From kent.newman at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 10:00:33 2009 From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:00:33 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting Message-ID: Happy New Year, rocket dudes and dudettes! The WAC meeting normally scheduled for the first Saturday of each month is postponed until January 10th for this first monthly meeting of 2009. The close proximity to New Year travel suggests that the postponement would benefit all. See you all on the 10th at 7:00 p.m. at Peace Lutheran Church in Puyallup. Regards, Kent Newman Washington Aerospace -------------- next part -------------- Happy New Year, rocket dudes and dudettes! ? The WAC meeting normally scheduled for the first Saturday of each month is postponed until January 10 th for this first monthly meeting of 2009. ? The close proximity to New Year travel suggests that the postponement would benefit all. ? See you all on the 10 th at 7:00 p.m. at Peace Lutheran Church in Puyallup . ? Regards, ? Kent Newman Washington Aerospace From jhadv at pacifier.com Thu Jan 1 12:47:10 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:47:10 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WaPo Row In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090101124057.038c7ea0@mail.iinet.com> "Maybe this article could be escalated to the NAR and TRA leadership level who can give the WaPo hell for being irresponsible with their words." It is to laugh. These guys are the same people who call BlackWater employees "contractors" instead of mercenaries. From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Jan 2 09:18:51 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:18:51 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX's Falcon 9 Launch Vehicle Now Fully Integrated Message-ID: <495E4C7B.6060007@earthlink.net> http://www.spacex.com/updates.php (pics at link; she's a real beauty!) FALCON 9 PROGRESS UPDATE *Tuesday, December 30th, 2008* Falcon 9 is now fully integrated at the Cape! Today we mated the 5.2 m payload fairing to the Falcon 9 first stage (see below). This was the final step in the integration process?one day ahead of schedule. With Falcon 9 integrated, our focus shifts to the big launch mount and erector. All the pieces have been delivered, and the coming days will see a tremendous amount of welding to join them all together. The long hours put in by the SpaceX team over the last several weeks, particularly the folks on the ground at the Cape, are certainly paying off. Once the launch mount and erector are complete, we'll transfer Falcon 9 on to the erector and raise it to vertical early in 2009. Happy New Year! From matjamison at aol.com Fri Jan 2 16:14:11 2009 From: matjamison at aol.com (matjamison at aol.com) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:14:11 -0500 Subject: [RocketsNW] MIT Opencourseware - Shuttle guidance lecture Message-ID: <8CB3B4F565CF75C-3B4-1A21@mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com> Hello, I ran across this fantastic video lecture by Dr. Philip Hattis covering the basic components and engineering of the Space Shuttles Flight Control and Guidance systems. Wish the volume was a bit louder but I'm sure you'll all agree it?s worth watching. Matt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OksC02Xqe7Q&feature=channel . . . -------------- next part -------------- Hello, I ran across this fantastic video lecture by Dr. Philip Hattis covering the basic components and engineering of the Space20Shuttles Flight Control and Guidance systems. Wish the volume was a bit louder but I'm sure you'll all agree it?s worth watching. Matt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OksC02Xqe7Q&feature=channel . . . Get a free MP3 every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. http://toolbar.aol.com/spinner/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000020 Get it Now . From Mfreptiles at aol.com Fri Jan 2 17:04:41 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:04:41 EST Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] New Devastator Rocket from Binder Design Message-ID: Binder Design is proud to announce the release of their newest rocket kit, the Devastator. This kit was designed by fellow high power rocketeer Bret Simpkins, who is also a real life nuclear rocket scientist. The Devastator is a military inspired design and resembles a cruise missile. With the US Air Force decals and radiation warning logos on the wings it looks like the real deal. Owner of Binder Design, Mike Fisher has been working with Bret Simpkins on several new exciting designs. According to Mike, "This new kit fits the Binder Design line up beautifully, and I'm very glad that Bret has decided to work with us on future designs". Mike adds, "Bret's designs are very detailed and sometimes so complex that it is a challenge to get them developed for mass production, but when I saw the Devastator design I knew I had to bring it to market". The Devastator is the fourth in the series of Fisher Premium Kits for Binder Design and comes with some impressive upgrades like machined motor retention, expanded premium decal package, premium parachute with swivel, pre-slotted airframe, and modular fin can assembly which allows the removal of the fin section to access internal fillets during the build. For more details on the Devastator, visit _http://binderdesign.com_ (http://binderdesign.com/) **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) -------------- next part -------------- ? Binder Design is proud to announce the release of their newest rocket kit, the Devastator.? This kit was designed by fellow high power rocketeer Bret Simpkins, who is also a real life nuclear rocket scientist.? The Devastator is a military inspired design and resembles a cruise missile.? With the US Air Force decals and radiation warning logos on the wings it looks like the real deal. ? Owner of Binder Design, Mike Fisher has been working with Bret Simpkins on several new exciting designs.? According to Mike, "This new kit fits the Binder Design line up beautifully, and I'm very glad that Bret has decided to work with us on future designs".? Mike adds, "Bret's designs are very detailed and sometimes so complex that it is a challenge to get them developed for mass production, but when I saw the Devastator design I knew I had to bring it to market". ? The Devastator is the fourth in the series of Fisher Premium Kits for Binder Design and comes with some impressive upgrades like machined motor retention, expanded premium decal package, premium parachute with swivel, pre-slotted airframe, and modular fin can assembly which allows the removal of the fin section to access internal fillets during the build. ? For more details on the Devastator, visit http://binderdesign.com/ http://binderdesign.com New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026 headlines . From donbrendarott at msn.com Fri Jan 2 18:01:19 2009 From: donbrendarott at msn.com (Donald and Brenda Harris) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:01:19 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] New Devastator Rocket from Binder Design In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nice looking bird Mike. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Mfreptiles at aol.com To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] New Devastator Rocket from Binder Design Binder Design is proud to announce the release of their newest rocket kit, the Devastator. This kit was designed by fellow high power rocketeer Bret Simpkins, who is also a real life nuclear rocket scientist. The Devastator is a military inspired design and resembles a cruise missile. With the US Air Force decals and radiation warning logos on the wings it looks like the real deal. Owner of Binder Design, Mike Fisher has been working with Bret Simpkins on several new exciting designs. According to Mike, "This new kit fits the Binder Design line up beautifully, and I'm very glad that Bret has decided to work with us on future designs". Mike adds, "Bret's designs are very detailed and sometimes so complex that it is a challenge to get them developed for mass production, but when I saw the Devastator design I knew I had to bring it to market". The Devastator is the fourth in the series of Fisher Premium Kits for Binder Design and comes with some impressive upgrades like machined motor retention, expanded premium decal package, premium parachute with swivel, pre-slotted airframe, and modular fin can assembly which allows the removal of the fin section to access internal fillets during the build. For more details on the Devastator, visit _http://binderdesign.com_ (http://binderdesign.com/) **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Nice looking bird Mike. ? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:Mfreptiles at aol.com Mfreptiles at aol.com To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] New Devastator Rocket from Binder Design Binder Design is proud to announce the release of their newest rocket kit,? the Devastator.? This kit was designed by fellow high power rocketeer Bret? Simpkins, who is also a real life nuclear rocket scientist.? The Devastator? is a military inspired design and resembles a cruise missile.? With the US? Air Force decals and radiation warning logos on the wings it looks like the real? deal. ? Owner of Binder Design, Mike Fisher has been working with Bret Simpkins on? several new exciting designs.? According to Mike, "This new kit fits the? Binder Design line up beautifully, and I'm very glad that Bret has decided to? work with us on future designs".? Mike adds, "Bret's designs are very? detailed and sometimes so complex that it is a challenge to get them developed? for mass production, but when I saw the Devastator design I knew I had to bring? it to market". ? The Devastator is the fourth in the series of Fisher Premium Kits for? Binder Design and comes with some impressive upgrades like machined motor? retention, expanded premium decal package, premium parachute with swivel,? pre-slotted airframe, and modular fin can assembly which allows the removal of? the fin section to access internal fillets during the build. ? For more details on the Devastator, visit _http://binderdesign.com_ ( http://binderdesign.com/ http://binderdesign.com/ ) **************New year...new news.? Be the first to know what is making headlines. ( http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026 http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026 ) _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From vonrang at yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 21:15:50 2009 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:15:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] New Devastator Rocket from Binder Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <287616.78329.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am completely Devastated! Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Mfreptiles at aol.com wrote: > From: Mfreptiles at aol.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] New Devastator Rocket from Binder Design > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 5:04 PM > Binder Design is proud to announce the release of their > newest rocket kit, > the Devastator. This kit was designed by fellow high power > rocketeer Bret > Simpkins, who is also a real life nuclear rocket scientist. > The Devastator is a > military inspired design and resembles a cruise missile. > With the US Air > Force decals and radiation warning logos on the wings it > looks like the real > deal. > > Owner of Binder Design, Mike Fisher has been working with > Bret Simpkins on > several new exciting designs. According to Mike, > "This new kit fits the > Binder Design line up beautifully, and I'm very glad > that Bret has decided to work > with us on future designs". Mike adds, > "Bret's designs are very detailed > and sometimes so complex that it is a challenge to get them > developed for mass > production, but when I saw the Devastator design I knew I > had to bring it to > market". > > The Devastator is the fourth in the series of Fisher > Premium Kits for Binder > Design and comes with some impressive upgrades like > machined motor > retention, expanded premium decal package, premium > parachute with swivel, pre-slotted > airframe, and modular fin can assembly which allows the > removal of the fin > section to access internal fillets during the build. > > For more details on the Devastator, visit > _http://binderdesign.com_ > (http://binderdesign.com/) > > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know > what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jim at jmw29221.com Sun Jan 4 13:48:02 2009 From: jim at jmw29221.com (Jim Wilkerson) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:48:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Certification and the 2009 flying season Message-ID: <21518.71.35.188.43.1231105682.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Greetings all, and Happy New Year! Now that the winter solstice has come and gone, the days will get longer and we'll all look forward to the first launches of the season. If you're contemplating a certification flight this year, please take the time to familiarize yourself with the procedures on the NAR or Tripoli website concerning the certification that you want to attempt. The Tripoli BoD has released new certification rules effective January 1st, 2009. There's not yet a link on the TRA website, but I've added them to this email below. Oddrocs are no longer allowed for certification attempts. Standard parachute recovery is required for all certification flights. L3 candidates must have made at least one successful L2 flight with electronic deployment prior to their L3 attempt. In addition, two completely separate electronic devices are required on L3 certification flights for primary and back-up recovery system deployment. If you are contemplating a L3 certification attempt, now is the time to start a discussion with a TAP or L3CC member. Northwest area TAPs include Kimberly Harms (WA), Bob Yanecek (WA), Fred Azinger (OR), Greg Fannin (ID) and me (WA). L3CCs are Scott Binder (WA), John Lyngdal (OR), Kent Newman (WA), and me as well. See you all at FITS 2009! Regards Jim Wilkerson TRA 2733 NAR 29221 > ----------------------------------------------- > > High Power Rocketry Certification > > Level 1 > > Level 1 Certification allows flyers to fly High Power Rockets with a total installed impulse up to 640 n-sec. > > Airframe ? The rocket must be built by the flyer. The rocket shall have a display on the exterior identifying the calculated center of pressure. The rocket must be of ?conventional rocket design?. ?Odd Rockets? including flying pyramids, saucers and flying spools will not be allowed for any certification flight. The rocket may be either a kit or scratch built. Scratch built rockets may contain commercially built components. > > Recovery - Standard parachute recovery is required. Non-parachute recovery methods (e.g. tumble, helicopter, gliding, etc) are not permitted for certification flights. If the rocket is using dual deployment, the first event recovery can be via drogue-less or streamer as long as the main or second event uses a standard parachute. > > Motor ? The certification flight must be with a single certified H or I motor (tested total impulse between 160.01 and 640.00 n-sec). Staged and/or Clustered rockets may not be used for certification flights. The flyer shall be observed by the certifying member or their designated representative during the assembly (if a reload or hybrid) and preparation of the motor. > > Electronics ? Electronics are not required for level 1 certification flights. > > Certification Flight ? Level 1 Certification flight may take place at any insured launch. The certifying member (i.e. Prefect, TRA Director, or TAP Member) must be present and witness the certification flight. The certifying member must witness the rocket ascend in a stable manner and descend in stabilized manner controlled by the recovery system. > > Post-Flight Inspection ? The rocket must be presented to the certifying member for inspection. If the rocket cannot be recovered, but can be inspected in place (power lines, tree, etc ) this is acceptable. The certifying member shall inspect the rocket for excessive damage. Excessive damage shall be considered damage to the point that if the flyer were handed another motor, the rocket could not be put on the pad and flow again safely. Damage caused by wind dragging will not cause a disqualification. > > Non-certification ? Any of the following will result in non-certification for a certification flight: > Motor Cato Excessive Damage > No recovery system deployment or tangled recovery system deployment > Rocket drifting outside the specified launch range > Components coming down not attached to the recovery system. > Any other violation of TRA safety code associated with this particular flight. > Any other legitimate reason the certifying member deems merits non-certification. > > Level 2 > > Level 2 Certification allows flyers to fly High Power Rockets with a total installed impulse between 640.01 and 5120.00 n-sec. > > Written Test ? The written examination for level 2 shall be passed prior to a level 2 certification flight. > > Airframe ? The rocket must be built by the flyer. The rocket shall have a display on the exterior identifying the calculated center of pressure. The rocket must be of ?conventional rocket design?. ?Odd Rockets? including flying pyramids, saucers and flying spools will not be allowed for any certification flight. The rocket may be either a kit or scratch built. Scratch built rockets may contain commercially built components. > > Recovery - Standard parachute recovery is required. Non-parachute recovery methods (e.g. tumble, helicopter, gliding, etc) are not permitted for certification flights. If the rocket is using dual deployment, the first event recovery can be via drogue-less or streamer as long as the main or second event uses a standard parachute. > > Motor ? The certification flight must be with a single certified J, K, or L motor (tested total impulse between 640.01 and 5120.00 n-secs). Staged and/or Clustered rockets may not be used for certification flights. The flyer shall be observed by the certifying member or their designated representative during the assembly (if a reload or hybrid) and preparation of the motor. > > Electronics ? Electronics are not required for level 2 certification flights. However, prior to attempting level 3 certification, the flyer shall successfully fly at least one rocket in the Level 2 impulse range using an electronic device as the primary means of recovery system deployment. This may be their level 2 certification flight or any subsequent flight. > > Certification Flight ? Level 2 Certification flight may take place at any insured launch. The certifying member (i.e. Prefect, TRA Director, or TAP Member) must be present and witness the certification flight. The certifying member must witness the rocket ascend in a stable manner and descend in stabilized manner controlled by the recovery system. > > Post-Flight Inspection ? The rocket must be presented to the certifying member for inspection. If the rocket cannot be recovered, but can be inspected in place (power lines, tree, etc ) this is acceptable. The certifying member shall inspect the rocket for excessive damage. Excessive damage shall be considered damage to the point that if the flyer were handed another motor, the rocket could not be put on the pad and flow again safely. Damage caused by wind dragging will not cause a disqualification. > > Non-certification ? Any of the following will result in non-certification for a certification flight: > > Motor Cato Excessive Damage > No recovery system deployment or tangled recovery system deployment > Rocket drifting outside the specified launch range > Components coming down not attached to the recovery system. > Any other violation of TRA safety code associated with this particular flight. > Any other legitimate reason the certifying member deems merits non-certification. > > Level 3 > > Level 3 Certification allows flyers to fly High Power Rockets with a total installed impulse greater than 5120 n-sec. > > Airframe ? The rocket must be built by the flyer. The rocket shall have a display on the exterior identifying the calculated center of pressure. The rocket must be of ?conventional rocket design?. ?Odd Rockets? including flying pyramids, saucers and flying spools will not be allowed for any certification flight. The rocket may be either a kit or scratch built. Scratch built rockets may contain commercially built components. Commercially available prefabricated fin cans, either as part of a kit or obtained separately, may not be used for level 3 certification flights. > > Construction Inspections - TRA members designing or preparing to fly a level 3 project must present details of their design to 2 TAP members of their choice. BEFORE attempting a level 3 flight, 2 TAP members must have signed off on the member?s certification form. It is best if this TAP review is performed before the day of the launch to allow adjustments to the rocket design if deemed necessary by either of the 2 TAP reviewers. TAP members should be kept informed of any changes during construction. In general, the TAP member for objectively assessing the rocket will need the following information: A completely filled out Pre-Flight Data Capture form Drawings of the rocket showing airframe components, fins, bulkheads, recovery system components, payloads, etc A parts listing that includes material descriptions, adhesive types, screw sizes gauges, thicknesses, etc A simplified wiring diagram of the electronic recovery system that shows the major components Pre-flight checklist describing: field assembly of the rocket, motor installation, recovery system preparation, launcher installation, system arming, etc. > These items should be neatly drawn, and, if possible, lists typed. The primary preparation criteria are those drawings and lists are neat and legible. All items will be returned to the submitter if desired. A self-addressed envelope or supply postage funds to assist the TAP member with returns. > > Recovery - Standard parachute recovery is required. Non-parachute recovery methods (e.g. tumble, helicopter, gliding, etc) are not permitted for certification flights. If the rocket is using dual deployment, the first event recovery can be via drogue-less or streamer as long as the main or second event uses a standard parachute. > > Motor ? The certification flight must be with a single certified M or larger motor (tested total impulse greater than 5120.01 n-secs). Staged and/or Clustered rockets may not be used for certification flights. The flyer shall be observed by the TAP member or their designated representative during the assembly (if a reload or hybrid) and preparation of the motor. > > Electronics ? Prior to a level 3 certification flight, the flyer shall successfully fly at least one rocket in the level 2 range using an electronic device as the primary means of recovery system deployment. Level 3 certification flights shall include at least two completely separate electronic devices, with independent power sources, wire harnesses, and ignition devices for the primary and back-up means of recovery system deployment. > > Certification Flight ? Level 3 Certification flight may take place at any insured launch. The TAP member must be present and witness the certification flight. The TAP member must witness the rocket ascend in a stable manner and descend in stabilized manner controlled by the recovery system. > > Post-Flight Inspection ? The rocket must be presented to the certifying member for inspection. If the rocket cannot be recovered, but can be inspected in place (power lines, tree, etc ) this is acceptable. The certifying member shall inspect the rocket for excessive damage. Excessive damage shall be considered damage to the point that if the flyer were handed another motor, the rocket could not be put on the pad and flow again safely. Damage caused by wind dragging will not cause a disqualification. > > Non-certification ? Any of the following will result in non-certification for a certification flight: > Motor Cato Excessive Damage > No recovery system deployment or tangled recovery system deployment Rocket drifting outside the specified launch range > Components coming down not attached to the recovery system. > Any other violation of TRA safety code associated with this particular flight. > Any other legitimate reason the TAP member deems merits non-certification. From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 14:37:31 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:37:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Cold Weather Batteries Message-ID: <153592.22090.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a good battery suited for cold weather? I've gone through several brands of AAA size and have had them affected by the cold, and stop working. ? Thanks, ? John Hornsby -------------- next part -------------- Does anyone have a good battery suited for cold weather? I've gone through several brands of AAA size and have had them affected by the cold, and stop working. ? Thanks, ? John Hornsby From john_lyngdal at verizon.net Sun Jan 4 15:29:19 2009 From: john_lyngdal at verizon.net (John Lyngdal) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:29:19 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Cold Weather Batteries In-Reply-To: <153592.22090.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <153592.22090.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c96ec4$45cf7900$d16e6b00$@net> John, I think lithium batteries have the best low temperature performance. There are several different types of lithium battery cell chemistry, so it might take more thabn just selecting any lithium battery. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of John Hornsby Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:38 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Cold Weather Batteries Does anyone have a good battery suited for cold weather? I've gone through several brands of AAA size and have had them affected by the cold, and stop working. ? Thanks, ? John Hornsby From carl20320 at msn.com Sun Jan 4 18:08:53 2009 From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:08:53 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Cold Weather Batteries In-Reply-To: <153592.22090.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <153592.22090.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Use the Lithium batteries that are readily available without going to specialty shops (unless you want to save a little money and can wait on them). I used the exclusively on Denali and Aconcagua in temps as low as -45F and they functioned fine. I took backup sets not knowing how long they would last in the cold weather and I never had to put the replacements in and I continued using them for a significant amount of time afterwards. They also have a 10 year shelf life. Carl NAR 33262 TRA 11344 KE7DRZ > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of John Hornsby > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:38 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Cold Weather Batteries > > Does anyone have a good battery suited for cold weather? I've > gone through several brands of AAA size and have had them > affected by the cold, and stop working. > ? > Thanks, > ? > John Hornsby > > > From jim at jmw29221.com Sun Jan 4 18:32:51 2009 From: jim at jmw29221.com (Jim Wilkerson) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:32:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Certification and the 2009 flying season In-Reply-To: <21518.71.35.188.43.1231105682.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> References: <21518.71.35.188.43.1231105682.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Message-ID: <24185.71.35.188.43.1231122771.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> For those of you not on the TRA list, the new TRA cert rules are now posted on the website: http://www.tripoli.org/cert/TRA_Certification_Rules_2009.pdf Regards Jim > Greetings all, and Happy New Year! Now that the winter solstice has come > and gone, the days will get longer and we'll all look forward to the first > launches of the season. If you're contemplating a certification flight > this year, please take the time to familiarize yourself with the > procedures on the NAR or Tripoli website concerning the certification that > you want to attempt. > > The Tripoli BoD has released new certification rules effective January > 1st, 2009. There's not yet a link on the TRA website, but I've added them > to this email below. Oddrocs are no longer allowed for certification > attempts. Standard parachute recovery is required for all certification > flights. L3 candidates must have made at least one successful L2 flight > with electronic deployment prior to their L3 attempt. In addition, two > completely separate electronic devices are required on L3 certification > flights for primary and back-up recovery system deployment. > > If you are contemplating a L3 certification attempt, now is the time to > start a discussion with a TAP or L3CC member. Northwest area TAPs include > Kimberly Harms (WA), Bob Yanecek (WA), Fred Azinger (OR), Greg Fannin (ID) > and me (WA). L3CCs are Scott Binder (WA), John Lyngdal (OR), Kent Newman > (WA), and me as well. > > See you all at FITS 2009! > > Regards > Jim Wilkerson > TRA 2733 NAR 29221 > From sb at berfield.com Sun Jan 4 21:06:00 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:06:00 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Cold Weather Batteries Message-ID: Our guides on Rainier also suggested the ordinary store-bought lithiums. Denali AND Aconcagua too? Nice. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Degner [mailto:carl20320 at msn.com] Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2009 06:08 PM To: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Cold Weather Batteries Use the Lithium batteries that are readily available without going to specialty shops (unless you want to save a little money and can wait on them). I used the exclusively on Denali and Aconcagua in temps as low as -45F and they functioned fine. I took backup sets not knowing how long they would last in the cold weather and I never had to put the replacements in and I continued using them for a significant amount of time afterwards. They also have a 10 year shelf life. Carl NAR 33262 TRA 11344 KE7DRZ > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of John Hornsby > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:38 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Cold Weather Batteries > > Does anyone have a good battery suited for cold weather? I've > gone through several brands of AAA size and have had them > affected by the cold, and stop working. > > Thanks, > > John Hornsby > > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Our guides on Rainier also suggested the ordinary store-bought lithiums. Denali AND Aconcagua too? Nice. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Degner [mailto:carl20320 at msn.com] Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2009 06:08 PM To: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Cold Weather Batteries Use the Lithium batteries that are readily available without going to specialty shops (unless you want to save a little money and can wait on them). I used the exclusively on Denali and Aconcagua in temps as low as -45F and they functioned fine. I took backup sets not knowing how long they would last in the cold weather and I never had to put the replacements in and I continued using them for a significant amount of time afterwards. They also have a 10 year shelf life. Carl NAR 33262 TRA 11344 KE7DRZ > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of John Hornsby > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:38 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Cold Weather Batteries > > Does anyone have a good battery suited for cold weather? I've > gone through several brands of AAA size and have had them > affected by the cold, and stop working. > ? > Thanks, > ? > John Hornsby > > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Mon Jan 5 01:37:08 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 01:37:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents in Southern Israel In-Reply-To: <23c101c96b8d$ba2e0a30$2e8a1e90$@com> References: <495B1A20.1010307@earthlink.net> <235e01c96b63$ebfcfe10$c3f6fa30$@com> <495BA7BB.6000604@earthlink.net> <23c101c96b8d$ba2e0a30$2e8a1e90$@com> Message-ID: <5fac35ff4ceb23b5c90817bfa381f390.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Ditto what hammer said. And if anyone thinks I have even the slightest sympathies towards jihadists, you've been snorting AP... But I've said before, I wouldn't mind getting my hands on the blueprints for those Qassams for purposes of possibly improving on peaceful hobbyist sugar rocket technology here. Maybe they know a trick or two we don't. If anyone has a problem with reverse engineering a weapons technology for peaceful use, hey, whattya doin' using APCP? But it seems I misunderstood what kinds of rockets were being used over there. Jeez, I just seem to keep forgetting how deeply the generalized fear from political correctness has seeped into American society. +McG+ > Just as long as everyone understands, rocket talk ok, jihadist/whatever > talk > not ok. > > Greg Deputy > Grumpy list admin > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Hammer > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:11 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging > Residents > in Southern Israel > > The reason why I posted this is because of how the WaPo is misuing the > term "amateur rockets" because the jihadis aren't launching amateur > rockets over there. I just wanted to make others aware of this > problem. Next thing you know the jihadi author of this article will > start using the term 'model rockets' to describe the rockets being fired > from Gaza at Israelis. Do we really want the American public or our > enlightened politicians to associate model or amateur rockets with > weaponized, home-made, as well as mass-produced military free flight > rockets being used in Gaza? I think not. > > BTW, when was the last time your rockets nagged you? > > Robert > > Greg Deputy wrote: >> Guys this is so far unrelated to the topics here, you're about 2mm from >> being moderated >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >> On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com >> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:02 AM >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging > Residents >> in Southern Israel >> >> And from the news reports it seems the Palestinians are getting >> substantially better at building those Qassam missiles. Bigger, faster, >> farther...a 26 mile range as we all know is not that easy to do, >> especially without access to all the right materials. (It's gotta be >> able >> to go at least 70,000 feet straight up to do that.) Can *you* do that >> well with a sugar rocket? >> >> It wasn't but a few years ago that the Qassams were little more than a >> nuisance, a psychological weapon. Now they're starting to be serious. >> +McG+ >> >> >> >> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/29/AR2008122901 >> 901.html >> >>> Has Israel Revived Hamas? >>> >>> By Daoud Kuttab Tuesday, December 30, 2008; Page A15 >>> >>> JERUSALEM -- In its efforts to stop amateur rockets from nagging the >>> residents of some of its southern cities, Israel appears to have given >>> new life to the fledging Islamic movement in Palestine. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From vonrang at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 04:49:05 2009 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 04:49:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents in Southern Israel In-Reply-To: <5fac35ff4ceb23b5c90817bfa381f390.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Message-ID: <576402.33388.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> "Jeez, I just seem to keep forgetting how deeply the generalized fear from political correctness has seeped into American society." I agree with this statement whole-heartedly. "Politically correct speech" was an expression used widely in communist Russia, under Josef Stalin. It amazes me that as time marches along here in the U.S. since 1990 that we (society, media, politicians) have become so much more like the enemy ideology we once fought as a society, for most of my life. I do not feel it is by any accident that "Amateur Rocket" was used in the news barf from WaPo. I think it is part of a subtle agenda in the media to associate one type of activity with the other so that the sheep-like masses won't make a distinction and the government can further regulate a hobby that poses no real threat to anyone. Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Mon, 1/5/09, kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: > From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents in Southern Israel > To: "Greg Deputy" > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 1:37 AM > Ditto what hammer said. > > And if anyone thinks I have even the slightest sympathies > towards > jihadists, you've been snorting AP... > > But I've said before, I wouldn't mind getting my > hands on the blueprints > for those Qassams for purposes of possibly improving on > peaceful hobbyist > sugar rocket technology here. Maybe they know a trick or > two we don't. > If anyone has a problem with reverse engineering a weapons > technology for > peaceful use, hey, whattya doin' using APCP? > > But it seems I misunderstood what kinds of rockets were > being used over > there. > > Jeez, I just seem to keep forgetting how deeply the > generalized fear from > political correctness has seeped into American society. > +McG+ > > > > Just as long as everyone understands, rocket talk ok, > jihadist/whatever > > talk > > not ok. > > > > Greg Deputy > > Grumpy list admin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > > On Behalf Of Hammer > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:11 AM > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur > Rockets Nagging > > Residents > > in Southern Israel > > > > The reason why I posted this is because of how the > WaPo is misuing the > > term "amateur rockets" because the jihadis > aren't launching amateur > > rockets over there. I just wanted to make others > aware of this > > problem. Next thing you know the jihadi author of > this article will > > start using the term 'model rockets' to > describe the rockets being fired > > from Gaza at Israelis. Do we really want the American > public or our > > enlightened politicians to associate model or amateur > rockets with > > weaponized, home-made, as well as mass-produced > military free flight > > rockets being used in Gaza? I think not. > > > > BTW, when was the last time your rockets nagged you? > > > > Robert > > > > Greg Deputy wrote: > >> Guys this is so far unrelated to the topics here, > you're about 2mm from > >> being moderated > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > >> On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:02 AM > >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur > Rockets Nagging > > Residents > >> in Southern Israel > >> > >> And from the news reports it seems the > Palestinians are getting > >> substantially better at building those Qassam > missiles. Bigger, faster, > >> farther...a 26 mile range as we all know is not > that easy to do, > >> especially without access to all the right > materials. (It's gotta be > >> able > >> to go at least 70,000 feet straight up to do > that.) Can *you* do that > >> well with a sugar rocket? > >> > >> It wasn't but a few years ago that the Qassams > were little more than a > >> nuisance, a psychological weapon. Now they're > starting to be serious. > >> +McG+ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/29/AR2008122901 > >> 901.html > >> > >>> Has Israel Revived Hamas? > >>> > >>> By Daoud Kuttab Tuesday, December 30, 2008; > Page A15 > >>> > >>> JERUSALEM -- In its efforts to stop amateur > rockets from nagging the > >>> residents of some of its southern cities, > Israel appears to have given > >>> new life to the fledging Islamic movement in > Palestine. > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> Rockets mailing list > >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >>> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From donbrendarott at msn.com Mon Jan 5 05:56:42 2009 From: donbrendarott at msn.com (Donald and Brenda Harris) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:56:42 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Congrats!! Message-ID: Might be old news to some but I thought that congratulations were in order to "Team Numb" for their Keg Flight making the cover of Extreme Rocketry and Rockets Magazine. Alex would be proud! Don -------------- next part -------------- Might be old news to some but I thought that congratulations were in order to "Team Numb" for their Keg Flight making the cover of Extreme Rocketry and Rockets Magazine. ? Alex would be proud! ? Don From winningstad at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 06:29:07 2009 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:29:07 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Congrats!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hera - hear!!!!!!!!!!!! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 Chess anyone? 1. e4 (P-K4) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Donald and Brenda Harris Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:57 AM To: Rockets; Rob Lamb; dave; Peter.T.Ekstrom; Jason Subject: [RocketsNW] Congrats!! Might be old news to some but I thought that congratulations were in order to "Team Numb" for their Keg Flight making the cover of Extreme Rocketry and Rockets Magazine. Alex would be proud! Don From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 11:00:20 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:00:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Paging Mr. Proffit. Message-ID: <278499.31534.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave Sir, Can you contact me off list, at you leasure. ? Thank You, John Hornsby -------------- next part -------------- Dave Sir, Can you contact me off list, at you leasure. ? Thank You, John Hornsby From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Mon Jan 5 11:43:21 2009 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:43:21 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Schedule? Message-ID: Greetings rocketeers, As we are set for 2009, I noticed that OROC has not set dates for their launches for 2009. Since we already have the dates for many of our events for this year, including star parties, FITS, Dayton and Black Rock, we are wondering when OROC will pick it's dates? Last year we had a conflict with the OCT launch and were unable to attend. If OROC dates conflict with other dates that we have already committed to, we will again, be unable to attend. As much as we enjoy being at OROC events, our scheduling with star parties and other rocket launches, is getting tougher every year, with a limited budget for a non-profit organization. If anyone knows the dates for the upcoming launches for 2009, please let us know, as our calendar is getting fairly full. For those of you interested in our star party dates, please check out our new astronomy store web page at http://www.astronomyshop.org/ and click on the events button Hopefully rocketryshop.org will be very similar to this, SOON! Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Mon Jan 5 11:53:34 2009 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:53:34 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents in Southern Israel In-Reply-To: <576402.33388.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <5fac35ff4ceb23b5c90817bfa381f390.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> <576402.33388.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D995D13@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> I think you are giving them too much credit - believing that such an agenda could be managed. No one other than a very few really care that much about what we do. b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Sam Grado I think it is part of a subtle agenda in the media to associate one type of activity with the other so that the sheep-like masses won't make a distinction and the government can further regulate a hobby that poses no real threat to anyone. Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Mon, 1/5/09, kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Mon Jan 5 11:56:23 2009 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:56:23 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents in Southern Israel In-Reply-To: <5fac35ff4ceb23b5c90817bfa381f390.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> References: <495B1A20.1010307@earthlink.net> <235e01c96b63$ebfcfe10$c3f6fa30$@com> <495BA7BB.6000604@earthlink.net> <23c101c96b8d$ba2e0a30$2e8a1e90$@com> <5fac35ff4ceb23b5c90817bfa381f390.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D995D81@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> I don't believe that Greg's "restriction" has anything to do with PC'ism. There are a lot of very emotional and valid feelings on *both* sides of the peoples in Israel and there's no need to air them on an alias for our hobby. (and yes I have been there and have spent time with the people there) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Jeez, I just seem to keep forgetting how deeply the generalized fear from political correctness has seeped into American society. +McG+ > Just as long as everyone understands, rocket talk ok, jihadist/whatever > talk > not ok. > > Greg Deputy > Grumpy list admin > From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Mon Jan 5 11:57:10 2009 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:57:10 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] WaPo Row In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090101124057.038c7ea0@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090101124057.038c7ea0@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D995DAE@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> This is because in general reporters are clueless about what they write about.... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:47 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WaPo Row "Maybe this article could be escalated to the NAR and TRA leadership level who can give the WaPo hell for being irresponsible with their words." It is to laugh. These guys are the same people who call BlackWater employees "contractors" instead of mercenaries. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From winningstad at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 12:12:10 2009 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:12:10 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WaPo Row In-Reply-To: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D995DAE@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090101124057.038c7ea0@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D995DAE@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: Brad, My experience is just that. They know how to write (usually) but they almost never know what they are writing about. Then they fill in the blanks with what they think of off the top of their head w/o research. Astronomy, heck, science in general, aviation to name just a few and especially, POLITICS! When they write about rocketry...AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 Chess anyone? 1. e4 (P-K4) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:57 AM To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WaPo Row This is because in general reporters are clueless about what they write about.... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:47 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WaPo Row "Maybe this article could be escalated to the NAR and TRA leadership level who can give the WaPo hell for being irresponsible with their words." It is to laugh. These guys are the same people who call BlackWater employees "contractors" instead of mercenaries. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com Mon Jan 5 19:45:05 2009 From: Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com (Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:45:05 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] Congrats!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Don! ? I knew about the Rockets cover, but the ER cover was a complete surprise. ? Alex is probably doing back flips ?-- Peter ? ? -----"Donald and Brenda Harris" wrote: ----- To: "Rockets" , "Rob Lamb" , "dave" , "Peter.T.Ekstrom" , "Jason" From: "Donald and Brenda Harris" Date: 01/05/2009 05:56AM Subject: Congrats!! Might be old news to some but I thought that congratulations were in order to "Team Numb" for their Keg Flight making the cover of Extreme Rocketry and Rockets Magazine. ? Alex would be proud! ? Don From stevet19759 at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 21:55:21 2009 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:55:21 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Schedule? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4962F249.1000101@comcast.net> Hi Bob, The decisions were made and dates were (mostly) set, but we apparently didn't manage to follow through with getting them posted to the web site. Randy Birzer is officially in charge of the calendar and can confirm these dates, but here's what I have recorded in my email: Spring Thunder, May 15, 16, 17, Brothers, Oregon. Summer Skies, June 19, 20, 21, Brothers, Oregon. Desert Heat, July 17,18,19, Brothers, Oregon. Desert EXtreme, August 14,15,16, Brothers, Oregon. Fillible?s Folly, September 12,13, Sheridan, Oregon. Rocketober, October 9,10,11, Brothers, Oregon. Randy: please confirm these dates and details so that Jeff can update the web site. -Steve Bob Grossfeld wrote: > Greetings rocketeers, > > As we are set for 2009, I noticed that OROC has not set dates for > their launches for 2009. Since we already have the dates for many of > our events for this year, including star parties, FITS, Dayton and > Black Rock, we are wondering when OROC will pick it's dates? > > Last year we had a conflict with the OCT launch and were unable to > attend. If OROC dates conflict with other dates that we have already > committed to, we will again, be unable to attend. > > As much as we enjoy being at OROC events, our scheduling with star > parties and other rocket launches, is getting tougher every year, > with a limited budget for a non-profit organization. > > If anyone knows the dates for the upcoming launches for 2009, please > let us know, as our calendar is getting fairly full. > > For those of you interested in our star party dates, please check out > our new astronomy store web page > at http://www.astronomyshop.org/ and click on the events button > > Hopefully rocketryshop.org will be very similar to this, SOON! > > Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From donbrendarott at msn.com Tue Jan 6 05:40:11 2009 From: donbrendarott at msn.com (Donald and Brenda Harris) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:40:11 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Schedule? In-Reply-To: <4962F249.1000101@comcast.net> References: <4962F249.1000101@comcast.net> Message-ID: Steve, this was put out in November 08. The only difference I see is that Sheridan is scheduled for 3 days. Don Oregon Rocketry Launch Schedule 2009 Spring Thunder, May 15, 16, 17, Brothers, Oregon. Research on Friday. Summer Skies, June 19, 20, 21, Brothers, Oregon. Research on Friday. Desert Heat, July 17,18,19, Brothers, Oregon. Research on Friday. Desert EXtreme, August 14,15,16, Brothers, Oregon. Research all days. Fillible?s Folly, September 11,12,13, Sheridan, Oregon. Commercial motors. Rocktober, October 9,10,11, Brothers, Oregon. Research on Friday. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Tarr" To: "Bob Grossfeld" Cc: "BOD OregonRocketry" ; "rockets northwest" Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] OROC Schedule? Hi Bob, The decisions were made and dates were (mostly) set, but we apparently didn't manage to follow through with getting them posted to the web site. Randy Birzer is officially in charge of the calendar and can confirm these dates, but here's what I have recorded in my email: Spring Thunder, May 15, 16, 17, Brothers, Oregon. Summer Skies, June 19, 20, 21, Brothers, Oregon. Desert Heat, July 17,18,19, Brothers, Oregon. Desert EXtreme, August 14,15,16, Brothers, Oregon. Fillible?s Folly, September 12,13, Sheridan, Oregon. Rocketober, October 9,10,11, Brothers, Oregon. Randy: please confirm these dates and details so that Jeff can update the web site. -Steve Bob Grossfeld wrote: > Greetings rocketeers, > > As we are set for 2009, I noticed that OROC has not set dates for > their launches for 2009. Since we already have the dates for many of > our events for this year, including star parties, FITS, Dayton and > Black Rock, we are wondering when OROC will pick it's dates? > > Last year we had a conflict with the OCT launch and were unable to > attend. If OROC dates conflict with other dates that we have already > committed to, we will again, be unable to attend. > > As much as we enjoy being at OROC events, our scheduling with star > parties and other rocket launches, is getting tougher every year, > with a limited budget for a non-profit organization. > > If anyone knows the dates for the upcoming launches for 2009, please > let us know, as our calendar is getting fairly full. > > For those of you interested in our star party dates, please check out > our new astronomy store web page > at http://www.astronomyshop.org/ and click on the events button > > Hopefully rocketryshop.org will be very similar to this, SOON! > > Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From stevet19759 at comcast.net Tue Jan 6 09:44:59 2009 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:44:59 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Schedule? In-Reply-To: References: <4962F249.1000101@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4963989B.2060302@comcast.net> That's right. I reposted this because Bob asked. There are only two flying days at Sheridan because there's no EX and Friday is a setup day. The people doing setup sometimes get a chance to launch a few rockets at the end of the day, but it's not an official launch day. The bigger issue is that Bob has a conflict on almost all of the Brothers dates. It would be very hard to change schedule at this point, but it would also be hard to run a full launch calendar without an on-site vendor. Randy and Bob are working on the issue and will probably be able to make a proposal to the new BoD at the annual meeting. -ST Donald and Brenda Harris wrote: > Steve, this was put out in November 08. The only difference I see is that > Sheridan is scheduled for 3 days. > > Don > > Oregon Rocketry Launch Schedule 2009 > Spring Thunder, May 15, 16, 17, Brothers, Oregon. Research on > Friday. > Summer Skies, June 19, 20, 21, Brothers, Oregon. Research on > Friday. > Desert Heat, July 17,18,19, Brothers, Oregon. Research on Friday. > Desert EXtreme, August 14,15,16, Brothers, Oregon. Research all > days. > Fillible?s Folly, September 11,12,13, Sheridan, Oregon. Commercial > motors. > Rocktober, October 9,10,11, Brothers, Oregon. Research on Friday. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Tarr" > To: "Bob Grossfeld" > Cc: "BOD OregonRocketry" ; "rockets northwest" > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] OROC Schedule? > > > Hi Bob, > The decisions were made and dates were (mostly) set, but we apparently > didn't manage to follow through with getting them posted to the web > site. Randy Birzer is officially in charge of the calendar and can > confirm these dates, but here's what I have recorded in my email: > > Spring Thunder, May 15, 16, 17, Brothers, Oregon. > Summer Skies, June 19, 20, 21, Brothers, Oregon. > Desert Heat, July 17,18,19, Brothers, Oregon. > Desert EXtreme, August 14,15,16, Brothers, Oregon. > Fillible?s Folly, September 12,13, Sheridan, Oregon. > Rocketober, October 9,10,11, Brothers, Oregon. > > Randy: please confirm these dates and details so that Jeff can update > the web site. > > -Steve > > > > Bob Grossfeld wrote: >> Greetings rocketeers, >> >> As we are set for 2009, I noticed that OROC has not set dates for >> their launches for 2009. Since we already have the dates for many of >> our events for this year, including star parties, FITS, Dayton and >> Black Rock, we are wondering when OROC will pick it's dates? >> >> Last year we had a conflict with the OCT launch and were unable to >> attend. If OROC dates conflict with other dates that we have already >> committed to, we will again, be unable to attend. >> >> As much as we enjoy being at OROC events, our scheduling with star >> parties and other rocket launches, is getting tougher every year, >> with a limited budget for a non-profit organization. >> >> If anyone knows the dates for the upcoming launches for 2009, please >> let us know, as our calendar is getting fairly full. >> >> For those of you interested in our star party dates, please check out >> our new astronomy store web page >> at http://www.astronomyshop.org/ and click on the events button >> >> Hopefully rocketryshop.org will be very similar to this, SOON! >> >> Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Tue Jan 6 12:53:10 2009 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:53:10 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Fwd: ARLISS/XPRS 2009 Dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302DA16E07@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> And this site is live now too! http://www.balls18.com/ Sept 25-27 -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:05 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Fwd: ARLISS/XPRS 2009 Dates FYI -- I believe there was some earlier email on this list that I was involved w/ that indicated a different date -- here's the latest information. -- Greg ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: TFISH38 at aol.com Date: Dec 24, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: [ARLISS Flyers] ARLISS/XPRS 2009 Dates To: arliss-flyers at googlegroups.com There was a problem with the announced 2009 AeroPac launch schedule. Even after checking dates several times, I made a goof. I wish to apologize for any inconvenience I've caused to anyone. ARLISS/XPRS will be held in it's normal third week time slot...see below. The changes have been made to our web pages. If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me. Tony Alcocer Tfish38 at aol.com 707-526-4631 *ARLISS/XPRS 2009* ** * ARLISS: Monday Sept 14 Setup Tues-Friday Sept 15-18 ARLISS Rules XPRS: Fri/Sun Sept 18-20 Commercial Rules Monday Sept 21 Research Rules * ------------------------------ One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now . From jhadv at pacifier.com Tue Jan 6 12:59:29 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:59:29 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Schedule? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090106125428.00bd5e70@mail.iinet.com> Well now that we did away with EX days in favor of integrating them with the other flights I submit it would be near impossible to have a launch without an on site vendor. An effectively LEUP holders only launch because of want of a vendor is kind of an EX day if you don't mind my saying so. If need be I would respectfully suggest that we amend the OROC schedule to eliminate the conflicts and work on better (read that earlier) coordination next year. From greg at bigredbee.com Tue Jan 6 13:20:52 2009 From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:20:52 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Schedule? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090106125428.00bd5e70@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090106125428.00bd5e70@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: Paul, Not sure I understand your comments about doing away with EX days. In the past 8 or 9 years, this is the EARLIEST that we have EVER had a schedule available. You can't blame the OROC "management" for this one. -- Greg On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Paul Bogdanich wrote: > Well now that we did away with EX days in favor of integrating them with > the other flights I submit it would be near impossible to have a launch > without an on site vendor. An effectively LEUP holders only launch because > of want of a vendor is kind of an EX day if you don't mind my saying > so. If need be I would respectfully suggest that we amend the OROC > schedule to eliminate the conflicts and work on better (read that earlier) > coordination next year. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From bphlat234 at comcast.net Wed Jan 7 12:18:56 2009 From: bphlat234 at comcast.net (Gary Harris) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:18:56 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Schedule? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090106125428.00bd5e70@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090106125428.00bd5e70@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <1C2733E4784E49909EEB9D6D83FD87E3@Garylaptop> EX, (now called research) days have not been done away with; the change was commercial motors may now be flown on Friday, but research motors still may be flown on Fridays ONLY. I'm a little surprised at the conflict because in past years there have been few problems with our 3rd weekend routine. I would support changing the schedule to allow Bob to be there if posible. Gary Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bogdanich" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] OROC Schedule? > Well now that we did away with EX days in favor of integrating them with > the other flights I submit it would be near impossible to have a launch > without an on site vendor. An effectively LEUP holders only launch > because > of want of a vendor is kind of an EX day if you don't mind my saying > so. If need be I would respectfully suggest that we amend the OROC > schedule to eliminate the conflicts and work on better (read that earlier) > coordination next year. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From bphlat234 at comcast.net Wed Jan 7 12:30:48 2009 From: bphlat234 at comcast.net (Gary Harris) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:30:48 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Congrats!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congrats to the Team Numb for pulling that one off ! The only room for improvement would have been to bottle up some and distribute the "space beer" at the annual meeting.... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald and Brenda Harris" To: "Rockets" ; "Rob Lamb" ; "dave" ; "Peter.T.Ekstrom" ; "Jason" Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:56 AM Subject: [RocketsNW] Congrats!! Might be old news to some but I thought that congratulations were in order to "Team Numb" for their Keg Flight making the cover of Extreme Rocketry and Rockets Magazine. Alex would be proud! Don -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From jhadv at pacifier.com Wed Jan 7 13:52:41 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:52:41 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Schedule? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090107125835.039d98f0@mail.iinet.com> Sorry for my poor choice of words. I do not blame OROC for the potential problem I was just trying to make the point that with the difficulties of getting contingent storage and therefore a LEUP an active motor vendor at the launches is very important to slugs like me. Can't get motors otherwise. And I was therefore urging that we do everything possible, including being flexible on our launch dates, to try and ensure that there is a motor vendor at as many launches as is practicable. On the topic of possible solutions does anyone have a handle on the licensure requirements other than storage that must be complied with to deliver motors at launches? What I am considering is a for profit business that merely maintains a magazine, offers contingent storage, pre-paid purchasing and delivery services to the magazine and possible delivery to launches for wanna-be LEUP holders like myself. If I happened to live in Bend, Prineville, ran that store at Brothers or lived on any of the Indian ground between Portland and Brothers I would do the paperwork in a heartbeat. If one had an acceptable magazine and offered rental space therein for a fee, then people like myself could list them as storage, get a LEUP and stop there on the way to and from the launches as necessary. To do this in the city of Portland (where I happen to live) is a problem as there are regulations that state that storage of anything more powerful than "ordinary gunpowder" is prohibited within the city limits. So to do so in the city would require convincing someone that APCP is less explosive than "ordinary gunpowder" and that could be challenging but possible as there are people that handle NH4ClO4 within the city limits. In any event I hope that the lawsuit gets resolved in our favor as some of the current regulations are clearly an attempt by the BATF to accomplish indirectly what they cannot accomplish directly under the statute and therefore unnecessarily burdensome. From kent.newman at comcast.net Wed Jan 7 19:29:38 2009 From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:29:38 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting Message-ID: Greetings all! A reminder of the Washington Aerospace meeting to be held this Saturday, 7:00 p.m., at Peace Lutheran Church in Puyallup. Of course, the old phrase, "God willing and the creeks don't rise" has a special focus for this date. Announcement of the new Board of Directors will take place along with discussions on recovery tracking devices; i.e., GPS, radio frequency tracking, beepers, etc. and other totally related rocketry chat. With the weather being what it is, a quick coat or two of Vaseline may be in order before setting out. A belated Happy Holidays, Kent Newman -------------- next part -------------- Greetings all! ? A reminder of the Washington Aerospace meeting to be held this Saturday, 7:00 p.m., at Peace Lutheran Church in Puyallup.? ? Of course, the old phrase, ???God willing and the creeks don???t rise??? has a special focus for this date. ? Announcement of the new Board of Directors will take place along with discussions on recovery tracking devices; i.e., GPS, radio frequency tracking, beepers, etc. and other totally related rocketry chat. ? With the weather being what it is, a quick coat or two of Vaseline may be in order before setting out. ? A belated Happy Holidays, ? Kent Newman From greg at blastzone.com Wed Jan 7 19:35:43 2009 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:35:43 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Washington Aerospace Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000d01c97142$30069dd0$9013d970$@com> C'Mon Kent, everyone knows that DOW 111 works better than Vaseline. From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Kent Newman Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:30 PM To: members at washingtonaerospace.org Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [WAC-Members] Washington Aerospace Meeting Greetings all! A reminder of the Washington Aerospace meeting to be held this Saturday, 7:00 p.m., at Peace Lutheran Church in Puyallup. Of course, the old phrase, "God willing and the creeks don't rise" has a special focus for this date. Announcement of the new Board of Directors will take place along with discussions on recovery tracking devices; i.e., GPS, radio frequency tracking, beepers, etc. and other totally related rocketry chat. With the weather being what it is, a quick coat or two of Vaseline may be in order before setting out. A belated Happy Holidays, Kent Newman -------------- next part -------------- C???Mon Kent, everyone knows that DOW 111 works better than Vaseline??? ? From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Kent Newman Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:30 PM To: members at washingtonaerospace.org Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [WAC-Members] Washington Aerospace Meeting ? Greetings all! ? A reminder of the Washington Aerospace meeting to be held this Saturday, 7:00 p.m., at Peace Lutheran Church in Puyallup.? ? Of course, the old phrase, ???God willing and the creeks don???t rise??? has a special focus for this date. ? Announcement of the new Board of Directors will take place along with discussions on recovery tracking devices; i.e., GPS, radio frequency tracking, beepers, etc. and other totally related rocketry chat. ? With the weather being what it is, a quick coat or two of Vaseline may be in order before setting out. ? A belated Happy Holidays, ? Kent Newman From appusher at q.com Wed Jan 7 21:15:43 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:15:43 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Schedule? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090107125835.039d98f0@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090107125835.039d98f0@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: Anytime there is a conflict with schedules that Bob can't make a launch......let us know and we'll try to make it down for you folks. Even given the weather, Dave and I enjoyed being there getting to know the new fliers and catching up with with our long time friends. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:52:41 -0800> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> From: jhadv at pacifier.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] OROC Schedule?> > Sorry for my poor choice of words. I do not blame OROC for the potential > problem I was just trying to make the point that with the difficulties of > getting contingent storage and therefore a LEUP an active motor vendor at > the launches is very important to slugs like me. Can't get motors > otherwise. And I was therefore urging that we do everything possible, > including being flexible on our launch dates, to try and ensure that there > is a motor vendor at as many launches as is practicable.> On the topic of possible solutions does anyone have a handle on the > licensure requirements other than storage that must be complied with to > deliver motors at launches? What I am considering is a for profit business > that merely maintains a magazine, offers contingent storage, pre-paid > purchasing and delivery services to the magazine and possible delivery to > launches for wanna-be LEUP holders like myself. If I happened to live in > Bend, Prineville, ran that store at Brothers or lived on any of the Indian > ground between Portland and Brothers I would do the paperwork in a > heartbeat. If one had an acceptable magazine and offered rental space > therein for a fee, then people like myself could list them as storage, get > a LEUP and stop there on the way to and from the launches as necessary. To > do this in the city of Portland (where I happen to live) is a problem as > there are regulations that state that storage of anything more powerful > than "ordinary gunpowder" is prohibited within the city limits. So to do > so in the city would require convincing someone that APCP is less explosive > than "ordinary gunpowder" and that could be challenging but possible as > there are people that handle NH4ClO4 within the city limits.> In any event I hope that the lawsuit gets resolved in our favor as some of > the current regulations are clearly an attempt by the BATF to accomplish > indirectly what they cannot accomplish directly under the statute and > therefore unnecessarily burdensome.> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- ? Anytime there is a conflict with schedules that Bob can't make a launch......let us know and we'll try to make it down for you folks. Even given the weather, Dave and I enjoyed being there getting to know the new fliers and catching up with with our long time friends. ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:52:41 -0800 > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > From: jhadv at pacifier.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] OROC Schedule? > > Sorry for my poor choice of words. I do not blame OROC for the potential > problem I was just trying to make the point that with the difficulties of > getting contingent storage and therefore a LEUP an active motor vendor at > the launches is very important to slugs like me. Can't get motors > otherwise. And I was therefore urging that we do everything possible, > including being flexible on our launch dates, to try and ensure that there > is a motor vendor at as many launches as is practicable. > On the topic of possible solutions does anyone have a handle on the > licensure requirements other than storage that must be complied with to > deliver motors at launches? What I am considering is a for profit business > that merely maintains a magazine, offers contingent storage, pre-paid > purchasing and delivery services to the magazine and possible delivery to > launches for wanna-be LEUP holders like myself. If I happened to live in > Bend, Prineville, ran that store at Brothers or lived on any of the Indian > ground between Portland and Brothers I would do the paperwork in a > heartbeat. If one had an acceptable magazine and offered rental space > therein for a fee, then people like myself could list them as storage, get > a LEUP and stop there on the way to and from the launches as necessary. To > do this in the city of Portland (where I happen to live) is a problem as > there are regulations that state that storage of anything more powerful > than "ordinary gunpowder" is prohibited within the city limits. So to do > so in the city would require convincing someone that APCP is less explosive > than "ordinary gunpowder" and that could be challenging but possible as > there are people that handle NH4ClO4 within the city limits. > In any event I hope that the lawsuit gets resolved in our favor as some of > the current regulations are clearly an attempt by the BATF to accomplish > indirectly what they cannot accomplish directly under the statute and > therefore unnecessarily burdensome. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 16:46:44 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:46:44 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: [Jan10] Packard Model Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park Wilsonville Message-ID: <001701c971f3$bf2cddb0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Packard Model Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park Wilsonville There will be a model rocketry event at Memorial Park in Wilsonville, Oregon on January 10th beginning at 12:00pm. Near Portland and easy to find, this is a great time to introduce youth to the science and enjoyment of rocketry. This event is hosted by Keith Packard. We want to thank Keith. OregonRocketry is proud to help Keith Packard with this launch, by helping with ground support and staff to help ensure everyone has a chance to participate. Go get you and your kids some model rockets and some motors. Then join us for an afternoon of fun. Maximum altitude will be determined based on weather conditions. Plan on being ok with A, B, C and D motors, and maybe E if conditions warrant it safely. The last event we were ok with 1000 feet with minimal wind. The Saturday January 10th 2009 Packard Model Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park in Wilsonville Oregon. Wilsonville Memorial Park 8100 SW Wilsonville Rd. Wilsonville, OR 97070 No RSVP necessary. When you arrive at the park turn to the left, and follow the road to the Southeast parking area. You'll see us in the closest baseball field from the parking area. Fliers; Event time is 12:00pm - 3:00pm; all NAR rules apply, plus any additional rules / restrictions for this site. A fliers meeting will be held at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions. LCO tables are not for prep, please use the available tables in the prep area. This is a sanctioned launch event by National Association of Rocketry through NAR section 555 OREO (Steve Tarr). Come prepared for cold weather and wear boots/shoes that will keep feet warm and dry. We need some help to facilitate the launch, if you are willing to assist, please advise. I will be onsite to help Keith facilitate the event. Keith is the event director and has final approval for all aspects of the launch. Support staff; We are planning to arrive by 11:00am to scope out parking and field preference. Keith is bringing a six rod launch pad (has 1/8, 3/8, and 1/4" rods), and I'll be bringing LCO tables, flight line stakes, and my launch controller. So no OROC GSE is needed for this event. We need extra tables for the prep area. The only other thing I can think of is extra Estes ignitors. I'm planning to bring some spare motors and a bunch of different size Estes ignitors... They like to spit too often, so if you have extra ignitors and plungers, and can spare them, please bring. Certainly bring some rockets... I can also bring a bag of dog barf. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Packard Model Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park Wilsonville There will be a model rocketry event at Memorial Park in Wilsonville, Oregon on January 10th?beginning at 12:00pm. Near Portland and easy to find, this is a great time to introduce youth to the science and enjoyment of rocketry. This event is hosted by Keith Packard. We want to thank Keith. OregonRocketry is proud to help Keith Packard with this launch, by helping with ground support and staff to help ensure everyone has a chance to participate. Go get you and your kids some model rockets and some motors. Then join us for an afternoon of fun. Maximum altitude will be determined based on weather conditions.?Plan on being ok with A, B,?C?and D motors, and maybe?E if conditions warrant it safely. The last event we were ok with 1000 feet with minimal wind. The Saturday January 10th 2009?Packard Model Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park in Wilsonville Oregon. Wilsonville Memorial Park 8100 SW Wilsonville Rd. Wilsonville, OR 97070 No RSVP necessary. When you arrive at the park turn to the left, and follow the road to the Southeast parking area. You'll see us in the closest baseball field from the parking area. Fliers; Event time is 12:00pm - 3:00pm; all NAR rules apply, plus any additional rules / restrictions for this site. A fliers meeting will be held?at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions. LCO tables are not for prep, please use the available tables in the prep area. This is a sanctioned launch event by National Association of Rocketry through NAR section 555 OREO (Steve Tarr). Come prepared for cold weather and wear boots/shoes that will keep feet warm and dry. We need some help to facilitate the launch, if you are willing to assist, please advise.?I will be onsite to help Keith facilitate the event. Keith is the event director and has final approval for all aspects of the launch. Support staff; We are planning to arrive by 11:00am to scope out parking and field preference. Keith is bringing a six rod launch pad (has 1/8, 3/8, and 1/4" rods), and I'll be bringing LCO tables, flight line stakes, and my launch controller. So no OROC GSE is needed for this event. We need extra tables for the prep area.?The only other thing I can think of is extra Estes ignitors. I'm planning to bring some spare motors and a bunch of different size Estes ignitors... They like to spit too often, so if you have extra ignitors and plungers, and can spare them, please bring. Certainly bring some rockets... I can also bring a bag of dog barf.? Cheers, Robert From vern_knowles at att.net Thu Jan 8 18:41:36 2009 From: vern_knowles at att.net (Vern Knowles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:41:36 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: Rockets for Sale Message-ID: <002001c97203$cb8725b0$0400a8c0@MainPC> I am forwarding an email from Dave Seter. He has rockets for sale and he asked me to post his email to this forum. See his message below and contact him directly if interested. His email address is: lseter at comcast.net Vern Knowles From: David Seter [mailto:lseter at comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:59 PM To: Vern Knowles Subject: Re: Rockets for Sale Hi Vern, thanks for the reply. If you could forward my email to the subscribers I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks a bunch, Dave Seter David Seter here in Seattle. I used to launch at Monroe with Win Maynard and the gang but have since acquired 4 kids and a couple mortgages and less space. I have four or five high power rockets I'd like to sell if possible to anyone interested dirt cheap as they are just taking up space and gathering dust. The biggest is the PML Bull Dog which has flown once unpainted on a k550 in Spokane years ago. I also have a big Phoenix, a Bull Puppy, a scratch-built upscale Big Bertha and parachutes, kevlar sleeves, igniters etc. Thanks for any help unloading this stuff, hate to see it go to waste- Dave From dougstuiv at onlinenw.com Thu Jan 8 20:59:08 2009 From: dougstuiv at onlinenw.com (Doug Stuivenga) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:59:08 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] A rocketeer, a chemist, and a bioligist... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8401F78BB7C14A81BEB428C276D1AAF7@dougstuivenga> A rocketeer, a chemist, and a biologist get together for a few drinks, and get to talking about life, the Universe, and everything. Eventually the conversation turns to relationships, and what the ideal way to arrange relationships between the sexes would be. The biologist says "Well, as a believer in evolution, I feel that every person should sleep with as many other people as possible, in order to provide the greatest range of potential diversity for natural selection to work on." The chemist says, "No, no, no- that's all wrong. There are some bonds that are just too strong to break, and the marriage bond is one of those. Everyone should be strictly monogamous." They both turn to the rocketeer, who says, "Well, I think I'd sort of split the difference between those. I think every man should have one wife, and one mistress, and furthermore, each should be aware of the other." The other two are absolutely boggled. "Why in the world would you want that?," they ask. "Well," he says, "That way, if I wasn't with my wife, she would assume I was with my mistress. And if I wasn't with my mistress, she would assume I was with my wife. then I could go in the lab and get some rocket work done." (I've long forgotten the source for this but it's not mine.) -DS From vern_knowles at att.net Thu Jan 8 21:47:04 2009 From: vern_knowles at att.net (Vern Knowles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:47:04 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: Rockets for Sale Message-ID: <002d01c9721d$b459eca0$0400a8c0@MainPC> I am forwarding an email from Dave Seter. He has rockets for sale and he asked me to post his email to this forum. See his message below and contact him directly if interested. His email address is: lseter at comcast.net Vern Knowles ********************************************* From: David Seter [mailto:lseter at comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:59 PM To: Vern Knowles Subject: Re: Rockets for Sale Hi Vern, thanks for the reply. If you could forward my email to the subscribers I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks a bunch, Dave Seter David Seter here in Seattle. I used to launch at Monroe with Win Maynard and the gang but have since acquired 4 kids and a couple mortgages and less space. I have four or five high power rockets I'd like to sell if possible to anyone interested dirt cheap as they are just taking up space and gathering dust. The biggest is the PML Bull Dog which has flown once unpainted on a k550 in Spokane years ago. I also have a big Phoenix, a Bull Puppy, a scratch-built upscale Big Bertha and parachutes, kevlar sleeves, igniters etc. Thanks for any help unloading this stuff, hate to see it go to waste- Dave From bigredbee at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 07:06:14 2009 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:06:14 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Quck Shade on sale at REI Message-ID: Quik Shade Summit 100 Instant Shelter $69 at REI http://www.rei.com/product/767472 -- Greg From greg at blastzone.com Fri Jan 9 19:59:16 2009 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:59:16 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] test Message-ID: <070f01c972d7$ced91c80$6c8b5580$@com> Test message, sorry for the noise, please ignore From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 18:28:42 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:28:42 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Krausert Report; Packard Launch @ Memorial Park January 2009 Message-ID: <000c01c97394$533a6620$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Arrived at the site at 11:00am. CarTalk ended so I got out of the vehicle, and checked wind direction. At that time the wind was moving south by south west. Setup a couple tables in a choice spot for the wind. Michael Lockhart arrived and helped haul supplies out. Overall the launch went very well. Only one rocket felt in a tree. We did have another rocket caught in a tree, but was able to recover. Wind direction throughout the launch change 360 degrees. The new PA system worked great. My 6-way controller worked ok. Bumped the voltage to 18, and seemed to be working better. Channel one was dead all day. Once I got home I found that channel one had a cold solder joint. Little cleaning and flux, channel one is now fixed. Having the LCO tables inside the flight line helped this time keep it from becoming a prep area. Keith will announce flight count and types. Turn out was good, and many rockets flew. Was the LCO for most of the day, but thanks to Keith for giving me a break. Great seeing you and thank you all for the help; Mike Lockhart, Gary Harris, Bob & Ian Welsh, Joe Bevier, and our host Keith Packard. I know I missed some. To Sarah and Ellie for some great rocket flights today. Those two have no idea how much they're learning so far, and some day I know they'll be our future scientists / engineers. Home now, feet are warm again... Ready for the next outreach launch. I'd also like to mention we had a pair of kids plus a Dad and son watching the launches. Lets hope the kids are hammering their parents tonight with, "can I get a rocket!!!" "can I get a rocket!!!" "can I get a rocket!!!" "can I get a rocket!!!" Even if we only hooked and reeled in one today, it was worth it. Something however tells me that we got a full stringer today. May their parent take them to the nearest hobby store soon. Great time! Again, thank you all that helped. Great seeing so many OROC friends. For those considering joining us next time, you should. Google map Memorial park. The site is much, much larger than a baseball field. The place surprises many visitors that thought the site would be smaller. And the park staff is great. They carry out a garbage can for us to use each time and also watch us launch during their lunch hour. And for fellow geeks, the site is only 5 blocks from Fry's Electronics. A nice place to visit before or after the launch event. Lastly to Keith Packard for creating and hosting another successful model rocket outreach launch. Job well done!!! OROC is proud to support. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Arrived at the site at 11:00am. CarTalk ended so I got out of the vehicle, and checked wind direction. At that time the wind was moving south by south west. Setup a couple tables in a choice spot for the wind. Michael Lockhart arrived and helped haul supplies out. ? Overall the launch went very well. Only one rocket felt in a tree. We did have another rocket caught in a tree, but was able to recover. Wind direction throughout the launch change 360 degrees. ? The new PA system worked great. My 6-way controller worked ok. Bumped the voltage to 18, and seemed to be working better. Channel one was dead all day. Once I got home I found that channel one had a cold solder joint. Little cleaning and flux, channel one is now fixed. Having the LCO tables inside the flight line helped this time keep it from becoming a prep area. ? Keith will announce flight count and types. Turn out was good, and many rockets flew. Was the LCO for most of the day, but thanks to Keith for giving me a break. ? Great seeing you and thank you all for the help; Mike Lockhart, Gary Harris, Bob & Ian Welsh, Joe Bevier, and our host Keith Packard. I know I missed some. To Sarah and Ellie for some great rocket flights today. Those two have no idea how much they're learning so far, and some day I know they'll be our future scientists / engineers. ? Home now, feet are warm again... Ready for the next outreach launch. I'd also like to mention we had a pair of kids plus?a Dad and son watching the launches. Lets hope the kids are hammering their parents tonight with, "can I get a rocket!!!" "can I get a rocket!!!" "can I get a rocket!!!" "can I get a rocket!!!" Even if we only hooked and reeled in one today, it was worth it. Something however tells me that we got a full stringer?today. May their parent take them to the nearest hobby store soon. ? Great time! Again, thank you all that helped. Great seeing so many OROC friends. ? For those considering joining us next time, you should. Google map Memorial park. The site is much, much larger than a baseball field. The place surprises many visitors that thought the site would be smaller. And the park staff is great. They carry out a garbage can for us to use each time and also watch us launch during their lunch hour. And for fellow geeks, the site is only 5 blocks from Fry's Electronics. A nice place to visit before or after the launch event. ? Lastly to Keith Packard for creating and hosting another successful model rocket outreach launch. Job well done!!! OROC is proud to support. ? Cheers, Robert From eas0171 at gmail.com Sun Jan 11 12:08:41 2009 From: eas0171 at gmail.com (Eugene Samsonov) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:08:41 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE Message-ID: <3D20D3A0E091417D8F151E13AF6E4D37@stktksrv> Being a casual attender to Mansfield launches, I want to bring up a question of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach for others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This would promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... I would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can come up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee or the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O). What do you think? -Eugene From bjarchow at gmail.com Sun Jan 11 15:52:49 2009 From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:52:49 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE In-Reply-To: <3D20D3A0E091417D8F151E13AF6E4D37@stktksrv> References: <3D20D3A0E091417D8F151E13AF6E4D37@stktksrv> Message-ID: I like the idea. A few years ago, just when the ATF decided to do away with the easy access classification, I bought a Hypertek 54mm hybrid system, and so far have never been able to launch with the hybrid motors. At this time I cannot afford my own GSE, but I could afford to go to Mansfield once or twice per year. I would strongly support the WAC if it decided to buy hybrid GSE. Brian On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Eugene Samsonov wrote: > Being a casual attender to Mansfield launches, I want to bring up a > question > of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing > hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly > allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach > for > others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral > part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This > would > promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford > the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a > renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging > contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by > switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find > this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all > the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... I > would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can > come > up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee > or > the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to > Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O). > > What do you think? > > -Eugene -------------- next part -------------- I would strongly support the WAC if it decided to buy hybrid GSE. Brian On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Eugene Samsonov < mailto:eas0171 at gmail.com eas0171 at gmail.com > wrote: Being a casual attender to Mansfield launches, I want to bring up a question of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach for others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This would promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... ?I would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can come up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee or the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O). What do you think? -Eugene From jjarmitage at earthlink.net Sun Jan 11 19:31:00 2009 From: jjarmitage at earthlink.net (jjarmitage at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:31:00 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE Message-ID: <20090112033315.OWIQ1042.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@COM> I would chip in to help in the purchase of the hybrid GSE... Also isn't memorial day the 25th? john.armitage at earthlink.net 253 205 7722 Sent from my Palm Tr?o -----Original Message----- From: "Eugene Samsonov" Subj: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE Date: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:09 pm Size: 1K To: Being a casual attender to Mansfield launches, I want to bring up a question of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach for others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This would promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... I would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can come up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee or the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O). What do you think? -Eugene _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Jan 11 22:23:51 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:23:51 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frozen Thunder rocket launch announcement Message-ID: <496AE1F7.3000402@earthlink.net> Launch Announcement! Launch Announcement! Launch Announcement! Ladies and Gentlemen, Welcome to the Frozen Thunder rocket launch, hosted by no one in particular, which will be held at 60 Acres Park in Redmond, Washington. Launch operations will commence on Sunday, 18 January 2009 at 10:00AM and conclude around 2:00PM or until the rockets get too tired to fly (weather permitting). Any and all rockets within the sound of this launch announcement are invited by the launch announcer to encourage their owners to bring them to this once-in-a-lifetime event. All rockets from 1/4A to (FAR101) G power will be welcome as long as you can land within the confines of the park. Spot landings are encouraged. Please RSVP the launch announcer if you are planning for any FAR101 rockets to take to the skies so the FAA can be contacted prior to launch day. 60 Acres Park is located in the very beautiful, scenic, and sunny metropolis of Redmond, Washington and is very easy to find. If your rocket needs directions to the launch site please enter this address below into Google Earth or other mapping website or software. 15200 NE 116th Street, Remond, WA 98052. The park is split in half by NE 116th street. Launch operations will be conducted on the south field with recovery operations being conducted on both the north and south fields. Parking on the north side is closed but 20 parking spaces are available near the northwest corner of the south field. All rockets will instruct their owners that motorized vehicles are not allowed on either field. For more info you can visit the 60 Acres Park website at http://www.60acres.org/ . The south field camera should be available for virtual spectators. Flying safely is critical to our continued access to the field. Please refrain from landsharking, cruisemissling, lawndarting, and coresampling over the heads of spectators, cars, dogs, dog-walkers, and r/c airplane fliers. Rockets will need to talk to their owners about bringing their own GSE to the launch site as the non-existent launch host has none to provide. If there any newcomers to the hobby please tell your owner to present you to any seasoned rocketeer to verify your stability before flight. Prepping rockets is no fun in the cold so if you plan to attend please remember to dress warmly with hats, coats, and gloves. The fields at 60 Acres can get muddy but they could be covered with snow so don?t forget warm, waterproof footwear. ****In the event of a sudden loss of launch site air pressure**, masks will descend from the cloud ceiling. Stop screaming, grab the mask, and pull it over your face. If you have a small child or spectator launching with you, secure your mask before assisting with theirs. If you are launching with more than one small child, pick your favorite. When you leave the launch site please be sure to take all of your belongings and trash. If you leave anything, please be sure it's something we'd like to have. Even though there are garbage containers on the field, they don't get emptied on a regular basis. We'd like to thank you folks who will allow your rockets to come flying with us at Frozen Thunder. And, the next time you get the insane urge to go blasting through the skies in an unpressurized metal tube, we hope you'll think and visualize Black Rock. See you at the launch! From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 21:25:04 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:25:04 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches Message-ID: <001901c9753f$4b211ae0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Last year Oregon Rocketry tested doing a Showcase event during the Saturday dinner quiet time during a launch. The gathering was at 7pm and the subject for that Showcase was Electronic bays. You can see pictures of the preliminary Showcase event in July at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/mult-pics.htm. It was successful and positive feedback for doing it. Oregon Rocketry is interested in continuing these events. This is sharing of ideas and knowledge between members. Whether new or long timer, these Showcase events are intented to share ideas, methods, and knowledge, etc. A great collaboration time between members. While we still have time before the May launch, I'd like your feedback and get your ideas for the up coming OROC launches. What topics would you like to see covered during the 2009 Showcase events? Sharing of methods? Reasons for construction in certain ways? If you're planning to attend an OROC event; what Showcase topics would you like to attend or participate in? Send your Ideas. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Last year Oregon Rocketry tested doing a Showcase event during the Saturday dinner quiet time during a launch. The gathering was at 7pm and the subject for that Showcase was Electronic bays. You can see pictures of the preliminary Showcase event in July at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/mult-pics.htm http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/mult-pics.htm . It was successful and positive feedback for doing it. ? Oregon Rocketry is interested in continuing these events. This is sharing of ideas and knowledge between members. Whether new or long timer, these Showcase events are intented to share ideas, methods, and knowledge, etc. A great collaboration time between members. While we still have time before the May launch, I'd like your feedback and get your ideas for the up coming OROC launches. ? What topics would you like to see covered during the 2009 Showcase events? Sharing of methods? Reasons for construction in certain ways? ? If you're planning to attend an OROC event; what Showcase topics would you like to attend or participate in? Send your Ideas. ? Cheers, Robert From vonrang at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 09:01:06 2009 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:01:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches In-Reply-To: <001901c9753f$4b211ae0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <694784.38325.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This was a great event at the July 2008 launch (inspite of losing TCIII on Sunday). It provided a real community environment at the event that allowed members and visitors to meet, get to know each other share techniques, ideas and upbuild one another. It is exactly what the club needs to build and retain membership. This should be a part of every launch! I will miss Brothers, OR. It was great flying out there with OROC. Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Robert Krausert wrote: > From: Robert Krausert > Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com, members at oregonrocketry.org > Cc: Bod at oregonrocketry.org > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:25 PM > Last year Oregon Rocketry tested doing a Showcase event > during the Saturday dinner quiet time during a launch. The > gathering was at 7pm and the subject for that Showcase was > Electronic bays. You can see pictures of the preliminary > Showcase event in July at > http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/mult-pics.htm. It was > successful and positive feedback for doing it. > > Oregon Rocketry is interested in continuing these events. > This is sharing of ideas and knowledge between members. > Whether new or long timer, these Showcase events are > intented to share ideas, methods, and knowledge, etc. A > great collaboration time between members. While we still > have time before the May launch, I'd like your feedback > and get your ideas for the up coming OROC launches. > > What topics would you like to see covered during the 2009 > Showcase events? Sharing of methods? Reasons for > construction in certain ways? > > If you're planning to attend an OROC event; what > Showcase topics would you like to attend or participate in? > Send your Ideas. > > Cheers, > Robert_______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From eas0171 at gmail.com Tue Jan 13 13:20:56 2009 From: eas0171 at gmail.com (Eugene Samsonov) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:20:56 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE References: <20090112033315.OWIQ1042.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@COM> Message-ID: <22BED118B3284878BB77E25EFDD02C47@stktksrv> Anyone from WAC leadership to chime in? What is the major obstacle with having hybrid GSE? Costs? Transportation? Need to refill? -Eugene ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE I would chip in to help in the purchase of the hybrid GSE... Also isn't memorial day the 25th? john.armitage at earthlink.net 253 205 7722 Sent from my Palm Tr?o -----Original Message----- From: "Eugene Samsonov" Subj: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE Date: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:09 pm Size: 1K To: Being a casual attender to Mansfield launches, I want to bring up a question of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach for others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This would promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... I would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can come up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee or the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O). What do you think? -Eugene _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From carl at mousetrap.com Tue Jan 13 13:56:55 2009 From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:56:55 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE In-Reply-To: <22BED118B3284878BB77E25EFDD02C47@stktksrv> References: <20090112033315.OWIQ1042.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@COM> <22BED118B3284878BB77E25EFDD02C47@stktksrv> Message-ID: Eugene - I would say that the biggest reason that the WAC hasn't invested in hybrid GSE is lack of demand. I don't remember a single launch over the last few years where somebody couldn't fly their hybrid because the club didn't provide the appropriate GSE. As you point out, hybrid fliers have always been very generous in letting others use their GSE. Dave Woodard, of PSP, has also made it pretty clear that they would make sure that hybrid GSE was available for those who needed it. Maintenance is another factor to consider when evaluating whether the club should invest in hybrid GSE. We have a fair amount of trouble keeping our existing equipment running reliably. My guess is that if the club were to invest, we would only budget for a single fill tank, a single fill valve, and a single dump valve. If any one of these components malfunctioned, the GSE would be unusable. So, should we budget for redundant components, prioritize our maintenance time for the the hybrid gear, or just live with fact that it might be unreliable? Oh yeah, do you want to fly HyperTek hybrids or monotubes? Should the club invest in all of the gear to launch *any* system currently available? Don't get me wrong, I think it would be great if the club provided hybrid GSE, but at this point, I just don't see the need. - Carl 2009/1/13 Eugene Samsonov > Anyone from WAC leadership to chime in? What is the major obstacle with > having hybrid GSE? Costs? Transportation? Need to refill? > > -Eugene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE > > > I would chip in to help in the purchase of the hybrid GSE... > > Also isn't memorial day the 25th? > > john.armitage at earthlink.net > 253 205 7722 > Sent from my Palm Tr??o > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Eugene Samsonov" > Subj: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE > Date: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:09 pm > Size: 1K > To: > > Being a casual attender to Mansfield launches, I want to bring up a > question > of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing > hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly > allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach > for > others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral > part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This > would > promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford > the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a > renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging > contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by > switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find > this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all > the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... I > would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can > come > up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee > or > the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to > Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O). > > What do you think? > > -Eugene > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- I would say that the biggest reason that the WAC hasn't invested in hybrid GSE is lack of demand. I don't remember a single launch over the last few years where somebody couldn't fly their hybrid because the club didn't provide the appropriate GSE. As you point out, hybrid fliers have always been very generous in letting others use their GSE. Dave Woodard, of PSP, has also made it pretty clear that they would make sure that hybrid GSE was available for those who needed it. Maintenance is another factor to consider when evaluating whether the club should invest in hybrid GSE. We have a fair amount of trouble keeping our existing equipment running reliably. My guess is that if the club were to invest, we would only budget for a single fill tank, a single fill valve, and a single dump valve. If any one of these components malfunctioned, the GSE would be unusable. So, should we budget for redundant components, prioritize our maintenance time for the the hybrid gear, or just live with fact that it might be unreliable? Oh yeah, do you want to fly HyperTek hybrids or monotubes? Should the club invest in all of the gear to launch *any* system currently available? Don't get me wrong, I think it would be great if the club provided hybrid GSE, but at this point, I just don't see the need. ?- Carl 2009/1/13 Eugene Samsonov < mailto:eas0171 at gmail.com eas0171 at gmail.com > Anyone from WAC leadership to chime in? What is the major obstacle with having hybrid GSE? Costs? Transportation? Need to refill? -Eugene ----- Original Message ----- From: < mailto:jjarmitage at earthlink.net jjarmitage at earthlink.net > To: < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE I would chip in to help in the purchase of the hybrid GSE... Also isn't memorial day the 25th? mailto:john.armitage at earthlink.net john.armitage at earthlink.net 253 205 7722 Sent from my Palm Tr??o -----Original Message----- From: ?"Eugene Samsonov" < mailto:eas0171 at gmail.com eas0171 at gmail.com > Subj: ?[RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE Date: ?Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:09 pm Size: ?1K To: ?< mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Being a casual attender to Mansfield launches, I want to bring up a question of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach for others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This would promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... ?I would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can come up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee or the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O). 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From dennys at carnitech.net Tue Jan 13 14:05:44 2009 From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:05:44 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE In-Reply-To: <22BED118B3284878BB77E25EFDD02C47@stktksrv> References: <20090112033315.OWIQ1042.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@COM> <22BED118B3284878BB77E25EFDD02C47@stktksrv> Message-ID: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005106D80EC@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> I'm certainly not "WAC leadership", but this is probably a topic to bring up at the next WAC meeting. I know this subject has come up at past meetings, but I can't remember exactly what the results of those conversations were. In any case, I would guess that if there were enough interest in members making use of hybrid GSE, it's something that the club could make available. -Denny -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Samsonov [mailto:eas0171 at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:21 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE Anyone from WAC leadership to chime in? What is the major obstacle with having hybrid GSE? Costs? Transportation? Need to refill? -Eugene ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE I would chip in to help in the purchase of the hybrid GSE... Also isn't memorial day the 25th? john.armitage at earthlink.net 253 205 7722 Sent from my Palm Tr?o -----Original Message----- From: "Eugene Samsonov" Subj: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE Date: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:09 pm Size: 1K To: Being a casual attender to Mansfield launches, I want to bring up a question of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach for others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This would promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... I would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can come up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee or the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O). What do you think? -Eugene _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From kent.newman at comcast.net Tue Jan 13 14:49:54 2009 From: kent.newman at comcast.net (kent.newman at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:49:54 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE Message-ID: <011320092249.17668.496D1A92000027AF000045042213528573020E03990A02D29B020A05@comcast.net> Let me piggy-back onto what Carl has stated, Eugene. The club is already in the process of upgrading more widely used GSE in the form of new high power pads, a club trailer (a major expense, of course), a new controller, and, with this year, the completion of new controllers and a new public address system. Purchasing hybrid GSE is just not a possibility even if the demand would be recognized right now. Having said that, you make two points that deserve more attention: 1) "This would promote hybrids and the hobby in general....." Very true. Making hybrid GSE available could very well increase the interest in hybrid technology especially with the current ATF environment. 2) " ..would rather invest..." finding it "impractical,....logistically". As Carl has said, there are variations on the hybrid theme that complicate the selection of hybrid GSE. I can tell you that there are not many regular fliers within the club (that I'm aware of) who are knowledgeable of purchasing and maintaining such equipment. With that being the case and seeing that at least 3 members are interested in hybrid technology immediately, let me suggest that the three of you consider purchasing the equipment as a group. Your group may set it up on-site, maintain it and instruct others to do it while promoting the use of hybrid technology. Charge whatever you feel is appropriate. The club would certainly consider storing and transporting it with the club GSE. Over time and with increasing demand, I'm sure that WAC would consider making the investment by either purchasing your equipment or replacing it. People in situations similar to yours that might be experiencing the early needs for a technology or, in this case, GSE, often will pool their resources and supply the equipment themselves. I've personally been involved in doing this over the years with large rocket launch pads, launch controllers, GPS and RF locator equipment, for example. Let us know your thoughts. Regards, Kent Newman -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Carl Hamilton > Eugene - > I would say that the biggest reason that the WAC hasn't invested in hybrid > GSE is lack of demand. I don't remember a single launch over the last few > years where somebody couldn't fly their hybrid because the club didn't > provide the appropriate GSE. As you point out, hybrid fliers have always > been very generous in letting others use their GSE. Dave Woodard, of PSP, > has also made it pretty clear that they would make sure that hybrid GSE was > available for those who needed it. > > Maintenance is another factor to consider when evaluating whether the club > should invest in hybrid GSE. We have a fair amount of trouble keeping our > existing equipment running reliably. My guess is that if the club were to > invest, we would only budget for a single fill tank, a single fill valve, > and a single dump valve. If any one of these components malfunctioned, the > GSE would be unusable. So, should we budget for redundant components, > prioritize our maintenance time for the the hybrid gear, or just live with > fact that it might be unreliable? Oh yeah, do you want to fly HyperTek > hybrids or monotubes? Should the club invest in all of the gear to launch > *any* system currently available? > > Don't get me wrong, I think it would be great if the club provided hybrid > GSE, but at this point, I just don't see the need. > > - Carl > > 2009/1/13 Eugene Samsonov > > > Anyone from WAC leadership to chime in? What is the major obstacle with > > having hybrid GSE? Costs? Transportation? Need to refill? > > > > -Eugene > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE > > > > > > I would chip in to help in the purchase of the hybrid GSE... > > > > Also isn't memorial day the 25th? > > > > john.armitage at earthlink.net > > 253 205 7722 > > Sent from my Palm Tr??o > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: "Eugene Samsonov" > > Subj: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE > > Date: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:09 pm > > Size: 1K > > To: > > > > Being a casual attender to Mansfield launches, I want to bring up a > > question > > of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing > > hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly > > allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach > > for > > others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral > > part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This > > would > > promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford > > the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a > > renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging > > contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by > > switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find > > this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all > > the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... I > > would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can > > come > > up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee > > or > > the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to > > Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O). > > > > What do you think? > > > > -Eugene > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Carl Hamilton Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:57:27 +0000 Size: 9252 Url: http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20090113/e526ca21/attachment-0001.eml From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Tue Jan 13 14:56:39 2009 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:56:39 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE In-Reply-To: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005106D80EC@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> References: <20090112033315.OWIQ1042.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@COM> <22BED118B3284878BB77E25EFDD02C47@stktksrv> <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005106D80EC@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Message-ID: <496D1C27.8010309@hawkfeather.com> After raising this over the years, it's generally been the case that the stated interest is much greater than ends up happening. I know it's chicken/egg, ie not GSE = no hybrids, but even with Bill, PSP, and myself having GSE with occasional support from WCH, very little flying has happened beyond those who invested in the GSE. It would be great to have GSE and thus more hybrid flying, but the logistics & expenses are non insignificant to cover all monotubes, and more to handle Hypertek. Informal poll: how many actually have hybrid motors? Andrew. Denny Smith wrote: > I'm certainly not "WAC leadership", but this is probably a topic to bring up at the next WAC meeting. I know this subject has come up at past meetings, but I can't remember exactly what the results of those conversations were. In any case, I would guess that if there were enough interest in members making use of hybrid GSE, it's something that the club could make available. > > -Denny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eugene Samsonov [mailto:eas0171 at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:21 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE > > Anyone from WAC leadership to chime in? What is the major obstacle with > having hybrid GSE? Costs? Transportation? Need to refill? > > -Eugene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE > > > I would chip in to help in the purchase of the hybrid GSE... > > Also isn't memorial day the 25th? > > john.armitage at earthlink.net > 253 205 7722 > Sent from my Palm Tr?o > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Eugene Samsonov" > Subj: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE > Date: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:09 pm > Size: 1K > To: > > Being a casual attender to Mansfield launches, I want to bring up a question > of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing > hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly > allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach for > others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral > part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This would > promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford > the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a > renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging > contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by > switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find > this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all > the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... I > would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can come > up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee or > the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to > Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O). > > What do you think? > > -Eugene > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From bjarchow at gmail.com Tue Jan 13 15:08:05 2009 From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:08:05 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE In-Reply-To: <496D1C27.8010309@hawkfeather.com> References: <20090112033315.OWIQ1042.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@COM> <22BED118B3284878BB77E25EFDD02C47@stktksrv> <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005106D80EC@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> <496D1C27.8010309@hawkfeather.com> Message-ID: 2009/1/13 Andrew MacMillen > Informal poll: how many actually have hybrid motors? > > Andrew. I have six Hypertek grains, one injector, and 300, 440, and 835 cc nitrous tanks. I took the equipment to one launch, hoping to do L2 with a Hypertek motor, but the person with appropriate GSE couldn't get it to work. At a second launch I didn't find anybody with Hypertek GSE, and before one other launch I tried asking if anybody would have GSE but didn't get a response in time to free my schedule. Brian Jarchow -------------- next part -------------- < mailto:andrewm at hawkfeather.com andrewm at hawkfeather.com > Informal poll: how many actually have hybrid motors? Andrew. I have six Hypertek grains, one injector, and 300, 440, and 835 cc nitrous tanks. I took the equipment to one launch, hoping to do L2 with a Hypertek motor, but the person with appropriate GSE couldn't get it to work. At a second launch I didn't find anybody with Hypertek GSE, and before one other launch I tried asking if anybody would have GSE but didn't get a response in time to free my schedule. Brian Jarchow From appusher at q.com Tue Jan 13 17:10:49 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:10:49 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE In-Reply-To: <496D1C27.8010309@hawkfeather.com> References: <20090112033315.OWIQ1042.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@COM> <22BED118B3284878BB77E25EFDD02C47@stktksrv> <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005106D80EC@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> <496D1C27.8010309@hawkfeather.com> Message-ID: Eugene and all interested in Hybrid System launches at Mansfield sponsored by WAC: Dave (mostly) and I pretty much have our system perfected as far as the GSE. We also are currently carrying Skyripper Hybrid motor hardware. Initially had an issue with the motor design and the GSE. Dave did some testing and found that our issue with producing ignition was a simple fix of putting teflon tape on the threads for the fill tube. The blow by was chilling the starter grain to a temperature far below ignition temperature. We plan on doing some testing at the Rocket Ranch Campground in the next few weeks for ignition consistency. Please understand what I going to say is from a flyers stance....not a vendor: Andrew, Bill, and Dave all have GSE that is working to some degree or another. Most all three have spent quite an investment of time and money to get where they are today. Andrew has pioneered the hybrid flight and worked out many of the kinks for the rest of us. I can't even guess the hours Dave has put into making ours work. We have chosen Skyripper's hardware and systems for their simplicity in use. Really, it is very simple to assemble a Skyripper motor. Now that we have the GSE and Ignition checklist down.....that is simple as well. AND mostly ATF-FREE. Andrew, Carl, Kent have all said the same thing about having the club own and maintain a GSE for all flyers. Expensive and time consuming when as a club, it should cater to the masses. Dave and I are planning to attend and vend at all WAC launches in 2009 as well as some of the other regional club launches. Dave and I have a number of hybrid projects in the works so we will be bring the hybrid GSE. We have a good size tank but it only holds so much. We will offer up our GSE for anyone that asks to use it. Here's our suggestion for common use of a particular GSE; PLAN AHEAD for adaptation of your system to ANYONE's GSE. They don't all match up. If you are really dead set on going to the "darkside being a gas-passer", then take the plunge and buy a tank and what ever adaptors needed to be able to use a given GSE. Talk to everyone you can about hybrids and how they work. Ask questions of those that are active with hybrids. What not to do is post a note on the list to see if anyone will be bringing a hybrid GSE. Would you even know if your hardware will match up? Stop by our Traveling AP Tent and let's talk about getting you started with your hardware or changing over to a commonly used hardware. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:56:39 -0800> From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com> To: dennys at carnitech.net> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE> > After raising this over the years, it's generally been the case that the > stated interest is much greater than ends up happening. I know it's > chicken/egg, ie not GSE = no hybrids, but even with Bill, PSP, and > myself having GSE with occasional support from WCH, very little flying > has happened beyond those who invested in the GSE.> > It would be great to have GSE and thus more hybrid flying, but the > logistics & expenses are non insignificant to cover all monotubes, and > more to handle Hypertek.> > Informal poll: how many actually have hybrid motors?> > Andrew.> > Denny Smith wrote:> > I'm certainly not "WAC leadership", but this is probably a topic to bring up at the next WAC meeting. I know this subject has come up at past meetings, but I can't remember exactly what the results of those conversations were. In any case, I would guess that if there were enough interest in members making use of hybrid GSE, it's something that the club could make available.> > > > -Denny> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: Eugene Samsonov [mailto:eas0171 at gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:21 PM> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE> > > > Anyone from WAC leadership to chime in? What is the major obstacle with > > having hybrid GSE? Costs? Transportation? Need to refill?> > > > -Eugene> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:31 PM> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE> > > > > > I would chip in to help in the purchase of the hybrid GSE...> > > > Also isn't memorial day the 25th?> > > > john.armitage at earthlink.net> > 253 205 7722> > Sent from my Palm Tr?o> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: "Eugene Samsonov" > > Subj: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE> > Date: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:09 pm> > Size: 1K> > To: > > > > Being a casual attender to Mansfield launches, I want to bring up a question> > of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing> > hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly> > allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach for> > others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral> > part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This would> > promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford> > the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a> > renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging> > contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by> > switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find> > this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all> > the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... I> > would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can come> > up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee or> > the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to> > Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O).> > > > What do you think?> > > > -Eugene> > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- Eugene and all interested in Hybrid System launches at Mansfield sponsored by WAC: ? Dave? (mostly) and I pretty much have our system perfected as far as the GSE.? We also are currently carrying Skyripper Hybrid motor hardware. Initially had an issue with the motor design and the GSE.? Dave did some testing and found that our issue with producing ignition was a simple fix of putting teflon tape on the threads for the fill tube. The blow by was chilling the starter grain to a temperature far below ignition temperature.? We plan on doing some testing at the Rocket Ranch Campground in the next few weeks for ignition consistency. ? Please understand what I going to say is from a flyers stance....not a vendor: ? Andrew, Bill, and Dave all have GSE that is working to some degree or another.? Most all three have spent quite an investment of time and money to get where they are today.? Andrew has pioneered the hybrid flight and worked out many of the kinks for the rest of us.? I can't even guess the hours Dave has put into making? ours work.? We have chosen Skyripper's hardware and systems for their simplicity in use.? Really, it is very simple to assemble a Skyripper motor. Now that we have the GSE and Ignition checklist down.....that is simple as well.? AND mostly ATF-FREE. ? Andrew, Carl, Kent have all said the same thing about having the club? own and maintain a GSE for all flyers.? Expensive and time consuming when as a club, it should cater to the masses. Dave and I are planning to attend and vend at all WAC launches in 2009 as well as some of the other regional club launches.? Dave and I have a number of hybrid projects in the works so we will be bring the hybrid GSE. We have a good size tank but it only holds so much.? We will offer up our GSE for anyone that asks to use it.? ? Here's our suggestion for common use of a particular GSE; ? PLAN AHEAD for adaptation of your system to ANYONE's GSE.? They don't all match up.? If you are really dead set on going to the "darkside being a gas-passer", then take the plunge and buy a tank and what ever adaptors needed to be able to use a given GSE.? Talk to everyone you can about hybrids and how they work.? Ask questions of those that are active with hybrids.? ? What not to do is post a note on the list to see if anyone will be bringing a hybrid GSE.? Would you even know if your hardware will match up? ? Stop by our Traveling AP Tent and let's talk about getting you started with your hardware or changing over to a commonly used hardware. ? ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:56:39 -0800 > From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com > To: dennys at carnitech.net > CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE > > After raising this over the years, it's generally been the case that the > stated interest is much greater than ends up happening. I know it's > chicken/egg, ie not GSE = no hybrids, but even with Bill, PSP, and > myself having GSE with occasional support from WCH, very little flying > has happened beyond those who invested in the GSE. > > It would be great to have GSE and thus more hybrid flying, but the > logistics & expenses are non insignificant to cover all monotubes, and > more to handle Hypertek. > > Informal poll: how many actually have hybrid motors? > > Andrew. > > Denny Smith wrote: > > I'm certainly not "WAC leadership", but this is probably a topic to bring up at the next WAC meeting. I know this subject has come up at past meetings, but I can't remember exactly what the results of those conversations were. In any case, I would guess that if there were enough interest in members making use of hybrid GSE, it's something that the club could make available. > > > > -Denny > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eugene Samsonov [mailto:eas0171 at gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:21 PM > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE > > > > Anyone from WAC leadership to chime in? What is the major obstacle with > > having hybrid GSE? Costs? Transportation? Need to refill? > > > > -Eugene > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE > > > > > > I would chip in to help in the purchase of the hybrid GSE... > > > > Also isn't memorial day the 25th? > > > > john.armitage at earthlink.net > > 253 205 7722 > > Sent from my Palm Tr?o > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: "Eugene Samsonov" > > Subj: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE > > Date: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:09 pm > > Size: 1K > > To: > > > > Being a casual attender to Mansfield launches, I want to bring up a question > > of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing > > hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly > > allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach for > > others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral > > part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This would > > promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford > > the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a > > renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging > > contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by > > switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find > > this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all > > the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... I > > would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can come > > up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee or > > the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to > > Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O). > > > > What do you think? > > > > -Eugene > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From vonrang at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 19:47:53 2009 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:47:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches In-Reply-To: <002c01c975e1$cf88cbf0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <43.90765.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I accepted a promotion with the Kroger Company. I am now heading up plant floor automation at the Country Oven Bakery in Bowling Green, Kentucky. My wife Vici and I just arrived in Bowling Green on January 3rd. I'll be joining the Bluegrass Rocketry Society. They conduct launches every 2nd Saturday of the month in Mt. Sherman, KY, about an hour and a half from Bowling Green. 22K waiver (not bad for the south, central, east coast). Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Robert Krausert wrote: > From: Robert Krausert > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches > To: vonrang at yahoo.com > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 4:48 PM > Sam, > Miss Bro's? What happened? Did you move? > > Thank you for the kind words about the showcase events. > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Grado" > To: ; > ; "Robert > Krausert" > > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:01 AM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches > > > > This was a great event at the July 2008 launch > (inspite of losing TCIII on > > Sunday). > > > > It provided a real community environment at the event > that allowed members > > and visitors to meet, get to know each other share > techniques, ideas and > > upbuild one another. > > > > It is exactly what the club needs to build and retain > membership. > > > > This should be a part of every launch! > > > > I will miss Brothers, OR. It was great flying out > there with OROC. > > > > Sam Grado > > TRA-L2 > > > > "If you're going to build it, build it from > scratch!" > > > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Robert Krausert > wrote: > > > >> From: Robert Krausert > > >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 > launches > >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com, > members at oregonrocketry.org > >> Cc: Bod at oregonrocketry.org > >> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:25 PM > >> Last year Oregon Rocketry tested doing a Showcase > event > >> during the Saturday dinner quiet time during a > launch. The > >> gathering was at 7pm and the subject for that > Showcase was > >> Electronic bays. You can see pictures of the > preliminary > >> Showcase event in July at > >> http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/mult-pics.htm. > It was > >> successful and positive feedback for doing it. > >> > >> Oregon Rocketry is interested in continuing these > events. > >> This is sharing of ideas and knowledge between > members. > >> Whether new or long timer, these Showcase events > are > >> intented to share ideas, methods, and knowledge, > etc. A > >> great collaboration time between members. While we > still > >> have time before the May launch, I'd like your > feedback > >> and get your ideas for the up coming OROC > launches. > >> > >> What topics would you like to see covered during > the 2009 > >> Showcase events? Sharing of methods? Reasons for > >> construction in certain ways? > >> > >> If you're planning to attend an OROC event; > what > >> Showcase topics would you like to attend or > participate in? > >> Send your Ideas. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > Robert_______________________________________________ > >> Rockets mailing list > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > From stefan_jones at comcast.net Tue Jan 13 20:00:49 2009 From: stefan_jones at comcast.net (stefan_jones at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:00:49 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches Message-ID: <011420090400.10295.496D6371000795230000283722058891169C0A020106A1020E000A9B9C@comcast.net> Best of luck on your move! You're not too far from the regional launches in Culpepper, Virginia. When I was with the LIARS we always looked forward to those. -- http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Sam Grado > I accepted a promotion with the Kroger Company. I am now heading up plant floor > automation at the Country Oven Bakery in Bowling Green, Kentucky. My wife Vici > and I just arrived in Bowling Green on January 3rd. > > I'll be joining the Bluegrass Rocketry Society. They conduct launches every 2nd > Saturday of the month in Mt. Sherman, KY, about an hour and a half from Bowling > Green. 22K waiver (not bad for the south, central, east coast). > > Sam Grado > TRA-L2 > > "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Robert Krausert wrote: > > > From: Robert Krausert > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches > > To: vonrang at yahoo.com > > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 4:48 PM > > Sam, > > Miss Bro's? What happened? Did you move? > > > > Thank you for the kind words about the showcase events. > > > > Cheers, > > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sam Grado" > > To: ; > > ; "Robert > > Krausert" > > > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches > > > > > > > This was a great event at the July 2008 launch > > (inspite of losing TCIII on > > > Sunday). > > > > > > It provided a real community environment at the event > > that allowed members > > > and visitors to meet, get to know each other share > > techniques, ideas and > > > upbuild one another. > > > > > > It is exactly what the club needs to build and retain > > membership. > > > > > > This should be a part of every launch! > > > > > > I will miss Brothers, OR. It was great flying out > > there with OROC. > > > > > > Sam Grado > > > TRA-L2 > > > > > > "If you're going to build it, build it from > > scratch!" > > > > > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > > > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > > > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Robert Krausert > > wrote: > > > > > >> From: Robert Krausert > > > > >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 > > launches > > >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com, > > members at oregonrocketry.org > > >> Cc: Bod at oregonrocketry.org > > >> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:25 PM > > >> Last year Oregon Rocketry tested doing a Showcase > > event > > >> during the Saturday dinner quiet time during a > > launch. The > > >> gathering was at 7pm and the subject for that > > Showcase was > > >> Electronic bays. You can see pictures of the > > preliminary > > >> Showcase event in July at > > >> http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/mult-pics.htm. > > It was > > >> successful and positive feedback for doing it. > > >> > > >> Oregon Rocketry is interested in continuing these > > events. > > >> This is sharing of ideas and knowledge between > > members. > > >> Whether new or long timer, these Showcase events > > are > > >> intented to share ideas, methods, and knowledge, > > etc. A > > >> great collaboration time between members. While we > > still > > >> have time before the May launch, I'd like your > > feedback > > >> and get your ideas for the up coming OROC > > launches. > > >> > > >> What topics would you like to see covered during > > the 2009 > > >> Showcase events? Sharing of methods? Reasons for > > >> construction in certain ways? > > >> > > >> If you're planning to attend an OROC event; > > what > > >> Showcase topics would you like to attend or > > participate in? > > >> Send your Ideas. > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > Robert_______________________________________________ > > >> Rockets mailing list > > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From vonrang at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 20:15:38 2009 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:15:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches In-Reply-To: <011420090400.10295.496D6371000795230000283722058891169C0A020106A1020E000A9B9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <883156.93614.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> How do I know you're not lying now? 8^{P Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Tue, 1/13/09, stefan_jones at comcast.net wrote: > From: stefan_jones at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches > To: "Sam Grado" , rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 8:00 PM > Best of luck on your move! > > You're not too far from the regional launches in > Culpepper, Virginia. When I was with the LIARS we always > looked forward to those. > > -- > http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Sam Grado > > I accepted a promotion with the Kroger Company. I am > now heading up plant floor > > automation at the Country Oven Bakery in Bowling > Green, Kentucky. My wife Vici > > and I just arrived in Bowling Green on January 3rd. > > > > I'll be joining the Bluegrass Rocketry Society. > They conduct launches every 2nd > > Saturday of the month in Mt. Sherman, KY, about an > hour and a half from Bowling > > Green. 22K waiver (not bad for the south, central, > east coast). > > > > Sam Grado > > TRA-L2 > > > > "If you're going to build it, build it from > scratch!" > > > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Robert Krausert > wrote: > > > > > From: Robert Krausert > > > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 > launches > > > To: vonrang at yahoo.com > > > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 4:48 PM > > > Sam, > > > Miss Bro's? What happened? Did you move? > > > > > > Thank you for the kind words about the showcase > events. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Robert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sam Grado" > > > > To: ; > > > ; "Robert > > > Krausert" > > > > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:01 AM > > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 > launches > > > > > > > > > > This was a great event at the July 2008 > launch > > > (inspite of losing TCIII on > > > > Sunday). > > > > > > > > It provided a real community environment at > the event > > > that allowed members > > > > and visitors to meet, get to know each other > share > > > techniques, ideas and > > > > upbuild one another. > > > > > > > > It is exactly what the club needs to build > and retain > > > membership. > > > > > > > > This should be a part of every launch! > > > > > > > > I will miss Brothers, OR. It was great > flying out > > > there with OROC. > > > > > > > > Sam Grado > > > > TRA-L2 > > > > > > > > "If you're going to build it, build > it from > > > scratch!" > > > > > > > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > > > > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Robert Krausert > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> From: Robert Krausert > > > > > > >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for > 2009 > > > launches > > > >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com, > > > members at oregonrocketry.org > > > >> Cc: Bod at oregonrocketry.org > > > >> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:25 PM > > > >> Last year Oregon Rocketry tested doing a > Showcase > > > event > > > >> during the Saturday dinner quiet time > during a > > > launch. The > > > >> gathering was at 7pm and the subject for > that > > > Showcase was > > > >> Electronic bays. You can see pictures of > the > > > preliminary > > > >> Showcase event in July at > > > >> > http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/mult-pics.htm. > > > It was > > > >> successful and positive feedback for > doing it. > > > >> > > > >> Oregon Rocketry is interested in > continuing these > > > events. > > > >> This is sharing of ideas and knowledge > between > > > members. > > > >> Whether new or long timer, these > Showcase events > > > are > > > >> intented to share ideas, methods, and > knowledge, > > > etc. A > > > >> great collaboration time between > members. While we > > > still > > > >> have time before the May launch, I'd > like your > > > feedback > > > >> and get your ideas for the up coming > OROC > > > launches. > > > >> > > > >> What topics would you like to see > covered during > > > the 2009 > > > >> Showcase events? Sharing of methods? > Reasons for > > > >> construction in certain ways? > > > >> > > > >> If you're planning to attend an OROC > event; > > > what > > > >> Showcase topics would you like to attend > or > > > participate in? > > > >> Send your Ideas. > > > >> > > > >> Cheers, > > > >> > > > > Robert_______________________________________________ > > > >> Rockets mailing list > > > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > > >> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Tue Jan 13 20:16:37 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:16:37 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches References: <43.90765.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005101c975fe$e5a77630$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Sam, I'm certainly happy about the promotion. And I wish you and Vici the very best. We are sad to see you leave. You are always welcome at a OROC event. Glad you found a local club and waiver seems really good. Take care. Great wiskes to you and Vici in 2009 and beyond. If you're ever visiting the area, join us for some great AP smoke in morning. You know where to find us. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Grado" To: "Robert Krausert" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches >I accepted a promotion with the Kroger Company. I am now heading up plant >floor automation at the Country Oven Bakery in Bowling Green, Kentucky. My >wife Vici and I just arrived in Bowling Green on January 3rd. > > I'll be joining the Bluegrass Rocketry Society. They conduct launches > every 2nd Saturday of the month in Mt. Sherman, KY, about an hour and a > half from Bowling Green. 22K waiver (not bad for the south, central, east > coast). > > Sam Grado > TRA-L2 > > "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Robert Krausert wrote: > >> From: Robert Krausert >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches >> To: vonrang at yahoo.com >> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 4:48 PM >> Sam, >> Miss Bro's? What happened? Did you move? >> >> Thank you for the kind words about the showcase events. >> >> Cheers, >> Robert >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sam Grado" >> To: ; >> ; "Robert >> Krausert" >> >> Cc: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches >> >> >> > This was a great event at the July 2008 launch >> (inspite of losing TCIII on >> > Sunday). >> > >> > It provided a real community environment at the event >> that allowed members >> > and visitors to meet, get to know each other share >> techniques, ideas and >> > upbuild one another. >> > >> > It is exactly what the club needs to build and retain >> membership. >> > >> > This should be a part of every launch! >> > >> > I will miss Brothers, OR. It was great flying out >> there with OROC. >> > >> > Sam Grado >> > TRA-L2 >> > >> > "If you're going to build it, build it from >> scratch!" >> > >> > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html >> > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets >> > samgrado at pvconly.com >> > >> > >> > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Robert Krausert >> wrote: >> > >> >> From: Robert Krausert >> >> >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 >> launches >> >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com, >> members at oregonrocketry.org >> >> Cc: Bod at oregonrocketry.org >> >> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:25 PM >> >> Last year Oregon Rocketry tested doing a Showcase >> event >> >> during the Saturday dinner quiet time during a >> launch. The >> >> gathering was at 7pm and the subject for that >> Showcase was >> >> Electronic bays. You can see pictures of the >> preliminary >> >> Showcase event in July at >> >> http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/mult-pics.htm. >> It was >> >> successful and positive feedback for doing it. >> >> >> >> Oregon Rocketry is interested in continuing these >> events. >> >> This is sharing of ideas and knowledge between >> members. >> >> Whether new or long timer, these Showcase events >> are >> >> intented to share ideas, methods, and knowledge, >> etc. A >> >> great collaboration time between members. While we >> still >> >> have time before the May launch, I'd like your >> feedback >> >> and get your ideas for the up coming OROC >> launches. >> >> >> >> What topics would you like to see covered during >> the 2009 >> >> Showcase events? Sharing of methods? Reasons for >> >> construction in certain ways? >> >> >> >> If you're planning to attend an OROC event; >> what >> >> Showcase topics would you like to attend or >> participate in? >> >> Send your Ideas. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Robert_______________________________________________ >> >> Rockets mailing list >> >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > >> > >> > > > > From vonrang at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 20:22:13 2009 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:22:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches In-Reply-To: <011420090400.10295.496D6371000795230000283722058891169C0A020106A1020E000A9B9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <282318.1629.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thank you for the well wishes Stefan! I am just totally jazzed that I now have a club with a launch site one hour twenty minutes, (per Mapquest) that flys year 'round. Kroger and Corporate Living are making the move as painless as possible. My wife and I are in a furnished apartment until March. As such, all rocketry projects are on hold for me. When my house in Vancouver finally sells it's LEUP time! Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Tue, 1/13/09, stefan_jones at comcast.net wrote: > From: stefan_jones at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches > To: "Sam Grado" , rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 8:00 PM > Best of luck on your move! > > You're not too far from the regional launches in > Culpepper, Virginia. When I was with the LIARS we always > looked forward to those. > > -- > http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Sam Grado > > I accepted a promotion with the Kroger Company. I am > now heading up plant floor > > automation at the Country Oven Bakery in Bowling > Green, Kentucky. My wife Vici > > and I just arrived in Bowling Green on January 3rd. > > > > I'll be joining the Bluegrass Rocketry Society. > They conduct launches every 2nd > > Saturday of the month in Mt. Sherman, KY, about an > hour and a half from Bowling > > Green. 22K waiver (not bad for the south, central, > east coast). > > > > Sam Grado > > TRA-L2 > > > > "If you're going to build it, build it from > scratch!" > > > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Robert Krausert > wrote: > > > > > From: Robert Krausert > > > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 > launches > > > To: vonrang at yahoo.com > > > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 4:48 PM > > > Sam, > > > Miss Bro's? What happened? Did you move? > > > > > > Thank you for the kind words about the showcase > events. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Robert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sam Grado" > > > > To: ; > > > ; "Robert > > > Krausert" > > > > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:01 AM > > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 > launches > > > > > > > > > > This was a great event at the July 2008 > launch > > > (inspite of losing TCIII on > > > > Sunday). > > > > > > > > It provided a real community environment at > the event > > > that allowed members > > > > and visitors to meet, get to know each other > share > > > techniques, ideas and > > > > upbuild one another. > > > > > > > > It is exactly what the club needs to build > and retain > > > membership. > > > > > > > > This should be a part of every launch! > > > > > > > > I will miss Brothers, OR. It was great > flying out > > > there with OROC. > > > > > > > > Sam Grado > > > > TRA-L2 > > > > > > > > "If you're going to build it, build > it from > > > scratch!" > > > > > > > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > > > > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Robert Krausert > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> From: Robert Krausert > > > > > > >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for > 2009 > > > launches > > > >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com, > > > members at oregonrocketry.org > > > >> Cc: Bod at oregonrocketry.org > > > >> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:25 PM > > > >> Last year Oregon Rocketry tested doing a > Showcase > > > event > > > >> during the Saturday dinner quiet time > during a > > > launch. The > > > >> gathering was at 7pm and the subject for > that > > > Showcase was > > > >> Electronic bays. You can see pictures of > the > > > preliminary > > > >> Showcase event in July at > > > >> > http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/mult-pics.htm. > > > It was > > > >> successful and positive feedback for > doing it. > > > >> > > > >> Oregon Rocketry is interested in > continuing these > > > events. > > > >> This is sharing of ideas and knowledge > between > > > members. > > > >> Whether new or long timer, these > Showcase events > > > are > > > >> intented to share ideas, methods, and > knowledge, > > > etc. A > > > >> great collaboration time between > members. While we > > > still > > > >> have time before the May launch, I'd > like your > > > feedback > > > >> and get your ideas for the up coming > OROC > > > launches. > > > >> > > > >> What topics would you like to see > covered during > > > the 2009 > > > >> Showcase events? Sharing of methods? > Reasons for > > > >> construction in certain ways? > > > >> > > > >> If you're planning to attend an OROC > event; > > > what > > > >> Showcase topics would you like to attend > or > > > participate in? > > > >> Send your Ideas. > > > >> > > > >> Cheers, > > > >> > > > > Robert_______________________________________________ > > > >> Rockets mailing list > > > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > > >> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Tue Jan 13 20:24:04 2009 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:24:04 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE In-Reply-To: References: <20090112033315.OWIQ1042.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@COM> <22BED118B3284878BB77E25EFDD02C47@stktksrv> <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005106D80EC@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> <496D1C27.8010309@hawkfeather.com> Message-ID: <496D68E4.8040609@hawkfeather.com> Well said Bill. y GSE is setup to handle all Ratt, SRS, PP, and WCH monotube motors, and probably the new 12V Contrails (except 152mm!), up to about 20# birds on my pad, or much heavier on the club's K pads. It's flown most of those at one time or another, except for any Contrail. The biggest fiddley thing after learning some ignition tips is all the adapters and compression fittings for various fill lines. Expect to spend a lot of time at Amercian Hose or somewhere similar, and get a lot of odd looks ;) Re Hypertek: I think there's only 3 fliers with GSE in the PacNW, and none are actively flying them. I still have a full 54mm set, but haven't flown it in many years, since I now much prefer monotubes and dislike the HV/GOX components. I think that the basic components & fill stems would be around $350, and could be adapted to existing GSE. Hopefully with time to fiddle *before* launch day! But that applies to any project using somebody else's equipment, whether GSE, tracking or whatever... ground test! Andrew. Bill Munds wrote: > Eugene and all interested in Hybrid System launches at Mansfield sponsored by WAC: > > Dave (mostly) and I pretty much have our system perfected as far as the GSE. We also are currently carrying Skyripper Hybrid motor hardware. > Initially had an issue with the motor design and the GSE. Dave did some testing and found that our issue with producing ignition was a simple fix of putting teflon tape on the threads for the fill tube. > The blow by was chilling the starter grain to a temperature far below ignition temperature. We plan on doing some testing at the Rocket Ranch Campground in the next few weeks for ignition consistency. > > Please understand what I going to say is from a flyers stance....not a vendor: > > Andrew, Bill, and Dave all have GSE that is working to some degree or another. Most all three have spent quite an investment of time and money to get where they are today. Andrew has pioneered the hybrid flight and worked out many of the kinks for the rest of us. I can't even guess the hours Dave has put into making ours work. We have chosen Skyripper's hardware and systems for their simplicity in use. Really, it is very simple to assemble a Skyripper motor. > Now that we have the GSE and Ignition checklist down.....that is simple as well. AND mostly ATF-FREE. > > Andrew, Carl, Kent have all said the same thing about having the club own and maintain a GSE for all flyers. Expensive and time consuming when as a club, it should cater to the masses. > Dave and I are planning to attend and vend at all WAC launches in 2009 as well as some of the other regional club launches. Dave and I have a number of hybrid projects in the works so we will be bring the hybrid GSE. > We have a good size tank but it only holds so much. We will offer up our GSE for anyone that asks to use it. > > Here's our suggestion for common use of a particular GSE; > > PLAN AHEAD for adaptation of your system to ANYONE's GSE. They don't all match up. If you are really dead set on going to the "darkside being a gas-passer", then take the plunge and buy a tank and what ever adaptors needed to > be able to use a given GSE. Talk to everyone you can about hybrids and how they work. Ask questions of those that are active with hybrids. > > What not to do is post a note on the list to see if anyone will be bringing a hybrid GSE. Would you even know if your hardware will match up? > > Stop by our Traveling AP Tent and let's talk about getting you started with your hardware or changing over to a commonly used hardware. > > > Bill at PSP > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:56:39 -0800> From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com> To: dennys at carnitech.net> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE> > After raising this over the years, it's generally been the case that the > stated interest is much greater than ends up happening. I know it's > chicken/egg, ie not GSE = no hybrids, but even with Bill, PSP, and > myself having GSE with occasional support from WCH, very little flying > has happened beyond those who invested in the GSE.> > It would be great to have GSE and thus more hybrid flying, but the > logistics & expenses are non insignificant to cover all monotubes, and > more to handle Hypertek.> > Informal poll: how many actually have hybrid motors?> > Andrew.> > Denny Smith wrote:> > I'm certainly not "WAC leadership", but this is probably a topic to bring up at the next WAC meeting. I know this subject has come up at past meetings, but I can't remember exactly what the results of those conversations were. In any case, I would guess that if there were enough interest in members making use of hybrid GSE, it's something that the club could make available.> > > > -Denny> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: Eugene Samsonov [mailto:eas0171 at gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:21 PM> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE> > > > Anyone from WAC leadership to chime in? What is the major obstacle with > > having hybrid GSE? Costs? Transportation? Need to refill?> > > > -Eugene> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:31 PM> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE> > > > > > I would chip in to help in the purchase of the hybrid GSE...> > > > Also isn't memorial day the 25th?> > > > john.armitage at earthlink.net> > 253 205 7722> > Sent from my Palm Tr?o> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: "Eugene Samsonov" > > Subj: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE> > Date: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:09 pm> > Size: 1K> > To: > > > > Being a casual attender to Mansfield launches, I want to bring up a question> > of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing> > hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly> > allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach for> > others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral> > part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This would> > promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford> > the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a> > renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging> > contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by> > switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find> > this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all> > the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... I> > would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can come> > up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee or> > the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to> > Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O).> > > > What do you think?> > > > -Eugene> > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > From MartyWeiser at comcast.net Tue Jan 13 20:51:34 2009 From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty2) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:51:34 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches In-Reply-To: <43.90765.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <002c01c975e1$cf88cbf0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> <43.90765.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002f01c97603$c7658b30$5630a190$@net> Sam - As I understand it you had better get your dual deployment skills honed to use that 22K waiver. Out here a 22K waiver can be accompanied by 2 to 5 miles of more or less open land. In the east the field might only be a half mile across before you get into the trees. - Marty PS I grew up about 100 miles north to that and I don't recall seeing many open spaces more than a mile across - most were less. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Sam Grado Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:48 PM To: Robert Krausert Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches I accepted a promotion with the Kroger Company. I am now heading up plant floor automation at the Country Oven Bakery in Bowling Green, Kentucky. My wife Vici and I just arrived in Bowling Green on January 3rd. I'll be joining the Bluegrass Rocketry Society. They conduct launches every 2nd Saturday of the month in Mt. Sherman, KY, about an hour and a half from Bowling Green. 22K waiver (not bad for the south, central, east coast). Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Robert Krausert wrote: > From: Robert Krausert > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches > To: vonrang at yahoo.com > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 4:48 PM > Sam, > Miss Bro's? What happened? Did you move? > > Thank you for the kind words about the showcase events. > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Grado" > To: ; > ; "Robert > Krausert" > > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:01 AM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches > > > > This was a great event at the July 2008 launch > (inspite of losing TCIII on > > Sunday). > > > > It provided a real community environment at the event > that allowed members > > and visitors to meet, get to know each other share > techniques, ideas and > > upbuild one another. > > > > It is exactly what the club needs to build and retain > membership. > > > > This should be a part of every launch! > > > > I will miss Brothers, OR. It was great flying out > there with OROC. > > > > Sam Grado > > TRA-L2 > > > > "If you're going to build it, build it from > scratch!" > > > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Robert Krausert > wrote: > > > >> From: Robert Krausert > > >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 > launches > >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com, > members at oregonrocketry.org > >> Cc: Bod at oregonrocketry.org > >> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:25 PM > >> Last year Oregon Rocketry tested doing a Showcase > event > >> during the Saturday dinner quiet time during a > launch. The > >> gathering was at 7pm and the subject for that > Showcase was > >> Electronic bays. You can see pictures of the > preliminary > >> Showcase event in July at > >> http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/mult-pics.htm. > It was > >> successful and positive feedback for doing it. > >> > >> Oregon Rocketry is interested in continuing these > events. > >> This is sharing of ideas and knowledge between > members. > >> Whether new or long timer, these Showcase events > are > >> intented to share ideas, methods, and knowledge, > etc. A > >> great collaboration time between members. While we > still > >> have time before the May launch, I'd like your > feedback > >> and get your ideas for the up coming OROC > launches. > >> > >> What topics would you like to see covered during > the 2009 > >> Showcase events? Sharing of methods? Reasons for > >> construction in certain ways? > >> > >> If you're planning to attend an OROC event; > what > >> Showcase topics would you like to attend or > participate in? > >> Send your Ideas. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > Robert_______________________________________________ > >> Rockets mailing list > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From eas0171 at gmail.com Tue Jan 13 21:31:08 2009 From: eas0171 at gmail.com (Eugene Samsonov) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:31:08 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE References: <011320092249.17668.496D1A92000027AF000045042213528573020E03990A02D29B020A05@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thank you all - I think I have got the idea. I can definitely sync up with folks, who already own the GSE and to arrange for my flights. I could buy my own tank, fill it before heading off to the launch and bring it with me along with a packet-full of fittings to make sure it can all be connected together... While it sounds sarcastic, this is not what I mean - all these are good suggestions and all could be accomplished given enough determination and... time. Unfortunately, in my case it is time which is in short supply, so I was (selfishly :) ) hoping to benefit from some club-wide effort (while being willing to participate financially). I totally understand that the club has a bunch of other priority needs to take care of, and the hybrid GSE is unlikely to make it to the top of the list for a number of reasons... Still, it would be great if one day we could read an announcement like "..WAC launch fee is $xx for the weekend. For another $yy you can fly all your hybrid monotubes and not worry about running out of N20 (up to I motors, with $zz per flight charge for J and above. Restrictions apply ;) )". -Eugene ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Carl Hamilton" ; "Eugene Samsonov" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE > Let me piggy-back onto what Carl has stated, Eugene. > > The club is already in the process of upgrading more widely used GSE in > the form of new high power pads, a club trailer (a major expense, of > course), a new controller, and, with this year, the completion of new > controllers and a new public address system. Purchasing hybrid GSE is > just not a possibility even if the demand would be recognized right now. > > Having said that, you make two points that deserve more attention: > > 1) "This would promote hybrids and the hobby in general....." > > Very true. Making hybrid GSE available could very well increase the > interest in hybrid technology especially with the current ATF environment. > > 2) " ..would rather invest..." finding it "impractical,....logistically". > > As Carl has said, there are variations on the hybrid theme that complicate > the selection of hybrid GSE. I can tell you that there are not many > regular fliers within the club (that I'm aware of) who are knowledgeable > of purchasing and maintaining such equipment. > > With that being the case and seeing that at least 3 members are interested > in hybrid technology immediately, let me suggest that the three of you > consider purchasing the equipment as a group. Your group may set it up > on-site, maintain it and instruct others to do it while promoting the use > of hybrid technology. Charge whatever you feel is appropriate. > > The club would certainly consider storing and transporting it with the > club GSE. Over time and with increasing demand, I'm sure that WAC would > consider making the investment by either purchasing your equipment or > replacing it. > > People in situations similar to yours that might be experiencing the early > needs for a technology or, in this case, GSE, often will pool their > resources and supply the equipment themselves. I've personally been > involved in doing this over the years with large rocket launch pads, > launch controllers, GPS and RF locator equipment, for example. > > Let us know your thoughts. > > Regards, > > Kent Newman > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Carl Hamilton >> Eugene - >> I would say that the biggest reason that the WAC hasn't invested in >> hybrid >> GSE is lack of demand. I don't remember a single launch over the last few >> years where somebody couldn't fly their hybrid because the club didn't >> provide the appropriate GSE. As you point out, hybrid fliers have always >> been very generous in letting others use their GSE. Dave Woodard, of PSP, >> has also made it pretty clear that they would make sure that hybrid GSE >> was >> available for those who needed it. >> >> Maintenance is another factor to consider when evaluating whether the >> club >> should invest in hybrid GSE. We have a fair amount of trouble keeping our >> existing equipment running reliably. My guess is that if the club were to >> invest, we would only budget for a single fill tank, a single fill valve, >> and a single dump valve. If any one of these components malfunctioned, >> the >> GSE would be unusable. So, should we budget for redundant components, >> prioritize our maintenance time for the the hybrid gear, or just live >> with >> fact that it might be unreliable? Oh yeah, do you want to fly HyperTek >> hybrids or monotubes? Should the club invest in all of the gear to launch >> *any* system currently available? >> >> Don't get me wrong, I think it would be great if the club provided hybrid >> GSE, but at this point, I just don't see the need. >> >> - Carl >> >> 2009/1/13 Eugene Samsonov >> >> > Anyone from WAC leadership to chime in? What is the major obstacle with >> > having hybrid GSE? Costs? Transportation? Need to refill? >> > >> > -Eugene >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: >> > To: >> > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:31 PM >> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE >> > >> > >> > I would chip in to help in the purchase of the hybrid GSE... >> > >> > Also isn't memorial day the 25th? >> > >> > john.armitage at earthlink.net >> > 253 205 7722 >> > Sent from my Palm Tr??o >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > >> > From: "Eugene Samsonov" >> > Subj: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE >> > Date: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:09 pm >> > Size: 1K >> > To: >> > >> > Being a casual attender to Mansfield launches, I want to bring up a >> > question >> > of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) >> > providing >> > hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and >> > kindly >> > allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable >> > approach >> > for >> > others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as >> > integral >> > part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This >> > would >> > promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not >> > afford >> > the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a >> > renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and >> > arranging >> > contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by >> > switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I >> > find >> > this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling >> > all >> > the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... >> > I >> > would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can >> > come >> > up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch >> > fee >> > or >> > the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always >> > come to >> > Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O). >> > >> > What do you think? >> > >> > -Eugene >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockets mailing list >> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockets mailing list >> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockets mailing list >> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > >> > >> > > > From bbeck7 at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 08:37:04 2009 From: bbeck7 at gmail.com (bruce beck) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:37:04 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE In-Reply-To: <3D20D3A0E091417D8F151E13AF6E4D37@stktksrv> References: <3D20D3A0E091417D8F151E13AF6E4D37@stktksrv> Message-ID: <69adffb0901140837y1a562e84m984f2a5cbd1993fb@mail.gmail.com> fireworks training in Washington state: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Eugene Samsonov wrote: > Being a casual attender to MMessage: 4 > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:16:20 -0800 > From: "Larry Mattingly" > Subject: [pml] Pyro training for Display and Proximate SPFX > To: "A Pyro Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > "Entertainment Fireworks has posted their spring training schedule. > All interested persons are invited to register online at: WWW.pyrotech.com > Click on Training. There is no charge for display training. > > "Happiness is the sky in bloom" > > > > J Larry Mattingly > VP Marketing and Sales > Entertainment Fireworks, Inc.ansfield launches, I want to bring up a > question > of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing > hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly > allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach > for > others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral > part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This > would > promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford > the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a > renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging > contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by > switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find > this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all > the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... I > would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can > come > up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee > or > the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to > Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O). > > What do you think? > > -Eugene > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Eugene Samsonov < mailto:eas0171 at gmail.com eas0171 at gmail.com > wrote: Being a casual attender to MMessage: 4 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:16:20 -0800 From: "Larry Mattingly" < mailto:larrymat at pyrotech.com larrymat at pyrotech.com > Subject: [pml] Pyro training for Display and Proximate SPFX To: "A Pyro Mailing List" < mailto:pml at kclo3.com pml at kclo3.com > Message-ID: < mailto:FE8F9B5D444E425C949A345608647358 at pyrotech.com FE8F9B5D444E425C949A345608647358 at pyrotech.com > Content-Type: text/plain;?????? charset="us-ascii" ? "Entertainment Fireworks has posted their spring training schedule. All interested persons are invited to register online at: http://www.pyrotech.com/ WWW.pyrotech.com Click on Training. There is no charge for display training. "Happiness is the sky in bloom" ? J Larry Mattingly VP Marketing and Sales Entertainment Fireworks, Inc.ansfield launches, I want to bring up a question of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to consider) providing hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people bring their own and kindly allow others to use it, but this does not seem to be a reliable approach for others to fly hybrids. It would be great if hybrid GSE became as integral part of the lanches as having a good rail and GSE for composites. This would promote hybrids and the hobby in general for those of us who can not afford the hassle of getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a renewal of my LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging contigent storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by switching to hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find this impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... ?I would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC can come up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a per-launch fee or the combination of the two, but I would then know that I can always come to Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could even bring my own N2O). What do you think? -Eugene _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From winningstad at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 09:58:18 2009 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:58:18 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches In-Reply-To: <43.90765.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <002c01c975e1$cf88cbf0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> <43.90765.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5DE29F2197C94309A3A7F27F31608FFC@downstair> Congrats, SAM! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 Chess anyone? 1. e4 (P-K4) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Sam Grado Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:48 PM To: Robert Krausert Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches I accepted a promotion with the Kroger Company. I am now heading up plant floor automation at the Country Oven Bakery in Bowling Green, Kentucky. My wife Vici and I just arrived in Bowling Green on January 3rd. I'll be joining the Bluegrass Rocketry Society. They conduct launches every 2nd Saturday of the month in Mt. Sherman, KY, about an hour and a half from Bowling Green. 22K waiver (not bad for the south, central, east coast). Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Robert Krausert wrote: > From: Robert Krausert > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches > To: vonrang at yahoo.com > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 4:48 PM > Sam, > Miss Bro's? What happened? Did you move? > > Thank you for the kind words about the showcase events. > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Grado" > To: ; > ; "Robert > Krausert" > > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:01 AM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches > > > > This was a great event at the July 2008 launch > (inspite of losing TCIII on > > Sunday). > > > > It provided a real community environment at the event > that allowed members > > and visitors to meet, get to know each other share > techniques, ideas and > > upbuild one another. > > > > It is exactly what the club needs to build and retain > membership. > > > > This should be a part of every launch! > > > > I will miss Brothers, OR. It was great flying out > there with OROC. > > > > Sam Grado > > TRA-L2 > > > > "If you're going to build it, build it from > scratch!" > > > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Robert Krausert > wrote: > > > >> From: Robert Krausert > > >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 > launches > >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com, > members at oregonrocketry.org > >> Cc: Bod at oregonrocketry.org > >> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:25 PM > >> Last year Oregon Rocketry tested doing a Showcase > event > >> during the Saturday dinner quiet time during a > launch. The > >> gathering was at 7pm and the subject for that > Showcase was > >> Electronic bays. You can see pictures of the > preliminary > >> Showcase event in July at > >> http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/mult-pics.htm. > It was > >> successful and positive feedback for doing it. > >> > >> Oregon Rocketry is interested in continuing these > events. > >> This is sharing of ideas and knowledge between > members. > >> Whether new or long timer, these Showcase events > are > >> intented to share ideas, methods, and knowledge, > etc. A > >> great collaboration time between members. While we > still > >> have time before the May launch, I'd like your > feedback > >> and get your ideas for the up coming OROC > launches. > >> > >> What topics would you like to see covered during > the 2009 > >> Showcase events? Sharing of methods? Reasons for > >> construction in certain ways? > >> > >> If you're planning to attend an OROC event; > what > >> Showcase topics would you like to attend or > participate in? > >> Send your Ideas. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > Robert_______________________________________________ > >> Rockets mailing list > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at blastzone.com Wed Jan 14 10:20:08 2009 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:20:08 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] fireworks training In-Reply-To: <69adffb0901140837y1a562e84m984f2a5cbd1993fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <3D20D3A0E091417D8F151E13AF6E4D37@stktksrv> <69adffb0901140837y1a562e84m984f2a5cbd1993fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <138301c97674$bb6fccc0$324f6640$@com> I've done this, its fun. When I did it, they ran you through safety and other info, and at the end of the day everyone took turns lighting a small mortar. Once you're trained you can help at local pyro shows. I did setup for opening day at Cheney stadium, emerald queen grand opening, and a show for someone's wedding. Here's some pics from the emerald queen show setup: http://www.blastzone.com/pyrotechnics/ They need help with these shows, or at least they did when I was doing it. Takes a lot of manpower to set these things up, and its pretty much on a volunteer basis (read: no pay). I spent most of my time moving sand and setting up boxes and mortars. Then you end up setting up all the shells in the mortar tubes, checking continuity, wiring everything up, etc. For the show, some folks watch from ground zero to keep an eye out for duds and where they land. Quite a view, doing that. If you're really into it, you can help at a lot of shows, and eventually get your license to actually head up shows for them. If you have a CDL and can drive the truck carrying the stuff, that made you even more attractive to them. Anyways, I remember it being a lot of fun, and a lot of work. If you love fireworks, and aren't afraid of work, I'd suggest doing it. You may find yet another thing to eat up all your time. :) Greg -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of bruce beck Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:37 AM To: Eugene Samsonov Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE fireworks training in Washington state: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Eugene Samsonov wrote: > Being a casual attender to MMessage: 4 > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:16:20 -0800 > From: "Larry Mattingly" > Subject: [pml] Pyro training for Display and Proximate SPFX > To: "A Pyro Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > "Entertainment Fireworks has posted their spring training schedule. > All interested persons are invited to register online at: > WWW.pyrotech.com > Click on Training. There is no charge for display training. > > "Happiness is the sky in bloom" > > > > J Larry Mattingly > VP Marketing and Sales > Entertainment Fireworks, Inc.ansfield launches, I want to bring up a > question of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to > consider) providing hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people > bring their own and kindly allow others to use it, but this does not > seem to be a reliable approach for others to fly hybrids. It would be > great if hybrid GSE became as integral part of the lanches as having a > good rail and GSE for composites. This would promote hybrids and the > hobby in general for those of us who can not afford the hassle of > getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a renewal of my > LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging contigent > storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by switching to > hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find this > impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all > the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... > I would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC > can come up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a > per-launch fee or the combination of the two, but I would then know > that I can always come to Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could > even bring my own N2O). > > What do you think? > > -Eugene > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From vonrang at yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 10:32:38 2009 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:32:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches In-Reply-To: <5DE29F2197C94309A3A7F27F31608FFC@downstair> Message-ID: <57269.88886.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thank you Dennis! I hope to see everyone at BALLS this year! Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Dennis Winningstad wrote: > From: Dennis Winningstad > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches > To: vonrang at yahoo.com, "'Robert Krausert'" > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 9:58 AM > Congrats, SAM! > > Dennis S Winningstad > 503-781-3529 > > Chess anyone? 1. e4 (P-K4) > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Sam Grado > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:48 PM > To: Robert Krausert > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 launches > > I accepted a promotion with the Kroger Company. I am now > heading up plant > floor automation at the Country Oven Bakery in Bowling > Green, Kentucky. My > wife Vici and I just arrived in Bowling Green on January > 3rd. > > I'll be joining the Bluegrass Rocketry Society. They > conduct launches every > 2nd Saturday of the month in Mt. Sherman, KY, about an hour > and a half from > Bowling Green. 22K waiver (not bad for the south, central, > east coast). > > Sam Grado > TRA-L2 > > "If you're going to build it, build it from > scratch!" > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Robert Krausert > wrote: > > > From: Robert Krausert > > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 > launches > > To: vonrang at yahoo.com > > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 4:48 PM > > Sam, > > Miss Bro's? What happened? Did you move? > > > > Thank you for the kind words about the showcase > events. > > > > Cheers, > > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sam Grado" > > To: ; > > ; "Robert > > Krausert" > > > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 > launches > > > > > > > This was a great event at the July 2008 launch > > (inspite of losing TCIII on > > > Sunday). > > > > > > It provided a real community environment at the > event > > that allowed members > > > and visitors to meet, get to know each other > share > > techniques, ideas and > > > upbuild one another. > > > > > > It is exactly what the club needs to build and > retain > > membership. > > > > > > This should be a part of every launch! > > > > > > I will miss Brothers, OR. It was great flying out > > there with OROC. > > > > > > Sam Grado > > > TRA-L2 > > > > > > "If you're going to build it, build it > from > > scratch!" > > > > > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > > > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > > > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Robert Krausert > > wrote: > > > > > >> From: Robert Krausert > > > > >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Showcase events for 2009 > > launches > > >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com, > > members at oregonrocketry.org > > >> Cc: Bod at oregonrocketry.org > > >> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:25 PM > > >> Last year Oregon Rocketry tested doing a > Showcase > > event > > >> during the Saturday dinner quiet time during > a > > launch. The > > >> gathering was at 7pm and the subject for that > > Showcase was > > >> Electronic bays. You can see pictures of the > > preliminary > > >> Showcase event in July at > > >> > http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/mult-pics.htm. > > It was > > >> successful and positive feedback for doing > it. > > >> > > >> Oregon Rocketry is interested in continuing > these > > events. > > >> This is sharing of ideas and knowledge > between > > members. > > >> Whether new or long timer, these Showcase > events > > are > > >> intented to share ideas, methods, and > knowledge, > > etc. A > > >> great collaboration time between members. > While we > > still > > >> have time before the May launch, I'd like > your > > feedback > > >> and get your ideas for the up coming OROC > > launches. > > >> > > >> What topics would you like to see covered > during > > the 2009 > > >> Showcase events? Sharing of methods? Reasons > for > > >> construction in certain ways? > > >> > > >> If you're planning to attend an OROC > event; > > what > > >> Showcase topics would you like to attend or > > participate in? > > >> Send your Ideas. > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > Robert_______________________________________________ > > >> Rockets mailing list > > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > >> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From fred_bare at yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 10:36:18 2009 From: fred_bare at yahoo.com (Fred Bare) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:36:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] fireworks training In-Reply-To: <138301c97674$bb6fccc0$324f6640$@com> Message-ID: <134344.95120.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Chris Holden runs shows and I help out every year with shows at least 2-5 times a year and?we are?always looking for help.? It is a lot of work but is very fun and a the applause at the end is for the team that did it. Greg Wilson --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Greg Deputy wrote: From: Greg Deputy Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] fireworks training To: "'bruce beck'" , "'Eugene Samsonov'" Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:20 AM I've done this, its fun. When I did it, they ran you through safety and other info, and at the end of the day everyone took turns lighting a small mortar. Once you're trained you can help at local pyro shows. I did setup for opening day at Cheney stadium, emerald queen grand opening, and a show for someone's wedding. Here's some pics from the emerald queen show setup: http://www.blastzone.com/pyrotechnics/ They need help with these shows, or at least they did when I was doing it. Takes a lot of manpower to set these things up, and its pretty much on a volunteer basis (read: no pay). I spent most of my time moving sand and setting up boxes and mortars. Then you end up setting up all the shells in the mortar tubes, checking continuity, wiring everything up, etc. For the show, some folks watch from ground zero to keep an eye out for duds and where they land. Quite a view, doing that. If you're really into it, you can help at a lot of shows, and eventually get your license to actually head up shows for them. If you have a CDL and can drive the truck carrying the stuff, that made you even more attractive to them. Anyways, I remember it being a lot of fun, and a lot of work. If you love fireworks, and aren't afraid of work, I'd suggest doing it. You may find yet another thing to eat up all your time. :) Greg -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of bruce beck Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:37 AM To: Eugene Samsonov Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE fireworks training in Washington state: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Eugene Samsonov wrote: > Being a casual attender to MMessage: 4 > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:16:20 -0800 > From: "Larry Mattingly" > Subject: [pml] Pyro training for Display and Proximate SPFX > To: "A Pyro Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > "Entertainment Fireworks has posted their spring training schedule. > All interested persons are invited to register online at: > WWW.pyrotech.com > Click on Training. There is no charge for display training. > > "Happiness is the sky in bloom" > > > > J Larry Mattingly > VP Marketing and Sales > Entertainment Fireworks, Inc.ansfield launches, I want to bring up a > question of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to > consider) providing hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people > bring their own and kindly allow others to use it, but this does not > seem to be a reliable approach for others to fly hybrids. It would be > great if hybrid GSE became as integral part of the lanches as having a > good rail and GSE for composites. This would promote hybrids and the > hobby in general for those of us who can not afford the hassle of > getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a renewal of my > LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging contigent > storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by switching to > hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find this > impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all > the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... > I would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC > can come up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a > per-launch fee or the combination of the two, but I would then know > that I can always come to Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could > even bring my own N2O). > > What do you think? > > -Eugene > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Chris Holden runs shows and I help out every year with shows at least 2-5 times a year and?we are?always looking for help.? It is a lot of work but is very fun and a the applause at the end is for the team that did it. Greg Wilson --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Greg Deputy wrote: From: Greg Deputy Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] fireworks training To: "'bruce beck'" , "'Eugene Samsonov'" Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:20 AM I've done this, its fun. When I did it, they ran you through safety and other info, and at the end of the day everyone took turns lighting a small mortar. Once you're trained you can help at local pyro shows. I did setup for opening day at Cheney stadium, emerald queen grand opening, and a show for someone's wedding. Here's some pics from the emerald queen show setup: http://www.blastzone.com/pyrotechnics/ They need help with these shows, or at least they did when I was doing it. Takes a lot of manpower to set these things up, and its pretty much on a volunteer basis (read: no pay). I spent most of my time moving sand and setting up boxes and mortars. Then you end up setting up all the shells in the mortar tubes, checking continuity, wiring everything up, etc. For the show, some folks watch from ground zero to keep an eye out for duds and where they land. Quite a view, doing that. If you're really into it, you can help at a lot of shows, and eventually get your license to actually head up shows for them. If you have a CDL and can drive the truck carrying the stuff, that made you even more attractive to them. Anyways, I remember it being a lot of fun, and a lot of work. If you love fireworks, and aren't afraid of work, I'd suggest doing it. You may find yet another thing to eat up all your time. :) Greg -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of bruce beck Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:37 AM To: Eugene Samsonov Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace - Hybrid GSE fireworks training in Washington state: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Eugene Samsonov wrote: > Being a casual attender to MMessage: 4 > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:16:20 -0800 > From: "Larry Mattingly" > Subject: [pml] Pyro training for Display and Proximate SPFX > To: "A Pyro Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > "Entertainment Fireworks has posted their spring training schedule. > All interested persons are invited to register online at: > WWW.pyrotech.com > Click on Training. There is no charge for display training. > > "Happiness is the sky in bloom" > > > > J Larry Mattingly > VP Marketing and Sales > Entertainment Fireworks, Inc.ansfield launches, I want to bring up a > question of whether WAC is considering (or would be willing to > consider) providing hybrid GSE at those launches. I know some people > bring their own and kindly allow others to use it, but this does not > seem to be a reliable approach for others to fly hybrids. It would be > great if hybrid GSE became as integral part of the lanches as having a > good rail and GSE for composites. This would promote hybrids and the > hobby in general for those of us who can not afford the hassle of > getting a LEUP. I have, for one, decided not to persue a renewal of my > LEUP, given all the hassle with fingerprinting and arranging contigent > storage, yet I am committed to continue with the hobby by switching to > hybrids. I could even invest in my own GSE, but somehow I find this > impractical - not financially, but mostly, logistically - hauling all > the extra stuff to the launch, arranging with LCO to set it up, etc... > I would much rather participate in whatever financial arrangement WAC > can come up with to get the hybrid GSE - be it a one-time cost or a > per-launch fee or the combination of the two, but I would then know > that I can always come to Mansfield and fly my hybrid bird (I could > even bring my own N2O). > > What do you think? > > -Eugene > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bjarchow at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 13:44:09 2009 From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:44:09 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] fireworks training In-Reply-To: <134344.95120.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <138301c97674$bb6fccc0$324f6640$@com> <134344.95120.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That sounds like the type of thing I would really enjoy - especially being at ground zero during the show to watch for duds! If they had training closer to Bellingham, I would start trying to clear my schedule! On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Fred Bare wrote: > Chris Holden runs shows and I help out every year with shows at least 2-5 > times a year and we are always looking for help. It is a lot of work but is > very fun and a the applause at the end is for the team that did it. > Greg Wilson > > -------------- next part -------------- If they had training closer to Bellingham, I would start trying to clear my schedule! On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Fred Bare < mailto:fred_bare at yahoo.com fred_bare at yahoo.com > wrote: Chris Holden runs shows and I help out every year with shows at least 2-5 times a year and?we are?always looking for help.? It is a lot of work but is very fun and a the applause at the end is for the team that did it. Greg Wilson From stefan_jones at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 13:54:20 2009 From: stefan_jones at comcast.net (stefan_jones at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:54:20 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] KHAAAAAAN! Message-ID: <011420092154.18873.496E5F0C000CE1A3000049B922069984999C0A020106A1020E000A9B9C@comcast.net> AHHH! They're dropping like flies! First Patrick "Number 6) McGoohan, now Ricardo "KHAAAAAAANNNNN!" Mantalbon, dead at 88: http://www.local12.com/content/breaking_news/story/Ricardo-Montalban-Dead-at-88/aO4T11P1i0CTd5v8nov0jg.cspx Early funerals plans call for him being buried in a coffin lined with fine Corinthian leather. Or maybe his ashes will be scattered around Fantasy Island. Or shot into orbit around Epsilon Ceti 6. -- http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones From jhadv at pacifier.com Wed Jan 14 14:01:56 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:01:56 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com> Now, the winner of this year's Darwin Award (awarded, unfortunately, as always, posthumously) The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it was a car. The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. Police investigators finally pieced together the mystery crash. An amateur rocket scientist had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet Assisted Take Off, actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give heavy military transport planes an extra 'push' for taking off from short airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to the car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off the JATO! The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of the 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately 3.0 miles from the crash site. This was established by the scorched and melted asphalt at that location. The JATO, if operating properly, would have reached maximum thrust within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds well in excess of 350 mph and continuing at full power for an additional 20-25 seconds. The driver, and soon to be pilot, would have experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners, causing him to become irrelevant for the remainder of the event. However, the automobile remained on the straight highway for about 2.5 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied and completely melted the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface, then becoming airborne for an additional 1.4 miles and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 feet leaving a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock. Most of the driver's remains were not recoverable. However, small fragments of bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel. Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron attained a ground speed of approximately 420-mph, though much of his voyage was not actually on the ground. You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? -------------- next part -------------- Now, the winner of this year's Darwin Award (awarded, unfortunately, as always, posthumously) ? The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it was a car. The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. Police investigators finally pieced together the mystery crash.? An amateur rocket scientist? had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet Assisted Take Off, actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give heavy military transport planes an extra 'push' for taking off from short airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to the car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off the JATO! ? The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of the 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately 3.0 miles from the crash site. This was established by the scorched and melted asphalt at that location. ? The JATO, if operating properly, would have reached maximum thrust within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds well in excess of 350 mph and continuing at full power for an additional 20-25 seconds. ? The driver, and soon to be pilot, would have experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners, causing him to become irrelevant for the remainder of the event. However, the automobile remained on the straight highway for about 2.5 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied and completely melted the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface, then becoming airborne for an additional 1.4 miles and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 feet leaving a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock. Most of the driver's remains were not recoverable. However, small fragments of bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel. ? Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron attained a ground speed of approximately 420-mph, though much of his voyage was not actually on the ground. ? You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? From robert.krausert at intel.com Wed Jan 14 14:03:45 2009 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:03:45 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] KHAAAAAAN! In-Reply-To: <011420092154.18873.496E5F0C000CE1A3000049B922069984999C0A020106A1020E000A9B9C@comcast.net> References: <011420092154.18873.496E5F0C000CE1A3000049B922069984999C0A020106A1020E000A9B9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1C11CBC8@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> The family reported that shortly after his death a small creator crawled out of his ear. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of stefan_jones at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:54 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] KHAAAAAAN! AHHH! They're dropping like flies! First Patrick "Number 6) McGoohan, now Ricardo "KHAAAAAAANNNNN!" Mantalbon, dead at 88: http://www.local12.com/content/breaking_news/story/Ricardo-Montalban-Dead-at-88/aO4T11P1i0CTd5v8nov0jg.cspx Early funerals plans call for him being buried in a coffin lined with fine Corinthian leather. Or maybe his ashes will be scattered around Fantasy Island. Or shot into orbit around Epsilon Ceti 6. -- http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at blastzone.com Wed Jan 14 14:09:20 2009 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:09:20 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <180e01c97694$c02cab00$40860100$@com> Oh come on, really??? This is only one of the oldest urban myths out there. Mythbusters did it. Yawn.... Welcome to the 1990's... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:02 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist Now, the winner of this year's Darwin Award (awarded, unfortunately, as always, posthumously) The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it was a car. The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. Police investigators finally pieced together the mystery crash. An amateur rocket scientist had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet Assisted Take Off, actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give heavy military transport planes an extra 'push' for taking off from short airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to the car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off the JATO! The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of the 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately 3.0 miles from the crash site. This was established by the scorched and melted asphalt at that location. The JATO, if operating properly, would have reached maximum thrust within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds well in excess of 350 mph and continuing at full power for an additional 20-25 seconds. The driver, and soon to be pilot, would have experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners, causing him to become irrelevant for the remainder of the event. However, the automobile remained on the straight highway for about 2.5 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied and completely melted the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface, then becoming airborne for an additional 1.4 miles and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 feet leaving a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock. Most of the driver's remains were not recoverable. However, small fragments of bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel. Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron attained a ground speed of approximately 420-mph, though much of his voyage was not actually on the ground. You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? From raystoner99 at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 14:11:36 2009 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (raystoner99 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <1621457458.3559021231971096754.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? Actually, yes, you can... http://www.snopes.com/autos/dream/jato.asp Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bogdanich" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:01:56 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist Now, the winner of this year's Darwin Award (awarded, unfortunately, as always, posthumously) The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it was a car. The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. Police investigators finally pieced together the mystery crash. An amateur rocket scientist had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet Assisted Take Off, actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give heavy military transport planes an extra 'push' for taking off from short airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to the car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off the JATO! The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of the 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately 3.0 miles from the crash site. This was established by the scorched and melted asphalt at that location. The JATO, if operating properly, would have reached maximum thrust within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds well in excess of 350 mph and continuing at full power for an additional 20-25 seconds. The driver, and soon to be pilot, would have experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners, causing him to become irrelevant for the remainder of the event. However, the automobile remained on the straight highway for about 2.5 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied and completely melted the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface, then becoming airborne for an additional 1.4 miles and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 feet leaving a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock. Most of the driver's remains were not recoverable. However, small fragments of bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel. Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron attained a ground speed of approximately 420-mph, though much of his voyage was not actually on the ground. You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? Actually, yes, you can... http://www.snopes.com/autos/dream/jato.asp Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bogdanich" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:01:56 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist Now, the winner of this year's Darwin Award (awarded, unfortunately, as always, posthumously) The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it was a car. The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. Police investigators finally pieced together the mystery crash. An amateur rocket scientist had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet Assisted Take Off, actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give heavy military transport planes an extra 'push' for taking off from short airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to the car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off the JATO! The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of the 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately 3.0 miles from the crash site. This was established by the scorched and melted asphalt at that location. The JATO, if operating properly, would have reached maximum thrust within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds well in excess of 350 mph and continuing at full power for an additional 20-25 seconds. The driver, and soon to be pilot, would have experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners, causing him to become irrelevant for the remainder of the event. However, the automobile remained on the straight highway for about 2.5 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied and completely melted the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface, then becoming airborne for an additional 1.4 miles and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 feet leaving a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock. Most of the driver's remains were not recoverable. However, small fragments of bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel. Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron attained a ground speed of approximately 420-mph, though much of his voyage was not actually on the ground. You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Wed Jan 14 14:14:29 2009 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:14:29 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6899@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Thoroughly busted by my two favorite guys--Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman, a.k.a., the Mythbusters. Their simulated RATO managed to get the vehicle up to slightly over 180 mph, but no liftoff was achieved and no wreckage was left. An attempt at a "supersize" version ended with a CATO of the rocket motor--disappointing from a testing the myth perspective, but totally acceptable for meeting the Mythbusters' big boom quota. AZ dept of public safety also categorically denies the myth. It never happened. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:02 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist Now, the winner of this year's Darwin Award (awarded, unfortunately, as always, posthumously) The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it was a car. The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. Police investigators finally pieced together the mystery crash. An amateur rocket scientist had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet Assisted Take Off, actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give heavy military transport planes an extra 'push' for taking off from short airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to the car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off the JATO! The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of the 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately 3.0 miles from the crash site. This was established by the scorched and melted asphalt at that location. The JATO, if operating properly, would have reached maximum thrust within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds well in excess of 350 mph and continuing at full power for an additional 20-25 seconds. The driver, and soon to be pilot, would have experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners, causing him to become irrelevant for the remainder of the event. However, the automobile remained on the straight highway for about 2.5 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied and completely melted the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface, then becoming airborne for an additional 1.4 miles and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 feet leaving a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock. Most of the driver's remains were not recoverable. However, small fragments of bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel. Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron attained a ground speed of approximately 420-mph, though much of his voyage was not actually on the ground. You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? From vonrang at yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 14:47:00 2009 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:47:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <716594.66266.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This has been circling the 'Net for quite some time now and was long ago debunked as urban myth, but it is a clever and vividly told story. Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Paul Bogdanich wrote: > From: Paul Bogdanich > Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 2:01 PM > Now, the winner of this year's Darwin Award (awarded, > unfortunately, as always, posthumously) > > The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering > metal embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road > at the apex of a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of > an airplane crash, but it was a car. The type of car was > unidentifiable at the scene. Police investigators finally > pieced together the mystery crash. An amateur rocket > scientist had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet > Assisted Take Off, actually a solid fuel rocket) that is > used to give heavy military transport planes an extra > 'push' for taking off from short airfields. He had > driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert and found a > long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to > the car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off the > JATO! > > The facts as best as could be determined are that the > operator of the 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a > distance of approximately 3.0 miles from the crash site. > This was established by the scorched and melted asphalt at > that location. > > The JATO, if operating properly, would have reached maximum > thrust within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds > well in excess of 350 mph and continuing at full power for > an additional 20-25 seconds. > > The driver, and soon to be pilot, would have experienced > G-forces usually reserved for dog fighting F-14 jocks under > full afterburners, causing him to become irrelevant for the > remainder of the event. However, the automobile remained on > the straight highway for about 2.5 miles (15-20 seconds) > before the driver applied and completely melted the brakes, > blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber marks on the road > surface, then becoming airborne for an additional 1.4 miles > and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 feet leaving > a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock. Most of the > driver's remains were not recoverable. However, small > fragments of bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the > crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a > piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering > wheel. > > Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron attained a > ground speed of approximately 420-mph, though much of his > voyage was not actually on the ground. > > You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jhadv at pacifier.com Wed Jan 14 14:48:58 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:48:58 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114144806.00c42200@mail.iinet.com> Ooops. From vonrang at yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 14:53:56 2009 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:53:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114144806.00c42200@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <350450.11786.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You know we could have sung all of our replies to this post like a barbershop quartet! 8^{) Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Paul Bogdanich wrote: > From: Paul Bogdanich > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 2:48 PM > Ooops. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From robert.krausert at intel.com Wed Jan 14 15:01:18 2009 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:01:18 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: <350450.11786.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114144806.00c42200@mail.iinet.com> <350450.11786.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1C11CC8E@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Quartet? Cool. You, Deputy, Pete and Stefen... I want to hear it. What's the name of the song? "Impala with JATO shall CATO, and now my dog won't come home." Not sure about the logistics, but Greg might be able to setup a series of motors tuned to notes. Nothing like a quartet backed by a APCP organ. ;-) Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Sam Grado Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:54 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; Paul Bogdanich Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist You know we could have sung all of our replies to this post like a barbershop quartet! 8^{) Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Paul Bogdanich wrote: > From: Paul Bogdanich > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 2:48 PM > Ooops. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From terry at mooreread.com Wed Jan 14 14:40:46 2009 From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:40:46 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: This story : http://business.fortunecity.com/executive/674/rocketcar.html of the guy who claims to have inadvertently started the urban legend is interesting, although other sources say it too is made up. On Jan 14, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Paul Bogdanich wrote: > Now, the winner of this year's Darwin Award > (awarded, unfortunately, as always, posthumously) > > The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal > embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of > a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but > it was a car. The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. > Police investigators finally pieced together the mystery crash. An > amateur rocket scientist had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit > (Jet Assisted Take Off, actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used > to give heavy military transport planes an extra 'push' for taking > off from short airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into > the desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached > the JATO unit to the car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off > the JATO! > > The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of > the 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately > 3.0 miles from the crash site. This was established by the scorched > and melted asphalt at that location. > > The JATO, if operating properly, would have reached maximum thrust > within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds well in excess > of 350 mph and continuing at full power for an additional 20-25 > seconds. > > The driver, and soon to be pilot, would have experienced G-forces > usually reserved for dog fighting F-14 jocks under full > afterburners, causing him to become irrelevant for the remainder of > the event. However, the automobile remained on the straight highway > for about 2.5 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied and > completely melted the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick > rubber marks on the road surface, then becoming airborne for an > additional 1.4 miles and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 > feet leaving a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock. Most of the > driver's remains were not recoverable. However, small fragments of > bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail > and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a > portion of the steering wheel. > > Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron attained a ground > speed of approximately 420-mph, though much of his voyage was not > actually on the ground. > > You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lukins & Annis, P.S. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or privileged material, and is intended solely for use by the above referenced recipient. Any review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the recipient, and believe that you have received this in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received. Thank You! From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Wed Jan 14 15:41:49 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:41:49 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <496E783D.8040602@earthlink.net> They featured this urban legend in The Darwin Awards movie. You can see it in the trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIEQXIkXrPU Mythbusters video took their version to 180mph. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ORXv_1XlDY Top Gear did launch a mini Cooper off of a ski ramp powered by hybrid motors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IryDqbsb7c4 Top Gear did launch the Reliant Robin car into the air which crashed and exploded. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b4WzWFKQ20 Watching Fat Albert take off with the JATOs is great. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTf0n5hn5s0&feature=related Some rc electric glider flier mounted model rocket motors used as JATOs for takeoff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlZ0wo_pTxg Watching the Operation Credible Sport flight testing with a JATOs galore is pretty amazing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxfpGPWtoOY Terry Moore-Read wrote: > This story : http://business.fortunecity.com/executive/674/rocketcar.html > of the guy who claims to have inadvertently started the urban > legend is interesting, although other sources say it too is made up. > > > On Jan 14, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Paul Bogdanich wrote: > > >> Now, the winner of this year's Darwin Award >> (awarded, unfortunately, as always, posthumously) >> >> The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal >> embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of >> a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but >> it was a car. The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. >> Police investigators finally pieced together the mystery crash. An >> amateur rocket scientist had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit >> (Jet Assisted Take Off, actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used >> to give heavy military transport planes an extra 'push' for taking >> off from short airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into >> the desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached >> the JATO unit to the car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off >> the JATO! >> >> The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of >> the 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately >> 3.0 miles from the crash site. This was established by the scorched >> and melted asphalt at that location. >> >> The JATO, if operating properly, would have reached maximum thrust >> within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds well in excess >> of 350 mph and continuing at full power for an additional 20-25 >> seconds. >> >> The driver, and soon to be pilot, would have experienced G-forces >> usually reserved for dog fighting F-14 jocks under full >> afterburners, causing him to become irrelevant for the remainder of >> the event. However, the automobile remained on the straight highway >> for about 2.5 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied and >> completely melted the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick >> rubber marks on the road surface, then becoming airborne for an >> additional 1.4 miles and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 >> feet leaving a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock. Most of the >> driver's remains were not recoverable. However, small fragments of >> bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail >> and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a >> portion of the steering wheel. >> >> Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron attained a ground >> speed of approximately 420-mph, though much of his voyage was not >> actually on the ground. >> >> You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses > and dangerous content by Lukins & Annis, P.S. > > NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or > privileged material, and is intended solely > for use by the above referenced recipient. Any > review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- > bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. > > If you are not the recipient, and believe that > you have received this in error, please notify > the sender and delete the copy you received. > > Thank You! > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From winningstad at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 15:55:09 2009 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:55:09 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6899@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6899@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: <5C927C61063E4C7AA75A9DE6FA7EBCE3@downstair> One JATO is 1K lbs for 15 seconds...not near enough energy... Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 Chess anyone? 1. e4 (P-K4) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:14 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist Thoroughly busted by my two favorite guys--Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman, a.k.a., the Mythbusters. Their simulated RATO managed to get the vehicle up to slightly over 180 mph, but no liftoff was achieved and no wreckage was left. An attempt at a "supersize" version ended with a CATO of the rocket motor--disappointing from a testing the myth perspective, but totally acceptable for meeting the Mythbusters' big boom quota. AZ dept of public safety also categorically denies the myth. It never happened. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:02 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist Now, the winner of this year's Darwin Award (awarded, unfortunately, as always, posthumously) The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it was a car. The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. Police investigators finally pieced together the mystery crash. An amateur rocket scientist had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet Assisted Take Off, actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give heavy military transport planes an extra 'push' for taking off from short airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to the car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off the JATO! The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of the 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately 3.0 miles from the crash site. This was established by the scorched and melted asphalt at that location. The JATO, if operating properly, would have reached maximum thrust within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds well in excess of 350 mph and continuing at full power for an additional 20-25 seconds. The driver, and soon to be pilot, would have experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners, causing him to become irrelevant for the remainder of the event. However, the automobile remained on the straight highway for about 2.5 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied and completely melted the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface, then becoming airborne for an additional 1.4 miles and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 feet leaving a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock. Most of the driver's remains were not recoverable. However, small fragments of bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel. Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron attained a ground speed of approximately 420-mph, though much of his voyage was not actually on the ground. You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Thu Jan 15 01:12:55 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:12:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: <496E783D.8040602@earthlink.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com> <496E783D.8040602@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9f5eb89ba75ef188c6ecbc0e12b17593.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> But don't laugh too much, guys. Where I am right now in the cosmic economic scheme of things if I was absolutely certain that I could make money, stay out of jail, and SURVIVE such a stupid stunt, you'd be seeing me in the news: FAT OLD MAN SURVIVES IDIOTIC STUNT ...witnesses report he exhibited a deranged laugh all the way to the bank... :-) Have to get money for rockets somewhere! +McG+ (Gotta go Google "sauteed grasshoppers" now. It's all about preparation.) > They featured this urban legend in The Darwin Awards movie. You can see > it in the trailer. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIEQXIkXrPU > > Mythbusters video took their version to 180mph. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ORXv_1XlDY > > Top Gear did launch a mini Cooper off of a ski ramp powered by hybrid > motors. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IryDqbsb7c4 > > Top Gear did launch the Reliant Robin car into the air which crashed and > exploded. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b4WzWFKQ20 > > Watching Fat Albert take off with the JATOs is great. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTf0n5hn5s0&feature=related > > Some rc electric glider flier mounted model rocket motors used as JATOs > for takeoff. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlZ0wo_pTxg > > Watching the Operation Credible Sport flight testing with a JATOs galore > is pretty amazing. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxfpGPWtoOY > > Terry Moore-Read wrote: >> This story : >> http://business.fortunecity.com/executive/674/rocketcar.html >> of the guy who claims to have inadvertently started the urban >> legend is interesting, although other sources say it too is made up. >> >> >> On Jan 14, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Paul Bogdanich wrote: >> >> >>> Now, the winner of this year's Darwin Award >>> (awarded, unfortunately, as always, posthumously) >>> >>> The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal >>> embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of >>> a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but >>> it was a car. The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. >>> Police investigators finally pieced together the mystery crash. An >>> amateur rocket scientist had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit >>> (Jet Assisted Take Off, actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used >>> to give heavy military transport planes an extra 'push' for taking >>> off from short airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into >>> the desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached >>> the JATO unit to the car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off >>> the JATO! >>> >>> The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of >>> the 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately >>> 3.0 miles from the crash site. This was established by the scorched >>> and melted asphalt at that location. >>> >>> The JATO, if operating properly, would have reached maximum thrust >>> within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds well in excess >>> of 350 mph and continuing at full power for an additional 20-25 >>> seconds. >>> >>> The driver, and soon to be pilot, would have experienced G-forces >>> usually reserved for dog fighting F-14 jocks under full >>> afterburners, causing him to become irrelevant for the remainder of >>> the event. However, the automobile remained on the straight highway >>> for about 2.5 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied and >>> completely melted the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick >>> rubber marks on the road surface, then becoming airborne for an >>> additional 1.4 miles and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 >>> feet leaving a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock. Most of the >>> driver's remains were not recoverable. However, small fragments of >>> bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail >>> and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a >>> portion of the steering wheel. >>> >>> Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron attained a ground >>> speed of approximately 420-mph, though much of his voyage was not >>> actually on the ground. >>> >>> You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses >> and dangerous content by Lukins & Annis, P.S. >> >> NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or >> privileged material, and is intended solely >> for use by the above referenced recipient. Any >> review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- >> bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. >> >> If you are not the recipient, and believe that >> you have received this in error, please notify >> the sender and delete the copy you received. >> >> Thank You! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From billn at peak.org Thu Jan 15 02:29:02 2009 From: billn at peak.org (Bill Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:29:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] fireworks training In-Reply-To: References: <138301c97674$bb6fccc0$324f6640$@com> <134344.95120.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3137.208.51.52.91.1232015342.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> > I've done this, its fun. When I did it, they ran you through safety > and > other info, and at the end of the day everyone took turns lighting a > small > mortar. Once you're trained you can help at local pyro shows. Whether you are able to light a shell or not depends on the venue and whether the vendor can obtain a permit. I have worked with Larry for many years. He is an excellent instructor and a stickler for safety. If you want to attend a training session, I don't think you will find anyone in the PNW that is better qualified. Bill From jim at jmw29221.com Thu Jan 15 17:13:23 2009 From: jim at jmw29221.com (Jim Wilkerson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:13:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] HAM license tests Message-ID: <11513.71.35.176.92.1232068403.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Anyone in western Washington looking to take a HAM license test? There will be a HAM radio expo at the Puyallup fairgrounds on March 7, in the Pavilion Exhibition Hall. Examiners will be on hand to proctor HAM license tests. Contact information for taking the exams at this expo: ag7t at arri.net or 425-788-0452 Regards Jim From matjamison at aol.com Thu Jan 15 18:06:40 2009 From: matjamison at aol.com (matjamison at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:06:40 -0500 Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist Message-ID: <8CB459634B5552E-1180-1218@FWM-D28.sysops.aol.com> QUOTE: " cautiously made my way over to the remains of the Chevy, hoping an expended JATO would be a lot lighter than the full one. I gave it a tug, but it wouldn't budge. Beck came over and gave me a hand, but we still couldn't make it move? .? .? . " I'd like to believe the story but, the rocket *should* be frickin hot! . . . -------------- next part -------------- QUOTE: " cautiously made my way over to the remains of the Chevy, hoping an expended JATO would be a lot lighter than the full one. I gave it a tug, but it wouldn't budge. Beck came over and gave me a hand, but we still couldn't make it move? .? .? . " I'd like to believe the story but, the rocket *should* be frickin hot! . . . A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1216817552x1201106465/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=82%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO82 See yours in just 2 easy steps! From billn at peak.org Thu Jan 15 21:29:02 2009 From: billn at peak.org (Bill Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:29:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: <8CB459634B5552E-1180-1218@FWM-D28.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB459634B5552E-1180-1218@FWM-D28.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4304.208.51.52.91.1232083742.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> I see that Bennett is still conning investors out of millions in the UK. At least he doesn't appear to be launching rockets and trying to burn the UK countryside. Bill From billn at peak.org Thu Jan 15 01:39:30 2009 From: billn at peak.org (Bill Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:39:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: <9f5eb89ba75ef188c6ecbc0e12b17593.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com> <496E783D.8040602@earthlink.net> <9f5eb89ba75ef188c6ecbc0e12b17593.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Message-ID: <3051.208.51.52.91.1232012370.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> > Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron attained a ground > speed > of approximately 420-mph, though much of his voyage was not actually > on the ground. > > You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? Someone did. It was a known myth back in the 80's. I helped the alt.folklore.urban gang completely debunk it. Bill From winningstad at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 04:00:57 2009 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 04:00:57 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: <3051.208.51.52.91.1232012370.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com><496E783D.8040602@earthlink.net><9f5eb89ba75ef188c6ecbc0e12b17593.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> <3051.208.51.52.91.1232012370.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Message-ID: Just aint enough energy anyway...period...that simple...do the math... Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 Chess anyone? 1. e4 (P-K4) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bill Nelson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:40 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist > Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron attained a ground > speed > of approximately 420-mph, though much of his voyage was not actually > on the ground. > > You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? Someone did. It was a known myth back in the 80's. I helped the alt.folklore.urban gang completely debunk it. Bill _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bigrockets at verizon.net Fri Jan 16 04:45:41 2009 From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 04:45:41 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com><496E783D.8040602@earthlink.net><9f5eb89ba75ef188c6ecbc0e12b17593.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> <3051.208.51.52.91.1232012370.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Message-ID: <000001c977d8$57f38c30$07daa490$@net> Garden variety Chevrolet Impalas are in the 4000-4500 lb weight class. Most cars that size are about that weight. Dave Proffitt -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:01 AM To: 'Bill Nelson'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist Just aint enough energy anyway...period...that simple...do the math... Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 Chess anyone? 1. e4 (P-K4) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bill Nelson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:40 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist > Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron attained a ground > speed > of approximately 420-mph, though much of his voyage was not actually > on the ground. > > You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? Someone did. It was a known myth back in the 80's. I helped the alt.folklore.urban gang completely debunk it. Bill _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From vonrang at yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 05:58:07 2009 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:58:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: <000001c977d8$57f38c30$07daa490$@net> Message-ID: <572665.76665.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The '67 was big, but the 69/70 was by far the biggest boat Impala. The 70 came with a 400 cid S/B & TH400 automatic. Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Dave Proffitt wrote: > From: Dave Proffitt > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist > To: "OROC List" > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 4:45 AM > Garden variety Chevrolet Impalas are in the 4000-4500 lb > weight class. Most > cars that size are about that weight. > > Dave Proffitt > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:01 AM > To: 'Bill Nelson'; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist > > Just aint enough energy anyway...period...that simple...do > the math... > > Dennis S Winningstad > 503-781-3529 > > Chess anyone? 1. e4 (P-K4) > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Bill Nelson > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:40 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist > > > Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron > attained a ground > > speed > > of approximately 420-mph, though much of his voyage > was not actually > > on the ground. > > > > You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? > > Someone did. It was a known myth back in the 80's. I > helped the > alt.folklore.urban gang completely debunk it. > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From robert.krausert at intel.com Fri Jan 16 14:00:25 2009 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:00:25 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] 2009 OROC Launch Schedule Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1C1808D9@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> FYI ________________________________ From: members-bounces at oregonrocketry.org [mailto:members-bounces at oregonrocketry.org] On Behalf Of Randy Birzer Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:56 PM To: members at oregonrocketry.org Subject: [OROC Members] 2009 OROC Launch Schedule The Revised 2009 Oregon Rocketry Launch Schedule is attached. The launch weekends for July and October were changed from an earlier schedule to ensure that we would have a vendor on site at each launch. I know some of you have scheduled time off work and vacations around these launches so we will try not to make any more changes! Hope to see you there! Randy Birzer OregonRocketry Launch Director No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1897 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 6:52 AM -------------- next part -------------- FYI From: members-bounces at oregonrocketry.org [mailto:members-bounces at oregonrocketry.org] On Behalf Of Randy Birzer Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:56 PM To: members at oregonrocketry.org Subject: [OROC Members] 2009 OROC Launch Schedule The Revised 2009 Oregon Rocketry Launch Schedule is attached. ? The launch weekends for July and October were changed from an earlier schedule to ensure that we would have a vendor on site at each launch. ? 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Name: ATT00001.txt Url: http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20090116/66a7b082/attachment-0001.txt From sb at berfield.com Fri Jan 16 14:08:46 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:08:46 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] AMW/CTI Pro-X reloads Message-ID: Has anyone tried out the Animal Motor Works Pro-X reloads for CTI cases? Interested in how well they work and how easy they are to light (CTI motors ALWAYS light). -------------- next part -------------- Has anyone tried out the Animal Motor Works Pro-X reloads for CTI cases? Interested in how well they work and how easy they are to light (CTI motors ALWAYS light). From billn at peak.org Fri Jan 16 15:54:34 2009 From: billn at peak.org (Bill Nelson) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:54:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] A Genius Rocket Scientist In-Reply-To: <000001c977d8$57f38c30$07daa490$@net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090114135848.0353de78@mail.iinet.com><496E783D.8040602@earthlink.net><9f5eb89ba75ef188c6ecbc0e12b17593.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> <3051.208.51.52.91.1232012370.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <000001c977d8$57f38c30$07daa490$@net> Message-ID: <2655.208.51.52.91.1232150074.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> > Garden variety Chevrolet Impalas are in the 4000-4500 lb weight > class. Most cars that size are about that weight. OK. Assume 1000 pounds for the empty ore cart. With a 1000 pound thrust JATO unit, that means 0.2 g acceleration, under frictionless conditions and assuming a perfectly horizontal track. V = 0.2 x 32 x 12 = 76.8 ft/sec = 52.4 mph So both the "origin story" and the legend are, as Dennis stated, patently false. Just in case anyone is interested, the distance the cart/car would travel while under thrust is; d = 0.5a(t)^2 = 0.5 x 0.2 x 32 x 144 ft d = 460.8 feet. A horse could easily have outrun it. Bill From donhouston at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 17 04:59:14 2009 From: donhouston at bellsouth.net (Don Houston) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:59:14 -0500 Subject: [RocketsNW] AMW/CTI Pro-X reloads Message-ID: I flew "lil dog dual deploy" at Florida Winter Nationals last February to 5425' using a 38mm demo 3gr Red Rhino. It physically looked like the CTI product and was the first off the pad in a 3-way drag race sponsored by Wildman Rocketry. It has the igniter, the little starter plug inside, fit the CTI motor case. Only the AMW propellant formulation is different. -Don Houston From dennys at carnitech.net Sat Jan 17 13:40:17 2009 From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:40:17 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Skyripper 38mm realod kit In-Reply-To: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005106D80EC@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> References: <20090112033315.OWIQ1042.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@COM> <22BED118B3284878BB77E25EFDD02C47@stktksrv>, <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005106D80EC@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Message-ID: <97EAA5C1-6AC2-4D96-838B-D4B4D8EA5577@mimectl> While cleaning up today, I found a brand new, unopened 38mm Skyripper reload kit that I don't need. It has 3 ea. PVC fuel grains, liners, fill tubing, pre-heat grains, o-rings, ingiters, etc. Ping me off list if interested. -Denny -------------- next part -------------- While cleaning up today, I found a brand new, unopened 38mm Skyripper reload kit that I don't need.? It has 3 ea. PVC fuel grains, liners, fill tubing, pre-heat grains, o-rings, ingiters, etc. ? Ping me off list if interested. -Denny From bigredbee at gmail.com Sun Jan 18 18:15:00 2009 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:15:00 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] BigRedBee w/ VX-8R? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Answering my own question.... I bought a VX-8R at HRO today, and confirm that it DOES properly decode both the 2 meter and 70cm flavors of the BigRedBee GPS/APRS transmitter. The VX-8R is the ONLY currently available hand held radio that integrates an APRS decoder. All other (handheld) solutions require at least two 'boxes' and a cable. The Kenwood D710 is a viable mobile alternative, but costs even more than the VX-8. The guy behind the counter said that Kenwood might be coming out with something in 2010. -- Greg On 12/31/08, Greg Clark wrote: > Does anyone have one of Yaesu's VX-8R and a BigRedBee GPS ??? > > I'd like to confirm that the VX-8R can correctly decode and display the packets. > > > -- Greg > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sun Jan 18 18:37:57 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:37:57 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] BigRedBee w/ VX-8R? References: Message-ID: <00b001c979de$f10cd360$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> All, Great news on the VX-8R. Working and playing well with BigRedBee's GPS units. As an owner of the Kenwood TM-D710, I recommend keep walking. The unit was supposed to be a follow on to the 700. They failed. One of many examples include storage of PL tones. The D710 will not store the input or output PL tone of any station in memory. Whether CT, DTS, or standard - the unit will not store it. You are required to know/remember the tone for each station and program them in when you select them from memory. In addition the tone must be programmed in two menu locations. Instead of having a nice choice of [Trans only] or [Both] in the menu, you must select and set both transmit and separately the receive tone. Kenwood's feedback is they lack the memory space to store tones. Now one big feature of the D710, you get 1000 memories to store stations/repeaters. Guess having a 1000 memories versus storing pl tones was more impressive. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Clark" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] BigRedBee w/ VX-8R? > Answering my own question.... > > I bought a VX-8R at HRO today, and confirm that it DOES properly > decode both the 2 meter and 70cm flavors of the BigRedBee GPS/APRS > transmitter. > > The VX-8R is the ONLY currently available hand held radio that > integrates an APRS decoder. All other (handheld) solutions require at > least two 'boxes' and a cable. The Kenwood D710 is a viable mobile > alternative, but costs even more than the VX-8. > > The guy behind the counter said that Kenwood might be coming out with > something in 2010. > > -- Greg > > On 12/31/08, Greg Clark wrote: >> Does anyone have one of Yaesu's VX-8R and a BigRedBee GPS ??? >> >> I'd like to confirm that the VX-8R can correctly decode and display the >> packets. >> >> >> -- Greg >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From tnetcenter at gmail.com Sun Jan 18 22:39:26 2009 From: tnetcenter at gmail.com (Jeff Moore) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:39:26 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] BigRedBee w/ VX-8R? References: <00b001c979de$f10cd360$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: I purchased a D710 about 2 months ago. I haven't had any issues with storing the PL tones for the numerous repeaters in the area. Are you referring to PM configuration? Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Krausert" All, Great news on the VX-8R. Working and playing well with BigRedBee's GPS units. As an owner of the Kenwood TM-D710, I recommend keep walking. The unit was supposed to be a follow on to the 700. They failed. One of many examples include storage of PL tones. The D710 will not store the input or output PL tone of any station in memory. Whether CT, DTS, or standard - the unit will not store it. You are required to know/remember the tone for each station and program them in when you select them from memory. In addition the tone must be programmed in two menu locations. Instead of having a nice choice of [Trans only] or [Both] in the menu, you must select and set both transmit and separately the receive tone. Kenwood's feedback is they lack the memory space to store tones. Now one big feature of the D710, you get 1000 memories to store stations/repeaters. Guess having a 1000 memories versus storing pl tones was more impressive. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Clark" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] BigRedBee w/ VX-8R? > Answering my own question.... > > I bought a VX-8R at HRO today, and confirm that it DOES properly > decode both the 2 meter and 70cm flavors of the BigRedBee GPS/APRS > transmitter. > > The VX-8R is the ONLY currently available hand held radio that > integrates an APRS decoder. All other (handheld) solutions require at > least two 'boxes' and a cable. The Kenwood D710 is a viable mobile > alternative, but costs even more than the VX-8. > > The guy behind the counter said that Kenwood might be coming out with > something in 2010. > > -- Greg > > On 12/31/08, Greg Clark wrote: >> Does anyone have one of Yaesu's VX-8R and a BigRedBee GPS ??? >> >> I'd like to confirm that the VX-8R can correctly decode and display the >> packets. >> >> >> -- Greg >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From chris at faponline.net Mon Jan 19 08:04:54 2009 From: chris at faponline.net (Chris Stone) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:04:54 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] HAM license tests In-Reply-To: <11513.71.35.176.92.1232068403.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Message-ID: <513795A65EF64DC69AA31C8C8D2A8AA6@Bangor> I am taking my HAM exam on Wednesday evening in Poulsbo. The expo would be fun to check out and might be a good opportunity to get a radio if you need one. Christopher Stone -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wilkerson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:13 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] HAM license tests Anyone in western Washington looking to take a HAM license test? There will be a HAM radio expo at the Puyallup fairgrounds on March 7, in the Pavilion Exhibition Hall. Examiners will be on hand to proctor HAM license tests. Contact information for taking the exams at this expo: ag7t at arri.net or 425-788-0452 Regards Jim _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bigrockets at verizon.net Mon Jan 19 13:06:02 2009 From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:06:02 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] What a find! Message-ID: <003b01c97a79$bd93eeb0$38bbcc10$@net> I was unpacking some more of my boxes and found my old Cannon ES 3000 - 8mm camcorder. I should say rocketcorder. This camera probably shot more rocket events than anything else in it's lifetime. With it I also found a couple of 8mm tapes. One of which is my very first high power rocket event. Please excuse my girl friend at the time, and my , "Wows!" We were doing this on H motors! LOL! The highlight of the tape was some of Michele's best photography. She caught Dale Campbell's LOC Magnum turning into a cruise missile and flying sideways for at least a quarter of a mile before it touched down in the plowed field at Amity. This flight was powered by a J-125. There is just a ton of old footage on this tape, all us old OROC people on it, Scott Raigner (sorry if I misspelled your name Scott), Dave and Matt, Dennis, Myself, Michele, Fred, John Lyngdal, Steve Westby, Peter Clay. There is mine and Michele's level 2 Tripoli cert flights. Michele did her cert with a LOC Minnie Magg called "Oh Baby!" Those of you who knew Michele understand the name. She talked me into painting it pink and black. She wanted it to look like someone had spilled a can of black paint over the top of a pink rocket. So that's the way we did it. It came out good, it was actually one of my favorite paint schemes. My level 2 cert rocket is a Binder Design Sentinel in Bumble Bee black and yellow. I think I called it the "Warp Speed Wasp." This flight was on a J-350 with no nose ballast. The rocket did some fancy sky writing but still ejected ok. It drifted behind the access road at Amity and clear behind all the filbert orchards as well. When Michele and I went out to recover it a spectator wanted to help. I said "sure" and he tagged along. I'm glad he did because after two hours of stomping around in the thistles I was ready to call it quits. All of the sudden he yells "Is this your rocket?" He holds up this pink parachute and low and behold he had found it! I had the camera along and you can see us stumbling up onto the rocket with him holding it up (booster section). Michele's flight went pretty uneventful she had a perfect flight and recovery, after the rocket had landed (in a plowed field) the wind drug it for at least 100 yards and one of the fins came off. She built it as per instructions. I tried to talk her into making fins that went into the motor tube but she passed on that. The rest of her rockets all had motor tube mounted fins from then on. So she got her level 2 cert. There was some controversy about it, because some folks said she shouldn't have got it because she couldn't fly it again. Well I looked at it this way, the rocket motor lit, it flew straight up, had a perfect recovery so her recovery charge time was right, the parachute ejected without incident or a zipper, the rocket landed in a plowed field in one piece. The wind dragged it thru various and sundry dirtclods and one of the fins came off. It was very windy that day. I have it all on video on this tape. You be the judge. Anyway this is a tape of tapes in my library. I'd like to share it with all of you especially the cruise missile foot which has to be seen to fully appreciate. There is also some footage from Millican, complete with some research motor testing by John L and Greg. In those days we used to set off some fun stuff that Bruce Nolting would bring out. His company would use this stuff and they always had left overs that they wanted to dispose of so Bruce disposed of it for them and for our amusement. I have some of that on this tape too. Do we have any way of showing videos at the club meetings? This is on an 8mm tape. Its easy to hook this into a VCR front jack set up or a TV. The camcorder has a remote and runs great in the VCR mode. I'll bring this tape into the next meeting if any of you would like to see it, if we have time for it on the agenda? BTW When is the next meeting? Dave Proffitt -------------- next part -------------- I was unpacking some more of my boxes and found my old Cannon ES 3000 ??? 8mm camcorder. I should say rocketcorder. This camera probably shot more rocket events than anything else in it???s lifetime. With it I also found a couple of 8mm tapes. One of which is my very first high power rocket event. Please excuse my girl friend at the time, and my , ???Wows!??? We were doing this on H motors! LOL! The highlight of the tape was some of Michele???s best photography. She caught Dale Campbell???s LOC Magnum turning into a cruise missile and flying sideways for at least a quarter of a mile before it touched down in the plowed field at Amity. This flight was powered by a J-125. There is just a ton of old footage on this tape, all us old OROC people on it, Scott Raigner (sorry if I misspelled your name Scott), Dave and Matt, Dennis, Myself, Michele, Fred, John Lyngdal, Steve Westby, Peter Clay. There is mine and Michele???s level 2 Tripoli cert flights. Michele did her cert with a LOC Minnie Magg called ???Oh Baby!??? Those of you who knew Michele understand the name. She talked me into painting it pink and black. She wanted it to look like someone had spilled a can of black paint over the top of a pink rocket. So that???s the way we did it. It came out good, it was actually one of my favorite paint schemes. My level 2 cert rocket is a Binder Design Sentinel in Bumble Bee black and yellow. I think I called it the ???Warp Speed Wasp.??? This flight was on a J-350 with no nose ballast. The rocket did some fancy sky writing but still ejected ok. It drifted behind the access road at Amity and clear behind all the filbert orchards as well. When Michele and I went out to recover it a spectator wanted to help. I said ???sure??? and he tagged along. I???m glad he did because after two hours of stomping around in the thistles I was ready to call it quits. All of the sudden he yells ???Is this your rocket???? He holds up this pink parachute and low and behold he had found it! I had the camera along and you can see us stumbling up onto the rocket with him holding it up (booster section). Michele???s flight went pretty uneventful she had a perfect flight and recovery, after the rocket had landed (in a plowed field) the wind drug it for at least 100 yards and one of the fins came off. She built it as per instructions. I tried to talk her into making fins that went into the motor tube but she passed on that. The rest of her rockets all had motor tube mounted fins from then on. So she got her level 2 cert. There was some controversy about it, because some folks said she shouldn???t have got it because she couldn???t fly it again. Well I looked at it this way, the rocket motor lit, it flew straight up, had a perfect recovery so her recovery charge time was right, the parachute ejected without incident or a zipper, the rocket landed in a plowed field in one piece. The wind dragged it thru various and sundry dirtclods and one of the fins came off. It was very windy that day. I have it all on video on this tape. You be the judge. Anyway this is a tape of tapes in my library. I???d like to share it with all of you especially the cruise missile foot which has to be seen to fully appreciate. There is also some footage from Millican, complete with some research motor testing by John L and Greg. In those days we used to set off some fun stuff that Bruce Nolting would bring out. His company would use this stuff and they always had left overs that they wanted to dispose of so Bruce disposed of it for them and for our amusement. I have some of that on this tape too. Do we have any way of showing videos at the club meetings? This is on an 8mm tape. Its easy to hook this into a VCR front jack set up or a TV. The camcorder has a remote and runs great in the VCR mode. I???ll bring this tape into the next meeting if any of you would like to see it, if we have time for it on the agenda? BTW When is the next meeting? ? Dave Proffitt From robert.krausert at intel.com Mon Jan 19 13:14:28 2009 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:14:28 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] What a find! In-Reply-To: <003b01c97a79$bd93eeb0$38bbcc10$@net> References: <003b01c97a79$bd93eeb0$38bbcc10$@net> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1C1CFC83@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Dave, I'll send a message to you this evening off list about the club meeting and get this added to the agenda. Sounds like a great agenda topic. Next meeting will be February 5th, Thursday. We can work out logistics then. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:06 PM To: OROC List Subject: [RocketsNW] What a find! I was unpacking some more of my boxes and found my old Cannon ES 3000 - 8mm camcorder. I should say rocketcorder. This camera probably shot more rocket events than anything else in it's lifetime. With it I also found a couple of 8mm tapes. One of which is my very first high power rocket event. Please excuse my girl friend at the time, and my , "Wows!" We were doing this on H motors! LOL! The highlight of the tape was some of Michele's best photography. She caught Dale Campbell's LOC Magnum turning into a cruise missile and flying sideways for at least a quarter of a mile before it touched down in the plowed field at Amity. This flight was powered by a J-125. There is just a ton of old footage on this tape, all us old OROC people on it, Scott Raigner (sorry if I misspelled your name Scott), Dave and Matt, Dennis, Myself, Michele, Fred, John Lyngdal, Steve Westby, Peter Clay. There is mine and Michele's level 2 Tripoli cert flights. Michele did her cert with a LOC Minnie Magg called "Oh Baby!" Those of you who knew Michele understand the name. She talked me into painting it pink and black. She wanted it to look like someone had spilled a can of black paint over the top of a pink rocket. So that's the way we did it. It came out good, it was actually one of my favorite paint schemes. My level 2 cert rocket is a Binder Design Sentinel in Bumble Bee black and yellow. I think I called it the "Warp Speed Wasp." This flight was on a J-350 with no nose ballast. The rocket did some fancy sky writing but still ejected ok. It drifted behind the access road at Amity and clear behind all the filbert orchards as well. When Michele and I went out to recover it a spectator wanted to help. I said "sure" and he tagged along. I'm glad he did because after two hours of stomping around in the thistles I was ready to call it quits. All of the sudden he yells "Is this your rocket?" He holds up this pink parachute and low and behold he had found it! I had the camera along and you can see us stumbling up onto the rocket with him holding it up (booster section). Michele's flight went pretty uneventful she had a perfect flight and recovery, after the rocket had landed (in a plowed field) the wind drug it for at least 100 yards and one of the fins came off. She built it as per instructions. I tried to talk her into making fins that went into the motor tube but she passed on that. The rest of her rockets all had motor tube mounted fins from then on. So she got her level 2 cert. There was some controversy about it, because some folks said she shouldn't have got it because she couldn't fly it again. Well I looked at it this way, the rocket motor lit, it flew straight up, had a perfect recovery so her recovery charge time was right, the parachute ejected without incident or a zipper, the rocket landed in a plowed field in one piece. The wind dragged it thru various and sundry dirtclods and one of the fins came off. It was very windy that day. I have it all on video on this tape. You be the judge. Anyway this is a tape of tapes in my library. I'd like to share it with all of you especially the cruise missile foot which has to be seen to fully appreciate. There is also some footage from Millican, complete with some research motor testing by John L and Greg. In those days we used to set off some fun stuff that Bruce Nolting would bring out. His company would use this stuff and they always had left overs that they wanted to dispose of so Bruce disposed of it for them and for our amusement. I have some of that on this tape too. Do we have any way of showing videos at the club meetings? This is on an 8mm tape. Its easy to hook this into a VCR front jack set up or a TV. The camcorder has a remote and runs great in the VCR mode. I'll bring this tape into the next meeting if any of you would like to see it, if we have time for it on the agenda? BTW When is the next meeting? Dave Proffitt From fross at big-cat.us Mon Jan 19 14:04:44 2009 From: fross at big-cat.us (Frank Ross) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:04:44 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] BigRedBee w/ VX-8R? Message-ID: <4974F8FC.1000901@big-cat.us> Robert, I have a TM-D710 and have no problem storing tones. If you load up MCP-2A (Kenwood SW) you can set the tone (tone, CTCSS, DTS) from the "channel edit" function of the memory channel display. -Frank > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:37:57 -0800 > From: "Robert Krausert" > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] BigRedBee w/ VX-8R? > To: "Greg Clark" , > Message-ID: <00b001c979de$f10cd360$6901a8c0 at LaptopKrausert> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > All, > Great news on the VX-8R. Working and playing well with BigRedBee's GPS > units. > > As an owner of the Kenwood TM-D710, I recommend keep walking. The unit was > supposed to be a follow on to the 700. They failed. One of many examples > include storage of PL tones. The D710 will not store the input or output PL > tone of any station in memory. Whether CT, DTS, or standard - the unit will > not store it. You are required to know/remember the tone for each station > and program them in when you select them from memory. In addition the tone > must be programmed in two menu locations. Instead of having a nice choice of > [Trans only] or [Both] in the menu, you must select and set both transmit > and separately the receive tone. > > Kenwood's feedback is they lack the memory space to store tones. Now one big > feature of the D710, you get 1000 memories to store stations/repeaters. > Guess having a 1000 memories versus storing pl tones was more impressive. > > Cheers, > Robert From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Jan 19 17:37:16 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:37:16 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] BigRedBee w/ VX-8R? References: <4974F8FC.1000901@big-cat.us> Message-ID: <000401c97a9f$a14481e0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Jeff said the same thing. I purchased mine when they first came out. So I might need a firmware update. Thank you for the info. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross" To: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] BigRedBee w/ VX-8R? > Robert, > > I have a TM-D710 and have no problem storing tones. If you load up MCP-2A > (Kenwood SW) you can set the tone (tone, CTCSS, DTS) from the "channel > edit" function of the memory channel display. > > -Frank > > >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:37:57 -0800 >> From: "Robert Krausert" >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] BigRedBee w/ VX-8R? >> To: "Greg Clark" , >> Message-ID: <00b001c979de$f10cd360$6901a8c0 at LaptopKrausert> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> All, >> Great news on the VX-8R. Working and playing well with BigRedBee's GPS >> units. >> >> As an owner of the Kenwood TM-D710, I recommend keep walking. The unit >> was >> supposed to be a follow on to the 700. They failed. One of many examples >> include storage of PL tones. The D710 will not store the input or output >> PL >> tone of any station in memory. Whether CT, DTS, or standard - the unit >> will >> not store it. You are required to know/remember the tone for each station >> and program them in when you select them from memory. In addition the >> tone >> must be programmed in two menu locations. Instead of having a nice choice >> of >> [Trans only] or [Both] in the menu, you must select and set both transmit >> and separately the receive tone. >> >> Kenwood's feedback is they lack the memory space to store tones. Now one >> big >> feature of the D710, you get 1000 memories to store stations/repeaters. >> Guess having a 1000 memories versus storing pl tones was more impressive. >> >> Cheers, >> Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 15:15:30 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:15:30 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Science Day; Outreach opportunity February 16 in Salem Message-ID: All, Please be aware that the AC Gilbert's Discovery Village is holding an all ages science day February 16th. Steve Tarr has accepted to attend the event, and is seeking others to help participate. Comments below are from Debbie, facilitator of those attending. Steve has some great ideas, and he will share with you if you want to help. If you're interesting in helping to promote rocketry and help answer questions at the OROC table, please email Steve and let him know. Reach Steve at stevet19759 at comcast.net Cheers, Robert Subject: Outreach opportunity February 16 in Salem Hi! My name is Debbie Schmidt. I've been launching with you at Sheridan for years, and this last October joined the fun in Brothers.........I was with the Scout contingent (think jerky and lemonade in Sheridan, Pink footie jammies by the fire in Brothers). Anyway, I'm emailing because another hat I wear is as a learning facilitator (teacher) for AC Gilbert's Discovery Village in Salem. I"m the coordinator for our Sizzling Science Day on February 16, President's Day, as well. I know this is short notice.......I sorta got behind and side-tracked being snowed in, off line, off phone for much of December.......I was wondering if there was any way anyone from your club would be able/interested in coming to either give a short talk or have an informational table at this event. The theme is science through the ages, so I' could tie you in with some kind of either Chinese gun powder thing, or the future..........blasting off into space - well, any number of things. I'm going to get in touch with a gentleman working on the Sugar Shot? project, as well. I have also asked our rocketry Scout leaders and Scouts if they would like to be at an informational table (you'd be next to each other, or sharing a table and each have part of the day, or you'd talk and they'd have a table.........or.............) Anyway, if there is any way to get in touch with a real person, if anyone is interested.......please let me know! -------------- next part -------------- All, Please be aware that the AC Gilbert's Discovery Village is holding an all ages science day February 16th. Steve Tarr has accepted to attend the event, and is seeking others to help participate. Comments below are from Debbie, facilitator of those attending. Steve has some great ideas, and he will share with you if you want to help. ? If you're interesting in helping to promote rocketry and help answer questions at the OROC table, please email Steve and let him know. Reach Steve at mailto:stevet19759 at comcast.net stevet19759 at comcast.net ? Cheers, Robert ? ? Subject: Outreach opportunity February 16 in Salem Hi!? My name is Debbie Schmidt.? I've been launching with you at Sheridan for years, and this last October joined the fun in Brothers.........I was with the Scout contingent (think jerky and lemonade in Sheridan, Pink footie jammies by the fire in Brothers).? Anyway, I'm emailing because another hat I wear is as a learning facilitator (teacher) for AC Gilbert's Discovery Village in Salem.? I"m the coordinator for our Sizzling Science Day on February 16, President's Day, as well.? I know this is short notice.......I sorta got behind and side-tracked being snowed in, off line, off phone for much of December.......I was wondering if there was any way anyone from your club would be able/interested in coming to either give a short talk or have an informational table at this event.? The theme is science through the ages, so I' could tie you in with some kind of either Chinese gun powder thing, or the future..........blasting off into space - well, any number of things.? I'm going to get in touch with a gentleman working on the Sugar Shot? project, as well.? I have also asked our rocketry Scout leaders and Scouts if they would like to be at an informational table (you'd be next to each other, or sharing a table and each have part of the day, or you'd talk and they'd have a table.........or.............) ? Anyway, if there is any way to get in touch with a real person, if anyone is interested.......please let me know! From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sat Jan 24 03:52:42 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 03:52:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Test Message-ID: <7ecc10c58fd37f51b7f7177a51db0cd5.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Testoo From appusher at q.com Sat Jan 24 13:51:00 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:51:00 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rouse-tech order going in the end of this coming week Message-ID: Anyone want to add anything? Now's a good time to get your parts for this seasons planned flights. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me -------------- next part -------------- Anyone want to add anything?? Now's a good time to get your parts for this seasons planned flights. ? ? ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sat Jan 24 19:08:50 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:08:50 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Amended FAR101 code effective 2FEB09 Message-ID: <497BD7C2.9040201@earthlink.net> I received the updated FAR101 code from Carol Long at the FAA. It is in Word format and has been uploaded to the RocketsNW server. All the highlighted yellow areas are where the code has been amended. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Title%2014%20FAR%20101%202FEB2009%20amendments.doc Robert From bjarchow at gmail.com Sat Jan 24 19:46:50 2009 From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:46:50 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Amended FAR101 code effective 2FEB09 In-Reply-To: <497BD7C2.9040201@earthlink.net> References: <497BD7C2.9040201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On the first decent weather day after Feb 1 I am planning to celebrate the new regulations by launching a 1.5 pound rocket without having to call the local tower. I don't know if anybody else noticed section 101.1 says the regs apply to "Any unmanned rocket except aerial firework displays" After reading that statement I started thinking about an M powered pyrotechnic delivery vehicle... On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Hammer wrote: > I received the updated FAR101 code from Carol Long at the FAA. It is in > Word format and has been uploaded to the RocketsNW server. All the > highlighted yellow areas are where the code has been amended. > > > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Title%2014%20FAR%20101%202FEB2009%20amendments.doc > > > Robert -------------- next part -------------- I don't know if anybody else noticed section 101.1 says the regs apply to " Any unmanned rocket except aerial firework displays " After reading that statement I started thinking about an M powered pyrotechnic delivery vehicle... On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Hammer < mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net > wrote: I received the updated FAR101 code from Carol Long at the FAA. ?It is in Word format and has been uploaded to the RocketsNW server. ?All the highlighted yellow areas are where the code has been amended. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Title%2014%20FAR%20101%202FEB2009%20amendments.doc http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Title%2014%20FAR%20101%202FEB2009%20amendments.doc Robert From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Jan 25 13:37:25 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:37:25 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frozen Thunder rocket launch In-Reply-To: <98C42732CB4B404BA3CC75F68BC682CD@bleu> References: <496AE1F7.3000402@earthlink.net> <98C42732CB4B404BA3CC75F68BC682CD@bleu> Message-ID: <497CDB95.5050200@earthlink.net> Thanks for coming out to the launch, Patrick! The launch turned out much better than I expected. Not only was our launch crew there flying rockets but so were a number of other families on both the north and south fields who had no knowledge of Frozen Thunder. There were probably about 50 flights in total. Shortly after meeting Dave Randall at 60 Acres at 10AM he set up his L3 rocket as a display-only to help attract attention to where the launch was being held because it had changed from the south field to the north field. I would say within five minutes or less a Redmond Police car pulled up. The cop wanted to know if Dave was going to fly his rocket at 60 Acres. I snapped a photo of the close encounter. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20215.jpg My first thought was that the cop would call other LEOs and/or have the Department of Homeland Security or some other alphabet government agency show up. But after a few minutes he left but came back by a little later to watch a couple of model rockets lift off. It was a little chilly (33 degrees F) when we set up the launch but the skies were clear with barely any wind. It did warm up to about 45 or so as the launch progressed through the day. It certainly beats the snow from last month. Dave was first to fly with his Mini Bertha with a nominal recovery. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20220.jpg http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20222.jpg Here is a pic of Bill about to launch his Estes Ninja which was second launch of the day. He only had to take a few steps to retrieve it. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20224.jpg Bill did eventually later fly a Estes Alpha 3 that landed in the trees (aka Rocketus Eatemupus) behind the flight line. But he was prepared with a ladder and a broom. The third launch was my Estes DC Gemini without the parallel SRBs attached. No pic but the launch (on a B4 motor) and recovery were perfect. I'll launch it with the SRBs next time. Here is Dave giving some LCO training to the next generation of rocketeers ready to launch their rockets. I think this is the part where he's telling them to watch out for any air traffic including birds. One small airplane did fly over looking for the launch as well as large bird - either a large hawk or an immature bald eagle. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20242.jpg I brought out my not-completely-finished Sirius Rocketry S.S. Cestris. http://www.siriusrocketry.com/SSCestris.htm I had planned on not flying it and did not bring motors for it. Even though it was flight worthy because I wanted to add a foam glider on its back and paint it before seeing it take to the skies. It normally takes one 18mm motor for flight but I upgraded the power plant potential of this still-new-to-the-market kit. The center motor mount went from the 18mm stock mount to a 24mm long enough for E motors. The two outboard airframe tubes had 18mm motor mounts added. Dave donated the motors (Thanks, Dave!) - one E9 and two C6s - with 45.5 N-secs total impulse at lift off which is the equivalent of between an Aerotech F12 and an F24. Unfortunately, I missed the liftoff but did get an in-flight shot. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20244.jpg As a result of the upgrade with a higher top speed I think one of the wings generated more lift or flexed creating a large spiral upward through the sky. I think I will add some more CF to stiffen those wings! http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20245.jpg I also installed an ejection baffle to protect the protect the parachute. It did the job after looking it over after recovery by one of our budding rocketeers. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20248.jpg A father and his two sons who heard about our launch from the Hobbytown hobby shop in Redmond (courtesy of Dave) and came out to fly with us. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20258.jpg He had to do a recovery from a tree with the help of Bill's ladder and broom. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20267.jpg One family brought out their two sons to fly rockets who did not know about Frozen Thunder and joined in the fun. I took a pic of the two with Dave's rocket right before they left. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20269.jpg As the morning progressed into afternoon more people showed up both in the north and south fields. I've never seen that many people flying at 60 Acres before. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20237.jpg Even Carl made it for a few flights! http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20276.jpg Dave did a couple of flights with his Patriot and a Boostervision camera but he had problems with the video down link receiver. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20254.jpg One family who flew in the north field to the NE of our launch site was the Koeppen clan. I walked over to see if they needed help. The eldest son was new to the hobby and had a brand new Estes Comanche-3. He had been trying for three of four months to fly it but the weather was never decent enough until this day. I assisted them in making sure the motors were prepped correctly as well as the parachute. I remember the Comanche-3 I flew back in 1984 had a streamer instead of parachute. They did a first flight with the single stage for stability and a wind check. The wind on the ground and a little higher was still very light so the recovery was close by. It was decided that a three-stage flight should proceed. Prep. http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20274.jpg Liftoff! http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20275.jpg Both booster stages were recovered but the sustainer was not due to the winds at 2000+ feet moving faster and carrying the Comanche possibly into the Sammamish River. I would like to thank everyone who came out to Frozen Thunder and hope to see you there at the next launch tentatively set for Sunday, 15FEB09. Does any one have ideas for a name? Robert patrick (urban cheese records) wrote: > Thanks for putting on this launch, we had a lot of fun! > > -Patrick, Henry & John > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:23 PM > Subject: [RocketsNW] Frozen Thunder rocket launch announcement > > > Launch Announcement! Launch Announcement! Launch Announcement! > > > Ladies and Gentlemen, > > Welcome to the Frozen Thunder rocket launch, hosted by no one in > particular, which will be held at 60 Acres Park in Redmond, Washington. > Launch operations will commence on Sunday, 18 January 2009 at 10:00AM > and conclude around 2:00PM or until the rockets get too tired to fly > (weather permitting). Any and all rockets within the sound of this > launch announcement are invited by the launch announcer to encourage > their owners to bring them to this once-in-a-lifetime event. > > > All rockets from 1/4A to (FAR101) G power will be welcome as long as you > can land within the confines of the park. Spot landings are encouraged. > Please RSVP the launch announcer if you are planning for any FAR101 > rockets to take to the skies so the FAA can be contacted prior to launch > day. > > 60 Acres Park is located in the very beautiful, scenic, and sunny > metropolis of Redmond, Washington and is very easy to find. If your > rocket needs directions to the launch site please enter this address > below into Google Earth or other mapping website or software. > > 15200 NE 116th Street, Remond, WA 98052. > > The park is split in half by NE 116th street. Launch operations will be > conducted on the south field with recovery operations being conducted on > both the north and south fields. Parking on the north side is closed but > 20 parking spaces are available near the northwest corner of the south > field. All rockets will instruct their owners that motorized vehicles > are not allowed on either field. For more info you can visit the 60 > Acres Park website at http://www.60acres.org/ . The south field camera > should be available for virtual spectators. > > Flying safely is critical to our continued access to the field. Please > refrain from landsharking, cruisemissling, lawndarting, and coresampling > over the heads of spectators, cars, dogs, dog-walkers, and r/c airplane > fliers. Rockets will need to talk to their owners about bringing their > own GSE to the launch site as the non-existent launch host has none to > provide. If there any newcomers to the hobby please tell your owner to > present you to any seasoned rocketeer to verify your stability before > flight. > > Prepping rockets is no fun in the cold so if you plan to attend please > remember to dress warmly with hats, coats, and gloves. The fields at 60 > Acres can get muddy but they could be covered with snow so don?t forget > warm, waterproof footwear. > > ****In the event of a sudden loss of launch site air pressure**, masks > will descend from the cloud ceiling. Stop screaming, grab the mask, and > pull it over your face. If you have a small child or spectator launching > with you, secure your mask before assisting with theirs. If you are > launching with more than one small child, pick your favorite. > > When you leave the launch site please be sure to take all of your > belongings and trash. If you leave anything, please be sure it's > something we'd like to have. Even though there are garbage containers on > the field, they don't get emptied on a regular basis. > > We'd like to thank you folks who will allow your rockets to come flying > with us at Frozen Thunder. And, the next time you get the insane urge to > go blasting through the skies in an unpressurized metal tube, we hope > you'll think and visualize Black Rock. > > See you at the launch! > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Jan 25 17:53:52 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:53:52 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frozen Thunder rocket launch In-Reply-To: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1E151B9A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <496AE1F7.3000402@earthlink.net> <98C42732CB4B404BA3CC75F68BC682CD@bleu> <497CDB95.5050200@earthlink.net> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1E151B9A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <497D17B0.5040409@earthlink.net> Pre-Spring Warm Up Pre-Spring Thaw/Melt February Fun Fly Spring's Anticipation/Expectation I did a little research about the month of February. Galileo's birthday is on the 15th (1564) and National Pancake Week varies from the third to fourth week of the month. The temperatures do start warming up around here so a warming, thawing or melting could be applicable. Rockets and pancakes anyone? Robert Krausert, Robert wrote: > February is the month of hope, Spring hope. What about "Thunder Thaw" or "Melting Thunder?" > > Great report. Cops at the end of the day are people like us. You know they try so hard to be official, when you know in his mind he's saying, "Cool!! I need to get me a rocket. [Cough, clearing throat] You folks be safe. Wow!! The was cool." > > Sounds like a great event. > Cheers, > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:37 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frozen Thunder rocket launch > > Thanks for coming out to the launch, Patrick! The launch turned out > much better than I expected. Not only was our launch crew there flying > rockets but so were a number of other families on both the north and > south fields who had no knowledge of Frozen Thunder. There were > probably about 50 flights in total. > > Shortly after meeting Dave Randall at 60 Acres at 10AM he set up his L3 > rocket as a display-only to help attract attention to where the launch > was being held because it had changed from the south field to the north > field. I would say within five minutes or less a Redmond Police car > pulled up. The cop wanted to know if Dave was going to fly his rocket > at 60 Acres. I snapped a photo of the close encounter. > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20215.jpg > > My first thought was that the cop would call other LEOs and/or have the > Department of Homeland Security or some other alphabet government agency > show up. But after a few minutes he left but came back by a little > later to watch a couple of model rockets lift off. > > It was a little chilly (33 degrees F) when we set up the launch but the > skies were clear with barely any wind. It did warm up to about 45 or so > as the launch progressed through the day. It certainly beats the snow > from last month. > > Dave was first to fly with his Mini Bertha with a nominal recovery. > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20220.jpg > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20222.jpg > > Here is a pic of Bill about to launch his Estes Ninja which was second > launch of the day. He only had to take a few steps to retrieve it. > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20224.jpg > Bill did eventually later fly a Estes Alpha 3 that landed in the trees > (aka Rocketus Eatemupus) behind the flight line. But he was prepared > with a ladder and a broom. > > The third launch was my Estes DC Gemini without the parallel SRBs > attached. No pic but the launch (on a B4 motor) and recovery were > perfect. I'll launch it with the SRBs next time. > > Here is Dave giving some LCO training to the next generation of > rocketeers ready to launch their rockets. I think this is the part > where he's telling them to watch out for any air traffic including > birds. One small airplane did fly over looking for the launch as well > as large bird - either a large hawk or an immature bald eagle. > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20242.jpg > > I brought out my not-completely-finished Sirius Rocketry S.S. Cestris. > http://www.siriusrocketry.com/SSCestris.htm > I had planned on not flying it and did not bring motors for it. Even > though it was flight worthy because I wanted to add a foam glider on its > back and paint it before seeing it take to the skies. It normally takes > one 18mm motor for flight but I upgraded the power plant potential of > this still-new-to-the-market kit. The center motor mount went from the > 18mm stock mount to a 24mm long enough for E motors. The two outboard > airframe tubes had 18mm motor mounts added. Dave donated the motors > (Thanks, Dave!) - one E9 and two C6s - with 45.5 N-secs total impulse at > lift off which is the equivalent of between an Aerotech F12 and an F24. > Unfortunately, I missed the liftoff but did get an in-flight shot. > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20244.jpg > As a result of the upgrade with a higher top speed I think one of the > wings generated more lift or flexed creating a large spiral upward > through the sky. I think I will add some more CF to stiffen those wings! > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20245.jpg > I also installed an ejection baffle to protect the protect the > parachute. It did the job after looking it over after recovery by one of > our budding rocketeers. > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20248.jpg > > A father and his two sons who heard about our launch from the Hobbytown > hobby shop in Redmond (courtesy of Dave) and came out to fly with us. > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20258.jpg > He had to do a recovery from a tree with the help of Bill's ladder and > broom. > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20267.jpg > > One family brought out their two sons to fly rockets who did not know > about Frozen Thunder and joined in the fun. > I took a pic of the two with Dave's rocket right before they left. > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20269.jpg > > As the morning progressed into afternoon more people showed up both in > the north and south fields. I've never seen that many people flying at > 60 Acres before. > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20237.jpg > Even Carl made it for a few flights! > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20276.jpg > > Dave did a couple of flights with his Patriot and a Boostervision camera > but he had problems with the video down link receiver. > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20254.jpg > > One family who flew in the north field to the NE of our launch site was > the Koeppen clan. I walked over to see if they needed help. The eldest > son was new to the hobby and had a brand new Estes Comanche-3. He had > been trying for three of four months to fly it but the weather was never > decent enough until this day. I assisted them in making sure the motors > were prepped correctly as well as the parachute. I remember the > Comanche-3 I flew back in 1984 had a streamer instead of parachute. > > They did a first flight with the single stage for stability and a wind > check. The wind on the ground and a little higher was still very light > so the recovery was close by. It was decided that a three-stage flight > should proceed. > Prep. > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20274.jpg > Liftoff! > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20275.jpg > Both booster stages were recovered but the sustainer was not due to the > winds at 2000+ feet moving faster and carrying the Comanche possibly > into the Sammamish River. > > I would like to thank everyone who came out to Frozen Thunder and hope > to see you there at the next launch tentatively set for Sunday, > 15FEB09. Does any one have ideas for a name? > > Robert > > > > > patrick (urban cheese records) wrote: > >> Thanks for putting on this launch, we had a lot of fun! >> >> -Patrick, Henry & John >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:23 PM >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Frozen Thunder rocket launch announcement >> >> >> Launch Announcement! Launch Announcement! Launch Announcement! >> >> >> Ladies and Gentlemen, >> >> Welcome to the Frozen Thunder rocket launch, hosted by no one in >> particular, which will be held at 60 Acres Park in Redmond, Washington. >> Launch operations will commence on Sunday, 18 January 2009 at 10:00AM >> and conclude around 2:00PM or until the rockets get too tired to fly >> (weather permitting). Any and all rockets within the sound of this >> launch announcement are invited by the launch announcer to encourage >> their owners to bring them to this once-in-a-lifetime event. >> >> >> All rockets from 1/4A to (FAR101) G power will be welcome as long as you >> can land within the confines of the park. Spot landings are encouraged. >> Please RSVP the launch announcer if you are planning for any FAR101 >> rockets to take to the skies so the FAA can be contacted prior to launch >> day. >> >> 60 Acres Park is located in the very beautiful, scenic, and sunny >> metropolis of Redmond, Washington and is very easy to find. If your >> rocket needs directions to the launch site please enter this address >> below into Google Earth or other mapping website or software. >> >> 15200 NE 116th Street, Remond, WA 98052. >> >> The park is split in half by NE 116th street. Launch operations will be >> conducted on the south field with recovery operations being conducted on >> both the north and south fields. Parking on the north side is closed but >> 20 parking spaces are available near the northwest corner of the south >> field. All rockets will instruct their owners that motorized vehicles >> are not allowed on either field. For more info you can visit the 60 >> Acres Park website at http://www.60acres.org/ . The south field camera >> should be available for virtual spectators. >> >> Flying safely is critical to our continued access to the field. Please >> refrain from landsharking, cruisemissling, lawndarting, and coresampling >> over the heads of spectators, cars, dogs, dog-walkers, and r/c airplane >> fliers. Rockets will need to talk to their owners about bringing their >> own GSE to the launch site as the non-existent launch host has none to >> provide. If there any newcomers to the hobby please tell your owner to >> present you to any seasoned rocketeer to verify your stability before >> flight. >> >> Prepping rockets is no fun in the cold so if you plan to attend please >> remember to dress warmly with hats, coats, and gloves. The fields at 60 >> Acres can get muddy but they could be covered with snow so don't forget >> warm, waterproof footwear. >> >> ****In the event of a sudden loss of launch site air pressure**, masks >> will descend from the cloud ceiling. Stop screaming, grab the mask, and >> pull it over your face. If you have a small child or spectator launching >> with you, secure your mask before assisting with theirs. If you are >> launching with more than one small child, pick your favorite. >> >> When you leave the launch site please be sure to take all of your >> belongings and trash. If you leave anything, please be sure it's >> something we'd like to have. Even though there are garbage containers on >> the field, they don't get emptied on a regular basis. >> >> We'd like to thank you folks who will allow your rockets to come flying >> with us at Frozen Thunder. And, the next time you get the insane urge to >> go blasting through the skies in an unpressurized metal tube, we hope >> you'll think and visualize Black Rock. >> >> See you at the launch! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 17:58:39 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:58:39 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frozen Thunder rocket launch References: <496AE1F7.3000402@earthlink.net> <98C42732CB4B404BA3CC75F68BC682CD@bleu><497CDB95.5050200@earthlink.net><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1E151B9A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> <497D17B0.5040409@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00f001c97f59$9c531fc0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> I like the two I offered, but then there's Groundhog Thunder Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frozen Thunder rocket launch > Pre-Spring Warm Up > Pre-Spring Thaw/Melt > February Fun Fly > Spring's Anticipation/Expectation > > I did a little research about the month of February. Galileo's birthday > is on the 15th (1564) and National Pancake Week varies from the third to > fourth week of the month. The temperatures do start warming up around > here so a warming, thawing or melting could be applicable. Rockets and > pancakes anyone? > > Robert > > > > Krausert, Robert wrote: >> February is the month of hope, Spring hope. What about "Thunder Thaw" or >> "Melting Thunder?" >> >> Great report. Cops at the end of the day are people like us. You know >> they try so hard to be official, when you know in his mind he's saying, >> "Cool!! I need to get me a rocket. [Cough, clearing throat] You folks be >> safe. Wow!! The was cool." >> >> Sounds like a great event. >> Cheers, >> Robert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:37 PM >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frozen Thunder rocket launch >> >> Thanks for coming out to the launch, Patrick! The launch turned out >> much better than I expected. Not only was our launch crew there flying >> rockets but so were a number of other families on both the north and >> south fields who had no knowledge of Frozen Thunder. There were >> probably about 50 flights in total. >> >> Shortly after meeting Dave Randall at 60 Acres at 10AM he set up his L3 >> rocket as a display-only to help attract attention to where the launch >> was being held because it had changed from the south field to the north >> field. I would say within five minutes or less a Redmond Police car >> pulled up. The cop wanted to know if Dave was going to fly his rocket >> at 60 Acres. I snapped a photo of the close encounter. >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20215.jpg >> >> My first thought was that the cop would call other LEOs and/or have the >> Department of Homeland Security or some other alphabet government agency >> show up. But after a few minutes he left but came back by a little >> later to watch a couple of model rockets lift off. >> >> It was a little chilly (33 degrees F) when we set up the launch but the >> skies were clear with barely any wind. It did warm up to about 45 or so >> as the launch progressed through the day. It certainly beats the snow >> from last month. >> >> Dave was first to fly with his Mini Bertha with a nominal recovery. >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20220.jpg >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20222.jpg >> >> Here is a pic of Bill about to launch his Estes Ninja which was second >> launch of the day. He only had to take a few steps to retrieve it. >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20224.jpg >> Bill did eventually later fly a Estes Alpha 3 that landed in the trees >> (aka Rocketus Eatemupus) behind the flight line. But he was prepared >> with a ladder and a broom. >> >> The third launch was my Estes DC Gemini without the parallel SRBs >> attached. No pic but the launch (on a B4 motor) and recovery were >> perfect. I'll launch it with the SRBs next time. >> >> Here is Dave giving some LCO training to the next generation of >> rocketeers ready to launch their rockets. I think this is the part >> where he's telling them to watch out for any air traffic including >> birds. One small airplane did fly over looking for the launch as well >> as large bird - either a large hawk or an immature bald eagle. >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20242.jpg >> >> I brought out my not-completely-finished Sirius Rocketry S.S. Cestris. >> http://www.siriusrocketry.com/SSCestris.htm >> I had planned on not flying it and did not bring motors for it. Even >> though it was flight worthy because I wanted to add a foam glider on its >> back and paint it before seeing it take to the skies. It normally takes >> one 18mm motor for flight but I upgraded the power plant potential of >> this still-new-to-the-market kit. The center motor mount went from the >> 18mm stock mount to a 24mm long enough for E motors. The two outboard >> airframe tubes had 18mm motor mounts added. Dave donated the motors >> (Thanks, Dave!) - one E9 and two C6s - with 45.5 N-secs total impulse at >> lift off which is the equivalent of between an Aerotech F12 and an F24. >> Unfortunately, I missed the liftoff but did get an in-flight shot. >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20244.jpg >> As a result of the upgrade with a higher top speed I think one of the >> wings generated more lift or flexed creating a large spiral upward >> through the sky. I think I will add some more CF to stiffen those wings! >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20245.jpg >> I also installed an ejection baffle to protect the protect the >> parachute. It did the job after looking it over after recovery by one of >> our budding rocketeers. >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20248.jpg >> >> A father and his two sons who heard about our launch from the Hobbytown >> hobby shop in Redmond (courtesy of Dave) and came out to fly with us. >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20258.jpg >> He had to do a recovery from a tree with the help of Bill's ladder and >> broom. >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20267.jpg >> >> One family brought out their two sons to fly rockets who did not know >> about Frozen Thunder and joined in the fun. >> I took a pic of the two with Dave's rocket right before they left. >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20269.jpg >> >> As the morning progressed into afternoon more people showed up both in >> the north and south fields. I've never seen that many people flying at >> 60 Acres before. >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20237.jpg >> Even Carl made it for a few flights! >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20276.jpg >> >> Dave did a couple of flights with his Patriot and a Boostervision camera >> but he had problems with the video down link receiver. >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20254.jpg >> >> One family who flew in the north field to the NE of our launch site was >> the Koeppen clan. I walked over to see if they needed help. The eldest >> son was new to the hobby and had a brand new Estes Comanche-3. He had >> been trying for three of four months to fly it but the weather was never >> decent enough until this day. I assisted them in making sure the motors >> were prepped correctly as well as the parachute. I remember the >> Comanche-3 I flew back in 1984 had a streamer instead of parachute. >> >> They did a first flight with the single stage for stability and a wind >> check. The wind on the ground and a little higher was still very light >> so the recovery was close by. It was decided that a three-stage flight >> should proceed. >> Prep. >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20274.jpg >> Liftoff! >> http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20275.jpg >> Both booster stages were recovered but the sustainer was not due to the >> winds at 2000+ feet moving faster and carrying the Comanche possibly >> into the Sammamish River. >> >> I would like to thank everyone who came out to Frozen Thunder and hope >> to see you there at the next launch tentatively set for Sunday, >> 15FEB09. Does any one have ideas for a name? >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> >> patrick (urban cheese records) wrote: >> >>> Thanks for putting on this launch, we had a lot of fun! >>> >>> -Patrick, Henry & John >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:23 PM >>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Frozen Thunder rocket launch announcement >>> >>> >>> Launch Announcement! Launch Announcement! Launch Announcement! >>> >>> >>> Ladies and Gentlemen, >>> >>> Welcome to the Frozen Thunder rocket launch, hosted by no one in >>> particular, which will be held at 60 Acres Park in Redmond, Washington. >>> Launch operations will commence on Sunday, 18 January 2009 at 10:00AM >>> and conclude around 2:00PM or until the rockets get too tired to fly >>> (weather permitting). Any and all rockets within the sound of this >>> launch announcement are invited by the launch announcer to encourage >>> their owners to bring them to this once-in-a-lifetime event. >>> >>> >>> All rockets from 1/4A to (FAR101) G power will be welcome as long as you >>> can land within the confines of the park. Spot landings are encouraged. >>> Please RSVP the launch announcer if you are planning for any FAR101 >>> rockets to take to the skies so the FAA can be contacted prior to launch >>> day. >>> >>> 60 Acres Park is located in the very beautiful, scenic, and sunny >>> metropolis of Redmond, Washington and is very easy to find. If your >>> rocket needs directions to the launch site please enter this address >>> below into Google Earth or other mapping website or software. >>> >>> 15200 NE 116th Street, Remond, WA 98052. >>> >>> The park is split in half by NE 116th street. Launch operations will be >>> conducted on the south field with recovery operations being conducted on >>> both the north and south fields. Parking on the north side is closed but >>> 20 parking spaces are available near the northwest corner of the south >>> field. All rockets will instruct their owners that motorized vehicles >>> are not allowed on either field. For more info you can visit the 60 >>> Acres Park website at http://www.60acres.org/ . The south field camera >>> should be available for virtual spectators. >>> >>> Flying safely is critical to our continued access to the field. Please >>> refrain from landsharking, cruisemissling, lawndarting, and coresampling >>> over the heads of spectators, cars, dogs, dog-walkers, and r/c airplane >>> fliers. Rockets will need to talk to their owners about bringing their >>> own GSE to the launch site as the non-existent launch host has none to >>> provide. If there any newcomers to the hobby please tell your owner to >>> present you to any seasoned rocketeer to verify your stability before >>> flight. >>> >>> Prepping rockets is no fun in the cold so if you plan to attend please >>> remember to dress warmly with hats, coats, and gloves. The fields at 60 >>> Acres can get muddy but they could be covered with snow so don't forget >>> warm, waterproof footwear. >>> >>> ****In the event of a sudden loss of launch site air pressure**, masks >>> will descend from the cloud ceiling. Stop screaming, grab the mask, and >>> pull it over your face. If you have a small child or spectator launching >>> with you, secure your mask before assisting with theirs. If you are >>> launching with more than one small child, pick your favorite. >>> >>> When you leave the launch site please be sure to take all of your >>> belongings and trash. If you leave anything, please be sure it's >>> something we'd like to have. Even though there are garbage containers on >>> the field, they don't get emptied on a regular basis. >>> >>> We'd like to thank you folks who will allow your rockets to come flying >>> with us at Frozen Thunder. And, the next time you get the insane urge to >>> go blasting through the skies in an unpressurized metal tube, we hope >>> you'll think and visualize Black Rock. >>> >>> See you at the launch! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From bjarchow at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 20:53:25 2009 From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:53:25 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Amended FAR101 code MAYBE NOT effective 2FEB09 Message-ID: As we probably all know, it's normal for a new President to block new regulations that have been signed into law but not published in the Federal Register. President Obama has gone above and beyond: http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/emanuel-regulatory-review.pdf Step 3 of that memo asks that all regulations that have been published, but not yet taken effect, be suspended for another 60 days with another 30 day comment period. So put a hold on those plans to launch 16 to 53 ounce rockets without ATC notification until we find out if the FAA is extending the effective date for the new FAR101. Brian -------------- next part -------------- President Obama has gone above and beyond: http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/emanuel-regulatory-review.pdf http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/emanuel-regulatory-review.pdf Step 3 of that memo asks that all regulations that have been published, but not yet taken effect, be suspended for another 60 days with another 30 day comment period. So put a hold on those plans to launch 16 to 53 ounce rockets without ATC notification until we find out if the FAA is extending the effective date for the new FAR101. Brian From brodwcjj at integrity.com Mon Jan 26 18:34:15 2009 From: brodwcjj at integrity.com (brodwcjj at integrity.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:34:15 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] Amended FAR101 code MAYBE NOT effective In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090126203415.474254mla9v6h4fc@wm.integrity.com> So is there any chance this opens the OFR that "rocket motors are not PADs" to further comment ? I'm guessing "not" as that FR was published 1/14/2009 with effective date 1/13/2009. Locked in before change in administrations. Dustin > From: Brian Jarchow > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Amended FAR101 code MAYBE NOT effective > 2FEB09 > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > As we probably all know, it's normal for a new President to block new > regulations that have been signed into law but not published in the Federal > Register. > > President Obama has gone above and beyond: > http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/emanuel-regulatory-review.pdf > > Step 3 of that memo asks that all regulations that have been published, but > not yet taken effect, be suspended for another 60 days with another 30 day > comment period. > > So put a hold on those plans to launch 16 to 53 ounce rockets without ATC > notification until we find out if the FAA is extending the effective date > for the new FAR101. > > Brian From vonrang at yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 04:36:44 2009 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:36:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Amended FAR101 code MAYBE NOT effective In-Reply-To: <20090126203415.474254mla9v6h4fc@wm.integrity.com> Message-ID: <490251.41639.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> "another 30 day comment period." I don't know if this affords an opportunity to address "any chance [that] this opens the OFR that "rocket motors are not PADs" to further comment". But taking the time to introduce the topic again can't hurt. So far, even with the delay in implementation, this will provide some needed relief to hobby rocketry. Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Mon, 1/26/09, brodwcjj at integrity.com wrote: > From: brodwcjj at integrity.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Amended FAR101 code MAYBE NOT effective > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 6:34 PM > So is there ? > > I'm guessing "not" as that FR was published > 1/14/2009 with effective > date 1/13/2009. Locked in before change in > administrations. > > Dustin > > > > > From: Brian Jarchow > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Amended FAR101 code MAYBE NOT > effective > > 2FEB09 > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > > > As we probably all know, it's normal for a new > President to block new > > regulations that have been signed into law but not > published in the Federal > > Register. > > > > President Obama has gone above and beyond: > > > http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/emanuel-regulatory-review.pdf > > > > Step 3 of that memo asks that all regulations that > have been published, but > > not yet taken effect, be suspended for another 60 days > with another 30 day > > comment period. > > > > So put a hold on those plans to launch 16 to 53 ounce > rockets without ATC > > notification until we find out if the FAA is extending > the effective date > > for the new FAR101. > > > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 16:20:06 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:20:06 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry Meeting Agenda February 5th 2009 Message-ID: <001801c980de$2e167ad0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> The next Oregon Rocketry club meeting will be held at 7:30 pm on Thursday February 5th, 2009. Meeting place is the back room of Giovanni's in Beaverton, Oregon. Where: Giovanni's [ Map ] 12390 SW Broadway: corner of Broadway and Hall Blvd in downtown Beaverton Agenda: 7:30 : Motions by members collected 7:35 : Brothers Waiver Update [Krausert] 7:40 : Science Fair Event in Salem Update [Tarr or Krausert] 7:45 : Packard Memorial Park February Launch [Packard or Krausert] 7:50 : Highlight of Members / Length of Membership [Krausert] 8:00 : TRA EX Day Rules Update / TRA Certifications [Azinger] 8:10 : Videos of OROC "The Early Years" [Proffitt] We are officially adjourned at 8:30, however stick around for more of the videos by Dave. Should be a good show. I certainly hope you can make the meeting. Should be a good mix of information. Take a break from your busy schedule and join us Thursday February 5th, at 7:30pm for some fun and rocket talk. Come early for dinner. First public OROC launch at Brothers from the time of the meeting is T-minus 3 months and a few days. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- The next Oregon Rocketry club meeting will be held at 7:30 pm on Thursday February 5th, 2009. Meeting place is the back room of Giovanni's in Beaverton, Oregon. Where: Giovanni's [ http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=12390+Sw+Broadway,+Beaverton,+OR Map ] 12390 SW Broadway: corner of Broadway and Hall Blvd in downtown Beaverton Agenda: 7:30 : Motions by members collected 7:35 : Brothers Waiver Update [Krausert] 7:40 : Science Fair Event in Salem Update [Tarr or Krausert] 7:45 : Packard Memorial Park February Launch [Packard or Krausert] 7:50 : Highlight of Members / Length of Membership [Krausert] 8:00 : TRA EX Day Rules Update / TRA Certifications [Azinger] 8:10 : Videos of OROC "The Early Years" [Proffitt] We are officially adjourned at 8:30, however stick around for more of the videos by Dave. Should be a good show. I certainly hope you can make the meeting. Should be a good mix of information. Take a break from your busy schedule and join us Thursday February 5th, at 7:30pm for some fun and rocket talk. Come early for dinner. First public OROC launch at Brothers from the time of the meeting is T-minus 3 months and a few days. Cheers, Robert From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Wed Jan 28 00:13:32 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:13:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Amended FAR101 code effective 2FEB09 In-Reply-To: References: <497BD7C2.9040201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0255543971616701ceb8014bfad1cef3.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> > I don't know if anybody else noticed section 101.1 says the regs apply to > " Any unmanned rocket except aerial firework displays " > After reading that statement I started thinking about an M powered > pyrotechnic delivery vehicle... That's always been in FAR 101. It can be used as a 'legal dodge' under some narrow circumstances, but the legal definition of a skyrocket limits motor I.D. to 1/2 inch and propellant to IIRC four ounces, and it's almost always better to claim fireworks rockets as model rockets rather than vice versa if either definition can apply. One of the least known 'quantum leaps' in hobby rocket motors occurred when motors with I.D.'s greater than 1/2 inch were introduced. Before that, model rocket motors were considered specially exempted class C fireworks; afterwards, they would have legally been class B devices unless otherwise categorized. Ah, the mighty D engine, available only to licensed professional pyrotechnicians...LOL! But we've come a long way. Today you can even get motors with FIVE WHOLE TIMES the impulse of a D without having to get a special permit. :-P +McG+ > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Hammer > < mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net > hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net >> > wrote: > I received the updated FAR101 code from Carol Long at the FAA. ?It is in > Word format and has been uploaded to the RocketsNW server. ?All the > highlighted yellow areas are where the code has been amended. > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Title%2014%20FAR%20101%202FEB2009%20amendments.doc > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Title%2014%20FAR%20101%202FEB2009%20amendments.doc > Robert > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From fred_bare at yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 09:09:26 2009 From: fred_bare at yahoo.com (Fred Bare) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:09:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] [Hobby-Lobby AD] CRASH Sale - The FlyCamOne2 is on Sale!! 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04a101c98244$12e0d000$38a27000$@com> Meh, all this has over mine is a bigger bore and it only has only half the distance between centers. LOL, but for $12.... Yeah, I'm a lathe snob. ;) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:44 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Lathe for EX: Too bad this is out of stock -- I like the price..... Shop Fox M1100 16" x 40" Big Bore Lathe , Motor: 10 HP, 220V, 3-phase [http://www.bibbtool.com/images/57/shopfox.gif] [http://www.bibbtool.com/image.php?size=medium&img=M1100.jpg] Model Number: M1100 Your Price: $12.00 Availability: Out of Stock [http://www.bibbtool.com/direct_ship.gif] From jhadv at pacifier.com Thu Jan 29 12:07:29 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:07:29 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Lathe for EX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090129120253.035234c8@mail.iinet.com> Women, sailboats, lathes and milling machines. The least expensive thing you will ever do is buy the original piece. In the case of the machine tools, holders, cutters, bits, feeds, posts, stocks, rests, turrets, tables, instruments and the rest dwarf the cost of the machine so if you are going to go down that road by the bigger machine. From Mfreptiles at aol.com Thu Jan 29 15:17:57 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:17:57 EST Subject: [RocketsNW] Lathe for EX Message-ID: That's what everybody says, but it's not true. People forget that you can make parts for the milling machine and lathe on the machines. You can make all of your own cutting bits from tool steel and harden them yourself. In the eight years that I've owned my lathe I bet that I have less than $100 for accessories only because I make all of my own bits and pieces. Making your own cutting bits and boring bars will save you thousands of $ over factory made, but the best part is that I don't have to wait on a new bit to come through the mail, I can just go out to the shop and make a new one. There's nothing like the satisfaction of using a freshly made snap ring cutter that works better than a commercial one and it only cost $1.50 in tool steel. Mike F. In a message dated 1/29/2009 12:08:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jhadv at pacifier.com writes: The least expensive thing you will ever do is buy the original piece. In the case of the machine tools, holders, cutters, bits, feeds, posts, stocks, rests, turrets, tables, instruments and the rest dwarf the cost of the machine so if you are going to go down that road by the bigger machine. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- That's what everybody says, but it's not true. ? People forget that you can make parts for the milling machine and lathe on the machines.? You can make all of your own cutting bits from tool steel and harden them yourself. ? In the eight years that I've owned my lathe I bet that I have less than $100 for accessories only because I make all of my own bits and pieces.? Making your own cutting bits and boring bars will save you thousands of $ over factory made, but the best part is that I don't have to wait on a new bit?to come through the mail, I can just go out to the shop and make a new one.? There's nothing like the satisfaction of using a freshly made snap ring cutter that works better than a commercial one and it only cost $1.50 in tool steel. ? Mike F. ? In a message dated 1/29/2009 12:08:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jhadv at pacifier.com writes: The least expensive thing you will ever do is buy the original piece.? In the case of the machine tools, holders, cutters, bits, feeds, posts, stocks, rests, turrets, tables, instruments and the rest dwarf the cost of the machine so if you are going to go down that road by the bigger machine. A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62 See yours in just 2 easy steps! From carl20320 at msn.com Thu Jan 29 21:44:00 2009 From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:44:00 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] 4 months to the day! Message-ID: After exactly 4 months, I finally was able to get the OK from L&I. This was absolutely insane. Mark Aguiar came out today and did my inspection. We also was very interested to hear that this had been sent in 4 months ago and that I had not been able to get phone calls answered. He also mentioned that he would discuss this with Mason and that perhaps they could get some additional help (doubtful, but wouldn't it be nice to actually have a call answered?) From mattjones1961 at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 22:27:53 2009 From: mattjones1961 at gmail.com (Matt Jones) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:27:53 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] It's Poster Time for OROC Message-ID: <49829DE9.4090209@gmail.com> Seeing as the BOD has posted the schedule, it time for me to start putting together the poster. If you have a good photo, email a copy to me. Remember it will have to fit a 8?x11 portrait page, so it needs to have a good resolution and be the right basic shape. What I'm looking for is something to show what the club is all about. It could be a crowd, a really cool launch, or just a bunch of rockets. Remember what the poster looks like and if you got a photo to fit the bill, send it to me. Here's a link to the 2005 poster for reference: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/2005%20Sced.pdf Thanks -=Matt Jones=- -------------- next part -------------- Seeing as the BOD has posted the schedule, it time for me to start putting together the poster. ? If you have a good photo, email a copy to me. Remember it will have to fit a 8?x11 portrait page, so it needs to have a good resolution and be the right basic shape. ? What I'm looking for is something to show what the club is all about. It could be a crowd, a really cool launch, or just a bunch of rockets. Remember what the poster looks like and if you got a photo to fit the bill, send it to me. Here's a link to the 2005 poster for reference: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/2005%20Sced.pdf http://www.oregonrocketry.com/mult/2005%20Sced.pdf Thanks ??? -=Matt Jones=- From mattjones1961 at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 20:06:38 2009 From: mattjones1961 at gmail.com (Matt Jones) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:06:38 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] It's OROC Poster Time Again Message-ID: <4983CE4E.2020602@gmail.com> Seeing as the BOD has posted the schedule, it time for me to start putting together the poster. If you have a good photo, email a copy to me. Remember it will have to fit a 8?x11 portrait page, so it needs to have a good resolution and be the right basic shape. What I'm looking for is something to show what the club is all about. It could be a crowd, a really cool launch, a bunch of rockets or anything else. Remember what the posters in the past look like and if you got a photo to fit the bill, send it to me. Thanks -=Matt Jones=- From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 15:36:06 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:36:06 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Packard Valentine Day Launch @ Memorial Park Wilsonville Message-ID: <001c01c983fc$b3321190$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Packard Valentine Day Launch @ Memorial Park Wilsonville What are doing this Valentine Day? Buying roses? A dozen roses can cost as much as a K1100 reload. Buying chocolates? What's the point of buying a fuel without an oxidizer? Why not take your loved ones to a model rocket launch? Consider the fun, excitement, family activity, social gathering, motivation of youth to science... and so much more. Keith Packard is hosting the next Packard Model Rocket Launch event at Memorial park in Wilsonville, Oregon on February 14th, 2009. Setup begins at 11:00am, range is open for flights between 12:00pm and 3:00pm. This event is hosted by Keith Packard. We want to thank Keith. OregonRocketry is proud to help Keith Packard with this launch, by helping with ground support and staff to help ensure everyone has a chance to participate. New rocketry class 1, 2 and 3 are effective at the time of this launch. The new administration did not place this registration on hold. Class 1 rockets under the new FAR101 unmanned rocket rules include; (1) Uses no more than 125 grams (4.4 ounces) of propellant; (2) Uses a slow-burning propellant; (3) Is made of paper, wood, or breakable plastic; (4) Contains no substantial metal parts; and (5) Weighs no more than 1,500 grams (53 ounces), including the propellant. A through G motors are welcome, and even some H motors. You must however stay below our altitude limits. Conditions of the site hold altitude to 1,000 feet AGL or cloud deck, which ever is lower. An Aerotech Mustang on a G64, not a good idea (est. alt 3200 feet). A saucer on a G64, maybe. We need to control altitude and the surrounding rocket eating trees agree. Join us. Bring the family. Bring some rockets and have a great time flying. No RSVP necessary, just show up. When you arrive at the park, turn to the left and follow the road into the South East section of the field. I will be onsite to help Keith facilitate the event. Keith is the event director and has final approval for all aspects of the launch. Join us for the February 14th, 2009 Packard Valentine Day Model Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park in Wilsonville Oregon. Wilsonville Memorial Park 8100 SW Wilsonville Rd. Wilsonville, OR 97070 Getting strange looks from the family for wanting to fly rockets on Valentine day? Take the family for dinner after the event. Or take them home after the event for a great barbeque. What a great Saturday, BP / AP in the early afternoon and then a great dinner afterward. Fliers; Event time is 12:00pm - 3:00pm; all NAR rules apply, plus any additional rules / restrictions for this site. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions. LCO tables are not for prep, please use the available tables in the prep area. This is a sanctioned launch event by National Association of Rocketry through NAR section 555 OREO (Steve Tarr). Come prepared for cold weather and wear boots/shoes that will keep feet warm and dry. Support staff; We are planning to arrive by 11:00am to scope out parking and field preference. Keith is bringing a six rod launch pad (has 1/8, 3/8, and 1/4" rods), and I'll be bringing LCO tables, flight line stakes, and my launch controller. So no OROC GSE is needed for this event. We need extra tables for the prep area. The only other thing I can think of is extra Estes ignitors. I'm planning to bring some spare motors and a bunch of different size Estes ignitors... They like to spit too often, so if you have extra ignitors and plungers, and can spare them, please bring. Certainly bring some rockets... I can also bring a bag of dog barf. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Packard Valentine Day Launch @ Memorial Park Wilsonville What are doing this Valentine Day? Buying roses? A dozen roses can cost as much as a K1100 reload. Buying chocolates? What's the point of buying a fuel without an oxidizer? Why not take your loved ones to a model rocket launch? Consider the fun, excitement, family activity, social gathering, motivation of youth to science... and so much more. Keith Packard is hosting the next Packard Model Rocket Launch event at Memorial park in Wilsonville, Oregon on February 14th, 2009. Setup begins at 11:00am, range is open for flights between 12:00pm and 3:00pm. This event is hosted by Keith Packard. We want to thank Keith. OregonRocketry is proud to help Keith Packard with this launch, by helping with ground support and staff to help ensure everyone has a chance to participate. New rocketry class 1, 2 and 3 are effective at the time of this launch. The new administration did not place this registration on hold. Class 1 rockets under the new FAR101 unmanned rocket rules include; (1) Uses no more than 125 grams (4.4 ounces) of propellant; (2) Uses a slow-burning propellant; (3) Is made of paper, wood, or breakable plastic; (4) Contains no substantial metal parts; and (5) Weighs no more than 1,500 grams (53 ounces), including the propellant. A through G motors are welcome, and even some H motors. You must however stay below our altitude limits. Conditions of the site hold altitude to 1,000 feet AGL or cloud deck, which ever is lower. An Aerotech Mustang on a G64, not a good idea (est. alt 3200 feet). A saucer on a G64, maybe. We need to control altitude and the surrounding rocket eating trees agree. Join us. Bring the family. Bring some rockets and have a great time flying. No RSVP necessary, just show up. When you arrive at the park, turn to the left and follow the road into the South East section of the field. I will be onsite to help Keith facilitate the event. Keith is the event director and has final approval for all aspects of the launch. Join us for the February 14th, 2009 Packard Valentine Day Model Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park in Wilsonville Oregon. Wilsonville Memorial Park 8100 SW Wilsonville Rd. Wilsonville, OR 97070 Getting strange looks from the family for wanting to fly rockets?on Valentine day? Take the family for dinner after the event. Or take them home after the event for a great barbeque. What a great Saturday, BP / AP in the early afternoon and then a great dinner afterward. Fliers; Event time is 12:00pm - 3:00pm; all NAR rules apply, plus any additional rules / restrictions for this site. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions. LCO tables are not for prep, please use the available tables in the prep area. This is a sanctioned launch event by National Association of Rocketry through NAR section 555 OREO (Steve Tarr). Come prepared for cold weather and wear boots/shoes that will keep feet warm and dry. Support staff; We are planning to arrive by 11:00am to scope out parking and field preference. Keith is bringing a six rod launch pad (has 1/8, 3/8, and 1/4" rods), and I'll be bringing LCO tables, flight line stakes, and my launch controller. So no OROC GSE is needed for this event. We need extra tables for the prep area. The only other thing I can think of is extra Estes ignitors. I'm planning to bring some spare motors and a bunch of different size Estes ignitors... They like to spit too often, so if you have extra ignitors and plungers, and can spare them, please bring. Certainly bring some rockets... I can also bring a bag of dog barf. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions. Cheers, Robert