[RocketsNW] where the deceitful government will go ... TOTALLY OFF TOPIC.

Sun Apr 5 20:36:54 PDT 2009

This is way off topic.  Those I feel who have crossed the line are getting
moderated.  

Greg Deputy
List Admin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On
> Behalf Of W. Raymond Stoner
> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 4:56 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] where the deceitful government will go ...
TOTALLY
> OFF TOPIC.
> 
> Right, left? Who cares...UP is what we all have in common.
> 
> Let keep the rockets we build and fly going UP...the rest doesn't
> matter...at least to this list.
> 
> Ray
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers
> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:08 PM
> To: 'Bill Munds'; 'Robert Nech'; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] where the deceitful government will go ...
TOTALLY
> OFF TOPIC.
> 
> I agree, the post by you and Kimberly were not on topic, let it go please.
> 
> 
> Scott T. Bowers
> www.scottsrockets.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Bill Munds
> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 10:12 AM
> To: Robert Nech; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] where the deceitful government will go ...
TOTALLY
> OFF TOPIC.
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> Let it go, Robert.
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> 
> This is a friendly rocket hobbyist forum of folks that just want to catch
> the thrill of watching what they build fly or crash.
> 
> Our results are not always what we expect......but are always exciting.
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> Government regulation is important in some ways.  But only in a way that
> prevents us from getting the thrill.
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> 
> Bill
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>  EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> Join me
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> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 09:58:20 -0700
> > From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] where the deceitful government will go ...
> TOTALLY OFF TOPIC.
> >
> > Here we go again! Yes!!!!!
> >
> > Your Leftist response with your character assassination by calling me
> > an anti-government, right-wing nut isn't going to fly here, but it is
> > a classic tactical move used for generations to shut those people up
> > who disagree with government sprawl into every single facet of our
lives.
> >
> > Since you enjoy Big Government with big and onerous regulations, are
> > the current regulations on AP rocket propellant enough to make you
> > feel safe? Are you looking forward to the appeal by the BATFE? How
> > much regulation is not enough or too much for you?
> >
> > The NAIS as well as Real ID are simply other examples of how
> > government is using its power to give us more supposed safety at the
> > cost of our freedom and liberty and our wallets. Two-thirds of the
> > cost of any product you purchase today is due to government
> > regulation. Our country was founded on keeping government to a
> > minimum. I am not against government at all as long as it stays within
> > the framework of its Constitutional limits. This does require each
> > citizen to behave themselves by being self-governing. As the citizenry
> > becomes less internally, self-governing more government is required to
> > apply external controls upon them.
> >
> > Hobby rocketry has survived to this point because rocketeers are
> > self-governing and self-regulating. As long as we prove to Fedzilla
> > and its subsidiaries (the States) that we can do such, like we have
> > done with Judge Walton, we will continue to enjoy the sweet taste of
> > the freedom and liberty to design, build and fly rocket airframes and
> motors.
> >
> > I heard North Korea, Cuba, and Iran have invitations extended to you
> > for permanent residence there. Won't be able to fly any hobby rockets
> > there though.
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
> > -Benjamin Franklin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kimberly Harms wrote:
> > > First off, what does this have to do with Rocketry in the Northwest?
> > >
> > > Second, why is the off topic stuff that gets posted always
> > > anti-government right wing-nut stuff ?
> > >
> > > Third, why not do a bit of reading on the benefits rather than this
> > > "go it alone and screw the rest of the world as long as I can make
> maximum profits"
> > > stuff ?
> > >
> > > This from the Oregon Department of Agriculture.:
> > >
> > > " The National Animal Identification System (NAIS) is a voluntary
> > > countrywide program intended to enhance animal traceability efforts
> > > in controlling the spread of animal diseases. The U.S. Department of
> > > Agriculture (USDA) in cooperation with state agencies and the
> > > livestock industry is developing the system. When fully developed,
> > > it should allow traceability of diseased or exposed animals within
> > > 48 hours of the disease outbreak. It should help ensure rapid
> > > disease containment and maximum protection of America's livestock
> animals."
> > >
> > > Kimberly Harms
> > > Apparently the last progressive involved in Rocketry and a person
> > > who doesn't assume that the best of all worlds is a world with zero
> regulation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
> > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > > On Behalf Of Hammer
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:52 AM
> > > To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] where the deceitful government will go ...
> > >
> > > Obviously you have not kept up with the news of Fedzilla's National
> > > Animal Identification System (NAIS).
> > > http://www.newswithviews.com/Morrison/joyce23.htm
> > > http://nonais.org/
> > >
> > > What is NAIS?
> > >
> > > The USDA's proposed National Animal Identification System (NAIS) was
> > > originally designed to give the big beef producers help in getting
> > > export markets which required disease controls. The idea is that
> > > every single livestock animal in the United States will be
> > > identified and tagged. All livestock animal movements will be
> > > tracked, logged and reported to the government. The benefit is to
> > > the big factory farms who probably do need this type of regulation.
> > > They get to do single ID's for large groups of animals. Small
> > > farmers, pet owners and homesteaders will have to tag and track every
> single animal.
> > >
> > > There are no exceptions - even small farms that sell direct to local
> > > consumers will be required to pay the fees and file all the paper
> > > work on all their animals. Even horse, llama and other pet owners
> > > will be required to participate in NAIS. Homesteaders who raise
> > > their own meat and grandma with her one egg hen will also have to
> > > register their homes as 'farm premises' and obtain a Premise ID, tag
> > > all their animals and submit all the paperwork and fees. Absurd? Yes
> > > - There are no exceptions under the current NAIS plan. The USDA has
> > > slipped this plan in the back door without any legislation. This is
> > > going to be very expensive and guess who is going to pay for it in
> higher food prices. You!
> > >
> > > kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> You forgot the cow burps and goat farts. They trying to tax those
> > >> too but they're not making personal inspections on the farms to
> > >> gather data. They know farmers have pitchforks. ;-)
> > >>
> > >> It's all a manifestation of the underlying psychosis of a
> > >> totalitarian mindset. Which, unfortunately, seems to be a
communicable
> disease.
> > >> There's a treatment for it, but they preemptively outlawed
> > >> marijuana long ago...whatever, dude.
> > >>
> > >> Solar heated steam rockets.
> > >> +McG+
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Why would the EPA declare a naturally occurring compound like CO2
> > >>> a danger to the public like they are doing with perchlorates?
> > >>>
> > >>> Because the Feds will use these studies to justify its use of one
> > >>> or more of their alphabet soup agencies, such as the CDC, FDA or
> > >>> EPA, to regulate and tax its use by the public. Just recently the
> > >>> EPA declared
> > >>> CO2 a danger to the public to help stop AGW/Climate Change/Climate
> Chaos.
> > >>> http://www.businessinsider.com/epa-delcares-co2-a-public-danger-20
> > >>> 09-3
> > >>>
> > >>> Does it matter that there is more argon in the (0.94%) in the
> > >>> atmosphere than CO2 (0.04%). Or that argon ((26.85 C/80.33 F)
> > >>> 0.01772 W.m-1.K-1) also has a much lower thermal conductivity
> > >>> coefficient than CO2 ((20
> > >>> C/68 F) 0.087 W.m-1 .K-1). So much so that argon is used in double
> > >>> and triple pan windows to help increase the insulating capacity
> > >>> and also used in scuba diving dry suits.
> > >>>
> > >>> With CO2 now defined and classified as a pollutant and a danger to
> > >>> the public's health and welfare, legislation will certainly follow
> > >>> to drive the price any form of energy creation, which creates CO2
> > >>> as a byproduct, through the roof with higher taxes and more
> regulation.
> > >>>
> > >>> Don't rocket motors produce CO2 as one byproduct of combustion?
> > >>> It's only a matter of time before the Mandarins come calling to
> > >>> our door step to regulate the use of rocket motors from a CO2
> > >>> standpoint as well as a perchlorate one. GOX/GHy rocket motor
> > >>> technology may need to be developed to sidestep the bureaucrats once
> again.
> > >>>
> > >>> Since I am a CO2 emitter by what I exhale and the products I use
> > >>> does that make me a danger to the public and should I be taxed to
> > >>> death and regulated out of existence? If I alter my genetic code I
> > >>> could have it use hydrogen and oxygen to power my body, too.
> > >>>
> > >>> Robert
> > >>>
> > >>> "Bureaucracy, the rule of no one, has become the modern form of
> > >>>
> > > despotism"
> > >
> > >>> Mary McCarthy
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > > http://www.carbonoffsetsdaily.com/canada-carbonmarketnews/controllin
> > > g-carbon
> > > -a-bureaucrat's-dream-5109.htm
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>> Paul Bogdanich wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> As I understand it the health warning or whatever it was is on
> > >>>> perchlorate in general which comes in at least the following five
> > >>>> flavors, Ammonium, Hydrogen, Lithium, Potassium and Sodium. It
> > >>>> occurs naturally as Hydrogen Perchlorate which we call perchloric
> > >>>> acid. So why are we getting bent out of shape about this and the
> > >>>> evil government?
> > >>>>
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