From jhadv at pacifier.com Sat Aug 1 13:12:27 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:12:27 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Gov't can't even keep track of their own explosives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090801130939.00c1edf0@mail.iinet.com> Quite the theft. I would note that the inventory was complete and the theft reported concurrently with a 3 day window for the date of the theft. Has to be an inside job by the way as who else would know the schedules and the likely haul (mostly fireworks and BP). Also I wonder if "rocket black powder" means FA? From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sat Aug 1 23:05:41 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 23:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Gov't can't even keep track of their own explosives In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090801130939.00c1edf0@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090801130939.00c1edf0@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <65c7f3f06e2ff797aeb09b89d3f4af88.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Black powder rocket motors are made from "meal powder" which is BP in actual powder form, not granulated. That'd be my best guess for what "rocket black powder" means here, but I didn't think Fish & Wildlife rammed their own pest control rocket motors. And yeah, I'd suspect some insider involvement. The stuff that was taken could fetch a pretty penny on the black market. ATF wants two locks with big honkin' hardened hasps but only requires measly plain old five pin tumblers. Idiots. Way back in college the doors in the new dorm where I stayed had seven pin locks with security pins. Virtually unpickable without special equipment. I wonder what kind of locks that magazine had? +McG+ > Quite the theft. I would note that the inventory was complete and the > theft reported concurrently with a 3 day window for the date of the > theft. Has to be an inside job by the way as who else would know the > schedules and the likely haul (mostly fireworks and BP). Also I wonder if > "rocket black powder" means FA? > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sat Aug 1 23:19:06 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 23:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Gov't can't even keep track of their own explosives In-Reply-To: <65c7f3f06e2ff797aeb09b89d3f4af88.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090801130939.00c1edf0@mail.iinet.com> <65c7f3f06e2ff797aeb09b89d3f4af88.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Message-ID: <1d32426fcad7c63c8edf42a8562fb1fb.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> And too, when I scratch-built my garden shed I used a six pin lockset with a carefully chosen key code to make it harder to pick and shielded the bolt with angle iron mounted with carriage bolts, and with the door hinges on the inside. Not a bank vault, but it would take time, effort and a lot of noise to break in. Better security for a few common yard tools than ATF requires for a ton of dynamite. And a lot cheaper, too. Idiots. "The court cannot defer to the expertise of ATF inasmuch as the court is unable to discern any such expertise." (approximate quote) +McG+ > Black powder rocket motors are made from "meal powder" which is BP in > actual powder form, not granulated. That'd be my best guess for what > "rocket black powder" means here, but I didn't think Fish & Wildlife > rammed their own pest control rocket motors. > > And yeah, I'd suspect some insider involvement. The stuff that was taken > could fetch a pretty penny on the black market. > > ATF wants two locks with big honkin' hardened hasps but only requires > measly plain old five pin tumblers. Idiots. Way back in college the > doors in the new dorm where I stayed had seven pin locks with security > pins. Virtually unpickable without special equipment. I wonder what kind > of locks that magazine had? > +McG+ > > >> Quite the theft. I would note that the inventory was complete and the >> theft reported concurrently with a 3 day window for the date of the >> theft. Has to be an inside job by the way as who else would know the >> schedules and the likely haul (mostly fireworks and BP). Also I wonder >> if >> "rocket black powder" means FA? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Aug 2 07:27:33 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 07:27:33 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Summer Thunder Launch pics Message-ID: <4A75A255.4050800@earthlink.net> Honest John (on an F motor) http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20805.jpg Estes Interceptor ready to launch http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Estes%20Interceptor%20ready%20to%20launch.JPG From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 15:07:01 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:07:01 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC "USSR Luna 24" Model Launch Event Memorial Park @ Wilsonville Oregon Message-ID: <05EB726949944D1F98A2AEDB98A0FA92@LaptopKrausert> OregonRocketry is proud to present the next Memorial Park model rocket launch event on Sunday August 9th at 2:00pm until 5:00pm. Free and open to everyone. This event is a hosted event, but with no Ground Support Equipment provided at this launch. Please bring your own pad and controller. If you don't have the equipment, join us and share someone's GSE. There should be enough folks with GSE to share with all. I'll be handing out tickets for a drawing at 4:00pm to win prizes. Should be a fun time for everyone. Prepare for August weather. Right now the forecast is 80 degrees F and mostly clear skies. Bring sunscreen and plenty of water. Wilsonville Memorial Park 8100 SW Wilsonville Rd. Wilsonville, OR 97070 Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- OregonRocketry is proud to present the next Memorial Park model rocket launch event on Sunday August 9th at 2:00pm until 5:00pm. Free and open to everyone. ? This event is a hosted event, but with no Ground Support Equipment provided at this launch. Please bring your own pad and controller. If you don't have the equipment, join us and share someone's GSE. There should be enough folks with GSE to share with all. ? I'll be handing out tickets for a drawing at 4:00pm to win prizes. Should be a fun time for everyone. ? Prepare for August weather. Right now the forecast is 80 degrees F and mostly clear skies. Bring sunscreen and plenty of water. Wilsonville Memorial Park 8100 SW Wilsonville Rd. Wilsonville, OR 97070 ? Cheers, Robert From t.j.doll at att.net Sun Aug 2 15:09:41 2009 From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:09:41 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Summer Thunder Launch pics Message-ID: <080220092209.26820.4A760EA500037820000068C422230647629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Nice shot - do you mind if I use it for my EMRR review of the Madcow Honest John? Thanks Tim >Honest John (on an F motor) >http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20805.jpg -------------- next part -------------- Nice shot - do you mind if I use it for my EMRR review of the Madcow Honest John? ? Thanks ? Tim >Honest John (on an F motor) > http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20805.jpg http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/Camera%20Pics%20805.jpg From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 17:04:24 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:04:24 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tripoli Members; Desert EXtreme - Question Message-ID: <50ADA901B5284187A22B6655CC1A1EE8@LaptopKrausert> OregonRocketry will be hosting Desert EXtreme rocket launch to Tripoli members August 14th - 16th. I'd like to get a sense of who's planning to attend the event, all or part. Tripoli members 18 years and older are welcome to attend and can fly commercial motors. Tripoli members L2 or above can fly EX/research motors. When I said "can," that still means all Tripoli safety code and all other rules still apply. NAR OROC members and OROC youth (under 18 years) are welcome. But NAR and youth are not allowed in prep areas or beyond the flight line at any time during the event. Let me if you're planning to attend. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- OregonRocketry will be hosting Desert EXtreme rocket launch to Tripoli members August 14th - 16th. ? I'd like to get a sense of who's planning to attend the event, all or part. ? Tripoli members 18 years and older are welcome to attend and can fly commercial motors. Tripoli members L2 or above can fly EX/research motors. When I said "can," that still means all Tripoli safety code and all other rules still apply. ? NAR OROC members and OROC youth (under 18 years) are welcome. But NAR and youth are not allowed in prep areas or beyond the flight line at any time during the event. ? Let me if you're planning to attend. ? Cheers, Robert From fred_bare at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 17:26:10 2009 From: fred_bare at yahoo.com (Fred Bare) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] (Paging Steve Thatcher) In-Reply-To: <080220092209.26820.4A760EA500037820000068C422230647629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Message-ID: <318225.87430.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve, Please contact me offline. Greg Wilson Roadside Hobbies -------------- next part -------------- Steve, Please contact me offline. Greg Wilson Roadside Hobbies From jjcllc03 at aol.com Mon Aug 3 08:54:50 2009 From: jjcllc03 at aol.com (jjcllc03 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:54:50 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] Tripoli Members; Desert EXtreme - Question In-Reply-To: <50ADA901B5284187A22B6655CC1A1EE8@LaptopKrausert> References: <50ADA901B5284187A22B6655CC1A1EE8@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <8CBE269DE4FE4E0-4C0-10A@WEBMAIL-MY31.sysops.aol.com> David Holloway and Jack Caynon will be attending. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; members at oregonrocketry.org Sent: Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:04 pm Subject: [OROC Members] Tripoli Members; Desert EXtreme - Question OregonRocketry will be hosting Desert EXtreme rocket launch to Tripoli members August 14th - 16th. ? I'd like to get a sense of who's planning to attend the event, all or part. ? Tripoli members 18 years and older are welcome to attend and can fly commercial motors. Tripoli members L2 or above can fly EX/research motors. When I said "can," that still means all Tripoli safety code and all other rules still apply. ? NAR OROC members and OROC youth (under 18 years) are welcome. But NAR and youth are not allowed in prep areas or beyond the flight line at any time during the event. ? Let me if you're planning to attend. ? Cheers, Robert _______________________________________________ Members mailing list Members at oregonrocketry.org http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members -------------- next part -------------- Jack -----Original Message----- From: Robert Krausert To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; members at oregonrocketry.org Sent: Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:04 pm Subject: [OROC Members] Tripoli Members; Desert EXtreme - Question OregonRocketry will be hosting Desert EXtreme rocket launch to Tripoli members August 14th - 16th. ? I'd like to get a sense of who's planning to attend the event, all or part. ? Tripoli members 18 years and older are welcome to attend and can fly commercial motors. Tripoli members L2 or above can fly EX/research motors. When I said "can," that still means all Tripoli safety code and all other rules still apply. ? NAR OROC members and OROC youth (under 18 years) are welcome. But NAR and youth are not allowed in prep areas or beyond the flight line at any time during the event. ? Let me if you're planning to attend. ? Cheers, Robert _______________________________________________ Members mailing list mailto:Members at oregonrocketry.org Members at oregonrocketry.org http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Mon Aug 3 18:55:39 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:55:39 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers Message-ID: <4A77951B.7090807@earthlink.net> I found a funny video on YouTube (31 seconds long) with a surfer being interviewed by a local television news station while standing at the shore's edge about his love of surfing. I'm not exactly sure what specifically he is saying but I started imagining what a rocketeer might say if he started talking in the same manner about his latest rocket flight during TARC or on the Rocket Challenge while holding his rocket in his hand instead of a surfboard like the surfer dude. Anyone know what specifically he is saying? Anyone care to translate this into rocketspeak for a rocketeer to say in a future media interview? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyutwC_4USA Here is a transcript: "Oh brah, its just like...dude, you? get the best barrels ever, dude! Its just like, you pull in, and you just get spit right out of em'. And you just drop in and just smack the lip, WHAPPAA!!! You drop down, say BAAAAAHHHHH!!! And then after that, you just drop in, just ride the barrel and get pitted... so pitted, like that....." My best translating into rocketspeak would be the "WHAPPA!!!" is the rocket hitting MaxQ and breaking up. The "BAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!" is the rocket descending in pieces. And "getting pitted" translates either to a core sample or a landshark. Mentioning landsharks I just saw a billboard for a new brew for rocketeers. It's called...Land Shark Lager. Their motto is "Let the fin begin!" http://www.landsharklager.com/ Robert From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 19:08:47 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:08:47 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers References: <4A77951B.7090807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6EA4FC5A73C140B09E157C2729D9278B@LaptopKrausert> Um. Ah. Um, Robert thanks. I learned this great interview that the ocean has barrels and pits. Waahhh bash!!. Rocketeer interview; Ah yah, did you attach the cover letter to your TPS report? Ah yah, well we now attach cover letters to all TPS reports. Um yah, we'll need you to come in Saturday to work. Moved my cubical back and then downstairs, and haven't got a paycheck, then he took my stapler. Have you seen my stapler? Oh rockets, ignitor - wah-bash come out, and motor - wah bam, in to the sky - wo! So such zah me. The top pop - wah pop. Yah now that's. Again Robert. Thanks man. Truly, wah bash! Cheers, Robert Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers >I found a funny video on YouTube (31 seconds long) with a surfer being > interviewed by a local television news station while standing at the > shore's edge about his love of surfing. I'm not exactly sure what > specifically he is saying but I started imagining what a rocketeer might > say if he started talking in the same manner about his latest rocket > flight during TARC or on the Rocket Challenge while holding his rocket > in his hand instead of a surfboard like the surfer dude. > > Anyone know what specifically he is saying? Anyone care to translate > this into rocketspeak for a rocketeer to say in a future media interview? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyutwC_4USA > > Here is a transcript: > "Oh brah, its just like...dude, you? get the best barrels ever, dude! > Its just like, you pull in, and you just get spit right out of em'. And > you just drop in and just smack the lip, WHAPPAA!!! You drop down, say > BAAAAAHHHHH!!! And then after that, you just drop in, just ride the > barrel and get pitted... so pitted, like that....." > > My best translating into rocketspeak would be the "WHAPPA!!!" is the > rocket hitting MaxQ and breaking up. The "BAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!" is the > rocket descending in pieces. And "getting pitted" translates either to a > core sample or a landshark. > > Mentioning landsharks I just saw a billboard for a new brew for > rocketeers. It's called...Land Shark Lager. Their motto is "Let the fin > begin!" > http://www.landsharklager.com/ > > Robert > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Aug 3 20:47:32 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:47:32 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers Message-ID: We've already got our own lingo that most people can't understand. Jack Caynon came into my workplace and while we were talking rocketry my coworkers looked at us like we were speaking Klingon. :) Mike F. In a message dated 8/3/2009 6:55:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net writes: I found a funny video on YouTube (31 seconds long) with a surfer being interviewed by a local television news station while standing at the shore's edge about his love of surfing. I'm not exactly sure what specifically he is saying but I started imagining what a rocketeer might say if he started talking in the same manner about his latest rocket flight during TARC or on the Rocket Challenge while holding his rocket in his hand instead of a surfboard like the surfer dude. Anyone know what specifically he is saying? Anyone care to translate this into rocketspeak for a rocketeer to say in a future media interview? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyutwC_4USA Here is a transcript: "Oh brah, its just like...dude, you??? get the best barrels ever, dude! Its just like, you pull in, and you just get spit right out of em'. And you just drop in and just smack the lip, WHAPPAA!!! You drop down, say BAAAAAHHHHH!!! And then after that, you just drop in, just ride the barrel and get pitted... so pitted, like that....." My best translating into rocketspeak would be the "WHAPPA!!!" is the rocket hitting MaxQ and breaking up. The "BAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!" is the rocket descending in pieces. And "getting pitted" translates either to a core sample or a landshark. Mentioning landsharks I just saw a billboard for a new brew for rocketeers. It's called...Land Shark Lager. Their motto is "Let the fin begin!" http://www.landsharklager.com/ Robert _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- We've already got our own lingo that most people can't understand.? Jack Caynon came into my workplace?and while we were talking rocketry my coworkers looked at us like we were speaking Klingon. :) ? Mike F. ? In a message dated 8/3/2009 6:55:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net writes: I found a funny video on YouTube (31 seconds long) with a surfer being interviewed by a local television news station while standing at the shore's edge about his love of surfing. I'm not exactly sure what specifically he is saying but I started imagining what a rocketeer might say if he started talking in the same manner about his latest rocket flight during TARC or on the Rocket Challenge while holding his rocket in his hand instead of a surfboard like the surfer dude. Anyone know what specifically he is saying? Anyone care to translate this into rocketspeak for a rocketeer to say in a future media interview? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyutwC_4USA Here is a transcript: "Oh brah, its just like...dude, you??? get the best barrels ever, dude! Its just like, you pull in, and you just get spit right out of em'. And you just drop in and just smack the lip, WHAPPAA!!! You drop down, say BAAAAAHHHHH!!! And then after that, you just drop in, just ride the barrel and get pitted... so pitted, like that....." My best translating into rocketspeak would be the "WHAPPA!!!" is the rocket hitting MaxQ and breaking up. The "BAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!" is the rocket descending in pieces. And "getting pitted" translates either to a core sample or a landshark. Mentioning landsharks I just saw a billboard for a new brew for rocketeers. It's called...Land Shark Lager. Their motto is "Let the fin begin!" http://www.landsharklager.com/ Robert _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Mon Aug 3 21:25:00 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers In-Reply-To: <4A77951B.7090807@earthlink.net> References: <4A77951B.7090807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: All I know is that there's a brand of energy drink that has the word "nitrous" in it. Guess that must be the official morning wake-up brew for all the hybrid flyers out there, huh? +McG+ (Still wondering what WSP intended to do with 96 1-lb blocks of TNT) > I found a funny video on YouTube (31 seconds long) with a surfer being > interviewed by a local television news station while standing at the > shore's edge about his love of surfing. I'm not exactly sure what > specifically he is saying but I started imagining what a rocketeer might > say if he started talking in the same manner about his latest rocket > flight during TARC or on the Rocket Challenge while holding his rocket > in his hand instead of a surfboard like the surfer dude. > > Anyone know what specifically he is saying? Anyone care to translate > this into rocketspeak for a rocketeer to say in a future media interview? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyutwC_4USA > > Here is a transcript: > "Oh brah, its just like...dude, you??? get the best barrels ever, dude! > Its just like, you pull in, and you just get spit right out of em'. And > you just drop in and just smack the lip, WHAPPAA!!! You drop down, say > BAAAAAHHHHH!!! And then after that, you just drop in, just ride the > barrel and get pitted... so pitted, like that....." > > My best translating into rocketspeak would be the "WHAPPA!!!" is the > rocket hitting MaxQ and breaking up. The "BAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!" is the > rocket descending in pieces. And "getting pitted" translates either to a > core sample or a landshark. > > Mentioning landsharks I just saw a billboard for a new brew for > rocketeers. It's called...Land Shark Lager. Their motto is "Let the fin > begin!" > http://www.landsharklager.com/ > > Robert > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Aug 4 05:56:57 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:56:57 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A783019.9040106@earthlink.net> But did you say it like the surfer including sound effects to make flying rockets even more exciting? LOL! Robert Mfreptiles at aol.com wrote: > We've already got our own lingo that most people can't understand.? Jack Caynon came into my workplace?and while we were talking rocketry my coworkers looked at us like we were speaking Klingon. :) > ? > Mike F. > ? > In a message dated 8/3/2009 6:55:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net writes: > I found a funny video on YouTube (31 seconds long) with a surfer being > interviewed by a local television news station while standing at the > shore's edge about his love of surfing. I'm not exactly sure what > specifically he is saying but I started imagining what a rocketeer might > say if he started talking in the same manner about his latest rocket > flight during TARC or on the Rocket Challenge while holding his rocket > in his hand instead of a surfboard like the surfer dude. > Anyone know what specifically he is saying? Anyone care to translate > this into rocketspeak for a rocketeer to say in a future media interview? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyutwC_4USA > Here is a transcript: > "Oh brah, its just like...dude, you? get the best barrels ever, dude! > Its just like, you pull in, and you just get spit right out of em'. And > you just drop in and just smack the lip, WHAPPAA!!! You drop down, say > BAAAAAHHHHH!!! And then after that, you just drop in, just ride the > barrel and get pitted... so pitted, like that....." > My best translating into rocketspeak would be the "WHAPPA!!!" is the > rocket hitting MaxQ and breaking up. The "BAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!" is the > rocket descending in pieces. And "getting pitted" translates either to a > core sample or a landshark. > Mentioning landsharks I just saw a billboard for a new brew for > rocketeers. It's called...Land Shark Lager. Their motto is "Let the fin > begin!" > http://www.landsharklager.com/ > Robert > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > ? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Aug 4 06:18:54 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:18:54 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Gov't can't even keep track of their own explosives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A78353E.1010101@earthlink.net> Here's where it went possibly. http://www.kxly.com/Global/story.asp?S=10841287 Police investigating northside explosion SPOKANE -- Police are continuing to investigate an explosion that hit a northside neighborhood early Sunday morning. The explosion happened near the intersection of Eloika and A Street leaving one home damaged and neighbors' yards littered with debris from the bomb. "There was kind of a loud explosion, boom and all of sudden there's a bunch of cops out here about six cop cars they had the street blocked off," neighbor Angel Garcia said. Whatever the device was it was strong enough to blow out the windows and tear away the eaves on the house as well as blow out Angel Garcia's basement window next door. "When you're dead asleep and then you hear a loud noise it's just like, what happen, so yeah, kinda startling," Garcia said. Spokane Police say a witness saw somebody run up to the house and then run away. A few seconds later the house was rocked by the explosion. "I can't honestly tell you how many people live in that house because people come and go all the time and there's always different people there everyday of the week, so I don't know who lives there and who doesn't," Garcia said. Police say three people were inside the house when the device exploded, but nobody was hurt. Whatever the explosive device was next door, it left dozens of melted burnt pieces of white plastic scattered throughout Angel Garcia's yard and on her roof. It was evidence that detectives were collecting from around the home Sunday. The pieces of plastic found scattered about is being tested to figure out what kind of device was used. Terry Moore-Read wrote: > http://www.tri-cityherald.com/945/story/666879.html > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses > and dangerous content by Lukins & Annis, P.S. > > NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or > privileged material, and is intended solely > for use by the above referenced recipient. Any > review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- > bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. > > If you are not the recipient, and believe that > you have received this in error, please notify > the sender and delete the copy you received. > > Thank You! > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 10:24:11 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers In-Reply-To: References: <4A77951B.7090807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <746961.89476.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nitrous is good stuff if you like tangerine flavored drinks. I learned the hard was that two Redbulls in the large cans and one nitrous before ten am is not very good. I sure miss the tips from customers when I was delivering furniture. :o) John Hornsby ________________________________ From: "kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:25:00 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers All I know is that there's a brand of energy drink that has the word "nitrous" in it.? Guess that must be the official morning wake-up brew for all the hybrid flyers out there, huh? +McG+ (Still wondering what WSP intended to do with 96 1-lb blocks of TNT) > I found a funny video on YouTube (31 seconds long) with a surfer being > interviewed by a local television news station while standing at the > shore's edge about his love of surfing. I'm not exactly sure what > specifically he is saying but I started imagining what a rocketeer might > say if he started talking in the same manner about his latest rocket > flight during TARC or on the Rocket Challenge while holding his rocket > in his hand instead of a surfboard like the surfer dude. > > Anyone know what specifically he is saying? Anyone care to translate > this into rocketspeak for a rocketeer to say in a future media interview? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyutwC_4USA > > Here is a transcript: > "Oh brah, its just like...dude, you??? get the best barrels ever, dude! > Its just like, you pull in, and you just get spit right out of em'. And > you just drop in and just smack the lip, WHAPPAA!!! You drop down, say > BAAAAAHHHHH!!! And then after that, you just drop in, just ride the > barrel and get pitted... so pitted, like that....." > > My best translating into rocketspeak would be the "WHAPPA!!!" is the > rocket hitting MaxQ and breaking up. The "BAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!" is the > rocket descending in pieces. And "getting pitted" translates either to a > core sample or a landshark. > > Mentioning landsharks I just saw a billboard for a new brew for > rocketeers. It's called...Land Shark Lager. Their motto is "Let the fin > begin!" > http://www.landsharklager.com/ > > Robert > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Nitrous is good stuff if you like tangerine flavored drinks. I learned the hard was that two Redbulls in the large cans and one nitrous before ten am is not very good. I sure miss the tips from customers when I was delivering furniture. :o) ? John Hornsby From: "kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:25:00 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers All I know is that there's a brand of energy drink that has the word "nitrous" in it.? Guess that must be the official morning wake-up brew for all the hybrid flyers out there, huh? +McG+ (Still wondering what WSP intended to do with 96 1-lb blocks of TNT) > I found a funny video on YouTube (31 seconds long) with a surfer being > interviewed by a local television news station while standing at the > shore's edge about his love of surfing. I'm not exactly sure what > specifically he is saying but I started imagining what a rocketeer might > say if he started talking in the same manner about his latest rocket > flight during TARC or on the Rocket Challenge while holding his rocket > in his hand instead of a surfboard like the surfer dude. > > Anyone know what specifically he is saying? Anyone care to translate > this into rocketspeak for a rocketeer to say in a future media interview? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyutwC_4USA > > Here is a transcript: > "Oh brah, its just like...dude, you??? get the best barrels ever, dude! > Its just like, you pull in, and you just get spit right out of em'. And > you just drop in and just smack the lip, WHAPPAA!!! You drop down, say > BAAAAAHHHHH!!! And then after that, you just drop in, just ride the > barrel and get pitted... so pitted, like that....." > > My best translating into rocketspeak would be the "WHAPPA!!!" is the > rocket hitting MaxQ and breaking up. The "BAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!" is the > rocket descending in pieces. And "getting pitted" translates either to a > core sample or a landshark. > > Mentioning landsharks I just saw a billboard for a new brew for > rocketeers. It's called...Land Shark Lager. Their motto is "Let the fin > begin!" > http://www.landsharklager.com/ > > Robert > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From lennyb at telus.net Tue Aug 4 19:06:27 2009 From: lennyb at telus.net (Len Bryan) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:06:27 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Gov't can't even keep track of their own explosives In-Reply-To: <4A78353E.1010101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46EB9B1211D140E3B9DAA5DBFABB70D3@lorto720> That sounds more like a meth. lab gone bad. Good riddance. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: August 4, 2009 6:19 AM To: NW Rocketry mailing list Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Gov't can't even keep track of their own explosives Here's where it went possibly. http://www.kxly.com/Global/story.asp?S=10841287 Police investigating northside explosion From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Tue Aug 4 21:57:47 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers In-Reply-To: <746961.89476.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4A77951B.7090807@earthlink.net> <746961.89476.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5c7b8e5038cbfd4f87a5014194901aec.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Tangerine, huh? Sounds like I'd like it. The last weekend launch I went to(it's been a while)I read the labels on the energy drink cans and bought a couple of big cans with the highest caffeine content. Forget what it was, not Redbull. Used one instead of my usual big handful of chocolate covered coffee beans to get going each morning. Three cans of energy-juice might indeed be a *bit* much though! Hoping for good weather at Sheridan--looks like I can make that one. +McG+ > Nitrous is good stuff if you like tangerine flavored drinks. I learned the > hard was that two Redbulls in the large cans and one nitrous before ten am > is not very good. I sure miss the tips from customers when I was > delivering furniture. :o) > ? > John Hornsby > From: > "kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com" > To: > rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: > Monday, August 3, 2009 9:25:00 PM > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers > All I know is that there's a brand of energy drink that has the word > "nitrous" in it.? Guess that must be the official morning wake-up brew for > all the hybrid flyers out there, huh? > +McG+ > (Still wondering what WSP intended to do with 96 1-lb blocks of TNT) >> I found a funny video on YouTube (31 seconds long) with a surfer being >> interviewed by a local television news station while standing at the >> shore's edge about his love of surfing. I'm not exactly sure what >> specifically he is saying but I started imagining what a rocketeer might >> say if he started talking in the same manner about his latest rocket >> flight during TARC or on the Rocket Challenge while holding his rocket >> in his hand instead of a surfboard like the surfer dude. >> >> Anyone know what specifically he is saying? Anyone care to translate >> this into rocketspeak for a rocketeer to say in a future media >> interview? >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyutwC_4USA >> >> Here is a transcript: >> "Oh brah, its just like...dude, you??? get the best barrels ever, dude! >> Its just like, you pull in, and you just get spit right out of em'. And >> you just drop in and just smack the lip, WHAPPAA!!! You drop down, say >> BAAAAAHHHHH!!! And then after that, you just drop in, just ride the >> barrel and get pitted... so pitted, like that....." >> >> My best translating into rocketspeak would be the "WHAPPA!!!" is the >> rocket hitting MaxQ and breaking up. The "BAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!" is the >> rocket descending in pieces. And "getting pitted" translates either to a >> core sample or a landshark. >> >> Mentioning landsharks I just saw a billboard for a new brew for >> rocketeers. It's called...Land Shark Lager. Their motto is "Let the fin >> begin!" >> http://www.landsharklager.com/ >> >> Robert >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > ? > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 09:54:52 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers In-Reply-To: <5c7b8e5038cbfd4f87a5014194901aec.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> References: <4A77951B.7090807@earthlink.net> <746961.89476.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5c7b8e5038cbfd4f87a5014194901aec.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Message-ID: <457028.34969.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Really? You make a launch? I guess one in fifteen years is good. :o) The NOS is a good one. I find it to be a little weak for my taste. But you might like. As for the flavor, that stuff is very tasty. John Hornsby? ________________________________ From: "kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 9:57:47 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers Tangerine, huh? Sounds like I'd like it.? The last weekend launch I went to(it's been a while)I read the labels on the energy drink cans and bought a couple of big cans with the highest caffeine content.? Forget what it was, not Redbull.? Used one instead of my usual big handful of chocolate covered coffee beans to get going each morning.? Three cans of energy-juice might indeed be a *bit* much though! Hoping for good weather at Sheridan--looks like I can make that one. +McG+ > Nitrous is good stuff if you like tangerine flavored drinks. I learned the > hard was that two Redbulls in the large cans and one nitrous before ten am > is not very good. I sure miss the tips from customers when I was > delivering furniture. :o) > ? > John Hornsby > From: > "kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com" > To: > rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: > Monday, August 3, 2009 9:25:00 PM > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers > All I know is that there's a brand of energy drink that has the word > "nitrous" in it.? Guess that must be the official morning wake-up brew for > all the hybrid flyers out there, huh? > +McG+ > (Still wondering what WSP intended to do with 96 1-lb blocks of TNT) >> I found a funny video on YouTube (31 seconds long) with a surfer being >> interviewed by a local television news station while standing at the >> shore's edge about his love of surfing. I'm not exactly sure what >> specifically he is saying but I started imagining what a rocketeer might >> say if he started talking in the same manner about his latest rocket >> flight during TARC or on the Rocket Challenge while holding his rocket >> in his hand instead of a surfboard like the surfer dude. >> >> Anyone know what specifically he is saying? Anyone care to translate >> this into rocketspeak for a rocketeer to say in a future media >> interview? >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyutwC_4USA >> >> Here is a transcript: >> "Oh brah, its just like...dude, you??? get the best barrels ever, dude! >> Its just like, you pull in, and you just get spit right out of em'. And >> you just drop in and just smack the lip, WHAPPAA!!! You drop down, say >> BAAAAAHHHHH!!! And then after that, you just drop in, just ride the >> barrel and get pitted... so pitted, like that....." >> >> My best translating into rocketspeak would be the "WHAPPA!!!" is the >> rocket hitting MaxQ and breaking up. The "BAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!" is the >> rocket descending in pieces. And "getting pitted" translates either to a >> core sample or a landshark. >> >> Mentioning landsharks I just saw a billboard for a new brew for >> rocketeers. It's called...Land Shark Lager. Their motto is "Let the fin >> begin!" >> http://www.landsharklager.com/ >> >> Robert >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > ? > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Really? You make a launch? I guess one in fifteen years is good. :o) ? The NOS is a good one. I find it to be a little weak for my taste. But you might like. As for the flavor, that stuff is very tasty. ? John Hornsby? From: "kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 9:57:47 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers Tangerine, huh? Sounds like I'd like it.? The last weekend launch I went to(it's been a while)I read the labels on the energy drink cans and bought a couple of big cans with the highest caffeine content.? Forget what it was, not Redbull.? Used one instead of my usual big handful of chocolate covered coffee beans to get going each morning.? Three cans of energy-juice might indeed be a *bit* much though! Hoping for good weather at Sheridan--looks like I can make that one. +McG+ > Nitrous is good stuff if you like tangerine flavored drinks. I learned the > hard was that two Redbulls in the large cans and one nitrous before ten am > is not very good. I sure miss the tips from customers when I was > delivering furniture. :o) > ? > John Hornsby > From: > " mailto:kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com " < mailto:kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com > > To: > mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: > Monday, August 3, 2009 9:25:00 PM > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] Surfer rocketeers > All I know is that there's a brand of energy drink that has the word > "nitrous" in it.? Guess that must be the official morning wake-up brew for > all the hybrid flyers out there, huh? > +McG+ > (Still wondering what WSP intended to do with 96 1-lb blocks of TNT) >> I found a funny video on YouTube (31 seconds long) with a surfer being >> interviewed by a local television news station while standing at the >> shore's edge about his love of surfing. I'm not exactly sure what >> specifically he is saying but I started imagining what a rocketeer might >> say if he started talking in the same manner about his latest rocket >> flight during TARC or on the Rocket Challenge while holding his rocket >> in his hand instead of a surfboard like the surfer dude. >> >> Anyone know what specifically he is saying? Anyone care to translate >> this into rocketspeak for a rocketeer to say in a future media >> interview? >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyutwC_4USA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyutwC_4USA >> >> Here is a transcript: >> "Oh brah, its just like...dude, you??? get the best barrels ever, dude! >> Its just like, you pull in, and you just get spit right out of em'. And >> you just drop in and just smack the lip, WHAPPAA!!! You drop down, say >> BAAAAAHHHHH!!! And then after that, you just drop in, just ride the >> barrel and get pitted... so pitted, like that....." >> >> My best translating into rocketspeak would be the "WHAPPA!!!" is the >> rocket hitting MaxQ and breaking up. The "BAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!" is the >> rocket descending in pieces. And "getting pitted" translates either to a >> core sample or a landshark. >> >> Mentioning landsharks I just saw a billboard for a new brew for >> rocketeers. It's called...Land Shark Lager. Their motto is "Let the fin >> begin!" >> http://www.landsharklager.com/ http://www.landsharklager.com/ >> >> Robert >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> mailto: mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto: mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > ? > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From jim at discountrocketry.com Wed Aug 5 14:33:03 2009 From: jim at discountrocketry.com (Jim Myres) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:33:03 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Discount Rocketry Motor Reload Sale Message-ID: <20090805213250.WFNG1223.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Dear, Rockets North West! Announcing a sale on Aerotech High Power Reloads 50% off on Warp-Nine reloads 20% off everything else Please see the attached PDF file for prices and availability. You can call me at (760) 224-0950 or email me at jim at discountrocketry.com to order. Thanks, Jim Myres -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. ?- Carl From carl at mousetrap.com Fri Aug 7 09:10:00 2009 From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:10:00 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch in September! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It has come to my attention that our list server(s) may have incorrectly reformatted my original message before forwarding it to subscribers. Here is another attempt, this time as plain text... The Washington Aerospace Club will be holding a launch this September in Mansfield. This launch is an addition to our current launch schedule, motivated by member interest and free flowing AP. We are targeting the weekend of September 19th and 20th, but?don't yet know whether it will be held at the Sportsman's Club or the Ranch. In order to determine our GSE needs we need to know who will be there. If you plan to attend, please let me know. I hope to see you in September! Thanks. ?- Carl From sealtee at cableone.net Fri Aug 7 17:02:16 2009 From: sealtee at cableone.net (Cameron Tinder) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:02:16 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch in September! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801ca17bb$7e01f0a0$7a05d1e0$@net> Great news! My family and I will be there! Cameron Tinder -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of rockets-request at rocketsnw.com Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:00 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7 Send Rockets mailing list submissions to rockets at rocketsnw.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rockets-request at rocketsnw.com You can reach the person managing the list at rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Mansfield launch in September! (Carl Hamilton) 2. Re: Mansfield launch in September! (Carl Hamilton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 07:59:03 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch in September! To: NorthWest Rocketry , WAC Members Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The Washington Aerospace Club will be holding a launch this September in Mansfield. This launch is an addition to our current launch schedule, motivated by member interest and free flowing AP. We are targeting the weekend of September 19th and 20th, but don't yet know whether it will be held at the Sportsman's Club or the Ranch. In order to determine our GSE needs we need to know who will be there. If you plan to attend, please let me know. I hope to see you in September! Thanks. - Carl -------------- next part -------------- I hope to see you in September! Thanks. ?- Carl ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:10:00 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch in September! To: NorthWest Rocketry , WAC Members Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It has come to my attention that our list server(s) may have incorrectly reformatted my original message before forwarding it to subscribers. Here is another attempt, this time as plain text... The Washington Aerospace Club will be holding a launch this September in Mansfield. This launch is an addition to our current launch schedule, motivated by member interest and free flowing AP. We are targeting the weekend of September 19th and 20th, but?don't yet know whether it will be held at the Sportsman's Club or the Ranch. In order to determine our GSE needs we need to know who will be there. If you plan to attend, please let me know. I hope to see you in September! Thanks. ?- Carl ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets End of Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7 ************************************** From bar0051 at homenetnw.net Fri Aug 7 18:04:10 2009 From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net (Bryon Schopp) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:04:10 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch in September! References: Message-ID: <0C7D821E8A564F7CBAB8976FD8D6F304@MEDIONDeskTop> I will be there, long drive you know. Bryon Schopp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Hamilton" To: "NorthWest Rocketry" ; "WAC Members" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch in September! > It has come to my attention that our list server(s) may have > incorrectly reformatted my original message before forwarding it to > subscribers. Here is another attempt, this time as plain text... > > The Washington Aerospace Club will be holding a launch this September > in Mansfield. This launch is an addition to our current launch > schedule, motivated by member interest and free flowing AP. We are > targeting the weekend of September 19th and 20th, but don't yet know > whether it will be held at the Sportsman's Club or the Ranch. In order > to determine our GSE needs we need to know who will be there. If you > plan to attend, please let me know. > > I hope to see you in September! > > Thanks. > > - Carl > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From appusher at q.com Fri Aug 7 18:41:39 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 01:41:39 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch in September! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: PSP will be there. Our inventory is rather depleted. We will be ordering prior to WAC Sept launch so we receive a shipment prior to the launch. I have heard from Dave Glass and Dale Woodford. Anybody else wanting even the most common motors should give me a ping with the email. Don't be disappointed at the launch. Pre-orders are strongly recommended. Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 07:59:03 -0700 > From: carl at mousetrap.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; members at washingtonaerospace.org > Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch in September! > > The Washington Aerospace Club will be holding a launch this September in > Mansfield. This launch is an addition to our current launch schedule, > motivated by member interest and free flowing AP. We are targeting the > weekend of September 19th and 20th, but don't yet know whether it will be > held at the Sportsman's Club or the Ranch. In order to determine our GSE > needs we need to know who will be there. If you plan to attend, please let > me know. > I hope to see you in September! > > Thanks. > > - Carl -------------- next part -------------- PSP will be there. Our inventory is rather depleted.? We will be ordering prior to WAC Sept launch so we receive a shipment prior to the launch. I have heard from Dave Glass and Dale Woodford.? Anybody else wanting even the most common motors should give me a ping with the email.? Don't be disappointed at the launch.? Pre-orders are strongly recommended. ? Bill http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ? > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 07:59:03 -0700 > From: carl at mousetrap.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; members at washingtonaerospace.org > Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch in September! > > The Washington Aerospace Club will be holding a launch this September in > Mansfield. This launch is an addition to our current launch schedule, > motivated by member interest and free flowing AP. We are targeting the > weekend of September 19th and 20th, but don't yet know whether it will be > held at the Sportsman's Club or the Ranch. In order to determine our GSE > needs we need to know who will be there. If you plan to attend, please let > me know. > I hope to see you in September! > > Thanks. > > - Carl From Simpsonclark at aol.com Fri Aug 7 21:58:08 2009 From: Simpsonclark at aol.com (Simpsonclark at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:58:08 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Mansfield launch in September! Message-ID: Planning on it! -Robert In a message dated 8/7/2009 7:59:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, carl at mousetrap.com writes: The Washington Aerospace Club will be holding a launch this September in Mansfield. This launch is an addition to our current launch schedule, motivated by member interest and free flowing AP. We are targeting the weekend of September 19th and 20th, but don't yet know whether it will be held at the Sportsman's Club or the Ranch. In order to determine our GSE needs we need to know who will be there. If you plan to attend, please let me know. I hope to see you in September! Thanks. - Carl _______________________________________________ members mailing list members at washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace. org -------------- next part -------------- Planning on it! -Robert ? In a message dated 8/7/2009 7:59:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, carl at mousetrap.com writes: The Washington Aerospace Club will be holding a launch this September in Mansfield. This launch is an addition to our current launch schedule, motivated by member interest and free flowing AP. We are targeting the weekend of September 19th and 20th, but?don't yet know whether it will be held at the Sportsman's Club or the Ranch. In order to determine our GSE needs we need to know who will be there. If you plan to attend, please let me know. I hope to see you in September! Thanks. ?- Carl _______________________________________________ members mailing list members at washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 13:58:47 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:58:47 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Message-ID: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. The following members have announced that they're planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're?planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, Robert ? From Mfreptiles at aol.com Sat Aug 8 16:50:47 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:50:47 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Message-ID: Although I'm listed, I'm not attending, but that 38mm O sounds like fun. :) My next launch is BALLS, Sheridan as a spectator maybe. Mike F. In a message dated 8/8/2009 1:59:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. The following members have announced that they're planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. Cheers, Robert Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. The following members have announced that they're planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. Cheers, Robert _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Although I'm listed, I'm not attending, but that 38mm O sounds like fun.? :)? My next launch is BALLS, Sheridan as a spectator maybe. ? Mike F. ? In a message dated 8/8/2009 1:59:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. The following members have announced that they're planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. Cheers, Robert Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're?planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, Robert ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Sun Aug 9 10:01:06 2009 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (Steve Cutonilli) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 10:01:06 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow you guys - this is gonna be a great launch! Are the majority of you planning for Sat/Sun? Friday is virtually impossible for me to attend and I don't want to miss this one. Wife out of town, busy at work, no dog sitter. Participants listed - please chime in on ETAs. Thanks! /Steve -----Original Message----- From: members-bounces at oregonrocketry.org [mailto:members-bounces at oregonrocketry.org] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:59 PM To: members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [OROC Members] Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. The following members have announced that they're planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Wow you guys ??? this is gonna be a great launch! ? Are the majority of you planning for Sat/Sun? ? Friday is virtually impossible for me to attend and I don???t want to miss this one. ? Wife out of town, busy at work, no dog sitter??? ? Participants listed - please chime in on ETAs. ? Thanks! ? /Steve ? -----Original Message----- From: members-bounces at oregonrocketry.org [mailto:members-bounces at oregonrocketry.org] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:59 PM To: members at oregonrocketry.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [OROC Members] Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th ? Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're?planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, Robert ? From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Aug 9 10:43:41 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 10:43:41 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NARAM-51 live website Message-ID: <4A7F0ACD.1030004@earthlink.net> http://www.naramlive.com/naramlive-2009/ NARAM started yesterday. Robert From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Aug 9 11:51:32 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:51:32 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SolarFest rocket launch, 60 Acres Park, 16AUG09/1000-1800 Message-ID: <4A7F1AB4.2090205@earthlink.net> Launch Name: SolarFest Location: 60 Acres Park, north field Date: 16 August 2009 Time: 10:00AM to 6:00PM The SolarFest rocket launch, hosted by no one in particular, which will be held at 60 Acres Park in Redmond, Washington. Launch operations will commence on Sunday, 16 August 2009 at 10:00AM and conclude around 6:00PM Several people will be bringing their own launch pads and launch controllers to the launch site as the non-existent launch host has none to provide. Fly your rocket!! All rockets from 1/4A to H power are welcome. Regardless of motor, you must ensure your rocket can land within the confines of the park. Spot landings are encouraged! This launch allows only FAA "Class 1" rockets - up to 125g of propellant, and max rocket weight of 1,500 grams (3.3 lbs) Win a prize!! Roadside Hobbies is sponsoring a "set parachute duration" contest. Tell the contest director how long you think your rocket, with a parachute for the recovery device, will fly from liftoff to touchdown. The closest times will win a prize! Fly Safely!! Flying safely is critical to our continued access to the field. Please refrain from landsharking, cruisemissling, lawndarting, and coresampling. Anyone flying for the first time is more than welcome to present their rocket to one of the seasoned rocketeers for a safety inspection. 60 Acres Park is located in the very beautiful, scenic, and sunny metropolis of Redmond, Washington and is very easy to find. If your rocket needs directions to the launch site please enter this address below into Google Earth or other mapping website or software. 15200 NE 116th Street, Remond, WA 98052. The park is split in half by NE 116th street. Launch and recovery operations will be conducted on the north side of the field with parking available. For more info go to http://www.60acres.org/ . Soccer games are not scheduled but if there are then the south field will be used. To access the field you can either park at the south field parking lot on the northwestern corner of the field or you can drive on to the field from the east side. When you leave the launch site please be sure to take all of your belongings and trash. If you leave anything, please be sure it's something we'd like to have. Even though there are garbage containers on the field, they don't get emptied on a regular basis. See you at the launch! From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 18:13:04 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:13:04 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Wilsonville Memorial Park Launch Report - August 9, 2009 Message-ID: <706CBEDC0BA646C68963B22348E6FA54@LaptopKrausert> The August 9th 2009 Wilsonville launch event at Memorial park was successful. BYOGSE worked out well, we had 7 pads and 5 controllers. We'll host the equipment - so no need to bring GSE next time. Thank you to everyone that brought GSE. Began at 2pm with rockets in the air. Most had packed up and had left by a little after 4pm. There were two soccer games happening at the North and East sides of the field. We setup between the two south baseball diamonds. Worked out very well. Only two treed rockets this month. No darts... We had 23 people at the launch, plus a couple spectators. Motor selection this month was on the low-power side. Winds on the ground were mostly calm with occasional winds gusting to ~7-8 mph, with upper currents at times moving faster. Moving all directions. Motor stats: A = 11 B = 12 C = 23 D = 1 Total of 53 flights, with 3 two-stage flights. Most flights by a single flyer is hard to tell. Didn't keep track, but I'm thinking it was Stefan Jones. Joe Bevier would a close match. Other flyers did numerous flights, so very tough to tell. Let's just say, no clue. OregonRocketry is truly proud to support this event and the advancement of model rocketry in our local areas. We need to continue to get city leaders all over the state on board. Our youth need a place to experience rocketry to become hooked. Our next generation of engineers will not come from kids simply building a kit and only getting to stare at it in their bedroom, unused. Trial, error, learning, retrying is where the magic happens. Thank you to all that attended the event. Next event is Sheridan on September 12th and 13th. Adventures in model, sport and amateur rocketry begins here with OregonRocketry. Visit us at oregonrocketry.com. Cheers, Robert Club President -------------- next part -------------- The August 9th 2009 Wilsonville launch event at Memorial park was successful. BYOGSE worked out well, we had 7 pads and 5 controllers. We'll host the equipment - so no need to bring GSE next time. Thank you to everyone that brought GSE. ? Began at 2pm with rockets in the air. Most had packed up and had left by a little after 4pm. There were two soccer games happening at the North and East sides of the field. We setup between the two south baseball diamonds. Worked out very well. Only two treed rockets this month. No darts... ? We had 23 people at the launch, plus a couple spectators. Motor selection this month was on the low-power side. Winds on the ground were mostly calm with occasional winds gusting to ~7-8 mph, with upper currents at times moving faster. Moving all directions. ? Motor stats: A = 11 B = 12 C = 23 D = 1 ? Total of 53 flights, with 3 two-stage flights. Most flights by a single flyer is hard to tell. Didn't keep track, but I'm thinking it was Stefan Jones. Joe Bevier would a close match. Other flyers?did numerous flights, so very tough to tell. Let's just say, no clue. ? OregonRocketry is truly proud to support this event and the advancement of model rocketry in our local areas. We need to continue to get city leaders all over the state on board. Our youth need a place to experience rocketry to become hooked. Our next generation of engineers will not come from kids simply building a kit and only getting to stare at it in their bedroom, unused. Trial, error, learning, retrying is where the magic happens. ? Thank you to all that attended the event. Next event is Sheridan on September 12th and 13th. ? Adventures in model, sport and amateur rocketry begins here with OregonRocketry. Visit us at oregonrocketry.com. ? Cheers, Robert Club President From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Aug 9 21:24:30 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:24:30 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres rocket contests update Message-ID: <4A7FA0FE.8030505@earthlink.net> SolarFest Set Parachute Duration, 16 August 2009 (sponsored by Roadside Hobbies) The set parachute duration contest for the SolarFest launch at 60 Acres this coming Sunday has the following rules. Minimum motor class is B. Recovery system required: parachute (any size) Age Divisions: 12 and under (child), 13 and above (adult). You are allowed to enter as many models as you like. Each model can fly two times with the same motor. You can fly the same model again if you use a different motor but again limited to two flights with the same motor. The contestant (in their respective age division) that comes closest above or below their predicted time wins. September Skies (set) Egg Loft Duration, 13 September 2009 (tentative) (sponsored by Roadside Hobbies) I just want to alert rocketeers who plan to attend the September Skies launch at 60 Acres Park that there will be an egg lofting contest you will be able to compete in. It will either be a duration or set duration. Rules are as follows. Motor class: C Age Divisions: 12 and under (child), 13 and above (adult). Open to single-staged model rockets that carry, as a totally enclosed payload, one raw USDA Large hen's egg, with a mass of no less than 57 grams and no more than 63 grams; and measuring no more than 45 millimeters in diameter. The purpose of this competition is to carry an exceedingly fragile payload for as long a time as possible and to recover the payload without damage. The egg is intended to simulate (in miniature) an astronaut, who must be properly cushioned and restrained to withstand the forces of acceleration and the shock of landing. No material may be affixed to the egg (e.g., glue or tape). No catching of models is allowed. More info on NAR rules for egg lofting. http://www.nar.org/pinkbook/34_ELD.html If the contest is simple duration fly your rocket and egg as many times as you want using your best time. The contestant (in their respective age class) whose model achieves the longest duration for a single flight is the winner. If set duration is chosen two flight will be allowed. The contestant (in their respective age class) who gets closest to their predicted time wins. Egg lofter plans http://homepage.mac.com/georgegassaway/BRB_contest/EggloftPlan/Eggloft.html Tips on building an egg lofting rocket. http://homepage.mac.com/georgegassaway/BRB_contest/EggloftPlan/Eggloft.html (more plans at bottom of page) From absworld at cet.com Mon Aug 10 10:00:07 2009 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:00:07 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question Message-ID: <01cf01ca19dc$049825e0$0dc871a0$@com> I have an AT H180 that I want to incorporate as long of a delay as possible. The instructions call out RDK-03 for short, RDK-05 for medium, and RDK-07 for long. The RDK-07 is listed as 0.656" long. My question(s): The RDK-08 is 0.719" long and RDK-3, 5, 7, & 8 are all composed of the same delay material. Why couldn't a person incorporate the RDK-08 into the H180 and get an even longer delay than the RDK-07 (other than violating the 'follow the instructions' rule for commercial motors)? Why does the longer RDK-08 equate to just a medium delay for the H97? Both RDK-08 and RDK-15 are listed as 0.719" in length, standard delay material and 0.610" O.D. plastic tube material. What makes them different? I so well remember the 'fear' of going to electronics only and now I'm feeling the same thing contemplating a motor eject only flight. Bob Yanecek -------------- next part -------------- I have an AT H180 that I want to incorporate as long of a delay as possible. ? The instructions call out RDK-03 for short, RDK-05 for medium, and RDK-07 for long. ? The RDK-07 is listed as 0.656??? long. My question(s): The RDK-08 is 0.719??? long and RDK-3, 5, 7, & 8 are all composed of the same delay material. Why couldn???t a person incorporate the RDK-08 into the H180 and get an even longer delay than the RDK-07 (other than violating the ???follow the instructions??? rule for commercial motors)? Why does the longer RDK-08 equate to just a medium delay for the H97? ? Both RDK-08 and RDK-15 are listed as 0.719??? in length, standard delay material and 0.610??? O.D. plastic tube material. What makes them different? ? I so well remember the ???fear??? of going to electronics only and now I???m feeling the same thing contemplating a motor eject only flight. ? Bob Yanecek ? ? ? From melamy at earthlink.net Mon Aug 10 10:23:53 2009 From: melamy at earthlink.net (melamy at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question Message-ID: <9655539.1249925034371.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> RDK-15 has to burn for 16 seconds to give a J350 a long delay (2 second propellant burn plus 14 seconds delay time to eject), so I would surmise that the chart is wrong and the RDK-15 is actually slow material. The RDK-8 only has to burn for 12.5 seconds to give a H97 a medium delay. If you used a RDK-15 then the eject should be at motor ignition plus 16 seconds or around 14.7 seconds (unless I haven't had enough coffee today...) best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- >From: Bob & Ann Yanecek >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:00 PM >To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > >I have an AT H180 that I want to incorporate as long of a delay as possible. >? >The instructions call out RDK-03 for short, RDK-05 for medium, and RDK-07 for long. >? >The RDK-07 is listed as 0.656??? long. >My question(s): >The RDK-08 is 0.719??? long and RDK-3, 5, 7, & 8 are all composed of the same delay material. >Why couldn???t a person incorporate the RDK-08 into the H180 and get an even longer delay than the RDK-07 (other than violating the ???follow the instructions??? rule for commercial motors)? >Why does the longer RDK-08 equate to just a medium delay for the H97? >? >Both RDK-08 and RDK-15 are listed as 0.719??? in length, standard delay material and 0.610??? O.D. plastic tube material. >What makes them different? >? >I so well remember the ???fear??? of going to electronics only and now I???m feeling the same thing contemplating a motor eject only flight. >? >Bob Yanecek >? >? >? From raystoner99 at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 10:33:28 2009 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (raystoner99 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question In-Reply-To: <9655539.1249925034371.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <107519650.11003951249925608534.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Steve's got it right. Aerotech fully supports and encourages the mixing, matching and trimming of the delays, so no rules violation there. They even provide a tool to accurately modify the delay, al la Cessaroni. I just wish they would standardize on a set of delays. Say begin at a 5 second (RDK-5?) and go by 2 second intervals up to the maximum that will fit in the delay well. The designator would be for the burn time of the delay, not the delay time on the motor. Delay would then be calculated as the motor burn time minus the delay burn time. There is a chart somewhere that outlines all the delay times for all kinds of different motors. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: melamy at earthlink.net To: "Bob & Ann Yanecek" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:23:53 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question RDK-15 has to burn for 16 seconds to give a J350 a long delay (2 second propellant burn plus 14 seconds delay time to eject), so I would surmise that the chart is wrong and the RDK-15 is actually slow material. The RDK-8 only has to burn for 12.5 seconds to give a H97 a medium delay. If you used a RDK-15 then the eject should be at motor ignition plus 16 seconds or around 14.7 seconds (unless I haven't had enough coffee today...) best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- >From: Bob & Ann Yanecek >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:00 PM >To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > >I have an AT H180 that I want to incorporate as long of a delay as possible. > >The instructions call out RDK-03 for short, RDK-05 for medium, and RDK-07 for long. > >The RDK-07 is listed as 0.656?????? long. >My question(s): >The RDK-08 is 0.719?????? long and RDK-3, 5, 7, & 8 are all composed of the same delay material. >Why couldn??????t a person incorporate the RDK-08 into the H180 and get an even longer delay than the RDK-07 (other than violating the ??????follow the instructions?????? rule for commercial motors)? >Why does the longer RDK-08 equate to just a medium delay for the H97? > >Both RDK-08 and RDK-15 are listed as 0.719?????? in length, standard delay material and 0.610?????? O.D. plastic tube material. >What makes them different? > >I so well remember the ??????fear?????? of going to electronics only and now I??????m feeling the same thing contemplating a motor eject only flight. > >Bob Yanecek > > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Steve's got it right. Aerotech fully supports and encourages the mixing, matching and trimming of the delays, so no rules violation there.? They even provide a tool to accurately modify the delay, al la Cessaroni. I just wish they would standardize on a set of delays.? Say begin at a 5 second (RDK-5?) and go by 2 second intervals up to the maximum that will fit in the delay well.? The designator would be for the burn time of the delay, not the delay time on the motor.? Delay would then be calculated as the motor burn time minus the delay burn time. There is a chart somewhere that outlines all the delay times for all kinds of different motors. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: melamy at earthlink.net To: "Bob & Ann Yanecek" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:23:53 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question RDK-15 has to burn for 16 seconds to give a J350 a long delay (2 second propellant burn plus 14 seconds delay time to eject), so I would surmise that the chart is wrong and the RDK-15 is actually slow material. The RDK-8 only has to burn for 12.5 seconds to give a H97 a medium delay. If you used a RDK-15 then the eject should be at motor ignition plus 16 seconds or around 14.7 seconds (unless I haven't had enough coffee today...) best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- >From: Bob & Ann Yanecek >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:00 PM >To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > >I have an AT H180 that I want to incorporate as long of a delay as possible. >? >The instructions call out RDK-03 for short, RDK-05 for medium, and RDK-07 for long. >? >The RDK-07 is listed as 0.656?????? long. >My question(s): >The RDK-08 is 0.719?????? long and RDK-3, 5, 7, & 8 are all composed of the same delay material. >Why couldn??????t a person incorporate the RDK-08 into the H180 and get an even longer delay than the RDK-07 (other than violating the ??????follow the instructions?????? rule for commercial motors)? >Why does the longer RDK-08 equate to just a medium delay for the H97? >? >Both RDK-08 and RDK-15 are listed as 0.719?????? in length, standard delay material and 0.610?????? O.D. plastic tube material. >What makes them different? >? >I so well remember the ??????fear?????? of going to electronics only and now I??????m feeling the same thing contemplating a motor eject only flight. >? >Bob Yanecek >? >? >? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ?? From bphlat234 at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 10:53:23 2009 From: bphlat234 at comcast.net (Gary Harris) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:53:23 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question In-Reply-To: <9655539.1249925034371.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9655539.1249925034371.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3FFC4C5966E34DA0920B0C095499CFD2@Garylaptop> when AT went to RDK+ all the delays became the same compound; they are all interchangeable. I heard this from NAR motor tester John Lyngdal who was told that by Gary R of AT. They do produce different times however when used with different propellants. Gary Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Bob & Ann Yanecek" ; Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > RDK-15 has to burn for 16 seconds to give a J350 a long delay (2 second > propellant burn plus 14 seconds delay time to eject), so I would surmise > that the chart is wrong and the RDK-15 is actually slow material. The > RDK-8 only has to burn for 12.5 seconds to give a H97 a medium delay. > > If you used a RDK-15 then the eject should be at motor ignition plus 16 > seconds or around 14.7 seconds (unless I haven't had enough coffee > today...) > > best regards, Steve Thatcher > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Bob & Ann Yanecek >>Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:00 PM >>To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question >> >>I have an AT H180 that I want to incorporate as long of a delay as >>possible. >> >>The instructions call out RDK-03 for short, RDK-05 for medium, and RDK-07 >>for long. >> >>The RDK-07 is listed as 0.656??? long. >>My question(s): >>The RDK-08 is 0.719??? long and RDK-3, 5, 7, & 8 are all composed of the >>same delay material. >>Why couldn???t a person incorporate the RDK-08 into the H180 and get an >>even longer delay than the RDK-07 (other than violating the ???follow the >>instructions??? rule for commercial motors)? >>Why does the longer RDK-08 equate to just a medium delay for the H97? >> >>Both RDK-08 and RDK-15 are listed as 0.719??? in length, standard delay >>material and 0.610??? O.D. plastic tube material. >>What makes them different? >> >>I so well remember the ???fear??? of going to electronics only and now >>I???m feeling the same thing contemplating a motor eject only flight. >> >>Bob Yanecek >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From raystoner99 at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 11:01:37 2009 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (raystoner99 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question In-Reply-To: <3FFC4C5966E34DA0920B0C095499CFD2@Garylaptop> Message-ID: <289712632.11018971249927297786.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> MSDS for the delay indicates is is the blackjack propellant formula. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Harris" To: melamy at earthlink.net, "Bob & Ann Yanecek" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:53:23 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question when AT went to RDK+ all the delays became the same compound; they are all interchangeable. I heard this from NAR motor tester John Lyngdal who was told that by Gary R of AT. They do produce different times however when used with different propellants. Gary Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Bob & Ann Yanecek" ; Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > RDK-15 has to burn for 16 seconds to give a J350 a long delay (2 second > propellant burn plus 14 seconds delay time to eject), so I would surmise > that the chart is wrong and the RDK-15 is actually slow material. The > RDK-8 only has to burn for 12.5 seconds to give a H97 a medium delay. > > If you used a RDK-15 then the eject should be at motor ignition plus 16 > seconds or around 14.7 seconds (unless I haven't had enough coffee > today...) > > best regards, Steve Thatcher > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Bob & Ann Yanecek >>Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:00 PM >>To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question >> >>I have an AT H180 that I want to incorporate as long of a delay as >>possible. >> >>The instructions call out RDK-03 for short, RDK-05 for medium, and RDK-07 >>for long. >> >>The RDK-07 is listed as 0.656?????? long. >>My question(s): >>The RDK-08 is 0.719?????? long and RDK-3, 5, 7, & 8 are all composed of the >>same delay material. >>Why couldn??????t a person incorporate the RDK-08 into the H180 and get an >>even longer delay than the RDK-07 (other than violating the ??????follow the >>instructions?????? rule for commercial motors)? >>Why does the longer RDK-08 equate to just a medium delay for the H97? >> >>Both RDK-08 and RDK-15 are listed as 0.719?????? in length, standard delay >>material and 0.610?????? O.D. plastic tube material. >>What makes them different? >> >>I so well remember the ??????fear?????? of going to electronics only and now >>I??????m feeling the same thing contemplating a motor eject only flight. >> >>Bob Yanecek >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- MSDS for the delay indicates is is the blackjack propellant formula. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Harris" To: melamy at earthlink.net, "Bob & Ann Yanecek" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:53:23 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question when AT went to RDK+ all the delays became the same compound; they are all interchangeable. ?I heard this from NAR motor tester John Lyngdal who was told that by Gary R of AT. ?They do produce different times however when used with different propellants. Gary Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Bob & Ann Yanecek" ; Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > RDK-15 has to burn for 16 seconds to give a J350 a long delay (2 second > propellant burn plus 14 seconds delay time to eject), so I would surmise > that the chart is wrong and the RDK-15 is actually slow material. The > RDK-8 only has to burn for 12.5 seconds to give a H97 a medium delay. > > If you used a RDK-15 then the eject should be at motor ignition plus 16 > seconds or around 14.7 seconds (unless I haven't had enough coffee > today...) > > best regards, Steve Thatcher > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Bob & Ann Yanecek >>Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:00 PM >>To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question >> >>I have an AT H180 that I want to incorporate as long of a delay as >>possible. >> >>The instructions call out RDK-03 for short, RDK-05 for medium, and RDK-07 >>for long. >> >>The RDK-07 is listed as 0.656?????? long. >>My question(s): >>The RDK-08 is 0.719?????? long and RDK-3, 5, 7, & 8 are all composed of the >>same delay material. >>Why couldn??????t a person incorporate the RDK-08 into the H180 and get an >>even longer delay than the RDK-07 (other than violating the ??????follow the >>instructions?????? rule for commercial motors)? >>Why does the longer RDK-08 equate to just a medium delay for the H97? >> >>Both RDK-08 and RDK-15 are listed as 0.719?????? in length, standard delay >>material and 0.610?????? O.D. plastic tube material. >>What makes them different? >> >>I so well remember the ??????fear?????? of going to electronics only and now >>I??????m feeling the same thing contemplating a motor eject only flight. >> >>Bob Yanecek >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ?? From daron at daronjohnson.com Mon Aug 10 10:40:23 2009 From: daron at daronjohnson.com (Daron Johnson) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:40:23 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [personal] Re: RDK PLUS delay question In-Reply-To: <107519650.11003951249925608534.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <9655539.1249925034371.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <107519650.11003951249925608534.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <004f01ca19e1$a567cde0$f03769a0$@com> The chart you speak of http://www.rocstock.org/wizards.html Listed under Motor Info. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of raystoner99 at comcast.net Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:33 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [personal] Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question Steve's got it right. Aerotech fully supports and encourages the mixing, matching and trimming of the delays, so no rules violation there. They even provide a tool to accurately modify the delay, al la Cessaroni. I just wish they would standardize on a set of delays. Say begin at a 5 second (RDK-5?) and go by 2 second intervals up to the maximum that will fit in the delay well. The designator would be for the burn time of the delay, not the delay time on the motor. Delay would then be calculated as the motor burn time minus the delay burn time. There is a chart somewhere that outlines all the delay times for all kinds of different motors. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: melamy at earthlink.net To: "Bob & Ann Yanecek" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:23:53 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question RDK-15 has to burn for 16 seconds to give a J350 a long delay (2 second propellant burn plus 14 seconds delay time to eject), so I would surmise that the chart is wrong and the RDK-15 is actually slow material. The RDK-8 only has to burn for 12.5 seconds to give a H97 a medium delay. If you used a RDK-15 then the eject should be at motor ignition plus 16 seconds or around 14.7 seconds (unless I haven't had enough coffee today...) best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- >From: Bob & Ann Yanecek >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:00 PM >To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > >I have an AT H180 that I want to incorporate as long of a delay as possible. > >The instructions call out RDK-03 for short, RDK-05 for medium, and RDK-07 for long. > >The RDK-07 is listed as 0.656??? long. >My question(s): >The RDK-08 is 0.719??? long and RDK-3, 5, 7, & 8 are all composed of the same delay material. >Why couldn???t a person incorporate the RDK-08 into the H180 and get an even longer delay than the RDK-07 (other than violating the ???follow the instructions??? rule for commercial motors)? >Why does the longer RDK-08 equate to just a medium delay for the H97? > >Both RDK-08 and RDK-15 are listed as 0.719??? in length, standard delay material and 0.610??? O.D. plastic tube material. >What makes them different? > >I so well remember the ???fear??? of going to electronics only and now I???m feeling the same thing contemplating a motor eject only flight. > >Bob Yanecek > > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From melamy at earthlink.net Mon Aug 10 11:13:04 2009 From: melamy at earthlink.net (melamy at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question Message-ID: <11568468.1249927986401.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> if they are not different materials, then Aerotech would have to rely on the different chamber pressures of propellants to change the burn rate of the delay grain... doesn't sound reasonable or reliable to me. The plus series was created to reduce blowby which caused premature ejection. They added a rubber washer and one o-ring at the bottom instead of two rubber o-rings (I rolled my first reloads back in 1991 with the old style). IMHO it would not have made any sense to change the delay material when that wasn't even the problem they were trying to solve. Of course, the easiest way to find out would be to take a RDK-8 delay grain and a RDK-15 grain and burn them side by side in open air (keep them apart because delay grains spit pretty good). I really would expect the RDK-15 to burn longer. Glad to be proved wrong then I would haven't have to buy so many different RDKs when only 5 or 6 differnet lengths would be necessary. best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Harris >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:53 PM >To: melamy at earthlink.net, Bob & Ann Yanecek , rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > >when AT went to RDK+ all the delays became the same compound; they are all >interchangeable. I heard this from NAR motor tester John Lyngdal who was >told that by Gary R of AT. They do produce different times however when >used with different propellants. > >Gary Harris > From fred.azinger at intel.com Mon Aug 10 11:20:08 2009 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:20:08 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question In-Reply-To: <9655539.1249925034371.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9655539.1249925034371.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: See the table at: http://quarkers.net/attachments/077_davesrdk.pdf No guaranty of quality of the data. I would make the assumption that changing from the validated S, M and L delays for each motor is going outside it's certification range....something I can't endorse. Drilling is now the allowed method, but that won't help you get past the long delay's time. Hope this helps, Best of luck, FredA From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 14:19:12 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Leaving Hobby "garage sale" Message-ID: <259877.19293.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well Folks the time has come to move on. No work in almost two years and the economy being what it is and failing jobs in this area of Oregon has leaded to this. As those that know me, know I take beyond good care of my stuff. Some have even made comments at launches about useing the dish washer to clean cases after a launch. I have everything going. Rockets, motor cases, electronics as well as building suplies and tools. Everything has to go. I've started a list and will be checking on the worth of things in the next few days. I'll post a list when I've done some checking. But untill then if there is something pressing that is needed just email me. I'm not in a possition to mail anything out so I will meet folks or you can come to the Garage?Sale to pick up. And I will do package deals for you coming here to the house in McMinnville. Things needs to move fast?as we have to be leaving Oregon by the end of the month. Bring the wife and I'm sure she can find a deal on other things as well as the whole house is for sale. Well everything in it at least. It's been a fun few years and I'm glad to have met you all and will miss most of you. Most. :o) John Hornsby III? -------------- next part -------------- Well Folks the time has come to move on. No work in almost two years and the economy being what it is and failing jobs in this area of Oregon has leaded to this. As those that know me, know I take beyond good care of my stuff. Some have even made comments at launches about useing the dish washer to clean cases after a launch. I have everything going. Rockets, motor cases, electronics as well as building suplies and tools. Everything has to go. I've started a list and will be checking on the worth of things in the next few days. I'll post a list when I've done some checking. But untill then if there is something pressing that is needed just email me. ? I'm not in a possition to mail anything out so I will meet folks or you can come to the Garage?Sale to pick up. And I will do package deals for you coming here to the house in McMinnville. Things needs to move fast?as we have to be leaving Oregon by the end of the month. Bring the wife and I'm sure she can find a deal on other things as well as the whole house is for sale. Well everything in it at least. ? It's been a fun few years and I'm glad to have met you all and will miss most of you. Most. :o) ? ? John Hornsby III? From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Mon Aug 10 14:30:32 2009 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:30:32 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Paging Dave Proffitt References: <259877.19293.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300230@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Paging Dave Proffitt. I need to consult your vast expertise in things relating to cool paint jobs. Please ping me off list. pmschurke at seattleschools.org Peter Schurke Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School 1819 N 135th St. Seattle, WA 98133 From dennys at carnitech.net Mon Aug 10 14:44:52 2009 From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:44:52 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Chute protection material In-Reply-To: <259877.19293.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <259877.19293.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE200510A3D7E9@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Anyone have a good source for flame resistant ironing board covers (similar) material for making chute protectors, deployment bags, etc.? Thanks Denny From sales at pvconly.com Mon Aug 10 15:23:24 2009 From: sales at pvconly.com (sales at pvconly.com) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Chute protection material In-Reply-To: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE200510A3D7E9@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Message-ID: <932672.32454.qm@web1204.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bi-Mart --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Denny Smith wrote: From: Denny Smith Subject: [RocketsNW] Chute protection material To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 2:44 PM Anyone have a good source for flame resistant ironing board covers (similar) material for making chute protectors, deployment bags, etc.? Thanks Denny? ? ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? -------------- next part -------------- Bi-Mart --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Denny Smith wrote: From: Denny Smith Subject: [RocketsNW] Chute protection material To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 2:44 PM Anyone have a good source for flame resistant ironing board covers (similar) material for making chute protectors, deployment bags, etc.? Thanks Denny? ? ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From stefan_jones at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 16:10:54 2009 From: stefan_jones at comcast.net (stefan_jones at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [RocketsNW] Wilsonville Memorial Park Launch Report - August 9, 2009 In-Reply-To: <706CBEDC0BA646C68963B22348E6FA54@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <1316632284.1717921249945854246.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks to everyone who made these close-in launches possible. I was in a terrible funk last week, and only decided to pop down to Wilsonville late on Sunday morning. Launching seven models was just what I needed. Near-perfect weather, tolerable winds, and a almost non-existent lines. People showed up with launch equipment as suggested . Now I'm even more enthused about Sheridan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Krausert" To: members at oregonrocketry.org, rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 6:13:04 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] Wilsonville Memorial Park Launch Report - August 9, 2009 The August 9th 2009 Wilsonville launch event at Memorial park was successful. BYOGSE worked out well, we had 7 pads and 5 controllers. We'll host the equipment - so no need to bring GSE next time. Thank you to everyone that brought GSE. Began at 2pm with rockets in the air. Most had packed up and had left by a little after 4pm. There were two soccer games happening at the North and East sides of the field. We setup between the two south baseball diamonds. Worked out very well. Only two treed rockets this month. No darts... We had 23 people at the launch, plus a couple spectators. Motor selection this month was on the low-power side. Winds on the ground were mostly calm with occasional winds gusting to ~7-8 mph, with upper currents at times moving faster. Moving all directions. Motor stats: A = 11 B = 12 C = 23 D = 1 Total of 53 flights, with 3 two-stage flights. Most flights by a single flyer is hard to tell. Didn't keep track, but I'm thinking it was Stefan Jones. Joe Bevier would a close match. Other flyers did numerous flights, so very tough to tell. Let's just say, no clue. OregonRocketry is truly proud to support this event and the advancement of model rocketry in our local areas. We need to continue to get city leaders all over the state on board. Our youth need a place to experience rocketry to become hooked. Our next generation of engineers will not come from kids simply building a kit and only getting to stare at it in their bedroom, unused. Trial, error, learning, retrying is where the magic happens. Thank you to all that attended the event. Next event is Sheridan on September 12th and 13th. Adventures in model, sport and amateur rocketry begins here with OregonRocketry. Visit us at oregonrocketry.com. Cheers, Robert Club President _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Thanks to everyone who made these close-in launches possible. I was in a terrible funk last week, and only decided to pop down to Wilsonville late on Sunday morning.? Launching seven models was just what I needed. Near-perfect weather, tolerable winds, and a almost non-existent lines. People showed up with launch equipment as suggested. Now I'm even more enthused about Sheridan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Krausert" To: members at oregonrocketry.org, rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 6:13:04 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] Wilsonville Memorial Park Launch Report - August 9, 2009 The August 9th 2009 Wilsonville launch event at Memorial park was successful. BYOGSE worked out well, we had 7 pads and 5 controllers. We'll host the equipment - so no need to bring GSE next time. Thank you to everyone that brought GSE. Began at 2pm with rockets in the air. Most had packed up and had left by a little after 4pm. There were two soccer games happening at the North and East sides of the field. We setup between the two south baseball diamonds. Worked out very well. Only two treed rockets this month. No darts... We had 23 people at the launch, plus a couple spectators. Motor selection this month was on the low-power side. Winds on the ground were mostly calm with occasional winds gusting to ~7-8 mph, with upper currents at times moving faster. Moving all directions. Motor stats: A = 11 B = 12 C = 23 D = 1 Total of 53 flights, with 3 two-stage flights. Most flights by a single flyer is hard to tell. Didn't keep track, but I'm thinking it was Stefan Jones. Joe Bevier would a close match. Other flyers did numerous flights, so very tough to tell. Let's just say, no clue. OregonRocketry is truly proud to support this event and the advancement of model rocketry in our local areas. We need to continue to get city leaders all over the state on board. Our youth need a place to experience rocketry to become hooked. Our next generation of engineers will not come from kids simply building a kit and only getting to stare at it in their bedroom, unused. Trial, error, learning, retrying is where the magic happens. Thank you to all that attended the event. Next event is Sheridan on September 12th and 13th. Adventures in model, sport and amateur rocketry begins here with OregonRocketry. Visit us at oregonrocketry.com. Cheers, Robert Club President _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From dmrandall at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 17:05:31 2009 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:05:31 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Chute protection material In-Reply-To: <932672.32454.qm@web1204.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE200510A3D7E9@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> <932672.32454.qm@web1204.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bc920e40908101705o79a0cccew669aad7e738e9f4a@mail.gmail.com> I found the blue "sparkly" ones at Target. Probably $8, IIRC. Dave On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:23 PM, wrote: > Bi-Mart > --- On > Mon, 8/10/09, Denny Smith > > wrote: > From: Denny Smith > Subject: [RocketsNW] Chute protection material > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 2:44 PM > Anyone have a good source for flame resistant ironing board covers > (similar) material for making chute protectors, deployment bags, etc.? > Thanks > Denny > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From appusher at q.com Mon Aug 10 17:22:11 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:22:11 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question In-Reply-To: <107519650.11003951249925608534.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <9655539.1249925034371.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <107519650.11003951249925608534.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Ray, I consider another possible solution with the delays. Why wouldn't Aerotech just put a long delay in the reload kits and let everyone drill them out to what ever they want. CTI does it and no one gives it a second thought. Seems it would be a a more profitable way to address the delay issue than all that inventory and handling. Bill at psp EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:33:28 +0000 > From: raystoner99 at comcast.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > > Steve's got it right. > > Aerotech fully supports and encourages the mixing, matching and trimming of the delays, so no rules violation there. They even provide a tool to accurately modify the delay, al la Cessaroni. > > I just wish they would standardize on a set of delays. Say begin at a 5 second (RDK-5?) and go by 2 second intervals up to the maximum that will fit in the delay well. The designator would be for the burn time of the delay, not the delay time on the motor. Delay would then be calculated as the motor burn time minus the delay burn time. > > There is a chart somewhere that outlines all the delay times for all kinds of different motors. > > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: melamy at earthlink.net > To: "Bob & Ann Yanecek" , rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:23:53 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > > RDK-15 has to burn for 16 seconds to give a J350 a long delay (2 second propellant burn plus 14 seconds delay time to eject), so I would surmise that the chart is wrong and the RDK-15 is actually slow material. The RDK-8 only has to burn for 12.5 seconds to give a H97 a medium delay. > > If you used a RDK-15 then the eject should be at motor ignition plus 16 seconds or around 14.7 seconds (unless I haven't had enough coffee today...) > > best regards, Steve Thatcher > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Bob & Ann Yanecek > >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:00 PM > >To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > >Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > > > >I have an AT H180 that I want to incorporate as long of a delay as possible. > > > >The instructions call out RDK-03 for short, RDK-05 for medium, and RDK-07 for long. > > > >The RDK-07 is listed as 0.656??? long. > >My question(s): > >The RDK-08 is 0.719??? long and RDK-3, 5, 7, & 8 are all composed of the same delay material. > >Why couldn???t a person incorporate the RDK-08 into the H180 and get an even longer delay than the RDK-07 (other than violating the ???follow the instructions??? rule for commercial motors)? > >Why does the longer RDK-08 equate to just a medium delay for the H97? > > > >Both RDK-08 and RDK-15 are listed as 0.719??? in length, standard delay material and 0.610??? O.D. plastic tube material. > >What makes them different? > > > >I so well remember the ???fear??? of going to electronics only and now I???m feeling the same thing contemplating a motor eject only flight. > > > >Bob Yanecek > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Ray, ? I consider another possible solution with the delays. Why wouldn't Aerotech just put a long delay in the reload kits and let everyone drill them out to what ever they want.? CTI does it and no one gives it? a second thought. ? Seems it would be a a more profitable way to address the delay issue than all that inventory and handling. ? mailto:Bill at psp Bill at psp http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ? > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:33:28 +0000 > From: raystoner99 at comcast.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > > Steve's got it right. > > Aerotech fully supports and encourages the mixing, matching and trimming of the delays, so no rules violation there. They even provide a tool to accurately modify the delay, al la Cessaroni. > > I just wish they would standardize on a set of delays. Say begin at a 5 second (RDK-5?) and go by 2 second intervals up to the maximum that will fit in the delay well. The designator would be for the burn time of the delay, not the delay time on the motor. Delay would then be calculated as the motor burn time minus the delay burn time. > > There is a chart somewhere that outlines all the delay times for all kinds of different motors. > > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: melamy at earthlink.net > To: "Bob & Ann Yanecek" , rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:23:53 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > > RDK-15 has to burn for 16 seconds to give a J350 a long delay (2 second propellant burn plus 14 seconds delay time to eject), so I would surmise that the chart is wrong and the RDK-15 is actually slow material. The RDK-8 only has to burn for 12.5 seconds to give a H97 a medium delay. > > If you used a RDK-15 then the eject should be at motor ignition plus 16 seconds or around 14.7 seconds (unless I haven't had enough coffee today...) > > best regards, Steve Thatcher > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Bob & Ann Yanecek > >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:00 PM > >To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > >Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > > > >I have an AT H180 that I want to incorporate as long of a delay as possible. > > > >The instructions call out RDK-03 for short, RDK-05 for medium, and RDK-07 for long. > > > >The RDK-07 is listed as 0.656??? long. > >My question(s): > >The RDK-08 is 0.719??? long and RDK-3, 5, 7, & 8 are all composed of the same delay material. > >Why couldn???t a person incorporate the RDK-08 into the H180 and get an even longer delay than the RDK-07 (other than violating the ???follow the instructions??? rule for commercial motors)? > >Why does the longer RDK-08 equate to just a medium delay for the H97? > > > >Both RDK-08 and RDK-15 are listed as 0.719??? in length, standard delay material and 0.610??? O.D. plastic tube material. > >What makes them different? > > > >I so well remember the ???fear??? of going to electronics only and now I???m feeling the same thing contemplating a motor eject only flight. > > > >Bob Yanecek > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From robert.krausert at intel.com Mon Aug 10 18:24:28 2009 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:24:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Wilsonville Memorial Park Launch Report - August 9, 2009 In-Reply-To: <1316632284.1717921249945854246.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <706CBEDC0BA646C68963B22348E6FA54@LaptopKrausert> <1316632284.1717921249945854246.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E3F43457A@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Stefan, Glad to read that the "Exposure to Second Hand Rocket Fuel Smoke" treatment was effective. Sounds like very needed. Aspirin will work sometimes. Kicking the cat will work, but again only sometimes. Couple shots of JD seems to work, but then you need the aspirin. Second hand rocket fuel smoke treatment works everytime. Glad the reset helped. See you at Sheridan... Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of stefan_jones at comcast.net Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:11 PM To: Robert Krausert Cc: rockets Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Wilsonville Memorial Park Launch Report - August 9, 2009 Thanks to everyone who made these close-in launches possible. I was in a terrible funk last week, and only decided to pop down to Wilsonville late on Sunday morning. Launching seven models was just what I needed. Near-perfect weather, tolerable winds, and a almost non-existent lines. People showed up with launch equipment as suggested . Now I'm even more enthused about Sheridan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Krausert" To: members at oregonrocketry.org, rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 6:13:04 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] Wilsonville Memorial Park Launch Report - August 9, 2009 The August 9th 2009 Wilsonville launch event at Memorial park was successful. BYOGSE worked out well, we had 7 pads and 5 controllers. We'll host the equipment - so no need to bring GSE next time. Thank you to everyone that brought GSE. Began at 2pm with rockets in the air. Most had packed up and had left by a little after 4pm. There were two soccer games happening at the North and East sides of the field. We setup between the two south baseball diamonds. Worked out very well. Only two treed rockets this month. No darts... We had 23 people at the launch, plus a couple spectators. Motor selection this month was on the low-power side. Winds on the ground were mostly calm with occasional winds gusting to ~7-8 mph, with upper currents at times moving faster. Moving all directions. Motor stats: A = 11 B = 12 C = 23 D = 1 Total of 53 flights, with 3 two-stage flights. Most flights by a single flyer is hard to tell. Didn't keep track, but I'm thinking it was Stefan Jones. Joe Bevier would a close match. Other flyers did numerous flights, so very tough to tell. Let's just say, no clue. OregonRocketry is truly proud to support this event and the advancement of model rocketry in our local areas. We need to continue to get city leaders all over the state on board. Our youth need a place to experience rocketry to become hooked. Our next generation of engineers will not come from kids simply building a kit and only getting to stare at it in their bedroom, unused. Trial, error, learning, retrying is where the magic happens. Thank you to all that attended the event. Next event is Sheridan on September 12th and 13th. Adventures in model, sport and amateur rocketry begins here with OregonRocketry. Visit us at oregonrocketry.com. Cheers, Robert Club President _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From sb at berfield.com Mon Aug 10 20:45:19 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:45:19 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Chute protection material In-Reply-To: <932672.32454.qm@web1204.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE200510A3D7E9@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> <932672.32454.qm@web1204.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009801ca1a36$264b84c0$72e28e40$@com> I like the blue silicon-coated board covers from Joannes. The metalized ones seem to burn through faster. You can get the metalized(?) fabric by the yard at most fabric stores. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of sales at pvconly.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:23 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; Denny Smith Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Chute protection material Bi-Mart --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Denny Smith wrote: From: Denny Smith Subject: [RocketsNW] Chute protection material To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 2:44 PM Anyone have a good source for flame resistant ironing board covers (similar) material for making chute protectors, deployment bags, etc.? Thanks Denny? ? ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 20:53:24 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Leaving Hobby "garage sale" In-Reply-To: <259877.19293.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <259877.19293.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <477900.68861.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ? Well here is a listing of most of the stuff I have that needs a new home. I have tried to be as fair as possible in the pricing as I can. All I ask is that before you go and bash or flame me come and look at what is offered before hand. And remember I'm trying to care for my family so giving up my hobby to do so. And of course the prices are "or best offer". Again I can not ship. I'm not in a position to mess with it. There is more that is not listed and I will add when found. Thanks all this has been an adventure. Aerotech rockets built ? AstroBee D modified motor tube so longer motors can be used?? $60 ? Arreaux Built stock using epoxy? $25 PML built ? Callisto stock with a Binder Design motor retainer? $25 ? Tiny Pterodactyl needs aft centering ring? $15 Madcow rocketry ? Mozzie? Built stock and a Binder Design retainer?Never flown ?$40 US Rockets ? Warp 1.5 Built with Binder Retainer $25 ? Sonic 3100 New in box, complete $60 ? Fire and Forget New in package? $20 Binder Design ? Aspire flown many times very seasoned With retainer? $25 ? Excel Jr Flown 3x with retainer $40 ? Devastator two stage New never flown booster and sustainer. Awsome interstage coupler out of polished aluminum. $285 Loc-P ? Aura? ?flown once with Binder retainer? $25 ? Weasel? Flown once with Binder retainer? $35 Now for the small stuff, TLP ? Standard ARM kit in bag $30 Edmonds ? Ecee in bag $10 Art Applewhite saucers ? 6" Delta (18mm) in bag $10 ? 38mm standard saucer built? $20 Estes rockets built; ? Stormcaster, plywood fins through the wall. $5 ? Big Daddy stock $10 ? AstroCam old with film $10 ? AstroBeam Night launch rocket working with batteries $10 Estes kits not built ? Exoskell $10 ? Star Wars R2D2 $? ? Star Wars X wing glider $? ? Klingon Battle Cruiser $? ? USS Enterprise $? ? Outlander $15 ? Mosquito 70's$5 Scratch Built ? 29mm Saucer fiberglassed with carbon fiber cross Never flown $25 ? 38mm 13" saucer Fiberglass with carbon fiber cross and internal struts Never flown $45 ??? Molds, wax and PVA for above $50 ? 38mm Dart flown 3x to just under the pesky 10k. Glassed tubes with custome retainer by Binder. Sport fin can included (ACME fincan on the same tubes) MAWD sled and kevlar recovery harness.? $100 ? Upscale Anubis 100+ upscale in 3 fin design. 54mm mount zpperless design and hybrid ready. Binder retainer. 4" by 68" long. flown?two times. $200 Electronics ?G-Wiz LC Deluxe 800 $120 ?PerfectFlite MAWD with cable and software $100 Motor cases, 29mm 1 hobby line set (18, 24, 29)??$125 1 24mm? $35 1 29mm? $45 US rockets 29/120 case?$10 AT 60/100 set $60 Dr Rocket 29/180 case $20 DR 29/240 Mill Ed motor $65 Large aft closure $20 Seal disks $5 38mm Dr Rocket set 240,360,480,600,720,1080 The 720 case is a mill ed case. 1 plugged closure 5 seal disks and all in a case $480 Pro38 2G $20 5G $40 Pro DAT Tool $15 Loki 38-480 motor $60 38-720 motor?$70 pluged closure Nozzle $20 Purple woodie cases with liner and casting tubes 1)8.25 and 1) 14.25 two nozzles and pluged closure $60 all 54mm Dr Rocket 852-1706 set (852,1280,1706 cases one aft closuure one forward closure) 1?new seal disk $200 Hypertek j/k 835 tank with 4 reloads $200 Other stuff Kitchenaid mixer very little use and needs beaters 5+qt? $100 80/20 1010 rail 6' with adapter?$15 Stainless .25 rod? $5 I also have swivels and chutes. All your favs. I wil make someone a good deal on the lot of chutes. Snap ring plyers 2 sets $15 for both Plus I have other stuff like tubes and such that I wil just give if asked.? ________________________________ From: John Hornsby To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:19:12 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Leaving Hobby "garage sale" Well Folks the time has come to move on. No work in almost two years and the economy being what it is and failing jobs in this area of Oregon has leaded to this. As those that know me, know I take beyond good care of my stuff. Some have even made comments at launches about useing the dish washer to clean cases after a launch. I have everything going. Rockets, motor cases, electronics as well as building suplies and tools. Everything has to go. I've started a list and will be checking on the worth of things in the next few days. I'll post a list when I've done some checking. But untill then if there is something pressing that is needed just email me. ? I'm not in a possition to mail anything out so I will meet folks or you can come to the Garage?Sale to pick up. And I will do package deals for you coming here to the house in McMinnville. Things needs to move fast?as we have to be leaving Oregon by the end of the month. Bring the wife and I'm sure she can find a deal on other things as well as the whole house is for sale. Well everything in it at least. ? It's been a fun few years and I'm glad to have met you all and will miss most of you. Most. :o) ? ? John Hornsby III? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- ? Well here is a listing of most of the stuff I have that needs a new home. I have tried to be as fair as possible in the pricing as I can. All I ask is that before you go and bash or flame me come and look at what is offered before hand. And remember I'm trying to care for my family so giving up my hobby to do so. And of course the prices are "or best offer". Again I can not ship. I'm not in a position to mess with it. There is more that is not listed and I will add when found. Thanks all this has been an adventure. ? ? Aerotech rockets built ? AstroBee D modified motor tube so longer motors can be used?? $60 ? Arreaux Built stock using epoxy? $25 PML built ? Callisto stock with a Binder Design motor retainer? $25 ? Tiny Pterodactyl needs aft centering ring? $15 Madcow rocketry ? Mozzie? Built stock and a Binder Design retainer?Never flown ?$40 US Rockets ? Warp 1.5 Built with Binder Retainer $25 ? Sonic 3100 New in box, complete $60 ? Fire and Forget New in package? $20 Binder Design ? Aspire flown many times very seasoned With retainer? $25 ? Excel Jr Flown 3x with retainer $40 ? Devastator two stage New never flown booster and sustainer. Awsome interstage coupler out of polished aluminum. $285 Loc-P ? Aura? ?flown once with Binder retainer? $25 ? Weasel? Flown once with Binder retainer? $35 ? Now for the small stuff, TLP ? Standard ARM kit in bag $30 Edmonds ? Ecee in bag $10 Art Applewhite saucers ? 6" Delta (18mm) in bag $10 ? 38mm standard saucer built? $20 Estes rockets built; ? Stormcaster, plywood fins through the wall. $5 ? Big Daddy stock $10 ? AstroCam old with film $10 ? AstroBeam Night launch rocket working with batteries $10 Estes kits not built ? Exoskell $10 ? Star Wars R2D2 $? ? Star Wars X wing glider $? ? Klingon Battle Cruiser $? ? USS Enterprise $? ? Outlander $15 ? Mosquito 70's$5 ? ? Scratch Built ? ? 29mm Saucer fiberglassed with carbon fiber cross Never flown $25 ? 38mm 13" saucer Fiberglass with carbon fiber cross and internal struts Never flown $45 ??? Molds, wax and PVA for above $50 ? ? 38mm Dart flown 3x to just under the pesky 10k. Glassed tubes with custome retainer by Binder. Sport fin can included (ACME fincan on the same tubes) MAWD sled and kevlar recovery harness.? $100 ? ? Upscale Anubis 100+ upscale in 3 fin design. 54mm mount zpperless design and hybrid ready. Binder retainer. 4" by 68" long. flown?two times. $200 ? Electronics ?G-Wiz LC Deluxe 800 $120 ?PerfectFlite MAWD with cable and software $100 ? Motor cases, ? 29mm ? 1 hobby line set (18, 24, 29)??$125 1 24mm? $35 1 29mm? $45 US rockets 29/120 case?$10 AT 60/100 set $60 Dr Rocket 29/180 case $20 DR 29/240 Mill Ed motor $65 Large aft closure $20 Seal disks $5 ? 38mm ? Dr Rocket set 240,360,480,600,720,1080 The 720 case is a mill ed case. 1 plugged closure 5 seal disks and all in a case $480 ? Pro38 2G $20 5G $40 Pro DAT Tool $15 ? Loki 38-480 motor $60 38-720 motor?$70 pluged closure Nozzle $20 ? Purple woodie cases with liner and casting tubes 1)8.25 and 1) 14.25 two nozzles and pluged closure $60 all ? 54mm ? ? ? Dr Rocket 852-1706 set (852,1280,1706 cases one aft closuure one forward closure) 1?new seal disk $200 ? Hypertek j/k 835 tank with 4 reloads $200 ? Other stuff ? Kitchenaid mixer very little use and needs beaters 5+qt? $100 80/20 1010 rail 6' with adapter?$15 Stainless .25 rod? $5 I also have swivels and chutes. All your favs. I wil make someone a good deal on the lot of chutes. Snap ring plyers 2 sets $15 for both ? Plus I have other stuff like tubes and such that I wil just give if asked.? ? From: John Hornsby To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:19:12 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Leaving Hobby "garage sale" Well Folks the time has come to move on. No work in almost two years and the economy being what it is and failing jobs in this area of Oregon has leaded to this. As those that know me, know I take beyond good care of my stuff. Some have even made comments at launches about useing the dish washer to clean cases after a launch. I have everything going. Rockets, motor cases, electronics as well as building suplies and tools. Everything has to go. I've started a list and will be checking on the worth of things in the next few days. I'll post a list when I've done some checking. But untill then if there is something pressing that is needed just email me. ? I'm not in a possition to mail anything out so I will meet folks or you can come to the Garage?Sale to pick up. And I will do package deals for you coming here to the house in McMinnville. Things needs to move fast?as we have to be leaving Oregon by the end of the month. Bring the wife and I'm sure she can find a deal on other things as well as the whole house is for sale. Well everything in it at least. ? It's been a fun few years and I'm glad to have met you all and will miss most of you. Most. :o) ? ? John Hornsby III? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 20:55:52 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:55:52 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Trust Question Message-ID: <7FDF3CB0F57C4E6E99959E8227F8D0E6@LaptopKrausert> I recently had my modfied Ariel lose it on a K250. At 4.7 seconds the velocity was 1128/fps and shreaded. RocSim never put the rocket breaking mach, but it did. The 72 inch rocket came down in three main pieces. At which point, I decided the Blacksky altimeter in the rocket had been through enough and to not trust it for high power deployment. All groung testing works fine. Tested a model flight this evening, and it worked fine to deploy main and drouge. Cannot find any issues. My question. I'm on the fense for safety. Should I keep this unit to read only data or do you think I trust it for real dual deploy again? Fairly certain most will agree to not use it for deployment. Just asking. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- I recently had my modfied Ariel lose it on a K250. At 4.7 seconds the velocity was 1128/fps and shreaded. RocSim never put the rocket breaking mach, but it did. The 72 inch rocket came down in three main pieces. ? At which point, I decided the Blacksky altimeter in the rocket had been through enough and to not trust it for high power deployment. All groung testing works fine. Tested a model flight this evening, and it worked fine to deploy main and drouge. Cannot find any issues. ? My question. I'm on the fense for safety. Should I keep this unit to read only data or do you think?I trust it for real dual deploy again? Fairly certain most will agree to not use it for deployment. Just asking. ? Cheers, Robert From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Aug 10 21:10:03 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:10:03 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Trust Question Message-ID: If it tests fine, I'd have no problem flying it for dual deployment. Just the first time fly it in a rocket you hate. :) Mike F. In a message dated 8/10/2009 8:56:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: My question. I'm on the fense for safety. Should I keep this unit to read only data or do you think I trust it for real dual deploy again? Fairly certain most will agree to not use it for deployment. Just asking. Cheers, Robert= -------------- next part -------------- If it tests fine, I'd have no problem flying it for dual deployment.? Just the first time fly it in a rocket you hate. :) ? Mike F. ? In a message dated 8/10/2009 8:56:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: My question. I'm on the fense for safety. Should I keep this unit to read only data or do you think I trust it for real dual deploy again? Fairly certain most will agree to not use it for deployment. Just asking. Cheers, Robert= From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 21:14:49 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Trust Question In-Reply-To: <7FDF3CB0F57C4E6E99959E8227F8D0E6@LaptopKrausert> References: <7FDF3CB0F57C4E6E99959E8227F8D0E6@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <968603.68899.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'd fly it with another one and use it for back up and compare the two. If it checks out the fly it. Or send it back to be tested. Oh Black sky. Test it with a back up and see. They are only rockets. You can build another. :o) John Hornsby ________________________________ From: Robert Krausert To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:55:52 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Trust Question I recently had my modfied Ariel lose it on a K250. At 4.7 seconds the velocity was 1128/fps and shreaded. RocSim never put the rocket breaking mach, but it did. The 72 inch rocket came down in three main pieces. ? At which point, I decided the Blacksky altimeter in the rocket had been through enough and to not trust it for high power deployment. All groung testing works fine. Tested a model flight this evening, and it worked fine to deploy main and drouge. Cannot find any issues. ? My question. I'm on the fense for safety. Should I keep this unit to read only data or do you think?I trust it for real dual deploy again? Fairly certain most will agree to not use it for deployment. Just asking. ? Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- I'd fly it with another one and use it for back up and compare the two. If it checks out the fly it. Or send it back to be tested. Oh Black sky. Test it with a back up and see. They are only rockets. You can build another. :o) ? ? John Hornsby From: Robert Krausert To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:55:52 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Trust Question I recently had my modfied Ariel lose it on a K250. At 4.7 seconds the velocity was 1128/fps and shreaded. RocSim never put the rocket breaking mach, but it did. The 72 inch rocket came down in three main pieces. ? At which point, I decided the Blacksky altimeter in the rocket had been through enough and to not trust it for high power deployment. All groung testing works fine. Tested a model flight this evening, and it worked fine to deploy main and drouge. Cannot find any issues. ? My question. I'm on the fense for safety. Should I keep this unit to read only data or do you think?I trust it for real dual deploy again? Fairly certain most will agree to not use it for deployment. Just asking. ? Cheers, Robert From keithp at keithp.com Mon Aug 10 21:26:28 2009 From: keithp at keithp.com (Keith Packard) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:26:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Trust Question In-Reply-To: <7FDF3CB0F57C4E6E99959E8227F8D0E6@LaptopKrausert> References: <7FDF3CB0F57C4E6E99959E8227F8D0E6@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <1249964788.5174.41.camel@aiko.keithp.com> On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 20:55 -0700, Robert Krausert wrote: > > My question. I'm on the fense for safety. Should I keep this unit to > read only data or do you think I trust it for real dual deploy again? > Fairly certain most will agree to not use it for deployment. Just > asking. Any mems devices in it will have suffered something from the adventure it experienced -- I've got a pressure altimeter which no longer reports accurate altitude after a shovel recovery. One wonders if a less severe event could have weakened one enough to cause it to fail at some future date? I know I'd be concerned about mechanical devices which have seen forces beyond their rating. -- keith.packard at intel.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20090810/4579c1d4/attachment.pgp From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 21:44:18 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:44:18 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Trust Question References: <7FDF3CB0F57C4E6E99959E8227F8D0E6@LaptopKrausert> <1249964788.5174.41.camel@aiko.keithp.com> Message-ID: <4C2D7A11C6C54902936539C610925576@LaptopKrausert> Thanks all. Read only. May send up as a back up, but not alone. Thanks again. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Packard" To: "Robert Krausert" Cc: ; Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trust Question From bjarchow at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 21:20:08 2009 From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:20:08 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Trust Question In-Reply-To: <7FDF3CB0F57C4E6E99959E8227F8D0E6@LaptopKrausert> References: <7FDF3CB0F57C4E6E99959E8227F8D0E6@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: I am not the most experienced person here, but I don't trust a computer until it has proven itself. I test in a rocket set up for single deployment, with a motor ejection charge that should go a few seconds past apogee. I set up the main deployment charge and put it in a small baggie with a bunch of talcum powder. If the main deploys at apogee, the computer did its first steps properly. If the main comes out late, it was the motor ejection and the computer needs to go back. And if I see a big white puff at low altitude, I know the computer did its last important job properly. Brian On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Robert Krausert wrote: > I recently had my modfied Ariel lose it on a K250. At 4.7 seconds the > velocity was 1128/fps and shreaded. RocSim never put the rocket breaking > mach, but it did. The 72 inch rocket came down in three main pieces. > > At which point, I decided the Blacksky altimeter in the rocket had been > through enough and to not trust it for high power deployment. All groung > testing works fine. Tested a model flight this evening, and it worked fine > to deploy main and drouge. Cannot find any issues. > > My question. I'm on the fense for safety. Should I keep this unit to read > only data or do you think I trust it for real dual deploy again? Fairly > certain most will agree to not use it for deployment. Just asking. > > Cheers, > Robert > -------------- next part -------------- If the main deploys at apogee, the computer did its first steps properly. If the main comes out late, it was the motor ejection and the computer needs to go back. And if I see a big white puff at low altitude, I know the computer did its last important job properly. Brian On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Robert Krausert < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com > wrote: I recently had my modfied Ariel lose it on a K250. At 4.7 seconds the velocity was 1128/fps and shreaded. RocSim never put the rocket breaking mach, but it did. The 72 inch rocket came down in three main pieces. ? At which point, I decided the Blacksky altimeter in the rocket had been through enough and to not trust it for high power deployment. All groung testing works fine. Tested a model flight this evening, and it worked fine to deploy main and drouge. Cannot find any issues. ? My question. I'm on the fense for safety. Should I keep this unit to read only data or do you think?I trust it for real dual deploy again? Fairly certain most will agree to not use it for deployment. Just asking. ? Cheers, Robert From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 21:58:03 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Leaving Hobby "garage sale" In-Reply-To: <477900.68861.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <259877.19293.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <477900.68861.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <793036.72011.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Modified list.? ? Aerotech rockets built ? AstroBee D modified motor tube so longer motors can be used?? $60 ? Arreaux Built stock using epoxy? $25 Madcow rocketry ? Mozzie? Built stock and a Binder Design retainer?Never flown ?$40 US Rockets ? Warp 1.5 Built with Binder Retainer $25 ? Sonic 3100 New in box, complete $60 ? Fire and Forget New in package? $20 Binder Design ? Devastator two stage New never flown booster and sustainer. Awsome interstage coupler out of polished aluminum. $285 Loc-P ? Aura? ?flown once with Binder retainer? $25 ? Weasel? Flown once with Binder retainer? $35 ? Now for the small stuff, TLP ? Standard ARM kit in bag $30 Edmonds ? Ecee in bag $10 Art Applewhite saucers ? 6" Delta (18mm) in bag $10 ? 38mm standard saucer built? $20 Estes rockets built; ? Stormcaster, plywood fins through the wall. $5 ? Big Daddy stock $10 ? AstroCam old with film $10 ? AstroBeam Night launch rocket working with batteries $10 Estes kits not built ? Exoskell $10 ? Star Wars R2D2 $? ? Star Wars X wing glider $? ? Klingon Battle Cruiser $? ? USS Enterprise $? ? Outlander $15 ? ? Scratch Built ? ? 29mm Saucer fiberglassed with carbon fiber cross Never flown $25 ? 38mm 13" saucer Fiberglass with carbon fiber cross and internal struts Never flown $45 ??? Molds, wax and PVA for above $50 ? ? 38mm Dart flown 3x to just under the pesky 10k. Glassed tubes with custome retainer by Binder. Sport fin can included (ACME fincan on the same tubes) MAWD sled and kevlar recovery harness.? $100 ? ? Upscale Anubis 100+ upscale in 3 fin design. 54mm mount zpperless design and hybrid ready. Binder retainer. 4" by 68" long. flown?two times. $200 ? Electronics ?G-Wiz LC Deluxe 800 $120 ?PerfectFlite MAWD with cable and software $100 ? Motor cases, ? 29mm ? 1 hobby line set (18, 24, 29)??$125 1 24mm? $35 1 29mm? $45 US rockets 29/120 case?$10 AT 60/100 set $60 Dr Rocket 29/180 case $20 DR 29/240 Mill Ed motor $65 Large aft closure $20 Seal disks $5 ? 38mm ? Dr Rocket set 240,360,480,600,720,1080 The 720 case is a mill ed case. 1 plugged closure 5 seal disks and all in a case $480 ? Pro38 2G $20 5G $40 Pro DAT Tool $15 ? Loki 38-480 motor $60 38-720 motor?$70 pluged closure Nozzle $20 ? Purple woodie cases with liner and casting tubes 1)8.25 and 1) 14.25 two nozzles and pluged closure $60 all ? 54mm ? ? ? Dr Rocket 852-1706 set (852,1280,1706 cases one aft closuure one forward closure) 1?new seal disk $200 ? Hypertek j/k 835 tank with 4 reloads $200 ? Other stuff ? Kitchenaid mixer very little use and needs beaters 5+qt? $100 80/20 1010 rail 6' with adapter?$15 Stainless .25 rod? $5 ? Plus I have other stuff like tubes and such that I wil just give if asked.? ? Thanks again, John Hornsby III -------------- next part -------------- Modified list. ? ? Aerotech rockets built ? AstroBee D modified motor tube so longer motors can be used?? $60 ? Arreaux Built stock using epoxy? $25 Madcow rocketry ? Mozzie? Built stock and a Binder Design retainer?Never flown ?$40 US Rockets ? Warp 1.5 Built with Binder Retainer $25 ? Sonic 3100 New in box, complete $60 ? Fire and Forget New in package? $20 Binder Design ? Devastator two stage New never flown booster and sustainer. Awsome interstage coupler out of polished aluminum. $285 Loc-P ? Aura? ?flown once with Binder retainer? $25 ? Weasel? Flown once with Binder retainer? $35 ? Now for the small stuff, TLP ? Standard ARM kit in bag $30 Edmonds ? Ecee in bag $10 Art Applewhite saucers ? 6" Delta (18mm) in bag $10 ? 38mm standard saucer built? $20 Estes rockets built; ? Stormcaster, plywood fins through the wall. $5 ? Big Daddy stock $10 ? AstroCam old with film $10 ? AstroBeam Night launch rocket working with batteries $10 Estes kits not built ? Exoskell $10 ? Star Wars R2D2 $? ? Star Wars X wing glider $? ? Klingon Battle Cruiser $? ? USS Enterprise $? ? Outlander $15 ? ? Scratch Built ? ? 29mm Saucer fiberglassed with carbon fiber cross Never flown $25 ? 38mm 13" saucer Fiberglass with carbon fiber cross and internal struts Never flown $45 ??? Molds, wax and PVA for above $50 ? ? 38mm Dart flown 3x to just under the pesky 10k. Glassed tubes with custome retainer by Binder. Sport fin can included (ACME fincan on the same tubes) MAWD sled and kevlar recovery harness.? $100 ? ? Upscale Anubis 100+ upscale in 3 fin design. 54mm mount zpperless design and hybrid ready. Binder retainer. 4" by 68" long. flown?two times. $200 ? Electronics ?G-Wiz LC Deluxe 800 $120 ?PerfectFlite MAWD with cable and software $100 ? Motor cases, ? 29mm ? 1 hobby line set (18, 24, 29)??$125 1 24mm? $35 1 29mm? $45 US rockets 29/120 case?$10 AT 60/100 set $60 Dr Rocket 29/180 case $20 DR 29/240 Mill Ed motor $65 Large aft closure $20 Seal disks $5 ? 38mm ? Dr Rocket set 240,360,480,600,720,1080 The 720 case is a mill ed case. 1 plugged closure 5 seal disks and all in a case $480 ? Pro38 2G $20 5G $40 Pro DAT Tool $15 ? Loki 38-480 motor $60 38-720 motor?$70 pluged closure Nozzle $20 ? Purple woodie cases with liner and casting tubes 1)8.25 and 1) 14.25 two nozzles and pluged closure $60 all ? 54mm ? ? ? Dr Rocket 852-1706 set (852,1280,1706 cases one aft closuure one forward closure) 1?new seal disk $200 ? Hypertek j/k 835 tank with 4 reloads $200 ? Other stuff ? Kitchenaid mixer very little use and needs beaters 5+qt? $100 80/20 1010 rail 6' with adapter?$15 Stainless .25 rod? $5 ? Plus I have other stuff like tubes and such that I wil just give if asked.? ? Thanks again, ? John Hornsby III From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Mon Aug 10 22:24:54 2009 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (steve-c at ix.netcom.com) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:24:54 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [RocketsNW] Trust Question Message-ID: <8588541.1249968295013.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ah, first see if your accelerometer is working - you probably can monitor it realtime on your PC or record a pull wire event - turn it upside down and read the +1G to -1G or vise-versa response - if the decimal values bounce a little (not sure what your app displays) then you're seeing noise and that's better confirmation that all is good - pop the main at apogee and don't trust the main event until playback. /Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Krausert >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 9:44 PM >To: Keith Packard >Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trust Question > >Thanks all. Read only. May send up as a back up, but not alone. Thanks >again. > >Cheers, >Robert >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Keith Packard" >To: "Robert Krausert" >Cc: ; >Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:26 PM >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Trust Question > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockets mailing list >Rockets at rocketsnw.com >http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From fred at azinger.com Mon Aug 10 22:45:33 2009 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:45:33 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] What a forecast.....Nice for Desert EX launch Message-ID: <000001ca1a46$f1fe2cc0$d5fa8640$@com> Looks like a mild weekend in the sage. Hope the clouds don't obscure the meteor viewing. I've been asked to be the "waiver guy" for this launch. I intend to arrive Thursday night....but work has been crazy and you never know..... I'd like to hear from anybody planning to fly FRIDAY -- and if you plan to fly prior to noon. Just in case I get hung up leaving Portland and can't hit the road until Friday morning. Drop me a note off list. Thanks, FredA Thursday Hi: 81? Lo: 43? Partly Cloudy Friday Hi: 81? Lo: 43? Partly Cloudy Saturday Hi: 81? Lo: 43? Partly Cloudy Sunday Hi: 81? Lo: 47? Partly Cloudy -------------- next part -------------- Looks like a mild weekend in the sage. Hope the clouds don't obscure the meteor viewing. ? I've been asked to be the "waiver guy" for this launch. I intend to arrive Thursday night....but work has been crazy and you never know..... I'd like to hear from anybody planning to fly FRIDAY -- and if you plan to fly prior to noon. Just in case I get hung up leaving Portland and can't hit the road until Friday morning. ? Drop me a note off list. Thanks, FredA ? ? ? ? Thursday Hi: 81? Lo: 43? Partly Cloudy ? Friday Hi: 81? Lo: 43? Partly Cloudy ? Saturday Hi: 81? Lo: 43? Partly Cloudy ? Sunday Hi: 81? Lo: 47? Partly Cloudy ? From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 23:23:47 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Leaving Hobby "garage sale" In-Reply-To: <793036.72011.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <259877.19293.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <477900.68861.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <793036.72011.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <687486.96230.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Modified list. ? Binder Design ? Devastator two stage New never flown booster and sustainer. Awsome interstage coupler out of polished aluminum. $285 Loc-P ? Aura? ?flown once with Binder retainer? $25 ? Weasel? Flown once with Binder retainer? $35 ? Now for the small stuff, TLP ? Standard ARM kit in bag $30 Edmonds ? Ecee in bag $10 Art Applewhite saucers ? 6" Delta (18mm) in bag $10 ? 38mm standard saucer built? $20 Estes rockets built; ? Stormcaster, plywood fins through the wall. $5 ? Big Daddy stock $10 ? AstroCam old with film $10 ? AstroBeam Night launch rocket working with batteries $10 Estes kits not built ? Exoskell $10 ? Star Wars R2D2 $? ? Star Wars X wing glider $? ? Klingon Battle Cruiser $? ? USS Enterprise $? ? Outlander $15 ? ? Scratch Built ? ? 29mm Saucer fiberglassed with carbon fiber cross Never flown $25 ? 38mm 13" saucer Fiberglass with carbon fiber cross and internal struts Never flown $45 ??? Molds, wax and PVA for above $50 ? Other stuff ? Kitchenaid mixer very little use and needs beaters 5+qt? $100 80/20 1010 rail 6' with adapter?$15 Stainless .25 rod? $5 ? Plus I have other stuff like tubes and such that I wil just give if asked.? ? Thanks again, ? John Hornsby III __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- Modified list. ? Binder Design ? Devastator two stage New never flown booster and sustainer. Awsome interstage coupler out of polished aluminum. $285 Loc-P ? Aura? ?flown once with Binder retainer? $25 ? Weasel? Flown once with Binder retainer? $35 ? Now for the small stuff, TLP ? Standard ARM kit in bag $30 Edmonds ? Ecee in bag $10 Art Applewhite saucers ? 6" Delta (18mm) in bag $10 ? 38mm standard saucer built? $20 Estes rockets built; ? Stormcaster, plywood fins through the wall. $5 ? Big Daddy stock $10 ? AstroCam old with film $10 ? AstroBeam Night launch rocket working with batteries $10 Estes kits not built ? Exoskell $10 ? Star Wars R2D2 $? ? Star Wars X wing glider $? ? Klingon Battle Cruiser $? ? USS Enterprise $? ? Outlander $15 ? ? Scratch Built ? ? 29mm Saucer fiberglassed with carbon fiber cross Never flown $25 ? 38mm 13" saucer Fiberglass with carbon fiber cross and internal struts Never flown $45 ??? Molds, wax and PVA for above $50 ? Other stuff ? Kitchenaid mixer very little use and needs beaters 5+qt? $100 80/20 1010 rail 6' with adapter?$15 Stainless .25 rod? $5 ? Plus I have other stuff like tubes and such that I wil just give if asked.? ? Thanks again, ? John Hornsby III __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Aug 11 05:01:17 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:01:17 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] What a forecast.....Nice for Desert EX launch In-Reply-To: <000001ca1a46$f1fe2cc0$d5fa8640$@com> References: <000001ca1a46$f1fe2cc0$d5fa8640$@com> Message-ID: <4A815D8D.9060205@earthlink.net> The Perseid meteor shower should be at its peak in the hours before dawn on the 12th. Unfortunately, this isn't a great year for the Perseids because the Moon is in the sky, and its glare will overpower all but the brightest of the "shooting stars." http://shadowandsubstance.com/ The Perseids are Coming http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/31jul_perseids2009.htm The American Meteor Society http://www.amsmeteors.org/ The International Meteor Organization http://www.imo.net/ Robert Fred Azinger wrote: > Looks like a mild weekend in the sage. > Hope the clouds don't obscure the meteor viewing. > > I've been asked to be the "waiver guy" for this launch. > I intend to arrive Thursday night....but work has been crazy and you never know..... > I'd like to hear from anybody planning to fly FRIDAY -- and if you plan to fly prior to noon. > Just in case I get hung up leaving Portland and can't hit the road until Friday morning. > > Drop me a note off list. > Thanks, > FredA > > > > > Thursday > Hi: 81? > Lo: 43? > Partly Cloudy > > Friday > Hi: 81? > Lo: 43? > Partly Cloudy > > Saturday > Hi: 81? > Lo: 43? > Partly Cloudy > > Sunday > Hi: 81? > Lo: 47? > Partly Cloudy > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From rocfish74 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 05:25:55 2009 From: rocfish74 at hotmail.com (Mark Lyons) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:25:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Chute protection material In-Reply-To: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE200510A3D7E9@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> References: <259877.19293.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE200510A3D7E9@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Message-ID: Denny, Check out a wrecking yard for air bag material. Mark > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:44:52 -0700 > From: dennys at carnitech.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Chute protection material > > Anyone have a good source for flame resistant ironing board covers > (similar) material for making chute protectors, deployment bags, etc.? > > Thanks > Denny > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 -------------- next part -------------- Denny, Check out a wrecking yard for air bag material. ? 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From rocfish74 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 05:54:30 2009 From: rocfish74 at hotmail.com (Mark Lyons) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:54:30 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Pliers Message-ID: Paging Jim Jopson _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 -------------- next part -------------- Paging Jim Jopson Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 Click here. From melamy at earthlink.net Tue Aug 11 06:30:13 2009 From: melamy at earthlink.net (melamy at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:30:13 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question Message-ID: <2544573.1249997413438.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> in one business sense, this would make it more difficult for people to get into the hobby. What Gary has done is to try and create a environment not unlike Estes. He supplies the rockets (Arcas, Arrow, etc) and motors. You want to fly the Arcas then use a G80 motor with a 10 second delay for example. He has taken any guesswork out for those starting out. I remember flying my Arcas back when I first started out and really didn't understand the whole picture. I just used the "motor chart" so I could fly. Now I design them, analyze the heck out of them, and fly them with a pretty good reliability regarding what they are going to do in the air. On the other side of the coin, now I would love to have a standard delay that I could adjust aka Pro38 when I need to use motor eject. This season I think I have flown two flights with motor eject and the rest have all been electronic. What I did to solve the problem was to create a electronic timer module (used PerfectFlite's mini timer) that fits into Giant Leaps SlimShot avionics bay that attaches to the end of 38 and 54mm motors. I can set the time to whatever I want it to be. If anyone is interested, I can upload a photo of it to rocketsnw. The module has flown successfully at least four times from its first test flight at Mansfield in June to Brothers last month in three different rockets. best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Munds >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 5:22 PM >To: ray stoner , rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] RDK PLUS delay question > >Ray, >? >I consider another possible solution with the delays. >Why wouldn't Aerotech just put a long delay in the reload kits and let everyone drill them out to what ever they want.? CTI does it and no one gives it? a second thought. >? >Seems it would be a a more profitable way to address the delay issue than all that inventory and handling. From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Aug 11 06:37:14 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:37:14 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Blast Off With 10 Space-Rocking Astronaut Songs Message-ID: <4A81740A.4080803@earthlink.net> http://www.wired.com/underwire/2009/08/blast-off-with-10-space-rocking-astronaut-songs/ From fred at azinger.com Tue Aug 11 06:50:04 2009 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:50:04 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] What a forecast.....Nice for Desert EX launch In-Reply-To: <4A815D8D.9060205@earthlink.net> References: <000001ca1a46$f1fe2cc0$d5fa8640$@com> <4A815D8D.9060205@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003e01ca1a8a$a1c965a0$e55c30e0$@com> Yep, peak time is not this weekend...but this is not a one-night event. Seems like it's always hard to see the Perseid. Either we have an un-cooperative moon, cloudy skies, or just too much nasty light pollution from Portland. At least we won't have the latter in the sage... This is a cool shower and this year they are predicting twice the number of meteors. Obviously I'm hoping for little clouds all weekend ;-) See ya out there...... FredA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:01 AM To: NW Rocketry mailing list Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] What a forecast.....Nice for Desert EX launch The Perseid meteor shower should be at its peak in the hours before dawn on the 12th. Unfortunately, this isn't a great year for the Perseids because the Moon is in the sky, and its glare will overpower all but the brightest of the "shooting stars." http://shadowandsubstance.com/ The Perseids are Coming http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/31jul_perseids2009.htm The American Meteor Society http://www.amsmeteors.org/ The International Meteor Organization http://www.imo.net/ Robert Fred Azinger wrote: > Looks like a mild weekend in the sage. > Hope the clouds don't obscure the meteor viewing. > > I've been asked to be the "waiver guy" for this launch. > I intend to arrive Thursday night....but work has been crazy and you never know..... > I'd like to hear from anybody planning to fly FRIDAY -- and if you plan to fly prior to noon. > Just in case I get hung up leaving Portland and can't hit the road until Friday morning. > > Drop me a note off list. > Thanks, > FredA > > > > > Thursday > Hi: 81? > Lo: 43? > Partly Cloudy > > Friday > Hi: 81? > Lo: 43? > Partly Cloudy > > Saturday > Hi: 81? > Lo: 43? > Partly Cloudy > > Sunday > Hi: 81? > Lo: 47? > Partly Cloudy > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From Sales at pvconly.com Tue Aug 11 07:03:22 2009 From: Sales at pvconly.com (Sam Grado www.pvconly.com) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Looking for a Red Devil Paint Shaker Message-ID: <129411.57929.qm@web1208.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I am looking for a working Red Devil 1 gallon paint shaker. If anyone has a lead on one or is will to part with one please contact me off list. ? Sam Grado TRA L2 ? "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch"! ? http://www.pvconly.com http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets sales at pvconly.com (503) 209-6002 -------------- next part -------------- I am looking for a working Red Devil 1 gallon paint shaker. If anyone has a lead on one or is will to part with one please contact me off list. ? Sam Grado TRA L2 ? "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch"! ? http://www.pvconly.com http://www.pvconly.com http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets mailto:sales at pvconly.com sales at pvconly.com (503) 209-6002 From fred at azinger.com Tue Aug 11 07:11:55 2009 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:11:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Looking for a Red Devil Paint Shaker In-Reply-To: <129411.57929.qm@web1208.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <129411.57929.qm@web1208.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005101ca1a8d$af1c5160$0d54f420$@com> Ah yes.....moving "to shaken, not stirred" Tell us how it works out Sam. What are you going to use for a shake-able vacuum vessel? -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Sam Grado www.pvconly.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:03 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Looking for a Red Devil Paint Shaker I am looking for a working Red Devil 1 gallon paint shaker. If anyone has a lead on one or is will to part with one please contact me off list. ? Sam Grado TRA L2 ? "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch"! ? http://www.pvconly.com http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets sales at pvconly.com (503) 209-6002 From fred.azinger at intel.com Tue Aug 11 08:51:58 2009 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:51:58 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Paintbooth Fan anyone???? Message-ID: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/tls/1316621881.html -------------- next part -------------- http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/tls/1316621881.html http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/tls/1316621881.html ? From jpr602 at mac.com Tue Aug 11 09:02:33 2009 From: jpr602 at mac.com (John Roberts) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:02:33 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Perseids Message-ID: <98DF18A0-0355-4CE8-84DF-25CBB5BA5496@mac.com> Fred Azinger wrote: > Yep, peak time is not this weekend...but this is not a one-night > event. > > Seems like it's always hard to see the Perseid. > Either we have an un-cooperative moon... The Perseids peak on the 12th. Next year there's a new moon on Monday the 9th. So the weekend of 13-15 will be good. From appusher at q.com Tue Aug 11 12:35:28 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:35:28 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] motor orders Message-ID: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off retail. Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me -------------- next part -------------- Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 15:07:53 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:07:53 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Message-ID: <243240864D6A4934965D851E3349A733@LaptopKrausert> Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme, this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing. Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. The following members have announced that they're planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme,?this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. ? Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing.?Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. ? All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. ? We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. ? Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're?planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, Robert ? From carl at mousetrap.com Tue Aug 11 15:56:44 2009 From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:56:44 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] motor orders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oops. Now that *everybody* knows what I'm ordering, who else want to share what they plan to fly at the September launch? - Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton wrote: > Bill - > Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a > while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward > closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance > that I could take care of that at the September launch? > > I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 > until the October launch. > > Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. > > Thanks. > > - Carl > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds wrote: > >> Hi Fliers >> PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available >> reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. >> >> If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by >> Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait >> till >> noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights early this week and >> get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off retail. Sort of a...... >> pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. >> Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and >> hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. >> If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be >> available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg bring >> them over. >> >> mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP >> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood >> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE >> GREATER GOOD >> Join me >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- ?- Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton < mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com > wrote: Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From carl at mousetrap.com Tue Aug 11 15:54:54 2009 From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:54:54 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] motor orders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. - Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds wrote: > Hi Fliers > PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available > reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. > > If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by > Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait > till > noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights early this week and > get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off retail. Sort of a...... > pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. > Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and > hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. > If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be > available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg bring > them over. > > mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood > http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER > GOOD > Join me > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From fred at azinger.com Tue Aug 11 18:43:02 2009 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:43:02 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert EX Message-ID: <006401ca1aee$3b6bf570$b243e050$@com> People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA -------------- next part -------------- People.... ? Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA ? From sealtee at cableone.net Tue Aug 11 22:09:44 2009 From: sealtee at cableone.net (Cameron Tinder) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:09:44 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Message-ID: <000001ca1b0b$1b5b9f20$5212dd60$@net> I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14th-16th). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 -------------- next part -------------- I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14 th -16 th ). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! ? Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 From rocfish74 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 12 05:28:02 2009 From: rocfish74 at hotmail.com (Mark Lyons) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:28:02 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? In-Reply-To: <000001ca1b0b$1b5b9f20$5212dd60$@net> References: <000001ca1b0b$1b5b9f20$5212dd60$@net> Message-ID: Cameron, The WAC launch this weekend is a TRA research event. It will be at the Sportsmans Club. Don't know about certification's. Mark > From: sealtee at cableone.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:09:44 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? > > I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August > 14th-16th). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? > > I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat > modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual > > deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. > Please let me know if the launch is a go! > > > > Cameron Tinder > > NAR & TRA L1 > _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 -------------- next part -------------- Cameron, The?WAC launch this weekend is a TRA research event. It will be at the Sportsmans Club. Don't know about certification's. ? Mark > From: sealtee at cableone.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:09:44 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? > > I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August > 14th-16th). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? > > I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat > modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual > > deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. > Please let me know if the launch is a go! > > > > Cameron Tinder > > NAR & TRA L1 > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 Try it now. From sealtee at cableone.net Wed Aug 12 07:33:05 2009 From: sealtee at cableone.net (Cameron Tinder) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:33:05 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601ca1b59$ce89d820$6b9d8860$@net> Ok, it seems that the Mansfield launch this weekend is in fact a "go" but it is research only and not a good place to do a L2 cert flight. OK then. Well, how about that Desert Extreme? Would my modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment and an on board video camera just for fun be welcome there? It is a bit farther to drive but I would be willing to do it as I am itching to fly this thing! Someone please let me know! Also, Where is this launch? Brothers? Robert mentioned that this is a " This is a BYOGSE event", OK, what do I need to bring to fly this thing? Thanks in advance, Cameron Tinder NAR L1 & TRA L1 -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of rockets-request at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:10 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 Send Rockets mailing list submissions to rockets at rocketsnw.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rockets-request at rocketsnw.com You can reach the person managing the list at rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..." Today's Topics: 1. motor orders (Bill Munds) 2. We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th (Robert Krausert) 3. Re: motor orders (Carl Hamilton) 4. Re: motor orders (Carl Hamilton) 5. Desert EX (Fred Azinger) 6. Mansfield launch this weekend? (Cameron Tinder) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:35:28 +0000 From: Bill Munds Subject: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off retail. Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me -------------- next part -------------- Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:07:53 -0700 From: "Robert Krausert" Subject: [RocketsNW] We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th To: "Robert Krausert" , , Message-ID: <243240864D6A4934965D851E3349A733 at LaptopKrausert> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme, this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing. Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. The following members have announced that they're planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme,?this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. ? Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing.?Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. ? All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. ? We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. ? Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're?planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, Robert ? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:56:44 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oops. Now that *everybody* knows what I'm ordering, who else want to share what they plan to fly at the September launch? - Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton wrote: > Bill - > Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a > while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward > closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance > that I could take care of that at the September launch? > > I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 > until the October launch. > > Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. > > Thanks. > > - Carl > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds wrote: > >> Hi Fliers >> PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available >> reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. >> >> If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by >> Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait >> till >> noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights early this week and >> get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off retail. Sort of a...... >> pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. >> Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and >> hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. >> If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be >> available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg bring >> them over. >> >> mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP >> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood >> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE >> GREATER GOOD >> Join me >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- ?- Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton < mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com > wrote: Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:54:54 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: Bill Munds Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. - Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds wrote: > Hi Fliers > PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available > reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. > > If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by > Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait > till > noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights early this week and > get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off retail. Sort of a...... > pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. > Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and > hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. > If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be > available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg bring > them over. > > mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood > http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER > GOOD > Join me > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:43:02 -0700 From: "Fred Azinger" Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert EX To: Message-ID: <006401ca1aee$3b6bf570$b243e050$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA -------------- next part -------------- People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:09:44 -0700 From: "Cameron Tinder" Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? To: Message-ID: <000001ca1b0b$1b5b9f20$5212dd60$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14th-16th). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 -------------- next part -------------- I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14 th -16 th ). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets End of Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 *************************************** From fred at azinger.com Wed Aug 12 07:41:20 2009 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:41:20 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? In-Reply-To: <000601ca1b59$ce89d820$6b9d8860$@net> References: <000601ca1b59$ce89d820$6b9d8860$@net> Message-ID: <004801ca1b5a$f54dbe80$dfe93b80$@com> Cameron, Come on down to Desert EX at Brothers. I can witness your L2 cert -- no issues. K550 is a great motor for a cert! This is BYOGSE, but I will have my pad, rail and launch control (which needs to get fixed tonight) there and you can use that.... Don't forget your three-part form for me to sign. See you in the sage, FredA TRA 9556 L3 TAP -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:33 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Ok, it seems that the Mansfield launch this weekend is in fact a "go" but it is research only and not a good place to do a L2 cert flight. OK then. Well, how about that Desert Extreme? Would my modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment and an on board video camera just for fun be welcome there? It is a bit farther to drive but I would be willing to do it as I am itching to fly this thing! Someone please let me know! Also, Where is this launch? Brothers? Robert mentioned that this is a " This is a BYOGSE event", OK, what do I need to bring to fly this thing? Thanks in advance, Cameron Tinder NAR L1 & TRA L1 -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of rockets-request at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:10 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 Send Rockets mailing list submissions to rockets at rocketsnw.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rockets-request at rocketsnw.com You can reach the person managing the list at rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..." Today's Topics: 1. motor orders (Bill Munds) 2. We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th (Robert Krausert) 3. Re: motor orders (Carl Hamilton) 4. Re: motor orders (Carl Hamilton) 5. Desert EX (Fred Azinger) 6. Mansfield launch this weekend? (Cameron Tinder) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:35:28 +0000 From: Bill Munds Subject: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off retail. Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me -------------- next part -------------- Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:07:53 -0700 From: "Robert Krausert" Subject: [RocketsNW] We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th To: "Robert Krausert" , , Message-ID: <243240864D6A4934965D851E3349A733 at LaptopKrausert> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme, this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing. Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. The following members have announced that they're planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme,?this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. ? Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing.?Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. ? All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. ? We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. ? Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're?planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, Robert ? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:56:44 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oops. Now that *everybody* knows what I'm ordering, who else want to share what they plan to fly at the September launch? - Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton wrote: > Bill - > Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a > while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward > closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance > that I could take care of that at the September launch? > > I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 > until the October launch. > > Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. > > Thanks. > > - Carl > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds wrote: > >> Hi Fliers >> PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available >> reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. >> >> If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by >> Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait >> till >> noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights early this week and >> get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off retail. Sort of a...... >> pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. >> Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and >> hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. >> If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be >> available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg bring >> them over. >> >> mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP >> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood >> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE >> GREATER GOOD >> Join me >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- ?- Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton < mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com > wrote: Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:54:54 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: Bill Munds Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. - Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds wrote: > Hi Fliers > PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available > reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. > > If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by > Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait > till > noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights early this week and > get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off retail. Sort of a...... > pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. > Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and > hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. > If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be > available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg bring > them over. > > mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood > http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER > GOOD > Join me > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:43:02 -0700 From: "Fred Azinger" Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert EX To: Message-ID: <006401ca1aee$3b6bf570$b243e050$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA -------------- next part -------------- People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:09:44 -0700 From: "Cameron Tinder" Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? To: Message-ID: <000001ca1b0b$1b5b9f20$5212dd60$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14th-16th). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 -------------- next part -------------- I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14 th -16 th ). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets End of Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 *************************************** _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From fred at azinger.com Wed Aug 12 07:43:31 2009 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:43:31 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? References: <000601ca1b59$ce89d820$6b9d8860$@net> Message-ID: <004901ca1b5b$43a1ede0$cae5c9a0$@com> Just so you know..... Desert EX is also a research event the same as Mansfield.... you should be able to fly your cert at either launch provided there is a witness available. FredA -----Original Message----- From: Fred Azinger [mailto:fred at azinger.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:41 AM To: 'Cameron Tinder'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com' Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Cameron, Come on down to Desert EX at Brothers. I can witness your L2 cert -- no issues. K550 is a great motor for a cert! This is BYOGSE, but I will have my pad, rail and launch control (which needs to get fixed tonight) there and you can use that.... Don't forget your three-part form for me to sign. See you in the sage, FredA TRA 9556 L3 TAP -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:33 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Ok, it seems that the Mansfield launch this weekend is in fact a "go" but it is research only and not a good place to do a L2 cert flight. OK then. Well, how about that Desert Extreme? Would my modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment and an on board video camera just for fun be welcome there? It is a bit farther to drive but I would be willing to do it as I am itching to fly this thing! Someone please let me know! Also, Where is this launch? Brothers? Robert mentioned that this is a " This is a BYOGSE event", OK, what do I need to bring to fly this thing? Thanks in advance, Cameron Tinder NAR L1 & TRA L1 -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of rockets-request at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:10 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 Send Rockets mailing list submissions to rockets at rocketsnw.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rockets-request at rocketsnw.com You can reach the person managing the list at rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..." Today's Topics: 1. motor orders (Bill Munds) 2. We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th (Robert Krausert) 3. Re: motor orders (Carl Hamilton) 4. Re: motor orders (Carl Hamilton) 5. Desert EX (Fred Azinger) 6. Mansfield launch this weekend? (Cameron Tinder) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:35:28 +0000 From: Bill Munds Subject: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off retail. Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me -------------- next part -------------- Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:07:53 -0700 From: "Robert Krausert" Subject: [RocketsNW] We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th To: "Robert Krausert" , , Message-ID: <243240864D6A4934965D851E3349A733 at LaptopKrausert> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme, this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing. Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. The following members have announced that they're planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme,?this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. ? Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing.?Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. ? All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. ? We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. ? Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're?planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, Robert ? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:56:44 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oops. Now that *everybody* knows what I'm ordering, who else want to share what they plan to fly at the September launch? - Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton wrote: > Bill - > Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a > while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward > closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance > that I could take care of that at the September launch? > > I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 > until the October launch. > > Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. > > Thanks. > > - Carl > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds wrote: > >> Hi Fliers >> PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available >> reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. >> >> If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by >> Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait >> till >> noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights early this week and >> get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off retail. Sort of a...... >> pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. >> Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and >> hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. >> If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be >> available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg bring >> them over. >> >> mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP >> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood >> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE >> GREATER GOOD >> Join me >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- ?- Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton < mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com > wrote: Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:54:54 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: Bill Munds Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. - Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds wrote: > Hi Fliers > PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available > reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. > > If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by > Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait > till > noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights early this week and > get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off retail. Sort of a...... > pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. > Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and > hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. > If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be > available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg bring > them over. > > mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood > http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER > GOOD > Join me > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:43:02 -0700 From: "Fred Azinger" Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert EX To: Message-ID: <006401ca1aee$3b6bf570$b243e050$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA -------------- next part -------------- People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:09:44 -0700 From: "Cameron Tinder" Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? To: Message-ID: <000001ca1b0b$1b5b9f20$5212dd60$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14th-16th). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 -------------- next part -------------- I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14 th -16 th ). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets End of Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 *************************************** _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From rbraibish at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 07:49:18 2009 From: rbraibish at yahoo.com (Robert Braibish) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? In-Reply-To: <004901ca1b5b$43a1ede0$cae5c9a0$@com> References: <000601ca1b59$ce89d820$6b9d8860$@net> <004901ca1b5b$43a1ede0$cae5c9a0$@com> Message-ID: <390157.84420.qm@web43501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I thought Desert Ex. was TRA only.? My understanding was if I am NAR only that the most I could do was watch.... is this true? I see that Cameron is NAR and TRA so I guess he could qualify TRA but is the event sanctioned by NAR and can he (and I) fly as "NAR"??? Robert Braibish ________________________________ From: Fred Azinger To: Fred Azinger ; Cameron Tinder ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:43:31 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Just so you know...... Desert EX is also a research event the same as Mansfield.... you should be able to fly your cert at either launch provided there is a witness available. FredA -----Original Message----- From: Fred Azinger [mailto:fred at azinger.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:41 AM To: 'Cameron Tinder'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com' Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Cameron, Come on down to Desert EX at Brothers. I can witness your L2 cert -- no issues. K550 is a great motor for a cert! This is BYOGSE, but I will have my pad, rail and launch control (which needs to get fixed tonight) there and you can use that..... Don't forget your three-part form for me to sign. See you in the sage, FredA TRA 9556 L3 TAP -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:33 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Ok, it seems that the Mansfield launch this weekend is in fact a "go" but it is research only and not a good place to do a L2 cert flight. OK then. Well, how about that Desert Extreme?? Would my modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment and an on board video camera just for fun be welcome there? It is a bit farther to drive but I would be willing to do it as I am itching to fly this thing! Someone please let me know! Also, Where is this launch? Brothers? Robert mentioned that this is a " This is a BYOGSE event", OK, what do I need to bring to fly this thing? Thanks in advance, Cameron Tinder NAR L1 & TRA L1 -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of rockets-request at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:10 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 Send Rockets mailing list submissions to ??? rockets at rocketsnw.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? rockets-request at rocketsnw.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. motor orders (Bill Munds) ? 2. We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is??? August ? ? ? 14th - 16th (Robert Krausert) ? 3. Re: motor orders (Carl Hamilton) ? 4. Re: motor orders (Carl Hamilton) ? 5. Desert EX (Fred Azinger) ? 6. Mansfield launch this weekend? (Cameron Tinder) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:35:28 +0000 From: Bill Munds Subject: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me -------------- next part -------------- Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:07:53 -0700 From: "Robert Krausert" Subject: [RocketsNW] We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch ??? is??? August 14th - 16th To: "Robert Krausert" , ??? , Message-ID: <243240864D6A4934965D851E3349A733 at LaptopKrausert> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme, this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing. Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) Cheers, Robert ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: Robert Krausert ? To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com ? Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM ? Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th ? Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're planning to attend the event. ? (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail ? Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway ? Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon ? Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 ? Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts ? Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher ? Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe ? Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller ? Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, ? Robert -------------- next part -------------- Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme,?this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. ? Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing.?Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. ? All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. ? We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. ? Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're?planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, Robert ? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:56:44 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oops. Now that *everybody* knows what I'm ordering, who else want to share what they plan to fly at the September launch? - Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton wrote: > Bill - > Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a > while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward > closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance > that I could take care of that at the September launch? > > I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 > until the October launch. > > Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. > > Thanks. > >? - Carl > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds wrote: > >> Hi Fliers >> PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available >> reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. >> >> If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by >> Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait >> till >> noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and >> get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... >> pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. >> Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and >> hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. >> If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be >> available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring >> them over.. >> >> mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP >> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood >> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE >> GREATER GOOD >> Join me >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- ?- Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton < mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com > wrote: Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:54:54 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: Bill Munds Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. - Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds wrote: > Hi Fliers > PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available > reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. > > If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by > Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait > till > noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and > get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... > pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. > Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and > hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. > If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be > available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring > them over. > > mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood > http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER > GOOD > Join me > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q..com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:43:02 -0700 From: "Fred Azinger" Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert EX To: Message-ID: <006401ca1aee$3b6bf570$b243e050$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA -------------- next part -------------- People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:09:44 -0700 From: "Cameron Tinder" Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? To: Message-ID: <000001ca1b0b$1b5b9f20$5212dd60$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14th-16th).. Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 -------------- next part -------------- I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14 th -16 th ). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1..blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets End of Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 *************************************** _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw..com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- I thought Desert Ex. was TRA only.? My understanding was if I am NAR only that the most I could do was watch.... is this true? I see that Cameron is NAR and TRA so I guess he could qualify TRA but is the event sanctioned by NAR and can he (and I) fly as "NAR"??? Robert Braibish From: Fred Azinger To: Fred Azinger ; Cameron Tinder ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:43:31 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Just so you know..... Desert EX is also a research event the same as Mansfield.... you should be able to fly your cert at either launch provided there is a witness available. FredA -----Original Message----- From: Fred Azinger [mailto: mailto:fred at azinger.com fred at azinger.com ] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:41 AM To: 'Cameron Tinder'; ' mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ' Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Cameron, Come on down to Desert EX at Brothers. I can witness your L2 cert -- no issues. K550 is a great motor for a cert! This is BYOGSE, but I will have my pad, rail and launch control (which needs to get fixed tonight) there and you can use that.... Don't forget your three-part form for me to sign. See you in the sage, FredA TRA 9556 L3 TAP -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:33 AM To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Ok, it seems that the Mansfield launch this weekend is in fact a "go" but it is research only and not a good place to do a L2 cert flight. OK then. Well, how about that Desert Extreme?? Would my modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment and an on board video camera just for fun be welcome there? It is a bit farther to drive but I would be willing to do it as I am itching to fly this thing! Someone please let me know! Also, Where is this launch? Brothers? Robert mentioned that this is a " This is a BYOGSE event", OK, what do I need to bring to fly this thing? Thanks in advance, Cameron Tinder NAR L1 & TRA L1 -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw..com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of mailto:rockets-request at rocketsnw.com rockets-request at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:10 PM To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw..com Subject: Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 Send Rockets mailing list submissions to ??? mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? mailto:rockets-request at rocketsnw.com rockets-request at rocketsnw.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? mailto:rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. motor orders (Bill Munds) ? 2. We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is??? August ? ? ? 14th - 16th (Robert Krausert) ? 3.. Re: motor orders (Carl Hamilton) ? 4. Re: motor orders (Carl Hamilton) ? 5. Desert EX (Fred Azinger) ? 6. Mansfield launch this weekend? (Cameron Tinder) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:35:28 +0000 From: Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Message-ID: < mailto:BLU107-W1673F9C46BAD7EC640F670DC070 at phx.gbl BLU107-W1673F9C46BAD7EC640F670DC070 at phx.gbl > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but .....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me -------------- next part -------------- Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:07:53 -0700 From: "Robert Krausert" < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch ??? is??? August 14th - 16th To: "Robert Krausert" < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com >, ??? < mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry..org >, < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Message-ID: <243240864D6A4934965D851E3349A733 at LaptopKrausert> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme, this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing. Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) Cheers, Robert ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: Robert Krausert ? To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ? Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM ? Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th ? Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're planning to attend the event. ? (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail ? Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway ? Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon ? Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 ? Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts ? Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher ? Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe ? Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller ? Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, ? Robert -------------- next part -------------- Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme,?this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. ? Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing.?Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. ? All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. ? We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. ? Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're?planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, Robert ? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:56:44 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton < mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: ??? < mailto:e068dfbd0908111556h60558688s6e895fc8f90f11cc at mail.gmail.com e068dfbd0908111556h60558688s6e895fc8f90f11cc at mail.gmail.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oops. Now that *everybody* knows what I'm ordering, who else want to share what they plan to fly at the September launch? - Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton < mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com > wrote: > Bill - > Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a > while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward > closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance > that I could take care of that at the September launch? > > I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 > until the October launch. > > Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. > > Thanks. > >? - Carl > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q..com > wrote: > >> Hi Fliers >> PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available >> reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. >> >> If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by >> Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait >> till >> noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and >> get those orders in early..? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... >> pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. >> Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and >> hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. >> If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be >> available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring >> them over. >> >> mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP >> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood >> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE >> GREATER GOOD >> Join me >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- ?- Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton < mailto: mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com > wrote: Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto: mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto: mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:54:54 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton < mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > Cc: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: ??? < mailto:e068dfbd0908111554i4a80f7beod9188f4e34be1fb5 at mail.gmail.com e068dfbd0908111554i4a80f7beod9188f4e34be1fb5 at mail.gmail.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. - Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > wrote: > Hi Fliers > PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available > reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. > > If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by > Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait > till > noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and > get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... > pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. > Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and > hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. > If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be > available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring > them over. > > mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood > http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER > GOOD > Join me > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone..com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto: mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto: mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone..com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:43:02 -0700 From: "Fred Azinger" < mailto:fred at azinger.com fred at azinger.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert EX To: < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Message-ID: <006401ca1aee$3b6bf570$b243e050$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA -------------- next part -------------- People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:09:44 -0700 From: "Cameron Tinder" < mailto:sealtee at cableone.net sealtee at cableone.net > Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? To: < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Message-ID: <000001ca1b0b$1b5b9f20$5212dd60$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14th-16th). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 -------------- next part -------------- I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14 th -16 th ). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets End of Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 *************************************** _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From fred at azinger.com Wed Aug 12 07:56:21 2009 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:56:21 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? In-Reply-To: <390157.84420.qm@web43501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <000601ca1b59$ce89d820$6b9d8860$@net> <004901ca1b5b$43a1ede0$cae5c9a0$@com> <390157.84420.qm@web43501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005001ca1b5d$0e8535c0$2b8fa140$@com> Desert EX is TRA ONLY.... Cameron is both -- he can cert with TRA this weekend.... NAR OROC members are welcome as guests of OROC to watch, but cannot fly. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Braibish Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:49 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? I thought Desert Ex. was TRA only.? My understanding was if I am NAR only that the most I could do was watch.... is this true? I see that Cameron is NAR and TRA so I guess he could qualify TRA but is the event sanctioned by NAR and can he (and I) fly as "NAR"??? Robert Braibish ________________________________ From: Fred Azinger To: Fred Azinger ; Cameron Tinder ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:43:31 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Just so you know...... Desert EX is also a research event the same as Mansfield.... you should be able to fly your cert at either launch provided there is a witness available. FredA -----Original Message----- From: Fred Azinger [mailto:fred at azinger.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:41 AM To: 'Cameron Tinder'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com' Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Cameron, Come on down to Desert EX at Brothers. I can witness your L2 cert -- no issues. K550 is a great motor for a cert! This is BYOGSE, but I will have my pad, rail and launch control (which needs to get fixed tonight) there and you can use that..... Don't forget your three-part form for me to sign. See you in the sage, FredA TRA 9556 L3 TAP -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:33 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Ok, it seems that the Mansfield launch this weekend is in fact a "go" but it is research only and not a good place to do a L2 cert flight. OK then. Well, how about that Desert Extreme?? Would my modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment and an on board video camera just for fun be welcome there? It is a bit farther to drive but I would be willing to do it as I am itching to fly this thing! Someone please let me know! Also, Where is this launch? Brothers? Robert mentioned that this is a " This is a BYOGSE event", OK, what do I need to bring to fly this thing? Thanks in advance, Cameron Tinder NAR L1 & TRA L1 -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of rockets-request at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:10 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 Send Rockets mailing list submissions to ??? rockets at rocketsnw.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? rockets-request at rocketsnw.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. motor orders (Bill Munds) ? 2. We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is??? August ? ? ? 14th - 16th (Robert Krausert) ? 3. Re: motor orders (Carl Hamilton) ? 4. Re: motor orders (Carl Hamilton) ? 5. Desert EX (Fred Azinger) ? 6. Mansfield launch this weekend? (Cameron Tinder) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:35:28 +0000 From: Bill Munds Subject: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me -------------- next part -------------- Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:07:53 -0700 From: "Robert Krausert" Subject: [RocketsNW] We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch ??? is??? August 14th - 16th To: "Robert Krausert" , ??? , Message-ID: <243240864D6A4934965D851E3349A733 at LaptopKrausert> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme, this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing. Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) Cheers, Robert ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: Robert Krausert ? To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com ? Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM ? Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th ? Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're planning to attend the event. ? (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail ? Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway ? Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon ? Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 ? Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts ? Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher ? Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe ? Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller ? Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, ? Robert -------------- next part -------------- Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme,?this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. ? Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing.?Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. ? All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. ? We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. ? Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're?planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, Robert ? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:56:44 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oops. Now that *everybody* knows what I'm ordering, who else want to share what they plan to fly at the September launch? - Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton wrote: > Bill - > Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email > a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended > forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward > closure. Any chance > that I could take care of that at the September launch? > > I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the > K270 until the October launch. > > Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. > > Thanks. > >? - Carl > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds wrote: > >> Hi Fliers >> PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for >> available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. >> >> If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order >> by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if >> you wait >> till >> noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this >> week and >> get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... >> pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. >> Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and >> hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. >> If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be >> available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring >> them over.. >> >> mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP >> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood >> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE >> GREATER GOOD Join me >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- ?- Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton < mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com > wrote: Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:54:54 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: Bill Munds Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. - Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds wrote: > Hi Fliers > PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for > available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. > > If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order > by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if > you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights > early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off > retail.? Sort of a...... > pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. > Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and > hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. > If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be > available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg > bring them over. > > mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood > http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE > GREATER GOOD Join me > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q..com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:43:02 -0700 From: "Fred Azinger" Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert EX To: Message-ID: <006401ca1aee$3b6bf570$b243e050$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA -------------- next part -------------- People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:09:44 -0700 From: "Cameron Tinder" Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? To: Message-ID: <000001ca1b0b$1b5b9f20$5212dd60$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14th-16th).. Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 -------------- next part -------------- I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14 th -16 th ). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1..blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets End of Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 *************************************** _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw..com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From fred.azinger at intel.com Wed Aug 12 10:11:26 2009 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:11:26 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? In-Reply-To: <005001ca1b5d$0e8535c0$2b8fa140$@com> References: <000601ca1b59$ce89d820$6b9d8860$@net> <004901ca1b5b$43a1ede0$cae5c9a0$@com> <390157.84420.qm@web43501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <005001ca1b5d$0e8535c0$2b8fa140$@com> Message-ID: Let me add a few more thoughts.... NAR OROC members who want to fly should find a TRA member of the proper cert level to buddy with....just need a TRA number on the flight card.... Speaking of flight cards -- I don't have any -- we'll be using a "flight clipboard" found at my EZ-UP to log flights.... Plus, some good news, another item left in the trailer are the wrist bands -- no wrist bands this weekend -- finally, that all-over tanning opportunity! (ok -- bad image, sorry, couldn't resist) ;-) Hopefully this rain in Portland won't get over the Cascades -- they backed the forecast down a notch.... And lastly -- sorry, no Q's THIS weekend -- just K's -> M's -- Robert was a little enthusiastic See you in the sage! FredA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Fred Azinger Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:56 AM To: 'Robert Braibish'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Desert EX is TRA ONLY.... Cameron is both -- he can cert with TRA this weekend.... NAR OROC members are welcome as guests of OROC to watch, but cannot fly. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Braibish Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:49 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? I thought Desert Ex. was TRA only. My understanding was if I am NAR only that the most I could do was watch.... is this true? I see that Cameron is NAR and TRA so I guess he could qualify TRA but is the event sanctioned by NAR and can he (and I) fly as "NAR"??? Robert Braibish ________________________________ From: Fred Azinger To: Fred Azinger ; Cameron Tinder ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:43:31 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Just so you know...... Desert EX is also a research event the same as Mansfield.... you should be able to fly your cert at either launch provided there is a witness available. FredA -----Original Message----- From: Fred Azinger [mailto:fred at azinger.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:41 AM To: 'Cameron Tinder'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com' Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Cameron, Come on down to Desert EX at Brothers. I can witness your L2 cert -- no issues. K550 is a great motor for a cert! This is BYOGSE, but I will have my pad, rail and launch control (which needs to get fixed tonight) there and you can use that..... Don't forget your three-part form for me to sign. See you in the sage, FredA TRA 9556 L3 TAP -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:33 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? Ok, it seems that the Mansfield launch this weekend is in fact a "go" but it is research only and not a good place to do a L2 cert flight. OK then. Well, how about that Desert Extreme? Would my modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment and an on board video camera just for fun be welcome there? It is a bit farther to drive but I would be willing to do it as I am itching to fly this thing! Someone please let me know! Also, Where is this launch? Brothers? Robert mentioned that this is a " This is a BYOGSE event", OK, what do I need to bring to fly this thing? Thanks in advance, Cameron Tinder NAR L1 & TRA L1 -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of rockets-request at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:10 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 Send Rockets mailing list submissions to rockets at rocketsnw.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rockets-request at rocketsnw.com You can reach the person managing the list at rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..." Today's Topics: 1. motor orders (Bill Munds) 2. We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th (Robert Krausert) 3. Re: motor orders (Carl Hamilton) 4. Re: motor orders (Carl Hamilton) 5. Desert EX (Fred Azinger) 6. Mansfield launch this weekend? (Cameron Tinder) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:35:28 +0000 From: Bill Munds Subject: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off retail. Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me -------------- next part -------------- Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:07:53 -0700 From: "Robert Krausert" Subject: [RocketsNW] We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th To: "Robert Krausert" , , Message-ID: <243240864D6A4934965D851E3349A733 at LaptopKrausert> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme, this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing. Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. The following members have announced that they're planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme,?this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. ? Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing.?Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. ? All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. ? We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. ? Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're?planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, Robert ? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:56:44 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oops. Now that *everybody* knows what I'm ordering, who else want to share what they plan to fly at the September launch? - Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton wrote: > Bill - > Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email > a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended > forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward > closure. Any chance > that I could take care of that at the September launch? > > I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the > K270 until the October launch. > > Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. > > Thanks. > > - Carl > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds wrote: > >> Hi Fliers >> PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for >> available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. >> >> If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order >> by Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if >> you wait >> till >> noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights early this >> week and >> get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off retail. Sort of a...... >> pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. >> Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and >> hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. >> If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be >> available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg bring >> them over.. >> >> mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP >> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood >> http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE >> GREATER GOOD Join me >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- ?- Mr. doesn't know how to reply with little "r" On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Carl Hamilton < mailto:carl at mousetrap.com carl at mousetrap.com > wrote: Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q.com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:54:54 -0700 From: Carl Hamilton Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] motor orders To: Bill Munds Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill - Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. - Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds wrote: > Hi Fliers > PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on Thursday for > available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. > > If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order > by Thursday morning. Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if > you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not. Plan some flights > early this week and get those orders in early. Pre-paids get 10% off > retail. Sort of a...... > pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. > Side note: Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and > hardware at 60Acres coming up soon. See Greg Wilson. > If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be > available, let me know ahead of time. I'll see if I can't have Greg > bring them over. > > mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood > http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE > GREATER GOOD Join me > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- Could you order me a 54mm J315R and a 54mm K270W. We traded some email a while ago about me trading up my unused 54mm plugged, extended forward closure for a 54mm, plugged, extended, threaded forward closure. Any chance that I could take care of that at the September launch? I'll probably fly the J315 in September, but probably won't fly the K270 until the October launch. Let me know what I owe you and I'll put a check in the mail. Thanks. ?- Carl On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bill Munds < mailto:appusher at q.com appusher at q..com > wrote: Hi Fliers PSP is ging to placing an order with Aerotech on?Thursday for available reloads for Sept launch in Mansfield. ? If you have any specific loads you are looking for...place your order by Thursday morning.? Some you last minute fliers might get lucky if you wait till noon on Thursday but ....maybe not.? Plan some flights early this week and get those orders in early.? Pre-paids get 10% off retail.? Sort of a...... pre-increase-sale-after-the-increase. Side note:? Roadside Hobbies will have some model motor reloads and hardware at 60Acres coming up soon.? See Greg Wilson. If anyone wants some reloads other than just the model motors to be available, let me know ahead of time.? I'll see if I can't have Greg bring them over. ? mailto: mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:43:02 -0700 From: "Fred Azinger" Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert EX To: Message-ID: <006401ca1aee$3b6bf570$b243e050$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA -------------- next part -------------- People.... Just wanted to make sure people understand that I will NOT have the Prefect's book and Greg is not attending. Sorry, I cannot administer the written test this weekend. I can witness flights or inspect L3 HW for TRA. Sorry to NAR and any TRA wanting to take the written test.... FredA ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:09:44 -0700 From: "Cameron Tinder" Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield launch this weekend? To: Message-ID: <000001ca1b0b$1b5b9f20$5212dd60$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14th-16th).. Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 -------------- next part -------------- I have not heard any word on the Mansfield launch this weekend (August 14 th -16 th ). Is it still on? Will it be at the Snell Ranch? I am wanting to do my level 2 cert flight this weekend in a somewhat modified 5 inch Jayhawk that will include a K550, dual deployment out of one compartment and an on board video camera just for fun. Please let me know if the launch is a go! Cameron Tinder NAR & TRA L1 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1..blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets End of Rockets Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 *************************************** _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw..com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jpr602 at mac.com Wed Aug 12 12:58:10 2009 From: jpr602 at mac.com (John Roberts) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:58:10 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] We are go!!! Re: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th In-Reply-To: <243240864D6A4934965D851E3349A733@LaptopKrausert> References: <243240864D6A4934965D851E3349A733@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <12DC68C4-AAA1-480D-B614-72B7C7656720@mac.com> Research flyers are expected to know and follow the research safety code. Section 9 is the meat of it. We strongly discourage attendance of children. Does the club or anyone attending have research flight cards? TRA requires extra info compared to regular flight cards. Also, we are supposed to retain the research cards. When I get home this eve I can email the PDF(?) that I have. [from my iPhone] On Aug 11, 2009, at 15:07, Robert Krausert wrote: > Hello boys and girls, > The launch, Desert EXtreme, this weekend is a go!!! The weather > forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. > Have a great time. > > Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing. Let them know are > plans. ~72 hours and ready. > > All planning to attend, please read, > Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has > accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver > calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He > has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver > activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. > > We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. > > Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) > > Cheers, > Robert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Krausert > To: members at oregonrocketry.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM > Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th > > Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, > bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great > time. Be safe. > > The following members have announced that they're planning to attend > the event. > (some facts and figures may or may not be true) > > Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail > Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) > > David Holloway > Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn > > Jack Cannon > Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn > > Tsolo T3 > Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using > 1/4A A0.29 > > JP Roberts > Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket > > Mike Fisher > Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second > burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long > > Brent Rowe > Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, > guess is O-P class > > Warren Miller > Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have > fun > > This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only > can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can > fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and > higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited > guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in > prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. > After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring > shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn > them only in the three established fire pits. > > Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly > and actual motor size. > > Cheers, > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Members mailing list > Members at oregonrocketry.org > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members -------------- next part -------------- Research flyers are expected to know and follow the research safety code. Section 9 is the meat of it. We strongly discourage attendance of children. Does the club or anyone attending have research flight cards? TRA requires extra info compared to regular flight cards. Also, we are supposed to retain the research cards. When I get home this eve I can email the PDF(?) that I have. [from my iPhone ] On Aug 11, 2009, at 15:07, Robert Krausert < mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com > wrote: Hello boys and girls, The launch, Desert EXtreme,?this weekend is a go!!! The weather forecast looks fantastic. But still prepare, water and sunscreen. Have a great time. ? Randy, please alert the FAA and Fighter wing.?Let them know are plans. ~72 hours and ready. ? All planning to attend, please read, Fred Azinger has final say over everything this weekend. He has accepted the duty (screaming and kicking) to call in the waiver calls each day. If Fred isn't there on Friday morning, don't fly. He has agreed to handle the calls. Once Fred is there and waiver activated, you're go to go. All TRA and OROC rules apply. ? We truly thank Fred Azinger for the help. ? Left Fred fly too. But stop by and say hi. ;-) ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org mailto:members at oregonrocketry.org members at oregonrocketry.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Reminder: Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th Desert EXtreme launch is August 14th - 16th. This is a BYOGSE event, bring your own ground support equipment. Hope everyone has a great time. Be safe. ? The following members have announced that they're?planning to attend the event. (some facts and figures may or may not be true) ? Fred Azinger and Team Hardtail Flying a 14" dia #3-1/2 Pencil on a Q12,500 (Fear mixture) ? David Holloway Flying a 98mm dart on a N1100 w/ 18 second burn ? Jack Cannon Unknown rocket flying on a O20,480 w/ 2 second burn ? Tsolo T3 Flying a 750 motor cluster on a 12" dia rocket made of Balsa using 1/4A A0.29 ? JP Roberts Flying a M570 using someone elses rocket ? Mike Fisher Flying the worls's first 38mm baby-O motor, O40,960 w/ 0.5 second burn. Motor case is 38mm dia by 5,181mm long ? Brent Rowe Binder Thug Upscale on an unknown 152mm dia motor w/ Furple mixture, guess is O-P class ? Warren Miller Tripoli L2 spectator; Not required, but you're welcome to fly - have fun ? This a research launch only, all three days. Tripoli members only can fly rockets during this event. Tripoli members at any level can fly commercial motor up to your certification level. Tripoli L2 and higher may fly EX rockets. Non-Tripoli OROC members are invited guests, those under age 18 and non-Tripoli members are no allowed in prep areas and beyond the flight line. All safety code applies. After all the hot weather, assume fire danger to be high. Bring shovels and be prepared. I left a bunch of firewood in July. Burn them only in the three established fire pits. ? Again, I wish everyone to have a great time. No matter what you fly and actual motor size. ? Cheers, Robert ? _______________________________________________ Members mailing list mailto:Members at oregonrocketry.org Members at oregonrocketry.org http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Wed Aug 12 18:06:18 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:06:18 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] X-20 Dyna-Soar Message-ID: <4A83670A.2080606@earthlink.net> USAF video Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpO5q86Bqys Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1spbZ9o4N8k USAF unveiling the X-20 to the public http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bn5A0oNpuM Computer video simulation of the X-20 docking in orbit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1sO8OKKFZg Computer video simulation of the X-20 doing surveillance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgYSgUVYO9Q Computer video simulation of the Manned Orbiting Laboratory (MOL) which was supposed to be a successor to the cancelled X-20 program. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVncV1e_a7Y RC X-20 DynaSoar made of Depron foam launched with a rocket motor and also flown with an electric motor and prop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmbJVqz--cQ Website dedicated to the X-20 http://www.deepcold.com/deepcold/dyna_main.html Free paper model of the X-20 you can download and put together. http://www8.wind.ne.jp/takumi/s074.html "Dyna-Soar: Hypersonic Strategic Weapons System" Apogee Books Space Series 35 (Paperback) http://www.amazon.com/Dyna-Soar-Hypersonic-Strategic-Weapons-System/dp/1896522955/ From gbhchrist at verizon.net Wed Aug 12 22:31:32 2009 From: gbhchrist at verizon.net (George Christ) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:31:32 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] X-20 Dyna-Soar In-Reply-To: <4A83670A.2080606@earthlink.net> References: <4A83670A.2080606@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6108C80458DC4F93A0B42D6B368B92D1@LittleGoodBox> USAF made a critical political mis-step in selling this program to the Congress. Instead of labeling the on-orbit portion "Manned Orbiting Laboratory", they ought to have named it "Manned Orbiting Module." Surely no American legislator would *dare* vote against something known by the acronym MOM! Instant and assured approval, no matter how much funding might be called for. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:06 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] X-20 Dyna-Soar > USAF video > Part 1 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpO5q86Bqys > Part 2 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1spbZ9o4N8k > > USAF unveiling the X-20 to the public > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bn5A0oNpuM > > Computer video simulation of the X-20 docking in orbit > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1sO8OKKFZg > > Computer video simulation of the X-20 doing surveillance > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgYSgUVYO9Q > > Computer video simulation of the Manned Orbiting Laboratory (MOL) which > was supposed to be a successor to the cancelled X-20 program. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVncV1e_a7Y > > RC X-20 DynaSoar made of Depron foam launched with a rocket motor and > also flown with an electric motor and prop. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmbJVqz--cQ > > Website dedicated to the X-20 > http://www.deepcold.com/deepcold/dyna_main.html > > Free paper model of the X-20 you can download and put together. > http://www8.wind.ne.jp/takumi/s074.html > > "Dyna-Soar: Hypersonic Strategic Weapons System" > Apogee Books Space Series 35 (Paperback) > http://www.amazon.com/Dyna-Soar-Hypersonic-Strategic-Weapons-System/dp/1896522955/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From barwickad at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 10:59:13 2009 From: barwickad at gmail.com (Andy and Denise Barwick) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:59:13 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Mansfield launch in September! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Planning to attend and and hopefully complete a L2 certifcation flight. Bill, sent you an order for motors. Carl can I take the test at the Sept meeting? Andy Barwick. On 8/7/09, Simpsonclark at aol.com wrote: > Planning on it! > -Robert > > > In a message dated 8/7/2009 7:59:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > carl at mousetrap.com writes: > > The Washington Aerospace Club will be holding a launch this September in > Mansfield. This launch is an addition to our current launch schedule, > motivated by member interest and free flowing AP. We are targeting the > weekend > of September 19th and 20th, but don't yet know whether it will be held at > the Sportsman's Club or the Ranch. In order to determine our GSE needs we > need > to know who will be there. If you plan to attend, please let me know. > > > I hope to see you in September! > > > Thanks. > > > - Carl > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > members mailing list > members at washingtonaerospace.org > http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace. > org > > > -- Sent from my mobile device From appusher at q.com Thu Aug 13 14:32:29 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:32:29 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield Research launch Message-ID: Anyone from the west side headed over to Mansfield this weekend? I have an order that needs to be transported. If so, ping me off list. Thanks, Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me -------------- next part -------------- Anyone from the west side headed over to Mansfield this weekend? ? I have an order that needs to be transported. ? If so, ping me off list. ? Thanks, Bill http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From sb at berfield.com Fri Aug 14 10:05:49 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:05:49 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] reload compatibility Message-ID: Hi guys, Planning on flying a Competitor 4" on a CTI Pro75 L1410-SK at XPRS next month and am going to need to scrounge the hardware. I have a source that I can probably borrow an RMS 75/6400 case from, but this particular load is not listed on their site as cross-compatible with RMS hardware. I dropped them a note to ask, but thought one of you mihgt know as well. Barring that, anyone have a Pro75 5G setup I could borrow next month? Scott -------------- next part -------------- Hi guys, Planning on flying a Competitor 4" on a CTI Pro75 L1410-SK at XPRS next month and am going to need to scrounge the hardware. I have a source that I can probably borrow an RMS 75/6400 case from, but this particular load is not listed on their site as cross-compatible with RMS hardware. I dropped them a note to ask, but thought one of you mihgt know as well. Barring that, anyone have a Pro75 5G setup I could borrow next month? Scott From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Aug 14 19:24:56 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:24:56 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious, Obama panel says Message-ID: <4A861C78.3070201@earthlink.net> http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/story/1185467.html NASA's moon plan too ambitious, Obama panel says A panel reviewing NASA's current plans for human space flight will report that there is no realistic way to return to the moon by 2020 -- or even 2028. BY JOEL ACHENBACH Washington Post Service (excerpt) WASHINGTON -- NASA doesn't have nearly enough money to meet its goal of putting astronauts back on the moon by 2020 -- and it might be the wrong place to go, anyway. That's one of the harsh messages emerging from a sweeping review of NASA's human space flight program. The Human Space Flight Plans Committee, appointed by President Barack Obama and headed by retired aerospace executive Norman Augustine, has been trying to stitch together some kind of plausible strategy for America's manned space program. The panel has struggled to find options that stay under the current budget and include missions worthy of the cost and effort.... From bjarchow at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 22:45:27 2009 From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:45:27 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious, Obama panel says In-Reply-To: <4A861C78.3070201@earthlink.net> References: <4A861C78.3070201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I love the wording - sending astronauts to the moon is unrealistic because "NASA doesn't have the money." Sending men back to the moon could be done by 2015 - IF they had the necessary legislative and executive support. Unfortunately I would expect cuts to their budget under the current legislature and chief executive. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Hammer wrote: > http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/story/1185467.html > > NASA's moon plan too ambitious, Obama panel says > > A panel reviewing NASA's current plans for human space flight will > report that there is no realistic way to return to the moon by 2020 -- > or even 2028. > > BY JOEL ACHENBACH > Washington Post Service > > (excerpt) > WASHINGTON -- NASA doesn't have nearly enough money to meet its goal of > putting astronauts back on the moon by 2020 -- and it might be the wrong > place to go, anyway. That's one of the harsh messages emerging from a > sweeping review of NASA's human space flight program. > > The Human Space Flight Plans Committee, appointed by President Barack > Obama and headed by retired aerospace executive Norman Augustine, has > been trying to stitch together some kind of plausible strategy for > America's manned space program. The panel has struggled to find options > that stay under the current budget and include missions worthy of the > cost and effort.... > -------------- next part -------------- Sending men back to the moon could be done by 2015 - IF they had the necessary legislative and executive support. Unfortunately I would expect cuts to their budget under the current legislature and chief executive. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Hammer < mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net > wrote: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/story/1185467.html http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/story/1185467.html NASA's moon plan too ambitious, Obama panel says A panel reviewing NASA's current plans for human space flight will report that there is no realistic way to return to the moon by 2020 -- or even 2028. BY JOEL ACHENBACH Washington Post Service (excerpt) WASHINGTON -- NASA doesn't have nearly enough money to meet its goal of putting astronauts back on the moon by 2020 -- and it might be the wrong place to go, anyway. That's one of the harsh messages emerging from a sweeping review of NASA's human space flight program. The Human Space Flight Plans Committee, appointed by President Barack Obama and headed by retired aerospace executive Norman Augustine, has been trying to stitch together some kind of plausible strategy for America's manned space program. The panel has struggled to find options that stay under the current budget and include missions worthy of the cost and effort.... From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sat Aug 15 02:19:06 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 02:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious, Obama panel says In-Reply-To: <4A861C78.3070201@earthlink.net> References: <4A861C78.3070201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <70ccc2c32995c9f63ae5fe8878b8693c.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> I always used to be a supporter of space exploration of all kinds. But today, *THE* overriding question is, "With what money?" Everything the federal gov't does now is done with borrowed money that will never truly be repaid. The more the gov't spends on anything, the faster the dollar will hyperinflate and the whole country collapse. It's like watching somebody in a burning house pouring gasoline on themselves. It just hurts to watch. Step 1: Figure out how to make returning to the moon a profit-making enterprise. Government will never do that because government has no idea how to do anything but *spend* money. Gerard K. O'Neill is the only one who ever figured out how to make lunar operations potentially profitable on a large scale. On a small scale, lunar 'cruises' for the ultra-rich will work until the starving masses overthrow the greedy bastards and there aren't any rich any more, just starving people interested solely in day-to-day survival. Or robotic missions to haul back moon rocks for sale to the highest bidder. Sigh. Here's a bit of radical advice for the folks inside the D.C. beltway: Regain contact with reality. Soon. +McG+ > http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/story/1185467.html > > NASA's moon plan too ambitious, Obama panel says > > A panel reviewing NASA's current plans for human space flight will > report that there is no realistic way to return to the moon by 2020 -- > or even 2028. > > BY JOEL ACHENBACH > Washington Post Service > > (excerpt) > WASHINGTON -- NASA doesn't have nearly enough money to meet its goal of > putting astronauts back on the moon by 2020 -- and it might be the wrong > place to go, anyway. That's one of the harsh messages emerging from a > sweeping review of NASA's human space flight program. > > The Human Space Flight Plans Committee, appointed by President Barack > Obama and headed by retired aerospace executive Norman Augustine, has > been trying to stitch together some kind of plausible strategy for > America's manned space program. The panel has struggled to find options > that stay under the current budget and include missions worthy of the > cost and effort.... > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From jhadv at pacifier.com Sat Aug 15 12:48:43 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:48:43 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090815123914.00c5dda0@mail.iinet.com> >Step 1: Figure out how to make returning to the moon a profit-making >enterprise. Government will never do that because government has no idea >how to do anything but *spend* money. No way to do it with the Moon. Mars however is a different story. The rovers identified areas where a large portion of the surface soil is perchlorate. Oxidizer. All we need bring or find is some fuel and we can make heat and bricks and water and stuff like that. Also as I understand it, Mars could use a little more atmosphere which burning the perchlorate would also provide. Not a particularly pleasant atmosphere for the first tens of millions of years mind you but an atmosphere none the less. But if you thought the Moon was expensive the capital investment required to put some factories and habitations on Mars would be almost as much as we gave to the banks this year and it would take a dozen years at best before you started seeing returns. Over time though it would be very beneficial which is precisely why we won't do it. We would much rather give our money to the banks as that generates campaign contributions nearly immediately sometimes prospectively. From jpr602 at mac.com Sat Aug 15 16:48:45 2009 From: jpr602 at mac.com (John Roberts) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:48:45 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious. In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090815123914.00c5dda0@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090815123914.00c5dda0@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <0A39E99E-924E-4FAD-A521-0E7916868882@mac.com> http://books.google.com/books?id=tyGFoz13idoC&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=zubrin+hydrazine+mars&source=bl&ots=ohdusMt0ma&sig=Zxs8ra53mT2QcjcFOrjAKgXrQZk&hl=en&ei=z0iHSrHBPISCsgOxr7XoAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v =onepage&q=&f=false According to Zubrin, methane/oxygen is the easiest propellant to make on Mars. On Aug 15, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Paul Bogdanich wrote: > >> Step 1: Figure out how to make returning to the moon a profit-making >> enterprise. Government will never do that because government has >> no idea >> how to do anything but *spend* money. > > > No way to do it with the Moon. Mars however is a different story. > The > rovers identified areas where a large portion of the surface soil is > perchlorate. Oxidizer. All we need bring or find is some fuel and > we can > make heat and bricks and water and stuff like that. Also as I > understand > it, Mars could use a little more atmosphere which burning the > perchlorate > would also provide. Not a particularly pleasant atmosphere for the > first > tens of millions of years mind you but an atmosphere none the less. > But if > you thought the Moon was expensive the capital investment required > to put > some factories and habitations on Mars would be almost as much as we > gave > to the banks this year and it would take a dozen years at best > before you > started seeing returns. Over time though it would be very > beneficial which > is precisely why we won't do it. We would much rather give our > money to > the banks as that generates campaign contributions nearly immediately > sometimes prospectively. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sat Aug 15 21:31:27 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:31:27 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious. In-Reply-To: <0A39E99E-924E-4FAD-A521-0E7916868882@mac.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090815123914.00c5dda0@mail.iinet.com> <0A39E99E-924E-4FAD-A521-0E7916868882@mac.com> Message-ID: <4A878B9F.8040703@earthlink.net> How about this? Wickman, J.H, "In-Situ Mars Rocket and Jet Engines Burning Carbon Dioxide", AIAA 99-2409, 35th Joint Propulsion Conference, June 1999. Robert John Roberts wrote: > http://books.google.com/books?id=tyGFoz13idoC&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=zubrin+hydrazine+mars&source=bl&ots=ohdusMt0ma&sig=Zxs8ra53mT2QcjcFOrjAKgXrQZk&hl=en&ei=z0iHSrHBPISCsgOxr7XoAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v > =onepage&q=&f=false > > According to Zubrin, methane/oxygen is the easiest propellant to make > on Mars. > > > > On Aug 15, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Paul Bogdanich wrote: > > >>> Step 1: Figure out how to make returning to the moon a profit-making >>> enterprise. Government will never do that because government has >>> no idea >>> how to do anything but *spend* money. >>> >> No way to do it with the Moon. Mars however is a different story. >> The >> rovers identified areas where a large portion of the surface soil is >> perchlorate. Oxidizer. All we need bring or find is some fuel and >> we can >> make heat and bricks and water and stuff like that. Also as I >> understand >> it, Mars could use a little more atmosphere which burning the >> perchlorate >> would also provide. Not a particularly pleasant atmosphere for the >> first >> tens of millions of years mind you but an atmosphere none the less. >> But if >> you thought the Moon was expensive the capital investment required >> to put >> some factories and habitations on Mars would be almost as much as we >> gave >> to the banks this year and it would take a dozen years at best >> before you >> started seeing returns. Over time though it would be very >> beneficial which >> is precisely why we won't do it. We would much rather give our >> money to >> the banks as that generates campaign contributions nearly immediately >> sometimes prospectively. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sat Aug 15 22:25:39 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:25:39 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious. In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090815123914.00c5dda0@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090815123914.00c5dda0@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <4A879853.7050801@earthlink.net> SpaceX is a for-profit business with its long-term goal of getting to Mars by 2020. Here's an interview clip with Elon Musk. http://fora.tv/2009/04/07/Uber_Entrepreneur_An_Evening_with_Elon_Musk#Elon_Musk_Bets_Manned_Mission_to_Mars_by_2020 You can watch the whole interview titled, "Uber Entrepreneur: An Evening with Elon Musk" at the Churchill Club that occurred on 7APR09. http://fora.tv/2009/04/07/Uber_Entrepreneur_An_Evening_with_Elon_Musk#fullprogram The first half of the program Elon is interviewed about his Tesla Corporation and the future of electric cars. The other half is dedicated to his other company, Space Exploration Company. 12. SpaceX 13. Putting Multiple Engines on Rockets 14. Dragon Spacecraft 15. Juggling Separate Industries 16. Aiming a Space Capsule on Landing 17. Challenge of Escaping Gravity 18. Importance of Going to Mars 19. Solar City 20. Getting the NASA Contract 21. Other Issues and Projects 22. An X-Prize for Batteries Per Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk Space-related activities In 2001, Musk had plans for a "Mars Oasis" project, which would land a miniature experimental greenhouse on Mars, containing food crops growing on Martian regolith.[13][14] He put this project on hold when he discovered that launch costs would dwarf the mission development and construction costs for the project, and decided to work on lowering launch costs by founding SpaceX. His long term goal is that SpaceX helps humanity become a true spacefaring civilization. In 2005, Musk acquired a 10% share of Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd (SSTL), a world leader in the design, manufacture and operation of high-performance small satellites, majority owned by the University of Surrey. That share will be sold as part of the EADS acquisition of SSTL. Latest SpaceX news: SpaceX Falcon 9 inches closer to transporting humans (31JUL09) http://mae.pennnet.com/display_article/367115/32/NEWS/none/none/1/SpaceX-Falcon-9-inches-closer-to-transporting-humans/ Veteran Aerospace Leader Vander Weg Joins SpaceX as Vice President of the EELV Customer Office (5AUG09) http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090805006227&newsLang=en Paul Bogdanich wrote: >> Step 1: Figure out how to make returning to the moon a profit-making >> enterprise. Government will never do that because government has no idea >> how to do anything but *spend* money. >> > > > No way to do it with the Moon. Mars however is a different story. The > rovers identified areas where a large portion of the surface soil is > perchlorate. Oxidizer. All we need bring or find is some fuel and we can > make heat and bricks and water and stuff like that. Also as I understand > it, Mars could use a little more atmosphere which burning the perchlorate > would also provide. Not a particularly pleasant atmosphere for the first > tens of millions of years mind you but an atmosphere none the less. But if > you thought the Moon was expensive the capital investment required to put > some factories and habitations on Mars would be almost as much as we gave > to the banks this year and it would take a dozen years at best before you > started seeing returns. Over time though it would be very beneficial which > is precisely why we won't do it. We would much rather give our money to > the banks as that generates campaign contributions nearly immediately > sometimes prospectively. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Sun Aug 16 00:34:13 2009 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:34:13 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] AD- Sunriver Update........ Message-ID: Greetings all, We plan to attend XPRS, in addition to OROC's Sheridan Launch next month. We will be placing orders with Aerotech and LOKI Research on Tuesday. Please let me know if there is anything you would like to pre-order or have us stock. Look forward to seeing you soon, Enjoy, Bob Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory www.rocketryshop.org From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sun Aug 16 00:36:10 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious. In-Reply-To: <4A878B9F.8040703@earthlink.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090815123914.00c5dda0@mail.iinet.com> <0A39E99E-924E-4FAD-A521-0E7916868882@mac.com> <4A878B9F.8040703@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7d765157c73c0934e07bb2a406a0df14.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> And don't forget about my suggestion that sample return missions from Io use a lithium-sulfur rocket. Zinc won't do, though. ;-) Way back before the dinosaurs, circa 1980, I used my trusty Timex/Sinclair 1000(w/64k memory pack) to examine all the potential propellant combinations of two- and three-element chemicals. Just to make sure I wasn't overlooking anything sort of weird that might be useful in amateur rockets. CO2 oxidized combinations were among the possibilities but didn't meet the ultimate cut for practicality in low-cost amateur rockets. The only combination I ended up actually using was the manganese thermite, Al/MnO2, which makes nice little skyrockets. NASA tends to suffer from a certain degree of intellectual orthodoxy(sometimes expressed as "not invented here"). Most of the really good ideas for how to make the next big push into space are coming from individuals and small companies. Unfortunately, most of the money for space is being eaten up by NASA. +McG+ > How about this? > > Wickman, J.H, "In-Situ Mars Rocket and Jet Engines Burning Carbon > Dioxide", AIAA 99-2409, 35th Joint Propulsion Conference, June 1999. > > Robert > > John Roberts wrote: >> http://books.google.com/books?id=tyGFoz13idoC&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=zubrin+hydrazine+mars&source=bl&ots=ohdusMt0ma&sig=Zxs8ra53mT2QcjcFOrjAKgXrQZk&hl=en&ei=z0iHSrHBPISCsgOxr7XoAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v >> =onepage&q=&f=false >> >> According to Zubrin, methane/oxygen is the easiest propellant to make >> on Mars. >> >> >> >> On Aug 15, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Paul Bogdanich wrote: >> >> >>>> Step 1: Figure out how to make returning to the moon a profit-making >>>> enterprise. Government will never do that because government has >>>> no idea >>>> how to do anything but *spend* money. >>>> >>> No way to do it with the Moon. Mars however is a different story. >>> The >>> rovers identified areas where a large portion of the surface soil is >>> perchlorate. Oxidizer. All we need bring or find is some fuel and >>> we can >>> make heat and bricks and water and stuff like that. Also as I >>> understand >>> it, Mars could use a little more atmosphere which burning the >>> perchlorate >>> would also provide. Not a particularly pleasant atmosphere for the >>> first >>> tens of millions of years mind you but an atmosphere none the less. >>> But if >>> you thought the Moon was expensive the capital investment required >>> to put >>> some factories and habitations on Mars would be almost as much as we >>> gave >>> to the banks this year and it would take a dozen years at best >>> before you >>> started seeing returns. Over time though it would be very >>> beneficial which >>> is precisely why we won't do it. We would much rather give our >>> money to >>> the banks as that generates campaign contributions nearly immediately >>> sometimes prospectively. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sun Aug 16 00:45:46 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious. In-Reply-To: <4A879853.7050801@earthlink.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090815123914.00c5dda0@mail.iinet.com> <4A879853.7050801@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yup. It's extremely revealing to compare the cost-effectiveness of SpaceX and companies like it to the cost-effectiveness of NASA. Now, how much is SpaceX spending on Falcon 9 and how much has NASA already wasted on Aries? :-0 Maybe I could get a contract from NASA to build paper-fuel hybrids using rolls of C-notes for the fuel... +McG+ > SpaceX is a for-profit business with its long-term goal of getting to > Mars by 2020. > Here's an interview clip with Elon Musk. > http://fora.tv/2009/04/07/Uber_Entrepreneur_An_Evening_with_Elon_Musk#Elon_Musk_Bets_Manned_Mission_to_Mars_by_2020 > > You can watch the whole interview titled, "Uber Entrepreneur: An Evening > with Elon Musk" at the > Churchill Club that occurred on 7APR09. > http://fora.tv/2009/04/07/Uber_Entrepreneur_An_Evening_with_Elon_Musk#fullprogram > > The first half of the program Elon is interviewed about his Tesla > Corporation and the future of electric cars. The other half is > dedicated to his other company, Space Exploration Company. > > 12. SpaceX > 13. Putting Multiple Engines on Rockets > 14. Dragon Spacecraft > 15. Juggling Separate Industries > 16. Aiming a Space Capsule on Landing > 17. Challenge of Escaping Gravity > 18. Importance of Going to Mars > 19. Solar City > 20. Getting the NASA Contract > 21. Other Issues and Projects > 22. An X-Prize for Batteries > > > Per Wikipedia: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk > Space-related activities > > In 2001, Musk had plans for a "Mars Oasis" project, which would land a > miniature experimental greenhouse on Mars, containing food crops growing > on Martian regolith.[13][14] He put this project on hold when he > discovered that launch costs would dwarf the mission development and > construction costs for the project, and decided to work on lowering > launch costs by founding SpaceX. His long term goal is that SpaceX helps > humanity become a true spacefaring civilization. > > In 2005, Musk acquired a 10% share of Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd > (SSTL), a world leader in the design, manufacture and operation of > high-performance small satellites, majority owned by the University of > Surrey. That share will be sold as part of the EADS acquisition of SSTL. > > > Latest SpaceX news: > > SpaceX Falcon 9 inches closer to transporting humans (31JUL09) > http://mae.pennnet.com/display_article/367115/32/NEWS/none/none/1/SpaceX-Falcon-9-inches-closer-to-transporting-humans/ > > Veteran Aerospace Leader Vander Weg Joins SpaceX as Vice President of > the EELV Customer Office (5AUG09) > http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090805006227&newsLang=en > > > Paul Bogdanich wrote: >>> Step 1: Figure out how to make returning to the moon a profit-making >>> enterprise. Government will never do that because government has no >>> idea >>> how to do anything but *spend* money. >>> >> >> >> No way to do it with the Moon. Mars however is a different story. The >> rovers identified areas where a large portion of the surface soil is >> perchlorate. Oxidizer. All we need bring or find is some fuel and we >> can >> make heat and bricks and water and stuff like that. Also as I >> understand >> it, Mars could use a little more atmosphere which burning the >> perchlorate >> would also provide. Not a particularly pleasant atmosphere for the >> first >> tens of millions of years mind you but an atmosphere none the less. But >> if >> you thought the Moon was expensive the capital investment required to >> put >> some factories and habitations on Mars would be almost as much as we >> gave >> to the banks this year and it would take a dozen years at best before >> you >> started seeing returns. Over time though it would be very beneficial >> which >> is precisely why we won't do it. We would much rather give our money to >> the banks as that generates campaign contributions nearly immediately >> sometimes prospectively. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Aug 16 07:43:37 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 07:43:37 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious. In-Reply-To: <7d765157c73c0934e07bb2a406a0df14.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090815123914.00c5dda0@mail.iinet.com> <0A39E99E-924E-4FAD-A521-0E7916868882@mac.com> <4A878B9F.8040703@earthlink.net> <7d765157c73c0934e07bb2a406a0df14.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Message-ID: <4A881B19.7060401@earthlink.net> How about boron based propellants? http://www.islandone.org/Launch/boron-sharp-article.htm Robert kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: > And don't forget about my suggestion that sample return missions from Io > use a lithium-sulfur rocket. Zinc won't do, though. ;-) > > Way back before the dinosaurs, circa 1980, I used my trusty Timex/Sinclair > 1000(w/64k memory pack) to examine all the potential propellant > combinations of two- and three-element chemicals. Just to make sure I > wasn't overlooking anything sort of weird that might be useful in amateur > rockets. CO2 oxidized combinations were among the possibilities but > didn't meet the ultimate cut for practicality in low-cost amateur rockets. > The only combination I ended up actually using was the manganese > thermite, Al/MnO2, which makes nice little skyrockets. > > NASA tends to suffer from a certain degree of intellectual > orthodoxy(sometimes expressed as "not invented here"). Most of the really > good ideas for how to make the next big push into space are coming from > individuals and small companies. Unfortunately, most of the money for > space is being eaten up by NASA. > +McG+ > > > >> How about this? >> >> Wickman, J.H, "In-Situ Mars Rocket and Jet Engines Burning Carbon >> Dioxide", AIAA 99-2409, 35th Joint Propulsion Conference, June 1999. >> >> Robert >> >> John Roberts wrote: >> >>> http://books.google.com/books?id=tyGFoz13idoC&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=zubrin+hydrazine+mars&source=bl&ots=ohdusMt0ma&sig=Zxs8ra53mT2QcjcFOrjAKgXrQZk&hl=en&ei=z0iHSrHBPISCsgOxr7XoAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v >>> =onepage&q=&f=false >>> >>> According to Zubrin, methane/oxygen is the easiest propellant to make >>> on Mars. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Paul Bogdanich wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Step 1: Figure out how to make returning to the moon a profit-making >>>>> enterprise. Government will never do that because government has >>>>> no idea >>>>> how to do anything but *spend* money. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> No way to do it with the Moon. Mars however is a different story. >>>> The >>>> rovers identified areas where a large portion of the surface soil is >>>> perchlorate. Oxidizer. All we need bring or find is some fuel and >>>> we can >>>> make heat and bricks and water and stuff like that. Also as I >>>> understand >>>> it, Mars could use a little more atmosphere which burning the >>>> perchlorate >>>> would also provide. Not a particularly pleasant atmosphere for the >>>> first >>>> tens of millions of years mind you but an atmosphere none the less. >>>> But if >>>> you thought the Moon was expensive the capital investment required >>>> to put >>>> some factories and habitations on Mars would be almost as much as we >>>> gave >>>> to the banks this year and it would take a dozen years at best >>>> before you >>>> started seeing returns. Over time though it would be very >>>> beneficial which >>>> is precisely why we won't do it. We would much rather give our >>>> money to >>>> the banks as that generates campaign contributions nearly immediately >>>> sometimes prospectively. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rockets mailing list >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > > > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Aug 16 07:52:54 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 07:52:54 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious. In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090815123914.00c5dda0@mail.iinet.com> <4A879853.7050801@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4A881D46.1010304@earthlink.net> I know SpaceX charges its customers between $6-$8 million for lofting satellites into LEO versus NASA which charges about $30-$40 for the same service. According to this Wiki entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9 it says: At an appearance in May 2004 before the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, Elon Musk testified, "Long term plans call for development of a heavy lift product and even a super-heavy, if there is customer demand. [...] Ultimately, I believe $500 per pound [of payload delivered to orbit] or less is very achievable."[7] SpaceX formally announced the Falcon 9 on 2005-09-08, describing it as being a "fully reusable heavy lift launch vehicle."[8] A Falcon 9 medium was described as being capable of launching approximately 21,000 lb (9,500 kg) to low Earth orbit, priced at $27 million per flight ($1286/lb). Is that cheap enough for ya? Robert kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: > Yup. It's extremely revealing to compare the cost-effectiveness of SpaceX > and companies like it to the cost-effectiveness of NASA. > > Now, how much is SpaceX spending on Falcon 9 and how much has NASA already > wasted on Aries? :-0 > > Maybe I could get a contract from NASA to build paper-fuel hybrids using > rolls of C-notes for the fuel... > +McG+ > > > >> SpaceX is a for-profit business with its long-term goal of getting to >> Mars by 2020. >> Here's an interview clip with Elon Musk. >> http://fora.tv/2009/04/07/Uber_Entrepreneur_An_Evening_with_Elon_Musk#Elon_Musk_Bets_Manned_Mission_to_Mars_by_2020 >> >> You can watch the whole interview titled, "Uber Entrepreneur: An Evening >> with Elon Musk" at the >> Churchill Club that occurred on 7APR09. >> http://fora.tv/2009/04/07/Uber_Entrepreneur_An_Evening_with_Elon_Musk#fullprogram >> >> The first half of the program Elon is interviewed about his Tesla >> Corporation and the future of electric cars. The other half is >> dedicated to his other company, Space Exploration Company. >> >> 12. SpaceX >> 13. Putting Multiple Engines on Rockets >> 14. Dragon Spacecraft >> 15. Juggling Separate Industries >> 16. Aiming a Space Capsule on Landing >> 17. Challenge of Escaping Gravity >> 18. Importance of Going to Mars >> 19. Solar City >> 20. Getting the NASA Contract >> 21. Other Issues and Projects >> 22. An X-Prize for Batteries >> >> >> Per Wikipedia: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk >> Space-related activities >> >> In 2001, Musk had plans for a "Mars Oasis" project, which would land a >> miniature experimental greenhouse on Mars, containing food crops growing >> on Martian regolith.[13][14] He put this project on hold when he >> discovered that launch costs would dwarf the mission development and >> construction costs for the project, and decided to work on lowering >> launch costs by founding SpaceX. His long term goal is that SpaceX helps >> humanity become a true spacefaring civilization. >> >> In 2005, Musk acquired a 10% share of Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd >> (SSTL), a world leader in the design, manufacture and operation of >> high-performance small satellites, majority owned by the University of >> Surrey. That share will be sold as part of the EADS acquisition of SSTL. >> >> >> Latest SpaceX news: >> >> SpaceX Falcon 9 inches closer to transporting humans (31JUL09) >> http://mae.pennnet.com/display_article/367115/32/NEWS/none/none/1/SpaceX-Falcon-9-inches-closer-to-transporting-humans/ >> >> Veteran Aerospace Leader Vander Weg Joins SpaceX as Vice President of >> the EELV Customer Office (5AUG09) >> http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090805006227&newsLang=en >> >> >> Paul Bogdanich wrote: >> >>>> Step 1: Figure out how to make returning to the moon a profit-making >>>> enterprise. Government will never do that because government has no >>>> idea >>>> how to do anything but *spend* money. >>>> >>>> >>> No way to do it with the Moon. Mars however is a different story. The >>> rovers identified areas where a large portion of the surface soil is >>> perchlorate. Oxidizer. All we need bring or find is some fuel and we >>> can >>> make heat and bricks and water and stuff like that. Also as I >>> understand >>> it, Mars could use a little more atmosphere which burning the >>> perchlorate >>> would also provide. Not a particularly pleasant atmosphere for the >>> first >>> tens of millions of years mind you but an atmosphere none the less. But >>> if >>> you thought the Moon was expensive the capital investment required to >>> put >>> some factories and habitations on Mars would be almost as much as we >>> gave >>> to the banks this year and it would take a dozen years at best before >>> you >>> started seeing returns. Over time though it would be very beneficial >>> which >>> is precisely why we won't do it. We would much rather give our money to >>> the banks as that generates campaign contributions nearly immediately >>> sometimes prospectively. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > > > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Aug 16 08:11:09 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:11:09 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Solar Fest rocket launch TODAY Message-ID: <4A88218D.4090900@earthlink.net> The Solar Fest rocket launch starts today at 10:00am and goes 'til 6:00pm at 60 Acres Park. It will be on the north field if soccer games aren't occurring. The south field will be the alternate in case of such. If you have any questions please call me at 206.371.0907. Robert From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 11:35:43 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Leaving Hobby, Suff for sale In-Reply-To: <687486.96230.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <259877.19293.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <477900.68861.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <793036.72011.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <687486.96230.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <107560.12856.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Found some more stuff to ad to the list. I'm sure someone can use this stuff. :o) Modified list. Old laptop computer with XP os,?RockSim 7.0 and?PerfectFlite software. 12v launch control with battery box all in one unit Terry M's book Experimental Composite Propellants with disk ? Binder Design ? Devastator two stage New never flown booster and sustainer. Awsome interstage coupler out of polished aluminum. $285 Loc-P ? Aura? ?flown once with Binder retainer? $25 ? Weasel? Flown once with Binder retainer? $35 ? Now for the small stuff, TLP ? Standard ARM kit in bag $30 Edmonds ? Ecee in bag $10 Art Applewhite saucers ? 6" Delta (18mm) in bag $10 ? 38mm standard saucer built? $20 Estes rockets built; ? Stormcaster, plywood fins through the wall. $5 ? Big Daddy stock $10 ? AstroCam old with film $10 ? AstroBeam Night launch rocket working with batteries $10 Estes kits not built ? Exoskell $5 ? Star Wars X wing glider $? ? Klingon Battle Cruiser $? ? USS Enterprise $? ? Outlander $15 ? ? Scratch Built ? ? 29mm Saucer fiberglassed with carbon fiber cross Never flown $25 ? 38mm 13" saucer Fiberglass with carbon fiber cross and internal struts Never flown $45 ??? Molds, wax and PVA for above $50 ? Other stuff ? Kitchenaid mixer very little use and needs beaters 5+qt? $70 ? Plus I have other stuff like tubes and such that I will just give if asked.? ? Thanks again, ? John Hornsby III __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- Found some more stuff to ad to the list. I'm sure someone can use this stuff. :o) Modified list. ? Old laptop computer with XP os,?RockSim 7.0 and?PerfectFlite software. ? 12v launch control with battery box all in one unit ? Terry M's book Experimental Composite Propellants with disk ? Binder Design ? Devastator two stage New never flown booster and sustainer. Awsome interstage coupler out of polished aluminum. $285 Loc-P ? Aura? ?flown once with Binder retainer? $25 ? Weasel? Flown once with Binder retainer? $35 ? Now for the small stuff, TLP ? Standard ARM kit in bag $30 Edmonds ? Ecee in bag $10 Art Applewhite saucers ? 6" Delta (18mm) in bag $10 ? 38mm standard saucer built? $20 Estes rockets built; ? Stormcaster, plywood fins through the wall. $5 ? Big Daddy stock $10 ? AstroCam old with film $10 ? AstroBeam Night launch rocket working with batteries $10 Estes kits not built ? Exoskell $5 ? Star Wars X wing glider $? ? Klingon Battle Cruiser $? ? USS Enterprise $? ? Outlander $15 ? ? Scratch Built ? ? 29mm Saucer fiberglassed with carbon fiber cross Never flown $25 ? 38mm 13" saucer Fiberglass with carbon fiber cross and internal struts Never flown $45 ??? Molds, wax and PVA for above $50 ? Other stuff ? Kitchenaid mixer very little use and needs beaters 5+qt? $70 ? Plus I have other stuff like tubes and such that I will just give if asked.? ? Thanks again, ? John Hornsby III __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fred at azinger.com Sun Aug 16 19:00:14 2009 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:00:14 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert EX images uploaded Message-ID: <023001ca1ede$763861e0$62a925a0$@com> WE had light attendance, but a great launch....details to follow... I posted a few images. FredA -------------- next part -------------- WE had light attendance, but a great launch....details to follow... I posted a few images. FredA From t.j.doll at att.net Sun Aug 16 20:32:41 2009 From: t.j.doll at att.net (t.j.doll at att.net) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:32:41 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] BT101 Message-ID: <081720090332.16178.4A88CF58000EC79300003F3222230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> I managed to lawndart my Estes Maxi-Brute during today's launch at 60 Acres. The fins/boattail/engine mount and nose cone are readily salvagable, but it pretty much toasted that big BT101 body tube. So, does anyone know of a good source for a length of BT101 size body tube (short of calling Estes and begging?). TIA Tim -------------- next part -------------- I managed to lawndart my Estes Maxi-Brute during today's launch at 60 Acres. ? The fins/boattail/engine mount and nose cone are readily salvagable, but it pretty much toasted that big BT101 body tube. ? So, does anyone know of a good source for a length of BT101 size body tube (short of calling Estes and begging?). ? TIA ? Tim From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Aug 16 20:56:07 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:56:07 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] BT101 and Solar Fest launch In-Reply-To: <081720090332.16178.4A88CF58000EC79300003F3222230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> References: <081720090332.16178.4A88CF58000EC79300003F3222230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Message-ID: <4A88D4D7.6000109@earthlink.net> Thanks for coming out to the launch and every one else who made it there. Attendance was light with about 10 to 12 attending but I'm not sure exactly how many flights occurred. September Skies is tentatively scheduled for 13SEP09. Since the set parachute duration contest did not have any takers this time around we will go ahead and reschedule it for this coming launch with the egg lofting competition rolling over to the October launch. As for BT-101 airframe tubing you will find it at Uncle Mike's Rocket Shack http://www.unclemikesrocketshack.com/Parts/Body_Tubes/Body_Tubes.html and Semroc. http://www.semroc.com/Store/Products/BodyTubes.asp Robert t.j.doll at att.net wrote: > I managed to lawndart my Estes Maxi-Brute during today's launch at 60 Acres. > ? > The fins/boattail/engine mount and nose cone are readily salvagable, but it pretty much toasted that big BT101 body tube. > ? > So, does anyone know of a good source for a length of BT101 size body tube (short of calling Estes and begging?). > ? > TIA > ? > Tim > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Sun Aug 16 21:09:46 2009 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:09:46 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] BT101 In-Reply-To: <081720090332.16178.4A88CF58000EC79300003F3222230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> References: <081720090332.16178.4A88CF58000EC79300003F3222230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Message-ID: <4A88D80A.9080408@hawkfeather.com> Totally Tubular is *the* source for clone tubes: http://www.wooshrocketry.org/misc/tt.htm There's also one on eBay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/Estes-BT-101-Body-Tube-18%22-In-Length_W0QQitemZ250483094426QQ Andrew. t.j.doll at att.net wrote: > I managed to lawndart my Estes Maxi-Brute during today's launch at 60 Acres. > ? > The fins/boattail/engine mount and nose cone are readily salvagable, but it pretty much toasted that big BT101 body tube. > ? > So, does anyone know of a good source for a length of BT101 size body tube (short of calling Estes and begging?). > ? > TIA > ? > Tim > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From rocfish74 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 17 05:37:33 2009 From: rocfish74 at hotmail.com (Mark Lyons) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:37:33 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] BT101 In-Reply-To: <081720090332.16178.4A88CF58000EC79300003F3222230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> References: <081720090332.16178.4A88CF58000EC79300003F3222230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF0404010BD206D29B@att.net> Message-ID: Totally Tubular, Appogee..... > From: t.j.doll at att.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:32:41 +0000 > Subject: [RocketsNW] BT101 > > I managed to lawndart my Estes Maxi-Brute during today's launch at 60 Acres. > > The fins/boattail/engine mount and nose cone are readily salvagable, but it pretty much toasted that big BT101 body tube. > > So, does anyone know of a good source for a length of BT101 size body tube (short of calling Estes and begging?). > > TIA > > Tim _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 -------------- next part -------------- Totally Tubular, Appogee..... ? > From: t.j.doll at att.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:32:41 +0000 > Subject: [RocketsNW] BT101 > > I managed to lawndart my Estes Maxi-Brute during today's launch at 60 Acres. > > The fins/boattail/engine mount and nose cone are readily salvagable, but it pretty much toasted that big BT101 body tube. > > So, does anyone know of a good source for a length of BT101 size body tube (short of calling Estes and begging?). > > TIA > > Tim Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 Find out more. From fred.azinger at intel.com Mon Aug 17 09:58:23 2009 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:58:23 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Extreme Launch Report....... Message-ID: Thought I'd pound this out quick and get it posted.....sorry if my memory was fuzzy or I missed a name or cool rocket....... OROC's Desert Extreme was this past weekend. I headed out Thursday night with the hope of seeing some meteors as a bonus. Gabe and I arrived about 9PM, already on sight was Tsolo and Bob Welsh. We parked and did minimal unpacking and got out our chairs to watch.... We saw a few meteors, but after about 20 minutes in the wind, despite wearing winter coats and hats, we were too cold and turned in. ....it got below freezing that night. Friday was cloudy and cold in the morning. The cloud deck started to break up about noon allowing higher flying. A few more people straggled in over the day, but not many. As it ended up, Brent Rowe and I were the only ones there to fly EX. Good thing the rules changes to allow commercial motors, or this would have been a very sparse launch. Overall attendance was light -- I'd say there were maybe 8 camp sights with a few extra daily drivers. I have to give the BORG guys some crap -- I guess it was too far to drive as none came except Warren who came with show & tell parts for me to inspect for his L3 progress. And we did have one person, who shall remain nameless, who drove in to see the Q fly -- shame on you Bob..... Lloyd and Kenzie where there and were busy with G's and the occasional H from start to finish -- filling in the middle of the motor ladder. Tsolo was doing his usual BP clusters with mixed results. His cool motors in the front and back rocket was shortened when he failed to get the fronts lit and thus didn't deploy. I launched my Comp-3 on a 5G54 L-1200 Furple for a nice up and down and an easy beeline shag. It was good to get that done as I needed the case cleared out for Balls as it is one of the three airstart motors we use on Hardtail. Gabe was rocket-challenged and only had his PML Hydra to fly -- a QT-based kit with too many thin fins, one of which has a serious warp. This was "rip the fins off" weekend for Gabe. He started on a I-211, then a Loki J-396 sparky (at dusk) followed on Saturday by a J350 then a J570. I must say the fins held tough despite flying larger and larger corkscrews in the sky. I told him he now needs to talk to Mike Fisher for the next motor. ;-) Gabe flew the Loki Sparky at dusk which was cool, especially with the cork-screw. Lloyd followed that up about 9:30 with a night flight of the same motor that was way cool. Good thing I loaned him a beeline for that flight as it was further out then we guessed and the bee turned what could have been a long search into an easy shag in the dark. Cameron Tinder came in Saturday, driving down from Washington with a beautifly prepared Jayhawk in the brightest orange paint I've seen. He was there to do his L2 cert in style with a K-550. He slowly prepped, waiting for his brother to join the group and late in the afternoon he was ready. The boost was very nice -- very little spin. However as we all know the up part is the easy part and Murphy was there to bite Cameron. Despite careful prep, Cameron made one mistake and cross-wired his apogee and low-alt channels.... The Jayhawk came back ballistic and tried to deploy at low altitude while screaming toward the ground. Fortunately, his hand laid CF airframe was super tough and survived with little damage. He has nice on-board video too. We reviewed the video in the field and you could hear his home-made tethers fire at apogee instead of the deployment charge. He said he would post the video, so watch the image gallery. Brent came with a couple of rockets, but his Comp-4 was the EX mule. For his first flight, he took one of my FBHP 3G75 L-1500's and had a really nice boost to about 12k. It landed about out at the base of the hills to the east and the beeline I had loaned him could be heard from camp so it was an relatively easy shag. Once back, he recycled it and flew his own 3G75 of a formula he called "smoky blue." This too was a nice flight and easy shag. I don't recall the exact altitudes from the flights, but do remember that my motor pulled another 1k in altitude over his and gave Brent his highest flight ever. ;-D I flew my #3 Pencil on a 3G75 L-900 of my latest (v6) FSG formula. It was a nice boost with nearly 7 second burn time which was perfect for the minimum diameter rocket. This flight disappeared into the blue sky and nobody saw the return. Fortunately I had a good line from the beeline before it landed and Gabe and I headed out to search. We drove down the road to west until it started to turn north. At that point I could sniff a little signal and we headed out on foot. The rocket was over a mile out due west from the pad. There was no way I would have guess that it went that far. Rack up another great "save" due to the beeline. Unlucky for my, the NC hit a rock and cracked due (AGAIN!) due to the pound of nose weight required for a Concept fincan rocket from Curtis -- a tricky kit that will pinwheel or cone with ease. So that was a one-flight NC.....darn Murphy. I started to prep my Comp-3 for another flight, but the winds started to pick up so I left it near-ready for Sunday. David Holloway and Jack came out to fly David's "Big Country." This would be the rockets second flight. This weekend it was going up on a Loki L-1482 and airstarting 2 38mm J's of some flavor. Unfortunately for David, he would have the only CATO of the weekend. At the end of the countdown, when the button was pressed, there was one giant chuff followed by a few seconds of smoke, then the rocket deployed followed by vigorous flames everywhere out the top and bottom. The motor section just sat on the pad and burned....we ran out when it died down to inspect what happened. Post mortem looks like he didn't seat the forward snap ring and the chuff pushed out the closure with so little force that it didn't go ballistic and plow into the EBay above as is the usual case....it was just sitting inside the top of the anti-zipper chamber. The rail was melted and the rocket will need some re-work and new paint, but it will fly again. Nice irony that the only motor issue this weekend was with a commercial motor...... Sunday we woke to perfect flying weather....cloudless skies and zero winds..... finally got to wear some shorts and a tee-shirt.... The waiver opened at 8:30 and I had my Comp-3 on the pad. I woke up those still sleeping with a perfect boost on a 4G54 K-900 Furple. The up part was flawless. However I've had deployment issues with the main. I was NC challenged this weekend. I damaged the NC on the #3 pencil two launches ago in June. In a last minute decision, I decided I wanted to fly some 75mm and needed to fix the NC. So, in typical rocketeer form, I was working on the new NC right up to just hours before leaving Portland....and of course it didn't fit. Not sure what is going on, but I've had a lot of fit issues with PR parts of late....seems he has more than one diameter 3" mandrel and parts are not interchangeable..... I couldn't get the NC to fit, so I stole the one from my Comp-3 and proceeded to damage it and now needed to make the new NC fit the Comp-3. We sanded by hand for a while and got nowhere. Brent suggested we chuck the center all-thread into a drill and turned the NC like on a lathe sanding the based. This worked and soon the NC fit. We had to remove nearly all of the gel-coat the size was so far wrong and slight out of round ....but it seemed to fit ok....but obviously not smooth enough, as the rocket failed to push off the NC when the charges (two) fired and we watched the rocket come in hard on the streamer just behind the flight line. At the last instance, the two parts bunched together just as they stuck the ground -- the upper section sticking in the ground like a dart and then the fin section sliced the top of the EBay off and tearing out a fin in the process.... Murphy is a bastard.... lots of work to fix the Comp-3. That was the end of flying for me. We packed Gabe up and got him rolling a little after 10AM . I hung till noon will Lloyd lobbed up a bunch of G & H flights. We closed the waiver at noon and headed out. Overall a nice launch. We had 23 flights recorded and I know I am missing a couple. Motor distribution was skewed since Tsolo was cluster happy this weekend.... C=12; D=4; E=4; F=0; G=3; H=1; J=7; K=2; L=4 I did find OROC's big T-wrench for the pads and I'll get that to Bob, but nothing else was found and I don't think any rockets were lost this weekend. Fun times in the sage. Next stop, the playa -- tons of work to do between now and then. Cheers, FredA -------------- next part -------------- Thought I'd pound this out quick?and get it posted.....sorry if my memory was fuzzy or I missed a name or cool rocket....... ? ? OROC's Desert Extreme was this past weekend. I headed out Thursday night with the hope of seeing some meteors as a bonus. Gabe and I arrived about 9PM, already on sight was Tsolo and Bob Welsh. We parked and did minimal unpacking and got out our chairs to watch.... We saw a few meteors, but after about 20 minutes in the wind, despite wearing winter coats and hats, we were too cold and turned in. ?....it got below freezing that night.? ? Friday was cloudy and cold in the morning. The cloud deck started to break up about noon allowing higher flying. A few more people straggled in over the day, but not many. ? As it ended up, Brent Rowe and I were the only ones there to fly EX. Good thing the rules changes to allow commercial motors, or this would have been a very sparse launch. ? Overall attendance was light -- I'd say there were maybe 8 camp sights?with a few extra?daily?drivers. I have to give the BORG guys some crap -- I guess it was too far to drive as none came except Warren?who came with show & tell parts for me to inspect for his?L3 progress.? And we did have one person, who shall remain nameless, who drove in to see the Q fly -- shame on you Bob..... ? Lloyd and Kenzie where there and?were busy with G's and the occasional?H from start to finish -- filling in the middle of the?motor ladder. Tsolo was doing his usual BP clusters with mixed results. His cool motors in the front and back rocket was shortened when?he?failed to get the fronts lit and thus didn't deploy. ? I launched my Comp-3 on a 5G54 L-1200 Furple for a nice up and down ?and an easy beeline shag. It was good to get that done as I needed the case cleared out for Balls as it is one of the three airstart motors we use on Hardtail. ? Gabe was rocket-challenged and only had his PML Hydra to fly -- a QT-based kit with too many thin fins, one of which has a serious warp.? This was "rip the fins off" weekend for Gabe.? He started on a I-211, then a Loki J-396 sparky (at dusk) followed on Saturday by a J350 then a J570.? I must say the fins held tough despite flying ?larger and larger corkscrews in the sky.? I told him he now needs to talk to Mike Fisher for the next motor. ;-) ? ? Gabe flew the?Loki Sparky at dusk which was cool, especially with the cork-screw.???Lloyd followed that up about 9:30 with a night flight of the same motor that was way cool.? Good thing I loaned him a beeline for that flight as it was?further out?then we guessed and the bee turned?what could have been a long search into an easy shag in the dark. ? Cameron Tinder came? in Saturday, driving? down from Washington with a beautif l y prepared Jayhawk in the brightest orange paint I've seen.? He was there to do his L2 cert in style with a K-550.? He slowly prepped, waiting for his? ?b rother to join the group and late in the afternoon he was ready.? The boost was very nice -- very little spin.? However as we all know the up part is the easy part and Murphy was there to bite Cameron.? Despite careful prep, Cameron made on e? mistake and cross-wired his apogee and low-alt channels....? The Jayhawk came back ballistic and tried to deploy at low altitude while screaming toward the ground.?? ?Fortunately, his hand laid CF airframe was super tough and survived with little damage.? He has nice on-board video too.? We ?reviewed? the video? in the field and you could hear his home-made tethers fire at apogee instead of the deployment charge.? He said he would post the video, so watch the image gallery. ? Brent came with a couple of rockets, but his Comp-4 was the EX mule.? F o r his first flight, he took one of my FBHP 3G75 L-1500's and had a really nice boost to about 12k.? It landed about out at the base of the hills to the east and the beeline I had loaned him could be heard from camp so it was an relatively easy shag. ??Once back, he recycled it and flew his own 3G75 of a formula he called "smoky blue."? This too was a nice flight and easy shag.? I don't recall the exact altitudes from the flights, but do remember that my motor pulled another 1k in altitude ? over his and?gave?Brent his?highest flight ever.? ? ;-D ? I flew my #3 Pencil on a 3G75 L-900 of my latest (v6) FSG formula. ??It was a nice boost with nearly 7 second burn time which was perfect for the minimum diameter rocket.?? This flight disappeared into the blue sky and nobody saw the return.? Fortunately I had a good line from the beeline before it landed and Gabe and I headed out to search.? We drove down the road to west until it started to turn north.? At that point I could sniff a little signal and we headed out on foot.? The rocket was over a mile out due west from the pad.? There was no way I would have guess that it went that far.? Rack up another great "save" due to the beeline.? Unlucky for my, the NC hit a rock and cracked due? ?(AGAIN!) due? to the pound ? of nose weight required for a? ?Concept fincan rocket from Curtis --?a tricky?kit that will pinwheel or cone with ease . ?? So that was a one-flight NC.....darn Murphy.? ? I started to prep my Comp-3 for another flight, but the winds started to pick up so I left it near-ready for Sunday. ? David Holloway and Jack came out to fly David's "Big Country."?? This would be the rockets second flight.? This weekend it was going up on a Loki L-1482 and airstarting 2 38mm J's of some flavor.? Unfortunately for David, he would have the only CATO of the weekend.? At the end of the countdown, when the button was pressed, there was one giant chuff followed by a few seconds of smoke, then the rocket deployed followed by vigorous flames everywhere out the top and bottom.? The motor section just sat on the pad and burned....we ran out when it died down to inspect what happened.? Post mortem looks like he didn't seat the forward snap ring and the chuff pushed out the closure with so little force that it didn't go ballistic and plow into the EBay above as is the usual case....it was just sitting inside the top of the anti-zipper chamber.? The rail was melted and the rocket will need some re-work and new paint, but it will fly again.? ??Nice irony that the only motor issue this weekend was with a commercial motor...... ? Sunday we woke to perfect flying weather....cloudless skies and zero winds..... ? finally got to wear some shorts and a tee-shirt.... The waiver opened at 8:30 and I had my Comp-3 on the pad. I woke up those still sleeping with a perfect boost on a 4G54 K-900 Furple.? The up part was flawless.? However I've had deployment issues with the main.? I was NC challenged this weekend.? I damaged the NC on the #3 pencil two launches ago in June.? In a last minute decision, I decided I wanted to fly some 75mm and needed to fix the NC.? So, in typical rocketeer form, I was working on the new NC right up to just hours before leaving Portland....and of course it didn't fit.?? Not sure what is going on, but I've had a lot of fit issues with PR parts of late....seems he has more than one diameter 3" mandrel and parts are not interchangeable..... I couldn't get the NC to fit, so I stole the one from my Comp-3 and proceeded to damage it and now needed to make the new NC fit the Comp-3.? We sanded by hand for a while and got nowhere.?? ?Brent suggested we chuck the center all-thread into a drill and turned the NC like on a lathe sanding the based.? This worked and soon the NC fit.? We had to remove nearly all of the gel-coat the size was so far wrong ? and slight out of round? ....but it seemed to fit ok....but obviously not smooth enough, as the rocket failed to push off the NC when the charges (two) fired and we watched the rocket come in hard on the streamer just behind the flight line.? At the last instance, the two parts bunched together just as they stuck the ground -- the upper section sticking in the ground like a dart and then the fin section sliced the top of the EBay off and tearing out a fin in the process....? Murphy is a bastard....? lots of work to fix the Comp-3. ? That was the end of flying for me.? We packed Gabe up and got him rolling ? a little after 10AM? .? I hung till noon will Lloyd lobbed up a bunch of G & H flights.? We closed the waiver at noon and headed out. ? Overall a nice launch. We had 23 flights recorded and I know I am missing a couple. Motor distribution was skewed since Tsolo was cluster happy this weekend.... C=12; D=4; E=4; F=0; G=3; H=1; J=7; K=2; L=4 I did find OROC's? big?T- wrench for the pads and I'll get that to Bob , but nothing else was found and I don't think any rockets were lost this weekend. ? Fun times in the sage. Next stop, the playa -- tons of work to do between now and then. Cheers, FredA ? ? ? ? From dmrandall at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 11:31:50 2009 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:31:50 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Solar Fest launch report Message-ID: <6bc920e40908171131g66616c6el5b89256e934194fe@mail.gmail.com> This weekend's Solar Fest launch was held with wonderful weather, a wide open field, and clear skies above. Total spectators and flyers by my count was 20. Flyer count was 6 people. We had a good range of motors from A10-4 up through G67 Redline. I think we covered every motor letter in with at least two flights. I took out three rockets to fly, my Estes Patriot Payloader, a Madcow Phoenix and an Art Applewhite 29mm saucer. The Patriot continues to be my workhorse model rocket. I got another three good flights from it this Sunday. - Flight one on an D9 - 312' altitude according to the Alt-15K - Flight two on an F12 - 1,581' according to the Alt-15K - Flight three on an F12 - 1,488' according to the Alt-15K I tried several times to get the Phoenix up on an E18 motor. Try as I did (4 times), the motor wouldn't light. By the last time, the propellant was coated and probably wouldn't light without scraping. Back in the bin for another day. Thanks to Mark for giving me a few bigger ignitors to try and get it in the air. All three Patriot flights were recovered to the South with both high altitude flights landing in the South field. The Madcow Phoenix experienced a 'crowd pleasing' display of what happens when CG is behind CP. Oops. Time to fill the balsa nose with lead shot. The saucer made two nice flights on the G67 redline in a 29mm/120 case. I love the echo of the motor roar through the valley there at 60 acres! Second flight saw an off-kilter landing that ding'ed up the cardboard. My son says 'fiberglass it'... Other flights - Tim - Tim sadly saw two nice larger sized kits auger in. The Estes Maxi-Brute V-2 did what it does best, and his Pershing was just simply underpowered on an E motor. Tim brought out a nice sampling of scale kits and flew them, two of my favorites were the Estes Titan IIIE and the Nike Ajax. I think the Ajax is in need of upscaling... Muahahaha. Mark - Mark just seemed to hit his timing just right. Lots of great model flights all around. Thomas - Thomas and his son were there with a few Estes kits, and flew an 18mm reload D motor. There were a few model flyers over on the South field. I invited them over, yet no one took me up and kept flying on the South field. Other spectators included a neighbor of mine who was curious what this hobby was all about, a flyer who'd been at a cub scout launch and was interested in coming down later in the afternoon with his daughter, a couple who knew rockets from the '70's, but were merely chatting and 'catching up' on current technology and several spouses and kids (and a few dogs). -- - Dave From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com Mon Aug 17 11:44:00 2009 From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:44:00 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Solar Fest launch report In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40908171131g66616c6el5b89256e934194fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bc920e40908171131g66616c6el5b89256e934194fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121FA4@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> Thanks for taking time to write a launch report, Dave. Once again it offers me a chance to reminice of the days of old out at Monroe. The same echo was heard when the air was still out there. steve -----Original Message----- From: Dave Randall [mailto:dmrandall at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:32 AM To: Rockets NW list Subject: [RocketsNW] Solar Fest launch report This weekend's Solar Fest launch was held with wonderful weather, a wide open field, and clear skies above. Total spectators and flyers by my count was 20. Flyer count was 6 people. We had a good range of motors from A10-4 up through G67 Redline. I think we covered every motor letter in with at least two flights. I took out three rockets to fly, my Estes Patriot Payloader, a Madcow Phoenix and an Art Applewhite 29mm saucer. The Patriot continues to be my workhorse model rocket. I got another three good flights from it this Sunday. - Flight one on an D9 - 312' altitude according to the Alt-15K - Flight two on an F12 - 1,581' according to the Alt-15K - Flight three on an F12 - 1,488' according to the Alt-15K I tried several times to get the Phoenix up on an E18 motor. Try as I did (4 times), the motor wouldn't light. By the last time, the propellant was coated and probably wouldn't light without scraping. Back in the bin for another day. Thanks to Mark for giving me a few bigger ignitors to try and get it in the air. All three Patriot flights were recovered to the South with both high altitude flights landing in the South field. The Madcow Phoenix experienced a 'crowd pleasing' display of what happens when CG is behind CP. Oops. Time to fill the balsa nose with lead shot. The saucer made two nice flights on the G67 redline in a 29mm/120 case. I love the echo of the motor roar through the valley there at 60 acres! Second flight saw an off-kilter landing that ding'ed up the cardboard. My son says 'fiberglass it'... Other flights - Tim - Tim sadly saw two nice larger sized kits auger in. The Estes Maxi-Brute V-2 did what it does best, and his Pershing was just simply underpowered on an E motor. Tim brought out a nice sampling of scale kits and flew them, two of my favorites were the Estes Titan IIIE and the Nike Ajax. I think the Ajax is in need of upscaling... Muahahaha. Mark - Mark just seemed to hit his timing just right. Lots of great model flights all around. Thomas - Thomas and his son were there with a few Estes kits, and flew an 18mm reload D motor. There were a few model flyers over on the South field. I invited them over, yet no one took me up and kept flying on the South field. Other spectators included a neighbor of mine who was curious what this hobby was all about, a flyer who'd been at a cub scout launch and was interested in coming down later in the afternoon with his daughter, a couple who knew rockets from the '70's, but were merely chatting and 'catching up' on current technology and several spouses and kids (and a few dogs). -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From dmrandall at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 11:49:42 2009 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:49:42 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching at 60 acres Message-ID: <6bc920e40908171149l6f4570b3v85f734a5120f30d2@mail.gmail.com> Since I've been at most of the 60 acres sport launches, I have had several discussions with folks about LWYSA and 60 Acres' status as far as sailplanes and rocketry goes. I hear a lot of griping about the LWYSA decision (I've even griped about it myself), which got me thinking. Over the past year, there have been the following announced launches: Recent launches have even had on-site vendor support and contests. Solar Fest, Aug 16 Summer Thunder, July 26 Fathers Day Fun Fly, June 21 Spring Fever, April 12 Leprechaun's Leap, March 15 Thawed out Thunder, Feb 21 Frozen Thunder, Jan 18 Frost and Fire, Dec 21, 08 That's one a month (not sure about May though - probably skipped in lieu of FITS). Additionally, I swing by there whenever I can and often see folks flying there on either the N or S fields. TARC practices have been there too. So, separate from the LWYSA outcome, the reality is that we can and have made it work to fly Class 1 rockets at 60 Acres. Yesterday, there were soccer players over on the West end of the North field - we were able to fly quite successfully, even with a portion of the field in use. So, my point is basically this... 60 acres is still very viable at this point for flying, even if it requires a bit of coordination to get a weekend date that's available without soccer tournaments. I'm not sure how the fall soccer season will shape up, but I'm optimistic. Now... if we can just find a mid/high power field on the wet side of the mountains... -- - Dave From ac_blakbyrd at hotmail.com Mon Aug 17 12:21:13 2009 From: ac_blakbyrd at hotmail.com (Bill Girton) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:21:13 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching at 60 acres In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40908171149l6f4570b3v85f734a5120f30d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bc920e40908171149l6f4570b3v85f734a5120f30d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Sorry to bother but I get this mail all the time and I saw your post and had a question. What about the new fields they are building in Monroe? behind Frylands Elementary school? Does anyone know about that and if it is an option? Thanks Bill > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:49:42 -0700 > From: dmrandall at gmail.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching at 60 acres > > Since I've been at most of the 60 acres sport launches, I have had > several discussions with folks about LWYSA and 60 Acres' status as far > as sailplanes and rocketry goes. I hear a lot of griping about the > LWYSA decision (I've even griped about it myself), which got me > thinking. Over the past year, there have been the following announced > launches: Recent launches have even had on-site vendor support and > contests. > > Solar Fest, Aug 16 > Summer Thunder, July 26 > Fathers Day Fun Fly, June 21 > Spring Fever, April 12 > Leprechaun's Leap, March 15 > Thawed out Thunder, Feb 21 > Frozen Thunder, Jan 18 > Frost and Fire, Dec 21, 08 > > That's one a month (not sure about May though - probably skipped in > lieu of FITS). Additionally, I swing by there whenever I can and > often see folks flying there on either the N or S fields. TARC > practices have been there too. So, separate from the LWYSA outcome, > the reality is that we can and have made it work to fly Class 1 > rockets at 60 Acres. Yesterday, there were soccer players over on the > West end of the North field - we were able to fly quite successfully, > even with a portion of the field in use. > > So, my point is basically this... 60 acres is still very viable at > this point for flying, even if it requires a bit of coordination to > get a weekend date that's available without soccer tournaments. I'm > not sure how the fall soccer season will shape up, but I'm optimistic. > > Now... if we can just find a mid/high power field on the wet side of > the mountains... > > -- > - Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -------------- next part -------------- Hi, Sorry to bother but I get this mail all the time and I saw your post and had a question. What about the new fields they are building in Monroe? behind Frylands Elementary school? ? Does anyone know about that and if it is an option? ? Thanks ? Bill ? > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:49:42 -0700 > From: dmrandall at gmail.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching at 60 acres > > Since I've been at most of the 60 acres sport launches, I have had > several discussions with folks about LWYSA and 60 Acres' status as far > as sailplanes and rocketry goes. I hear a lot of griping about the > LWYSA decision (I've even griped about it myself), which got me > thinking. Over the past year, there have been the following announced > launches: Recent launches have even had on-site vendor support and > contests. > > Solar Fest, Aug 16 > Summer Thunder, July 26 > Fathers Day Fun Fly, June 21 > Spring Fever, April 12 > Leprechaun's Leap, March 15 > Thawed out Thunder, Feb 21 > Frozen Thunder, Jan 18 > Frost and Fire, Dec 21, 08 > > That's one a month (not sure about May though - probably skipped in > lieu of FITS). Additionally, I swing by there whenever I can and > often see folks flying there on either the N or S fields. TARC > practices have been there too. So, separate from the LWYSA outcome, > the reality is that we can and have made it work to fly Class 1 > rockets at 60 Acres. Yesterday, there were soccer players over on the > West end of the North field - we were able to fly quite successfully, > even with a portion of the field in use. > > So, my point is basically this... 60 acres is still very viable at > this point for flying, even if it requires a bit of coordination to > get a weekend date that's available without soccer tournaments. I'm > not sure how the fall soccer season will shape up, but I'm optimistic. > > Now... if we can just find a mid/high power field on the wet side of > the mountains... > > -- > - Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From gbhchrist at verizon.net Mon Aug 17 12:25:24 2009 From: gbhchrist at verizon.net (George Christ) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:25:24 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching at 60 acres In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40908171149l6f4570b3v85f734a5120f30d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bc920e40908171149l6f4570b3v85f734a5120f30d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <333CE1EB5E8A45E89D9337241E220707@LittleGoodBox> Agreed. In addition to the launches Dave lists (and which Robert organized/arranged), LWYSA made the field available last September -- in the height of soccer season -- for the annual Cub Scout rocketry event that typically draws between 150 and 200 young flyers. They are also doing so this year...and while KC Parks would charge us up to $260 for a half-day rental of 60 Acres, LWYSA has (so far) not charged for these events! While we all had misgivings about the deal between the county and LWYSA, we do not have much basis for complaint as things have developed to date. May this continue! George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Randall" To: "Rockets NW list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching at 60 acres > Since I've been at most of the 60 acres sport launches, I have had > several discussions with folks about LWYSA and 60 Acres' status as far > as sailplanes and rocketry goes. I hear a lot of griping about the > LWYSA decision (I've even griped about it myself), which got me > thinking. Over the past year, there have been the following announced > launches: Recent launches have even had on-site vendor support and > contests. > > Solar Fest, Aug 16 > Summer Thunder, July 26 > Fathers Day Fun Fly, June 21 > Spring Fever, April 12 > Leprechaun's Leap, March 15 > Thawed out Thunder, Feb 21 > Frozen Thunder, Jan 18 > Frost and Fire, Dec 21, 08 > > That's one a month (not sure about May though - probably skipped in > lieu of FITS). Additionally, I swing by there whenever I can and > often see folks flying there on either the N or S fields. TARC > practices have been there too. So, separate from the LWYSA outcome, > the reality is that we can and have made it work to fly Class 1 > rockets at 60 Acres. Yesterday, there were soccer players over on the > West end of the North field - we were able to fly quite successfully, > even with a portion of the field in use. > > So, my point is basically this... 60 acres is still very viable at > this point for flying, even if it requires a bit of coordination to > get a weekend date that's available without soccer tournaments. I'm > not sure how the fall soccer season will shape up, but I'm optimistic. > > Now... if we can just find a mid/high power field on the wet side of > the mountains... > > -- > - Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 17 13:18:03 2009 From: jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com (Jack Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:18:03 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty In-Reply-To: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121FA4@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> References: <6bc920e40908171131g66616c6el5b89256e934194fe@mail.gmail.com> <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121FA4@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: I flew an Aerotech M650 on August 1st and the motor apparently over pressurized and spit the nozzle out about a second or so into the burn. I contacted Aerotech about a possible warrant claim and they requested photos of the nozzle, unburned grains, launch photos and a copy of my NAR card and drivers license. When I sent all the information they asked for back to the email address they contacted me with, I got failure notices from my email server. So I sent the same information to the email address on the Aerotech website (warranty at aerotech-rocketry.com) which seemed to go through without error, but I have not heard anything more from them. Any idea how long they take to look at something like this? I am not even sure they received the photos I sent them. http://uroc.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10164/HF2009-20.JPG From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Mon Aug 17 14:47:44 2009 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:47:44 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching at 60 acres In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40908171149l6f4570b3v85f734a5120f30d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bc920e40908171149l6f4570b3v85f734a5120f30d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A89D000.8050908@hawkfeather.com> We could resurrect the search efforts at: http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/launch_sites/ And specifically: http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/launch_sites/n_sites.html Andrew. > Now... if we can just find a mid/high power field on the wet side of > the mountains... > From raystoner99 at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 17:19:22 2009 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:19:22 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty In-Reply-To: References: <6bc920e40908171131g66616c6el5b89256e934194fe@mail.gmail.com> <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121FA4@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: <002d01ca1f99$89ea6e20$9dbf4a60$@net> It took several months and numerous phone calls for me to get my casing and reload replaced after a CATO. Several promises of it'll go out soon and we are out of stock on the reload... Good luck, be persistent and hope. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Jack Anderson Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:18 PM To: Rockets NW list Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty I flew an Aerotech M650 on August 1st and the motor apparently over pressurized and spit the nozzle out about a second or so into the burn. I contacted Aerotech about a possible warrant claim and they requested photos of the nozzle, unburned grains, launch photos and a copy of my NAR card and drivers license. When I sent all the information they asked for back to the email address they contacted me with, I got failure notices from my email server. So I sent the same information to the email address on the Aerotech website (warranty at aerotech-rocketry.com) which seemed to go through without error, but I have not heard anything more from them. Any idea how long they take to look at something like this? I am not even sure they received the photos I sent them. http://uroc.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10164/HF2009-20.JPG _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From mkquinn at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 20:15:13 2009 From: mkquinn at gmail.com (Mark Quinn) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:15:13 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Solar Fest launch report In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40908171131g66616c6el5b89256e934194fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bc920e40908171131g66616c6el5b89256e934194fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a1085980908172015x44d1eb1ep79aea12b1fa395ed@mail.gmail.com> It was a great day of flying all right. I ended up flying four rockets on (if my memory serves) 7 motors: 2 - D12 1 - E9 2 - D21T 1 - E30T 1 - F42T I was happy with the Mozzie, it handled the F42T quite well (a real neck snapper). It was the first flight of my Batray, which flew perfectly on a D21T. Mad Cow makes some nice kits. Mark On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Dave Randall wrote: > This weekend's Solar Fest launch was held with wonderful weather, a > wide open field, and clear skies above. Total spectators and flyers > by my count was 20. Flyer count was 6 people. We had a good range of > motors from A10-4 up through G67 Redline. I think we covered every > motor letter in with at least two flights. > > I took out three rockets to fly, my Estes Patriot Payloader, a Madcow > Phoenix and an Art Applewhite 29mm saucer. The Patriot continues to > be my workhorse model rocket. I got another three good flights from > it this Sunday. > - Flight one on an D9 - 312' altitude according to the Alt-15K > - Flight two on an F12 - 1,581' according to the Alt-15K > - Flight three on an F12 - 1,488' according to the Alt-15K > I tried several times to get the Phoenix up on an E18 motor. Try as I > did (4 times), the motor wouldn't light. By the last time, the > propellant was coated and probably wouldn't light without scraping. > Back in the bin for another day. Thanks to Mark for giving me a few > bigger ignitors to try and get it in the air. > > All three Patriot flights were recovered to the South with both high > altitude flights landing in the South field. > > The Madcow Phoenix experienced a 'crowd pleasing' display of what > happens when CG is behind CP. Oops. Time to fill the balsa nose with > lead shot. > > The saucer made two nice flights on the G67 redline in a 29mm/120 > case. I love the echo of the motor roar through the valley there at > 60 acres! Second flight saw an off-kilter landing that ding'ed up the > cardboard. My son says 'fiberglass it'... > > Other flights - > Tim - Tim sadly saw two nice larger sized kits auger in. The Estes > Maxi-Brute V-2 did what it does best, and his Pershing was just simply > underpowered on an E motor. Tim brought out a nice sampling of scale > kits and flew them, two of my favorites were the Estes Titan IIIE and > the Nike Ajax. I think the Ajax is in need of upscaling... Muahahaha. > > Mark - Mark just seemed to hit his timing just right. Lots of great > model flights all around. > > Thomas - Thomas and his son were there with a few Estes kits, and flew > an 18mm reload D motor. > > There were a few model flyers over on the South field. I invited them > over, yet no one took me up and kept flying on the South field. Other > spectators included a neighbor of mine who was curious what this > hobby was all about, a flyer who'd been at a cub scout launch and was > interested in coming down later in the afternoon with his daughter, a > couple who knew rockets from the '70's, but were merely chatting and > 'catching up' on current technology and several spouses and kids (and > a few dogs). > > -- > - Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- It was a great day of flying all right. I ended up flying four rockets on?(if my memory serves) 7 motors: ? 2 - D12 1?- E9 2 - D21T 1 - E30T 1 - F42T ? I was happy with the?Mozzie, it handled the F42T quite well (a real neck snapper). It was the first flight of my?Batray,?which flew perfectly on a D21T.??Mad Cow makes some nice kits. ? Mark On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Dave Randall < mailto:dmrandall at gmail.com dmrandall at gmail.com > wrote: This weekend's Solar Fest launch was held with wonderful weather, a wide open field, and clear skies above. ?Total spectators and flyers by my count was 20. ?Flyer count was 6 people. ?We had a good range of motors from A10-4 up through G67 Redline. ?I think we covered every motor letter in with at least two flights. I took out three rockets to fly, my Estes Patriot Payloader, a Madcow Phoenix and an Art Applewhite 29mm saucer. ? The Patriot continues to be my workhorse model rocket. ?I got another three good flights from it this Sunday. - Flight one on an D9 - 312' altitude according to the Alt-15K - Flight two on an F12 - 1,581' according to the Alt-15K - Flight three on an F12 - 1,488' according to the Alt-15K I tried several times to get the Phoenix up on an E18 motor. ?Try as I did (4 times), the motor wouldn't light. ?By the last time, the propellant was coated and probably wouldn't light without scraping. Back in the bin for another day. ?Thanks to Mark for giving me a few bigger ignitors to try and get it in the air. All three Patriot flights were recovered to the South with both high altitude flights landing in the South field. The Madcow Phoenix experienced a 'crowd pleasing' display of what happens when CG is behind CP. ?Oops. ?Time to fill the balsa nose with lead shot. The saucer made two nice flights on the G67 redline in a 29mm/120 case. ?I love the echo of the motor roar through the valley there at 60 acres! ?Second flight saw an off-kilter landing that ding'ed up the cardboard. ?My son says 'fiberglass it'... Other flights - Tim - Tim sadly saw two nice larger sized kits auger in. ? The Estes Maxi-Brute V-2 did what it does best, and his Pershing was just simply underpowered on an E motor. ?Tim brought out a nice sampling of scale kits and flew them, two of my favorites were the Estes Titan IIIE and the Nike Ajax. ?I think the Ajax is in need of upscaling... Muahahaha. Mark - Mark just seemed to hit his timing just right. ?Lots of great model flights all around. Thomas - Thomas and his son were there with a few Estes kits, and flew an 18mm reload D motor. There were a few model flyers over on the South field. ?I invited them over, yet no one took me up and kept flying on the South field. Other spectators ?included a neighbor of mine who was curious what this hobby was all about, a flyer who'd been at a cub scout launch and was interested in coming down later in the afternoon with his daughter, a couple who knew rockets from the '70's, but were merely chatting and 'catching up' on current technology and several spouses and kids (and a few dogs). -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Mon Aug 17 21:02:30 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious. In-Reply-To: <4A881D46.1010304@earthlink.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090815123914.00c5dda0@mail.iinet.com> <4A879853.7050801@earthlink.net> <4A881D46.1010304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Oh, it's cheap enough for a lot of folks. But the Congress/White House/NASA triad doesn't do "cheap." Cheap is...it's...it's...it's HERESY!!!! ;-) +McG+ > I know SpaceX charges its customers between $6-$8 million for lofting > satellites into LEO versus NASA which charges about $30-$40 for the same > service. > > According to this Wiki entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9 it > says: > > At an appearance in May 2004 before the U.S. Senate Committee on > Commerce, Science and Transportation, Elon Musk testified, "Long term > plans call for development of a heavy lift product and even a > super-heavy, if there is customer demand. [...] Ultimately, I believe > $500 per pound [of payload delivered to orbit] or less is very > achievable."[7] > > SpaceX formally announced the Falcon 9 on 2005-09-08, describing it as > being a "fully reusable heavy lift launch vehicle."[8] A Falcon 9 medium > was described as being capable of launching approximately 21,000 lb > (9,500 kg) to low Earth orbit, priced at $27 million per flight > ($1286/lb). > > Is that cheap enough for ya? > > Robert > > kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: >> Yup. It's extremely revealing to compare the cost-effectiveness of >> SpaceX >> and companies like it to the cost-effectiveness of NASA. >> >> Now, how much is SpaceX spending on Falcon 9 and how much has NASA >> already >> wasted on Aries? :-0 >> >> Maybe I could get a contract from NASA to build paper-fuel hybrids using >> rolls of C-notes for the fuel... >> +McG+ >> >> >> >>> SpaceX is a for-profit business with its long-term goal of getting to >>> Mars by 2020. >>> Here's an interview clip with Elon Musk. >>> http://fora.tv/2009/04/07/Uber_Entrepreneur_An_Evening_with_Elon_Musk#Elon_Musk_Bets_Manned_Mission_to_Mars_by_2020 >>> >>> You can watch the whole interview titled, "Uber Entrepreneur: An >>> Evening >>> with Elon Musk" at the >>> Churchill Club that occurred on 7APR09. >>> http://fora.tv/2009/04/07/Uber_Entrepreneur_An_Evening_with_Elon_Musk#fullprogram >>> >>> The first half of the program Elon is interviewed about his Tesla >>> Corporation and the future of electric cars. The other half is >>> dedicated to his other company, Space Exploration Company. >>> >>> 12. SpaceX >>> 13. Putting Multiple Engines on Rockets >>> 14. Dragon Spacecraft >>> 15. Juggling Separate Industries >>> 16. Aiming a Space Capsule on Landing >>> 17. Challenge of Escaping Gravity >>> 18. Importance of Going to Mars >>> 19. Solar City >>> 20. Getting the NASA Contract >>> 21. Other Issues and Projects >>> 22. An X-Prize for Batteries >>> >>> >>> Per Wikipedia: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk >>> Space-related activities >>> >>> In 2001, Musk had plans for a "Mars Oasis" project, which would land a >>> miniature experimental greenhouse on Mars, containing food crops >>> growing >>> on Martian regolith.[13][14] He put this project on hold when he >>> discovered that launch costs would dwarf the mission development and >>> construction costs for the project, and decided to work on lowering >>> launch costs by founding SpaceX. His long term goal is that SpaceX >>> helps >>> humanity become a true spacefaring civilization. >>> >>> In 2005, Musk acquired a 10% share of Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd >>> (SSTL), a world leader in the design, manufacture and operation of >>> high-performance small satellites, majority owned by the University of >>> Surrey. That share will be sold as part of the EADS acquisition of >>> SSTL. >>> >>> >>> Latest SpaceX news: >>> >>> SpaceX Falcon 9 inches closer to transporting humans (31JUL09) >>> http://mae.pennnet.com/display_article/367115/32/NEWS/none/none/1/SpaceX-Falcon-9-inches-closer-to-transporting-humans/ >>> >>> Veteran Aerospace Leader Vander Weg Joins SpaceX as Vice President of >>> the EELV Customer Office (5AUG09) >>> http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090805006227&newsLang=en >>> >>> >>> Paul Bogdanich wrote: >>> >>>>> Step 1: Figure out how to make returning to the moon a profit-making >>>>> enterprise. Government will never do that because government has no >>>>> idea >>>>> how to do anything but *spend* money. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> No way to do it with the Moon. Mars however is a different story. >>>> The >>>> rovers identified areas where a large portion of the surface soil is >>>> perchlorate. Oxidizer. All we need bring or find is some fuel and we >>>> can >>>> make heat and bricks and water and stuff like that. Also as I >>>> understand >>>> it, Mars could use a little more atmosphere which burning the >>>> perchlorate >>>> would also provide. Not a particularly pleasant atmosphere for the >>>> first >>>> tens of millions of years mind you but an atmosphere none the less. >>>> But >>>> if >>>> you thought the Moon was expensive the capital investment required to >>>> put >>>> some factories and habitations on Mars would be almost as much as we >>>> gave >>>> to the banks this year and it would take a dozen years at best before >>>> you >>>> started seeing returns. Over time though it would be very beneficial >>>> which >>>> is precisely why we won't do it. We would much rather give our money >>>> to >>>> the banks as that generates campaign contributions nearly immediately >>>> sometimes prospectively. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rockets mailing list >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Mon Aug 17 21:10:01 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious. In-Reply-To: <4A881B19.7060401@earthlink.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090815123914.00c5dda0@mail.iinet.com> <0A39E99E-924E-4FAD-A521-0E7916868882@mac.com> <4A878B9F.8040703@earthlink.net> <7d765157c73c0934e07bb2a406a0df14.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> <4A881B19.7060401@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <65071fe746de4cdc3f8a9323f7f156a9.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> > How about boron based propellants? > http://www.islandone.org/Launch/boron-sharp-article.htm > > Robert As the old commercial went, "it's in there!" Boron like so many other good ideas has some cost and practicality problems for amateur rockets. The black ops people seem to like it though. That's probably why nobody else gets to use it. Unclassified technology is the left-over crap the black ops guys don't think is worth worrying about. +McG+ > kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: >> And don't forget about my suggestion that sample return missions from Io >> use a lithium-sulfur rocket. Zinc won't do, though. ;-) >> >> Way back before the dinosaurs, circa 1980, I used my trusty >> Timex/Sinclair >> 1000(w/64k memory pack) to examine all the potential propellant >> combinations of two- and three-element chemicals. Just to make sure I >> wasn't overlooking anything sort of weird that might be useful in >> amateur >> rockets. CO2 oxidized combinations were among the possibilities but >> didn't meet the ultimate cut for practicality in low-cost amateur >> rockets. >> The only combination I ended up actually using was the manganese >> thermite, Al/MnO2, which makes nice little skyrockets. >> >> NASA tends to suffer from a certain degree of intellectual >> orthodoxy(sometimes expressed as "not invented here"). Most of the >> really >> good ideas for how to make the next big push into space are coming from >> individuals and small companies. Unfortunately, most of the money for >> space is being eaten up by NASA. >> +McG+ >> >> >> >>> How about this? >>> >>> Wickman, J.H, "In-Situ Mars Rocket and Jet Engines Burning Carbon >>> Dioxide", AIAA 99-2409, 35th Joint Propulsion Conference, June 1999. >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> John Roberts wrote: >>> >>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=tyGFoz13idoC&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=zubrin+hydrazine+mars&source=bl&ots=ohdusMt0ma&sig=Zxs8ra53mT2QcjcFOrjAKgXrQZk&hl=en&ei=z0iHSrHBPISCsgOxr7XoAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v >>>> =onepage&q=&f=false >>>> >>>> According to Zubrin, methane/oxygen is the easiest propellant to make >>>> on Mars. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Paul Bogdanich wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Step 1: Figure out how to make returning to the moon a profit-making >>>>>> enterprise. Government will never do that because government has >>>>>> no idea >>>>>> how to do anything but *spend* money. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> No way to do it with the Moon. Mars however is a different story. >>>>> The >>>>> rovers identified areas where a large portion of the surface soil is >>>>> perchlorate. Oxidizer. All we need bring or find is some fuel and >>>>> we can >>>>> make heat and bricks and water and stuff like that. Also as I >>>>> understand >>>>> it, Mars could use a little more atmosphere which burning the >>>>> perchlorate >>>>> would also provide. Not a particularly pleasant atmosphere for the >>>>> first >>>>> tens of millions of years mind you but an atmosphere none the less. >>>>> But if >>>>> you thought the Moon was expensive the capital investment required >>>>> to put >>>>> some factories and habitations on Mars would be almost as much as we >>>>> gave >>>>> to the banks this year and it would take a dozen years at best >>>>> before you >>>>> started seeing returns. Over time though it would be very >>>>> beneficial which >>>>> is precisely why we won't do it. We would much rather give our >>>>> money to >>>>> the banks as that generates campaign contributions nearly immediately >>>>> sometimes prospectively. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Rockets mailing list >>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rockets mailing list >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From winningstad at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 21:17:47 2009 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis S Winningstad) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:17:47 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious. In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090815123914.00c5dda0@mail.iinet.com> <4A879853.7050801@earthlink.net> <4A881D46.1010304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006001ca1fba$d9e14e00$8da3ea00$@net> Abso-fricklin-lutelt! It gets more and more expensive per-pound to ANY orbit and it is more dangerous... Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:03 PM To: Hammer Cc: NW Rocketry mailing list Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] NASA's moon plan too ambitious. Oh, it's cheap enough for a lot of folks. But the Congress/White House/NASA triad doesn't do "cheap." Cheap is...it's...it's...it's HERESY!!!! ;-) +McG+ > I know SpaceX charges its customers between $6-$8 million for lofting > satellites into LEO versus NASA which charges about $30-$40 for the same > service. > > According to this Wiki entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9 it > says: > > At an appearance in May 2004 before the U.S. Senate Committee on > Commerce, Science and Transportation, Elon Musk testified, "Long term > plans call for development of a heavy lift product and even a > super-heavy, if there is customer demand. [...] Ultimately, I believe > $500 per pound [of payload delivered to orbit] or less is very > achievable."[7] > > SpaceX formally announced the Falcon 9 on 2005-09-08, describing it as > being a "fully reusable heavy lift launch vehicle."[8] A Falcon 9 medium > was described as being capable of launching approximately 21,000 lb > (9,500 kg) to low Earth orbit, priced at $27 million per flight > ($1286/lb). > > Is that cheap enough for ya? > > Robert > > kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: >> Yup. It's extremely revealing to compare the cost-effectiveness of >> SpaceX >> and companies like it to the cost-effectiveness of NASA. >> >> Now, how much is SpaceX spending on Falcon 9 and how much has NASA >> already >> wasted on Aries? :-0 >> >> Maybe I could get a contract from NASA to build paper-fuel hybrids using >> rolls of C-notes for the fuel... >> +McG+ >> >> >> >>> SpaceX is a for-profit business with its long-term goal of getting to >>> Mars by 2020. >>> Here's an interview clip with Elon Musk. >>> http://fora.tv/2009/04/07/Uber_Entrepreneur_An_Evening_with_Elon_Musk#Elon_M usk_Bets_Manned_Mission_to_Mars_by_2020 >>> >>> You can watch the whole interview titled, "Uber Entrepreneur: An >>> Evening >>> with Elon Musk" at the >>> Churchill Club that occurred on 7APR09. >>> http://fora.tv/2009/04/07/Uber_Entrepreneur_An_Evening_with_Elon_Musk#fullpr ogram >>> >>> The first half of the program Elon is interviewed about his Tesla >>> Corporation and the future of electric cars. The other half is >>> dedicated to his other company, Space Exploration Company. >>> >>> 12. SpaceX >>> 13. Putting Multiple Engines on Rockets >>> 14. Dragon Spacecraft >>> 15. Juggling Separate Industries >>> 16. Aiming a Space Capsule on Landing >>> 17. Challenge of Escaping Gravity >>> 18. Importance of Going to Mars >>> 19. Solar City >>> 20. Getting the NASA Contract >>> 21. Other Issues and Projects >>> 22. An X-Prize for Batteries >>> >>> >>> Per Wikipedia: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk >>> Space-related activities >>> >>> In 2001, Musk had plans for a "Mars Oasis" project, which would land a >>> miniature experimental greenhouse on Mars, containing food crops >>> growing >>> on Martian regolith.[13][14] He put this project on hold when he >>> discovered that launch costs would dwarf the mission development and >>> construction costs for the project, and decided to work on lowering >>> launch costs by founding SpaceX. His long term goal is that SpaceX >>> helps >>> humanity become a true spacefaring civilization. >>> >>> In 2005, Musk acquired a 10% share of Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd >>> (SSTL), a world leader in the design, manufacture and operation of >>> high-performance small satellites, majority owned by the University of >>> Surrey. That share will be sold as part of the EADS acquisition of >>> SSTL. >>> >>> >>> Latest SpaceX news: >>> >>> SpaceX Falcon 9 inches closer to transporting humans (31JUL09) >>> http://mae.pennnet.com/display_article/367115/32/NEWS/none/none/1/SpaceX-Fal con-9-inches-closer-to-transporting-humans/ >>> >>> Veteran Aerospace Leader Vander Weg Joins SpaceX as Vice President of >>> the EELV Customer Office (5AUG09) >>> http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=2 0090805006227&newsLang=en >>> >>> >>> Paul Bogdanich wrote: >>> >>>>> Step 1: Figure out how to make returning to the moon a profit-making >>>>> enterprise. Government will never do that because government has no >>>>> idea >>>>> how to do anything but *spend* money. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> No way to do it with the Moon. Mars however is a different story. >>>> The >>>> rovers identified areas where a large portion of the surface soil is >>>> perchlorate. Oxidizer. All we need bring or find is some fuel and we >>>> can >>>> make heat and bricks and water and stuff like that. Also as I >>>> understand >>>> it, Mars could use a little more atmosphere which burning the >>>> perchlorate >>>> would also provide. Not a particularly pleasant atmosphere for the >>>> first >>>> tens of millions of years mind you but an atmosphere none the less. >>>> But >>>> if >>>> you thought the Moon was expensive the capital investment required to >>>> put >>>> some factories and habitations on Mars would be almost as much as we >>>> gave >>>> to the banks this year and it would take a dozen years at best before >>>> you >>>> started seeing returns. Over time though it would be very beneficial >>>> which >>>> is precisely why we won't do it. We would much rather give our money >>>> to >>>> the banks as that generates campaign contributions nearly immediately >>>> sometimes prospectively. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rockets mailing list >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Mon Aug 17 21:57:21 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] I actually launched a rocket Message-ID: The subject line pretty much says it. My sister's grandson was down from Spokane for the week attending a summer camp. Sunday he was here at the farm all day so I scrounged around to see what I could put up that I wouldn't miss too much if it landed in a tree. My trusty old "Totally Tubular" was the final choice since it's one of those junker rockets that you just can't lose if you try. Stuffed my last C6-5 in it. Set up in the yard near the road and aimed for the center of the north field. The motor was the perfect choice for a somewhat windy day. Ignition was instant on the first try with the "zap box" discharging 40 volts from 16,000 microfarads of photoflash capacitors through an Estes igniter sixty feet away. The rocket arced up into the wind more than I had guessed and naturally headed over towards our neighbor to the northwest who was out spreading bark dust around. After a wimpy ejection try well after apogee it tumbled down in the our field about 100 feet from *its*(not *my*) intended target. ;-) After that the wind picked up and I swore once again like I always do not to use 'whiplash' launch rods in the utterly unpredictable winds of foothill country. But it was great to push the button and smell the BP residue. Really put me in the mood to prepare for Sheridan! Good thing I resisted my first impulse to stuff an E15 in the Banshee... +McG+ From daron at daronjohnson.com Tue Aug 18 13:19:53 2009 From: daron at daronjohnson.com (Daron Johnson) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:19:53 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Paging Eric Albrecht Message-ID: <007901ca2041$41144150$c33cc3f0$@com> Ping me off list please.. -------------- next part -------------- Ping me off list please???. From jjcllc03 at aol.com Tue Aug 18 20:24:18 2009 From: jjcllc03 at aol.com (Jjcllc03) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:24:18 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Extreme Launch Report....... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57cf022d.861e.49d1.b14f.8ebc13322d3f@aol.com> Just to add a little to Fred's excellent report... After David's incident on the pad, I flew my Level 3 rocket, Galadriel, on a Cesaroni L990 Blue Streak motor. This is one of the new Cesaroni loads for the 54mm 6GXL casing. The nine and a half foot tall, ring fin rocket streaked off the pad, trailing a very cool blue flame to and altitude of 5558 feet and recovered near the white pole next to the road leading to the flight line. Later that day, I flew my four inch scale Little John on the new Cesaroni J590 that David leant to me from his earlier aborted Big Country flight. This motor is in the new 38mm 6GXL casing and it sent the eight pound rocket streaking off the pad trailing black smoke to an altitude of 3182 feet. Unfortunately, the drogue chute cable snapped and the fin can came in ballistic nose end first. The rest of the rocket returned under canopy right back to the flight line. After pulling the fin can out of a few inches of soil, it was found to be undamaged. So a new cable is all that's needed to get this rocket back into action. After this last mishap, Dave and I realized the rocket gods must be telling us something, so we packed up our gear and left on Saturday night. Thanks to Fred and Dusty of BORG for helping us fly on Saturday! Jack In a message dated 08/17/09 09:59:57 Pacific Daylight Time, fred.azinger at intel.com writes: Thought I'd pound this out quick and get it posted.....sorry if my memory was fuzzy or I missed a name or cool rocket....... OROC's Desert Extreme was this past weekend. I headed out Thursday night with the hope of seeing some meteors as a bonus. Gabe and I arrived about 9PM, already on sight was Tsolo and Bob Welsh. We parked and did minimal unpacking and got out our chairs to watch.... We saw a few meteors, but after about 20 minutes in the wind, despite wearing winter coats and hats, we were too cold and turned in. ....it got below freezing that night. Friday was cloudy and cold in the morning. The cloud deck started to break up about noon allowing higher flying. A few more people straggled in over the day, but not many. As it ended up, Brent Rowe and I were the only ones there to fly EX. Good thing the rules changes to allow commercial motors, or this would have been a very sparse launch. Overall attendance was light -- I'd say there were maybe 8 camp sights with a few extra daily drivers. I have to give the BORG guys some crap -- I guess it was too far to drive as none came except Warren who came with show & tell parts for me to inspect for his L3 progress. And we did have one person, who shall remain nameless, who drove in to see the Q fly -- shame on you Bob..... Lloyd and Kenzie where there and were busy with G's and the occasional H from start to finish -- filling in the middle of the motor ladder. Tsolo was doing his usual BP clusters with mixed results. His cool motors in the front and back rocket was shortened when he failed to get the fronts lit and thus didn't deploy. I launched my Comp-3 on a 5G54 L-1200 Furple for a nice up and down and an easy beeline shag. It was good to get that done as I needed the case cleared out for Balls as it is one of the three airstart motors we use on Hardtail. Gabe was rocket-challenged and only had his PML Hydra to fly -- a QT-based kit with too many thin fins, one of which has a serious warp. This was "rip the fins off" weekend for Gabe. He started on a I-211, then a Loki J-396 sparky (at dusk) followed on Saturday by a J350 then a J570. I must say the fins held tough despite flying larger and larger corkscrews in the sky. I told him he now needs to talk to Mike Fisher for the next motor. ;-) Gabe flew the Loki Sparky at dusk which was cool, especially with the cork-screw. Lloyd followed that up about 9:30 with a night flight of the same motor that was way cool. Good thing I loaned him a beeline for that flight as it was further out then we guessed and the bee turned what could have been a long search into an easy shag in the dark. Cameron Tinder came in Saturday, driving down from Washington with a beautifly prepared Jayhawk in the brightest orange paint I've seen. He was there to do his L2 cert in style with a K-550. He slowly prepped, waiting for his brother to join the group and late in the afternoon he was ready. The boost was very nice -- very little spin. However as we all know the up part is the easy part and Murphy was there to bite Cameron. Despite careful prep, Cameron made one mistake and cross-wired his apogee and low-alt channels.... The Jayhawk came back ballistic and tried to deploy at low altitude while screaming toward the ground. Fortunately, his hand laid CF airframe was super tough and survived with little damage. He has nice on-board video too. We reviewed the video in the field and you could hear his home-made tethers fire at apogee instead of the deployment charge. He said he would post the video, so watch the image gallery. Brent came with a couple of rockets, but his Comp-4 was the EX mule. For his first flight, he took one of my FBHP 3G75 L-1500's and had a really nice boost to about 12k. It landed about out at the base of the hills to the east and the beeline I had loaned him could be heard from camp so it was an relatively easy shag. Once back, he recycled it and flew his own 3G75 of a formula he called "smoky blue." This too was a nice flight and easy shag. I don't recall the exact altitudes from the flights, but do remember that my motor pulled another 1k in altitude over his and gave Brent his highest flight ever. ;-D I flew my #3 Pencil on a 3G75 L-900 of my latest (v6) FSG formula. It was a nice boost with nearly 7 second burn time which was perfect for the minimum diameter rocket. This flight disappeared into the blue sky and nobody saw the return. Fortunately I had a good line from the beeline before it landed and Gabe and I headed out to search. We drove down the road to west until it started to turn north. At that point I could sniff a little signal and we headed out on foot. The rocket was over a mile out due west from the pad. There was no way I would have guess that it went that far. Rack up another great "save" due to the beeline. Unlucky for my, the NC hit a rock and cracked due (AGAIN!) due to the pound of nose weight required for a Concept fincan rocket from Curtis -- a tricky kit that will pinwheel or cone with ease. So that was a one-flight NC.....darn Murphy. I started to prep my Comp-3 for another flight, but the winds started to pick up so I left it near-ready for Sunday. David Holloway and Jack came out to fly David's "Big Country." This would be the rockets second flight. This weekend it was going up on a Loki L-1482 and airstarting 2 38mm J's of some flavor. Unfortunately for David, he would have the only CATO of the weekend. At the end of the countdown, when the button was pressed, there was one giant chuff followed by a few seconds of smoke, then the rocket deployed followed by vigorous flames everywhere out the top and bottom. The motor section just sat on the pad and burned....we ran out when it died down to inspect what happened. Post mortem looks like he didn't seat the forward snap ring and the chuff pushed out the closure with so little force that it didn't go ballistic and plow into the EBay above as is the usual case....it was just sitting inside the top of the anti-zipper chamber. The rail was melted and the rocket will need some re-work and new paint, but it will fly again. Nice irony that the only motor issue this weekend was with a commercial motor...... Sunday we woke to perfect flying weather....cloudless skies and zero winds..... finally got to wear some shorts and a tee-shirt.... The waiver opened at 8:30 and I had my Comp-3 on the pad. I woke up those still sleeping with a perfect boost on a 4G54 K-900 Furple. The up part was flawless. However I've had deployment issues with the main. I was NC challenged this weekend. I damaged the NC on the #3 pencil two launches ago in June. In a last minute decision, I decided I wanted to fly some 75mm and needed to fix the NC. So, in typical rocketeer form, I was working on the new NC right up to just hours before leaving Portland....and of course it didn't fit. Not sure what is going on, but I've had a lot of fit issues with PR parts of late....seems he has more than one diameter 3" mandrel and parts are not interchangeable..... I couldn't get the NC to fit, so I stole the one from my Comp-3 and proceeded to damage it and now needed to make the new NC fit the Comp-3. We sanded by hand for a while and got nowhere. Brent suggested we chuck the center all-thread into a drill and turned the NC like on a lathe sanding the based. This worked and soon the NC fit. We had to remove nearly all of the gel-coat the size was so far wrong and slight out of round ....but it seemed to fit ok....but obviously not smooth enough, as the rocket failed to push off the NC when the charges (two) fired and we watched the rocket come in hard on the streamer just behind the flight line. At the last instance, the two parts bunched together just as they stuck the ground -- the upper section sticking in the ground like a dart and then the fin section sliced the top of the EBay off and tearing out a fin in the process.... Murphy is a bastard.... lots of work to fix the Comp-3. That was the end of flying for me. We packed Gabe up and got him rolling a little after 10AM . I hung till noon will Lloyd lobbed up a bunch of G & H flights. We closed the waiver at noon and headed out. Overall a nice launch. We had 23 flights recorded and I know I am missing a couple. Motor distribution was skewed since Tsolo was cluster happy this weekend.... C=12; D=4; E=4; F=0; G=3; H=1; J=7; K=2; L=4 I did find OROC's big T-wrench for the pads and I'll get that to Bob, but nothing else was found and I don't think any rockets were lost this weekend. Fun times in the sage. Next stop, the playa -- tons of work to do between now and then. Cheers, FredA -------------- next part -------------- ? Just to add a little to Fred's excellent report... ? After David's incident on the pad, I flew my Level 3 rocket, Galadriel, on a Cesaroni L990 Blue Streak motor.? This is one of the new Cesaroni loads for the 54mm 6GXL casing.? The nine and a half foot tall, ring fin rocket streaked off the pad, trailing a very cool blue flame to and altitude of 5558 feet and recovered near the white pole next to the road leading to the flight line. ? Later that day, I flew my four inch scale Little John on the new Cesaroni J590 that David leant to me from his earlier aborted Big Country flight.? This motor is in the new 38mm 6GXL casing and it sent the eight pound rocket streaking off the pad trailing black smoke to an altitude of 3182 feet.? Unfortunately, the drogue chute cable snapped and the fin can came in ballistic nose end first.? The rest of the rocket returned under canopy right back to the flight line.? After pulling the fin can out of a few inches of soil, it was found to be undamaged.? So a new cable is all that's needed to get this rocket back into action. ? After this last mishap, Dave and I realized the rocket gods must be telling us something, so we packed up our gear and left on Saturday night.? Thanks to Fred and Dusty of BORG for helping us fly on Saturday! ? Jack ? ? In a message dated 08/17/09 09:59:57 Pacific Daylight Time, fred.azinger at intel.com writes: Thought I'd pound this out quick and get it posted.....sorry if my memory was fuzzy or I missed a name or cool rocket....... OROC's Desert Extreme was this past weekend. I headed out Thursday night with the hope of seeing some meteors as a bonus. Gabe and I arrived about 9PM, already on sight was Tsolo and Bob Welsh. We parked and did minimal unpacking and got out our chairs to watch.... We saw a few meteors, but after about 20 minutes in the wind, despite wearing winter coats and hats, we were too cold and turned in. ....it got below freezing that night. Friday was cloudy and cold in the morning. The cloud deck started to break up about noon allowing higher flying. A few more people straggled in over the day, but not many. As it ended up, Brent Rowe and I were the only ones there to fly EX. Good thing the rules changes to allow commercial motors, or this would have been a very sparse launch. Overall attendance was light -- I'd say there were maybe 8 camp sights with a few extra daily drivers. I have to give the BORG guys some crap -- I guess it was too far to drive as none came except Warren who came with show & tell parts for me to inspect for his L3 progress. And we did have one person, who shall remain nameless, who drove in to see the Q fly -- shame on you Bob..... Lloyd and Kenzie where there and were busy with G's and the occasional H from start to finish -- filling in the middle of the motor ladder. Tsolo was doing his usual BP clusters with mixed results. His cool motors in the front and back rocket was shortened when he failed to get the fronts lit and thus didn't deploy. I launched my Comp-3 on a 5G54 L-1200 Furple for a nice up and down and an easy beeline shag. It was good to get that done as I needed the case cleared out for Balls as it is one of the three airstart motors we use on Hardtail. Gabe was rocket-challenged and only had his PML Hydra to fly -- a QT-based kit with too many thin fins, one of which has a serious warp. ?This was "rip the fins off" weekend for Gabe. ?He started on a I-211, then a Loki J-396 sparky (at dusk) followed on Saturday by a J350 then a J570. ?I must say the fins held tough despite flying larger and larger corkscrews in the sky. ?I told him he now needs to talk to Mike Fisher for the next motor. ;-) Gabe flew the Loki Sparky at dusk which was cool, especially with the cork-screw. ? Lloyd followed that up about 9:30 with a night flight of the same motor that was way cool. ?Good thing I loaned him a beeline for that flight as it was further out then we guessed and the bee turned what could have been a long search into an easy shag in the dark. Cameron Tinder came in Saturday, driving down from Washington with a beautifly prepared Jayhawk in the brightest orange paint I've seen. ?He was there to do his L2 cert in style with a K-550. ?He slowly prepped, waiting for his ?brother to join the group and late in the afternoon he was ready. ?The boost was very nice -- very little spin. ?However as we all know the up part is the easy part and Murphy was there to bite Cameron. ?Despite careful prep, Cameron made one ?mistake and cross-wired his apogee and low-alt channels.... ?The Jayhawk came back ballistic and tried to deploy at low altitude while screaming toward the ground. ? ?Fortunately, his hand laid CF airframe was super tough and survived with little damage. ?He has nice on-board video too. ?We reviewed the video in the field and you could hear his home-made tethers fire at apogee instead of the deployment charge. ?He said he would post the video, so watch the image gallery. Brent came with a couple of rockets, but his Comp-4 was the EX mule. ?For his first flight, he took one of my FBHP 3G75 L-1500's and had a really nice boost to about 12k. ?It landed about out at the base of the hills to the east and the beeline I had loaned him could be heard from camp so it was an relatively easy shag. ? Once back, he recycled it and flew his own 3G75 of a formula he called "smoky blue." ?This too was a nice flight and easy shag. ?I don't recall the exact altitudes from the flights, but do remember that my motor pulled another 1k in altitude over his and gave Brent his highest flight ever. ? ;-D I flew my #3 Pencil on a 3G75 L-900 of my latest (v6) FSG formula. ? It was a nice boost with nearly 7 second burn time which was perfect for the minimum diameter rocket. ? This flight disappeared into the blue sky and nobody saw the return. ?Fortunately I had a good line from the beeline before it landed and Gabe and I headed out to search. ?We drove down the road to west until it started to turn north. ?At that point I could sniff a little signal and we headed out on foot. ?The rocket was over a mile out due west from the pad. ?There was no way I would have guess that it went that far. ?Rack up another great "save" due to the beeline. ?Unlucky for my, the NC hit a rock and cracked due ?(AGAIN!) due to the pound of nose weight required for a ?Concept fincan rocket from Curtis -- a tricky kit that will pinwheel or cone with ease. ? So that was a one-flight NC.....darn Murphy. I started to prep my Comp-3 for another flight, but the winds started to pick up so I left it near-ready for Sunday. David Holloway and Jack came out to fly David's "Big Country." ? This would be the rockets second flight. ?This weekend it was going up on a Loki L-1482 and airstarting 2 38mm J's of some flavor. ?Unfortunately for David, he would have the only CATO of the weekend. ?At the end of the countdown, when the button was pressed, there was one giant chuff followed by a few seconds of smoke, then the rocket deployed followed by vigorous flames everywhere out the top and bottom. ?The motor section just sat on the pad and burned....we ran out when it died down to inspect what happened. ?Post mortem looks like he didn't seat the forward snap ring and the chuff pushed out the closure with so little force that it didn't go ballistic and plow into the EBay above as is the usual case....it was just sitting inside the top of the anti-zipper chamber. ?The rail was melted and the rocket will need some re-work and new paint, but it will fly again. ? ?Nice irony that the only motor issue this weekend was with a commercial motor...... Sunday we woke to perfect flying weather....cloudless skies and zero winds..... finally got to wear some shorts and a tee-shirt.... The waiver opened at 8:30 and I had my Comp-3 on the pad. I woke up those still sleeping with a perfect boost on a 4G54 K-900 Furple. ?The up part was flawless. ?However I've had deployment issues with the main. ?I was NC challenged this weekend. ?I damaged the NC on the #3 pencil two launches ago in June. ?In a last minute decision, I decided I wanted to fly some 75mm and needed to fix the NC. ?So, in typical rocketeer form, I was working on the new NC right up to just hours before leaving Portland....and of course it didn't fit. ? Not sure what is going on, but I've had a lot of fit issues with PR parts of late....seems he has more than one diameter 3" mandrel and parts are not interchangeable..... I couldn't get the NC to fit, so I stole the one from my Comp-3 and proceeded to damage it and now needed to make the new NC fit the Comp-3. ?We sanded by hand for a while and got nowhere. ? Brent suggested we chuck the center all-thread into a drill and turned the NC like on a lathe sanding the based. ?This worked and soon the NC fit. ?We had to remove nearly all of the gel-coat the size was so far wrong ?and slight out of round ....but it seemed to fit ok....but obviously not smooth enough, as the rocket failed to push off the NC when the charges (two) fired and we watched the rocket come in hard on the streamer just behind the flight line. ?At the last instance, the two parts bunched together just as they stuck the ground -- the upper section sticking in the ground like a dart and then the fin section sliced the top of the EBay off and tearing out a fin in the process.... ?Murphy is a bastard.... ?lots of work to fix the Comp-3. That was the end of flying for me. ?We packed Gabe up and got him rolling ?a little after 10AM . ?I hung till noon will Lloyd lobbed up a bunch of G & H flights. ?We closed the waiver at noon and headed out. Overall a nice launch. We had 23 flights recorded and I know I am missing a couple. Motor distribution was skewed since Tsolo was cluster happy this weekend.... C=12; D=4; E=4; F=0; G=3; H=1; J=7; K=2; L=4 I did find OROC's big T-wrench for the pads and I'll get that to Bob, but nothing else was found and I don't think any rockets were lost this weekend. Fun times in the sage. Next stop, the playa -- tons of work to do between now and then. Cheers, FredA ? From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 20:46:34 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:46:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Desert Extreme Launch Report....... References: <57cf022d.861e.49d1.b14f.8ebc13322d3f@aol.com> Message-ID: <53CFAFDF982645C1AC54F5A07A68827D@LaptopKrausert> Jack, How'd the O20480 work out? And David's 18 second burn N? Just kidding. Glad you had a good time. Sorry the Rocket Gods sent you home early. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jjcllc03" To: "Azinger, Fred" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Desert Extreme Launch Report....... > > Just to add a little to Fred's excellent report... > > After David's incident on the pad, I flew my Level 3 rocket, Galadriel, on > a Cesaroni L990 Blue Streak motor. This is one of the new Cesaroni loads > for the 54mm 6GXL casing. The nine and a half foot tall, ring fin rocket > streaked off the pad, trailing a very cool blue flame to and altitude of > 5558 feet and recovered near the white pole next to the road leading to > the flight line. > > Later that day, I flew my four inch scale Little John on the new Cesaroni > J590 that David leant to me from his earlier aborted Big Country flight. > This motor is in the new 38mm 6GXL casing and it sent the eight pound > rocket streaking off the pad trailing black smoke to an altitude of 3182 > feet. Unfortunately, the drogue chute cable snapped and the fin can came > in ballistic nose end first. The rest of the rocket returned under canopy > right back to the flight line. After pulling the fin can out of a few > inches of soil, it was found to be undamaged. So a new cable is all > that's needed to get this rocket back into action. > > After this last mishap, Dave and I realized the rocket gods must be > telling us something, so we packed up our gear and left on Saturday night. > Thanks to Fred and Dusty of BORG for helping us fly on Saturday! > > Jack > > > In a message dated 08/17/09 09:59:57 Pacific Daylight Time, > fred.azinger at intel.com writes: > Thought I'd pound this out quick and get it posted.....sorry if my memory > was fuzzy or I missed a name or cool rocket....... > > > OROC's Desert Extreme was this past weekend. > I headed out Thursday night with the hope of seeing some meteors as a > bonus. > Gabe and I arrived about 9PM, already on sight was Tsolo and Bob Welsh. > We parked and did minimal unpacking and got out our chairs to watch.... > We saw a few meteors, but after about 20 minutes in the wind, despite > wearing winter coats and hats, we were too cold and turned in. ....it got > below freezing that night. > > Friday was cloudy and cold in the morning. > The cloud deck started to break up about noon allowing higher flying. > A few more people straggled in over the day, but not many. > > As it ended up, Brent Rowe and I were the only ones there to fly EX. > Good thing the rules changes to allow commercial motors, or this would > have been a very sparse launch. > Overall attendance was light -- I'd say there were maybe 8 camp sights > with a few extra daily drivers. > I have to give the BORG guys some crap -- I guess it was too far to drive > as none came except Warren who came with show & tell parts for me to > inspect for his L3 progress. > And we did have one person, who shall remain nameless, who drove in to see > the Q fly -- shame on you Bob..... > > Lloyd and Kenzie where there and were busy with G's and the occasional H > from start to finish -- filling in the middle of the motor ladder. > Tsolo was doing his usual BP clusters with mixed results. > His cool motors in the front and back rocket was shortened when he failed > to get the fronts lit and thus didn't deploy. > > I launched my Comp-3 on a 5G54 L-1200 Furple for a nice up and down and an > easy beeline shag. > It was good to get that done as I needed the case cleared out for Balls as > it is one of the three airstart motors we use on Hardtail. > > Gabe was rocket-challenged and only had his PML Hydra to fly -- a QT-based > kit with too many thin fins, one of which has a serious warp. This was > "rip the fins off" weekend for Gabe. He started on a I-211, then a Loki > J-396 sparky (at dusk) followed on Saturday by a J350 then a J570. I must > say the fins held tough despite flying larger and larger corkscrews in the > sky. I told him he now needs to talk to Mike Fisher for the next motor. > ;-) > > Gabe flew the Loki Sparky at dusk which was cool, especially with the > cork-screw. Lloyd followed that up about 9:30 with a night flight of the > same motor that was way cool. Good thing I loaned him a beeline for that > flight as it was further out then we guessed and the bee turned what could > have been a long search into an easy shag in the dark. > > Cameron Tinder came in Saturday, driving down from Washington with a > beautifly prepared Jayhawk in the brightest orange paint I've seen. He > was there to do his L2 cert in style with a K-550. He slowly prepped, > waiting for his brother to join the group and late in the afternoon he > was ready. The boost was very nice -- very little spin. However as we > all know the up part is the easy part and Murphy was there to bite > Cameron. Despite careful prep, Cameron made one mistake and cross-wired > his apogee and low-alt channels.... The Jayhawk came back ballistic and > tried to deploy at low altitude while screaming toward the ground. > Fortunately, his hand laid CF airframe was super tough and survived with > little damage. He has nice on-board video too. We reviewed the video in > the field and you could hear his home-made tethers fire at apogee instead > of the deployment charge. He said he would post the video, so watch the > image gallery. > > Brent came with a couple of rockets, but his Comp-4 was the EX mule. For > his first flight, he took one of my FBHP 3G75 L-1500's and had a really > nice boost to about 12k. It landed about out at the base of the hills to > the east and the beeline I had loaned him could be heard from camp so it > was an relatively easy shag. Once back, he recycled it and flew his own > 3G75 of a formula he called "smoky blue." This too was a nice flight and > easy shag. I don't recall the exact altitudes from the flights, but do > remember that my motor pulled another 1k in altitude over his and gave > Brent his highest flight ever. ;-D > > I flew my #3 Pencil on a 3G75 L-900 of my latest (v6) FSG formula. It > was a nice boost with nearly 7 second burn time which was perfect for the > minimum diameter rocket. This flight disappeared into the blue sky and > nobody saw the return. Fortunately I had a good line from the beeline > before it landed and Gabe and I headed out to search. We drove down the > road to west until it started to turn north. At that point I could sniff > a little signal and we headed out on foot. The rocket was over a mile out > due west from the pad. There was no way I would have guess that it went > that far. Rack up another great "save" due to the beeline. Unlucky for > my, the NC hit a rock and cracked due (AGAIN!) due to the pound of nose > weight required for a Concept fincan rocket from Curtis -- a tricky kit > that will pinwheel or cone with ease. So that was a one-flight > NC.....darn Murphy. > > I started to prep my Comp-3 for another flight, but the winds started to > pick up so I left it near-ready for Sunday. > > David Holloway and Jack came out to fly David's "Big Country." This > would be the rockets second flight. This weekend it was going up on a > Loki L-1482 and airstarting 2 38mm J's of some flavor. Unfortunately for > David, he would have the only CATO of the weekend. At the end of the > countdown, when the button was pressed, there was one giant chuff followed > by a few seconds of smoke, then the rocket deployed followed by vigorous > flames everywhere out the top and bottom. The motor section just sat on > the pad and burned....we ran out when it died down to inspect what > happened. Post mortem looks like he didn't seat the forward snap ring and > the chuff pushed out the closure with so little force that it didn't go > ballistic and plow into the EBay above as is the usual case....it was just > sitting inside the top of the anti-zipper chamber. The rail was melted > and the rocket will need some re-work and new paint, but it will fly > again. Nice irony that the only motor issue this we > ekend was with a commercial motor...... > > Sunday we woke to perfect flying weather....cloudless skies and zero > winds..... finally got to wear some shorts and a tee-shirt.... > The waiver opened at 8:30 and I had my Comp-3 on the pad. > I woke up those still sleeping with a perfect boost on a 4G54 K-900 > Furple. The up part was flawless. However I've had deployment issues > with the main. I was NC challenged this weekend. I damaged the NC on the > #3 pencil two launches ago in June. In a last minute decision, I decided > I wanted to fly some 75mm and needed to fix the NC. So, in typical > rocketeer form, I was working on the new NC right up to just hours before > leaving Portland....and of course it didn't fit. Not sure what is going > on, but I've had a lot of fit issues with PR parts of late....seems he has > more than one diameter 3" mandrel and parts are not interchangeable..... > I couldn't get the NC to fit, so I stole the one from my Comp-3 and > proceeded to damage it and now needed to make the new NC fit the Comp-3. > We sanded by hand for a while and got nowhere. Brent suggested we chuck > the center all-thread into a drill and turned the NC like on a lathe > sanding the based. This worked and soon the NC fit. We had to remove > nearly all of the gel-coat the size was so far wrong and slight out of > round ....but it seemed to fit ok....but obviously not smooth enough, as > the rocket failed to push off the NC when the charges (two) fired and we > watched the rocket come in hard on the streamer just behind the flight > line. At the last instance, the two parts bunched together just as they > stuck the ground -- the upper section sticking in the ground like a dart > and then the fin section sliced the top of the EBay off and tearing out a > fin in the process.... Murphy is a bastard.... lots of work to fix the > Comp-3. > > That was the end of flying for me. We packed Gabe up and got him rolling > a little after 10AM . I hung till noon will Lloyd lobbed up a bunch of G > & H flights. We closed the waiver at noon and headed out. > > Overall a nice launch. > We had 23 flights recorded and I know I am missing a couple. > Motor distribution was skewed since Tsolo was cluster happy this > weekend.... > C=12; D=4; E=4; F=0; G=3; H=1; J=7; K=2; L=4 > I did find OROC's big T-wrench for the pads and I'll get that to Bob, but > nothing else was found and I don't think any rockets were lost this > weekend. > > Fun times in the sage. > Next stop, the playa -- tons of work to do between now and then. > Cheers, > FredA > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From rocfish74 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 19 12:39:38 2009 From: rocfish74 at hotmail.com (Mark Lyons) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:39:38 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Mansfield launch in September! In-Reply-To: References: <4A887B61.1040505@geerwerkz.com> Message-ID: I plan to have my midpower pad as well. Mark > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:34:48 -0700 > From: carl at mousetrap.com > To: members at washingtonaerospace.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [WAC-Members] Mansfield launch in September! > > This will be a commercial-only launch, so yes, everybody is welcome to fly. > > Feedback has been positive, despite the fact that this launch is the > same weekend as XPRS. Given the commitments I have received so far, I > hope to have three high-power pads (rails only), three mid-power pads > (rails or rods), and a rack of lower power pads. I don't plan on > hauling the trailer, so if there is something special you need please > let me know *way* ahead of time. > > Thanks. > > - Carl > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Robert Geer > wrote: > > > > If this is open to NAR members, I'm in! > > > > Carl Hamilton wrote: > >> > >> The Washington Aerospace Club will be holding a launch this September > >> in Mansfield. This launch is an addition to our current launch > >> schedule, motivated by member interest and free flowing AP. We are > >> targeting the weekend of September 19th and 20th, but don't yet know > >> whether it will be held at the Sportsman's Club or the Ranch. In order > >> to determine our GSE needs we need to know who will be there. If you > >> plan to attend, please let me know. > >> > >> I hope to see you in September! > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> - Carl > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> members mailing list > >> members at washingtonaerospace.org > >> http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org > >> > > _______________________________________________ > members mailing list > members at washingtonaerospace.org > http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery -------------- next part -------------- I plan to have my midpower pad as well. ? Mark ? > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:34:48 -0700 > From: carl at mousetrap.com > To: members at washingtonaerospace.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [WAC-Members] Mansfield launch in September! > > This will be a commercial-only launch, so yes, everybody is welcome to fly. > > Feedback has been positive, despite the fact that this launch is the > same weekend as XPRS. Given the commitments I have received so far, I > hope to have three high-power pads (rails only), three mid-power pads > (rails or rods), and a rack of lower power pads. I don't plan on > hauling the trailer, so if there is something special you need please > let me know *way* ahead of time. > > Thanks. > > - Carl > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Robert Geer > wrote: > > > > If this is open to NAR members, I'm in! > > > > Carl Hamilton wrote: > >> > >> The Washington Aerospace Club will be holding a launch this September > >> in Mansfield. This launch is an addition to our current launch > >> schedule, motivated by member interest and free flowing AP. We are > >> targeting the weekend of September 19th and 20th, but don't yet know > >> whether it will be held at the Sportsman's Club or the Ranch. In order > >> to determine our GSE needs we need to know who will be there. If you > >> plan to attend, please let me know. > >> > >> I hope to see you in September! > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> ?- Carl > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> members mailing list > >> members at washingtonaerospace.org > >> http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org > >> > > _______________________________________________ > members mailing list > members at washingtonaerospace.org > http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery Click here. From carl at mousetrap.com Wed Aug 19 12:34:48 2009 From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:34:48 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Mansfield launch in September! In-Reply-To: <4A887B61.1040505@geerwerkz.com> References: <4A887B61.1040505@geerwerkz.com> Message-ID: This will be a commercial-only launch, so yes, everybody is welcome to fly. Feedback has been positive, despite the fact that this launch is the same weekend as XPRS. Given the commitments I have received so far, I hope to have three high-power pads (rails only), three mid-power pads (rails or rods), and a rack of lower power pads. I don't plan on hauling the trailer, so if there is something special you need please let me know *way* ahead of time. Thanks. - Carl On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Robert Geer wrote: > > If this is open to NAR members, I'm in! > > Carl Hamilton wrote: >> >> The Washington Aerospace Club will be holding a launch this September >> in Mansfield. This launch is an addition to our current launch >> schedule, motivated by member interest and free flowing AP. We are >> targeting the weekend of September 19th and 20th, but don't yet know >> whether it will be held at the Sportsman's Club or the Ranch. In order >> to determine our GSE needs we need to know who will be there. If you >> plan to attend, please let me know. >> >> I hope to see you in September! >> >> Thanks. >> >> ?- Carl >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members mailing list >> members at washingtonaerospace.org >> http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org >> From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Wed Aug 19 18:45:41 2009 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:45:41 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO References: <91F973D6C860444B858A7DDFC8EE9BD1@desktop> Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300254@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Hey all, Attached is a picture of the 29/100 casing I recovered from the last flight of the Washington Aerospace Scholars program this year. Brand spanking new casing...first flight and all. Flew it on a G104 motor (end with a bang!...just didn't think it was going to be that literal!) I thought the flight looked a little funny, but since there was no damage to the rocket (note the adapter took the brunt) I didn't give it a second thought and left the casing to be cleaned out the next day. Boy was I surprised! Holes burnt through both sides of the case about 1/2" forward of the aft closure. Can't figure out how to do a proper forensic exam because the aft closure appears to have been welded onto the casing by the heat. I am assuming this is one of those "be persistent when you contact Aerotech customer service" moments! Peter Schurke Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School 1819 N 135th St. Seattle, WA 98133 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSCF7693.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 56373 bytes Desc: DSCF7693.JPG Url : http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20090819/22d9d3dd/attachment-0001.jpeg From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 18:58:32 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:58:32 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO References: <91F973D6C860444B858A7DDFC8EE9BD1@desktop> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300254@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: Peter, My first and maybe not the best response. Nossle was or got plugged. Versus a true cato, the gasses made there way through the aluminum side. I'd say you over pressurized. Check the nossle for issues. Should AT replace? Maybe. But should they? Yes. Remember to include your teaching title a couple times. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schurke, Peter" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO Hey all, Attached is a picture of the 29/100 casing I recovered from the last flight of the Washington Aerospace Scholars program this year. Brand spanking new casing...first flight and all. Flew it on a G104 motor (end with a bang!...just didn't think it was going to be that literal!) I thought the flight looked a little funny, but since there was no damage to the rocket (note the adapter took the brunt) I didn't give it a second thought and left the casing to be cleaned out the next day. Boy was I surprised! Holes burnt through both sides of the case about 1/2" forward of the aft closure. Can't figure out how to do a proper forensic exam because the aft closure appears to have been welded onto the casing by the heat. I am assuming this is one of those "be persistent when you contact Aerotech customer service" moments! Peter Schurke Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School 1819 N 135th St. Seattle, WA 98133 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From raystoner99 at comcast.net Wed Aug 19 19:44:34 2009 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:44:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO In-Reply-To: References: <91F973D6C860444B858A7DDFC8EE9BD1@desktop> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300254@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: <004101ca2140$279e9bd0$76dbd370$@net> I would call it a burn through. When they over pressurize they blow one end or the other out. This is a classic failure of liner material at the end of the grains...or rather, complete lack of liner material at the ends of the grains. It's a "flaw" in the design of the Aerotech motors. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:59 PM To: Schurke, Peter; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO Peter, My first and maybe not the best response. Nossle was or got plugged. Versus a true cato, the gasses made there way through the aluminum side. I'd say you over pressurized. Check the nossle for issues. Should AT replace? Maybe. But should they? Yes. Remember to include your teaching title a couple times. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schurke, Peter" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO Hey all, Attached is a picture of the 29/100 casing I recovered from the last flight of the Washington Aerospace Scholars program this year. Brand spanking new casing...first flight and all. Flew it on a G104 motor (end with a bang!...just didn't think it was going to be that literal!) I thought the flight looked a little funny, but since there was no damage to the rocket (note the adapter took the brunt) I didn't give it a second thought and left the casing to be cleaned out the next day. Boy was I surprised! Holes burnt through both sides of the case about 1/2" forward of the aft closure. Can't figure out how to do a proper forensic exam because the aft closure appears to have been welded onto the casing by the heat. I am assuming this is one of those "be persistent when you contact Aerotech customer service" moments! Peter Schurke Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School 1819 N 135th St. Seattle, WA 98133 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Thu Aug 20 01:23:56 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO In-Reply-To: <004101ca2140$279e9bd0$76dbd370$@net> References: <91F973D6C860444B858A7DDFC8EE9BD1@desktop> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300254@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> <004101ca2140$279e9bd0$76dbd370$@net> Message-ID: I concur. That's the result of a liner failure(or lack of liner material). The kind of tube used by AT for liners(spiral wound) has on rare occasions been known to have internal voids from manufacturing error. The inside and outside layers are there, but there's nothing in between in a limited region. Burn through is the usual result. This generally occurs when there is a break in the paper strip that forms the inner layer. A gap at the butt joint where one strip ends and its successor starts is the culprit. I have personally seen this problem on a delay grain liner tube. There was a spiral void running the entire length of the tube, resulting in premature ejection. That's one of the reasons I always look for this flaw and wet the ends of liner tubes with grease just in case. There is no practical way for the average hobbyist to check for this kind of flaw. You can look at the ends of the tube for any visible void there, but that will only detect a tiny percentage of such flaws. Obsessive-compulsive types could try using measurements of dielectric constant or magnetic susceptibility or infrared transmission or...you get the point. Looking for hidden flaws is one of the reasons pro-grade rocket motors cost so much. Hobbyists are better off just accepting that these things happen from time to time. +McG+ > I would call it a burn through. When they over pressurize they blow one > end > or the other out. > > This is a classic failure of liner material at the end of the grains...or > rather, complete lack of liner material at the ends of the grains. It's a > "flaw" in the design of the Aerotech motors. > > Ray > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Robert Krausert > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:59 PM > To: Schurke, Peter; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO > > Peter, > My first and maybe not the best response. > > Nossle was or got plugged. Versus a true cato, the gasses made there way > through the aluminum side. I'd say you over pressurized. Check the nossle > for issues. > > Should AT replace? Maybe. But should they? Yes. Remember to include your > teaching title a couple times. > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Schurke, Peter" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:45 PM > Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO > > > Hey all, > > Attached is a picture of the 29/100 casing I recovered from the last > flight > of the Washington Aerospace Scholars program this year. Brand spanking > new > casing...first flight and all. Flew it on a G104 motor (end with a > bang!...just didn't think it was going to be that literal!) > > I thought the flight looked a little funny, but since there was no damage > to > > the rocket (note the adapter took the brunt) I didn't give it a second > thought and left the casing to be cleaned out the next day. > > Boy was I surprised! Holes burnt through both sides of the case about > 1/2" > forward of the aft closure. Can't figure out how to do a proper forensic > exam because the aft closure appears to have been welded onto the casing > by > the heat. > > I am assuming this is one of those "be persistent when you contact > Aerotech > customer service" moments! > > Peter Schurke > Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > Ingraham High School > 1819 N 135th St. > Seattle, WA 98133 > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From rocfish74 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 20 05:35:07 2009 From: rocfish74 at hotmail.com (Mark Lyons) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 05:35:07 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300254@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> References: <91F973D6C860444B858A7DDFC8EE9BD1@desktop> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300254@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: My 1st guess would be a pinched or broken O-ring at the forward end of the nozzle. Somewhere I have a casing that looks very familiar. Did the same thing on an H128 in my 2.6" Patriot at FITS a couple of years ago. Burnt thru the casing and the airframe while doing cartwheels in the air. Not pretty. Mark > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:45:41 -0700 > From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO > > Hey all, > > Attached is a picture of the 29/100 casing I recovered from the last flight of the Washington Aerospace Scholars program this year. Brand spanking new casing...first flight and all. Flew it on a G104 motor (end with a bang!...just didn't think it was going to be that literal!) > > I thought the flight looked a little funny, but since there was no damage to the rocket (note the adapter took the brunt) I didn't give it a second thought and left the casing to be cleaned out the next day. > > Boy was I surprised! Holes burnt through both sides of the case about 1/2" forward of the aft closure. Can't figure out how to do a proper forensic exam because the aft closure appears to have been welded onto the casing by the heat. > > I am assuming this is one of those "be persistent when you contact Aerotech customer service" moments! > > Peter Schurke > Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > Ingraham High School > 1819 N 135th St. > Seattle, WA 98133 > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 -------------- next part -------------- My 1st guess would be a pinched or broken O-ring at the forward end of the nozzle. Somewhere I have a casing that looks very familiar. Did the same thing on an H128 in my 2.6" Patriot at FITS a couple of years ago. Burnt thru the casing and the airframe while doing cartwheels in the air. Not pretty. ? Mark ? > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:45:41 -0700 > From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO > > Hey all, > > Attached is a picture of the 29/100 casing I recovered from the last flight of the Washington Aerospace Scholars program this year. Brand spanking new casing...first flight and all. Flew it on a G104 motor (end with a bang!...just didn't think it was going to be that literal!) > > I thought the flight looked a little funny, but since there was no damage to the rocket (note the adapter took the brunt) I didn't give it a second thought and left the casing to be cleaned out the next day. > > Boy was I surprised! Holes burnt through both sides of the case about 1/2" forward of the aft closure. Can't figure out how to do a proper forensic exam because the aft closure appears to have been welded onto the casing by the heat. > > I am assuming this is one of those "be persistent when you contact Aerotech customer service" moments! > > Peter Schurke > Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > Ingraham High School > 1819 N 135th St. > Seattle, WA 98133 > > Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 Find out more. From absworld at cet.com Thu Aug 20 08:07:46 2009 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:07:46 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO In-Reply-To: References: <91F973D6C860444B858A7DDFC8EE9BD1@desktop> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300254@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: <00bc01ca21a7$fa27fc60$ee77f520$@com> Does that load use an aft phenolic seal disk? I agree with the O-ring theory but that's such a big honking unit that it'd be tough to pinch/break. Something sure let the heat 'out' at the fwd end of the nozzle. This is the primary reason I like to have a second pair of eyes monitoring as I roll a motor. When something goes 'wrong' I can look at my 'supervisor' and ask the question "I did build it right didn't I?". Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Mark Lyons Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:35 AM To: pmschurke at seattleschools.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO My 1st guess would be a pinched or broken O-ring at the forward end of the nozzle. Somewhere I have a casing that looks very familiar. Did the same thing on an H128 in my 2.6" Patriot at FITS a couple of years ago. Burnt thru the casing and the airframe while doing cartwheels in the air. Not pretty. Mark > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:45:41 -0700 > From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO > > Hey all, > > Attached is a picture of the 29/100 casing I recovered from the last flight of the Washington Aerospace Scholars program this year. Brand spanking new casing...first flight and all. Flew it on a G104 motor (end with a bang!...just didn't think it was going to be that literal!) > > I thought the flight looked a little funny, but since there was no damage to the rocket (note the adapter took the brunt) I didn't give it a second thought and left the casing to be cleaned out the next day. > > Boy was I surprised! Holes burnt through both sides of the case about 1/2" forward of the aft closure. Can't figure out how to do a proper forensic exam because the aft closure appears to have been welded onto the casing by the heat. > > I am assuming this is one of those "be persistent when you contact Aerotech customer service" moments! > > Peter Schurke > Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > Ingraham High School > 1819 N 135th St. > Seattle, WA 98133 > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON :WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 From john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com Thu Aug 20 08:25:23 2009 From: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com (john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:25:23 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300254@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> References: <91F973D6C860444B858A7DDFC8EE9BD1@desktop> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300254@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688418D76D6C7@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> Peter, From the picture I can tell that the lower part of the burn through occurred just above the nozzle. If the aft washer was not installed, you might get this kind of failure. That should be pretty easy to determine as the outer ring of the washer is still present after the motor is fired. It's also worth a look to confirm that the forward washer was installed as that would prevent the compression needed during assembly to block off the path for the hot propellant gasses. If the motor was assembled properly, my next suspect would be that the paper liner was too short, which would prevent the gas seal, even if the motor was assembled properly. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:46 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO Importance: Low Hey all, Attached is a picture of the 29/100 casing I recovered from the last flight of the Washington Aerospace Scholars program this year. Brand spanking new casing...first flight and all. Flew it on a G104 motor (end with a bang!...just didn't think it was going to be that literal!) I thought the flight looked a little funny, but since there was no damage to the rocket (note the adapter took the brunt) I didn't give it a second thought and left the casing to be cleaned out the next day. Boy was I surprised! Holes burnt through both sides of the case about 1/2" forward of the aft closure. Can't figure out how to do a proper forensic exam because the aft closure appears to have been welded onto the casing by the heat. I am assuming this is one of those "be persistent when you contact Aerotech customer service" moments! Peter Schurke Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School 1819 N 135th St. Seattle, WA 98133 From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Thu Aug 20 08:34:23 2009 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:34:23 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO References: <91F973D6C860444B858A7DDFC8EE9BD1@desktop> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300254@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688418D76D6C7@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300259@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Thanks all! I am sure that the o-ring was in there, because I had to remove the aft closure and clear the nozzle before I could get an igniter into it. I had one of my students stand there and hold the o-ring while I used an exacto knife to clear the flash from the throat of the nozzle, then reassembled the motor (with the o-ring). My best guess, short of disassembling to actually see, is either there was a liner problem or the o-ring pinched up on both sides and allowed a path for hot gasses to get to the casing. Peter Schurke Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School 1819 N 135th St. Seattle, WA 98133 ________________________________ From: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com [mailto:john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com] Sent: Thu 8/20/2009 8:25 AM To: Schurke, Peter; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: Motor CATO Peter, From the picture I can tell that the lower part of the burn through occurred just above the nozzle. If the aft washer was not installed, you might get this kind of failure. That should be pretty easy to determine as the outer ring of the washer is still present after the motor is fired. It's also worth a look to confirm that the forward washer was installed as that would prevent the compression needed during assembly to block off the path for the hot propellant gasses. If the motor was assembled properly, my next suspect would be that the paper liner was too short, which would prevent the gas seal, even if the motor was assembled properly. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:46 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO Importance: Low Hey all, Attached is a picture of the 29/100 casing I recovered from the last flight of the Washington Aerospace Scholars program this year. Brand spanking new casing...first flight and all. Flew it on a G104 motor (end with a bang!...just didn't think it was going to be that literal!) I thought the flight looked a little funny, but since there was no damage to the rocket (note the adapter took the brunt) I didn't give it a second thought and left the casing to be cleaned out the next day. Boy was I surprised! Holes burnt through both sides of the case about 1/2" forward of the aft closure. Can't figure out how to do a proper forensic exam because the aft closure appears to have been welded onto the casing by the heat. I am assuming this is one of those "be persistent when you contact Aerotech customer service" moments! Peter Schurke Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School 1819 N 135th St. Seattle, WA 98133 From jhadv at pacifier.com Thu Aug 20 08:40:54 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:40:54 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090820083647.0348cb98@mail.iinet.com> I'm surprised that a G motor ruptured the aluminum case like that. What's the burn time .6 seconds or something? Not a lot of time to transfer heat and the casing should have been strong enough to handle the pressure unless the casing was softened by heat. From rocfish74 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 20 12:24:47 2009 From: rocfish74 at hotmail.com (Mark Lyons) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:24:47 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO In-Reply-To: <00bc01ca21a7$fa27fc60$ee77f520$@com> References: <91F973D6C860444B858A7DDFC8EE9BD1@desktop> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300254@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> <00bc01ca21a7$fa27fc60$ee77f520$@com> Message-ID: BoBerT and All, The 29mm motoers use a 1/6" o-ring between the shoulder of the nozzle and the forward face of the aft closure, It's supposed to be compressed in a goove on the nozzle. Easy to pinch. :( Mark > From: absworld at cet.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:07:46 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO > > Does that load use an aft phenolic seal disk? > I agree with the O-ring theory but that's such a big honking unit that it'd > be tough to pinch/break. > Something sure let the heat 'out' at the fwd end of the nozzle. > > This is the primary reason I like to have a second pair of eyes monitoring > as I roll a motor. > When something goes 'wrong' I can look at my 'supervisor' and ask the > question "I did build it right didn't I?". > > Bob Yanecek > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Mark Lyons > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:35 AM > To: pmschurke at seattleschools.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO > > > My 1st guess would be a pinched or broken O-ring at the forward end of the > nozzle. Somewhere I have a casing that looks very familiar. Did the same > thing on an H128 in my 2.6" Patriot at FITS a couple of years ago. Burnt > thru the casing and the airframe while doing cartwheels in the air. Not > pretty. > > > > Mark > > > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:45:41 -0700 > > From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO > > > > Hey all, > > > > Attached is a picture of the 29/100 casing I recovered from the last > flight of the Washington Aerospace Scholars program this year. Brand > spanking new casing...first flight and all. Flew it on a G104 motor (end > with a bang!...just didn't think it was going to be that literal!) > > > > I thought the flight looked a little funny, but since there was no damage > to the rocket (note the adapter took the brunt) I didn't give it a second > thought and left the casing to be cleaned out the next day. > > > > Boy was I surprised! Holes burnt through both sides of the case about 1/2" > forward of the aft closure. Can't figure out how to do a proper forensic > exam because the aft closure appears to have been welded onto the casing by > the heat. > > > > I am assuming this is one of those "be persistent when you contact > Aerotech customer service" moments! > > > > Peter Schurke > > Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor > > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > > Ingraham High School > > 1819 N 135th St. > > Seattle, WA 98133 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. > http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON > :WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery -------------- next part -------------- BoBerT and?All, ? The 29mm motoers use a 1/6" o-ring between the shoulder of the nozzle and the forward face of the aft closure, It's supposed to be compressed in a goove? on the nozzle. Easy to pinch. :( ? Mark ? > From: absworld at cet.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:07:46 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO > > Does that load use an aft phenolic seal disk? > I agree with the O-ring theory but that's such a big honking unit that it'd > be tough to pinch/break. > Something sure let the heat 'out' at the fwd end of the nozzle. > > This is the primary reason I like to have a second pair of eyes monitoring > as I roll a motor. > When something goes 'wrong' I can look at my 'supervisor' and ask the > question "I did build it right didn't I?". > > Bob Yanecek > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Mark Lyons > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:35 AM > To: pmschurke at seattleschools.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO > > > My 1st guess would be a pinched or broken O-ring at the forward end of the > nozzle. Somewhere I have a casing that looks very familiar. Did the same > thing on an H128 in my 2.6" Patriot at FITS a couple of years ago. Burnt > thru the casing and the airframe while doing cartwheels in the air. Not > pretty. > > > > Mark > > > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:45:41 -0700 > > From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO > > > > Hey all, > > > > Attached is a picture of the 29/100 casing I recovered from the last > flight of the Washington Aerospace Scholars program this year. Brand > spanking new casing...first flight and all. Flew it on a G104 motor (end > with a bang!...just didn't think it was going to be that literal!) > > > > I thought the flight looked a little funny, but since there was no damage > to the rocket (note the adapter took the brunt) I didn't give it a second > thought and left the casing to be cleaned out the next day. > > > > Boy was I surprised! Holes burnt through both sides of the case about 1/2" > forward of the aft closure. Can't figure out how to do a proper forensic > exam because the aft closure appears to have been welded onto the casing by > the heat. > > > > I am assuming this is one of those "be persistent when you contact > Aerotech customer service" moments! > > > > Peter Schurke > > Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor > > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > > Ingraham High School > > 1819 N 135th St. > > Seattle, WA 98133 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. > http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON > :WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery Click here. From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Fri Aug 21 02:50:07 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090820083647.0348cb98@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090820083647.0348cb98@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <7c12768c0b55ebfacbf7969b9e9ce65a.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> I remember a rule of thumb about the maximum temperature that a metal can generally be used under load--something like half or one-third of its melting point in absolute degrees. Aluminum is a known exception that heat softens at lower temperatures. It doesn't take much exposure to flame for aluminum to turn to butter. Actually, it initially kind of surprised me that reload casings were made of aluminum alloy. +McG+ > I'm surprised that a G motor ruptured the aluminum case like that. What's > the burn time .6 seconds or something? Not a lot of time to transfer heat > and the casing should have been strong enough to handle the pressure > unless > the casing was softened by heat. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 21 06:14:07 2009 From: jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com (Jack Anderson) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:14:07 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty In-Reply-To: <002d01ca1f99$89ea6e20$9dbf4a60$@net> References: <6bc920e40908171131g66616c6el5b89256e934194fe@mail.gmail.com> <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121FA4@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> <002d01ca1f99$89ea6e20$9dbf4a60$@net> Message-ID: FYI: I called Aerotech's warranty extension and left a voice mail Tuesday. I got an email the next day asking for some pictures and then yesterday I got a phone call from Karl Baumann at Aerotech who was calling to let me know that they were going to send me an new M650. He said that they were actually working on changing the nozzle design and they would send me one of the new designs when they were available. I asked if they could just substitute an M1315 since the M650 was kind of a pain to build, and he was fine with that so he is sending me an M1315 today. He was actually a very friendly guy and we probably chatted about rocket motors and rocket launches for 15 or 20 minutes. -------------------------------------------------- From: "W. Raymond Stoner" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:19 PM To: "'Jack Anderson'" ; "'Rockets NW list'" Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty > It took several months and numerous phone calls for me to get my casing > and > reload replaced after a CATO. Several promises of it'll go out soon and > we > are out of stock on the reload... > > Good luck, be persistent and hope. > > Ray > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Jack Anderson > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:18 PM > To: Rockets NW list > Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty > > I flew an Aerotech M650 on August 1st and the motor apparently over > pressurized and spit the nozzle out about a second or so into the burn. I > contacted Aerotech about a possible warrant claim and they requested > photos > of the nozzle, unburned grains, launch photos and a copy of my NAR card > and > drivers license. When I sent all the information they asked for back to > the > > email address they contacted me with, I got failure notices from my email > server. So I sent the same information to the email address on the > Aerotech > > website (warranty at aerotech-rocketry.com) which seemed to go through > without > error, but I have not heard anything more from them. Any idea how long > they > > take to look at something like this? I am not even sure they received the > photos I sent them. > > http://uroc.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10164/HF2009-20.JPG > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From MartyWeiser at comcast.net Fri Aug 21 07:36:11 2009 From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty Weiser) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:36:11 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO In-Reply-To: <7c12768c0b55ebfacbf7969b9e9ce65a.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090820083647.0348cb98@mail.iinet.com> <7c12768c0b55ebfacbf7969b9e9ce65a.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Message-ID: <003c01ca226c$bb768700$32639500$@net> Yes the general rule of thumb is about 1/2 to 2/3 of the melting point on the absolute scale. Aluminum alloys generally melt in the 550 - 630C range (pure Al is at 660C) which is 823 - 903 Kelvin. Half to 2/3 of the upper end is 450 - 600K or 177 - 327C which is not all that hot, particularly compared to flame temperatures in a rocket motor. Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:50 AM To: Paul Bogdanich Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO I remember a rule of thumb about the maximum temperature that a metal can generally be used under load--something like half or one-third of its melting point in absolute degrees. Aluminum is a known exception that heat softens at lower temperatures. It doesn't take much exposure to flame for aluminum to turn to butter. Actually, it initially kind of surprised me that reload casings were made of aluminum alloy. +McG+ > I'm surprised that a G motor ruptured the aluminum case like that. What's > the burn time .6 seconds or something? Not a lot of time to transfer heat > and the casing should have been strong enough to handle the pressure > unless > the casing was softened by heat. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Aug 21 08:55:22 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:55:22 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttle Discovery Launch (STS-128), Tuesday, 24AUG09/2236 PDT (Wednesday, 25AUG09/0136 EDT) Message-ID: <4A8EC36A.6010305@earthlink.net> Mission Statistics Mission name: STS-128 Space shuttle: Discovery Spacecraft mass: TBD Launch pad: LC-39A Launch date: 24 August 2009, 10:36 p.m. PDT (05:36 UTC, 25 August 2009) Landing: 6 September 2009, 5:40 p.m. PDT (00:40 UTC, 7 September 2009) at KSC. Mission duration: 13 days Number of orbits planned: TBD Orbital period: TBD Orbital inclination/altitude: 51.6 degrees/122 nautical miles NASA STS-128 press kit. http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/379392main_STS-128_Press_Kit.pdf Mission Summary http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/376254main_STS128%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf STS-128 (ISS assembly flight 17A) is the next space shuttle mission to the International Space Station (ISS). It is expected to use Space Shuttle Discovery with a planned launch on 24 August 2009 at 10:36PM PDT (22:03 UTC) and is scheduled to return Sunday, 6 September 2009 at 5:40PM PDT, 8:40PM EDT (00:40 UTC, 7 September 2009). Crew Commander: Frederick W. Sturckow (Fourth spaceflight) Pilot: Kevin A. Ford (First spaceflight) Mission Specialist 1: Patrick G. Forrester (Third spaceflight) Mission Specialist 2: Jose M. Hern?ndez (First spaceflight, Flight Engineer) Mission Specialist 3: Christer Fuglesang, ESA (Second spaceflight, EVA#3) Mission Specialist 4: John D. Olivas (Second spaceflight, Lead Spacewalker, EVA#1) Mission Specialist 5: Nicole Stott (ISS Expedition 20, First spaceflight, EVA#2) launching Timothy Kopra, ISS Expedition 20, First spaceflight) landing Mission Payload: The primary payload of STS-128 is the Multi-Purpose Logistics Module Leonardo. Leonardo's purpose is to assist with establishing a six-man crew capacity by bringing extra supplies and equipment to the station. The MPLM will contain three racks for life support, a Crew quarter to be installed in Kibo, a new treadmill (C.O.L.B.E.R.T.) that will temporarily be placed in Node 2 and later in Node 3 and an Atmospheric Revitalization System (ARS) that will temporarily be placed in Kibo and later in Node 3. It will also contain three racks dedicated to science, FIR (Fluids Integrated Rack) and the first Materials Science Research Rack (MSRR-1) to be placed in Destiny and MELFI-2 (Minus Eighty Laboratory Freezer for ISS) to be placed in Kibo. The FIR will enable detailed study of how liquids behave in microgravity, a crucial detail for many chemical reactions. One experiment, for instance, will examine how mixtures known as colloids behave without being stirred by sedimentation and convection. Another using the Light Microscopy Module (LMM) will examine how an ideal heat pipe works without the distortions of microgravity. The shuttle will also carry a Lightweight Multi-Purpose Experiment Support Structure Carrier. It will contain a new ammonia tank that will replace an empty tank during an EVA. The STS-128 mission (as did STS-125 and STS-127) will take part in crew seat vibration tests that will help engineers on the ground understand how astronauts experience launch. They will then use the information to help design the crew seats that will be used in future NASA spacecraft. STS-128 will be repeating the Boundary Layer Transition (BLT) Detailed Test Objective (DTO) experiment that was done by the same shuttle during STS-119. In this experiment, one of the thermal protection system tile will be raised to create a boundary layer transition in which the air flow becomes turbulent beyond a certain speed. During STS-119 the tile was raised 0.25 inches (6.4 mm) above the others, tripping the flow at Mach 15 during reentry. In the modification being done, the tile has been raised 0.35 inches (8.9 mm) which will trip at Mach 18 producing more heat. Discovery will be also be undertaking the testing of a catalytic coating which is meant to be used by the Orion (spacecraft). Two TPS tiles located in the protuberance downstream from the BLT tile has been fully coated with the catalytic material in order to understand the entry heating performance. The tiles are instrumented to collect a wide variety of data. The mission marks: 159th American manned space flight 128th shuttle mission since STS-1 37th flight of Discovery 30th shuttle mission to the ISS 103rd post-Challenger mission 15th post-Columbia mission STS 128 is planned to be the last Space Shuttle flight used for ISS crew rotation, with Nicole Stott replacing Tim Kopra. Stott will return on STS 129, but that flight will not bring her replacement. STS-128 is the third to the last of the Space Shuttle missions before they are retired from service. Twitter Page STS-127: http://twitter.com/STS128 NASA's: https://twitter.com/nasa SpaceFlight Now: http://twitter.com/spaceflightnow/ Websites: NASA's Space Shuttle page: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/index.html NASA' STS-128 page: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts128/index.html SpaceFlight Now, Live Mission Updates: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts128/status.html Space.com Launch and Mission Coverage: http://www.space.com/spaceshuttle/ Watching the Launch http://www.fromil.com/tv/index.php?radio=5 http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html http://www.floridatoday.com/content/blogs/space/livenasatv.shtml http://www.floridatoday.com/content/multimedia/space/livenasamediafeed.html http://www.spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts128/status.html Live Web Cams at Kennedy Space Center and Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida and Vandenburg AFB in California. http://www.floridatoday.com/content/maps/spacewebcams.shtml Tracking the Shuttle and the ISS http://heavens-above.com/ http://www.n2yo.com/ http://spaceweather.com/flybys/ http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/ http://science.nasa.gov/RealTime/jtrack/ Videos STS-128 Discovery Crew Arrival KSC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZC3graGf50 STS-128 crew performs equipment checkout at KSC. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0_IsOJotbI COLBERT payload roll over to launch pad 39A. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvOcbIRXP-s STS-128 Discovery roll over to the VAB and lift onto the External Tank. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIRVBj_ILPw STS-128 Discovery roll out to the launch pad 39A. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nx7gsKaK5g STS-128 media question and answer session with the astronauts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15vHW9kAMkI STS-128 ESA astronaut Christer Fuglesang's mission. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0vpuAnAZNY STS-128 Preflight Press Briefing Program Overview 13AUG09 (1hr., 2mins.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfF3ZHNQjjY STS-128 Preflight Briefing Animation (3mins., 39secs.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1yEogtoKUU From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Aug 21 09:00:32 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:00:32 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Launch Forecast Message-ID: <4A8EC4A0.3070808@earthlink.net> http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/launches/launch_schedule.html From jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 21 09:36:43 2009 From: jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com (Jack Anderson) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:36:43 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty In-Reply-To: <003201ca226c$1d9f6c40$58de44c0$@com> References: <6bc920e40908171131g66616c6el5b89256e934194fe@mail.gmail.com> <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121FA4@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> <002d01ca1f99$89ea6e20$9dbf4a60$@net> <003201ca226c$1d9f6c40$58de44c0$@com> Message-ID: The core of the M650 is not down the middle of the grains. It is 1/4 inch or so from the edge of the grains so when you assemble it you have to line up all of the grains so the hole in each grain lines up. Here is a picture of the grains that I recovered after the motor failure. http://www.rockethead.net/images/Grains3.JPG They looked better before they blew up , but you can get the idea. The aft grain has a wider core at the bottom so you can run the igniter wire through the center of the nozzle and still end up going up the core on the edge. In the instructions that come with the motor Aerotech tells you to epoxy the 5 grains together using a dowel (not included) to line the core of each grain up making sure the aft grain is at the bottom of the stack with the wide end of the core on the bottom of the aft grain. And make sure you get that dowel out of the grains before the epoxy sets up or you will have a five grain stack with no core because there is now a dowel epoxied in the hole. After the grains are epoxied together then you insert them into the liner and the rest of the assembly is pretty much like any other 75 mm reload. When I bought my reload the hobby store warned me not to use 5 minute epoxy to build it or I would not have time to line things up and get the dowel out before the epoxy set up. With 15 minute epoxy it ended up taking me around 3 hours to build the motor, although now that I have done it I think 5 minute epoxy would have been fine. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob & Ann Yanecek" Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:31 AM To: "'Jack Anderson'" Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty > Jack, > > What kind of 'pain' are you talking about when building the 650? > I was thinking about trying one out sometime in the future as I have the > hardware from my L3 cert flight. > > Oh yea, thanks for the 3*4G54 AMW loads + hardware that you sold to Paul > Nelson who then sold them to me. > Both the K475WW and K530GG took a bit of effort to build as the overall > stacked grain length was too long by about 0.1" thus preventing the snap > rings from seating. A little hand trimming off the end of one grain > solved > the problem. As is typical, the GG was a pain to get lit but once I got > the > 'right' igniter, off it went to 12,164' (the K475 hit 12,384'). > I flew the K700BB last weekend to 13.4K'. > > Bob Yanecek > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Jack Anderson > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 6:14 AM > To: W. Raymond Stoner; 'Rockets NW list' > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty > > FYI: I called Aerotech's warranty extension and left a voice mail > Tuesday. > I got an email the next day asking for some pictures and then yesterday I > got a phone call from Karl Baumann at Aerotech who was calling to let me > know that they were going to send me an new M650. He said that they were > actually working on changing the nozzle design and they would send me one > of > > the new designs when they were available. I asked if they could just > substitute an M1315 since the M650 was kind of a pain to build, and he was > fine with that so he is sending me an M1315 today. He was actually a very > friendly guy and we probably chatted about rocket motors and rocket > launches > > for 15 or 20 minutes. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "W. Raymond Stoner" > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:19 PM > To: "'Jack Anderson'" ; "'Rockets NW list'" > > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty > >> It took several months and numerous phone calls for me to get my casing >> and >> reload replaced after a CATO. Several promises of it'll go out soon and >> we >> are out of stock on the reload... >> >> Good luck, be persistent and hope. >> >> Ray >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >> On Behalf Of Jack Anderson >> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:18 PM >> To: Rockets NW list >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty >> >> I flew an Aerotech M650 on August 1st and the motor apparently over >> pressurized and spit the nozzle out about a second or so into the burn. >> I >> contacted Aerotech about a possible warrant claim and they requested >> photos >> of the nozzle, unburned grains, launch photos and a copy of my NAR card >> and >> drivers license. When I sent all the information they asked for back to >> the >> >> email address they contacted me with, I got failure notices from my email >> server. So I sent the same information to the email address on the >> Aerotech >> >> website (warranty at aerotech-rocketry.com) which seemed to go through >> without >> error, but I have not heard anything more from them. Any idea how long >> they >> >> take to look at something like this? I am not even sure they received >> the >> photos I sent them. >> >> http://uroc.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10164/HF2009-20.JPG >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > From sb at berfield.com Fri Aug 21 12:34:01 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:34:01 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Seattle area source for shooter wire? Message-ID: Looking for a local source for a 500 foot spool of "shooter wire" -- essentially 2 conductor, solid core, 22 - 24 ga copper wire. I can order it, but could use is sooner and would rather avoid shipping costs. ANy suggestions? scott -------------- next part -------------- Looking for a local source for a 500 foot spool of "shooter wire" -- essentially 2 conductor, solid core, 22 - 24 ga copper wire. I can order it, but could use is sooner and would rather avoid shipping costs. ANy suggestions? scott From sealtee at cableone.net Fri Aug 21 12:36:05 2009 From: sealtee at cableone.net (Cameron Tinder) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:36:05 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt... Message-ID: <000901ca2296$a0801db0$e1805910$@net> I just posted the on board video from my L2 cert flight that was inside my Modified JayHawk that I call the "ICU". Please be sure to have your therapist set up on speed dial as you may find this video a little disturbing. I know I do! I am sure that I must have mis-wired the dual MAWD's for your video entertainment, so go ahead and enjoy it as I don't plan on doing it this way again anytime soon! Here is the link: http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/ICUflight1.0010.mpg Cameron Tinder Still NAR & TRA L1 -------------- next part -------------- I just posted the on board video from my L2 cert flight that was inside my Modified JayHawk that I call the ???ICU???. Please be sure to have your therapist set up on speed dial as you may find this video a little disturbing??? I know I do! I am sure that I must have mis-wired the dual MAWD???s for your video entertainment, so go ahead and enjoy it as I don???t plan on doing it this way again anytime soon! ? Here is the link:? http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/ICUflight1.0010.mpg http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/ICUflight1.0010.mpg ? Cameron Tinder Still NAR & TRA L1 ? From sb at berfield.com Fri Aug 21 12:38:07 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:38:07 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Pro75 L1410 hardware Message-ID: Anyone know if the Pro75 L1410 can be used in an RMS case like many of the other Pro75s can? I have had no luck getting an answer from CTI. I am trying to scrounge hardware for XPRS. -------------- next part -------------- Anyone know if the Pro75 L1410 can be used in an RMS case like many of the other Pro75s can? I have had no luck getting an answer from CTI. I am trying to scrounge hardware for XPRS. From sb at berfield.com Fri Aug 21 12:43:19 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:43:19 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt... Message-ID: THat's one tough camera! -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Tinder [mailto:sealtee at cableone.net] Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:36 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt... I just posted the on board video from my L2 cert flight that was inside myModified JayHawk that I call the "ICU". Please be sure to have your therapist set up on speed dial as you may findthis video a little disturbing. I know I do!I am sure that I must have mis-wired the dual MAWD's for your videoentertainment, so go ahead and enjoy it as I don't plan on doing it this way again anytime soon! Here is the link: http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/ICUflight1.0010.mpg Cameron TinderStill NAR & TRA L1 -------------- next part -------------- THat's one tough camera! ? -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Tinder [mailto:sealtee at cableone.net] Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:36 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt... I just posted the on board video from my L2 cert flight that was inside my Modified JayHawk that I call the "ICU". Please be sure to have your therapist set up on speed dial as you may find this video a little disturbing. I know I do! I am sure that I must have mis-wired the dual MAWD's for your video entertainment, so go ahead and enjoy it as I don't plan on doing it this way again anytime soon! Here is the link: http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/ICUflight1.0010.mpg Cameron Tinder Still NAR & TRA L1 From fred.azinger at intel.com Fri Aug 21 12:42:04 2009 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:42:04 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt... In-Reply-To: <000901ca2296$a0801db0$e1805910$@net> References: <000901ca2296$a0801db0$e1805910$@net> Message-ID: Listen close and you can here the clicks of his homemade tethers fire at apogee... Thx for posting Cameron -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:36 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt... I just posted the on board video from my L2 cert flight that was inside my Modified JayHawk that I call the "ICU". Please be sure to have your therapist set up on speed dial as you may find this video a little disturbing. I know I do! I am sure that I must have mis-wired the dual MAWD's for your video entertainment, so go ahead and enjoy it as I don't plan on doing it this way again anytime soon! Here is the link: http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/ICUflight1.0010.mpg Cameron Tinder Still NAR & TRA L1 From dmobley at rocketryplanet.com Fri Aug 21 12:51:51 2009 From: dmobley at rocketryplanet.com (Darrell D. Mobley) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:51:51 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] Pro75 L1410 hardware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, not unless you want to do it at a TRA Research launch. http://pro38.com/faqs.php#certification > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Scott Berfield > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:38 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Pro75 L1410 hardware > > Anyone know if the Pro75 L1410 can be used in an RMS case like many of the > other Pro75s can? I have had no luck getting an answer from CTI. I am > trying to scrounge hardware for XPRS. > From sb at berfield.com Fri Aug 21 12:56:01 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:56:01 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Pro75 L1410 hardware Message-ID: Thanks. Was hoping maybe the L1410 had gotten certed in the meantime since the doc was posted. I am trying to be cheap and borrow HW, and I am pretty sure I can borrow the RMS case. I may end up just biting the bullet and buying the CTI hardware. It is turning out to be an expensive year. -----Original Message----- From: Darrell D. Mobley [mailto:dmobley at rocketryplanet.com] Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:51 PM To: ''Scott Berfield'', rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Pro75 L1410 hardware No, not unless you want to do it at a TRA Research launch.http://pro38.com/faqs.php#certification> -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> On Behalf Of Scott Berfield> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:38 PM> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: [RocketsNW] Pro75 L1410 hardware> > Anyone know if the Pro75 L1410 can be used in an RMS case like many of the> other Pro75s can? I have had no luck getting an answer from CTI. I am> trying to scrounge hardware for XPRS.> -------------- next part -------------- Thanks. Was hoping maybe the L1410 had gotten certed in the meantime since the doc was posted. I am trying to be cheap and borrow HW, and I am pretty sure I can borrow the RMS case. I may end up just biting the bullet and buying the CTI hardware. It is turning out to be an expensive year. ? -----Original Message----- From: Darrell D. Mobley [mailto:dmobley at rocketryplanet.com] Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:51 PM To: ''Scott Berfield'', rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Pro75 L1410 hardware No, not unless you want to do it at a TRA Research launch. http://pro38.com/faqs.php#certification > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Scott Berfield > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:38 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Pro75 L1410 hardware > > Anyone know if the Pro75 L1410 can be used in an RMS case like many of the > other Pro75s can? I have had no luck getting an answer from CTI. I am > trying to scrounge hardware for XPRS. > From dmrandall at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 13:36:46 2009 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:36:46 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt... In-Reply-To: References: <000901ca2296$a0801db0$e1805910$@net> Message-ID: <6bc920e40908211336k1ad17f54odc032dc301230252@mail.gmail.com> Yep, there is actually a visible shake to the video at those two pop's. So, Cameron, did the apogee charges fire too and just not separate the rocket, or did they never fire? On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Azinger, Fred wrote: > Listen close and you can here the clicks of his homemade tethers fire at apogee... > Thx for posting Cameron > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:36 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt... > > I just posted the on board video from my L2 cert flight that was inside my > Modified JayHawk that I call the "ICU". > > Please be sure to have your therapist set up on speed dial as you may find > this video a little disturbing. I know I do! > > I am sure that I must have mis-wired the dual MAWD's for your video > entertainment, so go ahead and > > enjoy it as I don't plan on doing it this way again anytime soon! > > > > Here is the link: ?http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/ICUflight1.0010.mpg > > > > Cameron Tinder > > Still NAR & TRA L1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From fred.azinger at intel.com Fri Aug 21 13:49:55 2009 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:49:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt... Message-ID: It was an all-out-the-top deploy. The cross wired pyros fired the tethers at the top instead of deploying the drogue.....so no airframe break occurred. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Randall To: Azinger, Fred Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Fri Aug 21 13:36:46 2009 Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt... Yep, there is actually a visible shake to the video at those two pop's. So, Cameron, did the apogee charges fire too and just not separate the rocket, or did they never fire? On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Azinger, Fred wrote: > Listen close and you can here the clicks of his homemade tethers fire at apogee... > Thx for posting Cameron > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:36 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt... > > I just posted the on board video from my L2 cert flight that was inside my > Modified JayHawk that I call the "ICU". > > Please be sure to have your therapist set up on speed dial as you may find > this video a little disturbing. I know I do! > > I am sure that I must have mis-wired the dual MAWD's for your video > entertainment, so go ahead and > > enjoy it as I don't plan on doing it this way again anytime soon! > > > > Here is the link: ?http://www.rocketsnw.com/uploads/ICUflight1.0010.mpg > > > > Cameron Tinder > > Still NAR & TRA L1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From bjarchow at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 19:53:37 2009 From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:53:37 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttle Discovery Launch (STS-128), Tuesday, 24AUG09/2236 PDT (Wednesday, 25AUG09/0136 EDT) In-Reply-To: <4A8EC36A.6010305@earthlink.net> References: <4A8EC36A.6010305@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Unfortunately I will no longer be in Florida then. But today I visited the Kennedy Space Center and saw Discovery out on the pad. The tour buses came close to the VAB and SPF buildings - the VAB is huge in pictures, but I don't have the words to describe being close to it! If you can afford it, plan a pilgrimage to the Kennedy Space Center. Once they have things going, assuming they get there, I am thinking my level 3 bird will be a scale model of the Ares launch vehicle. Brian On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Hammer wrote: > Mission Statistics > Mission name: STS-128 > Space shuttle: Discovery > Spacecraft mass: TBD > Launch pad: LC-39A > Launch date: 24 August 2009, 10:36 p.m. PDT (05:36 UTC, 25 August 2009) > Landing: 6 September 2009, 5:40 p.m. PDT (00:40 UTC, 7 September 2009) > at KSC. > Mission duration: 13 days > Number of orbits planned: TBD > Orbital period: TBD > Orbital inclination/altitude: 51.6 degrees/122 nautical miles > -------------- next part -------------- If you can afford it, plan a pilgrimage to the Kennedy Space Center. Once they have things going, assuming they get there, I am thinking my level 3 bird will be a scale model of the Ares launch vehicle. Brian On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Hammer < mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net > wrote: Mission Statistics Mission name: STS-128 Space shuttle: ?Discovery Spacecraft mass: TBD Launch pad: LC-39A Launch date: 24 August 2009, 10:36 p.m. PDT (05:36 UTC, 25 August 2009) Landing: 6 September 2009, 5:40 p.m. PDT (00:40 UTC, 7 September 2009) at KSC. Mission duration: 13 days Number of orbits planned: TBD Orbital period: TBD Orbital inclination/altitude: 51.6 degrees/122 nautical miles From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Aug 21 20:22:33 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:22:33 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttle Discovery Launch (STS-128), Tuesday, 24AUG09/2236 PDT (Wednesday, 25AUG09/0136 EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A8EC36A.6010305@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4A8F6479.5090400@earthlink.net> You can download paper models of the Ares 1 and 5 for free from this website. There is also an Ares 1 stomp rocket you can download and make. http://www.jleslie48.com/gallery_models_real.html They also have models of the Saturn V, the Space Shuttle, the X-33, and many more. Robert Brian Jarchow wrote: > If you can afford it, plan a pilgrimage to the Kennedy Space Center. > Once they have things going, assuming they get there, I am thinking my level 3 bird will be a scale model of the Ares launch vehicle. > Brian > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Hammer > < mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net > > wrote: > Mission Statistics > Mission name: STS-128 > Space shuttle: Discovery > Spacecraft mass: TBD > Launch pad: LC-39A > Launch date: 24 August 2009, 10:36 p.m. PDT (05:36 UTC, 25 August 2009) > Landing: 6 September 2009, 5:40 p.m. PDT (00:40 UTC, 7 September 2009) > at KSC. > Mission duration: 13 days > Number of orbits planned: TBD > Orbital period: TBD > Orbital inclination/altitude: 51.6 degrees/122 nautical miles > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sat Aug 22 01:15:52 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] question aboutTV spaceplane Message-ID: <45d7cd7f907b2b4ee80312f98ddf9efb.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Lately I've been watching the Star Trek Enterprise series on DVD from Netflix. (Netflix because the gov't "improved" television to the point it really doesn't work anymore like they're trying to do for health care, but I don't want to get into that here. Greg will whap me on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper again! Bad Ken, bad Ken...). Anyway, in the show's opening credits they show a sleek pumpkin seed shaped spaceplane pulling away from a refueling station. I looked on the net for actual proposed and experimental spaceplanes and found nothing quite like it, so I assume it's purely a fictional design. But I really like the lines of the thing. Does anyone know where I could get the 'blueprint' for this? Yes, now I have a little tiny dribble of income I'm optimistically thinking ahead about things rocket again. Things not just tubes and cones. Thx. +McG+ From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sat Aug 22 01:38:23 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO In-Reply-To: <003c01ca226c$bb768700$32639500$@net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090820083647.0348cb98@mail.iinet.com> <7c12768c0b55ebfacbf7969b9e9ce65a.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> <003c01ca226c$bb768700$32639500$@net> Message-ID: <7f3fd579e81d7695fe973bb50bca07fc.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> In my only real engineering class the prof pointed out that aluminum starts to undergo significant loss of structural strength at around 40%-50% its absolute melting point, which is not much more than the boiling point of water. Beyond half it's pretty useless structurally. Most metals do better, but it all depends on your definition of "significant load." I just couldn't remember the actual general rule. Hobby motor casings are totally dependent on insulating the metal from the combustion gases. We all know how little leakage it takes to do permanent damage to a case. In the big picture it makes perfect sense to use aluminum. Just seemed kind of weird at first. But the point is, the case material doesn't have to get all that hot before it starts getting soft. And the high thermal conductivity of aluminum guarantees that the temperature differential between the inside and outside surfaces will be small. So the time that bare case can be exposed to the hot gas in the motor without burn-through is very brief. +McG+ > Yes the general rule of thumb is about 1/2 to 2/3 of the melting point on > the absolute scale. Aluminum alloys generally melt in the 550 - 630C > range > (pure Al is at 660C) which is 823 - 903 Kelvin. Half to 2/3 of the upper > end is 450 - 600K or 177 - 327C which is not all that hot, particularly > compared to flame temperatures in a rocket motor. > > Marty > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:50 AM > To: Paul Bogdanich > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO > > I remember a rule of thumb about the maximum temperature that a metal can > generally be used under load--something like half or one-third of its > melting point in absolute degrees. Aluminum is a known exception that > heat softens at lower temperatures. It doesn't take much exposure to > flame for aluminum to turn to butter. > > Actually, it initially kind of surprised me that reload casings were made > of aluminum alloy. > +McG+ > > >> I'm surprised that a G motor ruptured the aluminum case like that. >> What's >> the burn time .6 seconds or something? Not a lot of time to transfer >> heat >> and the casing should have been strong enough to handle the pressure >> unless >> the casing was softened by heat. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Sat Aug 22 01:41:11 2009 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:41:11 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] question aboutTV spaceplane In-Reply-To: <45d7cd7f907b2b4ee80312f98ddf9efb.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> References: <45d7cd7f907b2b4ee80312f98ddf9efb.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Message-ID: <4A8FAF27.90805@hawkfeather.com> You might check here: http://www.merzo.net/ Andrew. kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: > Lately I've been watching the Star Trek Enterprise series on DVD from > Netflix. (Netflix because the gov't "improved" television to the point it > really doesn't work anymore like they're trying to do for health care, but > I don't want to get into that here. Greg will whap me on the nose with a > rolled-up newspaper again! Bad Ken, bad Ken...). Anyway, in the show's > opening credits they show a sleek pumpkin seed shaped spaceplane pulling > away from a refueling station. > > I looked on the net for actual proposed and experimental spaceplanes and > found nothing quite like it, so I assume it's purely a fictional design. > But I really like the lines of the thing. Does anyone know where I could > get the 'blueprint' for this? > > Yes, now I have a little tiny dribble of income I'm optimistically > thinking ahead about things rocket again. Things not just tubes and > cones. > Thx. > +McG+ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sat Aug 22 01:42:23 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttle Discovery Launch (STS-128), Tuesday, 24AUG09/2236 PDT (Wednesday, 25AUG09/0136 EDT) In-Reply-To: <4A8F6479.5090400@earthlink.net> References: <4A8EC36A.6010305@earthlink.net> <4A8F6479.5090400@earthlink.net> Message-ID: My browser ID'ed that site as an "attack" site and blocked access. Best scan for malware if you went there. +McG+ > You can download paper models of the Ares 1 and 5 for free from this > website. There is also an Ares 1 stomp rocket you can download and make. > http://www.jleslie48.com/gallery_models_real.html > > They also have models of the Saturn V, the Space Shuttle, the X-33, and > many more. > > Robert > > Brian Jarchow wrote: >> If you can afford it, plan a pilgrimage to the Kennedy Space Center. >> Once they have things going, assuming they get there, I am thinking my >> level 3 bird will be a scale model of the Ares launch vehicle. >> Brian >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Hammer >> < mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net >> hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net >> >> wrote: >> Mission Statistics >> Mission name: STS-128 >> Space shuttle: Discovery >> Spacecraft mass: TBD >> Launch pad: LC-39A >> Launch date: 24 August 2009, 10:36 p.m. PDT (05:36 UTC, 25 August 2009) >> Landing: 6 September 2009, 5:40 p.m. PDT (00:40 UTC, 7 September 2009) >> at KSC. >> Mission duration: 13 days >> Number of orbits planned: TBD >> Orbital period: TBD >> Orbital inclination/altitude: 51.6 degrees/122 nautical miles >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sat Aug 22 02:32:50 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 02:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] question aboutTV spaceplane In-Reply-To: <4A8FAF27.90805@hawkfeather.com> References: <45d7cd7f907b2b4ee80312f98ddf9efb.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> <4A8FAF27.90805@hawkfeather.com> Message-ID: <4e14a6caa68bf11006479a1c8f5929aa.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Didn't see it there, but I bookmarked the site. :-) It's not that I want to do a scale model, just interested in exploring similar shapes. I'll probably end up playing around in Mathcad with distorting ellipsoids, then add on fins. I was intrigued by what appear to be control flaps below and inside the fins. I'm thinking steep angle of descent glider--a circling side-descender. Hmmm. Wonder if I played the DVD on my computer if I could pause play and screen print? Of course, Rocksim would be no help in figuring CP. ;-) Good excuse to use up some my Estes mini-A's experimentally determining stability. +McG+ > You might check here: > > http://www.merzo.net/ > > Andrew. > > kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: > > Lately I've been watching the Star Trek Enterprise series on DVD from > > Netflix. (Netflix because the gov't "improved" television to the point > it > > really doesn't work anymore like they're trying to do for health > care, but > > I don't want to get into that here. Greg will whap me on the nose with > a > > rolled-up newspaper again! Bad Ken, bad Ken...). Anyway, in the > show's > > opening credits they show a sleek pumpkin seed shaped spaceplane > pulling > > away from a refueling station. > > > > I looked on the net for actual proposed and experimental spaceplanes > and > > found nothing quite like it, so I assume it's purely a fictional > design. > > But I really like the lines of the thing. Does anyone know where I > could > > get the 'blueprint' for this? > > > > Yes, now I have a little tiny dribble of income I'm optimistically > > thinking ahead about things rocket again. Things not just tubes and > > cones. > > Thx. > > +McG+ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > From Mfreptiles at aol.com Sat Aug 22 09:03:17 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:03:17 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty Message-ID: So it's a segmented moonburner....Interesting. I made one of those once only because I couldn't get the mandrel out of the full length grain but was able to get the shorter slugs off the mandrel one at a time. It worked fine but not sure what the thrust curve would have looked like. Mike F. In a message dated 8/21/2009 9:37:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com writes: The core of the M650 is not down the middle of the grains. It is 1/4 inch or so from the edge of the grains so when you assemble it you have to line up all of the grains so the hole in each grain lines up. -------------- next part -------------- So it's a segmented moonburner....Interesting.? I made one of those once only because I couldn't get the mandrel out of the full length grain but was able to get the shorter slugs off the mandrel one at a time.? It worked fine but not sure what the thrust curve would have looked like. ? Mike F. ? In a message dated 8/21/2009 9:37:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com writes: The core of the M650 is not down the middle of the grains.? It is 1/4 inch or so from the edge of the grains so when you assemble it you have to line up all of the grains so the hole in each grain lines up.? From john_lyngdal at verizon.net Sat Aug 22 09:40:52 2009 From: john_lyngdal at verizon.net (John Lyngdal) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:40:52 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401ca2347$5049bb60$f0dd3220$@net> The grains segments are joined with epoxy so they burn like a monolithic grain. This unusual proceedure was a result of DOT shipping issues, not because AT thought that was an optimum design. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:03 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty So it's a segmented moonburner....Interesting. I made one of those once only because I couldn't get the mandrel out of the full length grain but was able to get the shorter slugs off the mandrel one at a time. It worked fine but not sure what the thrust curve would have looked like. Mike F. In a message dated 8/21/2009 9:37:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jackanderson98012 at hotmail.com writes: The core of the M650 is not down the middle of the grains. It is 1/4 inch or so from the edge of the grains so when you assemble it you have to line up all of the grains so the hole in each grain lines up. From sealtee at cableone.net Sat Aug 22 09:54:26 2009 From: sealtee at cableone.net (Cameron Tinder) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:54:26 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt Message-ID: <000401ca2349$35784660$a068d320$@net> Fred is exactly right on this. The "Tether like devices" had no chance what-so-ever of popping the nose off. Here is the rest of the story. Truth be known here is that I had put everything together about 1 week before the launch. I was very meticulous in putting everything together just right. Then, two days before I left for Brothers, I decided to "double check" everything. When I did this "double checking" I noticed that the "Yellow wires" which I knew were connected to the "Drouge" outputs on the dual MAWD's, were connected to the "Main charge". So without giving things a further thought, I changed it!!! Well let it be sufficient to say that I have a bruise from me hitting myself in the middle of my forehead! Problem is that the MAIN CHARGE IS THE DROUGE CHARGE! It is the main charge (about 35 grains, just over 2 grams) that pops the nosecone and pushes out the drogue. The whole thing comes down on the drogue until I fire one of the two of these "Tether like" devices that keeps the drogue from pulling the other three 54 inch chutes from the rocket. These devices only contain 2 grains (not grams) of BP each and are not designed to nor would they even remotely be able to pop the nose. In fact, if you listen carefully to the video, you can hear both of the, as I call them, "Tender Descender" devices firing at apogee! The good news is just this morning I finished the repair of the "ICU" it is actually stronger and better than ever. The only thing else that I want to do before I launch is to slightly reposition the camera to get a better field of view. The lesson learned here? Always double check your double checking! Cameron Still NAR & TRA L1 -------------- next part -------------- Fred is exactly right on this. The ???Tether like devices??? had no chance what-so-ever of popping the nose off. Here is the rest of the story??? ? Truth be known here is that I had put everything together about 1 week before the launch. I was very meticulous in putting everything together just right. Then, two days before I left for Brothers, I decided to "double check" everything. When I did this ???double checking??? I noticed that the "Yellow wires" which I knew were connected to the "Drouge" outputs on the dual MAWD's, were connected to the "Main charge". So without giving things a further thought, I changed it!!! Well let it be sufficient to say that I have a bruise from me hitting myself in the middle of my forehead! Problem is that the MAIN CHARGE IS THE DROUGE CHARGE! It is the main charge (about 35 grains, just over 2 grams) that pops the nosecone and pushes out the drogue. The whole thing comes down on the drogue until I fire one of the two of these "Tether like" devices that keeps the drogue from pulling the other three 54 inch chutes from the rocket. These devices only contain 2 grains (not grams) of BP each and are not designed to nor would they even remotely be able to pop the nose. In fact, if you listen carefully to the video, you can hear both of the, as I call them, "Tender Descender" devices firing at apogee! ? The good news is just this morning I finished the repair of the "ICU" it is actually stronger and better than ever. The only thing else that I want to do before I launch is to slightly reposition the camera to get a better field of view. ? The lesson learned here? Always double check your double checking! ? ? Cameron ?Still NAR & TRA L1 From jhadv at pacifier.com Sat Aug 22 12:07:37 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:07:37 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090822120533.02866e70@mail.iinet.com> >The grains segments are joined with epoxy so they burn like a monolithic >grain. The epoxy would be burnt off in microseconds. GTT even on the best epoxy is below 300C. From absworld at cet.com Sat Aug 22 12:12:19 2009 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:12:19 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt In-Reply-To: <000401ca2349$35784660$a068d320$@net> References: <000401ca2349$35784660$a068d320$@net> Message-ID: <00c701ca235c$7928a270$6b79e750$@com> I've run into similar confusion when prepping a project with redundant electronics. Primary 'problem' for me has been differentiating between primary and main nomenclature. Latest attempt at protecting myself from me is to go with PRIMARY main and drogue charges followed by BACKUP main and drogue. Another thing that seems to help is going with non identical electronics such that one is designated PRIMARY and the other BACKUP. This helps keep me in tune with who's who. Lots of 'scribbling' all over my AV bay with notes, arrows and such also seems to help. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Tinder Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:54 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt Fred is exactly right on this. The "Tether like devices" had no chance what-so-ever of popping the nose off. Here is the rest of the story. Truth be known here is that I had put everything together about 1 week before the launch. I was very meticulous in putting everything together just right. Then, two days before I left for Brothers, I decided to "double check" everything. When I did this "double checking" I noticed that the "Yellow wires" which I knew were connected to the "Drouge" outputs on the dual MAWD's, were connected to the "Main charge". So without giving things a further thought, I changed it!!! Well let it be sufficient to say that I have a bruise from me hitting myself in the middle of my forehead! Problem is that the MAIN CHARGE IS THE DROUGE CHARGE! It is the main charge (about 35 grains, just over 2 grams) that pops the nosecone and pushes out the drogue. The whole thing comes down on the drogue until I fire one of the two of these "Tether like" devices that keeps the drogue from pulling the other three 54 inch chutes from the rocket. These devices only contain 2 grains (not grams) of BP each and are not designed to nor would they even remotely be able to pop the nose. In fact, if you listen carefully to the video, you can hear both of the, as I call them, "Tender Descender" devices firing at apogee! The good news is just this morning I finished the repair of the "ICU" it is actually stronger and better than ever. The only thing else that I want to do before I launch is to slightly reposition the camera to get a better field of view. The lesson learned here? Always double check your double checking! Cameron Still NAR & TRA L1 From Mfreptiles at aol.com Sat Aug 22 20:55:38 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:55:38 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have experience with Aerotech warranty Message-ID: Paul, Not exactly. It inhibits the grain during the burn much the same as the paper liner tubing. Grease can do the same thing, although less effectively, and would not hold the moon grains in alignment. I inhibit the grain faces of the 38mm L motor with grease only because epoxy might causing tearing at the grain faces due to high mass flow. Remember that the binder in most solid propellant is also a type of epoxy/polymer resin. Ideally, the grains would be better glued together with R45 and curative, but most hobbyists would not have that out in the field, and the cure time would be too long for same day firing. Mike F. In a message dated 8/22/2009 12:09:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhadv at pacifier.com writes: The epoxy would be burnt off in microseconds. GTT even on the best epoxy is below 300C. -------------- next part -------------- Paul, ? Not exactly.? It inhibits the grain during the burn much the same as the paper liner tubing.? Grease can do the same thing, although less effectively, and would not hold the moon grains in alignment.? I inhibit the grain faces of the 38mm L motor with grease only because epoxy might causing tearing at the grain faces due to high mass flow.? Remember that the binder in most solid propellant is also a type of epoxy/polymer resin.? Ideally, the grains would be better glued together with R45 and curative, but most hobbyists would not have that out in the field, and the cure time would be too long for same day firing. ? Mike F. ? In a message dated 8/22/2009 12:09:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhadv at pacifier.com writes: The epoxy would be burnt off in microseconds.? GTT even on the best epoxy is below 300C. From glech at aol.com Sun Aug 23 11:41:29 2009 From: glech at aol.com (Gary Lech) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:41:29 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan launch arrival time Message-ID: <95145FC345944442A8BC820322C91E5F@wink> Hi folks, Can anyone say when we can arrive for the Sheridan launch? I was hoping to arrive in my camper on Friday mid afternoon. I'm looking forward to it with a couple of new rockets to fly. Regards, Gary Lech - WA7GL, TRA -------------- next part -------------- ? Hi folks, Can anyone say when we can arrive for the Sheridan launch? I was hoping to arrive in my camper on Friday mid afternoon. I'm looking forward to it with a couple of new rockets to fly. Regards, Gary Lech - WA7GL, TRA From jhadv at pacifier.com Sun Aug 23 12:18:01 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:18:01 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] On board video from my recent L2 attempt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090823121321.00c2dd18@mail.iinet.com> I use polarized connectors on hard wire from the electronics and have not messed up that portion as of yet. The connectors are color coded and they are polarized so it's pretty hard to screw it up upon preparation. Good thing too. I was as nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs when preparing my cert flights. Had trouble holding my hand still enough to fill out the flight card. From hanleybwsfc at yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 18:27:35 2009 From: hanleybwsfc at yahoo.com (Sgt. Hanley) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Pershing missile kit plans Message-ID: <154446.47218.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> does anyone know what site has the plans to build a Pershing rocket "FIRST TO FIRE!! "ON THE WAY!!! Brad W. Hanley Sgt. US Army Ret. Revs. -------------- next part -------------- does anyone know what site has the plans to build a Pershing rocket "FIRST TO FIRE!! "ON THE WAY!!! Brad W. Hanley Sgt. US Army Ret. Revs. From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Aug 23 18:38:35 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:38:35 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Pershing missile kit plans In-Reply-To: <154446.47218.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <154446.47218.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A91EF1B.8080500@earthlink.net> Try this. http://www.spacemodeling.org/JimZ/estes/est1268.pdf Robert Sgt. Hanley wrote: > does anyone know what site has the plans to build a Pershing rocket > "FIRST TO FIRE!! > "ON THE WAY!!! > Brad W. Hanley > Sgt. US Army Ret. Revs. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 18:43:32 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:43:32 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Pershing missile kit plans References: <154446.47218.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You might try http://www.lockheedmartin.com/ or http://www.redarrowhobbies.com/kits/the_launch_pad_model_rockets/pershing.htm Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sgt. Hanley" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Pershing missile kit plans > does anyone know what site has the plans to build a Pershing rocket > > "FIRST TO FIRE!! > "ON THE WAY!!! > > Brad W. Hanley > Sgt. US Army Ret. Revs. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Aug 23 18:49:13 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:49:13 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Pershing missile kit plans In-Reply-To: <154446.47218.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <154446.47218.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A91F199.9050002@earthlink.net> Rocket Team Vatsaas did make a 8 inch diameter, high power, scratch-built version of the Pershing 1A rocket. http://www.vatsaas.org/rtv/arsenal/bradrocs/pershing/pershingdesign.aspx At LDRS-27 a Pershing 2 was launched with a Q motor but it crashed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=959E5Oh7gPM Robert Sgt. Hanley wrote: > does anyone know what site has the plans to build a Pershing rocket > "FIRST TO FIRE!! > "ON THE WAY!!! > Brad W. Hanley > Sgt. US Army Ret. Revs. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Sun Aug 23 19:15:00 2009 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:15:00 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Pershing missile kit plans In-Reply-To: <154446.47218.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <154446.47218.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A91F7A4.9080602@hawkfeather.com> Launch Pad made a MPR kit, but I think they're OOB, and a quick search showed no stock at dealers. Ditto on both for a HPR version from Polecat Aerospace. Estes 1268 plans: http://www.spacemodeling.org/jimz/est1268.htm Team Vatsaas plans, including RockSim file: http://www.vatsaas.org/rtv/arsenal/bradrocs/pershing/PershingDesign.aspx Peter Alway has dimensional data in a booklet: "14 U.S. Army Missiles Of The Cold War". It's available via NARTS: https://blastzone.com/nar/narts/store.asp?groupid=1080035015601 HTH, Andrew. Sgt. Hanley wrote: > does anyone know what site has the plans to build a Pershing rocket > "FIRST TO FIRE!! > "ON THE WAY!!! > Brad W. Hanley > Sgt. US Army Ret. Revs. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From sb at berfield.com Mon Aug 24 10:44:31 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:44:31 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA new approach to heat shields Message-ID: Interesting new approach for heat shielding, with video: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/24/video-nasa-rockets-inflatable-heat-shield-124-miles-up-deploys/#continued -------------- next part -------------- Interesting new approach for heat shielding, with video: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/24/video-nasa-rockets-inflatable-heat-shield-124-miles-up-deploys/#continued From rockets at penian.com Mon Aug 24 12:48:19 2009 From: rockets at penian.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul=20Nelson?=) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:48:19 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] =?iso-8859-1?q?Ice_+_Aluminum_motor=3F=3F?= Message-ID: <20090824194819.6088.qmail@server298.com> NASA successfully tests eco-friendly rocket propellant Asian News International 08/22/2009 ? Copyright 2009. Hindustan Times. All rights reserved. Washington, August. 22 -- NASA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, or AFOSR, have successfully launched a small rocket using an environmentally-friendly, safe propellant comprised of aluminum powder and water ice, called ALICE. "This collaboration has been an opportunity for graduate students to work on an environmentally-friendly propellant that can be used for flight on Earth and used in long distance space missions," said NASA Chief Engineer Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "These sorts of university-led experimental projects encourage a new generation of aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look at new ways for NASA to meet our exploration goals," he added. Using ALICE as fuel, a nine-foot rocket soared to a height of 1,300 feet over Purdue University's Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month. ALICE is generating excitement among researchers because this energetic propellant has the potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants. When it is optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventional propellants. "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, Purdue University and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to promote basic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," said Dr. Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR. ALICE has the consistency of toothpaste when made. It can be fit into molds and then cooled to -30 degree Celsius 24 hours before flight. The propellant has a high burn rate and achieved a maximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test. "A sustained collaborative research effort on the fundamentals of the combustion of nanoscale aluminum and water over the last few years led to the success of this flight," said Dr. Steven F. Son, a research team member from Purdue. "ALICE can be improved with the addition of oxidizers and become a potential solid rocket propellant on Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be manufactured in distant places like the moon or Mars, instead of being transported to distant locations at high cost," he added. From scott at scottsrockets.com Mon Aug 24 13:16:29 2009 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:16:29 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? In-Reply-To: <20090824194819.6088.qmail@server298.com> References: <20090824194819.6088.qmail@server298.com> Message-ID: <9686F8BE23C04FCB83B382E2C9997B27@Mobile2> Pretty cool, all you would have to take with you is the Al. Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:48 PM To: NWR list Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? NASA successfully tests eco-friendly rocket propellant Asian News International 08/22/2009 C Copyright 2009. Hindustan Times. All rights reserved. Washington, August. 22 -- NASA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, or AFOSR, have successfully launched a small rocket using an environmentally-friendly, safe propellant comprised of aluminum powder and water ice, called ALICE. "This collaboration has been an opportunity for graduate students to work on an environmentally-friendly propellant that can be used for flight on Earth and used in long distance space missions," said NASA Chief Engineer Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "These sorts of university-led experimental projects encourage a new generation of aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look at new ways for NASA to meet our exploration goals," he added. Using ALICE as fuel, a nine-foot rocket soared to a height of 1,300 feet over Purdue University's Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month. ALICE is generating excitement among researchers because this energetic propellant has the potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants. When it is optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventional propellants. "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, Purdue University and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to promote basic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," said Dr. Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR. ALICE has the consistency of toothpaste when made. It can be fit into molds and then cooled to -30 degree Celsius 24 hours before flight. The propellant has a high burn rate and achieved a maximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test. "A sustained collaborative research effort on the fundamentals of the combustion of nanoscale aluminum and water over the last few years led to the success of this flight," said Dr. Steven F. Son, a research team member from Purdue. "ALICE can be improved with the addition of oxidizers and become a potential solid rocket propellant on Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be manufactured in distant places like the moon or Mars, instead of being transported to distant locations at high cost," he added. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From sb at berfield.com Mon Aug 24 13:46:25 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:46:25 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters Message-ID: I have been experimenting with epoxy-based igniters - trying to get something that could be cast into a nice durable, moisture proof package. When I try the various formulae I have found on the Web, I end up with a material that is very hard to get to light and which tends to just shatter if ignited from the inside like most igniters (I've been using West SYstems Epoxy, mostly). I know that the Quickburst igniters are epoxy-based, and they certainly light easily. It doesn't look to me like the geometry of the igniter itself is any different than what I am doing, so I have to assume a different material is being used. It struck me that you EX guys might have some ideas here based on your knowledge of propellants and the stuff that goes into them. Looking for something that willa ct as a binder and a fuel, will cure in a mold, and which is not so brittle as to shatter before it gets lit. ANy thoughts? -------------- next part -------------- I have been experimenting with epoxy-based igniters - trying to get something that could be cast into a nice durable, moisture proof package. When I try the various formulae I have found on the Web, I end up with a material that is very hard to get to light and which tends to just shatter if ignited from the inside like most igniters (I've been using West SYstems Epoxy, mostly). I know that the Quickburst igniters are epoxy-based, and they certainly light easily. It doesn't look to me like the geometry of the igniter itself is any different than what I am doing, so I have to assume a different material is being used. It struck me that you EX guys might have some ideas here based on your knowledge of propellants and the stuff that goes into them. Looking for something that willa ct as a binder and a fuel, will cure in a mold, and which is not so brittle as to shatter before it gets lit. ANy thoughts? From sb at berfield.com Mon Aug 24 13:47:09 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:47:09 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? Message-ID: I am thinking "nanoscale" aluminum is not something I can pick up from Skylighter :) -----Original Message----- From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 01:16 PM To: ''Paul Nelson'', ''NWR list'' Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? Pretty cool, all you would have to take with you is the Al. Scott T. Bowerswww.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message-----From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Paul NelsonSent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:48 PMTo: NWR listSubject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor??NASA successfully tests eco-friendly rocket propellantAsian News International 08/22/2009C Copyright 2009. Hindustan Times. All rights reserved.Washington, August. 22 -- NASA and the Air Force Office of ScientificResearch, or AFOSR, have successfully launched a small rocket using anenvironmentally-friendly, safe propellant comprised of aluminum powder andwater ice, called ALICE. "This collaboration has been an opportunity forgraduate students to work on an environmentally-friendly propellant that canbe used for flight on Earth and used in long distance space missions," saidNASA Chief Engineer Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington."These sorts of university-led experimental projects encourage a newgeneration of aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look atnew ways for NASA to meet our exploration goals," he added. Using ALICE asfuel, a nine-foot rocket soared to a height of 1,300 feet over PurdueUniversity's Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month.ALICE is generating excitement among researchers because this energeticpropellant has the potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants.When it is optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventionalpropellants. "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, PurdueUniversity and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to promotebasic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," said Dr.Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR. ALICE has the consistency of toothpastewhen made. It can be fit into molds and then cooled to -30 degree Celsius 24hours before flight. The propellant has a high burn rate and achieved amaximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test. "A sustained collaborativeresearch effort on the fundamentals of the combustion of nanoscale aluminumand water over the last few years led to the success of this flight," saidDr. Steven F. Son, a research team member from Purdue. "ALICE can beimproved with the addition of oxidizers and become a potential solid rocketpropellant on Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be manufactured in distantplaces like the moon or Mars, instead of being transported to distantlocations at high cost," he added._______________________________________________Rockets mailing listRockets at rocketsnw.comhttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________Rockets mailing listRockets at rocketsnw.comhttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- I am thinking "nanoscale" aluminum is not something I can pick up from Skylighter :) ? -----Original Message----- From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 01:16 PM To: ''Paul Nelson'', ''NWR list'' Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? Pretty cool, all you would have to take with you is the Al. Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:48 PM To: NWR list Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? NASA successfully tests eco-friendly rocket propellant Asian News International 08/22/2009 C Copyright 2009. Hindustan Times. All rights reserved. Washington, August. 22 -- NASA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, or AFOSR, have successfully launched a small rocket using an environmentally-friendly, safe propellant comprised of aluminum powder and water ice, called ALICE. "This collaboration has been an opportunity for graduate students to work on an environmentally-friendly propellant that can be used for flight on Earth and used in long distance space missions," said NASA Chief Engineer Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "These sorts of university-led experimental projects encourage a new generation of aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look at new ways for NASA to meet our exploration goals," he added. Using ALICE as fuel, a nine-foot rocket soared to a height of 1,300 feet over Purdue University's Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month. ALICE is generating excitement among researchers because this energetic propellant has the potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants. When it is optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventional propellants. "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, Purdue University and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to promote basic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," said Dr. Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR. ALICE has the consistency of toothpaste when made. It can be fit into molds and then cooled to -30 degree Celsius 24 hours before flight. The propellant has a high burn rate and achieved a maximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test. "A sustained collaborative research effort on the fundamentals of the combustion of nanoscale aluminum and water over the last few years led to the success of this flight," said Dr. Steven F. Son, a research team member from Purdue. "ALICE can be improved with the addition of oxidizers and become a potential solid rocket propellant on Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be manufactured in distant places like the moon or Mars, instead of being transported to distant locations at high cost," he added. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From carl20320 at msn.com Mon Aug 24 13:58:10 2009 From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:58:10 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nope. You have to go to Ebay to get it. ;-) > From: sb at berfield.com > To: scott at scottsrockets.com; rockets at penian.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:47:09 +0000 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? > > I am thinking "nanoscale" aluminum is not something I can pick up from Skylighter :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 01:16 PM > To: ''Paul Nelson'', ''NWR list'' > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? > > Pretty cool, all you would have to take with you is the Al. Scott T. Bowerswww.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message-----From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Paul NelsonSent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:48 PMTo: NWR listSubject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor??NASA successfully tests eco-friendly rocket propellantAsian News International 08/22/2009C Copyright 2009. Hindustan Times. All rights reserved.Washington, August. 22 -- NASA and the Air Force Office of ScientificResearch, or AFOSR, have successfully launched a small rocket using anenvironmentally-friendly, safe propellant comprised of aluminum powder andwater ice, called ALICE. "This collaboration has been an opportunity forgraduate students to work on an environmentally-friendly propellant that canbe used for flight on Earth and used in long distance space missions," saidNASA Chief Engineer Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington."These sorts of university-led experimental projects encourage a newgeneration of aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look atnew ways for NASA to meet our exploration goals," he added. Using ALICE asfuel, a nine-foot rocket soared to a height of 1,300 feet over PurdueUniversity's Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month.ALICE is generating excitement among researchers because this energeticpropellant has the potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants.When it is optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventionalpropellants. "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, PurdueUniversity and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to promotebasic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," said Dr.Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR. ALICE has the consistency of toothpastewhen made. It can be fit into molds and then cooled to -30 degree Celsius 24hours before flight. The propellant has a high burn rate and achieved amaximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test. "A sustained collaborativeresearch effort on the fundamentals of the combustion of nanoscale aluminumand water over the last few years led to the success of this flight," saidDr. Steven F. Son, a research team member from Purdue. "ALICE can beimproved with the addition of oxidizers and become a potential solid rocketpropellant on Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be manufactured in distantplaces like the moon or Mars, instead of being transported to distantlocations at high cost," he added._______________________________________________Rockets mailing listRockets at rocketsnw.comhttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________Rockets mailing listRockets at rocketsnw.comhttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Nope.? You have to go to Ebay to get it.? ;-) ? > From: sb at berfield.com > To: scott at scottsrockets.com; rockets at penian.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:47:09 +0000 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? > > I am thinking "nanoscale" aluminum is not something I can pick up from Skylighter :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 01:16 PM > To: ''Paul Nelson'', ''NWR list'' > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? > > Pretty cool, all you would have to take with you is the Al. Scott T. Bowerswww.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message-----From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Paul NelsonSent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:48 PMTo: NWR listSubject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor??NASA successfully tests eco-friendly rocket propellantAsian News International 08/22/2009C Copyright 2009. Hindustan Times. All rights reserved.Washington, August. 22 -- NASA and the Air Force Office of ScientificResearch, or AFOSR, have successfully launched a small rocket using anenvironmentally-friendly, safe propellant comprised of aluminum powder andwater ice, called ALICE. "This collaboration has been an opportunity forgraduate students to work on an environmentally-friendly propellant that canbe used for flight on Earth and used in long distance space missions," saidNASA Chief Engineer Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington."These sorts of university-led experimental projects encourage a newgeneration of aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look atnew ways for NASA to meet our exploration goals," he added. Using ALICE asfuel, a nine-foot rocket soared to a height of 1,300 feet over PurdueUniversity's Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month.ALICE is generating excitement among researchers because this energeticpropellant has the potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants.When it is optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventionalpropellants. "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, PurdueUniversity and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to promotebasic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," said Dr.Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR. ALICE has the consistency of toothpastewhen made. It can be fit into molds and then cooled to -30 degree Celsius 24hours before flight. The propellant has a high burn rate and achieved amaximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test. "A sustained collaborativeresearch effort on the fundamentals of the combustion of nanoscale aluminumand water over the last few years led to the success of this flight," saidDr. Steven F. Son, a research team member from Purdue. "ALICE can beimproved with the addition of oxidizers and become a potential solid rocketpropellant on Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be manufactured in distantplaces like the moon or Mars, instead of being transported to distantlocations at high cost," he added._______________________________________________Rockets mailing listRockets at rocketsnw.comhttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________Rockets mailing listRockets at rocketsnw.comhttp://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From stefan_jones at comcast.net Mon Aug 24 14:01:35 2009 From: stefan_jones at comcast.net (stefan_jones at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <849127878.3492191251147695364.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> "Nope. You have to go to Ebay to get it. ;-) " Probably from the same people who sell "red mercury." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Degner" To: "Rockets NW list" Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:58:10 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? -------------- next part -------------- "Nope. You have to go to Ebay to get it. ;-) " Probably from the same people who sell "red mercury." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Degner" To: "Rockets NW list" Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:58:10 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? From scott at scottsrockets.com Mon Aug 24 14:16:34 2009 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:16:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would imagine if you lower your liquids to solid ratio you would get better results. Epoxy is just a fuel, bring the oxidizer up. Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott Berfield Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:46 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters I have been experimenting with epoxy-based igniters - trying to get something that could be cast into a nice durable, moisture proof package. When I try the various formulae I have found on the Web, I end up with a material that is very hard to get to light and which tends to just shatter if ignited from the inside like most igniters (I've been using West SYstems Epoxy, mostly). I know that the Quickburst igniters are epoxy-based, and they certainly light easily. It doesn't look to me like the geometry of the igniter itself is any different than what I am doing, so I have to assume a different material is being used. It struck me that you EX guys might have some ideas here based on your knowledge of propellants and the stuff that goes into them. Looking for something that willa ct as a binder and a fuel, will cure in a mold, and which is not so brittle as to shatter before it gets lit. ANy thoughts? From jim at discountrocketry.com Mon Aug 24 14:19:45 2009 From: jim at discountrocketry.com (Jim at Discount Rocketry) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:19:45 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Scott, Cut up some ping pong balls and dissolve in acetone to make a cellulose acetate mix. Usually about 4 ping pong balls in a 1/2 pint of acetone. Mix this with an oxidizer/charcoal 80/20 mix and alternately add some powdered magnesium 5% if you like. The thickness should be thinner than a paste. Dip and dry and re-dip until large enough for you motor size. Then dip in the clear cellulose acetate mix to seal against moisture and let dry. Re- dipping the finished igniter more than once in the clear cellulose acetate mix can cause a bursting effect when ignited. In this mix the clear cellulose acetate is a binder and fuel. The charcoal and magnesium is a fuel and heat generator. Jim Discount Rocketry -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott Berfield Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:46 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters I have been experimenting with epoxy-based igniters - trying to get something that could be cast into a nice durable, moisture proof package. When I try the various formulae I have found on the Web, I end up with a material that is very hard to get to light and which tends to just shatter if ignited from the inside like most igniters (I've been using West SYstems Epoxy, mostly). I know that the Quickburst igniters are epoxy-based, and they certainly light easily. It doesn't look to me like the geometry of the igniter itself is any different than what I am doing, so I have to assume a different material is being used. It struck me that you EX guys might have some ideas here based on your knowledge of propellants and the stuff that goes into them. Looking for something that willa ct as a binder and a fuel, will cure in a mold, and which is not so brittle as to shatter before it gets lit. ANy thoughts? From Simpsonclark at aol.com Mon Aug 24 14:31:04 2009 From: Simpsonclark at aol.com (Simpsonclark at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:31:04 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters Message-ID: Any tough exterior coating will cause a popping effect rather than desired burn. A solution is to use epoxy-AP at 20/80 ratio to make a cup- or can-shaped shell for the ignition compound, then seal it with a light cap on the propellant-facing end, making a squib. The igniting filament should be as near the open end as possible so that the flame burns down into the epoxy-based can. -Robert In a message dated 8/24/2009 2:17:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, scott at scottsrockets.com writes: I would imagine if you lower your liquids to solid ratio you would get better results. Epoxy is just a fuel, bring the oxidizer up. Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott Berfield Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:46 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters I have been experimenting with epoxy-based igniters - trying to get something that could be cast into a nice durable, moisture proof package. When I try the various formulae I have found on the Web, I end up with a material that is very hard to get to light and which tends to just shatter if ignited from the inside like most igniters (I've been using West SYstems Epoxy, mostly). I know that the Quickburst igniters are epoxy-based, and they certainly light easily. It doesn't look to me like the geometry of the igniter itself is any different than what I am doing, so I have to assume a different material is being used. It struck me that you EX guys might have some ideas here based on your knowledge of propellants and the stuff that goes into them. Looking for something that willa ct as a binder and a fuel, will cure in a mold, and which is not so brittle as to shatter before it gets lit. ANy thoughts? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Any tough? exterior coating will cause a popping effect rather than desired burn.? A solution is to use epoxy-AP at 20/80 ratio to make a cup- or can-shaped shell for the ignition compound, then seal it with a light cap on the propellant-facing end, making a squib.? The igniting filament should be as near the open end as possible so that the flame burns down into the epoxy-based can. -Robert ? In a message dated 8/24/2009 2:17:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, scott at scottsrockets.com writes: I would imagine if you lower your liquids to solid ratio you would get better results. Epoxy is just a fuel, bring the oxidizer up. Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott Berfield Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:46 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters I have been experimenting with epoxy-based igniters - trying to get something that could be cast into a nice durable, moisture proof package. When I try the various formulae I have found on the Web, I end up with a material that is very hard to get to light and which tends to just shatter if ignited from the inside like most igniters (I've been using West SYstems Epoxy, mostly). I know that the Quickburst igniters are epoxy-based, and they certainly light easily. It doesn't look to me like the geometry of the igniter itself is any different than what I am doing, so I have to assume a different material is being used. It struck me that you EX guys might have some ideas here based on your knowledge of propellants and the stuff that goes into them. Looking for something that willa ct as a binder and a fuel, will cure in a mold, and which is not so brittle as to shatter before it gets lit. ANy thoughts? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Mon Aug 24 16:01:19 2009 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:01:19 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS food.... Message-ID: Greeting rocketeers..... I have not signed up yet, but thought I would spread the word to the Northwest rocketry people, as I know some of you attend XPRS. We will be there, will you? Here is a message for you planning on attending, _______ Greetings folks I thought I would make one more mention about having Drooling Dog come out and cater a dinner for us Saturday night at XPRS? People have been asking for years for me to try and get a food vendor out to the playa, I have tried several different caterers and none (once they realize the location) have been willing. Doug is, and is very excited about the possibility. This would be awesome if we can pull it off, this man makes some, if not THE, best BBQ that I have ever had and for $19 you get an awesome plate full of delicious food. ? Tri Tip & Skinless Boneless Chicken Brest ~ cooked on site with our wood fired trailer. ? Baked Beans ~ smoked pulled pork & another secret sauce added for extra flavor. ? Spring Green Salad ~ dried cranberries, walnuts & a honey, raspberry vinaigrette dressing ? Garlic Bread.~ buttered with our garlic butter ? If available a second serving goes for $5 (requires you to save your plate), first come first serve, does not need to be pre-paid, no third servings. And if he does come out he will have pulled pork sandwiches available Saturday and Sunday for $6!!! Think about it, if you partake, here is one meal that you do not have to haul up the food, cook, or clean "dishes" for. All you have to do is eat, then throw away the plate, awesome!!! Go sign up for an excellent meal at http://www.xprs.org/dinner.html So far I only have 53 people that have "registered" for tickets. That is only about 1/3rd of what we need and I have two weeks left to give Doug a go or no go??I would really like it to be a GO!! Please spread the word, pass this on to any lists where you think people might be attending XPRS?.lets make it happen!! Cheers Peter -------------- next part -------------- XPRS food.... Greeting rocketeers..... I have not signed up yet, but thought I would spread the word to the Northwest rocketry people, as I know some of you attend XPRS. We will be there, will you? Here is a message for you planning on attending, _______ Greetings folks ? I thought I would make one more mention about having Drooling Dog come out and cater a dinner for us Saturday night at XPRS? ? People have been asking for years for me to try and get a food vendor out to the playa, I have tried several different caterers and none (once they realize the location) have been willing. Doug is, and is very excited about the possibility. This would be awesome if we can pull it off, this man makes some, if not THE, best BBQ that I have ever had and for $19 you get an awesome plate full of delicious food. ????????? Tri Tip & Skinless Boneless Chicken Brest ~ cooked on site with our wood fired trailer. ????????? Baked Beans ~ smoked pulled pork & another secret sauce added for extra flavor. ????????? Spring Green Salad ~ dried cranberries, walnuts & a honey, raspberry vinaigrette dressing ????????? Garlic Bread.~ buttered with our garlic butter ????????? If available a second serving goes for $5 (requires you to save your plate),? first come first serve, does not need to be pre-paid, no third servings. And if he does come out he will have pulled pork sandwiches available Saturday and Sunday for $6!!! ? Think about it, if you partake, here is one meal that you do not have to haul up the food, cook, or clean "dishes" for. All you have to do is eat, then throw away the plate, awesome!!! ? Go sign up for an excellent meal at http://www.xprs.org/dinner.html http://www.xprs.org/dinner.html ? So far I only have 53 people that have "registered" for tickets. ?That is only about 1/3rd of what we need and I have two weeks left to give Doug a go or no go??I would really like it to be a GO!! ? Please spread the word, pass this on to any lists where you think people might be attending XPRS?.lets make it happen!! ? Cheers Peter ? ? From sales at pvconly.com Mon Aug 24 17:08:29 2009 From: sales at pvconly.com (sales at pvconly.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <131706.931.qm@web1216.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Use Potassium Chlorate, Magnalium, Antimony trisufide?mixed 70/25/5. Bind?with melted ping pong balls. ? Place 3 ping pong balls in a sealed glass container with 50 ml acetone. Agitate the balls until completely melted. ? Take the igniter mix and blend using a coffee stirring stick with the melted ping pong balls until it is like runny pancake batter. ? Dip your bridge-wire igniters and hang to dry. Completed igniters made by this method are durable, reliable and moisture proof. The are not hard like epoxy and do not shatter upon firing. --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Scott Berfield wrote: From: Scott Berfield Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 1:46 PM I have been experimenting with epoxy-based igniters - trying to get something that could be cast into a nice durable, moisture proof package. When I try the various formulae I have found on the Web, I end up with a material that is very hard to get to light and which tends to just shatter if ignited from the inside like most igniters (I've been using West SYstems Epoxy, mostly). I know that the Quickburst igniters are epoxy-based, and they certainly light easily. It doesn't look to me like the geometry of the igniter itself is any different than what I am doing, so I have to assume a different material is being used. It struck me that you EX guys might have some ideas here based on your knowledge of propellants and the stuff that goes into them. Looking for something that willa ct as a binder and a fuel, will cure in a mold, and which is not so brittle as to shatter before it gets lit. ANy thoughts? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? -------------- next part -------------- Use Potassium Chlorate, Magnalium, Antimony trisufide?mixed 70/25/5. Bind?with melted ping pong balls. ? Place 3 ping pong balls in a sealed glass container with 50 ml acetone. Agitate the balls until completely melted. ? Take the igniter mix and blend using a coffee stirring stick with the melted ping pong balls until it is like runny pancake batter. ? Dip your bridge-wire igniters and hang to dry. Completed igniters made by this method are durable, reliable and moisture proof. The are not hard like epoxy and do not shatter upon firing. --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Scott Berfield wrote: From: Scott Berfield Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 1:46 PM I have been experimenting with epoxy-based igniters - trying to get something that could be cast into a nice durable, moisture proof package. When I try the various formulae I have found on the Web, I end up with a material that is very hard to get to light and which tends to just shatter if ignited from the inside like most igniters (I've been using West SYstems Epoxy, mostly). I know that the Quickburst igniters are epoxy-based, and they certainly light easily. It doesn't look to me like the geometry of the igniter itself is any different than what I am doing, so I have to assume a different material is being used. It struck me that you EX guys might have some ideas here based on your knowledge of propellants and the stuff that goes into them. Looking for something that willa ct as a binder and a fuel, will cure in a mold, and which is not so brittle as to shatter before it gets lit. ANy thoughts? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From raystoner99 at comcast.net Mon Aug 24 17:44:36 2009 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:44:36 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters In-Reply-To: <131706.931.qm@web1216.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <131706.931.qm@web1216.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005e01ca251d$396b67e0$ac4237a0$@net> Another option would be to play with the ratio of curative for the epoxy. You may get something that is pliable, but still cures fully. I think that Richard Nakka used East Systems Epoxy at a 6:1 ratio to make a KNO3/epoxy propellant. Rubber cement (neoprene) as binder? I've found that casting into a drinking straw with the bridge wire at the far end of the igniter works pretty well. These are a very fast AP propellant mix... Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of sales at pvconly.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:08 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; Scott Berfield Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters Use Potassium Chlorate, Magnalium, Antimony trisufide?mixed 70/25/5. Bind?with melted ping pong balls. ? Place 3 ping pong balls in a sealed glass container with 50 ml acetone. Agitate the balls until completely melted. ? Take the igniter mix and blend using a coffee stirring stick with the melted ping pong balls until it is like runny pancake batter. ? Dip your bridge-wire igniters and hang to dry. Completed igniters made by this method are durable, reliable and moisture proof. The are not hard like epoxy and do not shatter upon firing. --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Scott Berfield wrote: From: Scott Berfield Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 1:46 PM I have been experimenting with epoxy-based igniters - trying to get something that could be cast into a nice durable, moisture proof package. When I try the various formulae I have found on the Web, I end up with a material that is very hard to get to light and which tends to just shatter if ignited from the inside like most igniters (I've been using West SYstems Epoxy, mostly). I know that the Quickburst igniters are epoxy-based, and they certainly light easily. It doesn't look to me like the geometry of the igniter itself is any different than what I am doing, so I have to assume a different material is being used. It struck me that you EX guys might have some ideas here based on your knowledge of propellants and the stuff that goes into them. Looking for something that willa ct as a binder and a fuel, will cure in a mold, and which is not so brittle as to shatter before it gets lit. ANy thoughts? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Aug 24 18:12:19 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:12:19 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters Message-ID: GE Silicone II. Mike Fisher In a message dated 8/24/2009 1:47:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sb at berfield.com writes: I have been experimenting with epoxy-based igniters - trying to get something that could be cast into a nice durable, moisture proof package. When I try the various formulae I have found on the Web, I end up with a material that is very hard to get to light and which tends to just shatter if ignited from the inside like most igniters (I've been using West SYstems Epoxy, mostly). I know that the Quickburst igniters are epoxy-based, and they certainly light easily. It doesn't look to me like the geometry of the igniter itself is any different than what I am doing, so I have to assume a different material is being used. It struck me that you EX guys might have some ideas here based on your knowledge of propellants and the stuff that goes into them. Looking for something that willa ct as a binder and a fuel, will cure in a mold, and which is not so brittle as to shatter before it gets lit. ANy thoughts? I have been experimenting with epoxy-based igniters - trying to get something that could be cast into a nice durable, moisture proof package. When I try the various formulae I have found on the Web, I end up with a material that is very hard to get to light and which tends to just shatter if ignited from the inside like most igniters (I've been using West SYstems Epoxy, mostly). I know that the Quickburst igniters are epoxy-based, and they certainly light easily. It doesn't look to me like the geometry of the igniter itself is any different than what I am doing, so I have to assume a different material is being used. It struck me that you EX guys might have some ideas here based on your knowledge of propellants and the stuff that goes into them. Looking for something that willa ct as a binder and a fuel, will cure in a mold, and which is not so brittle as to shatter before it gets lit. ANy thoughts? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- GE Silicone II.? ? Mike Fisher ? ? In a message dated 8/24/2009 1:47:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sb at berfield.com writes: I have been experimenting with epoxy-based igniters - trying to get something that could be cast into a nice durable, moisture proof package. When I try the various formulae I have found on the Web, I end up with a material that is very hard to get to light and which tends to just shatter if ignited from the inside like most igniters (I've been using West SYstems Epoxy, mostly). I know that the Quickburst igniters are epoxy-based, and they certainly light easily. It doesn't look to me like the geometry of the igniter itself is any different than what I am doing, so I have to assume a different material is being used. It struck me that you EX guys might have some ideas here based on your knowledge of propellants and the stuff that goes into them. Looking for something that willa ct as a binder and a fuel, will cure in a mold, and which is not so brittle as to shatter before it gets lit. ANy thoughts? I have been experimenting with epoxy-based igniters - trying to get something that could be cast into a nice durable, moisture proof package. When I try the various formulae I have found on the Web, I end up with a material that is very hard to get to light and which tends to just shatter if ignited from the inside like most igniters (I've been using West SYstems Epoxy, mostly). I know that the Quickburst igniters are epoxy-based, and they certainly light easily. It doesn't look to me like the geometry of the igniter itself is any different than what I am doing, so I have to assume a different material is being used. It struck me that you EX guys might have some ideas here based on your knowledge of propellants and the stuff that goes into them. Looking for something that willa ct as a binder and a fuel, will cure in a mold, and which is not so brittle as to shatter before it gets lit. ANy thoughts? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Mon Aug 24 21:03:01 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:03:01 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA new approach to heat shields In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A936275.1010005@earthlink.net> In the movie, 2010: The Year We Make Contact, there is an aerobraking scene using inflatable heat shields. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q874-ud6Zr8 It starts at the 3:00 mark. Robert Scott Berfield wrote: > Interesting new approach for heat shielding, with video: > http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/24/video-nasa-rockets-inflatable-heat-shield-124-miles-up-deploys/#continued > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From jhadv at pacifier.com Mon Aug 24 21:53:58 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3995.76.105.138.130.1251176038.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> I have found that conceptually there are two ways to light a rocket like we use. One is ignite the top grain and let the exhaust catch all the other grains. Or one can attempt to light the entire propellant surface at once as is done professionally. The best I have done so far lights a motor in less than the resolution of the altimeter (<50 mS). The way this was accomplished was a relatively small thermite pellet at the top of the motor with a gas generation charge at the back. The thermite starts the top grain and the gas generator and then the gas generator pre-pressurizes the rest of the chamber so the flame front from the burning top grain fast starts everything else. Worthless for second stage ignition however so we are considering how to fix that. From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Mon Aug 24 23:02:32 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0d8d72c187d0748e341bafb31e2b2f16.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Another one of my great ideas stolen by NASA. ;-) Many people have thought about that combination. The key ingredient is "nanoscale" aluminum particles. What the article doesn't say is that the cost of aluminum nanoparticles is still, uh, I guess pun intended, sky-high. Notice they didn't push that nine-foot rocket very far up with a honkin' big motor. And I bet it was about a Warp-10 burn too! I always figured very fine magnesium 'wool' frozen in ice would be more practical. But cost for amateurs is still a factor there. I checked once--ouch, ouch. I'm still trying to figure out a real cheap rocket fuel. Hmmm. I *do* now have access to chicken manure...does Tripoli Research allow that? LOL. +McG+ > I am thinking "nanoscale" aluminum is not something I can pick up from > Skylighter :) > ? > -----Original Message----- > From: > Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] > Sent: > Monday, August 24, 2009 01:16 PM > To: > ''Paul Nelson'', ''NWR list'' > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? > Pretty cool, all you would have to take with you is the Al. Scott T. > Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of Paul Nelson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:48 PM To: NWR list > Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? NASA successfully tests > eco-friendly rocket propellant Asian News International 08/22/2009 C > Copyright 2009. Hindustan Times. All rights reserved. Washington, August. > 22 -- NASA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, or AFOSR, have > successfully launched a small rocket using an environmentally-friendly, > safe propellant comprised of aluminum powder and water ice, called ALICE. > "This collaboration has been an opportunity for graduate students to work > on an environmentally-friendly propellant that can be used for flight on > Earth and used in long distance space missions," said NASA Chief Engineer > Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "These sorts of > university-led experimental projects encourage a new generation of > aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look at new ways for > NASA to meet our exploration goals," he added. Using ALICE as fuel, a > nine-foot rocket soared to a height of 1,300 feet over Purdue University's > Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month. ALICE is generating > excitement among researchers because this energetic propellant has the > potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants. When it is > optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventional > propellants. "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, Purdue > University and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to > promote basic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," > said Dr. Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR. ALICE has the consistency of > toothpaste when made. It can be fit into molds and then cooled to -30 > degree Celsius 24 hours before flight. The propellant has a high burn rate > and achieved a maximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test. "A sustained > collaborative research effort on the fundamentals of the combustion of > nanoscale aluminum and water over the last few years led to the success of > this flight," said Dr. Steven F. Son, a research team member from Purdue. > "ALICE can be improved with the addition of oxidizers and become a > potential solid rocket propellant on Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be > manufactured in distant places like the moon or Mars, instead of being > transported to distant locations at high cost," he added. > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From sb at berfield.com Tue Aug 25 00:52:37 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:52:37 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? Message-ID: I don't see anything in the research rules against manure-powered flights. I believe chicken waste has ap retty good nitrate load... -----Original Message----- From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com [mailto:kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:02 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? Another one of my great ideas stolen by NASA. ;-) Many people have thought about that combination. The key ingredient is "nanoscale" aluminum particles. What the article doesn't say is that the cost of aluminum nanoparticles is still, uh, I guess pun intended, sky-high. Notice they didn't push that nine-foot rocket very far up with a honkin' big motor. And I bet it was about a Warp-10 burn too! I always figured very fine magnesium 'wool' frozen in ice would be more practical. But cost for amateurs is still a factor there. I checked once--ouch, ouch. I'm still trying to figure out a real cheap rocket fuel. Hmmm. I *do* now have access to chicken manure...does Tripoli Research allow that? LOL. +McG+ > I am thinking "nanoscale" aluminum is not something I can pick up from > Skylighter :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: > Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] > Sent: > Monday, August 24, 2009 01:16 PM > To: > ''Paul Nelson'', ''NWR list'' > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? > Pretty cool, all you would have to take with you is the Al. Scott T. > Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of Paul Nelson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:48 PM To: NWR list > Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? NASA successfully tests > eco-friendly rocket propellant Asian News International 08/22/2009 C > Copyright 2009. Hindustan Times. All rights reserved. Washington, August. > 22 -- NASA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, or AFOSR, have > successfully launched a small rocket using an environmentally-friendly, > safe propellant comprised of aluminum powder and water ice, called ALICE. > "This collaboration has been an opportunity for graduate students to work > on an environmentally-friendly propellant that can be used for flight on > Earth and used in long distance space missions," said NASA Chief Engineer > Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "These sorts of > university-led experimental projects encourage a new generation of > aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look at new ways for > NASA to meet our exploration goals," he added. Using ALICE as fuel, a > nine-foot rocket soared to a height of 1,300 feet over Purdue University's > Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month. ALICE is generating > excitement among researchers because this energetic propellant has the > potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants. When it is > optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventional > propellants. "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, Purdue > University and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to > promote basic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," > said Dr. Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR. ALICE has the consistency of > toothpaste when made. It can be fit into molds and then cooled to -30 > degree Celsius 24 hours before flight. The propellant has a high burn rate > and achieved a maximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test. "A sustained > collaborative research effort on the fundamentals of the combustion of > nanoscale aluminum and water over the last few years led to the success of > this flight," said Dr. Steven F. Son, a research team member from Purdue. > "ALICE can be improved with the addition of oxidizers and become a > potential solid rocket propellant on Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be > manufactured in distant places like the moon or Mars, instead of being > transported to distant locations at high cost," he added. > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- I don't see anything in the research rules against manure-powered flights. I believe chicken waste has ap retty good nitrate load... -----Original Message----- From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com [mailto:kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:02 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? Another one of my great ideas stolen by NASA. ;-) Many people have thought about that combination. The key ingredient is "nanoscale" aluminum particles. What the article doesn't say is that the cost of aluminum nanoparticles is still, uh, I guess pun intended, sky-high. Notice they didn't push that nine-foot rocket very far up with a honkin' big motor. And I bet it was about a Warp-10 burn too! I always figured very fine magnesium 'wool' frozen in ice would be more practical. But cost for amateurs is still a factor there. I checked once--ouch, ouch. I'm still trying to figure out a real cheap rocket fuel. Hmmm. I *do* now have access to chicken manure...does Tripoli Research allow that? LOL. +McG+ > I am thinking "nanoscale" aluminum is not something I can pick up from > Skylighter :) > ? > -----Original Message----- > From: > Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] > Sent: > Monday, August 24, 2009 01:16 PM > To: > ''Paul Nelson'', ''NWR list'' > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? > Pretty cool, all you would have to take with you is the Al. Scott T. > Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of Paul Nelson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:48 PM To: NWR list > Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? NASA successfully tests > eco-friendly rocket propellant Asian News International 08/22/2009 C > Copyright 2009. Hindustan Times. All rights reserved. Washington, August. > 22 -- NASA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, or AFOSR, have > successfully launched a small rocket using an environmentally-friendly, > safe propellant comprised of aluminum powder and water ice, called ALICE. > "This collaboration has been an opportunity for graduate students to work > on an environmentally-friendly propellant that can be used for flight on > Earth and used in long distance space missions," said NASA Chief Engineer > Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "These sorts of > university-led experimental projects encourage a new generation of > aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look at new ways for > NASA to meet our exploration goals," he added. Using ALICE as fuel, a > nine-foot rocket soared to a height of 1,300 feet over Purdue University's > Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month. ALICE is generating > excitement among researchers because this energetic propellant has the > potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants. When it is > optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventional > propellants. "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, Purdue > University and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to > promote basic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," > said Dr. Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR. ALICE has the consistency of > toothpaste when made. It can be fit into molds and then cooled to -30 > degree Celsius 24 hours before flight. The propellant has a high burn rate > and achieved a maximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test. "A sustained > collaborative research effort on the fundamentals of the combustion of > nanoscale aluminum and water over the last few years led to the success of > this flight," said Dr. Steven F. Son, a research team member from Purdue. > "ALICE can be improved with the addition of oxidizers and become a > potential solid rocket propellant on Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be > manufactured in distant places like the moon or Mars, instead of being > transported to distant locations at high cost," he added. > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From sb at berfield.com Tue Aug 25 08:13:31 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:13:31 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Epoxy Igniter success Message-ID: Thanks to all your reponses, I had a flash of insight and tried a new setup for the epoxy igniters. And they now work. I made up som e-matches using chips I had lying around, dipped the tips in a nice pyrogen called 2nd Fire, and used those as the core of the epoxy. I cast them in straws with the ematch at one end. The match burns, lights the end and it burns down. going to try different mixtures, but a basic potassium nitrate, Mg, charcoal, and epoxy seemed to work well. Since these ar eematch based, they could work for air starts and staging as well since they easily off a 9V. Video is at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3dGoLd_xjQ -------------- next part -------------- Thanks to all your reponses, I had a flash of insight and tried a new setup for the epoxy igniters. And they now work. I made up som e-matches using chips I had lying around, dipped the tips in a nice pyrogen called 2nd Fire, and used those as the core of the epoxy. I cast them in straws with the ematch at one end. The match burns, lights the end and it burns down. going to try different mixtures, but a basic potassium nitrate, Mg, charcoal, and epoxy seemed to work well. Since these ar eematch based, they could work for air starts and staging as well since they easily off a 9V. Video is at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3dGoLd_xjQ From Simpsonclark at aol.com Tue Aug 25 09:11:24 2009 From: Simpsonclark at aol.com (Simpsonclark at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:11:24 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] epoxy igniters Message-ID: What are you using for a gas generator? -Robert In a message dated 8/24/2009 9:54:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhadv at pacifier.com writes: I have found that conceptually there are two ways to light a rocket like we use. One is ignite the top grain and let the exhaust catch all the other grains. Or one can attempt to light the entire propellant surface at once as is done professionally. The best I have done so far lights a motor in less than the resolution of the altimeter (<50 mS). The way this was accomplished was a relatively small thermite pellet at the top of the motor with a gas generation charge at the back. The thermite starts the top grain and the gas generator and then the gas generator pre-pressurizes the rest of the chamber so the flame front from the burning top grain fast starts everything else. Worthless for second stage ignition however so we are considering how to fix that. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- What are you using for a gas generator? -Robert ? In a message dated 8/24/2009 9:54:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhadv at pacifier.com writes: I have found that conceptually there are two ways to light a rocket like we use.? One is ignite the top grain and let the exhaust catch all the other grains.? Or one can attempt to light the entire propellant surface at once as is done professionally.? The best I have done so far lights a motor in less than the resolution of the altimeter (<50 mS).? The way this was accomplished was a relatively small thermite pellet at the top of the motor with a gas generation charge at the back.? The thermite starts the top grain and the gas generator and then the gas generator pre-pressurizes the rest of the chamber so the flame front from the burning top grain fast starts everything else.? Worthless for second stage ignition however so we are considering how to fix that. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From Simpsonclark at aol.com Tue Aug 25 09:26:40 2009 From: Simpsonclark at aol.com (Simpsonclark at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:26:40 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? Message-ID: I think I remember something about the Navy experimenting with a high speed torpedo using Al and seawater... anybody know about it? -Robert In a message dated 8/24/2009 11:03:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com writes: Another one of my great ideas stolen by NASA. ;-) Many people have thought about that combination. The key ingredient is "nanoscale" aluminum particles. What the article doesn't say is that the cost of aluminum nanoparticles is still, uh, I guess pun intended, sky-high. Notice they didn't push that nine-foot rocket very far up with a honkin' big motor. And I bet it was about a Warp-10 burn too! I always figured very fine magnesium 'wool' frozen in ice would be more practical. But cost for amateurs is still a factor there. I checked once--ouch, ouch. I'm still trying to figure out a real cheap rocket fuel. Hmmm. I *do* now have access to chicken manure...does Tripoli Research allow that? LOL. +McG+ > I am thinking "nanoscale" aluminum is not something I can pick up from > Skylighter :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: > Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] > Sent: > Monday, August 24, 2009 01:16 PM > To: > ''Paul Nelson'', ''NWR list'' > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? > Pretty cool, all you would have to take with you is the Al. Scott T. > Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of Paul Nelson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:48 PM To: NWR list > Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? NASA successfully tests > eco-friendly rocket propellant Asian News International 08/22/2009 C > Copyright 2009. Hindustan Times. All rights reserved. Washington, August. > 22 -- NASA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, or AFOSR, have > successfully launched a small rocket using an environmentally-friendly, > safe propellant comprised of aluminum powder and water ice, called ALICE. > "This collaboration has been an opportunity for graduate students to work > on an environmentally-friendly propellant that can be used for flight on > Earth and used in long distance space missions," said NASA Chief Engineer > Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "These sorts of > university-led experimental projects encourage a new generation of > aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look at new ways for > NASA to meet our exploration goals," he added. Using ALICE as fuel, a > nine-foot rocket soared to a height of 1,300 feet over Purdue University's > Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month. ALICE is generating > excitement among researchers because this energetic propellant has the > potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants. When it is > optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventional > propellants. "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, Purdue > University and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to > promote basic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," > said Dr. Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR. ALICE has the consistency of > toothpaste when made. It can be fit into molds and then cooled to -30 > degree Celsius 24 hours before flight. The propellant has a high burn rate > and achieved a maximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test. "A sustained > collaborative research effort on the fundamentals of the combustion of > nanoscale aluminum and water over the last few years led to the success of > this flight," said Dr. Steven F. Son, a research team member from Purdue. > "ALICE can be improved with the addition of oxidizers and become a > potential solid rocket propellant on Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be > manufactured in distant places like the moon or Mars, instead of being > transported to distant locations at high cost," he added. > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- I think I remember something about the Navy experimenting with a high speed torpedo using Al and seawater... anybody know about it? -Robert ? In a message dated 8/24/2009 11:03:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com writes: Another one of my great ideas stolen by NASA.? ;-) Many people have thought about that combination.? The key ingredient is "nanoscale" aluminum particles.? What the article doesn't say is that the cost of aluminum nanoparticles is still, uh, I guess pun intended, sky-high.? Notice they didn't push that nine-foot rocket very far up with a honkin' big motor.? And I bet it was about a Warp-10 burn too! I always figured very fine magnesium 'wool' frozen in ice would be more practical.? But cost for amateurs is still a factor there.? I checked once--ouch, ouch. I'm still trying to figure out a real cheap rocket fuel.? Hmmm.? I *do* now have access to chicken manure...does Tripoli Research allow that? LOL. +McG+ > I am thinking "nanoscale" aluminum is not something I can pick up from > Skylighter :) > ? > -----Original Message----- > From: > Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] > Sent: > Monday, August 24, 2009 01:16 PM > To: > ''Paul Nelson'', ''NWR list'' > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? > Pretty cool, all you would have to take with you is the Al. Scott T. > Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of Paul Nelson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:48 PM To: NWR list > Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? NASA successfully tests > eco-friendly rocket propellant Asian News International 08/22/2009 C > Copyright 2009. Hindustan Times. All rights reserved. Washington, August. > 22 -- NASA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, or AFOSR, have > successfully launched a small rocket using an environmentally-friendly, > safe propellant comprised of aluminum powder and water ice, called ALICE. > "This collaboration has been an opportunity for graduate students to work > on an environmentally-friendly propellant that can be used for flight on > Earth and used in long distance space missions," said NASA Chief Engineer > Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "These sorts of > university-led experimental projects encourage a new generation of > aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look at new ways for > NASA to meet our exploration goals," he added. Using ALICE as fuel, a > nine-foot rocket soared to a height of 1,300 feet over Purdue University's > Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month. ALICE is generating > excitement among researchers because this energetic propellant has the > potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants. When it is > optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventional > propellants. "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, Purdue > University and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to > promote basic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," > said Dr. Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR. ALICE has the consistency of > toothpaste when made. It can be fit into molds and then cooled to -30 > degree Celsius 24 hours before flight. The propellant has a high burn rate > and achieved a maximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test. "A sustained > collaborative research effort on the fundamentals of the combustion of > nanoscale aluminum and water over the last few years led to the success of > this flight," said Dr. Steven F. Son, a research team member from Purdue. > "ALICE can be improved with the addition of oxidizers and become a > potential solid rocket propellant on Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be > manufactured in distant places like the moon or Mars, instead of being > transported to distant locations at high cost," he added. > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From jim at discountrocketry.com Tue Aug 25 09:28:55 2009 From: jim at discountrocketry.com (Jim at Discount Rocketry) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:28:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Epoxy Igniter success In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <919EE4C6C72C4920862D68293E8A41EB@main> Scott, What chips are you using? Jim, Discount Rocketry -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott Berfield Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:14 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Epoxy Igniter success Thanks to all your reponses, I had a flash of insight and tried a new setup for the epoxy igniters. And they now work. I made up som e-matches using chips I had lying around, dipped the tips in a nice pyrogen called 2nd Fire, and used those as the core of the epoxy. I cast them in straws with the ematch at one end. The match burns, lights the end and it burns down. going to try different mixtures, but a basic potassium nitrate, Mg, charcoal, and epoxy seemed to work well. Since these ar eematch based, they could work for air starts and staging as well since they easily off a 9V. Video is at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3dGoLd_xjQ From sb at berfield.com Tue Aug 25 09:38:38 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:38:38 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Epoxy Igniter success Message-ID: To be honest, I am not sure. I ordered a bag of 00 form someone recently and have totally blanked on where it was. I have had bad luck in the past with these things, but this batch has been pretty good so far. -----Original Message----- From: Jim at Discount Rocketry [mailto:jim at discountrocketry.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 09:28 AM To: ''Scott Berfield'', rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Epoxy Igniter success Scott,What chips are you using?Jim,Discount Rocketry-----Original Message-----From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com[mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott BerfieldSent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:14 AMTo: rockets at rocketsnw.comSubject: [RocketsNW] Epoxy Igniter successThanks to all your reponses, I had a flash of insight and tried a newsetup for the epoxy igniters. And they now work. I made up som e-matchesusing chips I had lying around, dipped the tips in a nice pyrogen called2nd Fire, and used those as the core of the epoxy. I cast them in strawswith the ematch at one end. The match burns, lights the end and it burnsdown. going to try different mixtures, but a basic potassium nitrate,Mg, charcoal, and epoxy seemed to work well. Since these ar eematchbased, they could work for air starts and staging as well since theyeasily off a 9V.Video is at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3dGoLd_xjQ -------------- next part -------------- To be honest, I am not sure. I ordered a bag of 00 form someone recently and have totally blanked on where it was. I have had bad luck in the past with these things, but this batch has been pretty good so far. ? -----Original Message----- From: Jim at Discount Rocketry [mailto:jim at discountrocketry.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 09:28 AM To: ''Scott Berfield'', rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Epoxy Igniter success Scott, What chips are you using? Jim, Discount Rocketry -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott Berfield Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:14 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Epoxy Igniter success Thanks to all your reponses, I had a flash of insight and tried a new setup for the epoxy igniters. And they now work. I made up som e-matches using chips I had lying around, dipped the tips in a nice pyrogen called 2nd Fire, and used those as the core of the epoxy. I cast them in straws with the ematch at one end. The match burns, lights the end and it burns down. going to try different mixtures, but a basic potassium nitrate, Mg, charcoal, and epoxy seemed to work well. Since these ar eematch based, they could work for air starts and staging as well since they easily off a 9V. Video is at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3dGoLd_xjQ From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Aug 25 10:24:37 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:24:37 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Americans In Orbit Message-ID: <4A941E55.7050204@earthlink.net> AMERICA?S LAUNCH, will be the first of many missions dedicated to education.The February 20th 2012 scheduled launch date will commemorate the 50th anniversary of Friendship 7. Americans In Orbit 50 years plans to launch a privately built Gemini capsule (with rogallo wing and tricycle landing gear) atop a Falcon 9 in 2012. promo video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLC3fViir8w website http://www.aio50.org/ From David.A.Davis at boeing.com Tue Aug 25 10:28:44 2009 From: David.A.Davis at boeing.com (Davis, David A) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:28:44 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Looking for CTI One Grain Reloads here in Seattle In-Reply-To: <4A941E55.7050204@earthlink.net> References: <4A941E55.7050204@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9D1A97A1B3CDE24DB91B9D7C3052C50B063B5F31@XCH-NW-1V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> I'm looking to get my hands on 3-4 CTI one grain reloads within the next few days. I have a batch of 29mm Aerotech G motors I can swap with, or we can talk cash. Contact me off list. From deyv at europa.com Tue Aug 25 10:33:43 2009 From: deyv at europa.com (Dave Connet) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:33:43 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Epoxy Igniter success In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A942077.2050601@europa.com> Try looking at ODA Enterprises. I got some 34 & 50 ga. chips from them that are quite satisfactory. -------------- next part -------------- Try looking at ODA Enterprises.? I got some 34 & 50 ga. chips from them that are quite satisfactory. From jim at discountrocketry.com Tue Aug 25 12:13:23 2009 From: jim at discountrocketry.com (Jim at Discount Rocketry) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:13:23 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Epoxy Igniter success In-Reply-To: <4A942077.2050601@europa.com> Message-ID: <73BD448404CB42D4B9C22F0218EAAEC0@main> Dave, Are the 50ga continuity safe or 34ga. Jim Discount Rocketry -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connet [mailto:deyv at europa.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:34 AM To: Scott Berfield Cc: Jim at Discount Rocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Epoxy Igniter success Try looking at ODA Enterprises. I got some 34 & 50 ga. chips from them that are quite satisfactory. -------------- next part -------------- Dave, ? Are the 50ga continuity safe or 34ga. ? Jim Discount Rocketry ? -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connet [mailto:deyv at europa.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:34 AM To: Scott Berfield Cc: Jim at Discount Rocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Epoxy Igniter success ? Try looking at ODA Enterprises.? I got some 34 & 50 ga. chips from them that are quite satisfactory. From appusher at q.com Tue Aug 25 18:06:23 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:06:23 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone traveling from Puget Sound to Dayton for the Sept launch? Message-ID: Anyone traveling to Dayton for the Sept launch that would consider transporting reloads for David Glass.? Reply "off list". Modest reward supplied. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me -------------- next part -------------- Anyone traveling to Dayton for the Sept launch that would consider transporting reloads for David Glass.? ? Reply "off list". Modest reward supplied. ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From appusher at q.com Tue Aug 25 19:40:27 2009 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:40:27 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone traveling from Puget Sound to Dayton for the Sept launch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to everyone that replied. I have transportation. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: appusher at q.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:06:23 +0000 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone traveling from Puget Sound to Dayton for the Sept launch? > > > > Anyone traveling to Dayton for the Sept launch that would consider transporting reloads for David Glass.? > > > > Reply "off list". > > Modest reward supplied. > > > > Bill at PSP > > > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > Join me -------------- next part -------------- Thanks to everyone that replied. ? I have transportation. ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ? > From: appusher at q.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:06:23 +0000 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone traveling from Puget Sound to Dayton for the Sept launch? > > > > Anyone traveling to Dayton for the Sept launch that would consider transporting reloads for David Glass.? > > > > Reply "off list". > > Modest reward supplied. > > > > Bill at PSP > > > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > Join me From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Tue Aug 25 19:55:14 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I Googled the subject a couple years ago and followed a bunch of links. It didn't turn up much of interest to me in the way of rocketry possibilities. But chlorine might play a role in burning Al metal. I did a bit of back o' the envelope research on using concentrated hydrochloric acid as an oxidizer. Filed it away as inconclusive without doing actual experiments. Like most metal/water rocket fuel schemes, achieving actual combustion is problematic. +McG+ > I think I remember something about the Navy experimenting with a high > speed > torpedo using Al and seawater... anybody know about it? > -Robert > > > In a message dated 8/24/2009 11:03:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com writes: > > Another one of my great ideas stolen by NASA. ;-) > > Many people have thought about that combination. The key ingredient is > "nanoscale" aluminum particles. What the article doesn't say is that the > cost of aluminum nanoparticles is still, uh, I guess pun intended, > sky-high. Notice they didn't push that nine-foot rocket very far up with > a honkin' big motor. And I bet it was about a Warp-10 burn too! > > I always figured very fine magnesium 'wool' frozen in ice would be more > practical. But cost for amateurs is still a factor there. I checked > once--ouch, ouch. > > I'm still trying to figure out a real cheap rocket fuel. Hmmm. I *do* > now have access to chicken manure...does Tripoli Research allow that? > LOL. > +McG+ > > >> I am thinking "nanoscale" aluminum is not something I can pick up from >> Skylighter :) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> Scott T Bowers [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] >> Sent: >> Monday, August 24, 2009 01:16 PM >> To: >> ''Paul Nelson'', ''NWR list'' >> Subject: >> Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? >> Pretty cool, all you would have to take with you is the Al. Scott T. >> Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: >> rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On >> Behalf Of Paul Nelson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:48 PM To: NWR >> list >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? NASA successfully tests >> eco-friendly rocket propellant Asian News International 08/22/2009 C >> Copyright 2009. Hindustan Times. All rights reserved. Washington, >> August. >> 22 -- NASA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, or AFOSR, > have >> successfully launched a small rocket using an >> environmentally-friendly, >> safe propellant comprised of aluminum powder and water ice, called >> ALICE. >> "This collaboration has been an opportunity for graduate students to >> work >> on an environmentally-friendly propellant that can be used for flight >> on >> Earth and used in long distance space missions," said NASA Chief > Engineer >> Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "These sorts of >> university-led experimental projects encourage a new generation of >> aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look at new ways >> for >> NASA to meet our exploration goals," he added. Using ALICE as fuel, a >> nine-foot rocket soared to a height of 1,300 feet over Purdue > University's >> Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month. ALICE is generating >> excitement among researchers because this energetic propellant has the >> potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants. When it is >> optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventional >> propellants. "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, Purdue >> University and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to >> promote basic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," >> said Dr. Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR. ALICE has the consistency >> of >> toothpaste when made. It can be fit into molds and then cooled to -30 >> degree Celsius 24 hours before flight. The propellant has a high burn > rate >> and achieved a maximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test. "A > sustained >> collaborative research effort on the fundamentals of the combustion of >> nanoscale aluminum and water over the last few years led to the success > of >> this flight," said Dr. Steven F. Son, a research team member from >> Purdue. >> "ALICE can be improved with the addition of oxidizers and become a >> potential solid rocket propellant on Earth. Theoretically, ALICE can be >> manufactured in distant places like the moon or Mars, instead of being >> transported to distant locations at high cost," he added. >> _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Tue Aug 25 20:22:17 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14270a5a65b52ed92f9edeaa3591d0ee.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Someday I'm going to have to leach out and crystallize a bucketful of chicken coop 'carpet' to see what I get. Just to satisfy my curiosity. But somehow it's just not high on my priority list. ;-) Still, nitrate ions from the chickens, potash and charcoal from the woodstove ash, and sugar from the pear tree fruit. Clay for the nozzle I can go dig up from the swamp. Sticks come from the trees or certain weeds. The cascara trees yield nice sap for a (very slow drying) glue. Or milkweed. Just need to figure out what to use for a casing without having to make my own paper--maybe plant some bamboo. Hmmm, yeah, I *could* call this place a "rocket ranch." :-) +McG+ > I don't see anything in the research rules against manure-powered flights. > I believe chicken waste has ap retty good nitrate load... > -----Original Message----- > From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com [mailto:kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com] > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:02 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Ice + Aluminum motor?? > > Another one of my great ideas stolen by NASA. ;-) Many people have thought > about that combination. The key ingredient is "nanoscale" aluminum > particles. What the article doesn't say is that the cost of aluminum > nanoparticles is still, uh, I guess pun intended, sky-high. Notice they > didn't push that nine-foot rocket very far up with a honkin' big motor. > And I bet it was about a Warp-10 burn too! I always figured very fine > magnesium 'wool' frozen in ice would be more practical. But cost for > amateurs is still a factor there. I checked once--ouch, ouch. I'm still > trying to figure out a real cheap rocket fuel. Hmmm. I *do* now have > access to chicken manure...does Tripoli Research allow that? LOL. +McG+ > > I am thinking "nanoscale" aluminum is not something I can pick up from > > Skylighter :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: > Scott T Bowers > [mailto:scott at scottsrockets.com] > Sent: > Monday, August 24, 2009 01:16 > PM > To: > ''Paul Nelson'', ''NWR list'' > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] Ice > + Aluminum motor?? > Pretty cool, all you would have to take with you is > the Al. Scott T. > Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- > From: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of Paul Nelson Sent: > Monday, August 24, 2009 12:48 PM To: NWR list > Subject: [RocketsNW] Ice + > Aluminum motor?? NASA successfully tests > eco-friendly rocket propellant > Asian News International 08/22/2009 C > Copyright 2009. Hindustan Times. > All rights reserved. Washington, August. > 22 -- NASA and the Air Force > Office of Scientific Research, or AFOSR, have > successfully launched a > small rocket using an environmentally-friendly, > safe propellant > comprised of aluminum powder and water ice, called ALICE. > "This > collaboration has been an opportunity for graduate students to work > on > an environmentally-friendly propellant that can be used for flight on > > Earth and used in long distance space missions," said NASA Chief Engineer > > Mike Ryschkewitsch at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "These sorts of > > university-led experimental projects encourage a new generation of > > aerospace engineers to think outside of the box and look at new ways for > > NASA to meet our exploration goals," he added. Using ALICE as fuel, a > > nine-foot rocket soared to a height of 1,300 feet over Purdue University's > > Scholer farms in Indiana earlier this month. ALICE is generating > > excitement among researchers because this energetic propellant has the > > potential to replace some liquid or solid propellants. When it is > > optimized, it could have a higher performance than conventional > > propellants. "By funding this collaborative research with NASA, Purdue > > University and the Pennsylvania State University, AFOSR continues to > > promote basic research breakthroughs for the future of the Air Force," > > said Dr. Brendan Godfrey, director of AFOSR. ALICE has the consistency of > > toothpaste when made. It can be fit into molds and then cooled to -30 > > degree Celsius 24 hours before flight. The propellant has a high burn rate > > and achieved a maximum thrust of 650 pounds during this test. "A > sustained > collaborative research effort on the fundamentals of the > combustion of > nanoscale aluminum and water over the last few years led > to the success of > this flight," said Dr. Steven F. Son, a research team > member from Purdue. > "ALICE can be improved with the addition of > oxidizers and become a > potential solid rocket propellant on Earth. > Theoretically, ALICE can be > manufactured in distant places like the moon > or Mars, instead of being > transported to distant locations at high > cost," he added. > _______________________________________________ Rockets > mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Tue Aug 25 20:50:21 2009 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:50:21 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090820083647.0348cb98@mail.iinet.com><7c12768c0b55ebfacbf7969b9e9ce65a.squirrel@www.wa-net.com><003c01ca226c$bb768700$32639500$@net> <7f3fd579e81d7695fe973bb50bca07fc.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300261@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300262@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Heard back from Karl at Aerotech Warranty today. They have labelled it "Pilot error". Apparently I put the 3/32" forward o-ring in the aft end and the 1/16" aft o-ring in the front by mistake. According to Karl, this results in a 98% failure rate via burn through at the aft closure...exactly like I experienced. So apparently the survivability of a 29mm case utterly depends on my (now proven to be questionable) ability to distinguish a 1/16" o-ring from a 3/32" o-ring. Note to self...put digital calipers on standard flight equipment checklist. Peter Schurke Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School 1819 N 135th St. Seattle, WA 98133 ________________________________ From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sent: Sat 8/22/2009 1:38 AM To: Marty Weiser Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com; 'Paul Bogdanich' Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO In my only real engineering class the prof pointed out that aluminum starts to undergo significant loss of structural strength at around 40%-50% its absolute melting point, which is not much more than the boiling point of water. Beyond half it's pretty useless structurally. Most metals do better, but it all depends on your definition of "significant load." I just couldn't remember the actual general rule. Hobby motor casings are totally dependent on insulating the metal from the combustion gases. We all know how little leakage it takes to do permanent damage to a case. In the big picture it makes perfect sense to use aluminum. Just seemed kind of weird at first. But the point is, the case material doesn't have to get all that hot before it starts getting soft. And the high thermal conductivity of aluminum guarantees that the temperature differential between the inside and outside surfaces will be small. So the time that bare case can be exposed to the hot gas in the motor without burn-through is very brief. +McG+ > Yes the general rule of thumb is about 1/2 to 2/3 of the melting point on > the absolute scale. Aluminum alloys generally melt in the 550 - 630C > range > (pure Al is at 660C) which is 823 - 903 Kelvin. Half to 2/3 of the upper > end is 450 - 600K or 177 - 327C which is not all that hot, particularly > compared to flame temperatures in a rocket motor. > > Marty > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:50 AM > To: Paul Bogdanich > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Motor CATO > > I remember a rule of thumb about the maximum temperature that a metal can > generally be used under load--something like half or one-third of its > melting point in absolute degrees. Aluminum is a known exception that > heat softens at lower temperatures. It doesn't take much exposure to > flame for aluminum to turn to butter. > > Actually, it initially kind of surprised me that reload casings were made > of aluminum alloy. > +McG+ > > >> I'm surprised that a G motor ruptured the aluminum case like that. >> What's >> the burn time .6 seconds or something? Not a lot of time to transfer >> heat >> and the casing should have been strong enough to handle the pressure >> unless >> the casing was softened by heat. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jhadv at pacifier.com Tue Aug 25 21:21:02 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Epoxy Igniter success In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6348.76.105.138.130.1251260462.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> In my estimation the 54s are very sensitive to the bridgewire coating. The 34s seem more reliable. More mass more heat. The problem of course is consistency of the ematch. We amatures typically don't test something again after a year to see that it still works the same as it did at 14 days. What works on the bench may not always work. From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 08:34:12 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:34:12 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan launch arrival time Message-ID: I to would like to know if my son and I can arrive Friday night in our RV, otherwise there is no way we can make it by 8am Saturday more like Noon maybe. I am planning a Level 1 Cert with a Public Missiles Cirrus Dart using a 38/29mm adapter and an Aerotech 29mm 180 or 240 case not sure which H motor to go for yet. Any help there would be great. I would also like to know if anyone has a tracker and or an altimeter that could be used for this launch. Tracker needed because Rocksim predicts H97J at 3928 Ft. Apogee, H128W at 3554 Ft. Apogee, H180W at 4906 Ft. Apogee, H220T at 4837 Ft. Apogee, and H238T at 3815 Ft. Apogee. So I know the H180W and the H220T are out of the question. This leaves me with 3 to choose from. Any suggestions will be more then welcomed. I do not want to loose my rocket hence the need for a Tracker. Also can you get colored delays? anything else that anyone can think of that could help me out in anyway will be much appreciated. Thank you, Christopher Guenther guentherchristopher at Gmail Dot Com -------------- next part -------------- Thank you, Christopher Guenther guentherchristopher at Gmail Dot Com From stevet19759 at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 11:13:41 2009 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:13:41 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan schedule, camping, and other questions Message-ID: <4A957B55.4070902@comcast.net> I've received a number of questions about the upcoming Sheridan launch. What we know: The launch is scheduled for September 12-13 at the usual location (see the website.) Setup on Friday, September 11. Launch on Saturday-Sunday, September 12-13. Teardown Sunday, September 13. We have someone to haul the trailer to the launch site before the launch and to Sherwood after the launch. (Mark Gholston will bring the trailer to the October launch at Brothers.) Steve Tarr (NAR #77956) will be on hand to handle NAR high-power certification flights. Please remember to bring your NAR membership card and, if possible, a copy of the NAR high-power application form (from the NAR website) with the top section filled out. We have some loaner Aerotech hardware available for cert flights, but not every size, and you may have to wait your turn. Bob Grossfeld (Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory) is planning to attend, with his van full of rocket motors and supplies. Mid- and some high-power motors are also available locally at Tammie's Hobbies (Beaverton), and perhaps at other Portland metro locations. Please contact one of these vendors before the launch, especially if you're planning a cert flight, so make sure you can get the motor(s) you want. What we don't know: I don't know when we'll be able to get onto the field. The farmer has switched from grass seed to wheat on at least part of the fields we use. The crop is still in the field, and we can't launch unless and until it's been harvested. We're assuming that will be "soon", but we don't know when. For that matter, we don't know for sure which field we'll be using. We don't know what the field conditions will be like or whether we'll be able to camp on the field, under the trees by the farmhouse, or at all. In any case, we should be prepared for a "no fires" rule in either location. (That may not happen, but we need to be prepared for the worst case.) Camp stoves (propane or white gas) should be OK. Sorry for those of you traveling from out of town, but this is simply not our call. Our communication with the landowner is *very* limited and we don't know when we'll know anything more. However, we'll post an update when we do hear something. What *I* don't know: I don't know if Greg Clark, our TRA prefect, will be attending Sheridan or whether we'll be able to handle TRA cert flights at Sheridan. Please contact Greg directly. We've had inquiries from some youth groups about selling drinks and/or food on the field. I hope they'll be able to do it again, but I don't know "for sure" what their plans are for this year. Other assumptions: Gary Fillible usually makes the arrangements for the Porta-potties. I'm assuming he'll do that again this year, but I don't know when or where on the field they'll be delivered. - Steve Tarr From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 11:20:26 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:20:26 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan Oregon Sept 12th and 13th Questions! Message-ID: I plan to go for a level 1 cert with a Cirrus Dart using a 29mm H. My biggest question is since I do not want to loose the rocket or damage it is, can I use a secondary recovery setup? I was thinking duel shock cords with one longer than the other and a 4 inch wide 15 foot long duel layer ripstop streamer along with the 18 inch multi-panel nylon parachute that was already provided with the kit. My reason for wanting to ad the streamer is because I had made it my self and it is red white and red which will make it easy to spot in a field. Is this something I can do for a level 1 cert? Will the added streamer cause more hang time and drift? I know that I will be getting a peak altitude of anywhere between 3500 feet and 4200 feet. Also the waiver for the Sheridan launch is 4500 feet AGL, what does AGL stand for? Any thoughts or ideas and advices will be welcome. Christopher Guenther guentherchristopher at gmail dot com -------------- next part -------------- Christopher Guenther guentherchristopher at gmail dot com From stevet19759 at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 11:38:14 2009 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:38:14 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] cert flights at Sheridan Message-ID: <4A958116.5010801@comcast.net> [Jeff: this might be a good topic for a FAQ on our web page.] I've also had a number of inquiries about certification flights at Sheridan (and, for that matter, at Brothers.) You do not need to be a member of OregonRocketry. We appreciate your support and encourage you to join (especially if you want to fly more than once or twice a year), but it's not necessary to certify. You must be a member of one of the national organizations: NAR, the National Association of Rocketry, or TRA, Tripoli Rocketry Association. Both organizations will allow you to join and certify on the same day, although the paperwork is simpler for us if you join ahead of time. (You can join either of these organizations on-line or by printing and mailing an application form.) The cert process for NAR and TRA is similar, but the details are a little different. In particular, NAR certification flights can be witnessed by any NAR members of the same or higher certification level. TRA certification flights must be witnessed by a Prefect or a TAP member. Because of that, you need to plan ahead if you want to certify with TRA. Cert flights may be made at any of our regularly scheduled high-power commercial-motor launches. NAR certifications CANNOT be done at the August launch or any other TRA research (EX) launches. Make arrangements ahead of time with your favorite vendor to get the motor you need for certification. Some club members can loan you motor hardware for your cert flight, but you should check ahead of time to make sure it will be available. Although we usually have both launch rails (the standard "1010" size) and rods (1/4", 3/8" and 1/2") available at our launches, we strongly recommend that you fit your rocket with rail buttons rather than launch lugs. They work better, and it's easier for everyone if you can just use the rails and don't have to switch to a rod for your flight. I recommend flying with some sort of radio tracking device, especially for L2 flights, and especially at Brothers. Again, some members can loan you the equipment for your cert flight. Remember to bring your NAR or TRA membership card and a copy of the certification forms to the launch. (This is ESPECIALLY important for TRA certs, since you must use their individualized forms.) Know how much your rocket weighs and the expected altitude for your flight. - Steve Tarr From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 11:50:27 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:50:27 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. Message-ID: I will have a AeroTech 29/180 and a 29/240 that can be loaned out for cert attempts. Only one can be used at a time as I only have on nozzle. if you have a tracking device I would love to use it for my cert as well. Christopher Guenther guentherchristopher at gmail dot com -------------- next part -------------- Christopher Guenther guentherchristopher at gmail dot com From bphlat234 at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 13:01:03 2009 From: bphlat234 at comcast.net (Gary Harris) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:01:03 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D4D7B18BEE24D99BDC94372A2F9623B@Garylaptop> Christopher, a new nozzle is used for each flight, they are part of a reload kit. Cases don't have a nozzle. If you have one separate from a reload kit it should not be used, especially if it has been used before, they are not reusable. See you on the field ! Gary Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Guenther" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:50 AM Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. >I will have a AeroTech 29/180 and a 29/240 that can be loaned out for cert > attempts. Only one can be used at a time as I only have on nozzle. if > you > have a tracking device I would love to use it for my cert as well. > > Christopher Guenther > guentherchristopher at gmail dot com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From stevet19759 at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 13:07:49 2009 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:07:49 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. In-Reply-To: <7D4D7B18BEE24D99BDC94372A2F9623B@Garylaptop> References: <7D4D7B18BEE24D99BDC94372A2F9623B@Garylaptop> Message-ID: <4A959615.8040304@comcast.net> Gary's right about the nozzles. Perhaps you meant to say that you have only one set of closures -- the aluminum pieces that screw into the ends of the casing. They are reusable, and it's pretty common to have more casings than closures. See you at Sheridan! -Steve Gary Harris wrote: > Christopher, > > a new nozzle is used for each flight, they are part of a reload kit. Cases > don't have a nozzle. If you have one separate from a reload kit it should > not be used, especially if it has been used before, they are not reusable. > > See you on the field ! > > Gary Harris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Guenther" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:50 AM > Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. > > >> I will have a AeroTech 29/180 and a 29/240 that can be loaned out for cert >> attempts. Only one can be used at a time as I only have on nozzle. if >> you >> have a tracking device I would love to use it for my cert as well. >> >> Christopher Guenther >> guentherchristopher at gmail dot com >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com Wed Aug 26 13:31:44 2009 From: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com (john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:31:44 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. In-Reply-To: <4A959615.8040304@comcast.net> References: <7D4D7B18BEE24D99BDC94372A2F9623B@Garylaptop> <4A959615.8040304@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688418D7D5780@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> Steve, I can bring the hardware horde to the launch if loaner hardware is needed for certification flights. Just let me know what you want or think you might need. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Steve Tarr Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:08 PM To: Gary Harris Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. Gary's right about the nozzles. Perhaps you meant to say that you have only one set of closures -- the aluminum pieces that screw into the ends of the casing. They are reusable, and it's pretty common to have more casings than closures. See you at Sheridan! -Steve Gary Harris wrote: > Christopher, > > a new nozzle is used for each flight, they are part of a reload kit. Cases > don't have a nozzle. If you have one separate from a reload kit it should > not be used, especially if it has been used before, they are not reusable. > > See you on the field ! > > Gary Harris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Guenther" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:50 AM > Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. > > >> I will have a AeroTech 29/180 and a 29/240 that can be loaned out for cert >> attempts. Only one can be used at a time as I only have on nozzle. if >> you >> have a tracking device I would love to use it for my cert as well. >> >> Christopher Guenther >> guentherchristopher at gmail dot com >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 13:58:14 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:58:14 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. Message-ID: I was thinking backwards I have the 2 cases and one forward closure and one aft closure. Forgive me I spend my days with my kids, 3 and 4 years old. Thank you, Chris Guenther -------------- next part -------------- Thank you, Chris Guenther From fred.azinger at intel.com Wed Aug 26 14:11:54 2009 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:11:54 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. In-Reply-To: <4A959615.8040304@comcast.net> References: <7D4D7B18BEE24D99BDC94372A2F9623B@Garylaptop> <4A959615.8040304@comcast.net> Message-ID: Is there a motor limit at Sheridan? Or just <40kNS and <5k AGL? From bigredbee at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 14:16:02 2009 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:16:02 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. In-Reply-To: References: <7D4D7B18BEE24D99BDC94372A2F9623B@Garylaptop> <4A959615.8040304@comcast.net> Message-ID: COOL -- M Saucer! On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Azinger, Fred wrote: > Is there a motor limit at Sheridan? > Or just <40kNS and <5k AGL? > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From fred.azinger at intel.com Wed Aug 26 14:17:26 2009 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:17:26 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. In-Reply-To: References: <7D4D7B18BEE24D99BDC94372A2F9623B@Garylaptop> <4A959615.8040304@comcast.net> Message-ID: At night -----Original Message----- From: Greg Clark [mailto:bigredbee at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:16 PM To: Azinger, Fred Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. COOL -- M Saucer! On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Azinger, Fred wrote: > Is there a motor limit at Sheridan? > Or just <40kNS and <5k AGL? > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 14:22:11 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:22:11 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. In-Reply-To: References: <7D4D7B18BEE24D99BDC94372A2F9623B@Garylaptop> <4A959615.8040304@comcast.net> Message-ID: I love Saucers at night with fancy hp leds! On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Azinger, Fred wrote: > At night > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Clark [mailto:bigredbee at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:16 PM > To: Azinger, Fred > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. > > COOL -- M ! > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Azinger, Fred > wrote: > > Is there a motor limit at Sheridan? > > Or just <40kNS and <5k AGL? > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Azinger, Fred < mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com > wrote: At night -----Original Message----- From: Greg Clark [mailto: mailto:bigredbee at gmail.com bigredbee at gmail.com ] Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:16 PM To: Azinger, Fred Cc: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. COOL -- M ! On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Azinger, Fred< mailto:fred.azinger at intel.com fred.azinger at intel.com > wrote: > Is there a motor limit at Sheridan? > Or just <40kNS and <5k AGL? > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From robert.krausert at intel.com Wed Aug 26 14:25:07 2009 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:25:07 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. In-Reply-To: References: <7D4D7B18BEE24D99BDC94372A2F9623B@Garylaptop> <4A959615.8040304@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E415F5457@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Class 2 rockets. That said, we'll actually have a motor size limit, not because of altitude, but by range setup. We'll have low power at 50 feet, mid power at 100 feet and high power at 200 feet. That limits us to K and below. That is how Sheridan was configured last year. Seemed to work. If you're doing an M saucer... Cool!!! We'd need to string wire out another 300 feet. I'm not sure however what our safety director would say about an M at Sheridan. ;-) Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:12 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. Is there a motor limit at Sheridan? Or just <40kNS and <5k AGL? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From stevet19759 at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 14:27:41 2009 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:27:41 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. In-Reply-To: References: <7D4D7B18BEE24D99BDC94372A2F9623B@Garylaptop> <4A959615.8040304@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A95A8CD.1040204@comcast.net> For Fred, we just worry about the clear distance to the house and the road :-) Should we plan to set up a pad at 500'? -Steve Greg Clark wrote: > COOL -- M Saucer! > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Azinger, Fred wrote: >> Is there a motor limit at Sheridan? >> Or just <40kNS and <5k AGL? >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 14:38:40 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:38:40 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. In-Reply-To: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E415F5457@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <7D4D7B18BEE24D99BDC94372A2F9623B@Garylaptop> <4A959615.8040304@comcast.net> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E415F5457@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: I think it would be extra cool to see but as always safety should come in first and foremost. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Krausert, Robert wrote: > Class 2 rockets. That said, we'll actually have a motor size limit, not > because of altitude, but by range setup. We'll have low power at 50 feet, > mid power at 100 feet and high power at 200 feet. That limits us to K and > below. That is how Sheridan was configured last year. Seemed to work. > > If you're doing an M saucer... Cool!!! We'd need to string wire out another > 300 feet. I'm not sure however what our safety director would say about an M > at Sheridan. ;-) > > Cheers, > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:12 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. > > Is there a motor limit at Sheridan? > Or just <40kNS and <5k AGL? > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Krausert, Robert < mailto:robert.krausert at intel.com robert.krausert at intel.com > wrote: Class 2 rockets. That said, we'll actually have a motor size limit, not because of altitude, but by range setup. We'll have low power at 50 feet, mid power at 100 feet and high power at 200 feet. That limits us to K and below. That is how Sheridan was configured last year. Seemed to work. If you're doing an M saucer... Cool!!! We'd need to string wire out another 300 feet. I'm not sure however what our safety director would say about an M at Sheridan. ;-) Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:12 PM To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. Is there a motor limit at Sheridan? Or just <40kNS and <5k AGL? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From winningstad at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 14:47:13 2009 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis S Winningstad) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:47:13 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. In-Reply-To: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E415F5457@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <7D4D7B18BEE24D99BDC94372A2F9623B@Garylaptop> <4A959615.8040304@comcast.net> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E415F5457@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <01d501ca2696$c621bc50$526534f0$@net> Gosh-O-GOLLY! I read an article about a M1939 powered saucer a few years ago. I bet it chugs up 900' or so! What does size have to do with it if it remains <5000' and maybe he has GSE to set up at 500'??? Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Krausert, Robert Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:25 PM To: Azinger, Fred; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. Class 2 rockets. That said, we'll actually have a motor size limit, not because of altitude, but by range setup. We'll have low power at 50 feet, mid power at 100 feet and high power at 200 feet. That limits us to K and below. That is how Sheridan was configured last year. Seemed to work. If you're doing an M saucer... Cool!!! We'd need to string wire out another 300 feet. I'm not sure however what our safety director would say about an M at Sheridan. ;-) Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:12 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. Is there a motor limit at Sheridan? Or just <40kNS and <5k AGL? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 16:18:06 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:18:06 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. Message-ID: Are there going to be any competitions at the launch I.E. egg loft, stop drops, drag races, flight durations......ect.. -------------- next part -------------- From robert.krausert at intel.com Wed Aug 26 16:24:24 2009 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:24:24 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E415F5624@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Three drag races. I'm hosting an Estes class 10-way drag race. Hosting a 3-stage 10-way drag race. Still need sign-ups for those two. Third is a 10-way G79W-10 drag race. All motors are on me. I'm bringing my 10-way pad again. Uses either 1/8" and 3/16" rods. The G79W-10 is full. But you are welcome to join the other two. If you're bringing kids, they are welcome too. Any E motor or below for race one. The second race needs to be a 3-stage rocket. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Guenther Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:18 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. Are there going to be any competitions at the launch I.E. egg loft, stop drops, drag races, flight durations......ect.. From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 16:52:57 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:52:57 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot drags. Message-ID: I do have an estes Hijyks fits A,B,and C motors single stage.. but I was hoping for something in the single F, G, and H ranges. I really want to do a spot drop. -------------- next part -------------- From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 17:02:22 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:02:22 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. In-Reply-To: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E415F5624@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E415F5624@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: Let me know if anyone drops from the G79W-10 race. I want in.. Thank you, Chris On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Krausert, Robert wrote: > Three drag races. I'm hosting an Estes class 10-way drag race. Hosting a > 3-stage 10-way drag race. Still need sign-ups for those two. Third is a > 10-way G79W-10 drag race. All motors are on me. I'm bringing my 10-way pad > again. Uses either 1/8" and 3/16" rods. > > The G79W-10 is full. But you are welcome to join the other two. If you're > bringing kids, they are welcome too. Any E motor or below for race one. The > second race needs to be a 3-stage rocket. > > Cheers, > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Christopher Guenther > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:18 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. > > Are there going to be any competitions at the launch I.E. egg loft, stop > drops, drag races, flight durations......ect.. > -------------- next part -------------- Thank you, Chris On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Krausert, Robert < mailto:robert.krausert at intel.com robert.krausert at intel.com > wrote: Three drag races. I'm hosting an Estes class 10-way drag race. Hosting a 3-stage 10-way drag race. Still need sign-ups for those two. Third is a 10-way G79W-10 drag race. All motors are on me. I'm bringing my 10-way pad again. Uses either 1/8" and 3/16" rods. The G79W-10 is full. But you are welcome to join the other two. If you're bringing kids, they are welcome too. Any E motor or below for race one. The second race needs to be a 3-stage rocket. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Christopher Guenther Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:18 PM To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot. Are there going to be any competitions at the launch I.E. egg loft, stop drops, drag races, flight durations......ect.. From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 17:13:00 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:13:00 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan Spot Drop competition Message-ID: If anyone is interested please let me know. -------------- next part -------------- From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Thu Aug 27 00:41:25 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] I will have loaner Motor cases for Sheridan shoot drags. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you want to do a "spot drop" I'll have to enter and then you will be guaranteed not to be last! +McG+ (Can't hit Nevada on a clear day...from Black Rock) From sales at pvconly.com Thu Aug 27 10:10:40 2009 From: sales at pvconly.com (sales at pvconly.com) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Fw: [ROCKETS] Fw: [SUGPRO] Fw: Senator Kennedy's Remains To Be Laid to Rest in Outer Space Message-ID: <898529.4734.qm@web1214.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Ol' Ted had enough scotch in him that they should be able > to use him for the fuel too! > > Sam Grado > TRA L2 >? > "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch"! >? > http://www.pvconly.com > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Merlin Milner > wrote: > > > From: Merlin Milner > > Subject: Fw: [SUGPRO] Fw: Senator Kennedy's Remains To > Be Laid to Rest in Outer Space > > To: vonrang at yahoo.com > > Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 9:48 AM > > --- On > > Thu, 8/27/09, Merlin Milner > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Merlin Milner > > Subject: [SUGPRO] Fw: Senator Kennedy's Remains To Be > > Laid to Rest in Outer Space > > To: sugpro at rocketeers.com > > Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 11:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 08/26/09 Cape Cod, MA (AP) > > > > From the Kennedy compound in Cape Cod Massachusetts, > > sources report that the late Massachusetts senator > Ted > > Kennedy's remains will be deposited in low Earth > orbit > > on the last scheduled flight of the Space Shuttle, > prior to > > the retirement of the Space Shuttle Program. > > > > Senator Kennedy's burial in space will follow other > > notables such as 1960's sci-fi television show > creator > > Gene Roddenberry (The Outer Limits, STAR TREK) and > STAR TREK > > actor James Doohan, STAR TREK's Scottish first > engineer > > of the starship Enterprise. > > > > Sources among the Kennedy family say that it was Ted > > Kennedy's wish "to provide a final lasting tribute > > to the legacy of his brother, John Fitzgerald > Kennedy, > > who's call to "land a man on the moon..." > > launched the Space Race of the 1960's that culminated > > with the first moon landing in July of 1969. > > > > Associated Press Contributing writer Anthony Bologna > >? 2009/08/26 > > > > ????? > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SugPro mailing list > > SugPro at rocketeers.com > > http://rocketeers.com/mailman/listinfo/sugpro > > > > > > > >? ? ??? > > > ? ? ? > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups "rockets" group. > To post to this group, send email to rockets at googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rockets+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rockets?hl=en > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > -------------- next part -------------- > Ol' Ted had enough scotch in him that they should be able > to use him for the fuel too! > > Sam Grado > TRA L2 >? > "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch"! >? > http://www.pvconly.com/ http://www.pvconly.com > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=samgrado at pvconly.com samgrado at pvconly.com > > > --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Merlin Milner < http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=l.merlinm at yahoo.com l.merlinm at yahoo.com > > wrote: > > > From: Merlin Milner < http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=l.merlinm at yahoo.com l.merlinm at yahoo.com > > > Subject: Fw: [SUGPRO] Fw: Senator Kennedy's Remains To > Be Laid to Rest in Outer Space > > To: http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vonrang at yahoo.com vonrang at yahoo.com > > Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 9:48 AM > > --- On > > Thu, 8/27/09, Merlin Milner > > < http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=l.merlinm at yahoo.com l.merlinm at yahoo.com > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Merlin Milner < http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=l.merlinm at yahoo.com l.merlinm at yahoo.com > > > Subject: [SUGPRO] Fw: Senator Kennedy's Remains To Be > > Laid to Rest in Outer Space > > To: http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sugpro at rocketeers.com sugpro at rocketeers.com > > Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 11:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 08/26/09 Cape Cod, MA (AP) > > > > From the Kennedy compound in Cape Cod Massachusetts, > > sources report that the late Massachusetts senator > Ted > > Kennedy's remains will be deposited in low Earth > orbit > > on the last scheduled flight of the Space Shuttle, > prior to > > the retirement of the Space Shuttle Program. > > > > Senator Kennedy's burial in space will follow other > > notables such as 1960's sci-fi television show > creator > > Gene Roddenberry (The Outer Limits, STAR TREK) and > STAR TREK > > actor James Doohan, STAR TREK's Scottish first > engineer > > of the starship Enterprise. > > > > Sources among the Kennedy family say that it was Ted > > Kennedy's wish "to provide a final lasting tribute > > to the legacy of his brother, John Fitzgerald > Kennedy, > > who's call to "land a man on the moon..." > > launched the Space Race of the 1960's that culminated > > with the first moon landing in July of 1969. > > > > Associated Press Contributing writer Anthony Bologna > >? 2009/08/26 > > > > ????? > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SugPro mailing list > > http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SugPro at rocketeers.com SugPro at rocketeers.com > > http://rocketeers.com/mailman/listinfo/sugpro http://rocketeers.com/mailman/listinfo/sugpro > > > > > > > >? ? ??? > > > ? ? ? > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups "rockets" group. > To post to this group, send email to http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rockets at googlegroups.com rockets at googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rockets+ http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscribe at googlegroups.com unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rockets?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/rockets?hl=en > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 16:04:54 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:04:54 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? Message-ID: I am going to be there in my RV but the Generator that it is supposed to have is not there since the previous owner kept it for his work truck. If you have a portable Generator that has a 30 amp hook up we would supply the fuel if we can use it even wheel out the big TV. -------------- next part -------------- From glech at aol.com Thu Aug 27 16:24:21 2009 From: glech at aol.com (Gary Lech) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:24:21 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? References: Message-ID: <80FBB7E128A64268A5DCA5F232AF9870@wink> I'll have a noisey one but it's permanently mounted in the camper if that's any help. I do have a 50 foot extension that I carry as well. Gary Lech - WA7GL ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Guenther To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? I am going to be there in my RV but the Generator that it is supposed to have is not there since the previous owner kept it for his work truck. If you have a portable Generator that has a 30 amp hook up we would supply the fuel if we can use it even wheel out the big TV. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- I'll have a noisey one but it's permanently mounted in the camper if that's any help. I do have a 50 foot extension that I carry as well. Gary Lech - WA7GL ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:guentherchristopher at gmail.com Christopher Guenther To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? I am going to be there in my RV but the Generator that it is supposed to have is not there since the previous owner kept it for his work truck.? If you have a portable Generator that has a 30 amp hook up we would supply the fuel if we can use it even wheel out the big TV. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From robert.krausert at intel.com Thu Aug 27 16:28:59 2009 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:28:59 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? In-Reply-To: <80FBB7E128A64268A5DCA5F232AF9870@wink> References: <80FBB7E128A64268A5DCA5F232AF9870@wink> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E41665428@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Very limited use of generators at the launch please. Creates noise not enjoyed by most. A short time to microwave something is fine. But extended use is something we'd want to avoid. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Gary Lech Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:24 PM To: Christopher Guenther; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? I'll have a noisey one but it's permanently mounted in the camper if that's any help. I do have a 50 foot extension that I carry as well. Gary Lech - WA7GL ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Guenther To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? I am going to be there in my RV but the Generator that it is supposed to have is not there since the previous owner kept it for his work truck. If you have a portable Generator that has a 30 amp hook up we would supply the fuel if we can use it even wheel out the big TV. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From carl20320 at msn.com Thu Aug 27 16:34:55 2009 From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:34:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? In-Reply-To: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E41665428@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <80FBB7E128A64268A5DCA5F232AF9870@wink> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E41665428@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: THANK YOU!! > From: robert.krausert at intel.com > To: glech at aol.com; guentherchristopher at gmail.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:28:59 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? > > Very limited use of generators at the launch please. Creates noise not enjoyed by most. A short time to microwave something is fine. But extended use is something we'd want to avoid. > > Cheers, > Robert -------------- next part -------------- THANK YOU!! ? > From: robert.krausert at intel.com > To: glech at aol.com; guentherchristopher at gmail.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:28:59 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? > > Very limited use of generators at the launch please. Creates noise not enjoyed by most. A short time to microwave something is fine. But extended use is something we'd want to avoid. > > Cheers, > Robert From absworld at cet.com Thu Aug 27 16:39:40 2009 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:39:40 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? In-Reply-To: References: <80FBB7E128A64268A5DCA5F232AF9870@wink> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E41665428@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <01e601ca276f$a7b7e3a0$f727aae0$@com> I'm not even going to be there and I appreciate it too! Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Carl Degner Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:35 PM To: Rockets NW list Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? THANK YOU!! > From: robert.krausert at intel.com > To: glech at aol.com; guentherchristopher at gmail.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:28:59 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? > > Very limited use of generators at the launch please. Creates noise not enjoyed by most. A short time to microwave something is fine. But extended use is something we'd want to avoid. > > Cheers, > Robert From robert.krausert at intel.com Thu Aug 27 16:44:54 2009 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:44:54 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? In-Reply-To: References: <80FBB7E128A64268A5DCA5F232AF9870@wink> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E41665428@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E4166545F@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Sheridan escapes a lot of the inner metro light pollution. Sheridan's launch is typically a great time to very stars at night. It's also a great time to bring lawn chairs together and talk. Talking with new and old friends under a quiet deck of stars is so rewarding. Lets have some fun. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Carl Degner Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:35 PM To: Rockets NW list Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? THANK YOU!! > From: robert.krausert at intel.com > To: glech at aol.com; guentherchristopher at gmail.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:28:59 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? > > Very limited use of generators at the launch please. Creates noise not enjoyed by most. A short time to microwave something is fine. But extended use is something we'd want to avoid. > > Cheers, > Robert From robert.krausert at intel.com Thu Aug 27 16:51:00 2009 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:51:00 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? In-Reply-To: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E4166545F@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <80FBB7E128A64268A5DCA5F232AF9870@wink> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E41665428@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E4166545F@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E41665479@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> To "very stars" or to "view stars" it's all good. I love my typos. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Krausert, Robert Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:45 PM To: Carl Degner; Rockets NW list Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? Sheridan escapes a lot of the inner metro light pollution. Sheridan's launch is typically a great time to very stars at night. It's also a great time to bring lawn chairs together and talk. Talking with new and old friends under a quiet deck of stars is so rewarding. Lets have some fun. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Carl Degner Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:35 PM To: Rockets NW list Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? THANK YOU!! > From: robert.krausert at intel.com > To: glech at aol.com; guentherchristopher at gmail.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:28:59 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anyone going to the Sheridan Launch Have a Generator? > > Very limited use of generators at the launch please. Creates noise not enjoyed by most. A short time to microwave something is fine. But extended use is something we'd want to avoid. > > Cheers, > Robert _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 17:40:49 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:40:49 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have old rockets, projects, kits, supplies, or building materials to get rid of? Message-ID: I am looking for any of the things stated in the title. -------------- next part -------------- From gbhchrist at verizon.net Thu Aug 27 17:43:47 2009 From: gbhchrist at verizon.net (George Christ) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:43:47 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have old rockets, projects, kits, supplies, or building materials to get rid of? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To facilitate matters, where are you? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Guenther" To: Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have old rockets, projects, kits, supplies,or building materials to get rid of? >I am looking for any of the things stated in the title. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 17:45:33 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:45:33 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have old rockets, projects, kits, supplies, or building materials to get rid of? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I reside within the Portland Oregon Area but a good drive makes no difference to me. Chris On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:43 PM, George Christ wrote: > To facilitate matters, where are you? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Guenther" < > guentherchristopher at gmail.com> > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:40 PM > Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have old rockets, projects, kits, supplies,or > building materials to get rid of? > > > I am looking for any of the things stated in the title. >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- Chris On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:43 PM, George Christ < mailto:gbhchrist at verizon.net gbhchrist at verizon.net > wrote: To facilitate matters, where are you? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Guenther" < mailto:guentherchristopher at gmail.com guentherchristopher at gmail.com > To: < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have old rockets, projects, kits, supplies,or building materials to get rid of? I am looking for any of the things stated in the title. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Aug 28 07:51:30 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:51:30 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttle Discovery Launch (STS-128), Friday, 28AUG09/2059 PDT, 1159 EDT Message-ID: <4A97EEF2.4010909@earthlink.net> Mission Statistics Mission name: STS-128 Space shuttle: Discovery Spacecraft mass: TBD Launch pad: LC-39A Launch date: 28 August 2009, 8:59 p.m. PDT (03:59 UTC, 29 August 2009) Landing: 10 September 2009 at KSC. Mission duration: 13 days Number of orbits planned: TBD Orbital period: TBD Orbital inclination/altitude: 51.6 degrees/122 nautical miles NASA STS-128 press kit. http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/379392main_STS-128_Press_Kit.pdf Mission Summary http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/376254main_STS128%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf STS-128 (ISS assembly flight 17A) is the next space shuttle mission to the International Space Station (ISS). It is expected to use Space Shuttle Discovery with a planned launch on 28 August 2009 at 8:59PM PDT (03:59 UTC+1) and is scheduled to return to Earth Sunday, 10 September 2009 and land at the Kennedy Space Center. Crew Commander: Frederick W. Sturckow (Fourth spaceflight) Pilot: Kevin A. Ford (First spaceflight) Mission Specialist 1: Patrick G. Forrester (Third spaceflight) Mission Specialist 2: Jose M. Hern?ndez (First spaceflight, Flight Engineer) Mission Specialist 3: Christer Fuglesang, ESA (Second spaceflight, EVA#3) Mission Specialist 4: John D. Olivas (Second spaceflight, Lead Spacewalker, EVA#1) Mission Specialist 5: Nicole Stott (ISS Expedition 20, First spaceflight, EVA#2) launching Timothy Kopra, ISS Expedition 20, First spaceflight) landing Mission Payload: The primary payload of STS-128 is the Multi-Purpose Logistics Module Leonardo. Leonardo's purpose is to assist with establishing a six-man crew capacity by bringing extra supplies and equipment to the station. The MPLM will contain three racks for life support, a Crew quarter to be installed in Kibo, a new treadmill (C.O.L.B.E.R.T.) that will temporarily be placed in Node 2 and later in Node 3 and an Atmospheric Revitalization System (ARS) that will temporarily be placed in Kibo and later in Node 3. It will also contain three racks dedicated to science, FIR (Fluids Integrated Rack) and the first Materials Science Research Rack (MSRR-1) to be placed in Destiny and MELFI-2 (Minus Eighty Laboratory Freezer for ISS) to be placed in Kibo. The FIR will enable detailed study of how liquids behave in microgravity, a crucial detail for many chemical reactions. One experiment, for instance, will examine how mixtures known as colloids behave without being stirred by sedimentation and convection. Another using the Light Microscopy Module (LMM) will examine how an ideal heat pipe works without the distortions of microgravity. The shuttle will also carry a Lightweight Multi-Purpose Experiment Support Structure Carrier. It will contain a new ammonia tank that will replace an empty tank during an EVA. The STS-128 mission (as did STS-125 and STS-127) will take part in crew seat vibration tests that will help engineers on the ground understand how astronauts experience launch. They will then use the information to help design the crew seats that will be used in future NASA spacecraft. STS-128 will be repeating the Boundary Layer Transition (BLT) Detailed Test Objective (DTO) experiment that was done by the same shuttle during STS-119. In this experiment, one of the thermal protection system tile will be raised to create a boundary layer transition in which the air flow becomes turbulent beyond a certain speed. During STS-119 the tile was raised 0.25 inches (6.4 mm) above the others, tripping the flow at Mach 15 during reentry. In the modification being done, the tile has been raised 0.35 inches (8.9 mm) which will trip at Mach 18 producing more heat. Discovery will be also be undertaking the testing of a catalytic coating which is meant to be used by the Orion (spacecraft). Two TPS tiles located in the protuberance downstream from the BLT tile has been fully coated with the catalytic material in order to understand the entry heating performance. The tiles are instrumented to collect a wide variety of data. The mission marks: 159th American manned space flight 128th shuttle mission since STS-1 37th flight of Discovery 30th shuttle mission to the ISS 103rd post-Challenger mission 15th post-Columbia mission STS 128 is planned to be the last Space Shuttle flight used for ISS crew rotation, with Nicole Stott replacing Tim Kopra. Stott will return on STS 129, but that flight will not bring her replacement. STS-128 is the seventh to the last of the Space Shuttle missions before they are retired from service. Space Shuttle Discovery will be flying its third to the last of the Space Shuttle missions before it retired and will be the orbiter to fly the last mission on STS-134, 16SEP2010. Fact Sheet: Remaining Shuttle Missions (1.3 MB PDF) http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/360407main_June2009.pdf Twitter Page STS-127: http://twitter.com/STS128 NASA's: https://twitter.com/nasa SpaceFlight Now: http://twitter.com/spaceflightnow/ Websites: NASA's Space Shuttle page: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/index.html NASA' STS-128 page: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts128/index.html SpaceFlight Now, Live Mission Updates: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts128/status.html Space.com Launch and Mission Coverage: http://www.space.com/spaceshuttle/ Watching the Launch http://www.fromil.com/tv/index.php?radio=5 http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html http://www.floridatoday.com/content/blogs/space/livenasatv.shtml http://www.floridatoday.com/content/multimedia/space/livenasamediafeed.html http://www.spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts128/status.html Live Web Cams at Kennedy Space Center and Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida and Vandenburg AFB in California. http://www.floridatoday.com/content/maps/spacewebcams.shtml Tracking the Shuttle and the ISS http://heavens-above.com/ http://www.n2yo.com/ http://spaceweather.com/flybys/ http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/ http://science.nasa.gov/RealTime/jtrack/ Videos STS-128 Discovery Crew Arrival KSC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZC3graGf50 STS-128 crew performs equipment checkout at KSC. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0_IsOJotbI COLBERT payload roll over to launch pad 39A. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvOcbIRXP-s STS-128 Discovery roll over to the VAB and lift onto the External Tank. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIRVBj_ILPw STS-128 Discovery roll out to the launch pad 39A. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nx7gsKaK5g STS-128 media question and answer session with the astronauts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15vHW9kAMkI STS-128 ESA astronaut Christer Fuglesang's mission. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0vpuAnAZNY STS-128 Preflight Press Briefing Program Overview 13AUG09 (1hr., 2mins.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfF3ZHNQjjY STS-128 Preflight Briefing Animation (3mins., 39secs.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1yEogtoKUU From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Aug 28 08:13:13 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:13:13 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Hybrid rocket fliers causing ozone layer depletion and global warming (sky is falling alert!) Message-ID: <4A97F409.2020102@earthlink.net> I love the smell of future bureaucratic regulation in the morning. Looks like hybrid fliers won't be immune from the Mandarins either. Guess its time to go back to old stand-by - water rockets. ;) Robert -------------------------------------------------------------- http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090828/hl_time/08599191913900 Laughing Gas: The Latest Threat to the Ozone Layer (excerpt) But even with that battle all but won, scientists are finding a new man-made threat to the ozone layer: nitrous oxide (N2O), otherwise known as laughing gas. A study published in the Aug. 28 Science found that N2O - a by-product of agricultural fertilizer and a number of other industrial processes - is now the biggest ozone-depleting gas in the air, and could present a real threat to the ozone layer in coming decades. And worse, unlike CFCs, N2O - which also adds to global warming - is not regulated by the Montreal Protocol, meaning there is no global effort to try to reduce emissions. The idea that N2O poses a threat to the ozone layer is not new, but the Science study is the first comprehensive look at the exact concentrations and consequences of the gas. The investigators found that although N2O is only one-sixtieth as dangerous to the ozone layer as CFCs on a gram-by-gram basis, the sheer amount of N2O - each year nearly 1 billion metric tons of CO2 equivalent are released globally - means that it now poses a more significant threat to the atmosphere. (N2O emissions are calculated in terms of their impact on global warming, and CO2 is used as a kind of base level.) While CFCs had a relatively narrow range of uses - and chemical companies like DuPont were able to come up with replacements quickly - N2O is all around us, tied intimately to our industrial way of life. The millions of tons of soil fertilizer used in U.S. agriculture alone add N2O into the atmosphere, as do livestock manure, sewage treatment and automobiles. And it's not just our doing: two-thirds of global N2O emissions come from the planet itself, as bacteria in soil and the oceans break down nitrogen. Though N2O is regulated by the Kyoto Protocol of 1997 as a greenhouse gas - and one that is nearly 300 times more potent for global warming than CO2 - that treaty doesn't cover all nations, and will expire in 2012. "The question is how are we going to reduce these gases," says Daniel. "We need to bridge that gap between science and policy." From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 09:05:44 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:05:44 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? Message-ID: What do you have to do to Launch HPR's on your own? I have a Family farm in Easter Washington with more than enough room to Launch High Powers. What do you have to do to keep everything legal? -------------- next part -------------- From bigredbee at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 09:07:48 2009 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:07:48 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: so is it just me, or are other having problems seeing Christopher's emails? Below is all I get......just a signature, not text. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Christopher Guenther < guentherchristopher at gmail.com> wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Christopher Guenther < mailto:guentherchristopher at gmail.com guentherchristopher at gmail.com > wrote: _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From greg at blastzone.com Fri Aug 28 09:16:02 2009 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:16:02 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05fa01ca27fa$d6e85ca0$84b915e0$@com> His message came through fine for me, what email client are you using? > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of Greg Clark > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:08 AM > To: Christopher Guenther > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? > > so is it just me, or are other having problems seeing Christopher's emails? > Below is all I get......just a signature, not text. > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Christopher Guenther < > guentherchristopher at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > From Simpsonclark at aol.com Fri Aug 28 09:19:28 2009 From: Simpsonclark at aol.com (Simpsonclark at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:19:28 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Hybrid rocket fliers causing ozone layer depletion and global... Message-ID: We should get environmental awards, in as much as we are destroying the stuff! In a message dated 8/28/2009 8:13:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net writes: I love the smell of future bureaucratic regulation in the morning. Looks like hybrid fliers won't be immune from the Mandarins either. Guess its time to go back to old stand-by - water rockets. ;) Robert -------------------------------------------------------------- http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090828/hl_time/08599191913900 Laughing Gas: The Latest Threat to the Ozone Layer (excerpt) But even with that battle all but won, scientists are finding a new man-made threat to the ozone layer: nitrous oxide (N2O), otherwise known as laughing gas. A study published in the Aug. 28 Science found that N2O - a by-product of agricultural fertilizer and a number of other industrial processes - is now the biggest ozone-depleting gas in the air, and could present a real threat to the ozone layer in coming decades. And worse, unlike CFCs, N2O - which also adds to global warming - is not regulated by the Montreal Protocol, meaning there is no global effort to try to reduce emissions. The idea that N2O poses a threat to the ozone layer is not new, but the Science study is the first comprehensive look at the exact concentrations and consequences of the gas. The investigators found that although N2O is only one-sixtieth as dangerous to the ozone layer as CFCs on a gram-by-gram basis, the sheer amount of N2O - each year nearly 1 billion metric tons of CO2 equivalent are released globally - means that it now poses a more significant threat to the atmosphere. (N2O emissions are calculated in terms of their impact on global warming, and CO2 is used as a kind of base level.) While CFCs had a relatively narrow range of uses - and chemical companies like DuPont were able to come up with replacements quickly - N2O is all around us, tied intimately to our industrial way of life. The millions of tons of soil fertilizer used in U.S. agriculture alone add N2O into the atmosphere, as do livestock manure, sewage treatment and automobiles. And it's not just our doing: two-thirds of global N2O emissions come from the planet itself, as bacteria in soil and the oceans break down nitrogen. Though N2O is regulated by the Kyoto Protocol of 1997 as a greenhouse gas - and one that is nearly 300 times more potent for global warming than CO2 - that treaty doesn't cover all nations, and will expire in 2012. "The question is how are we going to reduce these gases," says Daniel. "We need to bridge that gap between science and policy." _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- We should get environmental awards, in as much as we are destroying the stuff! ? In a message dated 8/28/2009 8:13:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net writes: I love the smell of future bureaucratic regulation in the morning.? Looks like hybrid fliers won't be immune from the Mandarins either.? Guess its time to go back to old stand-by - water rockets. ;) Robert -------------------------------------------------------------- http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090828/hl_time/08599191913900 Laughing Gas: The Latest Threat to the Ozone Layer (excerpt) But even with that battle all but won, scientists are finding a new man-made threat to the ozone layer: nitrous oxide (N2O), otherwise known as laughing gas. A study published in the Aug. 28 Science found that N2O - a by-product of agricultural fertilizer and a number of other industrial processes - is now the biggest ozone-depleting gas in the air, and could present a real threat to the ozone layer in coming decades. And worse, unlike CFCs, N2O - which also adds to global warming - is not regulated by the Montreal Protocol, meaning there is no global effort to try to reduce emissions. The idea that N2O poses a threat to the ozone layer is not new, but the Science study is the first comprehensive look at the exact concentrations and consequences of the gas. The investigators found that although N2O is only one-sixtieth as dangerous to the ozone layer as CFCs on a gram-by-gram basis, the sheer amount of N2O - each year nearly 1 billion metric tons of CO2 equivalent are released globally - means that it now poses a more significant threat to the atmosphere. (N2O emissions are calculated in terms of their impact on global warming, and CO2 is used as a kind of base level.) While CFCs had a relatively narrow range of uses - and chemical companies like DuPont were able to come up with replacements quickly - N2O is all around us, tied intimately to our industrial way of life. The millions of tons of soil fertilizer used in U.S. agriculture alone add N2O into the atmosphere, as do livestock manure, sewage treatment and automobiles. And it's not just our doing: two-thirds of global N2O emissions come from the planet itself, as bacteria in soil and the oceans break down nitrogen. Though N2O is regulated by the Kyoto Protocol of 1997 as a greenhouse gas - and one that is nearly 300 times more potent for global warming than CO2 - that treaty doesn't cover all nations, and will expire in 2012. "The question is how are we going to reduce these gases," says Daniel. "We need to bridge that gap between science and policy." _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 09:20:50 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:20:50 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? In-Reply-To: <05fa01ca27fa$d6e85ca0$84b915e0$@com> References: <05fa01ca27fa$d6e85ca0$84b915e0$@com> Message-ID: I am using Gmail if that is an issue I can use my yahoo since some people cant see my messages. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Greg Deputy wrote: > His message came through fine for me, what email client are you using? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On > > Behalf Of Greg Clark > > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:08 AM > > To: Christopher Guenther > > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? > > > > so is it just me, or are other having problems seeing Christopher's > emails? > > Below is all I get......just a signature, not text. > > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Christopher Guenther < > > guentherchristopher at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockets mailing list > > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Greg Deputy < mailto:greg at blastzone.com greg at blastzone.com > wrote: His message came through fine for me, what email client are you using? > -----Original Message----- > From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On > Behalf Of Greg Clark > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:08 AM > To: Christopher Guenther > Cc: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? > > so is it just me, or are other having problems seeing Christopher's emails? > ?Below is all I get......just a signature, not text. > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Christopher Guenther < > mailto:guentherchristopher at gmail.com guentherchristopher at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Fri Aug 28 09:24:00 2009 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:24:00 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A9804A0.6050209@hawkfeather.com> I didn't see your content either. The list is setup to convert HTML email into text, and something's screwy with it's MIME sections. Andrew. PS: you can view source on any of the 'blank' emails to see the converted text. Greg Clark wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Christopher Guenther > < mailto:guentherchristopher at gmail.com guentherchristopher at gmail.com > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Fri Aug 28 09:28:49 2009 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:28:49 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Hybrid rocket fliers causing ozone layer depletion and global... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A9805C1.5050704@hawkfeather.com> Um... wrong. We crack the nitrous during the burn, and turn it back into nitrogen plus the oxygen/propellant combustion compounds. Plus we have far far lower particulate emissions than solids. Andrew ;) Simpsonclark at aol.com wrote: > We should get environmental awards, in as much as we are destroying the stuff! > > In a message dated 8/28/2009 8:13:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net writes: > I love the smell of future bureaucratic regulation in the morning. > Looks like hybrid fliers won't be immune from the Mandarins either. > Guess its time to go back to old stand-by - water rockets. ;) > Robert > -------------------------------------------------------------- > http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090828/hl_time/08599191913900 > Laughing Gas: The Latest Threat to the Ozone Layer > (excerpt) > But even with that battle all but won, scientists are finding a new > man-made threat to the ozone layer: nitrous oxide (N2O), otherwise known > as laughing gas. A study published in the Aug. 28 Science found that N2O > - a by-product of agricultural fertilizer and a number of other > industrial processes - is now the biggest ozone-depleting gas in the > air, and could present a real threat to the ozone layer in coming > decades. And worse, unlike CFCs, N2O - which also adds to global warming > - is not regulated by the Montreal Protocol, meaning there is no global > effort to try to reduce emissions. > The idea that N2O poses a threat to the ozone layer is not new, but the > Science study is the first comprehensive look at the exact > concentrations and consequences of the gas. The investigators found that > although N2O is only one-sixtieth as dangerous to the ozone layer as > CFCs on a gram-by-gram basis, the sheer amount of N2O - each year nearly > 1 billion metric tons of CO2 equivalent are released globally - means > that it now poses a more significant threat to the atmosphere. (N2O > emissions are calculated in terms of their impact on global warming, and > CO2 is used as a kind of base level.) > While CFCs had a relatively narrow range of uses - and chemical > companies like DuPont were able to come up with replacements quickly - > N2O is all around us, tied intimately to our industrial way of life. The > millions of tons of soil fertilizer used in U.S. agriculture alone add > N2O into the atmosphere, as do livestock manure, sewage treatment and > automobiles. And it's not just our doing: two-thirds of global N2O > emissions come from the planet itself, as bacteria in soil and the > oceans break down nitrogen. Though N2O is regulated by the Kyoto > Protocol of 1997 as a greenhouse gas - and one that is nearly 300 times > more potent for global warming than CO2 - that treaty doesn't cover all > nations, and will expire in 2012. "The question is how are we going to > reduce these gases," says Daniel. "We need to bridge that gap between > science and policy." > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Fri Aug 28 09:28:33 2009 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:28:33 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? References: Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B300265@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> I am not an expert on the law, nor do I play one on TV...however my understanding is that if you plan to launch anything with more than 62.5 g of propellant, you need to file at least 45 days in advance with the FAA to obtain a flight waiver. The paperwork (and the fact that you're dealing with the government) is enough to make most of us decide it's not worth the effort and pool our resources to do club launches instead. One waiver, many flights. Less headaches. Peter Schurke Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School 1819 N 135th St. Seattle, WA 98133 ________________________________ From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Christopher Guenther Sent: Fri 8/28/2009 9:05 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? What do you have to do to Launch HPR's on your own? I have a Family farm in Easter Washington with more than enough room to Launch High Powers. What do you have to do to keep everything legal? From bigredbee at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 09:49:40 2009 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:49:40 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? In-Reply-To: <4A9804A0.6050209@hawkfeather.com> References: <4A9804A0.6050209@hawkfeather.com> Message-ID: AH -- OK -- view source -- there it is. I see it now. Thanks! On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Andrew MacMillen wrote: > I didn't see your content either. The list is setup to convert HTML email > into text, and something's screwy with it's MIME sections. > > Andrew. > > PS: you can view source on any of the 'blank' emails to see the converted > text. > > Greg Clark wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Christopher Guenther >> < mailto:guentherchristopher at gmail.com guentherchristopher at gmail.com >> wrote: >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Andrew MacMillen < mailto:andrewm at hawkfeather.com andrewm at hawkfeather.com > wrote: I didn't see your content either. The list is setup to convert HTML email into text, and something's screwy with it's MIME sections. Andrew. PS: you can view source on any of the 'blank' emails to see the converted text. Greg Clark wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Christopher Guenther < mailto: mailto:guentherchristopher at gmail.com guentherchristopher at gmail.com mailto:guentherchristopher at gmail.com guentherchristopher at gmail.com wrote: _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto: mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From bigredbee at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 09:50:43 2009 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:50:43 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] test message from gmail using rich text Message-ID: This is a test -- Adrian, can you see this *content*? -------------- next part -------------- content ? From Simpsonclark at aol.com Fri Aug 28 09:54:42 2009 From: Simpsonclark at aol.com (Simpsonclark at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:54:42 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Hybrid rocket fliers causing ozone layer depletion and global... Message-ID: Andrew- Maybe you missed my point... Hybrids launch with NO2 but the exhaust products contain no NO2 at all, even with an excess of oxidizer. Rockets don't add NO2, they burn it up. The original comments were about the possibility that hybrids might be regulated as NO2 polluters. In a message dated 8/28/2009 9:30:03 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, andrewm at hawkfeather.com writes: Um... wrong. We crack the nitrous during the burn, and turn it back into nitrogen plus the oxygen/propellant combustion compounds. Plus we have far far lower particulate emissions than solids. Andrew ;) Simpsonclark at aol.com wrote: > We should get environmental awards, in as much as we are destroying the stuff! > > In a message dated 8/28/2009 8:13:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net writes: > I love the smell of future bureaucratic regulation in the morning. > Looks like hybrid fliers won't be immune from the Mandarins either. > Guess its time to go back to old stand-by - water rockets. ;) > Robert > -------------------------------------------------------------- > http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090828/hl_time/08599191913900 > Laughing Gas: The Latest Threat to the Ozone Layer > (excerpt) > But even with that battle all but won, scientists are finding a new > man-made threat to the ozone layer: nitrous oxide (N2O), otherwise known > as laughing gas. A study published in the Aug. 28 Science found that N2O > - a by-product of agricultural fertilizer and a number of other > industrial processes - is now the biggest ozone-depleting gas in the > air, and could present a real threat to the ozone layer in coming > decades. And worse, unlike CFCs, N2O - which also adds to global warming > - is not regulated by the Montreal Protocol, meaning there is no global > effort to try to reduce emissions. > The idea that N2O poses a threat to the ozone layer is not new, but the > Science study is the first comprehensive look at the exact > concentrations and consequences of the gas. The investigators found that > although N2O is only one-sixtieth as dangerous to the ozone layer as > CFCs on a gram-by-gram basis, the sheer amount of N2O - each year nearly > 1 billion metric tons of CO2 equivalent are released globally - means > that it now poses a more significant threat to the atmosphere. (N2O > emissions are calculated in terms of their impact on global warming, and > CO2 is used as a kind of base level.) > While CFCs had a relatively narrow range of uses - and chemical > companies like DuPont were able to come up with replacements quickly - > N2O is all around us, tied intimately to our industrial way of life. The > millions of tons of soil fertilizer used in U.S. agriculture alone add > N2O into the atmosphere, as do livestock manure, sewage treatment and > automobiles. And it's not just our doing: two-thirds of global N2O > emissions come from the planet itself, as bacteria in soil and the > oceans break down nitrogen. Though N2O is regulated by the Kyoto > Protocol of 1997 as a greenhouse gas - and one that is nearly 300 times > more potent for global warming than CO2 - that treaty doesn't cover all > nations, and will expire in 2012. "The question is how are we going to > reduce these gases," says Daniel. "We need to bridge that gap between > science and policy." > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) -------------- next part -------------- Andrew- Maybe you missed my point... Hybrids launch with NO2 but the exhaust products contain no NO2 at all, even with an excess of oxidizer.? Rockets don't add NO2, they burn it up.? The original comments were about the possibility that hybrids might be regulated as NO2 polluters. ? In a message dated 8/28/2009 9:30:03 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, andrewm at hawkfeather.com writes: Um... wrong. We crack the nitrous during the burn, and turn it back into nitrogen plus the oxygen/propellant combustion compounds. Plus we have far far lower particulate emissions than solids. Andrew ;) Simpsonclark at aol.com wrote: > We should get environmental awards, in as much as we are destroying the stuff! >? > In a message dated 8/28/2009 8:13:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net writes: > I love the smell of future bureaucratic regulation in the morning. > Looks like hybrid fliers won't be immune from the Mandarins either. > Guess its time to go back to old stand-by - water rockets. ;) > Robert > -------------------------------------------------------------- > http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090828/hl_time/08599191913900 > Laughing Gas: The Latest Threat to the Ozone Layer > (excerpt) > But even with that battle all but won, scientists are finding a new > man-made threat to the ozone layer: nitrous oxide (N2O), otherwise known > as laughing gas. A study published in the Aug. 28 Science found that N2O > - a by-product of agricultural fertilizer and a number of other > industrial processes - is now the biggest ozone-depleting gas in the > air, and could present a real threat to the ozone layer in coming > decades. And worse, unlike CFCs, N2O - which also adds to global warming > - is not regulated by the Montreal Protocol, meaning there is no global > effort to try to reduce emissions. > The idea that N2O poses a threat to the ozone layer is not new, but the > Science study is the first comprehensive look at the exact > concentrations and consequences of the gas. The investigators found that > although N2O is only one-sixtieth as dangerous to the ozone layer as > CFCs on a gram-by-gram basis, the sheer amount of N2O - each year nearly > 1 billion metric tons of CO2 equivalent are released globally - means > that it now poses a more significant threat to the atmosphere. (N2O > emissions are calculated in terms of their impact on global warming, and > CO2 is used as a kind of base level.) > While CFCs had a relatively narrow range of uses - and chemical > companies like DuPont were able to come up with replacements quickly - > N2O is all around us, tied intimately to our industrial way of life. The > millions of tons of soil fertilizer used in U.S. agriculture alone add > N2O into the atmosphere, as do livestock manure, sewage treatment and > automobiles. And it's not just our doing: two-thirds of global N2O > emissions come from the planet itself, as bacteria in soil and the > oceans break down nitrogen. Though N2O is regulated by the Kyoto > Protocol of 1997 as a greenhouse gas - and one that is nearly 300 times > more potent for global warming than CO2 - that treaty doesn't cover all > nations, and will expire in 2012. "The question is how are we going to > reduce these gases," says Daniel. "We need to bridge that gap between > science and policy." > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >?? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From tnetcenter at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 10:25:49 2009 From: tnetcenter at gmail.com (Jeff Moore) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:25:49 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? References: <4A9804A0.6050209@hawkfeather.com> Message-ID: I use gmail also. but I download to Outlook Express and use that as my client -- NO problems seeing the messages. Jeff Moore BORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew MacMillen" To: "Greg Clark" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? I didn't see your content either. The list is setup to convert HTML email into text, and something's screwy with it's MIME sections. Andrew. PS: you can view source on any of the 'blank' emails to see the converted text. Greg Clark wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Christopher Guenther > < mailto:guentherchristopher at gmail.com guentherchristopher at gmail.com > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From dmrandall at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 10:42:31 2009 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:42:31 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? In-Reply-To: References: <4A9804A0.6050209@hawkfeather.com> Message-ID: <6bc920e40908281042g21952bb9j4fdadffdc352b0f4@mail.gmail.com> Pointer to the original Federal Register containing the FAA rules updates. http://www.nar.org/pdf/FAA%20Final%20Rule.pdf Dave On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Jeff Moore wrote: > I use gmail also. but I download to Outlook Express and use that as my > client -- NO problems seeing the messages. > > Jeff Moore > BORG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew MacMillen" > To: "Greg Clark" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? > > > I didn't see your content either. The list is setup to convert HTML > email into text, and something's screwy with it's MIME sections. > > Andrew. > > PS: you can view source on any of the 'blank' emails to see the > converted text. > > Greg Clark wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Christopher Guenther >> < mailto:guentherchristopher at gmail.com guentherchristopher at gmail.com >> wrote: >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From greg at blastzone.com Fri Aug 28 11:01:55 2009 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:01:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] html email Message-ID: <06ab01ca2809$a17979f0$e46c6dd0$@com> Can I get a test from a gmail user, I've turned off the html filtering that was bashing up messages. From dmrandall at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 11:11:15 2009 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:11:15 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] test mail from gmail account Message-ID: <6bc920e40908281111w10f38d9n2c6261a7e1354cdb@mail.gmail.com> Sent to the list, sent directly to Greg. Using web browser for composing mail, set in "plain text" formatting. -- - Dave From dmrandall at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 11:11:44 2009 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:11:44 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Second test mail from gmail account Message-ID: <6bc920e40908281111h68af687dr9466c3cbe21cc366@mail.gmail.com> Sent to the list, sent directly to Greg. Using web browser for composing mail, set in "rich formatting" formatting. -- - Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20090828/c05a51e1/attachment.htm From greg at blastzone.com Fri Aug 28 11:22:28 2009 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:22:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] test In-Reply-To: <06b801ca280c$12be9940$383bcbc0$@com> References: <06b801ca280c$12be9940$383bcbc0$@com> Message-ID: <06c601ca280c$801eef30$805ccd90$@com> And again test From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Deputy Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:19 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] test Sorry for all the noise today, sending my own test From greg at blastzone.com Fri Aug 28 11:23:55 2009 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:23:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] test In-Reply-To: <06c601ca280c$801eef30$805ccd90$@com> References: <06b801ca280c$12be9940$383bcbc0$@com> <06c601ca280c$801eef30$805ccd90$@com> Message-ID: <06cb01ca280c$b3fe0c50$1bfa24f0$@com> OK, I'm done testing. I've turned off the filter that was breaking html messages, and turned on the filter for html in just the list server. This should be working. If I can get a message to the list from a gmail user, and someone who used to get blank messages to confirm/deny its working for them that would be great. > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of Greg Deputy > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:22 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] test > > And again > > > > test > > > > > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Greg Deputy > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:19 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] test > > > > Sorry for all the noise today, sending my own test > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 11:52:17 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:52:17 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Greg Deputy test from a Gmail Message-ID: Test for a Gmail From sales at pvconly.com Fri Aug 28 11:53:46 2009 From: sales at pvconly.com (sales at pvconly.com) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] test In-Reply-To: <06b801ca280c$12be9940$383bcbc0$@com> Message-ID: <958017.79769.qm@web1216.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Crap! I forgot to study! --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Greg Deputy wrote: From: Greg Deputy Subject: [RocketsNW] test To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 11:19 AM Sorry for all the noise today, sending my own test ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From glech at aol.com Fri Aug 28 11:55:53 2009 From: glech at aol.com (Gary Lech) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:55:53 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] Greg Deputy test from a Gmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBF6284DADA37D-35B8-1B98@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> Looks like you fixed it. I was having the same trouble using the AOL web client. Cheers from ~ Gary -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Guenther To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 11:52 am Subject: [RocketsNW] Greg Deputy test from a Gmail Test for a Gmail _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From tom.walsh at intel.com Fri Aug 28 11:57:53 2009 From: tom.walsh at intel.com (Walsh, Tom) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:57:53 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? In-Reply-To: References: <4A9804A0.6050209@hawkfeather.com> Message-ID: You(all) can also configure (if you use outlook) your mail client to "read all email as plain text", in which case no amount of html bashing hurts - bring it on. t -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:50 AM To: Andrew MacMillen Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? AH -- OK -- view source -- there it is. I see it now. Thanks! On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Andrew MacMillen wrote: > I didn't see your content either. The list is setup to convert HTML email > into text, and something's screwy with it's MIME sections. > > Andrew. > > PS: you can view source on any of the 'blank' emails to see the converted > text. > > Greg Clark wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Christopher Guenther >> < mailto:guentherchristopher at gmail.com guentherchristopher at gmail.com >> wrote: >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > From bigredbee at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 12:26:35 2009 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:26:35 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] one more test for Adrian: Message-ID: *THIS* is the secret message. -- Greg From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 14:05:27 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:05:27 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motors for sale at Sheridan Launch? Message-ID: I am would like to know if there will be anyone selling motor reloads at the Sheridan launch? I am going to be in need of 29mm H128W and a veriety of F&G reloads as well as A-E single use. From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 15:30:05 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:30:05 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motors for sale at Sheridan Launch? References: Message-ID: <8DEDAA3452A7464096A51F26AC7E6B9D@LaptopKrausert> Yes. Sunriver will be onsite selling motors and much more. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Guenther" To: Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:05 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Motors for sale at Sheridan Launch? >I am would like to know if there will be anyone selling motor reloads at >the > Sheridan launch? I am going to be in need of 29mm H128W and a veriety of > F&G reloads as well as A-E single use. > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 16:49:04 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:49:04 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Update; OROC Sheridan Launch Sept 12th/13th Announcement Message-ID: <3226400053EC4120BDD00679EC26F159@LaptopKrausert> Attention, OregonRocketry on September 12th and 13th 2009 will be hosting the Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon. This is one of OregonRocketry's largest and most popular launches of the year. This launch is close to the Portland area and the field is great for flying rockets. This launch is for commercial motors only, no research motors. Saturday's launch time is 8:00am to 10:00pm. Sunday's launch time is 8:00am to 3:00pm. We certainly hope you can join us for a great weekend of flying rockets and much much more. Have you ever been to a Sheridan launch? Join us again. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the event and show them first hand how much fun model, sport and high power rocketry is for everyone. If you've never been to a Sheridan launch, join us for a weekend of great fun. Launch fees for non-members and their families are $10.00 per day or $15.00 for the weekend. There is no charge for spectators. Please review and understand the OregonRocketry range policies at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc-launch.htm. OregonRocketry's launch schedule is located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-launch.htm Directions to the launch site at Sheridan are located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-sher.htm We are just two weeks from the event and reminding everyone of the event. Ground support transportation has been arranged, thank you Joe Bevier for hauling the trailer for this event. Similar to other launch events we look for OROC members to participate in various responsibilities to ensure we all can enjoy the weekend of rocketry. Setup: The OROC trailer will be arriving on either Thursday afternoon or Friday. Anyone planning to be there on Friday mid-day, we are hoping you can help with setup. If are planning to arrive on Friday and are willing to help with the setup of the ground support equipment; please email me off list. Teardown: On Sunday beginning at 3:00pm, we are going to need some people to help teardown the equipment and pack the trailer. If you plan to be there Sunday afternoon and willing to offer assistance with teardown, please email me off list. LCO (Launch Control Officer): We will be asking for members to help with covering the LCO duties. We'll have a sign-up form at the LCO table for contributing to this task. Assignments can be as short as one hour. We certainly do not want to prevent you from flying and having a great time. We all want that. Your assistance will help so that everyone has the opporuntity to fly and have fun. LCO appointments only require a TRA (Tripoli) or NAR (National Association of Rocketry) membership holding a L1 certification or higher. Never been an LCO ? It only takes a few minutes for training and rules. RSO (Range Safety Officer): We will be asking the members to help with covering the RSO duties. This year we're going to locate the RSO table across the spectator area from the flight line. This will permit the LCO to only be required to focus on the range activities. Because of the number of flights we're expecting at the Sheridan launch event, we are asking we keep an RSO active at all times. RSO coverage requires you to be an active member of NAR or TRA and be a L2 certified flyer or higher. Instruction to become an RSO will take only a short period of instruction and is required. Several things to look for when evaluating rockets. Same as the LCO duties, a sign-up sheet will be available beginning Saturday morning at the Registration table. Launch meetings: At 9:30 the OROC BoD will be hosting a brief flyers meeting. This meeting will discuss the rules and guidelines of this particular launch, land owner requirements, OROC rules / safety, and other business. Waiver opens at 8:00am, so flying begins at 8:00am. You do not need to wait after the flyers meeting to fly rockets. Flights can begin as soon as the waiver is officially open. Wristbands: Everyone present, flyers and spectators a like, are required to be wearing a wristband. They can be picked up at the Registration table located next to the RSO table. When you recieve your wristband you'll entered into a drawing. Throughout the day, we'll be drawing numbers. Each wristband has a number and you might just win a prize. So get your wristbands for your family and good luck. At Brothers in June the Grand Prize was a Binder Design Thug and 29mm motor case and a G64 reload. Not bad. So come on out and you might just win some cool stuff. Flyers and spectators can win. Must be present to win. Folks under 18 years of age wining motors must be accompanied by an adult to claim the prize. Spectator area: There will be a 40 feet section between the flightline and parking area. Flags and marked poles will be up to mark off this area. No easy-ups, vehicles, or trailers allowed in this area. Only chairs are allowed. This will also serve as the corridor for walking. Plus will provide the LCO clear line of sight up and down the flightline and spectator area. Waiver for the weekend: The Sheridan launch will have a waiver of 5,300 feet AGL (Above Ground Level). You are welcome to fly any rocket with impulse rating of 1/4A and above. Rockets with impulse rating H and I will require that you have estimated the altitude with the motor in your rocket. Providing simulation data that demonstrates that your rocket will remain below 5,000 feet will be greatly appreciated. J impulse and above will require simulation paperwork. There are many altitude prediction tools available both on the web and as software (such as RocSim). Anyone planning an L1 or L2 certification will be required to show predicted altitude of the rocket. Minimum diameter HP rockets H or above, the RSO will ask how high. Lets play it safe everyone. Anything expected to exceed 4500 feet - bring simulation paperwork. Lets keep the RSO happy. An unhappy RSO is about like having your high school principal remembering you by name. HAM Shack: This year we'll have a amateur radio station hosting 2 meters and maybe an HF station. If you're an amateur radio operator we'll be using frequency 146.600 MHz simplex during the event. Need help finding the site? Need help recovering a rocket? We'll be listening on 146.600 MHz. No tone. No offset. If you've been curious of amateur radio and want to try it out, stop by the shack and talk 3rd party while a licensed HAM is with you. Bring the kids too. Fun stuff... Who knows. You may get hooked and soon learn what a VEC is and why you need three to complete something. Site Permission Update (READ): We use farm land for this event and for many years the landowners have graciously allowed us the use. We do however require seeking permission each year as their crop choices may restrict use some years. This year they grew Wheat and rumor has it that harvest was completed. At this time we do not have confirmed with permission. We are not certain of use, allowing camping, etc. The club member that gets permission should know any day and if any restrictions exist. Because this year it was Wheat, fire hazard is increased. Right now everything appears to be a go and same as last year. OregonRocketry will update you as soon as we get confirmation. For now, start getting ready and plan that this event is a go. We at OregonRocketry hope you can join us for what should be a very exciting weekend of model, sport and high power rocketry. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the launch so they can experience the fun and excitement. Everyone at the launch will be required to have a "OregonRocketry 2009" wristband. Flyers and spectators are required to wear a wristband. More details about the Sheridan launch will be discussed during the next monthly meeting. The next OregonRocketry meeting is September 3rd 2009. Dinner/social gathering at 6:30pm ish and general meeting at 7:30pm at Giovanni's in Beaverton. Giovanni's is located at 12390 SW Broadway (corner of Broadway and Hall blvd) in downtown Beaverton 97005. OregonRocketry meetings are open to the public. NAR, TRA, or OregonRocketry membership is encouraged, but not required to attend a meeting. Remember; Adventures in model, sport and amateur rocketry begins here with OregonRocketry. We'll see you at the launch. September 12th and 13th 2009. Cheers, Robert OROC President From absworld at cet.com Fri Aug 28 17:02:00 2009 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:02:00 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS 2009 Message-ID: <010201ca283b$f2280150$d67803f0$@com> After beginning to think I threw 25 bucks away back around Memorial Day, I just got the chance to revisit FITS 2009 thanks to Kent Newman's DVD. When the intro didn't have a single launch in it, I was reminded of the overall party that the weekend really was. Mercifully, the final boost of my CouldBL3 came early on. After 15 replays (in slow motion), I moved on and immediately felt better. The birdhole shot from U4EA shows a fun perspective of what it's like when a rocket is spittin but just sittin till getting a strong kick in the rear. Anyone who has not 'met' KATE personally, can get a feel of what it's like to hear her in person. I can only wonder what Vern Knowles will come up with next. Some pholks poke phun at other pholks phor phussing with hybrids. I say they like and appreciate the PPPFFFfutz factor. Andrew Macmillan's L3 flight was phantastic. I nice mix of launches and interviews with a few quirks thrown in rounds out the 4 day review. Even if it's just to remember that Mansfield can have 4+ days - a few killer dust devils of mostly incredible rocket weather, this is a phun phiphty minute plus DVD. I'm glad I have a copy in my library. Bob Yanecek From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 17:04:56 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:04:56 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Hybrid rocket fliers causing ozone layer depletion and global warming (sky is falling alert!) References: <4A97F409.2020102@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <35871339E2CF47C0AB4CD75CD2F2389F@LaptopKrausert> Listened to a radio show on OPB radio this morning regarding N2O and the ozone layer. Our blessed hobby wasn't mentioned. But one area did come up, and that was the use by our beloved dentists, laughing gas. They stated the amount used is so low that N2O will still be available for our dentists. Yay!!! I like that stuff. If they're going to drill, either put me out or put me on gas. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: [RocketsNW] Hybrid rocket fliers causing ozone layer depletion and global warming (sky is falling alert!) >I love the smell of future bureaucratic regulation in the morning. > Looks like hybrid fliers won't be immune from the Mandarins either. > Guess its time to go back to old stand-by - water rockets. ;) > > Robert > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090828/hl_time/08599191913900 > > Laughing Gas: The Latest Threat to the Ozone Layer > > (excerpt) > But even with that battle all but won, scientists are finding a new > man-made threat to the ozone layer: nitrous oxide (N2O), otherwise known > as laughing gas. A study published in the Aug. 28 Science found that N2O > - a by-product of agricultural fertilizer and a number of other > industrial processes - is now the biggest ozone-depleting gas in the > air, and could present a real threat to the ozone layer in coming > decades. And worse, unlike CFCs, N2O - which also adds to global warming > - is not regulated by the Montreal Protocol, meaning there is no global > effort to try to reduce emissions. > > The idea that N2O poses a threat to the ozone layer is not new, but the > Science study is the first comprehensive look at the exact > concentrations and consequences of the gas. The investigators found that > although N2O is only one-sixtieth as dangerous to the ozone layer as > CFCs on a gram-by-gram basis, the sheer amount of N2O - each year nearly > 1 billion metric tons of CO2 equivalent are released globally - means > that it now poses a more significant threat to the atmosphere. (N2O > emissions are calculated in terms of their impact on global warming, and > CO2 is used as a kind of base level.) > > While CFCs had a relatively narrow range of uses - and chemical > companies like DuPont were able to come up with replacements quickly - > N2O is all around us, tied intimately to our industrial way of life. The > millions of tons of soil fertilizer used in U.S. agriculture alone add > N2O into the atmosphere, as do livestock manure, sewage treatment and > automobiles. And it's not just our doing: two-thirds of global N2O > emissions come from the planet itself, as bacteria in soil and the > oceans break down nitrogen. Though N2O is regulated by the Kyoto > Protocol of 1997 as a greenhouse gas - and one that is nearly 300 times > more potent for global warming than CO2 - that treaty doesn't cover all > nations, and will expire in 2012. "The question is how are we going to > reduce these gases," says Daniel. "We need to bridge that gap between > science and policy." > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From vern_knowles at att.net Fri Aug 28 20:38:06 2009 From: vern_knowles at att.net (Vern Knowles) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:38:06 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007c01ca285a$1f8862c0$0400a8c0@MainPC> Hi Christopher, That caught my attention. I'm always on the look out for new and better launch sites. Is your family farm large enough for holding club launches? If so, what county is it in? Vern Knowles www.vernk.com > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of > Christopher Guenther > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:06 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? > > What do you have to do to Launch HPR's on your own? I have a > Family farm in > Easter Washington with more than enough room to Launch High > Powers. What do > you have to do to keep everything legal? > From kstormo at moscow.com Fri Aug 28 21:47:28 2009 From: kstormo at moscow.com (Keith and Mary Stormo) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:47:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0KP400E38FZ3LB83@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi Christopher, It can be done. We just recently got approval and a waiver for both class 2 and class 3 launches tethered and untethered (provided we stay below 600 feet 8^). It was not as bad as I thought it would be and did not take much more than 2 months after the official paperwork was in. Our test site is in Whitman county on the far east side of Washington. I would be happy to relate our experience or discuss the process. The biggest issue was getting approval to reduce the 1500 ft cited in 101.25 b 7II for tethered tests. Keith At 09:05 AM 8/28/2009, Christopher Guenther wrote: >What do you have to do to Launch HPR's on your own? I have a Family farm in >Easter Washington with more than enough room to Launch High Powers. What do >you have to do to keep everything legal? > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockets mailing list >Rockets at rocketsnw.com >http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Fri Aug 28 23:48:49 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And Greg's reply didn't show up either. ;-) I believe it has to do with a lot of us keeping our email HTML-disabled for safety. +McG+ > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Christopher Guenther > < mailto:guentherchristopher at gmail.com guentherchristopher at gmail.com >> > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > ? > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Fri Aug 28 23:53:44 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Greg Deputy test from a Gmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3776b178c8e754c443d0b55a652666f7.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> This one came through for me. Darn nuisance having to look at the source code. +McG+ > Test for a Gmail > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Fri Aug 28 23:57:20 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] one more test for Adrian: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > *THIS* is the secret message. > -- Greg If that's the secret message, it isn't secret. But if you used the old trick of white font on white background, it's still a secret to me. :-) +McG+ From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sat Aug 29 00:23:30 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Launching HPR's on your own? In-Reply-To: <0KP400E38FZ3LB83@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KP400E38FZ3LB83@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Yeah it's not bad getting a waiver. I had a waiver for our farm here a few years ago. My biggest headache was the requirement for constant phone contact capability. Cell phones have very spotty coverage and the launch site was out of range for a cordless phone. I was surprised that I got a waiver at all since we're right under a well used air traffic lane. But controlled airspace here starts at 700' AGL and I only wanted a waiver to 1500' AGL. Virtually all the air traffic is at least 5000' here. Talk to whomever does the waiver for your local club for advice. Makes things go a lot smoother. +McG+ > Hi Christopher, > > It can be done. We just recently got approval and a waiver for both > class 2 and class 3 launches tethered and untethered (provided we > stay below 600 feet 8^). It was not as bad as I thought it would be > and did not take much more than 2 months after the official paperwork > was in. Our test site is in Whitman county on the far east side of > Washington. > > I would be happy to relate our experience or discuss the > process. The biggest issue was getting approval to reduce the 1500 > ft cited in 101.25 b 7II for tethered tests. > > Keith > > > > At 09:05 AM 8/28/2009, Christopher Guenther wrote: >>What do you have to do to Launch HPR's on your own? I have a Family farm >> in >>Easter Washington with more than enough room to Launch High Powers. What >> do >>you have to do to keep everything legal? >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockets mailing list >>Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Sat Aug 29 11:41:28 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:41:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] HPR large scale space shuttle? Message-ID: I am interested in building one but can not seem to be able to find a kit out there. I want launch and function just like the real thing. Any Ideas? From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Sat Aug 29 13:46:15 2009 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:46:15 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] HPR large scale space shuttle? References: Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A10B30026B@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Sheri's Hot Rockets: http://www.cjsaviation.com/ Peter Schurke Science and Engineering Teacher, Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School 1819 N 135th St. Seattle, WA 98133 ________________________________ From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Christopher Guenther Sent: Sat 8/29/2009 11:41 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] HPR large scale space shuttle? I am interested in building one but can not seem to be able to find a kit out there. I want launch and function just like the real thing. Any Ideas? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From rocfish74 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 29 15:57:32 2009 From: rocfish74 at hotmail.com (Mark Lyons) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:57:32 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] HPR large scale space shuttle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Check out George Gassaway's site. He's built a very impressive model. > Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:41:28 -0700 > From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] HPR large scale space shuttle? > > I am interested in building one but can not seem to be able to find a kit > out there. I want launch and function just like the real thing. Any Ideas? > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery From sb at berfield.com Sat Aug 29 20:02:51 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:02:51 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] HPR large scale space shuttle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FBDA239-C40D-4FDE-85C5-9550118A040D@berfield.com> There was a gorgeous shuttle at XPRS a couple of years ago. I don't remember who made it, but it was something like 3 grand. Sent from my iPod On Aug 29, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Mark Lyons wrote: > > Check out George Gassaway's site. He's built a very impressive model. > >> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:41:28 -0700 >> From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: [RocketsNW] HPR large scale space shuttle? >> >> I am interested in building one but can not seem to be able to find >> a kit >> out there. I want launch and function just like the real thing. Any >> Ideas? >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. > http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sat Aug 29 20:22:31 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:22:31 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Update 2; OROC Sheridan Launch Sept 12th/13th Announcement Message-ID: <18ACDF7DF2E041BE8A9D6410A1D9A702@LaptopKrausert> Folks, I'll send you all a formal reminder. But we are cleared for the launch. No restrictions beyond the norm. We will certainly as a group be extra aware on the wheat stubs. Again, I'll send a formal notice shortly. Just wanted to share the great news. Friday arrivals are approved. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: rockets at rocketsnw.com ; members at oregonrocketry.org ; scfarmlass Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 4:49 PM Subject: Update; OROC Sheridan Launch Sept 12th/13th Announcement Attention, OregonRocketry on September 12th and 13th 2009 will be hosting the Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon. This is one of OregonRocketry's largest and most popular launches of the year. This launch is close to the Portland area and the field is great for flying rockets. This launch is for commercial motors only, no research motors. Saturday's launch time is 8:00am to 10:00pm. Sunday's launch time is 8:00am to 3:00pm. We certainly hope you can join us for a great weekend of flying rockets and much much more. Have you ever been to a Sheridan launch? Join us again. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the event and show them first hand how much fun model, sport and high power rocketry is for everyone. If you've never been to a Sheridan launch, join us for a weekend of great fun. Launch fees for non-members and their families are $10.00 per day or $15.00 for the weekend. There is no charge for spectators. Please review and understand the OregonRocketry range policies at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc-launch.htm. OregonRocketry's launch schedule is located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-launch.htm Directions to the launch site at Sheridan are located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-sher.htm We are just two weeks from the event and reminding everyone of the event. Ground support transportation has been arranged, thank you Joe Bevier for hauling the trailer for this event. Similar to other launch events we look for OROC members to participate in various responsibilities to ensure we all can enjoy the weekend of rocketry. Setup: The OROC trailer will be arriving on either Thursday afternoon or Friday. Anyone planning to be there on Friday mid-day, we are hoping you can help with setup. If are planning to arrive on Friday and are willing to help with the setup of the ground support equipment; please email me off list. Teardown: On Sunday beginning at 3:00pm, we are going to need some people to help teardown the equipment and pack the trailer. If you plan to be there Sunday afternoon and willing to offer assistance with teardown, please email me off list. LCO (Launch Control Officer): We will be asking for members to help with covering the LCO duties. We'll have a sign-up form at the LCO table for contributing to this task. Assignments can be as short as one hour. We certainly do not want to prevent you from flying and having a great time. We all want that. Your assistance will help so that everyone has the opporuntity to fly and have fun. LCO appointments only require a TRA (Tripoli) or NAR (National Association of Rocketry) membership holding a L1 certification or higher. Never been an LCO ? It only takes a few minutes for training and rules. RSO (Range Safety Officer): We will be asking the members to help with covering the RSO duties. This year we're going to locate the RSO table across the spectator area from the flight line. This will permit the LCO to only be required to focus on the range activities. Because of the number of flights we're expecting at the Sheridan launch event, we are asking we keep an RSO active at all times. RSO coverage requires you to be an active member of NAR or TRA and be a L2 certified flyer or higher. Instruction to become an RSO will take only a short period of instruction and is required. Several things to look for when evaluating rockets. Same as the LCO duties, a sign-up sheet will be available beginning Saturday morning at the Registration table. Launch meetings: At 9:30 the OROC BoD will be hosting a brief flyers meeting. This meeting will discuss the rules and guidelines of this particular launch, land owner requirements, OROC rules / safety, and other business. Waiver opens at 8:00am, so flying begins at 8:00am. You do not need to wait after the flyers meeting to fly rockets. Flights can begin as soon as the waiver is officially open. Wristbands: Everyone present, flyers and spectators a like, are required to be wearing a wristband. They can be picked up at the Registration table located next to the RSO table. When you recieve your wristband you'll entered into a drawing. Throughout the day, we'll be drawing numbers. Each wristband has a number and you might just win a prize. So get your wristbands for your family and good luck. At Brothers in June the Grand Prize was a Binder Design Thug and 29mm motor case and a G64 reload. Not bad. So come on out and you might just win some cool stuff. Flyers and spectators can win. Must be present to win. Folks under 18 years of age wining motors must be accompanied by an adult to claim the prize. Spectator area: There will be a 40 feet section between the flightline and parking area. Flags and marked poles will be up to mark off this area. No easy-ups, vehicles, or trailers allowed in this area. Only chairs are allowed. This will also serve as the corridor for walking. Plus will provide the LCO clear line of sight up and down the flightline and spectator area. Waiver for the weekend: The Sheridan launch will have a waiver of 5,300 feet AGL (Above Ground Level). You are welcome to fly any rocket with impulse rating of 1/4A and above. Rockets with impulse rating H and I will require that you have estimated the altitude with the motor in your rocket. Providing simulation data that demonstrates that your rocket will remain below 5,000 feet will be greatly appreciated. J impulse and above will require simulation paperwork. There are many altitude prediction tools available both on the web and as software (such as RocSim). Anyone planning an L1 or L2 certification will be required to show predicted altitude of the rocket. Minimum diameter HP rockets H or above, the RSO will ask how high. Lets play it safe everyone. Anything expected to exceed 4500 feet - bring simulation paperwork. Lets keep the RSO happy. An unhappy RSO is about like having your high school principal remembering you by name. HAM Shack: This year we'll have a amateur radio station hosting 2 meters and maybe an HF station. If you're an amateur radio operator we'll be using frequency 146.600 MHz simplex during the event. Need help finding the site? Need help recovering a rocket? We'll be listening on 146.600 MHz. No tone. No offset. If you've been curious of amateur radio and want to try it out, stop by the shack and talk 3rd party while a licensed HAM is with you. Bring the kids too. Fun stuff... Who knows. You may get hooked and soon learn what a VEC is and why you need three to complete something. Site Permission Update (READ): We use farm land for this event and for many years the landowners have graciously allowed us the use. We do however require seeking permission each year as their crop choices may restrict use some years. This year they grew Wheat and rumor has it that harvest was completed. At this time we do not have confirmed with permission. We are not certain of use, allowing camping, etc. The club member that gets permission should know any day and if any restrictions exist. Because this year it was Wheat, fire hazard is increased. Right now everything appears to be a go and same as last year. OregonRocketry will update you as soon as we get confirmation. For now, start getting ready and plan that this event is a go. We at OregonRocketry hope you can join us for what should be a very exciting weekend of model, sport and high power rocketry. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the launch so they can experience the fun and excitement. Everyone at the launch will be required to have a "OregonRocketry 2009" wristband. Flyers and spectators are required to wear a wristband. More details about the Sheridan launch will be discussed during the next monthly meeting. The next OregonRocketry meeting is September 3rd 2009. Dinner/social gathering at 6:30pm ish and general meeting at 7:30pm at Giovanni's in Beaverton. Giovanni's is located at 12390 SW Broadway (corner of Broadway and Hall blvd) in downtown Beaverton 97005. OregonRocketry meetings are open to the public. NAR, TRA, or OregonRocketry membership is encouraged, but not required to attend a meeting. Remember; Adventures in model, sport and amateur rocketry begins here with OregonRocketry. We'll see you at the launch. September 12th and 13th 2009. Cheers, Robert OROC President From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Sat Aug 29 23:24:18 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:24:18 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Call in windows? Message-ID: If you have 18500 AGL with call in windows to 35000 what does that mean? I understand AGL but not the rest. From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 29 23:45:35 2009 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (Steve Cutonilli) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:45:35 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Call in windows? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3DC2EB9686364390B038D26FC2C71F33@steve> It means that the "high-waiver" is requested on-site with constraints on useable time. I you are flying commercial motors you can likely be approved for the entire 35k if you have demonstrated competency - I don't think this is FAA's call, but a decision the launch director / RSO make. Experimental flyers are limited to 75% of such ceiling. Example: Mike's 38mm Q motor might be approved by the acting OROC launch director, but Mike is apt to reconsider because it will break the 26K AGL. /Steve -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Guenther Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:24 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Call in windows? If you have 18500 AGL with call in windows to 35000 what does that mean? I understand AGL but not the rest. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Aug 30 05:26:59 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 05:26:59 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] HPR large scale space shuttle? In-Reply-To: <3FBDA239-C40D-4FDE-85C5-9550118A040D@berfield.com> References: <3FBDA239-C40D-4FDE-85C5-9550118A040D@berfield.com> Message-ID: <4A9A7013.4040400@earthlink.net> Andy Woerner did that Shuttle project. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQRl37aI1yk Robert Scott Berfield wrote: > There was a gorgeous shuttle at XPRS a couple of years ago. I don't > remember who made it, but it was something like 3 grand. > > Sent from my iPod > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Mark Lyons wrote: > >> >> Check out George Gassaway's site. He's built a very impressive model. >> >>> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:41:28 -0700 >>> From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com >>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> Subject: [RocketsNW] HPR large scale space shuttle? >>> >>> I am interested in building one but can not seem to be able to find >>> a kit >>> out there. I want launch and function just like the real thing. Any >>> Ideas? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >> http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From sales at pvconly.com Sun Aug 30 07:02:47 2009 From: sales at pvconly.com (sales at pvconly.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Call in windows? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <647314.74250.qm@web1201.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Not want to take this to far as a tangent. Occasionally, the control tower for the Brothers site has opened the waiver out to 44,000 feet. This occurred on the last EX flight I attended. ? Now keep in mind that this does not give a green light to spontaneously launching to that height (there is a submission process for high altitude flight above the waiver) but is does occur. --- On Sat, 8/29/09, Christopher Guenther wrote: From: Christopher Guenther Subject: [RocketsNW] Call in windows? To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 11:24 PM If you have 18500 AGL with call in windows to 35000 what does that mean?? I understand AGL but not the rest. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From sales at pvconly.com Sun Aug 30 07:04:47 2009 From: sales at pvconly.com (sales at pvconly.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] HPR large scale space shuttle? In-Reply-To: <4A9A7013.4040400@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <272305.42885.qm@web1203.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Did Andy leave the hobby? --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Hammer wrote: From: Hammer Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] HPR large scale space shuttle? To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 5:26 AM Andy Woerner did that Shuttle project. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQRl37aI1yk Robert Scott Berfield wrote: > There was a gorgeous shuttle at XPRS? a couple of years ago. I don't remember who made it, but it was something like 3 grand. > > Sent from my iPod > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Mark Lyons wrote: > >> >> Check out George Gassaway's site. He's built a very impressive model. >> >>> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:41:28 -0700 >>> From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com >>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> Subject: [RocketsNW] HPR large scale space shuttle? >>> >>> I am interested in building one but can not seem to be able to find a kit >>> out there. I want launch and function just like the real thing. Any Ideas? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >> http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Aug 30 07:18:58 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:18:58 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] model rocket book Message-ID: <4A9A8A52.3020808@earthlink.net> 50 Model Rocket Projects For The Evil Genius Preview at Google Books. http://books.google.com/books?id=FYyxfCLpqWkC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=boost+glider+hooks&source=bl&ots=Lgk13aF9ga&sig=eoIBlccz1mehj8226iuev5nSPOY&hl=en&ei=lvuWSt-5K4fvlAfRsZCTDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#v=onepage&q=&f=false Amazon sells it for about $16.50. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0071469842?ie=UTF8&redirect=true From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 16:05:28 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:05:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Call in windows? References: Message-ID: <7A6DF2AC57A743A09689E724BD8B5809@LaptopKrausert> Chris, First read the TRA safety code and then the CFR 101.25(b) regulations for class 2 (high power) rockets. That should provide you an understanding and provisions to submit a request for variance or waiver. The "waiver" is a request to waive portions of the regulations. Basically we are asking for a variant to the wrtiien rule. Class 2 rockets to be flown must have such a variance to the 101.25 rules. When you apply, you want to be very clear on your plans. A "Certificate of Waiver" grants you the variance described in it under the "Operations Authorized" section. For OROC, our LCO has become very skilled to make sure the wording doesn't create gaps or grey areas. It is very crlear. And that is why our LCO is stuck with us. ;-) Let me share with you the "Operations Authorization" section as it's written; ==== Activity: Unmanned rocket launch for recreation and research purposes. Altitude: Surface to 25,000 feet mean sea level (MSL). With windows upon request up to 40,000 feet MSL. Launch Site: 2 statue miles (sm) radius of the Deschutes VORTAC (DSD) 116 degrees radial at 39.5 nautical miles (nm). (DSD 116039.5), Latitude 43 degress 47' 36" N, longitude 120 degress 38' 50" W Time and Days: 1600-0600 ST / 1500-0500 DT UTC [0800-2200 local] Every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday as authorized. ==== Above we were authorized (what we requested) is unmanned class 2 rockets to fly to 25,000 ft MSL (Brothers is at 4,500 ft ~ish, so 20,500 AGL). We can call the FAA for a window during the day to increase the altitude limit to 40,000 ft MSL (or 35,500 ft at Brothers). The FAA can say no. But if allowed they'll need at least 30 minutes to adjust air traffic and update the NOTEM. And the window shall only be grant from a small segment of the day. Like 1 to 2 hours. The other thing mentioned above is that the Deschutes VOR is located 39.5 miles away and we are that distance from that specific VOR at 116 degress. Since most planes (commercial mostly) are controlled using GMT or UTC for time, you'll need to declare from when to when. And for Friday through Sunday is what we request for every weekend for one year. You can ask for any day. We do every weekend in the event Team BORG or Team Hard Tail or other members want to hold their own launch outside the OROC schedule. Once you receive your waiver authorization, simply follow the rules for arranging (phone calls) a launch plus opening (phone calls) and closing (phone calls) each day. Hammer (good guy Robert) sent you the link to the CFR registry article. In it contains the information for applications and phone numbers. Trust me, if you have questions the FAA would prefer the phone call versus a gap in an authorization. Hope this helps. When you get your waiver, don't forget us. That is if your family farm can welcome extra flyers. ;-) Remember this one thing. The worst the FAA can say is no. If they do, likely it's because of the application details. Or your farm is too close to a major airport. If that happens, ask the OROC or WAC LCO to review your application. They might have suggestions. The FAA is rare to say no to rocketry. Just keep the request reasonable. You'll likely not get a 100K MSL waiver in Oregon or Washington. Seattle Center folks are nice, but remember to select what is realistic for the area. Also your family farm radius needs to be 1 foot for every four feet you go up. Follow that radius out until you reach the first "uninvolved people." If your farm has a neighbor 1 mile from the launch side then your maximum altitude would be roughly 20,800 feet AGL. Many things. But not all that crazy. Read the safety code and 101.25 guidelines. And hope you invite us out. By all means follow the FAA rules and the national clubs safety code, and maintain your NAR or TRA membership. The insurance is null and void if any are missed or abused. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Guenther" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:24 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Call in windows? > If you have 18500 AGL with call in windows to 35000 what does that mean? > I > understand AGL but not the rest. > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From Sales at pvconly.com Sun Aug 30 19:31:35 2009 From: Sales at pvconly.com (Sam Grado www.pvconly.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP Message-ID: <870810.16054.qm@web1201.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Is there anyone on this forum working with processing surfactants in their APCP formulations? From bigredbee at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 20:00:42 2009 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:00:42 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Waiver for balloon launches Message-ID: Just as a comparison -- check out the hoops the balloon guys have to jump through -- we've got it easy ;) http://eoss.org/faa/documents/FAA_Waiver_2009.pdf -- Greg From greg at blastzone.com Sun Aug 30 20:27:54 2009 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:27:54 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP In-Reply-To: <870810.16054.qm@web1201.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <870810.16054.qm@web1201.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <069401ca29eb$079689c0$16c39d40$@com> Besides lecithin? I've tried a couple but didn't measure any noticeable differences. > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of Sam Grado www.pvconly.com > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:32 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP > > Is there anyone on this forum working with processing surfactants in their > APCP formulations? > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From sb at berfield.com Sun Aug 30 21:45:55 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:45:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Parrot altimeters Message-ID: <20872EFC-9F9B-420C-8D25-689863500B9B@berfield.com> Anyone tried the Parrot altimeter? Sent from my iPod From Mfreptiles at aol.com Sun Aug 30 22:19:14 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:19:14 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Parrot altimeters Message-ID: Yes. The 38mm L utilized the 250g version. Mike F. In a message dated 8/30/2009 9:46:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sb at berfield.com writes: Anyone tried the Parrot altimeter? Sent from my iPod _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 22:34:43 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:34:43 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Parrot altimeters References: Message-ID: Mike? What about the 38mm Q? LOL Cheers,' Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Parrot altimeters > Yes. The 38mm L utilized the 250g version. > > Mike F. > > > In a message dated 8/30/2009 9:46:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > sb at berfield.com writes: > > Anyone tried the Parrot altimeter? > > Sent from my iPod > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sun Aug 30 23:52:37 2009 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] model rocket book In-Reply-To: <4A9A8A52.3020808@earthlink.net> References: <4A9A8A52.3020808@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Looks like a decent beginner to mid-level model rocketry book. But any real 'evil genius' boy scientist would be compelled to combined elements from all the "evil genius" series of books... Evil geniuses are *never* content to just follow the instructions! Jack Spicer is still the paramount evil boy genius. LOL (Stop playing with the moon, Jack. It's not a toy!) +McG+ > 50 Model Rocket Projects For The Evil Genius > > Preview at Google Books. > http://books.google.com/books?id=FYyxfCLpqWkC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=boost+glider+hooks&source=bl&ots=Lgk13aF9ga&sig=eoIBlccz1mehj8226iuev5nSPOY&hl=en&ei=lvuWSt-5K4fvlAfRsZCTDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#v=onepage&q=&f=false > > Amazon sells it for about $16.50. > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0071469842?ie=UTF8&redirect=true > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com Mon Aug 31 08:56:52 2009 From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:56:52 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have old rockets, projects, kits, supplies, or building materials to get rid of? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E80812201B@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> YES! -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Guenther [mailto:guentherchristopher at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:41 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone have old rockets, projects, kits, supplies,or building materials to get rid of? I am looking for any of the things stated in the title. From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Aug 31 09:23:22 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:23:22 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Parrot altimeters Message-ID: That would be over 170 feet long unless we go nuclear propulsion. Mike F. In a message dated 8/30/2009 10:34:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: Mike? What about the 38mm Q? From stevet19759 at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 09:36:00 2009 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:36:00 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Parrot altimeters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A9BFBF0.3040702@comcast.net> We'd have to get a longer rail, just to keep it from falling over before launch. -ST Mfreptiles at aol.com wrote: > That would be over 170 feet long unless we go nuclear propulsion. > > Mike F. > > > In a message dated 8/30/2009 10:34:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: > > Mike? What about the 38mm Q? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From guentherchristopher at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 09:40:39 2009 From: guentherchristopher at gmail.com (Christopher Guenther) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:40:39 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Parrot altimeters In-Reply-To: <4A9BFBF0.3040702@comcast.net> References: <4A9BFBF0.3040702@comcast.net> Message-ID: 170 foot long motor should have an airframe length of around 510-550 feet long. Are we looking for a moon shot? I want in! :-P Chris On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Steve Tarr wrote: > We'd have to get a longer rail, just to keep it from falling over before > launch. > -ST > > > Mfreptiles at aol.com wrote: > >> That would be over 170 feet long unless we go nuclear propulsion. >> Mike F. >> In a message dated 8/30/2009 10:34:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: >> >> Mike? What about the 38mm Q? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From jhadv at pacifier.com Mon Aug 31 09:45:35 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:45:35 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Parrot Altimeters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090831091415.02883b60@mail.iinet.com> I have both the 70G and the 250 G models. They work well however there are some intricacies. First the FETS are rated at 4.1 A (if memory serves) and I was hopeful that for a pulse they would handle 5 Amps. So I bought some FETS mounted them and tested them. When that manufacturer says 4.1A for 1 Sec, they mean exactly 4.1 A for 1 Sec. 4.5 Amp for a second burned the FET as did 5 Amp for .5 seconds. As a result I had to resist down the battery I use. If you use a standard 9 volt battery this is no problem other than the commercial 9V battery weighs 63 grams and is as big as a house compared to 8 gram battery I use. The problem with the 8 gram battery is that it will throw >6 Amps un-resisted like through a plasma around a burnt bridgewire. The next intricacy is the programing. The Parrot has three outputs and I always use two on the drogue. I want that drogue to deploy. On the only problem flight I have ever had on my latest build, as the rocket was transiting the barrier it started to corkscrew (I still blame the Cessaroni motor for this by the way). The corkscrew in flight disrupted the accelerometer apogee detect (this was the 70G model). The accelerometer detected apogee at 33 seconds past liftoff but actual apogee was 17 seconds after liftoff (the baro was not disrupted by the corkscrew). Fortunately my second drogue circuit was a straight timer which ejected the drogue at 24 seconds (projected apogee + .5 sec had the rocket not lost altitude corkscrewing). The the rocket was falling 240 Fps by the time the timer fired the drogue charge but the drogue handled it and recovery was good other than stress fractures to the body tube around the drogue compartment which have since been repaired. The fins were all there undamaged, unflexed so they did not cause the corkscrew. After that incident I have taken to making one drogue circuit accelerometer based apogee detect and the other drogue circuit baro based apogee detect. Looking over all the parrot flights I had the cumulative flight logs consistently indicate that baro apogee detect fires between .14 and .16 seconds before accelerometer based apogee detect. The only thing about the Parrot I would improve upon is I would add a second greater than time circuit in the programming options. When I suggested this to the manufacturer they indicated that they are working on something that will accommodate that for the next altimeter design. Also I should probably mention that the Parrot is small, lightweight, easy to use, has excellent data logging capability, the logs track ejection circuit continuity, all baro functions, all accelerometer functions and temperature with programmed latches for liftoff, burnout, velocity, altitude, apogee, etc. Very complete flight log information at 200Hz for something like 300 seconds with a flight log that will store 5 flights before it needs to be cleared. Very good altimeter, very reasonably priced. From absworld at cet.com Mon Aug 31 10:26:04 2009 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob & Ann Yanecek) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:26:04 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Parrot Altimeters In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20090831091415.02883b60@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20090831091415.02883b60@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <00cf01ca2a60$2070a280$6151e780$@com> You say 'no problem' for a standard 9 volt battery, but the Duracells that I use typically source 6+ amps. Wouldn't that cause a problem with FET's as you describe? Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:46 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Parrot Altimeters I have both the 70G and the 250 G models. They work well however there are some intricacies. First the FETS are rated at 4.1 A (if memory serves) and I was hopeful that for a pulse they would handle 5 Amps. So I bought some FETS mounted them and tested them. When that manufacturer says 4.1A for 1 Sec, they mean exactly 4.1 A for 1 Sec. 4.5 Amp for a second burned the FET as did 5 Amp for .5 seconds. As a result I had to resist down the battery I use. If you use a standard 9 volt battery this is no problem other than the commercial 9V battery weighs 63 grams and is as big as a house compared to 8 gram battery I use. The problem with the 8 gram battery is that it will throw >6 Amps un-resisted like through a plasma around a burnt bridgewire. The next intricacy is the programing. The Parrot has three outputs and I always use two on the drogue. I want that drogue to deploy. On the only problem flight I have ever had on my latest build, as the rocket was transiting the barrier it started to corkscrew (I still blame the Cessaroni motor for this by the way). The corkscrew in flight disrupted the accelerometer apogee detect (this was the 70G model). The accelerometer detected apogee at 33 seconds past liftoff but actual apogee was 17 seconds after liftoff (the baro was not disrupted by the corkscrew). Fortunatelrubmy second drogue circuit was a straight timer which ejected the drogue at 24 seconds (projected apogee + .5 sec had the rocket not lost altitude corkscrewing). The the rocket was falling 240 Fps by the time the timer fired the drogue charge but the drogue handled it and recovery was good other than stress fractures to the body tube around the drogue compartment which have since been repaired. The fins were all there undamaged, unflexed so they did not cause the corkscrew. After that incident I have taken to making one drogue circuit accelerometer based apogee detect and the other drogue circuit baro based apogee detect. Looking over all the parrot flights I had the cumulative flight logs consistently indicate that baro apogee detect fires between .14 and .16 seconds before accelerometer based apogee detect. The only thing about the Parrot I would improve upon is I would add a second greater than time circuit in the programming options. When I suggested this to the manufacturer they indicated that they are working on something that will accommodate that for the next altimeter design. Also I should probably mention that the Parrot is small, lightweight, easy to use, has excellent data logging capability, the logs track ejection circuit continuity, all baro functions, all accelerometer functions and temperature with programmed latches for liftoff, burnout, velocity, altitude, apogee, etc. Very complete flight log information at 200Hz for something like 300 seconds with a flight log that will store 5 flights before it needs to be cleared. Very good altimeter, very reasonably priced. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Mon Aug 31 14:02:29 2009 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (steve-c at ix.netcom.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:02:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [RocketsNW] Parrot altimeters Message-ID: <14992086.1251752549426.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ah, I knew you could do it and it wasn't just me glazing over some details... -----Original Message----- >From: Mfreptiles at aol.com >Sent: Aug 31, 2009 9:23 AM >To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Parrot altimeters > >That would be over 170 feet long unless we go nuclear propulsion. > >Mike F. > > >In a message dated 8/30/2009 10:34:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: > >Mike? What about the 38mm Q? > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockets mailing list >Rockets at rocketsnw.com >http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From sb at berfield.com Mon Aug 31 14:50:26 2009 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:50:26 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] igniter info Message-ID: A lot of you folks are way beyond this, but in case anyone is interested, I finally wrote up the results of some of my playing around with igniters over the last two years. You can find the doc at http://www.berfield.com/igniters.html Let me know if you see anything egregiously wrong/stupid. From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Mon Aug 31 15:54:39 2009 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (steve-c at ix.netcom.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Parrot Altimeters Message-ID: <28915581.1251759279948.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hey Bob, The transient current capability is a function of heat dissipation (die temp must remain <125 deg-C) and the heat generated is a function of the mosfet's on-resistance (RdsON) AND the circuit's series resistance that sets-up the protective current limit (assuming a robust design using just a 9-Volt source). Not doubting your test methods, but wondering what you are describing is truly an apples-to-apples comparison. /Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Bob & Ann Yanecek >Sent: Aug 31, 2009 10:26 AM >To: 'Paul Bogdanich' , rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Parrot Altimeters > >You say 'no problem' for a standard 9 volt battery, but the Duracells that I >use typically source 6+ amps. >Wouldn't that cause a problem with FET's as you describe? > >Bob Yanecek > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich >Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:46 AM >To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Parrot Altimeters > > I have both the 70G and the 250 G models. They work well however >there >are some intricacies. First the FETS are rated at 4.1 A (if memory >serves) and I was hopeful that for a pulse they would handle 5 Amps. So I >bought some FETS mounted them and tested them. When that manufacturer says >4.1A for 1 Sec, they mean exactly 4.1 A for 1 Sec. 4.5 Amp for a second >burned the FET as did 5 Amp for .5 seconds. As a result I had to resist >down the battery I use. If you use a standard 9 volt battery this is no >problem other than the commercial 9V battery weighs 63 grams and is as big >as a house compared to 8 gram battery I use. The problem with the 8 gram >battery is that it will throw >6 Amps un-resisted like through a plasma >around a burnt bridgewire. > The next intricacy is the programing. The Parrot has three outputs >and I >always use two on the drogue. I want that drogue to deploy. On the only >problem flight I have ever had on my latest build, as the rocket was >transiting the barrier it started to corkscrew (I still blame the Cessaroni >motor for this by the way). The corkscrew in flight disrupted the >accelerometer apogee detect (this was the 70G model). The accelerometer >detected apogee at 33 seconds past liftoff but actual apogee was 17 seconds >after liftoff (the baro was not disrupted by the corkscrew). Fortunatelrubmy second drogue circuit was a straight timer which ejected the drogue at >24 seconds (projected apogee + .5 sec had the rocket not lost altitude >corkscrewing). The the rocket was falling 240 Fps by the time the timer >fired the drogue charge but the drogue handled it and recovery was good >other than stress fractures to the body tube around the drogue compartment >which have since been repaired. The fins were all there undamaged, >unflexed so they did not cause the corkscrew. After that incident I have >taken to making one drogue circuit accelerometer based apogee detect and >the other drogue circuit baro based apogee detect. Looking over all the >parrot flights I had the cumulative flight logs consistently indicate that >baro apogee detect fires between .14 and .16 seconds before accelerometer >based apogee detect. > The only thing about the Parrot I would improve upon is I would add >a >second greater than time circuit in the programming options. When I >suggested this to the manufacturer they indicated that they are working on >something that will accommodate that for the next altimeter design. > Also I should probably mention that the Parrot is small, >lightweight, easy >to use, has excellent data logging capability, the logs track ejection >circuit continuity, all baro functions, all accelerometer functions and >temperature with programmed latches for liftoff, burnout, velocity, >altitude, apogee, etc. Very complete flight log information at 200Hz for >something like 300 seconds with a flight log that will store 5 flights >before it needs to be cleared. Very good altimeter, very reasonably >priced. > >_______________________________________________ >Rockets mailing list >Rockets at rocketsnw.com >http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockets mailing list >Rockets at rocketsnw.com >http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From ghuber at landacorp.com Mon Aug 31 16:19:38 2009 From: ghuber at landacorp.com (Geoff Huber) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:19:38 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP In-Reply-To: <069401ca29eb$079689c0$16c39d40$@com> References: <870810.16054.qm@web1201.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <069401ca29eb$079689c0$16c39d40$@com> Message-ID: I use Triton X-100 -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Deputy Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:28 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP Besides lecithin? I've tried a couple but didn't measure any noticeable differences. > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of Sam Grado www.pvconly.com > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:32 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP > > Is there anyone on this forum working with processing surfactants in > their APCP formulations? > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From sealtee at cableone.net Mon Aug 31 16:57:39 2009 From: sealtee at cableone.net (Cameron Tinder) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:57:39 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... Message-ID: <000f01ca2a96$d2bd1af0$783750d0$@net> We were discussing this one in our home and could not come up with but one, so I put this one out to all of you. What is your favorite rocket or space song and who was it by? All that we could really remember was the David Bowie song "Rocketman" from the 70's. I know that there are others I just can't seem to recall them, can you? Cameron Tinder Still NAR & TRA L1 From glech at aol.com Mon Aug 31 17:15:44 2009 From: glech at aol.com (Gary Lech) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:15:44 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... In-Reply-To: <000f01ca2a96$d2bd1af0$783750d0$@net> References: <000f01ca2a96$d2bd1af0$783750d0$@net> Message-ID: <8CBF8B07B625698-21FC-25A7@webmail-d059.sysops.aol.com> Rocketman by Elton John http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubeMeOJFjFg Cheers from ~ Gary Lech - WA7GL TRA -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Tinder To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:57 pm Subject: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... We were discussing this one in our home and could not come up with but one, so I put this one out to all of you. What is your favorite rocket or space song and who was it by? All that we could really remember was the David Bowie song "Rocketman" from the 70's. I know that there are others I just can't seem to recall them, can you? Cameron Tinder Still NAR & TRA L1 _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 31 17:18:08 2009 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... In-Reply-To: <000f01ca2a96$d2bd1af0$783750d0$@net> References: <000f01ca2a96$d2bd1af0$783750d0$@net> Message-ID: <260161.45976.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Shiny Toy Gun's version of Major Tom. John Hornsby Still TRA L2?? :o) ________________________________ From: Cameron Tinder To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:57:39 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... We were discussing this one in our home and could not come up with but one, so I put this one out to all of you. What is your favorite rocket or space song and who was it by? All that we could really remember was the David Bowie song "Rocketman" from the 70's. I know that there are others I just can't seem to recall them, can you? Cameron Tinder Still NAR & TRA L1 _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bennightfam at hotmail.com Mon Aug 31 17:22:36 2009 From: bennightfam at hotmail.com (C Bennight) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:22:36 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... In-Reply-To: <000f01ca2a96$d2bd1af0$783750d0$@net> References: <000f01ca2a96$d2bd1af0$783750d0$@net> Message-ID: Cameron, I think there was another "Rocketman" by Sir Elton John. The lyrics went something like this: "And I think it's gonna be a long, long time till touchdown brings us round again to find, I'm not the man they think I am at home Oh no no no, I'm a Rocketman." Mike > From: sealtee at cableone.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:57:39 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... > > We were discussing this one in our home and could not come up with but one, > so I put this one out to all of you. > > What is your favorite rocket or space song and who was it by? All that we > could really remember was the David Bowie song "Rocketman" from the 70's. I > know that there are others I just can't seem to recall them, can you? > > > > Cameron Tinder > > Still NAR & TRA L1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Aug 31 18:08:40 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:08:40 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] igniter info Message-ID: Just a few comments from someone who makes a lot of igniters. Mixing the dry chem powders is scary and should not be done, especially since one of them is potassium chlorate. There have been many documented accidents from doing just that. Dark flash is one of the most scary substances you could ever make. I know many pyro references say to diaper the chems together dry, but for igniter use this is not needed, since we use a binder. Even making APCP is magnitudes safer than making igniter/e-match comps. I'd suggest mixing the fuel/metals to the liquid binder before adding oxidizer. If someone got hurt following those instructions, I would not want to own that web page either. There are a lot of irresponsible people out there. Something to think about. Mike F. In a message dated 8/31/2009 2:51:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sb at berfield.com writes: Let me know if you see anything egregiously wrong/stupid. From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 18:54:45 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:54:45 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP References: <870810.16054.qm@web1201.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><069401ca29eb$079689c0$16c39d40$@com> Message-ID: <975D42E822954C55A9CF75C3AB333D74@LaptopKrausert> A box of 12 certainly costs a little more. I also use Triton X-100 only anymore. Switched about two years ago to Triton X-100 and noticed on a long drive I'm getting about 50 to 75 yards further down the fairway. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Huber" To: "Greg Deputy" ; Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP >I use Triton X-100 > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Deputy > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:28 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP > > Besides lecithin? I've tried a couple but didn't measure any noticeable > differences. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On >> Behalf Of Sam Grado www.pvconly.com >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:32 PM >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP >> >> Is there anyone on this forum working with processing surfactants in >> their APCP formulations? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From fred at azinger.com Mon Aug 31 20:02:33 2009 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:02:33 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP In-Reply-To: <975D42E822954C55A9CF75C3AB333D74@LaptopKrausert> References: <870810.16054.qm@web1201.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><069401ca29eb$079689c0$16c39d40$@com> <975D42E822954C55A9CF75C3AB333D74@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <006201ca2ab0$a775db10$f6619130$@com> What, it helped your drive? It was my putting that really improved with Triton ;-) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 6:55 PM To: Geoff Huber; Greg Deputy; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP A box of 12 certainly costs a little more. I also use Triton X-100 only anymore. Switched about two years ago to Triton X-100 and noticed on a long drive I'm getting about 50 to 75 yards further down the fairway. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Huber" To: "Greg Deputy" ; Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP >I use Triton X-100 > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Deputy > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:28 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP > > Besides lecithin? I've tried a couple but didn't measure any noticeable > differences. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On >> Behalf Of Sam Grado www.pvconly.com >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:32 PM >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP >> >> Is there anyone on this forum working with processing surfactants in >> their APCP formulations? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 20:20:12 2009 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:20:12 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP References: <870810.16054.qm@web1201.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><069401ca29eb$079689c0$16c39d40$@com> <975D42E822954C55A9CF75C3AB333D74@LaptopKrausert> <006201ca2ab0$a775db10$f6619130$@com> Message-ID: Maybe Mike Fisher should consider using X-100 in his 170 feet long, 38 mm x 1020 grain Q motor. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Azinger" To: "'Robert Krausert'" ; Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP > What, it helped your drive? > It was my putting that really improved with Triton ;-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Robert Krausert > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 6:55 PM > To: Geoff Huber; Greg Deputy; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP > > A box of 12 certainly costs a little more. I also use Triton X-100 only > anymore. Switched about two years ago to Triton X-100 and noticed on a > long > drive I'm getting about 50 to 75 yards further down the fairway. > > Cheers, > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Huber" > To: "Greg Deputy" ; > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP > > >>I use Triton X-100 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Deputy >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:28 PM >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP >> >> Besides lecithin? I've tried a couple but didn't measure any noticeable >> differences. >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >> On >>> Behalf Of Sam Grado www.pvconly.com >>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:32 PM >>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP >>> >>> Is there anyone on this forum working with processing surfactants in >>> their APCP formulations? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Mon Aug 31 20:26:21 2009 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (steve-c at ix.netcom.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:26:21 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP Message-ID: <4612791.1251775581841.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Huh? I don't believe ANYTHING Robert says anymore. Seems to me he was tormented as a child flying Estes, so now he's getting even with the EX crowd. Bummer Alex wasn't here to see this. Lecithin is cheap and easy to aquire - in certain formulas like SS-Orange, a drop per 500g of silicone oil makes a huger difference. -----Original Message----- >From: Fred Azinger >Sent: Aug 31, 2009 8:02 PM >To: 'Robert Krausert' , rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP > >What, it helped your drive? >It was my putting that really improved with Triton ;-) > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >On Behalf Of Robert Krausert >Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 6:55 PM >To: Geoff Huber; Greg Deputy; rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP > >A box of 12 certainly costs a little more. I also use Triton X-100 only >anymore. Switched about two years ago to Triton X-100 and noticed on a long >drive I'm getting about 50 to 75 yards further down the fairway. > >Cheers, >Robert > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Geoff Huber" >To: "Greg Deputy" ; >Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:19 PM >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP > > >>I use Triton X-100 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Deputy >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:28 PM >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP >> >> Besides lecithin? I've tried a couple but didn't measure any noticeable >> differences. >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >> On >>> Behalf Of Sam Grado www.pvconly.com >>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:32 PM >>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP >>> >>> Is there anyone on this forum working with processing surfactants in >>> their APCP formulations? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > >_______________________________________________ >Rockets mailing list >Rockets at rocketsnw.com >http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockets mailing list >Rockets at rocketsnw.com >http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From jhadv at pacifier.com Mon Aug 31 20:51:26 2009 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Parrot Altimeters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11973.76.105.138.130.1251777086.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> "The transient current capability is a function of heat dissipation (die temp must remain <125 deg-C) and the heat generated is a function of the mosfet's on-resistance (RdsON) AND the circuit's series resistance that sets-up the protective current limit (assuming a robust design using just a 9-Volt source)." Three points: (1) Paul not Bob. (2) I tested the FET off the board isolated. The only cooling it had was the heat dissipation to four .002 copper clad phenolic pads and .010" still air underneath and the still air on the top and the sides. It was not tested to evaluate the heat sink capability of the board, specialized mount or coolant systems. If someone including the manufacturer has additional data, I am unaware of it, and I asked. As to my reasoning for the test methodology, this is flight. Exothermic components get tested isolated and better testing would have been destructive to the altimeters and I can't afford that. In order of priority those two factors should be reversed. (3) I am unfamiliar with the detailed characteristics for commercial 9V batteries. As a functional matter all the literature indicates that the production variance by brand and within certain brands is so large that the only reliable information is the minimum certification. Further, their intended use is inimical to predictable, repeatable pulse capability. Their manufacture is concerned with long slow draws. Powering a little bunny with a base drum for example. I have only tested one once. New, Duracell (Copper Top (TM)) battery and it pulled 4.2A for an instant (<,010 seconds) and then held high threes below 4A for the full second. That battery was, in theory, safe unresisted to the FET. I have never used one for either a bench test or in flight. I don't know. From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Mon Aug 31 21:14:48 2009 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (steve-c at ix.netcom.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:14:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [RocketsNW] Parrot Altimeters Message-ID: <8494066.1251778488186.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> 4th point is mute since Daveyfire went off the market - they always represented the 'who gives a rats-ass when YOU become the variable' alternative and that's where I still am - mitigating risk - I'll probably quit the hobby when I run out . Hey Robert - my head is starting to hurt - luv you too man. -----Original Message----- >From: jhadv at pacifier.com >Sent: Aug 31, 2009 8:51 PM >To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Parrot Altimeters > >"The transient current capability is a function of heat dissipation (die >temp must remain <125 deg-C) and the heat generated is a function of the >mosfet's >on-resistance (RdsON) AND the circuit's series resistance that sets-up the >protective current limit (assuming a robust design using just a 9-Volt >source)." > > >Three points: > >(1) Paul not Bob. > >(2) I tested the FET off the board isolated. The only cooling it had was >the heat dissipation to four .002 copper clad phenolic pads and .010" >still air underneath and the still air on the top and the sides. It was >not tested to evaluate the heat sink capability of the board, specialized >mount or coolant systems. If someone including the manufacturer has >additional data, I am unaware of it, and I asked. As to my reasoning for >the test methodology, this is flight. Exothermic components get tested >isolated and better testing would have been destructive to the altimeters >and I can't afford that. In order of priority those two factors should be >reversed. > >(3) I am unfamiliar with the detailed characteristics for commercial 9V >batteries. As a functional matter all the literature indicates that the >production variance by brand and within certain brands is so large that >the only reliable information is the minimum certification. Further, >their intended use is inimical to predictable, repeatable pulse >capability. Their manufacture is concerned with long slow draws. >Powering a little bunny with a base drum for example. I have only tested >one once. New, Duracell (Copper Top (TM)) battery and it pulled 4.2A for >an instant (<,010 seconds) and then held high threes below 4A for the full >second. That battery was, in theory, safe unresisted to the FET. I have >never used one for either a bench test or in flight. I don't know. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockets mailing list >Rockets at rocketsnw.com >http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Aug 31 21:30:08 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 00:30:08 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP Message-ID: LOL, lecithin would just give me an excuse to up the solids another percent or two to stiffen it back up. Which reminds me, the new high po version of OS use oxamide. I've noticed that the oxamide makes for a softer batch. Anybody else notice this with oxamide? Mike In a message dated 8/31/2009 8:26:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, steve-c at ix.netcom.com writes: Lecithin is cheap and easy to aquire - in certain formulas like SS-Orange, a drop per 500g of silicone oil makes a huger difference. From sealtee at cableone.net Mon Aug 31 21:32:37 2009 From: sealtee at cableone.net (Cameron Tinder) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:32:37 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... In-Reply-To: <4A9C9917.2000700@earthlink.net> References: <000f01ca2a96$d2bd1af0$783750d0$@net> <4A9C9917.2000700@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000301ca2abd$3c007950$b4016bf0$@net> Hey Robert, Wow, Very good! I knew that there were several other space/rocket songs, but I had no clue that there was this many. Thanks for all the hard work on this and the replies from everyone, very fun. I was planning to find and download these songs to add to our rocket playlist so that we will have music for our videos, but it sounds like you already have these songs downloaded? If you do have these songs already in some folder and it would not be too much trouble, go ahead and send them to me, that would be great! By the way, the Jayhawk that had a rough landing at the August Brothers launch after main deployment at 800 feet and 225mph, is once again ready to fly after some minor repairs and improvements. I am once again ready to do my L2 cert flight this time on either a K270 (probably) or possibly a K700 and oh yes, the video camera will be aboard! Thanks again, Cameron Still NAR & TRA L1 (But working on it!:) -----Original Message----- From: Hammer [mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:47 PM To: Cameron Tinder Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... Hey Cam, I have compiled a list of rocketry and space-related songs that is as follows. If you have any trouble finding them and downloading them off the Internet just let me know. I'll send you a copy. 1) Rocket Man by Elton John 2) Rocket by Def Leppard 3) Yuri Gagarin by Zia 4) On Mars by Tom Mansell 5) Toward The Red by Thom Williams 6) Fire In The Sky by Kristoph Klover 7) Major Tom (English and German versions) by Peter Schilling 8) Witness' Waltz by Kristoph Klover 9) Others Standing By by Kristoph Klover 10) Hotel On The Moon by Joe Alley 11) Space Oddity by David Bowie 12) Through The Fire by Larry Greene (from the 'Top Gun" soundtrack) 13) Mighty Wings by Cheap Trick (from the "Top Gun" soundtrack) 14) Great Balls of Fire by Jerry Lee Lewis (from the "Top Gun" soundtrack) 15) Danger Zone by by Kenny Loggins (from the "Top Gun" soundtrack) 16) St. Elmo's Fire by John Parr (from the "St. Elmo's Fire" soundtrack) 17) Lighting Up The World by Peter Himmelman & David Broza (good for night launches) 18) Where's The Fire by Tim Freeman 19) Come Sail Away by Styx 20) In The Burning Heart by Survivor (from the "Rocky IV" soundtrack) 21) In The Air Tonight by Phil Collins (good for night launches) 22) Fly Like An Eagle by Steve Miller 23) Blinded By The Light by Manfred Mann's Earth Band (good for night launches) 24) Thunder In My Heart by Leo Sayer 25) Mr. Blue Sky by ELO 26) We're Ready by Boston (from their "Third Stage album) 27) The Launch by Boston (from their "Third Stage" album) 27) Cool The Engines by Boston (from their "Third Stage" album) 28) Cosy In The Rocket by Psapp ("Grey's Anatomy" tv show theme song) Robert Cameron Tinder wrote: > We were discussing this one in our home and could not come up with but one, > so I put this one out to all of you. > > What is your favorite rocket or space song and who was it by? All that we > could really remember was the David Bowie song "Rocketman" from the 70's. I > know that there are others I just can't seem to recall them, can you? > > > > Cameron Tinder > > Still NAR & TRA L1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From joebevier at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 22:03:14 2009 From: joebevier at gmail.com (Joe Bevier) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:03:14 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... In-Reply-To: <000301ca2abd$3c007950$b4016bf0$@net> References: <000f01ca2a96$d2bd1af0$783750d0$@net> <4A9C9917.2000700@earthlink.net> <000301ca2abd$3c007950$b4016bf0$@net> Message-ID: <45717540908312203r78dfa76dj15d46afd97876ad@mail.gmail.com> I can't believe nobody thought of "Fly me to the Moon" by Frank Sinatra. Didn't Waylon and Willie do one something like, "Momma's don't let 'yer babies grow up to be EXer's, Don't let 'em mix APCP and blow cases up. Raise 'em ta be doctors and lawyer and such. . . ." Strangely, Joe NAR L2 On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Cameron Tinder wrote: > Hey Robert, > > Wow, Very good! I knew that there were several other space/rocket songs, > but I had no clue that there was this many. Thanks for all the hard work > on this and the replies from everyone, very fun. I was planning to find > and download these songs to add to our rocket playlist so that we will > have music for our videos, but it sounds like you already have these songs > downloaded? If you do have these songs already in some folder and it would > not be too much trouble, go ahead and send them to me, that would be great! > > > By the way, the Jayhawk that had a rough landing at the August Brothers > launch after main deployment at 800 feet and 225mph, is once again ready > to fly after some minor repairs and improvements. I am once again > ready to do my L2 cert flight this time on either a K270 (probably) or > possibly a K700 and oh yes, the video camera will be aboard! > > Thanks again, > > Cameron > > Still NAR & TRA L1 > (But working on it!:) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hammer [mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:47 PM > To: Cameron Tinder > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... > > Hey Cam, > I have compiled a list of rocketry and space-related songs that is as > follows. If you have any trouble finding them and downloading them off > the Internet just let me know. I'll send you a copy. > > 1) Rocket Man by Elton John > 2) Rocket by Def Leppard > 3) Yuri Gagarin by Zia > 4) On Mars by Tom Mansell > 5) Toward The Red by Thom Williams > 6) Fire In The Sky by Kristoph Klover > 7) Major Tom (English and German versions) by Peter Schilling > 8) Witness' Waltz by Kristoph Klover > 9) Others Standing By by Kristoph Klover > 10) Hotel On The Moon by Joe Alley > 11) Space Oddity by David Bowie > 12) Through The Fire by Larry Greene (from the 'Top Gun" soundtrack) > 13) Mighty Wings by Cheap Trick (from the "Top Gun" soundtrack) > 14) Great Balls of Fire by Jerry Lee Lewis (from the "Top Gun" soundtrack) > 15) Danger Zone by by Kenny Loggins (from the "Top Gun" soundtrack) > 16) St. Elmo's Fire by John Parr (from the "St. Elmo's Fire" soundtrack) > 17) Lighting Up The World by Peter Himmelman & David Broza (good for > night launches) > 18) Where's The Fire by Tim Freeman > 19) Come Sail Away by Styx > 20) In The Burning Heart by Survivor (from the "Rocky IV" soundtrack) > 21) In The Air Tonight by Phil Collins (good for night launches) > 22) Fly Like An Eagle by Steve Miller > 23) Blinded By The Light by Manfred Mann's Earth Band (good for night > launches) > 24) Thunder In My Heart by Leo Sayer > 25) Mr. Blue Sky by ELO > 26) We're Ready by Boston (from their "Third Stage album) > 27) The Launch by Boston (from their "Third Stage" album) > 27) Cool The Engines by Boston (from their "Third Stage" album) > 28) Cosy In The Rocket by Psapp ("Grey's Anatomy" tv show theme song) > > Robert > > Cameron Tinder wrote: > > We were discussing this one in our home and could not come up with but > one, > > so I put this one out to all of you. > > > > What is your favorite rocket or space song and who was it by? All that we > > could really remember was the David Bowie song "Rocketman" from the 70's. > I > > know that there are others I just can't seem to recall them, can you? > > > > > > > > Cameron Tinder > > > > Still NAR & TRA L1 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- Joe From glech at aol.com Mon Aug 31 22:05:58 2009 From: glech at aol.com (Gary Lech) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:05:58 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... In-Reply-To: <000301ca2abd$3c007950$b4016bf0$@net> References: <000f01ca2a96$d2bd1af0$783750d0$@net><4A9C9917.2000700@earthlink.net> <000301ca2abd$3c007950$b4016bf0$@net> Message-ID: <8CBF8D907418FCB-3C44-95D6@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> Here's another one: Space Cowboy, Steve Miller Band http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CXFSRu7nNk Cheers from ~ Gary Lech WA7GL TRA -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Tinder To: 'Hammer' Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 9:32 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... Hey Robert, Wow, Very good! I knew that there were several other space/rocket songs, but I had no clue that there was this many. Thanks for all the hard work on this and the replies from everyone, very fun. I was planning to find and download these songs to add to our rocket playlist so that we will have music for our videos, but it sounds like you already have these songs downloaded? If you do have these songs already in some folder and it would not be too much trouble, go ahead and send them to me, that would be great! By the way, the Jayhawk that had a rough landing at the August Brothers launch after main deployment at 800 feet and 225mph, is once again ready to fly after some minor repairs and improvements. I am once again ready to do my L2 cert flight this time on either a K270 (probably) or possibly a K700 and oh yes, the video camera will be aboard! Thanks again, Cameron Still NAR & TRA L1 (But working on it!:) -----Original Message----- From: Hammer [mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:47 PM To: Cameron Tinder Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... Hey Cam, I have compiled a list of rocketry and space-related songs that is as follows. If you have any trouble finding them and downloading them off the Internet just let me know. I'll send you a copy. 1) Rocket Man by Elton John 2) Rocket by Def Leppard 3) Yuri Gagarin by Zia 4) On Mars by Tom Mansell 5) Toward The Red by Thom Williams 6) Fire In The Sky by Kristoph Klover 7) Major Tom (English and German versions) by Peter Schilling 8) Witness' Waltz by Kristoph Klover 9) Others Standing By by Kristoph Klover 10) Hotel On The Moon by Joe Alley 11) Space Oddity by David Bowie 12) Through The Fire by Larry Greene (from the 'Top Gun" soundtrack) 13) Mighty Wings by Cheap Trick (from the "Top Gun" soundtrack) 14) Great Balls of Fire by Jerry Lee Lewis (from the "Top Gun" soundtrack) 15) Danger Zone by by Kenny Loggins (from the "Top Gun" soundtrack) 16) St. Elmo's Fire by John Parr (from the "St. Elmo's Fire" soundtrack) 17) Lighting Up The World by Peter Himmelman & David Broza (good for night launches) 18) Where's The Fire by Tim Freeman 19) Come Sail Away by Styx 20) In The Burning Heart by Survivor (from the "Rocky IV" soundtrack) 21) In The Air Tonight by Phil Collins (good for night launches) 22) Fly Like An Eagle by Steve Miller 23) Blinded By The Light by Manfred Mann's Earth Band (good for night launches) 24) Thunder In My Heart by Leo Sayer 25) Mr. Blue Sky by ELO 26) We're Ready by Boston (from their "Third Stage album) 27) The Launch by Boston (from their "Third Stage" album) 27) Cool The Engines by Boston (from their "Third Stage" album) 28) Cosy In The Rocket by Psapp ("Grey's Anatomy" tv show theme song) Robert Cameron Tinder wrote: > We were discussing this one in our home and could not come up with but one, > so I put this one out to all of you. > > What is your favorite rocket or space song and who was it by? All that we > could really remember was the David Bowie song "Rocketman" from the 70's. I > know that there are others I just can't seem to recall them, can you? > > > > Cameron Tinder > > Still NAR & TRA L1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Mon Aug 31 22:37:04 2009 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:37:04 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... In-Reply-To: <8CBF8D907418FCB-3C44-95D6@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> References: <000f01ca2a96$d2bd1af0$783750d0$@net><4A9C9917.2000700@earthlink.net> <000301ca2abd$3c007950$b4016bf0$@net> <8CBF8D907418FCB-3C44-95D6@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A9CB300.8070705@earthlink.net> I'll have to add Frank Sinatra's "Fly Me To The Moon" and Steve Millers "Space Cowboy" to my playlist. Thanks for the suggestions Joe and Gary! Robert Gary Lech wrote: > Here's another one: > > Space Cowboy, Steve Miller Band http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CXFSRu7nNk > > > > Cheers from ~ > Gary Lech WA7GL TRA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cameron Tinder > To: 'Hammer' > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 9:32 pm > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... > > > > > Hey Robert, > > Wow, Very good! I knew that there were several other space/rocket songs, > but I had no clue that there was this many. Thanks for all the hard work > on this and the replies from everyone, very fun. I was planning to find > and download these songs to add to our rocket playlist so that we will > have music for our videos, but it sounds like you already have these songs > downloaded? If you do have these songs already in some folder and it would > not be too much trouble, go ahead and send them to me, that would be great! > > > By the way, the Jayhawk that had a rough landing at the August Brothers > launch after main deployment at 800 feet and 225mph, is once again ready > to fly after some minor repairs and improvements. I am once again > ready to do my L2 cert flight this time on either a K270 (probably) or > possibly a K700 and oh yes, the video camera will be aboard! > > Thanks again, > > Cameron > > Still NAR & TRA L1 > (But working on it!:) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hammer [mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:47 PM > To: Cameron Tinder > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Favorite rocket songs... > > Hey Cam, > I have compiled a list of rocketry and space-related songs that is as > follows. If you have any trouble finding them and downloading them off > the Internet just let me know. I'll send you a copy. > > 1) Rocket Man by Elton John > 2) Rocket by Def Leppard > 3) Yuri Gagarin by Zia > 4) On Mars by Tom Mansell > 5) Toward The Red by Thom Williams > 6) Fire In The Sky by Kristoph Klover > 7) Major Tom (English and German versions) by Peter Schilling > 8) Witness' Waltz by Kristoph Klover > 9) Others Standing By by Kristoph Klover > 10) Hotel On The Moon by Joe Alley > 11) Space Oddity by David Bowie > 12) Through The Fire by Larry Greene (from the 'Top Gun" soundtrack) > 13) Mighty Wings by Cheap Trick (from the "Top Gun" soundtrack) > 14) Great Balls of Fire by Jerry Lee Lewis (from the "Top Gun" soundtrack) > 15) Danger Zone by by Kenny Loggins (from the "Top Gun" soundtrack) > 16) St. Elmo's Fire by John Parr > (from the "St. Elmo's Fire" soundtrack) > 17) Lighting Up The World by Peter Himmelman & David Broza (good for > night launches) > 18) Where's The Fire by Tim Freeman > 19) Come Sail Away by Styx > 20) In The Burning Heart by Survivor (from the "Rocky IV" soundtrack) > 21) In The Air Tonight by Phil Collins (good for night launches) > 22) Fly Like An Eagle by Steve Miller > 23) Blinded By The Light by Manfred Mann's Earth Band (good for night > launches) > 24) Thunder In My Heart by Leo Sayer > 25) Mr. Blue Sky by ELO > 26) We're Ready by Boston (from their "Third Stage album) > 27) The Launch by Boston (from their "Third Stage" album) > 27) Cool The Engines by Boston (from their "Third Stage" album) > 28) Cosy In The Rocket by Psapp ("Grey's Anatomy" tv show theme song) > > Robert > > Cameron Tinder wrote: > >> We were discussing this one in our home and could not come up with but >> > one, > >> so I put this one out to all of you. >> >> What is your favorite rocket or space song and who was it by? All that we >> could really remember was the David Bowie song "Rocketman" from the 70's. >> > I > >> know that there are others I just can't seem to recall them, can you? >> >> >> >> Cameron Tinder >> >> Still NAR & TRA L1 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From fred at azinger.com Mon Aug 31 22:44:29 2009 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:44:29 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP In-Reply-To: <24320373.1251781192319.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24320373.1251781192319.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008601ca2ac7$46cc67e0$d46537a0$@com> Steve -- if you are worried about moisture, cure that off early by adding a few grams of PAPI early in the mix process.. It sucks up the H2O before it will cure the R45...no impact to the mix viscosity. From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com [mailto:steve-c at ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:00 PM To: Mfreptiles at aol.com; fred at azinger.com; lawndart.robert at gmail.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP Mike - just 0.1% is nothing - feel good at minimum and it does help the mix - I'm loosing more solids loading from moisture reaction (deliberate slow cures) than anything else. About Oxamide - planning to sub 20% for calcium carbonate on SSO - thanks to sir Bob from dawg-pac. I only had 400g of calcium carbonate on-hand and need 500g total for 6% allocation on a BALLS motor - talk about low effort lucky. So, what should I expect? A 54mm3g validation test (instrumented) is planned prior to burning up that spanking-new 6-grain 98mm casing you're making for me . /Steve -----Original Message----- From: Mfreptiles at aol.com Sent: Aug 31, 2009 9:30 PM To: steve-c at ix.netcom.com, fred at azinger.com, lawndart.robert at gmail.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP LOL, lecithin would just give me an excuse to up the solids another percent or two to stiffen it back up. Which reminds me, the new high po version of OS use oxamide. I've noticed that the oxamide makes for a softer batch. Anybody else notice this with oxamide? Mike In a message dated 8/31/2009 8:26:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, steve-c at ix.netcom.com writes: Lecithin is cheap and easy to aquire - in certain formulas like SS-Orange, a drop per 500g of silicone oil makes a huger difference. From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Aug 31 22:45:55 2009 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 01:45:55 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Surfactants for APCP Message-ID: I'd SWAG at 5%-10% lower burn rate. If you sub out all of the calcium carbonate for oxamide you can do long burns without going to offset cores and thick liners. The latest Mr. Scary motor subs out all but 1% of the calcium in order to achieve a super low exponent so it won't cato from the erosivity. The cut off ends of the grain tops are hard to get lit and burn a long time. Mike F. In a message dated 8/31/2009 9:59:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, steve-c at ix.netcom.com writes: About Oxamide - planning to sub 20% for calcium carbonate on SSO - thanks to sir Bob from dawg-pac. I only had 400g of calcium carbonate on-hand and need 500g total for 6% allocation on a BALLS motor - talk about low effort lucky. So, what should I expect?