[RocketsNW] FW: Mark Aguiar (WA L&I Inspector) Looked At My Expl. Magazine Today

Tue Apr 7 10:02:04 PDT 2009

>From a recent conversations with both Mason Reiter and Mark Aguiar, they were both hoping that we would win the case so they would no longer have to also regulate APCP.  According to what Mason told me in person, if ATF no longer regulates APCP as explosive, they no longer regulate it as explosive.  L&I''s only reason for regulating APCP was because it was on the ATF list.

We shall see.

Carl

> From: terry at mooreread.com
> To: MartyWeiser at comcast.net
> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:58:20 -0700
> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: Mark Aguiar (WA L&I Inspector) Looked At My Expl. Magazine Today
> 
> The only thing I can find in the WAC ... is a note saying that APCP 
> rocket motors may be stored in an attached garage. It seems that the 
> current authority to regulate it comes from the ATF explosives list 
> and not from any explicit state regulation. I'm not saying they 
> couldn't change that. There would need to be a statutory basis for 
> any new regulation.
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Marty2 wrote:
> 
> > A little feedback from a Washington L&I Inspection.
> >
> > From:
> > David Luders [mailto:LudersDG at MSN.com]
> > Sent:
> > Monday, April 06, 2009 4:30 PM
> > To:
> > absworld at cet.com; tyeeking at hotmail.com; bret.simpkins at pnl.gov; bar0051 at homenetnw.net 
> > ; jcooney805 at comcast.net; the.vogels at verizon.net; 
> > hans.vogel at pnl.gov; JSHalstead at aol.com; jim at otisace.com; lmceuen at comcast.net 
> > ; rocfish74 at hotmail.com; martyweiser at comcast.net; rob at otisace.com; ramberg at icehouse.net 
> > ; Jinxblink at hotmail.com; raystoner99 at comcast.net; Mark.Howe at compucom.com
> > Subject:
> > Mark Aguiar (WA L&I Inspector) Looked At My Expl. Magazine Today
> >
> > Mark Aguiar of the State of Washington Department of Labor & 
> > Industries (L&I) just finished his annual inspection of my Explosive 
> > Magazine. Even though my WA L&I magazine license had expired on Feb 
> > 15, 2009, he gave me permission to continue storing rocketry stuff 
> > in the magazine. I had been storing it in my portable magazine in 
> > my garage. My federal LEUP doesn't expire until June 1, 2009. He 
> > was very aware of the recent court decision whereby the NAR 
> > prevailed over the BATFE, but he made these points:
> >
> > 1) The BATFE has 60 days in which they can appeal the federal 
> > judge's decision. He advised that rocketeers DON'T rip up their 
> > LEUPs just yet.
> >
> > 2) The State of Washington could still regulate APCP as a "Low 
> > Explosive", even though the federal government may give up its 
> > fight. Mr. Aguiar had asked his boss in Tumwater about this, and he 
> > got an answer that the State of Washington was inclined to keep 
> > regulating APCP (and, hence, keep requiring a WA Explosive Magazine 
> > license). He recommended that the WA rocketry clubs band together 
> > to get the ear of a state legislator, to convince the WA L&I folks 
> > not to regulate APCP if the BATFE doesn't consider it a "Low 
> > Explosive" anymore.
> >
> > 3) The 1-lb. tin of FFFFg black powder doesn't have to be stored in 
> > the magazine.
> >
> > 4) I must send in my $124.25 fee, plus fingerprint card (which 
> > costs ~$25 at the Airway Heights Police Department to get done), to 
> > renew my state Explosive Magazine license. I'm not in trouble, but 
> > I must attend to this soon.
> >
> > --- Dave Luders, SPARC, NAR #81772 L2
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> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
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> 
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>From a recent conversations with both Mason Reiter and Mark Aguiar, they were both hoping that we would win the case so they would no longer have to also regulate APCP.  According to what Mason told me in person, if ATF no longer regulates APCP as explosive, they no longer regulate it as explosive.  L&I''s only reason for regulating APCP was because it was on the ATF list.

We shall see.
Carl

> From: terry at mooreread.com
> To: MartyWeiser at comcast.net
> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:58:20 -0700
> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: Mark Aguiar (WA L&I Inspector) Looked At My Expl. Magazine Today
>
> The only thing I can find in the WAC ... is a note saying that APCP
> rocket motors may be stored in an attached garage. It seems that the
> current authority to regulate it comes from the ATF explosives list
> and not from any explicit state regulation. I'm not saying they
> couldn't change that. There would need to be a statutory basis for
> any new regulation.
>
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Marty2 wrote:
>
> > A little feedback from a Washington L&I Inspection.
> >
> > From:
> > David Luders [mailto:LudersDG at MSN.com]
> > Sent:
> > Monday, April 06, 2009 4:30 PM
> > To:
> > absworld at cet.com; tyeeking at hotmail.com; bret.simpkins at pnl.gov; bar0051 at homenetnw.net
> > ; jcooney805 at comcast.net; the.vogels at verizon.net;
> > hans.vogel at pnl.gov; JSHalstead at aol.com; jim at otisace.com; lmceuen at comcast.net
> > ; rocfish74 at hotmail.com; martyweiser at comcast.net; rob at otisace.com; ramberg at icehouse.net
> > ; Jinxblink at hotmail.com; raystoner99 at comcast.net; Mark.Howe at compucom.com
> > Subject:
> > Mark Aguiar (WA L&I Inspector) Looked At My Expl. Magazine Today
> >
> > Mark Aguiar of the State of Washington Department of Labor &
> > Industries (L&I) just finished his annual inspection of my Explosive
> > Magazine. Even though my WA L&I magazine license had expired on Feb
> > 15, 2009, he gave me permission to continue storing rocketry stuff
> > in the magazine. I had been storing it in my portable magazine in
> > my garage. My federal LEUP doesn't expire until June 1, 2009. He
> > was very aware of the recent court decision whereby the NAR
> > prevailed over the BATFE, but he made these points:
> >
> > 1) The BATFE has 60 days in which they can appeal the federal
> > judge's decision. He advised that rocketeers DON'T rip up their
> > LEUPs just yet.
> >
> > 2) The State of Washington could still regulate APCP as a "Low
> > Explosive", even though the federal government may give up its
> > fight. Mr. Aguiar had asked his boss in Tumwater about this, and he
> > got an answer that the State of Washington was inclined to keep
> > regulating APCP (and, hence, keep requiring a WA Explosive Magazine
> > license). He recommended that the WA rocketry clubs band together
> > to get the ear of a state legislator, to convince the WA L&I folks
> > not to regulate APCP if the BATFE doesn't consider it a "Low
> > Explosive" anymore.
> >
> > 3) The 1-lb. tin of FFFFg black powder doesn't have to be stored in
> > the magazine.
> >
> > 4) I must send in my $124.25 fee, plus fingerprint card (which
> > costs ~$25 at the Airway Heights Police Department to get done), to
> > renew my state Explosive Magazine license. I'm not in trouble, but
> > I must attend to this soon.
> >
> > --- Dave Luders, SPARC, NAR #81772 L2
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rockets mailing list
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
>
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