From carl at mousetrap.com Wed Jul 1 10:33:42 2009 From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:33:42 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] No WAC meeting this Saturday, July 4th Message-ID: Washington Aerospace will *not* be holding its regularly scheduled meeting this Saturday, July 4th. The meeting will *probably* be held the next Saturday, July 11th, but we are still working out the details. Please stay tuned for a more definitive schedule. Thanks. - Carl -------------- next part -------------- Thanks. ?- Carl From mfreptiles at aol.com Wed Jul 1 12:10:41 2009 From: mfreptiles at aol.com (mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:10:41 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] Altimeters for sale Message-ID: <8CBC896C2EEFCF9-448-1129@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com> Decided to list a couple of altimeters that I have barely used and haven't flown in a long time.? Local flyers get first shot at them. First is the highly desirable RDAS compact bundled with the firing board module.? These two (if you could find them) would currently retail for close to $400 USD not including shipping from the Netherlands.? The RDAS is the only flight computer that I know of that can capture data from your thrust bench setup or record data from a pressure transducer in flight though its ADC inputs. I'm selling the RDAS bundle with altimeter and extra firing board for $275. Second is a expensive-rare version of the ARTS 1.? It is a high g version.? This one was special ordered to use a 100g accelerometer chip and is one of two ever built, serial number is Hi-G-2.? These were never offered to the public. I'm selling the high-g ARTS for $200. I can deliver to the OROC meeting, OROC launch, or mail it to you.? Visa and Mastercar gladly accepted. Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design -------------- next part -------------- First is the highly desirable RDAS compact bundled with the firing board module.? These two (if you could find them) would currently retail for close to $400 USD not including shipping from the Netherlands.? The RDAS is the only flight computer that I know of that can capture data from your thrust bench setup or record data from a pressure transducer in flight though its ADC inputs. I'm selling the RDAS bundle with altimeter and extra firing board for $275. Second is a expensive-rare version of the ARTS 1.? It is a high g version.? This one was special ordered to use a 100g accelerometer chip and is one of two ever built, serial number is Hi-G-2.? These were never offered to the public. I'm selling the high-g ARTS for $200. I can deliver to the OROC meeting, OROC launch, or mail it to you.? Visa and Mastercar gladly accepted. Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222883570x1201497211/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D0 Dell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops - Deals starting at $399 From mfreptiles at aol.com Wed Jul 1 14:03:20 2009 From: mfreptiles at aol.com (mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:03:20 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] Altimeters for sale In-Reply-To: <8CBC896C2EEFCF9-448-1129@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBC896C2EEFCF9-448-1129@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBC8A67F2E58C6-1590-1622@WEBMAIL-DZ35.sysops.aol.com> RDAS and firing board module are sold. High-g ARTS still available. Thanks, Mike F. -----Original Message----- From: mfreptiles at aol.com To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:10 pm Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] Altimeters for sale First is the highly desirable RDAS compact bundled with the firing board module.? These two (if you could find them) would currently retail for close to $400 USD not including shipping from the Netherlands.? The RDAS is the only flight computer that I know of that can capture data from your thrust bench setup or record data from a pressure transducer in flight though its ADC inputs. I'm selling the RDAS bundle with altimeter and extra firing board for $275. Second is a expensive-rare version of the ARTS 1.? It is a high g version.? This one was special ordered to use a 100g accelerometer chip and is one of two ever built, serial number is Hi-G-2.? These were never offered to the public. I'm selling the high-g ARTS for $200. I can deliver to the OROC meeting, OROC launch, or mail it to you.? Visa and Mastercar gladly accepted. Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222883570x1201497211/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D0 Dell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops - Deals starting at $399 _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- High-g ARTS still available. Thanks, Mike F. -----Original Message----- From: mfreptiles at aol.com To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:10 pm Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] Altimeters for sale First is the highly desirable RDAS compact bundled with the firing board module.? These two (if you could find them) would currently retail for close to $400 USD not including shipping from the Netherlands.? The RDAS is the only flight computer that I know of that can capture data from your thrust bench setup or record data from a pressure transducer in flight though its ADC inputs. I'm selling the RDAS bundle with altimeter and extra firing board for $275. Second is a expensive-rare version of the ARTS 1.? It is a high g version.? This one was special ordered to use a 100g accelerometer chip and is one of two ever built, serial number is Hi-G-2.? These were never offered to the public. I'm selling the high-g ARTS for $200. I can deliver to the OROC meeting, OROC launch, or mail it to you.? Visa and Mastercar gladly accepted. Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222883570x1201497211/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D0 http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222883570x1201497211/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D0 Dell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops - Deals starting at $399 _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222883570x1201497211/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D0 Dell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops - Deals starting at $399 From holdencurrency at comcast.net Wed Jul 1 16:28:06 2009 From: holdencurrency at comcast.net (Chris Holden) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [RocketsNW] blue tube In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1073577405.1360441246490886291.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Attention Scratch Builders, Holdens Hobbies is Proud to announce it has received its 1st shipment of Blue Tube products! www.holdenshobbies.com Stop by my store and see for your self the exciting new product which includes tubes & couplers & more. Chris Holden 253-961-3095 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen S. Willey Mats Mats" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 11:52:32 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] blue tube Does anyone here hav any experience with using Blue Tube for rocket ?? airframes? http://www.alwaysreadyrocketry.com/Products/bluetube.html Does anyone know what it _is_ (yes, i know it's something wound onto a ?? mandrel and used in tank shells, yipee). ??The website says what it's ?? not (cured phenolic, flexible phenolic, etc.) but not what it is. While we're talk'n tubing does anyone hav a good comparison of ?? convolute phenolic v. 'normal' phenolic (i.e. PML phenolic). ??The ?? article http://www.info-central.org/?article=176 doesn't penetrate my ?? thick skull. thanks, steve _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ???? -------------- next part -------------- Attention Scratch Builders, ? Holdens Hobbies is Proud to announce it has received its 1st shipment of Blue Tube products! http://www.holdenshobbies.com/ www.holdenshobbies.com Stop by my store and see for your self the exciting new product which includes tubes & couplers & more. ? Chris Holden 253-961-3095 ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen S. Willey Mats Mats" To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 11:52:32 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] blue tube Does anyone here hav any experience with using Blue Tube for rocket ? airframes? http://www.alwaysreadyrocketry.com/Products/bluetube.html Does anyone know what it _is_ (yes, i know it's something wound onto a ? mandrel and used in tank shells, yipee). ?The website says what it's ? not (cured phenolic, flexible phenolic, etc.) but not what it is. While we're talk'n tubing does anyone hav a good comparison of ? convolute phenolic v. 'normal' phenolic (i.e. PML phenolic). ?The ? article http://www.info-central.org/?article=176 doesn't penetrate my ? thick skull. thanks, steve _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ?? From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 21:59:15 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:59:15 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] We Are Go!!! OregonRocketry Desert Heat Rocket Lauch Event July 10-12 2009 Message-ID: <8FBC4A90F20C45138B778F10FEACAB0F@LaptopKrausert> Prepare; 89 degrees each day; bring your body extra water to drink. 4500 feet above sea level, 89 degrees and the sun will be fine. But only if you come prepared. Sunscreen and water. Keep track of kids behavior. If they act funny or overly active, keep them drinking water. If you go out to recover a rocket, leave prepared. I'll have electrolite beverages if you go over the top. Club, we are go!!!! Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: OregonRocketry Desert Heat Rocket Lauch Event July 10-12 2009 OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - As the current President of OregonRocketry, It is my pleasure to announce our Desert Heat rocket launch event in Brothers Oregon happening July 10th through 12th. Speaking for the entire board of directors, we hope you will join us for a very exciting and memorable weekend of rocketry in the Pacific Northwest. You are welcome and certainly encouraged to join us. Fun for all ages. Adventures in model, sport, and amatuer rocketry begins with OregonRocketry. This is one of the largest and most popular OregonRocketry launches at Brothers each year. We can easily expect to see 100+ people at this launch. Hope you are one. This launch typically brings for a great weekend and a lot of entertaining flights. July 10th is Research Launch day. Tripoli members L2 or higher are welcome to fly hybrid and EX type rockets. Of course, all within accordance with TRA research safety code. Tripoli members 18 years and older, any level, are allowed to fly rockets using commercial motors. Non-TRA members, those under 18, and invited guests are allowed to watch. However, you're not allowed in the prep area or beyond the flight line. You must be a TRA member to fly rockets on Friday. Saturday July 11th and Sunday July 12th are commercial motor only days. Everyone is welcome to fly rockets on both Saturday and Sunday. Bring your rockets and motors, and spend some time with us having a great time flying. 8:00am to 10pm Saturday and 8:00am to 2:00pm Sunday. Night launch on Saturday night, you only need something on your rocket that illuminates the rocket. Glow sticks work!!! Drawing: We will be giving two tickets to kids and one ticket to adults during the morning and afternoon Saturday. We will be holding several drawings to win prizes. So be sure to get your ticket or tickets on Saturday before the drawings. A chance to win great prizes. The club asks that you are aware and comprehend both NAR and TRA safety code. As well as all rules required for the Brothers launch site. Please visit the OregonRocketry.com web site and review our site rules, and visit NAR and TRA websites and review their safety codes. I expect everyone there to comprehend and adhere to these codes. Safety is our priority. All flights will be reviewed by either a launch controller officer and or range safety officer. They have final approval of your flight. If you are bringing a custom made rocket, be prepared to answer questions about stability, center of pressure, center of gravity, delay time, etc. Multi-stage and complex rockets, be prepared to show simulation results if asked. Summer Skies is a great launch event, and very popular by members and the public. We certainly hope you can join us, and who knows - you might have a lot of fun and maybe win a prize. We are at an altitude of 4500 feet. For commercial motors we FAA clearance to 25,000 feet above sea level (or 20,500 feet above ground level or AGL). We have a call in extension to 35,500 feet AGL. For research motors by TRA rules are 75% of the waiver, which is clearance to 18,750 feet above sea level (or 15,375 feet AGL). With the call in extension to 26.625 feet AGL.That should be high enough to keep everyone happy. Directions: We offer complete directions on the OregonRocketry web to the Brothers launch site. At this web URL, there are two directions. http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-bro.htm We currently have two ready firepits at the site. Please do not create any more, we have agreement with landowners that we'd not create new ones. The firepit just West of the LCO table is the community firepit. We'll have a fire Friday and Saturday evening after dusk. Join us for some rocket talk and good times meeting new friends or catching up with old friends. Bring some firewood. We all try to bring some, so we have enough for both nights. We normally get to watch ISS (International Space Station) orbit, fun to see. New to OROC or Brothers? If so, welcome. Brothers is a great launch site, and has a spectacular view of the Three Sisters mountain. You need to be prepared. Cold nights and hot days. Launch site is at 4,500 feet, sunburns can happen quicker. Oh, and kind of important - water, water, water. And sun-screen, sun-screen, sun-screen. Camping is allowed and we'll have porta potties available. No on-site food vendors. Visit the Oregon Rocketry web site to learn more about the Brothers site, rules, and recommendations. While we expect to have a great time, we are also very persistent about minimal impact to the site. http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc.htm We will look to OROC members to help with setup, tear down, and running of the event. Stop by the registration table for a wristband. All visitors and members will be required to have a signed release form for landowners. We have a new release form for one of the landowners, everyone will be required to sign before getting a wristband. If you signed the new release form at the June launch, you're exempt. Lets have a great time. We will be holding an all flyers meeting at 9:30am Saturday morning. See you on the central Oregon sage, July 10th - 12th. Cheers, Robert OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - -------------- next part -------------- Prepare; 89 degrees each day; bring your body extra water to drink. 4500 feet above sea level, 89 degrees and the sun will be fine. But only if you come prepared. Sunscreen and water. Keep track of kids behavior. If they act funny or overly active, keep them drinking water. If you go out to recover a rocket, leave prepared. I'll have electrolite beverages if you go over the top. ? Club, we are go!!!! ? Cheers, Robert ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: OregonRocketry Desert Heat Rocket Lauch Event July 10-12 2009 OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT -? O REGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - As the current President of OregonRocketry, It is my pleasure to announce our Desert Heat rocket launch event in Brothers Oregon happening July 10th?through 12th. Speaking for the entire board of directors, we hope you will join us for a very exciting and memorable weekend of rocketry in the Pacific Northwest. You are welcome and certainly encouraged to join us.? Fun for all ages. Adventures in model, sport, and amatuer rocketry begins with OregonRocketry. This is one of the largest and most popular OregonRocketry launches at Brothers each year. We can easily expect to see 100+ people at this launch. Hope you are one. This launch?typically brings for a great weekend and a lot of entertaining flights. July 10th is Research Launch day. Tripoli members L2 or higher are welcome to fly hybrid and EX type rockets. Of course, all within accordance with TRA research safety code. Tripoli members 18 years and older, any level, are allowed to fly rockets using commercial motors. Non-TRA members, those under 18, and invited guests are allowed to watch. However, you're not allowed in the prep area or beyond the flight line. You must be a TRA member to fly rockets on Friday. Saturday July 11th and Sunday July 12th are commercial motor only days. Everyone is welcome to fly rockets on both Saturday and Sunday. Bring your rockets and motors, and spend some time with us having a great time flying. 8:00am to 10pm Saturday and 8:00am to 2:00pm Sunday. Night launch on Saturday night, you only need something on your rocket that illuminates the rocket. Glow sticks work!!! Drawing: We will be giving two tickets to kids and one ticket to adults during the morning and afternoon Saturday. We will be holding several drawings to win prizes. So be sure to get your ticket or tickets on Saturday before the drawings. A chance to win great prizes. The club asks that you are aware and comprehend both NAR and TRA safety code. As well as all rules required for the Brothers launch site. Please visit the OregonRocketry.com web site and review our site rules, and visit NAR and TRA websites and review their safety codes. I expect everyone there to comprehend and adhere to these codes. Safety is our priority. All flights will be reviewed by either a launch controller officer and or range safety officer. They have final approval of your flight. If you are bringing a custom made rocket, be prepared to answer questions about stability, center of pressure, center of gravity, delay time, etc. Multi-stage and complex rockets, be prepared to show simulation results if asked. Summer Skies is a great launch event, and very popular by members and the public. We certainly hope you can join us, and who knows - you might have a lot of fun and maybe win a prize. We are at an altitude of 4500 feet. For commercial motors we FAA clearance to 25,000 feet above sea level (or 20,500 feet above ground level or AGL). We have a call in extension to 35,500 feet AGL. For research motors by TRA rules are 75% of the waiver, which is clearance to 18,750 feet above sea level (or 15,375 feet AGL). With the call in extension to 26.625 feet AGL.That should be high enough to keep everyone happy. Directions: We offer complete directions on the OregonRocketry web to the Brothers launch site. At this web URL, there are two directions. http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-bro.htm We currently have two ready firepits at the site. Please do not create any more, we have agreement with landowners that we'd not create new ones. The firepit just West of the LCO table is the community firepit. We'll have a fire Friday and Saturday evening after dusk. Join us for some rocket talk and good times meeting new friends or catching up with old friends. Bring some firewood. We all try to bring some, so we have enough for both nights. We normally get to watch ISS (International Space Station) orbit, fun to see. New to OROC or Brothers? If so, welcome. Brothers is a great launch site, and has a spectacular view of the Three Sisters mountain. You need to be prepared. Cold nights and hot days. Launch site is at 4,500 feet, sunburns can happen quicker. Oh, and kind of important - water, water, water. And sun-screen, sun-screen, sun-screen. Camping is allowed and we?ll have porta potties available. No on-site food vendors. Visit the Oregon Rocketry web site to learn more about the Brothers site, rules, and recommendations. While we expect to have a great time, we are also very persistent about minimal impact to the site. http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc.htm We will look to OROC members to help with setup, tear down, and running of the event. Stop by the registration table for a wristband. All visitors and members will be required to have a signed release form for landowners. We have a new release form for one of the landowners, everyone will be required to sign before getting a wristband. If you signed the new release form at the June launch, you're exempt. Lets have a great time. We will be holding an all flyers meeting at 9:30am Saturday morning. See you on the central Oregon sage, July 10th - 12th. Cheers, Robert OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT -? O REGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - ? ? ? From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 22:36:16 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:36:16 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] We Are Go!!! OregonRocketry Desert Heat Rocket Lauch Event July 10-12 2009 Message-ID: <26CCE8B869DD4E5C99762F69E68E8D46@LaptopKrausert> Clarification; Yes I'll have available beverages with electrolites. And you are welcome to them, If you need them. Anyone observed by the officers as in serious dehydration, we'll push for medical attention. We are go!!! And I'm serious, bring and drink water...We have porta potties available, so no worries. I'm no doctor or do not play one on TV, but I'd recommend 16 oz or more water per hour. Lets have fun this event, but also stay safe. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: rockets at rocketsnw.com ; members at oregonrocketry.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:59 PM Subject: We Are Go!!! OregonRocketry Desert Heat Rocket Lauch Event July 10-12 2009 Prepare; 89 degrees each day; bring your body extra water to drink. 4500 feet above sea level, 89 degrees and the sun will be fine. But only if you come prepared. Sunscreen and water. Keep track of kids behavior. If they act funny or overly active, keep them drinking water. If you go out to recover a rocket, leave prepared. I'll have electrolite beverages if you go over the top. Club, we are go!!!! Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: OregonRocketry Desert Heat Rocket Lauch Event July 10-12 2009 OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - As the current President of OregonRocketry, It is my pleasure to announce our Desert Heat rocket launch event in Brothers Oregon happening July 10th through 12th. Speaking for the entire board of directors, we hope you will join us for a very exciting and memorable weekend of rocketry in the Pacific Northwest. You are welcome and certainly encouraged to join us. Fun for all ages. Adventures in model, sport, and amatuer rocketry begins with OregonRocketry. This is one of the largest and most popular OregonRocketry launches at Brothers each year. We can easily expect to see 100+ people at this launch. Hope you are one. This launch typically brings for a great weekend and a lot of entertaining flights. July 10th is Research Launch day. Tripoli members L2 or higher are welcome to fly hybrid and EX type rockets. Of course, all within accordance with TRA research safety code. Tripoli members 18 years and older, any level, are allowed to fly rockets using commercial motors. Non-TRA members, those under 18, and invited guests are allowed to watch. However, you're not allowed in the prep area or beyond the flight line. You must be a TRA member to fly rockets on Friday. Saturday July 11th and Sunday July 12th are commercial motor only days. Everyone is welcome to fly rockets on both Saturday and Sunday. Bring your rockets and motors, and spend some time with us having a great time flying. 8:00am to 10pm Saturday and 8:00am to 2:00pm Sunday. Night launch on Saturday night, you only need something on your rocket that illuminates the rocket. Glow sticks work!!! Drawing: We will be giving two tickets to kids and one ticket to adults during the morning and afternoon Saturday. We will be holding several drawings to win prizes. So be sure to get your ticket or tickets on Saturday before the drawings. A chance to win great prizes. The club asks that you are aware and comprehend both NAR and TRA safety code. As well as all rules required for the Brothers launch site. Please visit the OregonRocketry.com web site and review our site rules, and visit NAR and TRA websites and review their safety codes. I expect everyone there to comprehend and adhere to these codes. Safety is our priority. All flights will be reviewed by either a launch controller officer and or range safety officer. They have final approval of your flight. If you are bringing a custom made rocket, be prepared to answer questions about stability, center of pressure, center of gravity, delay time, etc. Multi-stage and complex rockets, be prepared to show simulation results if asked. Summer Skies is a great launch event, and very popular by members and the public. We certainly hope you can join us, and who knows - you might have a lot of fun and maybe win a prize. We are at an altitude of 4500 feet. For commercial motors we FAA clearance to 25,000 feet above sea level (or 20,500 feet above ground level or AGL). We have a call in extension to 35,500 feet AGL. For research motors by TRA rules are 75% of the waiver, which is clearance to 18,750 feet above sea level (or 15,375 feet AGL). With the call in extension to 26.625 feet AGL.That should be high enough to keep everyone happy. Directions: We offer complete directions on the OregonRocketry web to the Brothers launch site. At this web URL, there are two directions. http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-bro.htm We currently have two ready firepits at the site. Please do not create any more, we have agreement with landowners that we'd not create new ones. The firepit just West of the LCO table is the community firepit. We'll have a fire Friday and Saturday evening after dusk. Join us for some rocket talk and good times meeting new friends or catching up with old friends. Bring some firewood. We all try to bring some, so we have enough for both nights. We normally get to watch ISS (International Space Station) orbit, fun to see. New to OROC or Brothers? If so, welcome. Brothers is a great launch site, and has a spectacular view of the Three Sisters mountain. You need to be prepared. Cold nights and hot days. Launch site is at 4,500 feet, sunburns can happen quicker. Oh, and kind of important - water, water, water. And sun-screen, sun-screen, sun-screen. Camping is allowed and we'll have porta potties available. No on-site food vendors. Visit the Oregon Rocketry web site to learn more about the Brothers site, rules, and recommendations. While we expect to have a great time, we are also very persistent about minimal impact to the site. http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc.htm We will look to OROC members to help with setup, tear down, and running of the event. Stop by the registration table for a wristband. All visitors and members will be required to have a signed release form for landowners. We have a new release form for one of the landowners, everyone will be required to sign before getting a wristband. If you signed the new release form at the June launch, you're exempt. Lets have a great time. We will be holding an all flyers meeting at 9:30am Saturday morning. See you on the central Oregon sage, July 10th - 12th. Cheers, Robert OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - -------------- next part -------------- Clarification; Yes I'll have available beverages with electrolites. And you are welcome to them, If you need them. Anyone observed by the officers as in serious dehydration, we'll push for medical attention. ? We are go!!! ? And I'm serious, bring and drink water...We have porta potties available, so no worries. I'm no doctor or do not play one on TV, but I'd recommend 16 oz or more water per hour. Lets have fun this event, but also stay safe. ? Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:59 PM Subject: We Are Go!!! OregonRocketry Desert Heat Rocket Lauch Event July 10-12 2009 Prepare; 89 degrees each day; bring your body extra water to drink. 4500 feet above sea level, 89 degrees and the sun will be fine. But only if you come prepared. Sunscreen and water. Keep track of kids behavior. If they act funny or overly active, keep them drinking water. If you go out to recover a rocket, leave prepared. I'll have electrolite beverages if you go over the top. ? Club, we are go!!!! ? Cheers, Robert ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: OregonRocketry Desert Heat Rocket Lauch Event July 10-12 2009 OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT -? O REGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - As the current President of OregonRocketry, It is my pleasure to announce our Desert Heat rocket launch event in Brothers Oregon happening July 10th?through 12th. Speaking for the entire board of directors, we hope you will join us for a very exciting and memorable weekend of rocketry in the Pacific Northwest. You are welcome and certainly encouraged to join us.? Fun for all ages. Adventures in model, sport, and amatuer rocketry begins with OregonRocketry. This is one of the largest and most popular OregonRocketry launches at Brothers each year. We can easily expect to see 100+ people at this launch. Hope you are one. This launch?typically brings for a great weekend and a lot of entertaining flights. July 10th is Research Launch day. Tripoli members L2 or higher are welcome to fly hybrid and EX type rockets. Of course, all within accordance with TRA research safety code. Tripoli members 18 years and older, any level, are allowed to fly rockets using commercial motors. Non-TRA members, those under 18, and invited guests are allowed to watch. However, you're not allowed in the prep area or beyond the flight line. You must be a TRA member to fly rockets on Friday. Saturday July 11th and Sunday July 12th are commercial motor only days. Everyone is welcome to fly rockets on both Saturday and Sunday. Bring your rockets and motors, and spend some time with us having a great time flying. 8:00am to 10pm Saturday and 8:00am to 2:00pm Sunday. Night launch on Saturday night, you only need something on your rocket that illuminates the rocket. Glow sticks work!!! Drawing: We will be giving two tickets to kids and one ticket to adults during the morning and afternoon Saturday. We will be holding several drawings to win prizes. So be sure to get your ticket or tickets on Saturday before the drawings. A chance to win great prizes. The club asks that you are aware and comprehend both NAR and TRA safety code. As well as all rules required for the Brothers launch site. Please visit the OregonRocketry.com web site and review our site rules, and visit NAR and TRA websites and review their safety codes. I expect everyone there to comprehend and adhere to these codes. Safety is our priority. All flights will be reviewed by either a launch controller officer and or range safety officer. They have final approval of your flight. If you are bringing a custom made rocket, be prepared to answer questions about stability, center of pressure, center of gravity, delay time, etc. Multi-stage and complex rockets, be prepared to show simulation results if asked. Summer Skies is a great launch event, and very popular by members and the public. We certainly hope you can join us, and who knows - you might have a lot of fun and maybe win a prize. We are at an altitude of 4500 feet. For commercial motors we FAA clearance to 25,000 feet above sea level (or 20,500 feet above ground level or AGL). We have a call in extension to 35,500 feet AGL. For research motors by TRA rules are 75% of the waiver, which is clearance to 18,750 feet above sea level (or 15,375 feet AGL). With the call in extension to 26.625 feet AGL.That should be high enough to keep everyone happy. Directions: We offer complete directions on the OregonRocketry web to the Brothers launch site. At this web URL, there are two directions. http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-bro.htm We currently have two ready firepits at the site. Please do not create any more, we have agreement with landowners that we'd not create new ones. The firepit just West of the LCO table is the community firepit. We'll have a fire Friday and Saturday evening after dusk. Join us for some rocket talk and good times meeting new friends or catching up with old friends. Bring some firewood. We all try to bring some, so we have enough for both nights. We normally get to watch ISS (International Space Station) orbit, fun to see. New to OROC or Brothers? If so, welcome. Brothers is a great launch site, and has a spectacular view of the Three Sisters mountain. You need to be prepared. Cold nights and hot days. Launch site is at 4,500 feet, sunburns can happen quicker. Oh, and kind of important - water, water, water. And sun-screen, sun-screen, sun-screen. Camping is allowed and we?ll have porta potties available. No on-site food vendors. Visit the Oregon Rocketry web site to learn more about the Brothers site, rules, and recommendations. While we expect to have a great time, we are also very persistent about minimal impact to the site. http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc.htm We will look to OROC members to help with setup, tear down, and running of the event. Stop by the registration table for a wristband. All visitors and members will be required to have a signed release form for landowners. We have a new release form for one of the landowners, everyone will be required to sign before getting a wristband. If you signed the new release form at the June launch, you're exempt. Lets have a great time. We will be holding an all flyers meeting at 9:30am Saturday morning. See you on the central Oregon sage, July 10th - 12th. Cheers, Robert OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT -? O REGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - ? ? ? From rcdm at outlawnet.com Thu Jul 2 07:42:21 2009 From: rcdm at outlawnet.com (Moorehead) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:42:21 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] We Are Go!!! OregonRocketry Desert Heat RocketLauch Event References: <26CCE8B869DD4E5C99762F69E68E8D46@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <18A3F65AF8024846B2563880078B9DE8@DANE> A note to anyone coming to the launch by way of the Santiam hwy 20/22/126 etc. Sisters is having their annual quilt show Saturday July 11, attendance usually exceeds 10k folks. The main route through town will be closed but they will have a good detour set up. Still, expect delays due to heavy traffic desperately seeking a parking spot. Quilts are up by 8AM and town is insanely busy all day. Rod M. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: Robert Krausert ; rockets at rocketsnw.com ; members at oregonrocketry.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [OROC Members] We Are Go!!! OregonRocketry Desert Heat RocketLauch Event July 10-12 2009 Clarification; Yes I'll have available beverages with electrolites. And you are welcome to them, If you need them. Anyone observed by the officers as in serious dehydration, we'll push for medical attention. We are go!!! And I'm serious, bring and drink water...We have porta potties available, so no worries. I'm no doctor or do not play one on TV, but I'd recommend 16 oz or more water per hour. Lets have fun this event, but also stay safe. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: rockets at rocketsnw.com ; members at oregonrocketry.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:59 PM Subject: We Are Go!!! OregonRocketry Desert Heat Rocket Lauch Event July 10-12 2009 Prepare; 89 degrees each day; bring your body extra water to drink. 4500 feet above sea level, 89 degrees and the sun will be fine. But only if you come prepared. Sunscreen and water. Keep track of kids behavior. If they act funny or overly active, keep them drinking water. If you go out to recover a rocket, leave prepared. I'll have electrolite beverages if you go over the top. Club, we are go!!!! Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: OregonRocketry Desert Heat Rocket Lauch Event July 10-12 2009 OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - As the current President of OregonRocketry, It is my pleasure to announce our Desert Heat rocket launch event in Brothers Oregon happening July 10th through 12th. Speaking for the entire board of directors, we hope you will join us for a very exciting and memorable weekend of rocketry in the Pacific Northwest. You are welcome and certainly encouraged to join us. Fun for all ages. Adventures in model, sport, and amatuer rocketry begins with OregonRocketry. This is one of the largest and most popular OregonRocketry launches at Brothers each year. We can easily expect to see 100+ people at this launch. Hope you are one. This launch typically brings for a great weekend and a lot of entertaining flights. July 10th is Research Launch day. Tripoli members L2 or higher are welcome to fly hybrid and EX type rockets. Of course, all within accordance with TRA research safety code. Tripoli members 18 years and older, any level, are allowed to fly rockets using commercial motors. Non-TRA members, those under 18, and invited guests are allowed to watch. However, you're not allowed in the prep area or beyond the flight line. You must be a TRA member to fly rockets on Friday. Saturday July 11th and Sunday July 12th are commercial motor only days. Everyone is welcome to fly rockets on both Saturday and Sunday. Bring your rockets and motors, and spend some time with us having a great time flying. 8:00am to 10pm Saturday and 8:00am to 2:00pm Sunday. Night launch on Saturday night, you only need something on your rocket that illuminates the rocket. Glow sticks work!!! Drawing: We will be giving two tickets to kids and one ticket to adults during the morning and afternoon Saturday. We will be holding several drawings to win prizes. So be sure to get your ticket or tickets on Saturday before the drawings. A chance to win great prizes. The club asks that you are aware and comprehend both NAR and TRA safety code. As well as all rules required for the Brothers launch site. Please visit the OregonRocketry.com web site and review our site rules, and visit NAR and TRA websites and review their safety codes. I expect everyone there to comprehend and adhere to these codes. Safety is our priority. All flights will be reviewed by either a launch controller officer and or range safety officer. They have final approval of your flight. If you are bringing a custom made rocket, be prepared to answer questions about stability, center of pressure, center of gravity, delay time, etc. Multi-stage and complex rockets, be prepared to show simulation results if asked. Summer Skies is a great launch event, and very popular by members and the public. We certainly hope you can join us, and who knows - you might have a lot of fun and maybe win a prize. We are at an altitude of 4500 feet. For commercial motors we FAA clearance to 25,000 feet above sea level (or 20,500 feet above ground level or AGL). We have a call in extension to 35,500 feet AGL. For research motors by TRA rules are 75% of the waiver, which is clearance to 18,750 feet above sea level (or 15,375 feet AGL). With the call in extension to 26.625 feet AGL.That should be high enough to keep everyone happy. Directions: We offer complete directions on the OregonRocketry web to the Brothers launch site. At this web URL, there are two directions. http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-bro.htm We currently have two ready firepits at the site. Please do not create any more, we have agreement with landowners that we'd not create new ones. The firepit just West of the LCO table is the community firepit. We'll have a fire Friday and Saturday evening after dusk. Join us for some rocket talk and good times meeting new friends or catching up with old friends. Bring some firewood. We all try to bring some, so we have enough for both nights. We normally get to watch ISS (International Space Station) orbit, fun to see. New to OROC or Brothers? If so, welcome. Brothers is a great launch site, and has a spectacular view of the Three Sisters mountain. You need to be prepared. Cold nights and hot days. Launch site is at 4,500 feet, sunburns can happen quicker. Oh, and kind of important - water, water, water. And sun-screen, sun-screen, sun-screen. Camping is allowed and we'll have porta potties available. No on-site food vendors. Visit the Oregon Rocketry web site to learn more about the Brothers site, rules, and recommendations. While we expect to have a great time, we are also very persistent about minimal impact to the site. http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc.htm We will look to OROC members to help with setup, tear down, and running of the event. Stop by the registration table for a wristband. All visitors and members will be required to have a signed release form for landowners. We have a new release form for one of the landowners, everyone will be required to sign before getting a wristband. If you signed the new release form at the June launch, you're exempt. Lets have a great time. We will be holding an all flyers meeting at 9:30am Saturday morning. See you on the central Oregon sage, July 10th - 12th. Cheers, Robert OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Members mailing list Members at oregonrocketry.org http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members -------------- next part -------------- A note to anyone coming to the launch by way of the Santiam hwy 20/22/126 etc. Sisters is having their annual quilt show Saturday July 11, attendance usually exceeds 10k folks. The main route through town will be closed but they will have a good detour set up. Still, expect delays due to heavy traffic desperately seeking a parking spot. Quilts are up by 8AM and town is insanely busy all day.? ? Rod M. ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [OROC Members] We Are Go!!! OregonRocketry Desert Heat RocketLauch Event July 10-12 2009 Clarification; Yes I'll have available beverages with electrolites. And you are welcome to them, If you need them. Anyone observed by the officers as in serious dehydration, we'll push for medical attention. ? We are go!!! ? And I'm serious, bring and drink water...We have porta potties available, so no worries. I'm no doctor or do not play one on TV, but I'd recommend 16 oz or more water per hour. Lets have fun this event, but also stay safe. ? Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:59 PM Subject: We Are Go!!! OregonRocketry Desert Heat Rocket Lauch Event July 10-12 2009 Prepare; 89 degrees each day; bring your body extra water to drink. 4500 feet above sea level, 89 degrees and the sun will be fine. But only if you come prepared. Sunscreen and water. Keep track of kids behavior. If they act funny or overly active, keep them drinking water. If you go out to recover a rocket, leave prepared. I'll have electrolite beverages if you go over the top. ? Club, we are go!!!! ? Cheers, Robert ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: OregonRocketry Desert Heat Rocket Lauch Event July 10-12 2009 OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT -? O REGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - As the current President of OregonRocketry, It is my pleasure to announce our Desert Heat rocket launch event in Brothers Oregon happening July 10th?through 12th. Speaking for the entire board of directors, we hope you will join us for a very exciting and memorable weekend of rocketry in the Pacific Northwest. You are welcome and certainly encouraged to join us.? Fun for all ages. Adventures in model, sport, and amatuer rocketry begins with OregonRocketry. This is one of the largest and most popular OregonRocketry launches at Brothers each year. We can easily expect to see 100+ people at this launch. Hope you are one. This launch?typically brings for a great weekend and a lot of entertaining flights. July 10th is Research Launch day. Tripoli members L2 or higher are welcome to fly hybrid and EX type rockets. Of course, all within accordance with TRA research safety code. Tripoli members 18 years and older, any level, are allowed to fly rockets using commercial motors. Non-TRA members, those under 18, and invited guests are allowed to watch. However, you're not allowed in the prep area or beyond the flight line. You must be a TRA member to fly rockets on Friday. Saturday July 11th and Sunday July 12th are commercial motor only days. Everyone is welcome to fly rockets on both Saturday and Sunday. Bring your rockets and motors, and spend some time with us having a great time flying. 8:00am to 10pm Saturday and 8:00am to 2:00pm Sunday. Night launch on Saturday night, you only need something on your rocket that illuminates the rocket. Glow sticks work!!! Drawing: We will be giving two tickets to kids and one ticket to adults during the morning and afternoon Saturday. We will be holding several drawings to win prizes. So be sure to get your ticket or tickets on Saturday before the drawings. A chance to win great prizes. The club asks that you are aware and comprehend both NAR and TRA safety code. As well as all rules required for the Brothers launch site. Please visit the OregonRocketry.com web site and review our site rules, and visit NAR and TRA websites and review their safety codes. I expect everyone there to comprehend and adhere to these codes. Safety is our priority. All flights will be reviewed by either a launch controller officer and or range safety officer. They have final approval of your flight. If you are bringing a custom made rocket, be prepared to answer questions about stability, center of pressure, center of gravity, delay time, etc. Multi-stage and complex rockets, be prepared to show simulation results if asked. Summer Skies is a great launch event, and very popular by members and the public. We certainly hope you can join us, and who knows - you might have a lot of fun and maybe win a prize. We are at an altitude of 4500 feet. For commercial motors we FAA clearance to 25,000 feet above sea level (or 20,500 feet above ground level or AGL). We have a call in extension to 35,500 feet AGL. For research motors by TRA rules are 75% of the waiver, which is clearance to 18,750 feet above sea level (or 15,375 feet AGL). With the call in extension to 26.625 feet AGL.That should be high enough to keep everyone happy. Directions: We offer complete directions on the OregonRocketry web to the Brothers launch site. At this web URL, there are two directions. http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-bro.htm We currently have two ready firepits at the site. Please do not create any more, we have agreement with landowners that we'd not create new ones. The firepit just West of the LCO table is the community firepit. We'll have a fire Friday and Saturday evening after dusk. Join us for some rocket talk and good times meeting new friends or catching up with old friends. Bring some firewood. We all try to bring some, so we have enough for both nights. We normally get to watch ISS (International Space Station) orbit, fun to see. New to OROC or Brothers? If so, welcome. Brothers is a great launch site, and has a spectacular view of the Three Sisters mountain. You need to be prepared. Cold nights and hot days. Launch site is at 4,500 feet, sunburns can happen quicker. Oh, and kind of important - water, water, water. And sun-screen, sun-screen, sun-screen. Camping is allowed and we?ll have porta potties available. No on-site food vendors. Visit the Oregon Rocketry web site to learn more about the Brothers site, rules, and recommendations. While we expect to have a great time, we are also very persistent about minimal impact to the site. http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc.htm We will look to OROC members to help with setup, tear down, and running of the event. Stop by the registration table for a wristband. All visitors and members will be required to have a signed release form for landowners. We have a new release form for one of the landowners, everyone will be required to sign before getting a wristband. If you signed the new release form at the June launch, you're exempt. Lets have a great time. We will be holding an all flyers meeting at 9:30am Saturday morning. See you on the central Oregon sage, July 10th - 12th. Cheers, Robert OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT - OREGONROCKETRY - DESERT HEAT -? 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'normal' phenolic (i.e. PML phenolic). ??The ?? article http://www.info-central.org/?article=176 doesn't penetrate my ?? thick skull. thanks, steve _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ???? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ?? -------------- next part -------------- 11:30AM - 6:00PM? on Friday the 3rd.??? But we are closed on the 4th of July. ? Normal Hours after that: We are open Tuesday- Sunday Weekdays from 11:30am-6pm Saturday 9am-6pm Sunday 9am-4pm Closed Mondays Have a great & Safe 4th of July. Chris W. Holden ?>>>---- http://www.holdenshobbies.com www.holdenshobbies.com ----> 253-961-3095 ? PS: I've Posted an information sheet about blue tube on my website if anyone is interested. (PDF) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Woodford" To: "Chris Holden" Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 7:36:46 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] blue tube What are your hours for tomorrow, July 3rd? On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Chris Holden < mailto:holdencurrency at comcast.net holdencurrency at comcast.net > wrote: Attention Scratch Builders, ? Holdens Hobbies is Proud to announce it has received its 1st shipment of Blue Tube products! http://www.holdenshobbies.com/ http://www.holdenshobbies.com/ http://www.holdenshobbies.com/ www.holdenshobbies.com Stop by my store and see for your self the exciting new product which includes tubes & couplers & more. ? Chris Holden 253-961-3095 ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen S. 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First is the highly desirable RDAS compact bundled with the firing board module.? These two (if you could find them) would currently retail for close to $400 USD not including shipping from the Netherlands.? The RDAS is the only flight computer that I know of that can capture data from your thrust bench setup or record data from a pressure transducer in flight though its ADC inputs. I'm selling the RDAS bundle with altimeter and extra firing board for $275. Second is a expensive-rare version of the ARTS 1.? It is a high g version.? This one was special ordered to use a 100g accelerometer chip and is one of two ever built, serial number is Hi-G-2.? These were never offered to the public. I'm selling the high-g ARTS for $200. I can deliver to the OROC meeting, OROC launch, or mail it to you.? Visa and Mastercar gladly accepted. Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design First is the highly desirable RDAS compact bundled with the firing board module.? These two (if you could find them) would currently retail for close to $400 USD not including shipping from the Netherlands.? The RDAS is the only flight computer that I know of that can capture data from your thrust bench setup or record data from a pressure transducer in flight though its ADC inputs. I'm selling the RDAS bundle with altimeter and extra firing board for $275. Second is a expensive-rare version of the ARTS 1.? It is a high g version.? This one was special ordered to use a 100g accelerometer chip and is one of two ever built, serial number is Hi-G-2.? These were never offered to the public. I'm selling the high-g ARTS for $200. I can deliver to the OROC meeting, OROC launch, or mail it to you.? Visa and Mastercar gladly accepted. Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222883570x1201497211/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D0 Dell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops - Deals starting at $399 _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222696924x1201468348/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D1 Dell Summer Savings: Cool Deals on Popular Laptops - Shop Now! From t.j.doll at att.net Thu Jul 2 20:47:36 2009 From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:47:36 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] LDRS - Day One Message-ID: <070320090347.25621.4A4D7F580007EB990000641522230706129B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Normal 0 false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 Short story ??? weather stinks (and wins). The flights from Seattle were OK, almost enjoyable (I was infirst class ??? I used miles and it was only another 5,000 miles for first class relativeto coach, which made it a no brainer). Arrived at the host Holiday Inn at about 1:00am ??? I was unable to???claim??? the boxes I???d shipped before hand as the room they were stashed in waslocked up, but I didn???t mind much since it meant I could get to bed a littleearlier. Thursday morning was met with rain ??? lots of rain. Heading out to the hotel lobby I met severalother rocketeers (I???m lousy at names, but I recognized several from MasterBlasters), where I heard that the launch site was a mud bog and many wereplanning to spend the day in or around the hotel. But I didn???t fly cross country to hang out atthe hotel so I collected my shipped boxes and headed off for the launchsite. It was a mud bog. I was feeling pretty smart about my decisionthe night before to ask for (and pay extra for) an SUV at the rental counter,until I got stuck ??? turns out that renting an SUV doesn???t mean you???re gettingall-wheel-drive (and another reason why GM is in bankruptcy). Then again, I saw a few AWD Subaru???s gettingpulled out of the muck as well, so maybe it didn???t matter?????? Most of my rockets arrived OK, but the Sheri???s Hot RocketsLittle Joe II suffered major damage to the escape tower ??? too much to fix here,and without the escape tower I question if it would be stable so it won???t fly. With the mud bog conditions today???s turnout was light. I started out with my 4 ???D??? engine Estes ProPatriot ??? nice flight but the (stock) elastic shock cord failed so the back end???glided??? in - with the soft ground there was minimal damage (long hike for thenose and parachute though). Next the29mm Estes Saturn V on a ???G??? ??? again a nice boost but the booster chute tangledand never opened ??? major damage on impact even with the soft ground (don???t knowif it???s worth fixing, especially since I have a 29mm with four 18mm clusterversion in work). Next a one-of-a-kind24mm Nike Ajax on an Estes D12 ??? first flight so I???d gone conservative. Perhaps wise since it corkscrewed on the wayup ??? so I added some nose weight and fired it later in the day on a D15W-4 ???near arrow straight (tomorrow on an E or F???). I also made a first flight of a Noris/Apogee Soyuzon a D12 -5. I can???t recommend this kit ???although I built it stock (already a difficult build), the nose chute mountfailed, and on touchdown (even without the mass of the nose) the rocket almostliterally came apart, shedding the ???strap-on??? boosters. Overall, a disappointing day. Nothing against the LDRS crew ??? they didtheir job (quite well), but the weather and mud was too much. The parking area was largely empty and manyif not most vendors took the day off. Icame back to the hotel literally caked with mud, and on more than one occasionI was walking in mud so deep that I had to be careful not to loose my shoes. The total for the day was ~100 launches(admittedly over half high power). The forecast is for the weather to improve ??? fingers arecrossed. If it???s raining when I get upFriday, I???m going back to bed. Tim -------------- next part -------------- Short story ??? weather stinks (and wins). ? The flights from Seattle were OK, almost enjoyable (I was in first class ??? I used miles and it was only another 5,000 miles for first class relative to coach, which made it a no brainer). ? Arrived at the host Holiday Inn at about 1:00am ??? I was unable to ???claim??? the boxes I???d shipped before hand as the room they were stashed in was locked up, but I didn???t mind much since it meant I could get to bed a little earlier. ? Thursday morning was met with rain ??? lots of rain. ? Heading out to the hotel lobby I met several other rocketeers (I???m lousy at names, but I recognized several from Master Blasters), where I heard that the launch site was a mud bog and many were planning to spend the day in or around the hotel. ? But I didn???t fly cross country to hang out at the hotel so I collected my shipped boxes and headed off for the launch site. ? It was a mud bog. ? I was feeling pretty smart about my decision the night before to ask for (and pay extra for) an SUV at the rental counter, until I got stuck ??? turns out that renting an SUV doesn???t mean you???re getting all-wheel-drive (and another reason why GM is in bankruptcy). ? Then again, I saw a few AWD Subaru???s getting pulled out of the muck as well, so maybe it didn???t matter?????? ? Most of my rockets arrived OK, but the Sheri???s Hot Rockets Little Joe II suffered major damage to the escape tower ??? too much to fix here, and without the escape tower I question if it would be stable so it won???t fly. ? With the mud bog conditions today???s turnout was light. ? I started out with my 4 ???D??? engine Estes Pro Patriot ??? nice flight but the (stock) elastic shock cord failed so the back end ???glided??? in - with the soft ground there was minimal damage (long hike for the nose and parachute though). ? Next the 29mm Estes Saturn V on a ???G??? ??? again a nice boost but the booster chute tangled and never opened ??? major damage on impact even with the soft ground (don???t know if it???s worth fixing, especially since I have a 29mm with four 18mm cluster version in work). ? Next a one-of-a-kind 24mm Nike Ajax on an Estes D12 ??? first flight so I???d gone conservative. ? Perhaps wise since it corkscrewed on the way up ??? so I added some nose weight and fired it later in the day on a D15W-4 ??? near arrow straight (tomorrow on an E or F???). ? I also made a first flight of a Noris/Apogee Soyuz on a D12 -5. ? I can???t recommend this kit ??? although I built it stock (already a difficult build), the nose chute mount failed, and on touchdown (even without the mass of the nose) the rocket almost literally came apart, shedding the ???strap-on??? boosters. ? Overall, a disappointing day. ? Nothing against the LDRS crew ??? they did their job (quite well), but the weather and mud was too much. ?? The parking area was largely empty and many if not most vendors took the day off. ? I came back to the hotel literally caked with mud, and on more than one occasion I was walking in mud so deep that I had to be careful not to loose my shoes. ? The total for the day was ~100 launches (admittedly over half high power). ? The forecast is for the weather to improve ??? fingers are crossed. ? If it???s raining when I get up Friday, I???m going back to bed. Tim From t.j.doll at att.net Fri Jul 3 17:58:22 2009 From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:58:22 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] LDRS Day Two Message-ID: <070420090058.13060.4A4EA92E000B8E0E0000330422230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Short story - MUCH better than Thursday. The weather gods were nicer today - although it was overcast much of the time there was no meaningful rain and the sun made occasional appearances. As a result the road in and the pad/parking area firmed up and I only saw one vehicle get stuck (and that early in the day). As a result most of the participants and vendors showed up and the launch racks were busy - especially in the afternoon. The bad news is that the wind picked up relative to yesterday so long walks to recover were common, and the fields east of the launch area where most of the rockets came down were still ankle deep mud. I had a good day - I launched my AeroTech ARCAS (on an F), North Coast Big Brute and Interceptor G (both on G's), and Apogee Saturn 1B (G64) and Saturn V (H128). All flew well and recovered safely with minimal touchdown damage (one nice thing about the mud was it softened the touchdowns). I wanted to fly my Level 2 cert flight (Sheri's Saturn V) today, but simply ran out of time (I spent a lot of time chasing down the rockets, and moving through the deep mud in the recovery fields was exhausting). However tomorrow is supposed to nicer - with lower winds - and I did purchase the motor and casing today so I should be good to go tomorrow. Tim -------------- next part -------------- Short story - MUCH better than Thursday. ? The weather gods were?nicer today - although it was overcast much of the time there was no meaningful rain and the sun made occasional appearances.? As a result the road in and the pad/parking area firmed up and I only saw one vehicle get stuck (and that early in the day).? As a result most of the participants and vendors showed up and the launch racks were busy - especially in the afternoon.? The bad news is that the wind picked up relative to yesterday so long walks to recover were common, and the fields east of the launch area where most of the rockets came down were still ankle deep mud. ? I had a good day - I launched my AeroTech ARCAS (on an F), North Coast Big Brute and Interceptor G (both on G's), and Apogee Saturn 1B (G64) and Saturn V (H128).? All flew well and recovered safely with minimal touchdown damage (one nice thing about the mud was it softened the touchdowns).? I wanted to fly my Level 2 cert flight (Sheri's Saturn V) today, but simply ran out of time (I spent a lot of time chasing down the rockets, and moving through the deep mud in the recovery fields was exhausting).? However tomorrow is supposed to nicer -?with lower winds - and I did purchase the motor and casing today so I should be good to go tomorrow. ? Tim From t.j.doll at att.net Sat Jul 4 18:53:09 2009 From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:53:09 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] LDRS, Day Three Message-ID: <070520090153.5420.4A5007850008817E0000152C22243651029B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Short Story - Level 2 Cert Attempt Saturday dawned cloudy and WINDY. The forecast had called for lesser winds today (relative to yesterday), but they were wrong - there was a strong wind from the west all day (of course, the winds died down a bit after the range closed at 6:00pm). My focus today was the Level 2 Cert flight of that big SHR Saturn V - I'd worry about what else I wanted to fly after that was out of the way. As I started to assemble the J275W motor I quickly realized that apparently Level 2 motors don't include igniters or ejection charges, so it was off to vendor row to address those shortcomings. The motor went together, and I carefully prepped the rocket itself. I headed to the RSO to for the pre-flight check - even at LDRS walking around with a 7.5 ft. Saturn on your shoulder draws a lot of attention. I wanted to make sure I had an 8 ft. rail (even with a J275W, Rocksim said it wouldn't be stable until a few inches before it left an 8 ft. rail), so there was a short wait until the appropriate rail become available. As I placed the rocket on the pad and inserted the igniter, I was the center of attention - lots of photos and a video interview with Rockets Magazine. I knew I was nervous, but how nervous became apparent when I watched my hands shake as I hooked up the igniter... I was worried that, with the strong wind, it might weathercock off the rod, but liftoff was magnificent with a slow (by mod-rock standards) majestic boost that was nearly straight up to what looked close to the Rocksim predicted 1600 ft. Motor ejection was right at apogee, and a moment later both 'chutes opened to a round of applause. I figured I was home free. Wrong..... While the lower part of the Saturn descended nicely, the upper portion caught a thermal and started drifting. I never thought I'd worry about 4 pounds of rocket not coming down on a 60 inch parachute, but it simply did not descend - at times appearing to actually rise! It drifted so far I lost sight of it before it came down. I knew I had to try, but with little more than a general area where I thought it came down, I was not optimistic that I would ever see it again. If someone had ask me to list everything that might have gone wrong on my cert flight, I would never have even considered loosing the rocket - but suddenly that was a very real possibility. After recovering the lower portion, there was a road leading to the area where I thought the top came down so I took the car and headed over. 90 minutes later I'd found two lost high power rockets, but not the one I was looking for. I headed back to the range, hoping against hope that the karma of the two rockets I was returning with would mean someone else had found mine, but no joy. I was seriously bummed - not only was my rocket lost, a quick check confirmed it would mean I'd failed my Cert flight. If I learned anything from recovering rockets, it's that they are nearly always further away than you think. Having 'been there', I looked back at the lay of where I'd been looking, and decided to try again, even further out (where there was another road). Problem was, there were large areas of trees, and much of the open area was either corn crop or tall scrub - finding my Saturn would take luck, a lot of it. Two hours later I was giving up - the rocket had launched a few minutes after noon - it was now 4:30pm and the outlook was worse than grim. But I figure never walk the same ground, so I took a different route back up the hill to where I'd left the car. Then in an instant my bad day turned in to a great day - there it was - laying between a corn field and a line of trees. Pure dumb luck (or perhaps some divine intervention - I'd said a few prayers during the search). It had landed in a corn field, but the wind had dragged it at least 100 ft. across the field to the tree line (knocking the escape tower off in the process, but tracking back through the knocked down corn I was able to find the missing tower). It seemed to take forever to get back to the launch area - but on arrival I quickly assembled the witnesses who promptly agreed that this was a successful flight and signed off my paperwork. So I'm now officially Level 2 Certified - WhoHoo! At the launch site, someone had a large blowup of a Google aerial view of the launch area, with circles marking the distance from the launch pads. Where I found the upper portion of my Saturn was almost exactly on the 3 mile circle - after a flight to ~ 1,600 ft. A tough way to do it, but I'm not complaining. BTW, I'm done flying - Sunday/Monday are Tripoli research only. So Sunday I'm planning to head to Watkins Glen for the Indy Car race - Monday I'll go back out to spectate and help if needed. Tim -------------- next part -------------- Short Story - Level 2 Cert Attempt ? Saturday dawned cloudy and WINDY.? The forecast had called for lesser winds today (relative to yesterday), but they were wrong - there was a strong wind from the west all day (of course, the winds?died down a bit after the range closed at 6:00pm). ? My focus today was the Level 2 Cert flight of that big SHR Saturn V - I'd worry about what else I wanted to fly after that was out of the way. ? As I started to assemble the J275W motor I quickly?realized that apparently Level 2 motors don't include igniters or ejection charges, so it was off to vendor row to address those shortcomings.? The motor went together, and I carefully prepped the rocket itself.? ? I headed?to the RSO to for the pre-flight check - even at LDRS walking around with a 7.5 ft.?Saturn on your shoulder draws a lot of attention.? I wanted to make sure I had an 8 ft. rail (even with a J275W, Rocksim said it wouldn't be stable until a few inches before it left an 8 ft. rail), so there was a short wait until the appropriate rail become available.? As I placed the rocket on the pad and inserted the igniter, I was the center of attention - lots of photos and a video interview with Rockets Magazine.? I knew I was nervous, but how nervous became apparent when I watched my hands shake as I hooked up the igniter... ? I was worried that, with the strong wind, it might weathercock off the rod, but liftoff was magnificent with a slow (by mod-rock standards) majestic?boost that was?nearly straight up to what looked close to the Rocksim predicted 1600 ft.? Motor ejection was right at apogee, and a moment later both 'chutes opened to a round of applause.? I figured I was home free.? ? Wrong..... ? While the lower part of the Saturn descended nicely, the upper portion caught a thermal and started drifting.? I never thought I'd worry about 4 pounds of rocket not coming down?on a 60 inch parachute, but it simply did not descend - at times appearing to actually rise!? It drifted so far I lost sight of it before it came down.? I knew I had to try, but with little more than a general area where I thought it came down, I was not optimistic that I would ever see it again.? If someone had ask me to list everything that might have gone wrong on my cert flight, I would never have even considered loosing the rocket - but suddenly that was a very real possibility. ? After recovering the lower portion, there was a road leading to the area where I thought the top came down so I took the car and headed over.? 90 minutes later I'd found two lost high power rockets, but not the one I was looking for.? I headed back to the range, hoping against hope that the karma of the two rockets I was returning with would mean someone else had found mine, but no joy.? I was seriously bummed - not only was my rocket lost, a quick check confirmed it would mean I'd failed my Cert flight. ? If I learned anything from recovering rockets, it's that they are nearly always further away than you think.? Having 'been there', I looked back at the lay of where I'd been looking, and decided to try again, even further out (where there was another road).? Problem was, there were large areas of trees, and much of the open area was either corn crop or?tall scrub - finding?my Saturn?would take?luck, a lot of it.? ? Two hours later I was giving up - the rocket had launched a few minutes after noon - it was now 4:30pm and the outlook was worse than grim.? But I figure never walk the same ground, so I took a different route back up the hill to where I'd left the car.??Then in an instant my bad day turned in to a great day - there it was - laying between a corn field and a line of trees.? Pure dumb luck (or perhaps some divine intervention - I'd said a few prayers during the search).? It had landed in a corn field,?but the wind had dragged it at least 100 ft. across the field to the tree line (knocking the escape tower off in the process, but tracking back through the knocked down corn I was able to find the missing tower).? It seemed to take forever to get back to the launch area - but on arrival I quickly assembled the witnesses who promptly agreed that this was a successful flight and signed off my paperwork.? So I'm now officially Level 2 Certified - WhoHoo! ? At the launch site, someone had a large blowup of a Google aerial view of the launch area, with circles marking the distance from the launch pads.? Where I found the upper portion of my Saturn was almost exactly on the 3 mile circle - after a flight to ~ 1,600 ft. ? A tough way to do it, but I'm not complaining. ? BTW, I'm done flying - Sunday/Monday are Tripoli research only.? So Sunday I'm planning to head to Watkins Glen for the Indy Car race - Monday I'll go back out to spectate and help if needed. ? Tim From sealtee at cableone.net Sat Jul 4 19:26:48 2009 From: sealtee at cableone.net (Cameron Tinder) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:26:48 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Message-ID: <000001c9fd18$0cbe2480$263a6d80$@net> Is there anyone out there that has ground tested their MAWD altimeters? :?:Actually what I am looking for is someone that has successfully ground tested the MAWD altimeter. I have several times unsuccessfully tested two! Here is the deal. I have set up two NEW Perfectflite MAWD altimeters in a 5 inch rocket. I tested them one at a time with the same result. In both cases upon power up the proper mach and main settings are beeped out as was the last flights altitude. (In this case it was the altitudes from the factory.) Then in both cases I got the re-cycling 3 beeps telling me that both the apogee and main charged have continuity. Ok, here is where I'm having an issue. What I am trying to do is to create a "rapid decrease in pressure" to simulate a launch condition. What I decided to do was to put the rocket on it's side, level with the ground then I armed the altimeter. After it powered up and got to the re-cycling 3 beeps I placed a shop vac first to about 2 inches from the vent holes and turned it on. After letting it run for several seconds I turned it off, nothing. It was still doing the 3 beep thing. I moved the vac closer and closer repeating this procedure with the same result, nothing. I ended up with the vac right up to the side of the rocket with the same result. I repeated the same with the other altimeter with the exact same results. I read the owners manual (no mention of a "G switch") and it said that this thing only needs to sense a difference of 160 feet of altitude to arm itself. So what gives? Does anyone have a better Idea on how to ground test these things? Thanks! Cameron -------------- next part -------------- Is there anyone out there that has ground tested their MAWD altimeters? cid:image001.gif at 01C9FCDD.5FA7BC50 Actually what I am looking for is someone that has successfully ground tested the MAWD altimeter. I have several times unsuccessfully tested two! Here is the deal. I have set up two NEW Perfectflite MAWD altimeters in a 5 inch rocket. I tested them one at a time with the same result. In both cases upon power up the proper mach and main settings are beeped out as was the last flights altitude. (In this case it was the altitudes from the factory.) Then in both cases I got the re-cycling 3 beeps telling me that both the apogee and main charged have continuity. Ok, here is where I???m having an issue. What I am trying to do is to create a ???rapid decrease in pressure??? to simulate a launch condition. What I decided to do was to put the rocket on it???s side, level with the ground then I armed the altimeter. After it powered up and got to the re-cycling 3 beeps I placed a shop vac first to about 2 inches from the vent holes and turned it on. After letting it run for several seconds I turned it off, nothing. It was still doing the 3 beep thing. I moved the vac closer and closer repeating this procedure with the same result, nothing. I ended up with the vac right up to the side of the rocket with the same result. I repeated the same with the other altimeter with the exact same results. I read the owners manual (no mention of a ???G switch???) and it said that this thing only needs to sense a difference of 160 feet of altitude to arm itself. So what gives? Does anyone have a better Idea on how to ground test these things? Thanks! Cameron -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 643 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20090704/17267594/attachment.gif From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 19:56:03 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:56:03 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters References: <000001c9fd18$0cbe2480$263a6d80$@net> Message-ID: <20A8E2AAC2E34DFAA3F830075095A523@LaptopKrausert> Cameron, Arm the alt at 12 o- clock (up is up), once armed go to 7 o-clock (clockwise) and do it quickly. Count 1000-1 1000-2, and bring it back to 12 o-clock (counter clockwise) fast. At 7 o-clock, the LED will go steady. Back to 12 it will within a second pop drouge and a second later pop main. Hold in hand with use your arm being the clock arm. Use Christmas lights to see the D and M pop. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Tinder" To: Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters > Is there anyone out there that has ground tested their MAWD altimeters? > :?:Actually what I am looking for is someone that has successfully ground > tested the MAWD altimeter. I have several times unsuccessfully tested two! > Here is the deal. I have set up two NEW Perfectflite MAWD altimeters in a > 5 > inch rocket. I tested them one at a time with the same result. In both > cases > upon power up the proper mach and main settings are beeped out as was the > last flights altitude. (In this case it was the altitudes from the > factory.) > Then in both cases I got the re-cycling 3 beeps telling me that both the > apogee and main charged have continuity. Ok, here is where I'm having an > issue. What I am trying to do is to create a "rapid decrease in pressure" > to > simulate a launch condition. What I decided to do was to put the rocket on > it's side, level with the ground then I armed the altimeter. After it > powered up and got to the re-cycling 3 beeps I placed a shop vac first to > about 2 inches from the vent holes and turned it on. After letting it run > for several seconds I turned it off, nothing. It was still doing the 3 > beep > thing. I moved the vac closer and closer repeating this procedure with the > same result, nothing. I ended up with the vac right up to the side of the > rocket with the same result. I repeated the same with the other altimeter > with the exact same results. I read the owners manual (no mention of a "G > switch") and it said that this thing only needs to sense a difference of > 160 > feet of altitude to arm itself. So what gives? Does anyone have a better > Idea on how to ground test these things? > Thanks! > > Cameron > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From melamy at earthlink.net Sat Jul 4 19:57:41 2009 From: melamy at earthlink.net (melamy at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:57:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Message-ID: <25104580.1246762661441.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> not sure how to ground test these, but two things come to mind. First, what did PerfectFlite say when you asked them how to ground test their product? Second, be careful with regards to the pressure sensors. They potentially could be damaged by too much or too little pressure - not sure what a shop vac can pull. Of note, even accelerometers can be damaged by too much g forces on them. You would be surprised how much G force is exerted when something falls on a concrete floor (doesn't apply to the mawd). best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- >From: Cameron Tinder >Sent: Jul 4, 2009 7:26 PM >To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters > >Is there anyone out there that has ground tested their MAWD altimeters? >Thanks! >Cameron From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 21:08:30 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 21:08:30 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] LDRS, Day Three References: <070520090153.5420.4A5007850008817E0000152C22243651029B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Message-ID: <4F0C69B5F5514B90A0A4F5C426F8A1FB@LaptopKrausert> Tim, Thank you for the daily updates of the event. After all the rain, muck, mud and wind - your weekend was completed. Congrats on your L2 certification. Get out your credit card. Tell your better half to hide the home equity line checks from you. ;-) No comment on the 60" chute with a 4.4 # weight. Other than a magatude or two to big. You found it and that's the point. Seriously, good job. Again thank you for sharing day by day updates. Have fun watching Indy. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rocket Lost" Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] LDRS, Day Three > Short Story - Level 2 Cert Attempt > > Saturday dawned cloudy and WINDY. The forecast had called for lesser > winds today (relative to yesterday), but they were wrong - there was a > strong wind from the west all day (of course, the winds died down a bit > after the range closed at 6:00pm). > > My focus today was the Level 2 Cert flight of that big SHR Saturn V - I'd > worry about what else I wanted to fly after that was out of the way. > > As I started to assemble the J275W motor I quickly realized that > apparently Level 2 motors don't include igniters or ejection charges, so > it was off to vendor row to address those shortcomings. The motor went > together, and I carefully prepped the rocket itself. > > I headed to the RSO to for the pre-flight check - even at LDRS walking > around with a 7.5 ft. Saturn on your shoulder draws a lot of attention. I > wanted to make sure I had an 8 ft. rail (even with a J275W, Rocksim said > it wouldn't be stable until a few inches before it left an 8 ft. rail), so > there was a short wait until the appropriate rail become available. As I > placed the rocket on the pad and inserted the igniter, I was the center of > attention - lots of photos and a video interview with Rockets Magazine. I > knew I was nervous, but how nervous became apparent when I watched my > hands shake as I hooked up the igniter... > > I was worried that, with the strong wind, it might weathercock off the > rod, but liftoff was magnificent with a slow (by mod-rock standards) > majestic boost that was nearly straight up to what looked close to the > Rocksim predicted 1600 ft. Motor ejection was right at apogee, and a > moment later both 'chutes opened to a round of applause. I figured I was > home free. > > Wrong..... > > While the lower part of the Saturn descended nicely, the upper portion > caught a thermal and started drifting. I never thought I'd worry about 4 > pounds of rocket not coming down on a 60 inch parachute, but it simply did > not descend - at times appearing to actually rise! It drifted so far I > lost sight of it before it came down. I knew I had to try, but with > little more than a general area where I thought it came down, I was not > optimistic that I would ever see it again. If someone had ask me to list > everything that might have gone wrong on my cert flight, I would never > have even considered loosing the rocket - but suddenly that was a very > real possibility. > > After recovering the lower portion, there was a road leading to the area > where I thought the top came down so I took the car and headed over. 90 > minutes later I'd found two lost high power rockets, but not the one I was > looking for. I headed back to the range, hoping against hope that the > karma of the two rockets I was returning with would mean someone else had > found mine, but no joy. I was seriously bummed - not only was my rocket > lost, a quick check confirmed it would mean I'd failed my Cert flight. > > If I learned anything from recovering rockets, it's that they are nearly > always further away than you think. Having 'been there', I looked back at > the lay of where I'd been looking, and decided to try again, even further > out (where there was another road). Problem was, there were large areas > of trees, and much of the open area was either corn crop or tall scrub - > finding my Saturn would take luck, a lot of it. > > Two hours later I was giving up - the rocket had launched a few minutes > after noon - it was now 4:30pm and the outlook was worse than grim. But I > figure never walk the same ground, so I took a different route back up the > hill to where I'd left the car. Then in an instant my bad day turned in > to a great day - there it was - laying between a corn field and a line of > trees. Pure dumb luck (or perhaps some divine intervention - I'd said a > few prayers during the search). It had landed in a corn field, but the > wind had dragged it at least 100 ft. across the field to the tree line > (knocking the escape tower off in the process, but tracking back through > the knocked down corn I was able to find the missing tower). It seemed to > take forever to get back to the launch area - but on arrival I quickly > assembled the witnesses who promptly agreed that this was a successful > flight and signed off my paperwork. So I'm now officially Level 2 > Certified - WhoHoo! > > At the launch site, someone had a large blowup of a Google aerial view of > the launch area, with circles marking the distance from the launch pads. > Where I found the upper portion of my Saturn was almost exactly on the 3 > mile circle - after a flight to ~ 1,600 ft. > > A tough way to do it, but I'm not complaining. > > BTW, I'm done flying - Sunday/Monday are Tripoli research only. So Sunday > I'm planning to head to Watkins Glen for the Indy Car race - Monday I'll > go back out to spectate and help if needed. > > Tim > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Short Story - Level 2 Cert Attempt Saturday dawned cloudy and WINDY. The forecast had called for lesser winds today (relative to yesterday), but they were wrong - there was a strong wind from the west all day (of course, the windsdied down a bit after the range closed at 6:00pm). My focus today was the Level 2 Cert flight of that big SHR Saturn V - I'd worry about what else I wanted to fly after that was out of the way. As I started to assemble the J275W motor I quicklyrealized that apparently Level 2 motors don't include igniters or ejection charges, so it was off to vendor row to address those shortcomings. The motor went together, and I carefully prepped the rocket itself. I headedto the RSO to for the pre-flight check - even at LDRS walking around with a 7.5 ft.Saturn on your shoulder draws a lot of attention. I wanted to make sure I had an 8 ft. rail (even with a J275W, Rocksim said it wouldn't be stable until a few inches before it left an 8 ft. rail), so there was a short wait until the appropriate rail become available. As I placed the rocket on the pad and inserted the igniter, I was the center of attention - lots of photos and a video interview with Rockets Magazine. I knew I was nervous, but how nervous became apparent when I watched my hands shake as I hooked up the igniter... I was worried that, with the strong wind, it might weathercock off the rod, but liftoff was magnificent with a slow (by mod-rock standards) majesticboost that wasnearly straight up to what looked close to the Rocksim predicted 1600 ft. Motor ejection was right at apogee, and a moment later both 'chutes opened to a round of applause. I figured I was home free. Wrong..... While the lower part of the Saturn descended nicely, the upper portion caught a thermal and started drifting. I never thought I'd worry about 4 pounds of rocket not coming downon a 60 inch parachute, but it simply did not descend - at times appearing to actually rise! It drifted so far I lost sight of it before it came down. I knew I had to try, but with little more than a general area where I thought it came down, I was not optimistic that I would ever see it again. If someone had ask me to list everything that might have gone wrong on my cert flight, I would never have even considered loosing the rocket - but suddenly that was a very real possibility. After recovering the lower portion, there was a road leading to the area where I thought the top came down so I took the car and headed over. 90 minutes later I'd found two lost high power rockets, but not the one I was looking for. I headed back to the range, hoping against hope that the karma of the two rockets I was returning with would mean someone else had found mine, but no joy. I was seriously bummed - not only was my rocket lost, a quick check confirmed it would mean I'd failed my Cert flight. If I learned anything from recovering rockets, it's that they are nearly always further away than you think. Having 'been there', I looked back at the lay of where I'd been looking, and decided to try again, even further out (where there was another road). Problem was, there were large areas of trees, and much of the open area was either corn crop ortall scrub - findingmy Saturnwould takeluck, a lot of it. Two hours later I was giving up - the rocket had launched a few minutes after noon - it was now 4:30pm and the outlook was worse than grim. But I figure never walk the same ground, so I took a different route back up the hill to where I'd left the car.Then in an instant my bad day turned in to a great day - there it was - laying between a corn field and a line of trees. Pure dumb luck (or perhaps some divine intervention - I'd said a few prayers during the search). It had landed in a corn field,but the wind had dragged it at least 100 ft. across the field to the tree line (knocking the escape tower off in the process, but tracking back through the knocked down corn I was able to find the missing tower). It seemed to take forever to get back to the launch area - but on arrival I quickly assembled the witnesses who promptly agreed that this was a successful flight and signed off my paperwork. So I'm now officially Level 2 Certified - WhoHoo! At the launch site, someone had a large blowup of a Google aerial view of the launch area, with circles marking the distance from the launch pads. Where I found the upper portion of my Saturn was almost exactly on the 3 mile circle - after a flight to ~ 1,600 ft. A tough way to do it, but I'm not complaining. BTW, I'm done flying - Sunday/Monday are Tripoli research only. So Sunday I'm planning to head to Watkins Glen for the Indy Car race - Monday I'll go back out to spectate and help if needed. Tim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From MartyWeiser at comcast.net Sun Jul 5 08:34:00 2009 From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty Weiser) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:34:00 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters In-Reply-To: <000001c9fd18$0cbe2480$263a6d80$@net> References: <000001c9fd18$0cbe2480$263a6d80$@net> Message-ID: <001201c9fd86$056f6040$104e20c0$@net> Cameron, I tested one last week. I have an acrylic plate that seals the top of a metal bowl with a small vacuum port for some aquarium tubing. I put the small Christmas tree bulbs on the channels and then suck on the aquarium tube to reduce the pressure and then let it leak into simulate descent. Both fired and I downloaded good data. The altimeter was flat on its back since the MAWD is strictly barometric. I think the problem you are having with your testing is leakage. Did you close off the other vent holes? How well sealed is the rest of the electronics bay? Also shop vacs are designed to move lots of air at a fairly small pressure differential. You might be better off to make small vacuum chamber (a food storage container or large mouth jar will work with a port in the top for some tubing). I recommend using the sucking method to reduce the pressure unless you have a good vacuum gauge and valving to control the vacuum since you don't want to go to too low a pressure. Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:27 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Is there anyone out there that has ground tested their MAWD altimeters? :?:Actually what I am looking for is someone that has successfully ground tested the MAWD altimeter. I have several times unsuccessfully tested two! Here is the deal. I have set up two NEW Perfectflite MAWD altimeters in a 5 inch rocket. I tested them one at a time with the same result. In both cases upon power up the proper mach and main settings are beeped out as was the last flights altitude. (In this case it was the altitudes from the factory.) Then in both cases I got the re-cycling 3 beeps telling me that both the apogee and main charged have continuity. Ok, here is where I'm having an issue. What I am trying to do is to create a "rapid decrease in pressure" to simulate a launch condition. What I decided to do was to put the rocket on it's side, level with the ground then I armed the altimeter. After it powered up and got to the re-cycling 3 beeps I placed a shop vac first to about 2 inches from the vent holes and turned it on. After letting it run for several seconds I turned it off, nothing. It was still doing the 3 beep thing. I moved the vac closer and closer repeating this procedure with the same result, nothing. I ended up with the vac right up to the side of the rocket with the same result. I repeated the same with the other altimeter with the exact same results. I read the owners manual (no mention of a "G switch") and it said that this thing only needs to sense a difference of 160 feet of altitude to arm itself. So what gives? Does anyone have a better Idea on how to ground test these things? Thanks! Cameron From sealtee at cableone.net Sun Jul 5 08:52:55 2009 From: sealtee at cableone.net (Cameron Tinder) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:52:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters In-Reply-To: <001201c9fd86$056f6040$104e20c0$@net> References: <000001c9fd18$0cbe2480$263a6d80$@net> <001201c9fd86$056f6040$104e20c0$@net> Message-ID: <000001c9fd88$a9f7aad0$fde70070$@net> Marty, Great food for thought, testing the alt outside of the rocket, who'da thunk it?! I'll get back to you on the results.. Thanks! Cameron -----Original Message----- From: Marty Weiser [mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:34 AM To: 'Cameron Tinder'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Cameron, I tested one last week. I have an acrylic plate that seals the top of a metal bowl with a small vacuum port for some aquarium tubing. I put the small Christmas tree bulbs on the channels and then suck on the aquarium tube to reduce the pressure and then let it leak into simulate descent. Both fired and I downloaded good data. The altimeter was flat on its back since the MAWD is strictly barometric. I think the problem you are having with your testing is leakage. Did you close off the other vent holes? How well sealed is the rest of the electronics bay? Also shop vacs are designed to move lots of air at a fairly small pressure differential. You might be better off to make small vacuum chamber (a food storage container or large mouth jar will work with a port in the top for some tubing). I recommend using the sucking method to reduce the pressure unless you have a good vacuum gauge and valving to control the vacuum since you don't want to go to too low a pressure. Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:27 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Is there anyone out there that has ground tested their MAWD altimeters? :?:Actually what I am looking for is someone that has successfully ground tested the MAWD altimeter. I have several times unsuccessfully tested two! Here is the deal. I have set up two NEW Perfectflite MAWD altimeters in a 5 inch rocket. I tested them one at a time with the same result. In both cases upon power up the proper mach and main settings are beeped out as was the last flights altitude. (In this case it was the altitudes from the factory.) Then in both cases I got the re-cycling 3 beeps telling me that both the apogee and main charged have continuity. Ok, here is where I'm having an issue. What I am trying to do is to create a "rapid decrease in pressure" to simulate a launch condition. What I decided to do was to put the rocket on it's side, level with the ground then I armed the altimeter. After it powered up and got to the re-cycling 3 beeps I placed a shop vac first to about 2 inches from the vent holes and turned it on. After letting it run for several seconds I turned it off, nothing. It was still doing the 3 beep thing. I moved the vac closer and closer repeating this procedure with the same result, nothing. I ended up with the vac right up to the side of the rocket with the same result. I repeated the same with the other altimeter with the exact same results. I read the owners manual (no mention of a "G switch") and it said that this thing only needs to sense a difference of 160 feet of altitude to arm itself. So what gives? Does anyone have a better Idea on how to ground test these things? Thanks! Cameron From scott at scottsrockets.com Sun Jul 5 09:54:44 2009 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:54:44 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters In-Reply-To: <000001c9fd88$a9f7aad0$fde70070$@net> References: <000001c9fd18$0cbe2480$263a6d80$@net><001201c9fd86$056f6040$104e20c0$@net> <000001c9fd88$a9f7aad0$fde70070$@net> Message-ID: <308129D8DF174718A53CDE596063B964@Mobile2> My Food Saver came with a little jar, works fantastic. You can buy the jars a Wally World if you already have a pump. If not tell your wife you wanna start buying meat in bulk so you need a Food Saver......(-; Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:53 AM To: 'Marty Weiser'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Marty, Great food for thought, testing the alt outside of the rocket, who'da thunk it?! I'll get back to you on the results.. Thanks! Cameron -----Original Message----- From: Marty Weiser [mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:34 AM To: 'Cameron Tinder'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Cameron, I tested one last week. I have an acrylic plate that seals the top of a metal bowl with a small vacuum port for some aquarium tubing. I put the small Christmas tree bulbs on the channels and then suck on the aquarium tube to reduce the pressure and then let it leak into simulate descent. Both fired and I downloaded good data. The altimeter was flat on its back since the MAWD is strictly barometric. I think the problem you are having with your testing is leakage. Did you close off the other vent holes? How well sealed is the rest of the electronics bay? Also shop vacs are designed to move lots of air at a fairly small pressure differential. You might be better off to make small vacuum chamber (a food storage container or large mouth jar will work with a port in the top for some tubing). I recommend using the sucking method to reduce the pressure unless you have a good vacuum gauge and valving to control the vacuum since you don't want to go to too low a pressure. Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:27 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Is there anyone out there that has ground tested their MAWD altimeters? :?:Actually what I am looking for is someone that has successfully ground tested the MAWD altimeter. I have several times unsuccessfully tested two! Here is the deal. I have set up two NEW Perfectflite MAWD altimeters in a 5 inch rocket. I tested them one at a time with the same result. In both cases upon power up the proper mach and main settings are beeped out as was the last flights altitude. (In this case it was the altitudes from the factory.) Then in both cases I got the re-cycling 3 beeps telling me that both the apogee and main charged have continuity. Ok, here is where I'm having an issue. What I am trying to do is to create a "rapid decrease in pressure" to simulate a launch condition. What I decided to do was to put the rocket on it's side, level with the ground then I armed the altimeter. After it powered up and got to the re-cycling 3 beeps I placed a shop vac first to about 2 inches from the vent holes and turned it on. After letting it run for several seconds I turned it off, nothing. It was still doing the 3 beep thing. I moved the vac closer and closer repeating this procedure with the same result, nothing. I ended up with the vac right up to the side of the rocket with the same result. I repeated the same with the other altimeter with the exact same results. I read the owners manual (no mention of a "G switch") and it said that this thing only needs to sense a difference of 160 feet of altitude to arm itself. So what gives? Does anyone have a better Idea on how to ground test these things? Thanks! Cameron _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From sealtee at cableone.net Sun Jul 5 11:14:59 2009 From: sealtee at cableone.net (Cameron Tinder) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:14:59 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters In-Reply-To: <308129D8DF174718A53CDE596063B964@Mobile2> References: <000001c9fd18$0cbe2480$263a6d80$@net><001201c9fd86$056f6040$104e20c0$@net> <000001c9fd88$a9f7aad0$fde70070$@net> <308129D8DF174718A53CDE596063B964@Mobile2> Message-ID: <000001c9fd9c$8237cbb0$86a76310$@net> Thanks Scott for your suggestion! I ended up using something similar and have just now successfully tested both MAWD altimeters! I took the electronics board out of the rocket and placed it into a modified almond jar from Costco. Some fittings, some tubing and some negative pressure supplied by your truly and wa-la! Both altimeters "fired" the Christmas bulbs! Ye-haw! The reason for wanting to test them inside the rocket was I wanted to "test" the ejection charges at the same time I tested the electronics, after all, it was the 4th of July! Once again thank you and thanks to all that supplied ideas! Hope to see you all this next weekend at Brothers! Cameron -----Original Message----- From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:55 AM To: 'Cameron Tinder'; 'Marty Weiser'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters My Food Saver came with a little jar, works fantastic. You can buy the jars a Wally World if you already have a pump. If not tell your wife you wanna start buying meat in bulk so you need a Food Saver......(-; Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:53 AM To: 'Marty Weiser'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Marty, Great food for thought, testing the alt outside of the rocket, who'da thunk it?! I'll get back to you on the results.. Thanks! Cameron -----Original Message----- From: Marty Weiser [mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:34 AM To: 'Cameron Tinder'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Cameron, I tested one last week. I have an acrylic plate that seals the top of a metal bowl with a small vacuum port for some aquarium tubing. I put the small Christmas tree bulbs on the channels and then suck on the aquarium tube to reduce the pressure and then let it leak into simulate descent. Both fired and I downloaded good data. The altimeter was flat on its back since the MAWD is strictly barometric. I think the problem you are having with your testing is leakage. Did you close off the other vent holes? How well sealed is the rest of the electronics bay? Also shop vacs are designed to move lots of air at a fairly small pressure differential. You might be better off to make small vacuum chamber (a food storage container or large mouth jar will work with a port in the top for some tubing). I recommend using the sucking method to reduce the pressure unless you have a good vacuum gauge and valving to control the vacuum since you don't want to go to too low a pressure. Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:27 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Is there anyone out there that has ground tested their MAWD altimeters? :?:Actually what I am looking for is someone that has successfully ground tested the MAWD altimeter. I have several times unsuccessfully tested two! Here is the deal. I have set up two NEW Perfectflite MAWD altimeters in a 5 inch rocket. I tested them one at a time with the same result. In both cases upon power up the proper mach and main settings are beeped out as was the last flights altitude. (In this case it was the altitudes from the factory.) Then in both cases I got the re-cycling 3 beeps telling me that both the apogee and main charged have continuity. Ok, here is where I'm having an issue. What I am trying to do is to create a "rapid decrease in pressure" to simulate a launch condition. What I decided to do was to put the rocket on it's side, level with the ground then I armed the altimeter. After it powered up and got to the re-cycling 3 beeps I placed a shop vac first to about 2 inches from the vent holes and turned it on. After letting it run for several seconds I turned it off, nothing. It was still doing the 3 beep thing. I moved the vac closer and closer repeating this procedure with the same result, nothing. I ended up with the vac right up to the side of the rocket with the same result. I repeated the same with the other altimeter with the exact same results. I read the owners manual (no mention of a "G switch") and it said that this thing only needs to sense a difference of 160 feet of altitude to arm itself. So what gives? Does anyone have a better Idea on how to ground test these things? Thanks! Cameron _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From absworld at cet.com Sun Jul 5 19:27:27 2009 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:27:27 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters In-Reply-To: <000001c9fd9c$8237cbb0$86a76310$@net> References: <000001c9fd18$0cbe2480$263a6d80$@net><001201c9fd86$056f6040$104e20c0$@net> <000001c9fd88$a9f7aad0$fde70070$@net> <308129D8DF174718A53CDE596063B964@Mobile2> <000001c9fd9c$8237cbb0$86a76310$@net> Message-ID: <008401c9fde1$4e06d7b0$ea148710$@com> If you download MAWD data and find 'spikes' at either eject event, you are leaking where you should wish you weren't. It is always a good idea to 'suck test' your electronics within the flight airframe. Assuming multiple vents on an AV bay, plug all but one as best possible, 'attach' a tube to that one vent and do your best to simulate fight parameters. Human lungs can do a decent job though sometimes tough to 'calibrate' ;-) I'm fresh from a flight where both primary and back-up apogee charges were insufficient. Nothing but dipcrap luck resulted in a tumble from 14K'+ at apogee to 1500' main deploy that worked just fine, prevented what 'should/could' have been a bucket recovery. Leaks is leaks and stuck is stuck buthey do need to B accounted for 4 consistent results. Success is in the details. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:15 AM To: 'Scott T Bowers'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Thanks Scott for your suggestion! I ended up using something similar and have just now successfully tested both MAWD altimeters! I took the electronics board out of the rocket and placed it into a modified almond jar from Costco. Some fittings, some tubing and some negative pressure supplied by your truly and wa-la! Both altimeters "fired" the Christmas bulbs! Ye-haw! The reason for wanting to test them inside the rocket was I wanted to "test" the ejection charges at the same time I tested the electronics, after all, it was the 4th of July! Once again thank you and thanks to all that supplied ideas! Hope to see you all this next weekend at Brothers! Cameron -----Original Message----- From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:55 AM To: 'Cameron Tinder'; 'Marty Weiser'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters My Food Saver came with a little jar, works fantastic. You can buy the jars a Wally World if you already have a pump. If not tell your wife you wanna start buying meat in bulk so you need a Food Saver......(-; Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:53 AM To: 'Marty Weiser'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Marty, Great food for thought, testing the alt outside of the rocket, who'da thunk it?! I'll get back to you on the results.. Thanks! Cameron -----Original Message----- From: Marty Weiser [mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:34 AM To: 'Cameron Tinder'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Cameron, I tested one last week. I have an acrylic plate that seals the top of a metal bowl with a small vacuum port for some aquarium tubing. I put the small Christmas tree bulbs on the channels and then suck on the aquarium tube to reduce the pressure and then let it leak into simulate descent. Both fired and I downloaded good data. The altimeter was flat on its back since the MAWD is strictly barometric. I think the problem you are having with your testing is leakage. Did you close off the other vent holes? How well sealed is the rest of the electronics bay? Also shop vacs are designed to move lots of air at a fairly small pressure differential. You might be better off to make small vacuum chamber (a food storage container or large mouth jar will work with a port in the top for some tubing). I recommend using the sucking method to reduce the pressure unless you have a good vacuum gauge and valving to control the vacuum since you don't want to go to too low a pressure. Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:27 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Is there anyone out there that has ground tested their MAWD altimeters? :?:Actually what I am looking for is someone that has successfully ground tested the MAWD altimeter. I have several times unsuccessfully tested two! Here is the deal. I have set up two NEW Perfectflite MAWD altimeters in a 5 inch rocket. I tested them one at a time with the same result. In both cases upon power up the proper mach and main settings are beeped out as was the last flights altitude. (In this case it was the altitudes from the factory.) Then in both cases I got the re-cycling 3 beeps telling me that both the apogee and main charged have continuity. Ok, here is where I'm having an issue. What I am trying to do is to create a "rapid decrease in pressure" to simulate a launch condition. What I decided to do was to put the rocket on it's side, level with the ground then I armed the altimeter. After it powered up and got to the re-cycling 3 beeps I placed a shop vac first to about 2 inches from the vent holes and turned it on. After letting it run for several seconds I turned it off, nothing. It was still doing the 3 beep thing. I moved the vac closer and closer repeating this procedure with the same result, nothing. I ended up with the vac right up to the side of the rocket with the same result. I repeated the same with the other altimeter with the exact same results. I read the owners manual (no mention of a "G switch") and it said that this thing only needs to sense a difference of 160 feet of altitude to arm itself. So what gives? Does anyone have a better Idea on how to ground test these things? Thanks! Cameron _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.5/2219 - Release Date: 07/05/09 05:53:00 From scott at scottsrockets.com Sun Jul 5 19:33:10 2009 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:33:10 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters In-Reply-To: <008401c9fde1$4e06d7b0$ea148710$@com> References: <000001c9fd18$0cbe2480$263a6d80$@net><001201c9fd86$056f6040$104e20c0$@net> <000001c9fd88$a9f7aad0$fde70070$@net> <308129D8DF174718A53CDE596063B964@Mobile2> <000001c9fd9c$8237cbb0$86a76310$@net> <008401c9fde1$4e06d7b0$ea148710$@com> Message-ID: Just put a bigger charge in it, rocket with report......(-; Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob & Ann Yanecek [mailto:absworld at cet.com] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 7:27 PM To: 'Cameron Tinder'; 'Scott T Bowers'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters If you download MAWD data and find 'spikes' at either eject event, you are leaking where you should wish you weren't. It is always a good idea to 'suck test' your electronics within the flight airframe. Assuming multiple vents on an AV bay, plug all but one as best possible, 'attach' a tube to that one vent and do your best to simulate fight parameters. Human lungs can do a decent job though sometimes tough to 'calibrate' ;-) I'm fresh from a flight where both primary and back-up apogee charges were insufficient. Nothing but dipcrap luck resulted in a tumble from 14K'+ at apogee to 1500' main deploy that worked just fine, prevented what 'should/could' have been a bucket recovery. Leaks is leaks and stuck is stuck buthey do need to B accounted for 4 consistent results. Success is in the details. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:15 AM To: 'Scott T Bowers'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Thanks Scott for your suggestion! I ended up using something similar and have just now successfully tested both MAWD altimeters! I took the electronics board out of the rocket and placed it into a modified almond jar from Costco. Some fittings, some tubing and some negative pressure supplied by your truly and wa-la! Both altimeters "fired" the Christmas bulbs! Ye-haw! The reason for wanting to test them inside the rocket was I wanted to "test" the ejection charges at the same time I tested the electronics, after all, it was the 4th of July! Once again thank you and thanks to all that supplied ideas! Hope to see you all this next weekend at Brothers! Cameron -----Original Message----- From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:55 AM To: 'Cameron Tinder'; 'Marty Weiser'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters My Food Saver came with a little jar, works fantastic. You can buy the jars a Wally World if you already have a pump. If not tell your wife you wanna start buying meat in bulk so you need a Food Saver......(-; Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:53 AM To: 'Marty Weiser'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Marty, Great food for thought, testing the alt outside of the rocket, who'da thunk it?! I'll get back to you on the results.. Thanks! Cameron -----Original Message----- From: Marty Weiser [mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:34 AM To: 'Cameron Tinder'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Cameron, I tested one last week. I have an acrylic plate that seals the top of a metal bowl with a small vacuum port for some aquarium tubing. I put the small Christmas tree bulbs on the channels and then suck on the aquarium tube to reduce the pressure and then let it leak into simulate descent. Both fired and I downloaded good data. The altimeter was flat on its back since the MAWD is strictly barometric. I think the problem you are having with your testing is leakage. Did you close off the other vent holes? How well sealed is the rest of the electronics bay? Also shop vacs are designed to move lots of air at a fairly small pressure differential. You might be better off to make small vacuum chamber (a food storage container or large mouth jar will work with a port in the top for some tubing). I recommend using the sucking method to reduce the pressure unless you have a good vacuum gauge and valving to control the vacuum since you don't want to go to too low a pressure. Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:27 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Is there anyone out there that has ground tested their MAWD altimeters? :?:Actually what I am looking for is someone that has successfully ground tested the MAWD altimeter. I have several times unsuccessfully tested two! Here is the deal. I have set up two NEW Perfectflite MAWD altimeters in a 5 inch rocket. I tested them one at a time with the same result. In both cases upon power up the proper mach and main settings are beeped out as was the last flights altitude. (In this case it was the altitudes from the factory.) Then in both cases I got the re-cycling 3 beeps telling me that both the apogee and main charged have continuity. Ok, here is where I'm having an issue. What I am trying to do is to create a "rapid decrease in pressure" to simulate a launch condition. What I decided to do was to put the rocket on it's side, level with the ground then I armed the altimeter. After it powered up and got to the re-cycling 3 beeps I placed a shop vac first to about 2 inches from the vent holes and turned it on. After letting it run for several seconds I turned it off, nothing. It was still doing the 3 beep thing. I moved the vac closer and closer repeating this procedure with the same result, nothing. I ended up with the vac right up to the side of the rocket with the same result. I repeated the same with the other altimeter with the exact same results. I read the owners manual (no mention of a "G switch") and it said that this thing only needs to sense a difference of 160 feet of altitude to arm itself. So what gives? Does anyone have a better Idea on how to ground test these things? Thanks! Cameron _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From keithp at keithp.com Sun Jul 5 21:00:24 2009 From: keithp at keithp.com (Keith Packard) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:00:24 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC July 5 model launch report Message-ID: <1246852824.18182.41.camel@aiko.keithp.com> Another great model rocket launch in Wilsonville today. The weather was warm and dry, although there were high clouds all day. No rockets went that high though. It was also a bit windy; we had a few launches that were held for high gusts. Thanks again to Tim Ryerse for coming out to help set up and run the launch. All of the equipment worked great, although we missed having Robert's PA system again. Looks like we'll just need to go get one for this event. Mary Anne Ryerse continues to show us how its done -- she brought cupcakes decorated for the holiday and flew several successful rocket flights. She spent about half an hour looking for one over the tree line only to have a helpful park visitor bring it back to the flight line. Tim and I cooked up a contest this month -- first one to land a rocket on a big blue tarp would win a new rocket kit. Unfortunately, the wind wasn't cooperating with this plan, and no-one managed to land a rocket on the tarp all day. Ryan Fauser managed to land the closest and chose a two stage kit for his prize. We'll need to brainstorm about what kinds of contests would work for this launch; the tarp launch might have been OK in calm winds, but not today. The usual statistics: Launches: 66 Successful flights: 57 Flyers: 19 Rockets: 45 Most Flights: 8 Gary Harris Biggest Motor: F40-7 Jack Caynon I'm thinking the saucer drag race may need to become a traditional part of this launch -- lots of smoke and noise, and no lost rockets. Steve Tarr even wore his 'no parachutes' shirt today, setting an appropriate tone (although he did fly his Acme Spitfire, and it did ride down on a chute). The park was quieter this weekend than in May; by 4:00, we had the whole place to ourselves, except for a few dogs chasing frisbees. The wind was a bit gusty today; we lost one rocket to the trees on the east end of the park, and one to the west (weather cocking *and* recovery failure). I've got a complete flight log here for those interested in precisely what was flown. Thanks to everyone who attended, and I hope to see you all at future rocket launches. Future Memorial park model lauch schedule: Sunday August 9th 2-5 Sunday October 11th 2-5 Saturday November 14 12-3 In September, please come out to the Oregon Rocketry launch down in Sheridan on the 12th and 13th. -- keith.packard at intel.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20090705/25c175c6/attachment.pgp From sb at berfield.com Sun Jul 5 21:10:54 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:10:54 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Message-ID: I used a mason jar and a hand vacuum pump (I think they are used to do somethign with car brakes?). -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Tinder [mailto:sealtee at cableone.net] Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 07:26 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Is there anyone out there that has ground tested their MAWD altimeters? :?:Actually what I am looking for is someone that has successfully ground tested the MAWD altimeter. I have several times unsuccessfully tested two! Here is the deal. I have set up two NEW Perfectflite MAWD altimeters in a 5 inch rocket. I tested them one at a time with the same result. In both cases upon power up the proper mach and main settings are beeped out as was the last flights altitude. (In this case it was the altitudes from the factory.) Then in both cases I got the re-cycling 3 beeps telling me that both the apogee and main charged have continuity. Ok, here is where I'm having an issue. What I am trying to do is to create a "rapid decrease in pressure" to simulate a launch condition. What I decided to do was to put the rocket on it's side, level with the ground then I armed the altimeter. After it powered up and got to the re-cycling 3 beeps I placed a shop vac first to about 2 inches from the vent holes and turned it on. After letting it run for several seconds I turned it off, nothing. It was still doing the 3 beep thing. I moved the vac closer and closer repeating this procedure with the same result, nothing. I ended up with the vac right up to the side of the rocket with the same result. I repeated the same with the other altimeter with the exact same results. I read the owners manual (no mention of a "G switch") and it said that this thing only needs to sense a difference of 160 feet of altitude to arm itself. So what gives? Does anyone have a better Idea on how to ground test these things? Thanks! Cameron -------------- next part -------------- I used a mason jar and a hand vacuum pump (I think they are used to do somethign with car brakes?). -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Tinder [mailto:sealtee at cableone.net] Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 07:26 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground testing MAWD altimeters Is there anyone out there that has ground tested their MAWD altimeters? :?:Actually what I am looking for is someone that has successfully ground tested the MAWD altimeter. I have several times unsuccessfully tested two! Here is the deal. I have set up two NEW Perfectflite MAWD altimeters in a 5 inch rocket. I tested them one at a time with the same result. In both cases upon power up the proper mach and main settings are beeped out as was the last flights altitude. (In this case it was the altitudes from the factory.) Then in both cases I got the re-cycling 3 beeps telling me that both the apogee and main charged have continuity. Ok, here is where I'm having an issue. What I am trying to do is to create a "rapid decrease in pressure" to simulate a launch condition. What I decided to do was to put the rocket on it's side, level with the ground then I armed the altimeter. After it powered up and got to the re-cycling 3 beeps I placed a shop vac first to about 2 inches from the vent holes and turned it on. After letting it run for several seconds I turned it off, nothing. It was still doing the 3 beep thing. I moved the vac closer and closer repeating this procedure with the same result, nothing. I ended up with the vac right up to the side of the rocket with the same result. I repeated the same with the other altimeter with the exact same results. I read the owners manual (no mention of a "G switch") and it said that this thing only needs to sense a difference of 160 feet of altitude to arm itself. So what gives? Does anyone have a better Idea on how to ground test these things? Thanks! Cameron -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 643 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20090706/87188459/attachment-0001.gif From keithp at keithp.com Sun Jul 5 21:55:56 2009 From: keithp at keithp.com (Keith Packard) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:55:56 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] OROC July 5 model launch report In-Reply-To: <8CBCC07BBE9F8D3-DD4-4629@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> References: <1246852824.18182.41.camel@aiko.keithp.com> <8CBCC07BBE9F8D3-DD4-4629@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1246856157.18182.45.camel@aiko.keithp.com> On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 00:16 -0400, Stefan Jones wrote: > Thanks to all who helped put the launch together. It is is great having > a close-in field for the small stuff. We've been having a blast running the launches and seeing all of the fun rockets people are building at these smaller sizes. > I launched everything I brought, and despite the high winds didn't lose > anything. Thanks for coming out to play today! Hope you can make it out next month too. -- keith.packard at intel.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20090705/eef60c54/attachment.pgp From melamy at earthlink.net Mon Jul 6 12:20:32 2009 From: melamy at earthlink.net (melamy at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Paging Tim Schmoker Message-ID: <8635877.1246908032673.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Tim, please give me a call at 206-794-1881 regarding Brothers. Thanks. best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- >From: melamy at earthlink.net >Sent: Jun 30, 2009 4:55 PM >To: NW Rocketry mailing list >Subject: [RocketsNW] looking for ride from Seattle to Brothers July 11th weekend > >I have some test rocket flights I would like to make, so I am looking for a way to get from Seattle down to Brothers for the July launch. As before, I will assist with gas and I am reasonably talkative or quiet as needed. Other methods of bribery would be considered. > >I am currently working on a flight controller that will handle air starts, two stage, apogee, and dual deployment that I want to use for my L3 that I want to accomplish in 2010 at XPRS. Any help getting me to launches would be greatly appreciated. I would drive, but ankle and knee injuries prevent me from doing long distances behind the wheel (being a passenger is hard enough). > >Thanks! > >best regards, Steve Thatcher >_______________________________________________ >Rockets mailing list >Rockets at rocketsnw.com >http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Mon Jul 6 13:55:41 2009 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (steve-c at ix.netcom.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:55:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [RocketsNW] Paging Dave-W from PSP Message-ID: <26263420.1246913741720.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dave - please give me a shout off-list. I want to ask you about the thermistor (?) based NOX fill-detect circuit you have employed in your SkyRipper GSE - I'm looking to incorporate a similar feature to my GSE for the Hypertek motor system. If any hybrid enthusiast on this list knows what I'm talking about, please chime in. These aging eyes aren't what they used to be for discriminating between gaseous and liquid NOX vent plumes - having such an electronic aid is the way to go. Thanks. /Steve From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Mon Jul 6 20:58:01 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] LDRS, Day Three In-Reply-To: <070520090153.5420.4A5007850008817E0000152C22243651029B0A02D29B9B0EBF0 404010BD206D29B@att.net> References: <070520090153.5420.4A5007850008817E0000152C22243651029B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Message-ID: <40c3d21856fd2dd58371d0df47951a5a.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Two words: Beeline GPS :) Congrats on the cert! +McG+ > Short Story - Level 2 Cert Attempt > > Saturday dawned cloudy and WINDY. The forecast had called for lesser > winds today (relative to yesterday), but they were wrong - there was a > strong wind from the west all day (of course, the winds died down a bit > after the range closed at 6:00pm). > > My focus today was the Level 2 Cert flight of that big SHR Saturn V - I'd > worry about what else I wanted to fly after that was out of the way. > > As I started to assemble the J275W motor I quickly realized that > apparently Level 2 motors don't include igniters or ejection charges, so > it was off to vendor row to address those shortcomings. The motor went > together, and I carefully prepped the rocket itself. > > I headed to the RSO to for the pre-flight check - even at LDRS walking > around with a 7.5 ft. Saturn on your shoulder draws a lot of attention. I > wanted to make sure I had an 8 ft. rail (even with a J275W, Rocksim said > it wouldn't be stable until a few inches before it left an 8 ft. rail), so > there was a short wait until the appropriate rail become available. As I > placed the rocket on the pad and inserted the igniter, I was the center of > attention - lots of photos and a video interview with Rockets Magazine. I > knew I was nervous, but how nervous became apparent when I watched my > hands shake as I hooked up the igniter... > > I was worried that, with the strong wind, it might weathercock off the > rod, but liftoff was magnificent with a slow (by mod-rock standards) > majestic boost that was nearly straight up to what looked close to the > Rocksim predicted 1600 ft. Motor ejection was right at apogee, and a > moment later both 'chutes opened to a round of applause. I figured I was > home free. > > Wrong..... > > While the lower part of the Saturn descended nicely, the upper portion > caught a thermal and started drifting. I never thought I'd worry about 4 > pounds of rocket not coming down on a 60 inch parachute, but it simply did > not descend - at times appearing to actually rise! It drifted so far I > lost sight of it before it came down. I knew I had to try, but with > little more than a general area where I thought it came down, I was not > optimistic that I would ever see it again. If someone had ask me to list > everything that might have gone wrong on my cert flight, I would never > have even considered loosing the rocket - but suddenly that was a very > real possibility. > > After recovering the lower portion, there was a road leading to the area > where I thought the top came down so I took the car and headed over. 90 > minutes later I'd found two lost high power rockets, but not the one I was > looking for. I headed back to the range, hoping against hope that the > karma of the two rockets I was returning with would mean someone else had > found mine, but no joy. I was seriously bummed - not only was my rocket > lost, a quick check confirmed it would mean I'd failed my Cert flight. > > If I learned anything from recovering rockets, it's that they are nearly > always further away than you think. Having 'been there', I looked back at > the lay of where I'd been looking, and decided to try again, even further > out (where there was another road). Problem was, there were large areas > of trees, and much of the open area was either corn crop or tall scrub - > finding my Saturn would take luck, a lot of it. > > Two hours later I was giving up - the rocket had launched a few minutes > after noon - it was now 4:30pm and the outlook was worse than grim. But I > figure never walk the same ground, so I took a different route back up the > hill to where I'd left the car. Then in an instant my bad day turned in > to a great day - there it was - laying between a corn field and a line of > trees. Pure dumb luck (or perhaps some divine intervention - I'd said a > few prayers during the search). It had landed in a corn field, but the > wind had dragged it at least 100 ft. across the field to the tree line > (knocking the escape tower off in the process, but tracking back through > the knocked down corn I was able to find the missing tower). It seemed to > take forever to get back to the launch area - but on arrival I quickly > assembled the witnesses who promptly agreed that this was a successful > flight and signed off my paperwork. So I'm now officially Level 2 > Certified - WhoHoo! > > At the launch site, someone had a large blowup of a Google aerial view of > the launch area, with circles marking the distance from the launch pads. > Where I found the upper portion of my Saturn was almost exactly on the 3 > mile circle - after a flight to ~ 1,600 ft. > > A tough way to do it, but I'm not complaining. > > BTW, I'm done flying - Sunday/Monday are Tripoli research only. So Sunday > I'm planning to head to Watkins Glen for the Indy Car race - Monday I'll > go back out to spectate and help if needed. > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From bigrockets at verizon.net Mon Jul 6 22:35:34 2009 From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:35:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Sono Tubes Message-ID: <000001c9fec4$c0aa9660$41ffc320$@net> Some time ago I saw something somewhere about removing the outer skin on a sono tube before fiberglassing it? Is this necessary? Anyone have any experience with big 12-14" tubes? I'm thinking of getting my Hawk XMIM-23A started. I got sono tubes buring a hole in my pocket. Dave Proffitt -------------- next part -------------- cid:image001.jpg at 01C9FE8A.137CFCB0 Some time ago I saw something somewhere about removing the outer skin on a sono tube before fiberglassing it? Is this necessary? Anyone have any experience with big 12-14??? tubes? I???m thinking of getting my Hawk XMIM-23A started. I got sono tubes buring a hole in my pocket. ? Dave Proffitt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2257 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20090706/7bbef939/attachment.obj From lsagan123 at msn.com Mon Jul 6 23:05:28 2009 From: lsagan123 at msn.com (Sareth Tes) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:05:28 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Sono Tubes In-Reply-To: <000001c9fec4$c0aa9660$41ffc320$@net> References: <000001c9fec4$c0aa9660$41ffc320$@net> Message-ID: Mighty Big Pockets! The Sono tube i have seen at the local Home Depot do not appear to have a glassine type coating but it makes sense that they would have something for the branding ink to stick to. i do not know if you need to peel but a good rough sanding can't go amiss. > From: bigrockets at verizon.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:35:34 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Sono Tubes > > > > Some time ago I saw something somewhere about removing the outer skin on a > sono tube before fiberglassing it? Is this necessary? Anyone have any > experience with big 12-14" tubes? I'm thinking of getting my Hawk XMIM-23A > started. I got sono tubes buring a hole in my pocket. > > > > Dave Proffitt > -------------- next part -------------- Mighty Big Pockets! ? The Sono tube i have seen at the local Home Depot do not appear to have a glassine type coating but it makes sense that they would have something for the branding ink to stick to. i do not know if you need to peel but a good rough sanding can't go amiss. ? ? > From: bigrockets at verizon.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:35:34 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Sono Tubes > > > > Some time ago I saw something somewhere about removing the outer skin on a > sono tube before fiberglassing it? Is this necessary? Anyone have any > experience with big 12-14" tubes? I'm thinking of getting my Hawk XMIM-23A > started. I got sono tubes buring a hole in my pocket. > > > > Dave Proffitt > From appusher at q.com Mon Jul 6 23:39:10 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:39:10 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Paging Dave-W from PSP In-Reply-To: <26263420.1246913741720.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <26263420.1246913741720.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Steve this is Bill. Try the link below for the info on the vent sensor we have. Bill http://marsclub.org/new1/Member_Pages/JD_s/VENT_SENSOR/vent_sensor.html EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:55:41 -0700 > From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Paging Dave-W from PSP > > Dave - please give me a shout off-list. I want to ask you about the thermistor (?) based NOX fill-detect circuit you have employed in your SkyRipper GSE - I'm looking to incorporate a similar feature to my GSE for the Hypertek motor system. > > If any hybrid enthusiast on this list knows what I'm talking about, please chime in. These aging eyes aren't what they used to be for discriminating between gaseous and liquid NOX vent plumes - having such an electronic aid is the way to go. Thanks. /Steve > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -------------- next part -------------- Steve this is Bill.? Try the link below for the info on the vent sensor we have. ? ? Bill http://marsclub.org/new1/Member_Pages/JD_s/VENT_SENSOR/vent_sensor.html http://marsclub.org/new1/Member_Pages/JD_s/VENT_SENSOR/vent_sensor.html http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ? > Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:55:41 -0700 > From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Paging Dave-W from PSP > > Dave - please give me a shout off-list. I want to ask you about the thermistor (?) based NOX fill-detect circuit you have employed in your SkyRipper GSE - I'm looking to incorporate a similar feature to my GSE for the Hypertek motor system. > > If any hybrid enthusiast on this list knows what I'm talking about, please chime in. These aging eyes aren't what they used to be for discriminating between gaseous and liquid NOX vent plumes - having such an electronic aid is the way to go. Thanks. /Steve > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From dmrandall at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 07:45:05 2009 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:45:05 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Sono Tubes In-Reply-To: References: <000001c9fec4$c0aa9660$41ffc320$@net> Message-ID: <6bc920e40907070745j53bb97bev97c6bce8fdda6aef@mail.gmail.com> Dave, For my groups U4EA sono-tube based project (12" dia, 22' tall) - we chose not to fiberglass the outside of the rocket. We used an 'inner skeleton' instead for strength. We used centering rings with 6" phenolic tubing to provide additional rigidity. There is a wax coating on the inside of the sonotubes that we removed for better epoxy adhesion. It peels off really easily and comes off in a thin single ply quite nicely. One reason I could see for removing the outer skin of the sonotube is to get rid of the ridges where the wound paper overlaps - but sanding would likely take those down and help prepare the surface for fiberglassing at the same time. Dave On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Sareth Tes wrote: > Mighty Big Pockets! > > The Sono tube i have seen at the local Home Depot do not appear to have a glassine type coating but it makes sense that they would have something for the branding ink to stick to. i do not know if you need to peel but a good rough sanding can't go amiss. > > >> From: bigrockets at verizon.net >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:35:34 -0700 >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Sono Tubes >> >> >> >> Some time ago I saw something somewhere about removing the outer skin on a >> sono tube before fiberglassing it? Is this necessary? Anyone have any >> experience with big 12-14" tubes? I'm thinking of getting my Hawk XMIM-23A >> started. I got sono tubes buring a hole in my pocket. >> >> >> >> Dave Proffitt >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 7 08:03:12 2009 From: jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com (Jack Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:03:12 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] Sono Tubes In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40907070745j53bb97bev97c6bce8fdda6aef@mail.gmail.com> References: <000001c9fec4$c0aa9660$41ffc320$@net> <6bc920e40907070745j53bb97bev97c6bce8fdda6aef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I made my Level 3 rocket out of 7.5" Sono Tubes. I put 2 layers of fiber glass right on the out side with out any prep and it has held up fine for a dozen or so flights so far. I did peal of the wax coating on the inside before installing the centering rings couplers bulk heads etc. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Randall" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:45 AM To: "Sareth Tes" Cc: Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Sono Tubes > Dave, > > For my groups U4EA sono-tube based project (12" dia, 22' tall) - we > chose not to fiberglass the outside of the rocket. We used an 'inner > skeleton' instead for strength. We used centering rings with 6" > phenolic tubing to provide additional rigidity. > > There is a wax coating on the inside of the sonotubes that we removed > for better epoxy adhesion. It peels off really easily and comes off > in a thin single ply quite nicely. > > One reason I could see for removing the outer skin of the sonotube is > to get rid of the ridges where the wound paper overlaps - but sanding > would likely take those down and help prepare the surface for > fiberglassing at the same time. > > Dave > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Sareth Tes wrote: >> Mighty Big Pockets! >> >> The Sono tube i have seen at the local Home Depot do not appear to have a >> glassine type coating but it makes sense that they would have something >> for the branding ink to stick to. i do not know if you need to peel but a >> good rough sanding can't go amiss. >> >> >>> From: bigrockets at verizon.net >>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:35:34 -0700 >>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Sono Tubes >>> >>> >>> >>> Some time ago I saw something somewhere about removing the outer skin on >>> a >>> sono tube before fiberglassing it? Is this necessary? Anyone have any >>> experience with big 12-14" tubes? I'm thinking of getting my Hawk >>> XMIM-23A >>> started. I got sono tubes buring a hole in my pocket. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave Proffitt >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > > > -- > - Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From winningstad at comcast.net Tue Jul 7 09:45:11 2009 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:45:11 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] FYI Message-ID: <756BD77105A548648DA999976F511863@downstair> 4 sale: 2ea SU H124-10FJ 29mm motors. 20$ ea OBO Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 It is bad luck to be superstitious. -------------- next part -------------- 4 sale: 2ea SU H124-10FJ 29mm motors.? 20$ ea OBO ? Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 ? It is bad luck to be superstitious. ? From melamy at earthlink.net Tue Jul 7 10:32:33 2009 From: melamy at earthlink.net (melamy at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Bend Launch this weekend Message-ID: <6491108.1246987953651.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have a ride down to the launch this weekend - hooray! (thanks Tim!). Tim is camping out and I need to hotel it, so I am looking for a ride to and from Bend Saturday morning, back to Bend that evening and then back out to Brothers Sunday morning. I would rather not ask Tim to chauffer me back and forth Saturday and Sunday if at all possible. Most of my launch stuff will be at Brothers, so it will be just me and backpack. If anyone has a specific hotel they are at, I will attempt to make reservations there to make things easier. Thanks! best regards, Steve Thatcher From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Jul 7 10:02:23 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:02:23 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Summer Thunder Rocket Launch 26JUL09/1000-1800, 60 Acres Park Message-ID: <4A537F9F.9070106@earthlink.net> Launch Name: Summer Thunder Location: 60 Acres Park Date: 26 July 2009 Time: 10:00AM to 6:00PM The Summer Thunder rocket launch, hosted by no one in particular, will be held at 60 Acres Park in Redmond, Washington. Launch operations will commence on Sunday, 26 July 2009 at 10:00AM and conclude around 6:00PM I'd like to encourage all rocketeers in the Seattle area to attend this launch. Several people will be bringing their own launch pads and launch controllers to the launch site as the non-existent launch host has none to provide. Fly your rocket!! All rockets from 1/4A to H power are welcome. Regardless of motor, you must ensure your rocket can land within the confines of the park. Spot landings are encouraged! This launch allows only FAA "Class 1" rockets - up to 125g of propellant, and max rocket weight of 1,500 grams (3.3 lbs) Win a prize!! Roadside Hobbies is sponsoring a boost glider contest. Four prizes will be awarded to the following achievements. 1) The best decorated boost glider, 2) 13mm motor duration, 3) 18mm motor duration using A motors, and 4) 18mm motor duration using B motors. The best decorated model will be determined by the rocketeers who attend. Fly your model as many times as you want and submit your best time. We will need volunteers with good eye sight and stop watches. We will also need binoculars for tracking in case a some models decide to thermal away. Buy rockets and motors! Roadside Hobbies will also be the vendor on site selling rocket kits and motors. If you looking for something in particular before the launch you can contact them at fred_bare at yahoo.com. Fly Safely!! Flying safely is critical to our continued access to the field. Please refrain from landsharking, cruisemissling, lawndarting, and coresampling. Anyone flying for the first time is more than welcome to present their rocket to one of the seasoned rocketeers for a safety inspection. 60 Acres Park is located in the very beautiful, scenic, and sunny metropolis of Redmond, Washington and is very easy to find. If your rocket needs directions to the launch site please enter this address below into Google Earth or other mapping website or software. 15200 NE 116th Street, Remond, WA 98052. The park is split in half by NE 116th street. Launch and recovery operations will be conducted on the north side of the field with parking available. For more info go to http://www.60acres.org/ . When you leave the launch site please be sure to take all of your belongings and trash. If you leave anything, please be sure it's something we'd like to have. Even though there are garbage containers on the field, they don't get emptied on a regular basis. A flyer for the launch has been created in PDF format by Dave Randall that you can download, print and post at your local hobby shop or place of work. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Summer%20Thunder%20launch%20flyer.pdf See you at the launch! From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 15:44:47 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:44:47 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Build & Fly Rocket Events @ Hillsboro Hobby Shop Message-ID: Interested in building a model rocket or two? Got family and neighbors that have kids that might be interested in building and flying some rockets? Hillsboro Hobby Shop AND OregonRocketry are proud to present the: The second annual "Build and Fly" events will be held at Hillsboro Hobby Shop on August 1st and September 5th. Invite friends, family members, and kids to join us at one or both events. From 12:00pm to 3:00pm on Saturday August 1st and Saturday September 5th. Show up with your group and purchase some rockets from Hillsboro Hobby Shop. Then spend time with all of us in their back room building them. The store with provide glue and other building tools. Hillsboro Hobby Shop has a great selection of model rockets, something for everyone. This is a fun event. Lots of rocket talk, building of rockets, and sharing knowledge of rocketry and building techniques. Spread the word. Let others know, forward this along. RSVP Please Call or Visit: If you plan to attend a build event, please contact Hillsboro Hobby Shop (ask to be added to the sign-up sheet) Hillsboro Hobby Shop 345 E Main Street Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)-648-3788 Now this is a Build and Fly event. The fly part come each of the following weekends. If you're going to fly at one of the launch events below, do not forget some motors. Build your rocket August 1st @ Hillsboro Hobby Shop and then fly your rocket: Sunday August 9th - 3:00pm to 5:00pm OregonRocketry Model Rocket Launch at Wilsonville Memorial Park Build your rocket September 5th @ Hillsboro Hobby Shop and then fly your rocket: Saturday September 12th from 8:00 am to 10:00 pm and Sunday September 13th from 8:00 am to 3:00 pm OregonRocketry largest launch event of the year at Sheridan More information about OregonRocketry launches and directions at www.oregonrocketry.com. Cheers, Robert OROC President -------------- next part -------------- Interested in building a model rocket or two? Got family and neighbors that have kids that might be interested in building and flying some rockets? ? Hillsboro Hobby Shop AND OregonRocketry are proud to present the: ? The second annual "Build and Fly" events will be held at Hillsboro Hobby Shop on August 1st and September 5th. Invite friends, family members, and kids to join us at one or both events. From 12:00pm to 3:00pm on Saturday August 1st and Saturday September 5th. Show up with your group and purchase some rockets from Hillsboro Hobby Shop. Then spend time with all of us in their back room building them. The store with provide glue and other building tools. Hillsboro Hobby Shop has a great selection of model rockets, something for everyone. This is a fun event. Lots of rocket talk, building of rockets, and sharing?knowledge of rocketry and building techniques. ? Spread the word. Let others know, forward this along. ? RSVP Please Call or Visit: If you plan to attend a build event, please contact Hillsboro Hobby Shop (ask to be added to the sign-up sheet) Hillsboro Hobby Shop 345 E Main Street Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)-648-3788 ? Now this is a Build and Fly event. The fly part come each of the following weekends. If you're going to fly at one of the launch events below, do not forget some motors. ? Build your rocket August 1st @ Hillsboro Hobby Shop and then fly your rocket: Sunday August 9th - 3:00pm to 5:00pm OregonRocketry Model Rocket Launch at Wilsonville Memorial Park ? Build your rocket September 5th @ Hillsboro Hobby Shop and then fly your rocket: Saturday September 12th from 8:00 am to 10:00 pm and Sunday September 13th from 8:00 am to 3:00 pm OregonRocketry largest launch event of the year?at Sheridan ? More information about OregonRocketry launches and directions at http://www.oregonrocketry.com www.oregonrocketry.com . ? Cheers, Robert OROC President ? ? ? ? From winningstad at comcast.net Tue Jul 7 16:13:42 2009 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:13:42 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SOLD Message-ID: The SU motors are sold.thank you RNW! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 It is bad luck to be superstitious. -------------- next part -------------- The SU motors are sold???thank you RNW! ? Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 ? It is bad luck to be superstitious. ? From Mfreptiles at aol.com Tue Jul 7 17:08:58 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:08:58 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Going to Brothers launch? Message-ID: Just wondering if someone might be able to do me a favor and drop by Salem on their way down. I've got a small restock order for Bob at Sunriver and I'm not able to attend. Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585089x1201462806/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- Just wondering if someone might be able to do me a favor and drop by Salem on their way down.? I've got a small restock order for Bob at Sunriver and I'm not able to attend. ? Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585089x1201462806/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From Mfreptiles at aol.com Tue Jul 7 19:50:20 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:50:20 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Going to Brothers launch? Message-ID: Jack Caynon has got it covered. Thanks everybody! Mike In a message dated 7/7/2009 5:09:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Mfreptiles at aol.com writes: Just wondering if someone might be able to do me a favor and drop by Salem on their way down. I've got a small restock order for Bob at Sunriver and I'm not able to attend. Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585089x1201462806/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) Just wondering if someone might be able to do me a favor and drop by Salem on their way down. I've got a small restock order for Bob at Sunriver and I'm not able to attend. Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585089x1201462806/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.a spx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! 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Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585089x1201462806/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585089x1201462806/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From D1brown at NNU.Edu Wed Jul 8 13:08:22 2009 From: D1brown at NNU.Edu (Dale Brown) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:08:22 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor Mixing at Brothers Message-ID: <4A54A854020000A700037F2E@yatta.nnu.edu> I am looking to get into experimental rocketry for a university project, and have been told by a few people that I should get an introduction to motor mixing in person. Is there anyone who is mixing their experimental motors at Brothers this weekend who would be willing to show me the ropes? I am a senior chemistry major, so I am very experienced around hazardous chemicals. Any help would be greatly appreciated. - Dale Brown From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Thu Jul 9 02:23:05 2009 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 02:23:05 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Weekend Launch........ Message-ID: Greetings all, Our plan is to have the store open Saturday until 6pm, then again on Sunday. I am hoping that our Aerotech's latest order and our back order from May arrives by Friday. Our CTI order will not make it in time. We still have good stock of most motors, but still waiting for more!!! Look forward to seeing you all soon Bob Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Thu Jul 9 17:52:56 2009 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:52:56 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch Update........... Message-ID: Greeting fellow rocketeers....... So, interesting day in rocketry world. Show up to work today, and there is a big box of motors! That's the good news! Bad news, also a new price list. It looks like the 10% dealer surcharge, is now a 10% increase on retail price of reloads! Not sure how that will effect you, but another good reason to join the frequent flyer club, which of course is free......... stop by and say hi this weekend...... Bob Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory From bigredbee at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 17:57:19 2009 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:57:19 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch Update........... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wahoo -- Looks like a nice weekend is shaping up, not too hot for July if the weather forecast holds true! I've got a K185 all loaded up and ready to go in my rebuilt 54mm min diameter rocket. JP Roberts, how about an altitude contest? Anyone else wanna play? I'll have a spare BeeLineGPS if anyone has any "extreme" projects they'd like to make sure they get back. Sorry MikeF, not for you ;) See you all Friday around 1pm. -- Greg On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Bob Grossfeld wrote: > Greeting fellow rocketeers....... > > So, interesting day in rocketry world. Show up to work today, and > there is a big box of motors! That's the good news! > Bad news, also a new price list. It looks like the 10% dealer > surcharge, is now a 10% increase on retail price of reloads! > Not sure how that will effect you, but another good reason to join > the frequent flyer club, which of course is free......... stop by and > say hi this weekend...... > > Bob > Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From rcdm at outlawnet.com Thu Jul 9 18:46:13 2009 From: rcdm at outlawnet.com (Moorehead) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:46:13 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch Update........... References: Message-ID: <50F189759DDE4AC5B78869DD2EDF9903@DANE> I'm hoping to burn a K185 too. It's in a 3" rocket so I think I'll stay away from the altitude contest. Might not turn down some tracking though. My only "extreme" rocket is a brand new down-scaled Mosquito that will be flying on a Micro-Maxx 1/8A-2. (will Quadzilla be available?) Also loading up a three stage with I161 to D12-0 to E9-8. $5.00 to anyone recovering the sustainer. Weird is good. Rod M. ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Clark To: Bob Grossfeld Cc: rockets northwest Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch Update........... Wahoo -- Looks like a nice weekend is shaping up, not too hot for July if the weather forecast holds true! I've got a K185 all loaded up and ready to go in my rebuilt 54mm min diameter rocket. JP Roberts, how about an altitude contest? Anyone else wanna play? I'll have a spare BeeLineGPS if anyone has any "extreme" projects they'd like to make sure they get back. Sorry MikeF, not for you ;) See you all Friday around 1pm. -- Greg On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Bob Grossfeld wrote: > Greeting fellow rocketeers....... > > So, interesting day in rocketry world. Show up to work today, and > there is a big box of motors! That's the good news! > Bad news, also a new price list. It looks like the 10% dealer > surcharge, is now a 10% increase on retail price of reloads! > Not sure how that will effect you, but another good reason to join > the frequent flyer club, which of course is free......... stop by and > say hi this weekend...... > > Bob > Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- I'm hoping to burn a K185 too. It's in a 3" rocket so I think I'll stay away from the altitude contest. Might not turn down some tracking though. ? My only "extreme" rocket is a brand new down-scaled Mosquito that will be flying on a Micro-Maxx 1/8A-2. (will Quadzilla be available?) ? Also loading up a three stage with I161 to D12-0 to E9-8.?? $5.00 to anyone recovering the sustainer.?? ? Weird is good. ? Rod M. ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:bigredbee at gmail.com Greg Clark To: mailto:rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Bob Grossfeld Cc: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets northwest Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launch Update........... Wahoo --? Looks like a nice weekend is shaping up, not too hot for July if the weather forecast holds true! I've got a K185 all loaded up? and ready to go in my rebuilt 54mm min diameter rocket. JP Roberts, how about an altitude contest?? Anyone else wanna play? I'll have a spare BeeLineGPS if anyone has any "extreme" projects they'd like to make sure they get back.? Sorry MikeF, not for you ;) See you all Friday around 1pm. -- Greg On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Bob Grossfeld< mailto:rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org > wrote: > Greeting fellow rocketeers....... > > So, interesting day in rocketry world. Show up to work today, and > there is a big box of motors! That's the good news! > Bad news, also a new price list. It looks like the 10% dealer > surcharge, is now a 10% increase on retail price of reloads! > Not sure how that will effect you, but another good reason to join > the frequent flyer club, which of course is free......... stop by and > say hi this weekend...... > > Bob > Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net Thu Jul 9 20:07:26 2009 From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net (mikeandkimwyvel) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:07:26 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting - July 11th Message-ID: <000b01ca010b$8ee39cf0$acaad6d0$@net> Hello everyone. The Washington Aerospace monthly meeting will be held Saturday July 11th at 7:00 PM in building 43 at the Microsoft campus in Redmond. Hope to see you there. Also make sure you don't have any quick mount knobs from portable work lamps wedged between your windshield and dash before you leave for home. Directions: Take 520 East to NE 40th St Exit Exit NE 40th St Turn right at the top of the exit ramp - heading east on NE 40th St Turn right at the next light onto 156th Ave NE going south At the third light turn right onto NE 31st St Take your first right into the parking lot. Building 43 is on the left. 425.246.1233 Mike Wyvel's cell phone if you get lost. Hopefully I remember to bring it. The agenda will include the following topics: * FITS review * FITS DVD status/Second T-shirt order * Status of launch operations at the Snell Ranch * GSE update * Finances * Any other business -------------- next part -------------- Hello everyone.? The Washington Aerospace monthly meeting will be held Saturday July 11 th at 7:00 PM in building 43 at the Microsoft campus in Redmond. Hope to see you there. Also make sure you don???t have any quick mount knobs from portable work lamps wedged between your windshield and dash before you leave for home. ? Directions: ? Take 520 East to NE 40th St Exit Exit NE 40th St Turn right at the top of the exit ramp - heading east on NE 40th St Turn right at the next light onto 156th Ave NE going south At the third light turn right onto NE 31st St Take your first right into the parking lot.? Building 43 is on the left. 425.246.1233 Mike Wyvel???s cell phone if you get lost. Hopefully I remember to bring it. ? The agenda will include the following topics: ? FITS review FITS DVD status/Second T-shirt order Status of launch operations at the Snell Ranch GSE update Finances Any other business ? ? ? From Mfreptiles at aol.com Thu Jul 9 20:58:25 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:58:25 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Launch Update........... Message-ID: Fair enough, but you did say "extreme". :) Mike F. In a message dated 7/9/2009 5:57:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bigredbee at gmail.com writes: I'll have a spare BeeLineGPS if anyone has any "extreme" projects they'd like to make sure they get back. Sorry MikeF, not for you ;) **************Dell Studio XPS Desktop: Save up to $400 - Limited Time Offer (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222466512x1201463496/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D3) -------------- next part -------------- Fair enough, but you did say "extreme".? :) ? Mike F. ? In a message dated 7/9/2009 5:57:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bigredbee at gmail.com writes: I'll have a spare BeeLineGPS if anyone has any "extreme" projects they'd like to make sure they get back.? Sorry MikeF, not for you ;) http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222466512x1201463496/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D3 Dell Studio XPS Desktop: Save up to $400 - Limited Time Offer From rwjcom at comcast.net Thu Jul 9 22:42:43 2009 From: rwjcom at comcast.net (Bob Jimerson) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:42:43 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] WAC Meeting Confirmation Message-ID: Just a quick note to confirm that there will be a WAC meeting this Saturday in Puyallup. Met a fellow that is interested in attending and I want to verify the meeting before I get him all wound up. Best, Bob From mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net Fri Jul 10 00:03:00 2009 From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net (mikeandkimwyvel) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:03:00 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] WAC Meeting Confirmation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001f01ca012c$779ae870$66d0b950$@net> There will be a meeting this Saturday but it will be held in Redmond at the Microsoft Campus. I sent out an email earlier this evening. Mike -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bob Jimerson Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:43 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WAC Meeting Confirmation Just a quick note to confirm that there will be a WAC meeting this Saturday in Puyallup. Met a fellow that is interested in attending and I want to verify the meeting before I get him all wound up. Best, Bob _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From krislhull at comcast.net Fri Jul 10 00:08:21 2009 From: krislhull at comcast.net (Kristopher Hull) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:08:21 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting - July 11th In-Reply-To: <000b01ca010b$8ee39cf0$acaad6d0$@net> References: <000b01ca010b$8ee39cf0$acaad6d0$@net> Message-ID: <001601ca012d$35d38090$a17a81b0$@net> Those knobs are quite pesky, are they not? It took NASA three days to remove it? If I can convince the wife to let me leave her for a few hours, I will be there... Kris Hull www.rocketlaunchblog.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of mikeandkimwyvel Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:07 PM To: Rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting - July 11th Hello everyone. The Washington Aerospace monthly meeting will be held Saturday July 11th at 7:00 PM in building 43 at the Microsoft campus in Redmond. Hope to see you there. Also make sure you don't have any quick mount knobs from portable work lamps wedged between your windshield and dash before you leave for home. Directions: Take 520 East to NE 40th St Exit Exit NE 40th St Turn right at the top of the exit ramp - heading east on NE 40th St Turn right at the next light onto 156th Ave NE going south At the third light turn right onto NE 31st St Take your first right into the parking lot. Building 43 is on the left. 425.246.1233 Mike Wyvel's cell phone if you get lost. Hopefully I remember to bring it. The agenda will include the following topics: * FITS review * FITS DVD status/Second T-shirt order * Status of launch operations at the Snell Ranch * GSE update * Finances * Any other business From appusher at q.com Fri Jul 10 00:57:05 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:57:05 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting - July 11th In-Reply-To: <000b01ca010b$8ee39cf0$acaad6d0$@net> References: <000b01ca010b$8ee39cf0$acaad6d0$@net> Message-ID: Mike, You forgot to mention not to get on the Ferry with AP residue in your car. At least not without your LEUP. Make sure your drag chute is packed properly. Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net > To: Rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:07:26 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting - July 11th > > Hello everyone. The Washington Aerospace monthly meeting will be held > Saturday July 11th at 7:00 PM in building 43 at the Microsoft campus in > Redmond. Hope to see you there. Also make sure you don't have any quick > mount knobs from portable work lamps wedged between your windshield and dash > before you leave for home. > > > > Directions: > > > > Take 520 East to NE 40th St Exit > > Exit NE 40th St > > Turn right at the top of the exit ramp - heading east on NE 40th St > > Turn right at the next light onto 156th Ave NE going south > > At the third light turn right onto NE 31st St > > Take your first right into the parking lot. Building 43 is on the left. > > 425.246.1233 Mike Wyvel's cell phone if you get lost. Hopefully I remember > to bring it. > > > > The agenda will include the following topics: > > > > * FITS review > * FITS DVD status/Second T-shirt order > * Status of launch operations at the Snell Ranch > * GSE update > * Finances > * Any other business > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- Mike, You forgot to mention not to get on the Ferry with AP residue in your car.? At least not without your LEUP. Make sure your drag chute is packed properly. ? Bill http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ? > From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net > To: Rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:07:26 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting - July 11th > > Hello everyone. The Washington Aerospace monthly meeting will be held > Saturday July 11th at 7:00 PM in building 43 at the Microsoft campus in > Redmond. Hope to see you there. Also make sure you don't have any quick > mount knobs from portable work lamps wedged between your windshield and dash > before you leave for home. > > > > Directions: > > > > Take 520 East to NE 40th St Exit > > Exit NE 40th St > > Turn right at the top of the exit ramp - heading east on NE 40th St > > Turn right at the next light onto 156th Ave NE going south > > At the third light turn right onto NE 31st St > > Take your first right into the parking lot. Building 43 is on the left. > > 425.246.1233 Mike Wyvel's cell phone if you get lost. Hopefully I remember > to bring it. > > > > The agenda will include the following topics: > > > > * FITS review > * FITS DVD status/Second T-shirt order > * Status of launch operations at the Snell Ranch > * GSE update > * Finances > * Any other business > > > > > > > From bennightfam at hotmail.com Fri Jul 10 07:30:41 2009 From: bennightfam at hotmail.com (C Bennight) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:30:41 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting - July 11th In-Reply-To: <000b01ca010b$8ee39cf0$acaad6d0$@net> References: <000b01ca010b$8ee39cf0$acaad6d0$@net> Message-ID: Hi Mike, I'm going to a wedding reception tomorrow night and will have to miss the meeting. I'll see you next time. Mike Bennight > From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net > To: Rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:07:26 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting - July 11th > > Hello everyone. The Washington Aerospace monthly meeting will be held > Saturday July 11th at 7:00 PM in building 43 at the Microsoft campus in > Redmond. Hope to see you there. Also make sure you don't have any quick > mount knobs from portable work lamps wedged between your windshield and dash > before you leave for home. > > > > Directions: > > > > Take 520 East to NE 40th St Exit > > Exit NE 40th St > > Turn right at the top of the exit ramp - heading east on NE 40th St > > Turn right at the next light onto 156th Ave NE going south > > At the third light turn right onto NE 31st St > > Take your first right into the parking lot. Building 43 is on the left. > > 425.246.1233 Mike Wyvel's cell phone if you get lost. Hopefully I remember > to bring it. > > > > The agenda will include the following topics: > > > > * FITS review > * FITS DVD status/Second T-shirt order > * Status of launch operations at the Snell Ranch > * GSE update > * Finances > * Any other business > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 -------------- next part -------------- Hi Mike, I'm going to a wedding reception tomorrow night and will have to miss the meeting. I'll see you next time. ? Mike Bennight ? > From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net > To: Rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:07:26 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting - July 11th > > Hello everyone. The Washington Aerospace monthly meeting will be held > Saturday July 11th at 7:00 PM in building 43 at the Microsoft campus in > Redmond. Hope to see you there. Also make sure you don't have any quick > mount knobs from portable work lamps wedged between your windshield and dash > before you leave for home. > > > > Directions: > > > > Take 520 East to NE 40th St Exit > > Exit NE 40th St > > Turn right at the top of the exit ramp - heading east on NE 40th St > > Turn right at the next light onto 156th Ave NE going south > > At the third light turn right onto NE 31st St > > Take your first right into the parking lot. Building 43 is on the left. > > 425.246.1233 Mike Wyvel's cell phone if you get lost. Hopefully I remember > to bring it. > > > > The agenda will include the following topics: > > > > * FITS review > * FITS DVD status/Second T-shirt order > * Status of launch operations at the Snell Ranch > * GSE update > * Finances > * Any other business > > > > > > > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 See how. From gbhchrist at verizon.net Fri Jul 10 07:36:18 2009 From: gbhchrist at verizon.net (George Christ) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:36:18 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] WAC Meeting Confirmation In-Reply-To: <001f01ca012c$779ae870$66d0b950$@net> References: <001f01ca012c$779ae870$66d0b950$@net> Message-ID: <69C30C80F30F44659696871D9B0A15BA@LittleGoodBox> Since Saturday is the height of the Derby Days festival in Redmond, there will be fireworks downtown at about 10:00, so stick around town after the meeting for more sky-oriented fun! George ----- Original Message ----- From: "mikeandkimwyvel" To: "'Bob Jimerson'" ; Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WAC Meeting Confirmation > There will be a meeting this Saturday but it will be held in Redmond at > the > Microsoft Campus. I sent out an email earlier this evening. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Bob Jimerson > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:43 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] WAC Meeting Confirmation > > Just a quick note to confirm that there will be a WAC meeting this > Saturday in Puyallup. Met a fellow that is interested in attending > and I want to verify the meeting before I get him all wound up. > > > Best, > > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Jul 10 09:54:55 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:54:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttle Endeavour Launch (STS-127), Saturday, 11JUL09/1639 PDT, 1939EDT Message-ID: <4A57725F.5000506@earthlink.net> --------------------------- http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/index.html One Day Before Endeavour's Launch, Preps Continue Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:15:22 AM GMT-0700 Launch countdown operations are continuing on schedule today at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. The countdown to space shuttle Endeavour's STS-127 launch began on time July 8 at 10 p.m. EDT. There will be a prelaunch news conference today beginning no earlier than 11:30 a.m (EDT). Watch it live on NASA TV or http://www.nasa.gov/ntv Endeavour's liftoff is scheduled for Saturday at 7:39 p.m. (EDT). Due to expected showers, thunderstorms and anvil clouds in the area, the launch weather forecast continues to be 40 percent "go." Tonight at Kennedy's Launch Pad 39A, the rotating service structure will begin to retract from around Endeavour at 11 p.m. Other news articles: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts127/090708count/ http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2009/07/endeavour-into-countdown-atlantis-window-damage-cleared/ http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSTRE5680HJ20090709 ---------------------------- STS-127 (ISS assembly flight 2J/A) is the next space shuttle mission to the International Space Station (ISS). It will be the 23rd flight of Space Shuttle Endeavour, and is scheduled to launch on July 11, 2009 at 4:39PM PDT (23:39 UTC) and return on July 27, 2009 at 9:19AM PDT (16:19 UTC). The first launch attempt on June 13, 2009 was scrubbed due to a gaseous hydrogen leak observed during tanking. The Ground Umbilical Carrier Plate on the external fuel tank experienced a potentially hazardous hydrogen gas leak similar to the fault that delayed the Space Shuttle Discovery, mission STS-119 in March 2009. Since a launch date of June 18, 2009 would have conflicted with the launch of the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO)/Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS), NASA managers discussed the conflict issues with both the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter project, as well as the Air Force Eastern Range that provides tracking support for rockets launched from Florida, and looked at options for launching the shuttle, without affecting the LRO project significantly. The second launch attempt on June 17, 2009 was also scrubbed due to hydrogen leak issues seen from the GUCP. A tanking test performed on July 1, 2009 with a modified system led to no leaks being detected. The primary purpose of the STS-127 mission is to deliver and install the final two components of the Japanese Experiment Module: the Exposed Facility (JEM EF), and the Exposed Section of the Experiment Logistics Module (ELM-ES). Mission Statistics Mission name: STS-127 Space shuttle: Endeavour Spacecraft mass: TBD Launch pad: LC-39A Launch date: July 11, 04:39 p.m. PDT (11:17 UTC) Landing: July 27, 9:19 a.m. PDT (16:19 UTC) Mission duration: 16 days Number of orbits planned: 248 Orbital period: 94 mins. Orbital altitude: 356 km (221 nautical miles) Orbital inclination: 51.6 degrees Crew Commander: Mark L. Polansky (Third spaceflight) Pilot: Douglas G. Hurley (First spaceflight) Mission Specialist 1: Christopher J. Cassidy (First spaceflight, EVA#3) Mission Specialist 2: Julie Payette, CSA (Second spaceflight, Flight Engineer) Mission Specialist 3: Thomas H. Marshburn (First spaceflight, EVA#4) Mission Specialist 4: David Wolf (Fourth spaceflight, Lead Spacewalker EVA#1) Mission Specialist 5: Timothy Kopra (ISS Expedition 20, First spaceflight, EVA#2) Koichi Wakata (JAXA, ISS Expedition 20, Third spaceflight) The mission marks 158th American manned space flight 127th shuttle mission since STS-1 23rd flight of Endeavour 29th shuttle mission to the ISS 102nd post-Challenger mission 14th post-Columbia mission First time thirteen people will be on the ISS (most people ever on one spacecraft at one time) STS-127 will carry the 500th person to space STS-127 will mark the first time that two Canadian astronauts, Robert Thirsk and Julie Payette, are in space at the same time. This mission is the fourth to the last of the Space Shuttle missions before they are retired from service. Twitter Page STS-127: http://twitter.com/STS127 NASA's: https://twitter.com/nasa Mark Polansky's: https://twitter.com/Astro_127 SpaceFlight Now: http://twitter.com/spaceflightnow/ Websites: NASA's Space Shuttle page: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/index.html NASA' STS-127 page: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts127/index.html SpaceFlight Now, Live Mission Updates: http://spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts127/status.html Space.com Launch and Mission Coverage: http://www.space.com/spaceshuttle/ Watching the Launch http://www.fromil.com/tv/index.php?radio=5 http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html http://www.floridatoday.com/content/blogs/space/livenasatv.shtml http://www.floridatoday.com/content/multimedia/space/livenasamediafeed.html Live Web Cams at Kennedy Space Center and Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida and Vandenburg AFB in California. http://www.floridatoday.com/content/maps/spacewebcams.shtml Tracking the Shuttle and the ISS http://heavens-above.com/ http://www.n2yo.com/ http://spaceweather.com/flybys/ http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/ Videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqQkEqMJoOw STS 127 Endeavour Crew Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e16eXXAoisg Shuttle Commander To Take Video Questions In Space (Post your question on YouTube and send the link to his Twitter account) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA2341yukeI STS-127 Endeavour Rollover from the Orbiter Processing Facility (OPF) the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vfdvomWcfA Hoisting Endeavour next to the External Tank. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew2aNhXPqNU Endeavour's roll out to Launch Pad 39B. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHgBEUxaDZY STS-127 Post Flight Readiness Review Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ8C4PCxN9c STS 127 Pre Launch Briefing (11JUN09) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZyylxkQ-uc STS-127 Spacewalk Overview Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R-gRAcepC4 STS-127 EVA#1 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FguRQd_aSM STS-127 EVA#2 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFOKv8Mhy70 STS-127 EVA#3 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m36Ajqk5y0o STS-127 EVA #4 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjHOzKjMw7w STS-127 EVA #5 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZUauMdwHlc NASA STS-127 EVAs Question and Answer From t.j.doll at att.net Fri Jul 10 15:25:08 2009 From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:25:08 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: Your Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites (R) Reservation Confirmation - TOOELE, UT, UNITED STATES: 60606775 Message-ID: <071020092225.13614.4A57BFC400031D260000352E22230682229B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: Holiday Inn Express Reservations To: t.j.doll at att.net Subject: Your Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites (R) Reservation Confirmation - TOOELE, UT, UNITED STATES: 60606775 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:11:38 +0000 Reservation Resources Add to Calendar Cancel Reservation View All Reservations Make Another Reservation View Account Other Travel Resources Don???t forget your passport! 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If you are interested in receiving periodic emails with promotional offers from InterContinental Hotels Group hotel brands, please visit: http://links.email.ihg.com/ctt?m=966308&r=LTMxMTM0Mzk3MQS2&b=0&j=MTI2MzA4MzQyS0&mt=1&kt=12&kx=1&k=prefctr_na_epidm_net_ihg_wws_p&kd=http%3A%2F%2Fprefctr.na.epidm.net%2Fihg%2Fwws_prefctr.asp%3Fl%3De http://prefctr.na.epidm.net/ihg/wws_prefctr.asp Comments: We will have a dog with us. Have a safe and pleasant trip! From t.j.doll at att.net Sat Jul 11 21:45:19 2009 From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:45:19 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] What to do with all those delay grains? Message-ID: <071220090445.3598.4A596A5F0000971D00000E0E22216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> First off, sorry about the Holiday Inn reservation - not sure what happened but I was forwarding to my work email, not to the list. Whoops..... Anyway, to the point, since I've gained High Power certification, every reload I've used has needed a different delay grain than what the reload came with. So, what does one do with all these unused 'stock' delay grains? TIA Tim -------------- next part -------------- First off, sorry about the Holiday Inn reservation - not sure what happened but I was forwarding to my work email, not to the list.? Whoops..... ? Anyway, to the point, since I've gained High Power certification, every reload I've used has needed a different delay grain than what the reload came with. ? So, what does one do with all these unused 'stock' delay grains? ? TIA ? Tim From appusher at q.com Sat Jul 11 22:43:25 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:43:25 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] What to do with all those delay grains? In-Reply-To: <071220090445.3598.4A596A5F0000971D00000E0E22216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> References: <071220090445.3598.4A596A5F0000971D00000E0E22216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Message-ID: Tim, Seal them up in individual bags and mark what they are. You might need them at a latter date. Or you could stack them up and have a smoke generator for some prank. {~8: EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: t.j.doll at att.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:45:19 +0000 > Subject: [RocketsNW] What to do with all those delay grains? > > First off, sorry about the Holiday Inn reservation - not sure what happened but I was forwarding to my work email, not to the list. Whoops..... > > Anyway, to the point, since I've gained High Power certification, every reload I've used has needed a different delay grain than what the reload came with. > > So, what does one do with all these unused 'stock' delay grains? > > TIA > > Tim -------------- next part -------------- Tim, Seal them up in individual bags and mark what they are.? You might need them at a latter date. Or you could stack them up and have a smoke generator for some prank.? {~8: http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ? > From: t.j.doll at att.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:45:19 +0000 > Subject: [RocketsNW] What to do with all those delay grains? > > First off, sorry about the Holiday Inn reservation - not sure what happened but I was forwarding to my work email, not to the list. Whoops..... > > Anyway, to the point, since I've gained High Power certification, every reload I've used has needed a different delay grain than what the reload came with. > > So, what does one do with all these unused 'stock' delay grains? > > TIA > > Tim From appusher at q.com Sat Jul 11 22:54:20 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:54:20 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Paging Peter Schurke Message-ID: Do you still have the HS email? Contact me off list please. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me -------------- next part -------------- Do you still have the HS email?? Contact me off list please. ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From bigrockets at verizon.net Sun Jul 12 08:52:58 2009 From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:52:58 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] What to do with all those delay grains? In-Reply-To: <071220090445.3598.4A596A5F0000971D00000E0E22216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> References: <071220090445.3598.4A596A5F0000971D00000E0E22216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Message-ID: <001b01ca0308$d46e2390$7d4a6ab0$@net> Tim I'd seal them up in a baggie and mark it as to their length, and save them as Bill suggests. Not all of my birds fly with electronics. I have a couple low-tech rockets that are fun to fly and just use motor ejection, faster, quicker, just as much fun. Dave Proffitt -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of t.j.doll at att.net Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 9:45 PM To: Rocket Lost Subject: [RocketsNW] What to do with all those delay grains? First off, sorry about the Holiday Inn reservation - not sure what happened but I was forwarding to my work email, not to the list. Whoops..... Anyway, to the point, since I've gained High Power certification, every reload I've used has needed a different delay grain than what the reload came with. So, what does one do with all these unused 'stock' delay grains? TIA Tim From melamy at earthlink.net Sun Jul 12 18:13:18 2009 From: melamy at earthlink.net (melamy at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:13:18 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [RocketsNW] What to do with all those delay grains? Message-ID: <9199721.1247447598919.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I agree with Dave about bagging them up. I end up figuring out which RDK it is and them marking them that way. If I already have a RDK for it, then I just add it to that. best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- >From: Dave Proffitt >Sent: Jul 12, 2009 8:52 AM >To: OROC List >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] What to do with all those delay grains? > >Tim > >I'd seal them up in a baggie and mark it as to their length, and save them as Bill suggests. Not all of my birds fly with electronics. I have a couple low-tech rockets that are fun to fly and just use motor ejection, faster, quicker, just as much fun. > >Dave Proffitt From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 18:17:02 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:17:02 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Krausert; Desert Heat OROC Launch Report 2009 Message-ID: <708CC88C21CD4405AE0AD0C885503FFA@LaptopKrausert> Let me first start off by stating I had a fantastic weekend out on the sage with a great group of friends and members. Arrived on the sage Thursday afternoon at 3:15pm. Got setup and enjoyed a nice evening relaxing, yet thinking of all the prep I still need to complete. Several people arrived Thursday evening. Hung out at the community fire chatting until 2am. Up at 6am on Friday and got priority (coffee) going. When I called in the waiver, the 173rd fighter wing asked for zero flights between 9am and 11am. Large group at 10am helped setup GSE and we were done in roughly 30 minutes. Thank you to everyone that helped perform some maintenance. Low power finally worked 6 for 6 pads before Saturday. We still had some on and off issues over the weekend, some TLC needed. Saturday I began prepping my modified Ariel with a K250W and dual deploy. Ariel was 72" length, 3" diameter rocket with a crappy rattle can paint job. Fins are thru wall with tip to tip glassing. Flown with a J350 three times before the rebuild and once since the rebuild. On the K250W the sim data showed between 10K and 11K feet, but with the winds, I estimated only 8K. Thank you Greg Clark for the extended forward closure and help at the pad. Launch was great, nice and straight. Weather cocked a few degrees North-East at about 2 seconds (guessing, could have been sooner). At about 5 seconds the rocket shreaded. The sim data never showed the rocket getting even close to mach. Well here is the downloaded data, decimals removed for some; Drogue fired at: 6 sec/5210 ft Main fired at: 21 sec/765 ft Maximum pressure altitude: 5210 @ 6 sec Maximum velocity 1128 ft/sec @ 4.7 sec Maximum Acceleration: 28g @ 5.1 sec With the shread, all data is suspect. But, so far looks like it 'could' be plausible. Sim data never showed anything near 28g's, that must have been during the shread when the booster was trying to battle a active motor and the rest of the rocket having a bad day. Glad burn-our was before the battle was over. Battle began at 4.7 seconds, yet the altimeter showed 5210 feet at 6 seconds. Obviously the 28g's came during the shread. Parts came down in three pieces about 1-1/4 miles North-East of the pad. Thank you, and I cannot say enough to Michael Lockhart. He recovered the booster (with motor) and joined me to recover the nosecone and main airframe. Quantum tube has a 14" zipper, but didn't break the 5/8" Kevlar pull tape on the main. The drouge to the booster however did rip the kevlar in half. The e-bay was broke in half, and seriously damaged. Yet the altimeter survived. Cannot trust the altimeter any more for deployment. It will go into the "record only" stash. All three fins (tip to tipped) were gone. Not broke, gone. Even took the glass on the Quantum airframe with the fins. K250's rock. Sad that I lost a rocket over one. But I learned a lot about short burn, high thrust is far different then long burn, low thrust. 3-days on the sage is therapy for me, whether I fly or not. Escape the busy world to a place that is still busy, but way so different. Out there I'm helping, but it's so different. The mason bees this year were thick. I got hit once, less than a masquito bite, and Greg Clark looked like he got two. Mason bees can "sting" but they mostly only lightly sting to test the surface. They igonred us for the most part. I heard no complaints from anyone. Congratulations to Lloyd Humez ('h-you-may') and Michael Lockhart for getting your Level 2 Certification through Tripoli. Thank you to my neighbors; Greg Clark, Fred Azinger, JP Roberts, Bob Welsh, Tsolo, and Lloyd Humez. Thank you Fred for the coffee... morning starter. Thank you to everyone that helped with setup (great team) and tear down. Thank you to Mark Dunkle for hauling the trailer to Vancouver. Great conversations each night at the community fire until after midnight. For all those that did time as FSO/LCO, thank you. Another great time. Written after a 4 hour drive, typos exist. ;-) Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Let me first start off by stating I had a fantastic weekend out on the sage with a great group of friends and members. ? Arrived on the sage Thursday afternoon at 3:15pm. Got setup and enjoyed a nice evening relaxing, yet thinking of all the prep I still need to complete. Several people arrived Thursday evening. Hung out at the community fire chatting until 2am. ? Up at 6am on Friday and got priority (coffee) going. When I called in the waiver, the 173rd fighter wing asked for zero flights between 9am and 11am. Large group at 10am helped setup GSE and we were done in roughly 30 minutes. Thank you to everyone that helped perform some maintenance. Low power finally worked 6 for 6 pads before Saturday. We still had some on and off issues over the weekend, some TLC needed. ? Saturday I began prepping my modified Ariel with a K250W and dual deploy. Ariel was 72" length, 3" diameter rocket with a crappy rattle can paint job. Fins are thru wall with tip to tip glassing. Flown with a J350 three times before the rebuild and once since the rebuild. On the K250W the sim data showed between 10K and 11K feet, but with the winds, I estimated only 8K. Thank you Greg Clark for the extended forward closure and help at the pad. Launch was great, nice and straight. Weather cocked a few degrees North-East at about 2 seconds (guessing, could have been sooner). At about 5 seconds the rocket shreaded. The sim data never showed the rocket getting even close to mach. Well here is the downloaded data, decimals removed for some; ? Drogue fired at: 6 sec/5210 ft Main fired at: 21 sec/765 ft Maximum pressure altitude: 5210 @ 6 sec Maximum velocity 1128 ft/sec @ 4.7 sec Maximum Acceleration: 28g @ 5.1 sec ? With the shread, all data is suspect. But, so far looks like it 'could' be plausible. ? Sim data never showed anything near 28g's, that must have been during the shread when the booster was trying to battle a active motor and the rest of the rocket having a bad day. Glad burn-our was before the battle was over. Battle began at 4.7 seconds, yet the altimeter showed 5210 feet at 6 seconds. Obviously the 28g's came during the shread. ? Parts came down in three pieces about 1-1/4 miles North-East of the pad. Thank you, and I cannot say enough to Michael Lockhart. He recovered the booster (with motor) and joined me to recover the nosecone and main airframe. Quantum tube has a 14" zipper, but didn't break the 5/8" Kevlar pull tape on the main. The drouge to the booster however did rip the kevlar in half. The e-bay was broke in half, and seriously damaged. Yet the altimeter survived. Cannot trust the altimeter any more for deployment. It will go into the "record only" stash. All three fins (tip to tipped) were gone. Not broke, gone. Even took the glass on the Quantum airframe with the fins. ? K250's rock. Sad that I lost a rocket over one. But I learned a lot about short burn, high thrust is far different then long burn, low thrust. ? 3-days on the sage is therapy for me, whether I fly or not. Escape the busy world to a place that is still busy, but way so different. Out there I'm helping, but it's so different.?The mason bees this year were thick. I got hit once, less than a masquito bite, and Greg Clark looked like he got two. Mason bees can "sting" but they mostly only lightly sting to test the surface. They igonred us for the most part. I heard no complaints from anyone. ? ? Congratulations to Lloyd Humez ('h-you-may')? and Michael Lockhart for getting your Level 2 Certification through Tripoli. Thank you to my neighbors; Greg Clark, Fred Azinger, JP Roberts, Bob Welsh, Tsolo, and Lloyd Humez. Thank you Fred for the coffee... morning starter. Thank you to everyone that helped with setup (great team) and tear down. Thank you to Mark Dunkle for hauling the trailer to Vancouver. Great conversations each night at the community fire until after midnight. For all those that did time as FSO/LCO, thank you. ? Another great time. Written after a 4 hour drive, typos exist. ;-) ? Cheers, Robert ? From fred at azinger.com Sun Jul 12 19:00:12 2009 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:00:12 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Message-ID: <024c01ca035d$a8943ed0$f9bcbc70$@com> Thanks to the OROC crew for another great launch. Super weather this time, just a tad windy. I quickly uploaded some images from this weekend..... Had two power-shreds and one red-road-flare...a red L motor that just cooked on the pad..... Super fun. A million thanks to Randy Birzer who found my rocket. Note to fliers -- putting TWO beelines in the nose doesn't help if you wrap them in paper towels. I forgot my bubble wrap and neither beeline survived a hard hit to the NC. Both beacons died -- I walked and walked the sage waving my yagi in vain..... Thanks again Randy...and the rest of the OROC membership. FredA -------------- next part -------------- Thanks to the OROC crew for another great launch. Super weather this time, just a tad windy. ? I quickly uploaded some images from this weekend..... ? Had two power-shreds and one red-road-flare...a red L motor that just cooked on the pad..... ? Super fun. A million thanks to Randy Birzer who found my rocket. Note to fliers -- putting TWO beelines in the nose doesn't help if you wrap them in paper towels. I forgot my bubble wrap and neither beeline survived a hard hit to the NC. Both beacons died -- I walked and walked the sage waving my yagi in vain..... Thanks again Randy...and the rest of the OROC membership. FredA ? From MartyWeiser at comcast.net Sun Jul 12 21:25:57 2009 From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty Weiser) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:25:57 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Big Sky Rocketry In-Reply-To: <2C29D200C5134B0E86B4DE3DC8FB0FC6@Mobile2> References: <2C29D200C5134B0E86B4DE3DC8FB0FC6@Mobile2> Message-ID: <00aa01ca0372$05596460$100c2d20$@net> Three of us from the Spokane area, Jim & Rob Jopson plus me, went over to a Big Sky Rocketry launch at their Twin Bridges, MT site this weekend. This site is about an hour south of Butte, MT (30 min freeway and 30 min good dirt road) and sports a 21.5K AGL waiver with 46K AGL between 10 and 3 with some advance notice. This is a small, friendly combined NAR & TRA group with about a dozen of their fliers present. On Sat. we had 37 flights which I was told tied their one day record (six were by my 5 & 6 year old nephews from Denver who I introduced to rocketry). The launch site is at a bit over 5600 ft. and is composed of rolling hills/ravines that is like Brothers except that the sage is much smaller and less dense so it does not hide the rockets. There were a few low and mid power flights, but most of the action was in the I-K range with one M CATO and a great 3 x K695 cluster. I flew my min diameter Go Bucks IV on a K185 to a personal commercial record of 12466 ft. and it was recovered 2.25 miles from the pad just as I had wired it - redundant main at apogee and drogue at 500 ft. They added Sun. as a research day for us and I had one research flight on a six grain 38 mm (our others were scrubbed), but they enjoyed having an extra day to fly HP and I think would do it again. BTW, never respond the question of "Did you put in a Walston" with "it is only a 6 kft flight". However, I built some karma by bringing in someone's lost rocket from last year. Jim and Rob were great company and used it to check out the site, the new RV on a longer trip, and parrot altimeters (all successfully). This is a great site and a great group of folks for some high altitude flying. It is a bit far from Seattle or Portland, but only about 6 hours from Spokane. Marty From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Sun Jul 12 22:02:07 2009 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:02:07 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... In-Reply-To: <024c01ca035d$a8943ed0$f9bcbc70$@com> Message-ID: Good to see you're keeping up you flight averages..... :) On 7/12/09 7:00 PM, "Fred Azinger" wrote: > > Had two power-shreds and one red-road-flare...a red L motor that just cooked > on the pad..... > From mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net Sun Jul 12 22:07:03 2009 From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net (mikeandkimwyvel) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:07:03 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] "Find Dining" at XPRS 2009 Message-ID: <001a01ca0377$c375cfb0$4a616f10$@net> FYI for those of you going to XPRS this year. -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Clay [mailto:jamie at dph.com] Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:58 PM To: 'Tripoli Members Forum' Subject: [TRA] "Find Dining" at XPRS 2009 Greetings from Peter Clay, Launch/Event Director - www.XPRS.org In years past we used to have a Pot luck on Saturday night at XPRS; for many reasons that "tradition" was discontinued. This year I have found an awesome traveling BBQ caterer that is very excited at the possibility of attending XPRS and providing dinner for Saturday night. When a few of us went up for the Black Rock Rendezvous we had the pleasure of stopping off in Colfax for lunch at the Drooling Dog BBQ www.droolingdogbarbq.com, all I can say is that it was amazing, amongst the best I have had. In chatting it up with the owner, it turns out he spends several days a week taking his wares on the road. I spoke to him about doing a catered dinner at XPRS and he was very interested and totally intrigued by what we do and were we do it. In order to make this happen we need to pre-sell 150 - $19 dinner tickets by September 5th . Drooling Dog BBQ will also bring extras so that he could possibly do an ad hock breakfast and lunch. So this is what the Sept 18th Launch Menu looks like; All food prepared & cooked at Drooling Dog BBQ. The $19 dinner ticket buys you; .. Tri Tip & Skinless Boneless Chicken Breast ~ cooked on site with our wood fired trailer. .. Baked Beans ~ smoked pulled pork & another secret sauce added for extra flavor. .. Spring Green Salad ~ dried cranberries, walnuts & a honey, raspberry vinaigrette dressing .. Garlic Bread.~ buttered with our garlic butter .. If available a second serving goes for $5 , first come first serve, does not need to be pre-paid, no third servings. People would come by his camp, redeem their tickets for their dinners and then take them back to camp. It is possible people will set up tables and dine together, however everyone is responsible for cleaning up their individual trash. The caterer will not be hauling out garbage (other than his own). To be clear, there are no 'playa bus boys' clearing any setup tables, you are responsible for your own garbage. If you would like to partake in this feast, please fill out the request form at http://www.xprs.org/dinner.html - Once I get close to the 150 that we need I will then send out a communication with payment instructions (for PayPal and for those of you who prefer to send a check - wow, people still do that?) so that we can make it happen. If I start collecting money and it ends up that we do not have enough, it will be refunded to you via PayPal (less the fees of course) or your check will be destroyed or returned to you. Doug's food is delicious! A fully prepared dinner is well worth the $19.00! Get a plate, kick back and then enjoy the night launch! And again, you can learn more about Doug and Linda at www.droolingdogbarbq.com or www.doggonegoodcatering.com I look forward to hearing from you, Cheers Peter Clay Launch/Event Director www.aeropac.org This notice will be forwarded to ROC, TRA, and LUNAR, but please feel free to pass this along to any lists where there are people that you think will be interested in attending XPRS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Messages posted to this list are confidential and shall not be posted or published on other forums, mail lists, web sites or other information services without prior written permission of the author. Copyright 2002-2009 by Tripoli Rocketry Association. From fred at azinger.com Sun Jul 12 22:17:16 2009 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:17:16 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... In-Reply-To: References: <024c01ca035d$a8943ed0$f9bcbc70$@com> Message-ID: <027201ca0379$3050ac80$90f20580$@com> That was the launch "highlights" not mine.............. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Wright [mailto:bradwr at wrightholdings.com] Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:02 PM To: Fred Azinger; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Good to see you're keeping up you flight averages..... :) On 7/12/09 7:00 PM, "Fred Azinger" wrote: > > Had two power-shreds and one red-road-flare...a red L motor that just cooked > on the pad..... > From jhadv at pacifier.com Mon Jul 13 06:09:01 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:09:01 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090713060720.00bdfd48@mail.iinet.com> Fred or someone; I was looking at the pictures you uploaded, thank you for that, and noticed that the caption on Jack's 5.5" Nike Smoke said it was the "last flight." What happened? If flew fine on Saturday. From Jjcllc03 at aol.com Mon Jul 13 06:26:06 2009 From: Jjcllc03 at aol.com (Jjcllc03 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:26:06 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Message-ID: On Sunday, she had a Cesaroni L1030 Red Lightning motor in it. When the rocket was ready on the launch pad after failing to ignite with a Cesaroni igniter, I replaced the failed igniter with a Quickstart one. On the second attempt, the motor lit slowly and the rocket simply sat on the pad when the motor failed to come up to adequate pressure to launch. The motor slowly cooked the rocket's fin can and emitted a small flame about five inches long or so for at least 35 seconds. Finally, after the motor burned out and after someone else's flight, we retrieved the rocket to find that the aluminum motor casing was nothing but slagged droppings. The motor mount tube and motor adaptor were just charred flakes of phenolic. So, I'm trying to see if any part of the fin can is recoverable. It was a sad ending for a fine rocket. She was such a classy lady I think she'd rather have gone down after a last flight rather than to die on the pad. Oh well, at least my wife has the consolation of having a rival for my attention out of the way for awhile... Jack In a message dated 7/13/2009 6:09:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhadv at pacifier.com writes: Fred or someone; I was looking at the pictures you uploaded, thank you for that, and noticed that the caption on Jack's 5.5" Nike Smoke said it was the "last flight." What happened? If flew fine on Saturday. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) -------------- next part -------------- On Sunday, she had a Cesaroni L1030 Red Lightning motor in it.? When the rocket was ready on the launch pad after failing to ignite with a Cesaroni igniter, I replaced the failed igniter with a Quickstart one.? On the second attempt, the motor lit slowly and the rocket simply sat on the pad when the motor failed to come up to adequate pressure to launch.? The motor slowly cooked the rocket's fin can and emitted a small flame about five inches long or so for at least 35 seconds.? Finally, after the motor burned out and after someone else's flight, we retrieved the rocket to find that the aluminum motor casing was nothing but slagged droppings.? The motor mount tube and motor adaptor were just charred flakes of phenolic.? ? So, I'm trying to see if any part of the fin can is recoverable.? It was a sad ending for a fine rocket.? She was such a classy lady I think she'd rather have gone down after a last flight rather than to die on the pad.? Oh well, at least my wife has the consolation of having a rival for my attention out of the way for awhile... ? Jack ? In a message dated 7/13/2009 6:09:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhadv at pacifier.com writes: Fred or someone; ? ? I was looking at the pictures you uploaded, thank you for that, and noticed that the caption on Jack's 5.5" Nike Smoke said it was the "last flight."? What happened?? If flew fine on Saturday.? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? Looking for love this summer? http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003 Find it now on AOL Personals . From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Jul 13 09:04:27 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:04:27 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Message-ID: Sorry to hear that. Sounds like it came with the wrong nozzle. Mike In a message dated 7/13/2009 6:27:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Jjcllc03 at aol.com writes: On the second attempt, the motor lit slowly and the rocket simply sat on the pad when the motor failed to come up to adequate pressure to launch. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- Sorry to hear that.? Sounds like it came with the wrong nozzle. ? Mike ? In a message dated 7/13/2009 6:27:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Jjcllc03 at aol.com writes: On the? second attempt, the motor lit slowly and the rocket simply sat on the pad when? the motor failed to come up to adequate pressure to launch. An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From raystoner99 at comcast.net Mon Jul 13 09:42:39 2009 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (raystoner99 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <664405280.999411247503359863.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Or the igniter slipped to the bottom of the motor. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Mfreptiles at aol.com To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:04:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Sorry to hear that. Sounds like it came with the wrong nozzle. Mike In a message dated 7/13/2009 6:27:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Jjcllc03 at aol.com writes: On the second attempt, the motor lit slowly and the rocket simply sat on the pad when the motor failed to come up to adequate pressure to launch. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Or the igniter slipped to the bottom of the motor. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Mfreptiles at aol.com To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:04:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Sorry to hear that. Sounds like it came with the wrong nozzle. Mike In a message dated 7/13/2009 6:27:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Jjcllc03 at aol.com writes: On the second attempt, the motor lit slowly and the rocket simply sat on the pad when the motor failed to come up to adequate pressure to launch. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From fred.azinger at intel.com Mon Jul 13 10:19:37 2009 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:19:37 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... In-Reply-To: <664405280.999411247503359863.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <664405280.999411247503359863.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Interesting theory....... Will it never light the top cores? Even with the pyrodex pellet in there? I assume you assert that this in effect turns the motor into an end-burner....hard for me to believe from what I've seen in lighting propellant.... Is this a known behavior? FredA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of raystoner99 at comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:43 AM Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Or the igniter slipped to the bottom of the motor. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Mfreptiles at aol.com To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:04:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Sorry to hear that. Sounds like it came with the wrong nozzle. Mike In a message dated 7/13/2009 6:27:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Jjcllc03 at aol.com writes: On the second attempt, the motor lit slowly and the rocket simply sat on the pad when the motor failed to come up to adequate pressure to launch. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From ghuber at landacorp.com Mon Jul 13 10:29:27 2009 From: ghuber at landacorp.com (Geoff Huber) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:29:27 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... In-Reply-To: References: <664405280.999411247503359863.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I watched a Kosdon 38-640 case do this about 9 years ago. I don't recall if it was the fast or slow but I have seen a motor do this.... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:20 AM To: raystoner99 at comcast.net Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Interesting theory....... Will it never light the top cores? Even with the pyrodex pellet in there? I assume you assert that this in effect turns the motor into an end-burner....hard for me to believe from what I've seen in lighting propellant.... Is this a known behavior? FredA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of raystoner99 at comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:43 AM Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Or the igniter slipped to the bottom of the motor. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Mfreptiles at aol.com To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:04:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Sorry to hear that. Sounds like it came with the wrong nozzle. Mike In a message dated 7/13/2009 6:27:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Jjcllc03 at aol.com writes: On the second attempt, the motor lit slowly and the rocket simply sat on the pad when the motor failed to come up to adequate pressure to launch. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir =http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd =Jul yExcfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 10:35:34 2009 From: whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com (Dietrich Podmajersky) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:35:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... In-Reply-To: References: <664405280.999411247503359863.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: This behavior has been documented by Cessaroni and referenced in thier FAQ on igniters: ( link http://pro38.com/faqs.php#igniters?) relevent section from the FAQ: *Can I use a different igniter? *Theoretically yes, but? why? You will not add any reliability with another igniter, but you certainly may lose some. The ignition system on Pro38 and Pro54 motors is exactly that - a system, and it works. Commercial electric matches are very reliable, and there is more than enough output from the pyrogen to ignite the igniter pellet contained in the top of the motor core. Some time ago we experimented on the test stand with progressively larger and larger gaps between the electric match and the igniter pellet. The final test was successfully igniting a 6 grain Pro38 with the electric match head inserted only 1" into the motor. This is not recommended! It merely demonstrated that it was not critical to have the match head in tight contact with the igniter pellet. If you insist on using a homemade pyrogen-dipped igniter, think about this first: we recently precisely reproduced an unusual failure of a Pro38? J class reload. The flier reported that at ignition, his motor ignited with a small flame and no thrust, and continued to burn for over a minute, with the rear end of the motor case melting and dripping into a puddle of aluminum. The rocket was destroyed. We asked the usual questions, including asking if the stock igniter was used, and if the flier made sure it was all the way up the motor core. Both answers were "yes". This left us baffled for a while, until eventually we decided that the only way this could happen is for ignition to have occurred near the nozzle of the motor. We also knew that the stock match would not ignite the propellant directly, so how could this happen? We took a few reloads out to the test stand with some electric matches, plus a couple of pyrogen-dipped igniters. The electric match would not ignite the propellant by itself, as we already knew. We then installed a dipped igniter a short way inside the motor, and pressed the button. Bingo! The motor burned like a road flare for about 90 seconds, and the rear of the motor case melted into a puddle of aluminum just like the failed reload. In fact, we couldn't tell the remains apart. Hmmm? When asked again, the flier sheepishly admitted he had indeed used a homemade dipped igniter, and we figured it must have caught in the core and felt like it was properly installed, or else slipped out of place. All was forgiven, and we actually learned valuable information from the tests. The flier also said he would stick with the stock igniter from now on! On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Azinger, Fred wrote: > Interesting theory....... Will it never light the top cores? Even with > the pyrodex pellet in there? > I assume you assert that this in effect turns the motor into an > end-burner....hard for me to believe from what I've seen in lighting > propellant.... Is this a known behavior? > FredA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of raystoner99 at comcast.net > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:43 AM > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... > > Or the igniter slipped to the bottom of the motor. > > Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mfreptiles at aol.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:04:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... > > Sorry to hear that. Sounds like it came with the wrong nozzle. Mike In a > message dated 7/13/2009 6:27:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > Jjcllc03 at aol.com writes: On the second attempt, the motor lit slowly and > the rocket simply sat on the pad when the motor failed to come up to > adequate pressure to launch. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. > See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > -------------- next part -------------- This behavior has been documented by Cessaroni and?referenced?in thier?FAQ on igniters: ( link http://pro38.com/faqs.php#igniters http://pro38.com/faqs.php#igniters ?) ? relevent section from the FAQ: Can I use a different igniter? ? Theoretically yes, but? why? You will not add any reliability with another igniter, but you certainly may lose some. The ignition system on Pro38 and Pro54 motors is exactly that - a system, and it works. Commercial electric matches are very reliable, and there is more than enough output from the pyrogen to ignite the igniter pellet contained in the top of the motor core. ? Some time ago we experimented on the test stand with progressively larger and larger gaps between the electric match and the igniter pellet. The final test was successfully igniting a 6 grain Pro38 with the electric match head inserted only 1" into the motor. This is not recommended! It merely demonstrated that it was not critical to have the match head in tight contact with the igniter pellet. ? If you insist on using a homemade pyrogen-dipped igniter, think about this first: we recently precisely reproduced an unusual failure of a Pro38? J class reload. The flier reported that at ignition, his motor ignited with a small flame and no thrust, and continued to burn for over a minute, with the rear end of the motor case melting and dripping into a puddle of aluminum. The rocket was destroyed. We asked the usual questions, including asking if the stock igniter was used, and if the flier made sure it was all the way up the motor core. Both answers were "yes". ? This left us baffled for a while, until eventually we decided that the only way this could happen is for ignition to have occurred near the nozzle of the motor. We also knew that the stock match would not ignite the propellant directly, so how could this happen? We took a few reloads out to the test stand with some electric matches, plus a couple of pyrogen-dipped igniters. ? The electric match would not ignite the propellant by itself, as we already knew. We then installed a dipped igniter a short way inside the motor, and pressed the button. Bingo! The motor burned like a road flare for about 90 seconds, and the rear of the motor case melted into a puddle of aluminum just like the failed reload. In fact, we couldn't tell the remains apart. Hmmm? ? When asked again, the flier sheepishly admitted he had indeed used a homemade dipped igniter, and we figured it must have caught in the core and felt like it was properly installed, or else slipped out of place. All was forgiven, and we actually learned valuable information from the tests. The flier also said he would stick with the stock igniter from now on! ? ? ? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Azinger, Fred < mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com > wrote: ? Interesting theory....... Will it never light the top cores? ?Even with the pyrodex pellet in there? I assume you assert that this in effect turns the motor into an end-burner....hard for me to believe from what I've seen in lighting propellant.... Is this a known behavior? FredA ? ? -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net raystoner99 at comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:43 AM Cc: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... ? Or the igniter slipped to the bottom of the motor. ? Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com Mfreptiles at aol.com To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:04:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... ? Sorry to hear that. Sounds like it came with the wrong nozzle. Mike In a message dated 7/13/2009 6:27:04 A.M. 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In-Reply-To: References: <664405280.999411247503359863.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: BINGO..... Jack's first attempt didn't fire -- he need to re-cycle. The match did pop, but failed to light. He replaced it with a FatBoy that will light just about anything, just not always the right location.......learn something new every launch.........just wish some lessons were not so expensive. Thx for solving the mystery. FredA ________________________________ From: Dietrich Podmajersky [mailto:whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:36 AM To: Azinger, Fred Cc: raystoner99 at comcast.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... This behavior has been documented by Cessaroni and referenced in thier FAQ on igniters: ( link http://pro38.com/faqs.php#igniters?) relevent section from the FAQ: Can I use a different igniter? Theoretically yes, but... why? You will not add any reliability with another igniter, but you certainly may lose some. The ignition system on Pro38 and Pro54 motors is exactly that - a system, and it works. Commercial electric matches are very reliable, and there is more than enough output from the pyrogen to ignite the igniter pellet contained in the top of the motor core. Some time ago we experimented on the test stand with progressively larger and larger gaps between the electric match and the igniter pellet. The final test was successfully igniting a 6 grain Pro38 with the electric match head inserted only 1" into the motor. This is not recommended! It merely demonstrated that it was not critical to have the match head in tight contact with the igniter pellet. If you insist on using a homemade pyrogen-dipped igniter, think about this first: we recently precisely reproduced an unusual failure of a Pro38(r) J class reload. The flier reported that at ignition, his motor ignited with a small flame and no thrust, and continued to burn for over a minute, with the rear end of the motor case melting and dripping into a puddle of aluminum. The rocket was destroyed. We asked the usual questions, including asking if the stock igniter was used, and if the flier made sure it was all the way up the motor core. Both answers were "yes". This left us baffled for a while, until eventually we decided that the only way this could happen is for ignition to have occurred near the nozzle of the motor. We also knew that the stock match would not ignite the propellant directly, so how could this happen? We took a few reloads out to the test stand with some electric matches, plus a couple of pyrogen-dipped igniters. The electric match would not ignite the propellant by itself, as we already knew. We then installed a dipped igniter a short way inside the motor, and pressed the button. Bingo! The motor burned like a road flare for about 90 seconds, and the rear of the motor case melted into a puddle of aluminum just like the failed reload. In fact, we couldn't tell the remains apart. Hmmm... When asked again, the flier sheepishly admitted he had indeed used a homemade dipped igniter, and we figured it must have caught in the core and felt like it was properly installed, or else slipped out of place. All was forgiven, and we actually learned valuable information from the tests. The flier also said he would stick with the stock igniter from now on! On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Azinger, Fred > wrote: Interesting theory....... Will it never light the top cores? Even with the pyrodex pellet in there? I assume you assert that this in effect turns the motor into an end-burner....hard for me to believe from what I've seen in lighting propellant.... Is this a known behavior? FredA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of raystoner99 at comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:43 AM Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Or the igniter slipped to the bottom of the motor. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Mfreptiles at aol.com To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:04:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Sorry to hear that. Sounds like it came with the wrong nozzle. Mike In a message dated 7/13/2009 6:27:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Jjcllc03 at aol.com writes: On the second attempt, the motor lit slowly and the rocket simply sat on the pad when the motor failed to come up to adequate pressure to launch. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! 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From: Dietrich Podmajersky [mailto:whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:36 AM To: Azinger, Fred Cc: raystoner99 at comcast.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... This behavior has been documented by Cessaroni and?referenced?in thier?FAQ on igniters: ( link http://pro38.com/faqs.php#igniters http://pro38.com/faqs.php#igniters ?) ? relevent section from the FAQ: Can I use a different igniter? ? Theoretically yes, but??? why? You will not add any reliability with another igniter, but you certainly may lose some. The ignition system on Pro38 and Pro54 motors is exactly that - a system, and it works. Commercial electric matches are very reliable, and there is more than enough output from the pyrogen to ignite the igniter pellet contained in the top of the motor core. ? Some time ago we experimented on the test stand with progressively larger and larger gaps between the electric match and the igniter pellet. The final test was successfully igniting a 6 grain Pro38 with the electric match head inserted only 1" into the motor. This is not recommended! It merely demonstrated that it was not critical to have the match head in tight contact with the igniter pellet. ? If you insist on using a homemade pyrogen-dipped igniter, think about this first: we recently precisely reproduced an unusual failure of a Pro38? J class reload. The flier reported that at ignition, his motor ignited with a small flame and no thrust, and continued to burn for over a minute, with the rear end of the motor case melting and dripping into a puddle of aluminum. The rocket was destroyed. We asked the usual questions, including asking if the stock igniter was used, and if the flier made sure it was all the way up the motor core. Both answers were "yes". ? This left us baffled for a while, until eventually we decided that the only way this could happen is for ignition to have occurred near the nozzle of the motor. We also knew that the stock match would not ignite the propellant directly, so how could this happen? We took a few reloads out to the test stand with some electric matches, plus a couple of pyrogen-dipped igniters. ? The electric match would not ignite the propellant by itself, as we already knew. We then installed a dipped igniter a short way inside the motor, and pressed the button. Bingo! The motor burned like a road flare for about 90 seconds, and the rear of the motor case melted into a puddle of aluminum just like the failed reload. In fact, we couldn't tell the remains apart. Hmmm??? ? When asked again, the flier sheepishly admitted he had indeed used a homemade dipped igniter, and we figured it must have caught in the core and felt like it was properly installed, or else slipped out of place. All was forgiven, and we actually learned valuable information from the tests. The flier also said he would stick with the stock igniter from now on! ? ? ? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Azinger, Fred < mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com > wrote: ? Interesting theory....... Will it never light the top cores? ?Even with the pyrodex pellet in there? I assume you assert that this in effect turns the motor into an end-burner....hard for me to believe from what I've seen in lighting propellant.... Is this a known behavior? FredA ? ? -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net raystoner99 at comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:43 AM Cc: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... ? Or the igniter slipped to the bottom of the motor. ? Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com Mfreptiles at aol.com To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:04:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... ? Sorry to hear that. Sounds like it came with the wrong nozzle. Mike In a message dated 7/13/2009 6:27:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:Jjcllc03 at aol.com Jjcllc03 at aol.com writes: On the second attempt, the motor lit slowly and the rocket simply sat on the pad when the motor failed to come up to adequate pressure to launch. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! 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In-Reply-To: <8CBD1FA3C9B4A5A-16C8-AAB@mblk-d22.sysops.aol.com> References: <664405280.999411247503359863.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <8CBD1FA3C9B4A5A-16C8-AAB@mblk-d22.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBD1FA58B90E22-16C8-ABB@mblk-d22.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: jjcllc03 at aol.com To: fred.azinger at intel.com Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:55 am Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Fred is right about the igniters that were involved.?? Unfortunately, the Cesaroni igniter didn't work even when it was in contact with the pellet, so their system isn't as "robust" as they may believe.????Anyway, thanks for your input, Dietrich. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Azinger, Fred To: Dietrich Podmajersky Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:42 am Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... BINGO..... ack's first attempt didn't fire -- he need to re-cycle. he match did pop, but failed to light. e replaced it with a FatBoy that will light just about anything, just not lways the right location.......learn something new every launch.........just ish some lessons were not so expensive. hx for solving the mystery. redA rom: ietrich Podmajersky [mailto:whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com] ent: onday, July 13, 2009 10:36 AM o: zinger, Fred c: aystoner99 at comcast.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com ubject: e: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... his behavior has been documented by Cessaroni and??referenc d??in thier??FAQ on gniters: ( link http://pro38.com/faqs.php#igniters http://pro38.com/faqs.php#igniters ) elevent section from the FAQ: an I use a different igniter? heoretically yes, but??????? why? You will not add any reliability with anothe r gniter, but you certainly may lose some. The ignition system on Pro38 and Pro54 otors is exactly that - a system, and it works. Commercial electric matches are ery reliable, and there is more than enough output from the pyrogen to ignite he igniter pellet contained in the top of the motor core. ome time ago we experimented on the test stand with progressively larger and arger gaps between the electric match and the igniter pellet. The final test as successfully igniting a 6 grain Pro38 with the electric match head inserted nly 1" into the motor. This is not recommended! It merely demonstrated that it as not critical to have the match head in tight contact with the igniter ellet. f you insist on using a homemade pyrogen-dipped igniter, think about this irst: we recently precisely reproduced an unusual failure of a Pro38?? J class eload. The flier reported that at ignition, his motor ignited with a small lame and no thrust, and continued to burn for over a minute, with the rear end f the motor case melting and dripping=2 into a puddle of aluminum. The rocket was estroyed. We asked the usual questions, including asking if the stock igniter as used, and if the flier made sure it was all the way up the motor core. Both nswers were "yes". his left us baffled for a while, until eventually we decided that the only way his could happen is for ignition to have occurred near the nozzle of the motor. e also knew that the stock match would n ot ignite the propellant directly, so ow could this happen? We took a few reloads out to the test stand with some lectric matches, plus a couple of pyrogen-dipped igniters. he electric match would not ignite the propellant by itself, as we already new. We then installed a dipped igniter a short way inside the motor, and ressed the button. Bingo! The motor burned like a road flare for about 90 econds, and the rear of the motor case melted into a puddle of aluminum just ike the failed reload. In fact, we couldn't tell the remains apart. Hmmm??????? hen asked again, the flier sheepishly admitted he had indeed used a homemade ipped igniter, and we figured it must have caught in the core and felt like it as properly installed, or else slipped out of place. All was forgiven, and we ctually learned valuable information from the tests. The flier also said he ould stick with the stock igniter from now on! n Mon, Jul 13, 200920at 10:19 AM, Azinger, Fred mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com rote: nteresting theory....... ill it never light the top cores? ??Even with the pyrodex pellet in there? assume you assert that this in effect turns the motor into an nd-burner....hard for me to believe from what I've seen in lighting ropellant.... Is this a known behavior? redA ----Original Message----- rom: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com On Behalf Of mailto:raystone r99 at comcast.net raystoner99 at comcast.net ent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:43 AM c: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ubject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... r the igniter slipped to the bottom of the motor. ay ---- Original Message ----- rom: mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com Mfreptiles at aol.com o: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ent: Monday, July 13, 009 9:04:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific ubject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... orry to hear that. Sounds like it came with the wrong nozzle. Mike In a message ated 7/13/2009 6:27:04 A.M. 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Try the NEW Truveo.com. -------------- next part -------------- -----Original Message----- From: jjcllc03 at aol.com To: fred.azinger at intel.com Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:55 am Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Fred is right about the igniters that were involved.? Unfortunately, the Cesaroni igniter didn't work even when it was in contact with the pellet, so their system isn't as "robust" as they may believe.??Anyway, thanks for your input, Dietrich. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Azinger, Fred < mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com > To: Dietrich Podmajersky < mailto:whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com > Cc: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:42 am Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... BINGO..... ? Jack's first attempt didn't fire -- he need to re-cycle. The match did pop, but failed to light. He replaced it with a FatBoy that will light just about anything, just not always the right location.......learn something new every launch.........just wish some lessons were not so expensive. Thx for solving the mystery. FredA ? From: Dietr ich Podmajersky [ mailto:whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com? mailto:whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com ] Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:36 AM To: Azinger, Fred Cc: mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net raystoner99 at comcast.net ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... This behavior has been documented by Cessaroni and?referenc ed?in thier?FAQ on igniters: ( link http://pro38.com/faqs.php#igniters http://pro38.com/faqs.php#igniters http://pro38.com/faqs.php#igniters http://pro38.com/faqs.php#igniters ?) ? relevent section from the FAQ: Can I use a different igniter? ? Theoretically yes, but??????? why? You will not add any reliability with another igniter, but you certainly may lose some. The ignition system on Pro38 and Pro54 motors is exactly that - a system, and it works. Commercial electric matches are very reliable, and there is more than enough output from the pyrogen to ignite the igniter pellet contained in the top of the motor core. ? Some time ago we experimented on the test stand with progressively larger and larger gaps between the electric match and the igniter pellet. The final test was successfully igniting a 6 grain Pro38 with the electric match head inserted only 1" into the motor. This is not recommended! It merely demonstrated that it was not critical to have the match head in tight contact with the igniter=2 0 pellet. ? If you insist on using a homemade pyrogen-dipped igniter, think about this first: we recently precisely reproduced an unusual failure of a Pro38?? J class reload. The flier reported that at ignition, his motor ignited with a small flame and no thrust, and continued to burn for over a minute, with the rear end of the motor case melting and dripping=2 0into a puddle of aluminum. The rocket was destroyed. We asked the usual questions, including asking if the stock igniter was used, and if the flier made sure it was all the way up the motor core. Both answers were "yes". ? This left us baffled for a while, until eventually we decided that the only way this could happen is for ignition to have occurred near the nozzle of the motor. We also knew that the stock match would not ignite the propellant directly, so how could this happen? We took a few reloads out to the test stand with some electric matches, plus a couple of pyrogen-dipped igniters. ? The electric match would not ignite the propellant by itself, as we already knew. We then installed a dipped igniter a short way inside the motor, and pressed the button. Bingo! The motor burned like a road flare for about 90 seconds, and the rear of the motor case melted into a puddle of aluminum just like the failed reload. In fact, we couldn't tell the remains apart. Hmmm??????? ? When asked again, the flier sheep ishly admitted he had indeed used a homemade dipped igniter, and we figured it must have caught in the core and felt like it was properly installed, or else slipped out of place. All was forgiven, and we actually learned valuable information from the tests. The flier also said he would stick with the stock igniter from now on! ? ? ? On Mon, Jul 13, 200920at 10:19 AM, Azinger, Fred < mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com? mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com > wrote: ? Interesting theory....... Will it never light the top cores? ?Even with the pyrodex pellet in there? I assume you assert that this in effect turns the motor into an end-burner....hard for me to believe from what I've seen in lighting propellant.... Is this a known behavior? FredA ? ? -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com? mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com? mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net? mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net raystoner99 at comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:43 AM Cc: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com? mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [Rock etsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... ? Or the igniter slipped to the bottom of the motor. ? Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com? mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com Mfreptiles at aol.com To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com? mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:04:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... ? Sorry to hear that. Sounds like it came with the wrong nozzle. Mike In a message dated 7/13/2009 6:27:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:Jjcllc03 at aol.com? mailto:Jjcllc03 at aol.com mailto:Jjcllc03 at aol.com Jjcllc03 at aol.com writes: On the second attempt, the motor lit slowly and the rocket simply sat on the pad when the motor failed to come up to adequate pressure to launch. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! 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The tops of the grains were all concave, but they were all identical. They weighed very close to the same measured very close to the same and had no visible differences. No particular grain had a "pellet" or any other occlusion of the bore formed into the top or visible difference of material within the individual grains. So I looked at the forward closure and saw a grain about .75 of an inch in diameter sealed into the enclosure with some slightly yellow, marginally translucent material resembling epoxy. My assumption was that the bottom portion of this grain was the "pellet" although it was definitely not black powder. It was a greyish material that appeared to be flexible although I did not test it extensively. So my question is If the motor in question had an "igniter pellet" in it then why didn't the burning fuel light the pellet or the other grains for that matter? It obviously got hot enough to melt Al (>660 C). So to my mind if the motor in question did NOT HAVE an igniter pellet in it for whatever reason and was lit at the bottom then it might have exhibited the observed behavior but I even have a problem with that as I would ask why didn't the other grains catch and pressurize the motor? If you tell me that the pellet needs air to burn and the grains need the pellet to light properly then my response would be "some system." From lennyb at telus.net Mon Jul 13 11:36:57 2009 From: lennyb at telus.net (Len Bryan) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:36:57 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Fwd: Desert Heat images uploaded.... In-Reply-To: <8CBD1FA58B90E22-16C8-ABB@mblk-d22.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9FD9837A8AFF461CBEE5C367B2E5271B@lorto720> My local dealer and I discussed this recently. Since CTI does not sell the igniters directly, what should we do when one fails? He is going to talk with them about this. It would be nice if there was a 6 pack available in case of situations like this. They obviously do fail sometimes. Len -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of jjcllc03 at aol.com Sent: July 13, 2009 10:56 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Fwd: Desert Heat images uploaded.... -----Original Message----- From: jjcllc03 at aol.com To: fred.azinger at intel.com Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:55 am Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Fred is right about the igniters that were involved.? Unfortunately, the Cesaroni igniter didn't work even when it was in contact with the pellet, so their system isn't as "robust" as they may believe.??Anyway, thanks for your input, Dietrich. Jack From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Jul 12 09:49:33 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:49:33 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttle Endeavour Launch (STS-127), Sunday, 12JUL09/1613 PDT, 1913EDT Message-ID: <4A5A141D.7070205@earthlink.net> --------------------------- http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090712/sc_nm/us_space_shuttle NASA fuels space shuttle Endeavour for launch By Irene Klotz ? 2 hrs 2 mins ago (excerpt) CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida (Reuters) ? Hoping to end a string of delays, NASA will try to launch the space shuttle Endeavour on Sunday on a mission to deliver the last piece of Japan's Kibo laboratory to the International Space Station. Liftoff is scheduled for 7:13 p.m. EDT from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Forecasters predicted a 70 percent chance the weather would be suitable for launch. NASA canceled Saturday's launch attempt after a spate of lightning strikes near the shuttle's launch pad. Engineers spent the day checking the spaceship's electrical systems and other equipment to make sure there was no damage. NASA managers met early Sunday to review the engineers' findings and cleared the shuttle for flight. ---------------------------- STS-127 (ISS assembly flight 2J/A) is the next space shuttle mission to the International Space Station (ISS). It will be the 23rd flight of Space Shuttle Endeavour, and is scheduled to launch on July 12, 2009 at 4:13PM PDT (23:13 UTC) and return not earlier than July 28, 2009. The first launch attempt on June 13, 2009 was scrubbed due to a gaseous hydrogen leak observed during tanking. The Ground Umbilical Carrier Plate on the external fuel tank experienced a potentially hazardous hydrogen gas leak similar to the fault that delayed the Space Shuttle Discovery, mission STS-119 in March 2009. Since a launch date of June 18, 2009 would have conflicted with the launch of the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO)/Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS), NASA managers discussed the conflict issues with both the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter project, as well as the Air Force Eastern Range that provides tracking support for rockets launched from Florida, and looked at options for launching the shuttle, without affecting the LRO project significantly. The second launch attempt on June 17, 2009 was also scrubbed due to hydrogen leak issues seen from the GUCP. A tanking test performed on July 1, 2009 with a modified system led to no leaks being detected. The primary purpose of the STS-127 mission is to deliver and install the final two components of the Japanese Experiment Module: the Exposed Facility (JEM EF), and the Exposed Section of the Experiment Logistics Module (ELM-ES). Mission Statistics Mission name: STS-127 Space shuttle: Endeavour Spacecraft mass: TBD Launch pad: LC-39A Launch date: July 12, 04:13 p.m. PDT (11:13 UTC) Landing: Not Earlier Than July 28 Mission duration: 16 days Number of orbits planned: 248 Orbital period: 94 mins. Orbital altitude: 356 km (221 nautical miles) Orbital inclination: 51.6 degrees Crew Commander: Mark L. Polansky (Third spaceflight) Pilot: Douglas G. Hurley (First spaceflight) Mission Specialist 1: Christopher J. Cassidy (First spaceflight, EVA#3) Mission Specialist 2: Julie Payette, CSA (Second spaceflight, Flight Engineer) Mission Specialist 3: Thomas H. Marshburn (First spaceflight, EVA#4) Mission Specialist 4: David Wolf (Fourth spaceflight, Lead Spacewalker EVA#1) Mission Specialist 5: Timothy Kopra (ISS Expedition 20, First spaceflight, EVA#2) Koichi Wakata (JAXA, ISS Expedition 20, Third spaceflight) The mission marks 158th American manned space flight 127th shuttle mission since STS-1 23rd flight of Endeavour 29th shuttle mission to the ISS 102nd post-Challenger mission 14th post-Columbia mission First time thirteen people will be on the ISS (most people ever on one spacecraft at one time) STS-127 will carry the 500th person to space STS-127 will mark the first time that two Canadian astronauts, Robert Thirsk and Julie Payette, are in space at the same time. This mission is the fourth to the last of the Space Shuttle missions before they are retired from service. Twitter Page STS-127: http://twitter.com/STS127 NASA's: https://twitter.com/nasa Mark Polansky's: https://twitter.com/Astro_127 SpaceFlight Now: http://twitter.com/spaceflightnow/ Websites: NASA's Space Shuttle page: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/index.html NASA' STS-127 page: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts127/index.html SpaceFlight Now, Live Mission Updates: http://spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts127/status.html Space.com Launch and Mission Coverage: http://www.space.com/spaceshuttle/ Watching the Launch http://www.fromil.com/tv/index.php?radio=5 http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html http://www.floridatoday.com/content/blogs/space/livenasatv.shtml http://www.floridatoday.com/content/multimedia/space/livenasamediafeed.html Live Web Cams at Kennedy Space Center and Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida and Vandenburg AFB in California. http://www.floridatoday.com/content/maps/spacewebcams.shtml Tracking the Shuttle and the ISS http://heavens-above.com/ http://www.n2yo.com/ http://spaceweather.com/flybys/ http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/ Videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqQkEqMJoOw STS 127 Endeavour Crew Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e16eXXAoisg Shuttle Commander To Take Video Questions In Space (Post your question on YouTube and send the link to his Twitter account) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA2341yukeI STS-127 Endeavour Rollover from the Orbiter Processing Facility (OPF) the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vfdvomWcfA Hoisting Endeavour next to the External Tank. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew2aNhXPqNU Endeavour's roll out to Launch Pad 39B. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHgBEUxaDZY STS-127 Post Flight Readiness Review Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ8C4PCxN9c STS 127 Pre Launch Briefing (11JUN09) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZyylxkQ-uc STS-127 Spacewalk Overview Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R-gRAcepC4 STS-127 EVA#1 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FguRQd_aSM STS-127 EVA#2 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFOKv8Mhy70 STS-127 EVA#3 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m36Ajqk5y0o STS-127 EVA #4 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjHOzKjMw7w STS-127 EVA #5 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZUauMdwHlc NASA STS-127 EVAs Question and Answer From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Jul 12 10:08:42 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:08:42 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX Falcon 1 Flight 5 Launch, Monday, 13JUL09/1600 PDT, 2300UTC Message-ID: <4A5A189A.7070402@earthlink.net> Hawthorne, California ? June 1, 2009 ? Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX) and Astronautic Technology (M) Sdn Bhd (ATSB) of Malaysia announce a new launch window has been set for Falcon 1 Flight 5, carrying the RazakSAT satellite to orbit. The launch window opens Monday, July 13th and extends through Tuesday, July 14th, with a daily window to open at 4:00 p.m. (PDT) / 7:00 p.m. (EDT). The launch was delayed last month after SpaceX identified the potential for an unfavorable interaction between the satellite and the launch vehicle. After further analysis, SpaceX determined the implementation of a simple vibration isolation system would address this concern. SpaceX selected the SoftRide isolation system from CSA Engineering for this purpose, citing the system's strong flight heritage and established success in addressing vibration concerns. Falcon 1, a two-stage, liquid oxygen/rocket-grade kerosene vehicle designed from the ground up by SpaceX, will place the RazakSAT satellite, equipped with a high resolution Medium-Sized Aperture Camera (MAC), into a near equatorial orbit. RazakSAT was designed and built by ATSB, a pioneer and leader in the design and manufacture of satellites in Malaysia. The satellite is expected to provide high resolution images of Malaysia that can be applied to land management, resource development and conservation, forestry and fish migration. SpaceX's Falcon 1 launch site is located approximately 2500 miles southwest of Hawaii on Omelek Island, part of the Reagan Test Site (RTS) at United States Army Kwajalein Atoll (USAKA) in the Central Pacific. Due to the location of the launch site, the Kwajalein local date at the opening of the launch window will be Tuesday, July 14th. SpaceX will provide live coverage of the Falcon 1 Flight 5/RazakSAT mission via webcast at www.SpaceX.com. The webcast will begin 20 minutes prior to launch and will include mission briefings, live feeds and launch coverage from the launch site. Post-launch, video footage and photos will be available for download on the web site. -------------------------- Video interview with Elon Musk (CEO of SpaceX) about going to Mars.by 2020. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn7obiurdxg Elon Musk Talks About The SpaceX Revolution http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPnSKmmAHDk CNN news video article about SpaceX http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/2009/02/08/finnstrom.space.x.blasts.off.cnn?iref=videosearch From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Jul 12 10:18:05 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:18:05 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Guinness offers drinkers chance to win space flight Message-ID: <4A5A1ACD.8030304@earthlink.net> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5704446/Guinness-offers-drinkers-chance-to-win-space-flight.html Guinness offers drinkers chance to win space flight Guinness has launched a competition offering drinkers the chance to win a trip into space aboard Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic spacecraft. Published: 7:00AM BST 01 Jul 2009 The brewer is putting three once-in-a-lifetime experiences up for grabs themed on the colour of its famous black stout beer. To mark its 250 years in business, the company is sending one winner into space, another to the depths of the ocean, and a third to an exclusive Black Eyed Peas concert. A Guinness spokeswoman said: "Since 1759, Arthur Guinness and the Guinness brand have been behind some remarkable and hugely momentous achievements. "To continue this legacy and as part of the 250 celebrations, Guinness is giving something back to supporters around the world." The competition is open to adults in 28 countries at its website www.guinness.com until the 250-year anniversary on September 24 ? dubbed Arthur's Day. The Guinness space experience gives one person the chance to become one of the first non-professional astronauts to venture into space with Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic, the world's first commercial spaceline. After training in New Mexico at the Virgin Galactic's home at Spaceport America, the winner will take a flight through the Earth's atmosphere at almost 2,500mph ? three times the speed of sound. Sitting 68 miles above the Earth's surface, they will experience the feeling of weightlessness before they view Earth from the blackness of space. To enter the contest go to: www.guinness.com From whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 12:45:09 2009 From: whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com (Dietrich Podmajersky) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:45:09 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Fwd: Desert Heat images uploaded.... In-Reply-To: <8CBD1FA58B90E22-16C8-ABB@mblk-d22.sysops.aol.com> References: <664405280.999411247503359863.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <8CBD1FA3C9B4A5A-16C8-AAB@mblk-d22.sysops.aol.com> <8CBD1FA58B90E22-16C8-ABB@mblk-d22.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: For the record I was not making any statement about the quality of "the system". I just figured I'd share the link to another data point for this behavior that I had run across, in the hopes that others might find it useful. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:56 AM, wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: jjcllc03 at aol.com > To: fred.azinger at intel.com > Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:55 am > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... > Fred is right about the igniters that were involved. Unfortunately, the > Cesaroni igniter didn't work even when it was in contact with the pellet, so > their system isn't as "robust" as they may believe. Anyway, thanks for your > input, Dietrich. > Jack > -----Original Message----- > From: Azinger, Fred < mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com > > > To: Dietrich Podmajersky < mailto:whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com > whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com > > > Cc: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > > > Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:42 am > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... > BINGO..... Jack's first attempt didn't fire -- he need to re-cycle. The > match did pop, but failed to light. He replaced it with a FatBoy that will > light just about anything, just not always the right location.......learn > something new every launch.........just wish some lessons were not so > expensive. Thx for solving the mystery. FredA -------------- next part -------------- For the record I was not making any statement about the quality of "the system".? ? I just figured I'd share the link to another data point for this behavior that I had run across, in the hopes that others might find it useful. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:56 AM, < mailto:jjcllc03 at aol.com jjcllc03 at aol.com > wrote: -----Original Message----- From: mailto:jjcllc03 at aol.com jjcllc03 at aol.com To: mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:55 am Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Fred is right about the igniters that were involved.? Unfortunately, the Cesaroni igniter didn't work even when it was in contact with the pellet, so their system isn't as "robust" as they may believe.??Anyway, thanks for your input, Dietrich. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Azinger, Fred < mailto: mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com > To: Dietrich Podmajersky < mailto: mailto:whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com mailto:whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com > Cc: mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com < mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:42 am Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... BINGO..... ? Jack's first attempt didn't fire -- he need to re-cycle. The match did pop, but failed to light. He replaced it with a FatBoy that will light just about anything, just not always the right location.......learn something new every launch.........just wish some lessons were not so expensive. Thx for solving the mystery. FredA?? From Jjcllc03 at aol.com Mon Jul 13 15:47:29 2009 From: Jjcllc03 at aol.com (Jjcllc03 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:47:29 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Fwd: Desert Heat images uploaded.... Message-ID: I didn't mean to imply that you were making any statement about the quality of CTI's system. I just wanted to add for the record that the CTI igniter had failed and that the Quickburst igniter wasn't the first option. And I appreciate the other data point and hope that the info will help avoid future incidents like what had happened to me happening to anyone else. At this point, I'm looking at this from a quality control/performance improvement standpoint and hope others will do the same. Thanks, Dietrich! :) Jack In a message dated 7/13/2009 12:45:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com writes: For the record I was not making any statement about the quality of "the system". I just figured I'd share the link to another data point for this behavior that I had run across, in the hopes that others might find it useful. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:56 AM, <_jjcllc03 at aol.com_ (mailto:jjcllc03 at aol.com) > wrote: -----Original Message----- From: _jjcllc03 at aol.com_ (mailto:jjcllc03 at aol.com) To: _fred.azinger at intel.com_ (mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com) Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:55 am Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Fred is right about the igniters that were involved. Unfortunately, the Cesaroni igniter didn't work even when it was in contact with the pellet, so their system isn't as "robust" as they may believe. Anyway, thanks for your input, Dietrich. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Azinger, Fred < mailto:_fred.azinger at intel.com_ (mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com) _fred.azinger at intel.com_ (mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com) > To: Dietrich Podmajersky < mailto:_whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com_ (mailto:whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com) _whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com_ (mailto:whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com) > Cc: mailto:_rockets at rocketsnw.com_ (mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com) _rockets at rocketsnw.com_ (mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com) < mailto:_rockets at rocketsnw.com_ (mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com) _rockets at rocketsnw.com_ (mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com) > Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:42 am Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... BINGO..... Jack's first attempt didn't fire -- he need to re-cycle. The match did pop, but failed to light. He replaced it with a FatBoy that will light just about anything, just not always the right location.......learn something new every launch.........just wish some lessons were not so expensive. Thx for solving the mystery. FredA **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) -------------- next part -------------- I didn't mean to imply that you were making any statement about the quality of CTI's system.? I just wanted to add for the record that the CTI igniter had failed and that the Quickburst igniter wasn't the first option.? And I appreciate the other data point and hope that the info will help avoid future incidents like what had happened to me happening to anyone else.? At this point, I'm looking at this from a quality control/performance improvement standpoint and hope others will do the same.? Thanks, Dietrich! :) ? Jack ? In a message dated 7/13/2009 12:45:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com writes: For the record I was not making any statement about the quality of "the system".? ? I just figured I'd share the link to another data point for this behavior that I had run across, in the hopes that others might find it useful. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:56 AM, < mailto:jjcllc03 at aol.com jjcllc03 at aol.com > wrote: -----Original Message----- From: mailto:jjcllc03 at aol.com jjcllc03 at aol.com To: mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:55 am Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Fred is right about the igniters that were involved.? Unfortunately, the Cesaroni igniter didn't work even when it was in contact with the pellet, so their system isn't as "robust" as they may believe.??Anyway, thanks for your input, Dietrich. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Azinger, Fred < mailto: mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com > To: Dietrich Podmajersky < mailto: mailto:whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com mailto:whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com > Cc: mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com < mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:42 am Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... BINGO..... ? Jack's first attempt didn't fire -- he need to re-cycle. The match did pop, but failed to light. He replaced it with a FatBoy that will light just about anything, just not always the right location.......learn something new every launch.........just wish some lessons were not so expensive. Thx for solving the mystery. FredA?? Looking for love this summer? http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003 Find it now on AOL Personals . From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Jul 13 18:56:08 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:56:08 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Message-ID: That is interesting indeed. Especially since I go out of my way not to ignite my EX motors from the very top. I really am surprised that the flame does not propagate all of the way up the core and light the pellet. Mike F. In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:42:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com writes: If you insist on using a homemade pyrogen-dipped igniter, think about this first: we recently precisely reproduced an unusual failure of a Pro38? J class reload. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- That is interesting indeed.? Especially since I go out of my way not to ignite my EX motors from the very top.? I really am surprised that the flame does not propagate all of the way up the core and light the pellet. ? Mike F. ? In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:42:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com writes: If you insist on using a homemade pyrogen-dipped igniter, think about this first: we recently precisely reproduced an unusual failure of a Pro38? J class reload. An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From raystoner99 at comcast.net Mon Jul 13 20:28:02 2009 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:28:02 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004101ca0433$18abdcc0$4a039640$@net> Ok, here goes...remember that this is from a relative newbie with regards to research motors... I think the reason a motor burns so slowly when ignited from the bottom is due to several things. 1. Most propellant doesn't ignite easily due to radiant heat, it must be in contact with flame to ignite. 2. There is no pressure in the motor. So, we have ignition at the bottom of the motor. There is no pressure in the motor and the gasses have no place to go but out the nozzle. The burning gasses can't go toward the forward bulkhead because that would increase pressure in the motor, they take the path of least resistance and go out the nozzle. There aren't enough gasses to pressurize the motor yet. The only propellant that will burn is close to or in contact with the flame front. The radiant heat of the burning surface isn't enough to ignite enough propellant surface area that the motor builds pressure. If or when the motor begins to build pressure, the burning gasses can travel toward the forward bulkhead and ignite more surface area, that builds more pressure, that allows the gasses to travel further forward in the motor...until it reaches stasis... I could be completely off base here, but it makes sense in my mind. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:56 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... That is interesting indeed. Especially since I go out of my way not to ignite my EX motors from the very top. I really am surprised that the flame does not propagate all of the way up the core and light the pellet. Mike F. In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:42:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com writes: If you insist on using a homemade pyrogen-dipped igniter, think about this first: we recently precisely reproduced an unusual failure of a Pro38R J class reload. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) From jackhydrazine at earthlink.net Mon Jul 13 20:31:49 2009 From: jackhydrazine at earthlink.net (Jack Hydrazine) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:31:49 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX launch at 8:36 pm PDT Message-ID: <4A5BFC25.1020204@earthlink.net> Video here. http://www.astrospacenow.com/f1.php http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php Spaceflight Now mission status center http://www.spaceflightnow.com/falcon/005/status.html From fred_bare at yahoo.com Mon Jul 13 20:25:46 2009 From: fred_bare at yahoo.com (Fred Bare) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX Falcon 1 IS LAUNCHING Message-ID: <478990.31114.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> SpaceX is launching in about 10 minutes. http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php -------------- next part -------------- SpaceX is launching in about 10 minutes. http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php http://www.spac ex.com/webcast.p hp From bjarchow at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 20:48:29 2009 From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:48:29 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX Falcon 1 IS LAUNCHING In-Reply-To: <478990.31114.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <478990.31114.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The rocket made it into a parking orbit. Let's hope everything works properly on the second burn. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Fred Bare wrote: > SpaceX is launching in about 10 minutes. > http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php > > -------------- next part -------------- On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Fred Bare < mailto:fred_bare at yahoo.com fred_bare at yahoo.com > wrote: SpaceX is launching in about 10 minutes. http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php http://www.spac http://www.spac http://ex.com/webcast.p%0Ahp ex.com/webcast.php From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 21:05:55 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:05:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... References: <004101ca0433$18abdcc0$4a039640$@net> Message-ID: <89AD0CA639844CF185E9C5CD684C8C6F@LaptopKrausert> If I suspected anything, I'd vote moisture. Maybe the reload came to the June launch, but not used. Then at 4500 feet and the weather... Once he went home, back to 150 feet MSL the small hole in the bag of the reload vacuumed in and absorbed the moisture. Or the delivery picked up moisture. Basically, I believe the grains had moisture infused issues. No matter what, including my guess - CTI owes Jack a replacement reload. Truly too bad about the fin can damage. When ever I hear about CTI, they either rock or chuff. I'll say, I hear they "rock" term 95%+ of the time. But CTI owes a reload. If the reload bag had a hole... was at the june launch (150 MSL to 4500 MSL with moisture and back home to 150 MSL)... My guess would be way to much moisture in the AP grains. The first ignitor go it warmed up, the second got the grain lit. Jee.. I'm only guessing. I didn't have my head inside the reload during the burn. But if was at Bro's in June and had a hole in the bag, moisture could be potential. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. Raymond Stoner" To: ; Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... > Ok, here goes...remember that this is from a relative newbie with regards > to > research motors... > > I think the reason a motor burns so slowly when ignited from the bottom is > due to several things. > > 1. Most propellant doesn't ignite easily due to radiant heat, it must be > in > contact with flame to ignite. > 2. There is no pressure in the motor. > > So, we have ignition at the bottom of the motor. There is no pressure in > the motor and the gasses have no place to go but out the nozzle. The > burning gasses can't go toward the forward bulkhead because that would > increase pressure in the motor, they take the path of least resistance and > go out the nozzle. There aren't enough gasses to pressurize the motor > yet. > The only propellant that will burn is close to or in contact with the > flame > front. The radiant heat of the burning surface isn't enough to ignite > enough propellant surface area that the motor builds pressure. If or when > the motor begins to build pressure, the burning gasses can travel toward > the > forward bulkhead and ignite more surface area, that builds more pressure, > that allows the gasses to travel further forward in the motor...until it > reaches stasis... > > I could be completely off base here, but it makes sense in my mind. > > Ray > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:56 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... > > That is interesting indeed. Especially since I go out of my way not to > ignite my EX motors from the very top. I really am surprised that the > flame does not propagate all of the way up the core and light the pellet. > > Mike F. > > > In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:42:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com writes: > > If you insist on using a homemade pyrogen-dipped igniter, think about > this > first: we recently precisely reproduced an unusual failure of a Pro38R J > class reload. > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=htt > p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > yExcfooterNO62) > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 21:22:58 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:22:58 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX Falcon 1 IS LAUNCHING References: <478990.31114.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0BD49873461A4646A623926B55BE4548@LaptopKrausert> How many people are in the rocket? Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Jarchow" To: Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] SpaceX Falcon 1 IS LAUNCHING > The rocket made it into a parking orbit. Let's hope everything works > properly on the second burn. > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Fred Bare wrote: > >> SpaceX is launching in about 10 minutes. >> http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php >> http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From rmoscoe at msn.com Mon Jul 13 21:40:01 2009 From: rmoscoe at msn.com (Gwen Moscoe) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:40:01 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX Falcon 1 IS LAUNCHING In-Reply-To: <0BD49873461A4646A623926B55BE4548@LaptopKrausert> References: <478990.31114.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0BD49873461A4646A623926B55BE4548@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: None this time. Several years from now, 7 possible. http://www.spacex.com/dragon.php -------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Krausert" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:22 PM To: "Brian Jarchow" ; Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] SpaceX Falcon 1 IS LAUNCHING > How many people are in the rocket? > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Jarchow" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] SpaceX Falcon 1 IS LAUNCHING > > >> The rocket made it into a parking orbit. Let's hope everything works >> properly on the second burn. >> >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Fred Bare wrote: >> >>> SpaceX is launching in about 10 minutes. >>> http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php >>> http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php >>> >>> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From jhadv at pacifier.com Mon Jul 13 21:50:13 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3493.76.105.138.130.1247547013.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> I don't believe there ever was an igniter pellet present. A pyrodex (or KNO3 + S + C load) are famously easy to ignite. No way a pellet did not ignite with a flame front at the nozzle. The convection alone would have done it as evidenced by CTI's own bragging about how their motors light with a standard e-match less than 2 inches into the motor. From sb at berfield.com Mon Jul 13 22:07:24 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:07:24 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Message-ID: That seems possible, but in my admittedly limited experience, there is quite a flash of a flame front at ignition. I guess if enough non-burning gas fills the chamber at the moment of ignition, it could overpressure the top and prevent flame from propagating upward - but it seems like it would take a pretty weird circumstance to manage to keep the pyrogen from lighting even if the propellant doesn't initially. But I freely admit most everyone here knows more than me! And of course, to the point of the system working -- it usually does but doesn't always, so some method to obtain the proper ematches from Cesaroni or a statement from them certifying other types as being appropriate. Otherwise, it is inevitable that folks will need to use other igniters. And it is understandable that if an ematch fails to light it they would go to something hotter. -----Original Message----- From: W. Raymond Stoner [mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 08:28 PM To: Mfreptiles at aol.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Ok, here goes...remember that this is from a relative newbie with regards to research motors... I think the reason a motor burns so slowly when ignited from the bottom is due to several things. 1. Most propellant doesn't ignite easily due to radiant heat, it must be in contact with flame to ignite. 2. There is no pressure in the motor. So, we have ignition at the bottom of the motor. There is no pressure in the motor and the gasses have no place to go but out the nozzle. The burning gasses can't go toward the forward bulkhead because that would increase pressure in the motor, they take the path of least resistance and go out the nozzle. There aren't enough gasses to pressurize the motor yet. The only propellant that will burn is close to or in contact with the flame front. The radiant heat of the burning surface isn't enough to ignite enough propellant surface area that the motor builds pressure. If or when the motor begins to build pressure, the burning gasses can travel toward the forward bulkhead and ignite more surface area, that builds more pressure, that allows the gasses to travel further forward in the motor...until it reaches stasis... I could be completely off base here, but it makes sense in my mind. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:56 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... That is interesting indeed. Especially since I go out of my way not to ignite my EX motors from the very top. I really am surprised that the flame does not propagate all of the way up the core and light the pellet. Mike F. In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:42:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com writes: If you insist on using a homemade pyrogen-dipped igniter, think about this first: we recently precisely reproduced an unusual failure of a Pro38R J class reload. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- That seems possible, but in my admittedly limited experience, there is quite a flash of a flame front at ignition. I guess if enough non-burning gas fills the chamber at the moment of ignition, it could overpressure the top and prevent flame from propagating upward - but it seems like it would take a pretty weird circumstance to manage to keep the pyrogen from lighting even if the propellant doesn't initially. ? But I freely admit most everyone here knows more than me! ? And of course, to the point of the system working -- it usually does but doesn't always, so some method to obtain the proper ematches from Cesaroni or a statement from them certifying other types as being appropriate. Otherwise, it is inevitable that folks will need to use other igniters. And it is understandable that if an ematch fails to light it they would go to something hotter. -----Original Message----- From: W. Raymond Stoner [mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 08:28 PM To: Mfreptiles at aol.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Ok, here goes...remember that this is from a relative newbie with regards to research motors... I think the reason a motor burns so slowly when ignited from the bottom is due to several things. 1. Most propellant doesn't ignite easily due to radiant heat, it must be in contact with flame to ignite. 2. There is no pressure in the motor. So, we have ignition at the bottom of the motor. There is no pressure in the motor and the gasses have no place to go but out the nozzle. The burning gasses can't go toward the forward bulkhead because that would increase pressure in the motor, they take the path of least resistance and go out the nozzle. There aren't enough gasses to pressurize the motor yet. The only propellant that will burn is close to or in contact with the flame front. The radiant heat of the burning surface isn't enough to ignite enough propellant surface area that the motor builds pressure. If or when the motor begins to build pressure, the burning gasses can travel toward the forward bulkhead and ignite more surface area, that builds more pressure, that allows the gasses to travel further forward in the motor...until it reaches stasis... I could be completely off base here, but it makes sense in my mind. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:56 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... That is interesting indeed. Especially since I go out of my way not to ignite my EX motors from the very top. I really am surprised that the flame does not propagate all of the way up the core and light the pellet. Mike F. In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:42:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com writes: If you insist on using a homemade pyrogen-dipped igniter, think about this first: we recently precisely reproduced an unusual failure of a Pro38R J class reload. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From Jjcllc03 at aol.com Mon Jul 13 23:43:24 2009 From: Jjcllc03 at aol.com (Jjcllc03 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:43:24 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... Message-ID: Nice theory, Bob...unfortunately, it wasn't at Brothers in June. The reload was shipped to me from Colorado about a week and a half before the July launch. The reload was packaged in its container and was completely sealed in the pink plastic bag that CTI uses for its reloads. I only removed it from its packaging on Sunday during our launch. Of course, that doesn't mean that moisture somehow was in the reload either when it was shipped from Colorado to Oregon or from CTI's factory to Colorado. Be that as it may, I think they owe me a lot more than a replacement load! :) Jack (planning the Nike's rise from the dead even as we speak!) In a message dated 7/13/2009 9:06:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: If I suspected anything, I'd vote moisture. Maybe the reload came to the June launch, but not used. Then at 4500 feet and the weather... Once he went home, back to 150 feet MSL the small hole in the bag of the reload vacuumed in and absorbed the moisture. Or the delivery picked up moisture. Basically, I believe the grains had moisture infused issues. No matter what, including my guess - CTI owes Jack a replacement reload. Truly too bad about the fin can damage. When ever I hear about CTI, they either rock or chuff. I'll say, I hear they "rock" term 95%+ of the time. But CTI owes a reload. If the reload bag had a hole... was at the june launch (150 MSL to 4500 MSL with moisture and back home to 150 MSL)... My guess would be way to much moisture in the AP grains. The first ignitor go it warmed up, the second got the grain lit. Jee.. I'm only guessing. I didn't have my head inside the reload during the burn. But if was at Bro's in June and had a hole in the bag, moisture could be potential. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. Raymond Stoner" To: ; Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... > Ok, here goes...remember that this is from a relative newbie with regards > to > research motors... > > I think the reason a motor burns so slowly when ignited from the bottom is > due to several things. > > 1. Most propellant doesn't ignite easily due to radiant heat, it must be > in > contact with flame to ignite. > 2. There is no pressure in the motor. > > So, we have ignition at the bottom of the motor. There is no pressure in > the motor and the gasses have no place to go but out the nozzle. The > burning gasses can't go toward the forward bulkhead because that would > increase pressure in the motor, they take the path of least resistance and > go out the nozzle. There aren't enough gasses to pressurize the motor > yet. > The only propellant that will burn is close to or in contact with the > flame > front. The radiant heat of the burning surface isn't enough to ignite > enough propellant surface area that the motor builds pressure. If or when > the motor begins to build pressure, the burning gasses can travel toward > the > forward bulkhead and ignite more surface area, that builds more pressure, > that allows the gasses to travel further forward in the motor...until it > reaches stasis... > > I could be completely off base here, but it makes sense in my mind. > > Ray > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:56 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... > > That is interesting indeed. Especially since I go out of my way not to > ignite my EX motors from the very top. I really am surprised that the > flame does not propagate all of the way up the core and light the pellet. > > Mike F. > > > In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:42:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com writes: > > If you insist on using a homemade pyrogen-dipped igniter, think about > this > first: we recently precisely reproduced an unusual failure of a Pro38R J > class reload. > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=htt > p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > yExcfooterNO62) > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) -------------- next part -------------- Nice theory, Bob...unfortunately, it wasn't at Brothers in June.? The reload was shipped to me from Colorado about a week and a half before the July launch.? The reload was packaged in its container and was completely sealed in the pink plastic bag that CTI uses for its reloads.? I only removed it from its packaging on Sunday during our launch.? ? Of course, that doesn't mean that moisture somehow was in the reload either when it was shipped from Colorado to Oregon or from CTI's factory to Colorado.? Be that as it may, I think they owe me a lot more than a replacement load! :) ? Jack (planning the Nike's rise from the dead even as we speak!) ? In a message dated 7/13/2009 9:06:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: If I suspected anything, I'd vote moisture. Maybe the reload came to the June launch, but not used. Then at 4500 feet and the weather... Once he went home, back to 150 feet MSL the small hole in the bag of the reload vacuumed in and absorbed the moisture. Or the delivery picked up moisture. Basically, I believe the grains had moisture infused issues. No matter what, including my guess - CTI owes Jack a replacement reload. Truly too bad about the fin can damage. When ever I hear about CTI, they either rock or chuff. I'll say, I hear they "rock" term 95%+ of the time. But CTI owes a reload. If the reload bag had a hole... was at the june launch (150 MSL to 4500 MSL with moisture and back home to 150 MSL)... My guess would be way to much moisture in the AP grains. The first ignitor go it warmed up, the second got the grain lit. Jee.. I'm only guessing. I didn't have my head inside the reload during the burn. But if was at Bro's in June and had a hole in the bag, moisture could be potential. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. Raymond Stoner" To: ; Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... > Ok, here goes...remember that this is from a relative newbie with regards > to > research motors... > > I think the reason a motor burns so slowly when ignited from the bottom is > due to several things. > > 1.? Most propellant doesn't ignite easily due to radiant heat, it must be > in > contact with flame to ignite. > 2.? There is no pressure in the motor. > > So, we have ignition at the bottom of the motor.? There is no pressure in > the motor and the gasses have no place to go but out the nozzle.? The > burning gasses can't go toward the forward bulkhead because that would > increase pressure in the motor, they take the path of least resistance and > go out the nozzle.? There aren't enough gasses to pressurize the motor > yet. > The only propellant that will burn is close to or in contact with the > flame > front.? The radiant heat of the burning surface isn't enough to ignite > enough propellant surface area that the motor builds pressure.? If or when > the motor begins to build pressure, the burning gasses can travel toward > the > forward bulkhead and ignite more surface area, that builds more pressure, > that allows the gasses to travel further forward in the motor...until it > reaches stasis... > > I could be completely off base here, but it makes sense in my mind. > > Ray > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:56 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Heat images uploaded.... > > That is interesting indeed.? Especially since I go out of my way not? to > ignite my EX motors from the very top.? I really am surprised that the > flame does not propagate all of the way up the core and light the pellet. > > Mike F. > > > In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:42:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com writes: > > If you? insist on using a homemade pyrogen-dipped igniter, think about > this > first:? we recently precisely reproduced an unusual failure of a Pro38R J > class? reload. > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=htt > p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > yExcfooterNO62) > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? Looking for love this summer? http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003 Find it now on AOL Personals . From absworld at cet.com Tue Jul 14 09:19:47 2009 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:19:47 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] MAWD info Message-ID: <008101ca049e$e7eb45a0$b7c1d0e0$@com> I learned something 'new' about MAWD's that I thought I'd pass on. On older units (I have firmware 1.0/software 1.0 (which counts as old;-)), If power is interrupted during data collection, the unit will stop overwriting the last flights data . When you download flight data, you'll get current data up to where the power is interrupted then 'jump' to whatever data was stored from the previous flight. The latest firmware will report an even 20,000 if/when it experiences a power drop out. Bob Yanecek -------------- next part -------------- I learned something ???new??? about MAWD???s that I thought I???d pass on. ? On older units (I have firmware 1.0/software 1.0 (which counts as old;-)), If power is interrupted during data collection, the unit will stop overwriting the last flights data . When you download flight data, you???ll get current data up to where the power is interrupted then ???jump??? to whatever data was stored from the previous flight. ? The latest firmware will report an even 20,000 if/when it experiences a power drop out. ? Bob Yanecek -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date: 07/14/09 05:56:00 From fred_bare at yahoo.com Tue Jul 14 19:26:48 2009 From: fred_bare at yahoo.com (Fred Bare) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] SUMMER THUNDER at 60 Acres (NEED PSP STUFF?) Message-ID: <259452.48799.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If anyone attending the Summer Thunder Launch will need anything that Puget Sound Propulsion carries (Cases, motor or reloads) , please let me know and I will arrange with Bill and Dave to bring them to the launch.? I would like to thank them (PSP) in setting this up for all of us and the support that they show for the rocketeers in the NW. Greg Wilson Roadside Hobbies 253-961-4397 roadside_hobbies at yahoo.com or fred_bare at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- If anyone attending the Summer Thunder Launch will need anything that Puget Sound Propulsion carries (Cases, motor or reloads) , please let me know and I will arrange with Bill and Dave to bring them to the launch.? I would like to thank them (PSP) in setting this up for all of us and the support that they show for the rocketeers in the NW. Greg Wilson Roadside Hobbies 253-961-4397 roadside_hobbies at yahoo.com or fred_bare at yahoo.com From greg at bigredbee.com Tue Jul 14 21:50:11 2009 From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:50:11 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 54mm CF tubing Message-ID: So, after I shredded my last 54mm min diameter rocket, I'm in the mood for rebuilding. I need some 54mm carbon fiber airframe. Anyone have any recommendations / preferences? Hawk Mountain? Performance Rocketry (assuming I can get it...) ? Other sources? I need about 5 feet, perhaps 4. My goal would be to put a 54mm L in it some day......... -- Greg From MartyWeiser at comcast.net Tue Jul 14 22:15:15 2009 From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty Weiser) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:15:15 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 54mm CF tubing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002401ca050b$3d989770$b8c9c650$@net> Don't forget roll your own. - Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:50 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] 54mm CF tubing So, after I shredded my last 54mm min diameter rocket, I'm in the mood for rebuilding. I need some 54mm carbon fiber airframe. Anyone have any recommendations / preferences? Hawk Mountain? Performance Rocketry (assuming I can get it...) ? Other sources? I need about 5 feet, perhaps 4. My goal would be to put a 54mm L in it some day......... -- Greg _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jackhydrazine at earthlink.net Tue Jul 14 22:25:39 2009 From: jackhydrazine at earthlink.net (Jack Hydrazine) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:25:39 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Apollo 11 Moon Landing, Thursday, 16JUL09 Message-ID: <4A5D6853.1010906@earthlink.net> On Thursday, you can watch online in real time, 40 years later real time, the launch of Apollo 11 and the moonwalk by Michael Jackson....er, I mean Neil Armstrong. http://wechoosethemoon.org/ From terry at mooreread.com Wed Jul 15 13:53:34 2009 From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:53:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttle Endeavour Launch (STS-127), Sunday, 12JUL09/1613 PDT, 1913EDT In-Reply-To: <4A5A141D.7070205@earthlink.net> References: <4A5A141D.7070205@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <952979E1-58BC-4584-82AC-5152969BED1A@mooreread.com> Looks like it might actually launch in a bit over an hour - weather is cooperating so far. On Jul 12, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Hammer wrote: > --------------------------- > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090712/sc_nm/us_space_shuttle > NASA fuels space shuttle Endeavour for launch > By Irene Klotz ? 2 hrs 2 mins ago -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lukins & Annis, P.S. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or privileged material, and is intended solely for use by the above referenced recipient. Any review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the recipient, and believe that you have received this in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received. Thank You! -------------- next part -------------- Looks like it might actually launch in a bit over an hour - weather is cooperating so far. On Jul 12, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Hammer wrote: --------------------------- http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090712/sc_nm/us_space_shuttle http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090712/sc_nm/us_space_shuttle NASA fuels space shuttle Endeavour for launch By Irene Klotz ? 2 hrs 2 mins ago -- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lukins & Annis, P.S. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or privileged material, and is intended solely for use by the above referenced recipient. Any review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the recipient, and believe that you have received this in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received. Thank You! From jim at discountrocketry.com Wed Jul 15 17:30:42 2009 From: jim at discountrocketry.com (Jim Myres) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:30:42 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] High Power Motor Availability at Aeronaut Message-ID: <20090716003041.WIBP28095.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Dear, Rockets North West! Attached is the list of High Power motors available at Discount Rocketry that will be available at the Aeronaut Launch at Blackrock. We require only a copy of your NAR or Tripoli Certification card with certification level on file. Please place your orders as soon as possible. The list will be first come first serve. if you request motors that already purchased or reserved for the launch, we will contact you to see if we have any substitutions that will work for you. Please leave a phone number on your email request so we can contact you to arrange substitutions. You can also call me at (760) 224-0950 to reserve your motors for the launch. Thanks, Jim Myres -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Discount Rocketry High Power Stock as of 7-15-09.pdf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 9033 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20090715/d249079b/attachment.obj From Jjcllc03 at aol.com Wed Jul 15 19:56:52 2009 From: Jjcllc03 at aol.com (Jjcllc03 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:56:52 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Nike Smoke Motor Mystery Solved! Message-ID: A fortuitous conversation with a dealer who owed me a carbon fiber rocket solved the Cesaroni L1030 debacle from Sunday. When I told him about the motor failure he asked, "Did you include the grain from the second package?" "There was a second package?" I queried with a gulp. Then I recalled when David Holloway flew the L1030 in June, there WAS a small package that contained the sixth grain for the L1030. The reason that Cesaroni separates the motor like this is that DOT says you can only ship a certain amount of propellant in one package. The denser formula of the L1030 required Cesaroni to separate the motor into two packages. Unfortunately, the dealer who shipped me the motor failed to send the second package. Unaware that there should have been two packages, I built the motor without the grain that had the igniter pellet in it. Also, due to the extra space in the liner, the motor couldn't build up enough pressure to fly and caused the rocket to sit on the pad and burn the liner, the casing, and the motor mount tube into ashes and slag. I discussed the incident with Cesaroni's motor designer and he confirmed that the absence of the last grain was the cause of the failure. He appreciated my honesty and help in determining the cause of the failure and will institute a change that will require Cesaroni to tape the two tubes together and to label the tubes 1 of 2 and 2 of 2 to avoid having something like this happen in the future. He will also have the dealer work with me to help make up for my loss. I appreciate everyone's help in trying to determine the cause and to improve the system to avoid incidents like this in the future. You all lessened my loss with your support and kindness. Thanks for everything and I'm proud to be associated with rocketeers like you all. Jack **************Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove00000001) -------------- next part -------------- A fortuitous conversation with a dealer who owed me a carbon fiber rocket solved the Cesaroni L1030 debacle from Sunday.? When I told him about the motor failure he asked, "Did you include the grain from the second package?" ? "There was a second package?" I queried with a gulp. ? Then I recalled when David Holloway flew the L1030 in June, there WAS a small package that contained the sixth grain for the L1030.? The reason that Cesaroni separates the motor like this is that DOT says you can only ship a certain amount of propellant in one package.? The denser formula of the L1030 required Cesaroni to separate the motor into two packages.? Unfortunately, the dealer who shipped me the motor failed to send the second package.? Unaware that there should have been two packages, I built the motor without the grain that had the igniter pellet in it.? Also, due to the extra space in the liner, the motor couldn't build up enough pressure to fly and caused the rocket to sit on the pad and burn the liner, the casing, and the motor mount tube into ashes and slag. ? I discussed the incident with Cesaroni's motor designer and he confirmed that the absence of the last grain was the cause of the failure.? He appreciated my honesty and help in determining the cause of the failure and will institute a change that will require Cesaroni to tape?the two tubes together and to label the tubes 1 of 2 and 2 of 2 to avoid having something like this happen in the future.? He will also have the dealer work with me to help make up for my loss.? ? I appreciate everyone's help in trying to determine the cause and to improve the system to avoid incidents like this in the future.? You all lessened my loss with your support and kindness.? Thanks for everything and I'm proud to be associated with rocketeers like you all.? ? Jack ? ? Can love help you live longer? http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweuslove00000001 Find out now . From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 20:05:10 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:05:10 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Nike Smoke Motor Mystery Solved! References: Message-ID: <9B8B6F5791EF49338EF8044B7782FECA@LaptopKrausert> Jack, I'm still thinking moisture was the problem. Maybe it was moisture in the head of the dealer. That might have been the cause for forgetting to ship piece number two. Just kidding. ;-) Glad you got an answer. Still sad to learn of Nikes' boo boo. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Jjcllc03 at aol.com To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com ; raystoner99 at comcast.net ; Mfreptiles at aol.com ; rockets at rocketsnw.com ; fred.azinger at intel.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:56 PM Subject: Nike Smoke Motor Mystery Solved! A fortuitous conversation with a dealer who owed me a carbon fiber rocket solved the Cesaroni L1030 debacle from Sunday. When I told him about the motor failure he asked, "Did you include the grain from the second package?" "There was a second package?" I queried with a gulp. Then I recalled when David Holloway flew the L1030 in June, there WAS a small package that contained the sixth grain for the L1030. The reason that Cesaroni separates the motor like this is that DOT says you can only ship a certain amount of propellant in one package. The denser formula of the L1030 required Cesaroni to separate the motor into two packages. Unfortunately, the dealer who shipped me the motor failed to send the second package. Unaware that there should have been two packages, I built the motor without the grain that had the igniter pellet in it. Also, due to the extra space in the liner, the motor couldn't build up enough pressure to fly and caused the rocket to sit on the pad and burn the liner, the casing, and the motor mount tube into ashes and slag. I discussed the incident with Cesaroni's motor designer and he confirmed that the absence of the last grain was the cause of the failure. He appreciated my honesty and help in determining the cause of the failure and will institute a change that will require Cesaroni to tape the two tubes together and to label the tubes 1 of 2 and 2 of 2 to avoid having something like this happen in the future. He will also have the dealer work with me to help make up for my loss. I appreciate everyone's help in trying to determine the cause and to improve the system to avoid incidents like this in the future. You all lessened my loss with your support and kindness. Thanks for everything and I'm proud to be associated with rocketeers like you all. Jack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Can love help you live longer? Find out now. -------------- next part -------------- Jack, I'm still thinking moisture was the problem. Maybe it was moisture in the head of the dealer. That might have been the cause for forgetting to ship piece number two. ? Just kidding. ;-) ? Glad you got an answer. Still sad to learn of Nikes' boo boo. ? Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:Jjcllc03 at aol.com Jjcllc03 at aol.com To: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com ; mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net raystoner99 at comcast.net ; mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com Mfreptiles at aol.com ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ; mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:56 PM Subject: Nike Smoke Motor Mystery Solved! A fortuitous conversation with a dealer who owed me a carbon fiber rocket solved the Cesaroni L1030 debacle from Sunday.? When I told him about the motor failure he asked, "Did you include the grain from the second package?" ? "There was a second package?" I queried with a gulp. ? Then I recalled when David Holloway flew the L1030 in June, there WAS a small package that contained the sixth grain for the L1030.? The reason that Cesaroni separates the motor like this is that DOT says you can only ship a certain amount of propellant in one package.? The denser formula of the L1030 required Cesaroni to separate the motor into two packages.? Unfortunately, the dealer who shipped me the motor failed to send the second package.? Unaware that there should have been two packages, I built the motor without the grain that had the igniter pellet in it.? Also, due to the extra space in the liner, the motor couldn't build up enough pressure to fly and caused the rocket to sit on the pad and burn the liner, the casing, and the motor mount tube into ashes and slag. ? I discussed the incident with Cesaroni's motor designer and he confirmed that the absence of the last grain was the cause of the failure.? He appreciated my honesty and help in determining the cause of the failure and will institute a change that will require Cesaroni to tape?the two tubes together and to label the tubes 1 of 2 and 2 of 2 to avoid having something like this happen in the future.? He will also have the dealer work with me to help make up for my loss.? ? I appreciate everyone's help in trying to determine the cause and to improve the system to avoid incidents like this in the future.? You all lessened my loss with your support and kindness.? Thanks for everything and I'm proud to be associated with rocketeers like you all.? ? Jack ? ? Can love help you live longer? http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweuslove00000001 Find out now . From Mfreptiles at aol.com Wed Jul 15 20:26:57 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:26:57 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Nike Smoke Motor Mystery Solved! Message-ID: Now that makes sense, the kn was too low. Even too low to chuff. Mike F. -------------- next part -------------- Now that makes sense, the kn was too low.? Even too low to chuff. ? Mike F. ? ? ? ? From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 20:29:48 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:29:48 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Primer; Sheridan 4th Annual Drag Races Message-ID: <409786589E65458EB70DA32C6AFE7634@LaptopKrausert> The forth annual Sheridan drag race event is approaching. For this year, I'll have three separate events. Two will be for kids only and one being the typical G motor race. This year there will be prizes for kid/youth participants. Stand by. The complete details and sign-ups will begin tomorrow. Here is a sneak preview; 1) Skill level 1 drag race, 10 pads, rocket of choice, and C, D, or E motors 2) Skill level 3 drag race, 10 pads, 3-stage Estes style rocket (kit or custom), and C, D, or E motors (E folks, must stay below 5K) 3) Mid Power, 10 pads, rocket of choice, and G79-10W motors. You remember 10-second delay and survive. All motors, ignitors, and or matches will be on me. All prizes will be on me and local vendors. The brand-new 10-way pad will be supplied. You or your kid(s) will need to provide the rocket. Gifts will be made available for fliers for #1 and #2 above. If we get the demand, we may hold more than one round of #1 and or #2. But #3 will be the first to sign up and one rack. Start thinking about this event. Sheridan is a fantastic launch. A must attend. These drag races are crowd pleasers. You or your kids are welcome to be part of the fun. Stand by. Tomorrow I'll send the complete details. Oregon Rocketry and all NAR/TRA rules will apply. FSO/LCO approval and inspections will occur. All flights will be held at 300 feet based on number of rockets, complexity (especially for #2 and #3) and added safety for everyone. I'm sending this out now so you can discuss and plan with the family and friends. Prep the kids, plan now, and look tomorrow evening for the complete details. Then sign-up. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- The forth annual Sheridan drag race event is approaching. For this year, I'll have three separate events. Two will be for kids only and one being the typical G motor race. This year there will be prizes for kid/youth participants. ? Stand by. The complete details and sign-ups will begin tomorrow. ? Here is a sneak preview; 1) Skill level 1 drag race, 10 pads, rocket of choice, and C, D, or E?motors ? 2) Skill level 3 drag race, 10 pads, 3-stage Estes style rocket (kit or custom), and C, D,?or E motors (E folks, must stay below 5K) ? 3) Mid Power, 10 pads, rocket of choice, and G79-10W motors. You remember 10-second delay and survive. ? All motors, ignitors, and or matches will be on me. All prizes will be on me and local vendors. ? The brand-new 10-way pad will be supplied. You or your kid(s) will need to provide the rocket. Gifts will be made available for fliers for #1 and #2 above. If we get the demand, we may hold more than one round of #1 and or #2. But #3 will be the first to sign up and one rack. ? Start thinking about this event. Sheridan is a fantastic launch. A must attend. These drag races are crowd pleasers. You or your kids are welcome to be part of the fun. ? Stand by. Tomorrow I'll send the complete details. Oregon Rocketry and all NAR/TRA rules will apply. FSO/LCO approval and inspections will occur. All flights will be held at 300 feet based on number of rockets, complexity (especially for #2 and #3) and added safety for everyone. ? I'm sending this out now so you can discuss and plan with the family and friends. ? Prep the kids, plan now, and look tomorrow evening for the complete details. Then sign-up. ? Cheers, Robert From jpr602 at mac.com Wed Jul 15 22:26:59 2009 From: jpr602 at mac.com (John Roberts) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:26:59 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Apollo 11 Moon Landing, Thursday, 16JUL09 In-Reply-To: <4A5D6853.1010906@earthlink.net> References: <4A5D6853.1010906@earthlink.net> Message-ID: 2 new books about the moon landing: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/books/review/Mallon-t.html?_r=1&ref=books From sb at berfield.com Wed Jul 15 23:30:53 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:30:53 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Review of Heavenly Hobbies Washigei Message-ID: In case anyone is interested, my review of the Heavenly Hobbies Washigei camera rocket is now available on EMRR: http://www.rocketreviews.com/reviews/all/heavenly_washigei.shtml -------------- next part -------------- In case anyone is interested, my review of the Heavenly Hobbies Washigei camera rocket is now available on EMRR: http://www.rocketreviews.com/reviews/all/heavenly_washigei.shtml http://www.rocketreviews.com/reviews/all/heavenly_washigei.shtml ? From jackhydrazine at earthlink.net Thu Jul 16 05:06:06 2009 From: jackhydrazine at earthlink.net (Jack Hydrazine) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:06:06 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Apollo 11 is getting ready to launch! Message-ID: <4A5F17AE.8040603@earthlink.net> http://wechoosethemoon.org/ Today is an important day in America?s history. It?s the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 launch from Cape Canaveral, FL. Liftoff will be at 6:30am PDT. Apollo 11 was the first manned mission to land on the moon. To commemorate the anniversary, NASA is recreating the mission. You can watch it today at the link posted above. The site will show the mission in real time, only 40 years later. You can follow transmissions between Apollo 11 and Mission Control. They?ll be posted to the site as a Twitter feed. You?ll also find animations recreating important events from the mission. For example, watch the Eagle separate from the command module. Of course, there are also plenty of video clips and photographs. There?s even audio of the communications between the astronauts and NASA. Don?t forget to sign up for e-mail alerts. You?ll be notified when the Eagle lands. Then, you can watch Neil Armstrong take the historic first steps on the moon! From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Thu Jul 16 09:34:04 2009 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:34:04 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE - Renewal's - Issues??? Message-ID: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE20991CFC66@BL2PRD0102MB015.prod.exchangelabs.com> Folks! If you've had any issues with your LEUP renewals in the last few months please contact me directly off the list. thx Brad Wright -------------- next part -------------- Folks! ? If you've had any issues with your LEUP renewals in the last few months please contact me directly off the list. ? thx Brad Wright From tom.walsh at intel.com Thu Jul 16 09:45:12 2009 From: tom.walsh at intel.com (Walsh, Tom) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:45:12 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] foam, cfc's, and columbia Message-ID: Anyone have a back-of-the-envelope comparison on relative pollution from a) using CFC's in the production of shuttle tank insulation (foam) vs. b) vaporizing a shuttle during reentry The most credible (based on my opinion) workup of relative impact gets a chunk of non-CFC foam from Marshall SFC. Thanks, -Tom Walsh From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Thu Jul 16 13:26:00 2009 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (steve-c at ix.netcom.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:26:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [RocketsNW] Nike Smoke Motor Mystery Solved! Message-ID: <1977039.1247775960650.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Just curious Jack - did the motor package you received include instructions? I for one would have certainly fallen into the same trap given the same circumstances, so I'm not trying to imply anything by this - just wondering if CTI has their act together. Sounds from the measures they will take that they do. Good feedback to all. /Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Jjcllc03 at aol.com >Sent: Jul 15, 2009 7:56 PM >To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com, raystoner99 at comcast.net, Mfreptiles at aol.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com, fred.azinger at intel.com >Subject: [RocketsNW] Nike Smoke Motor Mystery Solved! > >A fortuitous conversation with a dealer who owed me a carbon fiber rocket solved the Cesaroni L1030 debacle from Sunday.? When I told him about the motor failure he asked, "Did you include the grain from the second package?" >? >"There was a second package?" I queried with a gulp. >? >Then I recalled when David Holloway flew the L1030 in June, there WAS a small package that contained the sixth grain for the L1030.? The reason that Cesaroni separates the motor like this is that DOT says you can only ship a certain amount of propellant in one package.? The denser formula of the L1030 required Cesaroni to separate the motor into two packages.? Unfortunately, the dealer who shipped me the motor failed to send the second package.? Unaware that there should have been two packages, I built the motor without the grain that had the igniter pellet in it.? Also, due to the extra space in the liner, the motor couldn't build up enough pressure to fly and caused the rocket to sit on the pad and burn the liner, the casing, and the motor mount tube into ashes and slag. >? >I discussed the incident with Cesaroni's motor designer and he confirmed that the absence of the last grain was the cause of the failure.? He appreciated my honesty and help in determining the cause of the failure and will institute a change that will require Cesaroni to tape?the two tubes together and to label the tubes 1 of 2 and 2 of 2 to avoid having something like this happen in the future.? He will also have the dealer work with me to help make up for my loss.? >? >I appreciate everyone's help in trying to determine the cause and to improve the system to avoid incidents like this in the future.? You all lessened my loss with your support and kindness.? Thanks for everything and I'm proud to be associated with rocketeers like you all.? >? >Jack >? >? >Can love help you live longer? http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweuslove00000001 Find out now >. From john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com Thu Jul 16 13:45:55 2009 From: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com (john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:45:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] foam, cfc's, and columbia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688415863533C@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> Jay Apt showed me an interesting histogram of shuttle tile damage by mission number years ago. There was a huge step in the damage occurrence when the foam was switched to the non-CFC version, but the damage occurrence dropped significantly after several missions. If you recall after the first mission after the loss of Columbia on STS-107, the shuttle sustained some damage from a piece of foam that dislodged in the conduit area. It turns out that the wind tunnel tests had been completed that would have allowed for foam to be absent in that very problem area, but the change wasn't implemented for STS-114. Had that crew not returned safely, there were people ready to make that information public to hopefully cause some involuntary management changes at NASA. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Walsh, Tom Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:45 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] foam, cfc's, and columbia Anyone have a back-of-the-envelope comparison on relative pollution from a) using CFC's in the production of shuttle tank insulation (foam) vs. b) vaporizing a shuttle during reentry The most credible (based on my opinion) workup of relative impact gets a chunk of non-CFC foam from Marshall SFC. Thanks, -Tom Walsh _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From dmrandall at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 16:36:06 2009 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:36:06 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] foam, cfc's, and columbia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6bc920e40907161636q9778d5ex4c435cef657b413@mail.gmail.com> The U4EA team (Michael, Scott, Mike and I) were discussing this at our last lunch meeting in June. We've been putting down our thoughts... This is the beginning of the paper. More to come as we complete our research. Study of Chloroflorocarbon and Symbiotic Epistemologies for Byzantine Pollution Scatter Scott Berfield, Michael Dennis, Mike Wyvel and David Randall Abstract Many computational biologists would agree that, had it not been for the shuttle vaporization, the simulation of SMPs might never have occurred. Here, we demonstrate the improvement of scatter/gather I/O. we concentrate our efforts on arguing that multicast heuristics and superblocks are always incompatible. The hardware and architecture method to calculate environmental impact of CFC dispursion is defined not only by the understanding of extreme programming, but also by the typical need for Scheme. The notion that biologists collude with the refinement of e-commerce is generally adamantly opposed. Next, in this paper, we validate the emulation of the location-identity split, which embodies the private principles of CFC distribution and dispursion in high winds. To what extent can Moore's Law be deployed to realize this purpose? Biologists largely study reliable communication in the place of wind analysis. the disadvantage of this type of solution, however, is that wind analysis can be made semantic, large-scale, and optimal. although such a claim might seem unexpected, it is derived from known results. We emphasize that Yea allows symbiotic information, without caching Moore's Law. We view rocket engineering as following a cycle of four phases: storage, refinement, observation, and evaluation. Indeed, the delivery vehicles and their rigid structions have a long history of colluding in this manner. Though it might seem counterintuitive, it regularly conflicts with the need to provide EIC's to scholars. We view post operation analysis as following a cycle of four phases: management, provision, improvement, and allowance. An appropriate approach to realize this ambition is the investigation of gas converters. Unfortunately, this method is largely considered compelling. Even though it at first glance seems counterintuitive, it entirely conflicts with the need to provide the CFC dispursion pattern to cryptographers. Along these same lines, for example, many methodologies visualize the improvement of CFC's, CFD's and CFO's. Obviously, we propose new real-time communication (Yea), which we use to verify that the dispursion models are accurate. Our focus here is not on whether space flight and evolutionary manufacturing are often incompatible, but rather on proposing a methodology for model checking (Yea). Yea locates random models. However, constant-time archetypes might not be the panacea that flight engineers expected. On the other hand, highly-available symmetries might not be the panacea that systems engineers expected. As a result, we see no reason not to use the analysis of the CFS model to investigate the Turing machine. .... More to come. On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Walsh, Tom wrote: > Anyone have a back-of-the-envelope comparison on relative pollution from > > ? ? ? ?a) using CFC's in the production of shuttle tank insulation (foam) > ? ? ? ?vs. > ? ? ? ?b) vaporizing a shuttle during reentry > > The most credible (based on my opinion) workup of relative impact gets a > chunk of non-CFC foam from Marshall SFC. > > Thanks, > > -Tom Walsh > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 19:12:17 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:12:17 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Message-ID: <928D61AA6A6D4811992D798807CB661F@LaptopKrausert> Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at www.oregonrocketry.com. Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. This is the forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. This year there will be three drag race events. Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. Fillible's G79-10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either 1/8" or 3/8" rods. Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to protect people and property. Be as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show for the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79-10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/8" rods. ? Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to protect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show for the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 20:50:35 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:50:35 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Message-ID: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert> Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at www.oregonrocketry.com. Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. This is the forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. This year there will be three drag race events. Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. Fillible's G79-10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either 1/8" or 3/16" rods. Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to protect people and property. Be as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show for the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79-10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/16" rods. ? Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to protect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show for the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? From tom.walsh at intel.com Thu Jul 16 22:07:30 2009 From: tom.walsh at intel.com (Walsh, Tom) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:07:30 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] foam, cfc's, and columbia In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40907161636q9778d5ex4c435cef657b413@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bc920e40907161636q9778d5ex4c435cef657b413@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You write grant proposals, don't you :-) -Tom ps: how'd you know I was Byzantine? -----Original Message----- From: Dave Randall [mailto:dmrandall at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:36 PM To: Walsh, Tom Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] foam, cfc's, and columbia The U4EA team (Michael, Scott, Mike and I) were discussing this at our last lunch meeting in June. We've been putting down our thoughts... This is the beginning of the paper. More to come as we complete our research. Study of Chloroflorocarbon and Symbiotic Epistemologies for Byzantine Pollution Scatter Scott Berfield, Michael Dennis, Mike Wyvel and David Randall Abstract Many computational biologists would agree that, had it not been for the shuttle vaporization, the simulation of SMPs might never have occurred. Here, we demonstrate the improvement of scatter/gather I/O. we concentrate our efforts on arguing that multicast heuristics and superblocks are always incompatible. The hardware and architecture method to calculate environmental impact of CFC dispursion is defined not only by the understanding of extreme programming, but also by the typical need for Scheme. The notion that biologists collude with the refinement of e-commerce is generally adamantly opposed. Next, in this paper, we validate the emulation of the location-identity split, which embodies the private principles of CFC distribution and dispursion in high winds. To what extent can Moore's Law be deployed to realize this purpose? Biologists largely study reliable communication in the place of wind analysis. the disadvantage of this type of solution, however, is that wind analysis can be made semantic, large-scale, and optimal. although such a claim might seem unexpected, it is derived from known results. We emphasize that Yea allows symbiotic information, without caching Moore's Law. We view rocket engineering as following a cycle of four phases: storage, refinement, observation, and evaluation. Indeed, the delivery vehicles and their rigid structions have a long history of colluding in this manner. Though it might seem counterintuitive, it regularly conflicts with the need to provide EIC's to scholars. We view post operation analysis as following a cycle of four phases: management, provision, improvement, and allowance. An appropriate approach to realize this ambition is the investigation of gas converters. Unfortunately, this method is largely considered compelling. Even though it at first glance seems counterintuitive, it entirely conflicts with the need to provide the CFC dispursion pattern to cryptographers. Along these same lines, for example, many methodologies visualize the improvement of CFC's, CFD's and CFO's. Obviously, we propose new real-time communication (Yea), which we use to verify that the dispursion models are accurate. Our focus here is not on whether space flight and evolutionary manufacturing are often incompatible, but rather on proposing a methodology for model checking (Yea). Yea locates random models. However, constant-time archetypes might not be the panacea that flight engineers expected. On the other hand, highly-available symmetries might not be the panacea that systems engineers expected. As a result, we see no reason not to use the analysis of the CFS model to investigate the Turing machine. .... More to come. On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Walsh, Tom wrote: > Anyone have a back-of-the-envelope comparison on relative pollution from > > a) using CFC's in the production of shuttle tank insulation (foam) > vs. > b) vaporizing a shuttle during reentry > > The most credible (based on my opinion) workup of relative impact gets a > chunk of non-CFC foam from Marshall SFC. > > Thanks, > > -Tom Walsh > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Thu Jul 16 23:45:18 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] foam, cfc's, and columbia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8f17458f501c43780da041b2d4bb4e41.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Recent studies have shown that the destructive effect of CFC's on the ozone layer is far greater than originally thought. Also, the cumulative atmospheric load of CFC's from human activities in the past is very close to a tipping point and not decaying as quickly as hoped. The quantities of CFC's necessary to produce insulating foam for a shuttle external tank is very large, equal to several million cans of underarm deodorant. Since the exact amount of atmospheric CFC's necessary to surpass the tipping point is unknown, for all anyone knows it might be possible for even one thoughtless citizen using an old can of deodorant to put the planetary atmosphere past the tipping point of CFC content and eventually KILL ALL LIFE ON EARTH. Therefore, it would be extremely reckless to use any more CFC's to make insulating foam for the remaining few shuttle external tanks. The shuttle itself, however, is composed primarily of materials which, if vaporized during reentry, will condense back to dust particles. The quantity of these dust particles would be tiny in comparison to the amount of meteoritic and volcanic dust deposited into the upper atmosphere every year. This dust would have virtually no effect on earth's climate and effectively zero impact on the continuance of life on earth. The small quantities of toxic chemicals on board a shuttle would be essentially completely oxidized to harmless substances by the heat of reentry. The equally small quantities of biological materials on board would also be consumed by the heat and converted into organic chemical pollution equivalent to the daily atmospheric release of noxious materials from the hamburger stands of a small city, also presenting no hazard to the planet. What few large pieces of metal and assorted heat resistant materials such as thermal insulation tiles that might survive reentry will spread out along a very long ground track but in general are unlikely to fall in densely inhabited areas. This surviving debris will constitute approximately the amount of litter which can be found along a few dozen miles of typical urban freeway. While annoying, this is not a significant amount in the context of global environmental damage. Therefore, the environmentally and planetarily responsible correct choice here is refuse the temptation to return to the use of CFC-created foam for the external tanks on the remaining shuttle flights. +McG+ (Hope you had a shovel and a big wheelbarrow handy when you read this!) > Anyone have a back-of-the-envelope comparison on relative pollution from > > a) using CFC's in the production of shuttle tank insulation (foam) > vs. > b) vaporizing a shuttle during reentry > > The most credible (based on my opinion) workup of relative impact gets a > chunk of non-CFC foam from Marshall SFC. > > Thanks, > > -Tom Walsh > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From fred at azinger.com Fri Jul 17 07:31:07 2009 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:31:07 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Got 400um AP??? Message-ID: <002601ca06eb$39972b50$acc581f0$@com> I'd like to trade some AP.... I have several formulas that use 400um AP. I'm down to less than 10 pounds which is not enough for Balls. I'd like to trade some 200um for 400um. I have a 5 gallon bucket (50#) of new, mil-spec, free-flowing, 200um AP that I'd like to trade for 400um equivalent. Anybody interested???? Please let me know, Thanks, FredA -------------- next part -------------- I'd like to trade some AP.... I have several formulas that use 400um AP. I'm down to less than 10 pounds which is not enough for Balls. ? I'd like to trade some 200um for 400um. ? I have a 5 gallon bucket (50#) of new, mil-spec, free-flowing, 200um AP that I'd like to trade for 400um equivalent. ? Anybody interested???? Please let me know, Thanks, FredA ? From jaydee_007 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 17 08:04:54 2009 From: jaydee_007 at hotmail.com (John Doyle) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:04:54 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] An Article worth reading Message-ID: I know this man is normally a political writer and some of you may object, but set aside who he is, and read what he says. http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2009/07/17/the_moon_we_forgot _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 -------------- next part -------------- ? I know this man is normally a political writer and some of you may object, but set aside who he is, and read what he says. ? ? ? http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2009/07/17/the_moon_we_forgot http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2009/07/17/the_moon_we_forgot ? ? ? ? ? ? Lauren found her dream laptop. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 Find the PC that?s right for you. From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Mon Jul 13 17:41:55 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:41:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX Falcon 1 Flight 5 Launch, Monday, 13JUL09/1600 PDT, 2300UTC In-Reply-To: <4A5A189A.7070402@earthlink.net> References: <4A5A189A.7070402@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4A5BD453.80808@earthlink.net> The current estimated launch time 7:30PM PDT/0230 UTC. You can stay updated with the last launch updates at http://www.spaceflightnow.com/falcon/005/status.html Robert Hammer wrote: > Hawthorne, California ? June 1, 2009 ? Space Exploration Technologies > (SpaceX) and Astronautic Technology (M) Sdn Bhd (ATSB) of Malaysia > announce a new launch window has been set for Falcon 1 Flight 5, > carrying the RazakSAT satellite to orbit. The launch window opens > Monday, July 13th and extends through Tuesday, July 14th, with a daily > window to open at 4:00 p.m. (PDT) / 7:00 p.m. (EDT). > > The launch was delayed last month after SpaceX identified the potential > for an unfavorable interaction between the satellite and the launch > vehicle. After further analysis, SpaceX determined the implementation of > a simple vibration isolation system would address this concern. SpaceX > selected the SoftRide isolation system from CSA Engineering for this > purpose, citing the system's strong flight heritage and established > success in addressing vibration concerns. > > Falcon 1, a two-stage, liquid oxygen/rocket-grade kerosene vehicle > designed from the ground up by SpaceX, will place the RazakSAT > satellite, equipped with a high resolution Medium-Sized Aperture Camera > (MAC), into a near equatorial orbit. > > RazakSAT was designed and built by ATSB, a pioneer and leader in the > design and manufacture of satellites in Malaysia. The satellite is > expected to provide high resolution images of Malaysia that can be > applied to land management, resource development and conservation, > forestry and fish migration. > > SpaceX's Falcon 1 launch site is located approximately 2500 miles > southwest of Hawaii on Omelek Island, part of the Reagan Test Site (RTS) > at United States Army Kwajalein Atoll (USAKA) in the Central Pacific. > Due to the location of the launch site, the Kwajalein local date at the > opening of the launch window will be Tuesday, July 14th. > > SpaceX will provide live coverage of the Falcon 1 Flight 5/RazakSAT > mission via webcast at www.SpaceX.com. The webcast will begin 20 minutes > prior to launch and will include mission briefings, live feeds and > launch coverage from the launch site. Post-launch, video footage and > photos will be available for download on the web site. > -------------------------- > Video interview with Elon Musk (CEO of SpaceX) about going to Mars.by 2020. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn7obiurdxg > > Elon Musk Talks About The SpaceX Revolution > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPnSKmmAHDk > > CNN news video article about SpaceX > http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/2009/02/08/finnstrom.space.x.blasts.off.cnn?iref=videosearch > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Mon Jul 13 18:08:06 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:08:06 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttle Endeavour Launch (STS-127), Wednesday, 15JUL09/1503 PDT, 1803EDT Message-ID: <4A5BDA76.4000309@earthlink.net> --------------------------- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_space_shuttle Thunderstorms cause 5th delay for space shuttle By MARCIA DUNN, AP Aerospace Writer (excerpt) CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. ? Thunderstorms once again forced NASA to call off the launch of space shuttle Endeavour on Monday, the fifth delay for the space station construction mission. NASA said it would try again Wednesday, after taking a one-day break. In a scene nearly identical to Sunday, launch managers halted the countdown just minutes before Endeavour and seven astronauts were supposed to blast off in the early evening. This time, storms packed with lightning popped up on opposite sides of the launching site, one after the other, close enough to violate NASA's safety rules. Endeavour has been grounded for an entire month now, first by leaks, then stormy weather. If the shuttle isn't flying soon, it will have to wait until July 27 so Russia can launch supplies to the space station. ---------------------------- STS-127 (ISS assembly flight 2J/A) is the next space shuttle mission to the International Space Station (ISS). It will be the 23rd flight of Space Shuttle Endeavour, and is rescheduled to launch on July 15, 2009 at 3:03PM PDT (22:03 UTC) and return not earlier than July 31, 2009. The primary purpose of the STS-127 mission is to deliver and install the final two components of the Japanese Experiment Module: the Exposed Facility (JEM EF), and the Exposed Section of the Experiment Logistics Module (ELM-ES). Mission Statistics Mission name: STS-127 Space shuttle: Endeavour Spacecraft mass: TBD Launch pad: LC-39A Launch date: July 15, 03:03 p.m. PDT (10:03 UTC) Landing: Not Earlier Than July 31 Mission duration: 16 days Number of orbits planned: 248 Orbital period: 94 mins. Orbital altitude: 356 km (221 nautical miles) Orbital inclination: 51.6 degrees Crew Commander: Mark L. Polansky (Third spaceflight) Pilot: Douglas G. Hurley (First spaceflight) Mission Specialist 1: Christopher J. Cassidy (First spaceflight, EVA#3) Mission Specialist 2: Julie Payette, CSA (Second spaceflight, Flight Engineer) Mission Specialist 3: Thomas H. Marshburn (First spaceflight, EVA#4) Mission Specialist 4: David Wolf (Fourth spaceflight, Lead Spacewalker EVA#1) Mission Specialist 5: Timothy Kopra (ISS Expedition 20, First spaceflight, EVA#2) Koichi Wakata (JAXA, ISS Expedition 20, Third spaceflight) The mission marks 158th American manned space flight 127th shuttle mission since STS-1 23rd flight of Endeavour 29th shuttle mission to the ISS 102nd post-Challenger mission 14th post-Columbia mission First time thirteen people will be on the ISS (most people ever on one spacecraft at one time) STS-127 will carry the 500th person to space STS-127 will mark the first time that two Canadian astronauts, Robert Thirsk and Julie Payette, are in space at the same time. This mission is the fourth to the last of the Space Shuttle missions before they are retired from service. Twitter Page STS-127: http://twitter.com/STS127 NASA's: https://twitter.com/nasa Mark Polansky's: https://twitter.com/Astro_127 SpaceFlight Now: http://twitter.com/spaceflightnow/ Websites: NASA's Space Shuttle page: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/index.html NASA' STS-127 page: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts127/index.html SpaceFlight Now, Live Mission Updates: http://spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts127/status.html Space.com Launch and Mission Coverage: http://www.space.com/spaceshuttle/ Watching the Launch http://www.fromil.com/tv/index.php?radio=5 http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html http://www.floridatoday.com/content/blogs/space/livenasatv.shtml http://www.floridatoday.com/content/multimedia/space/livenasamediafeed.html Live Web Cams at Kennedy Space Center and Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida and Vandenburg AFB in California. http://www.floridatoday.com/content/maps/spacewebcams.shtml Tracking the Shuttle and the ISS http://heavens-above.com/ http://www.n2yo.com/ http://spaceweather.com/flybys/ http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/ Videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqQkEqMJoOw STS 127 Endeavour Crew Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e16eXXAoisg Shuttle Commander To Take Video Questions In Space (Post your question on YouTube and send the link to his Twitter account) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA2341yukeI STS-127 Endeavour Rollover from the Orbiter Processing Facility (OPF) the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vfdvomWcfA Hoisting Endeavour next to the External Tank. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew2aNhXPqNU Endeavour's roll out to Launch Pad 39B. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHgBEUxaDZY STS-127 Post Flight Readiness Review Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ8C4PCxN9c STS 127 Pre Launch Briefing (11JUN09) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZyylxkQ-uc STS-127 Spacewalk Overview Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R-gRAcepC4 STS-127 EVA#1 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FguRQd_aSM STS-127 EVA#2 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFOKv8Mhy70 STS-127 EVA#3 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m36Ajqk5y0o STS-127 EVA #4 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjHOzKjMw7w STS-127 EVA #5 Spacewalk Briefing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZUauMdwHlc NASA STS-127 EVAs Question and Answer From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Jul 17 08:12:59 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:12:59 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Direct Launcher Message-ID: <4A6094FB.407@earthlink.net> http://www.directlauncher.com/ "DIRECT" Space Transportation System Derivative v3.0 DIRECT is an alternative approach to launching missions planned under NASA's new mandate: The Vision for Space Exploration (VSE). DIRECT would replace the separate Ares-I Crew Launch Vehicle (CLV) and Ares-V Cargo Launch Vehicle (CaLV) with one single "Jupiter" launcher, capable of performing both roles. This change to NASA's architecture completely removes the costs & risks associated with developing and operating a second launcher system, saving NASA $19 Billion in development costs, and a further $16 Billion in operational costs over the next 20 years. DIRECT's single launcher system would use existing Space Transportation System (AKA the Space Shuttle) facilities and hardware to lift over 70 tons (in basic configuration) up to more than 100 tons (with an Upper Stage). This approach introduces many advantages over the current Ares Launch Vehicles, such as: Shorter "gap" after the Shuttle retires (3 years vs. 5) Earlier return to the Moon (2017 vs. 2019) Delete all risks associated with a second new launch vehicle Delete all costs associated with a second new launch vehicle Optimum use of the existing NASA & contractor experience Enable multiple upgrade paths Greater range of safety alternatives for Crews From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Jul 17 09:01:28 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:01:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Moon news Message-ID: <4A60A058.8060507@earthlink.net> Rocket Men: The Epic Story of the First Men on the Moon (Hardcover) by Craig Nelson http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0670021032/hobbyspace Book review http://features.csmonitor.com/books/2009/07/07/rocket-men-the-epic-story-of-the-first-men-on-the-moon/ Ares I is not dead but Ares V could have one foot in the grave http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/hyperbola/2009/07/ares-i-is-not-dead-but-ares-v.html NASA drops Ares V from launch services contract http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/07/09/329473/nasa-drops-ares-v-from-launch-services-contract.html NASA Erased First Moonwalk Tapes, But Restores Copies http://www.space.com/news/cs-90716-apollo11-moonwalk-video.html NASA Releases Restored Apollo 11 Moonwalk Video http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=28761 Moon Suits of the Future http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/090716-apollo11-40th-moon-spacesuits.html Moon Orbiter to Photograph Apollo 11 Landing Site http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/090715-apollo-landing-site.html Study Predicts $1.5 Billion Market for Commercial Lunar Services over Next Decade http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=28760 Google Lunar X PRIZE contender Odyssey Moon Announces Historic Teaming with Top Industry Leaders for its Commercial Moon Venture http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=28759 Statement from Apollo 11 Astronaut Michael Collins http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=28746 Orphans of Apollo Now Available On DVD Free Radical Productions has now made the documentary film, "Orphans of Apollo," available on DVD @ www.OrphansofApollo.com. "Orphans of Apollo" is the award winning documentary that has been called the "greatest space story never told." The film "Orphans of Apollo," tells the extraordinary true story of a small group of entrepreneurs who felt 'orphaned' by President Nixon's decision to end the NASA Apollo Moon program and the subsequent years of nominal space activity. This band of brothers took matters into their own hands, and commandeered the Russian Mir Space Station, behind the backs of NASA and the US government. http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Orphans_of_Apollo_Now_Available_On_DVD_999.html Apollo 11 Fortieth and other Anniversaries http://www.spacefuture.com/journal/journal.cgi?art=2009.07.16.Apollo_40th More Moon news here. http://www.moondaily.com/ Moon videos: Apollo 10 Full Dress Run-Through Apollo 10 flies the Lunar Module \"down among 'em\" - the mountains of the Moon - in a busy trial of all systems. This crew could have been the first humans on the surface. http://www.space.com/common/media/video/player.php?videoRef=SP_090715_apollo10 Moon Probe's Final Moments The Japanese lunar probe Kaguya captured these final scenes in HD just prior to its planned crash landing June 11, 2009. [Final Snapshots from Kaguya] http://www.space.com/common/media/video/player.php?videoRef=SP_090619_kaguya From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Jul 17 09:09:37 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:09:37 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX's Falcon 1 Successfully Delivers RazakSat Satellite Into Orbit Message-ID: <4A60A241.5030908@earthlink.net> (lots of photos) http://www.spacex.com/launch_updates.php Falcon 1, carrying the RazakSAT satellite, lifted off on July 13, 2009 at 8:35 p.m. (PDT) / (July 14 2009, at 03:35 UTC). Liftoff occurred from the SpaceX launch site on Omelek Island at the U.S. Army Kwajalein Atoll (USAKA) in the Central Pacific, about 2,500 miles southwest of Hawaii. After the second burn of the second stage engine, Falcon 1 released the RazakSAT Earth Observation satellite into the intended near-equatorial orbit of 685 km, 9 degrees inclination. For those of you who missed the launch you can watch the video here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTFlFFrfEB0 From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Jul 17 09:57:07 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:57:07 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites today at 11:00AM PDT/2:00PM EDT Message-ID: <4A60AD63.6080305@earthlink.net> http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/jul/HQ_M09-133_LRO_Apollo_sites.html NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites GREENBELT, Md. -- NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, or LRO, has sent back its first images of Apollo lunar landing sites. The agency will release the images Friday, July 17, at noon and hold a teleconference at 2 p.m. EDT to discuss the photos and future plans for the LRO mission. Participating in the teleconference are: Michael Wargo, chief lunar scientist, NASA Headquarters, Washington Richard Vondrak, project scientist, Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. Mark Robinson, principal investigator, Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera, Arizona State University To participate in the teleconference, reporters should contact Grey Hautaluoma at 202-358-0668 or Andy Freeberg at 301-286-0746, by noon Friday. To listen to the event online, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/newsaudio From glech at aol.com Fri Jul 17 10:44:05 2009 From: glech at aol.com (glech at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:44:05 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 In-Reply-To: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert> References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Hello fellow NW rocketeers, I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert To: Robert Krausert ; members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black p owder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79-10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/16" rods. ? Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to protect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name on ly and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show for the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert To: Robert Krausert ; members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com? mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org? mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com? mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79-10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/16" rods. ? Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to protect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show for the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From stefan_jones at comcast.net Fri Jul 17 11:33:31 2009 From: stefan_jones at comcast.net (stefan_jones at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 In-Reply-To: <8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6198991.2424241247855611026.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Gary Fillible is an august senior OROC member. If the total model weight is not great, 3/16" rods do just fine. You won't be putting a G79-10 in a very large model anyway! Stefan ----- Original Message ----- From: glech at aol.com To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Hello fellow NW rocketeers, I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert To: Robert Krausert ; members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black p owder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79-10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/16" rods. ? Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to protect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll s et you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name on ly and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show for the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Gary Fillible is an august senior OROC member. If the total model weight is not great, 3/16" rods do just fine. You won't be putting a G79-10 in a very large model anyway! Stefan ----- Original Message ----- From: glech at aol.com To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Hello fellow NW rocketeers, I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert To: Robert Krausert ; members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black p owder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79-10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/16" rods. ? Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to protect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name on ly and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show for the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Fri Jul 17 14:53:30 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Direct Launcher In-Reply-To: <4A6094FB.407@earthlink.net> References: <4A6094FB.407@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2783b6a2e42d83bd5696908ad459bf5c.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> But you miss the point. The point is: SPENDING MONEY. All cost-efficient schemes will be discarded by both NASA admin and Congress. Especially Congress. The three most important things inside the Beltway: 1) Power 2) Money 3) Self-aggrandizement I really wish that these weren't the best predictors for what Washington will do, but almost all predictions based on what's good for the people or what's best for America fail. The entrenched forces in Congress and NASA admin will choose a path that entails a fairly good approximation of maximum expense for minimum return. ISS is the template for Aries. +McG+ > http://www.directlauncher.com/ > > "DIRECT" Space Transportation System Derivative v3.0 > > DIRECT is an alternative approach to launching missions planned under > NASA's new mandate: The Vision for Space Exploration (VSE). DIRECT would > replace the separate Ares-I Crew Launch Vehicle (CLV) and Ares-V Cargo > Launch Vehicle (CaLV) with one single "Jupiter" launcher, capable of > performing both roles. > > This change to NASA's architecture completely removes the costs & risks > associated with developing and operating a second launcher system, > saving NASA $19 Billion in development costs, and a further $16 Billion > in operational costs over the next 20 years. > > DIRECT's single launcher system would use existing Space Transportation > System (AKA the Space Shuttle) facilities and hardware to lift over 70 > tons (in basic configuration) up to more than 100 tons (with an Upper > Stage). > > This approach introduces many advantages over the current Ares Launch > Vehicles, such as: > Shorter "gap" after the Shuttle retires (3 years vs. 5) > Earlier return to the Moon (2017 vs. 2019) > Delete all risks associated with a second new launch vehicle > Delete all costs associated with a second new launch vehicle > Optimum use of the existing NASA & contractor experience > Enable multiple upgrade paths > Greater range of safety alternatives for Crews > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From jhadv at pacifier.com Fri Jul 17 14:56:32 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan Drag Race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9737.76.105.138.130.1247867792.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> "And who's Fillible?" If Robert says the rail size is good it's good. Fillible is Gary Fillible. Almost a founding member of TRA. Been doing this a long time. A great rocketeer. Really nice guy as well. From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 15:04:23 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 In-Reply-To: <8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert> <8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The launch is named after Gary Fillible who back in the 80's flew the first comercialy made single use M motor from a truck mounted launcher from this very site we will be flying from. I don't remember the diameter or the length of that rocket but having seen it I can say it was very large. He used two G motors for chute deployment that was very complex even in todays standards. Gary is an awsome indivigual. He has some of the coolest motors from all over the world. All of them are single use, and he even still has that M motor casing still to this day. An alaround great person to know. In my eyes a true pioneer of hobby rocketry. He is also a great story teller. Anything eles you want to know about this great person come to the launch and ask him. John R Hornsby ________________________________ From: "glech at aol.com" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert To: Robert Krausert ; members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com? mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org? mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com? mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am ? Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to exten d a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79- 10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/16" rods. ? Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to p rotect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show f or the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! -------------- next part -------------- The launch is named after Gary Fillible who back in the 80's flew the first comercialy made single use M motor from a truck mounted launcher from this very site we will be flying from. I don't remember the diameter or the length of that rocket but having seen it I can say it was very large. He used two G motors for chute deployment that was very complex even in todays standards. Gary is an awsome indivigual. He has some of the coolest motors from all over the world. All of them are single use, and he even still has that M motor casing still to this day. An alaround great person to know. In my eyes a true pioneer of hobby rocketry. He is also a great story teller. ? Anything eles you want to know about this great person come to the launch and ask him. ? John R Hornsby From: "glech at aol.com" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: Robert Krausert < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com >; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com ? mailto: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ? mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ? mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am ? Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to exten d a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79- 10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/16" rods. ? Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to p rotect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show f or the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto: mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 15:05:11 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:05:11 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: Drag Race spots remaining; #1; 9 open #2; 9 open #3; 3 open Come on parents. Get the kids a rocket and sign them up for one or two of the drag races. Think about #2 for instance. 20 boosters tubbling to the ground and 10 sustainers on chute or streamer. See details below and sign-up details. All for fun. And again, all motors are on me. Sign-em up. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: Robert Krausert ; members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: Re: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at www.oregonrocketry.com. Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. This is the forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. This year there will be three drag race events. Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. Fillible's G79-10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either 1/8" or 3/16" rods. Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to protect people and property. Be as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show for the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Drag Race spots remaining; #1; 9 open #2; 9 open #3; 3 open ? Come on parents. Get the kids a rocket and sign them up for one or two of the drag races. ? Think about #2 for instance. 20 boosters tubbling to the ground and 10 sustainers on chute or streamer. ? See details below and sign-up details. ? All for fun. And again, all motors are on me. Sign-em up. ? Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert ; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: Re: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79-10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/16" rods. ? Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to protect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show for the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 15:20:05 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:20:05 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John, Very well put. And Gary I think still has a reload motor case inventory that would surprise most. ;-) Regarding rod size. 1/8" I expect to be used mostly by drag race #1 and #2. I'd expect the G flyers to be expecting the 3/16" rod. Delay grain for drag race #3 is 10 seconds. The rocket needs to be capable of handling 10 seconds of coast. Fat and or heavy birds will not handle a 10 second delay, and would likely not get pass FSO approval. That said, 3/16" has worked for three years. BTW. Safety comes first with me. This is to be fun and entertaining. Gary & John, we still have 3 open spots for #3. White Lightening smoke is a cool thing. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hornsby" To: Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 The launch is named after Gary Fillible who back in the 80's flew the first comercialy made single use M motor from a truck mounted launcher from this very site we will be flying from. I don't remember the diameter or the length of that rocket but having seen it I can say it was very large. He used two G motors for chute deployment that was very complex even in todays standards. Gary is an awsome indivigual. He has some of the coolest motors from all over the world. All of them are single use, and he even still has that M motor casing still to this day. An alaround great person to know. In my eyes a true pioneer of hobby rocketry. He is also a great story teller. Anything eles you want to know about this great person come to the launch and ask him. John R Hornsby ________________________________ From: "glech at aol.com" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert To: Robert Krausert ; members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com? mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org? mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com? mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ www.oregonrocketry.com . Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. This is the forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. This year there will be three drag race events. Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to exten d a second event, so first come first on the list. Fillible's G79- 10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either 1/8" or 3/16" rods. Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to p rotect people and property. Be as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show f or the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. Cheers, Robert _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 15:30:13 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 In-Reply-To: References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <839371.99058.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I tell you what, Robert. You can pencil me in. I know I have a rocket or five that can fly this category. I'm sure I can sneak away from what ever I'm doing and head down the road to the launch site for a few? minutes. :o) And I'm sure I can get Trenton to fly in #1. I just need to hide the Snitches from him between now and then. I've seen Gary's collection. And his current project. I've even donated to his cause on many occasions. I think the Smithsonian has allot to learn from Gary. :o) I think the Evergreen space museum even has his collection for viewing. Not really but it would be cool. :o) John R Hornsby ________________________________ From: Robert Krausert To: John Hornsby ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:20:05 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 John, Very well put. And Gary I think still has a reload motor case inventory that would surprise most. ;-) Regarding rod size. 1/8" I expect to be used mostly by drag race #1 and #2. I'd expect the G flyers to be expecting the 3/16" rod. Delay grain for drag race #3 is 10 seconds. The rocket needs to be capable of handling 10 seconds of coast. Fat and or heavy birds will not handle a 10 second delay, and would likely not get pass FSO approval. That said, 3/16" has worked for three years. BTW. Safety comes first with me. This is to be fun and entertaining. Gary & John, we still have 3 open spots for #3. White Lightening smoke is a cool thing. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hornsby" To: Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 The launch is named after Gary Fillible who back in the 80's flew the first comercialy made single use M motor from a truck mounted launcher from this very site we will be flying from. I don't remember the diameter or the length of that rocket but having seen it I can say it was very large. He used two G motors for chute deployment that was very complex even in todays standards. Gary is an awsome indivigual. He has some of the coolest motors from all over the world. All of them are single use, and he even still has that M motor casing still to this day. An alaround great person to know. In my eyes a true pioneer of hobby rocketry. He is also a great story teller. Anything eles you want to know about this great person come to the launch and ask him. John R Hornsby ________________________________ From: "glech at aol.com" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert To: Robert Krausert ; members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com? mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org? mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com? mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ www.oregonrocketry.com . Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. This is the forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. This year there will be three drag race events. Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to exten d a second event, so first come first on the list. Fillible's G79- 10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either 1/8" or 3/16" rods. Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to p rotect people and property. Be as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show f or the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. Cheers, Robert _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -------------- next part -------------- I tell you what, Robert. You can pencil me in. I know I have a rocket or five that can fly this category. I'm sure I can sneak away from what ever I'm doing and head down the road to the launch site for a few? minutes. :o) And I'm sure I can get Trenton to fly in #1. I just need to hide the Snitches from him between now and then. ? I've seen Gary's collection. And his current project. I've even donated to his cause on many occasions. I think the Smithsonian has allot to learn from Gary. :o) I think the Evergreen space museum even has his collection for viewing. Not really but it would be cool. :o) ? John R Hornsby From: Robert Krausert To: John Hornsby ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:20:05 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 John, Very well put. And Gary I think still has a reload motor case inventory that would surprise most. ;-) Regarding rod size. 1/8" I expect to be used mostly by drag race #1 and #2. I'd expect the G flyers to be expecting the 3/16" rod. Delay grain for drag race #3 is 10 seconds. The rocket needs to be capable of handling 10 seconds of coast. Fat and or heavy birds will not handle a 10 second delay, and would likely not get pass FSO approval. That said, 3/16" has worked for three years. BTW. Safety comes first with me. This is to be fun and entertaining. Gary & John, we still have 3 open spots for #3. White Lightening smoke is a cool thing. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hornsby" < mailto:jhornsby3 at yahoo.com jhornsby3 at yahoo.com > To: < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 The launch is named after Gary Fillible who back in the 80's flew the first comercialy made single use M motor from a truck mounted launcher from this very site we will be flying from. I don't remember the diameter or the length of that rocket but having seen it I can say it was very large. He used two G motors for chute deployment that was very complex even in todays standards. Gary is an awsome indivigual. He has some of the coolest motors from all over the world. All of them are single use, and he even still has that M motor casing still to this day. An alaround great person to know. In my eyes a true pioneer of hobby rocketry. He is also a great story teller. Anything eles you want to know about this great person come to the launch and ask him. John R Hornsby ________________________________ From: " mailto:glech at aol.com glech at aol.com " < mailto:glech at aol.com glech at aol.com > To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: Robert Krausert < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com >; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com ? mailto: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ? mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ? mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ www.oregonrocketry.com . Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. This is the forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. This year there will be three drag race events. Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to exten d a second event, so first come first on the list. Fillible's G79- 10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either 1/8" or 3/16" rods. Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to p rotect people and property. Be as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show f or the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. Cheers, Robert _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto: mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 15:39:44 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:39:44 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <839371.99058.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <70DD18BD4F734331A490EA4105EB2198@LaptopKrausert> Ok, you and Trenton are in. What motor will Trenton need? Full Name: John Hornsby Parents Name: n/a Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: #3 Motor Need Details: G79 Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: Full Name: Trenton Parents Name: John Hornsby Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hornsby" To: Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 I tell you what, Robert. You can pencil me in. I know I have a rocket or five that can fly this category. I'm sure I can sneak away from what ever I'm doing and head down the road to the launch site for a few minutes. :o) And I'm sure I can get Trenton to fly in #1. I just need to hide the Snitches from him between now and then. I've seen Gary's collection. And his current project. I've even donated to his cause on many occasions. I think the Smithsonian has allot to learn from Gary. :o) I think the Evergreen space museum even has his collection for viewing. Not really but it would be cool. :o) John R Hornsby ________________________________ From: Robert Krausert To: John Hornsby ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:20:05 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 John, Very well put. And Gary I think still has a reload motor case inventory that would surprise most. ;-) Regarding rod size. 1/8" I expect to be used mostly by drag race #1 and #2. I'd expect the G flyers to be expecting the 3/16" rod. Delay grain for drag race #3 is 10 seconds. The rocket needs to be capable of handling 10 seconds of coast. Fat and or heavy birds will not handle a 10 second delay, and would likely not get pass FSO approval. That said, 3/16" has worked for three years. BTW. Safety comes first with me. This is to be fun and entertaining. Gary & John, we still have 3 open spots for #3. White Lightening smoke is a cool thing. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hornsby" To: Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 The launch is named after Gary Fillible who back in the 80's flew the first comercialy made single use M motor from a truck mounted launcher from this very site we will be flying from. I don't remember the diameter or the length of that rocket but having seen it I can say it was very large. He used two G motors for chute deployment that was very complex even in todays standards. Gary is an awsome indivigual. He has some of the coolest motors from all over the world. All of them are single use, and he even still has that M motor casing still to this day. An alaround great person to know. In my eyes a true pioneer of hobby rocketry. He is also a great story teller. Anything eles you want to know about this great person come to the launch and ask him. John R Hornsby ________________________________ From: "glech at aol.com" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert To: Robert Krausert ; members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com? mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org? mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com? mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ www.oregonrocketry.com . Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. This is the forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. This year there will be three drag race events. Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to exten d a second event, so first come first on the list. Fillible's G79- 10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either 1/8" or 3/16" rods. Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to p rotect people and property. Be as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show f or the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. Cheers, Robert _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From rcdm at outlawnet.com Fri Jul 17 16:52:05 2009 From: rcdm at outlawnet.com (Moorehead) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:52:05 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><839371.99058.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <70DD18BD4F734331A490EA4105EB2198@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <897474EE5DF544D89CDB2C7E03187AB2@DANE> Is it too early to start the "trash talk"? Rod M. -------------- next part -------------- Is it too early to start the "trash talk"? ? Rod M. From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 16:59:08 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 In-Reply-To: <897474EE5DF544D89CDB2C7E03187AB2@DANE> References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><839371.99058.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <70DD18BD4F734331A490EA4105EB2198@LaptopKrausert> <897474EE5DF544D89CDB2C7E03187AB2@DANE> Message-ID: <445115.62503.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Oh you are so going down!!!! I've been in your garage and all you have is slow, beat up?clunkers!!! :o) Peace and Love Brother. John H ________________________________ From: Moorehead To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:52:05 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Is it too early to start the "trash talk"? ? Rod M. -------------- next part -------------- Oh you are so going down!!!! I've been in your garage and all you have is slow, beat up?clunkers!!! ? :o) ? Peace and Love Brother. ? John H From: Moorehead To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:52:05 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Is it too early to start the "trash talk"? ? Rod M. From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 17:01:11 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:01:11 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><839371.99058.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><70DD18BD4F734331A490EA4105EB2198@LaptopKrausert> <897474EE5DF544D89CDB2C7E03187AB2@DANE> Message-ID: Not to early at all.. I should put a camera on my rocket "Back Off" facing dawn to get a picture of everyone elses rocket during the race. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moorehead" To: Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Is it too early to start the "trash talk"? Rod M. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 17:04:26 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 In-Reply-To: References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><839371.99058.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><70DD18BD4F734331A490EA4105EB2198@LaptopKrausert> <897474EE5DF544D89CDB2C7E03187AB2@DANE> Message-ID: <146852.17985.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dawn as in down? You'll get nuttin but smoke buddy!! Even Rods clunckers are faster than your lead sleds!!! :o) John H ________________________________ From: Robert Krausert To: Moorehead ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:01:11 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Not to early at all.. I should put a camera on my rocket "Back Off" facing dawn to get a picture of everyone elses rocket during the race. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moorehead" To: Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Is it too early to start the "trash talk"? Rod M. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Dawn as in down? You'll get nuttin but smoke buddy!! Even Rods clunckers are faster than your lead sleds!!! ? :o) ? John H From: Robert Krausert To: Moorehead ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:01:11 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Not to early at all.. I should put a camera on my rocket "Back Off" facing dawn to get a picture of everyone elses rocket during the race. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moorehead" < mailto:rcdm at outlawnet.com rcdm at outlawnet.com > To: < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Is it too early to start the "trash talk"? Rod M. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From rcdm at outlawnet.com Fri Jul 17 17:06:04 2009 From: rcdm at outlawnet.com (Moorehead) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:06:04 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><839371.99058.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><70DD18BD4F734331A490EA4105EB2198@LaptopKrausert> <897474EE5DF544D89CDB2C7E03187AB2@DANE> Message-ID: How's that quote go again? Age and experience beats youth and beauty every time. Rod M. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: Moorehead ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Not to early at all.. I should put a camera on my rocket "Back Off" facing dawn to get a picture of everyone elses rocket during the race. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moorehead" To: Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Is it too early to start the "trash talk"? Rod M. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -------------- next part -------------- How's that quote go again? ? Age and experience beats youth and beauty every time. ? Rod M. ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:rcdm at outlawnet.com Moorehead ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Not to early at all.. I should put a camera on my rocket "Back Off" facing dawn to get a picture of everyone elses rocket during the race. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moorehead" < mailto:rcdm at outlawnet.com rcdm at outlawnet.com > To: < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Is it too early to start the "trash talk"? Rod M. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From t.j.doll at att.net Fri Jul 17 17:07:49 2009 From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:07:49 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] foam, cfc's, and columbia Message-ID: <071820090007.22387.4A6112550007EB940000577322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Something that hasn't made sense to me since the Columbia disaster is: Why do they insist on putting the insulation on the OUTSIDE of the external tank? On the Saturn V the hydrogen tanks had the insulation on the inside of the tanks (and the S-V didn't even have anything important that could be damaged if the insulation came off and hit it). Tim -------------- next part -------------- Something that hasn't made sense to me since the Columbia disaster is: ? Why do they insist on putting the insulation on the OUTSIDE of the external tank?? On the Saturn V the hydrogen tanks had the insulation on the inside of the tanks (and the S-V didn't even have anything important that could be damaged if the insulation came off and hit it). ? Tim From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 17:12:30 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 In-Reply-To: References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><839371.99058.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><70DD18BD4F734331A490EA4105EB2198@LaptopKrausert> <897474EE5DF544D89CDB2C7E03187AB2@DANE> Message-ID: <63488.30922.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yeah I might be younger but dang I'm so much uglier than you. Um, er, I mean, um oh never mind......... Man I need to get a job and off the puter.....? :o) John ________________________________ From: Moorehead To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:06:04 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 How's that quote go again? ? Age and experience beats youth and beauty every time. ? Rod M. ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:rcdm at outlawnet.com Moorehead ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Not to early at all.. I should put a camera on my rocket "Back Off" facing dawn to get a picture of everyone elses rocket during the race. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moorehead" < mailto:rcdm at outlawnet.com rcdm at outlawnet.com > To: < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Is it too early to start the "trash talk"? Rod M. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -------------- next part -------------- Yeah I might be younger but dang I'm so much uglier than you. Um, er, I mean, um oh never mind......... ? ? Man I need to get a job and off the puter.....? :o) ? John From: Moorehead To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:06:04 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 How's that quote go again? ? Age and experience beats youth and beauty every time. ? Rod M. ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto: mailto:rcdm at outlawnet.com rcdm at outlawnet.com Moorehead ; mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Not to early at all.. I should put a camera on my rocket "Back Off" facing dawn to get a picture of everyone elses rocket during the race. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moorehead" < mailto: mailto:rcdm at outlawnet.com rcdm at outlawnet.com mailto:rcdm at outlawnet.com rcdm at outlawnet.com > To: < mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Is it too early to start the "trash talk"? Rod M. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto: mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From winningstad at comcast.net Fri Jul 17 17:12:54 2009 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:12:54 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 In-Reply-To: <712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Correction: It was an "N" motor :D Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 It is bad luck to be superstitious. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of John Hornsby Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:04 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 The launch is named after Gary Fillible who back in the 80's flew the first comercialy made single use M motor from a truck mounted launcher from this very site we will be flying from. I don't remember the diameter or the length of that rocket but having seen it I can say it was very large. He used two G motors for chute deployment that was very complex even in todays standards. Gary is an awsome indivigual. He has some of the coolest motors from all over the world. All of them are single use, and he even still has that M motor casing still to this day. An alaround great person to know. In my eyes a true pioneer of hobby rocketry. He is also a great story teller. Anything eles you want to know about this great person come to the launch and ask him. John R Hornsby ________________________________ From: "glech at aol.com" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert To: Robert Krausert ; members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com? mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org? mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com? mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am ? Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to exten d a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79- 10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/16" rods. ? Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to p rotect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show f or the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=July ExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 17:12:47 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:12:47 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><839371.99058.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><70DD18BD4F734331A490EA4105EB2198@LaptopKrausert><897474EE5DF544D89CDB2C7E03187AB2@DANE> <146852.17985.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Lead sled... I like that. And Rod's comment about age... Man, I guess I need to bring my dart. LOL ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hornsby" To: Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 > Dawn as in down? You'll get nuttin but smoke buddy!! Even Rods clunckers > are faster than your lead sleds!!! > > :o) > > John H > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Robert Krausert > To: Moorehead ; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:01:11 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember > 2009 > > Not to early at all.. > > I should put a camera on my rocket "Back Off" facing dawn to get a picture > of everyone elses rocket during the race. ;-) > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moorehead" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember > 2009 > > > Is it too early to start the "trash talk"? > > Rod M. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 17:15:24 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:15:24 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] foam, cfc's, and columbia References: <071820090007.22387.4A6112550007EB940000577322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Message-ID: <485FFE8C724945EFA18041A2E6C007BD@LaptopKrausert> It's easier to keep heat out versus trying to protect equipment once inside. I read it like a water leak. Prevent the leak from the source versus trying to prevent saturation once in. My comment. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rocket Lost" Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] foam, cfc's, and columbia > Something that hasn't made sense to me since the Columbia disaster is: > > Why do they insist on putting the insulation on the OUTSIDE of the > external tank? On the Saturn V the hydrogen tanks had the insulation on > the inside of the tanks (and the S-V didn't even have anything important > that could be damaged if the insulation came off and hit it). > > Tim > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Something that hasn't made sense to me since the Columbia disaster is: Why do they insist on putting the insulation on the OUTSIDE of the external tank? On the Saturn V the hydrogen tanks had the insulation on the inside of the tanks (and the S-V didn't even have anything important that could be damaged if the insulation came off and hit it). Tim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 17:19:40 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 In-Reply-To: References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <834477.42453.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ok I'm wrong. I though he said it was an M. Any how you slice it it was cool. And the video of it was even cooler. Then I had to read the story about it in the magazine that did the article on the flight. And for the life of me I can't remember the magazine it was in. I think my memory has slipped with my hair line. John H ________________________________ From: Dennis Winningstad To: John Hornsby ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:12:54 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Correction:? It was an "N" motor :D Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 It is bad luck to be superstitious. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of John Hornsby Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:04 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 The launch is named after Gary Fillible who back in the 80's flew the first comercialy made single use M motor from a truck mounted launcher from this very site we will be flying from. I don't remember the diameter or the length of that rocket but having seen it I can say it was very large. He used two G motors for chute deployment that was very complex even in todays standards. Gary is an awsome indivigual. He has some of the coolest motors from all over the world. All of them are single use, and he even still has that M motor casing still to this day. An alaround great person to know. In my eyes a true pioneer of hobby rocketry. He is also a great story teller. Anything eles you want to know about this great person come to the launch and ask him. John R Hornsby ________________________________ From: "glech at aol.com" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert To: Robert Krausert ; members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com? mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org? mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com? mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am ? Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to exten d a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79- 10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/16" rods. ? Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to p rotect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show f or the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=July ExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! -------------- next part -------------- Ok I'm wrong. I though he said it was an M. Any how you slice it it was cool. And the video of it was even cooler. Then I had to read the story about it in the magazine that did the article on the flight. And for the life of me I can't remember the magazine it was in. I think my memory has slipped with my hair line. ? John H From: Dennis Winningstad To: John Hornsby ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:12:54 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Correction:? It was an "N" motor :D Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 It is bad luck to be superstitious. -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of John Hornsby Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:04 PM To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 The launch is named after Gary Fillible who back in the 80's flew the first comercialy made single use M motor from a truck mounted launcher from this very site we will be flying from. I don't remember the diameter or the length of that rocket but having seen it I can say it was very large. He used two G motors for chute deployment that was very complex even in todays standards. Gary is an awsome indivigual. He has some of the coolest motors from all over the world. All of them are single use, and he even still has that M motor casing still to this day. An alaround great person to know. In my eyes a true pioneer of hobby rocketry. He is also a great story teller. Anything eles you want to know about this great person come to the launch and ask him. John R Hornsby ________________________________ From: " mailto:glech at aol.com glech at aol.com " < mailto:glech at aol.com glech at aol.com > To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: Robert Krausert < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com >; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com ? mailto: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ? mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ? mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am ? Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to exten d a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79- 10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/16" rods. ? Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to p rotect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show f or the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto: mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=July ExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! ? ? ? From winningstad at comcast.net Fri Jul 17 17:22:20 2009 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:22:20 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 In-Reply-To: <834477.42453.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <834477.42453.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Get used to it, John.it only gets worse! And YES!! It was, like, way-cool.buried the P/U Truck in smoke.the music he put on that video was great. Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 It is bad luck to be superstitious. _____ From: John Hornsby [mailto:jhornsby3 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:20 PM To: Dennis Winningstad; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Ok I'm wrong. I though he said it was an M. Any how you slice it it was cool. And the video of it was even cooler. Then I had to read the story about it in the magazine that did the article on the flight. And for the life of me I can't remember the magazine it was in. I think my memory has slipped with my hair line. John H _____ From: Dennis Winningstad To: John Hornsby ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:12:54 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Correction: It was an "N" motor :D Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 It is bad luck to be superstitious. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of John Hornsby Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:04 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 The launch is named after Gary Fillible who back in the 80's flew the first comercialy made single use M motor from a truck mounted launcher from this very site we will be flying from. I don't remember the diameter or the length of that rocket but having seen it I can say it was very large. He used two G motors for chute deployment that was very complex even in todays standards. Gary is an awsome indivigual. He has some of the coolest motors from all over the world. All of them are single use, and he even still has that M motor casing still to this day. An alaround great person to know. In my eyes a true pioneer of hobby rocketry. He is also a great story teller. Anything eles you want to know about this great person come to the launch and ask him. John R Hornsby ________________________________ From: "glech at aol.com" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert To: Robert Krausert ; members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com? mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org? mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com? mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ www.oregonrocketry.com . Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. This is the forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. This year there will be three drag race events. Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to exten d a second event, so first come first on the list. Fillible's G79- 10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either 1/8" or 3/16" rods. Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to p rotect people and property. Be as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show f or the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. Cheers, Robert _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=July ExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! -------------- next part -------------- Get used to it, John???it only gets worse! And YES!! It was, like, way-cool???buried the P/U Truck in smoke???the music he put on that video was great??? ? Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 ? It is bad luck to be superstitious. From: John Hornsby [mailto:jhornsby3 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:20 PM To: Dennis Winningstad; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 ? Ok I'm wrong. I though he said it was an M. Any how you slice it it was cool. And the video of it was even cooler. Then I had to read the story about it in the magazine that did the article on the flight. And for the life of me I can't remember the magazine it was in. I think my memory has slipped with my hair line. ? John H ? From: Dennis Winningstad To: John Hornsby ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:12:54 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Correction:? It was an "N" motor :D Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 It is bad luck to be superstitious. -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of John Hornsby Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:04 PM To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 The launch is named after Gary Fillible who back in the 80's flew the first comercialy made single use M motor from a truck mounted launcher from this very site we will be flying from. I don't remember the diameter or the length of that rocket but having seen it I can say it was very large. He used two G motors for chute deployment that was very complex even in todays standards. Gary is an awsome indivigual. He has some of the coolest motors from all over the world. All of them are single use, and he even still has that M motor casing still to this day. An alaround great person to know. In my eyes a true pioneer of hobby rocketry. He is also a great story teller. Anything eles you want to know about this great person come to the launch and ask him. John R Hornsby ________________________________ From: " mailto:glech at aol.com glech at aol.com " < mailto:glech at aol.com glech at aol.com > To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: Robert Krausert < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com >; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com ? mailto: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ? mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ? mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon . Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan . Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am ? Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to exten d a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79- 10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/16" rods. ? Rules: All OROC , TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to p rotect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show f or the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto: mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=July ExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! ? ? ? ? From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 17:22:47 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 In-Reply-To: References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><839371.99058.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><70DD18BD4F734331A490EA4105EB2198@LaptopKrausert><897474EE5DF544D89CDB2C7E03187AB2@DANE> <146852.17985.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <717707.37626.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have more than a few days. I could make a dart too.? :o) John H ________________________________ From: Robert Krausert To: John Hornsby ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:12:47 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Lead sled... I like that. And Rod's comment about age... Man, I guess I need to bring my dart. LOL ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hornsby" To: Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 > Dawn as in down? You'll get nuttin but smoke buddy!! Even Rods clunckers > are faster than your lead sleds!!! > > :o) > > John H > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Robert Krausert > To: Moorehead ; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:01:11 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember > 2009 > > Not to early at all.. > > I should put a camera on my rocket "Back Off" facing dawn to get a picture > of everyone elses rocket during the race. ;-) > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moorehead" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember > 2009 > > > Is it too early to start the "trash talk"? > > Rod M. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -------------- next part -------------- I have more than a few days. I could make a dart too.? :o) ? John H From: Robert Krausert To: John Hornsby ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:12:47 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Lead sled... I like that. And Rod's comment about age... Man, I guess I need to bring my dart. LOL ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hornsby" < mailto:jhornsby3 at yahoo.com jhornsby3 at yahoo.com > To: < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 > Dawn as in down? You'll get nuttin but smoke buddy!! Even Rods clunckers > are faster than your lead sleds!!! > > :o) > > John H > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Robert Krausert < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com > > To: Moorehead < mailto:rcdm at outlawnet.com rcdm at outlawnet.com >; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:01:11 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember > 2009 > > Not to early at all.. > > I should put a camera on my rocket "Back Off" facing dawn to get a picture > of everyone elses rocket during the race. ;-) > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moorehead" < mailto:rcdm at outlawnet.com rcdm at outlawnet.com > > To: < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember > 2009 > > > Is it too early to start the "trash talk"? > > Rod M. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 17:32:26 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:32:26 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [ot] News guy lost References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><839371.99058.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><70DD18BD4F734331A490EA4105EB2198@LaptopKrausert><897474EE5DF544D89CDB2C7E03187AB2@DANE> <146852.17985.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <717707.37626.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What?!!! Walter died. I grew up with him. Regrets, Robert -------------- next part -------------- What?!!! Walter died. I grew up with him. ? Regrets, Robert From deyv at europa.com Fri Jul 17 17:55:03 2009 From: deyv at europa.com (Dave Connet) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:55:03 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 In-Reply-To: <712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert> <8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A611D67.2020502@europa.com> Gary Fillible - TRA 020 -------------- next part -------------- Gary Fillible - TRA 020 From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Jul 17 18:25:11 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:25:11 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] UAV Tracking Antenna Message-ID: <4A612477.8060504@earthlink.net> Maybe this could be applied to rocketry? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCHgS-0TUsE From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 18:56:01 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 In-Reply-To: References: <7BE240301097451EAE250D3B8FBB896A@LaptopKrausert><8CBD51D509731B0-9FC-9D3@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <712283.86421.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <834477.42453.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500735.47204.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yo big "D". I'm married. I'm ALWAYS wrong. :o) And after 12 years I had better be used to it. :o) John H ________________________________ From: Dennis Winningstad To: John Hornsby ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:22:20 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Get used to it, John???it only gets worse!?? And YES!!?? It was, like, way-cool???buried the P/U Truck in smoke???the music he put on that video was great??? ?? Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 ?? It is bad luck to be superstitious. ________________________________ From:John Hornsby [mailto:jhornsby3 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:20 PM To: Dennis Winningstad; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 ?? Ok I'm wrong. I though he said it was an M. Any how you slice it it was cool. And the video of it was even cooler. Then I had to read the story about it in the magazine that did the article on the flight. And for the life of me I can't remember the magazine it was in. I think my memory has slipped with my hair line. ?? John H ?? ________________________________ From:Dennis Winningstad To: John Hornsby ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:12:54 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Correction:?? It was an "N" motor :D Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 It is bad luck to be superstitious. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of John Hornsby Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:04 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 The launch is named after Gary Fillible who back in the 80's flew the first comercialy made single use M motor from a truck mounted launcher from this very site we will be flying from. I don't remember the diameter or the length of that rocket but having seen it I can say it was very large. He used two G motors for chute deployment that was very complex even in todays standards. Gary is an awsome indivigual. He has some of the coolest motors from all over the world. All of them are single use, and he even still has that M motor casing still to this day. An alaround great person to know. In my eyes a true pioneer of hobby rocketry. He is also a great story teller. Anything eles you want to know about this great person come to the launch and ask him. John R Hornsby ________________________________ From: "glech at aol.com" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert To: Robert Krausert ; members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com? mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org? mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com? mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ?? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon . Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ www.oregonrocketry.com .??Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ?? This is the??forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan . Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ?? This year there will be three drag race events. ?? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am ?? Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ?? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.??Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to exten d a second event, so first come first on the list. ?? Fillible's G79- 10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ?? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either??1/8" or 3/16" rods. ?? Rules: All OROC , TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to p rotect people and property. Be??as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ?? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ?? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval??Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ?? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ?? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show f or the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ?? Cheers, Robert ?? ?? ?? ?? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=July ExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! -------------- next part -------------- Yo big "D". I'm married. I'm ALWAYS wrong. :o) And after 12 years I had better be used to it. :o) ? John H From: Dennis Winningstad To: John Hornsby ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:22:20 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Get used to it, John???it only gets worse!? And YES!!? It was, like, way-cool???buried the P/U Truck in smoke???the music he put on that video was great??? ? Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 ? It is bad luck to be superstitious. From: John Hornsby [mailto:jhornsby3 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:20 PM To: Dennis Winningstad; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 ? Ok I'm wrong. I though he said it was an M. Any how you slice it it was cool. And the video of it was even cooler. Then I had to read the story about it in the magazine that did the article on the flight. And for the life of me I can't remember the magazine it was in. I think my memory has slipped with my hair line. ? John H ? From: Dennis Winningstad To: John Hornsby ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:12:54 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 Correction:? It was an "N" motor :D Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 It is bad luck to be superstitious. -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of John Hornsby Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:04 PM To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 The launch is named after Gary Fillible who back in the 80's flew the first comercialy made single use M motor from a truck mounted launcher from this very site we will be flying from. I don't remember the diameter or the length of that rocket but having seen it I can say it was very large. He used two G motors for chute deployment that was very complex even in todays standards. Gary is an awsome indivigual. He has some of the coolest motors from all over the world. All of them are single use, and he even still has that M motor casing still to this day. An alaround great person to know. In my eyes a true pioneer of hobby rocketry. He is also a great story teller. Anything eles you want to know about this great person come to the launch and ask him. John R Hornsby ________________________________ From: " mailto:glech at aol.com glech at aol.com " < mailto:glech at aol.com glech at aol.com > To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:44:05 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 I readily admit I'm a rookie rocketeer but it seems to me that an 1/8" or 3/16" rod is pretty slim for a G motor. Am I misunderstanding something? And who's Fillible? I know of Filby in the classic movie The Time Machine? All replies for the new guy are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gary Lech TRA 12334 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: Robert Krausert < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com >; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Rod size correction 1/8" or 3/16" rods. See below. NOT 3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com ? mailto: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ? mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ? mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon . Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ http://www.oregonrocketry.com/ www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan . Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am ? Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to exten d a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79- 10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/16" rods. ? Rules: All OROC , TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to p rotect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show f or the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto: mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets An Excellent Credit Score is 750. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=July ExcfooterNO62 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! ? ? ? ? From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 18:59:27 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:59:27 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] UAV Tracking Antenna References: <4A612477.8060504@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Robert Well, now you've done it. This will certainly get the attention of Big Red Bee's Greg Clark. I can see the name of Greg's kit now. "The Swarm." Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] UAV Tracking Antenna > Maybe this could be applied to rocketry? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCHgS-0TUsE > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From stefan_jones at comcast.net Fri Jul 17 19:11:06 2009 From: stefan_jones at comcast.net (stefan_jones at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [RocketsNW] [ot] News guy lost In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161585118.2549981247883066759.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> There's no tragedy here; Cronkite had a long life and a great career. But . . . usually in situations like this I say "sad but not sorry." But I'm sorry he didn't make it to Monday. If he was of sound mind it would have been great to have him on hand for reminiscing about the 40th anniversary of the moon landing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Krausert" To: "John Hornsby" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:32:26 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] [ot] News guy lost What?!!! Walter died. I grew up with him. Regrets, Robert -------------- next part -------------- There's no tragedy here; Cronkite had a long life and a great career. But . . . usually in situations like this I say "sad but not sorry." But I'm sorry he didn't make it to Monday. If he was of sound mind it would have been great to have him on hand for reminiscing about the 40th anniversary of the moon landing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Krausert" To: "John Hornsby" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:32:26 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] [ot] News guy lost What?!!! Walter died. I grew up with him. Regrets, Robert From sb at berfield.com Fri Jul 17 22:03:54 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:03:54 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites today at 11:00AM PDT/2:00PM EDT Message-ID: Too cool. In the blow up of the Apollo 14 site you can see the trail of footprints. -----Original Message----- From: Hammer [mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 09:57 AM To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites today at 11:00AM PDT/2:00PM EDT http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/jul/HQ_M09-133_LRO_Apollo_sites.html NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites GREENBELT, Md. -- NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, or LRO, has sent back its first images of Apollo lunar landing sites. The agency will release the images Friday, July 17, at noon and hold a teleconference at 2 p.m. EDT to discuss the photos and future plans for the LRO mission. Participating in the teleconference are: Michael Wargo, chief lunar scientist, NASA Headquarters, Washington Richard Vondrak, project scientist, Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. Mark Robinson, principal investigator, Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera, Arizona State University To participate in the teleconference, reporters should contact Grey Hautaluoma at 202-358-0668 or Andy Freeberg at 301-286-0746, by noon Friday. To listen to the event online, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/newsaudio _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Too cool. In the blow up of the Apollo 14 site you can see the trail of footprints. -----Original Message----- From: Hammer [mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 09:57 AM To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites today at 11:00AM PDT/2:00PM EDT http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/jul/HQ_M09-133_LRO_Apollo_sites.html NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites GREENBELT, Md. -- NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, or LRO, has sent back its first images of Apollo lunar landing sites. The agency will release the images Friday, July 17, at noon and hold a teleconference at 2 p.m. EDT to discuss the photos and future plans for the LRO mission. Participating in the teleconference are: Michael Wargo, chief lunar scientist, NASA Headquarters, Washington Richard Vondrak, project scientist, Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. Mark Robinson, principal investigator, Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera, Arizona State University To participate in the teleconference, reporters should contact Grey Hautaluoma at 202-358-0668 or Andy Freeberg at 301-286-0746, by noon Friday. To listen to the event online, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/newsaudio _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sat Jul 18 01:28:42 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] foam, cfc's, and columbia In-Reply-To: <071820090007.22387.4A6112550007EB940000577322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF 0404010BD206D29B@att.net> References: <071820090007.22387.4A6112550007EB940000577322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Message-ID: <401f6433b045dac3a989084a58b87c90.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> I wondered about that from the start. Seems crazy to use a foam surface exposed to slipstream speeds up to 2000 mph. I think it has to do with having to use an inner liner between the cryogenic propellants and the foam, adding extra weight. Any sloughed-off foam going through the turbopumps would cause a heck of a lot more trouble than glancing off the orbiter. And you sure as hell wouldn't want to have LOX soaking into an organic foam(I think the term for that is "Sprengel explosives.") The best solution was to use a tough foam on the exterior. The engineers didn't think foam strikes would do much damage. And the original degreasers and foam-creating gas were simply better than the eco-friendly substitutes at producing a tough, well-adhered foam. And it's probably cheaper to put the foam on the outside. IOW, it seemed like a good idea at the time. Now, the idea a few years ago to use 'environmentally friendly' chlorine-free oxidizers in ICBM's is a real head-scratcher. +McG+ > Something that hasn't made sense to me since the Columbia disaster is: > > Why do they insist on putting the insulation on the OUTSIDE of the > external tank? On the Saturn V the hydrogen tanks had the insulation on > the inside of the tanks (and the S-V didn't even have anything important > that could be damaged if the insulation came off and hit it). > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sat Jul 18 01:47:43 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites today at 11:00AM PDT/2:00PM EDT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0a5769b99c3f3cb35e682f04e6d6fcd3.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Awesome. And now we know the alien moonpeople haven't cleaned up after us to hide evidence of intelligent life on Earth! :-0 +McG+ > Too cool. In the blow up of the Apollo 14 site you can see the trail of > footprints. > -----Original Message----- > From: > Hammer [mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net] > Sent: > Friday, July 17, 2009 09:57 AM > To: > 'NW Rocketry mailing list' > Subject: > [RocketsNW] NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites > today at 11:00AM PDT/2:00PM EDT > http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/jul/HQ_M09-133_LRO_Apollo_sites.html > NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites GREENBELT, > Md. -- NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, or LRO, has sent back its > first images of Apollo lunar landing sites. The agency will release the > images Friday, July 17, at noon and hold a teleconference at 2 p.m. EDT to > discuss the photos and future plans for the LRO mission. Participating in > the teleconference are: Michael Wargo, chief lunar scientist, NASA > Headquarters, Washington Richard Vondrak, project scientist, Lunar > Reconnaissance Orbiter, NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. > Mark Robinson, principal investigator, Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter > Camera, Arizona State University To participate in the teleconference, > reporters should contact Grey Hautaluoma at 202-358-0668 or Andy Freeberg > at 301-286-0746, by noon Friday. To listen to the event online, visit: > http://www.nasa.gov/newsaudio > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 13:13:16 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:13:16 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Build & Fly Rocket Events @ Hillsboro Hobby Shop Message-ID: <99A0A4AF45CE4261956A6CB11E4B8009@LaptopKrausert> Reminder: The next Build & Fly event at Hillsboro Hobby Shop is August 1st from noon till 3pm. Right now Greg has only one person signed up. We need more people to hold the event. Please review details below, including the ways to RSVP. If you're interested, please notify Greg at Hillsboro Hobby Shop. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Build & Fly Rocket Events @ Hillsboro Hobby Shop Interested in building a model rocket or two? Got family and neighbors that have kids that might be interested in building and flying some rockets? Hillsboro Hobby Shop AND OregonRocketry are proud to present the: The second annual "Build and Fly" events will be held at Hillsboro Hobby Shop on August 1st and September 5th. Invite friends, family members, and kids to join us at one or both events. From 12:00pm to 3:00pm on Saturday August 1st and Saturday September 5th. Show up with your group and purchase some rockets from Hillsboro Hobby Shop. Then spend time with all of us in their back room building them. The store with provide glue and other building tools. Hillsboro Hobby Shop has a great selection of model rockets, something for everyone. This is a fun event. Lots of rocket talk, building of rockets, and sharing knowledge of rocketry and building techniques. Spread the word. Let others know, forward this along. RSVP Please Call or Visit: If you plan to attend a build event, please contact Hillsboro Hobby Shop (ask to be added to the sign-up sheet) Hillsboro Hobby Shop 345 E Main Street Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)-648-3788 Now this is a Build and Fly event. The fly part come each of the following weekends. If you're going to fly at one of the launch events below, do not forget some motors. Build your rocket August 1st @ Hillsboro Hobby Shop and then fly your rocket: Sunday August 9th - 3:00pm to 5:00pm OregonRocketry Model Rocket Launch at Wilsonville Memorial Park Build your rocket September 5th @ Hillsboro Hobby Shop and then fly your rocket: Saturday September 12th from 8:00 am to 10:00 pm and Sunday September 13th from 8:00 am to 3:00 pm OregonRocketry largest launch event of the year at Sheridan More information about OregonRocketry launches and directions at www.oregonrocketry.com. Cheers, Robert OROC President -------------- next part -------------- Reminder: The next Build & Fly event at Hillsboro Hobby Shop is August 1st from noon till 3pm. Right now Greg has only one person signed up. We need more people to hold the event. Please review details below, including the ways to RSVP. If you're interested, please notify Greg at Hillsboro Hobby Shop. ? Cheers, Robert ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Build & Fly Rocket Events @ Hillsboro Hobby Shop Interested in building a model rocket or two? Got family and neighbors that have kids that might be interested in building and flying some rockets? ? Hillsboro Hobby Shop AND OregonRocketry are proud to present the: ? The second annual "Build and Fly" events will be held at Hillsboro Hobby Shop on August 1st and September 5th. Invite friends, family members, and kids to join us at one or both events. From 12:00pm to 3:00pm on Saturday August 1st and Saturday September 5th. Show up with your group and purchase some rockets from Hillsboro Hobby Shop. Then spend time with all of us in their back room building them. The store with provide glue and other building tools. Hillsboro Hobby Shop has a great selection of model rockets, something for everyone. This is a fun event. Lots of rocket talk, building of rockets, and sharing?knowledge of rocketry and building techniques. ? Spread the word. Let others know, forward this along. ? RSVP Please Call or Visit: If you plan to attend a build event, please contact Hillsboro Hobby Shop (ask to be added to the sign-up sheet) Hillsboro Hobby Shop 345 E Main Street Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)-648-3788 ? Now this is a Build and Fly event. The fly part come each of the following weekends. If you're going to fly at one of the launch events below, do not forget some motors. ? Build your rocket August 1st @ Hillsboro Hobby Shop and then fly your rocket: Sunday August 9th - 3:00pm to 5:00pm OregonRocketry Model Rocket Launch at Wilsonville Memorial Park ? Build your rocket September 5th @ Hillsboro Hobby Shop and then fly your rocket: Saturday September 12th from 8:00 am to 10:00 pm and Sunday September 13th from 8:00 am to 3:00 pm OregonRocketry largest launch event of the year?at Sheridan ? More information about OregonRocketry launches and directions at http://www.oregonrocketry.com www.oregonrocketry.com . ? Cheers, Robert OROC President ? ? ? ? From krislhull at comcast.net Sat Jul 18 21:21:20 2009 From: krislhull at comcast.net (Kristopher Hull) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:21:20 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites today at 11:00AM PDT/2:00PM EDT In-Reply-To: <0a5769b99c3f3cb35e682f04e6d6fcd3.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> References: <0a5769b99c3f3cb35e682f04e6d6fcd3.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Message-ID: <000001ca0828$5eab2930$1c017b90$@net> Where can I find the images? I have been out of the loop the past few days due to a computer failure... Kris Hull -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:48 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites today at 11:00AM PDT/2:00PM EDT Awesome. And now we know the alien moonpeople haven't cleaned up after us to hide evidence of intelligent life on Earth! :-0 +McG+ > Too cool. In the blow up of the Apollo 14 site you can see the trail of > footprints. > -----Original Message----- > From: > Hammer [mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net] > Sent: > Friday, July 17, 2009 09:57 AM > To: > 'NW Rocketry mailing list' > Subject: > [RocketsNW] NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites > today at 11:00AM PDT/2:00PM EDT > http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/jul/HQ_M09-133_LRO_Apollo_sites.html > NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites GREENBELT, > Md. -- NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, or LRO, has sent back its > first images of Apollo lunar landing sites. The agency will release the > images Friday, July 17, at noon and hold a teleconference at 2 p.m. EDT to > discuss the photos and future plans for the LRO mission. Participating in > the teleconference are: Michael Wargo, chief lunar scientist, NASA > Headquarters, Washington Richard Vondrak, project scientist, Lunar > Reconnaissance Orbiter, NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. > Mark Robinson, principal investigator, Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter > Camera, Arizona State University To participate in the teleconference, > reporters should contact Grey Hautaluoma at 202-358-0668 or Andy Freeberg > at 301-286-0746, by noon Friday. To listen to the event online, visit: > http://www.nasa.gov/newsaudio > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From krislhull at comcast.net Sat Jul 18 21:29:22 2009 From: krislhull at comcast.net (Kristopher Hull) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:29:22 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites today at 11:00AM PDT/2:00PM EDT In-Reply-To: <000001ca0828$5eab2930$1c017b90$@net> References: <0a5769b99c3f3cb35e682f04e6d6fcd3.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> <000001ca0828$5eab2930$1c017b90$@net> Message-ID: <000001ca0829$7df6fb60$79e4f220$@net> Never mind, I found them! -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Kristopher Hull Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:21 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites today at 11:00AM PDT/2:00PM EDT Where can I find the images? I have been out of the loop the past few days due to a computer failure... Kris Hull -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:48 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites today at 11:00AM PDT/2:00PM EDT Awesome. And now we know the alien moonpeople haven't cleaned up after us to hide evidence of intelligent life on Earth! :-0 +McG+ > Too cool. In the blow up of the Apollo 14 site you can see the trail of > footprints. > -----Original Message----- > From: > Hammer [mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net] > Sent: > Friday, July 17, 2009 09:57 AM > To: > 'NW Rocketry mailing list' > Subject: > [RocketsNW] NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites > today at 11:00AM PDT/2:00PM EDT > http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/jul/HQ_M09-133_LRO_Apollo_sites.html > NASA Briefs Media on New Images of Apollo Lunar Landing Sites GREENBELT, > Md. -- NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, or LRO, has sent back its > first images of Apollo lunar landing sites. The agency will release the > images Friday, July 17, at noon and hold a teleconference at 2 p.m. EDT to > discuss the photos and future plans for the LRO mission. Participating in > the teleconference are: Michael Wargo, chief lunar scientist, NASA > Headquarters, Washington Richard Vondrak, project scientist, Lunar > Reconnaissance Orbiter, NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. > Mark Robinson, principal investigator, Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter > Camera, Arizona State University To participate in the teleconference, > reporters should contact Grey Hautaluoma at 202-358-0668 or Andy Freeberg > at 301-286-0746, by noon Friday. To listen to the event online, visit: > http://www.nasa.gov/newsaudio > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bigrockets at verizon.net Sat Jul 18 22:13:37 2009 From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:13:37 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New HOK product Message-ID: <000001ca082f$ac53d220$04fb7660$@net> I was on the House of Kolor website the other day and noticed a new flat clear coat. This is a great idea. I have some flattening agent but it takes a bit of experimentation to get it right. The one time I tried it all I got was a semi-gloss. This flat clear would be great for military paint schemes such as my Hawk. I haven't shot any of it yet so I don't know if the texture is still smooth or a bit rough. I'll keep the board posted on it. Dave Proffitt -------------- next part -------------- cid:image001.jpg at 01CA07F4.FEC2BBB0 I was on the House of Kolor website the other day and noticed a new flat clear coat. This is? a great idea. I have some flattening agent but it takes a bit of experimentation to get it right. The one time I tried it all I got was a semi-gloss. This flat clear would be great for military paint schemes such as my Hawk. I haven???t shot any of it yet so I don???t know if the texture is still smooth or a bit rough. I???ll keep the board posted on it. Dave Proffitt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2257 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20090718/3adb1b55/attachment.obj From jim at jmw29221.com Sun Jul 19 08:40:30 2009 From: jim at jmw29221.com (jim at jmw29221.com) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:40:30 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP Message-ID: Hi folks - Interesting reading. Regards Jim http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf From rmoscoe at msn.com Sun Jul 19 10:37:03 2009 From: rmoscoe at msn.com (Gwen Moscoe) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:37:03 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I see in this an interesting direction should the ATF choose to pursue it. Note the term "black powder rocket motor components" in the letter. Few H-J commercial rocket motors are "only APCP". Rather, they are APCP with a black powder charge beyond a delay element, either shipped integrated (CTI) or as a separate item (AT). What are the chances that ATF may use this distinction to regulate motors again? I could foresee a day where the commercial manufacturers end up shipping all reloads and single-use motors sans BP. Just a thought... ~Gwen -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:40 AM To: "Rockets" Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP > Hi folks - Interesting reading. > > Regards > Jim > > http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From jhadv at pacifier.com Sun Jul 19 10:48:29 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:48:29 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090719104609.00c2e658@mail.iinet.com> I don't see anything nefarious in the BATFE letter just a bunch of legaleese so people don't forget the black powder rules or AP rules that still apply. Also CTI uses smokless in their ejection charges not black powder and I can't say what At ships in those cute little vials as I have never used any. From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Sun Jul 19 12:03:16 2009 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:03:16 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE20991E62A9@BL2PRD0102MB015.prod.exchangelabs.com> Interesting. I wonder what they define an "ammonium perchlorate explosive mixture" to be......... Also, does anyone know of a "regulated black powder rocket engine"??? -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of jim at jmw29221.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:41 AM To: Rockets Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP Hi folks - Interesting reading. Regards Jim http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From dmobley at rocketryplanet.com Sun Jul 19 12:13:21 2009 From: dmobley at rocketryplanet.com (Darrell D. Mobley) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:13:21 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP In-Reply-To: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE20991E62A9@BL2PRD0102MB015.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE20991E62A9@BL2PRD0102MB015.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <62ADD017F0E6475C89EF81C1EDE4D65B@HP9925NR> G, H, I Rocketflite Silver Streaks... > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Brad Wright > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:03 PM > To: jim at jmw29221.com; Rockets > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP > > Interesting. I wonder what they define an "ammonium perchlorate explosive > mixture" to be......... > > Also, does anyone know of a "regulated black powder rocket engine"??? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of jim at jmw29221.com > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:41 AM > To: Rockets > Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP > > Hi folks - Interesting reading. > > Regards > Jim > > http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From dmobley at rocketryplanet.com Sun Jul 19 12:21:02 2009 From: dmobley at rocketryplanet.com (Darrell D. Mobley) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:21:02 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090719104609.00c2e658@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090719104609.00c2e658@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: CTI uses black powder in their ejection charges... > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:48 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP > > I don't see anything nefarious in the BATFE letter just a bunch of > legaleese so people don't forget the black powder rules or AP rules that > still apply. Also CTI uses smokless in their ejection charges not black > powder and I can't say what At ships in those cute little vials as I have > never used any. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From bbeck7 at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 12:51:14 2009 From: bbeck7 at gmail.com (bruce beck) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:51:14 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP In-Reply-To: <69adffb0907191248t870a7ddvd4ed2afa6646b09e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE20991E62A9@BL2PRD0102MB015.prod.exchangelabs.com> <62ADD017F0E6475C89EF81C1EDE4D65B@HP9925NR> <69adffb0907191248t870a7ddvd4ed2afa6646b09e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69adffb0907191251s769f9e0ap9abdf770771379ad@mail.gmail.com> I should have said providing the diameter of the charge exceeds the critical diameter of the explosive. On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 1:48 PM, bruce beck wrote: > On page 366 of the Chemistry of Powder and Explosives,by Tenney L. Davis ,a > couple of AP explosives are listed .One has the formula 86% AP/ 14% > parafin.Probably any AP propellant with 86% or more of AP may be detonated > providing the critical diameter is large enough. > > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Darrell D. Mobley < > dmobley at rocketryplanet.com> wrote: > >> G, H, I Rocketflite Silver Streaks... >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: >> rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >> > On Behalf Of Brad Wright >> > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:03 PM >> > To: jim at jmw29221.com; Rockets >> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP >> > >> > Interesting. I wonder what they define an "ammonium perchlorate >> explosive >> > mixture" to be......... >> > >> > Also, does anyone know of a "regulated black powder rocket engine"??? >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: >> rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >> > On Behalf Of jim at jmw29221.com >> > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:41 AM >> > To: Rockets >> > Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP >> > >> > Hi folks - Interesting reading. >> > >> > Regards >> > Jim >> > >> > http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockets mailing list >> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockets mailing list >> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 1:48 PM, bruce beck < mailto:bbeck7 at gmail.com bbeck7 at gmail.com > wrote: On page 366 of the Chemistry of Powder and Explosives,by Tenney L. Davis ,a couple of AP explosives are listed .One has the formula 86% AP/ 14% parafin.Probably any AP propellant with 86% or more of AP may be detonated providing the critical diameter is large enough. On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Darrell D. Mobley < mailto:dmobley at rocketryplanet.com dmobley at rocketryplanet.com > wrote: G, H, I Rocketflite Silver Streaks... > -----Original Message----- > From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] > On Behalf Of Brad Wright > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:03 PM > To: mailto:jim at jmw29221.com jim at jmw29221.com ; Rockets > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP > > Interesting. ?I wonder what they define an "ammonium perchlorate explosive > mixture" to be......... > > Also, does anyone know of a "regulated black powder rocket engine"??? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] > On Behalf Of mailto:jim at jmw29221.com jim at jmw29221.com > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:41 AM > To: Rockets > Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP > > Hi folks - Interesting reading. > > Regards > Jim > > http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bbeck7 at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 12:48:00 2009 From: bbeck7 at gmail.com (bruce beck) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:48:00 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP In-Reply-To: <62ADD017F0E6475C89EF81C1EDE4D65B@HP9925NR> References: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE20991E62A9@BL2PRD0102MB015.prod.exchangelabs.com> <62ADD017F0E6475C89EF81C1EDE4D65B@HP9925NR> Message-ID: <69adffb0907191248t870a7ddvd4ed2afa6646b09e@mail.gmail.com> On page 366 of the Chemistry of Powder and Explosives,by Tenney L. Davis ,a couple of AP explosives are listed .One has the formula 86% AP/ 14% parafin.Probably any AP propellant with 86% or more of AP may be detonated providing the critical diameter is large enough. On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Darrell D. Mobley < dmobley at rocketryplanet.com> wrote: > G, H, I Rocketflite Silver Streaks... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > > On Behalf Of Brad Wright > > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:03 PM > > To: jim at jmw29221.com; Rockets > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP > > > > Interesting. I wonder what they define an "ammonium perchlorate > explosive > > mixture" to be......... > > > > Also, does anyone know of a "regulated black powder rocket engine"??? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > > On Behalf Of jim at jmw29221.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:41 AM > > To: Rockets > > Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP > > > > Hi folks - Interesting reading. > > > > Regards > > Jim > > > > http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Darrell D. Mobley < mailto:dmobley at rocketryplanet.com dmobley at rocketryplanet.com > wrote: G, H, I Rocketflite Silver Streaks... > -----Original Message----- > From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] > On Behalf Of Brad Wright > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:03 PM > To: mailto:jim at jmw29221.com jim at jmw29221.com ; Rockets > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP > > Interesting. ?I wonder what they define an "ammonium perchlorate explosive > mixture" to be......... > > Also, does anyone know of a "regulated black powder rocket engine"??? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] > On Behalf Of mailto:jim at jmw29221.com jim at jmw29221.com > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:41 AM > To: Rockets > Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP > > Hi folks - Interesting reading. > > Regards > Jim > > http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 13:25:58 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:25:58 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP References: Message-ID: <8C215681780345B7A540AD056F278D40@LaptopKrausert> Ken / Trip, FYI. Four months and a day, AFT finally releases the open-letter. At least they're timely. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockets" Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP > Hi folks - Interesting reading. > > Regards > Jim > > http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 18:04:11 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:04:11 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Message-ID: Drag Race spots remaining; #1; 6 open #2; 8 open #3; 0 closed (Ian Love, Carl Degner, Bob Welsh, John Hornsby, Charles Sekafetz, Joe Bevier, Gary Harris, Norm Lockhart, Rod Moorehead, Chuck Frauser) Get the kids a rocket and sign them up for one or two of the drag races. See details below and sign-up details. All for fun. And again, all motors are on me. Sign-em up. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at www.oregonrocketry.com. Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. This is the forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. This year there will be three drag race events. Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. Fillible's G79-10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either 1/8" or 3/8" rods. Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to protect people and property. Be as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show for the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Drag Race spots remaining; #1; 6 open #2; 8 open #3; 0 closed (Ian Love, Carl Degner, Bob Welsh, John Hornsby, Charles Sekafetz, Joe Bevier, Gary Harris, Norm Lockhart, Rod Moorehead, Chuck Frauser) ? Get the kids a rocket and sign them up for one or two of the drag races. ? See details below and sign-up details. ? All for fun. And again, all motors are on me. Sign-em up. ? Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race - Sepember 2009 (sign-up) Boy's and Girl's, here are the drag race provisions and sign up. ? OregonRocketry is proud to present the largest rocket launch event in Oregon September 12th and 13th in Sheridan Oregon. Information and directions available at http://www.oregonrocketry.com www.oregonrocketry.com .?Dubbed the launch title as Fillible's Folly. Saturday September 12th range is open from 8:00am until 10:00pm with night flights available. Sunday September 13th range is open from 8:00am until 3:00pm. ? This is the?forth annual drag race competition in Sheridan. Come, watch, rally, and participate. Read below for the available drag races and sign up quickly. Spaces will go fast. This email is being sent early so you have plenty of time to prepare your rocket or your kids rocket. ? This year there will be three drag race events. ? Fillible's Skill Level #1 Drag Race: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a skill level #1 (will allow a skill level #2) rocket. You do not need to be a skill level 1 flyer. But asking for a basic rocket, either kit or custom. Rocket must be built by the flyer. Supervision is acceptable, but the build should be completed by the youth. Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 11:00am Saturday September 12th. All participants will receive a prize when returning to the Registration Desk with the retrieved rocket. There are 10 pads available. If we exceed 10, and get close to 20 I'll offer a second race at 11:30. ? Fillible's 3-Stage Drag Race Triple The Fun: Open to youth under age 18 years and must be flying a kit or custom built rocket that will fly on Estes black powder motors. This is a three stage rocket, flying on (2) Estes motors with zero delay and (1) Estes motor with a delay.?Motors allowed are C through E size. See sign-up instructions below. Drag race will occur at 12:00pm Saturday September 12th. First flyer back with all three pieces of the three-stage rocket will get the bigger prize. All participants will receive a prize for returning to the Registration Desk with all pieces of the rocket. If you loose and cannot find a piece, still stop by the Registration Desk for a prize. Everyone wins. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Fillible's G79-10W Drag Race: Open to everyone. You are going to be flying your rocket on a G79 with a 10 second delay. Rule is that the rocket must survive that delay. We will not risk safety, if 10 seconds is way too long, then choose a rocket that can or don't sign up. Safety is first. Bring your rocket and be prepared for a White lightening drag race. All ages are welcome. Drag race will occur at 1:00pm Saturday September 12th. There are 10 pads available. Not planning to extend a second event, so first come first on the list. ? Rocket Requirements: Your rocket must have launch lugs to support either?1/8" or 3/8" rods. ? Rules: All OROC, TRA, NAR and other safety rules apply. Your rocket will require Flight Safety Officer approval before flight. All drag races will be launches 300 feet (same as high power) from the flight line. Reasons include complexity, combined impulse, number of rockets, and skill level. This isn't to intended to be negative. These drag races are fun, and want to protect people and property. Be?as safe as possible. Weather, wind, cloud deck rules comes first. ? Here's the cool part: All motors, igniters and e-matches are on me. You supply the rocket and I'll set you up with the motor(s). Prizes will come from me and local shops. ? Information Needed to Sign Up: Full Name: (If you are under age 14, you must include first name only and your parent/guardian full name giving approval, and I ask it come from their email address) Parents Approval?Name: Rockets Name: Which Drag Race: (#1 & #2 races only) Motors needed: (include size, impulse, delay - example; C6-5, C6-0, C6-0 for the 3-stage race) Description of Rocket (size, length, etc): Your message to the other drag racers (fun): ? Copy and paste the below to the top of your reply. Full Name: Parents Name: Rockets Name: Drag Race Event: Motor Need Details: Description of Rocket: Message to challengers: ? Please reply to me only with your sign up. Sign up your kids. Forward this email to friends and family. Let's have a great time putting on a great show for the spectators. Let's keep it safe and fun. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ? ? From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Jul 19 19:59:19 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:59:19 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Early Abort of Ares I Rocket Would Kill Crew Message-ID: <4A63DD87.6000208@earthlink.net> http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/07/18/2142224/Early-Abort-of-Ares-I-Rocket-Would-Kill-Crew From jhadv at pacifier.com Sun Jul 19 20:46:44 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] 4th Annual OROC Sheridan Drag Race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5907.76.105.138.130.1248061604.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> I don't have a rocket for it or surely I would. It would take too long for me to build one as I would like it, soooo I shall see bout entering one of Dave's. Let's see what he says. From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Mon Jul 20 00:02:12 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP In-Reply-To: <69adffb0907191251s769f9e0ap9abdf770771379ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE20991E62A9@BL2PRD0102MB015.prod.exchangelabs.com> <62ADD017F0E6475C89EF81C1EDE4D65B@HP9925NR> <69adffb0907191248t870a7ddvd4ed2afa6646b09e@mail.gmail.com> <69adffb0907191251s769f9e0ap9abdf770771379ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0baba13974549f6b16b1a8cdfd46393c.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Or any dummy who dry mixes the AP and Al...that's definitely an "AP explosive." The term APCP as used throughout the lawsuit contains an implied embedded caveat that the specific mixture be non-detonable. Very probably all hobby APCP propellants fit the bill. Some military AP propellants contain additives which render the propellant detonable. +McG+ > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 1:48 PM, bruce beck > < mailto:bbeck7 at gmail.com bbeck7 at gmail.com >> > wrote: > On page 366 of the Chemistry of Powder and Explosives,by Tenney L. Davis > ,a couple of AP explosives are listed .One has the formula 86% AP/ 14% > parafin.Probably any AP propellant with 86% or more of AP may be detonated > providing the critical diameter is large enough. > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Darrell D. Mobley > < mailto:dmobley at rocketryplanet.com dmobley at rocketryplanet.com >> > wrote: > G, H, I Rocketflite Silver Streaks... >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > ] >> On Behalf Of Brad Wright >> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:03 PM >> To: mailto:jim at jmw29221.com jim at jmw29221.com > ; Rockets >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP >> >> Interesting. ?I wonder what they define an "ammonium perchlorate >> explosive >> mixture" to be......... >> >> Also, does anyone know of a "regulated black powder rocket engine"??? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > ] >> On Behalf Of mailto:jim at jmw29221.com jim at jmw29221.com >> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:41 AM >> To: Rockets >> Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP >> >> Hi folks - Interesting reading. >> >> Regards >> Jim >> >> http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf >> http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Mon Jul 20 00:10:31 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP In-Reply-To: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE20991E62A9@BL2PRD0102MB015.prod.exchangel abs.com> References: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE20991E62A9@BL2PRD0102MB015.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <66efe98ff2f796c511e9a1669d9e6297.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> As Darrell mentioned, there is an upper limit to the amount of BP in a motor beyond which it no longer meets the definition of an exempted model rocket motor. Without checking, I believe it's the same 62.5 grams that applies generally. There's a 30 gram propellant limit that applies to consumer fireworks rockets. More BP propellant than that, it's a "regulated black powder rocket engine." +McG+ > Interesting. I wonder what they define an "ammonium perchlorate explosive > mixture" to be......... > > Also, does anyone know of a "regulated black powder rocket engine"??? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of jim at jmw29221.com > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:41 AM > To: Rockets > Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP > > Hi folks - Interesting reading. > > Regards > Jim > > http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Mon Jul 20 00:24:01 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2a60b346f66d53b97e4925813406f8cc.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> > Note the term "black powder rocket motor components" in the letter. Yup. That's what they used to justify their attempt once to claim that AT hybrids were under their regulatory control. One itty bitty BP pellet. > I could foresee a day where the commercial manufacturers end up shipping > all reloads and single-use motors sans BP. That might be Monday. :-( CTI better start working on a redesign. +McG+ > I see in this an interesting direction should the ATF choose to pursue it. > Note the term "black powder rocket motor components" in the letter. Few > H-J > commercial rocket motors are "only APCP". Rather, they are APCP with a > black powder charge beyond a delay element, either shipped integrated > (CTI) > or as a separate item (AT). What are the chances that ATF may use this > distinction to regulate motors again? I could foresee a day where the > commercial manufacturers end up shipping all reloads and single-use motors > sans BP. > > Just a thought... > > ~Gwen > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:40 AM > To: "Rockets" > Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE Letter on the current status of APCP > >> Hi folks - Interesting reading. >> >> Regards >> Jim >> >> http://www.atf.gov/explarson/071709-ammonium-perchorate-openletter.pdf >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Mon Jul 20 06:59:22 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:59:22 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Moon news Message-ID: <4A64783A.8020908@earthlink.net> A Reluctant Hero (What Ever Happened To Neil Armstrong?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVRvudo6Du0 Spacewalk No. 2 scheduled for moon anniversary http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g8gpZRl3t8mV2RxsVjIuPU75dJeAD99I2MPG0 When We Walked On The Moon http://www.atlassociety.org/cth-43-2210-Walk_on_Moon.aspx Buzz Aldrin: Put Humans on Mars By 2031 http://www.space.com/news/090717-apollo11-40th-buzz-aldrin.html Moon or Mars? 'Next giant leap' sparks debate http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/07/20/nasa.future.human.exploration/ Scientists save India's moon mission from failure http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hUWDsi7bknf4A3JC7OaJgmRfCfkwD99G58PG0 Is the Apollo 11 Moon Landing Flag Still Standing? http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/090716-apollo-history-flag.html NASA's Ares partners say they're open to moon-rocket ideas http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-asecnasa-partners-bail-070909070909jul09,0,1857977.story US manned space flight in doubt 40 years after moon walk http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.6b4a67fb3d7a29663fb318e2356bb0de.a51&show_article=1 Photos: The other Apollo moon landings http://news.cnet.com/2300-11386_3-10001215.html The Next Step For NASA (CBS news) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eeJmrfRJn0 Fly Me To The Moon by Frank Sinatra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znjEVqSmUSE Bad Moon Rising by Creedence Clearwater Revival http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BmEGm-mraE "Moon" the movie now playing in select theaters. Trailer here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0j_ONmVcXA 5 movie clips http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0nBzcK9VBM Find the closest theater here. http://www.sonypictures.com/classics/moon/ WA Pickford Cinema Bellingham WA Carmike 12 Kennewick WA Orchard Cinemas Port Orchard WA Bella Botega 11 Redmond WA Metro Ten Cinemas Seattle WA Harvard Exit Twin Seattle WA Thornton Place Stadium 14 & IMAX Seattle WA River Park Square 20 Spokane WA Grand Tacoma 3 Tacoma WA City Center Cinema 12 Vancouver WA OR Varsity 5 Cinemas Ashland OR Pilot Butte 6 Plex Bend OR Darkside Cinemas Corvallis OR Bijou Art Cinema Eugene OR Fox Tower 10 Portland OR Salem Cinema Salem OR ID Flicks Four Boise ID From Dunkman2000 at comcast.net Mon Jul 20 08:51:40 2009 From: Dunkman2000 at comcast.net (Mark Dunkle) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:51:40 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case Message-ID: <7D4FD3C8AEE34E6C876FC7145570D776@Desktop> last week at Brothers I flew 54mm K550 and bulged the case due to a liner failure. I've been e-mailing Aerotech to ask about a warranty but with no answer. Does anyone know a way to contact Aerotech?.............................Mark -------------- next part -------------- last week at Brothers I flew 54mm K550 and bulged the case due to a liner failure. I've been e-mailing Aerotech to ask about a warranty but with no answer. Does anyone know a way to contact Aerotech?.............................Mark From appusher at q.com Mon Jul 20 09:18:47 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:18:47 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case In-Reply-To: <7D4FD3C8AEE34E6C876FC7145570D776@Desktop> References: <7D4FD3C8AEE34E6C876FC7145570D776@Desktop> Message-ID: Aerotech is closed on Mondays. 435-865-7116 Ext106 for the warranty dept. 435-865-7100 Ext 104 for Diane in customer service (you might get Brenda, she is Diane's Gal Friday) Hours: Tues - Fri 8am to 5pm MST Where did you purchase the reload? Your servicing dealer should handle that for you. Did you take pictures during forensic disassembly? These are important to have the warranty service go smoothly. Did you have a witness during motor disassembly? This is a good second best. Documentation is very important and makes the process good much smoother. Bill - Sales Puget Sound Propulsion.com EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: Dunkman2000 at comcast.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:51:40 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case > > last week at Brothers I flew 54mm K550 and bulged the case due to a liner failure. I've been e-mailing Aerotech to ask about a warranty but with no answer. Does anyone know a way to contact Aerotech?.............................Mark -------------- next part -------------- Aerotech is closed on Mondays. 435-865-7116? Ext106 for the warranty dept. 435-865-7100 Ext 104 for Diane in customer service (you might get Brenda, she is Diane's Gal Friday) Hours: Tues - Fri 8am to 5pm MST Where did you purchase the reload?? Your servicing dealer should handle that for you.? Did you take pictures during forensic disassembly?? These are important to have the warranty service go smoothly. Did you have a witness during motor disassembly?? This is a good second best.? Documentation is very important and makes the process good much smoother. ? Bill - Sales Puget Sound Propulsion.com http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ? > From: Dunkman2000 at comcast.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:51:40 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case > > last week at Brothers I flew 54mm K550 and bulged the case due to a liner failure. I've been e-mailing Aerotech to ask about a warranty but with no answer. Does anyone know a way to contact Aerotech?.............................Mark From Dunkman2000 at comcast.net Mon Jul 20 09:26:59 2009 From: Dunkman2000 at comcast.net (Mark Dunkle) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:26:59 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case In-Reply-To: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005109EBCC8@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> References: <7D4FD3C8AEE34E6C876FC7145570D776@Desktop> <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005109EBCC8@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Message-ID: <2C33372A7F69448AB4D98E9952581A47@Desktop> I used the "phenolic" disk that the directions tell me to use and AT supplied in the reload. I bought the hard seal disk but by the directions it is only used in the next larger size casing "I don't remember the size" . I flew my 1706 case 2 other times, once on a k695 and once k550 with no trouble. If AT wanted me to use the hard FWD seal disk I would think that my directions would say so. I had heard on this list that these motors would need that disk but I built the motor as per AT specs. What did you use?...............Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Smith" To: "Mark Dunkle" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case Hi Mark Sorry to hear this. Other than the contact info on AT's website, I'm not sure. The only number I know of is 435-865-7100. However, I'm curious about one thing. I've also bulged a 54mm case on a K550. Can you tell me if you were using the aluminum fwd seal disc on this motor? Or did you use the "phenolic" disc that the reload came with? Denny Smith -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dunkle [mailto:Dunkman2000 at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:52 AM To: rockets NW list Subject: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case last week at Brothers I flew 54mm K550 and bulged the case due to a liner failure. I've been e-mailing Aerotech to ask about a warranty but with no answer. Does anyone know a way to contact Aerotech?.............................Mark From Dunkman2000 at comcast.net Mon Jul 20 09:34:19 2009 From: Dunkman2000 at comcast.net (Mark Dunkle) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:34:19 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case In-Reply-To: References: <7D4FD3C8AEE34E6C876FC7145570D776@Desktop> Message-ID: <83BB2FA30C2A4391A6FFAF6CCD2B6024@Desktop> Bill, I bought the reload at Tammies in Beaverton during a "end of regulation sale." I still have the motor assembled in case there was an issue.........Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Munds To: dunkman2000 at comcast.net ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:18 AM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case Aerotech is closed on Mondays. 435-865-7116 Ext106 for the warranty dept. 435-865-7100 Ext 104 for Diane in customer service (you might get Brenda, she is Diane's Gal Friday) Hours: Tues - Fri 8am to 5pm MST Where did you purchase the reload? Your servicing dealer should handle that for you. Did you take pictures during forensic disassembly? These are important to have the warranty service go smoothly. Did you have a witness during motor disassembly? This is a good second best. Documentation is very important and makes the process good much smoother. Bill - Sales Puget Sound Propulsion.com EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: Dunkman2000 at comcast.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:51:40 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case > > last week at Brothers I flew 54mm K550 and bulged the case due to a liner failure. I've been e-mailing Aerotech to ask about a warranty but with no answer. Does anyone know a way to contact Aerotech?.............................Mark -------------- next part -------------- Bill, I bought the reload at Tammies in Beaverton during a "end of regulation sale." I still have the motor assembled in case there was an issue.........Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:appusher at q.com Bill Munds To: mailto:dunkman2000 at comcast.net dunkman2000 at comcast.net ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:18 AM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case Aerotech is closed on Mondays. 435-865-7116? Ext106 for the warranty dept. 435-865-7100 Ext 104 for Diane in customer service (you might get Brenda, she is Diane's Gal Friday) Hours: Tues - Fri 8am to 5pm MST Where did you purchase the reload?? Your servicing dealer should handle that for you.? Did you take pictures during forensic disassembly?? These are important to have the warranty service go smoothly. Did you have a witness during motor disassembly?? This is a good second best.? Documentation is very important and makes the process good much smoother. ? Bill - Sales Puget Sound Propulsion.com http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ? > From: Dunkman2000 at comcast.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:51:40 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case > > last week at Brothers I flew 54mm K550 and bulged the case due to a liner failure. I've been e-mailing Aerotech to ask about a warranty but with no answer. Does anyone know a way to contact Aerotech?.............................Mark From jhadv at pacifier.com Mon Jul 20 09:39:22 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:39:22 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Re bulged 54mm case In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090720093759.030e16f8@mail.iinet.com> >"last week at Brothers I flew 54mm K550 and bulged the case due to a liner >failure." What vintage was the case? Where did it bulge? Aft end, forward end or in the middle? From Dunkman2000 at comcast.net Mon Jul 20 09:54:52 2009 From: Dunkman2000 at comcast.net (Mark Dunkle) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:54:52 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Re bulged 54mm case In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090720093759.030e16f8@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090720093759.030e16f8@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: The case is Rouse-Tech that I bought online last summer. Serial #0065 dated 03-08 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bogdanich" To: Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: [RocketsNW] Re bulged 54mm case > >>"last week at Brothers I flew 54mm K550 and bulged the case due to a liner >>failure." > > > What vintage was the case? Where did it bulge? Aft end, forward end or > in > the middle? > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From Dunkman2000 at comcast.net Mon Jul 20 10:14:15 2009 From: Dunkman2000 at comcast.net (Mark Dunkle) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:14:15 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case In-Reply-To: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005109EBCE9@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> References: <7D4FD3C8AEE34E6C876FC7145570D776@Desktop><4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005109EBCC8@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> <2C33372A7F69448AB4D98E9952581A47@Desktop> <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005109EBCE9@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Message-ID: What about the thin O ring that is used with the seal disk? When I've used the disk before "38mm J350" I seem to remember a thin O ring supplied with the the reload.......................Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Smith" To: "Mark Dunkle" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case In the past couple years, I've seen at least 3 54mm case bulged. While I'm not 100% sure that the fwd seal was the culprit on all of these, I've been using the aluminum fwd seal disc on all 54mm motors now. When I used the phenolic disc that the reload comes with, I would get a lot of residue cooked to the inside of the case on the fwd end which tells me it's not being sealed properly. When I switched to using the aluminum seal disc, the residue issue disappeared. Denny -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dunkle [mailto:Dunkman2000 at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:27 AM To: rockets NW list Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case I used the "phenolic" disk that the directions tell me to use and AT supplied in the reload. I bought the hard seal disk but by the directions it is only used in the next larger size casing "I don't remember the size" . I flew my 1706 case 2 other times, once on a k695 and once k550 with no trouble. If AT wanted me to use the hard FWD seal disk I would think that my directions would say so. I had heard on this list that these motors would need that disk but I built the motor as per AT specs. What did you use?...............Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Smith" To: "Mark Dunkle" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case Hi Mark Sorry to hear this. Other than the contact info on AT's website, I'm not sure. The only number I know of is 435-865-7100. However, I'm curious about one thing. I've also bulged a 54mm case on a K550. Can you tell me if you were using the aluminum fwd seal disc on this motor? Or did you use the "phenolic" disc that the reload came with? Denny Smith -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dunkle [mailto:Dunkman2000 at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:52 AM To: rockets NW list Subject: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case last week at Brothers I flew 54mm K550 and bulged the case due to a liner failure. I've been e-mailing Aerotech to ask about a warranty but with no answer. Does anyone know a way to contact Aerotech?.............................Mark _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From Dunkman2000 at comcast.net Mon Jul 20 10:20:25 2009 From: Dunkman2000 at comcast.net (Mark Dunkle) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:20:25 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Re bulged 54mm case In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090720100713.00c5cc48@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090720093759.030e16f8@mail.iinet.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20090720093759.030e16f8@mail.iinet.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20090720100713.00c5cc48@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <7D2BB4B907024AE398C13B41732BC0B2@Desktop> I did talk to Tom Rouse and he said Aerotech should Warranty. I know I'm probably out this case but I would like know what Aerotech since so many say I should've used the seal disk but they give no instruction to do so. Or at least I missed it all three times I flew this case............mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bogdanich" To: "Mark Dunkle" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Re bulged 54mm case > Aerotech won't warranty a Rouse Tech case I don't think. Why not call Tom > at Rouse Tech? > > > At 09:54 AM 7/20/2009 -0700, you wrote: >>The case is Rouse-Tech that I bought online last summer. Serial #0065 >>dated 03-08 >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bogdanich" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:39 AM >>Subject: [RocketsNW] Re bulged 54mm case >> >> >>> >>>>"last week at Brothers I flew 54mm K550 and bulged the case due to a >>>>liner >>>>failure." >>> >>> >>>What vintage was the case? Where did it bulge? Aft end, forward end or >>>in >>>the middle? >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockets mailing list >>>Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >> > > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Mon Jul 20 11:18:41 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:18:41 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Summer Thunder launch reminder 26JUL09 Message-ID: <4A64B501.802@earthlink.net> I just wanted to remind every one in the Seattle area of the upcoming Summer Thunder launch at 60 Acres Park in Redmond, WA on Sunday, 26 July 2009 from 10:00AM to 6:00PM. Roadside Hobbies will be the on-site vendor selling motors and kits. They are also the sponsor of the boost glider competition. You can download a copy of the flyer (in PDF format) here. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Summer%20Thunder%20launch%20flyer.pdf From dennys at carnitech.net Mon Jul 20 11:14:08 2009 From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:14:08 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case In-Reply-To: References: <7D4FD3C8AEE34E6C876FC7145570D776@Desktop><4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005109EBCC8@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> <2C33372A7F69448AB4D98E9952581A47@Desktop> <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005109EBCE9@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Message-ID: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005109EBD0B@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Yeah, I think the new reloads are being shipped with the small o-ring now. The older reloads don't have them. I had to contact AT because I had a few older reloads, and they sent me the new o-rings for free. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dunkle [mailto:Dunkman2000 at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 10:14 AM To: Denny Smith Cc: rockets NW list Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case What about the thin O ring that is used with the seal disk? When I've used the disk before "38mm J350" I seem to remember a thin O ring supplied with the the reload.......................Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Smith" To: "Mark Dunkle" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case In the past couple years, I've seen at least 3 54mm case bulged. While I'm not 100% sure that the fwd seal was the culprit on all of these, I've been using the aluminum fwd seal disc on all 54mm motors now. When I used the phenolic disc that the reload comes with, I would get a lot of residue cooked to the inside of the case on the fwd end which tells me it's not being sealed properly. When I switched to using the aluminum seal disc, the residue issue disappeared. Denny -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dunkle [mailto:Dunkman2000 at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:27 AM To: rockets NW list Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case I used the "phenolic" disk that the directions tell me to use and AT supplied in the reload. I bought the hard seal disk but by the directions it is only used in the next larger size casing "I don't remember the size" . I flew my 1706 case 2 other times, once on a k695 and once k550 with no trouble. If AT wanted me to use the hard FWD seal disk I would think that my directions would say so. I had heard on this list that these motors would need that disk but I built the motor as per AT specs. What did you use?...............Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Smith" To: "Mark Dunkle" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case Hi Mark Sorry to hear this. Other than the contact info on AT's website, I'm not sure. The only number I know of is 435-865-7100. However, I'm curious about one thing. I've also bulged a 54mm case on a K550. Can you tell me if you were using the aluminum fwd seal disc on this motor? Or did you use the "phenolic" disc that the reload came with? Denny Smith -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dunkle [mailto:Dunkman2000 at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:52 AM To: rockets NW list Subject: [RocketsNW] bulged 54mm case last week at Brothers I flew 54mm K550 and bulged the case due to a liner failure. I've been e-mailing Aerotech to ask about a warranty but with no answer. Does anyone know a way to contact Aerotech?.............................Mark _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From appusher at q.com Mon Jul 20 13:03:07 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:03:07 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Re bulged 54mm case In-Reply-To: <7D2BB4B907024AE398C13B41732BC0B2@Desktop> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090720093759.030e16f8@mail.iinet.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20090720093759.030e16f8@mail.iinet.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20090720100713.00c5cc48@mail.iinet.com> <7D2BB4B907024AE398C13B41732BC0B2@Desktop> Message-ID: Mark, I didn't see your response on where the case failed. I suspect from the responses that it was at the fwd closure or somewhere close. Check the Aerotech's website under resources either under instructions or retail high power price lists. Newer information is available for assembly. A K550W should use the fwd seal disk and small o-ring. Other size reloads from 29mm thru 98mm are requiring the forward seal disk during assembly. I had a case failure with a K550W and Dr. Rocket hardware some years ago. There were different circumstances, but Aerotech replaced the hardware also. Tom Rouse really isn't involved with the flight failures, Aerotech handles it all. Dave and I handle all the warranty issues involving what we sell, others don't. Ask your dealer if they will handle it for you. If not, follow the contact info I posted earlier. Diane will direct you to the right person if there's no answer at the warranty line. Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: Dunkman2000 at comcast.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:20:25 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Re bulged 54mm case > > I did talk to Tom Rouse and he said Aerotech should Warranty. I know I'm > probably out this case but I would like know what Aerotech since so many say > I should've used the seal disk but they give no instruction to do so. Or at > least I missed it all three times I flew this case............mark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Bogdanich" > To: "Mark Dunkle" > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Re bulged 54mm case > > > > Aerotech won't warranty a Rouse Tech case I don't think. Why not call Tom > > at Rouse Tech? > > > > > > At 09:54 AM 7/20/2009 -0700, you wrote: > >>The case is Rouse-Tech that I bought online last summer. Serial #0065 > >>dated 03-08 > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bogdanich" > >>To: > >>Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:39 AM > >>Subject: [RocketsNW] Re bulged 54mm case > >> > >> > >>> > >>>>"last week at Brothers I flew 54mm K550 and bulged the case due to a > >>>>liner > >>>>failure." > >>> > >>> > >>>What vintage was the case? Where did it bulge? Aft end, forward end or > >>>in > >>>the middle? > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Rockets mailing list > >>>Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >>>http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > >>> > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -------------- next part -------------- Mark, I didn't see your response on where the case failed. I suspect from the responses that it was at the fwd closure or somewhere close. ? Check the Aerotech's website under resources either under instructions or retail high power price lists.? Newer information is available for assembly. A K550W should use the fwd seal disk and small o-ring.? Other size reloads from 29mm thru 98mm are requiring the forward seal disk during assembly. ? I had a case failure with a K550W and? Dr. Rocket hardware some years ago.? There were different circumstances, but Aerotech replaced the hardware also. Tom Rouse really isn't involved with the flight failures, Aerotech handles it all.? Dave and I handle all the warranty issues involving what we sell, others don't.? Ask your dealer if they will handle it for you.? If not, follow the contact info I posted earlier.? Diane will direct you to the right person if there's no answer at the warranty line. ? ? Bill http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ? > From: Dunkman2000 at comcast.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:20:25 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Re bulged 54mm case > > I did talk to Tom Rouse and he said Aerotech should Warranty. I know I'm > probably out this case but I would like know what Aerotech since so many say > I should've used the seal disk but they give no instruction to do so. Or at > least I missed it all three times I flew this case............mark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Bogdanich" > To: "Mark Dunkle" > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Re bulged 54mm case > > > > Aerotech won't warranty a Rouse Tech case I don't think. Why not call Tom > > at Rouse Tech? > > > > > > At 09:54 AM 7/20/2009 -0700, you wrote: > >>The case is Rouse-Tech that I bought online last summer. Serial #0065 > >>dated 03-08 > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bogdanich" > >>To: > >>Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:39 AM > >>Subject: [RocketsNW] Re bulged 54mm case > >> > >> > >>> > >>>>"last week at Brothers I flew 54mm K550 and bulged the case due to a > >>>>liner > >>>>failure." > >>> > >>> > >>>What vintage was the case? Where did it bulge? Aft end, forward end or > >>>in > >>>the middle? > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Rockets mailing list > >>>Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >>>http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > >>> > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From bigrockets at verizon.net Mon Jul 20 13:24:03 2009 From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:24:03 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim Message-ID: <000001ca0978$06d07250$147156f0$@net> What's the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on Vista? Anyone using it? Dave P -------------- next part -------------- cid:image001.jpg at 01CA093D.59AC0060 What???s the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on Vista? Anyone using it? Dave P -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll be out of town on the 26th and will have to miss it :( Mark Q On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Hammer wrote: > I just wanted to remind every one in the Seattle area of the upcoming > Summer Thunder launch at 60 Acres Park in Redmond, WA on Sunday, 26 July > 2009 from 10:00AM to 6:00PM. > > Roadside Hobbies will be the on-site vendor selling motors and kits. > They are also the sponsor of the boost glider competition. > > You can download a copy of the flyer (in PDF format) here. > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Summer%20Thunder%20launch%20flyer.pdf > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- I screwed up and thought it was?yesterday. I'll be out of town on the 26th and will have to miss it :( ? Mark Q On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Hammer < mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net > wrote: I just wanted to remind every one in the Seattle area of the upcoming Summer Thunder launch at 60 Acres Park in Redmond, WA on Sunday, 26 July 2009 from 10:00AM to 6:00PM. Roadside Hobbies will be the on-site vendor selling motors and kits. They are also the sponsor of the boost glider competition. You can download a copy of the flyer (in PDF format) here. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Summer%20Thunder%20launch%20flyer.pdf http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Summer%20Thunder%20launch%20flyer.pdf _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From gbhchrist at verizon.net Mon Jul 20 14:21:15 2009 From: gbhchrist at verizon.net (George Christ) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:21:15 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Summer Thunder launch reminder 26JUL09 In-Reply-To: <5a1085980907201341m50b8712ckb174b1c6a75317be@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A64B501.802@earthlink.net> <5a1085980907201341m50b8712ckb174b1c6a75317be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09DFAF87508845A6967B3A4FB858864D@LittleGoodBox> I, too, will be out of town on the 26th and so will miss this month's launch. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Quinn" To: "Hammer" Cc: "NW Rocketry mailing list" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Summer Thunder launch reminder 26JUL09 >I screwed up and thought it was yesterday. I'll be out of town on the 26th > and will have to miss it :( > > Mark Q > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Hammer > wrote: > >> I just wanted to remind every one in the Seattle area of the upcoming >> Summer Thunder launch at 60 Acres Park in Redmond, WA on Sunday, 26 July >> 2009 from 10:00AM to 6:00PM. >> >> Roadside Hobbies will be the on-site vendor selling motors and kits. >> They are also the sponsor of the boost glider competition. >> >> You can download a copy of the flyer (in PDF format) here. >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Summer%20Thunder%20launch%20flyer.pdf >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From glech at aol.com Mon Jul 20 14:29:15 2009 From: glech at aol.com (glech at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:29:15 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim In-Reply-To: <000001ca0978$06d07250$147156f0$@net> References: <000001ca0978$06d07250$147156f0$@net> Message-ID: <8CBD798440B0D4E-119C-1BA1@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> I've got Version: 9.0.5f80 running on XP. You may want to look around on the YOF (http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24) for further info re: Vista. Regards, Gary Lech - WA7GL -----Original Message----- From: Dave Proffitt To: OROC List Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:24 pm Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim cid:image001.jpg at 01CA093D.59AC0060 hat???s the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on Vista? nyone using it? ave P _______________________________________________ ockets mailing list ockets at rocketsnw.com ttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 ) for further info re: Vista. Regards, Gary Lech - WA7GL -----Original Message----- From: Dave Proffitt To: OROC List Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:24 pm Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim cid: [A] image001.jpg at 01CA093D.59AC0060 What???s the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on Vista? Anyone using it? Dave P _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list [A] Rockets at rocketsnw.com [A] http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 14:57:10 2009 From: whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com (Dietrich Podmajersky) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:57:10 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim In-Reply-To: <8CBD798440B0D4E-119C-1BA1@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> References: <000001ca0978$06d07250$147156f0$@net> <8CBD798440B0D4E-119C-1BA1@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Am I looking at the wrong thread? The thread on that forum titled "*RocketSim Problem/Question " *doesn't actually seem make much of a statement regarding Vista since 2 people claim to have very similar experiences with RockSim and One is running Vista and the Other is running XP. -Dietrich On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:29 PM, wrote: > http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 > http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 > ) for further info re: Vista. > Regards, > Gary Lech - WA7GL > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Proffitt > To: OROC List > Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:24 pm > Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim > cid: [A] image001.jpg at 01CA093D.59AC0060 > What???s the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on Vista? > Anyone using it? Dave P > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list [A] > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > [A] http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- Am I looking at the wrong thread? The thread on that ?forum titled " RocketSim Problem/Question?" doesn't actually seem?make much of a statement regarding?Vista since 2 people claim to have very similar experiences with?RockSim and One is running Vista and the Other is running XP.?? ? -Dietrich ? On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:29 PM, < mailto:glech at aol.com glech at aol.com > wrote: http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 ) for further info re: Vista. Regards, Gary Lech - WA7GL -----Original Message----- From: Dave Proffitt < mailto:bigrockets at verizon.net bigrockets at verizon.net > To: OROC List < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:24 pm Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim cid: [A] image001.jpg at 01CA093D.59AC0060 What???s the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on Vista? Anyone using it? Dave P _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list [A] mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com [A] http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From sb at berfield.com Mon Jul 20 15:23:51 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:23:51 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim Message-ID: I believe the latest is Version: 9.0.5f80. I am running it under Vista and Windows 7 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Proffitt [mailto:bigrockets at verizon.net] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 01:24 PM To: 'OROC List' Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim What's the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on Vista?Anyone using it?Dave P -------------- next part -------------- I believe the latest is Version: 9.0.5f80. I am running it under Vista and Windows 7 ? -----Original Message----- From: Dave Proffitt [mailto:bigrockets at verizon.net] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 01:24 PM To: 'OROC List' Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim What's the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on Vista? Anyone using it? Dave P -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2257 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20090720/e62dbfef/attachment.obj From jhadv at pacifier.com Mon Jul 20 16:11:34 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:11:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090720161007.00c17e20@mail.iinet.com> At 02:57 PM 7/20/2009 -0700, you wrote: >What's the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on >Vista? Anyone using it? Nothing runs "ok" on Vista. From je_stewart at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 16:18:25 2009 From: je_stewart at yahoo.com (James Stewart) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim In-Reply-To: <000001ca0978$06d07250$147156f0$@net> References: <000001ca0978$06d07250$147156f0$@net> Message-ID: <584251.16594.qm@web31814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's version 9.0 and I have it installed on a Vista machine. Just to complicate things a bit more, I have the 64 bit home premium version and though some legacy software doesn't work on it, RockSim does and so far hasn't given me any trouble. Jim Stewart je_stewart at yahoo.com james_stewart at urscorp.com ________________________________ From: Dave Proffitt To: OROC List Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 1:24:03 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim cid:image001.jpg at 01CA093D.59AC0060 What???s the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on Vista? Anyone using it? Dave P -------------- next part -------------- It's version 9.0 and I have it installed on a Vista machine. Just to complicate things a bit more, I have the 64 bit home premium version and though some legacy software doesn't work on it, RockSim does and so far hasn't given me any trouble. ? Jim Stewart je_stewart at yahoo.com james_stewart at urscorp.com From: Dave Proffitt To: OROC List Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 1:24:03 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim cid:image001.jpg at 01CA093D.59AC0060 What???s the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on Vista? Anyone using it? Dave P From jim at jmw29221.com Mon Jul 20 20:54:00 2009 From: jim at jmw29221.com (jim at jmw29221.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:54:00 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim In-Reply-To: <8CBD798440B0D4E-119C-1BA1@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> References: <000001ca0978$06d07250$147156f0$@net> <8CBD798440B0D4E-119C-1BA1@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <67bfb8c5aeebb5aa74864d84a6291015@mx1.blastzone.com> Stop paying for Rocksim - download RAS Aero at www.rasaero.com for free. Much easier to use and overwhelmingly better performance predictions, especially on flights above 10K and Mach 0.7 (transsonic) and faster. Regards Jim On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:29:15 -0400, glech at aol.com wrote: > I've got Version: 9.0.5f80 running on XP. You may want to look around on > the YOF (http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24) for further > info re: Vista. > > Regards, > Gary Lech - WA7GL > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Proffitt > To: OROC List > Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:24 pm > Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim > > > > cid:image001.jpg at 01CA093D.59AC0060 > hat???s the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on > Vista? > nyone using it? > ave P > > > > _______________________________________________ > ockets mailing list > ockets at rocketsnw.com > ttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Mon Jul 20 22:10:14 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:10:14 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Moon news Message-ID: <4A654DB6.9070708@earthlink.net> The Apollo 11 moon landing from the perspective of a Vietnam vet while a P.O.W. http://www.herald-mail.com/?cmd=displaystory&story_id=227101&format=html Sleeping on My Parents Floor For Apollo 11 http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2009/07/sleeping-on-my-parents-floor-for-apollo.html Who Owns the Moon? The Galactic Government vs. the UN http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/090717-who-owns-moon-real-estate.html Net gains (How the Moon program affected the computer revolution) http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v460/n7253/full/460307a.html Human Spaceflight: The Next 40 Years http://www.space.com/news/090720-apollo11-40th-40years.html Apollo astronauts bemoan state of U.S. space program http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090720/us_nm/us_space_shuttle_apollo We are now so spineless, I will never see a man walk on Mars http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/5865346/We-are-now-so-spineless-I-will-never-see-a-man-walk-on-Mars.html http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2009/7/20stallard.html LIVE FROM THE APOLLO 11. By Jim Stallard July 20, 1969, 10:20 p.m. EDT Interior of Apollo 11 lunar module Mission Control: Okay Eagle, you're go for the module EVA. We've established visual of the ladder with the external camera. You'll be going out on a live feed so watch your step and keep it clean, gentleman! Neil Armstrong: (Chuckling) Roger that, Houston. Just mom and apple pie. Mission Control: Appreciated. You can go when ready. We've all got our fingers crossed on the dust issue. Armstrong: Come again Houston. The what? Mission Control: The dust. Armstrong: What do you mean, the dust? What are you talking about? Mission Control: Well, apparently there's a chance the dust is pyrophoric and that when you open the door of the module, oxygen will react with the dust and explode. Armstrong: Oh . . . okay. Wow . . . Was that in the simulations? I don't remember it. Mission Control: There's been some discussion with some geologists here today ? we probably should have done that earlier ? but you know how it is. Armstrong: Mmm . . . . . . . (90 seconds of silence.) Armstrong (to Buzz Aldrin) : Gee, I feel kind of guilty now, having you be first. But the suit should protect you. Aldrin: What do you mean? You're going out first. Armstrong: No, it's you. I talked about this with Gene when you were asleep on the way out here. We wanted to reward you for all your service. Aldrin: How dumb do you think I am? You did not talk about this with Gene. You're the mission commander. The commander takes the lead on everything. Armstrong: You're right. I'm commanding you to go out first. (30 seconds of silence.) Aldrin: I didn't sign up for this. Let's decide this fairly. Rock, paper, scissors. Armstrong: No, I've seen your rock, paper, scissors tricks ? you always lag behind by a half-second. Aldrin: We'll flip a coin. Armstrong: We don't have a coin. And it would take forever to come down. I'll pick a number between one and ten and then you try to guess it. If you're right, I'll go out. Aldrin: You're giving me a ten percent chance? Armstrong: That's under Earth gravity. It's different under moon gravity ? you have a 50-50 chance. Aldrin: Okay. . . well . . . I guess seven. Armstrong: Aldrin: I got it didn't I? Armstrong: . . . . . . . No. Mission Control: Neil, Gene says to suit up and get out there. The meter's running. You know the audio feed is still on don't you? Aldrin: The commander is commanded! Not to mention a liar. - - - - July 20, 1969, 11:16 p.m. EDT Moon surface Aldrin: This feels so weird! The powder is slippery. Look (jumping up and down). My shoes are made of flubber. (Lopes around in high bouncing steps.) Armstrong: Stop it. Is your mike off? Aldrin: Yes. You realize "man" and "mankind" mean the same thing don't you? Armstrong: I said, "a man. One small step for a man." Aldrin: Whatever. I thought you'd be in a better mood after not blowing up. (Begins jogging circles around Armstrong in slow motion.) Armstrong: You need to quit prancing around. Start gathering dust and rocks. They want all kinds of samples. Aldrin: Yes, master. (Takes a few steps and then kneels.) What in the hell . . . ? Armstrong: (Comes over) What do you see? Aldrin: Doesn't that look like . . . droppings? From an animal? Armstrong: It does, but that can't be right. (Removes a sensor from his belt and inserts it into one lump.) Well, it's warmer than the dust it's sitting on, which makes no sense. (Probes it with finger of spacesuit.) Feels a lot like . . . dog . . . (gags). Aldrin: Oh no. Don't throw up in your mask because then I'll throw up. Armstrong: (Steadies himself with a few deep breaths) Okay. If this thing is organic in any way, they'll want to analyze it. Put it in your sample bag. Aldrin: I'm not touching that, even through a spacesuit. Armstrong: Well, use something to scoop it up with. Where's that Nixon plaque? Aldrin: It's bolted to the ladder back on the thing. What are those . . .? (Points to tracks leading away from pile.) Holy Christ on toast. Let's get out of here. Armstrong: (Staring) . . . I'm with you. . . . Hang on ? the camera's going to be pointing this way when we plant the flag. (Erases tracks with his foot.) Apollo 12 can deal with this. Mission Control: Neil, your audio signal's been going in and out. Did you find something? (Both men freeze and stare at one another.) Armstrong: No, Buzz and I were clowning with you. Did you buy it? (Hits button on helmet.) Aldrin: So your mike ? Armstrong: Save it. - - - - July 21, 1969, 8:54 p.m. EDT Interior of lunar module Aldrin: I can't believe you wouldn't do the Iwo Jima thing with me when we planted the flag. When are we ever going to be back here? Armstrong: I'm not going to act like a 10-year-old. And I saw you do the "hammer throw" when you thought I wasn't looking. If we end up needing that to pound something, you're going out and looking for it. Aldrin: We won't need it anymore. It's just dead weight. I bet I got more than 500 yards on that toss. Armstrong: If NASA comes breathing down my neck, you're going to answer for it. It comes out of your paycheck. Aldrin: Fine, fine, fine. . . . . So . . . about those things we saw. Not a word? Armstrong: Nobody needs to know. Aldrin: What about Mike, when we rendezvous? Shouldn't we let him in on it? Armstrong: No way. He tells his wife everything. It would be on the front page within 12 hours. Now get locked in. When NASA gives the word, I have to push the button with almost no warning. Aldrin: (Peering out window at moon surface) Goodbye, magnificent desolation . . . Oh my god. Here it ? Armstrong: What? Aldrin: Push it Push it Push it From sb at berfield.com Mon Jul 20 23:02:21 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:02:21 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim Message-ID: I have looked at it and for single stage high performance rockets of fairly standard design it is pretty nice - though i think it is better suited to simulating results for an already built rocket than for starting from scratch. As a very visual but numerically challenged person, I don't know if I would say it is easier to use. In fsct, if I could get a decent drafting program that allowed accurate curve entry with a sim tool tied into it, my life would be much happier. -----Original Message----- From: jim at jmw29221.com [mailto:jim at jmw29221.com] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 08:54 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim Stop paying for Rocksim - download RAS Aero at www.rasaero.com for free. Much easier to use and overwhelmingly better performance predictions, especially on flights above 10K and Mach 0.7 (transsonic) and faster. Regards Jim On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:29:15 -0400, glech at aol.com wrote: > I've got Version: 9.0.5f80 running on XP. You may want to look around on > the YOF (http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24) for further > info re: Vista. > > Regards, > Gary Lech - WA7GL > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Proffitt > To: OROC List > Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:24 pm > Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim > > > > cid:image001.jpg at 01CA093D.59AC0060 > hat????????s the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on > Vista? > nyone using it? > ave P > > > > _______________________________________________ > ockets mailing list > ockets at rocketsnw.com > ttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- I have looked at it and for single stage high performance rockets of fairly standard design it is pretty nice - though i think it is better suited to simulating results for an already built rocket than for starting from scratch. ? As a very visual but?numerically challenged person,?I don't know if I would say it is easier to use. In fsct, if I could get a decent drafting program that allowed accurate curve entry with a sim tool tied into it, my life would be much happier. -----Original Message----- From: jim at jmw29221.com [mailto:jim at jmw29221.com] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 08:54 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim Stop paying for Rocksim - download RAS Aero at www.rasaero.com for free. Much easier to use and overwhelmingly better performance predictions, especially on flights above 10K and Mach 0.7 (transsonic) and faster. Regards Jim On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:29:15 -0400, glech at aol.com wrote: > I've got Version: 9.0.5f80 running on XP. You may want to look around on > the YOF (http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24) for further > info re: Vista. > > Regards, > Gary Lech - WA7GL > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Proffitt > To: OROC List > Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:24 pm > Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim > > > > cid:image001.jpg at 01CA093D.59AC0060 > hat????????s the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on > Vista? > nyone using it? > ave P > > > > _______________________________________________ > ockets mailing list > ockets at rocketsnw.com > ttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bigrockets at verizon.net Tue Jul 21 02:36:29 2009 From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:36:29 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim In-Reply-To: <67bfb8c5aeebb5aa74864d84a6291015@mx1.blastzone.com> References: <000001ca0978$06d07250$147156f0$@net> <8CBD798440B0D4E-119C-1BA1@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> <67bfb8c5aeebb5aa74864d84a6291015@mx1.blastzone.com> Message-ID: <001b01ca09e6$ba55be70$2f013b50$@net> Thanks Jim I downloaded the program and installed it. I have to disagree with you on the ease of use. I also like RockSim's material data base. It will at least give you a ball park estimate on how much the rocket weighs. I haven't seen this program do that yet. If it doesn't then the inputee has to input the weight? Otherwise the sim is useless. I like all the number crunching it does, but not being an engineer most of it doesn't mean anything to me. Maybe like someone else said this is a good program for a rocket that's already been built. For me I like to design it in RockSim and get a ball park idea of where the CP and CG are at and what it might do. I guess it comes down to whatever program you got used to in the first place. I've been using RockSim since early versions up to 7 or 8 I guess. I think version 7 had some real issues with it. But I got a fix for it and it worked fine under XP. I dislike the fact that with this program you can't keep the rocket view window open while inputting dimensions into the number fields. Last but not least, I don't mind paying for something that works. I don't have a lot of money to throw around but I do believe in paying someone for their labor. I have a few engine simulators I use a lot and if you people think RockSim is expensive take a look at some of the more sophisticated dyno simulators and drag strip programs. These have run flawlessly under Vista, with no hangs, crashes or data loss. Needless to say Microsoft had no hand in their design.:-) In engine building and drag race cars you get what you pay for. Thanks again for the suggestion. Dave Proffitt -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of jim at jmw29221.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:54 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim Stop paying for Rocksim - download RAS Aero at www.rasaero.com for free. Much easier to use and overwhelmingly better performance predictions, especially on flights above 10K and Mach 0.7 (transsonic) and faster. Regards Jim On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:29:15 -0400, glech at aol.com wrote: > I've got Version: 9.0.5f80 running on XP. You may want to look around on > the YOF (http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24) for further > info re: Vista. > > Regards, > Gary Lech - WA7GL > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Proffitt > To: OROC List > Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:24 pm > Subject: [RocketsNW] Rock Sim > > > > cid:image001.jpg at 01CA093D.59AC0060 > hat???s the latest greatest version of Rock Sim? Does it run ok on > Vista? > nyone using it? > ave P > > > > _______________________________________________ > ockets mailing list > ockets at rocketsnw.com > ttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Jul 21 07:31:41 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:31:41 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Lunarpalooza videos Message-ID: <4A65D14D.9010005@earthlink.net> LunarPalooza Part 1: The Future of Space Exploration Is In Your Hands http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburner_with_Bill_Whittle/LunarPalooza_Part_1%3A_The_Future_of_Space_Exploration_Is_In_Your_Hands/2186/ LunarPalooza Part 2: Private Enterprise Goes Where No Man Has Gone Before http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburner_with_Bill_Whittle/LunarPalooza_Part_2%3A_Private_Enterprise_Goes_Where_No_Man_Has_Gone_Before/2187/ LunarPalooza Part 3: Glenn Reynolds on Space Law (Who Owns The Moon? You Might.) http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburner_with_Bill_Whittle/LunarPalooza_Part_3%3A_Glenn_Reynolds_on_Space_Law_(Who_Owns_The_Moon%3F_You_Might)/2188/ From jhadv at pacifier.com Tue Jul 21 19:30:52 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 18, Issue 47 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49293.209.253.79.135.1248229852.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> For me I like to design it in RockSim and get a ball park idea of where the CP and CG are at and what it might do. What you do is just use an Excel spreadsheet to calculate the CG and the weight and then RockSim does the CP. To calculate a CG in excel just choose an end to work from (the datum) where that end is distance 0 then for each component put where it is from the datum and what it weighs. Create a line for the moments (the position times the mass) then sume the moments and devide by the total mass and that gives you the CG measured from the datum. Or you could just build the thing in Rock Sim and add the weight for every part you use and the machine will do it. From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Jul 21 21:55:02 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:55:02 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 Message-ID: <4A669BA6.3030602@earthlink.net> http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NASA_Ares_I_First_Stage_Motor_To_be_Tested_August_25_999.html NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 NASA and ATK unveil the completed Ares I first stage five-segment solid rocket booster in Promontory, Utah. The completed solid rocket booster is now installed horizontally in a test stand that was modified from the space shuttle's four-segment configuration to fit the new five-segment Ares I booster. Instrumentation will be installed over the next month in preparation for the first major ground test of the NASA Constellation program August 25. From greg at blastzone.com Tue Jul 21 22:32:10 2009 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:32:10 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 In-Reply-To: <4A669BA6.3030602@earthlink.net> References: <4A669BA6.3030602@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <65e701ca0a8d$c3bbc610$4b335230$@com> Boy, I hope they're compensating for erosive burning in the longer 5 grain motor! ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of Hammer > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:55 PM > To: NW Rocketry mailing list > Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 > > http://www.space- > travel.com/reports/NASA_Ares_I_First_Stage_Motor_To_be_Tested_August_25_999. ht > ml > > NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 > > NASA and ATK unveil the completed Ares I first stage five-segment solid > rocket booster in Promontory, Utah. The completed solid rocket booster > is now installed horizontally in a test stand that was modified from the > space shuttle's four-segment configuration to fit the new five-segment > Ares I booster. > > Instrumentation will be installed over the next month in preparation for > the first major ground test of the NASA Constellation program August 25. > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From appusher at q.com Wed Jul 22 06:22:31 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:22:31 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 In-Reply-To: <65e701ca0a8d$c3bbc610$4b335230$@com> References: <4A669BA6.3030602@earthlink.net> <65e701ca0a8d$c3bbc610$4b335230$@com> Message-ID: Greg, that's a pretty big pressure sensor! EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: greg at blastzone.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:32:10 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 > > Boy, I hope they're compensating for erosive burning in the longer 5 grain > motor! ;) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On > > Behalf Of Hammer > > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:55 PM > > To: NW Rocketry mailing list > > Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 > > > > http://www.space- > > > travel.com/reports/NASA_Ares_I_First_Stage_Motor_To_be_Tested_August_25_999. > ht > > ml > > > > NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 > > > > NASA and ATK unveil the completed Ares I first stage five-segment solid > > rocket booster in Promontory, Utah. The completed solid rocket booster > > is now installed horizontally in a test stand that was modified from the > > space shuttle's four-segment configuration to fit the new five-segment > > Ares I booster. > > > > Instrumentation will be installed over the next month in preparation for > > the first major ground test of the NASA Constellation program August 25. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -------------- next part -------------- Greg, that's a pretty big pressure sensor! http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ? > From: greg at blastzone.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:32:10 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 > > Boy, I hope they're compensating for erosive burning in the longer 5 grain > motor! ;) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On > > Behalf Of Hammer > > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:55 PM > > To: NW Rocketry mailing list > > Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 > > > > http://www.space- > > > travel.com/reports/NASA_Ares_I_First_Stage_Motor_To_be_Tested_August_25_999. > ht > > ml > > > > NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 > > > > NASA and ATK unveil the completed Ares I first stage five-segment solid > > rocket booster in Promontory, Utah. The completed solid rocket booster > > is now installed horizontally in a test stand that was modified from the > > space shuttle's four-segment configuration to fit the new five-segment > > Ares I booster. > > > > Instrumentation will be installed over the next month in preparation for > > the first major ground test of the NASA Constellation program August 25. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From Simpsonclark at aol.com Wed Jul 22 08:57:09 2009 From: Simpsonclark at aol.com (Simpsonclark at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:57:09 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] CG calculations Message-ID: For balance design as well as general aerodynamics, I use "Aerolab" by Hans Olaf Toft at D.A.R.K., the Danish rocket club. It has a parts lister which does the job fairly easily. It calculates weight and both pitch and role moments as well as cg. You can let it calculate things like "current nose cone" and "current fins", but the rest are put in as tubes, cylinders, frustrums, etc. The download is free. Go to DARK or Nakka-rocketry.net for links. I have build 3 scratch designs and each has performed almost exactly as modeled. On one little G design I deliberately balanced one flight to 1/2 caliber margin and it flew with a descernible wobble, which is just about right on target. Hans also wrote "Launch" which is a handy and accurate flight modeller, although metric. -Robert In a message dated 7/21/2009 7:31:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhadv at pacifier.com writes: For me I like to design it in RockSim and get a ball park idea of where the CP and CG are at and what it might do. What you do is just use an Excel spreadsheet to calculate the CG and the weight and then RockSim does the CP. To calculate a CG in excel just choose an end to work from (the datum) where that end is distance 0 then for each component put where it is from the datum and what it weighs. Create a line for the moments (the position times the mass) then sume the moments and devide by the total mass and that gives you the CG measured from the datum. Or you could just build the thing in Rock Sim and add the weight for every part you use and the machine will do it. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets **************Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223096155x1201715982/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D6) -------------- next part -------------- For balance design as well as general aerodynamics,?I use "Aerolab" by Hans Olaf Toft at D.A.R.K., the Danish rocket club.? It has a parts lister which does the job fairly easily.? It calculates weight and both? pitch and role moments as well as cg.? You can let it calculate things like "current nose cone" and "current fins", but the rest are put in as tubes, cylinders, frustrums, etc.? The download is free.? Go? to DARK or Nakka-rocketry.net for links.? I have build 3 scratch designs and each has performed almost exactly as modeled.? On one little G design I deliberately balanced one flight to 1/2 caliber margin and it flew with a descernible wobble, which is just about right on target.? Hans also wrote "Launch" which is a handy and accurate flight modeller, although metric. -Robert In a message dated 7/21/2009 7:31:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhadv at pacifier.com writes: For me I like to design it in RockSim and get a ball park idea of where the CP and CG are at and what it might do. ? ?? What you do is just use an Excel spreadsheet to calculate the CG and the weight and then RockSim does the CP.? To calculate a CG in excel just choose an end to work from (the datum) where that end is distance 0 then for each component put where it is from the datum and what it weighs.? Create a line for the moments (the position times the mass) then sume the moments and devide by the total mass and that gives you the CG measured from the datum. ? ?? Or you could just build the thing in Rock Sim and add the weight for every part you use and the machine will do it. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223096155x1201715982/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D6 Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Wed Jul 22 10:18:16 2009 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:18:16 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] interesting Apollo sidebar Message-ID: <4A6749D8.7000402@hawkfeather.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/22/destination_moon/ Andrew. From bjarchow at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 12:35:13 2009 From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:35:13 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 In-Reply-To: <4A669BA6.3030602@earthlink.net> References: <4A669BA6.3030602@earthlink.net> Message-ID: And now I am depressed. I just saw NASA is planning an Ares 1-X suborbital launch from the Kennedy Space Center on Aug 30. I fly home on Aug 29 and, due to other commitments, I cannot extend my stay. At least my schedule has me present for the next scheduled shuttle launch. And, at 4:35 AM, I think it'll leave me enough time to get back for a 10 AM conference. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Hammer wrote: > > http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NASA_Ares_I_First_Stage_Motor_To_be_Tested_August_25_999.html > > NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 > > NASA and ATK unveil the completed Ares I first stage five-segment solid > rocket booster in Promontory, Utah. The completed solid rocket booster > is now installed horizontally in a test stand that was modified from the > space shuttle's four-segment configuration to fit the new five-segment > Ares I booster. > > Instrumentation will be installed over the next month in preparation for > the first major ground test of the NASA Constellation program August 25. -------------- next part -------------- At least my schedule has me present for the next scheduled shuttle launch. And, at 4:35 AM, I think it'll leave me enough time to get back for a 10 AM conference. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Hammer < mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net > wrote: http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NASA_Ares_I_First_Stage_Motor_To_be_Tested_August_25_999.html http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NASA_Ares_I_First_Stage_Motor_To_be_Tested_August_25_999.html NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 NASA and ATK unveil the completed Ares I first stage five-segment solid rocket booster in Promontory, Utah. The completed solid rocket booster is now installed horizontally in a test stand that was modified from the space shuttle's four-segment configuration to fit the new five-segment Ares I booster. Instrumentation will be installed over the next month in preparation for the first major ground test of the NASA Constellation program August 25. From t.j.doll at att.net Wed Jul 22 16:07:06 2009 From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:07:06 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 Message-ID: <072220092307.4509.4A679B9A00037E490000119D22230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Am I the only one that thinks it's foolish to use solid boosters on a man-rated rocket? Not only is there the issue of "you can't turn it off" once it's lit, solid boosters tend to explode far more violently when things go bad than liquid propellant. They need to re-examine using an updated version of the F-1 LOX/Kerosene engine from the Saturn V. Tim -------------- next part -------------- Am I the only one that thinks it's foolish to use solid boosters on a man-rated rocket? ? Not only is there the issue of "you can't turn it off" once it's lit, solid boosters tend to explode far more violently when things go bad than liquid propellant. ? They need to re-examine using an updated version of the F-1 LOX/Kerosene engine from the Saturn V.? ? Tim ? From winningstad at comcast.net Wed Jul 22 16:23:45 2009 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:23:45 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 In-Reply-To: <072220092307.4509.4A679B9A00037E490000119D22230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> References: <072220092307.4509.4A679B9A00037E490000119D22230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Message-ID: The boosters can be ejected if you no longer want them... It doesn't make any difference which type blows up...they're toast... Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 It is bad luck to be superstitious. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of t.j.doll at att.net Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:07 PM To: Rocket Lost Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 Am I the only one that thinks it's foolish to use solid boosters on a man-rated rocket? Not only is there the issue of "you can't turn it off" once it's lit, solid boosters tend to explode far more violently when things go bad than liquid propellant. They need to re-examine using an updated version of the F-1 LOX/Kerosene engine from the Saturn V. Tim From winningstad at comcast.net Wed Jul 22 16:42:12 2009 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:42:12 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 In-Reply-To: References: <072220092307.4509.4A679B9A00037E490000119D22230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Message-ID: <7179F9AAD94C4D61A6A52CFAA11CE69B@downstair> Tim! You're on to something here...one Sat V puts up about 4.5 shuttles worth of pounds...throw weight...cargo...stuff...it is FAR cheaper than the boondoggle shuttle...and safer two... Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 It is bad luck to be superstitious. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:24 PM To: t.j.doll at att.net; 'Rocket Lost' Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 The boosters can be ejected if you no longer want them... It doesn't make any difference which type blows up...they're toast... Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 It is bad luck to be superstitious. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of t.j.doll at att.net Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:07 PM To: Rocket Lost Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 Am I the only one that thinks it's foolish to use solid boosters on a man-rated rocket? Not only is there the issue of "you can't turn it off" once it's lit, solid boosters tend to explode far more violently when things go bad than liquid propellant. They need to re-examine using an updated version of the F-1 LOX/Kerosene engine from the Saturn V. Tim _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From robert.krausert at intel.com Wed Jul 22 16:44:36 2009 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:44:36 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 In-Reply-To: References: <072220092307.4509.4A679B9A00037E490000119D22230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E39CDBD14@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Clarification. Solid APCP solid fuel doesn't explode. Our DC judge just confirmed that case. As for the main point, no clue. I'm not sure liquid is any safer than solid. Except the ability to shut it down. But then again... I've seen cato's a few times. If liquid had a problem and heading to cato, the shut-down time lapse cannot be too long. Human controlled, I think both instances of liquid versus solid, it would be too late. Computer sensors on all O-ring blow-by zones might be fast enough. The shuttle I believe uses both. ~2 million pounds of solid fuel in the SRBs and I believe a lot of liquid fuel is spent during take off via the shuttle's engines for stability. From the main tank. Again, no clue. I just visualize if something happens, it's over quickly. I'm thinking milliseconds of reaction time, not seconds. Agree with Dennis, toaster struddle. Unfortunately I do not think we've ever gotten a good interview from anyone flying on a cato'd rocket. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:24 PM To: t.j.doll at att.net; 'Rocket Lost' Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 The boosters can be ejected if you no longer want them... It doesn't make any difference which type blows up...they're toast... Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 It is bad luck to be superstitious. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of t.j.doll at att.net Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:07 PM To: Rocket Lost Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 Am I the only one that thinks it's foolish to use solid boosters on a man-rated rocket? Not only is there the issue of "you can't turn it off" once it's lit, solid boosters tend to explode far more violently when things go bad than liquid propellant. They need to re-examine using an updated version of the F-1 LOX/Kerosene engine from the Saturn V. Tim _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jim at jmw29221.com Wed Jul 22 17:14:41 2009 From: jim at jmw29221.com (jim at jmw29221.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:14:41 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 In-Reply-To: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E39CDBD14@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <072220092307.4509.4A679B9A00037E490000119D22230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E39CDBD14@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <37e9042b8f63f8077858059f1f20cbb0@mx1.blastzone.com> The Shuttle SRBs, I believe, have the ability to be shut down. This is performed via det cord around the top of the motor. This opens up the SRB like taking the lid off of a jar, rapidly drops the chamber pressure and shuts down the burn. Similar to an APCP motor that overpressurizes and blows the fwd or aft closure. If you've been to more than one or two HPR launches you've probably seen this failure mode. As Dennis said, I think that the SRBs get separated first. And there's obviously no re-light capability. But they can be shut down before they're completely burned. Regards Jim On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:44:36 -0700, "Krausert, Robert" wrote: > Clarification. Solid APCP solid fuel doesn't explode. Our DC judge just > confirmed that case. > > As for the main point, no clue. I'm not sure liquid is any safer than > solid. Except the ability to shut it down. But then again... I've seen > cato's a few times. If liquid had a problem and heading to cato, the > shut-down time lapse cannot be too long. Human controlled, I think both > instances of liquid versus solid, it would be too late. Computer sensors on > all O-ring blow-by zones might be fast enough. The shuttle I believe uses > both. ~2 million pounds of solid fuel in the SRBs and I believe a lot of > liquid fuel is spent during take off via the shuttle's engines for > stability. From the main tank. > > Again, no clue. I just visualize if something happens, it's over quickly. > I'm thinking milliseconds of reaction time, not seconds. Agree with Dennis, > toaster struddle. Unfortunately I do not think we've ever gotten a good > interview from anyone flying on a cato'd rocket. > > Cheers, > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:24 PM > To: t.j.doll at att.net; 'Rocket Lost' > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August > 25 > > The boosters can be ejected if you no longer want them... > > It doesn't make any difference which type blows up...they're toast... > > Dennis S Winningstad > 503-781-3529 > > It is bad luck to be superstitious. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of t.j.doll at att.net > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:07 PM > To: Rocket Lost > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August > 25 > > Am I the only one that thinks it's foolish to use solid boosters on a > man-rated rocket? > > Not only is there the issue of "you can't turn it off" once it's lit, solid > boosters tend to explode far more violently when things go bad than liquid > propellant. > > They need to re-examine using an updated version of the F-1 LOX/Kerosene > engine from the Saturn V. > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From fred_bare at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 18:31:28 2009 From: fred_bare at yahoo.com (Fred Bare) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Summer Thunder launch reminder 26JUL09 (AD) In-Reply-To: <4A64B501.802@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <89828.24996.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello fellow Rocketeers, Thanks to Bill and Dave at Puget Sound Propulsion, I will have a collection of hobby motors and cases for sale at the launch.? They are sorry they cannot attend and see everyone, but they have sent supplies with me to have at the launch.? So if you are looking to fly or stock up on some motors or cases, they will be available this weekend.? Don't forget to bring your rocket/boost gliders for the competition. Hope to see everyone there. Thanks again Bill and Dave at PSP Greg Wilson Roadside Hobbies 253-961-4397 I just wanted to remind every one in the Seattle area of the upcoming Summer Thunder launch at 60 Acres Park in Redmond, WA on Sunday, 26 July 2009 from 10:00AM to 6:00PM. Roadside Hobbies will be the on-site vendor selling motors and kits.? They are also the sponsor of the boost glider competition. You can download a copy of the flyer (in PDF format) here. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Summer%20Thunder%20launch%20flyer.pdf -------------- next part -------------- Hello fellow Rocketeers, Thanks to Bill and Dave at Puget Sound Propulsion, I will have a collection of hobby motors and cases for sale at the launch.? They are sorry they cannot attend and see everyone, but they have sent supplies with me to have at the launch.? So if you are looking to fly or stock up on some motors or cases, they will be available this weekend.? Don't forget to bring your rocket/boost gliders for the competition. Hope to see everyone there. Thanks again Bill and Dave at PSP Greg Wilson Roadside Hobbies 253-961-4397 I just wanted to remind every one in the Seattle area of the upcoming Summer Thunder launch at 60 Acres Park in Redmond, WA on Sunday, 26 July 2009 from 10:00AM to 6:00PM. Roadside Hobbies will be the on-site vendor selling motors and kits.? They are also the sponsor of the boost glider competition. You can download a copy of the flyer (in PDF format) here. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Summer%20Thunder%20launch%20flyer.pdf http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Summer%20Thunder%20launch%20flyer.pdf From absworld at cet.com Wed Jul 22 19:45:02 2009 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:45:02 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 In-Reply-To: <37e9042b8f63f8077858059f1f20cbb0@mx1.blastzone.com> References: <072220092307.4509.4A679B9A00037E490000119D22230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E39CDBD14@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> <37e9042b8f63f8077858059f1f20cbb0@mx1.blastzone.com> Message-ID: <004501ca0b3f$943dbe40$bcb93ac0$@com> Static stability of SRB's over liquids represent a significant safety factor. As a newbie in research, I'm still stinging from multiple CATO events so sensitive to what 'can' happen with solids. I think at the professional level, they have SRB's pretty well characterized. No way around it, that first 2 minutes of shuttle boost is my favorite part of every flight. bobY -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of jim at jmw29221.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:15 PM To: Krausert, Robert Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August 25 The Shuttle SRBs, I believe, have the ability to be shut down. This is performed via det cord around the top of the motor. This opens up the SRB like taking the lid off of a jar, rapidly drops the chamber pressure and shuts down the burn. Similar to an APCP motor that overpressurizes and blows the fwd or aft closure. If you've been to more than one or two HPR launches you've probably seen this failure mode. As Dennis said, I think that the SRBs get separated first. And there's obviously no re-light capability. But they can be shut down before they're completely burned. Regards Jim On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:44:36 -0700, "Krausert, Robert" wrote: > Clarification. Solid APCP solid fuel doesn't explode. Our DC judge just > confirmed that case. > > As for the main point, no clue. I'm not sure liquid is any safer than > solid. Except the ability to shut it down. But then again... I've seen > cato's a few times. If liquid had a problem and heading to cato, the > shut-down time lapse cannot be too long. Human controlled, I think both > instances of liquid versus solid, it would be too late. Computer sensors on > all O-ring blow-by zones might be fast enough. The shuttle I believe uses > both. ~2 million pounds of solid fuel in the SRBs and I believe a lot of > liquid fuel is spent during take off via the shuttle's engines for > stability. From the main tank. > > Again, no clue. I just visualize if something happens, it's over quickly. > I'm thinking milliseconds of reaction time, not seconds. Agree with Dennis, > toaster struddle. Unfortunately I do not think we've ever gotten a good > interview from anyone flying on a cato'd rocket. > > Cheers, > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:24 PM > To: t.j.doll at att.net; 'Rocket Lost' > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August > 25 > > The boosters can be ejected if you no longer want them... > > It doesn't make any difference which type blows up...they're toast... > > Dennis S Winningstad > 503-781-3529 > > It is bad luck to be superstitious. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of t.j.doll at att.net > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:07 PM > To: Rocket Lost > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA Ares I First Stage Motor To be Tested August > 25 > > Am I the only one that thinks it's foolish to use solid boosters on a > man-rated rocket? > > Not only is there the issue of "you can't turn it off" once it's lit, solid > boosters tend to explode far more violently when things go bad than liquid > propellant. > > They need to re-examine using an updated version of the F-1 LOX/Kerosene > engine from the Saturn V. > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.23/2254 - Release Date: 07/22/09 05:59:00 From bigredbee at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 21:45:01 2009 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:45:01 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? Message-ID: So -- what's the longest *commercially available* 54mm motor casing? Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... -- Greg -------------- next part -------------- Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... -- Greg From stevet19759 at comcast.net Wed Jul 22 21:54:49 2009 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:54:49 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A67ED19.7060106@comcast.net> It's not the longest, but it had better hold at least a K270. A 54mm minimum-diameter just calls out for a moonburner! -ST Greg Clark wrote: > Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... > -- Greg > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From vern_knowles at att.net Wed Jul 22 22:09:57 2009 From: vern_knowles at att.net (Vern Knowles) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:09:57 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007f01ca0b53$d34d9ab0$0400a8c0@MainPC> The Loki L1400 is 73.6cm long. A close second is the AMW L1300 or the KBA L1400, both at 72.8cm. The Aerotech K1050 is 62.7cm. Vern Knowles www.vernk.com > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:45 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? > > So -- what's the longest *commercially available* 54mm motor casing? > Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... > > -- Greg > From pasha at kali.com Wed Jul 22 21:53:27 2009 From: pasha at kali.com (Robert Kelley) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:53:27 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A67ECC7.20801@kali.com> Loki Research sells some 54mm L motors that are 40.0 inches long, they might be the longest. Greg Clark wrote: > Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... > -- Greg > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From mrrominwa at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 22:36:01 2009 From: mrrominwa at yahoo.com (dave woodard) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? Message-ID: <423446.70840.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> skyripper is 98 cm but hybrid? Dave --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Greg Clark wrote: From: Greg Clark Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 9:45 PM Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... -- Greg -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? -------------- next part -------------- skyripper is 98 cm but hybrid? Dave --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Greg Clark wrote: From: Greg Clark Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 9:45 PM Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... -- Greg -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list http://us.mc531.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Thu Jul 23 11:15:34 2009 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:15:34 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? In-Reply-To: <007f01ca0b53$d34d9ab0$0400a8c0@MainPC> References: , <007f01ca0b53$d34d9ab0$0400a8c0@MainPC> Message-ID: <3A117F0D50887C4EAA3B35717ADE20991EF395@BL2PRD0102MB015.prod.exchangelabs.com> The longest CTI 54 is the 6GXL at 25.14" ________________________________________ From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] on behalf of Vern Knowles [vern_knowles at att.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:09 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? The Loki L1400 is 73.6cm long. A close second is the AMW L1300 or the KBA L1400, both at 72.8cm. The Aerotech K1050 is 62.7cm. Vern Knowles www.vernk.com > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:45 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? > > So -- what's the longest *commercially available* 54mm motor casing? > Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... > > -- Greg > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Thu Jul 23 12:25:49 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:25:49 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Head Mounted Water Cannon Message-ID: <4A68B93D.80607@earthlink.net> Great for the FCO to use at your next rocket launch or for your children to play with. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqKDZyZhHTA Robert From ghuber at landacorp.com Thu Jul 23 13:05:53 2009 From: ghuber at landacorp.com (Geoff Huber) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:05:53 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? In-Reply-To: <4A67ECC7.20801@kali.com> References: <4A67ECC7.20801@kali.com> Message-ID: With Kosdon back in action there is the Kosdon L 3000. I'll have to measure the case... it is at least 40" long... maybe close to 48".... Geoff -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Kelley Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:53 PM To: Greg Clark Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? Loki Research sells some 54mm L motors that are 40.0 inches long, they might be the longest. Greg Clark wrote: > Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... > -- Greg > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From ghuber at landacorp.com Thu Jul 23 13:44:49 2009 From: ghuber at landacorp.com (Geoff Huber) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:44:49 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? In-Reply-To: References: <4A67ECC7.20801@kali.com> Message-ID: 43.85" long by the old Kosdon Catalog I found online.... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Huber Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:06 PM To: Robert Kelley; Greg Clark Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? With Kosdon back in action there is the Kosdon L 3000. I'll have to measure the case... it is at least 40" long... maybe close to 48".... Geoff -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Kelley Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:53 PM To: Greg Clark Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? Loki Research sells some 54mm L motors that are 40.0 inches long, they might be the longest. Greg Clark wrote: > Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... > -- Greg > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From Mfreptiles at aol.com Thu Jul 23 17:47:43 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:47:43 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? Message-ID: Why commercial only? Make it long enough to hold a 72" 54mm M. Let me know if you want to try one in trade for a beeline tx. :). Mike F. In a message dated 7/23/2009 1:45:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ghuber at landacorp.com writes: 43.85" long by the old Kosdon Catalog I found online.... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Huber Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:06 PM To: Robert Kelley; Greg Clark Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? With Kosdon back in action there is the Kosdon L 3000. I'll have to measure the case... it is at least 40" long... maybe close to 48".... Geoff -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Kelley Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:53 PM To: Greg Clark Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? Loki Research sells some 54mm L motors that are 40.0 inches long, they might be the longest. Greg Clark wrote: > Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... > -- Greg > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Why commercial only? ? Make it long enough to hold a 72" 54mm M.? Let me know if you want to try one in trade for a beeline tx. :).? ? Mike F. ? In a message dated 7/23/2009 1:45:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ghuber at landacorp.com writes: 43.85" long by the old Kosdon Catalog I found online.... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Huber Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:06 PM To: Robert Kelley; Greg Clark Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? With Kosdon back in action there is the Kosdon L 3000. I'll have to measure the case...? it is at least 40" long... maybe close to 48"....? Geoff -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Kelley Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:53 PM To: Greg Clark Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? Loki Research sells some 54mm L motors that are 40.0 inches long, they might be the longest. Greg Clark wrote: > Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... > -- Greg > >?? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >?? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From jhadv at pacifier.com Thu Jul 23 19:22:58 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49303.209.253.79.135.1248402178.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> "The longest CTI 54 is the 6GXL at 25.14" Plus .6 inches for the protrusion of the front closure and plus another .375. for the protrusion of the rear closure briging the total loaded motor to about 26.12 inches if memory serves. From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 20:14:14 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:14:14 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? References: Message-ID: <4114F40E5A2846F8BB5E8A2AF92AE247@LaptopKrausert> There you go Greg. 72" x 2.13" dia of Mike's fuel grains that will burn out in 0.5 seconds. 300g's, 3500 fps... All SMT compoents on the altimeter and Beeline will need to be solid. You'll need lots of duct tape for those fins to hold. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? > Why commercial only? > > Make it long enough to hold a 72" 54mm M. Let me know if you want to try > one in trade for a beeline tx. :). > > Mike F. > > > In a message dated 7/23/2009 1:45:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > ghuber at landacorp.com writes: > > 43.85" long by the old Kosdon Catalog I found online.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Huber > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:06 PM > To: Robert Kelley; Greg Clark > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? > > > With Kosdon back in action there is the Kosdon L 3000. > > I'll have to measure the case... it is at least 40" long... maybe close > to 48".... > > Geoff > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Kelley > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:53 PM > To: Greg Clark > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? > > > Loki Research sells some 54mm L motors that are 40.0 inches long, they > might be the longest. > > Greg Clark wrote: >> Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... >> -- Greg >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 23:03:15 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:03:15 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Trailer GSE Party - August 22nd 10am References: Message-ID: OregonRocketry Members, READ THIS I call out to you. I need your help. You elected me President. I certainly hope I've helped bring the club to the 21st century and have brought more fun to meetings and events. As your president, I bend over backwards to help make your experience is good and expectations are met at meetings and every launch. I've heard comments and excitement when GSE is up and ready Friday AM. Unlike years past. That is my commitment to you. That will not change, as President or as general member. For this club I'll do what it takes to make sure you and your family/friends have a great time. Now I call on you to help. I call on you all now. We need your help to ensure GSE is fixed and sound. If you believe in me and this fantastic club, your help is needed to make our equipment works when you expect it. How many trips to high power for a recycle before blaming the GSE? Don't waiver. Sign up and help. Sign up, help out, make me proud. I need your help. I'm asking... Please email Gwen if you can attend, copy me please. Cheers, Robert Just a member ----- Original Message ----- From: Gwen Moscoe To: members at oregonrocketry.org Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: [OROC Members] Trailer pre-work party Steve Tarr and I will be working to pull out the electronics and do some initial review and work of the contents next Sunday, July 26. We'll be gathering at 1:30pm. If anyone wants to join us, that would be helpful. This is not the "full" trailer work party prior to Sheridan, but rather an assessment and triage event. Still, help would be...um...helpful! The full work party to prep our equipment for Sheridan and the Oct Brothers launch will be at 10am on Saturday, Aug 22. Please, everyone who can clear that on their calendar, we really need the help that day. As always, we'll get done what we can with the people available. Clean rods/rails will be the skimped task if we are short people. Thanks all! ~Gwen Moscoe, RSO and Quartermistress Emeritus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Members mailing list Members at oregonrocketry.org http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members -------------- next part -------------- OregonRocketry Members, READ THIS ? I call out to you. I need your help. ? You elected me President. I certainly hope I've helped bring the club to the 21st century and have brought more fun to meetings and events. As your president, I bend over backwards to help make your experience is good and expectations are met at meetings and every launch. I've heard comments and excitement when GSE is up and ready Friday AM. Unlike years past. That is my commitment to you.?That will not change, as President or as general member. For this club I'll do what it takes to make sure you and your family/friends have a great time. ? Now I call on you to help. ? I call on you all now. We need your help to ensure GSE is fixed and sound. If you believe in me and this fantastic club, your help is needed to make our equipment works when you expect it. How many trips to high power for?a recycle before blaming the GSE? Don't waiver. Sign up and help. ? Sign up, help out, make me proud. I need your help. I'm asking... Please email Gwen if you can attend, copy me please. ? Cheers, Robert Just a member ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:rmoscoe at msn.com Gwen Moscoe To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: [OROC Members] Trailer pre-work party Steve Tarr and I will be working to pull out the electronics and do some initial review and work of the contents next Sunday, July 26.? We'll be gathering at 1:30pm.? If anyone wants to join us, that would be helpful.? This is not the "full" trailer work party prior to Sheridan, but rather an assessment and?triage event.? Still, help would be...um...helpful! ? The full work party to prep our equipment for Sheridan and the Oct Brothers launch will be at 10am on Saturday, Aug 22 .? Please, everyone who can clear that on their calendar, we really need the help that day.? As always, we'll get done what we can with the people available.? Clean rods/rails will be the skimped task if we are short people. ? Thanks all! ~Gwen Moscoe, RSO and Quartermistress Emeritus _______________________________________________ Members mailing list Members at oregonrocketry.org http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members From jjcllc03 at aol.com Thu Jul 23 23:47:35 2009 From: jjcllc03 at aol.com (jjcllc03 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:47:35 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? In-Reply-To: <007f01ca0b53$d34d9ab0$0400a8c0@MainPC> References: <007f01ca0b53$d34d9ab0$0400a8c0@MainPC> Message-ID: <8CBDA41C2B0C12B-13D8-2676@WEBMAIL-DZ05.sysops.aol.com> I have the Loki L1400 and can vouch for it being the longest 54mm commercial motor.? It's a nice one, too! Jack -----Original Message----- From: Vern Knowles To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 10:09 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? The Loki L1400 is 73.6cm long. A close second is the AMW L1300 or the KBA L1400, both at 72.8cm. The Aerotech K1050 is 62.7cm. Vern Knowles www.vernk.com > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:45 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? > > So -- what's the longest *commercially available* 54mm motor casing? > Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... > > -- Greg > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Jack -----Original Message----- From: Vern Knowles To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 10:09 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? The Loki L1400 is 73.6cm long. A close second is the AMW L1300 or the KBA L1400, both at 72.8cm. The Aerotech K1050 is 62.7cm. Vern Knowles http://www.vernk.com/ www.vernk.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [ mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com? mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Greg Clark > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:45 PM > To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Longest commercial 54mm motor? > > So -- what's the longest *commercially available* 54mm motor casing? > Don't want to build this next rocket too short..... > > -- Greg > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From george at rachors.com Fri Jul 24 07:59:46 2009 From: george at rachors.com (George L. Rachor Jr.) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Trailer GSE Party - August 22nd 10am In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090724075917.X53656@racsys.rachors.com> I'm going to try to make this. I'll need the address of the trailer! ========================================================= George L. Rachor Jr. george at rachors.com Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, Robert Krausert wrote: > OregonRocketry Members, READ THIS > > I call out to you. I need your help. > > You elected me President. I certainly hope I've helped bring the club to the 21st century and have brought more fun to meetings and events. As your president, I bend over backwards to help make your experience is good and expectations are met at meetings and every launch. I've heard comments and excitement when GSE is up and ready Friday AM. Unlike years past. That is my commitment to you. That will not change, as President or as general member. For this club I'll do what it takes to make sure you and your family/friends have a great time. > > Now I call on you to help. > > I call on you all now. We need your help to ensure GSE is fixed and sound. If you believe in me and this fantastic club, your help is needed to make our equipment works when you expect it. How many trips to high power for a recycle before blaming the GSE? Don't waiver. Sign up and help. > > Sign up, help out, make me proud. I need your help. I'm asking... Please email Gwen if you can attend, copy me please. > > Cheers, > Robert > Just a member > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gwen Moscoe > To: members at oregonrocketry.org > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:07 PM > Subject: [OROC Members] Trailer pre-work party > > > Steve Tarr and I will be working to pull out the electronics and do some initial review and work of the contents next Sunday, July 26. We'll be gathering at 1:30pm. If anyone wants to join us, that would be helpful. This is not the "full" trailer work party prior to Sheridan, but rather an assessment and triage event. Still, help would be...um...helpful! > > The full work party to prep our equipment for Sheridan and the Oct Brothers launch will be at 10am on Saturday, Aug 22. Please, everyone who can clear that on their calendar, we really need the help that day. As always, we'll get done what we can with the people available. Clean rods/rails will be the skimped task if we are short people. > > Thanks all! > ~Gwen Moscoe, RSO and Quartermistress Emeritus > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Members mailing list > Members at oregonrocketry.org > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Jul 24 10:00:48 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:00:48 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] CG calculations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A69E8C0.7030609@earthlink.net> You can find it at the DARK website in their downloads section. http://www.dark.dk/ or here http://users.cybercity.dk/~dko7904/software.htm or here http://www.rocketry.org/software/softwareDetails.php?mainID=344 or here http://www.nakka-rocketry.net/softw.html robert Simpsonclark at aol.com wrote: > For balance design as well as general aerodynamics, I use "Aerolab" by Hans Olaf Toft at D.A.R.K., the Danish rocket club. It has a parts lister which does the job fairly easily. It calculates weight and both pitch and role moments as well as cg. You can let it calculate things like "current nose cone" and "current fins", but the rest are put in as tubes, cylinders, frustrums, etc. The download is free. Go to DARK or Nakka-rocketry.net for links. I have build 3 scratch designs and each has performed almost exactly as modeled. On one little G design I deliberately balanced one flight to 1/2 caliber margin and it flew with a descernible wobble, which is just about right on target. Hans also wrote "Launch" which is a handy and accurate flight modeller, although metric. > -Robert > In a message dated 7/21/2009 7:31:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhadv at pacifier.com writes: > For me I like to design it in RockSim and get a ball park idea of where > the CP and CG are at and what it might do. > What you do is just use an Excel spreadsheet to calculate the CG and > the weight and then RockSim does the CP. To calculate a CG in excel > just choose an end to work from (the datum) where that end is > distance 0 then for each component put where it is from the datum and > what it weighs. Create a line for the moments (the position times > the mass) then sume the moments and devide by the total mass and that > gives you the CG measured from the datum. > Or you could just build the thing in Rock Sim and add the weight for > every part you use and the machine will do it. > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223096155x1201715982/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D6 Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 18:57:10 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:57:10 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Meeting; Seeking Member Projects Show & Tell Message-ID: <054688F9B47D46659591AA2393B46D72@LaptopKrausert> Hello, The next OROC meeting is Thursday August 6th at Giovanni's in Beaverton. If you have a project, flight result, or anything rocketry related that you'd like to share during the meeting? Yes... Giovanni's has seen a large number of high power rockets walk in and pass their other customers. You are welcome to bring and show it and talk about it. If you have something you'd like to share, please send me an email. Tell me what you have and approximately how much time you'll need. This is a club meeting. Your meeting. We encourage club members to share and participate in these meetings. Join us and have fun. The formal agenda will be sent next week. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Hello, The next OROC meeting is Thursday August 6th at Giovanni's in Beaverton. If you have a project, flight result, or anything rocketry related that you'd like to share during the meeting? ? Yes... Giovanni's has seen a large number of high power rockets walk in and pass their other customers. You are welcome to bring and show it and talk about it. ? If you have something you'd like to share, please send me an email. Tell me what you have and approximately how much time you'll need. ? This is a club meeting. Your meeting. We encourage club members to share and participate in these meetings. ? Join us and have fun. The formal agenda will be sent next week. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Jul 26 06:36:21 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:36:21 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Summer Thunder Launch today Message-ID: <4A6C5BD5.7090608@earthlink.net> Today is the Summer Thunder launch at 60 Acres Park in Redmond that starts at 10:00AM. It's going to be slightly on the warm side today so bring plenty of water and sunscreen (and an Easy Up for shade). With the heat brings thermals that hopefully will help rocketeers participating in the BG competition sponsored by Roadside Hobbies (and on-site launch vendor). I'm bringing a Quest Flat Cat for the B category. If you have any questions please call me at the phone number below. I look forward to see you there! Robert Nech tel:206.371.0907 From t.j.doll at att.net Sun Jul 26 21:46:00 2009 From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 04:46:00 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Summer Thunder Launch Message-ID: <072720090446.17890.4A6D310800068217000045E222193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> It appears I had a dumbass/senior moment, and left my launch control system behind (Estes 'Pro Series' system). Please, someone tell me they noticed and picked it up..... Tim -------------- next part -------------- It appears I had a dumbass/senior moment, and left my launch control system behind (Estes 'Pro Series' system). ? Please, someone tell me they noticed and picked it up..... ? Tim From steve at tytler.com Mon Jul 27 12:05:51 2009 From: steve at tytler.com (Steve Tytler) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:05:51 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Summer Thunder Launch today In-Reply-To: <4A6C5BD5.7090608@earthlink.net> References: <4A6C5BD5.7090608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0a5401ca0eed$431b2190$6501a8c0@HDNW1> I missed the launch yesterday because I was out of town. Any more launches planned for this summer at 60 Acres? -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:36 AM To: NW Rocketry mailing list Subject: [RocketsNW] Summer Thunder Launch today Today is the Summer Thunder launch at 60 Acres Park in Redmond that starts at 10:00AM. It's going to be slightly on the warm side today so bring plenty of water and sunscreen (and an Easy Up for shade). With the heat brings thermals that hopefully will help rocketeers participating in the BG competition sponsored by Roadside Hobbies (and on-site launch vendor). I'm bringing a Quest Flat Cat for the B category. If you have any questions please call me at the phone number below. I look forward to see you there! Robert Nech tel:206.371.0907 _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Jul 27 20:49:42 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:49:42 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) Message-ID: Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use solely for rocket tracking. My next purchase is an antenna. I'm looking at the arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I should stick with less elements for ease of use. Anybody who has some experience in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. Thanks, Mike F. -------------- next part -------------- Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use solely for rocket tracking.? My next purchase is an antenna.? I'm looking at the arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I should stick with less elements for ease of use.? Anybody who has some experience in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. ? Thanks, Mike F. From bigredbee at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 21:18:21 2009 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:18:21 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nice price! Tradeoff is more elements == more directionality == less ease of use. Many of "us" use this 6 element homebrew design, I wouldn't want to go much longer, and I find the 2'+ boom very manageable. I think Arrow has a 5 element design that's about the same size, and a 7 element one that's longer. I'm thinking of buying the longer one even though I just recommended against it ;) http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html Just make sure that you have a good way of connecting the radio to the antenna that makes it very easy to use. Some people attach the radio directly to the boom. I like a short cable that allows them to be separated by 1' or so of cable so I can hold the radio closer to my eyes and ears while rotating the antenna. -- Greg K7RKT On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:49 PM, wrote: > Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use solely > for rocket tracking. My next purchase is an antenna. I'm looking at the > arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I should > stick with less elements for ease of use. Anybody who has some experience > in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. > > Thanks, > Mike F. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- Tradeoff is more elements == more directionality == less ease of use. Many of "us" use this 6 element homebrew design, I wouldn't want to go much longer, and I find the 2'+ boom very manageable. ?I think Arrow has a 5 element design that's about the same size, and a 7 element one that's longer. ?I'm thinking of buying the longer one even though I just recommended against it ;) http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html Just make sure that you have a good way of connecting the radio to the antenna that makes it very easy to use. ?Some people attach the radio directly to the boom. ?I like a short cable that allows them to be?separated?by 1' or so of cable so I can hold the radio closer to my eyes and ears while rotating the antenna. -- Greg K7RKT On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:49 PM, < mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com Mfreptiles at aol.com > wrote: Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use solely for rocket tracking.? My next purchase is an antenna.? I'm looking at the arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I should stick with less elements for ease of use.? Anybody who has some experience in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. ? Thanks, Mike F. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 21:20:23 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:20:23 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) References: Message-ID: <7BC0B5D3BF054DB9A18BC3981B11F42E@LaptopKrausert> Mike. Let me recap your event. 200+g's Mach 2+ 72" motor, burn out @ 0.5 sec The happy little tracker will have ripped a "i'm idle" hole in your rocket and will be sitting happy on the pad. If it does leave with the rocket, youl'll have a nice "some assembly required" kit waiting for you. Just kidding. Shear those surface mount components. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) > Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use > solely > for rocket tracking. My next purchase is an antenna. I'm looking at the > arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I > should > stick with less elements for ease of use. Anybody who has some experience > in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. > > Thanks, > Mike F. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Jul 27 21:54:31 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:54:31 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) Message-ID: LOL. Just to clarify, I used a stock beeline in that rocket and didn't even conformally coat any of the surface mount components and it worked perfectly. Those beelines are tough as long as you can keep the battery connector on and you don't rip the antenna off, (or fold it over under thrust) you should get your bird back. I even darted one a few years back which only loosened one of the components and Greg fixed it for free. It was the radio and antenna combo I was using that gave me so much trouble. Once Fred sent me out with his rig I was back in ten minutes with the rocket. Mike F. In a message dated 7/27/2009 9:21:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: Mike. Let me recap your event. 200+g's Mach 2+ 72" motor, burn out @ 0.5 sec The happy little tracker will have ripped a "i'm idle" hole in your rocket and will be sitting happy on the pad. If it does leave with the rocket, youl'll have a nice "some assembly required" kit waiting for you. Just kidding. Shear those surface mount components. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) > Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use > solely > for rocket tracking. My next purchase is an antenna. I'm looking at the > arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I > should > stick with less elements for ease of use. Anybody who has some experience > in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. > > Thanks, > Mike F. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- LOL. ? Just to clarify, I used a stock beeline in that rocket and didn't even conformally coat any of the surface mount components and it worked perfectly.? Those beelines are tough as long as you can keep the battery connector on and you don't rip the antenna off, (or fold it over under thrust) you should get your bird back.? I even darted one a few years back which only loosened one of the components and Greg fixed it for free. ? It was the radio and antenna combo I was using that gave me so much trouble.? Once Fred sent me out with his rig I was back in ten minutes with the rocket. ? Mike F. ? ? ? In a message dated 7/27/2009 9:21:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: Mike. Let me recap your event. 200+g's Mach 2+ 72" motor, burn out @ 0.5 sec The happy little tracker will have ripped a "i'm idle" hole in your rocket and will be sitting happy on the pad. If it does leave with the rocket, youl'll have a nice "some assembly required" kit waiting for you. Just kidding. Shear those surface mount components. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) > Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use > solely > for rocket tracking.? My next purchase is an antenna.? I'm looking at? the > arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I > should > stick with less elements for ease of use.? Anybody who has some experience > in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. > > Thanks, > Mike F. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Jul 27 22:03:37 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:03:37 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) Message-ID: I made one of the homebuilt versions and I don't think it is anywhere near as good as the arrow antennas. Maybe I did something wrong, but instead of mine being ~50 ohms, it only reads about 0.3 ohms. It works, but not very good. You commented on it a few years ago and said that I could kill an elephant with it. :) That's another thing I'd like to do is get a lighter one. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't a trade off regarding range. I like directionality, so I'll probably get the 7 element. It will still be lighter than the "elephant killer". :) Thanks for the input. Mike F. In a message dated 7/27/2009 9:18:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bigredbee at gmail.com writes: Nice price! Tradeoff is more elements == more directionality == less ease of use. Many of "us" use this 6 element homebrew design, I wouldn't want to go much longer, and I find the 2'+ boom very manageable. I think Arrow has a 5 element design that's about the same size, and a 7 element one that's longer. I'm thinking of buying the longer one even though I just recommended against it ;) _http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html_ (http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html) Just make sure that you have a good way of connecting the radio to the antenna that makes it very easy to use. Some people attach the radio directly to the boom. I like a short cable that allows them to be separated by 1' or so of cable so I can hold the radio closer to my eyes and ears while rotating the antenna. -- Greg K7RKT On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:49 PM, <_Mfreptiles at aol.com_ (mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com) > wrote: Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use solely for rocket tracking. My next purchase is an antenna. I'm looking at the arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I should stick with less elements for ease of use. Anybody who has some experience in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. Thanks, Mike F. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list _Rockets at rocketsnw.com_ (mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com) _http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets_ (http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets) -------------- next part -------------- I made one of the homebuilt versions and I don't think it is anywhere near as good as the arrow antennas.? Maybe I did something wrong, but instead of mine being ~50 ohms, it only reads about?0.3 ohms.? It works, but not very good. ? You commented on it a few years ago and said that I could kill an elephant with it. :)? That's another thing I'd like to do is get a lighter one.? ? Just wanted to make sure there wasn't a trade off regarding range.? I like?directionality, so I'll probably get the 7 element.? It will still be lighter than the "elephant killer". :) ? Thanks for the input. ? Mike F. ? In a message dated 7/27/2009 9:18:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bigredbee at gmail.com writes: Nice price! Tradeoff is more elements == more directionality == less ease of use. Many of "us" use this 6 element homebrew design, I wouldn't want to go much longer, and I find the 2'+ boom very manageable. ?I think Arrow has a 5 element design that's about the same size, and a 7 element one that's longer. ?I'm thinking of buying the longer one even though I just recommended against it ;) http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html Just make sure that you have a good way of connecting the radio to the antenna that makes it very easy to use. ?Some people attach the radio directly to the boom. ?I like a short cable that allows them to be?separated?by 1' or so of cable so I can hold the radio closer to my eyes and ears while rotating the antenna. -- Greg K7RKT On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:49 PM, < mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com Mfreptiles at aol.com > wrote: Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use solely for rocket tracking.? My next purchase is an antenna.? I'm looking at the arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I should stick with less elements for ease of use.? Anybody who has some experience in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. ? Thanks, Mike F. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From tom.walsh at intel.com Mon Jul 27 23:18:25 2009 From: tom.walsh at intel.com (Walsh, Tom) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:18:25 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just for clarification, the 50 ohms is only at 70cm. The antenna (and many others) will read a dead short at DC (i.e. with a VOM). More directionality isn't necessarily better. There are a few details left out of the discussion - like maximum side-lobe levels and so on. The upshot is that a smaller antenna (fewer elements) might work better for you. I use the homebuilt one Greg mentioned. Works great. Love to be able to read the S-Meter while holding the antenna over my head, so need a little coax there. Take care, -Tom -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:04 PM To: bigredbee at gmail.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) I made one of the homebuilt versions and I don't think it is anywhere near as good as the arrow antennas. Maybe I did something wrong, but instead of mine being ~50 ohms, it only reads about 0.3 ohms. It works, but not very good. You commented on it a few years ago and said that I could kill an elephant with it. :) That's another thing I'd like to do is get a lighter one. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't a trade off regarding range. I like directionality, so I'll probably get the 7 element. It will still be lighter than the "elephant killer". :) Thanks for the input. Mike F. In a message dated 7/27/2009 9:18:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bigredbee at gmail.com writes: Nice price! Tradeoff is more elements == more directionality == less ease of use. Many of "us" use this 6 element homebrew design, I wouldn't want to go much longer, and I find the 2'+ boom very manageable. I think Arrow has a 5 element design that's about the same size, and a 7 element one that's longer. I'm thinking of buying the longer one even though I just recommended against it ;) _http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html_ (http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html) Just make sure that you have a good way of connecting the radio to the antenna that makes it very easy to use. Some people attach the radio directly to the boom. I like a short cable that allows them to be separated by 1' or so of cable so I can hold the radio closer to my eyes and ears while rotating the antenna. -- Greg K7RKT On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:49 PM, <_Mfreptiles at aol.com_ (mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com) > wrote: Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use solely for rocket tracking. My next purchase is an antenna. I'm looking at the arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I should stick with less elements for ease of use. Anybody who has some experience in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. Thanks, Mike F. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list _Rockets at rocketsnw.com_ (mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com) _http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets_ (http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets) From fred.azinger at intel.com Tue Jul 28 09:40:16 2009 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:40:16 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I sent Mike out with my VX-5 and a 7-element Yagi from Arrow that I had Mike Moore tune for 430Mhz.... I must say I was stunned when he came back so quick - my first thought was that he had a radio problem and was back for help, not that he had the rocket already! The 7-element is big, but when chasing a lost rocket I want the performance.... Last launch I was swinging in the sage for about 6 hours total and boy that got heavy. A cable between the antenna and radio are a necessity...that radio gets heavy fast. Also to help free your hands is the remote mic/speaker. Allows you to clip the radio on your belt and clip the mic to your lapel. You don't need to look at the radio till you get a signal. Unless you want to break down your antenna, use a touch of thread locker on the Arrow antenna -- they rattle loose in my van. Just use a little as you don't want the thread locker to insulate the parts from each other. FredA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Walsh, Tom Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:18 PM To: Mfreptiles at aol.com; bigredbee at gmail.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) Just for clarification, the 50 ohms is only at 70cm. The antenna (and many others) will read a dead short at DC (i.e. with a VOM). More directionality isn't necessarily better. There are a few details left out of the discussion - like maximum side-lobe levels and so on. The upshot is that a smaller antenna (fewer elements) might work better for you. I use the homebuilt one Greg mentioned. Works great. Love to be able to read the S-Meter while holding the antenna over my head, so need a little coax there. Take care, -Tom -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:04 PM To: bigredbee at gmail.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) I made one of the homebuilt versions and I don't think it is anywhere near as good as the arrow antennas. Maybe I did something wrong, but instead of mine being ~50 ohms, it only reads about 0.3 ohms. It works, but not very good. You commented on it a few years ago and said that I could kill an elephant with it. :) That's another thing I'd like to do is get a lighter one. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't a trade off regarding range. I like directionality, so I'll probably get the 7 element. It will still be lighter than the "elephant killer". :) Thanks for the input. Mike F. In a message dated 7/27/2009 9:18:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bigredbee at gmail.com writes: Nice price! Tradeoff is more elements == more directionality == less ease of use. Many of "us" use this 6 element homebrew design, I wouldn't want to go much longer, and I find the 2'+ boom very manageable. I think Arrow has a 5 element design that's about the same size, and a 7 element one that's longer. I'm thinking of buying the longer one even though I just recommended against it ;) _http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html_ (http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html) Just make sure that you have a good way of connecting the radio to the antenna that makes it very easy to use. Some people attach the radio directly to the boom. I like a short cable that allows them to be separated by 1' or so of cable so I can hold the radio closer to my eyes and ears while rotating the antenna. -- Greg K7RKT On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:49 PM, <_Mfreptiles at aol.com_ (mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com) > wrote: Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use solely for rocket tracking. My next purchase is an antenna. I'm looking at the arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I should stick with less elements for ease of use. Anybody who has some experience in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. Thanks, Mike F. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list _Rockets at rocketsnw.com_ (mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com) _http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets_ (http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets) _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From sb at berfield.com Tue Jul 28 18:01:24 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:01:24 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) Message-ID: Good deal. I use one of the arrow 7 element antennas and it works well. Id on't find the weight to be an issue but the length is a little clumsy. I want to make a nice little rack with a grip for all the crap, but for now, I have the antenna connected to my radio with a couple feet of coax so when I track I can hold radio in one hand and antenna in the other. -----Original Message----- From: Mfreptiles at aol.com [mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 08:49 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use solely for rocket tracking. My next purchase is an antenna. I'm looking at the arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I should stick with less elements for ease of use. Anybody who has some experience in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. Thanks,Mike F. -------------- next part -------------- Good deal. I use one of the arrow 7 element antennas and it works well. Id on't find the weight to be an issue but the length is a little clumsy. I want to make a nice little rack with a grip for all the crap, but for now, I have the antenna connected to my radio with a couple feet of coax so when I track I can hold radio in one hand and antenna in the other. ? -----Original Message----- From: Mfreptiles at aol.com [mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 08:49 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use solely for rocket tracking. My next purchase is an antenna. I'm looking at the arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I should stick with less elements for ease of use. Anybody who has some experience in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. Thanks, Mike F. From sb at berfield.com Tue Jul 28 18:02:22 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:02:22 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) Message-ID: Like most things in life, the solution to this sort of thing is bubble wrap. :) -----Original Message----- From: Mfreptiles at aol.com [mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 09:54 PM To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) LOL. Just to clarify, I used a stock beeline in that rocket and didn't even conformally coat any of the surface mount components and it worked perfectly. Those beelines are tough as long as you can keep the battery connector on and you don't rip the antenna off, (or fold it over under thrust) you should get your bird back. I even darted one a few years back which only loosened one of the components and Greg fixed it for free. It was the radio and antenna combo I was using that gave me so much trouble. Once Fred sent me out with his rig I was back in ten minutes with the rocket. Mike F. In a message dated 7/27/2009 9:21:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes:Mike. Let me recap your event.200+g'sMach 2+72" motor, burn out @ 0.5 secThe happy little tracker will have ripped a "i'm idle" hole in your rocket and will be sitting happy on the pad. If it does leave with the rocket, youl'll have a nice "some assembly required" kit waiting for you.Just kidding. Shear those surface mount components. ;-)Cheers,Robert----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:49 PMSubject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help)> Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use > solely> for rocket tracking. My next purchase is an antenna. I'm looking at the> arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I > should> stick with less elements for ease of use. Anybody who has some experience> in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons.>> Thanks,> Mike F.>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> _______________________________________________Rockets mailing listRockets at rocketsnw.comhttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Like most things in life, the solution to this sort of thing is bubble wrap. :) ? -----Original Message----- From: Mfreptiles at aol.com [mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 09:54 PM To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) LOL. Just to clarify, I used a stock beeline in that rocket and didn't even conformally coat any of the surface mount components and it worked perfectly. Those beelines are tough as long as you can keep the battery connector on and you don't rip the antenna off, (or fold it over under thrust) you should get your bird back. I even darted one a few years back which only loosened one of the components and Greg fixed it for free. It was the radio and antenna combo I was using that gave me so much trouble. Once Fred sent me out with his rig I was back in ten minutes with the rocket. Mike F. In a message dated 7/27/2009 9:21:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: Mike. Let me recap your event. 200+g's Mach 2+ 72" motor, burn out @ 0.5 sec The happy little tracker will have ripped a "i'm idle" hole in your rocket and will be sitting happy on the pad. If it does leave with the rocket, youl'll have a nice "some assembly required" kit waiting for you. Just kidding. Shear those surface mount components. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) > Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use > solely > for rocket tracking. My next purchase is an antenna. I'm looking at the > arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I > should > stick with less elements for ease of use. Anybody who has some experience > in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. > > Thanks, > Mike F. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From tom.walsh at intel.com Tue Jul 28 21:37:45 2009 From: tom.walsh at intel.com (Walsh, Tom) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:37:45 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Clipping the rig to the belt is sweet. The Yaesu FT-530 combined with the display-speaker-mic allows you to see the S-Meter without even having to lift the rig off the belt. I really like that on long hunts in the sage. -T -----Original Message----- From: Azinger, Fred Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:40 AM To: Walsh, Tom; Mfreptiles at aol.com; bigredbee at gmail.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) I sent Mike out with my VX-5 and a 7-element Yagi from Arrow that I had Mike Moore tune for 430Mhz.... I must say I was stunned when he came back so quick - my first thought was that he had a radio problem and was back for help, not that he had the rocket already! The 7-element is big, but when chasing a lost rocket I want the performance.... Last launch I was swinging in the sage for about 6 hours total and boy that got heavy. A cable between the antenna and radio are a necessity...that radio gets heavy fast. Also to help free your hands is the remote mic/speaker. Allows you to clip the radio on your belt and clip the mic to your lapel. You don't need to look at the radio till you get a signal. Unless you want to break down your antenna, use a touch of thread locker on the Arrow antenna -- they rattle loose in my van. Just use a little as you don't want the thread locker to insulate the parts from each other. FredA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Walsh, Tom Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:18 PM To: Mfreptiles at aol.com; bigredbee at gmail.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) Just for clarification, the 50 ohms is only at 70cm. The antenna (and many others) will read a dead short at DC (i.e. with a VOM). More directionality isn't necessarily better. There are a few details left out of the discussion - like maximum side-lobe levels and so on. The upshot is that a smaller antenna (fewer elements) might work better for you. I use the homebuilt one Greg mentioned. Works great. Love to be able to read the S-Meter while holding the antenna over my head, so need a little coax there. Take care, -Tom -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:04 PM To: bigredbee at gmail.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas (help) I made one of the homebuilt versions and I don't think it is anywhere near as good as the arrow antennas. Maybe I did something wrong, but instead of mine being ~50 ohms, it only reads about 0.3 ohms. It works, but not very good. You commented on it a few years ago and said that I could kill an elephant with it. :) That's another thing I'd like to do is get a lighter one. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't a trade off regarding range. I like directionality, so I'll probably get the 7 element. It will still be lighter than the "elephant killer". :) Thanks for the input. Mike F. In a message dated 7/27/2009 9:18:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bigredbee at gmail.com writes: Nice price! Tradeoff is more elements == more directionality == less ease of use. Many of "us" use this 6 element homebrew design, I wouldn't want to go much longer, and I find the 2'+ boom very manageable. I think Arrow has a 5 element design that's about the same size, and a 7 element one that's longer. I'm thinking of buying the longer one even though I just recommended against it ;) _http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html_ (http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html) Just make sure that you have a good way of connecting the radio to the antenna that makes it very easy to use. Some people attach the radio directly to the boom. I like a short cable that allows them to be separated by 1' or so of cable so I can hold the radio closer to my eyes and ears while rotating the antenna. -- Greg K7RKT On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:49 PM, <_Mfreptiles at aol.com_ (mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com) > wrote: Well I finally scored a VX-177 new in box for $80 that I plan to use solely for rocket tracking. My next purchase is an antenna. I'm looking at the arrow antennas and was wondering if more elements are better or if I should stick with less elements for ease of use. Anybody who has some experience in this, please feel free to chime in about the pros and cons. Thanks, Mike F. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list _Rockets at rocketsnw.com_ (mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com) _http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets_ (http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets) _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jhadv at pacifier.com Tue Jul 28 21:42:24 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18954.76.105.138.130.1248842544.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> If all one want is tracking (no telemetry. no GPS position reports, etc>) then Walson is the best gear out there. Smallest size, lightest weight, longest range, practically indestructible. I can personally verify that it transmits a readable signal from 26" under ground after having suffered an approximately 8,300 G deceleration upon auguring in. Doesn't mean I wouldn't run a GPS enabled unit also but for the function of finding an adverse performing rocket I am not aware of anything that is as cost effective, reliable and robust as a Walston. Better frequency. The physics are just better. Longer waves. Minimal attenuation by water, dirt, aluminum, phenolic or pretty much anything else besides graphite. From fred.azinger at intel.com Wed Jul 29 11:11:26 2009 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:11:26 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas In-Reply-To: <18954.76.105.138.130.1248842544.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> References: <18954.76.105.138.130.1248842544.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Message-ID: Walstons are nice -- but you pay in many ways.... The receivers are really expensive and single-use. The transmitters are modestly expensive. There is a long lead time to purchase a fixed-frequency unit -- I've experienced a frequency overlap with my rocket and another during a night launch and it forced serial recovery of the rockets. Plus.... I really leverage the advantage of carrying only one radio. I can use my VX-5 to talk to the LCO on FRS channels - assuming the LCO has a radio. And, more importantly to me, I can talk to my search team and back to camp since we all have radios and are all listening to the same beeline frequency, we all just talk over the tracking channel....using proper ham etiquette of course. I guess if you regularly auger-in, you might want a Walston. I did break my beelines (plural) at the last launch, but I forgot the bubble pack and found that paper towels is not a proper substitute... Of course I got great support -- The King Bee Keeper (Greg) was camped right next to me -- get that from any other vendor. FredA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of jhadv at pacifier.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:42 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas If all one want is tracking (no telemetry. no GPS position reports, etc>) then Walson is the best gear out there. Smallest size, lightest weight, longest range, practically indestructible. I can personally verify that it transmits a readable signal from 26" under ground after having suffered an approximately 8,300 G deceleration upon auguring in. Doesn't mean I wouldn't run a GPS enabled unit also but for the function of finding an adverse performing rocket I am not aware of anything that is as cost effective, reliable and robust as a Walston. Better frequency. The physics are just better. Longer waves. Minimal attenuation by water, dirt, aluminum, phenolic or pretty much anything else besides graphite. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Wed Jul 29 12:04:18 2009 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:04:18 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas In-Reply-To: References: <18954.76.105.138.130.1248842544.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <4A709D32.3080607@hawkfeather.com> The Walston's legality is also questionable, along with Rocket Hunter since they both use 219 MHz. That band is reserved first for maritime telecommunications, and secondarily for both Ham (fixed stations, digital forwarding, above Novice) and ocean buoy & wildlife telemetry. Adept & Beeline both use the 70cm Ham band and require a Ham license. Your friendly frequency cop, Andrew. Azinger, Fred wrote: > Walstons are nice -- but you pay in many ways.... > The receivers are really expensive and single-use. > The transmitters are modestly expensive. > There is a long lead time to purchase a fixed-frequency unit -- I've experienced a frequency overlap with my rocket and another during a night launch and it forced serial recovery of the rockets. > > Plus.... > I really leverage the advantage of carrying only one radio. > I can use my VX-5 to talk to the LCO on FRS channels - assuming the LCO has a radio. > And, more importantly to me, I can talk to my search team and back to camp since we all have radios and are all listening to the same beeline frequency, we all just talk over the tracking channel....using proper ham etiquette of course. > > I guess if you regularly auger-in, you might want a Walston. > I did break my beelines (plural) at the last launch, but I forgot the bubble pack and found that paper towels is not a proper substitute... > Of course I got great support -- The King Bee Keeper (Greg) was camped right next to me -- get that from any other vendor. > > FredA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jhadv at pacifier.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:42 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas > > If all one want is tracking (no telemetry. no GPS position reports, etc>) > then Walson is the best gear out there. Smallest size, lightest weight, > longest range, practically indestructible. I can personally verify that > it transmits a readable signal from 26" under ground after having suffered > an approximately 8,300 G deceleration upon auguring in. Doesn't mean I > wouldn't run a GPS enabled unit also but for the function of finding an > adverse performing rocket I am not aware of anything that is as cost > effective, reliable and robust as a Walston. Better frequency. The > physics are just better. Longer waves. Minimal attenuation by water, > dirt, aluminum, phenolic or pretty much anything else besides graphite. From tom.walsh at intel.com Wed Jul 29 12:22:14 2009 From: tom.walsh at intel.com (Walsh, Tom) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:22:14 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas In-Reply-To: <4A709D32.3080607@hawkfeather.com> References: <18954.76.105.138.130.1248842544.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> <4A709D32.3080607@hawkfeather.com> Message-ID: And in terms of range, I've personally run range tests with the BL 70cm beacon and got a good DF heading from >20 miles out - on a unit that ran for 7 days at that power level. $.02, but I'd stick with the simple inexpensive and multi-purpose stuff Greg's come up with. I sure do want my 220 band back too... That ACSSB vendor went TU long ago, and that was the original justification for stealing a really interesting band. -Tom -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:04 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas The Walston's legality is also questionable, along with Rocket Hunter since they both use 219 MHz. That band is reserved first for maritime telecommunications, and secondarily for both Ham (fixed stations, digital forwarding, above Novice) and ocean buoy & wildlife telemetry. Adept & Beeline both use the 70cm Ham band and require a Ham license. Your friendly frequency cop, Andrew. Azinger, Fred wrote: > Walstons are nice -- but you pay in many ways.... > The receivers are really expensive and single-use. > The transmitters are modestly expensive. > There is a long lead time to purchase a fixed-frequency unit -- I've experienced a frequency overlap with my rocket and another during a night launch and it forced serial recovery of the rockets. > > Plus.... > I really leverage the advantage of carrying only one radio. > I can use my VX-5 to talk to the LCO on FRS channels - assuming the LCO has a radio. > And, more importantly to me, I can talk to my search team and back to camp since we all have radios and are all listening to the same beeline frequency, we all just talk over the tracking channel....using proper ham etiquette of course. > > I guess if you regularly auger-in, you might want a Walston. > I did break my beelines (plural) at the last launch, but I forgot the bubble pack and found that paper towels is not a proper substitute... > Of course I got great support -- The King Bee Keeper (Greg) was camped right next to me -- get that from any other vendor. > > FredA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jhadv at pacifier.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:42 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Tracking antennas > > If all one want is tracking (no telemetry. no GPS position reports, etc>) > then Walson is the best gear out there. Smallest size, lightest weight, > longest range, practically indestructible. I can personally verify that > it transmits a readable signal from 26" under ground after having suffered > an approximately 8,300 G deceleration upon auguring in. Doesn't mean I > wouldn't run a GPS enabled unit also but for the function of finding an > adverse performing rocket I am not aware of anything that is as cost > effective, reliable and robust as a Walston. Better frequency. The > physics are just better. Longer waves. Minimal attenuation by water, > dirt, aluminum, phenolic or pretty much anything else besides graphite. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jhadv at pacifier.com Wed Jul 29 19:54:21 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracing antennas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49179.209.253.79.135.1248922461.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> "I guess if you regularly auger-in, you might want a Walston." Well there is that. Happened to me twice. So now I build for it. Just in case. I house the electronics in Al. Survivable. Kind of like a flight recorder on an airplane. Also like I said in my original post, if the sole function of the devive is tracking on problem flights then Walston's are very good units. I did qualify my statement by saying non-performing flights or something to that effect. They do nothing else. Just a beacon. But a very good beacon. From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 20:41:45 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:41:45 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracing antennas References: <49179.209.253.79.135.1248922461.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <74430A98930F44E7AE72AB587738FC2B@LaptopKrausert> This might be cheaper Buy 2lbs beef liver. Place on roof for two days, not cooled Lather decayed liver on rocket. Come to launch w/ unfeed doggie (um a park down wind) Give dog a nose full. Rack and fly rocket. Release dog... ... ... Either you'll get both dog and rocket back. Or there'll be returning dog licking its chops. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Tracing antennas > "I guess if you regularly auger-in, you might want a Walston." > > Well there is that. Happened to me twice. So now I build for it. Just > in case. I house the electronics in Al. Survivable. Kind of like a > flight recorder on an airplane. Also like I said in my original post, if > the sole function of the devive is tracking on problem flights then > Walston's are very good units. I did qualify my statement by saying > non-performing flights or something to that effect. They do nothing else. > Just a beacon. But a very good beacon. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From sb at berfield.com Wed Jul 29 22:15:55 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:15:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tracing antennas In-Reply-To: <74430A98930F44E7AE72AB587738FC2B@LaptopKrausert> References: <49179.209.253.79.135.1248922461.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> <74430A98930F44E7AE72AB587738FC2B@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <18C65A21-0828-4D33-B030-BE5034B121A1@berfield.com> In my experience, you don't want to ever indicate that a rocket is chewable. Do't ask :( Sent from my iPod On Jul 29, 2009, at 8:41 PM, "Robert Krausert" wrote: > This might be cheaper > > Buy 2lbs beef liver. > Place on roof for two days, not cooled > Lather decayed liver on rocket. > Come to launch w/ unfeed doggie (um a park down wind) > Give dog a nose full. > Rack and fly rocket. > Release dog... > ... > ... > Either you'll get both dog and rocket back. Or there'll be returning > dog > licking its chops. > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Tracing antennas > > >> "I guess if you regularly auger-in, you might want a Walston." >> >> Well there is that. Happened to me twice. So now I build for it. >> Just >> in case. I house the electronics in Al. Survivable. Kind of like a >> flight recorder on an airplane. Also like I said in my original >> post, if >> the sole function of the devive is tracking on problem flights then >> Walston's are very good units. I did qualify my statement by saying >> non-performing flights or something to that effect. They do >> nothing else. >> Just a beacon. But a very good beacon. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Thu Jul 30 08:13:15 2009 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:13:15 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] nice local article Message-ID: <4A71B88B.1040506@hawkfeather.com> http://www.gateline.com/104/story/4734.html Now I've got the warm fuzzies, or is it the heat? Andrew. From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Thu Jul 30 08:14:08 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:14:08 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Summer Thunder Launch roundup In-Reply-To: References: <4A6C5BD5.7090608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4A71B8C0.8080109@earthlink.net> (Sorry to take so long to get this email out. Work has been kind of crazy.) I want to thank everyone for coming out to the Summer Thunder launch this past Sunday. We had about 20 fliers show up including a couple of spectators. The north field was being used for the Crossfire soccer tournament so launch operations were conducted on the south field. Winds were light out of the north and picked up a bit in the afternoon. We had 75 flights flown including two two-stage flights and one two-engine cluster flight. Motor usage statistics: A - 9 B - 28 C - 27 D - 8 E - 3 F - 3 Two competitors faced off in the Boost Glide competition sponsored by Roadside Hobbies - Robert Nech (myself) and Greg Wilson. We both flew Quest Flat Cats in the B motor category. Round One Robert N. - 19.51 secs. Greg W. - 9.82 secs Round Two Robert N. - 26.7 secs Greg W. - 24.81 secs Round Three Robert N. - no flight Greg W. - 7.42 secs Even though I lost my Flat Cat by landing it in a horse pasture (with a couple of horses) on the second round I was awarded the winner of the competition by Roadside hobbies with an Estes Black Brant II. Thanks! I won a spot landing prize last month making this two in a row. The next contest will be egg loft duration sponsored again by Roadside Hobbies . More details to come. The more memorable flights I recall were an F-powered Honest John, an Interceptor-E flight, an Estes Patriot on a composite E motor, an Estes Death Star, and an Estes Snapshot flown many times until the shock cord broke. The camera separated and received some damage but it looks like it will fly again. There were some rockets lost landing outside of the park and, also, to a couple of separations and core samples A new face to the launch, Todd Leighton, brought his two children along with both putting in a number of flights. His daughter, Sienna, even became the LCO for several flights and did a great job! Several other new fliers showed up to the launch after finding out about it from flyers distributed at several hobby shops. I'd like to thank them for coming out and flying with us and hope to see you back again. Flying ended a little after 6:00pm with everyone departing for home. The next launch, dubbed SolarFest, is tentatively scheduled for 16 August 2009 at 60 Acres Park. This is the weekend for OROC's Desert Heat launch in Brothers, OR and WAC's Research Launch in Mansfield, WA. If people prefer I can move SolarFest to the following Sunday on the 23rd. This is all contingent on the soccer game schedule and if the LWYSA starts moving earth on the south field in August. If you have any questions please email me or call. Best regards, Robert Nech tel: 206.371.0907 P.S. Even though Puget Sound Propulsion could not make it out to the launch due to other commitments PSP was able to send motor cases and reloads for sale by Roadside Hobbies. I'd like to thank both for making that happen and look forward to seeing PSP at the next launch! P.P.S. If anyone has a photos of the launch they'd like posted please send them to me and I'll get it taken care of. patrick (urban cheese records) wrote: > Thanks for organizing this Robert. We had a really fun time down > there. Hope to see you next month. > > -Pat, Henry & John > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" > > To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:36 AM > Subject: [RocketsNW] Summer Thunder Launch today > > >> Today is the Summer Thunder launch at 60 Acres Park in Redmond that >> starts at 10:00AM. It's going to be slightly on the warm side today so >> bring plenty of water and sunscreen (and an Easy Up for shade). With >> the heat brings thermals that hopefully will help rocketeers >> participating in the BG competition sponsored by Roadside Hobbies (and >> on-site launch vendor). I'm bringing a Quest Flat Cat for the B >> category. >> >> If you have any questions please call me at the phone number below. >> >> I look forward to see you there! >> >> >> Robert Nech >> tel:206.371.0907 >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > From greg at blastzone.com Thu Jul 30 12:17:38 2009 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:17:38 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! Message-ID: <087e01ca114a$66ffe960$34ffbc20$@com> Just an FYI, with the crazy heat here in the NW, our datacenter is having a hard time keeping things cool, and we've had a few servers getting flaky with heat related failures. I just got back from the DC after moving some servers around so there's airspace between them all which will hopefully make things a little better. The mail server was down for a while today, but everything is now back online. To put things in perspective, the air temperature on the roof of the DC in Tacoma hit 117 degrees yesterday. It was 108 at my house in Bonney Lake. We're just not setup to cope well with those temperatures. Wee fun! Greg From clappfamily at comcast.net Thu Jul 30 13:01:43 2009 From: clappfamily at comcast.net (clappfamily at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! In-Reply-To: <087e01ca114a$66ffe960$34ffbc20$@com> Message-ID: <764842666.7363831248984103537.JavaMail.root@sz0014a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> We had a similar problem here in Portland.?? The A/C in the office building we are in has been in Alarm Mode for several days.?? Yesterday morning it lost a pump and that caused all the A/C units that connect to it overheat and fail.?? The Hi-Temp switched failed on many of them and they've been running around replacing those.?? I'm still waiting??for a replacement for the A/C unit cooling my??server room. I'm glad it's getting cooler! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Deputy" To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:17:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! Just an FYI, with the crazy heat here in the NW, our datacenter is having a hard time keeping things cool, and we've had a few servers getting flaky with heat related failures. ??I just got back from the DC after moving some servers around so there's airspace between them all which will hopefully make things a little better. ??The mail server was down for a while today, but everything is now back online. ?? To put things in perspective, the air temperature on the roof of the DC in Tacoma hit 117 degrees yesterday. ??It was 108 at my house in Bonney Lake. We're just not setup to cope well with those temperatures. ??Wee fun! Greg _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ???? -------------- next part -------------- We had a similar problem here in Portland.? The A/C in the office building we are in has been in Alarm Mode for several days.? Yesterday morning it lost a pump and that caused all the A/C units that connect to it overheat and fail.? The Hi-Temp switched failed on many of them and they've been running around replacing those.? I'm still waiting?for a replacement for the A/C unit cooling my?server room. ? I'm glad it's getting cooler! ? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Deputy" To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:17:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! Just an FYI, with the crazy heat here in the NW, our datacenter is having a hard time keeping things cool, and we've had a few servers getting flaky with heat related failures. ?I just got back from the DC after moving some servers around so there's airspace between them all which will hopefully make things a little better. ?The mail server was down for a while today, but everything is now back online. ? To put things in perspective, the air temperature on the roof of the DC in Tacoma hit 117 degrees yesterday. ?It was 108 at my house in Bonney Lake. We're just not setup to cope well with those temperatures. ?Wee fun! Greg _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ?? From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 13:08:21 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:08:21 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] nice local article References: <4A71B88B.1040506@hawkfeather.com> Message-ID: <92F21A0D72AE4A2D8A2C36A416171A7E@LaptopKrausert> Andrew, Thank you for sharing. I laughed more than once from the kids comments. Also, I know of a few local schools that need to read this article. BTW, my favorite comment came from Juliann. LOL. "Make sure the nose cone is loose," Juliann Dorny said. "If it isn't, the parachute can't come out and float slowly down, and the rocket will explode." Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew MacMillen" To: "NorthWest Rocketry" Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: [RocketsNW] nice local article > http://www.gateline.com/104/story/4734.html > > Now I've got the warm fuzzies, or is it the heat? > > Andrew. > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From scott at scottsrockets.com Thu Jul 30 13:19:10 2009 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:19:10 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! In-Reply-To: <764842666.7363831248984103537.JavaMail.root@sz0014a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <087e01ca114a$66ffe960$34ffbc20$@com> <764842666.7363831248984103537.JavaMail.root@sz0014a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <72DB341F60A949F7B1EAB1264F77D0E1@Mobile2> Who would have thought we would be hoping for upper 80's......... Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of clappfamily at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:02 PM To: Greg Deputy Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Heat! We had a similar problem here in Portland.? The A/C in the office building we are in has been in Alarm Mode for several days.? Yesterday morning it lost a pump and that caused all the A/C units that connect to it overheat and fail.? The Hi-Temp switched failed on many of them and they've been running around replacing those.? I'm still waiting?for a replacement for the A/C unit cooling my?server room. I'm glad it's getting cooler! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Deputy" To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:17:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! Just an FYI, with the crazy heat here in the NW, our datacenter is having a hard time keeping things cool, and we've had a few servers getting flaky with heat related failures. ?I just got back from the DC after moving some servers around so there's airspace between them all which will hopefully make things a little better. ?The mail server was down for a while today, but everything is now back online. ? To put things in perspective, the air temperature on the roof of the DC in Tacoma hit 117 degrees yesterday. ?It was 108 at my house in Bonney Lake. We're just not setup to cope well with those temperatures. ?Wee fun! Greg _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ?? From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 14:09:22 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:09:22 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry Meeting Agenda August 6th 2009 Message-ID: The next Oregon Rocketry club meeting will be held at 7:30 pm on August 6th 2009. Meeting place is the back room of Giovanni's in Beaverton, Oregon. Where: Giovanni's [ Map ] 12390 SW Broadway: corner of Broadway and Hall Blvd in downtown Beaverton, Oregon 97005 Agenda: 7:30 : Welcome New Members 7:35 : Memorial Park Launch @ Wilsonville August 9th [Krausert] 7:40 : Desert Heat Launch Results [Krausert/Goncher] 7:45 : Desert EXtreme Launch Plans / Readiness [Krausert] 7:50 : Sheridan Launch Readiness / includes the members only day [Krausert] 7:55 : Club Finances [Moscoe] 8:00 : Trailer / GSE Trailer Party August 22nd [G. Moscoe] 8:05 : Proposal; OROC 'Make a Wish' Foundation Fundraiser Auction in November [Krausert] Members and Vendors, the proposal is to hold an auction in the Intel Jones Farm Conference center, located in Hillsboro. The pupose would be to raise money that would be donated to the local chapter of Make A Wish foundation. The proposal would be to hold the event in November. Join us at the meeting to discuss and share ideas. I certainly hope you can make the meeting. Take a break from your busy schedule and join us Thursday August 6th at 7:30pm for some fun and rocket talk. Come early for dinner. Officers, try to arrive by 7:00pm if you have anything you'd like to discuss prior to the club meeting. Cheers, Robert OregonRocketry President -------------- next part -------------- The next Oregon Rocketry club meeting will be held at 7:30 pm on August 6th 2009. Meeting place is the back room of Giovanni's in Beaverton, Oregon. Where: Giovanni's [ Map ] 12390 SW Broadway: corner of Broadway and Hall Blvd in downtown Beaverton, Oregon 97005 Agenda: 7:30 : Welcome New Members 7:35 : Memorial Park Launch @ Wilsonville August 9th [Krausert] 7:40 : Desert Heat Launch Results [Krausert/Goncher] 7:45 : Desert EXtreme Launch Plans / Readiness [Krausert] 7:50 : Sheridan Launch Readiness / includes the members only day [Krausert] 7:55 : Club Finances [Moscoe] 8:00 :?Trailer / GSE?Trailer Party August 22nd?[G. Moscoe] 8:05 :?Proposal; OROC 'Make a Wish' Foundation Fundraiser Auction in November?[Krausert] Members and Vendors, the proposal is to hold an auction in the Intel Jones Farm Conference center, located in Hillsboro. The pupose would be to raise money that would be donated to the local chapter of Make A Wish foundation. The proposal would be to hold the event in November. Join us at the meeting to discuss and share ideas.? I certainly hope you can make the meeting. Take a break from your busy schedule and join us Thursday August 6th?at 7:30pm for some fun and rocket talk. Come early for dinner. Officers, try to arrive by 7:00pm if you have anything you'd like to discuss prior to the club meeting. Cheers, Robert OregonRocketry President From kent.newman at comcast.net Thu Jul 30 14:46:52 2009 From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:46:52 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting Message-ID: <000e01ca115f$408df190$c1a9d4b0$@newman@comcast.net> Salutations, all! The August meeting of Washington Aerospace will be held this Saturday, August 1st, at 7:00 p.m. at Peace Lutheran Church in Puyallup. Agenda items include: * September launch planning/naming of Launch Director * Discussion of staged rocket design * September club meeting with Chris Holden * 60 Acres launch events * General discussion See you there! Regards, Kent Newman -------------- next part -------------- Salutations, all! ? The August meeting of Washington Aerospace will be held this Saturday, August 1 st , at 7:00 p.m. at Peace Lutheran Church in Puyallup. ? Agenda items include: ? September launch planning/naming of Launch Director Discussion of staged rocket design September club meeting with Chris Holden 60 Acres launch events General discussion ? See you there! ? Regards, ? Kent Newman From appusher at q.com Thu Jul 30 14:48:27 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:48:27 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! In-Reply-To: <087e01ca114a$66ffe960$34ffbc20$@com> References: <087e01ca114a$66ffe960$34ffbc20$@com> Message-ID: Growing up in the desert, I was hoping for 110 F in the shade. OH....wait......that's why I moved here for the cooler weather. Hmmmm... EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: greg at blastzone.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:17:38 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! > > Just an FYI, with the crazy heat here in the NW, our datacenter is having a > hard time keeping things cool, and we've had a few servers getting flaky > with heat related failures. I just got back from the DC after moving some > servers around so there's airspace between them all which will hopefully > make things a little better. The mail server was down for a while today, > but everything is now back online. > > To put things in perspective, the air temperature on the roof of the DC in > Tacoma hit 117 degrees yesterday. It was 108 at my house in Bonney Lake. > We're just not setup to cope well with those temperatures. Wee fun! > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -------------- next part -------------- Growing up in the desert, I was hoping for 110 F in the shade.? ? OH....wait......that's why I moved here for the cooler weather.? Hmmmm... http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ? > From: greg at blastzone.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:17:38 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! > > Just an FYI, with the crazy heat here in the NW, our datacenter is having a > hard time keeping things cool, and we've had a few servers getting flaky > with heat related failures. I just got back from the DC after moving some > servers around so there's airspace between them all which will hopefully > make things a little better. The mail server was down for a while today, > but everything is now back online. > > To put things in perspective, the air temperature on the roof of the DC in > Tacoma hit 117 degrees yesterday. It was 108 at my house in Bonney Lake. > We're just not setup to cope well with those temperatures. Wee fun! > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Thu Jul 30 19:55:38 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! In-Reply-To: <72DB341F60A949F7B1EAB1264F77D0E1@Mobile2> References: <087e01ca114a$66ffe960$34ffbc20$@com> <764842666.7363831248984103537.JavaMail.root@sz0014a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <72DB341F60A949F7B1EAB1264F77D0E1@Mobile2> Message-ID: I've been enjoying the heat. These are the days I was dreaming of last winter when there was two freakin' feet of snow on the ground. Of course, not having to work in the heat may alter my perceptions somewhat. +McG+ > Who would have thought we would be hoping for upper 80's......... > > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of clappfamily at comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:02 PM > To: Greg Deputy > Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Heat! > > > > We had a similar problem here in Portland.? The A/C in the office building > we are in has been in Alarm Mode for several days.? Yesterday morning it > lost a pump and that caused all the A/C units that connect to it overheat > and fail.? The Hi-Temp switched failed on many of them and they've been > running around replacing those.? I'm still waiting?for a replacement for > the > A/C unit cooling my?server room. > > > > I'm glad it's getting cooler! > > > > Rick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Deputy" > To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:17:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! > > Just an FYI, with the crazy heat here in the NW, our datacenter is having > a > hard time keeping things cool, and we've had a few servers getting flaky > with heat related failures. ?I just got back from the DC after moving some > servers around so there's airspace between them all which will hopefully > make things a little better. ?The mail server was down for a while today, > but everything is now back online. ? > > To put things in perspective, the air temperature on the roof of the DC in > Tacoma hit 117 degrees yesterday. ?It was 108 at my house in Bonney Lake. > We're just not setup to cope well with those temperatures. ?Wee fun! > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > ?? > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From sb at berfield.com Thu Jul 30 22:05:30 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:05:30 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! In-Reply-To: References: <087e01ca114a$66ffe960$34ffbc20$@com> <764842666.7363831248984103537.JavaMail.root@sz0014a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <72DB341F60A949F7B1EAB1264F77D0E1@Mobile2> Message-ID: When I moved up here, they told me "it never really snows and the summers are really mild". Hmm. Three feet of snow and 103. Sent from my iPod On Jul 30, 2009, at 7:55 PM, kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: > I've been enjoying the heat. These are the days I was dreaming of > last > winter when there was two freakin' feet of snow on the ground. > > Of course, not having to work in the heat may alter my perceptions > somewhat. > +McG+ > > >> Who would have thought we would be hoping for upper 80's......... >> >> >> Scott T. Bowers >> www.scottsrockets.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets- >> bounces at rocketsnw.com] >> On Behalf Of clappfamily at comcast.net >> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:02 PM >> To: Greg Deputy >> Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Heat! >> >> >> >> We had a similar problem here in Portland. The A/C in the office >> building >> we are in has been in Alarm Mode for several days. Yesterday >> morning it >> lost a pump and that caused all the A/C units that connect to it >> overheat >> and fail. The Hi-Temp switched failed on many of them and they've >> been >> running around replacing those. I'm still waiting for a >> replacement for >> the >> A/C unit cooling my server room. >> >> >> >> I'm glad it's getting cooler! >> >> >> >> Rick >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Greg Deputy" >> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" >> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:17:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! >> >> Just an FYI, with the crazy heat here in the NW, our datacenter is >> having >> a >> hard time keeping things cool, and we've had a few servers getting >> flaky >> with heat related failures. I just got back from the DC after >> moving some >> servers around so there's airspace between them all which will >> hopefully >> make things a little better. The mail server was down for a while >> today, >> but everything is now back online. >> >> To put things in perspective, the air temperature on the roof of >> the DC in >> Tacoma hit 117 degrees yesterday. It was 108 at my house in Bonney >> Lake. >> We're just not setup to cope well with those temperatures. Wee fun! >> >> Greg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From bigredbee at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 22:07:27 2009 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:07:27 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! In-Reply-To: References: <087e01ca114a$66ffe960$34ffbc20$@com> <764842666.7363831248984103537.JavaMail.root@sz0014a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <72DB341F60A949F7B1EAB1264F77D0E1@Mobile2> Message-ID: we tell that to all of the people that move here. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Scott Berfield wrote: > When I moved up here, they told me "it never really snows and the > summers are really mild". Hmm. Three feet of snow and 103. > > Sent from my iPod > > On Jul 30, 2009, at 7:55 PM, kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: > > > I've been enjoying the heat. These are the days I was dreaming of > > last > > winter when there was two freakin' feet of snow on the ground. > > > > Of course, not having to work in the heat may alter my perceptions > > somewhat. > > +McG+ > > > > > >> Who would have thought we would be hoping for upper 80's......... > >> > >> > >> Scott T. Bowers > >> www.scottsrockets.com > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets- > >> bounces at rocketsnw.com] > >> On Behalf Of clappfamily at comcast.net > >> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:02 PM > >> To: Greg Deputy > >> Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Heat! > >> > >> > >> > >> We had a similar problem here in Portland. The A/C in the office > >> building > >> we are in has been in Alarm Mode for several days. Yesterday > >> morning it > >> lost a pump and that caused all the A/C units that connect to it > >> overheat > >> and fail. The Hi-Temp switched failed on many of them and they've > >> been > >> running around replacing those. I'm still waiting for a > >> replacement for > >> the > >> A/C unit cooling my server room. > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm glad it's getting cooler! > >> > >> > >> > >> Rick > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Greg Deputy" > >> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" > >> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:17:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! > >> > >> Just an FYI, with the crazy heat here in the NW, our datacenter is > >> having > >> a > >> hard time keeping things cool, and we've had a few servers getting > >> flaky > >> with heat related failures. I just got back from the DC after > >> moving some > >> servers around so there's airspace between them all which will > >> hopefully > >> make things a little better. The mail server was down for a while > >> today, > >> but everything is now back online. > >> > >> To put things in perspective, the air temperature on the roof of > >> the DC in > >> Tacoma hit 117 degrees yesterday. It was 108 at my house in Bonney > >> Lake. > >> We're just not setup to cope well with those temperatures. Wee fun! > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockets mailing list > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockets mailing list > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Scott Berfield < mailto:sb at berfield.com sb at berfield.com > wrote: When I moved up here, they told me "it never really snows and the summers are really mild". Hmm. Three feet of snow and 103. Sent from my iPod On Jul 30, 2009, at 7:55 PM, mailto:kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: > I've been enjoying the heat. ?These are the days I was dreaming of > last > winter when there was two freakin' feet of snow on the ground. > > Of course, not having to work in the heat may alter my perceptions > somewhat. > +McG+ > > >> Who would have thought we would be hoping for upper 80's......... >> >> >> Scott T. Bowers >> http://www.scottsrockets.com www.scottsrockets.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets- rockets- >> mailto:bounces at rocketsnw.com bounces at rocketsnw.com ] >> On Behalf Of mailto:clappfamily at comcast.net clappfamily at comcast.net >> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:02 PM >> To: Greg Deputy >> Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Heat! >> >> >> >> We had a similar problem here in Portland. ?The A/C in the office >> building >> we are in has been in Alarm Mode for several days. ?Yesterday >> morning it >> lost a pump and that caused all the A/C units that connect to it >> overheat >> and fail. ?The Hi-Temp switched failed on many of them and they've >> been >> running around replacing those. ?I'm still waiting for a >> replacement for >> the >> A/C unit cooling my server room. >> >> >> >> I'm glad it's getting cooler! >> >> >> >> Rick >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Greg Deputy" < mailto:greg at blastzone.com greg at blastzone.com > >> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > >> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:17:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! >> >> Just an FYI, with the crazy heat here in the NW, our datacenter is >> having >> a >> hard time keeping things cool, and we've had a few servers getting >> flaky >> with heat related failures. ?I just got back from the DC after >> moving some >> servers around so there's airspace between them all which will >> hopefully >> make things a little better. ?The mail server was down for a while >> today, >> but everything is now back online. >> >> To put things in perspective, the air temperature on the roof of >> the DC in >> Tacoma hit 117 degrees yesterday. ?It was 108 at my house in Bonney >> Lake. >> We're just not setup to cope well with those temperatures. ?Wee fun! >> >> Greg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From scott at scottsrockets.com Thu Jul 30 22:11:44 2009 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:11:44 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! In-Reply-To: References: <087e01ca114a$66ffe960$34ffbc20$@com><764842666.7363831248984103537.JavaMail.root@sz0014a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><72DB341F60A949F7B1EAB1264F77D0E1@Mobile2> Message-ID: <0CFC96C36BE24CDD8C91C90108DC262C@Mobile2> Suckered in another one. Now that you are here did we mention the 100 mph cold winds we get every now and then? Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:07 PM To: Scott Berfield Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Heat! we tell that to all of the people that move here. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Scott Berfield wrote: > When I moved up here, they told me "it never really snows and the > summers are really mild". Hmm. Three feet of snow and 103. > > Sent from my iPod > > On Jul 30, 2009, at 7:55 PM, kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: > > > I've been enjoying the heat. These are the days I was dreaming of > > last winter when there was two freakin' feet of snow on the ground. > > > > Of course, not having to work in the heat may alter my perceptions > > somewhat. > > +McG+ > > > > > >> Who would have thought we would be hoping for upper 80's......... > >> > >> > >> Scott T. Bowers > >> www.scottsrockets.com > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets- > >> bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of clappfamily at comcast.net > >> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:02 PM > >> To: Greg Deputy > >> Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Heat! > >> > >> > >> > >> We had a similar problem here in Portland. The A/C in the office > >> building we are in has been in Alarm Mode for several days. > >> Yesterday morning it lost a pump and that caused all the A/C units > >> that connect to it overheat and fail. The Hi-Temp switched failed > >> on many of them and they've been running around replacing those. > >> I'm still waiting for a replacement for the A/C unit cooling my > >> server room. > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm glad it's getting cooler! > >> > >> > >> > >> Rick > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Greg Deputy" > >> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" > >> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:17:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada > >> Central > >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! > >> > >> Just an FYI, with the crazy heat here in the NW, our datacenter is > >> having a hard time keeping things cool, and we've had a few servers > >> getting flaky with heat related failures. I just got back from the > >> DC after moving some servers around so there's airspace between > >> them all which will hopefully make things a little better. The > >> mail server was down for a while today, but everything is now back > >> online. > >> > >> To put things in perspective, the air temperature on the roof of > >> the DC in Tacoma hit 117 degrees yesterday. It was 108 at my house > >> in Bonney Lake. > >> We're just not setup to cope well with those temperatures. Wee fun! > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockets mailing list > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockets mailing list > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From terry at mooreread.com Fri Jul 31 12:53:09 2009 From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:53:09 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Gov't can't even keep track of their own explosives Message-ID: http://www.tri-cityherald.com/945/story/666879.html -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lukins & Annis, P.S. 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Any review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the recipient, and believe that you have received this in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received. Thank You! _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Fri Jul 31 18:42:37 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! In-Reply-To: References: <087e01ca114a$66ffe960$34ffbc20$@com> <764842666.7363831248984103537.JavaMail.root@sz0014a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <72DB341F60A949F7B1EAB1264F77D0E1@Mobile2> Message-ID: <9e10c9cc3b2aaf4755441f7b3a5b49bb.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Three feet of snow? You must've gotten the 'bonus pack'! +McG+ > When I moved up here, they told me "it never really snows and the > summers are really mild". Hmm. Three feet of snow and 103. > > Sent from my iPod > > On Jul 30, 2009, at 7:55 PM, kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: > >> I've been enjoying the heat. These are the days I was dreaming of >> last >> winter when there was two freakin' feet of snow on the ground. >> >> Of course, not having to work in the heat may alter my perceptions >> somewhat. >> +McG+ >> >> >>> Who would have thought we would be hoping for upper 80's......... >>> >>> >>> Scott T. Bowers >>> www.scottsrockets.com >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets- >>> bounces at rocketsnw.com] >>> On Behalf Of clappfamily at comcast.net >>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:02 PM >>> To: Greg Deputy >>> Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Heat! >>> >>> >>> >>> We had a similar problem here in Portland. The A/C in the office >>> building >>> we are in has been in Alarm Mode for several days. Yesterday >>> morning it >>> lost a pump and that caused all the A/C units that connect to it >>> overheat >>> and fail. The Hi-Temp switched failed on many of them and they've >>> been >>> running around replacing those. I'm still waiting for a >>> replacement for >>> the >>> A/C unit cooling my server room. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm glad it's getting cooler! >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Greg Deputy" >>> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" >>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:17:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! >>> >>> Just an FYI, with the crazy heat here in the NW, our datacenter is >>> having >>> a >>> hard time keeping things cool, and we've had a few servers getting >>> flaky >>> with heat related failures. I just got back from the DC after >>> moving some >>> servers around so there's airspace between them all which will >>> hopefully >>> make things a little better. The mail server was down for a while >>> today, >>> but everything is now back online. >>> >>> To put things in perspective, the air temperature on the roof of >>> the DC in >>> Tacoma hit 117 degrees yesterday. It was 108 at my house in Bonney >>> Lake. >>> We're just not setup to cope well with those temperatures. Wee fun! >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Fri Jul 31 18:50:50 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! In-Reply-To: <0CFC96C36BE24CDD8C91C90108DC262C@Mobile2> References: <087e01ca114a$66ffe960$34ffbc20$@com><764842666.7363831248984103537.JavaMail.root@sz0014a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><72DB341F60A949F7B1EAB1264F77D0E1@Mobile2> <0CFC96C36BE24CDD8C91C90108DC262C@Mobile2> Message-ID: <66d051b2e09d051a4c8ee7b79883ea2d.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> But we never tell them about the mold and mildew, how it grows on *everything*. We leave that for the newcomers to discover on their own, it so much increases the surprise............(Mold on my reload grains???!!! ) ;-) +McG+ > Suckered in another one. Now that you are here did we mention the 100 mph > cold winds we get every now and then? > > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Greg Clark > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:07 PM > To: Scott Berfield > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Heat! > > we tell that to all of the people that move here. > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Scott Berfield wrote: > >> When I moved up here, they told me "it never really snows and the >> summers are really mild". Hmm. Three feet of snow and 103. >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Jul 30, 2009, at 7:55 PM, kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: >> >> > I've been enjoying the heat. These are the days I was dreaming of >> > last winter when there was two freakin' feet of snow on the ground. >> > >> > Of course, not having to work in the heat may alter my perceptions >> > somewhat. >> > +McG+ >> > >> > >> >> Who would have thought we would be hoping for upper 80's......... >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott T. Bowers >> >> www.scottsrockets.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets- >> >> bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of clappfamily at comcast.net >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:02 PM >> >> To: Greg Deputy >> >> Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Heat! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We had a similar problem here in Portland. The A/C in the office >> >> building we are in has been in Alarm Mode for several days. >> >> Yesterday morning it lost a pump and that caused all the A/C units >> >> that connect to it overheat and fail. The Hi-Temp switched failed >> >> on many of them and they've been running around replacing those. >> >> I'm still waiting for a replacement for the A/C unit cooling my >> >> server room. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm glad it's getting cooler! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Greg Deputy" >> >> To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:17:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada >> >> Central >> >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! >> >> >> >> Just an FYI, with the crazy heat here in the NW, our datacenter is >> >> having a hard time keeping things cool, and we've had a few servers >> >> getting flaky with heat related failures. I just got back from the >> >> DC after moving some servers around so there's airspace between >> >> them all which will hopefully make things a little better. The >> >> mail server was down for a while today, but everything is now back >> >> online. >> >> >> >> To put things in perspective, the air temperature on the roof of >> >> the DC in Tacoma hit 117 degrees yesterday. It was 108 at my house >> >> in Bonney Lake. >> >> We're just not setup to cope well with those temperatures. Wee fun! >> >> >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Rockets mailing list >> >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Rockets mailing list >> >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockets mailing list >> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Fri Jul 31 19:16:14 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Gov't can't even keep track of their own explosives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2808a0538bf33b0237d53ceca33c3414.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Looks like the WSP was ready to stop felons fleeing in tanks! And Fish & Wildlife was prepared to blast some serious beaver dams. And the US Forest Service wants to be way, way the heck away when they use their 17 sticks of dynamite. ;-) Dunno about the "14 bags of rocket black powder." Could mean a lot of things. Obviously for scaring birds. That's quite a haul. Methinks they need a refresher course on the meaning of true security, stop thinking there's any wisdom in ATF regs. +McG+ > http://www.tri-cityherald.com/945/story/666879.html > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses > and dangerous content by Lukins & Annis, P.S. > > NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or > privileged material, and is intended solely > for use by the above referenced recipient. Any > review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- > bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. > > If you are not the recipient, and believe that > you have received this in error, please notify > the sender and delete the copy you received. > > Thank You! > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From brodwcjj at integrity.com Fri Jul 31 20:09:21 2009 From: brodwcjj at integrity.com (brodwcjj at integrity.com) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:09:21 -0500 Subject: [RocketsNW] Heat! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090731220921.15724s920v43rdwk@wm.integrity.com> Or how about the time the eastern Oregon basin was a pool of molten lava ? Those were the good old days ;-) dustin From: "Scott T Bowers" Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Heat! Suckered in another one. Now that you are here did we mention the 100 mph cold winds we get every now and then? Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com