[RocketsNW] FW: Mark Aguiar (WA L&I Inspector)LookedAtMyExpl.Magazine Today, Code vs. Law

[John Armitage]

Many codes are not written by governmental authorities. The many volumes of
the NFPA are adopted by AHJ's. The actual law is not the text of the code
but the requirement to abide by it.
Electrical codes as my example, you can download the full version of the
Washington Administrative Code (WAC) and the Revised Code of Washington
(RCW)that make up the actual state law and codes. The NFPA volumes that the
WAC and RCW's refer to are still carefully guarded copyrights, reprinted
with permission and must be purchased.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Terry Moore-Read
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:41 AM
To: Carl Hamilton
Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: Mark Aguiar (WA L&I
Inspector)LookedAtMyExpl.Magazine Today

The supreme court overturned copyright on laws some time ago - there  
really should be a copy out there somewhere by now.


On Apr 13, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Carl Hamilton wrote:

> http://www.kingcounty.gov/council/legislation/~/media/Council/ 
> documents/Clerk/CodeFiles/20_Title_17.ashx
http://www.kingcounty.gov/council/legislation/ 
> ~/media/Council/documents/Clerk/CodeFiles/20_Title_17.ashx
> .
> The IFC is copyrighted, so it's not available (for free) on the web.  
> You should go down to your local library and find a hard copy. Look  
> at section
> 3301.1.4, titled "Rocketry", which states something along the lines  
> of:
> The storage, handling and use of model and high-power rockets shall  
> comply with the requirements of NFPA 1122, NFPA 1125, and NFPA 1127.
> The NFPA documents aren't specific to APCP, but presumably do give  
> the local fire marshal jurisdiction over rocket motor storage.
>  - Carl
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Brad Wright
> < mailto:bradwr at wrightholdings.com bradwr at wrightholdings.com
>>
> wrote:
> In my searches I couldn't seem to find anything specific to APCP or  
> other such substances in the King County fire code.  do you have a  
> reference?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> ] On Behalf Of mailto:kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:42 PM
> To: Dennis Winningstad
> Cc: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: Mark Aguiar (WA L&I Inspector)  
> LookedAtMyExpl.Magazine Today
> Washington state adopted the Universal Fire Code which contains by
> reference the NFPA codes.  L&I may soon be out of the picture as far  
> as
> regulating APCP as an explosive but remember you still have to keep  
> the
> fire marshal happy.  Especially in places like King county.
> Fire marshals and local AHJ's do have some say when it comes to  
> storing
> stuff they consider darn flammable.
> +McG+
>> Maybe work in the background, but get all the ducks in a row so  
>> when it is
>> time to move out, you can overwhelm them with emails, snail mails and
>> phone
>> calls :D
>>
>> Dennis S Winningstad
>> 503-781-3529
>>
>> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> ]
>> On Behalf Of Bloom, Steven E
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:12 AM
>> To: Brian Jarchow; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: Mark Aguiar (WA L&I Inspector)
>> LookedAtMyExpl.Magazine Today
>>
>> I'd like to voice the other side of this arguement. I suggest we  
>> "wait
>> and see" before we start asking for permission to something that is
>> completely legal. L&I may drop it all on their own. Let's give them  
>> that
>> chance first. If they don't, then we can take next steps.
>>
>> I think the last thing we want to do at this stage is to point out to
>> our government that currently there are several people in the state  
>> with
>> explosive rocket fuel in their garages but it's safe, because BATFE  
>> says
>> so. However in the near future, without Federal Regulation, there  
>> will
>> be no control over who stores explosive rocket fuel in their house.
>>
>> steve bloom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *********************************
>> We may have won that battle in one location, but we will still need  
>> to
>> fight again in Washington courts if L&I decides to regulate without
>> legislative authority.
>>
>> I think we should focus on the suggestion given - does anybody on the
>> list know a member of the legislature? Does anybody here have a good
>> friend who knows a member of the legislature? If we had one or two
>> members of the state house or state senate willing to support us, I
>> really doubt L&I would try to continue regulating APCP.
>>
>> Brian
>>
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