality Paints. Scott gave me a
whole slug of this stuff at a dirt cheap price.  We decided that because the
rocket had a lot of red on it that I should mix the red pearl into one coat
of the clear.  But first let me tell you about the forward roll pattern
decal that we did not put on!  When Rick pulled this thing out of the bag it
was crooked and dog-legged lookin thing. I just cringed at using it. It had
"user hostile" written all over it. Because I'm a painter I know things
about cocky vinyl decals. Rick and I tried for 30 minutes to get it on, and
it was an exercise in frustration and a new way of raising my anger level.
Finally I got pissed off and ripped it off the rocket much to Rick's
amazement. I told Rick I'd do it by hand. Yeah right Dave! Little did I
realize what I was in for. I spent one entire evening laying it out on the
forward airframe. But I did it and it came out pretty good. There was just a
ton of masking done and I was just floored by the fact that there was NO
feathering under all that masking tape. That's why I use the plastic
striping tape. It seals way better than the best masking tapes.  

I mixed up one gun full of red pearl in with the UFC-35 Flo Klear.  To make
a long story shorter, after it was all buffed you could look at the rocket
dead on in room lighting and it just looked white. Get it out into the sun
and it glowed a faint red especially over the black parts of the decals.  T
his thing had a ton of decals all over it. Getting these things on where
they were supposed to be all the way around was a test. I enjoyed this
project as well.  All the folks I mentioned here as just great to work with.


I think the king of Dave's Rocket Painting has to be John Lyngdal. I've
painted so many of John's rockets that I can't remember all of them. It
seemed like John would bring over a new quart of  SG or marbleizer in one
hand and another rocket in the other.  I think John is responsible for about
1/3  of my paint inventory! LOL!  Seems like every time I saw him he'd have
some more paint or primer or 5-10 gallons of wash up thinner.  John and I
found lots of new HOK stuff that I might not have explored or used.  One
especially was the pre-mixed candies.  We used a bunch of that stuff on his
Mid power stuff if you can call any of John's rockets "mid power?"  Smile.

Paint stories. What daya know?   This sorta stuff is what makes rocketry so
special to me and so special to the Northwest. We got it on good here folks.


Dave Proffitt
 


-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Deputy
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:34 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...

Yeah, Punch Drunk was real pretty.  Right up to when we hit the button.

But really, too pretty to fly?  Cmon.  Yes, Proffit paint jobs are beyond
beautiful, but if you think a rocket is too pretty to fly....well.....you
need counseling...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Adrian L Carbine
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:14 AM
> To: Azinger, Fred
> Cc: OROC List
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> 
> My saddest rocketry day was at LDRS near Amarillo in 2002, when my
Ultimate
> Endeavor had 2 out of 3 J350 outboards CATO on airstart, due to AT
propellant
> problems, after a nice K700 initial boost. This rocket had a beautiful
maroon
> and black Proffitt/HOK paint job that was a sight to behold. In the
sunlight
> it just sparkled and shone.
> 
> After the two "pops" in flight, the fin can rained down in pieces, and the
> rest of the rocket fell in a flat spin and smashed to the ground. Most of
it
> went into the dumpster, with Taps playing and flags at half mast, but I
kept
> the uppermost body tube and nose cone just because. The amazing thing is
that
> on the inside the BT is all cracked and busted up, but on the outside you
> can't even tell. It looks brand new. Of course the layer of fiberglass
kept
> things together, but that HOK paint is tough and flexible!
> 
> So with the right paint, that hanger queen can be tougher than you would
> think, but on the other hand, a nice paint job sometimes seems to attract
bad
> luck. My other Proffitt-painted bird is my L3, and it has flown several
times,
> but most of its scratches and dings are from hauling it around to rocketry
> show-and-tell sessions.
> 
> --- Adrian
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Azinger, Fred
<fred.azinger at intel.com>wrote:
> 
> > Are you sure you want a hanger queen this large?
> > Dave's paint jobs are so nice, you'll display the rocket as art and
> > won't want to fly it.
> > I know that is the status on my L3 that Dave painted.
> > A nice hanger queen for my Den.....too purdy to fly!
> > Even my wife recognizes it as "rocket art."
> > FredA
> >
> > PS: Dave does a hellofva paint job.......highly recommended.......but
> > don't say I didn't warn you about not wanting to fly the end result.....
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Brad Wright
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:04 AM
> > To: Dave Proffitt; matjamison at aol.com
> > Cc: OROC List
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Ok I'll bite.   I'll do a 6" diameter either Raptor or Velociraptor in
> > fiberglass just cause I want a rocket without my usual sh***y paint
> > job and instead have it be a Master-Proffitt-Piece.  :)
> >
> > brad
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 AM
> > To: matjamison at aol.com
> > Cc: OROC List
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket!  Mike Fisher took
> > that design to a higher level with his Velociraptor.  I am still gonna
> > get one of Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme
> > on it. The HOK green marbelizer when applied right has a very
> > "reptilian" appearance to it.
> > Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL!  Was thinking of mostly  black with
> > green marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold
> > fades somewhere.  I love black paint. It goes with every color under the
> sun.
> >  You
> > can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my
> > crazy paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere.
> >
> > I know! How about an upscale Raptor?  I'll do the paint scheme for
> > free if someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that.
> >
> > I like the split fin concept on the booster.
> >
> > The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on
> > a J415.  Great flight but everything came out at the same time. No
damage.
> >
> > Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the
> > trailing edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors.
> > I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I
> > liked the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod.
> >
> > Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight.
> >
> > Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com
> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll
> > be flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few
> > J-350's in some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's
> >
> > Did someone say Beer??
> >
> >
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From D1brown at NNU.Edu  Fri Mar 20 21:10:07 2009
From: D1brown at NNU.Edu (Dale Brown)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:10:07 -0600
Subject: [RocketsNW] University Space Shot Attempt - Experimental Motor
	Advice	Wanted
Message-ID: <49C4143C020000A700033C52@yatta.nnu.edu>

Hello,

I am a member of a rocketry project at Northwest Nazarene University in Idaho, with the goal of launching a scratch built rocket off of a high altitude balloon platform into space.  I am personally a chemistry/physics major and am in charge of developing the motor, which we want to make ourselves to cut back on weight and cost (the goal is to get past 200 km on a budget of less than $5,000, including all testing and development).  

I have been in contact with the Tripoli group here in Boise, and through a few suggestions down the line, NWRocketry was recommended as a place to inquire.  I have done some research already on the topic of composite motors, but information seems to be hard to come by as very few people actually build their own motors.  Any help would be greatly appreciated, especially if I could talk with someone experienced in motor design and/or building.

Thank you,

Dale Brown
NNU Rocket Team



From Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 22:06:42 2009
From: Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net (Michael Dennis)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:06:42 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
In-Reply-To: <00a001c9a9d9$cb92e950$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
References: <0de401c9a995$8748db90$95da92b0$@com><0dfb01c9a997$440390d0$cc0ab270$@com><e1e3ba0b0903201312k657852f2p5207b1da87b98b07@mail.gmail.com><F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB467F8DF6@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>	<6bc920e40903202020n2551887cs793d4a8aa0f204bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a001c9a9d9$cb92e950$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <004401c9a9e2$d424bbd0$7c6e3370$@Dennis42@comcast.net>

Thanks, we'll certainly review 'em.
And here is a method to have Rocksim more predictably handle canted motors:
http://www.apogeerockets.com/education/downloads/Newsletter226.pdf
Kinda cumbersome as it involves editing the .eng file for the desired
motor...

We are planning on having them mounted on the axis of the central just
"canted" away from the centerline.  We won't be trying to induce spin but
given the variability in motor thrust we may get it anyway.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:02 PM
To: Dave Randall; Azinger, Fred
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???



Where upper and lower are vertcical, but wider at lowest ring versus upper 
rings? If that's the case, cool. You might still see a spin, if thrust and 
alignment (of MMT) are not really close. Makes a great effect.

If you're talking a canting of minor outward angle and minor vertical angle,

then that should make for an interesting flight. Agree with Fred on the 
spin.

If you haven't seen it. There is a video shot of a cant design on two motor 
mounts for the rocket. Not a true cant, but you'll see the affects. Download

LDRS 26 sample video from RocketsMagazine, scene is at 39 seconds. One motor

didn't light BTW. You guess it.

Another video is LDRS 27 sample from RocketsMagazine. At 1:18 
minutes/seconds there is a Saturn series on multiple motors. Spinning. I 
cannot tell if the design or motors are causing the spin. Likely motors. 
They lost a lot of feet because of it.

I have never built what you're doing. I just hope these two video examples 
might help you.

Cheers,
Robert



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Randall" <dmrandall at gmail.com>
To: "Azinger, Fred" <fred.azinger at intel.com>
Cc: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???


The cant in the 54's are actually for show more than anything.  We're
wanting to push more smoke out and away from the central blast.

Dave

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Azinger, Fred <fred.azinger at intel.com> 
wrote:
> Having a source for cluster rings would be great!
>
> Single-hole rings are too easily done with a router to bother.
>
> I can make a double-step (stepped ID and OD) ring with a EBay/NC cap 
> recovered from the center in less than 5 minutes....
> For instance, I'm building a Intimidator-5 that needs 8 custom 
> rings...only the two EBay caps are alike.
> Total cutting time for the 8 rings and 8 "free" interior caps was well 
> within an hour, start to cleanup.
>
> It would take me nearly that long to package up some stock parts and make 
> a round-trip to the USPO to ship.....
>
>
> BTW: canting those few degrees won't change the thrust that much .... 
> Unless the 54's are really short, you'll only have a few degrees of cant 
> and thus only a few percent decrease in thrust... IMHO, The only real 
> reason to cant is stability in the case of non-uniform thrust or to create

> spin. Gotta ask if the added complexity is worth it.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]

> On Behalf Of Michael Dennis
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:22 PM
> To: 'Aaron Fogg'; 'Greg Deputy'
> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>
> I'll send you a email off list, thanks.
>
>
>
> From: Aaron Fogg [mailto:aaronfogg at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:13 PM
> To: Greg Deputy
> Cc: Michael Dennis; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>
>
>
> I can do laser cut rings here on the C02 laser, canted cuts are out of the
> question though.
>
>
> Aaron
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Greg Deputy <greg at blastzone.com> wrote:
>
> But seriously. Put in a 114mm or 152mm if you have the room, and adapt
> down. Seriously.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Dennis [mailto:Michael.Dennis42 at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM
>> To: 'Greg Deputy'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>>
>
>> LOL, well it will take Brad's "N"...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com]
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:53 PM
>> To: 'Michael Dennis'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>>
>
>> Your central motor is too small..... ;)
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On
>> > Behalf Of Michael Dennis
>> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:49 PM
>> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Custom Centering Rings???
>> >
>> > I just found out that Patrick Waite is no longer doing custom centering
>> rings,
>> > seems I'm late in hearing that he stopped this about a year ago.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyway, does anyone have a reliable (hopefully relatively inexpensive)
>> source
>> > for creating custom CRs? We're looking for approximate 12" diameter
> main
>> > airframe tube, with a central 98mm and (4) 54mm which would be canted.
>> > I can do this in my garage if needed but wanted to compare that work to
>> > someone that could make 'em to order.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks much,
>> >
>> > Michael and the U4EA team
>
>
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From fred at azinger.com  Fri Mar 20 22:11:13 2009
From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:11:13 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Victory burn
Message-ID: <004201c9a9e3$753d1ee0$5fb75ca0$@com>

I uploaded the video from our test burn at our little BATF Victory Party.

 

You'll see and hear the "mighty chuff" that made us think we tossed the
nozzle.

Once it caught, it was a nice burn.

 

This was some of the left over propellant that I made for our Nike Apache
sustainer at Balls....only it had 3X the propellant.  ;-)

 

I wanted to post a high def version, but it came out to 53MByte which is a
little on the huge size.....

 

Twas a fun evening.

Enjoy,

FredA

 

Video at: http://www.northwestrocketry.com/uploads/BATF-Burn-320x240.wmv

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I uploaded the video from our test burn at our little BATF Victory Party.
?
You'll see and hear the "mighty chuff" that made us think we tossed the nozzle.
Once it caught, it was a nice burn.
?
This was some of the left over propellant that I made for our Nike Apache sustainer at Balls....only it had 3X the propellant.? ;-)
?
I wanted to post a high def version, but it came out to 53MByte which is a little on the huge size.....
?
Twas a fun evening.
Enjoy,
FredA
?
Video at: http://www.northwestrocketry.com/uploads/BATF-Burn-320x240.wmv http://www.northwestrocketry.com/uploads/BATF-Burn-320x240.wmv

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Fri Mar 20 22:51:54 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:51:54 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] new aerotech motor!
In-Reply-To: <a06240804c5ea198e2d9f@[10.0.1.78]>
References: <a06240804c5ea198e2d9f@[10.0.1.78]>
Message-ID: <7365D4E35FD0470981A11BA728DA5887@Mobile2>

That is an awesome little motor! 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Bob Grossfeld
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:12 PM
To: rockets northwest
Subject: [RocketsNW] new aerotech motor!

ENJOY...

AeroTech Unveils New 24mm Single-Use Motor at NARCON 2009

AeroTech will announce its first new 24mm single-use motor since 2001, the
24 X 95mm Blue Thunder? F32T, on 3/20/09 during NARCON 2009 in Wethersfield,
CT (http://www.catorockets.org/NARCON2009/index.htm).

The F32T features an all-new molded phenolic casing with a built-in thrust
ring, a new molded plastic bulkhead and uses a specially-optimized version
of AeroTech's Blue Thunder propellant which delivers an astounding specific
impulse of 225 seconds! The F32T produces a beautiful translucent blue
exhaust plume with "mach diamonds" similar to the redesigned G80T. With a
propellant weight of only 25.8 grams, the F32T may be shipped via U.S. Mail
Parcel Post? with no hazmat fee. The F32T will be available in three time
delays: F32-4T (P/N 63204), F32-6T (P/N 63206) and F32-8T (P/N 63208)

The National Association of Rocketry (NAR) certified total impulse for the
F32T is 56.9 N-sec. The 225 second delivered Isp is the highest ever
recorded for a NAR-certified model rocket motor. Other statistics include a
burn time of 1.66 seconds, an average thrust of 34.1 newtons, peak thrust of
61.9 newtons, propellant mass of 25.8 grams and an initial mass of 65 grams.
It may be used interchangeably in kits designed for other 24 X 95mm motors
such as the black powder E9. The F32T has the same initial mass as the E9,
but delivers over twice the total impulse.

The F32T single-use motor will be available from AeroTech and its dealers at
an introductory retail price of $15.90 each. The F32T has already been
approved by the California Office of the State Fire Marshal (OSFM) for sale
and use by California consumers.

Motor instructions, the official NAR certification document and the OSFM
approval for the F32T will be available for download in PDF format from the
Resource Library on the AeroTech website at http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com
on 3/20/09.


Product Information Summary:

1. Product description and application: 24 X 95mm (.938" diameter X 3.75"
long) F32-4T, F32-6T, F32-8T composite propellant single-use model rocket
motors for use in model rocket kits designed for black powder 'E' motors

2. Category or target market: Mid-power model rocketry

3. Number of pieces or skill level (if applicable): Skill level 3

4. Age rating: 16 and above

5. Special features: One-piece molded case with built in aft thrust ring;
highest performance composite model rocket propellant ever certified; first
new 24mm single-use motor from AeroTech in 8 years; NAR certified; approved
for sale in California; USPS shippable; special low introductory price; Blue
Thunder? propellant

6. Three bullet points: Fits model rockets designed for E9 black powder
motors; same weight but over twice the power of the E9; stunning composite
propellant performance and visual and audible effects.


From billn at peak.org  Fri Mar 20 23:02:22 2009
From: billn at peak.org (Bill Nelson)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:02:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] University Space Shot Attempt - Experimental Motor
 Advice	Wanted
In-Reply-To: <49C4143C020000A700033C52@yatta.nnu.edu>
References: <49C4143C020000A700033C52@yatta.nnu.edu>
Message-ID: <3305.208.51.52.125.1237615342.squirrel@webmail.peak.org>

> I am a member of a rocketry project at Northwest Nazarene University
> in Idaho, with the goal of launching a scratch built rocket off of a
> high altitude balloon platform into space.  I am personally a
> chemistry/physics major and am in charge of developing the motor,
> which we want to make ourselves to cut back on weight and cost (the
> goal is to get past 200 km on a budget of less than $5,000,
> including all testing and development).

I admire your goals, but think they are unrealistic. You budget
might be adequate using mostly commercial products.

For what may be a one time effort, you want a motor that is well
tested and known to be efficient.

Developing such a motor yourself is going to cost more than simply
buying a commercial product. And, since you don't have experience in
the area, you are unlikely to save any weight.

Previous rockoon launches have not seemed to wait until the balloon
gets to 100,000 or more feet due to high altitude winds.

If you don't have it already, here is a good reference on high
altitude balloons and rockoons:

http://www.hobbyspace.com/NearSpace/index.html

Bill








From IBELCHLOUD at aol.com  Sat Mar 21 05:57:50 2009
From: IBELCHLOUD at aol.com (IBELCHLOUD at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:57:50 EDT
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
Message-ID: <c39.4e62b9d1.36f63e4e@aol.com>

The Raptor's a good bird.  Had one and shredded it on a J800.  Unreinforced 
coupler folded, bad new after that.  Tell your bro to throw a bigger motor in 
it than just a J350 for his L2 cert.  This is FITS! Go big or go home!

Lou


**************
Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 
or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
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The Raptor's a good bird.? Had one and shredded it on a J800.? Unreinforced coupler folded, bad new after that.? Tell your bro to throw a bigger motor in it than just a J350 for his L2 cert.? This is FITS! Go big or go home!
Lou
**************
Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

From faderlk at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 21 09:39:50 2009
From: faderlk at hotmail.com (william carpenter)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:39:50 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] WAC "Spring Tune Up" Launch
Message-ID: <COL104-W63D0B0B7D9A4A99DB2D231BC940@phx.gbl>


Hello All,

 

Just one question. Anyone have directions to Snell Ranch? I've only been to one WAC launch so far and it was at the Sportsman's Club.

 

Thanks for any replies.

 

William Carpenter

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From faderlk at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 21 09:47:14 2009
From: faderlk at hotmail.com (william carpenter)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:47:14 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap live webcast
Message-ID: <COL104-W558DAD086F6FA8E7B8F992BC940@phx.gbl>


Hello All,

 

As a trial run of the technology before April, I'll be doing a live webcast of the Leprechaun's Leap Launch (assuming it isn't rained out again.

 

The broadcast is scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM on the day of the launch and it will go until at least noon. To view the webcast, go to the following URL. 

 

http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm 

 

Read the "Latest Updates" ticker to get the latest status on whether or not I'll be attending. If all looks good, click the "Simav8r's Rocket Stream" link. It'll take you to my channel on UStream. 

 

Be aware that the internet on my end might not be that good. I'll be doing all I can to make it go smoothly, but there's only so much I can do.

 

If you're not attending the launch, then please take a look at the webcast. I want to see if it works and get all the bugs worked out before I head out to Mansfield in April. 

 

Regards, William Carpenter A.K.A. "Simav8r"

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?
As a trial run of the technology before April, I'll be doing a live webcast of the Leprechaun's Leap Launch (assuming it isn't rained out again.
?
The broadcast is scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM on the day of the launch and it will go until at least noon. To view the webcast, go to the following URL.
?
http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
?
?
Read the "Latest Updates" ticker to get the latest status on whether or not I'll be attending. If all looks good, click the "Simav8r's Rocket Stream" link. It'll take you to my channel on UStream.
?
Be aware that the internet on my end might not be that good. I'll be doing all I can to make it go smoothly, but there's only so much I can do.
?
If you're not attending the launch, then please take a look at the webcast. I want to see if it works and get all the bugs worked out before I head out to Mansfield in April.
?
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From aaronfogg at gmail.com  Sat Mar 21 09:50:34 2009
From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:50:34 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] WAC "Spring Tune Up" Launch
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http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/mansfield.php#snell

2009/3/21 william carpenter <faderlk at hotmail.com>

> Hello All,
>
> Just one question. Anyone have directions to Snell Ranch? I've only been to
> one WAC launch so far and it was at the Sportsman's Club.
>
> Thanks for any replies.
>
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Just one question. Anyone have directions to Snell Ranch? I've only been to one WAC launch so far and it was at the Sportsman's Club.
?
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?
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From jjarmitage at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 21 09:53:35 2009
From: jjarmitage at earthlink.net (John Armitage)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:53:35 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
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Hmmm,

Let's see...

Still rebuilding from October: split body tube, delaminated fin, cracked fin
can, broken shock cords and mounts, pride...uh-huh, fun

But, building 3 new birds:

Michael: a 48" as yet unnamed 29mm mount 8 fin 
Allyne: Bill and Dave put her up to build her L2 kit and they will provide a
skyripper hybrid to shove it
Me: a 4" 8' payloader

How many days till Tune-Up?

(and don't forget the earplugs ;-))

John, Allyne, Michael

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From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Angela Innes
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :)

So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.
Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?

I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get
out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!
LOL!

Cheers everyone!

Red



From absworld at cet.com  Sat Mar 21 10:23:59 2009
From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:23:59 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] WAC "Spring Tune-up" Launch- April
	25-26th
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Glad to hear we'll be at the ranch next month .. it's 10 miles closer ;-)

 

I had flights planned for the lower waiver at the sportsman's club so time
to re-evaluate and think a little higher !

 

I hope Mark leaves his 'diaper' at home (pic available upon request).

 

boberT

 

From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org
[mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Kent Newman
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:46 PM
To: WAC Members
Cc: Rockets NW list
Subject: [WAC-Members] WAC "Spring Tune-up" Launch- April 25-26th

 

Greetings all!

 

While you peruse the more recent legal decisions being bandied about and you
ponder what progress has been made on that laundry list of rocketry projects
to be completed before FITS, be sure to pencil in the first WAC launch of
the season over the April 25-26th weekend in Mansfield.  It's time to work
out the bugs, grease the motors and refresh one's mind on altimeter prep.
Dip those igniters, fold those chutes and test those BP charges, boys and
girls.  The flying season is upon us!

 

Note a venue change from the Sportsmen's Club (original schedule) to the
Snell Ranch about 10 miles east of Mansfield.  The waiver is 25K' with a
very open recovery area.  An area for camping was cleared last fall and
should still be in good shape for use this spring.

 

Your master of ceremonies this year will be the inimitable Mark Lyons, star
of "Put 'Um Fast And Bring 'Em Down Faster"!  Mark will handle FAA waiver
authorization, delicate points of contention on the flight safety of a 2
liter coke bottle on a G80 and any runway model contests.

 

Do know that we will be asking for launch fees and NAR/TRA membership at
this launch.  If you're going to FITS, get your WAC membership now (it's a
good deal) and you and your family will be set to fly at any WAC launch all
season (http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/documents.php).  Directions to
the Snell Ranch may be found at the WAC site under "Launches".  GPS
coordinates are listed.

 

This launch truly is a "tune-up" event prior to FITS.  You'll see a new PA
system getting the kinks worked out, new mid-power pads being tested and a
formidable karaoke team putting together a playlist for late nights in May.
Puget Sound Propulsion will be there in their APCP glory so get your
requests in to Bill and Dave (http://www.pugetsoundpropulsion.com/).

 

Peace out...

 

Kent Newman

Washington Aerospace

 

 

 

 

 


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Glad to hear we???ll be at the ranch next month ?????? it???s 10 miles closer ;-)
?
I had flights planned for the lower waiver at the sportsman???s club so time to re-evaluate and think a little higher !
?
I hope Mark leaves his ???diaper??? at home (pic available upon request).
?
boberT
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From:
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On Behalf Of
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Sent:
Friday, March 20, 2009 7:46 PM
To:
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Subject:
[WAC-Members] WAC "Spring Tune-up" Launch- April 25-26th
?
Greetings all!
?
While you peruse the more recent legal decisions being bandied about and you ponder what progress has been made on that laundry list of rocketry projects to be completed before FITS, be sure to pencil in the first WAC launch of the season over the April 25-26
th
weekend in Mansfield. It???s time to work out the bugs, grease the motors and refresh one???s mind on altimeter prep. Dip those igniters, fold those chutes and test those BP charges, boys and girls. The flying season is upon us!
?
Note a venue change from the Sportsmen???s Club (original schedule) to the Snell Ranch about 10 miles east of Mansfield. The waiver is 25K??? with a very open recovery area. An area for camping was cleared last fall and should still be in good shape for use this spring.
?
Your master of ceremonies this year will be the inimitable Mark Lyons, star of ???Put ???Um Fast And Bring ???Em Down Faster???! Mark will handle FAA waiver authorization, delicate points of contention on the flight safety of a 2 liter coke bottle on a G80 and any runway model contests.
?
Do know that we will be asking for launch fees and NAR/TRA membership at this launch. If you???re going to FITS, get your WAC membership now (it???s a good deal) and you and your family will be set to fly at any WAC launch all season ( http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/documents.php http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/documents.php
). Directions to the Snell Ranch may be found at the WAC site under ???Launches???. GPS coordinates are listed.
?
This launch truly is a ???tune-up??? event prior to FITS. You???ll see a new PA system getting the kinks worked out, new mid-power pads being tested and a formidable karaoke team putting together a playlist for late nights in May. Puget Sound Propulsion will be there in their APCP glory so get your requests in to Bill and Dave ( http://www.pugetsoundpropulsion.com/ http://www.pugetsoundpropulsion.com/
).
?
Peace out???..
?
Kent Newman
Washington Aerospace
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From absworld at cet.com  Sat Mar 21 10:24:07 2009
From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:24:07 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] new aerotech motor!
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I gotta have one!
Finally I can fill the F gap in my XTV series of rockets.

Bob Yanecek

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On Behalf Of Bob Grossfeld
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:12 PM
To: rockets northwest
Subject: [RocketsNW] new aerotech motor!

ENJOY...

AeroTech Unveils New 24mm Single-Use Motor at NARCON 2009

AeroTech will announce its first new 24mm single-use motor since 2001, the
24 X 95mm Blue Thunder? F32T, on 3/20/09 during NARCON 2009 in Wethersfield,
CT (http://www.catorockets.org/NARCON2009/index.htm).

The F32T features an all-new molded phenolic casing with a built-in thrust
ring, a new molded plastic bulkhead and uses a specially-optimized version
of AeroTech's Blue Thunder propellant which delivers an astounding specific
impulse of 225 seconds! The F32T produces a beautiful translucent blue
exhaust plume with "mach diamonds" similar to the redesigned G80T. With a
propellant weight of only 25.8 grams, the F32T may be shipped via U.S. Mail
Parcel Post? with no hazmat fee. The F32T will be available in three time
delays: F32-4T (P/N 63204), F32-6T (P/N 63206) and F32-8T (P/N 63208)

The National Association of Rocketry (NAR) certified total impulse for the
F32T is 56.9 N-sec. The 225 second delivered Isp is the highest ever
recorded for a NAR-certified model rocket motor. Other statistics include a
burn time of 1.66 seconds, an average thrust of 34.1 newtons, peak thrust of
61.9 newtons, propellant mass of 25.8 grams and an initial mass of 65 grams.
It may be used interchangeably in kits designed for other 24 X 95mm motors
such as the black powder E9. The F32T has the same initial mass as the E9,
but delivers over twice the total impulse.

The F32T single-use motor will be available from AeroTech and its dealers at
an introductory retail price of $15.90 each. The 
F32T has already been approved by
the California Office of the State Fire Marshal (OSFM) for sale and use by
California consumers.

Motor instructions, the official NAR certification document and the OSFM
approval for the F32T will be available for download in PDF format from the
Resource Library on the AeroTech website at http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com
on 3/20/09.


Product Information Summary:

1. Product description and application: 24 X 95mm (.938" diameter X 3.75"
long) F32-4T, F32-6T, F32-8T composite propellant single-use model rocket
motors for use in model rocket kits designed for black powder 'E' motors

2. Category or target market: Mid-power model rocketry

3. Number of pieces or skill level (if applicable): Skill level 3

4. Age rating: 16 and above

5. Special features: One-piece molded case with built in aft thrust ring;
highest performance composite model rocket propellant ever certified; first
new 24mm single-use motor from AeroTech in 8 years; NAR certified; approved
for sale in California; USPS shippable; special low introductory price; Blue
Thunder? propellant

6. Three bullet points: Fits model rockets designed for E9 black powder
motors; same weight but over twice the power of the E9; stunning composite
propellant performance and visual and audible effects.
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From carl at mousetrap.com  Sat Mar 21 10:27:24 2009
From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:27:24 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] WAC "Spring Tune Up" Launch
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Basic driving directions from the west are as follows:

1. Drive through the town of Mansfield on 172.
2. About 10 miles east of town, turn right on "O" Road NE. Don't be
surprised; this is a small, dirt road.
3. Drive south on "O", past the Quonset hut, until you find a bunch of
rocketeers.

- Carl

On Mar 21, 2009 9:40 AM, "william carpenter" <faderlk at hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello All,

Just one question. Anyone have directions to Snell Ranch? I've only been to
one WAC launch so far and it was at the Sportsman's Club.

Thanks for any replies.

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1. Drive through the town of Mansfield on 172.
2. About 10 miles east of town, turn right on "O" Road NE. Don't be surprised; this is a small, dirt road.
3. Drive south on "O", past the Quonset hut, until you find a bunch of rocketeers.
- Carl
On Mar 21, 2009 9:40 AM, "william carpenter" < mailto:faderlk at hotmail.com faderlk at hotmail.com
> wrote:
Hello All,
?
Just one question. Anyone have directions to Snell Ranch? I've only been to one WAC launch so far and it was at the Sportsman's Club.
?
Thanks for any replies.
?
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From Mfreptiles at aol.com  Sat Mar 21 11:11:30 2009
From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:11:30 EDT
Subject: [RocketsNW] University Space Shot Attempt - Experimental Motor
	Advice Wan...
Message-ID: <cec.5286cdd2.36f687d2@aol.com>

Dale,
 
I'd suggest getting the book by Terry McCreary, Experimental Composite  
Propellant.
 
You've got a pretty high mountain to climb.  I'm not sure how big of a  motor 
that you are aiming for, but most motor builders start small, in the 38mm  
range and move up from there.  This usually takes years to gain  experience.
 
If I were you, I'd find an experienced mentor willing to partner up with  you 
to help achieve your goal.  I'm not familiar with any Idaho EX'ers, but  
maybe someone on the list can refer you to someone that is closer to you.
 
Best of luck,
Mike Fisher
Binder Design
 
 
In a message dated 3/20/2009 9:31:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
D1brown at NNU.Edu writes:

Hello,

I am a member of a rocketry project at Northwest Nazarene  University in 
Idaho, with the goal of launching a scratch built rocket off of  a high altitude 
balloon platform into space.  I am personally a  chemistry/physics major and am 
in charge of developing the motor, which we  want to make ourselves to cut 
back on weight and cost (the goal is to get past  200 km on a budget of less 
than $5,000, including all testing and  development).  

I have been in contact with the Tripoli group here  in Boise, and through a 
few suggestions down the line, NWRocketry was  recommended as a place to 
inquire.  I have done some research already on  the topic of composite motors, but 
information seems to be hard to come by as  very few people actually build 
their own motors.  Any help would be  greatly appreciated, especially if I could 
talk with someone experienced in  motor design and/or building.

Thank you,

Dale Brown
NNU  Rocket  Team


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Dale,
?
I'd suggest getting the book by Terry McCreary, Experimental Composite Propellant.
?
You've got a pretty high mountain to climb.? I'm not sure how big of a motor that you are aiming for, but most motor builders start small, in the 38mm range and move up from there.? This usually takes years to gain experience.
?
If I were you, I'd find an experienced mentor willing to partner up with you to help achieve your goal.? I'm not familiar with any Idaho EX'ers, but maybe someone on the list can refer you to someone that is closer to you.
?
Best of luck,
Mike Fisher
Binder Design
?
In a message dated 3/20/2009 9:31:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, D1brown at NNU.Edu writes:
Hello,
I am a member of a rocketry project at Northwest Nazarene University in Idaho, with the goal of launching a scratch built rocket off of a high altitude balloon platform into space.? I am personally a chemistry/physics major and am in charge of developing the motor, which we want to make ourselves to cut back on weight and cost (the goal is to get past 200 km on a budget of less than $5,000, including all testing and development).?
I have been in contact with the Tripoli group here in Boise, and through a few suggestions down the line, NWRocketry was recommended as a place to inquire.? I have done some research already on the topic of composite motors, but information seems to be hard to come by as very few people actually build their own motors.? Any help would be greatly appreciated, especially if I could talk with someone experienced in motor design and/or building.
Thank you,
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From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Sat Mar 21 13:16:19 2009
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:16:19 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
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And why in the world would you need ear plugs John???

-----Original Message-----
From: John Armitage <jjarmitage at earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:53 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

Hmmm,

Let's see...

Still rebuilding from October: split body tube, delaminated fin, cracked fin
can, broken shock cords and mounts, pride...uh-huh, fun

But, building 3 new birds:

Michael: a 48" as yet unnamed 29mm mount 8 fin
Allyne: Bill and Dave put her up to build her L2 kit and they will provide a
skyripper hybrid to shove it
Me: a 4" 8' payloader

How many days till Tune-Up?

(and don't forget the earplugs ;-))

John, Allyne, Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Angela Innes
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :)

So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.
Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?

I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get
out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!
LOL!

Cheers everyone!

Red


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From rocfish74 at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 21 13:21:54 2009
From: rocfish74 at hotmail.com (Mark Lyons)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:21:54 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff
Message-ID: <BLU135-W363FF5B71509A8A3AE09BAA6940@phx.gbl>


Well.....Started an Excell + to replace my high speed landing from last year. ( I guess that's where " Put 'em up fast and Bring 'em in faster" comes from) Sheesh...

 

Gonna have " Hip2B[]"

A 3" bird on J500G 

3" Goblin on I something

Canadian Sprint on a J90 maybe...

 

Mostly Gonna Have FUN..and FUN IS GOOD.

 

Right Bobert?

 

Mark

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Well.....Started an Excell + to replace my high speed landing from last year. ( I guess that's where " Put 'em up fast and Bring 'em in faster" comes from) Sheesh...
?
Gonna have " Hip2B[]"
A 3" bird on J500G
3" Goblin on I something
Canadian Sprint on a J90 maybe...
?
Mostly Gonna Have FUN..and FUN IS GOOD.
?
Right Bobert?
?
Mark
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From kent.newman at comcast.net  Sat Mar 21 14:35:30 2009
From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:35:30 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Projects?? Fun Stuff
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A Canadian Sprint on a J90?  Don't you want it back?  J

 

Kent

 

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[mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lyons
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:22 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; members at washingtonaerospace.org
Subject: [WAC-Members] Projects?? Fun Stuff

 

Well.....Started an Excell + to replace my high speed landing from last
year. ( I guess that's where " Put 'em up fast and Bring 'em in faster"
comes from) Sheesh...
 
Gonna have " Hip2B[]"
A 3" bird on J500G 
3" Goblin on I something
Canadian Sprint on a J90 maybe...
 
Mostly Gonna Have FUN..and FUN IS GOOD.
 
Right Bobert?
 
Mark

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On Behalf Of
Mark Lyons
Sent:
Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:22 PM
To:
rockets at rocketsnw.com; members at washingtonaerospace.org
Subject:
[WAC-Members] Projects?? Fun Stuff
?
Well.....Started an Excell + to replace my high speed landing from last year. ( I guess that's where " Put 'em up fast and Bring 'em in faster" comes from) Sheesh...
?
Gonna have " Hip2B[]"
A 3" bird on J500G
3" Goblin on I something
Canadian Sprint on a J90 maybe...
?
Mostly Gonna Have FUN..and FUN IS GOOD.
?
Right Bobert?
?
Mark
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From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Sat Mar 21 17:18:12 2009
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 00:18:12 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Some paint stories
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Dave,

You should have a gallery online of pictures of your finished work!  I'd love to see more.   If you have the photos I'd be more than willing to help put it together.

b

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:19 PM
To: OROC List
Subject: [RocketsNW] Some paint stories

Punch Drunk. Now there was a rocket paint party if ever there was one. You
folks shoulda seen Alex and Dave after sanding on that thing for a couple of
evenings. Alex looked someone had dipped him in flour. He had fiberglass
dust all over him.  That lasted until we got it into primer then it started
all over again on poor Alex. It was a fun and great time. We really sorta
had a vague idea about how we wanted to paint it. After I got the nose cone
done with blue marbelizer Alex was so taken with the way it looked that he
got this flash of brilliance and just told me to paint the entire rocket
this color. We did and had the name done in gold and black lettering I
think?  Help me out here Dave.

Alex being the semi-impatient guy that he was, was sorta wishy washey about
me color sanding and polishing the clear coat like I wanted to do. I MADE
him let me do the nose cone so he could see what it looked like and he
flipped out!   I really enjoyed doing this rocket because Alex was so into
it and the way the paint came out.  It was fun, lots of joking, lots of
Pepsi cans, potato chip bags and wet sand paper all in my car port during
the first part of the summer.

I miss Alex and his enthusiasm for the sport. I also enjoyed doing Adrian's
projects as well as Fred's L3 bird. That one had a strange story to it. Fred
told me he wanted to call it agent orange. So I knew we had to use orange in
it somewhere. Then I started thinking where the stuff was used, in the
jungle, so green because the other color. I wanted to balance the color
scheme out a bit because one fin was green I think and a panel down the
side?  Correct me if I'm wandering here Fred.  So I decided to put a green
marbelizer cap on the nose cone.  I shot BC 25  black on the tip of the cone
and brought it back 6 -8 inches I guess. Black base is standard on most
marbelizer colors. I got the marbelizer on it and was gonna break the
green/orange junction with some horizontal bands like Jeff Bennett's Animal
Instinct.  I brought the orange up close to the marbelizer then switched
over to an airbrush. I faded it into green and it hit me! It looked like the
rocket had flow right thru something orange! So I left it like that. Much to
my relief Fred liked it to. I think Fred's rocket is the only one I've ever
done with an asymmetrical paint job.

Adrian and I sorta did a little experimenting on his L3 bird. I was unsure
of the candies at that time. We thought about using Orion Silver as a base,
for some reason we didn't go with that. Adrian liked the darker tone
afforded by Solar Gold base we used. The nice thing about the marblizers is
that they have pearl platelets in them that are highly reflective.  Once out
in the sunlight they sparkle like nobody's business. Adrian's rockets were
absolutely brilliant in the sun. Adrian is another person that delivers his
projects to me almost primer-ready.

Then we have Jeff Bennett's Animal Instinct. Wow what a deal that was!  Jeff
told me to "use my imagination!"  That was daring on his part, but I like
the freedom of this. What fun it was too.
I found a leopard spot stencil up at my paint store! I  couldn't believe my
luck! I don't know how the colors came about except for the green because
the "jungle" thing came into it again. I used HOK  Organic Green Candy on
Jeff's bird.  I did the nosecone tip in green marbelizer. I did butt it up
to two horizontal bands one black and the other silver. I did the nose cone
in Organic Green Candy and below the AV section did a transition into Solar
Gold. The thing also had three panels of green marbelizer that went in
between the fins. For  you new folks that haven't seen Jeff's bird it's an
Ultimate Endeavor.  Jeff got some white vinyl lettering  "Animal Instinct."
Using this was a first for me. I'd never shot clear over this stuff so we
didn't know what the heck was gonna happen! For all I knew it might have
melted the plastic! When I sprayed the clear on it some funny stuff started
happening. The edges started lifting a little bit. There were some air
bubbles in it too. I was beside myself!  All that work!  All the paint went
on very well.  I've learned that when you've been banging your head into
something like this and run into the wall it's best to go get a Coke.  What
happened next is the reason I'm such an advocate of HOK stuff. The UFC-35
Flo Klear is just amazing. It has the properties of leveling itself  flatter
than the proverbial pancake. After my Coke and a smile I went back up to the
paint room. Much to my astonishment the clear had flatted the edges and air
bubbles to non existence! So I hit it with two more top coats and let it set
and cure for about 3 days. I went sanded it and applied three more clear
coats. I then buffed it and that's the story of  "Animal Instinct ." A fun
project and Jeff was great to work with too.

Then we come to Rick Clapp's Cherokee. Now this guy was a study in finding
pin holes! Wow. I sent Rick a picture of the booster after I had draw
circles around all the pin holes I had found after filling up all I thought
I had found!  This rocket was also an experiment in using dry pearls. Rick
was gracious enough to let me experiment on his L3 bird!  Because this
rocket was mostly white it was a prime candidate for trying some of these
nice pearls I got from Scott and Teresa at Quality Paints. Scott gave me a
whole slug of this stuff at a dirt cheap price.  We decided that because the
rocket had a lot of red on it that I should mix the red pearl into one coat
of the clear.  But first let me tell you about the forward roll pattern
decal that we did not put on!  When Rick pulled this thing out of the bag it
was crooked and dog-legged lookin thing. I just cringed at using it. It had
"user hostile" written all over it. Because I'm a painter I know things
about cocky vinyl decals. Rick and I tried for 30 minutes to get it on, and
it was an exercise in frustration and a new way of raising my anger level.
Finally I got pissed off and ripped it off the rocket much to Rick's
amazement. I told Rick I'd do it by hand. Yeah right Dave! Little did I
realize what I was in for. I spent one entire evening laying it out on the
forward airframe. But I did it and it came out pretty good. There was just a
ton of masking done and I was just floored by the fact that there was NO
feathering under all that masking tape. That's why I use the plastic
striping tape. It seals way better than the best masking tapes.

I mixed up one gun full of red pearl in with the UFC-35 Flo Klear.  To make
a long story shorter, after it was all buffed you could look at the rocket
dead on in room lighting and it just looked white. Get it out into the sun
and it glowed a faint red especially over the black parts of the decals.  T
his thing had a ton of decals all over it. Getting these things on where
they were supposed to be all the way around was a test. I enjoyed this
project as well.  All the folks I mentioned here as just great to work with.


I think the king of Dave's Rocket Painting has to be John Lyngdal. I've
painted so many of John's rockets that I can't remember all of them. It
seemed like John would bring over a new quart of  SG or marbleizer in one
hand and another rocket in the other.  I think John is responsible for about
1/3  of my paint inventory! LOL!  Seems like every time I saw him he'd have
some more paint or primer or 5-10 gallons of wash up thinner.  John and I
found lots of new HOK stuff that I might not have explored or used.  One
especially was the pre-mixed candies.  We used a bunch of that stuff on his
Mid power stuff if you can call any of John's rockets "mid power?"  Smile.

Paint stories. What daya know?   This sorta stuff is what makes rocketry so
special to me and so special to the Northwest. We got it on good here folks.


Dave Proffitt



-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Deputy
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:34 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...

Yeah, Punch Drunk was real pretty.  Right up to when we hit the button.

But really, too pretty to fly?  Cmon.  Yes, Proffit paint jobs are beyond
beautiful, but if you think a rocket is too pretty to fly....well.....you
need counseling...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Adrian L Carbine
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:14 AM
> To: Azinger, Fred
> Cc: OROC List
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
>
> My saddest rocketry day was at LDRS near Amarillo in 2002, when my
Ultimate
> Endeavor had 2 out of 3 J350 outboards CATO on airstart, due to AT
propellant
> problems, after a nice K700 initial boost. This rocket had a beautiful
maroon
> and black Proffitt/HOK paint job that was a sight to behold. In the
sunlight
> it just sparkled and shone.
>
> After the two "pops" in flight, the fin can rained down in pieces, and the
> rest of the rocket fell in a flat spin and smashed to the ground. Most of
it
> went into the dumpster, with Taps playing and flags at half mast, but I
kept
> the uppermost body tube and nose cone just because. The amazing thing is
that
> on the inside the BT is all cracked and busted up, but on the outside you
> can't even tell. It looks brand new. Of course the layer of fiberglass
kept
> things together, but that HOK paint is tough and flexible!
>
> So with the right paint, that hanger queen can be tougher than you would
> think, but on the other hand, a nice paint job sometimes seems to attract
bad
> luck. My other Proffitt-painted bird is my L3, and it has flown several
times,
> but most of its scratches and dings are from hauling it around to rocketry
> show-and-tell sessions.
>
> --- Adrian
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Azinger, Fred
<fred.azinger at intel.com>wrote:
>
> > Are you sure you want a hanger queen this large?
> > Dave's paint jobs are so nice, you'll display the rocket as art and
> > won't want to fly it.
> > I know that is the status on my L3 that Dave painted.
> > A nice hanger queen for my Den.....too purdy to fly!
> > Even my wife recognizes it as "rocket art."
> > FredA
> >
> > PS: Dave does a hellofva paint job.......highly recommended.......but
> > don't say I didn't warn you about not wanting to fly the end result.....
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Brad Wright
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:04 AM
> > To: Dave Proffitt; matjamison at aol.com
> > Cc: OROC List
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Ok I'll bite.   I'll do a 6" diameter either Raptor or Velociraptor in
> > fiberglass just cause I want a rocket without my usual sh***y paint
> > job and instead have it be a Master-Proffitt-Piece.  :)
> >
> > brad
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 AM
> > To: matjamison at aol.com
> > Cc: OROC List
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket!  Mike Fisher took
> > that design to a higher level with his Velociraptor.  I am still gonna
> > get one of Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme
> > on it. The HOK green marbelizer when applied right has a very
> > "reptilian" appearance to it.
> > Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL!  Was thinking of mostly  black with
> > green marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold
> > fades somewhere.  I love black paint. It goes with every color under the
> sun.
> >  You
> > can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my
> > crazy paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere.
> >
> > I know! How about an upscale Raptor?  I'll do the paint scheme for
> > free if someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that.
> >
> > I like the split fin concept on the booster.
> >
> > The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on
> > a J415.  Great flight but everything came out at the same time. No
damage.
> >
> > Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the
> > trailing edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors.
> > I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I
> > liked the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod.
> >
> > Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight.
> >
> > Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com
> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll
> > be flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few
> > J-350's in some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's
> >
> > Did someone say Beer??
> >
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From jjarmitage at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 21 19:51:40 2009
From: jjarmitage at earthlink.net (John Armitage)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:51:40 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
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Well, I have to admit, the quality of the entertainment improved with the
inverse of the remaining tequila.

Bill, Dave: I'll keep the coffee on late again

john

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Wright [mailto:bradwr at wrightholdings.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:16 PM
To: John Armitage; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

And why in the world would you need ear plugs John???

-----Original Message-----
From: John Armitage <jjarmitage at earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:53 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

Hmmm,

Let's see...

Still rebuilding from October: split body tube, delaminated fin, cracked fin
can, broken shock cords and mounts, pride...uh-huh, fun

But, building 3 new birds:

Michael: a 48" as yet unnamed 29mm mount 8 fin
Allyne: Bill and Dave put her up to build her L2 kit and they will provide a
skyripper hybrid to shove it
Me: a 4" 8' payloader

How many days till Tune-Up?

(and don't forget the earplugs ;-))

John, Allyne, Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Angela Innes
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :)

So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.
Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?

I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get
out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!
LOL!

Cheers everyone!

Red


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From bigredbee at gmail.com  Sat Mar 21 23:08:28 2009
From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:08:28 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] [OT] BigRedBee over the atlantic
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Not a rocket, but people *do* put the BigRedBee GPS in rockets -- and
it is pretty high.......and it's still flying.....

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Greg Clark <bigredbee at gmail.com>
Date: Mar 21, 2009 10:50 PM
Subject: BigRedBee over the atlantic
To: GPSL at yahoogroups.com


I don't know too much about this flight, but check this out -- heading
 out over the Atlantic as  of 10:50pm Pacific time.

 http://aprs.fi/?call=KC2TUA-8

 -- Greg K7RKT

From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Sat Mar 21 23:24:32 2009
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 06:24:32 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
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u just need to enjoy more of my bourbon next time and it will sound better ;)

b

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of John Armitage
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:52 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

Well, I have to admit, the quality of the entertainment improved with the
inverse of the remaining tequila.

Bill, Dave: I'll keep the coffee on late again

john

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Wright [mailto:bradwr at wrightholdings.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:16 PM
To: John Armitage; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

And why in the world would you need ear plugs John???

-----Original Message-----
From: John Armitage <jjarmitage at earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:53 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

Hmmm,

Let's see...

Still rebuilding from October: split body tube, delaminated fin, cracked fin
can, broken shock cords and mounts, pride...uh-huh, fun

But, building 3 new birds:

Michael: a 48" as yet unnamed 29mm mount 8 fin
Allyne: Bill and Dave put her up to build her L2 kit and they will provide a
skyripper hybrid to shove it
Me: a 4" 8' payloader

How many days till Tune-Up?

(and don't forget the earplugs ;-))

John, Allyne, Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Angela Innes
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....

So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :)

So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.
Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?

I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get
out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!
LOL!

Cheers everyone!

Red


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From billn at peak.org  Sun Mar 22 01:41:24 2009
From: billn at peak.org (Bill Nelson)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:41:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] [OT] BigRedBee over the atlantic
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> I don't know too much about this flight, but check this out --
> heading out over the Atlantic as  of 10:50pm Pacific time.

Apparently a runaway beacon of some sort, probably for propagation
reporting. Since it was reported at 77K feet and is now under 37K
and descending, I would suspect some sort of underfilled gas
balloon.

Bill




From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 22 08:31:04 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:31:04 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] [OT] BigRedBee over the atlantic
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The flight is called Project Blue Horizon Increment 3.

There is a Twitter page https://explore.twitter.com/PBH3 that is being 
updated regularly. They have a link posted so you can follow it on 
Google Maps. It's currently south of Nova Scotia moving around 50mph and 
down to 32K feet.

One of their flights back in 2008 beat the world amateur high-altitude 
balloon record by 5000 feet.

http://wedothatradio.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/project-blue-horizon-sets-record/
A group of graduate students has broken the world amateur high-altitude 
balloon record in a recent near-space flight that exceeded 125,000 feet. 
The balloon launch was the capstone effort of Project Blue Horizon 
(PBH), an educational component of a three-year program known as 
Lockheed Martin's Engineering Leadership Development Program. The 
group?s 19 students are employed at Lockheed Martin Systems Integration 
in Owego, NY, while completing their systems engineering master's 
degrees at Cornell.

In two previous flights, the PBH team had discovered that optimizing the 
amount of helium in the balloon was a key component to a successful 
mission, Baldwin said. In the latest flight, the students also placed a 
blanket over the balloon's payload to reduce radiation exposure.

Many agencies and companies are examining high-altitude balloon flight 
for exploration and surveying, as well as for detecting radio 
frequencies. Future PBH teams will launch missions that include 
long-duration flights, trans-Atlantic flights, multi-balloon missions 
and the release of unmanned vehicles from near-space altitudes, 
according to the company.

Robert

Bill Nelson wrote:
>> I don't know too much about this flight, but check this out --
>> heading out over the Atlantic as  of 10:50pm Pacific time.
>>     
>
> Apparently a runaway beacon of some sort, probably for propagation
> reporting. Since it was reported at 77K feet and is now under 37K
> and descending, I would suspect some sort of underfilled gas
> balloon.
>
> Bill
>
>
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 22 08:57:52 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:57:52 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap
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It looks as if Leprechaun's Leap might be delayed due to more rain since 
the forecast this morning calls for an 80 percent chance of it.  I'll be 
at the launch site at 10am anyway.

"Showers likely this morning...then showers this afternoon. Highs in the 
upper 40s and lower 50s. Southeast wind to 10 mph becoming southwest 
this afternoon."

Currently the temperature is 41 deg. F. with winds out of the SE at 2mph 
with barometric pressure at 29.83"Hg and rising.  The viz is 10 miles 
but the cloud ceiling has three layers at 1700, 3100, and 5500 feet AGL.

Global warming did rear its ugly head in Seattle yesterday creating a 
record report.  http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/508.html#REC

Anyone else planning to be out there this morning?

Robert

william carpenter wrote:
> Hello All,
>  
> As a trial run of the technology before April, I'll be doing a live webcast of the Leprechaun's Leap Launch (assuming it isn't rained out again.
>  
> The broadcast is scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM on the day of the launch and it will go until at least noon. To view the webcast, go to the following URL.
>  
> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
>  
>  
> Read the "Latest Updates" ticker to get the latest status on whether or not I'll be attending. If all looks good, click the "Simav8r's Rocket Stream" link. It'll take you to my channel on UStream.
>  
> Be aware that the internet on my end might not be that good. I'll be doing all I can to make it go smoothly, but there's only so much I can do.
>  
> If you're not attending the launch, then please take a look at the webcast. I want to see if it works and get all the bugs worked out before I head out to Mansfield in April.
>  
> Regards, William Carpenter A.K.A. "Simav8r"
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From appusher at q.com  Sun Mar 22 09:54:43 2009
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:54:43 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
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You are The Man, John.

 

Adult Beverage preference is regional.

 

Fun is good.











 EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
Join me


 
> From: jjarmitage at earthlink.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:51:40 -0700
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> Well, I have to admit, the quality of the entertainment improved with the
> inverse of the remaining tequila.
> 
> Bill, Dave: I'll keep the coffee on late again
> 
> john
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Wright [mailto:bradwr at wrightholdings.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:16 PM
> To: John Armitage; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> And why in the world would you need ear plugs John???
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Armitage <jjarmitage at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:53 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> Hmmm,
> 
> Let's see...
> 
> Still rebuilding from October: split body tube, delaminated fin, cracked fin
> can, broken shock cords and mounts, pride...uh-huh, fun
> 
> But, building 3 new birds:
> 
> Michael: a 48" as yet unnamed 29mm mount 8 fin
> Allyne: Bill and Dave put her up to build her L2 kit and they will provide a
> skyripper hybrid to shove it
> Me: a 4" 8' payloader
> 
> How many days till Tune-Up?
> 
> (and don't forget the earplugs ;-))
> 
> John, Allyne, Michael
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Angela Innes
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
> 
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :)
> 
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.
> Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
> 
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get
> out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!
> LOL!
> 
> Cheers everyone!
> 
> Red
> 
> 
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> From: jjarmitage at earthlink.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:51:40 -0700
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> Well, I have to admit, the quality of the entertainment improved with the
> inverse of the remaining tequila.
>
> Bill, Dave: I'll keep the coffee on late again
>
> john
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Wright [mailto:bradwr at wrightholdings.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:16 PM
> To: John Armitage; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> And why in the world would you need ear plugs John???
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Armitage <jjarmitage at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:53 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> Hmmm,
>
> Let's see...
>
> Still rebuilding from October: split body tube, delaminated fin, cracked fin
> can, broken shock cords and mounts, pride...uh-huh, fun
>
> But, building 3 new birds:
>
> Michael: a 48" as yet unnamed 29mm mount 8 fin
> Allyne: Bill and Dave put her up to build her L2 kit and they will provide a
> skyripper hybrid to shove it
> Me: a 4" 8' payloader
>
> How many days till Tune-Up?
>
> (and don't forget the earplugs ;-))
>
> John, Allyne, Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Angela Innes
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun Stuff....
>
> So i thought hey lets talk about good fun stuff as we get closer to FITS! :)
>
> So who is coming, what are you bringing, anything new you plan to put up.
> Any new cert flights, anything unusual you are planning on flying?
>
> I am putting together my Level II as we speak and I am very excited to get
> out to the launch and see some old friends and dont forget Pirate Karaoke!
> LOL!
>
> Cheers everyone!
>
> Red
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From aaronfogg at gmail.com  Sun Mar 22 10:50:00 2009
From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:50:00 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap
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I Seeeeee yooooou. :)

In case some don't know there is a live webcam at 60 Acres.

http://60acres.org/northcamera.html


Aaron F.

On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Hammer
<hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>wrote:

> It looks as if Leprechaun's Leap might be delayed due to more rain since
> the forecast this morning calls for an 80 percent chance of it.  I'll be
> at the launch site at 10am anyway.
>
> "Showers likely this morning...then showers this afternoon. Highs in the
> upper 40s and lower 50s. Southeast wind to 10 mph becoming southwest
> this afternoon."
>
> Currently the temperature is 41 deg. F. with winds out of the SE at 2mph
> with barometric pressure at 29.83"Hg and rising.  The viz is 10 miles
> but the cloud ceiling has three layers at 1700, 3100, and 5500 feet AGL.
>
> Global warming did rear its ugly head in Seattle yesterday creating a
> record report.  http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/508.html#REC
>
> Anyone else planning to be out there this morning?
>
> Robert
>
> william carpenter wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > As a trial run of the technology before April, I'll be doing a live
> webcast of the Leprechaun's Leap Launch (assuming it isn't rained out again.
> >
> > The broadcast is scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM on the day of the launch
> and it will go until at least noon. To view the webcast, go to the following
> URL.
> >
> > http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
> >
> >
> > Read the "Latest Updates" ticker to get the latest status on whether or
> not I'll be attending. If all looks good, click the "Simav8r's Rocket
> Stream" link. It'll take you to my channel on UStream.
> >
> > Be aware that the internet on my end might not be that good. I'll be
> doing all I can to make it go smoothly, but there's only so much I can do.
> >
> > If you're not attending the launch, then please take a look at the
> webcast. I want to see if it works and get all the bugs worked out before I
> head out to Mansfield in April.
> >
> > Regards, William Carpenter A.K.A. "Simav8r"
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http://60acres.org/northcamera.html http://60acres.org/northcamera.html
Aaron F.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Hammer
< mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>
wrote:
It looks as if Leprechaun's Leap might be delayed due to more rain since
the forecast this morning calls for an 80 percent chance of it. ?I'll be
at the launch site at 10am anyway.
"Showers likely this morning...then showers this afternoon. Highs in the
upper 40s and lower 50s. Southeast wind to 10 mph becoming southwest
this afternoon."
Currently the temperature is 41 deg. F. with winds out of the SE at 2mph
with barometric pressure at 29.83"Hg and rising. ?The viz is 10 miles
but the cloud ceiling has three layers at 1700, 3100, and 5500 feet AGL.
Global warming did rear its ugly head in Seattle yesterday creating a
record report. ? http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/508.html#REC http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/508.html#REC
Anyone else planning to be out there this morning?
Robert
william carpenter wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> As a trial run of the technology before April, I'll be doing a live webcast of the Leprechaun's Leap Launch (assuming it isn't rained out again.
>
> The broadcast is scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM on the day of the launch and it will go until at least noon. To view the webcast, go to the following URL.
>
> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
>
>
> Read the "Latest Updates" ticker to get the latest status on whether or not I'll be attending. If all looks good, click the "Simav8r's Rocket Stream" link. It'll take you to my channel on UStream.
>
> Be aware that the internet on my end might not be that good. I'll be doing all I can to make it go smoothly, but there's only so much I can do.
>
> If you're not attending the launch, then please take a look at the webcast. I want to see if it works and get all the bugs worked out before I head out to Mansfield in April.
>
> Regards, William Carpenter A.K.A. "Simav8r"
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From faderlk at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 22 14:44:06 2009
From: faderlk at hotmail.com (william carpenter)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:44:06 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap Live Webcast
Message-ID: <COL104-W613A97A8242373B919DEA2BC950@phx.gbl>


Hello All,

 

If you haven't already noticed, there wasn't a webcast today. I have to take the ferry to get to 60 Acres, so if there is even the slightest chance of bad weather I don't. Sorry if I disappointed anybody.

 

Regards, William Carpenter

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If you haven't already noticed, there wasn't a webcast today. I have to take the ferry to get to 60 Acres, so if there is even the slightest chance of bad weather I don't. Sorry if I disappointed anybody.
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From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Sun Mar 22 19:02:18 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:02:18 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ingraham TARC--Leprechaun's Leap Launch Log
References: <COL104-W558DAD086F6FA8E7B8F992BC940@phx.gbl><49C66000.8030703@earthlink.net>
	<e1e3ba0b0903221050g7eca5410w7e4ee87bd869bb40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A2C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

Took my students out to do some test launches of their TARC vehicles.  The launch was pretty sparsely populated, but we had some "fun" anyway.
 
Alpha Company got off two shots on F52-5T motors:  one flew absolutely straight up and hit 774 feet with a landing time of 41.5 seconds (we knew the parachute was too small, but the student custom sewing their real chute isn't done yet, so they used the closest one they had.)  The other had a delay grain blow-by and ejected under power.  Thankfully, no zipper.  Since almost all the members of Alpha are returning members of last year's Finals team, they're in decent shape.
 
Charlie Company got off two shots as well.  On the first one, their F22-5J turned out to have shipped with an 8 second delay grain in it.  They were too heavy (way too heavy) and weathercocked badly, so they only got to 490 feet, and they were lucky to have their chute deploy about 50 feet above the ground.  Thankfully, no zipper.  Their second flight, they didn't want to trust the same F22 motors, so they used a F20-7W (they knew the delay was too long, but they wanted to fly a second time to gather some additional data on their logging altimeter).  This time, their rocket weathercocked the wrong way and flew WITH the wind downrange.  Weird.  None of us could explain it....  Good flight, though.  Having been within 10 feet of their target at a previous launch, Charlie is looking like they're in decent shape.
 
Bravo Company.  Poor Bravo company.  If it weren't for bad luck, they'd have no luck at all.  While Charlie was rolling their F22 motor, Bravo was rolling theirs at the same time.  Their launch lugs stuck on the rod for about a second of their burn.  Once it broke free of the rod, they only managed about 200 feet altitude before the burn cut out.  Their rocket PRANGed on the midline of the road, then the motor ejected a second or two later.  Nosecone and payload bay are total losses, but the booster is still in perfect shape.  About two lunch periods of work, and they'll be right as rain.
 
Hopefully, the kids will do whatever they have to do to exorcise the demons from their airframes and appease the rocket gods.  If we can get some decent weather over the next couple of weeks, they might be able to put it all together and get themselves qualified.  Cross your fingers for them.
 
Pete

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Aaron Fogg
Sent: Sun 3/22/2009 10:50 AM
To: Hammer
Cc: Rockets Northwest
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap



I Seeeeee yooooou. :)

In case some don't know there is a live webcam at 60 Acres.

http://60acres.org/northcamera.html


Aaron F.

On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Hammer
<hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>wrote:

> It looks as if Leprechaun's Leap might be delayed due to more rain since
> the forecast this morning calls for an 80 percent chance of it.  I'll be
> at the launch site at 10am anyway.
>
> "Showers likely this morning...then showers this afternoon. Highs in the
> upper 40s and lower 50s. Southeast wind to 10 mph becoming southwest
> this afternoon."
>
> Currently the temperature is 41 deg. F. with winds out of the SE at 2mph
> with barometric pressure at 29.83"Hg and rising.  The viz is 10 miles
> but the cloud ceiling has three layers at 1700, 3100, and 5500 feet AGL.
>
> Global warming did rear its ugly head in Seattle yesterday creating a
> record report.  http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/508.html#REC
>
> Anyone else planning to be out there this morning?
>
> Robert
>
> william carpenter wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > As a trial run of the technology before April, I'll be doing a live
> webcast of the Leprechaun's Leap Launch (assuming it isn't rained out again.
> >
> > The broadcast is scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM on the day of the launch
> and it will go until at least noon. To view the webcast, go to the following
> URL.
> >
> > http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
> >
> >
> > Read the "Latest Updates" ticker to get the latest status on whether or
> not I'll be attending. If all looks good, click the "Simav8r's Rocket
> Stream" link. It'll take you to my channel on UStream.
> >
> > Be aware that the internet on my end might not be that good. I'll be
> doing all I can to make it go smoothly, but there's only so much I can do.
> >
> > If you're not attending the launch, then please take a look at the
> webcast. I want to see if it works and get all the bugs worked out before I
> head out to Mansfield in April.
> >
> > Regards, William Carpenter A.K.A. "Simav8r"
> > Get quick access to your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8.
> http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701ADownload FREE now!
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From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Sun Mar 22 19:07:11 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:07:11 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ingraham TARC--Leprechaun's Leap Launch Log
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Any other TARC teachers or mentors out there?  How are your teams doing?

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Schurke, Peter
Sent: Sun 3/22/2009 7:02 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ingraham TARC--Leprechaun's Leap Launch Log



Took my students out to do some test launches of their TARC vehicles.  The launch was pretty sparsely populated, but we had some "fun" anyway.

Alpha Company got off two shots on F52-5T motors:  one flew absolutely straight up and hit 774 feet with a landing time of 41.5 seconds (we knew the parachute was too small, but the student custom sewing their real chute isn't done yet, so they used the closest one they had.)  The other had a delay grain blow-by and ejected under power.  Thankfully, no zipper.  Since almost all the members of Alpha are returning members of last year's Finals team, they're in decent shape.

Charlie Company got off two shots as well.  On the first one, their F22-5J turned out to have shipped with an 8 second delay grain in it.  They were too heavy (way too heavy) and weathercocked badly, so they only got to 490 feet, and they were lucky to have their chute deploy about 50 feet above the ground.  Thankfully, no zipper.  Their second flight, they didn't want to trust the same F22 motors, so they used a F20-7W (they knew the delay was too long, but they wanted to fly a second time to gather some additional data on their logging altimeter).  This time, their rocket weathercocked the wrong way and flew WITH the wind downrange.  Weird.  None of us could explain it....  Good flight, though.  Having been within 10 feet of their target at a previous launch, Charlie is looking like they're in decent shape.

Bravo Company.  Poor Bravo company.  If it weren't for bad luck, they'd have no luck at all.  While Charlie was rolling their F22 motor, Bravo was rolling theirs at the same time.  Their launch lugs stuck on the rod for about a second of their burn.  Once it broke free of the rod, they only managed about 200 feet altitude before the burn cut out.  Their rocket PRANGed on the midline of the road, then the motor ejected a second or two later.  Nosecone and payload bay are total losses, but the booster is still in perfect shape.  About two lunch periods of work, and they'll be right as rain.

Hopefully, the kids will do whatever they have to do to exorcise the demons from their airframes and appease the rocket gods.  If we can get some decent weather over the next couple of weeks, they might be able to put it all together and get themselves qualified.  Cross your fingers for them.

Pete

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Aaron Fogg
Sent: Sun 3/22/2009 10:50 AM
To: Hammer
Cc: Rockets Northwest
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap



I Seeeeee yooooou. :)

In case some don't know there is a live webcam at 60 Acres.

http://60acres.org/northcamera.html


Aaron F.

On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Hammer
<hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>wrote:

> It looks as if Leprechaun's Leap might be delayed due to more rain since
> the forecast this morning calls for an 80 percent chance of it.  I'll be
> at the launch site at 10am anyway.
>
> "Showers likely this morning...then showers this afternoon. Highs in the
> upper 40s and lower 50s. Southeast wind to 10 mph becoming southwest
> this afternoon."
>
> Currently the temperature is 41 deg. F. with winds out of the SE at 2mph
> with barometric pressure at 29.83"Hg and rising.  The viz is 10 miles
> but the cloud ceiling has three layers at 1700, 3100, and 5500 feet AGL.
>
> Global warming did rear its ugly head in Seattle yesterday creating a
> record report.  http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/508.html#REC
>
> Anyone else planning to be out there this morning?
>
> Robert
>
> william carpenter wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > As a trial run of the technology before April, I'll be doing a live
> webcast of the Leprechaun's Leap Launch (assuming it isn't rained out again.
> >
> > The broadcast is scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM on the day of the launch
> and it will go until at least noon. To view the webcast, go to the following
> URL.
> >
> > http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
> >
> >
> > Read the "Latest Updates" ticker to get the latest status on whether or
> not I'll be attending. If all looks good, click the "Simav8r's Rocket
> Stream" link. It'll take you to my channel on UStream.
> >
> > Be aware that the internet on my end might not be that good. I'll be
> doing all I can to make it go smoothly, but there's only so much I can do.
> >
> > If you're not attending the launch, then please take a look at the
> webcast. I want to see if it works and get all the bugs worked out before I
> head out to Mansfield in April.
> >
> > Regards, William Carpenter A.K.A. "Simav8r"
> > Get quick access to your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8.
> http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701ADownload FREE now!
> >
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 22 20:32:05 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:32:05 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] [OT] BigRedBee over the atlantic
In-Reply-To: <3257.208.51.52.12.1237764250.squirrel@webmail.peak.org>
References: <bf3fe8020903212250o2dfdc79an1ba1b09f5ba58a25@mail.gmail.com>	<bf3fe8020903212308h5eed4b12rf8b70dd2238a4556@mail.gmail.com>
	<2573.208.51.52.12.1237711284.squirrel@webmail.peak.org>
	<49C659B8.7020700@earthlink.net>
	<3257.208.51.52.12.1237764250.squirrel@webmail.peak.org>
Message-ID: <49C702B5.8040309@earthlink.net>

That flight was over 33 hours long.  They had to cut it short due to 
being too close to Gander Int'l. Airport, Newfoundland, but they did 
abort the flight over land.  Looks like the Big Red Bee did a great job!

Robert

Bill Nelson wrote:
>> The flight is called Project Blue Horizon Increment 3.
>>
>> There is a Twitter page https://explore.twitter.com/PBH3 that is
>>     
>
> Thanks for the link.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>   


From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 22 20:46:02 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:46:02 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] [OT] BigRedBee over the atlantic
In-Reply-To: <bf3fe8020903222036n77a3aab6x7332480646ffbb90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf3fe8020903212250o2dfdc79an1ba1b09f5ba58a25@mail.gmail.com>	
	<bf3fe8020903212308h5eed4b12rf8b70dd2238a4556@mail.gmail.com>	
	<2573.208.51.52.12.1237711284.squirrel@webmail.peak.org>	
	<49C659B8.7020700@earthlink.net>	
	<3257.208.51.52.12.1237764250.squirrel@webmail.peak.org>	
	<49C702B5.8040309@earthlink.net>
	<bf3fe8020903222036n77a3aab6x7332480646ffbb90@mail.gmail.com>
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IIRC, their record is about 40 hours.  I think this pretty much proves 
you have a quality product that can withstand the rigors of rocket 
flight and the super cold temperatures of high altitude balloon flights 
where the temps can dip down to as low as -70 degrees F.  Just make sure 
you always use lithium batteries.

I guess the next available upgrade for it should be a salt water proof case.

Robert

Greg Clark wrote:
> Wahoo -- I'll have to admit -- this was a cool flight -- not often
> that you get to see one last this long.
>
> -- Greg
>
> On 3/22/09, Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net> wrote:
>   
>> That flight was over 33 hours long.  They had to cut it short due to
>>  being too close to Gander Int'l. Airport, Newfoundland, but they did
>>  abort the flight over land.  Looks like the Big Red Bee did a great job!
>>
>>  Robert
>>
>>
>>  Bill Nelson wrote:
>>  >> The flight is called Project Blue Horizon Increment 3.
>>  >>
>>  >> There is a Twitter page https://explore.twitter.com/PBH3 that is
>>  >>
>>  >
>>
>>     
>>> Thanks for the link.
>>>       
>>  > Bill
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>
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>>  Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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>>
>>     
>
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From bwhitemarsh at comcast.net  Sun Mar 22 21:10:48 2009
From: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net (Bryan Whitemarsh)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:10:48 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ingraham TARC--Leprechaun's Leap Launch Log -- with
	pictures
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A2C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <COL104-W558DAD086F6FA8E7B8F992BC940@phx.gbl><49C66000.8030703@earthlink.net><e1e3ba0b0903221050g7eca5410w7e4ee87bd869bb40@mail.gmail.com>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A2C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
Message-ID: <D1993E4BFF86479A8B4EA1B3D69681FF@BryanPC>

Not a bad day of launches considering the weather.  Two muffed launches on
Blackjack motors, both ended up pranging on the street, causing quite a bit
of damage.  What are the odds?  Some photos of the happenings can be found
here:

http://bwhitemarsh.smugmug.com/gallery/7691675_4vuQQ/1/496877804_tCNZD#P-1-2
0

Pete -- I have more shots of your kids' flights if you are interested.

Bryan Whitemarsh.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:02 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ingraham TARC--Leprechaun's Leap Launch Log

Took my students out to do some test launches of their TARC vehicles.  The
launch was pretty sparsely populated, but we had some "fun" anyway.
 
Alpha Company got off two shots on F52-5T motors:  one flew absolutely
straight up and hit 774 feet with a landing time of 41.5 seconds (we knew
the parachute was too small, but the student custom sewing their real chute
isn't done yet, so they used the closest one they had.)  The other had a
delay grain blow-by and ejected under power.  Thankfully, no zipper.  Since
almost all the members of Alpha are returning members of last year's Finals
team, they're in decent shape.
 
Charlie Company got off two shots as well.  On the first one, their F22-5J
turned out to have shipped with an 8 second delay grain in it.  They were
too heavy (way too heavy) and weathercocked badly, so they only got to 490
feet, and they were lucky to have their chute deploy about 50 feet above the
ground.  Thankfully, no zipper.  Their second flight, they didn't want to
trust the same F22 motors, so they used a F20-7W (they knew the delay was
too long, but they wanted to fly a second time to gather some additional
data on their logging altimeter).  This time, their rocket weathercocked the
wrong way and flew WITH the wind downrange.  Weird.  None of us could
explain it....  Good flight, though.  Having been within 10 feet of their
target at a previous launch, Charlie is looking like they're in decent
shape.
 
Bravo Company.  Poor Bravo company.  If it weren't for bad luck, they'd have
no luck at all.  While Charlie was rolling their F22 motor, Bravo was
rolling theirs at the same time.  Their launch lugs stuck on the rod for
about a second of their burn.  Once it broke free of the rod, they only
managed about 200 feet altitude before the burn cut out.  Their rocket
PRANGed on the midline of the road, then the motor ejected a second or two
later.  Nosecone and payload bay are total losses, but the booster is still
in perfect shape.  About two lunch periods of work, and they'll be right as
rain.
 
Hopefully, the kids will do whatever they have to do to exorcise the demons
from their airframes and appease the rocket gods.  If we can get some decent
weather over the next couple of weeks, they might be able to put it all
together and get themselves qualified.  Cross your fingers for them.
 
Pete

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Aaron Fogg
Sent: Sun 3/22/2009 10:50 AM
To: Hammer
Cc: Rockets Northwest
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap



I Seeeeee yooooou. :)

In case some don't know there is a live webcam at 60 Acres.

http://60acres.org/northcamera.html


Aaron F.

On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Hammer
<hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>wrote:

> It looks as if Leprechaun's Leap might be delayed due to more rain 
> since the forecast this morning calls for an 80 percent chance of it.  
> I'll be at the launch site at 10am anyway.
>
> "Showers likely this morning...then showers this afternoon. Highs in 
> the upper 40s and lower 50s. Southeast wind to 10 mph becoming 
> southwest this afternoon."
>
> Currently the temperature is 41 deg. F. with winds out of the SE at 
> 2mph with barometric pressure at 29.83"Hg and rising.  The viz is 10 
> miles but the cloud ceiling has three layers at 1700, 3100, and 5500 feet
AGL.
>
> Global warming did rear its ugly head in Seattle yesterday creating a 
> record report.  http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/508.html#REC
>
> Anyone else planning to be out there this morning?
>
> Robert
>
> william carpenter wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > As a trial run of the technology before April, I'll be doing a live
> webcast of the Leprechaun's Leap Launch (assuming it isn't rained out
again.
> >
> > The broadcast is scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM on the day of the 
> > launch
> and it will go until at least noon. To view the webcast, go to the 
> following URL.
> >
> > http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
> >
> >
> > Read the "Latest Updates" ticker to get the latest status on whether 
> > or
> not I'll be attending. If all looks good, click the "Simav8r's Rocket 
> Stream" link. It'll take you to my channel on UStream.
> >
> > Be aware that the internet on my end might not be that good. I'll be
> doing all I can to make it go smoothly, but there's only so much I can do.
> >
> > If you're not attending the launch, then please take a look at the
> webcast. I want to see if it works and get all the bugs worked out 
> before I head out to Mansfield in April.
> >
> > Regards, William Carpenter A.K.A. "Simav8r"
> > Get quick access to your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8.
>
http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN
55C0701ADownload FREE now!
> >
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 22 21:29:00 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:29:00 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ingraham TARC--Leprechaun's Leap Launch Log
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A2C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <COL104-W558DAD086F6FA8E7B8F992BC940@phx.gbl><49C66000.8030703@earthlink.net>	<e1e3ba0b0903221050g7eca5410w7e4ee87bd869bb40@mail.gmail.com>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A2C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
Message-ID: <49C7100C.1080906@earthlink.net>

Glad you could make it out to the launch, Brian, and thank you for the 
photos.  Great flight report, Peter.  When is the last day for TARC 
qualifications?

This concludes the Leprechaun's Leap launch.  I hope it is a little 
drier next year.

The next launch will be on 12APR09 which happens to be the same day that 
Yuri Gagarin was launched in to space on 12APR61.

Mr. Carpenter, would you like bring your webcam out and test it at this 
launch for a shake down run before Spring Tune Up the following weekend?

Anyone have ideas for a name for the April 60 Acres launch?

Robert

Schurke, Peter wrote:
> Took my students out to do some test launches of their TARC vehicles.  The launch was pretty sparsely populated, but we had some "fun" anyway.
>  
> Alpha Company got off two shots on F52-5T motors:  one flew absolutely straight up and hit 774 feet with a landing time of 41.5 seconds (we knew the parachute was too small, but the student custom sewing their real chute isn't done yet, so they used the closest one they had.)  The other had a delay grain blow-by and ejected under power.  Thankfully, no zipper.  Since almost all the members of Alpha are returning members of last year's Finals team, they're in decent shape.
>  
> Charlie Company got off two shots as well.  On the first one, their F22-5J turned out to have shipped with an 8 second delay grain in it.  They were too heavy (way too heavy) and weathercocked badly, so they only got to 490 feet, and they were lucky to have their chute deploy about 50 feet above the ground.  Thankfully, no zipper.  Their second flight, they didn't want to trust the same F22 motors, so they used a F20-7W (they knew the delay was too long, but they wanted to fly a second time to gather some additional data on their logging altimeter).  This time, their rocket weathercocked the wrong way and flew WITH the wind downrange.  Weird.  None of us could explain it....  Good flight, though.  Having been within 10 feet of their target at a previous launch, Charlie is looking like they're in decent shape.
>  
> Bravo Company.  Poor Bravo company.  If it weren't for bad luck, they'd have no luck at all.  While Charlie was rolling their F22 motor, Bravo was rolling theirs at the same time.  Their launch lugs stuck on the rod for about a second of their burn.  Once it broke free of the rod, they only managed about 200 feet altitude before the burn cut out.  Their rocket PRANGed on the midline of the road, then the motor ejected a second or two later.  Nosecone and payload bay are total losses, but the booster is still in perfect shape.  About two lunch periods of work, and they'll be right as rain.
>  
> Hopefully, the kids will do whatever they have to do to exorcise the demons from their airframes and appease the rocket gods.  If we can get some decent weather over the next couple of weeks, they might be able to put it all together and get themselves qualified.  Cross your fingers for them.
>  
> Pete
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Aaron Fogg
> Sent: Sun 3/22/2009 10:50 AM
> To: Hammer
> Cc: Rockets Northwest
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap
>
>
>
> I Seeeeee yooooou. :)
>
> In case some don't know there is a live webcam at 60 Acres.
>
> http://60acres.org/northcamera.html
>
>
> Aaron F.
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Hammer
> <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>   
>> It looks as if Leprechaun's Leap might be delayed due to more rain since
>> the forecast this morning calls for an 80 percent chance of it.  I'll be
>> at the launch site at 10am anyway.
>>
>> "Showers likely this morning...then showers this afternoon. Highs in the
>> upper 40s and lower 50s. Southeast wind to 10 mph becoming southwest
>> this afternoon."
>>
>> Currently the temperature is 41 deg. F. with winds out of the SE at 2mph
>> with barometric pressure at 29.83"Hg and rising.  The viz is 10 miles
>> but the cloud ceiling has three layers at 1700, 3100, and 5500 feet AGL.
>>
>> Global warming did rear its ugly head in Seattle yesterday creating a
>> record report.  http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/508.html#REC
>>
>> Anyone else planning to be out there this morning?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> william carpenter wrote:
>>     
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> As a trial run of the technology before April, I'll be doing a live
>>>       
>> webcast of the Leprechaun's Leap Launch (assuming it isn't rained out again.
>>     
>>> The broadcast is scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM on the day of the launch
>>>       
>> and it will go until at least noon. To view the webcast, go to the following
>> URL.
>>     
>>> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
>>>       
>> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
>>     
>>> Read the "Latest Updates" ticker to get the latest status on whether or
>>>       
>> not I'll be attending. If all looks good, click the "Simav8r's Rocket
>> Stream" link. It'll take you to my channel on UStream.
>>     
>>> Be aware that the internet on my end might not be that good. I'll be
>>>       
>> doing all I can to make it go smoothly, but there's only so much I can do.
>>     
>>> If you're not attending the launch, then please take a look at the
>>>       
>> webcast. I want to see if it works and get all the bugs worked out before I
>> head out to Mansfield in April.
>>     
>>> Regards, William Carpenter A.K.A. "Simav8r"
>>> Get quick access to your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8.
>>>       
>> http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701ADownload FREE now!
>>     
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From bclugston1 at comcast.net  Sun Mar 22 21:52:56 2009
From: bclugston1 at comcast.net (William Clugston)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:52:56 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] new aerotech motor!
In-Reply-To: <7365D4E35FD0470981A11BA728DA5887@Mobile2>
References: <a06240804c5ea198e2d9f@[10.0.1.78]>
	<7365D4E35FD0470981A11BA728DA5887@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <B2ED9642-D687-4DBA-88C6-3F94FA538390@comcast.net>

Hmm,
I have a Hawks Hobby Cherokee 3D that would be ideal for that motor :-)

Need to start building ...

Bill Clugston
bclugston1 at comcast.net
http://www.earthskystars.net (Rocketry and Astronomy)



On Mar 20, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Scott T Bowers wrote:

> That is an awesome little motor!
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets- 
> bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Bob Grossfeld
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:12 PM
> To: rockets northwest
> Subject: [RocketsNW] new aerotech motor!
>
> ENJOY...
>
> AeroTech Unveils New 24mm Single-Use Motor at NARCON 2009
>
> AeroTech will announce its first new 24mm single-use motor since  
> 2001, the
> 24 X 95mm Blue Thunder? F32T, on 3/20/09 during NARCON 2009 in  
> Wethersfield,
> CT (http://www.catorockets.org/NARCON2009/index.htm).
>
> The F32T features an all-new molded phenolic casing with a built-in  
> thrust
> ring, a new molded plastic bulkhead and uses a specially-optimized  
> version
> of AeroTech's Blue Thunder propellant which delivers an astounding  
> specific
> impulse of 225 seconds! The F32T produces a beautiful translucent blue
> exhaust plume with "mach diamonds" similar to the redesigned G80T.  
> With a
> propellant weight of only 25.8 grams, the F32T may be shipped via  
> U.S. Mail
> Parcel Post? with no hazmat fee. The F32T will be available in  
> three time
> delays: F32-4T (P/N 63204), F32-6T (P/N 63206) and F32-8T (P/N 63208)
>
> The National Association of Rocketry (NAR) certified total impulse  
> for the
> F32T is 56.9 N-sec. The 225 second delivered Isp is the highest ever
> recorded for a NAR-certified model rocket motor. Other statistics  
> include a
> burn time of 1.66 seconds, an average thrust of 34.1 newtons, peak  
> thrust of
> 61.9 newtons, propellant mass of 25.8 grams and an initial mass of  
> 65 grams.
> It may be used interchangeably in kits designed for other 24 X 95mm  
> motors
> such as the black powder E9. The F32T has the same initial mass as  
> the E9,
> but delivers over twice the total impulse.
>
> The F32T single-use motor will be available from AeroTech and its  
> dealers at
> an introductory retail price of $15.90 each. The F32T has already been
> approved by the California Office of the State Fire Marshal (OSFM)  
> for sale
> and use by California consumers.
>
> Motor instructions, the official NAR certification document and the  
> OSFM
> approval for the F32T will be available for download in PDF format  
> from the
> Resource Library on the AeroTech website at http://www.aerotech- 
> rocketry.com
> on 3/20/09.
>
>
> Product Information Summary:
>
> 1. Product description and application: 24 X 95mm (.938" diameter X  
> 3.75"
> long) F32-4T, F32-6T, F32-8T composite propellant single-use model  
> rocket
> motors for use in model rocket kits designed for black powder 'E'  
> motors
>
> 2. Category or target market: Mid-power model rocketry
>
> 3. Number of pieces or skill level (if applicable): Skill level 3
>
> 4. Age rating: 16 and above
>
> 5. Special features: One-piece molded case with built in aft thrust  
> ring;
> highest performance composite model rocket propellant ever  
> certified; first
> new 24mm single-use motor from AeroTech in 8 years; NAR certified;  
> approved
> for sale in California; USPS shippable; special low introductory  
> price; Blue
> Thunder? propellant
>
> 6. Three bullet points: Fits model rockets designed for E9 black  
> powder
> motors; same weight but over twice the power of the E9; stunning  
> composite
> propellant performance and visual and audible effects.
>
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From gbhchrist at verizon.net  Sun Mar 22 22:04:11 2009
From: gbhchrist at verizon.net (George Christ)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:04:11 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] What to call the April 12 launch at 60 Acres
In-Reply-To: <49C7100C.1080906@earthlink.net>
References: <COL104-W558DAD086F6FA8E7B8F992BC940@phx.gbl><49C66000.8030703@earthlink.net><e1e3ba0b0903221050g7eca5410w7e4ee87bd869bb40@mail.gmail.com><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A2C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<49C7100C.1080906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6F6A9AE62E42489090F559064F1CA3D3@LittleGoodBox>

I have not been able to come up with a name that I feel is worth offering 
yet...but the numerological potential of the 48th anniversary of human space 
flight and April 12th on one side of an equation and 60 Acres on the other 
side seems like a natural basis for a great name!

Much as I wish I could bring this to fruition, I offer the seed of the idea 
for others to develop.

George

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hammer" <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ingraham TARC--Leprechaun's Leap Launch Log


> Glad you could make it out to the launch, Brian, and thank you for the
> photos.  Great flight report, Peter.  When is the last day for TARC
> qualifications?
>
> This concludes the Leprechaun's Leap launch.  I hope it is a little
> drier next year.
>
> The next launch will be on 12APR09 which happens to be the same day that
> Yuri Gagarin was launched in to space on 12APR61.
>
> Mr. Carpenter, would you like bring your webcam out and test it at this
> launch for a shake down run before Spring Tune Up the following weekend?
>
> Anyone have ideas for a name for the April 60 Acres launch?
>
> Robert
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>> Took my students out to do some test launches of their TARC vehicles. 
>> The launch was pretty sparsely populated, but we had some "fun" anyway.
>>
>> Alpha Company got off two shots on F52-5T motors:  one flew absolutely 
>> straight up and hit 774 feet with a landing time of 41.5 seconds (we knew 
>> the parachute was too small, but the student custom sewing their real 
>> chute isn't done yet, so they used the closest one they had.)  The other 
>> had a delay grain blow-by and ejected under power.  Thankfully, no 
>> zipper.  Since almost all the members of Alpha are returning members of 
>> last year's Finals team, they're in decent shape.
>>
>> Charlie Company got off two shots as well.  On the first one, their 
>> F22-5J turned out to have shipped with an 8 second delay grain in it. 
>> They were too heavy (way too heavy) and weathercocked badly, so they only 
>> got to 490 feet, and they were lucky to have their chute deploy about 50 
>> feet above the ground.  Thankfully, no zipper.  Their second flight, they 
>> didn't want to trust the same F22 motors, so they used a F20-7W (they 
>> knew the delay was too long, but they wanted to fly a second time to 
>> gather some additional data on their logging altimeter).  This time, 
>> their rocket weathercocked the wrong way and flew WITH the wind 
>> downrange.  Weird.  None of us could explain it....  Good flight, though. 
>> Having been within 10 feet of their target at a previous launch, Charlie 
>> is looking like they're in decent shape.
>>
>> Bravo Company.  Poor Bravo company.  If it weren't for bad luck, they'd 
>> have no luck at all.  While Charlie was rolling their F22 motor, Bravo 
>> was rolling theirs at the same time.  Their launch lugs stuck on the rod 
>> for about a second of their burn.  Once it broke free of the rod, they 
>> only managed about 200 feet altitude before the burn cut out.  Their 
>> rocket PRANGed on the midline of the road, then the motor ejected a 
>> second or two later.  Nosecone and payload bay are total losses, but the 
>> booster is still in perfect shape.  About two lunch periods of work, and 
>> they'll be right as rain.
>>
>> Hopefully, the kids will do whatever they have to do to exorcise the 
>> demons from their airframes and appease the rocket gods.  If we can get 
>> some decent weather over the next couple of weeks, they might be able to 
>> put it all together and get themselves qualified.  Cross your fingers for 
>> them.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Aaron Fogg
>> Sent: Sun 3/22/2009 10:50 AM
>> To: Hammer
>> Cc: Rockets Northwest
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap
>>
>>
>>
>> I Seeeeee yooooou. :)
>>
>> In case some don't know there is a live webcam at 60 Acres.
>>
>> http://60acres.org/northcamera.html
>>
>>
>> Aaron F.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Hammer
>> <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It looks as if Leprechaun's Leap might be delayed due to more rain since
>>> the forecast this morning calls for an 80 percent chance of it.  I'll be
>>> at the launch site at 10am anyway.
>>>
>>> "Showers likely this morning...then showers this afternoon. Highs in the
>>> upper 40s and lower 50s. Southeast wind to 10 mph becoming southwest
>>> this afternoon."
>>>
>>> Currently the temperature is 41 deg. F. with winds out of the SE at 2mph
>>> with barometric pressure at 29.83"Hg and rising.  The viz is 10 miles
>>> but the cloud ceiling has three layers at 1700, 3100, and 5500 feet AGL.
>>>
>>> Global warming did rear its ugly head in Seattle yesterday creating a
>>> record report.  http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/508.html#REC
>>>
>>> Anyone else planning to be out there this morning?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> william carpenter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> As a trial run of the technology before April, I'll be doing a live
>>>>
>>> webcast of the Leprechaun's Leap Launch (assuming it isn't rained out 
>>> again.
>>>
>>>> The broadcast is scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM on the day of the 
>>>> launch
>>>>
>>> and it will go until at least noon. To view the webcast, go to the 
>>> following
>>> URL.
>>>
>>>> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
>>>>
>>> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
>>>
>>>> Read the "Latest Updates" ticker to get the latest status on whether or
>>>>
>>> not I'll be attending. If all looks good, click the "Simav8r's Rocket
>>> Stream" link. It'll take you to my channel on UStream.
>>>
>>>> Be aware that the internet on my end might not be that good. I'll be
>>>>
>>> doing all I can to make it go smoothly, but there's only so much I can 
>>> do.
>>>
>>>> If you're not attending the launch, then please take a look at the
>>>>
>>> webcast. I want to see if it works and get all the bugs worked out 
>>> before I
>>> head out to Mansfield in April.
>>>
>>>> Regards, William Carpenter A.K.A. "Simav8r"
>>>> Get quick access to your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8.
>>>>
>>> http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701ADownload 
>>> FREE now!
>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rockets mailing list
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>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>
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From gbhchrist at verizon.net  Sun Mar 22 22:04:11 2009
From: gbhchrist at verizon.net (George Christ)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:04:11 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] What to call the April 12 launch at 60 Acres
In-Reply-To: <49C7100C.1080906@earthlink.net>
References: <COL104-W558DAD086F6FA8E7B8F992BC940@phx.gbl><49C66000.8030703@earthlink.net><e1e3ba0b0903221050g7eca5410w7e4ee87bd869bb40@mail.gmail.com><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A2C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<49C7100C.1080906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3A1823258E6046C4BA3215BAA5ED9A92@LittleGoodBox>

I have not been able to come up with a name that I feel is worth offering 
yet...but the numerological potential of the 48th anniversary of human space 
flight and April 12th on one side of an equation and 60 Acres on the other 
side seems like a natural basis for a great name!

Much as I wish I could bring this to fruition, I offer the seed of the idea 
for others to develop.

George

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hammer" <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ingraham TARC--Leprechaun's Leap Launch Log


> Glad you could make it out to the launch, Brian, and thank you for the
> photos.  Great flight report, Peter.  When is the last day for TARC
> qualifications?
>
> This concludes the Leprechaun's Leap launch.  I hope it is a little
> drier next year.
>
> The next launch will be on 12APR09 which happens to be the same day that
> Yuri Gagarin was launched in to space on 12APR61.
>
> Mr. Carpenter, would you like bring your webcam out and test it at this
> launch for a shake down run before Spring Tune Up the following weekend?
>
> Anyone have ideas for a name for the April 60 Acres launch?
>
> Robert
>
> Schurke, Peter wrote:
>> Took my students out to do some test launches of their TARC vehicles. 
>> The launch was pretty sparsely populated, but we had some "fun" anyway.
>>
>> Alpha Company got off two shots on F52-5T motors:  one flew absolutely 
>> straight up and hit 774 feet with a landing time of 41.5 seconds (we knew 
>> the parachute was too small, but the student custom sewing their real 
>> chute isn't done yet, so they used the closest one they had.)  The other 
>> had a delay grain blow-by and ejected under power.  Thankfully, no 
>> zipper.  Since almost all the members of Alpha are returning members of 
>> last year's Finals team, they're in decent shape.
>>
>> Charlie Company got off two shots as well.  On the first one, their 
>> F22-5J turned out to have shipped with an 8 second delay grain in it. 
>> They were too heavy (way too heavy) and weathercocked badly, so they only 
>> got to 490 feet, and they were lucky to have their chute deploy about 50 
>> feet above the ground.  Thankfully, no zipper.  Their second flight, they 
>> didn't want to trust the same F22 motors, so they used a F20-7W (they 
>> knew the delay was too long, but they wanted to fly a second time to 
>> gather some additional data on their logging altimeter).  This time, 
>> their rocket weathercocked the wrong way and flew WITH the wind 
>> downrange.  Weird.  None of us could explain it....  Good flight, though. 
>> Having been within 10 feet of their target at a previous launch, Charlie 
>> is looking like they're in decent shape.
>>
>> Bravo Company.  Poor Bravo company.  If it weren't for bad luck, they'd 
>> have no luck at all.  While Charlie was rolling their F22 motor, Bravo 
>> was rolling theirs at the same time.  Their launch lugs stuck on the rod 
>> for about a second of their burn.  Once it broke free of the rod, they 
>> only managed about 200 feet altitude before the burn cut out.  Their 
>> rocket PRANGed on the midline of the road, then the motor ejected a 
>> second or two later.  Nosecone and payload bay are total losses, but the 
>> booster is still in perfect shape.  About two lunch periods of work, and 
>> they'll be right as rain.
>>
>> Hopefully, the kids will do whatever they have to do to exorcise the 
>> demons from their airframes and appease the rocket gods.  If we can get 
>> some decent weather over the next couple of weeks, they might be able to 
>> put it all together and get themselves qualified.  Cross your fingers for 
>> them.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Aaron Fogg
>> Sent: Sun 3/22/2009 10:50 AM
>> To: Hammer
>> Cc: Rockets Northwest
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap
>>
>>
>>
>> I Seeeeee yooooou. :)
>>
>> In case some don't know there is a live webcam at 60 Acres.
>>
>> http://60acres.org/northcamera.html
>>
>>
>> Aaron F.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Hammer
>> <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It looks as if Leprechaun's Leap might be delayed due to more rain since
>>> the forecast this morning calls for an 80 percent chance of it.  I'll be
>>> at the launch site at 10am anyway.
>>>
>>> "Showers likely this morning...then showers this afternoon. Highs in the
>>> upper 40s and lower 50s. Southeast wind to 10 mph becoming southwest
>>> this afternoon."
>>>
>>> Currently the temperature is 41 deg. F. with winds out of the SE at 2mph
>>> with barometric pressure at 29.83"Hg and rising.  The viz is 10 miles
>>> but the cloud ceiling has three layers at 1700, 3100, and 5500 feet AGL.
>>>
>>> Global warming did rear its ugly head in Seattle yesterday creating a
>>> record report.  http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/508.html#REC
>>>
>>> Anyone else planning to be out there this morning?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> william carpenter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> As a trial run of the technology before April, I'll be doing a live
>>>>
>>> webcast of the Leprechaun's Leap Launch (assuming it isn't rained out 
>>> again.
>>>
>>>> The broadcast is scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM on the day of the 
>>>> launch
>>>>
>>> and it will go until at least noon. To view the webcast, go to the 
>>> following
>>> URL.
>>>
>>>> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
>>>>
>>> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
>>>
>>>> Read the "Latest Updates" ticker to get the latest status on whether or
>>>>
>>> not I'll be attending. If all looks good, click the "Simav8r's Rocket
>>> Stream" link. It'll take you to my channel on UStream.
>>>
>>>> Be aware that the internet on my end might not be that good. I'll be
>>>>
>>> doing all I can to make it go smoothly, but there's only so much I can 
>>> do.
>>>
>>>> If you're not attending the launch, then please take a look at the
>>>>
>>> webcast. I want to see if it works and get all the bugs worked out 
>>> before I
>>> head out to Mansfield in April.
>>>
>>>> Regards, William Carpenter A.K.A. "Simav8r"
>>>> Get quick access to your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8.
>>>>
>>> http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701ADownload 
>>> FREE now!
>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rockets mailing list
>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rockets mailing list
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>
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From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org  Sun Mar 22 22:21:42 2009
From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:21:42 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] AD: March Madness Sale
Message-ID: <a06240806c5ecc31cf27a@[10.0.1.120]>


Hi there,
Finally got the sale stuff done! Our two big sales are during March 
and December. Here is the March sale:


CURRENT SPECIALS- Expires April 3rd- Please forward to all your 
rocketry friends!!!

High Power Reload MADNESS: All Aerotech  reloads on special!! All 
motors must be prepaid and orders placed via email or fax. Delivery 
to LEUP holder at FITS, Black Rock****, Brothers, and Dayton-- at 
upcoming  launches. This is a extreme special, and applies to all 
motors. Payment can be made via check, Visa/MC or Paypal (add 3%) for 
all orders. NO on going Storage of high power motors will be allowed, 
each order must be delivered to one LEUP holder* on file. Get your 
friends together, get maximum savings.

* unless ATF goes away....... 60 days and counting......... sorry, 
orders at this time must go to LEUP holders...  ;-(

Pricing is based on standard Aerotech pricing,
Order $500 to $1000, and save 20% on your order
Order $1000 to $2000, and save 25% on your order
Order $2000 or above and save 30% on your order

**** special delivery can be arrange to Aeropac and LUNAR members

Aerotech Hobby Motor Special (D-G power). Order over $100 of single 
use or reloads, and get 25% off, order over $250, and get 30% off

Rouse Tech Monster Motors Special- Sweet 16% off all hardware. 
Hardware orders over $300- get 25% off!!!
CTI Hardware Special- 20% off!! Good way to get started with CTI motors!!!!

Binder Design Kits-all regular kits 16% off
PML Ariel 4" 54mm Sport Flyer, quantum tubing- List price $99  Special $75!!!
PML Explorer 2.5" 38mm  quantum tubing- List Price $69- Special $49
PML Io List Price $51- Special $40
PML Small Endeavour - List Price $77 - Special $60
Sheri's Hot Rockets 1/48 Sat1B    $179.00
Sheri's Hot Rockets 1/24 Mercury Redstone    $109.00
Madcow Rocketry Bomarc  $79
Semroc Kits, all 20% off
Estes Orbital Transport, OOP re-issue $20 while supply lasts.
All LOC kits 4" and under 20% off


Prices good until April 3rd, 2009
Payment can be made via check, Visa/MC or Paypal (add 3% for Paypal 
and Visa) for all orders on this special by APRIL 3rd, 2009.
email us at; rocketstore at earthlink.net


Our Current schedule is to attend these upcoming launches: ( other 
launches may be added)

Spring Fling- March, Dayton WA.
Odd Roc, April, Dayton, WA. ( Tentative)
Spring Thunder- -May, Brothers Oregon
FITS- Mansfield WA, Memorial Day Weekend
Blue Mt. Blast- June, Dayton Washington
Mudroc- June-Black Rock, NV ( by special delivery, not on site)
Desert Heat- July, Brothers Oregon
Aeronaut-July- Black Rock, NV
Desert Exterme- August- Brothers, Oregon ( delivery only, no booth)
Fillible's Folly- September, Sheridan Oregon
Arliss/XPRS- September- Black Rock, NV ( Tentative 82.9% chance of 
attending !! )
Rocketober- October- Brothers Oregon

Thanks,

Bob Grossfeld
Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory
a non-profit, educational organization
rocketstore at earthlink.net
1-866-598-4406
-------------- next part --------------
AD: March Madness Sale
Hi there,
Finally got the sale stuff done! Our two big sales are during March and December. Here is the March sale:
CURRENT SPECIALS- Expires April 3rd
- Please forward to all your rocketry friends!!!
High Power Reload MADNESS: All Aerotech? reloads on special!! All motors must be prepaid and orders placed via email or fax. Delivery to LEUP holder at FITS, Black Rock****, Brothers, and Dayton-- at upcoming? launches. This is a extreme special, and applies to all motors. Payment can be made via check, Visa/MC or Paypal (add 3%) for all orders. NO on going Storage of high power motors will be allowed, each order must be delivered to one LEUP holder* on file. Get your friends together, get maximum savings.
* unless ATF goes away....... 60 days and counting......... sorry, orders at this time must go to LEUP holders...? ;-(
Pricing is based on standard Aerotech pricing,
Order $500 to $1000, and save 20% on your order
Order $1000 to $2000, and save 25% on your order
Order $2000 or above and save 30% on your order
**** special delivery can be arrange to Aeropac and LUNAR members
Aerotech Hobby Motor Special (D-G power). Order over $100 of single use or reloads, and get 25% off, order over $250, and get 30% off
Rouse Tech Monster Motors Special- Sweet 16% off
all hardware
. Hardware orders over $300- get 25% off!!!
CTI Hardware Special- 20% off!! Good way to get started with CTI motors!!!!
Binder Design Kits-all regular kits 16% off
PML Ariel 4" 54mm Sport Flyer, quantum tubing- List price $99? Special $75!!!
PML Explorer 2.5" 38mm? quantum tubing- List Price $69- Special $49
PML Io List Price $51- Special $40
PML Small Endeavour - List Price $77 - Special $60
Sheri's Hot Rockets 1/48 Sat1B??? $179.00
Sheri's Hot Rockets 1/24 Mercury Redstone??? $109.00
Madcow Rocketry Bomarc? $79
Semroc Kits, all 20% off
Estes Orbital Transport, OOP re-issue $20 while supply lasts.
All LOC kits 4" and under 20% off
Prices good until April 3rd, 2009
Payment can be made via check, Visa/MC or Paypal (add 3% for Paypal and Visa) for all orders on this special by APRIL 3rd, 2009.
email us at; rocketstore at earthlink.net
Our Current schedule is to attend these upcoming launches: ( other launches may be added)
Spring Fling- March, Dayton WA.
Odd Roc, April, Dayton, WA. ( Tentative)
Spring Thunder- -May, Brothers Oregon
FITS- Mansfield WA, Memorial Day Weekend
Blue Mt. Blast- June, Dayton Washington
Mudroc- June-Black Rock, NV ( by special delivery, not on site)
Desert Heat- July, Brothers Oregon
Aeronaut-July- Black Rock, NV
Desert Exterme- August- Brothers, Oregon ( delivery only, no booth)
Fillible's Folly- September, Sheridan Oregon
Arliss/XPRS- September- Black Rock, NV ( Tentative 82.9% chance of attending !! )
Rocketober- October- Brothers Oregon
Thanks,
Bob Grossfeld
Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory
a non-profit, educational organization
rocketstore at earthlink.net
1-866-598-4406

From d1brown at NNU.Edu  Sun Mar 22 22:22:27 2009
From: d1brown at NNU.Edu (Dale Brown)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:22:27 -0600
Subject: [RocketsNW] University Space Shot Attempt - Experimental Motor
	Advice	Wanted
Message-ID: <49C6C830020000A700033D05@yatta.nnu.edu>

Thanks to everyone who replied to my previous request.  On the apparent lack of adequate budget; most of the equipment and tools are already on hand at the university.  We estimate that on about $5,000 we should have a reasonably high probability of success, with this amount going mostly to raw materials.

I will keep you all updated on the project.  We are hoping to launch in about one year, and will be doing quite a bit of design and testing toward the end of the summer.

Dale Brown
NNU Rocket Team


From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Sun Mar 22 22:46:38 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:46:38 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ingraham TARC--Leprechaun's Leap Launch Log --
	withpictures
References: <COL104-W558DAD086F6FA8E7B8F992BC940@phx.gbl><49C66000.8030703@earthlink.net><e1e3ba0b0903221050g7eca5410w7e4ee87bd869bb40@mail.gmail.com><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A2C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<D1993E4BFF86479A8B4EA1B3D69681FF@BryanPC>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A2F@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

Thanks for the pics, Bryan!  Kids will love them!
 
Pete

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Bryan Whitemarsh
Sent: Sun 3/22/2009 9:10 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ingraham TARC--Leprechaun's Leap Launch Log -- withpictures



Not a bad day of launches considering the weather.  Two muffed launches on
Blackjack motors, both ended up pranging on the street, causing quite a bit
of damage.  What are the odds?  Some photos of the happenings can be found
here:

http://bwhitemarsh.smugmug.com/gallery/7691675_4vuQQ/1/496877804_tCNZD#P-1-2
0

Pete -- I have more shots of your kids' flights if you are interested.

Bryan Whitemarsh.

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From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:02 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ingraham TARC--Leprechaun's Leap Launch Log

Took my students out to do some test launches of their TARC vehicles.  The
launch was pretty sparsely populated, but we had some "fun" anyway.

Alpha Company got off two shots on F52-5T motors:  one flew absolutely
straight up and hit 774 feet with a landing time of 41.5 seconds (we knew
the parachute was too small, but the student custom sewing their real chute
isn't done yet, so they used the closest one they had.)  The other had a
delay grain blow-by and ejected under power.  Thankfully, no zipper.  Since
almost all the members of Alpha are returning members of last year's Finals
team, they're in decent shape.

Charlie Company got off two shots as well.  On the first one, their F22-5J
turned out to have shipped with an 8 second delay grain in it.  They were
too heavy (way too heavy) and weathercocked badly, so they only got to 490
feet, and they were lucky to have their chute deploy about 50 feet above the
ground.  Thankfully, no zipper.  Their second flight, they didn't want to
trust the same F22 motors, so they used a F20-7W (they knew the delay was
too long, but they wanted to fly a second time to gather some additional
data on their logging altimeter).  This time, their rocket weathercocked the
wrong way and flew WITH the wind downrange.  Weird.  None of us could
explain it....  Good flight, though.  Having been within 10 feet of their
target at a previous launch, Charlie is looking like they're in decent
shape.

Bravo Company.  Poor Bravo company.  If it weren't for bad luck, they'd have
no luck at all.  While Charlie was rolling their F22 motor, Bravo was
rolling theirs at the same time.  Their launch lugs stuck on the rod for
about a second of their burn.  Once it broke free of the rod, they only
managed about 200 feet altitude before the burn cut out.  Their rocket
PRANGed on the midline of the road, then the motor ejected a second or two
later.  Nosecone and payload bay are total losses, but the booster is still
in perfect shape.  About two lunch periods of work, and they'll be right as
rain.

Hopefully, the kids will do whatever they have to do to exorcise the demons
from their airframes and appease the rocket gods.  If we can get some decent
weather over the next couple of weeks, they might be able to put it all
together and get themselves qualified.  Cross your fingers for them.

Pete

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Aaron Fogg
Sent: Sun 3/22/2009 10:50 AM
To: Hammer
Cc: Rockets Northwest
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap



I Seeeeee yooooou. :)

In case some don't know there is a live webcam at 60 Acres.

http://60acres.org/northcamera.html


Aaron F.

On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Hammer
<hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>wrote:

> It looks as if Leprechaun's Leap might be delayed due to more rain
> since the forecast this morning calls for an 80 percent chance of it. 
> I'll be at the launch site at 10am anyway.
>
> "Showers likely this morning...then showers this afternoon. Highs in
> the upper 40s and lower 50s. Southeast wind to 10 mph becoming
> southwest this afternoon."
>
> Currently the temperature is 41 deg. F. with winds out of the SE at
> 2mph with barometric pressure at 29.83"Hg and rising.  The viz is 10
> miles but the cloud ceiling has three layers at 1700, 3100, and 5500 feet
AGL.
>
> Global warming did rear its ugly head in Seattle yesterday creating a
> record report.  http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/508.html#REC
>
> Anyone else planning to be out there this morning?
>
> Robert
>
> william carpenter wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > As a trial run of the technology before April, I'll be doing a live
> webcast of the Leprechaun's Leap Launch (assuming it isn't rained out
again.
> >
> > The broadcast is scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM on the day of the
> > launch
> and it will go until at least noon. To view the webcast, go to the
> following URL.
> >
> > http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
> >
> >
> > Read the "Latest Updates" ticker to get the latest status on whether
> > or
> not I'll be attending. If all looks good, click the "Simav8r's Rocket
> Stream" link. It'll take you to my channel on UStream.
> >
> > Be aware that the internet on my end might not be that good. I'll be
> doing all I can to make it go smoothly, but there's only so much I can do.
> >
> > If you're not attending the launch, then please take a look at the
> webcast. I want to see if it works and get all the bugs worked out
> before I head out to Mansfield in April.
> >
> > Regards, William Carpenter A.K.A. "Simav8r"
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From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Sun Mar 22 22:48:38 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:48:38 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Ingraham TARC--Leprechaun's Leap Launch Log
References: <COL104-W558DAD086F6FA8E7B8F992BC940@phx.gbl><49C66000.8030703@earthlink.net>	<e1e3ba0b0903221050g7eca5410w7e4ee87bd869bb40@mail.gmail.com>
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TARC deadline is April 6.  I'm relatively confident that at least one of the teams will get a flight in that puts them in the running.
 
April 12 is officially "Yuri's Day".  Why not go simple but direct and call it "Yuri's Day Launch"?  I know...it's not cute, but then again neither am I....
 
Pete

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer
Sent: Sun 3/22/2009 9:29 PM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ingraham TARC--Leprechaun's Leap Launch Log



Glad you could make it out to the launch, Brian, and thank you for the
photos.  Great flight report, Peter.  When is the last day for TARC
qualifications?

This concludes the Leprechaun's Leap launch.  I hope it is a little
drier next year.

The next launch will be on 12APR09 which happens to be the same day that
Yuri Gagarin was launched in to space on 12APR61.

Mr. Carpenter, would you like bring your webcam out and test it at this
launch for a shake down run before Spring Tune Up the following weekend?

Anyone have ideas for a name for the April 60 Acres launch?

Robert

Schurke, Peter wrote:
> Took my students out to do some test launches of their TARC vehicles.  The launch was pretty sparsely populated, but we had some "fun" anyway.
> 
> Alpha Company got off two shots on F52-5T motors:  one flew absolutely straight up and hit 774 feet with a landing time of 41.5 seconds (we knew the parachute was too small, but the student custom sewing their real chute isn't done yet, so they used the closest one they had.)  The other had a delay grain blow-by and ejected under power.  Thankfully, no zipper.  Since almost all the members of Alpha are returning members of last year's Finals team, they're in decent shape.
> 
> Charlie Company got off two shots as well.  On the first one, their F22-5J turned out to have shipped with an 8 second delay grain in it.  They were too heavy (way too heavy) and weathercocked badly, so they only got to 490 feet, and they were lucky to have their chute deploy about 50 feet above the ground.  Thankfully, no zipper.  Their second flight, they didn't want to trust the same F22 motors, so they used a F20-7W (they knew the delay was too long, but they wanted to fly a second time to gather some additional data on their logging altimeter).  This time, their rocket weathercocked the wrong way and flew WITH the wind downrange.  Weird.  None of us could explain it....  Good flight, though.  Having been within 10 feet of their target at a previous launch, Charlie is looking like they're in decent shape.
> 
> Bravo Company.  Poor Bravo company.  If it weren't for bad luck, they'd have no luck at all.  While Charlie was rolling their F22 motor, Bravo was rolling theirs at the same time.  Their launch lugs stuck on the rod for about a second of their burn.  Once it broke free of the rod, they only managed about 200 feet altitude before the burn cut out.  Their rocket PRANGed on the midline of the road, then the motor ejected a second or two later.  Nosecone and payload bay are total losses, but the booster is still in perfect shape.  About two lunch periods of work, and they'll be right as rain.
> 
> Hopefully, the kids will do whatever they have to do to exorcise the demons from their airframes and appease the rocket gods.  If we can get some decent weather over the next couple of weeks, they might be able to put it all together and get themselves qualified.  Cross your fingers for them.
> 
> Pete
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Aaron Fogg
> Sent: Sun 3/22/2009 10:50 AM
> To: Hammer
> Cc: Rockets Northwest
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Leprechaun's Leap
>
>
>
> I Seeeeee yooooou. :)
>
> In case some don't know there is a live webcam at 60 Acres.
>
> http://60acres.org/northcamera.html
>
>
> Aaron F.
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Hammer
> <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>  
>> It looks as if Leprechaun's Leap might be delayed due to more rain since
>> the forecast this morning calls for an 80 percent chance of it.  I'll be
>> at the launch site at 10am anyway.
>>
>> "Showers likely this morning...then showers this afternoon. Highs in the
>> upper 40s and lower 50s. Southeast wind to 10 mph becoming southwest
>> this afternoon."
>>
>> Currently the temperature is 41 deg. F. with winds out of the SE at 2mph
>> with barometric pressure at 29.83"Hg and rising.  The viz is 10 miles
>> but the cloud ceiling has three layers at 1700, 3100, and 5500 feet AGL.
>>
>> Global warming did rear its ugly head in Seattle yesterday creating a
>> record report.  http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/508.html#REC
>>
>> Anyone else planning to be out there this morning?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> william carpenter wrote:
>>    
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> As a trial run of the technology before April, I'll be doing a live
>>>      
>> webcast of the Leprechaun's Leap Launch (assuming it isn't rained out again.
>>    
>>> The broadcast is scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM on the day of the launch
>>>      
>> and it will go until at least noon. To view the webcast, go to the following
>> URL.
>>    
>>> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
>>>      
>> http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/livestreamingvideo.htm
>>    
>>> Read the "Latest Updates" ticker to get the latest status on whether or
>>>      
>> not I'll be attending. If all looks good, click the "Simav8r's Rocket
>> Stream" link. It'll take you to my channel on UStream.
>>    
>>> Be aware that the internet on my end might not be that good. I'll be
>>>      
>> doing all I can to make it go smoothly, but there's only so much I can do.
>>    
>>> If you're not attending the launch, then please take a look at the
>>>      
>> webcast. I want to see if it works and get all the bugs worked out before I
>> head out to Mansfield in April.
>>    
>>> Regards, William Carpenter A.K.A. "Simav8r"
>>> Get quick access to your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8.
>>>      
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From greg at blastzone.com  Tue Mar 24 07:40:27 2009
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:40:27 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] NWR calendar updated
Message-ID: <15b901c9ac8e$79516240$6bf426c0$@com>

The rocketsnw.com calendar at the link below has been updated with the
launch info sent to me, as well as some of the national launches.  If any
corrections or additions need to be made, please contact me.

http://www.rocketsnw.com/schedule.asp

Greg


From fred.azinger at intel.com  Tue Mar 24 10:52:42 2009
From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:52:42 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] Some paint stories
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You can see some photos of my L3 "Agent Orange" as painted by Dave at the bottom of the page at:
 http://www.azinger.com/Freds-L3-Rocket.htm





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From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:19 PM
To: OROC List
Subject: [RocketsNW] Some paint stories

Punch Drunk. Now there was a rocket paint party if ever there was one. You
folks shoulda seen Alex and Dave after sanding on that thing for a couple of
evenings. Alex looked someone had dipped him in flour. He had fiberglass
dust all over him.  That lasted until we got it into primer then it started
all over again on poor Alex. It was a fun and great time. We really sorta
had a vague idea about how we wanted to paint it. After I got the nose cone
done with blue marbelizer Alex was so taken with the way it looked that he
got this flash of brilliance and just told me to paint the entire rocket
this color. We did and had the name done in gold and black lettering I
think?  Help me out here Dave. 

Alex being the semi-impatient guy that he was, was sorta wishy washey about
me color sanding and polishing the clear coat like I wanted to do. I MADE
him let me do the nose cone so he could see what it looked like and he
flipped out!   I really enjoyed doing this rocket because Alex was so into
it and the way the paint came out.  It was fun, lots of joking, lots of
Pepsi cans, potato chip bags and wet sand paper all in my car port during
the first part of the summer.  

I miss Alex and his enthusiasm for the sport. I also enjoyed doing Adrian's
projects as well as Fred's L3 bird. That one had a strange story to it. Fred
told me he wanted to call it agent orange. So I knew we had to use orange in
it somewhere. Then I started thinking where the stuff was used, in the
jungle, so green because the other color. I wanted to balance the color
scheme out a bit because one fin was green I think and a panel down the
side?  Correct me if I'm wandering here Fred.  So I decided to put a green
marbelizer cap on the nose cone.  I shot BC 25  black on the tip of the cone
and brought it back 6 -8 inches I guess. Black base is standard on most
marbelizer colors. I got the marbelizer on it and was gonna break the
green/orange junction with some horizontal bands like Jeff Bennett's Animal
Instinct.  I brought the orange up close to the marbelizer then switched
over to an airbrush. I faded it into green and it hit me! It looked like the
rocket had flow right thru something orange! So I left it like that. Much to
my relief Fred liked it to. I think Fred's rocket is the only one I've ever
done with an asymmetrical paint job. 

Adrian and I sorta did a little experimenting on his L3 bird. I was unsure
of the candies at that time. We thought about using Orion Silver as a base,
for some reason we didn't go with that. Adrian liked the darker tone
afforded by Solar Gold base we used. The nice thing about the marblizers is
that they have pearl platelets in them that are highly reflective.  Once out
in the sunlight they sparkle like nobody's business. Adrian's rockets were
absolutely brilliant in the sun. Adrian is another person that delivers his
projects to me almost primer-ready.  

Then we have Jeff Bennett's Animal Instinct. Wow what a deal that was!  Jeff
told me to "use my imagination!"  That was daring on his part, but I like
the freedom of this. What fun it was too.
I found a leopard spot stencil up at my paint store! I  couldn't believe my
luck! I don't know how the colors came about except for the green because
the "jungle" thing came into it again. I used HOK  Organic Green Candy on
Jeff's bird.  I did the nosecone tip in green marbelizer. I did butt it up
to two horizontal bands one black and the other silver. I did the nose cone
in Organic Green Candy and below the AV section did a transition into Solar
Gold. The thing also had three panels of green marbelizer that went in
between the fins. For  you new folks that haven't seen Jeff's bird it's an
Ultimate Endeavor.  Jeff got some white vinyl lettering  "Animal Instinct."
Using this was a first for me. I'd never shot clear over this stuff so we
didn't know what the heck was gonna happen! For all I knew it might have
melted the plastic! When I sprayed the clear on it some funny stuff started
happening. The edges started lifting a little bit. There were some air
bubbles in it too. I was beside myself!  All that work!  All the paint went
on very well.  I've learned that when you've been banging your head into
something like this and run into the wall it's best to go get a Coke.  What
happened next is the reason I'm such an advocate of HOK stuff. The UFC-35
Flo Klear is just amazing. It has the properties of leveling itself  flatter
than the proverbial pancake. After my Coke and a smile I went back up to the
paint room. Much to my astonishment the clear had flatted the edges and air
bubbles to non existence! So I hit it with two more top coats and let it set
and cure for about 3 days. I went sanded it and applied three more clear
coats. I then buffed it and that's the story of  "Animal Instinct ." A fun
project and Jeff was great to work with too.

Then we come to Rick Clapp's Cherokee. Now this guy was a study in finding
pin holes! Wow. I sent Rick a picture of the booster after I had draw
circles around all the pin holes I had found after filling up all I thought
I had found!  This rocket was also an experiment in using dry pearls. Rick
was gracious enough to let me experiment on his L3 bird!  Because this
rocket was mostly white it was a prime candidate for trying some of these
nice pearls I got from Scott and Teresa at Quality Paints. Scott gave me a
whole slug of this stuff at a dirt cheap price.  We decided that because the
rocket had a lot of red on it that I should mix the red pearl into one coat
of the clear.  But first let me tell you about the forward roll pattern
decal that we did not put on!  When Rick pulled this thing out of the bag it
was crooked and dog-legged lookin thing. I just cringed at using it. It had
"user hostile" written all over it. Because I'm a painter I know things
about cocky vinyl decals. Rick and I tried for 30 minutes to get it on, and
it was an exercise in frustration and a new way of raising my anger level.
Finally I got pissed off and ripped it off the rocket much to Rick's
amazement. I told Rick I'd do it by hand. Yeah right Dave! Little did I
realize what I was in for. I spent one entire evening laying it out on the
forward airframe. But I did it and it came out pretty good. There was just a
ton of masking done and I was just floored by the fact that there was NO
feathering under all that masking tape. That's why I use the plastic
striping tape. It seals way better than the best masking tapes.  

I mixed up one gun full of red pearl in with the UFC-35 Flo Klear.  To make
a long story shorter, after it was all buffed you could look at the rocket
dead on in room lighting and it just looked white. Get it out into the sun
and it glowed a faint red especially over the black parts of the decals.  T
his thing had a ton of decals all over it. Getting these things on where
they were supposed to be all the way around was a test. I enjoyed this
project as well.  All the folks I mentioned here as just great to work with.


I think the king of Dave's Rocket Painting has to be John Lyngdal. I've
painted so many of John's rockets that I can't remember all of them. It
seemed like John would bring over a new quart of  SG or marbleizer in one
hand and another rocket in the other.  I think John is responsible for about
1/3  of my paint inventory! LOL!  Seems like every time I saw him he'd have
some more paint or primer or 5-10 gallons of wash up thinner.  John and I
found lots of new HOK stuff that I might not have explored or used.  One
especially was the pre-mixed candies.  We used a bunch of that stuff on his
Mid power stuff if you can call any of John's rockets "mid power?"  Smile.

Paint stories. What daya know?   This sorta stuff is what makes rocketry so
special to me and so special to the Northwest. We got it on good here folks.


Dave Proffitt
 


-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Deputy
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:34 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...

Yeah, Punch Drunk was real pretty.  Right up to when we hit the button.

But really, too pretty to fly?  Cmon.  Yes, Proffit paint jobs are beyond
beautiful, but if you think a rocket is too pretty to fly....well.....you
need counseling...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Adrian L Carbine
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:14 AM
> To: Azinger, Fred
> Cc: OROC List
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> 
> My saddest rocketry day was at LDRS near Amarillo in 2002, when my
Ultimate
> Endeavor had 2 out of 3 J350 outboards CATO on airstart, due to AT
propellant
> problems, after a nice K700 initial boost. This rocket had a beautiful
maroon
> and black Proffitt/HOK paint job that was a sight to behold. In the
sunlight
> it just sparkled and shone.
> 
> After the two "pops" in flight, the fin can rained down in pieces, and the
> rest of the rocket fell in a flat spin and smashed to the ground. Most of
it
> went into the dumpster, with Taps playing and flags at half mast, but I
kept
> the uppermost body tube and nose cone just because. The amazing thing is
that
> on the inside the BT is all cracked and busted up, but on the outside you
> can't even tell. It looks brand new. Of course the layer of fiberglass
kept
> things together, but that HOK paint is tough and flexible!
> 
> So with the right paint, that hanger queen can be tougher than you would
> think, but on the other hand, a nice paint job sometimes seems to attract
bad
> luck. My other Proffitt-painted bird is my L3, and it has flown several
times,
> but most of its scratches and dings are from hauling it around to rocketry
> show-and-tell sessions.
> 
> --- Adrian
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Azinger, Fred
<fred.azinger at intel.com>wrote:
> 
> > Are you sure you want a hanger queen this large?
> > Dave's paint jobs are so nice, you'll display the rocket as art and
> > won't want to fly it.
> > I know that is the status on my L3 that Dave painted.
> > A nice hanger queen for my Den.....too purdy to fly!
> > Even my wife recognizes it as "rocket art."
> > FredA
> >
> > PS: Dave does a hellofva paint job.......highly recommended.......but
> > don't say I didn't warn you about not wanting to fly the end result.....
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Brad Wright
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:04 AM
> > To: Dave Proffitt; matjamison at aol.com
> > Cc: OROC List
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Ok I'll bite.   I'll do a 6" diameter either Raptor or Velociraptor in
> > fiberglass just cause I want a rocket without my usual sh***y paint
> > job and instead have it be a Master-Proffitt-Piece.  :)
> >
> > brad
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 AM
> > To: matjamison at aol.com
> > Cc: OROC List
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket!  Mike Fisher took
> > that design to a higher level with his Velociraptor.  I am still gonna
> > get one of Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme
> > on it. The HOK green marbelizer when applied right has a very
> > "reptilian" appearance to it.
> > Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL!  Was thinking of mostly  black with
> > green marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold
> > fades somewhere.  I love black paint. It goes with every color under the
> sun.
> >  You
> > can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my
> > crazy paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere.
> >
> > I know! How about an upscale Raptor?  I'll do the paint scheme for
> > free if someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that.
> >
> > I like the split fin concept on the booster.
> >
> > The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on
> > a J415.  Great flight but everything came out at the same time. No
damage.
> >
> > Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the
> > trailing edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors.
> > I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I
> > liked the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod.
> >
> > Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight.
> >
> > Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com
> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...
> >
> > Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll
> > be flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few
> > J-350's in some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's
> >
> > Did someone say Beer??
> >
> >
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 18:02:06 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:02:06 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Meeting; request for topics
Message-ID: <004801c9ace5$51fb4600$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>

Hello,
Do you have a request or topics to be discussed at the next meeting? Do you have a project you'd like to share? Not a completed project? That's ok. If you have something to share, let me know. 

If you have agenda irems, please email me off list.

Will need the input by Saturday March 28th.

Cheers,
Robert
-------------- next part --------------
Hello,
Do you have a request or topics to be discussed at the next meeting? Do you have a project you'd like to share? Not a completed project? That's ok. If you have something to share, let me know.
?
If you have agenda irems, please email me off list.
?
Will need the input by Saturday March 28th.
?
Cheers,
Robert

From bwhitemarsh at comcast.net  Tue Mar 24 18:48:26 2009
From: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net (Bryan Whitemarsh)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:48:26 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
Message-ID: <0FEE6EDA72F242A68CE267B205FA774A@BryanPC>

At the February WAC meeting there was some discussion about a group order of
J-tek and M-tek electric matches.  I finally received my LEUP yesterday and
have been toying with the idea of ordering some.  I am wondering if anyone
has already ordered a bunch of them and, if so, would you be willing to sell
some to me?  If not, is there anyone wanting to get some e-matches?  I could
place the order over the next few days.  I'm to the point in my Level 1 Cert
project that I need to be thinking about testing the ejection charges.  
 
Bryan Whitemarsh
-------------- next part --------------
At the February WAC meeting there was some discussion about a group order of J-tek and M-tek electric matches.? I finally received my LEUP yesterday and have been toying with the idea of ordering some.? I am wondering if anyone has already ordered a bunch of them and, if so, would you be willing to sell some to me?? If not, is there anyone wanting to get some e-matches?? I could place the order over the next few days.? I'm to the point in my Level 1 Cert project that I need to be thinking about testing the ejection charges.?
?
Bryan Whitemarsh

From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org  Tue Mar 24 19:15:18 2009
From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:15:18 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
Message-ID: <a06240804c5ef4431ed79@[10.0.1.137]>

Bryan,

We are ordering some for the store this week, so if you want to get 
on those, let me know. We are going for some short and long leads. 
Not sure how many you are looking for, or what the "group buy" had in 
mind. We also have some of Quickburst ematches and kits coming 
shortly.

We can deliver them at FITS or Brothers, unless you want them shipped.

Let me know,

Bob
Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory
www.rocketryshop.org


>At the February WAC meeting there was some discussion about a group order of
>J-tek and M-tek electric matches.  I finally received my LEUP yesterday and
>have been toying with the idea of ordering some.  I am wondering if anyone
>has already ordered a bunch of them and, if so, would you be willing to sell
>some to me?  If not, is there anyone wanting to get some e-matches?  I could
>place the order over the next few days.  I'm to the point in my Level 1 Cert
>project that I need to be thinking about testing the ejection charges. 
>
>Bryan Whitemarsh
>
>_______________________________________________
>Rockets mailing list
>Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>


From sutchek at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar 24 19:35:34 2009
From: sutchek at sbcglobal.net (The Sutchek's)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:35:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
Message-ID: <934448.94324.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>









A couple of years ago? another club did this ,, And I can report that there is NO differance between the Mtek and the Jtek,,,,
?
The slower burning Jtek's are NOT like the Davyfire F's? ( Black wires ) they seem to blast or " POP " just like the davyfire B's ( white wires )

Just? for your info ....?? for what its worth...
?
-P
? 
-------------- next part --------------
A couple of years ago? another club did this ,, And I can report that there is NO differance between the Mtek and the Jtek,,,,
?
The slower burning Jtek's are NOT like the Davyfire F's? ( Black wires ) they seem to blast or " POP " just like the davyfire B's ( white wires )
Just? for your info ....?? for what its worth...
?
-P
?

From rocketsrfun at msn.com  Wed Mar 25 06:03:36 2009
From: rocketsrfun at msn.com (Don Harris)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:03:36 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <0FEE6EDA72F242A68CE267B205FA774A@BryanPC>
References: <0FEE6EDA72F242A68CE267B205FA774A@BryanPC>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DS7C1FE4DDA1FAC827B5870BD900@phx.gbl>

Bryan, If I'm reading this correctly you're shooting for your Level 1 certification While it's impressive that your going for an electronic eject on your L1 flight you probably might want to think about just doing a basic motor ejection on your first level attempt. Why you ask? Because the percentage is a lot higher for success of deployment with motor ejection! While electronic eject might seem the reasonable thing to do and very cool, they are a lot more complicated to fly, not your basic "plug and play" like motor ejection. I don't know how much knowledge you have with electronics but if you've been doing it for quite some time, go for it. But there are so many scenarios of what could go wrong if you fail to get everything right, too many to list unless you've done a few. For an L1 project KISS I can't emphasis enough, just get your cert, then play around with the electronics for your Level 2 certification and believe me, you'll be more happy getting it on the first try. But if you insist on going with an electronics ejection, I would also recommend that you do a motor ejection as a backup just for a safety bumper. If your electronics fail to do what they are designed to do, you have the motor as a backup. I even flew my L2 on a motor ejection J350. After that I was using both motor and electronics together until I was comfortable to go with electronics only. What ever you decide to do, the best of luck on your cert, I'm sure you'll do well.

Just my 2 cents...

Don


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bryan Whitemarsh<mailto:bwhitemarsh at comcast.net> 
  To: rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com> 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:48 PM
  Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches


  At the February WAC meeting there was some discussion about a group order of
  J-tek and M-tek electric matches.  I finally received my LEUP yesterday and
  have been toying with the idea of ordering some.  I am wondering if anyone
  has already ordered a bunch of them and, if so, would you be willing to sell
  some to me?  If not, is there anyone wanting to get some e-matches?  I could
  place the order over the next few days.  I'm to the point in my Level 1 Cert
  project that I need to be thinking about testing the ejection charges.  
   
  Bryan Whitemarsh
  _______________________________________________
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  Rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com>
  http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets<http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets>
-------------- next part --------------
Bryan, If I'm reading this correctly you're shooting for your Level 1?certification While it's impressive that your going for an electronic eject on your L1 flight you probably might want to think about?just doing a?basic motor ejection on your first level attempt. Why you ask? Because the percentage is a lot higher for success of deployment with motor ejection! While electronic eject might seem the reasonable thing to do and very cool, they are a lot more complicated to fly, not your basic "plug and play" like motor ejection. I don't know how much knowledge you have?with electronics but if you've been doing it?for quite some time, go for it. But there are so many?scenarios of what could go wrong if you fail to get everything right, too many to list unless you've done a few.?For an L1 project
KISS
I can't emphasis enough, just get your cert, then play around with the electronics for your Level 2 certification and believe me, you'll be more happy?getting it on the first try. But if you insist on?going with an electronics ejection, I would also recommend that you?do a motor ejection as a backup?just for a safety bumper. If your electronics fail to do what they are designed to do, you have the motor as a backup. I even flew my L2 on a motor ejection J350. After that I was using both motor and electronics together?until I was comfortable to go with electronics only.?What ever you decide to do, the best of luck on your cert, I'm sure you'll do well.
?
Just my 2 cents...
?
Don
?
?
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:bwhitemarsh at comcast.net Bryan Whitemarsh
To:
mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent:
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject:
[RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
At the February WAC meeting there was some discussion about a group order of
J-tek and M-tek electric matches.? I finally received my LEUP yesterday and
have been toying with the idea of ordering some.? I am wondering if anyone
has already ordered a bunch of them and, if so, would you be willing to sell
some to me?? If not, is there anyone wanting to get some e-matches?? I could
place the order over the next few days.? I'm to the point in my Level 1 Cert
project that I need to be thinking about testing the ejection charges.?
?
Bryan Whitemarsh
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mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets

From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Wed Mar 25 07:01:17 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:01:17 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] TARC observer needed--Thursday Sixty Acres
References: <0FEE6EDA72F242A68CE267B205FA774A@BryanPC>
	<BAY103-DS7C1FE4DDA1FAC827B5870BD900@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A34@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

Time is growing short, the deadline is looming close, and we have a good weather window for my kids to fly on Thursday 3/26.  Problem is that our usual NAR observer has gone MIA on us.  We haven't had any response to our efforts to contact him, and that makes us nervous.  It would colossolly suck to nail a perfect flight and have no-one around to verify it!
 
Sooooo... we're putting out an emergency call for anyone who might be able to get out of work a little early on Thursday and meet us at Sixty Acres.  We usually don't get there until around 15:30 and probably wouldn't be getting anything into the air before 16:00.  If anyone would be willing and able to help us out, we'd be very grateful!
 
Please reply only if you are able to help us out!  That will keep the e-mail confusion to a minimum.  Thanks in advance!
 
Peter Schurke
Teacher and Lead advisor
Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
Ingraham High School
Seattle, WA

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Don Harris
Sent: Wed 3/25/2009 6:03 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches



Bryan, If I'm reading this correctly you're shooting for your Level 1 certification While it's impressive that your going for an electronic eject on your L1 flight you probably might want to think about just doing a basic motor ejection on your first level attempt. Why you ask? Because the percentage is a lot higher for success of deployment with motor ejection! While electronic eject might seem the reasonable thing to do and very cool, they are a lot more complicated to fly, not your basic "plug and play" like motor ejection. I don't know how much knowledge you have with electronics but if you've been doing it for quite some time, go for it. But there are so many scenarios of what could go wrong if you fail to get everything right, too many to list unless you've done a few. For an L1 project KISS I can't emphasis enough, just get your cert, then play around with the electronics for your Level 2 certification and believe me, you'll be more happy getting it on the first try. But if you insist on going with an electronics ejection, I would also recommend that you do a motor ejection as a backup just for a safety bumper. If your electronics fail to do what they are designed to do, you have the motor as a backup. I even flew my L2 on a motor ejection J350. After that I was using both motor and electronics together until I was comfortable to go with electronics only. What ever you decide to do, the best of luck on your cert, I'm sure you'll do well.

Just my 2 cents...

Don


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bryan Whitemarsh<mailto:bwhitemarsh at comcast.net>
  To: rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:48 PM
  Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches


  At the February WAC meeting there was some discussion about a group order of
  J-tek and M-tek electric matches.  I finally received my LEUP yesterday and
  have been toying with the idea of ordering some.  I am wondering if anyone
  has already ordered a bunch of them and, if so, would you be willing to sell
  some to me?  If not, is there anyone wanting to get some e-matches?  I could
  place the order over the next few days.  I'm to the point in my Level 1 Cert
  project that I need to be thinking about testing the ejection charges. 
  
  Bryan Whitemarsh
  _______________________________________________
  Rockets mailing list
  Rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com>
  http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets<http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets>



From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Wed Mar 25 07:49:15 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:49:15 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] TARC observer needed--Thursday Sixty Acres
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A34@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <0FEE6EDA72F242A68CE267B205FA774A@BryanPC><BAY103-DS7C1FE4DDA1FAC827B5870BD900@phx.gbl>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A34@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D972@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>


 Problem resolved!  Thanks to all who replied!

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:01 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] TARC observer needed--Thursday Sixty Acres

Time is growing short, the deadline is looming close, and we have a good
weather window for my kids to fly on Thursday 3/26.  Problem is that our
usual NAR observer has gone MIA on us.  We haven't had any response to
our efforts to contact him, and that makes us nervous.  It would
colossolly suck to nail a perfect flight and have no-one around to
verify it!
 
Sooooo... we're putting out an emergency call for anyone who might be
able to get out of work a little early on Thursday and meet us at Sixty
Acres.  We usually don't get there until around 15:30 and probably
wouldn't be getting anything into the air before 16:00.  If anyone would
be willing and able to help us out, we'd be very grateful!
 
Please reply only if you are able to help us out!  That will keep the
e-mail confusion to a minimum.  Thanks in advance!
 
Peter Schurke
Teacher and Lead advisor
Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
Ingraham High School
Seattle, WA

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Don Harris
Sent: Wed 3/25/2009 6:03 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches



Bryan, If I'm reading this correctly you're shooting for your Level 1
certification While it's impressive that your going for an electronic
eject on your L1 flight you probably might want to think about just
doing a basic motor ejection on your first level attempt. Why you ask?
Because the percentage is a lot higher for success of deployment with
motor ejection! While electronic eject might seem the reasonable thing
to do and very cool, they are a lot more complicated to fly, not your
basic "plug and play" like motor ejection. I don't know how much
knowledge you have with electronics but if you've been doing it for
quite some time, go for it. But there are so many scenarios of what
could go wrong if you fail to get everything right, too many to list
unless you've done a few. For an L1 project KISS I can't emphasis
enough, just get your cert, then play around with the electronics for
your Level 2 certification and believe me, you'll be more happy getting
it on the first try. B
 
 ut if you insist on going with an electronics ejection, I would also
recommend that you do a motor ejection as a backup just for a safety
bumper. If your electronics fail to do what they are designed to do, you
have the motor as a backup. I even flew my L2 on a motor ejection J350.
After that I was using both motor and electronics together until I was
comfortable to go with electronics only. What ever you decide to do, the
best of luck on your cert, I'm sure you'll do well.

Just my 2 cents...

Don


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bryan Whitemarsh<mailto:bwhitemarsh at comcast.net>
  To: rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:48 PM
  Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches


  At the February WAC meeting there was some discussion about a group
order of
  J-tek and M-tek electric matches.  I finally received my LEUP
yesterday and
  have been toying with the idea of ordering some.  I am wondering if
anyone
  has already ordered a bunch of them and, if so, would you be willing
to sell
  some to me?  If not, is there anyone wanting to get some e-matches?  I
could
  place the order over the next few days.  I'm to the point in my Level
1 Cert
  project that I need to be thinking about testing the ejection charges.

  
  Bryan Whitemarsh
  _______________________________________________
  Rockets mailing list
  Rockets at rocketsnw.com<mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com>
 
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets<http://mx1.blastzone.c
om/mailman/listinfo/rockets>


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From bwhitemarsh at comcast.net  Wed Mar 25 13:21:02 2009
From: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net (bwhitemarsh at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:21:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <705009770.1091371238012331433.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1207233566.1092761238012462854.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



Two things: 

1.?? Thanks for the advice, Don.?? I know it may seem a little foolhardy to start with a complex project for certification.?? It's just an ego thing.?? I want to do the electronics "because it's there."?? My thinking is that I'll either come out looking like a stud or go down in a blaze of glory.?? I will be using redundant electronics so I hope to be successful.?? If not, I'll take it as a very expensive lesson and go with the much more prudent KISS philosophy on my next attempt.?? That's one of the things that is so attractive to me in this hobby.?? Everyone can find something a little different to make (or keep) it interesting.?? 

2.?? In rereading my previous message about e-matches, I see that it may look like I'm offering to purchase and distribute e-matches to whomever would like them.?? This is obviously not my intent.?? I was just trying to save some money on shipping by splitting the costs between several LEUP holders.?? I apologize if the message was taken the wrong way. 


Thanks again, 

Bryan 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Harris" <rocketsrfun at msn.com> 
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 6:03:36 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches 

Bryan, If I'm reading this correctly you're shooting for your Level 1 certification While it's impressive that your going for an electronic eject on your L1 flight you probably might want to think about just doing a basic motor ejection on your first level attempt. Why you ask? Because the percentage is a lot higher for success of deployment with motor ejection! While electronic eject might seem the reasonable thing to do and very cool, they are a lot more complicated to fly, not your basic "plug and play" like motor ejection. I don't know how much knowledge you have with electronics but if you've been doing it for quite some time, go for it. But there are so many scenarios of what could go wrong if you fail to get everything right, too many to list unless you've done a few. For an L1 project KISS I can't emphasis enough, just get your cert, then play around with the electronics for your Level 2 certification and believe me, you'll be more happy getting it on the first try. But if you insist on going with an electronics ejection, I would also recommend that you do a motor ejection as a backup just for a safety bumper. If your electronics fail to do what they are designed to do, you have the motor as a backup. I even flew my L2 on a motor ejection J350. After that I was using both motor and electronics together until I was comfortable to go with electronics only. What ever you decide to do, the best of luck on your cert, I'm sure you'll do well. Just my 2 cents... Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Whitemarsh To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:48 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches At the February WAC meeting there was some discussion about a group order of J-tek and M-tek electric matches. I finally received my LEUP yesterday and have been toying with the idea of ordering some. I am wondering if anyone has already ordered a bunch of them and, if so, would you be willing to sell some to me? If not, is there anyone wanting to get some e-matches? I could place the order over the next few days. I'm to the point in my Level 1 Cert project that I need to be thinking about testing the ejection charges. Bryan Whitemarsh _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 
_______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
-------------- next part --------------
Two things:
1.? Thanks for the advice, Don.? I know it may seem a little foolhardy to start with a complex project for certification.? It's just an ego thing.? I want to do the electronics "because it's there."? My thinking is that I'll either come out looking like a stud or go down in a blaze of glory.? I will be using redundant electronics so I hope to be successful.? If not, I'll take it as a very expensive lesson and go with the much more prudent KISS philosophy on my next attempt.? That's one of the things that is so attractive to me in this hobby.? Everyone can find something a little different to make (or keep) it interesting.?
2.? In rereading my previous message about e-matches, I see that it may look like I'm offering to purchase and distribute e-matches to whomever would like them.? This is obviously not my intent.? I was just trying to save some money on shipping by splitting the costs between several LEUP holders.? I apologize if the message was taken the wrong way.
Thanks again,
Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Harris" <rocketsrfun at msn.com>
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 6:03:36 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
Bryan, If I'm reading this correctly you're shooting for your Level 1 certification While it's impressive that your going for an electronic eject on your L1 flight you probably might want to think about just doing a basic motor ejection on your first level attempt. Why you ask? Because the percentage is a lot higher for success of deployment with motor ejection! While electronic eject might seem the reasonable thing to do and very cool, they are a lot more complicated to fly, not your basic "plug and play" like motor ejection. I don't know how much knowledge you have with electronics but if you've been doing it for quite some time, go for it. But there are so many scenarios of what could go wrong if you fail to get everything right, too many to list unless you've done a few. For an L1 project KISS I can't emphasis enough, just get your cert, then play around with the electronics for your Level 2 certification and believe me, you'll be more happy getting it on the first try. But if you insist on going with an electronics ejection, I would also recommend that you do a motor ejection as a backup just for a safety bumper. If your electronics fail to do what they are designed to do, you have the motor as a backup. I even flew my L2 on a motor ejection J350. After that I was using both motor and electronics together until I was comfortable to go with electronics only. What ever you decide to do, the best of luck on your cert, I'm sure you'll do well. Just my 2 cents... Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Whitemarsh
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:48 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches At the February WAC meeting there was some discussion about a group order of J-tek and M-tek electric matches. I finally received my LEUP yesterday and have been toying with the idea of ordering some. I am wondering if anyone has already ordered a bunch of them and, if so, would you be willing to sell some to me? If not, is there anyone wanting to get some e-matches? I could place the order over the next few days. I'm to the point in my Level 1 Cert project that I need to be thinking about testing the ejection charges. Bryan Whitemarsh _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 25 15:23:46 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:23:46 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
Message-ID: <49CAAEF2.3050501@earthlink.net>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_re_as/us_nkorea_missile

Will we intercept if they do launch?

And will N. Korea respond to our (or the Japanese) doing so?

This will definitely be a heads-up flight!

Robert

From winningstad at comcast.net  Wed Mar 25 15:45:08 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:45:08 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <1207233566.1092761238012462854.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <705009770.1091371238012331433.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1207233566.1092761238012462854.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CBD738691B274DE98CC2EA4BAAC0F6F4@downstair>

Bryan,

If you fail, DARN...then you gotta launch ANOTHER ONE!!!  RATS!!!!!!

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of bwhitemarsh at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:21 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches



Two things: 

1.? Thanks for the advice, Don.? I know it may seem a little foolhardy to
start with a complex project for certification.? It's just an ego thing.? I
want to do the electronics "because it's there."? My thinking is that I'll
either come out looking like a stud or go down in a blaze of glory.? I will
be using redundant electronics so I hope to be successful.? If not, I'll
take it as a very expensive lesson and go with the much more prudent KISS
philosophy on my next attempt.? That's one of the things that is so
attractive to me in this hobby.? Everyone can find something a little
different to make (or keep) it interesting.? 

2.? In rereading my previous message about e-matches, I see that it may look
like I'm offering to purchase and distribute e-matches to whomever would
like them.? This is obviously not my intent.? I was just trying to save some
money on shipping by splitting the costs between several LEUP holders.? I
apologize if the message was taken the wrong way. 


Thanks again, 

Bryan 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Harris" <rocketsrfun at msn.com> 
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 6:03:36 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches 

Bryan, If I'm reading this correctly you're shooting for your Level 1
certification While it's impressive that your going for an electronic eject
on your L1 flight you probably might want to think about just doing a basic
motor ejection on your first level attempt. Why you ask? Because the
percentage is a lot higher for success of deployment with motor ejection!
While electronic eject might seem the reasonable thing to do and very cool,
they are a lot more complicated to fly, not your basic "plug and play" like
motor ejection. I don't know how much knowledge you have with electronics
but if you've been doing it for quite some time, go for it. But there are so
many scenarios of what could go wrong if you fail to get everything right,
too many to list unless you've done a few. For an L1 project KISS I can't
emphasis enough, just get your cert, then play around with the electronics
for your Level 2 certification and believe me, you'll be more happy getting
it on the first try. But if you insist on going with an electronics
ejection, I would also recommend that you do a motor ejection as a backup
just for a safety bumper. If your electronics fail to do what they are
designed to do, you have the motor as a backup. I even flew my L2 on a motor
ejection J350. After that I was using both motor and electronics together
until I was comfortable to go with electronics only. What ever you decide to
do, the best of luck on your cert, I'm sure you'll do well. Just my 2
cents... Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Whitemarsh To:
rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:48 PM Subject:
[RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches At the February WAC meeting
there was some discussion about a group order of J-tek and M-tek electric
matches. I finally received my LEUP yesterday and have been toying with the
idea of ordering some. I am wondering if anyone has already ordered a bunch
of them and, if so, would you be willing to sell some to me? If not, is
there anyone wanting to get some e-matches? I could place the order over the
next few days. I'm to the point in my Level 1 Cert project that I need to be
thinking about testing the ejection charges. Bryan Whitemarsh
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From stefan_jones at comcast.net  Wed Mar 25 15:53:44 2009
From: stefan_jones at comcast.net (stefan_jones at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:53:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
In-Reply-To: <49CAAEF2.3050501@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48594527.1146651238021624780.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Remember: 

Even if it explodes and crumples into junk 20' off the pad, it will be a stunning success for the DPRK and proof of the superiority of juche! 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hammer" <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net> 
To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:23:46 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_re_as/us_nkorea_missile 

Will we intercept if they do launch? 

And will N. Korea respond to our (or the Japanese) doing so? 

This will definitely be a heads-up flight! 

Robert 
_______________________________________________ 
Rockets mailing list 
Rockets at rocketsnw.com 
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 

-------------- next part --------------
Remember:
Even if it explodes and crumples into junk 20' off the pad, it will be a stunning success for the DPRK and proof of the superiority of juche!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hammer" <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:23:46 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_re_as/us_nkorea_missile
Will we intercept if they do launch?
And will N. Korea respond to our (or the Japanese) doing so?
This will definitely be a heads-up flight!
Robert
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Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
??

From bjarchow at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 16:29:00 2009
From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:29:00 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
In-Reply-To: <49CAAEF2.3050501@earthlink.net>
References: <49CAAEF2.3050501@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <a5b4f5770903251629v35c68f37o161d719121e8c73f@mail.gmail.com>

The bigger question is who they are going to blame when their missile fails.

Brian, who still wants to know how the ATF intercepted his V2 at 60 Acres...

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Hammer
<hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>wrote:

> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_re_as/us_nkorea_missile
>
> Will we intercept if they do launch?
>
> And will N. Korea respond to our (or the Japanese) doing so?
>
> This will definitely be a heads-up flight!
>
> Robert
-------------- next part --------------
Brian, who still wants to know how the ATF intercepted his V2 at 60 Acres...
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Hammer
< mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
>
wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_re_as/us_nkorea_missile http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_re_as/us_nkorea_missile
Will we intercept if they do launch?
And will N. Korea respond to our (or the Japanese) doing so?
This will definitely be a heads-up flight!
Robert

From fred at azinger.com  Wed Mar 25 19:33:54 2009
From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:33:54 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] R45 Anyone?
Message-ID: <007201c9adbb$4eb7ae80$ec270b80$@com>

I have more R45 than I can use....just got a bulk shipment and  really....
more than I need.

Anyone want some?  

PM off list...

FredA

 

-------------- next part --------------
I have more R45 than I can use....just got a bulk shipment and ?really.... more than I need.
Anyone want some??
PM off list...
FredA
?

From stefan_jones at comcast.net  Wed Mar 25 19:51:52 2009
From: stefan_jones at comcast.net (stefan_jones at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:51:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] R45 Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <007201c9adbb$4eb7ae80$ec270b80$@com>
Message-ID: <560356104.1237921238035912678.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

An R45? Man, that must have a long burn time! 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Azinger" <fred at azinger.com> 
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:33:54 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [RocketsNW] R45 Anyone? 

I have more R45 than I can use....just got a bulk shipment and really.... more than I need. Anyone want some? PM off list... FredA 
_______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 
-------------- next part --------------
An R45? Man, that must have a long burn time!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Azinger" <fred at azinger.com>
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:33:54 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [RocketsNW] R45 Anyone?
I have more R45 than I can use....just got a bulk shipment and really.... more than I need. Anyone want some? PM off list... FredA
_______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets

From fred.azinger at intel.com  Thu Mar 26 07:43:53 2009
From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:43:53 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] R45 Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <560356104.1237921238035912678.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <007201c9adbb$4eb7ae80$ec270b80$@com>
	<560356104.1237921238035912678.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB46C82211@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>

R45 == HTPB (hydroxyl-terminated polybutadine) == The rubber binder in APCP
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of stefan_jones at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:52 PM
To: Fred Azinger
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] R45 Anyone?

An R45? Man, that must have a long burn time! 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Azinger" <fred at azinger.com> 
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:33:54 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [RocketsNW] R45 Anyone? 

I have more R45 than I can use....just got a bulk shipment and really.... more than I need. Anyone want some? PM off list... FredA 
_______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets 

From jhadv at pacifier.com  Thu Mar 26 09:02:02 2009
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:02:02 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <mailman.613.1238034847.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090326082937.00c25340@mail.iinet.com>

	I did my level 1 on electronic eject --- after two failures.  The whole 
thing was very odd.  The altimeter I was using determined which way was up 
by its orientation when the power was turned on and did not indicate that 
anywhere in the manual.  As a result when I armed the electronics in my 
hand with the unit not properly oriented, the altimeter ejected but no 
where near apogee.  When we figured out what happened and I mentioned to 
the manufacturer that a user might put the electronics in the nose-cone and 
take the nose off the rocket to push a button to arm the electronics with 
the nose not pointing up, all the manufacturer had to say was, "I never 
thought of that."  I noticed he corrected the situation in his software though.
	In my level two attempt I was using the same set-up as I flew four times 
for my level one cert and a bunch of flights.  Everything worked great 
every time.  So I get to Brothers and launch the tested configuration and 
it burned in with the nose cone still on.  I had the electronics protected 
so we got them back and the forensic indicated that it failed because it 
was cold that day about 30 degrees so the battery threw 15% fewer amps and 
the FET on the altimeter had a high RDS-on which was not detected in the 
warmer launches where everything worked great.
	Anyway the moral of the story is that if I had it to do over again I would 
use some form of redundant ejection system, straight timer, motor eject 
something, until the electronics were worked out and tested for all the 
obscure things that could possibly, and sometimes do, go wrong.  Also be 
very careful when matching the battery capacity to the current limits on 
the output FETs.  I had bench trouble with that as well.  But I would also 
agree with you that motor eject is boring and, to me at least, 
inelegant.  Not quite as inelegant as having ones rocket auger in though 
and certainly not as expensive.
       


From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Thu Mar 26 11:05:25 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:05:25 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] HELP!!! Any F52-5 motor reloads in your magazine?
In-Reply-To: <F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB46C82211@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <007201c9adbb$4eb7ae80$ec270b80$@com><560356104.1237921238035912678.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB46C82211@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D97E@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

 
HELP!!!

I just got a call from our supplier telling us that our motor order
(that was supposed to arrive yesterday) has been backordered.  Here we
have beautiful flying weather and no propellants to boost with!

Our TARC teams are screwed if we can't get our hands on some motors
quick!

If anyone in the Seattle area has any F52-5 loads in their magazine,
we'd love to buy them from you!

Peter Schurke
Teacher and Lead Advisor
Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
Ingraham High School
Seattle, WA

From brodwcjj at integrity.com  Thu Mar 26 12:49:59 2009
From: brodwcjj at integrity.com (brodwcjj at integrity.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:49:59 -0500
Subject: [RocketsNW] R45 Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1238094003.5715.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
References: <mailman.5.1238094003.5715.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <20090326144959.16101xw01x1151lw@wm.integrity.com>

long burn  R45 ?    wouldn't that be like a 120 pound railroad flare ?

%-P)
Dustin



From: stefan_jones at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] R45 Anyone?


An R45? Man, that must have a long burn time!

From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org  Thu Mar 26 13:24:16 2009
From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:24:16 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] HELP!!! Any F52-5 motor reloads in your magazine?
In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D97E@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
References: <007201c9adbb$4eb7ae80$ec270b80$@com><560356104.1237921238035912678.JavaMa
	il.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB46C82211@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D97E@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
Message-ID: <a06240802c5f1949b147e@[10.0.1.153]>

How many do you need and how soon? I have a few in stock according to 
inventory, but don't think they could get there before the weekend,

Bob
Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory
www.rocketryshop.org

>
>HELP!!!
>
>I just got a call from our supplier telling us that our motor order
>(that was supposed to arrive yesterday) has been backordered.  Here we
>have beautiful flying weather and no propellants to boost with!
>
>Our TARC teams are screwed if we can't get our hands on some motors
>quick!
>
>If anyone in the Seattle area has any F52-5 loads in their magazine,
>we'd love to buy them from you!
>
>Peter Schurke
>Teacher and Lead Advisor
>Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>Ingraham High School
>Seattle, WA
>_______________________________________________
>Rockets mailing list
>Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>


From sb at berfield.com  Thu Mar 26 15:34:40 2009
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:34:40 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] Some paint stories
Message-ID: <W68662782320641238106880@webmail32>

That's purty.

-----Original Message-----
From: Azinger, Fred [mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:52 AM
To: 'Dave Proffitt', rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Some paint stories

You can see some photos of my L3 "Agent Orange" as painted by Dave at the bottom of the page at: http://www.azinger.com/Freds-L3-Rocket.htm-----Original Message-----From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave ProffittSent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:19 PMTo: OROC ListSubject: [RocketsNW] Some paint storiesPunch Drunk. Now there was a rocket paint party if ever there was one. Youfolks shoulda seen Alex and Dave after sanding on that thing for a couple ofevenings. Alex looked someone had dipped him in flour. He had fiberglassdust all over him. That lasted until we got it into primer then it startedall over again on poor Alex. It was a fun and great time. We really sortahad a vague idea about how we wanted to paint it. After I got the nose conedone with blue marbelizer Alex was so taken with the way it looked that hegot this flash of brilliance and just told me to paint the entire rocketthis color. We did and had the name done in gold and black lettering Ithink? Help me out here Dave. Alex being the semi-impatient guy that he was, was sorta wishy washey aboutme color sanding and polishing the clear coat like I wanted to do. I MADEhim let me do the nose cone so he could see what it looked like and heflipped out! I really enjoyed doing this rocket because Alex was so intoit and the way the paint came out. It was fun, lots of joking, lots ofPepsi cans, potato chip bags and wet sand paper all in my car port duringthe first part of the summer. I miss Alex and his enthusiasm for the sport. I also enjoyed doing Adrian'sprojects as well as Fred's L3 bird. That one had a strange story to it. Fredtold me he wanted to call it agent orange. So I knew we had to use orange init somewhere. Then I started thinking where the stuff was used, in thejungle, so green because the other color. I wanted to balance the colorscheme out a bit because one fin was green I think and a panel down theside? Correct me if I'm wandering here Fred. So I decided to put a greenmarbelizer cap on the nose cone. I shot BC 25 black on the tip of the coneand brought it back 6 -8 inches I guess. Black base is standard on mostmarbelizer colors. I got the marbelizer on it and was gonna break thegreen/orange junction with some horizontal bands like Jeff Bennett's AnimalInstinct. I brought the orange up close to the marbelizer then switchedover to an airbrush. I faded it into green and it hit me! It looked like therocket had flow right thru something orange! So I left it like that. Much tomy relief Fred liked it to. I think Fred's rocket is the only one I've everdone with an asymmetrical paint job. Adrian and I sorta did a little experimenting on his L3 bird. I was unsureof the candies at that time. We thought about using Orion Silver as a base,for some reason we didn't go with that. Adrian liked the darker toneafforded by Solar Gold base we used. The nice thing about the marblizers isthat they have pearl platelets in them that are highly reflective. Once outin the sunlight they sparkle like nobody's business. Adrian's rockets wereabsolutely brilliant in the sun. Adrian is another person that delivers hisprojects to me almost primer-ready. Then we have Jeff Bennett's Animal Instinct. Wow what a deal that was! Jefftold me to "use my imagination!" That was daring on his part, but I likethe freedom of this. What fun it was too.I found a leopard spot stencil up at my paint store! I couldn't believe myluck! I don't know how the colors came about except for the green becausethe "jungle" thing came into it again. I used HOK Organic Green Candy onJeff's bird. I did the nosecone tip in green marbelizer. I did butt it upto two horizontal bands one black and the other silver. I did the nose conein Organic Green Candy and below the AV section did a transition into SolarGold. The thing also had three panels of green marbelizer that went inbetween the fins. For you new folks that haven't seen Jeff's bird it's anUltimate Endeavor. Jeff got some white vinyl lettering "Animal Instinct."Using this was a first for me. I'd never shot clear over this stuff so wedidn't know what the heck was gonna happen! For all I knew it might havemelted the plastic! When I sprayed the clear on it some funny stuff startedhappening. The edges started lifting a little bit. There were some airbubbles in it too. I was beside myself! All that work! All the paint wenton very well. I've learned that when you've been banging your head intosomething like this and run into the wall it's best to go get a Coke. Whathappened next is the reason I'm such an advocate of HOK stuff. The UFC-35Flo Klear is just amazing. It has the properties of leveling itself flatterthan the proverbial pancake. After my Coke and a smile I went back up to thepaint room. Much to my astonishment the clear had flatted the edges and airbubbles to non existence! So I hit it with two more top coats and let it setand cure for about 3 days. I went sanded it and applied three more clearcoats. I then buffed it and that's the story of "Animal Instinct ." A funproject and Jeff was great to work with too.Then we come to Rick Clapp's Cherokee. Now this guy was a study in findingpin holes! Wow. I sent Rick a picture of the booster after I had drawcircles around all the pin holes I had found after filling up all I thoughtI had found! This rocket was also an experiment in using dry pearls. Rickwas gracious enough to let me experiment on his L3 bird! Because thisrocket was mostly white it was a prime candidate for trying some of thesenice pearls I got from Scott and Teresa at Quality Paints. Scott gave me awhole slug of this stuff at a dirt cheap price. We decided that because therocket had a lot of red on it that I should mix the red pearl into one coatof the clear. But first let me tell you about the forward roll patterndecal that we did not put on! When Rick pulled this thing out of the bag itwas crooked and dog-legged lookin thing. I just cringed at using it. It had"user hostile" written all over it. Because I'm a painter I know thingsabout cocky vinyl decals. Rick and I tried for 30 minutes to get it on, andit was an exercise in frustration and a new way of raising my anger level.Finally I got pissed off and ripped it off the rocket much to Rick'samazement. I told Rick I'd do it by hand. Yeah right Dave! Little did Irealize what I was in for. I spent one entire evening laying it out on theforward airframe. But I did it and it came out pretty good. There was just aton of masking done and I was just floored by the fact that there was NOfeathering under all that masking tape. That's why I use the plasticstriping tape. It seals way better than the best masking tapes. I mixed up one gun full of red pearl in with the UFC-35 Flo Klear. To makea long story shorter, after it was all buffed you could look at the rocketdead on in room lighting and it just looked white. Get it out into the sunand it glowed a faint red especially over the black parts of the decals. This thing had a ton of decals all over it. Getting these things on wherethey were supposed to be all the way around was a test. I enjoyed thisproject as well. All the folks I mentioned here as just great to work with.I think the king of Dave's Rocket Painting has to be John Lyngdal. I'vepainted so many of John's rockets that I can't remember all of them. Itseemed like John would bring over a new quart of SG or marbleizer in onehand and another rocket in the other. I think John is responsible for about1/3 of my paint inventory! LOL! Seems like every time I saw him he'd havesome more paint or primer or 5-10 gallons of wash up thinner. John and Ifound lots of new HOK stuff that I might not have explored or used. Oneespecially was the pre-mixed candies. We used a bunch of that stuff on hisMid power stuff if you can call any of John's rockets "mid power?" Smile.Paint stories. What daya know? This sorta stuff is what makes rocketry sospecial to me and so special to the Northwest. We got it on good here folks.Dave Proffitt -----Original Message-----From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Greg DeputySent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:34 AMTo: rockets at rocketsnw.comSubject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...Yeah, Punch Drunk was real pretty. Right up to when we hit the button.But really, too pretty to fly? Cmon. Yes, Proffit paint jobs are beyondbeautiful, but if you think a rocket is too pretty to fly....well.....youneed counseling...> -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On> Behalf Of Adrian L Carbine> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:14 AM> To: Azinger, Fred> Cc: OROC List> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...> > My saddest rocketry day was at LDRS near Amarillo in 2002, when myUltimate> Endeavor had 2 out of 3 J350 outboards CATO on airstart, due to ATpropellant> problems, after a nice K700 initial boost. This rocket had a beautifulmaroon> and black Proffitt/HOK paint job that was a sight to behold. In thesunlight> it just sparkled and shone.> > After the two "pops" in flight, the fin can rained down in pieces, and the> rest of the rocket fell in a flat spin and smashed to the ground. Most ofit> went into the dumpster, with Taps playing and flags at half mast, but Ikept> the uppermost body tube and nose cone just because. The amazing thing isthat> on the inside the BT is all cracked and busted up, but on the outside you> can't even tell. It looks brand new. Of course the layer of fiberglasskept> things together, but that HOK paint is tough and flexible!> > So with the right paint, that hanger queen can be tougher than you would> think, but on the other hand, a nice paint job sometimes seems to attractbad> luck. My other Proffitt-painted bird is my L3, and it has flown severaltimes,> but most of its scratches and dings are from hauling it around to rocketry> show-and-tell sessions.> > --- Adrian> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Azinger, Fredwrote:> > > Are you sure you want a hanger queen this large?> > Dave's paint jobs are so nice, you'll display the rocket as art and> > won't want to fly it.> > I know that is the status on my L3 that Dave painted.> > A nice hanger queen for my Den.....too purdy to fly!> > Even my wife recognizes it as "rocket art."> > FredA> >> > PS: Dave does a hellofva paint job.......highly recommended.......but> > don't say I didn't warn you about not wanting to fly the end result.....> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> > On Behalf Of Brad Wright> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:04 AM> > To: Dave Proffitt; matjamison at aol.com> > Cc: OROC List> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...> >> > Ok I'll bite. I'll do a 6" diameter either Raptor or Velociraptor in> > fiberglass just cause I want a rocket without my usual sh***y paint> > job and instead have it be a Master-Proffitt-Piece. :)> >> > brad> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> > On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 AM> > To: matjamison at aol.com> > Cc: OROC List> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...> >> > Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket! Mike Fisher took> > that design to a higher level with his Velociraptor. I am still gonna> > get one of Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme> > on it. The HOK green marbelizer when applied right has a very> > "reptilian" appearance to it.> > Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL! Was thinking of mostly black with> > green marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold> > fades somewhere. I love black paint. It goes with every color under the> sun.> > You> > can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my> > crazy paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere.> >> > I know! How about an upscale Raptor? I'll do the paint scheme for> > free if someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that.> >> > I like the split fin concept on the booster.> >> > The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on> > a J415. Great flight but everything came out at the same time. Nodamage.> >> > Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the> > trailing edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors.> > I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I> > liked the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod.> >> > Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight.> >> > Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> > On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff...> >> > Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll> > be flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few> > J-350's in some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's> >> > Did someone say Beer??> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> >> > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> >> > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> >> >_______________________________________________Rockets mailing listRockets at rocketsnw.comhttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________Rockets mailing listRockets at rocketsnw.comhttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________Rockets mailing listRockets at rocketsnw.comhttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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From:
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Sent:
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To:
'Dave Proffitt', rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject:
Re: [RocketsNW] Some paint stories
You can see some photos of my L3 "Agent Orange" as painted by Dave at the bottom of the page at: http://www.azinger.com/Freds-L3-Rocket.htm -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:19 PM To: OROC List Subject: [RocketsNW] Some paint stories Punch Drunk. Now there was a rocket paint party if ever there was one. You folks shoulda seen Alex and Dave after sanding on that thing for a couple of evenings. Alex looked someone had dipped him in flour. He had fiberglass dust all over him. That lasted until we got it into primer then it started all over again on poor Alex. It was a fun and great time. We really sorta had a vague idea about how we wanted to paint it. After I got the nose cone done with blue marbelizer Alex was so taken with the way it looked that he got this flash of brilliance and just told me to paint the entire rocket this color. We did and had the name done in gold and black lettering I think? Help me out here Dave. Alex being the semi-impatient guy that he was, was sorta wishy washey about me color sanding and polishing the clear coat like I wanted to do. I MADE him let me do the nose cone so he could see what it looked like and he flipped out! I really enjoyed doing this rocket because Alex was so into it and the way the paint came out. It was fun, lots of joking, lots of Pepsi cans, potato chip bags and wet sand paper all in my car port during the first part of the summer. I miss Alex and his enthusiasm for the sport. I also enjoyed doing Adrian's projects as well as Fred's L3 bird. That one had a strange story to it. Fred told me he wanted to call it agent orange. So I knew we had to use orange in it somewhere. Then I started thinking where the stuff was used, in the jungle, so green because the other color. I wanted to balance the color scheme out a bit because one fin was green I think and a panel down the side? Correct me if I'm wandering here Fred. So I decided to put a green marbelizer cap on the nose cone. I shot BC 25 black on the tip of the cone and brought it back 6 -8 inches I guess. Black base is standard on most marbelizer colors. I got the marbelizer on it and was gonna break the green/orange junction with some horizontal bands like Jeff Bennett's Animal Instinct. I brought the orange up close to the marbelizer then switched over to an airbrush. I faded it into green and it hit me! It looked like the rocket had flow right thru something orange! So I left it like that. Much to my relief Fred liked it to. I think Fred's rocket is the only one I've ever done with an asymmetrical paint job. Adrian and I sorta did a little experimenting on his L3 bird. I was unsure of the candies at that time. We thought about using Orion Silver as a base, for some reason we didn't go with that. Adrian liked the darker tone afforded by Solar Gold base we used. The nice thing about the marblizers is that they have pearl platelets in them that are highly reflective. Once out in the sunlight they sparkle like nobody's business. Adrian's rockets were absolutely brilliant in the sun. Adrian is another person that delivers his projects to me almost primer-ready. Then we have Jeff Bennett's Animal Instinct. Wow what a deal that was! Jeff told me to "use my imagination!" That was daring on his part, but I like the freedom of this. What fun it was too. I found a leopard spot stencil up at my paint store! I couldn't believe my luck! I don't know how the colors came about except for the green because the "jungle" thing came into it again. I used HOK Organic Green Candy on Jeff's bird. I did the nosecone tip in green marbelizer. I did butt it up to two horizontal bands one black and the other silver. I did the nose cone in Organic Green Candy and below the AV section did a transition into Solar Gold. The thing also had three panels of green marbelizer that went in between the fins. For you new folks that haven't seen Jeff's bird it's an Ultimate Endeavor. Jeff got some white vinyl lettering "Animal Instinct." Using this was a first for me. I'd never shot clear over this stuff so we didn't know what the heck was gonna happen! For all I knew it might have melted the plastic! When I sprayed the clear on it some funny stuff started happening. The edges started lifting a little bit. There were some air bubbles in it too. I was beside myself! All that work! All the paint went on very well. I've learned that when you've been banging your head into something like this and run into the wall it's best to go get a Coke. What happened next is the reason I'm such an advocate of HOK stuff. The UFC-35 Flo Klear is just amazing. It has the properties of leveling itself flatter than the proverbial pancake. After my Coke and a smile I went back up to the paint room. Much to my astonishment the clear had flatted the edges and air bubbles to non existence! So I hit it with two more top coats and let it set and cure for about 3 days. I went sanded it and applied three more clear coats. I then buffed it and that's the story of "Animal Instinct ." A fun project and Jeff was great to work with too. Then we come to Rick Clapp's Cherokee. Now this guy was a study in finding pin holes! Wow. I sent Rick a picture of the booster after I had draw circles around all the pin holes I had found after filling up all I thought I had found! This rocket was also an experiment in using dry pearls. Rick was gracious enough to let me experiment on his L3 bird! Because this rocket was mostly white it was a prime candidate for trying some of these nice pearls I got from Scott and Teresa at Quality Paints. Scott gave me a whole slug of this stuff at a dirt cheap price. We decided that because the rocket had a lot of red on it that I should mix the red pearl into one coat of the clear. But first let me tell you about the forward roll pattern decal that we did not put on! When Rick pulled this thing out of the bag it was crooked and dog-legged lookin thing. I just cringed at using it. It had "user hostile" written all over it. Because I'm a painter I know things about cocky vinyl decals. Rick and I tried for 30 minutes to get it on, and it was an exercise in frustration and a new way of raising my anger level. Finally I got pissed off and ripped it off the rocket much to Rick's amazement. I told Rick I'd do it by hand. Yeah right Dave! Little did I realize what I was in for. I spent one entire evening laying it out on the forward airframe. But I did it and it came out pretty good. There was just a ton of masking done and I was just floored by the fact that there was NO feathering under all that masking tape. That's why I use the plastic striping tape. It seals way better than the best masking tapes. I mixed up one gun full of red pearl in with the UFC-35 Flo Klear. To make a long story shorter, after it was all buffed you could look at the rocket dead on in room lighting and it just looked white. Get it out into the sun and it glowed a faint red especially over the black parts of the decals. T his thing had a ton of decals all over it. Getting these things on where they were supposed to be all the way around was a test. I enjoyed this project as well. All the folks I mentioned here as just great to work with. I think the king of Dave's Rocket Painting has to be John Lyngdal. I've painted so many of John's rockets that I can't remember all of them. It seemed like John would bring over a new quart of SG or marbleizer in one hand and another rocket in the other. I think John is responsible for about 1/3 of my paint inventory! LOL! Seems like every time I saw him he'd have some more paint or primer or 5-10 gallons of wash up thinner. John and I found lots of new HOK stuff that I might not have explored or used. One especially was the pre-mixed candies. We used a bunch of that stuff on his Mid power stuff if you can call any of John's rockets "mid power?" Smile. Paint stories. What daya know? This sorta stuff is what makes rocketry so special to me and so special to the Northwest. We got it on good here folks. Dave Proffitt -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Deputy Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:34 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff... Yeah, Punch Drunk was real pretty. Right up to when we hit the button. But really, too pretty to fly? Cmon. Yes, Proffit paint jobs are beyond beautiful, but if you think a rocket is too pretty to fly....well.....you need counseling... > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of Adrian L Carbine > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:14 AM > To: Azinger, Fred > Cc: OROC List > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff... > > My saddest rocketry day was at LDRS near Amarillo in 2002, when my Ultimate > Endeavor had 2 out of 3 J350 outboards CATO on airstart, due to AT propellant > problems, after a nice K700 initial boost. This rocket had a beautiful maroon > and black Proffitt/HOK paint job that was a sight to behold. In the sunlight > it just sparkled and shone. > > After the two "pops" in flight, the fin can rained down in pieces, and the > rest of the rocket fell in a flat spin and smashed to the ground. Most of it > went into the dumpster, with Taps playing and flags at half mast, but I kept > the uppermost body tube and nose cone just because. The amazing thing is that > on the inside the BT is all cracked and busted up, but on the outside you > can't even tell. It looks brand new. Of course the layer of fiberglass kept > things together, but that HOK paint is tough and flexible! > > So with the right paint, that hanger queen can be tougher than you would > think, but on the other hand, a nice paint job sometimes seems to attract bad > luck. My other Proffitt-painted bird is my L3, and it has flown several times, > but most of its scratches and dings are from hauling it around to rocketry > show-and-tell sessions. > > --- Adrian > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Azinger, Fred
wrote: > > > Are you sure you want a hanger queen this large? > > Dave's paint jobs are so nice, you'll display the rocket as art and > > won't want to fly it. > > I know that is the status on my L3 that Dave painted. > > A nice hanger queen for my Den.....too purdy to fly! > > Even my wife recognizes it as "rocket art." > > FredA > > > > PS: Dave does a hellofva paint job.......highly recommended.......but > > don't say I didn't warn you about not wanting to fly the end result..... > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > > On Behalf Of Brad Wright > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:04 AM > > To: Dave Proffitt; matjamison at aol.com > > Cc: OROC List > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff... > > > > Ok I'll bite. I'll do a 6" diameter either Raptor or Velociraptor in > > fiberglass just cause I want a rocket without my usual sh***y paint > > job and instead have it be a Master-Proffitt-Piece. :) > > > > brad > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > > On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 AM > > To: matjamison at aol.com > > Cc: OROC List > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff... > > > > Love those Raptors. What a great looking rocket! Mike Fisher took > > that design to a higher level with his Velociraptor. I am still gonna > > get one of Mike's kits. I want to do a real specialized paint scheme > > on it. The HOK green marbelizer when applied right has a very > > "reptilian" appearance to it. > > Godzilla comes to mind here. LOL! Was thinking of mostly black with > > green marbelizer in panels on the fins and booster and some Solar Gold > > fades somewhere. I love black paint. It goes with every color under the > sun. > > You > > can't say that about any other color. Those of you familiar with my > > crazy paint work know that I usually incorporate black in it somewhere. > > > > I know! How about an upscale Raptor? I'll do the paint scheme for > > free if someone builds it? I would just like to see something like that. > > > > I like the split fin concept on the booster. > > > > The Raptor was my first attempt at electronics. I flew it at Amity on > > a J415. Great flight but everything came out at the same time. No damage. > > > > Because of the name, I took the forward tiny fin set and curved the > > trailing edge of them, reminiscent of the talons on most raptors. > > I painted it BC 25 black with a sort of an aqua or turquoise accent. I > > liked the way it looked sitting on the Quad Pod. > > > > Good luck with your Bro's L2 flight. > > > > Crazy Dave the not so profitable Proffitt > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > > On Behalf Of matjamison at aol.com > > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:29 PM > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: [RocketsNW] Projects?? Fun stuff... > > > > Helping my brother build his L2 rig. Its a Binder design Raptor, we'll > > be flying it on some big I motors this Fits. I hope to fly a few > > J-350's in some of my bigger stuff and ofcourse my share of G64's > > > > Did someone say Beer?? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets

From appusher at q.com  Thu Mar 26 15:43:28 2009
From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:43:28 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] HELP!!! Any F52-5 motor reloads in your magazine?
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> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:05:25 -0700
> From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] HELP!!! Any F52-5 motor reloads in your magazine?
> 
> 
> HELP!!!
> 
> I just got a call from our supplier telling us that our motor order
> (that was supposed to arrive yesterday) has been backordered. Here we
> have beautiful flying weather and no propellants to boost with!
> 
> Our TARC teams are screwed if we can't get our hands on some motors
> quick!
> 
> If anyone in the Seattle area has any F52-5 loads in their magazine,
> we'd love to buy them from you!
> 
> Peter Schurke
> Teacher and Lead Advisor
> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
> Ingraham High School
> Seattle, WA
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> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:05:25 -0700
> From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] HELP!!! Any F52-5 motor reloads in your magazine?
>
>
> HELP!!!
>
> I just got a call from our supplier telling us that our motor order
> (that was supposed to arrive yesterday) has been backordered. Here we
> have beautiful flying weather and no propellants to boost with!
>
> Our TARC teams are screwed if we can't get our hands on some motors
> quick!
>
> If anyone in the Seattle area has any F52-5 loads in their magazine,
> we'd love to buy them from you!
>
> Peter Schurke
> Teacher and Lead Advisor
> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
> Ingraham High School
> Seattle, WA
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From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Thu Mar 26 16:26:19 2009
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:26:19 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] swivels
Message-ID: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099038AF8@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>

So consensus survey:

when you use swivels on your harnesses do you put a swivel at both ends or just one????   What do people do???


thx
Brad
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So consensus survey:
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when you use swivels on your harnesses do you put a swivel at both ends or just one?????? What do people do???
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thx
Brad

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Thu Mar 26 16:51:04 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:51:04 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] swivels
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Not a fan of swivels, they are an extra failure point. Just a hang up from
my climbing days I guess. 


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www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:26 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] swivels

So consensus survey:

when you use swivels on your harnesses do you put a swivel at both ends or
just one????   What do people do???


thx
Brad


From greg at blastzone.com  Thu Mar 26 17:15:43 2009
From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:15:43 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] swivels
In-Reply-To: <D27BBD081A0C45FF84F638F940795591@Mobile2>
References: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099038AF8@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<D27BBD081A0C45FF84F638F940795591@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <02d401c9ae71$2bafd190$830f74b0$@com>

I've not had one fail yet, but I'm sure it'll happen sooner or later.

When I do use them (and some chutes, skyangle I think, actually spin on
purpose so you have to) its just one at the connection point between the
chute and the harness.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:51 PM
> To: 'Brad Wright'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] swivels
> 
> Not a fan of swivels, they are an extra failure point. Just a hang up from
> my climbing days I guess.
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Brad Wright
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:26 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] swivels
> 
> So consensus survey:
> 
> when you use swivels on your harnesses do you put a swivel at both ends or
> just one????   What do people do???
> 
> 
> thx
> Brad
> 
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From dennys at carnitech.net  Thu Mar 26 17:32:06 2009
From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:32:06 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] swivels
In-Reply-To: <02d401c9ae71$2bafd190$830f74b0$@com>
References: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099038AF8@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com><D27BBD081A0C45FF84F638F940795591@Mobile2>
	<02d401c9ae71$2bafd190$830f74b0$@com>
Message-ID: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051083AF1D@ctusone.Carnitechus.local>

If I use them, I only use 1 ea. on the lower (aft) harness, and one on
the main chute connection.  Haven't had one fail, either.


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:16 PM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'; 'Brad Wright'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] swivels

I've not had one fail yet, but I'm sure it'll happen sooner or later.

When I do use them (and some chutes, skyangle I think, actually spin on
purpose so you have to) its just one at the connection point between the
chute and the harness.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:51 PM
> To: 'Brad Wright'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] swivels
> 
> Not a fan of swivels, they are an extra failure point. Just a hang up
from
> my climbing days I guess.
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Brad Wright
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:26 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] swivels
> 
> So consensus survey:
> 
> when you use swivels on your harnesses do you put a swivel at both
ends or
> just one????   What do people do???
> 
> 
> thx
> Brad
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 

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From bclugston1 at comcast.net  Thu Mar 26 17:51:40 2009
From: bclugston1 at comcast.net (Bill Clugston)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:51:40 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] swivels
Message-ID: <8i8vqomp2ox5oaho1wdbqwgi.1238115101161@email.android.com>

I only use one. At the parachute to quick- link connection and it's usually stainless and designed to catch a whale.

Bill Clugston

Brad Wright <bradwr at wrightholdings.com> wrote:

>So consensus survey:
>
>when you use swivels on your harnesses do you put a swivel at both ends or just one????   What do people do???
>
>
>thx
>Brad
>So consensus survey:
>?
>when you use swivels on your harnesses do you put a swivel at both ends or just one?????? What do people do???
>?
>?
>thx
>Brad
>_______________________________________________
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>Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>  

From Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com  Thu Mar 26 16:57:42 2009
From: Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com (Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:57:42 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] swivels
In-Reply-To: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099038AF8@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <OFBFFDBDE4.469EE638-ON88257585.00834369-88257585.0083A043@jci.com>

Seen too many broken swivels to trust them.  Got a bunch of unused
heavy-duty ones that you're more than welcome to.

AFAIK they don't aid in deployment at all, just in the amount of mess &
tangle to deal with later.  I'd rather not have the added failure mode.

 -- Peter



                                                                           
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So consensus survey:

when you use swivels on your harnesses do you put a swivel at both ends or
just one????   What do people do???


thx
Brad
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From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Thu Mar 26 19:44:44 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:44:44 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] [Canceled] OROC April Meeting
Message-ID: <006901c9ae85$fd6b97a0$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>

I realize many are busy with your non-rocketry lives. We truly have no pressing agenda topics, other than the normal business. Which there isn't much.

Couple of things that must be covered, but via email;

1) Fantastic job by Tim and Keith for the March event at Memorial park. Next is April 12th. 

2) Randy Birzer got the Brothers site annual waiver approved. Consider it, same-o same-o. 18.5K with call in 35K waiver. Congrats and Thank you from everyone at OROC. 

Other than that, I have nothing pressing. We'll hold a May meeting to make sure the flying season is locked, loaded, and ready.

Enjoy your April. Please continue to share projects with us. Proffitt's memories of painting rockets was great. We are in Spring. The time has come to fire everyone up. 

And lastly, let's hope the ruling by our DC judge files before the May launch. I still got my LEUP if needed. 

Take care all. May the epoxy dry, the fiberglass sand smooth, the caron fiber construction weigh zero. 

Cheers,
Robert
-------------- next part --------------
I realize many are busy with your non-rocketry lives. We truly have no pressing agenda topics, other than the normal business. Which there isn't much.
?
Couple of things that must be covered, but via email;
?
1) Fantastic job by Tim and Keith for the March event at Memorial park. Next is April 12th.
?
2) Randy Birzer got the Brothers site annual waiver approved. Consider it, same-o same-o. 18.5K with call in 35K waiver. Congrats and Thank you from everyone at OROC.
?
Other than that, I have nothing pressing. We'll hold a May meeting to make sure the flying season is locked, loaded, and ready.
?
Enjoy your April. Please continue to share projects with us. Proffitt's?memories?of painting rockets was great. We are in Spring. The time has come to fire everyone up.
?
And lastly, let's hope the ruling by our DC judge files before the May launch. I still got my LEUP if needed.
?
Take care all. May the epoxy dry, the fiberglass sand smooth, the caron fiber construction weigh zero.
?
Cheers,
Robert

From mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net  Thu Mar 26 20:05:36 2009
From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net (mikeandkimwyvel)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:05:36 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] swivels
In-Reply-To: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099038AF8@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099038AF8@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <003501c9ae88$e76ac810$b6405830$@net>

Just on the parachute end.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:26 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] swivels

So consensus survey:

when you use swivels on your harnesses do you put a swivel at both ends or
just one????   What do people do???


thx
Brad


From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Thu Mar 26 21:19:20 2009
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:19:20 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] swivels
In-Reply-To: <003501c9ae88$e76ac810$b6405830$@net>
References: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099038AF8@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<003501c9ae88$e76ac810$b6405830$@net>
Message-ID: <49CC53C8.6020007@hawkfeather.com>

Swivel at the end of the chute lines, to quick link, to harness. Quick 
links at head & tail of harness.

mikeandkimwyvel wrote:
> Just on the parachute end.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Brad Wright
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:26 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] swivels
> 
> So consensus survey:
> 
> when you use swivels on your harnesses do you put a swivel at both ends or
> just one????   What do people do???
> 
> 
> thx
> Brad
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>   
> 

From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Fri Mar 27 01:23:57 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:23:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
In-Reply-To: <49CAAEF2.3050501@earthlink.net>
References: <49CAAEF2.3050501@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1da226f67116be45cca281f91111cf0e.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

Huge mistake to intercept unless there's good reason to believe it's
actually carrying a warhead.  Interception of ballistic missile tests and
space launches is generally considered an act of war.  Extremely
provocative.

Now, if you can have your secret agents sabotage the thing so it's not
obvious it was sabotaged, that might be an option.  But we don't have such
agents in N. Korea.  They have this peculiar belief that it's better to
torture and kill a hundred good workers than let one spy through...

Take it from a farm boy, never stir up a hornet's nest unless it's a
pre-emptive strike and you have enough Raid to kill 'em all.

That said, their ballistic missile technology suffers from the same kind
of weakness that Scud's do: takes way too long to set them up and prep for
flight.  And the high L/D ratio tells you that they're stretching the
limits of their rocket technology.  It's more like a Vanguard than a
Peacekeeper.

N. Korea does these kinds of things as a way of arm-twisting the US and
other countries for more cash and freebies.  Growl, get fed...

+McG+


> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_re_as/us_nkorea_missile
>
> Will we intercept if they do launch?
>
> And will N. Korea respond to our (or the Japanese) doing so?
>
> This will definitely be a heads-up flight!
>
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>



From IBELCHLOUD at aol.com  Fri Mar 27 03:43:50 2009
From: IBELCHLOUD at aol.com (IBELCHLOUD at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:43:50 EDT
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
Message-ID: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com>

Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time?  Do 
what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest.  The 
electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good reason 
that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.


Lou


**************
Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 
or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
-------------- next part --------------
Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time?? Do what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest.? The electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good reason that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.
Lou
**************
Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

From winningstad at comcast.net  Fri Mar 27 05:18:06 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:18:06 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
In-Reply-To: <1da226f67116be45cca281f91111cf0e.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
References: <49CAAEF2.3050501@earthlink.net>
	<1da226f67116be45cca281f91111cf0e.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
Message-ID: <94A3D557D66349E5ACF197F63011A525@downstair>

Sorry Ken,

N Korea launching ANY missile is an act of war...shoot it down.

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:24 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09

Huge mistake to intercept unless there's good reason to believe it's
actually carrying a warhead.  Interception of ballistic missile tests and
space launches is generally considered an act of war.  Extremely
provocative.

Now, if you can have your secret agents sabotage the thing so it's not
obvious it was sabotaged, that might be an option.  But we don't have such
agents in N. Korea.  They have this peculiar belief that it's better to
torture and kill a hundred good workers than let one spy through...

Take it from a farm boy, never stir up a hornet's nest unless it's a
pre-emptive strike and you have enough Raid to kill 'em all.

That said, their ballistic missile technology suffers from the same kind
of weakness that Scud's do: takes way too long to set them up and prep for
flight.  And the high L/D ratio tells you that they're stretching the
limits of their rocket technology.  It's more like a Vanguard than a
Peacekeeper.

N. Korea does these kinds of things as a way of arm-twisting the US and
other countries for more cash and freebies.  Growl, get fed...

+McG+


> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_re_as/us_nkorea_missile
>
> Will we intercept if they do launch?
>
> And will N. Korea respond to our (or the Japanese) doing so?
>
> This will definitely be a heads-up flight!
>
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>


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From bradwr at wrightholdings.com  Fri Mar 27 06:31:07 2009
From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:31:07 +0000
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
In-Reply-To: <94A3D557D66349E5ACF197F63011A525@downstair>
References: <49CAAEF2.3050501@earthlink.net>
	<1da226f67116be45cca281f91111cf0e.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
	<94A3D557D66349E5ACF197F63011A525@downstair>
Message-ID: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099038EBC@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>

uh guys..... officially we're still at war with N Korea.  it didn't end it's just a 56 yr armistice.

b

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:18 AM
To: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09

Sorry Ken,

N Korea launching ANY missile is an act of war...shoot it down.

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529

It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:24 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09

Huge mistake to intercept unless there's good reason to believe it's
actually carrying a warhead.  Interception of ballistic missile tests and
space launches is generally considered an act of war.  Extremely
provocative.

Now, if you can have your secret agents sabotage the thing so it's not
obvious it was sabotaged, that might be an option.  But we don't have such
agents in N. Korea.  They have this peculiar belief that it's better to
torture and kill a hundred good workers than let one spy through...

Take it from a farm boy, never stir up a hornet's nest unless it's a
pre-emptive strike and you have enough Raid to kill 'em all.

That said, their ballistic missile technology suffers from the same kind
of weakness that Scud's do: takes way too long to set them up and prep for
flight.  And the high L/D ratio tells you that they're stretching the
limits of their rocket technology.  It's more like a Vanguard than a
Peacekeeper.

N. Korea does these kinds of things as a way of arm-twisting the US and
other countries for more cash and freebies.  Growl, get fed...

+McG+


> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_re_as/us_nkorea_missile
>
> Will we intercept if they do launch?
>
> And will N. Korea respond to our (or the Japanese) doing so?
>
> This will definitely be a heads-up flight!
>
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>


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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Fri Mar 27 07:04:54 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:04:54 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
In-Reply-To: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099038EBC@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <49CAAEF2.3050501@earthlink.net><1da226f67116be45cca281f91111cf0e.squirrel@www.wa-net.com><94A3D557D66349E5ACF197F63011A525@downstair>
	<3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099038EBC@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <713E83F2C3C6471989744E169DB31B98@Mobile2>

People forget that......history is hard!(-; 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:31 AM
To: Dennis Winningstad; kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09

uh guys..... officially we're still at war with N Korea.  it didn't end it's
just a 56 yr armistice.

b

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:18 AM
To: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09

Sorry Ken,

N Korea launching ANY missile is an act of war...shoot it down.

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529

It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:24 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09

Huge mistake to intercept unless there's good reason to believe it's
actually carrying a warhead.  Interception of ballistic missile tests and
space launches is generally considered an act of war.  Extremely
provocative.

Now, if you can have your secret agents sabotage the thing so it's not
obvious it was sabotaged, that might be an option.  But we don't have such
agents in N. Korea.  They have this peculiar belief that it's better to
torture and kill a hundred good workers than let one spy through...

Take it from a farm boy, never stir up a hornet's nest unless it's a
pre-emptive strike and you have enough Raid to kill 'em all.

That said, their ballistic missile technology suffers from the same kind of
weakness that Scud's do: takes way too long to set them up and prep for
flight.  And the high L/D ratio tells you that they're stretching the limits
of their rocket technology.  It's more like a Vanguard than a Peacekeeper.

N. Korea does these kinds of things as a way of arm-twisting the US and
other countries for more cash and freebies.  Growl, get fed...

+McG+


> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_re_as/us_nkorea_missile
>
> Will we intercept if they do launch?
>
> And will N. Korea respond to our (or the Japanese) doing so?
>
> This will definitely be a heads-up flight!
>
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>


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From melamy at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 27 07:34:48 2009
From: melamy at earthlink.net (melamy at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:34:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [RocketsNW] 2009 flying season assistance
Message-ID: <885456.1238164489010.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi all, I am trying to get back out to fly rockets this season (house repairs that started in 2007 finally were completed this last fall and life has settled down a bit). If anyone has room in their vehicle for me and a few rocket "things" from time to time, I would be very appreciative. I would glady assist with gas money and give the driver at least one free meal (maybe even APCP...). I just don't do well driving for over an hour anyplace. but I handle being baggage much easier. I am reasonably intelligent and can carry on a good conversation IMHO.

I think I have a ride over to FITS, but so far, they want to drive down Friday and return late Saturday. I would rather stay until at least Sunday if not Monday, but I need to find a way back.

Please contact me off list if you are willing to entertain the idea of playing shuttle commander for FITS or any other launches (Brothers, XPRS, etc). I live in the Kenmore/Bothell area just as a FYI.

best regards, Steve Thatcher
TRA #1424 L2
NAR #54230
http://www.smtdesigns.com/hpr



From jhadv at pacifier.com  Fri Mar 27 08:13:32 2009
From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:13:32 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC APRIL MEETING
In-Reply-To: <mailman.633.1238121904.22240.rockets@rocketsnw.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090327081045.03154e60@mail.iinet.com>

I read Robert's e-mail and I got that there is hardly any business, all of 
which can be taken care of e-mail but I could not find a definitive 
statement about the April meeting being cancelled or not.  Is the OROC 
April meeting cancelled?      


From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com  Fri Mar 27 08:51:24 2009
From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:51:24 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] HELP!!! Any F52-5 motor reloads in your magazine?
In-Reply-To: <a06240802c5f1949b147e@[10.0.1.153]>
References: <007201c9adbb$4eb7ae80$ec270b80$@com><560356104.1237921238035912678.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><F675EE07F28A0A4E933E5F9DD28672FB46C82211@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10942D97E@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>
	<a06240802c5f1949b147e@[10.0.1.153]>
Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121B3C@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com>

I got slammed at work in the afternoon and was nearly late to our dinner
date. I didn't get a chance to look. I will look today.

steve 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Grossfeld [mailto:rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org] 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:24 PM
To: rockets northwest
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] HELP!!! Any F52-5 motor reloads in your
magazine?

How many do you need and how soon? I have a few in stock according to
inventory, but don't think they could get there before the weekend,

Bob
Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory
www.rocketryshop.org

>
>HELP!!!
>
>I just got a call from our supplier telling us that our motor order 
>(that was supposed to arrive yesterday) has been backordered.  Here we 
>have beautiful flying weather and no propellants to boost with!
>
>Our TARC teams are screwed if we can't get our hands on some motors 
>quick!
>
>If anyone in the Seattle area has any F52-5 loads in their magazine, 
>we'd love to buy them from you!
>
>Peter Schurke
>Teacher and Lead Advisor
>Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy
>Ingraham High School
>Seattle, WA
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From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com  Fri Mar 27 08:57:28 2009
From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:57:28 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
In-Reply-To: <94A3D557D66349E5ACF197F63011A525@downstair>
References: <49CAAEF2.3050501@earthlink.net><1da226f67116be45cca281f91111cf0e.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
	<94A3D557D66349E5ACF197F63011A525@downstair>
Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121B3D@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com>

"Take it from a farm boy, never stir up a hornet's nest unless it's a
pre-emptive strike and you have enough Raid to kill 'em all."



Words to live by for sure. In my early work days I was a surveyor. Came
across many-a yellow jacket nest and a few hornet nests too. I knew how
to handle them based on my boyhood (stupid) experiences with bees and
rocks.

steve

From jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 27 09:20:51 2009
From: jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com (Jack Anderson)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:20:51 -0600
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com>
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU137-DS282B24FEF11B5A0241072F08E0@phx.gbl>

I did my level 2 certification at LDRS 17 (1998) and Aerotech was onsite. 
Aerotech actually provided  several free J350s for certification attempts 
and I spoke with Gary Rosenfield when I went to pick-up my free motor and he 
strongly suggested that I use electronics instead of motor ejection.  I 
wasn't set up for electronic deployment and I really wanted to make the 
attempt during LDRS so I went ahead with motor ejection any way.  As it 
turned out Gary was right, my ejection charge was too early and I zippered 
my rocket.  I tried a second time with a different rocket using a J90 that I 
had to pay for.  I still went with motor ejection, and the second time the 
delay was perfect so I got my certification.

--------------------------------------------------
From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:43 AM
To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

> Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time? 
> Do
> what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest. 
> The
> electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good 
> reason
> that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.
>
>
> Lou
>
>
> **************
> Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10
> or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
>



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From michael at garvais.net  Fri Mar 27 09:48:45 2009
From: michael at garvais.net (michael at garvais.net)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:48:45 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
In-Reply-To: <713E83F2C3C6471989744E169DB31B98@Mobile2>
References: <49CAAEF2.3050501@earthlink.net><1da226f67116be45cca281f91111cf0e.squirrel@www.wa-net.com><94A3D557D66349E5ACF197F63011A525@downstair>
	<3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099038EBC@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<713E83F2C3C6471989744E169DB31B98@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <baa3fbbe279a62b8ab00137a3b9c644b@localhost>



More to the point:  Does any one make a high power Taepodong kit?   I want
to fly one at FITS.



From scott at scottsrockets.com  Fri Mar 27 11:04:14 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:04:14 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
In-Reply-To: <baa3fbbe279a62b8ab00137a3b9c644b@localhost>
References: <49CAAEF2.3050501@earthlink.net><1da226f67116be45cca281f91111cf0e.squirrel@www.wa-net.com><94A3D557D66349E5ACF197F63011A525@downstair>
	<3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099038EBC@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<713E83F2C3C6471989744E169DB31B98@Mobile2>
	<baa3fbbe279a62b8ab00137a3b9c644b@localhost>
Message-ID: <CCF2FEB8BA704439A88D8F5875DB299C@Mobile2>

Sorry, it would just be shot down by a rival launch. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: michael at garvais.net [mailto:michael at garvais.net] 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:49 AM
To: Scott T Bowers
Cc: Brad Wright; Dennis Winningstad; kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com;
rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09



More to the point:  Does any one make a high power Taepodong kit?   I want
to fly one at FITS.




From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Fri Mar 27 11:22:03 2009
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:22:03 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
In-Reply-To: <baa3fbbe279a62b8ab00137a3b9c644b@localhost>
References: <49CAAEF2.3050501@earthlink.net><1da226f67116be45cca281f91111cf0e.squirrel@www.wa-net.com><94A3D557D66349E5ACF197F63011A525@downstair>	<3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE2099038EBC@BL2PRD0102MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com>	<713E83F2C3C6471989744E169DB31B98@Mobile2>
	<baa3fbbe279a62b8ab00137a3b9c644b@localhost>
Message-ID: <49CD194B.1030404@hawkfeather.com>

Scratch build it!

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/images/taepodong-design-heritage.jpg

Andrew.

michael at garvais.net wrote:
> 
> More to the point:  Does any one make a high power Taepodong kit?   I want
> to fly one at FITS.

From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 17:00:08 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:00:08 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC April Meeting - Late breaking news/meeting is
	on
Message-ID: <003b01c9af38$2912d820$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>

Tim (our new promo director) just announced a school in Battle Ground interested in a Show and Fly. AND offering as much space to fly as they have available. And yes boys and girls, the science teacher holds a rocketry segment in their curriculum. This could be fun and maybe some re-use of Steve Tarr's materials. 

Sorry for the switcher-roo, flip flopper-roo. The meeting is on. I'll send a formal agenda Sunday night. Next meeting is April 2nd at 7:30pm. Hope to see you there.

Cheers,
Robert


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Krausert 
  To: Robert Krausert ; Randy Birzer ; rockets at rocketsnw.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:44 PM
  Subject: [Canceled] OROC April Meeting


  I realize many are busy with your non-rocketry lives. We truly have no pressing agenda topics, other than the normal business. Which there isn't much.

  Couple of things that must be covered, but via email;

  1) Fantastic job by Tim and Keith for the March event at Memorial park. Next is April 12th. 

  2) Randy Birzer got the Brothers site annual waiver approved. Consider it, same-o same-o. 18.5K with call in 35K waiver. Congrats and Thank you from everyone at OROC. 

  Other than that, I have nothing pressing. We'll hold a May meeting to make sure the flying season is locked, loaded, and ready.

  Enjoy your April. Please continue to share projects with us. Proffitt's memories of painting rockets was great. We are in Spring. The time has come to fire everyone up. 

  And lastly, let's hope the ruling by our DC judge files before the May launch. I still got my LEUP if needed. 

  Take care all. May the epoxy dry, the fiberglass sand smooth, the caron fiber construction weigh zero. 

  Cheers,
  Robert
-------------- next part --------------
Tim (our new promo director) just announced a school in Battle Ground interested in a Show and Fly. AND offering as much space to fly as they have available. And yes boys and girls, the science teacher holds a rocketry segment in their curriculum.?This could be fun and maybe some re-use of Steve Tarr's materials.
?
Sorry for the switcher-roo, flip flopper-roo. The meeting is?on. I'll send a formal?agenda Sunday night. Next meeting is April 2nd at 7:30pm. Hope to see you there.
?
Cheers,
Robert
?
?
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert
To:
mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert
; mailto:randybirzer at comcast.net Randy Birzer
; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Sent:
Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:44 PM
Subject:
[Canceled] OROC April Meeting
I realize many are busy with your non-rocketry lives. We truly have no pressing agenda topics, other than the normal business. Which there isn't much.
?
Couple of things that must be covered, but via email;
?
1) Fantastic job by Tim and Keith for the March event at Memorial park. Next is April 12th.
?
2) Randy Birzer got the Brothers site annual waiver approved. Consider it, same-o same-o. 18.5K with call in 35K waiver. Congrats and Thank you from everyone at OROC.
?
Other than that, I have nothing pressing. We'll hold a May meeting to make sure the flying season is locked, loaded, and ready.
?
Enjoy your April. Please continue to share projects with us. Proffitt's?memories?of painting rockets was great. We are in Spring. The time has come to fire everyone up.
?
And lastly, let's hope the ruling by our DC judge files before the May launch. I still got my LEUP if needed.
?
Take care all. May the epoxy dry, the fiberglass sand smooth, the caron fiber construction weigh zero.
?
Cheers,
Robert

From tnetcenter at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 18:59:01 2009
From: tnetcenter at gmail.com (Jeff Moore)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:59:01 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER>

The KISS principle plays a BIG part in this.  L1 certs should be as simple 
as possible.  This is especially true for people that have never fired 
anything bigger than a D or E motor.  Bringing in dual deployment, 
electronics, and all the associated complexity for an L1 cert is asking for 
trouble.  Is it doable?  Absolutely!  Just not recommended.  Save the 
electronics for your L2 cert, it's gonna be hard enough as is.

Jeff Moore
TRA #9861 L2
BORG

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches


Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time?  Do
what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest. 
The
electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good reason
that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.


Lou



From scott at scottsrockets.com  Fri Mar 27 19:20:58 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:20:58 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER>
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com>
	<D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER>
Message-ID: <48F8F3621EEC44E6A96A9351E62E9453@Mobile2>

I always completely disagree on this subject. Some people come into the
hobby with more technical prowess than others. Some are lucky to get a
simple H level 1 back and another guy will fly an I with dual deploy,
camera, and a proton matter trasmuter. Do what you feel comfortable with,
ask for advice, and show it to someone with experience. Yea yea, simple
makes for a better chance of success but rocketry is what you want it to be.



Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:59 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

The KISS principle plays a BIG part in this.  L1 certs should be as simple
as possible.  This is especially true for people that have never fired
anything bigger than a D or E motor.  Bringing in dual deployment,
electronics, and all the associated complexity for an L1 cert is asking for
trouble.  Is it doable?  Absolutely!  Just not recommended.  Save the
electronics for your L2 cert, it's gonna be hard enough as is.

Jeff Moore
TRA #9861 L2
BORG

----- Original Message -----
From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches


Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time?  Do
what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest. 
The
electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good reason
that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.


Lou


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From pmschurke at seattleschools.org  Fri Mar 27 20:31:16 2009
From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:31:16 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com><D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER>
	<48F8F3621EEC44E6A96A9351E62E9453@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9A3D@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org>

Having flown with Bryan before and having seen the level of (excuse the term) "anality" with which he crafts his vehicles (the things are freakin' gorgeous!), I can say with a high degree of certainty that he knows what he's doing.  
 
Whereas I used the KISS principle in the extreme on my L1 cert, and am trying to KISS it as much as possible for my upcoming L2, he's going the other direction and wants to challenge himself.  More power to him!
 
Remember the engineer's credo:  "If it ain't broken, you haven't added enough features yet..."
 
Pete

________________________________

From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Fri 3/27/2009 7:20 PM
To: 'Jeff Moore'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches



I always completely disagree on this subject. Some people come into the
hobby with more technical prowess than others. Some are lucky to get a
simple H level 1 back and another guy will fly an I with dual deploy,
camera, and a proton matter trasmuter. Do what you feel comfortable with,
ask for advice, and show it to someone with experience. Yea yea, simple
makes for a better chance of success but rocketry is what you want it to be.



Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com


-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:59 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

The KISS principle plays a BIG part in this.  L1 certs should be as simple
as possible.  This is especially true for people that have never fired
anything bigger than a D or E motor.  Bringing in dual deployment,
electronics, and all the associated complexity for an L1 cert is asking for
trouble.  Is it doable?  Absolutely!  Just not recommended.  Save the
electronics for your L2 cert, it's gonna be hard enough as is.

Jeff Moore
TRA #9861 L2
BORG

----- Original Message -----
From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches


Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time?  Do
what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest.
The
electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good reason
that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.


Lou


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From bar0051 at homenetnw.net  Fri Mar 27 20:28:21 2009
From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net (Bryon Schopp)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:28:21 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com><D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER>
	<48F8F3621EEC44E6A96A9351E62E9453@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <746C0C196F4849A3975D29C3FA109DD8@MEDIONDeskTop>

I agree with the idea of doing what you are comfortable with.  That said, I 
was more nervous about my first dual deploy flight than I was about my cert 
flights.  I used dual deploy on my level 2 cert flight but I had made 
several dual deploy flights on I motors before my level 2 cert flight so I 
was not to worried about it.  So if you have practice with dual deploy go 
for it, but I would not recommend it for a cert flight if not.
My $.02

Bryon Schopp

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
To: "'Jeff Moore'" <tnetcenter at gmail.com>; <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches


>I always completely disagree on this subject. Some people come into the
> hobby with more technical prowess than others. Some are lucky to get a
> simple H level 1 back and another guy will fly an I with dual deploy,
> camera, and a proton matter trasmuter. Do what you feel comfortable with,
> ask for advice, and show it to someone with experience. Yea yea, simple
> makes for a better chance of success but rocketry is what you want it to 
> be.
>
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:59 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
>
> The KISS principle plays a BIG part in this.  L1 certs should be as simple
> as possible.  This is especially true for people that have never fired
> anything bigger than a D or E motor.  Bringing in dual deployment,
> electronics, and all the associated complexity for an L1 cert is asking 
> for
> trouble.  Is it doable?  Absolutely!  Just not recommended.  Save the
> electronics for your L2 cert, it's gonna be hard enough as is.
>
> Jeff Moore
> TRA #9861 L2
> BORG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
>
>
> Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time? 
> Do
> what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest.
> The
> electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good 
> reason
> that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.
>
>
> Lou
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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>
>
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>
> 


From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 20:47:08 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:47:08 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com><D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER><48F8F3621EEC44E6A96A9351E62E9453@Mobile2>
	<746C0C196F4849A3975D29C3FA109DD8@MEDIONDeskTop>
Message-ID: <00b301c9af57$df07b690$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>

I absolutely agree with Bryon's comment. My L1 rocket was planned for dual 
deploy. I had another rocket with me and last minute chose it for my L1. Got 
my L1 on motor recovery and 45 minutes later I flew my first I211 motor with 
my dual deploy rocket. Get the cert over with and then practice and test 
your systems.

Ground test, ground test, ground test, ground test, ground test, ground 
test, ground test, ground test, ground test, ground test, ground test, 
ground test

I do not care if you're cert level is 1, 2 or 3. Ground test everything you 
can. To learn your equipment and to understand what to expect.

Cheers,
Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryon Schopp" <bar0051 at homenetnw.net>
To: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>; "'Jeff Moore'" 
<tnetcenter at gmail.com>; <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches


>I agree with the idea of doing what you are comfortable with.  That said, I
> was more nervous about my first dual deploy flight than I was about my 
> cert
> flights.  I used dual deploy on my level 2 cert flight but I had made
> several dual deploy flights on I motors before my level 2 cert flight so I
> was not to worried about it.  So if you have practice with dual deploy go
> for it, but I would not recommend it for a cert flight if not.
> My $.02
>
> Bryon Schopp
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
> To: "'Jeff Moore'" <tnetcenter at gmail.com>; <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
>
>
>>I always completely disagree on this subject. Some people come into the
>> hobby with more technical prowess than others. Some are lucky to get a
>> simple H level 1 back and another guy will fly an I with dual deploy,
>> camera, and a proton matter trasmuter. Do what you feel comfortable with,
>> ask for advice, and show it to someone with experience. Yea yea, simple
>> makes for a better chance of success but rocketry is what you want it to
>> be.
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott T. Bowers
>> www.scottsrockets.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:59 PM
>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
>>
>> The KISS principle plays a BIG part in this.  L1 certs should be as 
>> simple
>> as possible.  This is especially true for people that have never fired
>> anything bigger than a D or E motor.  Bringing in dual deployment,
>> electronics, and all the associated complexity for an L1 cert is asking
>> for
>> trouble.  Is it doable?  Absolutely!  Just not recommended.  Save the
>> electronics for your L2 cert, it's gonna be hard enough as is.
>>
>> Jeff Moore
>> TRA #9861 L2
>> BORG
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
>>
>>
>> Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time?
>> Do
>> what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest.
>> The
>> electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good
>> reason
>> that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.
>>
>>
>> Lou
>>
>>
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From bigrockets at verizon.net  Fri Mar 27 21:26:20 2009
From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:26:20 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
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I was stationed in Korea in the US Army from 1967 to 1968.  Camp Casey where
my battery base was, is located in a city named Tong Du Chon. It's a bit
north not all that far from the DMZ. Charlie battery was really close. Some
of the guys there said they could see parts of North Korea from their Tac
site.  There was so much stuff going on up there than no one heard about in
the States. I had a couple of friends stationed in 2nd Division, Indian
Head. These guys got routinely shot at odd times during the day if they were
around their battery area. This was an everyday occurrence.  Yeah the DMZ is
still hot don't think it isn't. 

The North Koreas love to screw around with the South. On Christmas day we (a
couple of us maintenance types) were languishing in the mess hall. All hell
broke loose in the battery area, Jeeps and duce and halfs starting up
running around. The office clerk came running into the mess hall and told us
that the tac site was going up to battle stations and the we needed to get
our butts up there, that there was a truck on the way up.  When I got up
there Bravo sector was up and ready to rock and roll.  The illuminator was
tracking two Migs.  All the launchers in b section were slaved into the
illuminator and were slewing along with it. A strange site to see for sure.
I went down to the launchers and asked the launcher crew chief if everything
was running right. He told me with a smile that it was fine. So I went up
the BCC (Battery Control Center) and met my side kick Charlie King
(228-Illuminator BCC  technician). Two operators were sitting in front of
the fire control consoles. These consoles receive video from the PAR.  Every
time the cursor would come around we'd see these two blips coming a little
closer.  On the FC consoles there are six sets of three buttons in a sort of
triad configuration. Each button has a big white "F" in the middle of it.
When these buttons are lit (bright red) it means the missile is locked on,
it's on internal power, and the S & A initiator and the rocket motor
initiator are installed and hooked up.  None of the missile fire buttons in
alpha sector were lit but all of them in Bravo were.  A Hawk site has a
total of 6 missile launchers. They are divided into two sections alpha and
bravo. Each launcher holds three missiles. 

To make a long story short we watched these darn Migs fly right over the top
of our Tack site. The buggers even did a barrel roll.  Those migs reminded
me of a couple of kerosene lamps with wings on. Lots of black smoke.  Pretty
soon one of the operators started hollering at us. I didn't have time to get
back up to the BCC before two F100 Super Sabers came up over a low mountain,
and I could hear the whine of their Turbines to this day. These two guys
were ROC Airforce Pilots.  The Koreans have ROC Marines, (bad asses too!)
and ROC Airforce. (Equally bad.) Well these guys had the pedal to the metal.
We went back up to the BCC. The poor old illuminator had all sorts of stuff
to track now, but they kept locked onto the Migs. Now we were looking at
four blips on the FC consoles not two. The last two blips were catching the
first two pretty fast.  Pretty soon there were only the last two blips. I
don't know if they ran outside the video range of our PAR (pulse acquisition
radar) or if they flew down into a rice paddy or valley, but we never saw
them again. I'd like to think that the Roc guys shot them down.  I don't
know what happened, we couldn't get clearance to fire on them. It made me
wonder why the hell we even had a Tac site up there.  But that's how things
are up North Korea way. I'll bet it ain't a hell of a lot different today
either.

Dave Proffitt

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Brad Wright
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:31 AM
To: Dennis Winningstad; kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09

uh guys..... officially we're still at war with N Korea.  it didn't end it's
just a 56 yr armistice.

b

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:18 AM
To: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09

Sorry Ken,

N Korea launching ANY missile is an act of war...shoot it down.

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529

It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:24 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09

Huge mistake to intercept unless there's good reason to believe it's
actually carrying a warhead.  Interception of ballistic missile tests and
space launches is generally considered an act of war.  Extremely
provocative.

Now, if you can have your secret agents sabotage the thing so it's not
obvious it was sabotaged, that might be an option.  But we don't have such
agents in N. Korea.  They have this peculiar belief that it's better to
torture and kill a hundred good workers than let one spy through...

Take it from a farm boy, never stir up a hornet's nest unless it's a
pre-emptive strike and you have enough Raid to kill 'em all.

That said, their ballistic missile technology suffers from the same kind
of weakness that Scud's do: takes way too long to set them up and prep for
flight.  And the high L/D ratio tells you that they're stretching the
limits of their rocket technology.  It's more like a Vanguard than a
Peacekeeper.

N. Korea does these kinds of things as a way of arm-twisting the US and
other countries for more cash and freebies.  Growl, get fed...

+McG+


> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_re_as/us_nkorea_missile
>
> Will we intercept if they do launch?
>
> And will N. Korea respond to our (or the Japanese) doing so?
>
> This will definitely be a heads-up flight!
>
> Robert
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From dmrandall at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 21:27:42 2009
From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:27:42 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <BLU137-DS282B24FEF11B5A0241072F08E0@phx.gbl>
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I agree with Lou - whatever meets your own personal objective for
certifications, do that.  The argument of what to use can go either
way.  For someone who's done electronics successfully and relies on
the altimeter to determine apogee and pop the chute, using motor eject
may actually cause them to fail the cert with a zipper or deployment
separation if they've chosen the wrong delay.  For those who have
motor eject down calculated correctly, adding the altimeter without
sufficient testing or experience (especially on a 'nervous-enough
already' flight) could end up with any number of failures (low
battery, upside down altimeter, poor connections, wrong sized ejection
charge, etc, etc..).

In what I've seen, many people who are getting L1 have been able to do
motor eject successfully for a while and now want to get bigger
motors, more complex rockets.  L1 is the 'entry bar' for that.
Certain SPARC member skinny-rocket-altitude-seeking flyers aside,
generally rockets up to L1 are low altitude and few people put
electronics in their E/F/G motor based rockets.  I don't see many
people pre-L1 that are experienced with electronics, unless they've
been involved with TARC or needed altitude verification.

At L2, probably over half of the people getting the L2 have ventured
into electronics, and have some decent repeat experience with using
alts for single/dual deploy, they now want to get into bigger motor
classes.  Doing dual deploy with motor eject backup is my most
successful method of flying (or dual alts if the motor doesn't support
ejection).  I would advise anyone who has a good, proven altimeter and
flown successfully with that, go for it on their cert flight.

My recommendation would be:
A) Know what your objective is for the certification flight - that's
your guiding principle for how you build/prep/fly the rocket.
B) Go with a build/fly/deployment method that you know works well for you.
C) Don't use the certification flight as your 'testing ground.'

Dave

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Jack Anderson
<jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I did my level 2 certification at LDRS 17 (1998) and Aerotech was onsite.
> Aerotech actually provided ?several free J350s for certification attempts
> and I spoke with Gary Rosenfield when I went to pick-up my free motor and he
> strongly suggested that I use electronics instead of motor ejection. ?I
> wasn't set up for electronic deployment and I really wanted to make the
> attempt during LDRS so I went ahead with motor ejection any way. ?As it
> turned out Gary was right, my ejection charge was too early and I zippered
> my rocket. ?I tried a second time with a different rocket using a J90 that I
> had to pay for. ?I still went with motor ejection, and the second time the
> delay was perfect so I got my certification.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:43 AM
> To: <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
>
>> Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time?
>> Do
>> what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest.
>> The
>> electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good
>> reason
>> that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.
>>
>>
>> Lou
>>
>>
>> **************
>> Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? ?Make dinner for $10
>> or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
>>
>
>
>
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-- 
- Dave

From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Sat Mar 28 02:26:06 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC April Meeting - Late breaking news/meeting is
 on
In-Reply-To: <003b01c9af38$2912d820$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
References: <003b01c9af38$2912d820$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <4eb8ea1dd5387bdadfd04b7d007cd4d1.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

Battleground is my neck-o-the-woods.  Send me contact info and I'll be
happy to help out.

+McG+


> Tim (our new promo director) just announced a school in Battle Ground
> interested in a Show and Fly. AND offering as much space to fly as they
> have available. And yes boys and girls, the science teacher holds a
> rocketry segment in their curriculum.?This could be fun and maybe some
> re-use of Steve Tarr's materials.
> ?
> Sorry for the switcher-roo, flip flopper-roo. The meeting is?on. I'll send
> a formal?agenda Sunday night. Next meeting is April 2nd at 7:30pm. Hope to
> see you there.
> ?
> Cheers,
> Robert
> ?
> ?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert
> To:
> mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert
> ; mailto:randybirzer at comcast.net Randy Birzer
> ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Sent:
> Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:44 PM
> Subject:
> [Canceled] OROC April Meeting
> I realize many are busy with your non-rocketry lives. We truly have no
> pressing agenda topics, other than the normal business. Which there isn't
> much.
> ?
> Couple of things that must be covered, but via email;
> ?
> 1) Fantastic job by Tim and Keith for the March event at Memorial park.
> Next is April 12th.
> ?
> 2) Randy Birzer got the Brothers site annual waiver approved. Consider it,
> same-o same-o. 18.5K with call in 35K waiver. Congrats and Thank you from
> everyone at OROC.
> ?
> Other than that, I have nothing pressing. We'll hold a May meeting to make
> sure the flying season is locked, loaded, and ready.
> ?
> Enjoy your April. Please continue to share projects with us.
> Proffitt's?memories?of painting rockets was great. We are in Spring. The
> time has come to fire everyone up.
> ?
> And lastly, let's hope the ruling by our DC judge files before the May
> launch. I still got my LEUP if needed.
> ?
> Take care all. May the epoxy dry, the fiberglass sand smooth, the caron
> fiber construction weigh zero.
> ?
> Cheers,
> Robert
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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Sat Mar 28 02:39:13 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:39:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <00b301c9af57$df07b690$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com><D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER><48F8F3621EEC44E6A96A9351E62E9453@Mobile2>
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Or, putting it another way, as a very wise old rocket builder named Piper
once told me, *anything* left to chance in a rocket absolutely positively
WILL fail in such a way as to cause the worst possible outcome.

Chance is Murphy's playground!
+McG+


> I absolutely agree with Bryon's comment. My L1 rocket was planned for dual
> deploy. I had another rocket with me and last minute chose it for my L1.
> Got
> my L1 on motor recovery and 45 minutes later I flew my first I211 motor
> with
> my dual deploy rocket. Get the cert over with and then practice and test
> your systems.
>
> Ground test, ground test, ground test, ground test, ground test, ground
> test, ground test, ground test, ground test, ground test, ground test,
> ground test
>
> I do not care if you're cert level is 1, 2 or 3. Ground test everything
> you
> can. To learn your equipment and to understand what to expect.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryon Schopp" <bar0051 at homenetnw.net>
> To: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>; "'Jeff Moore'"
> <tnetcenter at gmail.com>; <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
>
>
>>I agree with the idea of doing what you are comfortable with.  That said,
>> I
>> was more nervous about my first dual deploy flight than I was about my
>> cert
>> flights.  I used dual deploy on my level 2 cert flight but I had made
>> several dual deploy flights on I motors before my level 2 cert flight so
>> I
>> was not to worried about it.  So if you have practice with dual deploy
>> go
>> for it, but I would not recommend it for a cert flight if not.
>> My $.02
>>
>> Bryon Schopp
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott T Bowers" <scott at scottsrockets.com>
>> To: "'Jeff Moore'" <tnetcenter at gmail.com>; <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
>>
>>
>>>I always completely disagree on this subject. Some people come into the
>>> hobby with more technical prowess than others. Some are lucky to get a
>>> simple H level 1 back and another guy will fly an I with dual deploy,
>>> camera, and a proton matter trasmuter. Do what you feel comfortable
>>> with,
>>> ask for advice, and show it to someone with experience. Yea yea, simple
>>> makes for a better chance of success but rocketry is what you want it
>>> to
>>> be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott T. Bowers
>>> www.scottsrockets.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
>>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:59 PM
>>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
>>>
>>> The KISS principle plays a BIG part in this.  L1 certs should be as
>>> simple
>>> as possible.  This is especially true for people that have never fired
>>> anything bigger than a D or E motor.  Bringing in dual deployment,
>>> electronics, and all the associated complexity for an L1 cert is asking
>>> for
>>> trouble.  Is it doable?  Absolutely!  Just not recommended.  Save the
>>> electronics for your L2 cert, it's gonna be hard enough as is.
>>>
>>> Jeff Moore
>>> TRA #9861 L2
>>> BORG
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
>>>
>>>
>>> Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the
>>> time?
>>> Do
>>> what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the
>>> happiest.
>>> The
>>> electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good
>>> reason
>>> that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your
>>> cert.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lou
>>>
>>>
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From winningstad at comcast.net  Sat Mar 28 03:41:52 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:41:52 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER>
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com>
	<D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER>
Message-ID: <923D194602234854A6655F49E2A450B2@downstair>

I respectfully disagree, Jeff.  It 'should be' what ever the invididual
(sic) wants!  If they don't make it, so what?  They get to fly again...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:59 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

The KISS principle plays a BIG part in this.  L1 certs should be as simple 
as possible.  This is especially true for people that have never fired 
anything bigger than a D or E motor.  Bringing in dual deployment, 
electronics, and all the associated complexity for an L1 cert is asking for 
trouble.  Is it doable?  Absolutely!  Just not recommended.  Save the 
electronics for your L2 cert, it's gonna be hard enough as is.

Jeff Moore
TRA #9861 L2
BORG

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches


Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time?  Do
what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest. 
The
electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good reason
that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.


Lou


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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Sat Mar 28 10:07:32 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:07:32 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <923D194602234854A6655F49E2A450B2@downstair>
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com><D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER>
	<923D194602234854A6655F49E2A450B2@downstair>
Message-ID: <B3FB746508DA4D48B6525CED88C4B9F3@Mobile2>

I would add one caveat, the rocket, motor ejection or wired with triple
redundant electronics, must not pose a excessive danger. Seen a few come to
the RSO with fins not glued in very good......... 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:42 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

I respectfully disagree, Jeff.  It 'should be' what ever the invididual
(sic) wants!  If they don't make it, so what?  They get to fly again...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:59 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

The KISS principle plays a BIG part in this.  L1 certs should be as simple
as possible.  This is especially true for people that have never fired
anything bigger than a D or E motor.  Bringing in dual deployment,
electronics, and all the associated complexity for an L1 cert is asking for
trouble.  Is it doable?  Absolutely!  Just not recommended.  Save the
electronics for your L2 cert, it's gonna be hard enough as is.

Jeff Moore
TRA #9861 L2
BORG

----- Original Message -----
From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches


Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time?  Do
what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest. 
The
electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good reason
that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.


Lou


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From winningstad at comcast.net  Sat Mar 28 10:37:54 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:37:54 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <B3FB746508DA4D48B6525CED88C4B9F3@Mobile2>
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com><D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER>
	<923D194602234854A6655F49E2A450B2@downstair>
	<B3FB746508DA4D48B6525CED88C4B9F3@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <5360DD66D46143DA9B16C62A23EA25CE@downstair>

Geeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, Scott...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:08 AM
To: 'Dennis Winningstad'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

I would add one caveat, the rocket, motor ejection or wired with triple
redundant electronics, must not pose a excessive danger. Seen a few come to
the RSO with fins not glued in very good......... 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:42 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

I respectfully disagree, Jeff.  It 'should be' what ever the invididual
(sic) wants!  If they don't make it, so what?  They get to fly again...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:59 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

The KISS principle plays a BIG part in this.  L1 certs should be as simple
as possible.  This is especially true for people that have never fired
anything bigger than a D or E motor.  Bringing in dual deployment,
electronics, and all the associated complexity for an L1 cert is asking for
trouble.  Is it doable?  Absolutely!  Just not recommended.  Save the
electronics for your L2 cert, it's gonna be hard enough as is.

Jeff Moore
TRA #9861 L2
BORG

----- Original Message -----
From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches


Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time?  Do
what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest. 
The
electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good reason
that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.


Lou


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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Sat Mar 28 10:39:52 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:39:52 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <5360DD66D46143DA9B16C62A23EA25CE@downstair>
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com><D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER>
	<923D194602234854A6655F49E2A450B2@downstair>
	<B3FB746508DA4D48B6525CED88C4B9F3@Mobile2>
	<5360DD66D46143DA9B16C62A23EA25CE@downstair>
Message-ID: <5297C6E57E8F4916B55EF5782B5BBA61@Mobile2>

Come on, you know you have seen one of those and sent them back to their
camp..... 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Winningstad [mailto:winningstad at comcast.net] 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:38 AM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

Geeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, Scott...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:08 AM
To: 'Dennis Winningstad'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

I would add one caveat, the rocket, motor ejection or wired with triple
redundant electronics, must not pose a excessive danger. Seen a few come to
the RSO with fins not glued in very good......... 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:42 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

I respectfully disagree, Jeff.  It 'should be' what ever the invididual
(sic) wants!  If they don't make it, so what?  They get to fly again...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:59 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

The KISS principle plays a BIG part in this.  L1 certs should be as simple
as possible.  This is especially true for people that have never fired
anything bigger than a D or E motor.  Bringing in dual deployment,
electronics, and all the associated complexity for an L1 cert is asking for
trouble.  Is it doable?  Absolutely!  Just not recommended.  Save the
electronics for your L2 cert, it's gonna be hard enough as is.

Jeff Moore
TRA #9861 L2
BORG

----- Original Message -----
From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches


Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time?  Do
what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest. 
The
electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good reason
that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.


Lou


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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Sat Mar 28 10:52:10 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:52:10 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <3648E09F51E04AD1B942EA4794D7880B@downstair>
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com><D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER>
	<923D194602234854A6655F49E2A450B2@downstair>
	<B3FB746508DA4D48B6525CED88C4B9F3@Mobile2>
	<5360DD66D46143DA9B16C62A23EA25CE@downstair>
	<5297C6E57E8F4916B55EF5782B5BBA61@Mobile2>
	<3648E09F51E04AD1B942EA4794D7880B@downstair>
Message-ID: <4AD6D05341EC429DB9D59E037FB09A9A@Mobile2>

Yea, no duh, but common sense is not always so common. Seen a couple things
slide through over the years that should not have. Just didn't want to give
new flyers the impression that certification flights were an anything goes
kinda thing.


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Winningstad [mailto:winningstad at comcast.net] 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:48 AM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

Yes, but like, no duhh!!!

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:40 AM
To: 'Dennis Winningstad'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

Come on, you know you have seen one of those and sent them back to their
camp..... 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Winningstad [mailto:winningstad at comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:38 AM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

Geeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, Scott...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:08 AM
To: 'Dennis Winningstad'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

I would add one caveat, the rocket, motor ejection or wired with triple
redundant electronics, must not pose a excessive danger. Seen a few come to
the RSO with fins not glued in very good......... 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:42 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

I respectfully disagree, Jeff.  It 'should be' what ever the invididual
(sic) wants!  If they don't make it, so what?  They get to fly again...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:59 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

The KISS principle plays a BIG part in this.  L1 certs should be as simple
as possible.  This is especially true for people that have never fired
anything bigger than a D or E motor.  Bringing in dual deployment,
electronics, and all the associated complexity for an L1 cert is asking for
trouble.  Is it doable?  Absolutely!  Just not recommended.  Save the
electronics for your L2 cert, it's gonna be hard enough as is.

Jeff Moore
TRA #9861 L2
BORG

----- Original Message -----
From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches


Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time?  Do
what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest. 
The
electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good reason
that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.


Lou


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From worthenc at msn.com  Sat Mar 28 18:54:24 2009
From: worthenc at msn.com (JAMES C WORTHEN)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:54:24 -0600
Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
Message-ID: <BAY103-DS2EB92BD3C177D2FDE4CC6DB8C0@phx.gbl>

Could someone please explain to me why a particular rocket sims out to 774 to 802 (depending on minor adjustment in the weight) and actually only flies to 600' to 620'?  We have been over the data many times and there does not seem to be anything missing from the data pertaining to the rocket in Rocksim.  We then run a simulation  on the same rocket with a new G80 (137 Ns total impulse) and it shows an altitude of 1100' which is the altitude it flies to????  All other simulations come out quite close except the G64.  Anybody with any ideas please let me know what you think.
Thanks
J C Worthen
NAR 7095 L2
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Could someone please explain to me why a particular rocket sims out to 774 to 802 (depending on minor adjustment in the weight) and actually only flies?to 600' to 620'?? We have been over the data many times and there does not seem to be anything?missing from the data pertaining to the rocket in Rocksim.? We then run a simulation? on the same rocket with a new G80 (137 Ns total impulse) and it shows an altitude of 1100' which is the altitude it flies to????? All other simulations come out quite close except the G64.? Anybody with any ideas please let me know what you think.
Thanks
J C Worthen
NAR 7095 L2

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Sat Mar 28 19:16:15 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:16:15 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DS2EB92BD3C177D2FDE4CC6DB8C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-DS2EB92BD3C177D2FDE4CC6DB8C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <725ABB70F0034BA6BF6DFCA133457BFE@Mobile2>

In this case I would say the motor file may be off. I believe the
formulations change from time to time, that may be the case.  


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of JAMES C WORTHEN
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:54 PM
To: rockets
Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?

Could someone please explain to me why a particular rocket sims out to 774
to 802 (depending on minor adjustment in the weight) and actually only flies
to 600' to 620'?  We have been over the data many times and there does not
seem to be anything missing from the data pertaining to the rocket in
Rocksim.  We then run a simulation  on the same rocket with a new G80 (137
Ns total impulse) and it shows an altitude of 1100' which is the altitude it
flies to????  All other simulations come out quite close except the G64.
Anybody with any ideas please let me know what you think.
Thanks
J C Worthen
NAR 7095 L2


From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Sat Mar 28 19:21:56 2009
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:21:56 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
In-Reply-To: <725ABB70F0034BA6BF6DFCA133457BFE@Mobile2>
References: <BAY103-DS2EB92BD3C177D2FDE4CC6DB8C0@phx.gbl>
	<725ABB70F0034BA6BF6DFCA133457BFE@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <49CEDB44.8030608@hawkfeather.com>

My thought also. If you have more, you could get the batch number and 
contact Aerotech.

Andrew.

Scott T Bowers wrote:
> In this case I would say the motor file may be off. I believe the
> formulations change from time to time, that may be the case.  
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of JAMES C WORTHEN
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:54 PM
> To: rockets
> Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
> 
> Could someone please explain to me why a particular rocket sims out to 774
> to 802 (depending on minor adjustment in the weight) and actually only flies
> to 600' to 620'?  We have been over the data many times and there does not
> seem to be anything missing from the data pertaining to the rocket in
> Rocksim.  We then run a simulation  on the same rocket with a new G80 (137
> Ns total impulse) and it shows an altitude of 1100' which is the altitude it
> flies to????  All other simulations come out quite close except the G64.
> Anybody with any ideas please let me know what you think.
> Thanks
> J C Worthen
> NAR 7095 L2
> 
> _______________________________________________
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>   
> 

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Sat Mar 28 19:26:07 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:26:07 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
In-Reply-To: <49CEDB44.8030608@hawkfeather.com>
References: <BAY103-DS2EB92BD3C177D2FDE4CC6DB8C0@phx.gbl><725ABB70F0034BA6BF6DFCA133457BFE@Mobile2>
	<49CEDB44.8030608@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <DD86BC08131C49999B790A507268A95C@Mobile2>

Check and see if a newer motor file is available. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:22 PM
To: 'rockets'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?

My thought also. If you have more, you could get the batch number and
contact Aerotech.

Andrew.

Scott T Bowers wrote:
> In this case I would say the motor file may be off. I believe the 
> formulations change from time to time, that may be the case.
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of JAMES C WORTHEN
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:54 PM
> To: rockets
> Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
> 
> Could someone please explain to me why a particular rocket sims out to 
> 774 to 802 (depending on minor adjustment in the weight) and actually 
> only flies to 600' to 620'?  We have been over the data many times and 
> there does not seem to be anything missing from the data pertaining to 
> the rocket in Rocksim.  We then run a simulation  on the same rocket 
> with a new G80 (137 Ns total impulse) and it shows an altitude of 
> 1100' which is the altitude it flies to????  All other simulations come
out quite close except the G64.
> Anybody with any ideas please let me know what you think.
> Thanks
> J C Worthen
> NAR 7095 L2
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
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> 
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From andrewm at hawkfeather.com  Sat Mar 28 20:55:24 2009
From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:55:24 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
In-Reply-To: <DD86BC08131C49999B790A507268A95C@Mobile2>
References: <BAY103-DS2EB92BD3C177D2FDE4CC6DB8C0@phx.gbl><725ABB70F0034BA6BF6DFCA133457BFE@Mobile2>
	<49CEDB44.8030608@hawkfeather.com>
	<DD86BC08131C49999B790A507268A95C@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <49CEF12C.6040003@hawkfeather.com>

Attached (I hope the list allows small gifs) is a pretty rough overlay 
of the G64 curve from the online Aerotech catalog in red (112NS/60g), 
and the G64 curve in black from ThrustCurve.org, which is the NAR file 
(119NS/63g). I lined up the time axes, and the NS vs lb axes. They look 
different enough to look... different.

I vaguely remember something about the G64 changing in the last few 
years. Ah - Rocketry Planet archives to the rescue, sorta. The G64 was 
NAR de-certed for contests in '02 due to availability from the fire, and 
re-certed in '03. Nothing said about it being different afterwards, but 
I vaguely remember something to that effect. Maybe it was the old config 
  with 63g that had to get down to 60g to get under 62.5g? And a flap 
about caving to BATF, and another flap about whether it was the same 
motor or should be re-certed?

I don't have RockSim (EngEdit) on my Mac here at home, but you can 
compares files.
NAR .eng file from ThrustCurve.org:
http://www.thrustcurve.org/simfilesearch.jsp?id=712
Aerotech current motor files:
http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/customersite/resource_library/ballistics.html

HTH,
Andrew.

Scott T Bowers wrote:
> Check and see if a newer motor file is available. 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:22 PM
> To: 'rockets'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
> 
> My thought also. If you have more, you could get the batch number and
> contact Aerotech.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> Scott T Bowers wrote:
>> In this case I would say the motor file may be off. I believe the 
>> formulations change from time to time, that may be the case.
>>
>> Scott T. Bowers
>> www.scottsrockets.com  
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of JAMES C WORTHEN
>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:54 PM
>> To: rockets
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
>>
>> Could someone please explain to me why a particular rocket sims out to 
>> 774 to 802 (depending on minor adjustment in the weight) and actually 
>> only flies to 600' to 620'?  We have been over the data many times and 
>> there does not seem to be anything missing from the data pertaining to 
>> the rocket in Rocksim.  We then run a simulation  on the same rocket 
>> with a new G80 (137 Ns total impulse) and it shows an altitude of 
>> 1100' which is the altitude it flies to????  All other simulations come
> out quite close except the G64.
>> Anybody with any ideas please let me know what you think.
>> Thanks
>> J C Worthen
>> NAR 7095 L2
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From sb at berfield.com  Sat Mar 28 21:01:22 2009
From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:01:22 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <48F8F3621EEC44E6A96A9351E62E9453@Mobile2>
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com>
	<D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER>
	<48F8F3621EEC44E6A96A9351E62E9453@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <3ABE185F-1916-44E6-A6A2-243CACA6EDE3@berfield.com>

I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that proton matter transducers  
are expressly barred under TRA rules.

Sent from my iPod

On Mar 27, 2009, at 7:20 PM, "Scott T Bowers"  
<scott at scottsrockets.com> wrote:

> I always completely disagree on this subject. Some people come into  
> the
> hobby with more technical prowess than others. Some are lucky to get a
> simple H level 1 back and another guy will fly an I with dual deploy,
> camera, and a proton matter trasmuter. Do what you feel comfortable  
> with,
> ask for advice, and show it to someone with experience. Yea yea,  
> simple
> makes for a better chance of success but rocketry is what you want  
> it to be.
>
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> ]
> On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:59 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
>
> The KISS principle plays a BIG part in this.  L1 certs should be as  
> simple
> as possible.  This is especially true for people that have never fired
> anything bigger than a D or E motor.  Bringing in dual deployment,
> electronics, and all the associated complexity for an L1 cert is  
> asking for
> trouble.  Is it doable?  Absolutely!  Just not recommended.  Save the
> electronics for your L2 cert, it's gonna be hard enough as is.
>
> Jeff Moore
> TRA #9861 L2
> BORG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
>
>
> Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the  
> time?  Do
> what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the  
> happiest.
> The
> electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good  
> reason
> that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your  
> cert.
>
>
> Lou
>
>
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From scott at scottsrockets.com  Sat Mar 28 21:10:40 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:10:40 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <3ABE185F-1916-44E6-A6A2-243CACA6EDE3@berfield.com>
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com>
	<D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER>
	<48F8F3621EEC44E6A96A9351E62E9453@Mobile2>
	<3ABE185F-1916-44E6-A6A2-243CACA6EDE3@berfield.com>
Message-ID: <8E02D3CF56064B40807230C9ACE839B3@Mobile2>

You show me documentation that it is safe and I will RSO the sucker.... 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Berfield [mailto:sb at berfield.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:01 PM
To: Scott T Bowers
Cc: Jeff Moore; <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that proton matter transducers are
expressly barred under TRA rules.

Sent from my iPod

On Mar 27, 2009, at 7:20 PM, "Scott T Bowers"  
<scott at scottsrockets.com> wrote:

> I always completely disagree on this subject. Some people come into 
> the hobby with more technical prowess than others. Some are lucky to 
> get a simple H level 1 back and another guy will fly an I with dual 
> deploy, camera, and a proton matter trasmuter. Do what you feel 
> comfortable with, ask for advice, and show it to someone with 
> experience. Yea yea, simple makes for a better chance of success but 
> rocketry is what you want it to be.
>
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> ]
> On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:59 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
>
> The KISS principle plays a BIG part in this.  L1 certs should be as 
> simple as possible.  This is especially true for people that have 
> never fired anything bigger than a D or E motor.  Bringing in dual 
> deployment, electronics, and all the associated complexity for an L1 
> cert is asking for trouble.  Is it doable?  Absolutely!  Just not 
> recommended.  Save the electronics for your L2 cert, it's gonna be 
> hard enough as is.
>
> Jeff Moore
> TRA #9861 L2
> BORG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
>
>
> Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the 
> time?  Do what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU 
> the happiest.
> The
> electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good 
> reason that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on 
> your cert.
>
>
> Lou
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
>
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>


From scott at scottsrockets.com  Sat Mar 28 21:11:44 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:11:44 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
In-Reply-To: <49CEF12C.6040003@hawkfeather.com>
References: <BAY103-DS2EB92BD3C177D2FDE4CC6DB8C0@phx.gbl><725ABB70F0034BA6BF6DFCA133457BFE@Mobile2><49CEDB44.8030608@hawkfeather.com><DD86BC08131C49999B790A507268A95C@Mobile2>
	<49CEF12C.6040003@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <8F6507ADE939447A8EC9CCA6064CC28F@Mobile2>

I thought there was something like that, that would explain the 200 ft. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:55 PM
To: 'rockets'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?

Attached (I hope the list allows small gifs) is a pretty rough overlay of
the G64 curve from the online Aerotech catalog in red (112NS/60g), and the
G64 curve in black from ThrustCurve.org, which is the NAR file (119NS/63g).
I lined up the time axes, and the NS vs lb axes. They look different enough
to look... different.

I vaguely remember something about the G64 changing in the last few years.
Ah - Rocketry Planet archives to the rescue, sorta. The G64 was NAR
de-certed for contests in '02 due to availability from the fire, and
re-certed in '03. Nothing said about it being different afterwards, but I
vaguely remember something to that effect. Maybe it was the old config
  with 63g that had to get down to 60g to get under 62.5g? And a flap about
caving to BATF, and another flap about whether it was the same motor or
should be re-certed?

I don't have RockSim (EngEdit) on my Mac here at home, but you can compares
files.
NAR .eng file from ThrustCurve.org:
http://www.thrustcurve.org/simfilesearch.jsp?id=712
Aerotech current motor files:
http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/customersite/resource_library/ballistics.ht
ml

HTH,
Andrew.

Scott T Bowers wrote:
> Check and see if a newer motor file is available. 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:22 PM
> To: 'rockets'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
> 
> My thought also. If you have more, you could get the batch number and 
> contact Aerotech.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> Scott T Bowers wrote:
>> In this case I would say the motor file may be off. I believe the 
>> formulations change from time to time, that may be the case.
>>
>> Scott T. Bowers
>> www.scottsrockets.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of JAMES C WORTHEN
>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:54 PM
>> To: rockets
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
>>
>> Could someone please explain to me why a particular rocket sims out 
>> to
>> 774 to 802 (depending on minor adjustment in the weight) and actually 
>> only flies to 600' to 620'?  We have been over the data many times 
>> and there does not seem to be anything missing from the data 
>> pertaining to the rocket in Rocksim.  We then run a simulation  on 
>> the same rocket with a new G80 (137 Ns total impulse) and it shows an 
>> altitude of 1100' which is the altitude it flies to????  All other 
>> simulations come
> out quite close except the G64.
>> Anybody with any ideas please let me know what you think.
>> Thanks
>> J C Worthen
>> NAR 7095 L2


From bwhitemarsh at comcast.net  Sat Mar 28 21:25:11 2009
From: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net (Bryan Whitemarsh)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:25:11 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches
In-Reply-To: <4AD6D05341EC429DB9D59E037FB09A9A@Mobile2>
References: <bf6.268857a4.36fe07e6@aol.com><D864D77624CC4FBE951C5414AF35E920@TNTCENTER><923D194602234854A6655F49E2A450B2@downstair><B3FB746508DA4D48B6525CED88C4B9F3@Mobile2><5360DD66D46143DA9B16C62A23EA25CE@downstair><5297C6E57E8F4916B55EF5782B5BBA61@Mobile2><3648E09F51E04AD1B942EA4794D7880B@downstair>
	<4AD6D05341EC429DB9D59E037FB09A9A@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <11F646C9A63E4676A0E93A042395430E@BryanPC>

Wow, sorry to start such a debate about KISS vs going all out.  Would have
posted again sooner but I was busy surface-mounting my fins to the airframe.
Man that Elmer's White Glue takes a long time to harden on fiberglass ;-)
Actually, I'm pretty confident the fins will stay on.  They've got internal
and external milled fiber-reinforced fillets and the fin can has been
foamed.  I understand the concern, though.
I appreciate all the good advice after my original post.  I have read it all
and will consider it closely.  Now, if I could just decide on whether or not
to use a piston ejection system.  LOL!

Bryan Whitemarsh

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:52 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

Yea, no duh, but common sense is not always so common. Seen a couple things
slide through over the years that should not have. Just didn't want to give
new flyers the impression that certification flights were an anything goes
kinda thing.


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Winningstad [mailto:winningstad at comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:48 AM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

Yes, but like, no duhh!!!

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:40 AM
To: 'Dennis Winningstad'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

Come on, you know you have seen one of those and sent them back to their
camp..... 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Winningstad [mailto:winningstad at comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:38 AM
To: 'Scott T Bowers'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

Geeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, Scott...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:08 AM
To: 'Dennis Winningstad'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

I would add one caveat, the rocket, motor ejection or wired with triple
redundant electronics, must not pose a excessive danger. Seen a few come to
the RSO with fins not glued in very good......... 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:42 AM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

I respectfully disagree, Jeff.  It 'should be' what ever the invididual
(sic) wants!  If they don't make it, so what?  They get to fly again...

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:59 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches

The KISS principle plays a BIG part in this.  L1 certs should be as simple
as possible.  This is especially true for people that have never fired
anything bigger than a D or E motor.  Bringing in dual deployment,
electronics, and all the associated complexity for an L1 cert is asking for
trouble.  Is it doable?  Absolutely!  Just not recommended.  Save the
electronics for your L2 cert, it's gonna be hard enough as is.

Jeff Moore
TRA #9861 L2
BORG

----- Original Message -----
From: <IBELCHLOUD at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] J-tek and M-tek electric matches


Why does everybody advocate a simple motor eject for certs all the time?  Do
what YOU want to do for your cert flight, it will make YOU the happiest. 
The
electronics we employ are relatively simple to use, there is no good reason
that if you are confident in your groundtest to not use it on your cert.


Lou


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From MartyWeiser at comcast.net  Sat Mar 28 21:44:00 2009
From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty2)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:44:00 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] OT: Scott's Fertilizer Commercial
In-Reply-To: <007201c9adbb$4eb7ae80$ec270b80$@com>
References: <007201c9adbb$4eb7ae80$ec270b80$@com>
Message-ID: <00a901c9b028$fb55e2a0$f201a7e0$@net>

Has anyone else noticed the striking resemblance between the son-in-law in
the Scott's fertilizer commercials that have been airing during the
basketball games and Jim Wilkerson?  Jim do you now have a side job?  Or is
it your brother?  Of course I should probably be spending more time working
on rockets than watching BB, but with six teams from my two alma maters and
the local school in the tournament I kept being drawn to the TV.


From scott at scottsrockets.com  Sat Mar 28 22:07:21 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:07:21 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] OT: Scott's Fertilizer Commercial
In-Reply-To: <00a901c9b028$fb55e2a0$f201a7e0$@net>
References: <007201c9adbb$4eb7ae80$ec270b80$@com>
	<00a901c9b028$fb55e2a0$f201a7e0$@net>
Message-ID: <DAE30DE746FF4D5DA4CAD0E145375662@Mobile2>

Jim twin? If they meet the universe will implode. 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Marty2
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:44 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] OT: Scott's Fertilizer Commercial

Has anyone else noticed the striking resemblance between the son-in-law in
the Scott's fertilizer commercials that have been airing during the
basketball games and Jim Wilkerson?  Jim do you now have a side job?  Or is
it your brother?  Of course I should probably be spending more time working
on rockets than watching BB, but with six teams from my two alma maters and
the local school in the tournament I kept being drawn to the TV.

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From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Sun Mar 29 02:00:02 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 02:00:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
In-Reply-To: <8F6507ADE939447A8EC9CCA6064CC28F@Mobile2>
References: <BAY103-DS2EB92BD3C177D2FDE4CC6DB8C0@phx.gbl><725ABB70F0034BA6BF6DFCA133457BFE@Mobile2><49CEDB44.8030608@hawkfeather.com><DD86BC08131C49999B790A507268A95C@Mobile2>
	<49CEF12C.6040003@hawkfeather.com>
	<8F6507ADE939447A8EC9CCA6064CC28F@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <89e8493e472f5c2f9dc963084e526eb0.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

Vaguely rings a bell here too.  Something about a reformulation/redesign
that weakened it a bit.  I think Andrew is right on the money here.

+McG+


> I thought there was something like that, that would explain the 200 ft.
>
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:55 PM
> To: 'rockets'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
>
> Attached (I hope the list allows small gifs) is a pretty rough overlay of
> the G64 curve from the online Aerotech catalog in red (112NS/60g), and the
> G64 curve in black from ThrustCurve.org, which is the NAR file
> (119NS/63g).
> I lined up the time axes, and the NS vs lb axes. They look different
> enough
> to look... different.
>
> I vaguely remember something about the G64 changing in the last few years.
> Ah - Rocketry Planet archives to the rescue, sorta. The G64 was NAR
> de-certed for contests in '02 due to availability from the fire, and
> re-certed in '03. Nothing said about it being different afterwards, but I
> vaguely remember something to that effect. Maybe it was the old config
>   with 63g that had to get down to 60g to get under 62.5g? And a flap
> about
> caving to BATF, and another flap about whether it was the same motor or
> should be re-certed?
>
> I don't have RockSim (EngEdit) on my Mac here at home, but you can
> compares
> files.
> NAR .eng file from ThrustCurve.org:
> http://www.thrustcurve.org/simfilesearch.jsp?id=712
> Aerotech current motor files:
> http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/customersite/resource_library/ballistics.ht
> ml
>
> HTH,
> Andrew.
>
> Scott T Bowers wrote:
>> Check and see if a newer motor file is available.
>>
>> Scott T. Bowers
>> www.scottsrockets.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:22 PM
>> To: 'rockets'
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
>>
>> My thought also. If you have more, you could get the batch number and
>> contact Aerotech.
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>> Scott T Bowers wrote:
>>> In this case I would say the motor file may be off. I believe the
>>> formulations change from time to time, that may be the case.
>>>
>>> Scott T. Bowers
>>> www.scottsrockets.com
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>>> On Behalf Of JAMES C WORTHEN
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:54 PM
>>> To: rockets
>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
>>>
>>> Could someone please explain to me why a particular rocket sims out
>>> to
>>> 774 to 802 (depending on minor adjustment in the weight) and actually
>>> only flies to 600' to 620'?  We have been over the data many times
>>> and there does not seem to be anything missing from the data
>>> pertaining to the rocket in Rocksim.  We then run a simulation  on
>>> the same rocket with a new G80 (137 Ns total impulse) and it shows an
>>> altitude of 1100' which is the altitude it flies to????  All other
>>> simulations come
>> out quite close except the G64.
>>> Anybody with any ideas please let me know what you think.
>>> Thanks
>>> J C Worthen
>>> NAR 7095 L2
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>



From IBELCHLOUD at aol.com  Sun Mar 29 02:32:28 2009
From: IBELCHLOUD at aol.com (IBELCHLOUD at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:32:28 EDT
Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
Message-ID: <cc2.415564c0.37009a2c@aol.com>

One other thing to remember is that AT changed the design of the G64 a year 
or two ago.  They went from a single long grain to two shorter grains in order 
to ship non hazmat.  So I would venture to guess that it burns a bit shorter 
with a bit harder kick off the pad.  Check Thrustcurve.com's data against AT's 
posted data and if needed do another .eng file for Rocksim.

Lou


**************
Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 
or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
-------------- next part --------------
One other thing to remember is that AT changed the design of the G64 a year or two ago.? They went from a single long grain to two shorter grains in order to ship non hazmat.? So I would venture to guess that it burns a bit shorter with a bit harder kick off the pad.? Check Thrustcurve.com's data against AT's posted data and if needed do another .eng file for Rocksim.
Lou
**************
Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com  Sun Mar 29 02:51:17 2009
From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 02:51:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Recession and rocket fields
Message-ID: <399445ad02592418db1c8576a02acc83.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>

Mostly OT but could affect some rocketeers in various ways:

Attn Washingtonians:
Our state is facing huge budget shortfalls so state gov't is desperately
looking for money.  One place they're looking, at least in Clark county,
is the Open Space tax status on agricultural and forest lands.  (That
means ME, folks, so this is personal.)  County gov't here in Clark county
is reviewing all property currently granted reduced property tax under
Open Space classification.  Grapevine has it that they're looking for
developers who are getting reduced taxes on land they're really holding
for eventual development and not actually engaged in agriculture.  I
suspect it's deeper than that.

However, the end result may be that many small farms will be hit with
drastically increased taxes which may force them to sell part or all of
their land as continuation of their present use becomes uneconomic.  And
who will buy the land?  Likely, developers and speculators who will snap
up the property at reduced real estate prices now and profit later from
developing and reselling it.  Or, the farmers may be forced to more
intensively cultivate their land.  This might reduce somewhat the number
of potential launch sites on private property.

It is unclear how I will be affected by this.  My relatives and I have
scheduled an appointment with an attorney and I have been unanimously
elected by family to do our end of the legal analysis.  My past experience
in lobbying the State Fire Marshal's office for change in the hobby rocket
laws will be useful here.  We think we have a good case for continuation
of our status but it gets, well, complicated.

At any rate, I expect this to become a heated issue later this year.  It's
not impossible you could see me on the news someday foaming at the mouth
about gummint and almost certain you'll see somebody doing that.  Heads
up.  The gov't tax-and-spend junkies are jonesin' bad.
+McG+


From john_lyngdal at verizon.net  Sun Mar 29 10:07:00 2009
From: john_lyngdal at verizon.net (John Lyngdal)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:07:00 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
In-Reply-To: <49CEF12C.6040003@hawkfeather.com>
References: <BAY103-DS2EB92BD3C177D2FDE4CC6DB8C0@phx.gbl><725ABB70F0034BA6BF6DFCA133457BFE@Mobile2>
	<49CEDB44.8030608@hawkfeather.com>	<DD86BC08131C49999B790A507268A95C@Mobile2>
	<49CEF12C.6040003@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <002101c9b090$c680d180$53827480$@net>

Andrew,

The main difference is that the "new" G64 employs a pair of 30 gram
propellant grains, where the old G64 had a single 62.5 gram grain. The new
design allows the reload kits to be shipped via USPS ground, and therefore
avoids the $25 UPS HazMat fee. The grain design change results is a more
regressive burn profile and a longer burn time as a result.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:55 PM
To: 'rockets'
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?

Attached (I hope the list allows small gifs) is a pretty rough overlay of
the G64 curve from the online Aerotech catalog in red (112NS/60g), and the
G64 curve in black from ThrustCurve.org, which is the NAR file (119NS/63g).
I lined up the time axes, and the NS vs lb axes. They look different enough
to look... different.

I vaguely remember something about the G64 changing in the last few years.
Ah - Rocketry Planet archives to the rescue, sorta. The G64 was NAR
de-certed for contests in '02 due to availability from the fire, and
re-certed in '03. Nothing said about it being different afterwards, but I
vaguely remember something to that effect. Maybe it was the old config
  with 63g that had to get down to 60g to get under 62.5g? And a flap about
caving to BATF, and another flap about whether it was the same motor or
should be re-certed?

I don't have RockSim (EngEdit) on my Mac here at home, but you can compares
files.
NAR .eng file from ThrustCurve.org:
http://www.thrustcurve.org/simfilesearch.jsp?id=712
Aerotech current motor files:
http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/customersite/resource_library/ballistics.ht
ml

HTH,
Andrew.

Scott T Bowers wrote:
> Check and see if a newer motor file is available. 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:22 PM
> To: 'rockets'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
> 
> My thought also. If you have more, you could get the batch number and 
> contact Aerotech.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> Scott T Bowers wrote:
>> In this case I would say the motor file may be off. I believe the 
>> formulations change from time to time, that may be the case.
>>
>> Scott T. Bowers
>> www.scottsrockets.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of JAMES C WORTHEN
>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:54 PM
>> To: rockets
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
>>
>> Could someone please explain to me why a particular rocket sims out 
>> to
>> 774 to 802 (depending on minor adjustment in the weight) and actually 
>> only flies to 600' to 620'?  We have been over the data many times 
>> and there does not seem to be anything missing from the data 
>> pertaining to the rocket in Rocksim.  We then run a simulation  on 
>> the same rocket with a new G80 (137 Ns total impulse) and it shows an 
>> altitude of 1100' which is the altitude it flies to????  All other 
>> simulations come
> out quite close except the G64.
>> Anybody with any ideas please let me know what you think.
>> Thanks
>> J C Worthen
>> NAR 7095 L2


From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 29 11:12:29 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:12:29 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
In-Reply-To: <94A3D557D66349E5ACF197F63011A525@downstair>
References: <49CAAEF2.3050501@earthlink.net>	<1da226f67116be45cca281f91111cf0e.squirrel@www.wa-net.com>
	<94A3D557D66349E5ACF197F63011A525@downstair>
Message-ID: <49CFBA0D.1010600@earthlink.net>

It reminds of this flash animation of how the world will end although 
North Korea isn't involved in this version.  It has some salty language 
just to warn you.
http://www.endofworld.net/

Robert

Dennis Winningstad wrote:
> Sorry Ken,
>
> N Korea launching ANY missile is an act of war...shoot it down.
>
> Dennis S Winningstad
> 503-781-3529
>  
> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:24 AM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] North Korean launch of Taepodong between 4-8APR09
>
> Huge mistake to intercept unless there's good reason to believe it's
> actually carrying a warhead.  Interception of ballistic missile tests and
> space launches is generally considered an act of war.  Extremely
> provocative.
>
> Now, if you can have your secret agents sabotage the thing so it's not
> obvious it was sabotaged, that might be an option.  But we don't have such
> agents in N. Korea.  They have this peculiar belief that it's better to
> torture and kill a hundred good workers than let one spy through...
>
> Take it from a farm boy, never stir up a hornet's nest unless it's a
> pre-emptive strike and you have enough Raid to kill 'em all.
>
> That said, their ballistic missile technology suffers from the same kind
> of weakness that Scud's do: takes way too long to set them up and prep for
> flight.  And the high L/D ratio tells you that they're stretching the
> limits of their rocket technology.  It's more like a Vanguard than a
> Peacekeeper.
>
> N. Korea does these kinds of things as a way of arm-twisting the US and
> other countries for more cash and freebies.  Growl, get fed...
>
> +McG+
>
>
>   
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_re_as/us_nkorea_missile
>>
>> Will we intercept if they do launch?
>>
>> And will N. Korea respond to our (or the Japanese) doing so?
>>
>> This will definitely be a heads-up flight!
>>
>> Robert
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rockets mailing list
>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>   
>
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>   
>
>   


From worthenc at msn.com  Sun Mar 29 13:38:26 2009
From: worthenc at msn.com (JAMES C WORTHEN)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:38:26 -0600
Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DS2EB92BD3C177D2FDE4CC6DB8C0@phx.gbl><725ABB70F0034BA6BF6DFCA133457BFE@Mobile2><49CEDB44.8030608@hawkfeather.com><DD86BC08131C49999B790A507268A95C@Mobile2>
	<49CEF12C.6040003@hawkfeather.com>
References: <BAY103-DS2EB92BD3C177D2FDE4CC6DB8C0@phx.gbl><725ABB70F0034BA6BF6DFCA133457BFE@Mobile2><49CEDB44.8030608@hawkfeather.com><DD86BC08131C49999B790A507268A95C@Mobile2>
	<49CEF12C.6040003@hawkfeather.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DS7ECE0247A6EB4B0A44570DB8C0@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the info.  From everybody.  I hope we can overcome the problems we have encountered in time, but at least we know or have a good idea what is going on.
Thanks again
J C Worthen
NAR 7095 L2
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andrew MacMillen<mailto:andrewm at hawkfeather.com> 
  To: 'rockets'<mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com> 
  Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?


  Attached (I hope the list allows small gifs) is a pretty rough overlay 
  of the G64 curve from the online Aerotech catalog in red (112NS/60g), 
  and the G64 curve in black from ThrustCurve.org, which is the NAR file 
  (119NS/63g). I lined up the time axes, and the NS vs lb axes. They look 
  different enough to look... different.

  I vaguely remember something about the G64 changing in the last few 
  years. Ah - Rocketry Planet archives to the rescue, sorta. The G64 was 
  NAR de-certed for contests in '02 due to availability from the fire, and 
  re-certed in '03. Nothing said about it being different afterwards, but 
  I vaguely remember something to that effect. Maybe it was the old config 
    with 63g that had to get down to 60g to get under 62.5g? And a flap 
  about caving to BATF, and another flap about whether it was the same 
  motor or should be re-certed?

  I don't have RockSim (EngEdit) on my Mac here at home, but you can 
  compares files.
  NAR .eng file from ThrustCurve.org:
  http://www.thrustcurve.org/simfilesearch.jsp?id=712<http://www.thrustcurve.org/simfilesearch.jsp?id=712>
  Aerotech current motor files:
  http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/customersite/resource_library/ballistics.html<http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/customersite/resource_library/ballistics.html>

  HTH,
  Andrew.

  Scott T Bowers wrote:
  > Check and see if a newer motor file is available. 
  > 
  > Scott T. Bowers
  > www.scottsrockets.com<http://www.scottsrockets.com/>
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
  > On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
  > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:22 PM
  > To: 'rockets'
  > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
  > 
  > My thought also. If you have more, you could get the batch number and
  > contact Aerotech.
  > 
  > Andrew.
  > 
  > Scott T Bowers wrote:
  >> In this case I would say the motor file may be off. I believe the 
  >> formulations change from time to time, that may be the case.
  >>
  >> Scott T. Bowers
  >> www.scottsrockets.com<http://www.scottsrockets.com/>  
  >>
  >> -----Original Message-----
  >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com<mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> 
  >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
  >> On Behalf Of JAMES C WORTHEN
  >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:54 PM
  >> To: rockets
  >> Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
  >>
  >> Could someone please explain to me why a particular rocket sims out to 
  >> 774 to 802 (depending on minor adjustment in the weight) and actually 
  >> only flies to 600' to 620'?  We have been over the data many times and 
  >> there does not seem to be anything missing from the data pertaining to 
  >> the rocket in Rocksim.  We then run a simulation  on the same rocket 
  >> with a new G80 (137 Ns total impulse) and it shows an altitude of 
  >> 1100' which is the altitude it flies to????  All other simulations come
  > out quite close except the G64.
  >> Anybody with any ideas please let me know what you think.
  >> Thanks
  >> J C Worthen
  >> NAR 7095 L2


-------------- next part --------------
Thanks for the info.? From everybody.? I hope we can overcome the problems we have encountered in time, but at least we know or have a good idea what is going on.
Thanks again
J C Worthen
NAR 7095 L2
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:andrewm at hawkfeather.com Andrew MacMillen
To:
mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com 'rockets'
Sent:
Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:55 PM
Subject:
Re: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
Attached (I hope the list allows small gifs) is a pretty rough overlay
of the G64 curve from the online Aerotech catalog in red (112NS/60g),
and the G64 curve in black from ThrustCurve.org, which is the NAR file
(119NS/63g). I lined up the time axes, and the NS vs lb axes. They look
different enough to look... different.
I vaguely remember something about the G64 changing in the last few
years. Ah - Rocketry Planet archives to the rescue, sorta. The G64 was
NAR de-certed for contests in '02 due to availability from the fire, and
re-certed in '03. Nothing said about it being different afterwards, but
I vaguely remember something to that effect. Maybe it was the old config
? with 63g that had to get down to 60g to get under 62.5g? And a flap
about caving to BATF, and another flap about whether it was the same
motor or should be re-certed?
I don't have RockSim (EngEdit) on my Mac here at home, but you can
compares files.
NAR .eng file from ThrustCurve.org:
http://www.thrustcurve.org/simfilesearch.jsp?id=712 http://www.thrustcurve.org/simfilesearch.jsp?id=712
Aerotech current motor files:
http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/customersite/resource_library/ballistics.html http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/customersite/resource_library/ballistics.html
HTH,
Andrew.
Scott T Bowers wrote:
> Check and see if a newer motor file is available.
>
> Scott T. Bowers
> http://www.scottsrockets.com www.scottsrockets.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:22 PM
> To: 'rockets'
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
>
> My thought also. If you have more, you could get the batch number and
> contact Aerotech.
>
> Andrew.
>
> Scott T Bowers wrote:
>> In this case I would say the motor file may be off. I believe the
>> formulations change from time to time, that may be the case.
>>
>> Scott T. Bowers
>> http://www.scottsrockets.com www.scottsrockets.com
?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
>> On Behalf Of JAMES C WORTHEN
>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:54 PM
>> To: rockets
>> Subject: [RocketsNW] G64 performance?
>>
>> Could someone please explain to me why a particular rocket sims out to
>> 774 to 802 (depending on minor adjustment in the weight) and actually
>> only flies to 600' to 620'?? We have been over the data many times and
>> there does not seem to be anything missing from the data pertaining to
>> the rocket in Rocksim.? We then run a simulation? on the same rocket
>> with a new G80 (137 Ns total impulse) and it shows an altitude of
>> 1100' which is the altitude it flies to????? All other simulations come
> out quite close except the G64.
>> Anybody with any ideas please let me know what you think.
>> Thanks
>> J C Worthen
>> NAR 7095 L2
CID:{7237B774-510C-44AC-975F-9F620D450C2B}/g64.gif

From lawndart.robert at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 16:53:35 2009
From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:53:35 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry Meeting Agenda April 2nd 2009
Message-ID: <00ed01c9b0c9$93f398e0$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>

The next Oregon Rocketry club meeting will be held at 7:30 pm on April 2nd 2009. Meeting place is the back room of Giovanni's in Beaverton, Oregon. 
Where: Giovanni's [ Map ]
12390 SW Broadway: corner of Broadway and Hall Blvd in downtown Beaverton 

Agenda:
7:30 : Motions by members collected
7:35 : Memorial Park Launch @ Wilsonville May & June Announcement [Packard]
7:40 : Daybreak School in Battleground, Show & Fly Event [Ryerse]
7:45 : Highlight of Members / Length of Membership [Krausert]
7:55 : Club Business Update 
          - Review of previous month minutes [Goncher]
          - Financial Update [Moscoe]
          - Have land owners cashed this years check? [Moscoe]
          - Annual 2007 CT-12 Filing [Moscoe]
          - Annual 2008 CT-12 2008 Address Change & Filing  [Moscoe]
          - NAR Section 555 Renewal Status [Moscoe]
          - Brothers FAA Waiver Update [Krausert]
8:05 : Getting Started with EX / Research for TAR members [Ekstrom]
          - Enjoy a Q&A session with Pete Ekstrom of TeamNumb about getting started in EX/Research
          (Consider it the tip of the iceburg, but worth hearing how Pete got started and tips)

I certainly hope you can make the meeting. Should be a good mix of information. Take a break from your busy schedule and join us Thursday April 2nd at 7:30pm for some fun and rocket talk. Come early for dinner. First public OROC launch at Brothers from the time of the meeting is T-minus 1 months and a few days. 

Cheers,
Robert

-------------- next part --------------
The next Oregon Rocketry club meeting will be held at 7:30 pm on April 2nd 2009. Meeting place is the back room of Giovanni's in Beaverton, Oregon.
Where: Giovanni's [
Map
]
12390 SW Broadway: corner of Broadway and Hall Blvd in downtown Beaverton
Agenda:
7:30 : Motions by members collected
7:35 : Memorial Park Launch @?Wilsonville May & June Announcement [Packard]
7:40 : Daybreak School in Battleground, Show & Fly Event [Ryerse]
7:45 : Highlight of Members / Length of Membership [Krausert]
7:55 : Club Business Update?
????????? - Review of previous month minutes [Goncher]
????????? - Financial Update [Moscoe]
????????? - Have land owners cashed this years check? [Moscoe]
????????? - Annual 2007 CT-12 Filing [Moscoe]
????????? - Annual 2008 CT-12 2008 Address Change & Filing? [Moscoe]
????????? - NAR Section 555 Renewal Status [Moscoe]
????????? - Brothers FAA Waiver Update [Krausert]
8:05 : Getting Started with EX / Research for TAR members [Ekstrom]
????????? - Enjoy a Q&A session with Pete Ekstrom of TeamNumb about getting started in?EX/Research
????????? (Consider it the tip of the iceburg, but worth hearing how Pete got started and tips)
I certainly hope you can make the meeting. Should be a good mix of information. Take a break from your busy schedule and join us Thursday April 2nd at 7:30pm for some fun and rocket talk. Come early for dinner. First public OROC launch at Brothers from the time of the meeting is T-minus?1 months and a few days.
Cheers,
Robert

From winningstad at comcast.net  Sun Mar 29 17:05:40 2009
From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:05:40 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry Meeting Agenda April 2nd 2009
In-Reply-To: <00ed01c9b0c9$93f398e0$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
References: <00ed01c9b0c9$93f398e0$0601a8c0@LaptopKrausert>
Message-ID: <26FE9E25841D44B683D693ABD6C05EBC@downstair>

The zip code is 97005 (newbies with GPS navigators like zip codes!)

Dennis S Winningstad
503-781-3529
 
It is bad luck to be superstitious.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Krausert
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:54 PM
To: members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry Meeting Agenda April 2nd 2009

The next Oregon Rocketry club meeting will be held at 7:30 pm on April 2nd
2009. Meeting place is the back room of Giovanni's in Beaverton, Oregon. 
Where: Giovanni's [ Map ]
12390 SW Broadway: corner of Broadway and Hall Blvd in downtown Beaverton 

Agenda:
7:30 : Motions by members collected
7:35 : Memorial Park Launch @ Wilsonville May & June Announcement [Packard]
7:40 : Daybreak School in Battleground, Show & Fly Event [Ryerse]
7:45 : Highlight of Members / Length of Membership [Krausert]
7:55 : Club Business Update 
          - Review of previous month minutes [Goncher]
          - Financial Update [Moscoe]
          - Have land owners cashed this years check? [Moscoe]
          - Annual 2007 CT-12 Filing [Moscoe]
          - Annual 2008 CT-12 2008 Address Change & Filing  [Moscoe]
          - NAR Section 555 Renewal Status [Moscoe]
          - Brothers FAA Waiver Update [Krausert]
8:05 : Getting Started with EX / Research for TAR members [Ekstrom]
          - Enjoy a Q&A session with Pete Ekstrom of TeamNumb about getting
started in EX/Research
          (Consider it the tip of the iceburg, but worth hearing how Pete
got started and tips)

I certainly hope you can make the meeting. Should be a good mix of
information. Take a break from your busy schedule and join us Thursday April
2nd at 7:30pm for some fun and rocket talk. Come early for dinner. First
public OROC launch at Brothers from the time of the meeting is T-minus 1
months and a few days. 

Cheers,
Robert



From dougstuiv at onlinenw.com  Sun Mar 29 19:53:46 2009
From: dougstuiv at onlinenw.com (Doug)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:53:46 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] NAR member needed by TARC team
Message-ID: <49D0343A.8040201@onlinenw.com>

We are looking for a NAR member to come be a witness for our TARC 
attempt in Keizer, Oregon sometime before April 5. (but not quite yet!) 
If you are a current NAR member and could fit an afternoon firing into 
your schedule, say around 4:30 or 5:00 please contact me off list.
We'll be firing from the RC site/turf field owned by JB Sod on 99W just 
N of Chemawa Rd.
Thanks,
Doug Stuivenga
McNary High School
dougstuiv at onlinenw.com


From stefan_jones at comcast.net  Tue Mar 31 12:44:44 2009
From: stefan_jones at comcast.net (stefan_jones at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:44:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RocketsNW] Make:PDX
Message-ID: <176438424.1893891238528684599.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>


MAKE magazine is a high-tech DIY magazine, produced by the folks who make the O'Reilly computer books. 

They've put on festivals in Austin and San Francisco. Local rocket clubs have put on demos at both of these. 

Now there's a chapter forming Portland: 



MakePDX Begins 4.5.09! 
MAKE STUFF IN PORTLAND! 


The goal of MakePDX is to connect, inspire and grow a local community of people who make things. 

Builders. Crafters. Artists. Cooks. Geeks. Hackers. Anyone who makes or wants to make anything! 

Who are you? What do you make? 

We are new. Teach. Learn. Join us. 
http://makepdx.org/2009/03/19/makepdx-begins-4509/ 
-------------- next part --------------
MAKE magazine is a high-tech DIY magazine, produced by the folks who make the O'Reilly computer books.
They've put on festivals in Austin and San Francisco. Local rocket clubs have put on demos at both of these.
Now there's a chapter forming Portland:
http://makepdx.org/2009/03/19/makepdx-begins-4509/ MakePDX Begins 4.5.09!
http://makepdx.org/2009/03/19/makepdx-begins-4509/#comments
MAKE STUFF IN PORTLAND!
The goal of MakePDX is to connect, inspire and grow a local community of people who make things.
Builders. Crafters. Artists. Cooks. Geeks. Hackers. Anyone who makes or wants to make anything!
Who are you? What do you make?
We are new.??? Teach.???? Learn.???? Join us.
http://makepdx.org/2009/03/19/makepdx-begins-4509/

From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 31 16:37:40 2009
From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:37:40 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name
Message-ID: <49D2A944.20406@earthlink.net>

So far the suggested names for the 60 Acres April launch are as follows.

Yuri's Day (12APR61 is the day Yuri Gagarin and mankind went into space 
for the first time.)
Spring Fling
Spring Fever

Anyone other suggestions?

Robert

From scott at scottsrockets.com  Tue Mar 31 16:49:09 2009
From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:49:09 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name
In-Reply-To: <49D2A944.20406@earthlink.net>
References: <49D2A944.20406@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <D64CF20FE6544F09BDB7328FCC043738@Mobile2>

Hope like hell it isn't snowing still launch? 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Hammer
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:38 PM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name

So far the suggested names for the 60 Acres April launch are as follows.

Yuri's Day (12APR61 is the day Yuri Gagarin and mankind went into space for
the first time.) Spring Fling Spring Fever

Anyone other suggestions?

Robert
_______________________________________________
Rockets mailing list
Rockets at rocketsnw.com
http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
  


From mrrominwa at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 31 16:54:32 2009
From: mrrominwa at yahoo.com (dave woodard)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:54:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name
In-Reply-To: <D64CF20FE6544F09BDB7328FCC043738@Mobile2>
Message-ID: <3613.33593.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

hope that the Al Gore global warming GLACIER has receeded
????????????????? dave

--- On Tue, 3/31/09, Scott T Bowers <scott at scottsrockets.com> wrote:

From: Scott T Bowers <scott at scottsrockets.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name
To: "'Hammer'" <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>, "'NW Rocketry mailing list'" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 4:49 PM

Hope like hell it isn't snowing still launch? 


Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Hammer
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:38 PM
To: NW Rocketry mailing list
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name

So far the suggested names for the 60 Acres April launch are as follows.

Yuri's Day (12APR61 is the day Yuri Gagarin and mankind went into space for
the first time.) Spring Fling Spring Fever

Anyone other suggestions?

Robert
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hope that the Al Gore global warming GLACIER has receeded
????????????????? dave
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From: Scott T Bowers <scott at scottsrockets.com>
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name
To: "'Hammer'" <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>, "'NW Rocketry mailing list'" <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 4:49 PM
Hope like hell it isn't snowing still launch? Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:38 PM To: NW Rocketry mailing list Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name So far the suggested names for the 60 Acres April launch are as follows. Yuri's Day (12APR61 is the day Yuri Gagarin and mankind went into space for the first time.) Spring Fling Spring Fever Anyone other suggestions? Robert _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets

From rocfish74 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 31 17:58:08 2009
From: rocfish74 at hotmail.com (Mark Lyons)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:58:08 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name
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How 'bout " Wishfull Thinking"  ;)
 
> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:37:40 -0700
> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name
> 
> So far the suggested names for the 60 Acres April launch are as follows.
> 
> Yuri's Day (12APR61 is the day Yuri Gagarin and mankind went into space 
> for the first time.)
> Spring Fling
> Spring Fever
> 
> Anyone other suggestions?
> 
> Robert
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How 'bout " Wishfull Thinking"? ;)
?
> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:37:40 -0700
> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name
>
> So far the suggested names for the 60 Acres April launch are as follows.
>
> Yuri's Day (12APR61 is the day Yuri Gagarin and mankind went into space
> for the first time.)
> Spring Fling
> Spring Fever
>
> Anyone other suggestions?
>
> Robert
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From bwhitemarsh at comcast.net  Tue Mar 31 18:02:15 2009
From: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net (Bryan Whitemarsh)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:02:15 -0700
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name
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How about the "I told my wife I wanted to go launch rockets on Easter Sunday
and now I have to find myself a new place to live" launch?

Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Lyons
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:58 PM
To: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name


How 'bout " Wishfull Thinking"  ;)
 
> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:37:40 -0700
> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name
> 
> So far the suggested names for the 60 Acres April launch are as follows.
> 
> Yuri's Day (12APR61 is the day Yuri Gagarin and mankind went into 
> space for the first time.) Spring Fling Spring Fever
> 
> Anyone other suggestions?
> 
> Robert
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> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 

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From melamy at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 31 19:33:16 2009
From: melamy at earthlink.net (melamy at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:33:16 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name
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given that April is National Financial Literacy Month and given that what our government is doing and also related to rocketry - I would call it "Up in Smoke" launch...

regards, Steve Thatcher

-----Original Message-----
>From: Hammer <hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net>
>Sent: Mar 31, 2009 4:37 PM
>To: NW Rocketry mailing list <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
>Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres April Launch 12APR09 name
>
>So far the suggested names for the 60 Acres April launch are as follows.
>
>Yuri's Day (12APR61 is the day Yuri Gagarin and mankind went into space 
>for the first time.)
>Spring Fling
>Spring Fever
>
>Anyone other suggestions?
>
>Robert
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>Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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>