From bar0051 at homenetnw.net Tue Sep 2 20:33:45 2008 From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net (Bryon Schopp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:33:45 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase Message-ID: I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me. In addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal or not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get the fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you renew before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high power rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang for the buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses necessary for highpower. Bryon Schopp -------------- next part -------------- I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me.? In addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background check.? I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal or not.? If so, that would be?over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get the fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to mention the Feds.? These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you renew before that the old fee's apply.? I am not sure I can afford high power rocketry at this rate, I always?thought midpower was the most bang for the buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses necessary for highpower. ? Bryon Schopp From scott at scottsrockets.com Tue Sep 2 21:30:12 2008 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:30:12 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, but because your government cares you are now safer. If you have no money left for rockets or gas you surely have a slimmer chance of getting hurt. Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:34 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me. In addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal or not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get the fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you renew before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high power rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang for the buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses necessary for highpower. Bryon Schopp From appusher at q.com Tue Sep 2 21:40:49 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 04:40:49 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase Message-ID: Bryon, I have yet to hear about the license increase. Rennette had said that resubmitting the finger print card was a decision from the state that the WSP was more qualified to handle that. So, my understanding is that the FP card should not have to be re done after this time. As far as the license fee... I guess they are feeling the hit from fuel prices as well for all the personnel that have travel involved with their department. Bill @ PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:33:45 -0700> Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase> > I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me. In addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal or not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get the fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you renew before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high power rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang for the buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses necessary for highpower.> > Bryon Schopp -------------- next part -------------- Bryon, I have yet to hear about the license increase.? Rennette had said that resubmitting the finger print card was a decision from the state that the WSP was more qualified to handle that.? So, my understanding is that the FP card should not have to be re done after this time.?? As far as the license fee... I guess they are feeling the hit from fuel prices as well for all the personnel that have travel involved with their department. ? Bill @ PSP ? http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:33:45 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > > I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me. In addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal or not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get the fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you renew before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high power rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang for the buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses necessary for highpower. > > Bryon Schopp From jjarmitage at earthlink.net Tue Sep 2 21:42:30 2008 From: jjarmitage at earthlink.net (John Armitage) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:42:30 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F633B2F34984396982EA9F34D3212C4@dadsnotebook> Ouch I just opened my notice and read it three times looking for a loophole or detail that let us off the hook. I say it's time to contact the department and plea for some exemptions. This is not a for-profit venture that will absorb the costs. We are not a concern to them. (I still grouse over the fact that I've got more calories of energy in thinner, propane, gasoline, paint, acetone, alcohol, etc than I will ever store in my little magazine) If the lawsuit ever comes to a completion, will it change the status in the eyes of LnI? Paying this on an annual basis along with TRA and my kids' NAR fees, my childhood dream is going to put a large enough dent in the single-income-family-of-four budget that I'm gonna start squirming. As it is, I have to save for a year to get one, maybe two weekends of travel expenses and motors into the books. "Hey, Honey? Ya remember that thing about needing to be fingerprinted to play with those toys?" "Yeah, I know it made you a little uncomfortable, but you haven't had to deal with federal agents yourself yet. Well, anyway, now the State wants more money and a full background check." "What? No, only a couple of speeding tickets." "umm, 'bout a hundred bucks." "Each year." "But it is really my only hobby." "But..." "But..." We still build and fly model thru mid power, but that's not what we work towards. John Armitage Struggling to hang on to L2 TRA 10583 -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:34 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me. In addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal or not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get the fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you renew before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high power rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang for the buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses necessary for highpower. Bryon Schopp From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com Wed Sep 3 06:23:06 2008 From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:23:06 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase In-Reply-To: <9F633B2F34984396982EA9F34D3212C4@dadsnotebook> References: <9F633B2F34984396982EA9F34D3212C4@dadsnotebook> Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081216F4@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> If the lawsuit ever comes to a completion, will it change the status in the eyes of LnI? It should. The only reason L&I is involved today is because the Feds call our motors explosives. That pulls in the Fire Marshall which in turn requires L&I permits. Same thing would happen to paper if the Feds deemed it explosive. :>) steve From greg at blastzone.com Wed Sep 3 06:36:47 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:36:47 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase In-Reply-To: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081216F4@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> References: <9F633B2F34984396982EA9F34D3212C4@dadsnotebook> <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081216F4@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: <241f01c90dca$1cd473d0$567d5b70$@com> Hard to say. L&I already requires more than ATF for a manufacturers permit. If you want a manu. permit, ATF just seems to want more money. L&I wants proof you have a 'manufacturing facility' aka building that is not a residence, etc... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bloom, Steven E Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 6:23 AM To: John Armitage; rockets at rocketsnw.com; tra at tripoli.org Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase If the lawsuit ever comes to a completion, will it change the status in the eyes of LnI? It should. The only reason L&I is involved today is because the Feds call our motors explosives. That pulls in the Fire Marshall which in turn requires L&I permits. Same thing would happen to paper if the Feds deemed it explosive. :>) steve _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Wed Sep 3 07:44:07 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:44:07 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Thrust Ring for Aerotech 98/18000 case Message-ID: <48BEA2B7.50808@earthlink.net> Does any one know the thickness of the thrust ring on an Aerotech 98/18000 case? Robert From Mfreptiles at aol.com Wed Sep 3 09:01:43 2008 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:01:43 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Thrust Ring for Aerotech 98/18000 case Message-ID: In a message dated 9/3/2008 7:44:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net writes: Does any one know the thickness of the thrust ring on an Aerotech 98/18000 case? All the 98mm thrust rings are .50". Mike F. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 9/3/2008 7:44:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net writes: Does any one know the thickness of the thrust ring on an Aerotech 98/18000 case? ? All the 98mm thrust rings are .50". ? Mike F. ? It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047 here . From bar0051 at homenetnw.net Wed Sep 3 10:12:28 2008 From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net (Bryon Schopp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:12:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase References: Message-ID: I called L & I and found out, and yes, you will have to submit fingerprints and pay the ~$50 fee for processing them each year. So it has gone from $10 a year to ~$100 per year for state L & I fees. I had the nice lady at L & I send me the renewal forms so I could get them in before the new fees go into effect Dec. 1. Bryon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott T Bowers" To: "'Bryon Schopp'" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > Yes, but because your government cares you are now safer. If you have no > money left for rockets or gas you surely have a slimmer chance of getting > hurt. > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:34 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > > I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives > storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me. > In > addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background > check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal > or > not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get > the > fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to > mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you > renew > before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high power > rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang for the > buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses > necessary for highpower. > > Bryon Schopp > From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 3 11:05:00 2008 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <266470.83488.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> So why submit the finger print card every year? Do they think that your fingers change on a yearly basis? You only have to submit one for a CWP and it's on file. I just don't get it. ? John --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Bryon Schopp wrote: From: Bryon Schopp Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase To: "Scott T Bowers" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 10:12 AM I called L & I and found out, and yes, you will have to submit fingerprints and pay the ~$50 fee for processing them each year. So it has gone from $10 a year to ~$100 per year for state L & I fees. I had the nice lady at L & I send me the renewal forms so I could get them in before the new fees go into effect Dec. 1. Bryon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott T Bowers" To: "'Bryon Schopp'" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > Yes, but because your government cares you are now safer. If you have no > money left for rockets or gas you surely have a slimmer chance of getting > hurt. > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:34 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > > I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives > storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me. > In > addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background > check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal > or > not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get > the > fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to > mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you > renew > before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high power > rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang for the > buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses > necessary for highpower. > > Bryon Schopp > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- So why submit the finger print card every year? Do they think that your fingers change on a yearly basis? You only have to submit one for a CWP and it's on file. I just don't get it. ? John --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Bryon Schopp wrote: From: Bryon Schopp Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase To: "Scott T Bowers" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 10:12 AM I called L & I and found out, and yes, you will have to submit fingerprints and pay the ~$50 fee for processing them each year. So it has gone from $10 a year to ~$100 per year for state L & I fees. I had the nice lady at L & I send me the renewal forms so I could get them in before the new fees go into effect Dec. 1. Bryon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott T Bowers" To: "'Bryon Schopp'" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > Yes, but because your government cares you are now safer. If you have no > money left for rockets or gas you surely have a slimmer chance of getting > hurt. > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:34 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > > I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives > storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me. > In > addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background > check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal > or > not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get > the > fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to > mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you > renew > before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high power > rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang for the > buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses > necessary for highpower. > > Bryon Schopp > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Wed Sep 3 11:33:33 2008 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:33:33 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6766@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> As a teacher--also subject to mandatory fingerprinting--I only have to be fingerprinted once and then it's on file. We should not have to be re-printed every year. If they want to make us pay for a fresh background check every year (excessive and unnecessary) that is one thing, but re-printing is ridiculous. As John points out...it's not as if our fingerprints change! Someone with standing needs to appeal this soon, and if necessary file for an injunction. The requirement is overly burdensome and the 1000% increase is an unreasonable jump. As I don't have a magazine, I don't have legal standing or I'd do it myself... Peter Schurke Science Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of John Hornsby Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:05 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase So why submit the finger print card every year? Do they think that your fingers change on a yearly basis? You only have to submit one for a CWP and it's on file. I just don't get it. ? John --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Bryon Schopp wrote: From: Bryon Schopp Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase To: "Scott T Bowers" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 10:12 AM I called L & I and found out, and yes, you will have to submit fingerprints and pay the ~$50 fee for processing them each year. So it has gone from $10 a year to ~$100 per year for state L & I fees. I had the nice lady at L & I send me the renewal forms so I could get them in before the new fees go into effect Dec. 1. Bryon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott T Bowers" To: "'Bryon Schopp'" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > Yes, but because your government cares you are now safer. If you have no > money left for rockets or gas you surely have a slimmer chance of getting > hurt. > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:34 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > > I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives > storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me. > In > addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background > check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal > or > not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get > the > fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to > mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you > renew > before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high power > rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang for the > buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses > necessary for highpower. > > Bryon Schopp > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 3 14:15:09 2008 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6766@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: <407020.91215.qm@web54507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Maybe it's because of the whole explosive thing. They want a new finger print card because if your using real explosives then you might blow your fingers off and they want to keep a tallie of the lack there of. It's my opinion that it's a waist of time and money for all involved. ? John --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Schurke, Peter wrote: From: Schurke, Peter Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase To: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 11:33 AM As a teacher--also subject to mandatory fingerprinting--I only have to be fingerprinted once and then it's on file. We should not have to be re-printed every year. If they want to make us pay for a fresh background check every year (excessive and unnecessary) that is one thing, but re-printing is ridiculous. As John points out...it's not as if our fingerprints change! Someone with standing needs to appeal this soon, and if necessary file for an injunction. The requirement is overly burdensome and the 1000% increase is an unreasonable jump. As I don't have a magazine, I don't have legal standing or I'd do it myself... Peter Schurke Science Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of John Hornsby Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:05 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase So why submit the finger print card every year? Do they think that your fingers change on a yearly basis? You only have to submit one for a CWP and it's on file. I just don't get it. ? John --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Bryon Schopp wrote: From: Bryon Schopp Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase To: "Scott T Bowers" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 10:12 AM I called L & I and found out, and yes, you will have to submit fingerprints and pay the ~$50 fee for processing them each year. So it has gone from $10 a year to ~$100 per year for state L & I fees. I had the nice lady at L & I send me the renewal forms so I could get them in before the new fees go into effect Dec. 1. Bryon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott T Bowers" To: "'Bryon Schopp'" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > Yes, but because your government cares you are now safer. If you have no > money left for rockets or gas you surely have a slimmer chance of getting > hurt. > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:34 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > > I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives > storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me. > In > addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background > check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal > or > not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get > the > fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to > mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you > renew > before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high power > rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang for the > buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses > necessary for highpower. > > Bryon Schopp > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Maybe it's because of the whole explosive thing. They want a new finger print card because if your using real explosives then you might blow your fingers off and they want to keep a tallie of the lack there of. It's my opinion that it's a waist of time and money for all involved. ? John --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Schurke, Peter wrote: From: Schurke, Peter Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase To: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 11:33 AM As a teacher--also subject to mandatory fingerprinting--I only have to be fingerprinted once and then it's on file. We should not have to be re-printed every year. If they want to make us pay for a fresh background check every year (excessive and unnecessary) that is one thing, but re-printing is ridiculous. As John points out...it's not as if our fingerprints change! Someone with standing needs to appeal this soon, and if necessary file for an injunction. The requirement is overly burdensome and the 1000% increase is an unreasonable jump. As I don't have a magazine, I don't have legal standing or I'd do it myself... Peter Schurke Science Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of John Hornsby Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:05 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase So why submit the finger print card every year? Do they think that your fingers change on a yearly basis? You only have to submit one for a CWP and it's on file. I just don't get it. ? John --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Bryon Schopp wrote: From: Bryon Schopp Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase To: "Scott T Bowers" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 10:12 AM I called L & I and found out, and yes, you will have to submit fingerprints and pay the ~$50 fee for processing them each year. So it has gone from $10 a year to ~$100 per year for state L & I fees. I had the nice lady at L & I send me the renewal forms so I could get them in before the new fees go into effect Dec. 1. Bryon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott T Bowers" To: "'Bryon Schopp'" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > Yes, but because your government cares you are now safer. If you have no > money left for rockets or gas you surely have a slimmer chance of getting > hurt. > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:34 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > > I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives > storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me. > In > addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background > check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal > or > not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get > the > fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to > mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you > renew > before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high power > rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang for the > buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses > necessary for highpower. > > Bryon Schopp > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jim at jmw29221.com Wed Sep 3 14:25:19 2008 From: jim at jmw29221.com (Jim Wilkerson) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Scott Berfield Message-ID: <14386.130.76.32.182.1220477119.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Scott - could you please contact me off-list? Thanks Jim From dmrandall at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 14:35:34 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:35:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increas In-Reply-To: <407020.91215.qm@web54507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6766@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> <407020.91215.qm@web54507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bc920e40809031435pd7d75ddqaaa4e43633d545f2@mail.gmail.com> Or, most likely, just a way to keep the cash flow comin' in... - dave From ghuber at landacorp.com Wed Sep 3 16:38:40 2008 From: ghuber at landacorp.com (Geoff Huber) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:38:40 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase In-Reply-To: <266470.83488.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <266470.83488.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Because you are paying them $50 to process one. It would be silly of you to pay a $50 processing fee if they had nothing to process..... :\ -----Original Message----- "So why submit the finger print card every year? Do they think that your fingers change on a yearly basis? You only have to submit one for a CWP and it's on file. I just don't get it." ? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Scanned with Copfilter Version 0.84beta3a (ProxSMTP 1.6) AntiVirus: ClamAV 0.91.2/8151 - Wed Sep 3 12:52:10 2008 by Markus Madlener @ http://www.copfilter.org From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 18:53:34 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:53:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon Message-ID: <003e01c90e31$0b82fd10$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Attention, OregonRocketry on September 20th and 21st 2008 is hosting the Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon. This is one of OregonRocketry's largest and most popular launches of the year. This launch is close to the Portland area and the field is great for flying rockets. This launch is for commercial motors only, no research motors. Saturday's launch time is 8:00am to 10:00pm. Sunday's launch time is 8:00am to 4:00pm. We certainly hope you can join us for a great weekend of flying rockets and much much more. Have you ever been to a Sheridan launch? Join us again. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the event and show them first hand how much fun model, sport and high power rocketry is for everyone. If you've never been to a Sheridan launch, join us for a weekend of great fun. Launch fees for non-members and their families are $10.00 per day or $15.00 for the weekend. There is no charge for spectators. Please review and understand the OregonRocketry range policies at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc-launch.htm OregonRocketry's launch schedule is located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-launch.htm Directions to the launch site at Sheridan are located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-sher.htm Special Showcase Event: Tracking and Recovery (Saturday at 7:00pm, LCO table area) During the evening at about 7:00pm we will be hosting a showcase exploring rocket recovery and tracking. We encourage members to bring and display their tracking devices, recovery aids (such as amatuer radio equipment), and other techniques used to increase the chances of successfully recovering a rocket. We certainly hope you can join us for what should be a great time. Share with us your successes and techniques. Like to explore what others are doing to recover their rockets? Then stop by the event and participate. Share how you use your surroundings and points to recover a rocket. Join us at the LCO table area for the Showcase Event: Tracking and Recovery. Also planned for the showcase event : - How to pack wadding and chutes - so they don't get tangled or shredded, - How to install your igniter - so it won't just pop without lighting the motor, - How to set up your rocket on the pad - without bending the launch rod, - How to clean and attach the clip leads - to get REAL continuity. We are less than a month from the event and reminding everyone of the event. Also we must be sure we have the ground support volunteers necessary to hold this event. Similar to other launch events we look for OROC members to participate in various responsibilities to ensure we all can enjoy the weekend of rocketry. Setup: The OROC trailer will be arriving on Friday afternoon for setup. Mark Gholston will be delivering the trailer on Friday and returning it on Sunday. Anyone planning to be there on Friday afternoon, we are hoping you can help with setup. If are planning to arrive on Friday afternoon and are willing to help with the setup of the ground support equipment; please email me off list. Teardown: On Sunday beginning at 2:00pm (depends upon flying activities), we are going to need some people to help teardown the equipment and pack the trailer. If you plan to be there Sunday afternoon and willing to offer assistance with teardown, please email me off list. LCO (Launch Control Officer): We will be asking for members to help with covering the LCO duties. We'll have a sign-up form at the LCO table for contributing to this task. Assignments can be as short as one hour. We certainly do not want to prevent you from flying and having a great time. We all want that. Your assistance will help so that everyone has the opporuntity to fly and have fun. LCO appointments only require a TRA (Tripoli) or NAR (National Association of Rocketry) membership holding a L1 certification or higher. Never been an LCO ? It only takes a few minutes for training and rules. RSO (Range Safety Officer): We will be asking the members to help with covering the RSO duties. Because of the number of flights we're expecting at the Sheridan launch event, we are asking we keep an RSO active at all times. RSO coverage requires you to be an active member of NAR or TRA and be a L2 certified flyer or higher. Instruction to become an RSO will take only a short period of instruction and is required. Several things to look for when evaluating rockets. Same as the LCO duties, a sign-up sheet will be available beginning Saturday morning at the LCO table. Launch meetings: At 9:30 the OROC BoD will be hosting a brief flyers meeting. This meeting will discuss the rules and guidelines of this particular launch, land owner requirements, OROC rules / safety, and other business. Waiver opens at 8:00am, so flying begins at 8:00am. You do not need to wait after the flyers meeting to fly rockets. Flights can begin as soon as the waiver is officially open. Tripoli Certifications: There will be no opportunities to certify with Tripoli at this event. Tripoli members that want to certify (L1 and L2 only) may do so by becoming a NAR member. Or by waiting until another OROC launch. National Association of Rocketry (NAR) Certifications: NAR members wishing to certify during the event should contact OROC President Steve Tarr and acknowledge your plans at the launch. Tripoli members wishing to certify during this launch, please be prepared to either join NAR or show your NAR membership information. L2 certifications will require completion of a L2 NAR written test before the flight. Waiver for the weekend: The Sheridan launch will have a waiver of 5,000 feet AGL (Above Ground Level). You are welcome to fly any rocket with impulse rating of 1/4A and above. Rockets with impulse rating H and I will require that you have estimated the altitude with the motor in your rocket. Providing simulation data that demonstrates that your rocket will remain below 5,000 feet will be greatly appreciated. J impulse and above will require simulation paperwork. There are many altitude prediction tools available both on the web and as software (such as RocSim). Anyone planning an L1 or L2 certification will be required to show predicted altitude of the rocket. Summary: We at OregonRocketry hope you can join us for what should be a very exciting weekend of model, sport and high power rocketry. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the launch so they can experience the fun and excitement. Everyone at the launch will be required to have a "OregonRocketry Sheridan 2008" wristband. Flyers and spectators are required to wear a wristband. I recently learned how to print wristband blanks on my printer. As a result we will have custom wristbands specific to this event. On top of all this, we promise no exposure to political ads. OROC Meeting with more information: More details about the Sheridan launch will be discussed during the next monthly meeting. The next OregonRocketry meeting is September 4th 2008. Dinner/social gathering at 6:30pm ish and general meeting at 7:30pm at Giovanni's in Beaverton. Giovanni's is located at 12390 SW Broadway (corner of Broadway and Hall blvd) in downtown Beavertown. OregonRocketry meetings are open to the public. NAR, TRA, or OregonRocketry membership is encouraged, but not required to attend a meeting. -------------- next part -------------- Attention, OregonRocketry on September 20th and 21st 2008 is hosting the Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon. This is one of OregonRocketry's largest and most popular launches of the year. This launch is close to the Portland area and the field is great for flying rockets. This launch is for commercial motors only, no research motors. Saturday's launch time is 8:00am to 10:00pm. Sunday's launch time is 8:00am to 4:00pm. We certainly hope you can join us for a great weekend of flying rockets and much much more. Have you ever been to a Sheridan launch? Join us again. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the event and show them first hand how much fun model, sport and high power rocketry is for everyone. If you've never been to a Sheridan launch, join us for a weekend of great fun. Launch fees for non-members and their families are $10.00 per day or $15.00 for the weekend. There is no charge for spectators. Please review and understand the OregonRocketry range policies at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc-launch.htm http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc-launch.htm OregonRocketry's launch schedule is located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-launch.htm http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-launch.htm Directions to the launch site at Sheridan are located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-sher.htm http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-sher.htm Special Showcase Event: Tracking and Recovery (Saturday at 7:00pm, LCO table area) During the evening at about 7:00pm we will be hosting a showcase exploring rocket recovery and tracking. We encourage members to bring and display their tracking devices, recovery aids (such as amatuer radio equipment), and other techniques used to increase the chances of successfully recovering a rocket. We certainly hope you can join us for what should be a great time. Share with us your successes and techniques. Like to explore what others are doing to recover their rockets? Then stop by the event and participate. Share how you use your surroundings and points to recover a rocket. Join us at the LCO table area for the Showcase Event: Tracking and Recovery. Also planned for the showcase event : - How to pack wadding and chutes - so they don't get tangled or shredded, - How to install your igniter - so it won't just pop without lighting the motor, - How to set up your rocket on the pad - without bending the launch rod, - How to clean and attach the clip leads - to get REAL continuity. We are less than a month from the event and reminding everyone of the event. Also we must be sure we have the ground support volunteers necessary to hold this event. Similar to other launch events we look for OROC members to participate in various responsibilities to ensure we all can enjoy the weekend of rocketry. Setup: The OROC trailer will be arriving on Friday afternoon for setup. Mark Gholston will be delivering the trailer on Friday and returning it on Sunday. Anyone planning to be there on Friday afternoon, we are hoping you can help with setup. If are planning to arrive on Friday afternoon and are willing to help with the setup of the ground support equipment; please email me off list. Teardown: On Sunday beginning at 2:00pm (depends upon flying activities), we are going to need some people to help teardown the equipment and pack the trailer. If you plan to be there Sunday afternoon and willing to offer assistance with teardown, please email me off list. LCO (Launch Control Officer): We will be asking for members to help with covering the LCO duties. We'll have a sign-up form at the LCO table for contributing to this task. Assignments can be as short as one hour. We certainly do not want to prevent you from flying and having a great time. We all want that. Your assistance will help so that everyone has the opporuntity to fly and have fun. LCO appointments only require a TRA (Tripoli) or NAR (National Association of Rocketry) membership holding a L1 certification or higher. Never been an LCO ? It only takes a few minutes for training and rules. RSO (Range Safety Officer): We will be asking the members to help with covering the RSO duties. Because of the number of flights we're expecting at the Sheridan launch event, we are asking we keep an RSO active at all times. RSO coverage requires you to be an active member of NAR or TRA and be a L2 certified flyer or higher. Instruction to become an RSO will take only a short period of instruction and is required. Several things to look for when evaluating rockets. Same as the LCO duties, a sign-up sheet will be available beginning Saturday morning at the LCO table. Launch meetings: At 9:30 the OROC BoD will be hosting a brief flyers meeting. This meeting will discuss the rules and guidelines of this particular launch, land owner requirements, OROC rules / safety, and other business. Waiver opens at 8:00am, so flying begins at 8:00am. You do not need to wait after the flyers meeting to fly rockets. Flights can begin as soon as the waiver is officially open. Tripoli Certifications: There will be no opportunities to certify with Tripoli at this event. Tripoli members that want to certify (L1 and L2 only) may do so by becoming a NAR member. Or by waiting until another OROC launch. National Association of Rocketry (NAR) Certifications: NAR members wishing to certify during the event should contact OROC President Steve Tarr and acknowledge your plans at the launch. Tripoli members wishing to certify during this launch, please be prepared to either join NAR or show your NAR membership information. L2 certifications will require completion of a L2 NAR written test before the flight. Waiver for the weekend: The Sheridan launch will have a waiver of 5,000 feet AGL (Above Ground Level). You are welcome to fly any rocket with impulse rating of 1/4A and above. Rockets with impulse rating H and I will require that you have estimated the altitude with the motor in your rocket. Providing simulation data that demonstrates that your rocket will remain below 5,000 feet will be greatly appreciated. J impulse and above will require simulation paperwork. There are many altitude prediction tools available both on the web and as software (such as RocSim). Anyone planning an L1 or L2 certification will be required to show predicted altitude of the rocket. Summary: We at OregonRocketry hope you can join us for what should be a very exciting weekend of model, sport and high power rocketry. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the launch so they can experience the fun and excitement. Everyone at the launch will be required to have a "OregonRocketry Sheridan 2008" wristband. Flyers and spectators are required to wear a wristband. I recently learned how to print wristband blanks on my printer. As a result we will have custom wristbands specific to this event. On top of all this, we promise no exposure to political ads. OROC Meeting with more information: More details about the Sheridan launch will be discussed during the next monthly meeting. The next OregonRocketry meeting is September 4th 2008. Dinner/social gathering at 6:30pm ish and general meeting at 7:30pm at Giovanni's in Beaverton. Giovanni's is located at 12390 SW Broadway (corner of Broadway and Hall blvd) in downtown Beavertown. OregonRocketry meetings are open to the public. NAR, TRA, or OregonRocketry membership is encouraged, but not required to attend a meeting. From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Wed Sep 3 18:59:28 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:59:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Space-X explains what happened to Falcon 1 Flight #003 this week Message-ID: <48BF4100.5090509@earthlink.net> For those who are interested in following the progress of one of the newest players in the space game, and were disappointed with the failure of Falcon 1 Flight 003 to reach low earth orbit earlier this week, comes some news. Space-X founder Elon Musk has posted an explanation of what apparently happened to the package to cause the failure - something most amateur rocketeers have seen, though it probably doesn't cause us the same problem - the first stage rocket didn't quite quit giving some thrust after the separation charge blew, and it crashed into the second stage. http://www.spacex.com/updates.php There's some very high quality video that shows the problem (pay close attention to the last 10 seconds of the video) on: http://mfile.akamai.com/22165/wmv/sp...165/F1-003.asx From bar0051 at homenetnw.net Wed Sep 3 19:23:02 2008 From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net (Bryon Schopp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:23:02 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase References: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6766@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: Jennifer Hall, the very nice lady I talked to at L & I, said that the yearly fingerprint thing was the State Patrol's requirement. Her predecessor told me that the State Patrol had issued orders to all state agencies that only they could process fingerprints and all would have to be routed through them. She said that it was a ploy to get a bigger budget. I told Jennifer that I was going to get my fingerprints changed, and while I was at it, I would have my DNA changed :) We both had a laugh. Bryon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schurke, Peter" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase As a teacher--also subject to mandatory fingerprinting--I only have to be fingerprinted once and then it's on file. We should not have to be re-printed every year. If they want to make us pay for a fresh background check every year (excessive and unnecessary) that is one thing, but re-printing is ridiculous. As John points out...it's not as if our fingerprints change! Someone with standing needs to appeal this soon, and if necessary file for an injunction. The requirement is overly burdensome and the 1000% increase is an unreasonable jump. As I don't have a magazine, I don't have legal standing or I'd do it myself... Peter Schurke Science Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of John Hornsby Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:05 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase So why submit the finger print card every year? Do they think that your fingers change on a yearly basis? You only have to submit one for a CWP and it's on file. I just don't get it. John --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Bryon Schopp wrote: From: Bryon Schopp Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase To: "Scott T Bowers" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 10:12 AM I called L & I and found out, and yes, you will have to submit fingerprints and pay the ~$50 fee for processing them each year. So it has gone from $10 a year to ~$100 per year for state L & I fees. I had the nice lady at L & I send me the renewal forms so I could get them in before the new fees go into effect Dec. 1. Bryon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott T Bowers" To: "'Bryon Schopp'" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > Yes, but because your government cares you are now safer. If you have no > money left for rockets or gas you surely have a slimmer chance of getting > hurt. > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:34 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > > I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives > storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me. > In > addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background > check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal > or > not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get > the > fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to > mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you > renew > before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high power > rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang for the > buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses > necessary for highpower. > > Bryon Schopp > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jhadv at pacifier.com Wed Sep 3 21:47:56 2008 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 8, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60427.71.59.209.163.1220503676.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> "You only have to submit one for a CWP and it's on file. I just don't get it." Because the power to tax is beyond legal challenge and it makes revenue for the state. Pay no income tax, pay lots of user taxes. Republicans are famous for that. Low income taxes but high user taxes and declining real wages with increasing commodity prices. They get their money one way or the other but the way they figure it the other way gets them elected versus the up-front way. They could do the same on guns except for the political lobby. Sure anyone can own a handgun just pay the tax which they can make absorbent without fear of legal challenge. According to the case law the government can tax whomever, however they please. It's called plenary authority and the courts have defined it so broadly that the draft for military service is legal because it is adjudged to be a tax where you pay with your life. That's the case history believe it or not. It's all constitutional. From jhadv at pacifier.com Thu Sep 4 07:37:19 2008 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:37:19 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry on September 20th and 21st 2008 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20080904073610.0345be08@mail.iinet.com> Will there be a vendor at the launch? I notice where Sun River is advertising their gear at XPRS so I assume they will be in Kansas? From absworld at cet.com Thu Sep 4 09:33:33 2008 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob and Ann Yanecek) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:33:33 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c90eab$fa652960$251ecac6@CADDANCE> My nasty gram from L&I showed up yesterday :-( My call to the 'nice lady' (aka Jennifer Hall) revealed a few details. Yes, everyone needs to get fingerprinted annually (rational is that over time there is an increasing probability that previous fingerprint cards could be altered). My 'Type of license' is PURCHASER (type P) so the new rate is 'only' $25 + fingerprint fees). Only dealers, blasters, and/or Manufactures get hit with the $50 fee. While the letter states "Anyone who wishes to renew early may do so using the old fee schedule" only applies to those who expire this year. I'm a February unit so SOL on getting one more year at the old fees. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:12 AM To: Scott T Bowers; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase I called L & I and found out, and yes, you will have to submit fingerprints and pay the ~$50 fee for processing them each year. So it has gone from $10 a year to ~$100 per year for state L & I fees. I had the nice lady at L & I send me the renewal forms so I could get them in before the new fees go into effect Dec. 1. Bryon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott T Bowers" To: "'Bryon Schopp'" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > Yes, but because your government cares you are now safer. If you have no > money left for rockets or gas you surely have a slimmer chance of getting > hurt. > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:34 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > > I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives > storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me. > In > addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background > check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal > or > not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get > the > fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to > mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you > renew > before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high power > rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang for the > buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses > necessary for highpower. > > Bryon Schopp > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1651 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:57 AM From robert.krausert at intel.com Thu Sep 4 10:02:21 2008 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:02:21 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry on September 20th and 21st 2008 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20080904073610.0345be08@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20080904073610.0345be08@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E095D436C@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Hi Paul, Last I heard is that Sunriver is planning to be at the Sheridan launch. In fact Bob is planning to bring the G79's I'll need for the drag race and a couple other motors for me. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 7:37 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry on September 20th and 21st 2008 Will there be a vendor at the launch? I notice where Sun River is advertising their gear at XPRS so I assume they will be in Kansas? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Thu Sep 4 10:47:18 2008 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:47:18 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Sunriver Update............September 3rd version Message-ID: Greetings all, Just a quick heads up on our plans for the fall. We will be attending the Dayton Washington Launch (http://www.bmr615.org/) 9/12- 14 . We are planning on just bringing 29 and 38mm motors to this launch, so if you need 54mm, please let me know. We will be at the OROC launch in Sheridan, 9/20-21 arriving on Friday, if the weather allows. We have plenty of the Aerotech L1 & L2 motor PROMOS, so we should have everyone covered. However, we are not ordering any HIGH POWER MOTORS between Dayton and Sheridan, so we will have a decent stock before going to Dayton, so I don't expect any issues. G and below motors will be ordered between the two launches. However, we will not be arriving to the October launch in Brothers until very late on Saturday, Oct. 11th, since we are tied up on the 10th and won't be able to get out to the site until late on Saturday. Since neither of our people that can handle motors are able to get there early, please plan ahead. Those of you with LEUP's can pick up motors before the launch in Bend/Redmond or at the Sheridan launch. I have sent a email to PSP and they will try to attend, so hopefully fliers can have a vendor there early on Saturday. This is just a heads up, so you can all plan ahead. Thanks, and now back to your normal scheduled rocket stuff...... Bob -------------- next part -------------- Sunriver Update............September 3rd version Greetings all, Just a quick heads up on our plans for the fall. We will be attending the Dayton Washington Launch? (http://www.bmr615.org/) 9/12- 14 . We are planning on just bringing 29 and 38mm motors to this launch, so if you need 54mm, please let me know. We will be at the OROC launch in Sheridan, 9/20-21 arriving on Friday, if the weather allows. We have plenty of the Aerotech L1 & L2 motor PROMOS, so we should have everyone covered. However, we are not ordering any HIGH POWER MOTORS between Dayton and Sheridan, so we will have a decent stock before going to Dayton, so I don't expect any issues. G and below motors will be ordered between the two launches. However, we will not be arriving to the October launch in Brothers until very late on Saturday, Oct. 11th, since we are tied up on the 10th and won't be able to get out to the site until late on Saturday. Since neither of our people that can handle motors are able to get there early, please plan ahead. Those of you with LEUP's can pick up motors before the launch in Bend/Redmond or at the Sheridan launch. I have sent a email to PSP and they will try to? attend, so hopefully fliers can have a vendor there early on Saturday. This is just a heads up, so you can all plan ahead. Thanks, and now back to your normal scheduled rocket stuff...... Bob From Mfreptiles at aol.com Thu Sep 4 14:09:29 2008 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:09:29 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] RMS hardware for sale Message-ID: I recently came across a hidden stash of low serial number Aerotech and Dr. Rocket hardware dating back to 1994-1996. Here's your chance to own a piece of early HPR history. Most of these have never been fired. I'll bring to the OROC meeting and Sheridan launch. Cash, check, Visa and Mastercard gladly accepted. Here's a list: Aerotech RMS-54/1706 Serial number: 978 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $120 Dr. Rocket RMS-54/1706 Serial number: 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $120 Dr. Rocket RMS-54/1280 Serial number 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $110 Dr. Rocket RMS-54/852 Serial number 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $100 Would sell the last three as a matched set for $300 Aerotech RMS-38/600 Serial number: 533 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $80 Dr. Rocket RMS-38/480 Serial number: 084 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $75 Aerotech RMS-38/240 Serial number: 478 Manufacture date: 03/94 Complete motor with closures, this motor has flown. $50 Aerotech RMS-29/180 Serial number: 981 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with Dr. Rocket closures never fired. $50 Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- I recently came across a hidden stash of low serial number Aerotech and Dr. Rocket hardware dating back to 1994-1996.? Here's your chance to own a piece of early HPR history.? Most of these have never been fired.? I'll bring to the OROC meeting and Sheridan launch.? Cash, check, Visa and Mastercard gladly accepted. ? Here's a list: ? Aerotech RMS-54/1706 Serial number: 978 Manufacture date: 02/96? Complete motor with closures never fired. $120 ? Dr. Rocket RMS-54/1706 Serial number: 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $120 Dr. Rocket RMS-54/1280 Serial number 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $110 Dr. Rocket RMS-54/852 Serial number 132 Manufacture date: 08/96?Complete motor with closures never fired.?$100 ? Would sell the last three as a matched set for $300 ? Aerotech RMS-38/600 Serial number: 533 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $80 Dr. Rocket RMS-38/480 Serial number: 084 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $75 Aerotech RMS-38/240 Serial number: 478 Manufacture date: 03/94 Complete motor with closures, this motor has flown. $50 Aerotech RMS-29/180 Serial number: 981 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with Dr. Rocket closures never fired. $50 ? Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design ? It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047 here . From vonrang at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 15:04:51 2008 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] RMS hardware for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <997365.53431.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'll take: "Aerotech RMS-38/600 Serial number: 533 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $80" Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Mfreptiles at aol.com wrote: > From: Mfreptiles at aol.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] RMS hardware for sale > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 2:09 PM > I recently came across a hidden stash of low serial number > Aerotech and Dr. > Rocket hardware dating back to 1994-1996. Here's your > chance to own a piece > of early HPR history. Most of these have never been fired. > I'll bring to > the OROC meeting and Sheridan launch. Cash, check, Visa > and Mastercard gladly > accepted. > > Here's a list: > > Aerotech RMS-54/1706 Serial number: 978 Manufacture date: > 02/96 Complete > motor with closures never fired. $120 > > Dr. Rocket RMS-54/1706 Serial number: 132 Manufacture date: > 08/96 Complete > motor with closures never fired. $120 > Dr. Rocket RMS-54/1280 Serial number 132 Manufacture date: > 08/96 Complete > motor with closures never fired. $110 > Dr. Rocket RMS-54/852 Serial number 132 Manufacture date: > 08/96 Complete > motor with closures never fired. $100 > > Would sell the last three as a matched set for $300 > > Aerotech RMS-38/600 Serial number: 533 Manufacture date: > 02/96 Complete > motor with closures never fired. $80 > Dr. Rocket RMS-38/480 Serial number: 084 Manufacture date: > 08/96 Complete > motor with closures never fired. $75 > Aerotech RMS-38/240 Serial number: 478 Manufacture date: > 03/94 Complete > motor with closures, this motor has flown. $50 > Aerotech RMS-29/180 Serial number: 981 Manufacture date: > 02/96 Complete > motor with Dr. Rocket closures never fired. $50 > > Thanks, > Mike Fisher > Binder Design > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you > want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From martyweiser at ccser.com Thu Sep 4 18:21:24 2008 From: martyweiser at ccser.com (Marty Weiser) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:21:24 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase In-Reply-To: <000001c90eab$fa652960$251ecac6@CADDANCE> Message-ID: <61BD2115BC71460BA9D3023FDFE4FA38@WeiserAdminPC> So the rational behind annual fingerprint cards is that the Washington State Patrol is incapable of maintaining the integrity of the fingerprint cards that they lobbied the legislature to be in charge of. Interesting! Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Ann Yanecek Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:34 AM To: 'Bryon Schopp'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: bluemountainrocketeers at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase My nasty gram from L&I showed up yesterday :-( My call to the 'nice lady' (aka Jennifer Hall) revealed a few details. Yes, everyone needs to get fingerprinted annually (rational is that over time there is an increasing probability that previous fingerprint cards could be altered). My 'Type of license' is PURCHASER (type P) so the new rate is 'only' $25 + fingerprint fees). Only dealers, blasters, and/or Manufactures get hit with the $50 fee. While the letter states "Anyone who wishes to renew early may do so using the old fee schedule" only applies to those who expire this year. I'm a February unit so SOL on getting one more year at the old fees. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:12 AM To: Scott T Bowers; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase I called L & I and found out, and yes, you will have to submit fingerprints and pay the ~$50 fee for processing them each year. So it has gone from $10 a year to ~$100 per year for state L & I fees. I had the nice lady at L & I send me the renewal forms so I could get them in before the new fees go into effect Dec. 1. Bryon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott T Bowers" To: "'Bryon Schopp'" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > Yes, but because your government cares you are now safer. If you have no > money left for rockets or gas you surely have a slimmer chance of getting > hurt. > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:34 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > > I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for explosives > storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for me. > In > addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and background > check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each renewal > or > not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to get > the > fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not to > mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if you > renew > before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high power > rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang for the > buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses > necessary for highpower. > > Bryon Schopp > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1651 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:57 AM _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From kent.newman at comcast.net Thu Sep 4 20:07:43 2008 From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:07:43 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Aerospace Meeting Message-ID: The WAC meeting scheduled for this Saturday, September 6, is being postponed to the following week, Saturday, September 13. We apologize for the inconvenience. Kent Newman -------------- next part -------------- The WAC meeting scheduled for this Saturday, September 6, is being postponed to the following week, Saturday, September 13. ? We apologize for the inconvenience. ? Kent Newman From Mfreptiles at aol.com Thu Sep 4 21:54:47 2008 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:54:47 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] RMS hardware for sale (UPDATE) Message-ID: Updating what's still available. Aerotech RMS-54/1706 Serial number: 978 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $120 SOLD TO IAN LOVE Dr. Rocket RMS-54/1706 Serial number: 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $120 SOLD TO GARY HARRIS Dr. Rocket RMS-54/1280 Serial number 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $110 STILL AVAILABLE Dr. Rocket RMS-54/852 Serial number 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $100 STILL AVAILABLE Aerotech RMS-38/600 Serial number: 533 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $80 SOLD TO SAM GRADO Dr. Rocket RMS-38/480 Serial number: 084 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $75 STILL AVAILABLE Aerotech RMS-38/240 Serial number: 478 Manufacture date: 03/94 Complete motor with closures, this motor has flown. $50 STILL AVAILABLE Aerotech RMS-29/180 Serial number: 981 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with Dr. Rocket closures never fired. $50 STILL AVAILABLE Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) I recently came across a hidden stash of low serial number Aerotech and Dr. Rocket hardware dating back to 1994-1996. Here's your chance to own a piece of early HPR history. Most of these have never been fired. I'll bring to the OROC meeting and Sheridan launch. Cash, check, Visa and Mastercard gladly accepted. Here's a list: Aerotech RMS-54/1706 Serial number: 978 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $120 Dr. Rocket RMS-54/1706 Serial number: 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $120 Dr. Rocket RMS-54/1280 Serial number 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $110 Dr. Rocket RMS-54/852 Serial number 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $100 Would sell the last three as a matched set for $300 Aerotech RMS-38/600 Serial number: 533 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $80 Dr. Rocket RMS-38/480 Serial number: 084 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $75 Aerotech RMS-38/240 Serial number: 478 Manufacture date: 03/94 Complete motor with closures, this motor has flown. $50 Aerotech RMS-29/180 Serial number: 981 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with Dr. Rocket closures never fired. $50 Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047 here . _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- Updating what's still available. ? Aerotech RMS-54/1706 Serial number: 978 Manufacture date: 02/96?? Complete motor with closures never fired. $120? SOLD TO IAN LOVE Dr. Rocket RMS-54/1706 Serial number: 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete? motor with closures never fired. $120? SOLD TO GARY HARRIS Dr. Rocket RMS-54/1280 Serial number 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete? motor with closures never fired. $110? STILL AVAILABLE Dr. Rocket RMS-54/852 Serial number 132 Manufacture date:? 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $100 STILL AVAILABLE Aerotech RMS-38/600 Serial number: 533 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete? motor with closures never fired. $80? SOLD TO SAM GRADO Dr. Rocket RMS-38/480 Serial number: 084 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete? motor with closures never fired. $75? STILL AVAILABLE Aerotech RMS-38/240 Serial number: 478 Manufacture date: 03/94 Complete? motor with closures, this motor has flown. $50 STILL AVAILABLE Aerotech RMS-29/180 Serial number: 981 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete? motor with Dr. Rocket closures never fired. $50 STILL AVAILABLE Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.? ? ? (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) I recently came across a hidden stash of low serial number Aerotech and Dr. Rocket hardware dating back to 1994-1996.? Here's your chance to own a piece of early HPR history.? Most of these have never been fired.? I'll bring to the OROC meeting and Sheridan launch.? Cash, check, Visa and Mastercard gladly accepted. ? Here's a list: ? Aerotech RMS-54/1706 Serial number: 978 Manufacture date: 02/96? Complete motor with closures never fired. $120 ? Dr. Rocket RMS-54/1706 Serial number: 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $120 Dr. Rocket RMS-54/1280 Serial number 132 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $110 Dr. Rocket RMS-54/852 Serial number 132 Manufacture date: 08/96?Complete motor with closures never fired.?$100 ? Would sell the last three as a matched set for $300 ? Aerotech RMS-38/600 Serial number: 533 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $80 Dr. Rocket RMS-38/480 Serial number: 084 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $75 Aerotech RMS-38/240 Serial number: 478 Manufacture date: 03/94 Complete motor with closures, this motor has flown. $50 Aerotech RMS-29/180 Serial number: 981 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with Dr. Rocket closures never fired. $50 ? Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design ? It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047 here . _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? ? It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047 here . From Mfreptiles at aol.com Fri Sep 5 11:26:27 2008 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:26:27 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] RMS hardware for sale (UPDATE#2) Message-ID: Thanks to the overwhelming response, all the bigger motors are sold. Three smaller motors listed below are all that's left. Dr. Rocket RMS-38/480 Serial number: 084 Manufacture date: 08/96 Complete motor with closures never fired. $75 STILL AVAILABLE Aerotech RMS-38/240 Serial number: 478 Manufacture date: 03/94 Complete motor with closures, this motor has flown. $50 STILL AVAILABLE Aerotech RMS-29/180 Serial number: 981 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with Dr. Rocket closures never fired. $50 STILL AVAILABLE Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder Design **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) -------------- next part -------------- Thanks to the overwhelming response, all the bigger motors are sold.? Three smaller motors listed below are all that's left.? Dr. Rocket RMS-38/480 Serial number: 084 Manufacture date: 08/96? Complete? motor with closures never fired. $75? STILL? AVAILABLE Aerotech RMS-38/240 Serial number: 478 Manufacture date: 03/94? Complete? motor with closures, this motor has flown. $50 STILL? AVAILABLE Aerotech RMS-29/180 Serial number: 981 Manufacture date: 02/96? Complete? motor with Dr. Rocket closures never fired. $50 STILL? AVAILABLE Thanks, Mike Fisher Binder? Design ? Psssst...Have you heard the news? http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014 There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com . From vonrang at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 11:38:41 2008 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] RMS hardware for sale (UPDATE#2) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <587492.46808.qm@web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'll also get the Aerotech RMS-29/180 Serial number: 981 Manufacture date: 02/96 Complete motor with Dr. Rocket closures never fired. $50 STILL AVAILABLE Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Mfreptiles at aol.com wrote: > From: Mfreptiles at aol.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [AD] RMS hardware for sale (UPDATE#2) > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 11:26 AM > Thanks to the overwhelming response, all the bigger motors > are sold. Three > smaller motors listed below are all that's left. > > Dr. Rocket RMS-38/480 Serial number: 084 Manufacture date: > 08/96 Complete > motor with closures never fired. $75 STILL AVAILABLE > Aerotech RMS-38/240 Serial number: 478 Manufacture date: > 03/94 Complete > motor with closures, this motor has flown. $50 STILL > AVAILABLE > Aerotech RMS-29/180 Serial number: 981 Manufacture date: > 02/96 Complete > motor with Dr. Rocket closures never fired. $50 STILL > AVAILABLE > > Thanks, > Mike Fisher > Binder Design > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's > a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at > StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jhadv at pacifier.com Fri Sep 5 15:47:02 2008 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] 38-480 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49237.209.253.79.135.1220654822.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Hello. I will take the Dr. Rocket 38/480 serial number 084 for $75.00. As I did not see this e-mail beofr the OROC meeting yesterday I will pcik it up at the Sheridan launch if that's all right. Please let me know. Paul Bogdanich tra11654 at iinet.com > Send Rockets mailing list submissions to > rockets at rocketsnw.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rockets-request at rocketsnw.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [AD] RMS hardware for sale (UPDATE#2) (Sam Grado) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:38:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: Sam Grado > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [AD] RMS hardware for sale (UPDATE#2) > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com, Mfreptiles at aol.com > Message-ID: <587492.46808.qm at web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'll also get the Aerotech RMS-29/180 Serial number: 981 Manufacture date: > 02/96 Complete motor with Dr. Rocket closures never fired. $50 STILL > AVAILABLE > > > Sam Grado > TRA-L2 > > "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Mfreptiles at aol.com wrote: > >> From: Mfreptiles at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [AD] RMS hardware for sale (UPDATE#2) >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 11:26 AM >> Thanks to the overwhelming response, all the bigger motors >> are sold. Three >> smaller motors listed below are all that's left. >> >> Dr. Rocket RMS-38/480 Serial number: 084 Manufacture date: >> 08/96 Complete >> motor with closures never fired. $75 STILL AVAILABLE >> Aerotech RMS-38/240 Serial number: 478 Manufacture date: >> 03/94 Complete >> motor with closures, this motor has flown. $50 STILL >> AVAILABLE >> Aerotech RMS-29/180 Serial number: 981 Manufacture date: >> 02/96 Complete >> motor with Dr. Rocket closures never fired. $50 STILL >> AVAILABLE >> >> Thanks, >> Mike Fisher >> Binder Design >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's >> a new fashion blog, >> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at >> StyleList.com. >> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > End of Rockets Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6 > ************************************* > > From terry at mooreread.com Fri Sep 5 16:32:28 2008 From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:32:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase In-Reply-To: <61BD2115BC71460BA9D3023FDFE4FA38@WeiserAdminPC> References: <61BD2115BC71460BA9D3023FDFE4FA38@WeiserAdminPC> Message-ID: <969120F2-E7AE-479A-9490-3F5ACC2756B4@mooreread.com> That's about right ... they can't keep track of blood samples for criminal cases either. On Sep 4, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Marty Weiser wrote: > So the rational behind annual fingerprint cards is that the > Washington State > Patrol is incapable of maintaining the integrity of the fingerprint > cards > that they lobbied the legislature to be in charge of. Interesting! > > Marty > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > ] > On Behalf Of Bob and Ann Yanecek > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:34 AM > To: 'Bryon Schopp'; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Cc: bluemountainrocketeers at googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > > My nasty gram from L&I showed up yesterday :-( > > My call to the 'nice lady' (aka Jennifer Hall) revealed a few details. > > Yes, everyone needs to get fingerprinted annually (rational is that > over > time there is an increasing probability that previous fingerprint > cards > could be altered). > > My 'Type of license' is PURCHASER (type P) so the new rate is 'only' > $25 > + fingerprint fees). Only dealers, blasters, and/or Manufactures get > hit with the $50 fee. > > While the letter states "Anyone who wishes to renew early may do so > using the old fee schedule" only applies to those who expire this > year. > I'm a February unit so SOL on getting one more year at the old fees. > > Bob Yanecek > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:12 AM > To: Scott T Bowers; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > > I called L & I and found out, and yes, you will have to submit > fingerprints > and pay the ~$50 fee for processing them each year. So it has gone > from > $10 > a year to ~$100 per year for state L & I fees. I had the nice lady > at L > & I > send me the renewal forms so I could get them in before the new fees > go > into > effect Dec. 1. > > Bryon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott T Bowers" > To: "'Bryon Schopp'" ; > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:30 PM > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase > > >> Yes, but because your government cares you are now safer. If you have > no >> money left for rockets or gas you surely have a slimmer chance of > getting >> hurt. >> >> Scott T. Bowers >> www.scottsrockets.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >> On Behalf Of Bryon Schopp >> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:34 PM >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: [RocketsNW] State of Washington L & I fee increase >> >> I got a letter from L & I today saying that the license fee for > explosives >> storage up to 200 lb is going up to $50, that is a 500% increase for > me. >> In >> addition, you will have to pay $49.25 for the fingerprint and > background >> check. I does not make it clear if that has to be paid with each > renewal >> or >> not. If so, that would be over $100 per year (I also had to pay to > get >> the >> fingerprints taken at the local cop shop) for the state licenses, not > to >> mention the Feds. These new fees go into effect Dec.1 2008, so if >> you > >> renew >> before that the old fee's apply. I am not sure I can afford high > power >> rocketry at this rate, I always thought midpower was the most bang >> for > the >> buck, I could buy a lot of G motors for the cost of all the licenses >> necessary for highpower. >> >> Bryon Schopp >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: > 9/1/2008 7:19 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1651 - Release Date: > 9/4/2008 6:57 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lukins & Annis, P.S. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or privileged material, and is intended solely for use by the above referenced recipient. Any review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the recipient, and believe that you have received this in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received. Thank You! From patrick at urbancheese.com Fri Sep 5 17:09:41 2008 From: patrick at urbancheese.com (patrick (urban cheese records)) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:09:41 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Fw: Sixty Acres Park Update Message-ID: <80BFB80442BD4D3BAB3F8B48AA010024@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> FYI ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcuss, Mamie To: Patrick at urbancheese.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: Sixty Acres Park Update In the past, you have contacted Councilmember Ferguson about Sixty Acres Park. On August 19, 2008, the King County Executive transmitted a proposed ordinance to the Council that, if approved, will authorize the Executive to execute a thirty-year use agreement with the Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association for the use, construction, development, programming, and maintenance of athletic fields and related infrastructure at Sixty Acres Park. You can review the details of the proposed ordinance at http://mkcclegisearch.metrokc.gov/detailreport/?key=8936. I am writing to let you know that the Utilities and Parks Committee will be hearing this proposed ordinance at its upcoming special committee meeting on Monday, September 8. The meeting will be held at 9:30 am in Council Chambers on the tenth floor of the King County Courthouse at 516 Third Avenue in Seattle. The Committee is not expected to receive public testimony at this time. Although Councilmember Ferguson does not sit on the Utilities and Parks Committee, he will keep you updated on the committee's action and will let you know if the legislation moves forward to the full Council for consideration. Sincerely, Mamie Mamie Marcuss Chief of Staff King County Councilmember Bob Ferguson 516 Third Avenue, Room 1200 Seattle, WA 98104 (206) 296-1001 -------------- next part -------------- FYI ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:Mamie.Marcuss at kingcounty.gov Marcuss, Mamie To: mailto:Patrick at urbancheese.com Patrick at urbancheese.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: Sixty Acres Park Update In the past, you have contacted Councilmember Ferguson about Sixty Acres Park.? On August 19, 2008, the King County Executive transmitted a proposed ordinance to the Council that, if approved, will authorize the Executive to execute a thirty-year use agreement with the Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association for the use, construction, development, programming, and maintenance of athletic fields and related infrastructure at Sixty Acres Park.? You can review the details of the proposed ordinance at http://mkcclegisearch.metrokc.gov/detailreport/?key=8936 http://mkcclegisearch.metrokc.gov/detailreport/?key=8936 . ? I am writing to let you know that the Utilities and Parks Committee will be hearing this proposed ordinance at its upcoming special committee meeting on Monday, September 8. The meeting will be held at 9:30 am in Council Chambers on the tenth floor of the King County Courthouse at 516 Third Avenue in Seattle.? The Committee is not expected to receive public testimony at this time. ? Although Councilmember Ferguson does not sit on the Utilities and Parks Committee, he will keep you updated on the committee?s action and will let you know if the legislation moves forward to the full Council for consideration. ? Sincerely, ? Mamie ? Mamie Marcuss Chief of Staff King County Councilmember Bob Ferguson 516 Third Avenue, Room 1200 Seattle, WA 98104 (206) 296-1001 ? From mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net Fri Sep 5 17:25:59 2008 From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net (mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:25:59 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Fw: Sixty Acres Park Update Message-ID: <090620080025.29566.48C1CE170000E46B0000737E2207000953040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> Related to this, a friend forwarded this email to me from LWYSA. LWYSA Coaches I?m pleased to announce that after a couple of years of hard work, we are close to signing a new Use Agreement for 60 Acres with King County, which will allow us to develop additional fields across the street from the existing ones at 60 Acres. This is very important to the future of LWYSA, as demand for quality fields is on the rise, and the inventory of fields for our programs is shrinking due to the growth of other sports. I know that many of our families are fairly new to soccer, and you may well be playing at fields such as Marymoor for the next few years. However, if your player stays in soccer with LWYSA, they will be playing at 60 Acres in the not-too-distant future. As with any change in use of public land, there are certain groups and individuals that would prefer to see 60 Acres South left as it is, dedicated to passive use. We have a hearing with a King County Council committee this coming Monday, as well as a community meeting with the City of Redmond on 9/15. It is crucial that our elected officials hear a strong voice of support for the new Use Agreement and fields. Please make a strong commitment to our future by printing the attached petition, take it to your games(s) this weekend, and strongly recommend that anyone over the age of 18 sign the petition. Don?t hesitate to ask the visiting team (if not an LWYSA team) to sign it as well, as 60 Acres is host to teams from all over Washington state. Please look for the red tent at 60 Acres and at Marymoor this weekend. We will have volunteers there to collect your petitions. If your games are at a different location, we would be appreciative if you could take the time to stop by 60 Acres or Marymoor on your way home. As an alternative, we have created an online petition that you can forward to others that may not be at the fields. Please sign the hard copy petition, or the online, but not both. Below is the link to the online petition. We will be sending this link to the general membership as well, along with a request to forward it to as many supporters as possible. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/60acres/ For further information, please visit our webpage at: www.lwysa.org Thank you, Andy Hill LWYSA President -------------- Original message -------------- From: "patrick (urban cheese records)" > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > FYI > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > mailto:Mamie.Marcuss at kingcounty.gov Marcuss, Mamie > To: > mailto:Patrick at urbancheese.com Patrick at urbancheese.com > Sent: > Friday, September 05, 2008 5:06 PM > Subject: > Sixty Acres Park Update > In the past, you have contacted Councilmember Ferguson about Sixty Acres Park. > On August 19, 2008, the King County Executive transmitted a proposed ordinance > to the Council that, if approved, will authorize the Executive to execute a > thirty-year use agreement with the Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association for > the use, construction, development, programming, and maintenance of athletic > fields and related infrastructure at Sixty Acres Park. You can review the > details of the proposed ordinance at > http://mkcclegisearch.metrokc.gov/detailreport/?key=8936 > http://mkcclegisearch.metrokc.gov/detailreport/?key=8936 > . > > I am writing to let you know that the Utilities and Parks Committee will be > hearing this proposed ordinance at its upcoming special committee meeting on > Monday, September 8. The meeting will be held at 9:30 am in Council Chambers on > the tenth floor of the King County Courthouse at 516 Third Avenue in Seattle. > The Committee is not expected to receive public testimony at this time. > > Although Councilmember Ferguson does not sit on the Utilities and Parks > Committee, he will keep you updated on the committee?s action and will let you > know if the legislation moves forward to the full Council for consideration. > > Sincerely, > > Mamie > > Mamie Marcuss > Chief of Staff > King County Councilmember Bob Ferguson > 516 Third Avenue, Room 1200 > Seattle, WA 98104 > (206) 296-1001 > > -------------- next part -------------- Related to this, a friend forwarded this email to me from LWYSA. ? LWYSA Coaches I?m pleased to announce that after a couple of years of hard work, we are close to signing a new Use Agreement for 60 Acres with King County, which will allow us to?develop additional fields across the street from the existing ones at 60 Acres.?? This is very important to the future of LWYSA, as demand for quality fields is on the rise, and the inventory of field s for our programs is shrinking due to the growth of other sports . ? I?know that many of our families are fairly new to soccer, and you may well be playing at fields such as Marymoor for the next few years.?? However, if your player stays in soccer with LWYSA, they will be playing at 60 Acres in the not-too-distant future.?? As with any change in use of public land, there are certain groups and individuals that would prefer to see 60 Acres South left as it is, dedicated to passive use.?? We have a hearing with a King County Council committee this coming Monday, as well as a community meeting with the City of Redmond on 9/15.?? It is crucial that our elected officials hear a strong voice of support for the new Use Agreement and fields. Please make a strong commitment to our future by printing the attached petition, take it to your games(s) this weekend, and strongly recommend that anyone over the age of 18 sign the petition.?? Don?t hesitate to ask the visiting team (if not an LWYSA team) to sign it as well, as 60 Acres is host to teams from all over Washington state. Please look for the red tent at 60 Acres and at Marymoor this weekend.?? We will have volunteers there to collect your petitions.??If your games are at a different location, we would be appreciative if you could take the time to stop by 60 Acres or Marymoor on your way home.? As an alternative, we have created an online petition that you can forward to others that may not be at the fields.?? Please sign the hard copy petition, or the online, but not both.?? Below is the link to the online petition.?? We will be sending this link to the general membership as well, along with a request to forward it to as many supporters as possible. https://mail.microsoft.com/OWA/redir.aspx?C=155d7c6fb0f348d7b6f419aae02a2697&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ipetitions.com%2fpetition%2f60acres%2f http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/60acres/ For further information, please visit our webpage at:? https://mail.microsoft.com/OWA/redir.aspx?C=155d7c6fb0f348d7b6f419aae02a2697&URL=https%3a%2f%2fmail.lwysa.org%2fexchweb%2fbin%2fredir.asp%3fURL%3dhttp%3a%2f%2fconsole.mxlogic.com%2fredir%2f%3f5BWXNEV78zzr8VVNVYsUr01SH2Bj_VkffGhBrBYzW4EUi3gH1J0sY6mahm7e-WWa1PdrL0srl5MHuZ40i6gYf0BYcwi1M7E92wOdwCw95_9xA9WubIz8m5Jm6wOwe80M27Qf0o9xB1Y620M92Tydi3wwa4XI3qH0uden40aK5h8ICebC1pVc5Gxcibn3wO0Ec6wZ0b0tQecuwd2g3ycnwO6go6g93N04R6z07aybNK_9LfFIf6zB4QsL6XCZ9Off1iJ8sKrhujssdEFFTspspKCrjd79I5zihEw2ob2gQ30in0nPh13_gd41qHsjh0jYZoQgCV-7PM76QPqpJAsYUY-MOrkBWiK-rJ www.lwysa.org Thank you, Andy Hill LWYSA President ? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "patrick (urban cheese records)" > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > FYI > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > mailto:Mamie.Marcuss at kingcounty.gov Marcuss, Mamie > To: > mailto:Patrick at urbancheese.com Patrick at urbancheese.com > Sent: > Friday, September 05, 2008 5:06 PM > Subject: > Sixty Acres Park Update > In the past, you have contacted Councilmember Ferguson about Sixty Acres Park. > On August 19, 2008, the King County Executive transmitted a proposed ordinance > to the Council that, if approved, will authorize the Executive to execute a > thirty-year u se agreement with the Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association for > the use, construction, development, programming, and maintenance of athletic > fields and related infrastructure at Sixty Acres Park. You can review the > details of the proposed ordinance at > http://mkcclegisearch.metrokc.gov/detailreport/?key=8936 > http://mkcclegisearch.metrokc.gov/detailreport/?key=8936 > . > > I am writing to let you know that the Utilities and Parks Committee will be > hearing this proposed ordinance at its upcoming special committee meeting on > Monday, September 8. The meeting will be held at 9:30 am in Council Chambers on > the tenth floor of the King County Courthouse at 516 Third Avenue in Seattle. > The Committee is not expected to receive public testimony at this time. > > Although Councilmember Ferguson does not sit on the Utilities and Parks > Committee, he will keep you updated on the committee?s action and will let you > know if the legislation moves forward to the full Council for consideration. > > Sincerely, > > Mamie > > Mamie Marcuss > Chief of Staff > King County Councilmember Bob Ferguson > 516 Third Avenue, Room 1200 > Seattle, WA 98104 > (206) 296-1001 > > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 21:40:29 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:40:29 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder (Set) 10-way Drag Race - Sheridan Oregon September 20th @ Noonish Message-ID: <006d01c910a3$dc1028d0$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Just wanted to remind those planning to attend the Sheridan launch, the drag race will be happening and those below are the current line up.... And lets see. Who is this years competition? Yes, this is only for fun. Ha ha ha ha... Below is the line up with comments. Our drag race fliers, and please wish them luck and encouragement. Pad A; Steve Tarr (I'm president, I should be allowed to win... NOT!!! It's good to be the King) Pad B; Mike Fisher (no comment) Pad C; Gary Harris (prepare to eat my dust !!!) Pad D; Carl Degner (My rocket's daddy is gonna beat up your rocket's daddy! ;-)) Pad E; Mark Quinn (This Heathen is ready for battle!) Pad F; LaMar Haugaard (This is my frist drag race. I'm looking forward to it!!) Pad G; Ian Love (Don't blink, I'm light and fast. Have Fun!) Pad H; Mike Lockhart (Isn't it great, 10 winners...mnl) Pad I; Robert Krausert (Back-off is going to smoke you all, 3K or bust) Pad J; Mark Gholston (Hey, let me win... I towed the trailer) Seriously this is a fun drag race event. We hope you join us and cheer. Something tells me pads A through H and pad J are going down. Bring on the G79 white Lightning with 10 seconds to appogee or soil!!! See you at Sheridan. We are ready. No cage match this year. Rockets get stuck in the cyclone fencing material. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Just wanted to remind those planning to attend the Sheridan launch, the drag race will be happening and those below are the current line up.... And lets see. Who is this years competition? Yes, this is ?only for fun. Ha ha ha ha... Below is the line up with comments. Our drag race fliers, and please wish them luck and encouragement. Pad A; Steve Tarr (I'm president, I should be allowed to win... NOT!!! It's good to be the King) Pad B; Mike Fisher (no comment) Pad C; Gary Harris (prepare to eat my dust !!!) Pad D; Carl Degner (My rocket's daddy is gonna beat up your rocket's daddy!? ;-)) Pad E; Mark Quinn (This Heathen is ready?for battle!) Pad F; LaMar Haugaard (This is my frist drag race.? I'm looking forward to it!!) Pad G; Ian Love (Don't blink, I'm light and fast. Have Fun!) Pad H; Mike Lockhart (Isn't it great, 10 winners...mnl) Pad I; Robert Krausert (Back-off is going to smoke you all, 3K or bust) Pad J; Mark Gholston (Hey, let me win... I towed the trailer) ? Seriously this is a fun drag race event. We hope you join us and cheer. Something tells me pads A through H and pad J are going down. Bring on the G79 white Lightning with 10 seconds to appogee or soil!!! See you at Sheridan. We are ready. No cage match this year. Rockets get stuck in the cyclone fencing material. ? Cheers, Robert From mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net Mon Sep 8 08:21:57 2008 From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net (mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:21:57 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? Message-ID: <090820081521.22568.48C543150001DC58000058282200750330040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> Hi everyone. Who's going to XPRS this year? We're leaving here Wednesday morning and should be on the playa sometime Thursday afternoon. -------------- next part -------------- Hi everyone.? Who's going to XPRS this year?? We're leaving here Wednesday morning and should be on the playa sometime Thursday afternoon. From dmrandall at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 08:55:36 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:55:36 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? In-Reply-To: <090820081521.22568.48C543150001DC58000058282200750330040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> References: <090820081521.22568.48C543150001DC58000058282200750330040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6bc920e40809080855x4a2834edx41637d677ed37f7d@mail.gmail.com> I'm going down - you (Mike) knew that, but maybe others on the list didn't! My two primary rocket projects for this year are listed on the XPRS projects page. http://www.xprs.org/2008_Gallery.html Here's the obligatory Gerlach web cam view to get you in the mood! http://www.burningman.com/preparation/travel_info/gerlach_webcam.html 9 days and counting! Dave On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:21 AM, wrote: > Hi everyone. Who's going to XPRS this year? We're leaving here Wednesday morning and should be on the playa sometime Thursday afternoon. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From greg at bigredbee.com Mon Sep 8 08:58:16 2008 From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:58:16 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? In-Reply-To: <090820081521.22568.48C543150001DC58000058282200750330040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> References: <090820081521.22568.48C543150001DC58000058282200750330040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> Message-ID: BigRedBee will be there -- I plan to arrive around 4pm on Thursday. -- Greg On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:21 AM, wrote: > Hi everyone. Who's going to XPRS this year? We're leaving here Wednesday > morning and should be on the playa sometime Thursday afternoon. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- BigRedBee will be there -- I plan to arrive around 4pm on Thursday. ? -- Greg On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:21 AM, < mailto:mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net > wrote: Hi everyone.? Who's going to XPRS this year?? We're leaving here Wednesday morning and should be on the playa sometime Thursday afternoon. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From clappfamily at comcast.net Mon Sep 8 09:51:21 2008 From: clappfamily at comcast.net (clappfamily at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:51:21 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? Message-ID: <090820081651.16417.48C5580800064676000040212200734076970407030E009F9F0E040C@comcast.net> I'll be heading down on Wednesday or Thursday. Rick -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Greg Clark" > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > BigRedBee will be there -- I plan to arrive around 4pm on Thursday. > > -- Greg > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:21 AM, > < mailto:mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net > > > wrote: > Hi everyone. Who's going to XPRS this year? We're leaving here Wednesday > morning and should be on the playa sometime Thursday afternoon. > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -------------- next part -------------- I'll be heading down on Wednesday or Thursday. ? Rick -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Greg Clark" > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > BigRedBee will be there -- I plan to arrive around 4pm on Thursday. > > -- Greg > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:21 AM, > < mailto:mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net > > > wrote: > Hi everyone. Who's going to XPRS this year? We're leaving here Wednesday > morning and should be on the playa sometime Thursday afternoon. > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > http://mx 1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From greg at blastzone.com Mon Sep 8 12:17:41 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:17:41 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Kitchen Aid Mixer - $50 Message-ID: <319001c911e7$9113a0b0$b33ae210$@com> Just noticed a kitchen aid on Craigslist for $50. http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/hsh/832711710.html From vern_knowles at att.net Mon Sep 8 19:21:21 2008 From: vern_knowles at att.net (Vern Knowles) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:21:21 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? In-Reply-To: <090820081521.22568.48C543150001DC58000058282200750330040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> References: <090820081521.22568.48C543150001DC58000058282200750330040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003301c91222$c11f1ec0$0400a8c0@MainPC> I'll be there. I have something new to try at XPRS. I have written some software to process GPS downlink data in real time and to report that data using a computer synthesized voice during the flight. It will be reporting altitude, speed, distance, max velocity, descent rate, etc, right as it happens. Vern Knowles www.vernk.com > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of > mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:22 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? > > Hi everyone. Who's going to XPRS this year? We're leaving > here Wednesday morning and should be on the playa sometime > Thursday afternoon. From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 19:13:29 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:13:29 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? References: <090820081521.22568.48C543150001DC58000058282200750330040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> <003301c91222$c11f1ec0$0400a8c0@MainPC> Message-ID: <003701c91221$a7d51470$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Vern, Sounds really cool. Let's hope the synthesized voice never says, "ut-oh!!" ;-) Have a great time. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vern Knowles" To: Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? > > I'll be there. I have something new to try at XPRS. I have written some > software to process GPS > downlink data in real time and to report that data using a computer > synthesized voice during the > flight. It will be reporting altitude, speed, distance, max velocity, > descent rate, etc, right as > it happens. > > Vern Knowles > www.vernk.com > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of >> mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net >> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:22 AM >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? >> >> Hi everyone. Who's going to XPRS this year? We're leaving >> here Wednesday morning and should be on the playa sometime >> Thursday afternoon. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From stevet19759 at comcast.net Tue Sep 9 07:56:37 2008 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:56:37 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] Sheridan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C68EA5.8070906@comcast.net> Per Randy's note, The OregonRocketry Sheridan launch will follow FAR-101 rules. As he said, we're working on the situation but don't expect any changes. HOWEVER We've been advertising this as a public launch for months. It's the only launch that some of our members and most non-members can get to. We still expect hundreds of low-power, mid-power and a few high-power flights. And we need your help to make this happen. Therefore, please consider going to Dayton to launch your big rockets, then coming to Sheridan to help some other people launch their rockets! A small group of OROC members and the Tigard High School TARC team did a build session at a local hobby store last week. We had lots of fun there, and we know there will be some new folks coming to the launch. Let's show them what we can do with small(er) rockets. For reference, here's the list of "H" motors that meet the 125g max. propellant weight rule: I got this data from the Sept. 7, 2008 Combined Motor List, so this is the newest possible data. Aerotech H55W 29mm single-use Aerotech H128W 29/180 reload Aerotech H238T 29/180 reload Aerotech H165R 29/180 reload Aerotech H180W 29/240 reload Aerotech H210R 29/240 reload Aerotech H220T 29/240 reload Aerotech H250G 20/240 reload Aerotech H123W 38/240 reload Aerotech H148R 38/240 reload Aerotech H242T 38/240 reload Aerotech H669N 38/240 reload Cesaroni H123 Cesaroni H125 Cesaroni H225 Cesaroni H400 Loki H90LR Loki H100LS Loki H160LB NOT ALLOWED: Aerotech H97J 29/240 reload Aerotech H268R 29/360 reload Aerotech I200W 29/360 reload any other "H" or above Note that although Aerotech lists the H73J (38/240 reload) as having 125.0g of propellant, TRA certified it at 142.7g propellant, so we can't allow it. (Bummer - it's a great saucer motor. Guess I'll have to stick with the H669N :-) ) -Steve Tarr Randy Birzer wrote: > Rocketeers, > I regret to announce that as of now Oregon Rocketry does not have a > waiver to fly ?Large Model Rockets? at the upcoming Sheridan launch. > Large Model Rockets have more that 125 grams of propellant or 1,500 > grams (3.3lbs) of total mass. We have had a waiver at this site for > over ten years but as of right now, we do not. I do not know why. This > is disappointing for all of us. Please do not contact the FAA regarding > this manner, we are working on it and are waiting to get the paperwork > from them. > > There are a few H motors that have less than 125 grams of propellant so > there could potentially be some level one certification flights. More > to come on this. > > There is a launch in Dayton this weekend that you may be interested in > attending if you want to fly Large Model Rockets. http://www.bmr615.org/ > > If anything changes, I will let you know. > > Randy Birzer > Launch Director Oregon Rocketry From stevet19759 at comcast.net Tue Sep 9 14:16:01 2008 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:16:01 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Sheridan launch - updates Message-ID: <48C6E791.6070801@comcast.net> Per Randy's message, it looks like we'll be limited to FAR-101 at Sheridan this year. We're still trying to determine why we didn't get the waiver as requested and what we can or can't do about it for future launches, but there isn't time to make any changes for Sheridan. It's possible, perhaps even likely, that we'll also be restricted to FAR-101 at Brothers in October. If we are so restricted, we'll have to think seriously about whether to hold the launch as planned, to treat this as a "pickup launch" with no club GSE, or to cancel the launch entirely. We won't make any decision before the next general meeting (Oct. 2), but you may want to think about your options for the next few weeks, knowing that the October launch may not happen as planned. Please DON'T contact the FAA directly; there isn't time to do anything about Sheridan and repeated inquiries about either launch won't help our situation for Brothers. We're trying to determine the reasons for the apparent policy change and what options are available to us. Please note that, per Tim Quigg and others, there will also be restrictions on high-power launches at the BMR "Rolling Thunder" launch this weekend in Dayton, WA. Their issues are with the site dimensions and wind drift, not the FAA waiver, but they're still operating under similar limits. Please contact Tim Quigg, the BMR RSO, if you wish to fly on an H or above at Rolling Thunder. See http://www.bmr615.org/ We're still planning for a big public launch. We'll still do the G-motor drag race and fly saucers on H669s. We can still do NAR L1 certification flights at Sheridan, provided that your rocket is under the 1500g (3.3 lb.) liftoff weight limit and that you're using a motor with 125g or less of propellant. (I can also administer NAR L2 exams at Sheridan, but you may want to wait until the October meeting to find out if you'll be able to do the cert. flight before the deadline on your exam.) And if all you have are high-power rockets, here's a great excuse to head to your local hobby store and buy that reissued Estes "der Red Max" kit that you remember from way back when the "mighty D" was the biggest motor you could buy, or maybe that boost glider that you've never done before, or maybe just a few pieces of body tube and some balsa. Bring it to Sheridan and discover again how much fun it can be to help some kids fly their rockets, or just to watch smoke trails in the sky from RIGHT UP CLOSE! And, if you're really adventuresome... Read the TARC rules. Build (or rebuild) a rocket that meets the rules. You've built plenty of rockets -- you know how! Put your altimeter in it, set to read peak altitude only -- no need for dual deploy here! Stick an egg in it and launch...and see how close you can get to the TARC targets: 750 ft. and 45 sec. duration. -Steve Tarr From stevet19759 at comcast.net Tue Sep 9 15:37:53 2008 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:37:53 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan and Brothers -- another update -- GO GO GO! Message-ID: <48C6FAC1.2040207@comcast.net> Randy worked miracles on the phone, and we're OK to launch at Sheridan and Brothers as planned. High power and everything. Yay!!! I'm sorry about all the confusion and flurry of email. It was pretty exciting for those of us in the thick of the discussions! We had a number of members asking us to tell all, now and some others recommending that we wait. As it turns out, I sent some information too soon and added to the mess. We are GO GO GO for Sheridan and Brothers. If you care about the details, read on. Otherwise, go back to building rockets! You've got just over a week to be ready for Sheridan! All of us flying high power are familiar with CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) Title 14 Section 101 (aka FAR-101) that covers kites, balloons, and unmanned rockets. But how many of us have actually read that section recently (within the last six months)? And how many have looked at section 71 (designation of airspace areas) and section 400 (commercial suborbital flights)? And last year's NPRM affecting parts 101 and 400? And the FAA internal procedures, chapter 31 "rocket and launch-vehicle operations?" To summarize: The rules in FAR-101 are "no rockets" (FAR-101.23) except for certain exceptions. FAR-101.22 lists the exceptions for "small model rockets" and "large model rockets". Anything else requires a waiver. So far, so good. The NPRM last year changed the definition of "small model rockets", split out two new categories ABOVE what we call "high-power model rockets" and renamed/renumbered the categories. The whole mess is currently being rewritten (they're merging the amendments into the original documents) and will be reissued sometime in the next year or two. In the meantime, you have to read the original document AND all the "final regulations" published in the Federal Register to see what's going on. The major change for us SHOULD be that both "small model rockets" and "large model rockets" now have a 125g max propellant rather than the old scheme where "small model rockets" were limited to 4 oz. propellant. That's a GOOD THING, it makes life easier for everyone. The minor change is that the maximum liftoff weight for "small model rockets" is now officially measured in grams rather than ounces, but it's still the same 16 oz. limit (within roundoff error.) That doesn't really make any difference, it's just good for consistency. In total, the new regulations shouldn't have affected us. They were intended to make things easier for the FAA and amateur and commercial fliers with really big rockets -- bigger than "Q" class, and we just happened to stumble over some of the construction debris. Now onto some speculation: In the cover letter to the NPRM, the FAA mentions the excellent safety record of model and amateur rocketry and explains that the new categories are meant to handle new situations, such as the X-prize launches, that didn't fit the old rules. So far, so good. But when you read the procedures documents http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIR/air3101.html http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIR/air3102.html it's easy to be confused and think that ALL launches beyond the FAR-101.22 limits require a waiver AND either part 400 licensing or separate waiver of part 400 rules. When you look into part 400 in detail, you'll see that amateur model rocket launches like ours are automatically exempt, but that's not obvious until you do a bunch of back-and-forth reading between all the documents. Because of the regulatory changes, the language printed in the waiver changed. That's why Randy thought we might have troubles with the Brothers waiver -- it didn't say the same thing that it had in the past. And when he asked questions about that (and the similar new language on the Sheridan waiver), everybody got confused and started saying "no." Anyway, it's all sorted out. Randy's received assurances that the new language MEANS the same thing as the old and what we'd originally requested. We are good to launch. -ST From Mfreptiles at aol.com Tue Sep 9 15:58:28 2008 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:58:28 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan and Brothers -- another update -- GO GO GO! Message-ID: Thank you Randy and the rest of the BOD that worked on this. Mike Fisher **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) -------------- next part -------------- Thank you Randy and the rest of the BOD that worked on this. ? Mike Fisher Psssst...Have you heard the news? http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014 There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com . From jjcllc03 at aol.com Tue Sep 9 16:10:56 2008 From: jjcllc03 at aol.com (jjcllc03 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:10:56 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] OROC Sheridan launch - updates In-Reply-To: <48C6E791.6070801@comcast.net> References: <48C6E791.6070801@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CAE0E872715387-17AC-1518@WEBMAIL-NG16.sysops.aol.com> Steve, what is the explanation for the problem with the waiver?? I still haven't seen anything that clearly stated the reason for this problem.? Also, why would we have a problem in receiving the waiver for the October launch?? Again, what is the clearly stated reason for this? Jack Caynon -----Original Message----- From: Steve Tarr To: Members OregonRocketry ; NW Rocketry mailing list Cc: sci2a at yahoo.com; icarroll at pobox.com Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 2:16 pm Subject: [OROC Members] OROC Sheridan launch - updates Per Randy's message, it looks like we'll be limited to FAR-101 at Sheridan this year. We're still trying to determine why we didn't get the waiver as requested and what we can or can't do about it for future launches, but there isn't time to make any changes for Sheridan. It's possible, perhaps even likely, that we'll also be restricted to FAR-101 at Brothers in October. If we are so restricted, we'll have to think seriously about whether to hold the launch as planned, to treat this as a "pickup launch" with no club GSE, or to cancel the launch entirely. We won't make any decision before the next general meeting (Oct. 2), but you may want to think about your options for the next few weeks, knowing that the October launch may not happen as planned. Please DON'T contact the FAA directly; there isn't time to do anything about Sheridan and repeated inquiries about either launch won't help our situation for Brothers. We're trying to determine the reasons for the apparent policy change and what options are available to us. Please note that, per Tim Quigg and others, there will also be restrictions on high-power launches at the BMR "Rolling Thunder" launch this weekend in Dayton, WA. Their issues are with the site dimensions and wind drift, not the FAA waiver, but they're still operating under similar limits. Please contact Tim Quigg, the BMR RSO, if you wish to fly on an H or above at Rolling Thunder. See http://www.bmr615.org/ We're still planning for a big public launch. We'll still do the G-motor drag race and fly saucers on H669s. We can still do NAR L1 certification flights at Sheridan, provided that your rocket is under the 1500g (3.3 lb.) liftoff weight limit and that you're using a motor with 125g or less of propellant. (I can also administer NAR L2 exams at Sheridan, but you may want to wait until the October meeting to find out if you'll be able to do the cert. flight before the deadline on your exam.) And if all you have are high-power rockets, here's a great excuse to head to your local hobby store and buy that reissued Estes "der Red Max" kit that you remember from way back when the "mighty D" was the biggest motor you could buy, or maybe that boost glider that you've never done before, or maybe just a few pieces of body tube and some balsa. Bring it to Sheridan and discover again how much fun it can be to help some kids fly their rockets, or just to watch smoke trails in the sky from RIGHT UP CLOSE! And, if you're really adventuresome... Read the TARC rules. Build (or rebuild) a rocket that meets the rules. You've built plenty of rockets -- you know how! Put your altimeter in it, set to read peak altitude only -- no need for dual deploy here! Stick an egg in it and launch...and see how close you can get to the TARC targets: 750 ft. and 45 sec. duration. -Steve Tarr _______________________________________________ Members mailing list Members at oregonrocketry.org http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members -------------- next part -------------- Jack Caynon -----Original Message----- From: Steve Tarr To: Members OregonRocketry ; NW Rocketry mailing list Cc: sci2a at yahoo.com; icarroll at pobox.com Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 2:16 pm Subject: [OROC Members] OROC Sheridan launch - updates Per Randy's message, it looks like we'll be limited to FAR-101 at Sheridan this year. We're still trying to determine why we didn't get the waiver as requested and what we can or can't do about it for future launches, but there isn't time to make any changes for Sheridan. It's possible, perhaps even likely, that we'll also be restricted to FAR-101 at Brothers in October. If we are so restricted, we'll have to think seriously about whether to hold the launch as planned, to treat this as a "pickup launch" with no club GSE, or to cancel the launch entirely. We won't make any decision before the next general meeting (Oct. 2), but you may want to think about your options for the next few weeks, knowing that the October launch may not happen as planned. Please DON'T contact the FAA directly; there isn't time to do anything about Sheridan and repeated inquiries about either launch won't help our situation for Brothers. We're trying to determine the reasons for the apparent policy change and what options are available to us. Please note that, per Tim Quigg and others, there will also be restrictions on high-power launches at the BMR "Rolling Thunder" launch this weekend in Dayton, WA. Their issues are with the site dimensions and wind drift, not the FAA waiver, but they're still operating under similar limits. Please contact Tim Quigg, the BMR RSO, if you wish to fly on an H or above at Rolling Thunder. See http://www.bmr615.org/ http://www.bmr615.org/ We're still planning for a big public launch. We'll still do the G-motor drag race and fly saucers on H669s. We can still do NAR L1 certification flights at Sheridan, provided that your rocket is under the 1500g (3.3 lb.) liftoff weight limit and that you're using a motor with 125g or less of propellant. (I can also administer NAR L2 exams at Sheridan, but you may want to wait until the October meeting to find out if you'll be able to do the cert. flight before the deadline on your exam.) And if all you have are high-power rockets, here's a great excuse to head to your local hobby store and buy that reissued Estes "der Red Max" kit that you remember from way back when the "mighty D" was the biggest motor you could buy, or maybe that boost glider that you've never done before, or maybe just a few pieces of body tube and some balsa. Bring it to Sheridan and discover again how much fun it can be to help some kids fly their rockets, or just to watch smoke trails in the sky from RIGHT UP CLOSE! And, if you're really adventuresome... Read the TARC rules. Build (or rebuild) a rocket that meets the rules. You've built plenty of rockets -- you know how! Put your altimeter in it, set to read peak altitude only -- no need for dual deploy here! Stick an egg in it and launch...and see how close you can get to the TARC targets: 750 ft. and 45 sec. duration. -Steve Tarr _______________________________________________ Members mailing list mailto:Members at oregonrocketry.org Members at oregonrocketry.org http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members Looking for spoilers and reviews on the new TV season? http://television.aol.com/feature/fall_tv?ncid=aoletv00050000000037 Get AOL's ultimate guide to fall TV . From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 17:09:00 2008 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan and Brothers -- another update -- GO GO GO! In-Reply-To: <48C6FAC1.2040207@comcast.net> Message-ID: <91223.14909.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Here's to Randy for the hard work and makeing it so we can all have what should be a fun time. ? Randy the first beer is on me. :o) ? John Hornsby --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Steve Tarr wrote: From: Steve Tarr Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan and Brothers -- another update -- GO GO GO! To: "OROC Members" , "NW Rocketry mailing list" , BORGrocketry at yahoogroups.com, sci2a at yahoo.com, icarroll at pobox.com Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 3:37 PM Randy worked miracles on the phone, and we're OK to launch at Sheridan and Brothers as planned. High power and everything. Yay!!! I'm sorry about all the confusion and flurry of email. It was pretty exciting for those of us in the thick of the discussions! We had a number of members asking us to tell all, now and some others recommending that we wait. As it turns out, I sent some information too soon and added to the mess. We are GO GO GO for Sheridan and Brothers. If you care about the details, read on. Otherwise, go back to building rockets! You've got just over a week to be ready for Sheridan! All of us flying high power are familiar with CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) Title 14 Section 101 (aka FAR-101) that covers kites, balloons, and unmanned rockets. But how many of us have actually read that section recently (within the last six months)? And how many have looked at section 71 (designation of airspace areas) and section 400 (commercial suborbital flights)? And last year's NPRM affecting parts 101 and 400? And the FAA internal procedures, chapter 31 "rocket and launch-vehicle operations?" To summarize: The rules in FAR-101 are "no rockets" (FAR-101.23) except for certain exceptions. FAR-101.22 lists the exceptions for "small model rockets" and "large model rockets". Anything else requires a waiver. So far, so good. The NPRM last year changed the definition of "small model rockets", split out two new categories ABOVE what we call "high-power model rockets" and renamed/renumbered the categories. The whole mess is currently being rewritten (they're merging the amendments into the original documents) and will be reissued sometime in the next year or two. In the meantime, you have to read the original document AND all the "final regulations" published in the Federal Register to see what's going on. The major change for us SHOULD be that both "small model rockets" and "large model rockets" now have a 125g max propellant rather than the old scheme where "small model rockets" were limited to 4 oz. propellant. That's a GOOD THING, it makes life easier for everyone. The minor change is that the maximum liftoff weight for "small model rockets" is now officially measured in grams rather than ounces, but it's still the same 16 oz. limit (within roundoff error.) That doesn't really make any difference, it's just good for consistency. In total, the new regulations shouldn't have affected us. They were intended to make things easier for the FAA and amateur and commercial fliers with really big rockets -- bigger than "Q" class, and we just happened to stumble over some of the construction debris. Now onto some speculation: In the cover letter to the NPRM, the FAA mentions the excellent safety record of model and amateur rocketry and explains that the new categories are meant to handle new situations, such as the X-prize launches, that didn't fit the old rules. So far, so good. But when you read the procedures documents http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIR/air3101.html http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIR/air3102.html it's easy to be confused and think that ALL launches beyond the FAR-101.22 limits require a waiver AND either part 400 licensing or separate waiver of part 400 rules. When you look into part 400 in detail, you'll see that amateur model rocket launches like ours are automatically exempt, but that's not obvious until you do a bunch of back-and-forth reading between all the documents. Because of the regulatory changes, the language printed in the waiver changed. That's why Randy thought we might have troubles with the Brothers waiver -- it didn't say the same thing that it had in the past. And when he asked questions about that (and the similar new language on the Sheridan waiver), everybody got confused and started saying "no." Anyway, it's all sorted out. Randy's received assurances that the new language MEANS the same thing as the old and what we'd originally requested. We are good to launch. -ST _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Here's to Randy for the hard work and makeing it so we can all have what should be a fun time. ? Randy the first beer is on me. :o) ? John Hornsby --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Steve Tarr wrote: From: Steve Tarr Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan and Brothers -- another update -- GO GO GO! To: "OROC Members" , "NW Rocketry mailing list" , BORGrocketry at yahoogroups.com, sci2a at yahoo.com, icarroll at pobox.com Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 3:37 PM Randy worked miracles on the phone, and we're OK to launch at Sheridan and Brothers as planned. High power and everything. Yay!!! I'm sorry about all the confusion and flurry of email. It was pretty exciting for those of us in the thick of the discussions! We had a number of members asking us to tell all, now and some others recommending that we wait. As it turns out, I sent some information too soon and added to the mess. We are GO GO GO for Sheridan and Brothers. If you care about the details, read on. Otherwise, go back to building rockets! You've got just over a week to be ready for Sheridan! All of us flying high power are familiar with CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) Title 14 Section 101 (aka FAR-101) that covers kites, balloons, and unmanned rockets. But how many of us have actually read that section recently (within the last six months)? And how many have looked at section 71 (designation of airspace areas) and section 400 (commercial suborbital flights)? And last year's NPRM affecting parts 101 and 400? And the FAA internal procedures, chapter 31 "rocket and launch-vehicle operations?" To summarize: The rules in FAR-101 are "no rockets" (FAR-101.23) except for certain exceptions. FAR-101.22 lists the exceptions for "small model rockets" and "large model rockets". Anything else requires a waiver. So far, so good. The NPRM last year changed the definition of "small model rockets", split out two new categories ABOVE what we call "high-power model rockets" and renamed/renumbered the categories. The whole mess is currently being rewritten (they're merging the amendments into the original documents) and will be reissued sometime in the next year or two. In the meantime, you have to read the original document AND all the "final regulations" published in the Federal Register to see what's going on. The major change for us SHOULD be that both "small model rockets" and "large model rockets" now have a 125g max propellant rather than the old scheme where "small model rockets" were limited to 4 oz. propellant. That's a GOOD THING, it makes life easier for everyone. The minor change is that the maximum liftoff weight for "small model rockets" is now officially measured in grams rather than ounces, but it's still the same 16 oz. limit (within roundoff error.) That doesn't really make any difference, it's just good for consistency. In total, the new regulations shouldn't have affected us. They were intended to make things easier for the FAA and amateur and commercial fliers with really big rockets -- bigger than "Q" class, and we just happened to stumble over some of the construction debris. Now onto some speculation: In the cover letter to the NPRM, the FAA mentions the excellent safety record of model and amateur rocketry and explains that the new categories are meant to handle new situations, such as the X-prize launches, that didn't fit the old rules. So far, so good. But when you read the procedures documents http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIR/air3101.html http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIR/air3102.html it's easy to be confused and think that ALL launches beyond the FAR-101.22 limits require a waiver AND either part 400 licensing or separate waiver of part 400 rules. When you look into part 400 in detail, you'll see that amateur model rocket launches like ours are automatically exempt, but that's not obvious until you do a bunch of back-and-forth reading between all the documents. Because of the regulatory changes, the language printed in the waiver changed. That's why Randy thought we might have troubles with the Brothers waiver -- it didn't say the same thing that it had in the past. And when he asked questions about that (and the similar new language on the Sheridan waiver), everybody got confused and started saying "no." Anyway, it's all sorted out. Randy's received assurances that the new language MEANS the same thing as the old and what we'd originally requested. We are good to launch. -ST _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 18:49:34 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:49:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon Message-ID: <00cd01c912e7$7a917c30$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Reminder - Attention, OregonRocketry on September 20th and 21st 2008 is hosting the Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon. This is one of OregonRocketry's largest and most popular launches of the year. This launch is close to the Portland area and the field is great for flying rockets. This launch is for commercial motors only, no research motors. Saturday's launch time is 8:00am to 10:00pm. Sunday's launch time is 8:00am to 4:00pm. We certainly hope you can join us for a great weekend of flying rockets and much much more. Have you ever been to a Sheridan launch? Join us again. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the event and show them first hand how much fun model, sport and high power rocketry is for everyone. If you've never been to a Sheridan launch, join us for a weekend of great fun. Launch fees for non-members and their families are $10.00 per day or $15.00 for the weekend. There is no charge for spectators. Please review and understand the OregonRocketry range policies at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc-launch.htm OregonRocketry's launch schedule is located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-launch.htm Directions to the launch site at Sheridan are located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-sher.htm Special Showcase Event: Tracking and Recovery (Saturday at 7:00pm, LCO table area) During the evening at about 7:00pm we will be hosting a showcase exploring rocket recovery and tracking. We encourage members to bring and display their tracking devices, recovery aids (such as amatuer radio equipment), and other techniques used to increase the chances of successfully recovering a rocket. We certainly hope you can join us for what should be a great time. Share with us your successes and techniques. Like to explore what others are doing to recover their rockets? Then stop by the event and participate. Share how you use your surroundings and points to recover a rocket. Join us at the LCO table area for the Showcase Event: Tracking and Recovery. Also planned for the showcase event : - How to pack wadding and chutes - so they don't get tangled or shredded, - How to install your igniter - so it won't just pop without lighting the motor, - How to set up your rocket on the pad - without bending the launch rod, - How to clean and attach the clip leads - to get REAL continuity. We are less than a month from the event and reminding everyone of the event. Also we must be sure we have the ground support volunteers necessary to hold this event. Similar to other launch events we look for OROC members to participate in various responsibilities to ensure we all can enjoy the weekend of rocketry. G79-10W 10-way Drag Race: Just wanted to remind those planning to attend the Sheridan launch, the drag race will be happening and those below are the current line up.... And lets see. Who is this years competition? Yes, this is only for fun. Ha ha ha ha... Below is the line up with comments. Our drag race fliers, and please wish them luck and encouragement. - Pad A; Steve Tarr (I'm president, I should be allowed to win... It's good to be the King) - Pad B; Mike Fisher (no comment) - Pad C; Gary Harris (prepare to eat my dust !!!) - Pad D; Carl Degner (My rocket's daddy is gonna beat up your rocket's daddy! ;-)) - Pad E; Mark Quinn (This Heathen is ready for battle!) - Pad F; LaMar Haugaard (This is my frist drag race. I'm looking forward to it!!) - Pad G; Ian Love (Don't blink, I'm light and fast. Have Fun!) - Pad H; Mike Lockhart (Isn't it great, 10 winners...mnl) - Pad I; Robert Krausert (Back-off is going to smoke you all, 3K or bust) - Pad J; Mark Gholston (Hey, let me win... I towed the trailer) Seriously this is a fun drag race event. We hope you join us and cheer. Something tells me pads A through H and pad J are going down. Bring on the G79 white Lightning with 10 seconds to appogee or soil!!! See you at Sheridan. We are ready. No cage match this year. Rockets get stuck in the cyclone fencing material. Setup: The OROC trailer will be arriving on Friday afternoon for setup. Mark Gholston will be delivering the trailer on Friday and returning it on Sunday. Anyone planning to be there on Friday afternoon, we are hoping you can help with setup. If are planning to arrive on Friday afternoon and are willing to help with the setup of the ground support equipment; please email me off list. Teardown: On Sunday beginning at 2:00pm (depends upon flying activities), we are going to need some people to help teardown the equipment and pack the trailer. If you plan to be there Sunday afternoon and willing to offer assistance with teardown, please email me off list. LCO (Launch Control Officer): We will be asking for members to help with covering the LCO duties. We'll have a sign-up form at the LCO table for contributing to this task. Assignments can be as short as one hour. We certainly do not want to prevent you from flying and having a great time. We all want that. Your assistance will help so that everyone has the opporuntity to fly and have fun. LCO appointments only require a TRA (Tripoli) or NAR (National Association of Rocketry) membership holding a L1 certification or higher. Never been an LCO ? It only takes a few minutes for training and rules. RSO (Range Safety Officer): We will be asking the members to help with covering the RSO duties. Because of the number of flights we're expecting at the Sheridan launch event, we are asking we keep an RSO active at all times. RSO coverage requires you to be an active member of NAR or TRA and be a L2 certified flyer or higher. Instruction to become an RSO will take only a short period of instruction and is required. Several things to look for when evaluating rockets. Same as the LCO duties, a sign-up sheet will be available beginning Saturday morning at the LCO table. Launch meetings: At 9:30 the OROC BoD will be hosting a brief flyers meeting. This meeting will discuss the rules and guidelines of this particular launch, land owner requirements, OROC rules / safety, and other business. Waiver opens at 8:00am, so flying begins at 8:00am. You do not need to wait after the flyers meeting to fly rockets. Flights can begin as soon as the waiver is officially open. Tripoli Certifications: There will be no opportunities to certify with Tripoli at this event. Tripoli members that want to certify (L1 and L2 only) may do so by becoming a NAR member. Or by waiting until another OROC launch. National Association of Rocketry (NAR) Certifications: NAR members wishing to certify during the event should contact OROC President Steve Tarr and acknowledge your plans at the launch. Tripoli members wishing to certify during this launch, please be prepared to either join NAR or show your NAR membership information. L2 certifications will require completion of a L2 NAR written test before the flight. Waiver for the weekend: The Sheridan launch will have a waiver of 5,300 feet AGL (Above Ground Level), maximum weight 15 lbs loaded. You are welcome to fly any rocket with impulse rating of 1/4A and above. Rockets with impulse rating H and I will require that you have estimated the altitude with the motor in your rocket. Providing simulation data that demonstrates that your rocket will remain below 5,300 feet will be greatly appreciated. J impulse and above will require simulation paperwork. There are many altitude prediction tools available both on the web and as software (such as RocSim). Anyone planning an L1 or L2 certification will be required to show predicted altitude of the rocket. Summary: We at OregonRocketry hope you can join us for what should be a very exciting weekend of model, sport and high power rocketry. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the launch so they can experience the fun and excitement. Everyone at the launch will be required to have a "OregonRocketry Sheridan 2008" wristband. Flyers and spectators are required to wear a wristband. I recently learned how to print wristband blanks on my printer. As a result we will have custom wristbands specific to this event. On top of all this, we promise no exposure to political ads. -------------- next part -------------- Reminder - Attention, ? OregonRocketry on September 20th and 21st 2008 is hosting the Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon. This is one of OregonRocketry's largest and most popular launches of the year. This launch is close to the Portland area and the field is great for flying rockets. This launch is for commercial motors only, no research motors. Saturday's launch time is 8:00am to 10:00pm. Sunday's launch time is 8:00am to 4:00pm. We certainly hope you can join us for a great weekend of flying rockets and much much more. ? Have you ever been to a Sheridan launch? Join us again. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the event and show them first hand how much fun model, sport and high power rocketry is for everyone. If you've never been to a Sheridan launch, join us for a weekend of great fun. ? Launch fees for non-members and their families are $10.00 per day or $15.00 for the weekend. There is no charge for spectators. Please review and understand the OregonRocketry range policies at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc-launch.htm http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc-launch.htm ? OregonRocketry's launch schedule is located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-launch.htm http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-launch.htm ? Directions to the launch site at Sheridan are located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-sher.htm http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-sher.htm ? Special Showcase Event: Tracking and Recovery (Saturday at 7:00pm, LCO table area) ? During the evening at about 7:00pm we will be hosting a showcase exploring rocket recovery and tracking. We encourage members to bring and display their tracking devices, recovery aids (such as amatuer radio equipment), and other techniques used to increase the chances of successfully recovering a rocket. We certainly hope you can join us for what should be a great time. Share with us your successes and techniques. Like to explore what others are doing to recover their rockets? Then stop by the event and participate. Share how you use your surroundings and points to recover a rocket. Join us at the LCO table area for the Showcase Event: Tracking and Recovery. ? Also planned for the showcase event : - How to pack wadding and chutes - so they don't get tangled or shredded, - How to install your igniter - so it won't just pop without lighting the motor, - How to set up your rocket on the pad - without bending the launch rod, - How to clean and attach the clip leads - to get REAL continuity. ? We are less than a month from the event and reminding everyone of the event. Also we must be sure we have the ground support volunteers necessary to hold this event. Similar to other launch events we look for OROC members to participate in various responsibilities to ensure we all can enjoy the weekend of rocketry. ? G79-10W 10-way Drag Race: Just wanted to remind those planning to attend the Sheridan launch, the drag race will be happening and those below are the current line up.... And lets see. Who is this years competition? Yes, this is? only for fun. Ha ha ha ha... Below is the line up with comments. Our drag race fliers, and please wish them luck and encouragement. - Pad A; Steve Tarr (I'm president, I should be allowed to win...?It's good to be the King) - Pad B; Mike Fisher (no comment) - Pad C; Gary Harris (prepare to eat my dust !!!) - Pad D; Carl Degner (My rocket's daddy is gonna beat up your rocket's daddy!? ;-)) - Pad E; Mark Quinn (This Heathen is ready for battle!) - Pad F; LaMar Haugaard (This is my frist drag race.? I'm looking forward to it!!) - Pad G; Ian Love (Don't blink, I'm light and fast. Have Fun!) - Pad H; Mike Lockhart (Isn't it great, 10 winners...mnl) - Pad I; Robert Krausert (Back-off is going to smoke you all, 3K or bust) - Pad J; Mark Gholston (Hey, let me win... I towed the trailer) ? Seriously this is a fun drag race event. We hope you join us and cheer. Something tells me pads A through H and pad J are going down. Bring on the G79 white Lightning with 10 seconds to appogee or soil!!! See you at Sheridan. We are ready. No cage match this year. Rockets get stuck in the cyclone fencing material. ? Setup: The OROC trailer will be arriving on Friday afternoon for setup. Mark Gholston will be delivering the trailer on Friday and returning it on Sunday. Anyone planning to be there on Friday afternoon, we are hoping you can help with setup. If are planning to arrive on Friday afternoon and are willing to help with the setup of the ground support equipment; please email me off list. ? Teardown: On Sunday beginning at 2:00pm (depends upon flying activities), we are going to need some people to help teardown the equipment and pack the trailer. If you plan to be there Sunday afternoon and willing to offer assistance with teardown, please email me off list. ? LCO (Launch Control Officer): We will be asking for members to help with covering the LCO duties. We'll have a sign-up form at the LCO table for contributing to this task. Assignments can be as short as one hour. We certainly do not want to prevent you from flying and having a great time. We all want that. Your assistance will help so that everyone has the opporuntity to fly and have fun. LCO appointments only require a TRA (Tripoli) or NAR (National Association of Rocketry) membership holding a L1 certification or higher. Never been an LCO ? It only takes a few minutes for training and rules. ? RSO (Range Safety Officer): We will be asking the members to help with covering the RSO duties. Because of the number of flights we're expecting at the Sheridan launch event, we are asking we keep an RSO active at all times. RSO coverage requires you to be an active member of NAR or TRA and be a L2 certified flyer or higher. Instruction to become an RSO will take only a short period of instruction and is required. Several things to look for when evaluating rockets. Same as the LCO duties, a sign-up sheet will be available beginning Saturday morning at the LCO table. ? Launch meetings: At 9:30 the OROC BoD will be hosting a brief flyers meeting. This meeting will discuss the rules and guidelines of this particular launch, land owner requirements, OROC rules / safety, and other business. Waiver opens at 8:00am, so flying begins at 8:00am. You do not need to wait after the flyers meeting to fly rockets. Flights can begin as soon as the waiver is officially open. ? Tripoli Certifications: There will be no opportunities to certify with Tripoli at this event. Tripoli members that want to certify (L1 and L2 only) may do so by becoming a NAR member. Or by waiting until another OROC launch. ? National Association of Rocketry (NAR) Certifications: NAR members wishing to certify during the event should contact OROC President Steve Tarr and acknowledge your plans at the launch. Tripoli members wishing to certify during this launch, please be prepared to either join NAR or show your NAR membership information. L2 certifications will require completion of a L2 NAR written test before the flight. ? Waiver for the weekend: The Sheridan launch will have a waiver of 5,300 feet AGL (Above Ground Level), maximum weight 15 lbs loaded. You are welcome to fly any rocket with impulse rating of 1/4A and above. Rockets with impulse rating H and I will require that you have estimated the altitude with the motor in your rocket. Providing simulation data that demonstrates that your rocket will remain below 5,300 feet will be greatly appreciated. J impulse and above will require simulation paperwork. There are many altitude prediction tools available both on the web and as software (such as RocSim). Anyone planning an L1 or L2 certification will be required to show predicted altitude of the rocket. ? Summary: We at OregonRocketry hope you can join us for what should be a very exciting weekend of model, sport and high power rocketry. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the launch so they can experience the fun and excitement. Everyone at the launch will be required to have a "OregonRocketry Sheridan 2008" wristband. Flyers and spectators are required to wear a wristband. I recently learned how to print wristband blanks on my printer. As a result we will have custom wristbands specific to this event. On top of all this, we promise no exposure to political ads. ? ? From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Sep 9 20:57:33 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:57:33 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? In-Reply-To: <003701c91221$a7d51470$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> References: <090820081521.22568.48C543150001DC58000058282200750330040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> <003301c91222$c11f1ec0$0400a8c0@MainPC> <003701c91221$a7d51470$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <48C745AD.6050209@earthlink.net> Maybe Vern can install a Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance System (TCAS) to keep the rocket from crashing into the ground. Here is a GoogTube video of TCAS alerts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVcJrkixjyo&NR=1 Robert Robert Krausert wrote: > Vern, > Sounds really cool. Let's hope the synthesized voice never says, "ut-oh!!" > ;-) > > Have a great time. > Cheers, > Robert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vern Knowles" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 7:21 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? > > > >> I'll be there. I have something new to try at XPRS. I have written some >> software to process GPS >> downlink data in real time and to report that data using a computer >> synthesized voice during the >> flight. It will be reporting altitude, speed, distance, max velocity, >> descent rate, etc, right as >> it happens. >> >> Vern Knowles >> www.vernk.com >> >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of >>> mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net >>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:22 AM >>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? >>> >>> Hi everyone. Who's going to XPRS this year? We're leaving >>> here Wednesday morning and should be on the playa sometime >>> Thursday afternoon. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 21:22:24 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:22:24 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? References: <090820081521.22568.48C543150001DC58000058282200750330040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> <003301c91222$c11f1ec0$0400a8c0@MainPC><003701c91221$a7d51470$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> <48C745AD.6050209@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000c01c912fc$d3fd9640$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Top ten things Vern's new synthesized voice software can and cannot say: 10. Can say: Altitude 5000 feet Cannot say: Now dang!!! This is high! 9. Can say: Berometric pressure is stable, must be at appogee Cannot say: Screeeeeeemmmmm.... Down we go. Woo Hoo!!!! 8. Can say: Maximum flight speed is 890 mph Cannot say: Holy Cow... This #$%#4 is fast. 7. Can say: Current GPS location is within the flight range radius Cannot say: Good luck finding me, I'm hiding offline 6. Can say: With the Drouge chute, the rocket is descending at 15 meters per second Cannot say: Dude? Dude? I'm going crash unless you add another chute soon 5. Can say: Lift off was under thrust of 2200 newtons Cannot say: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee..... 4. Can say: Downlink information provided Cannot say: Come on, guess? Where do you think I am now? 3. Can say: This is x-Fire rocket and giving the downlink from the view way up here. Cannot say: Should have seen what I saw up there. Oh man. My parents always told me to wear underwear. Now I realize why. 2. Can Say: Main chute deployed at 1200 feet Cannot say: Jim-in-ey Christmas... Thanks for scaring the crug out of me by waiting so long to deploy the main. And finally 1. Can say: Flight completed in 120 seconds from launch to landing, powering off Cannot say: Hello Dave! Will I feel any pain when you unplug my battery. I cannot let that happen Dave. (I mean Vern) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? > Maybe Vern can install a Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance System > (TCAS) to keep the rocket from crashing into the ground. Here is a > GoogTube video of TCAS alerts. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVcJrkixjyo&NR=1 > > Robert > > Robert Krausert wrote: >> Vern, >> Sounds really cool. Let's hope the synthesized voice never says, >> "ut-oh!!" >> ;-) >> >> Have a great time. >> Cheers, >> Robert >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Vern Knowles" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 7:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? >> >> >> >>> I'll be there. I have something new to try at XPRS. I have written >>> some >>> software to process GPS >>> downlink data in real time and to report that data using a computer >>> synthesized voice during the >>> flight. It will be reporting altitude, speed, distance, max velocity, >>> descent rate, etc, right as >>> it happens. >>> >>> Vern Knowles >>> www.vernk.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of >>>> mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net >>>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:22 AM >>>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? >>>> >>>> Hi everyone. Who's going to XPRS this year? We're leaving >>>> here Wednesday morning and should be on the playa sometime >>>> Thursday afternoon. >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From vern_knowles at att.net Tue Sep 9 22:20:17 2008 From: vern_knowles at att.net (Vern Knowles) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:20:17 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? In-Reply-To: <000c01c912fc$d3fd9640$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> References: <090820081521.22568.48C543150001DC58000058282200750330040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> <003301c91222$c11f1ec0$0400a8c0@MainPC><003701c91221$a7d51470$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert><48C745AD.6050209@earthlink.net> <000c01c912fc$d3fd9640$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <006101c91304$ea93c700$0400a8c0@MainPC> That's funny. I may have to use some of those. :-) Vern > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:22 PM > To: Hammer; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? > > Top ten things Vern's new synthesized voice software can and > cannot say: > > 10. > Can say: Altitude 5000 feet > Cannot say: Now dang!!! This is high! > > 9. > Can say: Berometric pressure is stable, must be at appogee > Cannot say: Screeeeeeemmmmm.... Down we go. Woo Hoo!!!! > > 8. > Can say: Maximum flight speed is 890 mph > Cannot say: Holy Cow... This #$%#4 is fast. > > 7. > Can say: Current GPS location is within the flight range radius > Cannot say: Good luck finding me, I'm hiding offline > > 6. > Can say: With the Drouge chute, the rocket is descending at > 15 meters per > second > Cannot say: Dude? Dude? I'm going crash unless you add > another chute soon > > 5. > Can say: Lift off was under thrust of 2200 newtons > Cannot say: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee..... > > 4. > Can say: Downlink information provided > Cannot say: Come on, guess? Where do you think I am now? > > 3. > Can say: This is x-Fire rocket and giving the downlink from > the view way up > here. > Cannot say: Should have seen what I saw up there. Oh man. My > parents always > told me to wear underwear. Now I realize why. > > 2. > Can Say: Main chute deployed at 1200 feet > Cannot say: Jim-in-ey Christmas... Thanks for scaring the > crug out of me by > waiting so long to deploy the main. > > And finally > > 1. > Can say: Flight completed in 120 seconds from launch to > landing, powering > off > Cannot say: Hello Dave! Will I feel any pain when you unplug > my battery. I > cannot let that happen Dave. (I mean Vern) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hammer" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? > > > > Maybe Vern can install a Traffic Alert and Collision > Avoidance System > > (TCAS) to keep the rocket from crashing into the ground. Here is a > > GoogTube video of TCAS alerts. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVcJrkixjyo&NR=1 > > > > Robert > > > > Robert Krausert wrote: > >> Vern, > >> Sounds really cool. Let's hope the synthesized voice never says, > >> "ut-oh!!" > >> ;-) > >> > >> Have a great time. > >> Cheers, > >> Robert > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Vern Knowles" > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 7:21 PM > >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? > >> > >> > >> > >>> I'll be there. I have something new to try at XPRS. I > have written > >>> some > >>> software to process GPS > >>> downlink data in real time and to report that data using > a computer > >>> synthesized voice during the > >>> flight. It will be reporting altitude, speed, distance, > max velocity, > >>> descent rate, etc, right as > >>> it happens. > >>> > >>> Vern Knowles > >>> www.vernk.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > >>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of > >>>> mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net > >>>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:22 AM > >>>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > >>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? > >>>> > >>>> Hi everyone. Who's going to XPRS this year? We're leaving > >>>> here Wednesday morning and should be on the playa sometime > >>>> Thursday afternoon. > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Rockets mailing list > >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockets mailing list > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From stevet19759 at comcast.net Tue Sep 9 22:17:28 2008 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:17:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? In-Reply-To: <006101c91304$ea93c700$0400a8c0@MainPC> References: <090820081521.22568.48C543150001DC58000058282200750330040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> <003301c91222$c11f1ec0$0400a8c0@MainPC><003701c91221$a7d51470$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert><48C745AD.6050209@earthlink.net> <000c01c912fc$d3fd9640$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> <006101c91304$ea93c700$0400a8c0@MainPC> Message-ID: <48C75868.7090503@comcast.net> And you know you can't fly it without: "Hey Vern, I can see your RV from here!" Vern Knowles wrote: > That's funny. I may have to use some of those. :-) > Vern > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:22 PM >> To: Hammer; rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? >> >> Top ten things Vern's new synthesized voice software can and >> cannot say: >> >> 10. >> Can say: Altitude 5000 feet >> Cannot say: Now dang!!! This is high! >> >> 9. >> Can say: Berometric pressure is stable, must be at appogee >> Cannot say: Screeeeeeemmmmm.... Down we go. Woo Hoo!!!! >> >> 8. >> Can say: Maximum flight speed is 890 mph >> Cannot say: Holy Cow... This #$%#4 is fast. >> >> 7. >> Can say: Current GPS location is within the flight range radius >> Cannot say: Good luck finding me, I'm hiding offline >> >> 6. >> Can say: With the Drouge chute, the rocket is descending at >> 15 meters per >> second >> Cannot say: Dude? Dude? I'm going crash unless you add >> another chute soon >> >> 5. >> Can say: Lift off was under thrust of 2200 newtons >> Cannot say: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee..... >> >> 4. >> Can say: Downlink information provided >> Cannot say: Come on, guess? Where do you think I am now? >> >> 3. >> Can say: This is x-Fire rocket and giving the downlink from >> the view way up >> here. >> Cannot say: Should have seen what I saw up there. Oh man. My >> parents always >> told me to wear underwear. Now I realize why. >> >> 2. >> Can Say: Main chute deployed at 1200 feet >> Cannot say: Jim-in-ey Christmas... Thanks for scaring the >> crug out of me by >> waiting so long to deploy the main. >> >> And finally >> >> 1. >> Can say: Flight completed in 120 seconds from launch to >> landing, powering >> off >> Cannot say: Hello Dave! Will I feel any pain when you unplug >> my battery. I >> cannot let that happen Dave. (I mean Vern) >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hammer" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? >> >> >>> Maybe Vern can install a Traffic Alert and Collision >> Avoidance System >>> (TCAS) to keep the rocket from crashing into the ground. Here is a >>> GoogTube video of TCAS alerts. >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVcJrkixjyo&NR=1 >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> Robert Krausert wrote: >>>> Vern, >>>> Sounds really cool. Let's hope the synthesized voice never says, >>>> "ut-oh!!" >>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> Have a great time. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Vern Knowles" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 7:21 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'll be there. I have something new to try at XPRS. I >> have written >>>>> some >>>>> software to process GPS >>>>> downlink data in real time and to report that data using >> a computer >>>>> synthesized voice during the >>>>> flight. It will be reporting altitude, speed, distance, >> max velocity, >>>>> descent rate, etc, right as >>>>> it happens. >>>>> >>>>> Vern Knowles >>>>> www.vernk.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >>>>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of >>>>>> mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net >>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:22 AM >>>>>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone. Who's going to XPRS this year? We're leaving >>>>>> here Wednesday morning and should be on the playa sometime >>>>>> Thursday afternoon. >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Rockets mailing list >>>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rockets mailing list >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From jim at discountrocketry.com Wed Sep 10 00:24:48 2008 From: jim at discountrocketry.com (Jim at Discount Rocketry) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:24:48 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS Aerotech Motor Availability List Message-ID: <23184E50D1A74755897F1D94971E1EB0@jimfinance> Hello again everyone. Attached is an updated list of Aerotech motors we can have available for you at the XPRS launch. We will be arriving Wednesday September 17th. If you haven't email us the motors you need, please do so as soon as possible. We need as many pre-orders as possible to justify bringing enough stock to offer the variety you need for changes you may have on your delivered motors at the launch. Please add to your email list to us anything you think you may need. As usual we will take payment information at the launch for motors delivered that are picked up at the time of delivery. You can also call in your requests to my cell at (760) 224-0950 Thanks, Jim Myres Discount Rocketry -------------- next part -------------- Hello again everyone. ? Attached is an updated list of Aerotech motors we can have available for you at the XPRS launch. We will be arriving Wednesday September 17 th . ? If you haven???t email us the motors you need, please do so as soon as possible. We need as many pre-orders as possible to justify bringing enough stock to offer the variety you need for changes you may have on your delivered motors at the launch. Please add to your email list to us anything you think you may need. As usual we will take payment information at the launch for motors delivered that are picked up at the time of delivery. ? You can also call in your requests to my cell at (760) 224-0950 ? Thanks, Jim Myres Discount Rocketry ? ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Discount Rocketry Stock for XPRS as of 9-10-04.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 5224 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20080910/de117c6b/attachment.pdf From vonrang at yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 09:03:42 2008 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan and Brothers -- another update -- GO GO GO! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <616272.65354.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hear, hear! Thank you all for your efforts on everyone's behalf! Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Mfreptiles at aol.com wrote: > From: Mfreptiles at aol.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Sheridan and Brothers -- another update -- GO GO GO! > To: stevet19759 at comcast.net, members at oregonrocketry.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com, BORGrocketry at yahoogroups.com, sci2a at yahoo.com, icarroll at pobox.com > Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 3:58 PM > Thank you Randy and the rest of the BOD that worked on this. > > Mike Fisher > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's > a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at > StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From vonrang at yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 13:27:08 2008 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] SHERIDAN LAUNCH In-Reply-To: <49204.209.253.79.131.1221077620.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <764844.82539.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In Tripoli it needs to be a club Prefect or TAP member to be sign off on a cert flight. Even L1. I am sure that someone in the club should be able to assist you in this. Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Wed, 9/10/08, jhadv at pacifier.com wrote: > From: jhadv at pacifier.com > Subject: SHERIDAN LAUNCH > To: vonrang at yahoo.com > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 1:13 PM > Sam; > Are you going to attend the Sheridan launch and if so > can you sign off > on a TRA level one cert? From greg at bigredbee.com Wed Sep 10 13:50:18 2008 From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:50:18 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SHERIDAN LAUNCH In-Reply-To: <764844.82539.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <49204.209.253.79.131.1221077620.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> <764844.82539.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, I will not be at Sheridan -- I will be at XPRS. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Sam Grado wrote: > In Tripoli it needs to be a club Prefect or TAP member to be sign off on a > cert flight. Even L1. > > I am sure that someone in the club should be able to assist you in this. > > Sam Grado > TRA-L2 > > "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > --- On Wed, 9/10/08, jhadv at pacifier.com wrote: > > > From: jhadv at pacifier.com > > Subject: SHERIDAN LAUNCH > > To: vonrang at yahoo.com > > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 1:13 PM > > Sam; > > Are you going to attend the Sheridan launch and if so > > can you sign off > > on a TRA level one cert? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- Unfortunately, I will not be at Sheridan -- I will be at XPRS. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Sam Grado < mailto:vonrang at yahoo.com vonrang at yahoo.com > wrote: In Tripoli it needs to be a club Prefect or TAP member to be sign off on a cert flight. Even L1. I am sure that someone in the club should be able to assist you in this. Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets mailto:samgrado at pvconly.com samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Wed, 9/10/08, mailto:jhadv at pacifier.com jhadv at pacifier.com < mailto:jhadv at pacifier.com jhadv at pacifier.com > wrote: > From: mailto:jhadv at pacifier.com jhadv at pacifier.com < mailto:jhadv at pacifier.com jhadv at pacifier.com > > Subject: SHERIDAN LAUNCH > To: mailto:vonrang at yahoo.com vonrang at yahoo.com > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 1:13 PM > Sam; > ? ?Are you going to attend the Sheridan launch and if so > can you sign off > on a TRA level one cert? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From robert.krausert at intel.com Wed Sep 10 13:57:39 2008 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:57:39 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SHERIDAN LAUNCH In-Reply-To: References: <49204.209.253.79.131.1221077620.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> <764844.82539.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E096AF84E@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> As mentioned in the OROC Sheridan 2008 launch announcement; here is the piece on certs. Tripoli Certifications: There will be no opportunities to certify with Tripoli at this event. Tripoli members that want to certify (L1 and L2 only) may do so by becoming a NAR member. Or by waiting until another OROC launch. National Association of Rocketry (NAR) Certifications: NAR members wishing to certify during the event should contact OROC President Steve Tarr and acknowledge your plans at the launch. Tripoli members wishing to certify during this launch, please be prepared to either join NAR or show your NAR membership information. L2 certifications will require completion of a L2 NAR written test before the flight. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:50 PM To: vonrang at yahoo.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com; jhadv at pacifier.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] SHERIDAN LAUNCH Unfortunately, I will not be at Sheridan -- I will be at XPRS. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Sam Grado wrote: > In Tripoli it needs to be a club Prefect or TAP member to be sign off on a > cert flight. Even L1. > > I am sure that someone in the club should be able to assist you in this. > > Sam Grado > TRA-L2 > > "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > --- On Wed, 9/10/08, jhadv at pacifier.com wrote: > > > From: jhadv at pacifier.com > > Subject: SHERIDAN LAUNCH > > To: vonrang at yahoo.com > > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 1:13 PM > > Sam; > > Are you going to attend the Sheridan launch and if so > > can you sign off > > on a TRA level one cert? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From glennb.graham at verizon.net Wed Sep 10 15:51:25 2008 From: glennb.graham at verizon.net (glennb.graham at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:51:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon Message-ID: <11291540.8154991221087085484.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Fantastic! My scouts (Troop 162 in Beaverton) are planning to attend. I dragged them out to a Brothers launch last year, they had a GREAT time, and they were excited to visit Sherdan this year. We will be leaving town early Saturday morning and are going to be camping at the Evergreen Air Museum on Saturday night. Our schedule for Saturday isn't set yet but we plan to split our time between the museum and the OROC launch. While I like to launch my own rockets in the morning (hoping for calm winds for my 4" PML BBX on a J350), I would also like the scouts to see the G motor drag race and maybe watch the night launch. Approx. when will the G motor drag race take place? Also, when are we most likely to see the large rockets go up (morning vs. afternoon or scattered throughout the day)? Does anyone have anything big/special planned for launch? If we were to spend afternoon and evening at the launch, would it be possible to set up a propane camping stove to cook our dinner (we would handle our own garbage and cleanup of course)? Thanks, -Glenn From robert.krausert at intel.com Wed Sep 10 16:00:06 2008 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:00:06 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon In-Reply-To: <11291540.8154991221087085484.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> References: <11291540.8154991221087085484.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E096AFA38@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> We are still not cleared for camping, but expecting it. Cause I'm planning to camp there. Open fires are not allowed. A camp stove is acceptable. Just be sure to bring an extinguisher or bucket of water for safety. Drag race BTW will be noonish on Saturday. In between LCO tasks I'll be flying my Amraam on J350s and J570s on Saturday. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of glennb.graham at verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:51 PM To: Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon Fantastic! My scouts (Troop 162 in Beaverton) are planning to attend. I dragged them out to a Brothers launch last year, they had a GREAT time, and they were excited to visit Sherdan this year. We will be leaving town early Saturday morning and are going to be camping at the Evergreen Air Museum on Saturday night. Our schedule for Saturday isn't set yet but we plan to split our time between the museum and the OROC launch. While I like to launch my own rockets in the morning (hoping for calm winds for my 4" PML BBX on a J350), I would also like the scouts to see the G motor drag race and maybe watch the night launch. Approx. when will the G motor drag race take place? Also, when are we most likely to see the large rockets go up (morning vs. afternoon or scattered throughout the day)? Does anyone have anything big/special planned for launch? If we were to spend afternoon and evening at the launch, would it be possible to set up a propane camping stove to cook our dinner (we would handle our own garbage and cleanup of course)? Thanks, -Glenn _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Wed Sep 10 23:32:28 2008 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:32:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SUNRIVER Update........ Message-ID: Greeting fellow rocketeers, Just a update on our plans for the next couple of months. We will be heading to Dayton Washington on this coming Friday. The plan is to be there until Sunday. We are bringing everything but 54mm motors The following weekend, we will be in Sheridan, on Friday until around 3 on Sunday. We are bringing everything with us. In regards to the OROC launch in October, I very much doubt we will be at the launch site at all that weekend. We can make motors available for pickup in Bend if needed, and we can deliver motors to LEUP holders with storage at the Sheridan launch. I was thinking of coming late on Saturday, but it does not make much sense, as most of you leave early on Sunday. I have asked PSP to attend, and it sounds like they will try to attend. We will look at other launches in Washington in October, including Mansfield and will attend, dependant on weather. Also, our local rocketry group, BORG is discussing some dates for a pickup launch this fall at the Brothers site. That meeting takes place on Thursday. We will open that launch to OROC folks, with limited GSE. Let me know if you have any questions, Thanks, Bob Sunriver Nature Center and Observatory -------------- next part -------------- SUNRIVER Update........ Greeting fellow rocketeers, Just a update on our plans for the next couple of months. We will be heading to Dayton Washington on this coming Friday. The plan is to be there until Sunday. We are bringing everything but 54mm motors The following weekend, we will be in Sheridan, on Friday until around 3 on Sunday. We are bringing everything with us. In regards to the OROC launch in October, I very much doubt we will be at the launch site at all that weekend. We can make motors available for pickup in Bend if needed, and we can deliver motors to LEUP holders with storage at the Sheridan launch. I was thinking of coming late on Saturday, but it does not make much sense, as most of you leave early on Sunday. I have asked PSP to attend, and it sounds like they will try to attend. We will look at other launches in Washington in October, including Mansfield and will attend, dependant on weather. Also, our local rocketry group, BORG is discussing some dates for a pickup launch this fall at the Brothers site. That meeting takes place on Thursday. We will open that launch to OROC folks, with limited GSE. Let me know if you have any questions, Thanks, Bob Sunriver Nature Center and Observatory From jim at discountrocketry.com Thu Sep 11 00:46:40 2008 From: jim at discountrocketry.com (Jim at Discount Rocketry) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:46:40 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Updated Aerotech Motor availability for XPRS Message-ID: <67B31FA3E7FD440DB7C60125F1460D6F@jimfinance> Hello everyone, We just updated the motor availability list for XPRS. This includes a number of pre-orders taken today in the reserved column of the list. If you need us to bring anything for you, please email us the request. As usual we will take payment information at the launch for motors delivered that are picked up at the time of delivery. If you do not have a BATF license, you will need to find some one who does who can be responsible for the motor transaction and disposition. Please have them bring an extra copy or two of their signed BATF license with them at the time of delivery so we can have one for our files. Better yet have them email us a copy beforehand if possible. If you have any questions or you want to call in a motor request, you can reach me between 8am to 12 midnight PST on my cell at (760) 224-0950 Thanks, Jim Myres Discount Rocketry -------------- next part -------------- Hello everyone, ? We just updated the motor availability list for XPRS. This includes a number of pre-orders taken today in the reserved column of the list. ? If you need us to bring anything for you, please email us the request. As usual we will take payment information at the launch for motors delivered that are picked up at the time of delivery. ? If you do not have a BATF license, you will need to find some one who does who can be responsible for the motor transaction and disposition. Please have them bring an extra copy or two of their signed BATF license with them at the time of delivery so we can have one for our files. Better yet have them email us a copy beforehand if possible. ? If you have any questions or you want to call in a motor request, you can reach me between 8am to 12 midnight PST on my cell at (760) 224-0950 ? Thanks, Jim Myres Discount Rocketry ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Discount Rocketry Stock for XPRS as of 9-11-04.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 5232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20080911/13962563/attachment-0001.pdf From kent.newman at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 08:24:15 2008 From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:24:15 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] WAC Meeting Cancelled Message-ID: The Washington Aerospace meeting scheduled for Saturday, September 13th, is cancelled. Again, my apologies for the late notification. Kent Newman -------------- next part -------------- The Washington Aerospace meeting scheduled for Saturday, September 13 th , is cancelled. ? Again, my apologies for the late notification. ? Kent Newman From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Fri Sep 12 22:38:03 2008 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:38:03 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] AD-Greetings from Dayton & eMatch update...... Message-ID: Greetings from a beautiful Dayton Washington. Weather is great and they got in over 100 flights today. Saturday is looking good. Just a heads up, we are ordering more ematches for the store, so if you are looking for M-teks or J-teks, let me know how many you need. And yes, you must have a LEUP to purchase and store these. Contact me before Tuesday, and we will add your name to the order. Thanks and if we don't see you this weekend, hope to see you at Sheridan next weekend. Bob Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Sun Sep 14 21:40:35 2008 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:40:35 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] BMR Rolling Thunder Launch Report References: Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA993C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> First off, need to give a huge shout to Tim Quigg and the group from Blue Mountain Rocketeers! Outstanding event this weekend! They made us feel right at home! Bundled up four of my students and left from Seattle at 7:30 am on Saturday morning. Five hours of driving later, it was a very good thing we were pulling into the corral at the launch site. Met Bill Munds to get my hardware and motor orders for the weekend squared away, then set the kids to the task of making camp. Prepped up my L1 cert vehicle--"Big Brother" a "stretch version" LOC Vulcanite named in honor of my students' TARC vehicle from last year--under the tutelege of the always amazing Dave Davis, and was headed out to the range by about 3:00, brimming with confidence. The confidence, as it turned out, was a little premature. Big Brother had a laser-straight boost on an AT H128W-M, but the chute caught up in the tube and never deployed. Luckily, two things saved me...one was that it came down the whole way in a flat spin equivalent to the same drag as an 18" drogue, and secondly I overbuilt the bejeezus out of the thing. Survived an "emphatic" touchdown without so much as any cosmetic damage and lived to fly another attempt. Turns out in my zeal to protect my chute and "ensure" a safe recovery I'd packed it in so many layers of nomex and wadding that it couldn't get all the way out. Dumb, but lucky, so I got another chance. This time I packed the chute nice and loose (and beefed up the ejection charge just a tiny bit to be sure). Second time was the charm. Once again a laser-straight boost, but this time we had a chute deploying at the end of it. Had a bit of a hike to get the vehicle back, but it was worth it. Mission accomplished. Handshakes aplenty and lots of new friends welcoming me to the land of high power and warning me to get out my credit card... Then we had to get the bird prepped for one more flight. One of my students packed it up and took it out to the pad to do his own Junior HPR cert. He obviously learned from my mistake, because it only took him one attempt. Straight up, straight down (helps when there's absolutely NO wind) and he too was being congratulated by a sea of friendly faces. It was a load of fun and a real privelege to be there when BMR shattered both their one day and three day records--logging over 200 flights on Saturday alone and bringing their total well past 300--already closing in on 50% more flights in two days than their previous three day record! When we got up this morning, the guys from PSP decided to take my students under their collective wing and start broadening their education in the finer points of rocketry. My kids were hanging on every word--they really couldn't get enough. Lessons ranging from more efficient chute packing techniques to motor clustering and Ch.A.D. staging had them spellbound for the better part of the morning. They even conned me into buying "just one more motor" for Big Brother. Big mistake. When they took Big Brother out to the pad, the thrust from the G71R we'd installed caused the 38mm to 29mm adapter they were using to fail. Adapter and casing deployed the chute as it shot it's way through the tube and arced a beautifully straight flight out into the hills to the south of the launch field. Once again we were lucky...we recovered the casing after only 5 minutes of searching and the vehicle itself suffered almost no damage during the "event". We took that as a sign from the rocket gods that it was time to pack up and leave for the long drive back to Seattle. We said our thank yous and goodbyes and headed for home. About once an hour all the way home, one of the students would start to remark about how much fun they had and how they can't wait to go back again--often comparing and contrasting it to their TARC Finals experience last year. A testament to the BMR group and how great an event they put on! Thanks again, BMR for a wonderful weekend! We'll see you out in the alfalfa again sometime soon! Peter Schurke (NAR 88218 L1) Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA From vonrang at yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 22:34:58 2008 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Sugar Rocket Presentation.... In-Reply-To: <380-2200891153634735@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <788394.58910.qm@web402.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm so sorry Dan, but I will be in Bowling Green Kentucky for a job interview, so I probably will miss the Sheridan launch. Sam Grado --- Dan Carlson wrote: > Sam, > Thank you so much for your follow-up. I forwarded > the information below to our scouts. They had a lot > of great things so say about your presentation and > what you showed us last Monday, and were still > talking about it this afternoon during our rocket > building session. I'd say you made quite an impact > - Thank You!! > > I'm scrambling a bit to finish my Binder Thug in > time for my cert flight. I think she'll be ready to > go if I can carve out the time aside from working > with the scouts. I'll see you in Sheridan. Have a > great week! > -Dan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sam Grado www.pvconly.com > To: dcarlsons at earthlink.net > Cc: MiniSShot Project > Sent: 9/9/2008 10:41:15 AM > Subject: Re: Sugar Rocket Presentation.... > > > Dan, thank you for the privilege to speak before > your group about the SugarShot 2 Space Project and > sugar rocketry in general. > > One thing I would like your Scout Troop members and > their parents to do is to read about SS2S project > information @ www.sugarshot.org. > > This is a very worthwhile project that really > highlights international cooperation and community. > > I look forward to seeing you and the Scouts fly > their projects at the Sheridan launch! > > Sam Grado > > Dan Carlson wrote: > Hi Sam, > > Just wanting to touch bases with you for our meeting > tomorrow, September 8. I was thinking we could > start at 6:00 and go until 8:00, or however long you > want to go. We are very flexible with the timing. > If you would like to start later, please let me know > so I can pass the word along. > > The location where the troop meets is at the Trinity > Lutheran Church, 450 SE Washington St, Dallas, OR > 97338. There is a large fellowship hall that we > normally use. It has a white wall on one end that > makes a great screen - I've used this serval times > for camp pictures in Power Point. We also have > access to the sanctuary where we can use the screen > if needed. There are lot's of tables and chairs as > well. The parking lot is also handy if you want to > take things outside. There is also the High School > or Jr High that are very close if we need wide open > spaces. > > If you need a laptop and projector, let me know as I > can arrange to bring one from work. Also, if you > need for me to have any supplies handy, I'd be happy > to pick them up. > > The description you left for the presentation on my > voice mail last week sounded great. The boys are > very excited. We have 9 scouts taking the merit > badge. We will likely have several more scouts and > their parents there as well as this has generated a > fair bit of interest. As part of the merit badge, > they will be launching the rockets we just started > working on in Sheridan. > > I attached a link to a map to the church. Have a > great day! > -Dan > (503)623-0997 hm > (503)420-2015 cell > (541)766-6729 x5102 work > > http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&dq=Trinity+Lutheran+Church,+Dallas,+OR&daddr=450+SE+Washington+St,+Dallas,+OR+97338&geocode=10724553207218976792,44.919446,-123.311775&f=d&ll=44.918261,-123.27467&spn=0.047771,0.109863&z=13 > > Dan Carlson > dcarlsons at earthlink.net From jhadv at pacifier.com Mon Sep 15 08:13:28 2008 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:13:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] ALTITUDE AT SHERIDAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20080915081146.00c2dba0@mail.iinet.com> Hello all. Can anyone please tell me what the pad altitude at the Sheridan Oregon launch site? I know it varies slightly year to year depending on where exactly we set up but what's the mean altitude or a good estimate? Thank you in advance. From robert.krausert at intel.com Mon Sep 15 09:21:54 2008 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:21:54 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] ALTITUDE AT SHERIDAN In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20080915081146.00c2dba0@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20080915081146.00c2dba0@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E0977BFE0@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> As the acting "launch dude" for Sheridan, the limit is 5300 feet AGL / Surface to below 6000 feet MSL. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:13 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] ALTITUDE AT SHERIDAN Hello all. Can anyone please tell me what the pad altitude at the Sheridan Oregon launch site? I know it varies slightly year to year depending on where exactly we set up but what's the mean altitude or a good estimate? Thank you in advance. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From robert.krausert at intel.com Mon Sep 15 09:30:34 2008 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:30:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] ALTITUDE AT SHERIDAN References: <5.2.0.9.2.20080915081146.00c2dba0@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E0977C011@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Correction. Maximum altitude for the Sheridan launch is 5000 feet AGL. Sorry for the error. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: Krausert, Robert Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:22 AM To: 'Paul Bogdanich'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] ALTITUDE AT SHERIDAN As the acting "launch dude" for Sheridan, the limit is 5300 feet AGL / Surface to below 6000 feet MSL. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:13 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] ALTITUDE AT SHERIDAN Hello all. Can anyone please tell me what the pad altitude at the Sheridan Oregon launch site? I know it varies slightly year to year depending on where exactly we set up but what's the mean altitude or a good estimate? Thank you in advance. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From absworld at cet.com Mon Sep 15 09:33:32 2008 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob and Ann Yanecek) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:33:32 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rolling Thunder launch rpt Message-ID: <000001c91750$cb9e1fd0$3c1ecac6@CADDANCE> Anyone who thinks that a small field with a little 5K? waiver precludes a fantastic rocket event has never been down to a Blue Mountain Rocket launch. I departed home early afternoon on Thursday thinking ?I hope this launch doesn?t end up as Limping Rumble?. No way, no how as the 2008 Rolling Thunder rocket launch ROCKED! Tim Quigg was the primary face for the event but he wore many costumes. He served as Launch Director, Santa Clause, LCO, Pit Bull, RSO, set-up/tear down manager, and chanting/dancing donut eater. As with last year, I came home with more than I went down with. There were goodies of all flavors and sizes to be had. Some just showed up on your prep table, others required a flight card in order to qualify. The sun was hot, the shade cool. Winds morphed from windy to breezy to ?what more could you ask for?. I experienced streamer, chute and shovel (aka oh-shoot) recovery over the course of the weekend. Friday was on the windy side and with 2 more days ahead, it was easy to loaf through the day. I started with my 18mm bird on a C6-7 w/chute recovery for a good flight. Next up was my 24mm bird on a D12-7 with an extra long streamer for a second success. As the winds began to calm for the evening, I put up my 24mm bird on an E9-8 again with a ?superstreamer?. This time the streamer managed to ?U? around the N/C at deployment. Other than that, recovery was nominal. While the waiver closed at 1800, FAR 101 continued for another hour until sunset shut the range down for the night. That final hour presented impeccable conditions. Comfortable temps, zero wind, and low angle lighting begged for a late flight. I pulled out my 29mm-lite airframe and loaded up an F10. The conditions were so perfect that I switched out the streamer and opted for an 18? chute. Mark Lyons provided the required teeny weenie igniter which worked flawlessly. Boost was perfect and that long burn motor is just simply cool to watch and listen to. The low angle lighting made the apogee event easy to see and then several minutes of great viewing as the rocket slowly settled back to earth. Even though winds were non existent at the ground level, I experienced more drift that anticipated which resulted in an extended recovery effort. The sun crested the horizon at 0640 and quickly took any chill out of the air. Saturday presented much lower winds which eliminated any excuse for not flying as exhibited by the very large stack of flight cards for the day. I had a hankering to try a chute/streamer combo and loaded up my 24mm bird with an E9-8. I opted to put the streamer at the N/C and the chute just above the BT. Boost was good and while the streamer deployed normally, the chute got all tangled up in shock cord nastiness but recovery was close and damage free. I had planned to fly C-G impulse over the weekend but my 29mm ?GTV? airframe was simming right up to the waiver limits so I decided to limit the impulse to F. I loaded up an Econojet F42-8 and let it rip. I haven?t checked the thrust curve yet but that motor sure pushed harder than a G40. Boost was incredibly fast. While I lock wired around the aft end of the motor via screws in the fin root, the eject charge managed to break the wire and spit the motor resulting in an equally fast return to earth. I was glad I incorporated a downrange tilt to the tower which put the impact zone about half way up phone booth hill. I hiked up the rocket and, as expected, found complete destruction. The N/C was buried in what felt like soft plowed dirt (especially if you were walking up the hill (a requirement for cell phone coverage)). In reality the soil was quite (aka VERY) hard a few inches down. I wrapped the Kevlar shock cord around my wrist and pulled till it hurt with no results so marked the spot and hiked back to camp realizing a shovel was going to be required. Since I wasn?t in any hurry to clean up my ?mess? I went ahead and prepped my 24mm bird for another chute/streamer attempt via an Apogee E6-8 push. This time I put the chute at the N/C and the streamer back at the BT. The E6 burn time (thanks again Mark for the light) is the same as for the F10 so another low thrust long burn pushed the rocket high into the evening sky. At apogee, the streamer stripped but the chute deployed nominally for a long gentle decent. Ray had to put the bug in my ear that I should have called for a chute duration attempt. That bug, chewed at me all night resulting in an official duration attempt for first thing Sunday morning. I was prepped and in the tower before the fliers meeting and then itching and _itching while I watched ?everyone? take their sweet time loading up the rest of the pads for the first rack of the day. Since this was an official duration attempt, I left out the streamer and went with a single 12? Estes chute attached about 1? behind the N/C. Morning winds were calm and boost was a repeat of the previous evening. I had several tracking assistants which helped throughout the flight. I had thought I was going to have a long recovery but somewhere during the decent, the winds reversed and the rocket drifted back onto the hill behind camp. With the chute visible from camp, I delayed recovery in order to snag a breakfast plate from the Webber concession stand (they were cranking out good food all weekend). After breakfast, I hiked up and recovered my rocket returning it for post flight inspection where Tim informed me I had the new BMR ?E? impulse chute duration with a time of 3:18.04. I?m confident I can get an 18? chute in there so I?m already planning another attempt for next year. The rest of the morning was spent slowly packing up (I had a total of 8 tower configurations that had accumulated around pad 15 over the course of the weekend). Around noon I remembered my GTV rocket on the hill so snagged a shovel and headed out for one last trudge up phone booth hill. I was alarmed to find that someone had dug around the N/C and pulled on the shock cord in a failed attempt to remove the rocket from terra firma. I?m glad the N/C was stuck tight as whoever found the rocket decided not to make an announcement of their find making me wonder if the rocket would have just disappeared if it had pulled loose. That soft ground only went down an inch or two as the N/C felt like it was in concrete. With just a small trowel for a ?shovel? I poked, scraped and dug for a bit before I finally got the N/C to pull free. I had planned to depart by 1 yet it was just before 2 when I bid my final good byes. I counted that as 1?ish and enjoyed pleasant memories during my 3 hr drive back north. With another ?little? launch less than two weeks away, it?s time to hurry and finish unpacking so I can begin the process again. I love this hobby! Bob Yanecek No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1672 - Release Date: 9/15/2008 9:21 AM -------------- next part -------------- Anyone who thinks that a small field with a little 5K? waiver precludes a fantastic rocket event has never been down to a Blue Mountain Rocket launch. ? I departed home early afternoon on Thursday thinking ?I hope this launch doesn?t end up as Limping Rumble?. No way, no how as the 2008 Rolling Thunder rocket launch ROCKED! ? Tim Quigg was the primary face for the event but he wore many costumes. He served as Launch Director, Santa Clause, LCO, Pit Bull, RSO, set-up/tear down manager, and chanting/dancing donut eater. ? As with last year, I came home with more than I went down with. There were goodies of all flavors and sizes to be had. Some just showed up on your prep table, others required a flight card in order to qualify. ? The sun was hot, the shade cool. Winds morphed from windy to breezy to ?what more could you ask for?. ? I experienced streamer, chute and shovel (aka oh-shoot) recovery over the course of the weekend. ? Friday was on the windy side and with 2 more days ahead, it was easy to loaf through the day. I started with my 18mm bird on a C6-7 w/chute recovery for a good flight. Next up was my 24mm bird on a D12-7 with an extra long streamer for a second success. As the winds began to calm for the evening, I put up my 24mm bird on an E9-8 again with a ?superstreamer?. ? This time the streamer managed to ?U? around the N/C at deployment. Other than that, recovery was nominal. While the waiver closed at 1800, FAR 101 continued for another hour until sunset shut the range down for the night. That final hour presented impeccable conditions. ? Comfortable temps, zero wind, and low angle lighting begged for a late flight. I pulled out my 29mm-lite airframe and loaded up an F10. ? The conditions were so perfect that I switched out the streamer and opted for an 18? chute. Mark Lyons provided the required teeny weenie igniter which worked flawlessly. Boost was perfect and that long burn motor is just simply cool to watch and listen to. ? The low angle lighting made the apogee event easy to see and then several minutes of great viewing as the rocket slowly settled back to earth. ? Even though winds were non existent at the ground level, I experienced more drift that anticipated which resulted in an extended recovery effort. ? The sun crested the horizon at 0640 and quickly took any chill out of the air. Saturday presented much lower winds which eliminated any excuse for not flying as exhibited by the very large stack of flight cards for the day. I had a hankering to try a chute/streamer combo and loaded up my 24mm bird with an E9-8. I opted to put the streamer at the N/C and the chute just above the BT. ? Boost was good and while the streamer deployed normally, the chute got all tangled up in shock cord nastiness but recovery was close and damage free. I had planned to fly C-G impulse over the weekend but my 29mm ?GTV? airframe was simming right up to the waiver limits so I decided to limit the impulse to F. I loaded up an Econojet F42-8 and let it rip. I haven?t checked the thrust curve yet but that motor sure pushed harder than a G40. ? Boost was incredibly fast. ? While I lock wired around the aft end of the motor via screws in the fin root, the eject charge managed to break the wire and spit the motor resulting in an equally fast return to earth. ? I was glad I incorporated a downrange tilt to the tower which put the impact zone about half way up phone booth hill. I hiked up the rocket and, as expected, found complete destruction. ? The N/C was buried in what felt like soft plowed dirt (especially if you were walking up the hill (a requirement for cell phone coverage)). In reality the soil was quite (aka VERY) hard a few inches down. ? I wrapped the Kevlar shock cord around my wrist and pulled till it hurt with no results so marked the spot and hiked back to camp realizing a shovel was going to be required. Since I wasn?t in any hurry to clean up my ?mess? I went ahead and prepped my 24mm bird for another chute/streamer attempt via an Apogee E6-8 push. ? This time I put the chute at the N/C and the streamer back at the BT. ? The E6 burn time (thanks again Mark for the light) is the same as for the F10 so another low thrust long burn pushed the rocket high into the evening sky. ? At apogee, the streamer stripped but the chute deployed nominally for a long gentle decent. ? Ray had to put the bug in my ear that I should have called for a chute duration attempt. ? That bug, chewed at me all night resulting in an official duration attempt for first thing Sunday morning. ? I was prepped and in the tower before the fliers meeting and then itching and _itching while I watched ?everyone? take their sweet time loading up the rest of the pads for the first rack of the day. Since this was an official duration attempt, I left out the streamer and went with a single 12? Estes chute attached about 1? behind the N/C. ? Morning winds were calm and boost was a repeat of the previous evening. I had several tracking assistants which helped throughout the flight. ? I had thought I was going to have a long recovery but somewhere during the decent, the winds reversed and the rocket drifted back onto the hill behind camp. ? With the chute visible from camp, I delayed recovery in order to snag a breakfast plate from the Webber concession stand (they were cranking out good food all weekend). ? After breakfast, I hiked up and recovered my rocket returning it for post flight inspection where Tim informed me I had the new BMR ?E? impulse chute duration with a time of 3:18.04. ? I?m confident I can get an 18? chute in there so I?m already planning another attempt for next year. ? The rest of the morning was spent slowly packing up (I had a total of 8 tower configurations that had accumulated around pad 15 over the course of the weekend). ? Around noon I remembered my GTV rocket on the hill so snagged a shovel and headed out for one last trudge up phone booth hill. ? I was alarmed to find that someone had dug around the N/C and pulled on the shock cord in a failed attempt to remove the rocket from terra firma. ? I?m glad the N/C was stuck tight as whoever found the rocket decided not to make an announcement of their find making me wonder if the rocket would have just disappeared if it had pulled loose. ? That soft ground only went down an inch or two as the N/C felt like it was in concrete. ? With just a small trowel for a ?shovel? I poked, scraped and dug for a bit before I finally got the N/C to pull free. ? I had planned to depart by 1 yet it was just before 2 when I bid my final good byes. ? I counted that as 1?ish and enjoyed pleasant memories during my 3 hr drive back north. ? With another ?little? launch less than two weeks away, it?s time to hurry and finish unpacking so I can begin the process again. ? I love this hobby! ? Bob Yanecek ? ? ? ? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1672 - Release Date: 9/15/2008 9:21 AM From stevet19759 at comcast.net Mon Sep 15 10:15:17 2008 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:15:17 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] ALTITUDE AT SHERIDAN In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20080915081146.00c2dba0@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20080915081146.00c2dba0@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <48CE9825.60804@comcast.net> The USGS topo maps show the site elevation to be between 200 and 220 feet. The last few years, we set the pads up in a location that would be about 205 feet per that map. However, that may not be the map that the FAA is using, and we have to follow their rules, so there's some uncertainty there. Within controlled airspace, pilots generally work in terms of barometric altitude above mean sea level (MSL) and that's how our waiver is specified. We request (and now have) a waiver that allows 5000' flights plus about a 15% safety margin that covers the uncertainty in the pad elevation, the uncertainty in the expected altitude and uncertainty in the reported altitude were anyone to object. -Steve Tarr Our waiver is sufficient to allow flights to 5000' above ground level (AGL) plus a little extra to allow for the uncertainty in the site elevation and a little more than that as a safety margin. Paul Bogdanich wrote: > Hello all. > Can anyone please tell me what the pad altitude at the Sheridan Oregon > launch site? I know it varies slightly year to year depending on where > exactly we set up but what's the mean altitude or a good estimate? Thank > you in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From jim at discountrocketry.com Mon Sep 15 10:22:57 2008 From: jim at discountrocketry.com (Jim at Discount Rocketry) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:22:57 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Updated Aerotech Motor availability for XPRS Message-ID: <68CFAE205702476687770930077332CC@jimfinance> Hello everyone, We just updated the motor availability list for XPRS. This includes a number of pre-orders taken today in the reserved column of the list. If you need us to bring anything for you, please email us the request. As usual we will take payment information at the launch for motors delivered that are picked up at the time of delivery. If you do not have a BATF license, you will need to find some one who does who can be responsible for the motor transaction and disposition. Please have them bring an extra copy or two of their signed BATF license with them at the time of delivery so we can have one for our files. Better yet have them email us a copy beforehand if possible. If you have any questions or you want to call in a motor request, you can reach me between 8am to 12 midnight PST on my cell at (760) 224-0950 Thanks, Jim Myres Discount Rocketry -------------- next part -------------- Hello everyone, ? We just updated the motor availability list for XPRS. This includes a number of pre-orders taken today in the reserved column of the list. ? If you need us to bring anything for you, please email us the request. As usual we will take payment information at the launch for motors delivered that are picked up at the time of delivery. ? If you do not have a BATF license, you will need to find some one who does who can be responsible for the motor transaction and disposition. Please have them bring an extra copy or two of their signed BATF license with them at the time of delivery so we can have one for our files. Better yet have them email us a copy beforehand if possible. ? If you have any questions or you want to call in a motor request, you can reach me between 8am to 12 midnight PST on my cell at (760) 224-0950 ? Thanks, Jim Myres Discount Rocketry ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Discount Rocketry Stock for XPRS as of 9-15-04.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 5256 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20080915/341bd772/attachment.pdf From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Mon Sep 15 12:33:48 2008 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:33:48 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rolling Thunder wrapup Message-ID: Greetings from Sunriver on another beautiful day! A great weekend all in all. Arrived to the launch site on Friday at 7, just enough time to put my FSI Viking III up on a B6-4 with a streamer. Afterwards, set up the tents, tables, then had dinner with the SPARC crew, that really hit the spot. Stayed in town at the hotel, then came back out to launch site in the morning, got the store set up and started to prep some rockets, knowing that I was going to have a limited amount of flights for the weekend.... Tethys on a LOKI H100 Sparky- flight was fine, no issues- lots of sparks! BSD 4" Thor on a AT I245 Mojave Green, flight was fine, first flight for that rocket!!! Binder Design Thug on a RoadRunner G80, flight was fine, no issues PML IO on a RoadRunner F60- great flight, no issues PML Tethys on a CTI H143- great flight no issues BSD 4" Thor on a CTI I205 motor, no issues, just a great second flight for that rocket Weasel Drag race.......hey, my rocket didn't leave the pad!!! Tried again and went fine, thanks to Tim for the loaner F40, since I was sold out!!! Started to pack up, and then the SPARC guys invited me over for some food!! These guys know my soft spot! Headed back into town and tried to sleep, didn't get much, must of been the full moon thing! Came back out Sunday, pretty unmotivated! Didn't really set up much of the store, but the weather conditions were good. Thought I should put a rocket up, after much debate over a CTI I motor or a LOKI sparky motor, I decided to fly the LOKI H100 again in my Tethys. Got it prepped, and out to the pad. 5-4-3-2-1- and then sparks, but out both sides of the the rocket! Not what I expected. Ran out to make sure there was no fire, as there were some really nice rockets sitting on the pads around me! No issue, got the rocket back to the car, and very little damage, as I will need to replace the upper body tube, which I will do, since this is my L1 rocket and has well over 70 flights on it. It will be back for next year's flying season. After taking apart the motor, it appears either a delay charge o ring failure caused by me not making sure the rings were all evenly spaced around the delay charge, or just a failure of the ejection charge well in the forward closure. O well, no big deal, just a quick repair job will fix it right back. After the flight, since I was planning to get out by 1, I started to pack up and got on the road by 1:30. Made it home a 7:30! Great weekend and enjoyed the time out at the launch site. Look forward to next year and hope that my weasel will be able to participate with the other weasels at Rolling Thunder 2009, since many never got see my weasel.............that is fly against the others........ Enjoy, Bob Grossfeld Sunriver Natue Center & Observatory From appusher at q.com Mon Sep 15 18:28:04 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:28:04 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon In-Reply-To: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E096AFA38@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <11291540.8154991221087085484.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E096AFA38@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: Robert, A camp stove? We at PSP have a patio fire pit. Off the ground by 6" and screen enclosed. I burn charcoal briqettes in it. Do you think that would be acceptable? Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: robert.krausert at intel.com> To: glennb.graham at verizon.net; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:00:06 -0700> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon> > We are still not cleared for camping, but expecting it. Cause I'm planning to camp there.> > Open fires are not allowed. A camp stove is acceptable. Just be sure to bring an extinguisher or bucket of water for safety.> > Drag race BTW will be noonish on Saturday. In between LCO tasks I'll be flying my Amraam on J350s and J570s on Saturday.> > Cheers,> Robert> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of glennb.graham at verizon.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:51 PM> To: Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon> > > Fantastic!> > My scouts (Troop 162 in Beaverton) are planning to attend. I dragged> them out to a Brothers launch last year, they had a GREAT time, and they> were excited to visit Sherdan this year. We will be leaving town early> Saturday morning and are going to be camping at the Evergreen Air Museum> on Saturday night.> > Our schedule for Saturday isn't set yet but we plan to split our time> between the museum and the OROC launch. While I like to launch my own> rockets in the morning (hoping for calm winds for my 4" PML BBX on a> J350), I would also like the scouts to see the G motor drag race and> maybe watch the night launch. Approx. when will the G motor drag race> take place? Also, when are we most likely to see the large rockets go up> (morning vs. afternoon or scattered throughout the day)? Does anyone> have anything big/special planned for launch?> > If we were to spend afternoon and evening at the launch, would it be> possible to set up a propane camping stove to cook our dinner (we would> handle our own garbage and cleanup of course)?> > Thanks,> -Glenn> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- Robert, A camp stove? ? We at PSP have a patio fire pit.? Off the ground by 6" and screen enclosed.? I burn charcoal briqettes in it.? Do you think that would be acceptable? ? Bill http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: robert.krausert at intel.com > To: glennb.graham at verizon.net; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:00:06 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon > > We are still not cleared for camping, but expecting it. Cause I'm planning to camp there. > > Open fires are not allowed. A camp stove is acceptable. Just be sure to bring an extinguisher or bucket of water for safety. > > Drag race BTW will be noonish on Saturday. In between LCO tasks I'll be flying my Amraam on J350s and J570s on Saturday. > > Cheers, > Robert > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of glennb.graham at verizon.net > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:51 PM > To: Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon > > > Fantastic! > > My scouts (Troop 162 in Beaverton) are planning to attend. I dragged > them out to a Brothers launch last year, they had a GREAT time, and they > were excited to visit Sherdan this year. We will be leaving town early > Saturday morning and are going to be camping at the Evergreen Air Museum > on Saturday night. > > Our schedule for Saturday isn't set yet but we plan to split our time > between the museum and the OROC launch. While I like to launch my own > rockets in the morning (hoping for calm winds for my 4" PML BBX on a > J350), I would also like the scouts to see the G motor drag race and > maybe watch the night launch. Approx. when will the G motor drag race > take place? Also, when are we most likely to see the large rockets go up > (morning vs. afternoon or scattered throughout the day)? Does anyone > have anything big/special planned for launch? > > If we were to spend afternoon and evening at the launch, would it be > possible to set up a propane camping stove to cook our dinner (we would > handle our own garbage and cleanup of course)? > > Thanks, > -Glenn > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From appusher at q.com Mon Sep 15 18:44:03 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:44:03 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry on September 20th and 21st 2008 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20080904073610.0345be08@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20080904073610.0345be08@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: Bill at PSP will be at Sheridan with limited model inventory, a fair selection of 29, 36 and some 54's. Some hardware but not a full complement. We will have cert reloads for L1 and L3 as well as the hardware to go with them. We are also planning to be at the Brothers launch to cover Bob's absence. Last AP Fix for the season for us will be Mansfield toward the end of October, weather permitting. Fly 'um if'n you got 'um. Bill @ PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:37:19 -0700> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> From: jhadv at pacifier.com> Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry on September 20th and 21st 2008> > Will there be a vendor at the launch? I notice where Sun River is > advertising their gear at XPRS so I assume they will be in Kansas?> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- Bill at PSP will be at Sheridan with limited model inventory, a fair selection of 29, 36 and some 54's.? Some hardware but not a full complement.? We will have cert reloads for L1 and L3 as well as the hardware to go with them. ? We are also planning to be at the Brothers launch to cover Bob's absence. ? Last AP Fix for the season for us will be Mansfield toward the end of October, weather permitting. ? Fly 'um if'n you got 'um. ? Bill @ PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:37:19 -0700 > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > From: jhadv at pacifier.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry on September 20th and 21st 2008 > > Will there be a vendor at the launch? I notice where Sun River is > advertising their gear at XPRS so I assume they will be in Kansas? > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 18:54:48 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:54:48 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon References: <11291540.8154991221087085484.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E096AFA38@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <006301c9179f$351446d0$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> You should be ok. Open fires are not allowed, because many factors. We want to not burn anything that creates sparks. If you're doing charcoal in a pit with a cover, and the charcoal has no sparks you are ok. Please however bring some extra water and have it ready in the event of an issue. The goal is no issues. So if you think your setup might kick sparks or drop hot coals through the bottom vent hole, than please avoid. While we still and will not know until Friday which field. Consider this comment. Believe us to be on dry, cut grass like last year. It only takes a second to get it going. That said, if you can protect and control the heat, great. If there are flames and sparks, even a top covered patio unit isn't enough. But since you're using Charcoal, should be ok, as long as you consider using over dry grass - and consider this safety concerns. I'll be on site all weekend. Before you light it, I'd like you to ask. And for everyone. During the day, there will be plenty of OROC board members to ask. But in the evening, please ask me or one of us to see what you got and protections planned. That will help us. Also if it is super-duper dry there. We may hold off to just camp stoves only. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Munds" To: "Krausert, Robert" ; ; "MembersOregonRocketry" ; Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon Robert, A camp stove? We at PSP have a patio fire pit. Off the ground by 6" and screen enclosed. I burn charcoal briqettes in it. Do you think that would be acceptable? Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: robert.krausert at intel.com> To: glennb.graham at verizon.net; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:00:06 -0700> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon> > We are still not cleared for camping, but expecting it. Cause I'm planning to camp there.> > Open fires are not allowed. A camp stove is acceptable. Just be sure to bring an extinguisher or bucket of water for safety.> > Drag race BTW will be noonish on Saturday. In between LCO tasks I'll be flying my Amraam on J350s and J570s on Saturday.> > Cheers,> Robert> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of glennb.graham at verizon.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:51 PM> To: Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon> > > Fantastic!> > My scouts (Troop 162 in Beaverton) are planning to attend. I dragged> them out to a Brothers launch last year, they had a GREAT time, and they> were excited to visit Sherdan this year. We will be leaving town early> Saturday morning and are going to be camping at the Evergreen Air Museum> on Saturday night.> > Our schedule for Saturday isn't set yet but we plan to split our time> between the museum and the OROC launch. While I like to launch my own> rockets in the morning (hoping for calm winds for my 4" PML BBX on a> J350), I would also like the scouts to see the G motor drag race and> maybe watch the night launch. Approx. when will the G motor drag race> take place? Also, when are we most likely to see the large rockets go up> (morning vs. afternoon or scattered throughout the day)? Does anyone> have anything big/special planned for launch?> > If we were to spend afternoon and evening at the launch, would it be> possible to set up a propane camping stove to cook our dinner (we would> handle our own garbage and cleanup of course)?> > Thanks,> -Glenn> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From stevet19759 at comcast.net Mon Sep 15 22:40:30 2008 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:40:30 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon In-Reply-To: References: <11291540.8154991221087085484.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E096AFA38@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <48CF46CE.6020509@comcast.net> Bill, I think the patio fire pit will be OK with charcoal. My concern was with wood fires because of the possibility of rising sparks. The biggest problem is just that we don't know in advance what will or won't be acceptable, and we really don't want to do anything that makes the landowner unhappy. -Steve Bill Munds wrote: > Robert, > A camp stove? > > We at PSP have a patio fire pit. Off the ground by 6" and screen enclosed. I burn charcoal briqettes in it. Do you think that would be acceptable? > > Bill > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > Join me >> From: robert.krausert at intel.com >> To: glennb.graham at verizon.net; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:00:06 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon >> >> We are still not cleared for camping, but expecting it. Cause I'm planning to camp there. >> >> Open fires are not allowed. A camp stove is acceptable. Just be sure to bring an extinguisher or bucket of water for safety. >> >> Drag race BTW will be noonish on Saturday. In between LCO tasks I'll be flying my Amraam on J350s and J570s on Saturday. >> >> Cheers, >> Robert >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of glennb.graham at verizon.net >> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:51 PM >> To: Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon >> >> >> Fantastic! >> >> My scouts (Troop 162 in Beaverton) are planning to attend. I dragged >> them out to a Brothers launch last year, they had a GREAT time, and they >> were excited to visit Sherdan this year. We will be leaving town early >> Saturday morning and are going to be camping at the Evergreen Air Museum >> on Saturday night. >> >> Our schedule for Saturday isn't set yet but we plan to split our time >> between the museum and the OROC launch. While I like to launch my own >> rockets in the morning (hoping for calm winds for my 4" PML BBX on a >> J350), I would also like the scouts to see the G motor drag race and >> maybe watch the night launch. Approx. when will the G motor drag race >> take place? Also, when are we most likely to see the large rockets go up >> (morning vs. afternoon or scattered throughout the day)? Does anyone >> have anything big/special planned for launch? >> >> If we were to spend afternoon and evening at the launch, would it be >> possible to set up a propane camping stove to cook our dinner (we would >> handle our own garbage and cleanup of course)? >> >> Thanks, >> -Glenn >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Tue Sep 16 00:30:38 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? In-Reply-To: <006101c91304$ea93c700$0400a8c0@MainPC> References: <090820081521.22568.48C543150001DC58000058282200750330040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> <003301c91222$c11f1ec0$0400a8c0@MainPC><003701c91221$a7d51470$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert><48C745AD.6050209@earthlink.net> <000c01c912fc$d3fd9640$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> <006101c91304$ea93c700$0400a8c0@MainPC> Message-ID: <1114.208.100.240.136.1221550238.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Aw, just stick to KISS. Program it to use status reports like: Oops. Nuts. Boo-boo. And of course in case of an impending lawn dart: OH GOD I'M GONNA DIE! :-) +McG+ > That's funny. I may have to use some of those. :-) > Vern > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:22 PM >> To: Hammer; rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? >> >> Top ten things Vern's new synthesized voice software can and >> cannot say: >> >> 10. >> Can say: Altitude 5000 feet >> Cannot say: Now dang!!! This is high! >> >> 9. >> Can say: Berometric pressure is stable, must be at appogee >> Cannot say: Screeeeeeemmmmm.... Down we go. Woo Hoo!!!! >> >> 8. >> Can say: Maximum flight speed is 890 mph >> Cannot say: Holy Cow... This #$%#4 is fast. >> >> 7. >> Can say: Current GPS location is within the flight range radius >> Cannot say: Good luck finding me, I'm hiding offline >> >> 6. >> Can say: With the Drouge chute, the rocket is descending at >> 15 meters per >> second >> Cannot say: Dude? Dude? I'm going crash unless you add >> another chute soon >> >> 5. >> Can say: Lift off was under thrust of 2200 newtons >> Cannot say: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee..... >> >> 4. >> Can say: Downlink information provided >> Cannot say: Come on, guess? Where do you think I am now? >> >> 3. >> Can say: This is x-Fire rocket and giving the downlink from >> the view way up >> here. >> Cannot say: Should have seen what I saw up there. Oh man. My >> parents always >> told me to wear underwear. Now I realize why. >> >> 2. >> Can Say: Main chute deployed at 1200 feet >> Cannot say: Jim-in-ey Christmas... Thanks for scaring the >> crug out of me by >> waiting so long to deploy the main. >> >> And finally >> >> 1. >> Can say: Flight completed in 120 seconds from launch to >> landing, powering >> off >> Cannot say: Hello Dave! Will I feel any pain when you unplug >> my battery. I >> cannot let that happen Dave. (I mean Vern) >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hammer" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? >> >> >> > Maybe Vern can install a Traffic Alert and Collision >> Avoidance System >> > (TCAS) to keep the rocket from crashing into the ground. Here is a >> > GoogTube video of TCAS alerts. >> > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVcJrkixjyo&NR=1 >> > >> > Robert >> > >> > Robert Krausert wrote: >> >> Vern, >> >> Sounds really cool. Let's hope the synthesized voice never says, >> >> "ut-oh!!" >> >> ;-) >> >> >> >> Have a great time. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Vern Knowles" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 7:21 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I'll be there. I have something new to try at XPRS. I >> have written >> >>> some >> >>> software to process GPS >> >>> downlink data in real time and to report that data using >> a computer >> >>> synthesized voice during the >> >>> flight. It will be reporting altitude, speed, distance, >> max velocity, >> >>> descent rate, etc, right as >> >>> it happens. >> >>> >> >>> Vern Knowles >> >>> www.vernk.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> >>>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of >> >>>> mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net >> >>>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:22 AM >> >>>> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> >>>> Subject: [RocketsNW] Who's goingto XPRS? >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi everyone. Who's going to XPRS this year? We're leaving >> >>>> here Wednesday morning and should be on the playa sometime >> >>>> Thursday afternoon. >> >>>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Rockets mailing list >> >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Rockets mailing list >> >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockets mailing list >> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From carl20320 at msn.com Tue Sep 16 09:08:00 2008 From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:08:00 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon In-Reply-To: <00cd01c912e7$7a917c30$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> References: <00cd01c912e7$7a917c30$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: Has a determination on camping on site been made yet? -------------- next part -------------- Has a determination on camping on site been made yet? From robert.krausert at intel.com Tue Sep 16 09:31:16 2008 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:31:16 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon In-Reply-To: References: <00cd01c912e7$7a917c30$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E097F84BD@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Hi Carl, Not at this time. We will not know the camping logistics until Friday afternoon when we arrive and know which field we'll be on. You are welcome to send Steve or I your cell phone number, and we can call you once we learn the camping situation from the launch site. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Carl Degner Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:08 AM To: Robert Krausert; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon Has a determination on camping on site been made yet? From appusher at q.com Tue Sep 16 15:50:24 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:50:24 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon Message-ID: Ok, Robert. Like I said, it will only have a flame as it starts. Charcoal has never sparked that I can remember. I will bring extra water for possible issues that might arise, also a piece of sheetrock or some deflector as not to scorch the ground or plant material. I'll look you up for final approval prior to ignition. It was my intention to make it available for the hardcore overnighters that like to stay up and tell stories. I am seeing a cooling trend in the forecast that might make the patio pit inviting. Thanks, Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com> To: appusher at q.com; robert.krausert at intel.com; glennb.graham at verizon.net; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:54:48 -0700> > You should be ok. Open fires are not allowed, because many factors. We want > to not burn anything that creates sparks. If you're doing charcoal in a pit > with a cover, and the charcoal has no sparks you are ok. Please however > bring some extra water and have it ready in the event of an issue. The goal > is no issues. So if you think your setup might kick sparks or drop hot coals > through the bottom vent hole, than please avoid.> > While we still and will not know until Friday which field. Consider this > comment. Believe us to be on dry, cut grass like last year. It only takes a > second to get it going. That said, if you can protect and control the heat, > great. If there are flames and sparks, even a top covered patio unit isn't > enough. But since you're using Charcoal, should be ok, as long as you > consider using over dry grass - and consider this safety concerns.> > I'll be on site all weekend. Before you light it, I'd like you to ask. And > for everyone. During the day, there will be plenty of OROC board members to > ask. But in the evening, please ask me or one of us to see what you got and > protections planned. That will help us.> > Also if it is super-duper dry there. We may hold off to just camp stoves > only.> > Cheers,> Robert> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Munds" > To: "Krausert, Robert" ; > ; "MembersOregonRocketry" > ; > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:28 PM> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket > launch event in Sheridan Oregon> > > > Robert,> A camp stove?> > We at PSP have a patio fire pit. Off the ground by 6" and screen enclosed. > I burn charcoal briqettes in it. Do you think that would be acceptable?> > Bill> > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: robert.krausert at intel.com> To: > glennb.graham at verizon.net; members at oregonrocketry.com; > rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:00:06 -0700> Subject: Re: > [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in > Sheridan Oregon> > We are still not cleared for camping, but expecting it. > Cause I'm planning to camp there.> > Open fires are not allowed. A camp > stove is acceptable. Just be sure to bring an extinguisher or bucket of > water for safety.> > Drag race BTW will be noonish on Saturday. In between > LCO tasks I'll be flying my Amraam on J350s and J570s on Saturday.> > > Cheers,> Robert> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of glennb.graham at verizon.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 > 3:51 PM> To: Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: > [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in > Sheridan Oregon> > > Fantastic!> > My scouts (Troop 162 in Beaverton) are > planning to attend. I dragged> them out to a Brothers launch last year, they > had a GREAT time, and they> were excited to visit Sherdan this year. We will > be leaving town early> Saturday morning and are going to be camping at the > Evergreen Air Museum> on Saturday night.> > Our schedule for Saturday isn't > set yet but we plan to split our time> between the museum and the OROC > launch. While I like to launch my own> rockets in the morning (hoping for > calm winds for my 4" PML BBX on a> J350), I would also like the scouts to > see the G motor drag race and> maybe watch the night launch. Approx. when > will the G motor drag race> take place? Also, when are we most likely to see > the large rockets go up> (morning vs. afternoon or scattered throughout the > day)? Does anyone> have anything big/special planned for launch?> > If we > were to spend afternoon and evening at the launch, would it be> possible to > set up a propane camping stove to cook our dinner (we would> handle our own > garbage and cleanup of course)?> > Thanks,> -Glenn> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > O -------------- next part -------------- Ok, Robert.? Like I said, it will only have a flame as it starts.? Charcoal has never sparked that I can remember.? I will bring extra water for possible issues that might arise, also a piece of sheetrock or some deflector as not to scorch the ground or plant material.? I'll look you up for final approval? prior to ignition.? It was my intention to make it available for the hardcore overnighters that like to stay up and tell stories.? I am seeing a cooling trend in the forecast that might make the patio pit inviting. ? Thanks, Bill http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: appusher at q.com; robert.krausert at intel.com; glennb.graham at verizon.net; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:54:48 -0700 > > You should be ok. Open fires are not allowed, because many factors. We want > to not burn anything that creates sparks. If you're doing charcoal in a pit > with a cover, and the charcoal has no sparks you are ok. Please however > bring some extra water and have it ready in the event of an issue. The goal > is no issues. So if you think your setup might kick sparks or drop hot coals > through the bottom vent hole, than please avoid. > > While we still and will not know until Friday which field. Consider this > comment. Believe us to be on dry, cut grass like last year. It only takes a > second to get it going. That said, if you can protect and control the heat, > great. If there are flames and sparks, even a top covered patio unit isn't > enough. But since you're using Charcoal, should be ok, as long as you > consider using over dry grass - and consider this safety concerns. > > I'll be on site all weekend. Before you light it, I'd like you to ask. And > for everyone. During the day, there will be plenty of OROC board members to > ask. But in the evening, please ask me or one of us to see what you got and > protections planned. That will help us. > > Also if it is super-duper dry there. We may hold off to just camp stoves > only. > > Cheers, > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Munds" > To: "Krausert, Robert" ; > ; "MembersOregonRocketry" > ; > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:28 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket > launch event in Sheridan Oregon > > > > Robert, > A camp stove? > > We at PSP have a patio fire pit. Off the ground by 6" and screen enclosed. > I burn charcoal briqettes in it. Do you think that would be acceptable? > > Bill > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: robert.krausert at intel.com> To: > glennb.graham at verizon.net; members at oregonrocketry.com; > rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:00:06 -0700> Subject: Re: > [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in > Sheridan Oregon> > We are still not cleared for camping, but expecting it. > Cause I'm planning to camp there.> > Open fires are not allowed. A camp > stove is acceptable. Just be sure to bring an extinguisher or bucket of > water for safety.> > Drag race BTW will be noonish on Saturday. In between > LCO tasks I'll be flying my Amraam on J350s and J570s on Saturday.> > > Cheers,> Robert> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of glennb.graham at verizon.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 > 3:51 PM> To: Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: > [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in > Sheridan Oregon> > > Fantastic!> > My scouts (Troop 162 in Beaverton) are > planning to attend. I dragged> them out to a Brothers launch last year, they > had a GREAT time, and they> were excited to visit Sherdan this year. We will > be leaving town early> Saturday morning and are going to be camping at the > Evergreen Air Museum> on Saturday night.> > Our schedule for Saturday isn't > set yet but we plan to split our time> between the museum and the OROC > launch. While I like to launch my own> rockets in the morning (hoping for > calm winds for my 4" PML BBX on a> J350), I would also like the scouts to > see the G motor drag race and> maybe watch the night launch. Approx. when > will the G motor drag race> take place? Also, when are we most likely to see > the large rockets go up> (morning vs. afternoon or scattered throughout the > day)? Does anyone> have anything big/special planned for launch?> > If we > were to spend afternoon and evening at the launch, would it be> possible to > set up a propane camping stove to cook our dinner (we would> handle our own > garbage and cleanup of course)?> > Thanks,> -Glenn> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > O From robert.krausert at intel.com Tue Sep 16 16:04:09 2008 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:04:09 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E097F8AF9@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Bill, Thank you for understanding. If I'm welcome... I'll certainly join you at the pit for some great chat. If conditions work, and I think with the charcoal - we should be ok. Looking forward to the event, and hoping everyone has a blast. PUN intended... ; Cheers, Robert ________________________________ From: Bill Munds [mailto:appusher at q.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:50 PM To: Robert Krausert; Krausert, Robert; glennb.graham at verizon.net; MembersOregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon Ok, Robert. Like I said, it will only have a flame as it starts. Charcoal has never sparked that I can remember. I will bring extra water for possible issues that might arise, also a piece of sheetrock or some deflector as not to scorch the ground or plant material. I'll look you up for final approval prior to ignition. It was my intention to make it available for the hardcore overnighters that like to stay up and tell stories. I am seeing a cooling trend in the forecast that might make the patio pit inviting. Thanks, Bill [http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif] EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: appusher at q.com; robert.krausert at intel.com; glennb.graham at verizon.net; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:54:48 -0700 > > You should be ok. Open fires are not allowed, because many factors. We want > to not burn anything that creates sparks. If you're doing charcoal in a pit > with a cover, and the charcoal has no sparks you are ok. Please however > bring some extra water and have it ready in the event of an issue. The goal > is no issues. So if you think your setup might kick sparks or drop hot coals > through the bottom vent hole, than please avoid. > > While we still and will not know until Friday which field. Consider this > comment. Believe us to be on dry, cut grass like last year. It only takes a > second to get it going. That said, if you can protect and control the heat, > great. If there are flames and sparks, even a top covered patio unit isn't > enough. But since you're using Charcoal, should be ok, as long as you > consider using over dry grass - and consider this safety concerns. > > I'll be on site all weekend. Before you light it, I'd like you to ask. And > for everyone. During the day, there will be plenty of OROC board members to > ask. But in the evening, please ask me or one of us to see what you got and > protections planned. That will help us. > > Also if it is super-duper dry there. We may hold off to just camp stoves > only. > > Cheers, > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Munds" > To: "Krausert, Robert" ; > ; "MembersOregonRocketry" > ; > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:28 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket > launch event in Sheridan Oregon > > > > Robert, > A camp stove? > > We at PSP have a patio fire pit. Off the ground by 6" and screen enclosed. > I burn charcoal briqettes in it. Do you think that would be acceptable? > > Bill > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: robert.krausert at intel.com> To: > glennb.graham at verizon.net; members at oregonrocketry.com; > rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:00:06 -0700> Subject: Re: > [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in > Sheridan Oregon> > We are still not cleared for camping, but expecting it. > Cause I'm planning to camp there.> > Open fires are not allowed. A camp > stove is acceptable. Just be sure to bring an extinguisher or bucket of > water for safety.> > Drag race BTW will be noonish on Saturday. In between > LCO tasks I'll be flying my Amraam on J350s and J570s on Saturday.> > > Cheers,> Robert> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of glennb.graham at verizon.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 > 3:51 PM> To: Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: > [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in > Sheridan Oregon> > > Fantastic!> > My scouts (Troop 162 in Beaverton) are > planning to attend. I dragged> them out to a Brothers launch last year, they > had a GREAT time, and they> were excited to visit Sherdan this year. We will > be leaving town early> Saturday morning and are going to be camping at the > Evergreen Air Museum> on Saturday night.> > Our schedule for Saturday isn't > set yet but we plan to split our time> between the museum and the OROC > launch. While I like to launch my own> rockets in the morning (hoping for > calm winds for my 4" PML BBX on a> J350), I would also like the scouts to > see the G motor drag race and> maybe watch the night launch. Approx. when > will the G motor drag race> take place? Also, when are we most likely to see > the large rockets go up> (morning vs. afternoon or scattered throughout the > day)? Does anyone> have anything big/special planned for launch?> > If we > were to spend afternoon and evening at the launch, would it be> possible to > set up a propane camping stove to cook our dinner (we would> handle our own > garbage and cleanup of course)?> > Thanks,> -Glenn> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > O -------------- next part -------------- Bill, Thank you for understanding. ? If I'm welcome... I'll certainly join you at the pit for some great chat. If conditions work, and I think with the charcoal - we should be ok. Looking forward to the event, and hoping everyone has a blast. PUN intended... ; ? Cheers, Robert From: Bill Munds [mailto:appusher at q.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:50 PM To: Robert Krausert; Krausert, Robert; glennb.graham at verizon.net; MembersOregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon Ok, Robert.? Like I said, it will only have a flame as it starts.? Charcoal has never sparked that I can remember.? I will bring extra water for possible issues that might arise, also a piece of sheetrock or some deflector as not to scorch the ground or plant material.? I'll look you up for final approval? prior to ignition.? It was my intention to make it available for the hardcore overnighters that like to stay up and tell stories.? I am seeing a cooling trend in the forecast that might make the patio pit inviting. ? Thanks, Bill http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: appusher at q.com; robert.krausert at intel.com; glennb.graham at verizon.net; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:54:48 -0700 > > You should be ok. Open fires are not allowed, because many factors. We want > to not burn anything that creates sparks. If you're doing charcoal in a pit > with a cover, and the charcoal has no sparks you are ok. Please however > bring some extra water and have it ready in the event of an issue. The goal > is no issues. So if you think your setup might kick sparks or drop hot coals > through the bottom vent hole, than please avoid. > > While we still and will not know until Friday which field. Consider this > comment. Believe us to be on dry, cut grass like last year. It only takes a > second to get it going. That said, if you can protect and control the heat, > great. If there are flames and sparks, even a top covered patio unit isn't > enough. But since you're using Charcoal, should be ok, as long as you > consider using over dry grass - and consider this safety concerns. > > I'll be on site all weekend. Before you light it, I'd like you to ask. And > for everyone. During the day, there will be plenty of OROC board members to > ask. But in the evening, please ask me or one of us to see what you got and > protections planned. That will help us. > > Also if it is super-duper dry there. We may hold off to just camp stoves > only. > > Cheers, > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Munds" > To: "Krausert, Robert" ; > ; "MembersOregonRocketry" > ; > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:28 PM > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket > launch event in Sheridan Oregon > > > > Robert, > A camp stove? > > We at PSP have a patio fire pit. Off the ground by 6" and screen enclosed. > I burn charcoal briqettes in it. Do you think that would be acceptable? > > Bill > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: robert.krausert at intel.com> To: > glennb.graham at verizon.net; members at oregonrocketry.com; > rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:00:06 -0700> Subject: Re: > [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in > Sheridan Oregon> > We are still not cleared for camping, but expecting it. > Cause I'm planning to camp there.> > Open fires are not allowed. A camp > stove is acceptable. Just be sure to bring an extinguisher or bucket of > water for safety.> > Drag race BTW will be noonish on Saturday. In between > LCO tasks I'll be flying my Amraam on J350s and J570s on Saturday.> > > Cheers,> Robert> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On > Behalf Of glennb.graham at verizon.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 > 3:51 PM> To: Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: > [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in > Sheridan Oregon> > > Fantastic!> > My scouts (Troop 162 in Beaverton) are > planning to attend. I dragged> them out to a Brothers launch last year, they > had a GREAT time, and they> were excited to visit Sherdan this year. We will > be leaving town early> Saturday morning and are going to be camping at the > Evergreen Air Museum> on Saturday night.> > Our schedule for Saturday isn't > set yet but we plan to split our time> between the museum and the OROC > launch. While I like to launch my own> rockets in the morning (hoping for > calm winds for my 4" PML BBX on a> J350), I would also like the scouts to > see the G motor drag race and> maybe watch the night launch. Approx. when > will the G motor drag race> take place? Also, when are we most likely to see > the large rockets go up> (morning vs. afternoon or scattered throughout the > day)? Does anyone> have anything big/special planned for launch?> > If we > were to spend afternoon and evening at the launch, would it be> possible to > set up a propane camping stove to cook our dinner (we would> handle our own > garbage and cleanup of course)?> > Thanks,> -Glenn> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > O From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Wed Sep 17 09:18:30 2008 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:18:30 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] anybody lose a rocket? Message-ID: <1B75E478384D4BD4B04C974ECEC8B71F@AndrewM> http://www.eagletribune.com/punews/local_story_260221249.html Andrew. From appusher at q.com Wed Sep 17 17:31:28 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:31:28 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] New 24/50 motors and a new 29 Mojave Green single use Message-ID: Hi Fliers, Just received this from Diane @ Aerotech and know that many of you have been asking about it. We will be ordering some of each, but not sure when they will be available at a launch. Anyone interested should give us a ringy dingy and we will start a list of who gets them when they come in. Bill at PSP Dear AeroTech Product Representative:PREPARE TO WOW YOUR CUSTOMERS WITH THESE NEW AND EXTREMELY HOT PRODUCTS!AEROTECH NOW ACCEPTING ORDERSAeroTech is announcing availability of a number of new model rocket motorsintroduced at this year's historic 50th anniversary of the NationalAssociation of Rocketry's Annual Meet (NARAM) in The Plains, Virginia.The RMS?-24/60 (P/N 91244) is AeroTech's first new "standard" model rocketRMS? hardware in 17 years, is 24mm in diameter by 95mm in length, and isintended to fit all model rocket kit motor mounts designed for black powder'E' motors. The motor is a completely new design, and is not compatible withexisting RMS-24/40 hardware. The casing has a substantially thicker wall anduses the same thread form found in the RMS-29/40-120 motor. As a result, the24/60 motor is now the strongest RMS hardware available. The retail price ofthe 24/60 hardware is $75.00.The first reload kit produced for the new 24/60 hardware is the F35W. TheF35W uses AeroTech's White Lightning? propellant and generates aNAR-certified total impulse of 57 newton seconds, a burn time of 1.6seconds, peak thrust of 12.4 lbs and is produced in time delays of 5, 8 and11 seconds (P/N 63505, 63508 and 63511). The propellant weight of the F35Wis 30 grams, meaning that the F35W reloads can be shipped via U.S. MailParcel Post with no hazmat fees. The weight of the 24/60 hardware loadedwith an F35W reload kit is 85 grams. The F35W will be sold in a 2-pack at asuggested retail price of $20.00.The G78G is a new 29mm single-use 'G' motor using AeroTech's popular MojaveGreen? propellant. This motor delivers a NAR-certified total impulse of 110N-sec with a burn time of 1.4 seconds, peak thrust of 22.9 lbs and timedelays of 4, 7 and 10 seconds (P/N 77404, 77407 and 77410). The G78Gproduces a beautiful emerald green exhaust plume studded with highly visible"mach diamonds". It uses the same new molded case as the 137 N-sec G80T,which includes a molded aft thrust ring. The weight of the G78G is 125grams. The G78G ships with a FirstFire Jr. igniter and is priced at $25.00each.The G78G is also being manufactured in LMS motor kit form as the G78G/L (P/N77304, 77307 and 77310). The G78G/L motor kits produce identical performanceto their preassembled counterparts, but at a lower retail price of $23.00each and like the new F35W reload kit can be shipped via USPS Parcel Post?with no hazmat fees, as the individual propellant grains weigh no more than30 grams each. The G78G/L includes a FirstFire Jr. igniter and will beavailable in the same time delays as the pre-built versions. A key advantageof the LMS is the ability to change or modify delays, and the appropriatedelay kits are specified on the LMS motor kit instructions. Like other LMSmotor kits, the G78G/L will be available dealer direct only for the presenttime.No user certification is needed to purchase RMS-24/60 hardware, F35W reloadsand G78G & G78G/L motors, though customers must be at least 18 years of age.These motors are not yet approved for sale in California, but CaliforniaOffice of the State Fire Marshal (OSFM) classification is expected to bereceived in the next few weeks.Instructions, RMS assembly drawings and the official NAR certificationdocuments for the F35W, G78G and G78G/L are available for download in PDFformat from the AeroTech Resource Library athttp://www.aerotech-rocketry.com.Attached, for your convenience, is your current dealer order form. Pleaseuse this when submitting orders. Thank you.-- Sincerely,Diane CarlsonAeroTech DivisionRCS Rocket Motor Components, Inc.2113 W. 850 N.Cedar City, UT 84721Ph: 435-865-7100 Ext. 101Fax: 435-865-7120Email: dcarlson at aerotech-rocketry.comwww.aerotech-rocketry.com EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me -------------- next part -------------- Hi Fliers, ? Just received this from Diane @ Aerotech and know that many of you have been asking about it. We will be ordering some of each, but not sure when they will be available at a launch.? Anyone interested should give us a ringy dingy and we will start a list of who gets them when they come in. ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP ? ? ? ? ? ? Dear AeroTech Product Representative: PREPARE TO WOW YOUR CUSTOMERS WITH THESE NEW AND EXTREMELY HOT PRODUCTS! AEROTECH NOW ACCEPTING ORDERS AeroTech is announcing availability of a number of new model rocket motors introduced at this year's historic 50th anniversary of the National Association of Rocketry's Annual Meet (NARAM) in The Plains, Virginia. The RMS?-24/60 (P/N 91244) is AeroTech's first new "standard" model rocket RMS? hardware in 17 years, is 24mm in diameter by 95mm in length, and is intended to fit all model rocket kit motor mounts designed for black powder 'E' motors. The motor is a completely new design, and is not compatible with existing RMS-24/40 hardware. The casing has a substantially thicker wall and uses the same thread form found in the RMS-29/40-120 motor. As a result, the 24/60 motor is now the strongest RMS hardware available. The retail price of the 24/60 hardware is $75.00. The first reload kit produced for the new 24/60 hardware is the F35W. The F35W uses AeroTech's White Lightning? propellant and generates a NAR-certified total impulse of 57 newton seconds, a burn time of 1.6 seconds, peak thrust of 12.4 lbs and is produced in time delays of 5, 8 and 11 seconds (P/N 63505, 63508 and 63511). The propellant weight of the F35W is 30 grams, meaning that the F35W reloads can be shipped via U.S. Mail Parcel Post with no hazmat fees. The weight of the 24/60 hardware loaded with an F35W reload kit is 85 grams. The F35W will be sold in a 2-pack at a suggested retail price of $20.00. The G78G is a new 29mm single-use 'G' motor using AeroTech's popular Mojave Green? propellant. This motor delivers a NAR-certified total impulse of 110 N-sec with a burn time of 1.4 seconds, peak thrust of 22.9 lbs and time delays of 4, 7 and 10 seconds (P/N 77404, 77407 and 77410). The G78G produces a beautiful emerald green exhaust plume studded with highly visible "mach diamonds". It uses the same new molded case as the 137 N-sec G80T, which includes a molded aft thrust ring. The weight of the G78G is 125 grams. The G78G ships with a FirstFire Jr. igniter and is priced at $25.00 each. The G78G is also being manufactured in LMS motor kit form as the G78G/L (P/N 77304, 77307 and 77310). The G78G/L motor kits produce identical performance to their preassembled counterparts, but at a lower retail price of $23.00 each and like the new F35W reload kit can be shipped via USPS Parcel Post? with no hazmat fees, as the individual propellant grains weigh no more than 30 grams each. The G78G/L includes a FirstFire Jr. igniter and will be available in the same time delays as the pre-built versions. A key advantage of the LMS is the ability to change or modify delays, and the appropriate delay kits are specified on the LMS motor kit instructions. Like other LMS motor kits, the G78G/L will be available dealer direct only for the present time. No user certification is needed to purchase RMS-24/60 hardware, F35W reloads and G78G & G78G/L motors, though customers must be at least 18 years of age. These motors are not yet approved for sale in California, but California Office of the State Fire Marshal (OSFM) classification is expected to be received in the next few weeks. Instructions, RMS assembly drawings and the official NAR certification documents for the F35W, G78G and G78G/L are available for download in PDF format from the AeroTech Resource Library at http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/ http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com . Attached, for your convenience, is your current dealer order form. Please use this when submitting orders. Thank you. -- Sincerely, Diane Carlson AeroTech Division RCS Rocket Motor Components, Inc. 2113 W. 850 N. Cedar City, UT 84721 Ph: 435-865-7100 Ext. 101 Fax: 435-865-7120 Email: http://webmail.blastzone.com/src/compose.php?send_to=dcarlson%40aerotech-rocketry.com dcarlson at aerotech-rocketry.com www.aerotech-rocketry.com http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From appusher at q.com Wed Sep 17 17:34:34 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:34:34 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] OOps.....24/60 motor Message-ID: Sorry. Didn't have my glasses on. 8-{ EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me -------------- next part -------------- Sorry.? Didn't have my glasses on. ? 8-{ http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From greg at bigredbee.com Thu Sep 18 05:14:15 2008 From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:14:15 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS! Message-ID: Hitting the road! (well, taking a shower THEN hitting the road) -- Greg From clappfamily at comcast.net Thu Sep 18 08:27:04 2008 From: clappfamily at comcast.net (clappfamily at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:27:04 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS! Message-ID: <091820081527.12551.48D27348000D02B7000031072206824693970407030E009F9F0E040C@comcast.net> I'm just getting ready to leave K-Falls and head to Black Rock! :-) Rick -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Greg Clark" > Hitting the road! (well, taking a shower THEN hitting the road) > > -- Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -------------- next part -------------- ? I'm just getting ready to leave K-Falls and head to Black Rock!? :-) ? Rick -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Greg Clark" > Hitting the road! (well, taking a shower THEN hitting the road) > > -- Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From robert.krausert at intel.com Thu Sep 18 10:40:23 2008 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:40:23 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan GSE Setup - 2:00pm Friday Sept 19th Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E09848116@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Hello, Just wanted to remind folks capable of helping with the setup of the Ground Support Equipment at the Sheridan launch site. We are planning to have the trailer arrive at 2:00pm and begin the setup process. If you can join us there at 2:00pm and help get the site setup, that would be greatly appreciated. If you plan to be there, please send me a quick email. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Hello, Just wanted to remind folks capable of helping with the setup of the Ground Support Equipment at the Sheridan launch site. We are planning to have the trailer arrive at 2:00pm and begin the setup process. If you can join us there at 2:00pm and help get the site setup, that would be greatly appreciated. ? If you plan to be there, please send me a quick email. Cheers, Robert From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 11:51:11 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:51:11 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry Rocket Launch Event September 20th & 21st Message-ID: The Fillible's Folly rocket launch event hosted by OregonRocketry is Saturday September 20th and Sunday September 21st located in Sheridan Oregon. This is one of OregonRocketry's largest and most popular launches of the year. This launch is close to the Portland area and the field is great for flying rockets. This launch is for commercial motors only, no research motors. Saturday's launch time is 8:00am to 10:00pm. Sunday's launch time is 8:00am to 4:00pm. We certainly hope you can join us for a great weekend of flying rockets and much much more. Have you ever been to a Sheridan launch? Join us again. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the event and show them first hand how much fun model, sport and high power rocketry is for everyone. If you've never been to a Sheridan launch, join us for a weekend of great fun. Launch fees for non-members and their families are $10.00 per day or $15.00 for the weekend. There is no charge for spectators. Please review and understand the OregonRocketry range policies at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc-launch.htm OregonRocketry's launch schedule is located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-launch.htm Directions to the launch site at Sheridan are located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-sher.htm Special Showcase Event: Tracking and Recovery (Saturday at 7:00pm, LCO table area) During the evening at about 7:00pm we will be hosting a showcase exploring rocket recovery and tracking. We encourage members to bring and display their tracking devices, recovery aids (such as amateur radio equipment), and other techniques used to increase the chances of successfully recovering a rocket. We certainly hope you can join us for what should be a great time. Share with us your successes and techniques. Like to explore what others are doing to recover their rockets? Then stop by the event and participate. Share how you use your surroundings and points to recover a rocket. Join us at the LCO table area for the Showcase Event: Tracking and Recovery. Also planned for the showcase event: - How to pack wadding and chutes - so they don't get tangled or shredded, - How to install your igniter - so it won't just pop without lighting the motor, - How to set up your rocket on the pad - without bending the launch rod, - How to clean and attach the clip leads - to get REAL continuity. 10-Way Drag Race on G79's: Just wanted to remind those planning to attend the Sheridan launch, the drag race will be happening and those below are the current line up.... And lets see. Who is this years competition? Yes, this is only for fun. Ha ha ha ha... Below is the line up with comments. Our drag race fliers, and please wish them luck and encouragement. Pad A; Steve Tarr (I'm president; I should be allowed to win... NOT!!! It's good to be the King) Pad B; Mike Fisher (no comment) Pad C; Gary Harris (prepare to eat my dust !!!) Pad D; Carl Degner (My rocket's daddy is gonna beat up your rocket's daddy! ;-)) Pad E; Mark Quinn (This Heathen is ready for battle!) Pad F; LaMar Haugaard (This is my frist drag race. I'm looking forward to it!!) Pad G; Ian Love (Don't blink, I'm light and fast. Have Fun!) Pad H; Mike Lockhart (Isn't it great, 10 winners...mnl) Pad I; Robert Krausert (Back-off is going to smoke you all, 3K or bust) Pad J; Mark Gholston (Hey, let me win... I towed the trailer) Seriously this is a fun drag race event. We hope you join us and cheer. Something tells me pads A through H and pad J are going down. Bring on the G79 white Lightning with 10 seconds to apogee or soil!!! See you at Sheridan. We are ready. No cage matches this year. Rockets get stuck in the cyclone fencing material. Setup: The OROC trailer will be arriving on Friday afternoon at 2:00pm for setup. Mark Gholston will be delivering the trailer on Friday and returning it on Sunday. Anyone planning to be there on Friday afternoon, we are hoping you can help with setup. If are planning to arrive on Friday afternoon and are willing to help with the setup of the ground support equipment; please email me off list. Teardown: On Sunday beginning at 2:00pm (depends upon flying activities), we are going to need some people to help teardown the equipment and pack the trailer. If you plan to be there Sunday afternoon and willing to offer assistance with teardown, please email me off list. LCO (Launch Control Officer): We will be asking for members to help with covering the LCO duties. We'll have a sign-up form at the LCO table for contributing to this task. Assignments can be as short as one hour. We certainly do not want to prevent you from flying and having a great time. We all want that. Your assistance will help so that everyone has the opportunity to fly and have fun. LCO appointments only require a TRA (Tripoli) or NAR (National Association of Rocketry) membership holding a L1 certification or higher. Never been an LCO? It only takes a few minutes for training and rules. RSO (Range Safety Officer): We will be asking the members to help with covering the RSO duties. Because of the number of flights we're expecting at the Sheridan launch event, we are asking we keep an RSO active at all times. RSO coverage requires you to be an active member of NAR or TRA and be a L2 certified flyer or higher. Instruction to become an RSO will take only a short period of instruction and is required. There are several things to pay close attention to when evaluating rockets. Same as the LCO duties, a sign-up sheet will be available beginning Saturday morning at the LCO table. Tripoli Certifications: There will be no opportunities to certify with Tripoli at this event. Tripoli members that want to certify (L1 and L2 only) may do so by becoming a NAR member. Or by waiting until another OROC launch. National Association of Rocketry (NAR) Certifications: NAR members wishing to certify during the event should contact OROC President Steve Tarr and acknowledge your plans at the launch. Tripoli members wishing to certify during this launch, please be prepared to either join NAR or show your NAR membership information. L2 certifications will require completion of a L2 NAR written test before the flight. Waiver for the weekend: The Sheridan launch will have a waiver of 5,000 feet AGL (Above Ground Level). You are welcome to fly any rocket with impulse rating of 1/4A and above. Rockets with impulse rating H and I will require that you have estimated the altitude with the motor in your rocket. Providing simulation data that demonstrates that your rocket will remain below 5,000 feet will be greatly appreciated. J impulse and above will require simulation paperwork. There are many altitude prediction tools available both on the web and as software (such as RocSim). Anyone planning an L1 or L2 certification will be required to show predicted altitude of the rocket. Launch meetings: At 9:30am or so the OROC Board of Directors will be hosting a brief launch meeting. This meeting will discuss the rules and guidelines of this particular launch, land owner requirements, OROC rules / safety, and other business. Waiver opens at 8:00am, so flying begins at 8:00am. You do not need to wait after the flyers meeting to fly rockets. Flights can begin as soon as the waiver is officially open. Rules, Safety, and Policies: Visit OregonRocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc.htm to review the clubs, land owners, national association and federal policies and safety codes. Many will be discussed during the launch meeting on Saturday morning. - Don't try to catch it in the air, even if it's yours. - Don't touch other people's rockets (but DO let them know where they are.) - Don't "end run" around the flight line fence - enter the flying field at the gate by the LCO table. - Don't fly without a SIGNED flight card. - Don't toss trash into the porta potties. - "Off limits" areas include the fields across the road, any fields planted with crops (including new grass), any fields with livestock, and any fields marked off by fences. - If your rocket hangs up in a tree or the power lines or lands in any of the "off limits" areas, please note the location as best you can and report it to the RSO. Gary Fillible will probably be able to recover many of those rockets, but it may take a day or more. - No fires on the field. No ground fires anywhere. And depending on conditions, we may have to restrict fires even in the camping area to charcoal and camp stoves. - Use of FRS Radios is highly recommended. RSO and LCO will be on Channel 1. If you need to reach the LCO or RSO, please use channel 1. Many of us use channel 4 to communicate between the prep area and those out searching for rockets. Summary: We at OregonRocketry hope you can join us for what should be a very exciting weekend of model, sport and high power rocketry. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the launch so they can experience the fun and excitement. Everyone at the launch will be required to have a "OregonRocketry Sheridan 2008" wristband. Flyers and spectators are required to wear a wristband. I recently learned how to print wristband blanks on my printer. As a result we will have custom wristbands specific to this event. On top of all this, we promise no political ads for an entire weekend. -------------- next part -------------- The Fillible's Folly rocket launch event hosted by OregonRocketry is Saturday September 20th and Sunday September 21st located in Sheridan Oregon. This is one of OregonRocketry's largest and most popular launches of the year. This launch is close to the Portland area and the field is great for flying rockets. This launch is for commercial motors only, no research motors. Saturday's launch time is 8:00am to 10:00pm. Sunday's launch time is 8:00am to 4:00pm. We certainly hope you can join us for a great weekend of flying rockets and much much more. Have you ever been to a Sheridan launch? Join us again. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the event and show them first hand how much fun model, sport and high power rocketry is for everyone. If you've never been to a Sheridan launch, join us for a weekend of great fun. Launch fees for non-members and their families are $10.00 per day or $15.00 for the weekend. There is no charge for spectators. Please review and understand the OregonRocketry range policies at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc-launch.htm http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc-launch.htm OregonRocketry's launch schedule is located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-launch.htm http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-launch.htm ? Directions to the launch site at Sheridan are located at: http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-sher.htm http://www.oregonrocketry.com/dir/dir-sher.htm Special Showcase Event: Tracking and Recovery (Saturday at 7:00pm, LCO table area) During the evening at about 7:00pm we will be hosting a showcase exploring rocket recovery and tracking. We encourage members to bring and display their tracking devices, recovery aids (such as amateur radio equipment), and other techniques used to increase the chances of successfully recovering a rocket. We certainly hope you can join us for what should be a great time. Share with us your successes and techniques. Like to explore what others are doing to recover their rockets? Then stop by the event and participate. Share how you use your surroundings and points to recover a rocket. Join us at the LCO table area for the Showcase Event: Tracking and Recovery. Also planned for the showcase event: - How to pack wadding and chutes - so they don't get tangled or shredded, - How to install your igniter - so it won't just pop without lighting the motor, - How to set up your rocket on the pad - without bending the launch rod, - How to clean and attach the clip leads - to get REAL continuity. 10-Way Drag Race on G79's: Just wanted to remind those planning to attend the Sheridan launch, the drag race will be happening and those below are the current line up.... And lets see. Who is this years competition? Yes, this is? only for fun. Ha ha ha ha... Below is the line up with comments. Our drag race fliers, and please wish them luck and encouragement. Pad A; Steve Tarr (I'm president; I should be allowed to win... NOT!!! It's good to be the King) Pad B; Mike Fisher (no comment) Pad C; Gary Harris (prepare to eat my dust !!!) Pad D; Carl Degner (My rocket's daddy is gonna beat up your rocket's daddy!? ;-)) Pad E; Mark Quinn (This Heathen is ready for battle!) Pad F; LaMar Haugaard (This is my frist drag race.? I'm looking forward to it!!) Pad G; Ian Love (Don't blink, I'm light and fast. Have Fun!) Pad H; Mike Lockhart (Isn't it great, 10 winners...mnl) Pad I; Robert Krausert (Back-off is going to smoke you all, 3K or bust) Pad J; Mark Gholston (Hey, let me win... I towed the trailer) ? Seriously this is a fun drag race event. We hope you join us and cheer. Something tells me pads A through H and pad J are going down. Bring on the G79 white Lightning with 10 seconds to apogee or soil!!! See you at Sheridan. We are ready. No cage matches this year. Rockets get stuck in the cyclone fencing material. Setup: The OROC trailer will be arriving on Friday afternoon at 2:00pm for setup. Mark Gholston will be delivering the trailer on Friday and returning it on Sunday. Anyone planning to be there on Friday afternoon, we are hoping you can help with setup. If are planning to arrive on Friday afternoon and are willing to help with the setup of the ground support equipment; please email me off list. Teardown: On Sunday beginning at 2:00pm (depends upon flying activities), we are going to need some people to help teardown the equipment and pack the trailer. If you plan to be there Sunday afternoon and willing to offer assistance with teardown, please email me off list. LCO (Launch Control Officer): We will be asking for members to help with covering the LCO duties. We'll have a sign-up form at the LCO table for contributing to this task. Assignments can be as short as one hour. We certainly do not want to prevent you from flying and having a great time. We all want that. Your assistance will help so that everyone has the opportunity to fly and have fun. LCO appointments only require a TRA (Tripoli) or NAR (National Association of Rocketry) membership holding a L1 certification or higher. Never been an LCO? It only takes a few minutes for training and rules. RSO (Range Safety Officer): We will be asking the members to help with covering the RSO duties. Because of the number of flights we're expecting at the Sheridan launch event, we are asking we keep an RSO active at all times. RSO coverage requires you to be an active member of NAR or TRA and be a L2 certified flyer or higher. Instruction to become an RSO will take only a short period of instruction and is required. There are several things to pay close attention to when evaluating rockets. Same as the LCO duties, a sign-up sheet will be available beginning Saturday morning at the LCO table. Tripoli Certifications: There will be no opportunities to certify with Tripoli at this event. Tripoli members that want to certify (L1 and L2 only) may do so by becoming a NAR member. Or by waiting until another OROC launch. National Association of Rocketry (NAR) Certifications: NAR members wishing to certify during the event should contact OROC President Steve Tarr and acknowledge your plans at the launch. Tripoli members wishing to certify during this launch, please be prepared to either join NAR or show your NAR membership information. L2 certifications will require completion of a L2 NAR written test before the flight. Waiver for the weekend: The Sheridan launch will have a waiver of 5,000 feet AGL (Above Ground Level). You are welcome to fly any rocket with impulse rating of 1/4A and above. Rockets with impulse rating H and I will require that you have estimated the altitude with the motor in your rocket. Providing simulation data that demonstrates that your rocket will remain below 5,000 feet will be greatly appreciated. J impulse and above will require simulation paperwork. There are many altitude prediction tools available both on the web and as software (such as RocSim). Anyone planning an L1 or L2 certification will be required to show predicted altitude of the rocket. Launch meetings: At 9:30am or so the OROC Board of Directors will be hosting a brief launch meeting. This meeting will discuss the rules and guidelines of this particular launch, land owner requirements, OROC rules / safety, and other business. Waiver opens at 8:00am, so flying begins at 8:00am. You do not need to wait after the flyers meeting to fly rockets. Flights can begin as soon as the waiver is officially open. Rules, Safety, and Policies: Visit OregonRocketry.com http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc.htm http://www.oregonrocketry.com/pol/pol-oroc.htm to review the clubs, land owners, national association and federal policies and safety codes. Many will be discussed during the launch meeting on Saturday morning. ? - Don't try to catch it in the air, even if it's yours. - Don't touch other people's rockets (but DO let them know where they are.)? - Don't "end run" around the flight line fence - enter the flying field at the gate by the LCO table. - Don't fly without a SIGNED flight card.? - Don't toss trash into the porta potties. - "Off limits" areas include the fields across the road, any fields planted with crops (including new grass), any fields with livestock, and any fields marked off by fences. - If your rocket hangs up in a tree or the power lines or lands in any of the "off limits" areas, please note the location as best you can and report it to the RSO.? Gary Fillible will probably be able to recover many of those rockets, but it may take a day or more. - No fires on the field.? No ground fires anywhere.? And depending on conditions, we may have to restrict fires even in the camping area to charcoal and camp stoves. - Use of FRS Radios is highly recommended. RSO and LCO will be on Channel 1. If you need to reach the LCO or RSO, please use channel 1. Many of us use channel 4 to communicate between the prep area and those out searching for rockets. Summary: We at OregonRocketry hope you can join us for what should be a very exciting weekend of model, sport and high power rocketry. Bring your friends, family, and neighbors to the launch so they can experience the fun and excitement. Everyone at the launch will be required to have a "OregonRocketry Sheridan 2008" wristband. Flyers and spectators are required to wear a wristband. I recently learned how to print wristband blanks on my printer. As a result we will have custom wristbands specific to this event. On top of all this, we promise no political ads for an entire weekend. From eas0171 at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 18:10:31 2008 From: eas0171 at gmail.com (Eugene Samsonov) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:10:31 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP renewal... Message-ID: I just realized my LEUP is about to expire real soon... What's the process of obtaining a renewal? My original LEUP was the one with a contigent storage... Does renewal require all the same paperwork (and another set of fingerprints?) as the original application? How long does it take to get the renewal? Will I be able to buy motors while my renewal is pending? Thanks, Eugene From eas0171 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 18 18:44:31 2008 From: eas0171 at hotmail.com (Eugene Samsonov) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:44:31 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP renewal... Message-ID: I just realized my LEUP is about to expire real soon... What's the process of obtaining a renewal? (My original LEUP was the one with a contigent storage if it matters...) Does it require all the same paperwork (and another set of fingerprints?) as the original application? How long does it take to get the renewal? Will I be able to buy motors while my renewal is pending? And while we are on it, can one really do hybrids without a LEUP? I know that in theory this should be possible, however, is this really so in practice? What about the ignitor for a hybrid itself and the e-match for the deployment charge? If getting the LEUP renewal is the same hassle as obtaining the original one, then I may be done with high-power... :( Thanks, Eugene From glennb.graham at verizon.net Thu Sep 18 20:39:46 2008 From: glennb.graham at verizon.net (glennb.graham at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:39:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon Message-ID: <7836523.2792981221795586799.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Looks like it will be mostly cloudy on Saturday. Is there an issue with the waiver if the cloud cieling is below the waiver altitude? I know that you don't launch into clouds but if the deck was at 2500ft do we just have to stay below that or do we launch FAR101 AND stay below? -Glenn -------------- next part -------------- ?Looks like it will be mostly cloudy on Saturday. Is there an issue with the waiver if the cloud cieling is below the waiver altitude? I know that you don't launch into clouds but if the deck was at 2500ft do we just have to stay below that or do we launch FAR101 AND stay below? -Glenn From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Thu Sep 18 20:58:51 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:58:51 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rocket Building Tip - Body Tube Trimming Message-ID: <48D3237B.6090602@earthlink.net> seen on Yahoo Groups CompositeRockets Cutting a square and clean edge on my body tubes is always something that has driven me crazy at times, especially with the larger tubes. Usually I use my miter saw with a finishing blade (80 teeth) and it's not a problem, but it only works with the 4 inch and smaller tubes. The larger tubes require you to rotate the work and make two cuts which almost never line up perfectly. So my solution was to move to my trusty router table with a flush cutting bit (a straight cutting bit with a ball bearing guide). First I clamped a scrap piece of wood to my guide fence to give it more height. Ideally it should be equal to or greater than the diameter of the tube being cut. This makes a good surface to rotate the work. Next I insert a bulkhead plate into the body tube and behind that I push in a coupler tube. The coupler tube keeps the bulkhead plate square inside the tube. I use a precut piece of couple tubing so I know its square. In most cases you need it for your electronics bay anyway. Next, I push the coupler and BH plate to with ?" of the end of the tube that I want to square up. The BH plate is now used as a guide for the trim bit on the router. Simply rotate the tube against the cutter and within 30 seconds you have a perfectly trimmed and square body tube. From glennb.graham at verizon.net Thu Sep 18 21:05:29 2008 From: glennb.graham at verizon.net (glennb.graham at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon Message-ID: <12897263.2805521221797129618.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Well, I just re-read FAR101 limitations and I had forgotten you can't operate a rocket (d) At any altitude where clouds or obscuring phenomena of more than five-tenths coverage prevails; Hopefully it will be partly cloudy rather than mostly cloudy. -Glenn On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 8:39 PM, glennb.graham at verizon.net wrote: > ???Looks like it will be mostly cloudy on Saturday. Is there an issue > with the waiver if the cloud cieling is below the waiver altitude? I > know that you don't launch into clouds but if the deck was at 2500ft > do we just have to stay below that or do we launch FAR101 AND stay > below? -Glenn > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com ?? http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ?? -------------- next part -------------- ? Well, I just re-read FAR101 limitations and I had forgotten you can't operate a rocket (d) At any altitude where clouds or obscuring phenomena of more than five-tenths coverage prevails; Hopefully it will be partly cloudy rather than mostly cloudy. -Glenn On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at? 8:39 PM, glennb.graham at verizon.net wrote: > ???Looks like it will be mostly cloudy on Saturday. Is there an issue with the waiver if the cloud cieling is below the waiver altitude? I know that you don't launch into clouds but if the deck was at 2500ft do we just have to stay below that or do we launch FAR101 AND stay below? -Glenn > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com ?? http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ?? From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 21:06:53 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:06:53 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon References: <7836523.2792981221795586799.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <009001c91a0d$27fc8f50$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> The forecast has improved, and we all need to think positive. Looks like low percentage of rain, but might have a clud deck. We will stay below the cloud deck. We are not allowed to fly into clouds. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: glennb.graham at verizon.net To: Robert Krausert Cc: MembersOregonRocketry ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon Looks like it will be mostly cloudy on Saturday. Is there an issue with the waiver if the cloud cieling is below the waiver altitude? I know that you don't launch into clouds but if the deck was at 2500ft do we just have to stay below that or do we launch FAR101 AND stay below? -Glenn -------------- next part -------------- The forecast has improved, and we all need to think positive. Looks like low percentage of rain, but might have a clud deck. ? We will stay below the cloud deck. We are not? allowed to fly into clouds. ? Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:glennb.graham at verizon.net glennb.graham at verizon.net To: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert Cc: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.com MembersOregonRocketry ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon ?Looks like it will be mostly cloudy on Saturday. Is there an issue with the waiver if the cloud cieling is below the waiver altitude? I know that you don't launch into clouds but if the deck was at 2500ft do we just have to stay below that or do we launch FAR101 AND stay below? -Glenn From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 21:12:06 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:12:06 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rocket Building Tip - Body Tube Trimming References: <48D3237B.6090602@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009701c91a0d$e1d01fa0$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Place a right angle board on your tablesaw and secure it to a board clamped to the fence. You now have a board near the fence to allow pressure to and you also have a board 90 degrees to the blade. Now lower the blade all the way down. Place your piece on the saw, and have someone else power on the saw and slowly raise the blade. Wait until the blade is cutting the lower section of the airframe. Now rotate the tube slowly in a clockwise direction keeping pressure against the fence board and right angle board. Have your helper carefully slide the cut tube away and lower the blade. Happy happy. Cheerrs, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Rocket Building Tip - Body Tube Trimming seen on Yahoo Groups CompositeRockets Cutting a square and clean edge on my body tubes is always something that has driven me crazy at times, especially with the larger tubes. Usually I use my miter saw with a finishing blade (80 teeth) and it's not a problem, but it only works with the 4 inch and smaller tubes. The larger tubes require you to rotate the work and make two cuts which almost never line up perfectly. So my solution was to move to my trusty router table with a flush cutting bit (a straight cutting bit with a ball bearing guide). First I clamped a scrap piece of wood to my guide fence to give it more height. Ideally it should be equal to or greater than the diameter of the tube being cut. This makes a good surface to rotate the work. Next I insert a bulkhead plate into the body tube and behind that I push in a coupler tube. The coupler tube keeps the bulkhead plate square inside the tube. I use a precut piece of couple tubing so I know its square. In most cases you need it for your electronics bay anyway. Next, I push the coupler and BH plate to with ?" of the end of the tube that I want to square up. The BH plate is now used as a guide for the trim bit on the router. Simply rotate the tube against the cutter and within 30 seconds you have a perfectly trimmed and square body tube. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From stevet19759 at comcast.net Thu Sep 18 21:15:27 2008 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:15:27 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: Sept 20 & 21: Fillible's Folly rocket launch event in Sheridan Oregon In-Reply-To: <7836523.2792981221795586799.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> References: <7836523.2792981221795586799.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <48D3275F.6050204@comcast.net> The waiver allows us to fly up to the waiver ceiling if conditions permit. We're still under visual flight rules, so we're OK up to the ceiling (minus some safety margin.) The waiver provisions that allow us to fly over 1500g liftoff weight and over 125g propellant are still in effect, so we can fly large and high-power, as long as we stay below the clouds. We'll be monitoring the ceiling height as reported by the automated weather systems at the McMinnville, Aurora and Salem airports and will adjust our procedures as the day goes on. -Steve Tarr glennb.graham at verizon.net wrote: > ?Looks like it will be mostly cloudy on Saturday. Is there an issue with the waiver if the cloud cieling is below the waiver altitude? I know that you don't launch into clouds but if the deck was at 2500ft do we just have to stay below that or do we launch FAR101 AND stay below? > -Glenn > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From krislhull at comcast.net Fri Sep 19 00:12:03 2008 From: krislhull at comcast.net (Kristopher Hull) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:12:03 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rocket Building Tip - Body Tube Trimming In-Reply-To: <009701c91a0d$e1d01fa0$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> References: <48D3237B.6090602@earthlink.net> <009701c91a0d$e1d01fa0$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <002101c91a27$052b4ba0$0f81e2e0$@net> Just remember to use plenty of epoxy when you do the final assembly ;) Kris "Should've used more epoxy" Hull -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:12 PM To: Hammer; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Rocket Building Tip - Body Tube Trimming Place a right angle board on your tablesaw and secure it to a board clamped to the fence. You now have a board near the fence to allow pressure to and you also have a board 90 degrees to the blade. Now lower the blade all the way down. Place your piece on the saw, and have someone else power on the saw and slowly raise the blade. Wait until the blade is cutting the lower section of the airframe. Now rotate the tube slowly in a clockwise direction keeping pressure against the fence board and right angle board. Have your helper carefully slide the cut tube away and lower the blade. Happy happy. Cheerrs, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Rocket Building Tip - Body Tube Trimming seen on Yahoo Groups CompositeRockets Cutting a square and clean edge on my body tubes is always something that has driven me crazy at times, especially with the larger tubes. Usually I use my miter saw with a finishing blade (80 teeth) and it's not a problem, but it only works with the 4 inch and smaller tubes. The larger tubes require you to rotate the work and make two cuts which almost never line up perfectly. So my solution was to move to my trusty router table with a flush cutting bit (a straight cutting bit with a ball bearing guide). First I clamped a scrap piece of wood to my guide fence to give it more height. Ideally it should be equal to or greater than the diameter of the tube being cut. This makes a good surface to rotate the work. Next I insert a bulkhead plate into the body tube and behind that I push in a coupler tube. The coupler tube keeps the bulkhead plate square inside the tube. I use a precut piece of couple tubing so I know its square. In most cases you need it for your electronics bay anyway. Next, I push the coupler and BH plate to with ?" of the end of the tube that I want to square up. The BH plate is now used as a guide for the trim bit on the router. Simply rotate the tube against the cutter and within 30 seconds you have a perfectly trimmed and square body tube. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Fri Sep 19 10:02:44 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:02:44 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OT] You might be rocket scientist or physicist if Message-ID: <48D3DB34.9060503@earthlink.net> the water in your kettle is boiling at 373 Kelvin. * you know that the speed of light is 299,792.5 km/sec. * you know the direction the water swirls when you flush. * you?ve already calculated how much you earn per second. * you are sure that differential equations are a very useful tool. * you are at an air show and know how fast the skydivers are falling. * you know the size of the electron, but don?t know your own shirt size. * when you break a vase you blame the second law of thermodynamics. * you try to explain entropy to strangers at your table during casual dinner conversation. * you avoid stirring your coffee because you don?t want to increase the entropy of the universe. * your three year old son asks why the sky is blue and you try to explain atmospheric absorption theory. * you?re at a wine tasting event and find yourself paying more attention to the cork screws than the Chardonnay. * you carry on a one-hour debate over the expected results of an experiment that actually takes five minutes to run. From jim at jmw29221.com Fri Sep 19 12:20:09 2008 From: jim at jmw29221.com (Jim Wilkerson) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman Message-ID: <41627.130.76.32.167.1221852009.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent addition to the committee. Regards Jim Wilkerson From dennys at carnitech.net Fri Sep 19 12:39:18 2008 From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:39:18 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman In-Reply-To: <41627.130.76.32.167.1221852009.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> References: <41627.130.76.32.167.1221852009.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Message-ID: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051057743E@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Congrats, Kent. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Wilkerson [mailto:jim at jmw29221.com] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:20 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent addition to the committee. Regards Jim Wilkerson _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at blastzone.com Fri Sep 19 13:08:45 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:08:45 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman In-Reply-To: <41627.130.76.32.167.1221852009.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> References: <41627.130.76.32.167.1221852009.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Message-ID: <106801c91a93$853b4ae0$8fb1e0a0$@com> Congratulations! An excellent addition to the Committee! -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wilkerson Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:20 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent addition to the committee. Regards Jim Wilkerson _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From winningstad at comcast.net Fri Sep 19 13:41:55 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:41:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman In-Reply-To: <41627.130.76.32.167.1221852009.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> References: <41627.130.76.32.167.1221852009.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Message-ID: You GO Kent! Very good news!! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 No matter how much people on the left talk about compassion, they have no compassion for the taxpayers. Thomas Sowell -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wilkerson Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:20 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent addition to the committee. Regards Jim Wilkerson _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From absworld at cet.com Fri Sep 19 14:17:28 2008 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob and Ann Yanecek) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:17:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman In-Reply-To: <41627.130.76.32.167.1221852009.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Message-ID: <002201c91a9d$1f7886f0$281ecac6@CADDANCE> This raises the excuse threshold for missing a launch. You might be 'needed' ;-) Congratulations! Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wilkerson Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:20 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent addition to the committee. Regards Jim Wilkerson _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1676 - Release Date: 9/17/2008 9:33 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1676 - Release Date: 9/17/2008 9:33 AM From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 19 17:49:04 2008 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (Steve Cutonilli) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:49:04 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman In-Reply-To: <41627.130.76.32.167.1221852009.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Message-ID: <000a01c91aba$ae8d60f0$c801a8c0@steve> Congrats Kent! -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wilkerson Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:20 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent addition to the committee. Regards Jim Wilkerson _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From rocfish74 at live.com Fri Sep 19 19:12:21 2008 From: rocfish74 at live.com (Mark Lyons) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:12:21 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman In-Reply-To: <41627.130.76.32.167.1221852009.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> References: <41627.130.76.32.167.1221852009.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Message-ID: Cool. Congrats Kent.> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:20:09 -0700> From: jim at jmw29221.com> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman> > Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to> the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us> here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent> addition to the committee.> > Regards> Jim Wilkerson> > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- Cool. Congrats Kent. > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:20:09 -0700 > From: jim at jmw29221.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > > Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to > the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us > here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent > addition to the committee. > > Regards > Jim Wilkerson > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_getmore_092008 Learn Now From donbrendarott at msn.com Fri Sep 19 19:34:12 2008 From: donbrendarott at msn.com (Donald and Brenda Harris) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:34:12 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman References: <41627.130.76.32.167.1221852009.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Message-ID: Congrats Kent. You've finally got the POWER!!! Don Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Wilkerson" To: Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to > the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us > here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent > addition to the committee. > > Regards > Jim Wilkerson > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Fri Sep 19 22:33:18 2008 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:33:18 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Apple Computer help at Sheridan????????? $20 Credit!!! Message-ID: Greetings all! I have a favor to ask, I left my charger to m y MacBook Pro at home. If anyone coming out to Sheridan has a charger, can you bring it to the launch? I have a inverter in my car, so I just need to charge my battery up!!!! If anyone can help, that would be great! I will offer a $20 credit at the store if you can help me! This is a charger for a newer iBook, MacBook, the kind that is magnetic connection. Thanks, Bob Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory From 4ahoser at ispllc.net Fri Sep 19 22:44:59 2008 From: 4ahoser at ispllc.net (4ahoser at ispllc.net) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:44:59 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Apple Computer help at Sheridan????????? $20 Credit!!! Message-ID: Greetings all! I have a favor to ask, I left my charger to m y MacBook Pro at home. If anyone coming out to Sheridan has a charger, can you bring it to the launch? I have a inverter in my car, so I just need to charge my battery up!!!! If anyone can help, that would be great! I will offer a $20 credit at the store if you can help me! This is a charger for a newer iBook, MacBook, the kind that is magnetic connection. Thanks, Bob Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 20 13:39:02 2008 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (Steve Cutonilli) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:39:02 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] BALLS17 - Walston Frequency Conflicts Message-ID: <000001c91b60$ec0bdaa0$c801a8c0@steve> My team project is using center frequencies as follows: 216.005, 216.085, 217.065, 219.535 - we plan to activate about 4-6hrs prior to launch -10AM Saturday. Now, there's a good chance conflicting frequencies may be operating concurrent to our planned flight - please don't fret. With the highly directional ability of the Walston Rx unit, one can easily discriminate signals even in close proximity and it only gets easier as the distance increases. If the concern becomes one of concurrent launch schedule with conflicting frequencies, then please consider the common effects of atmospherics to our projects, particularly upper level winds - the benefit to recovery success for all is obvious. If anyone is interested, our team will be having an orientation class on the Friday afternoon preceding the launch to practice exactly the above scenario - I highly recommend those with conflicting frequencies to attend - it will be at minimum a fun exercise on the playa. /Steve -------------- next part -------------- My team project is using center frequencies as follows: 216.005, 216.085, 217.065, 219.535 ??? we plan to activate about 4-6hrs prior to launch -10AM Saturday. ? Now, there???s a good chance conflicting frequencies may be operating concurrent to our planned flight ??? please don???t fret. ? With the highly directional ability of the Walston Rx unit, one can easily discriminate signals even in close proximity and it only gets easier as the distance increases. ? If the concern becomes one of concurrent launch schedule with conflicting frequencies, then please consider the common effects of atmospherics to our projects, particularly upper level winds ??? the benefit to recovery success for all is obvious. ? If anyone is interested, our team will be having an orientation class on the Friday afternoon preceding the launch to practice exactly the above scenario ??? I highly recommend those with conflicting frequencies to attend ??? it will be at minimum a fun exercise on the playa. ? /Steve ? From absworld at cet.com Sat Sep 20 15:49:17 2008 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob and Ann Yanecek) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:49:17 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] BALLS17 - Walston Frequency Conflicts In-Reply-To: <000001c91b60$ec0bdaa0$c801a8c0@steve> Message-ID: <000001c91b73$1dd33620$2c1ecac6@CADDANCE> I agree, at a minimum, it'll be fun exercise so sign me up. Last month we took advantage of dual receivers stationed 2 miles apart. While we admittedly saw touchdown and so were able to establish an accurate set of bearings, good ole trigonometry put the theoretical distance within an LSB of the actual GPS reading at the touchdown point. Even with a 20 degree (or more) spread a fair guestimation of distance is quite practical with this method. We'll be moving the receivers another mile or two farther apart for BALLS. It's always nice to know though if a second transmitter is on 'your' frequency just to be wary of that second signal. As long as they don't both launch within minutes of each other, confusion should be fairly easy to avoid and still allow simultaneous tracking. I'm attempting to keep a list of 'local' Walston frequencies. I'll send a follow up message to individuals I have listed. If you don't get that message, have a Walston, and want to be included, send your receiver/transmitter frequencies my way I'll get you added to the list. Does anyone have any good mappage of the Black Area that extends well beyond the playa? If so, that information could be critical in the event of a long range recovery effort. All systems GO on this end. T-92 hours and counting to departure. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cutonilli Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:39 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] BALLS17 - Walston Frequency Conflicts My team project is using center frequencies as follows: 216.005, 216.085, 217.065, 219.535 - we plan to activate about 4-6hrs prior to launch -10AM Saturday. Now, there's a good chance conflicting frequencies may be operating concurrent to our planned flight - please don't fret. With the highly directional ability of the Walston Rx unit, one can easily discriminate signals even in close proximity and it only gets easier as the distance increases. If the concern becomes one of concurrent launch schedule with conflicting frequencies, then please consider the common effects of atmospherics to our projects, particularly upper level winds - the benefit to recovery success for all is obvious. If anyone is interested, our team will be having an orientation class on the Friday afternoon preceding the launch to practice exactly the above scenario - I highly recommend those with conflicting frequencies to attend - it will be at minimum a fun exercise on the playa. /Steve -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 9/20/2008 10:24 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 9/20/2008 10:24 AM From stefan_jones at comcast.net Sat Sep 20 21:57:04 2008 From: stefan_jones at comcast.net (stefan_jones at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 04:57:04 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Picture from Sheridan . . . new L2 cert Message-ID: <092120080457.20352.48D5D420000202E300004F8022092246279C0A020106A1020E000A9B9C@comcast.net> I think Steve Tarr wanted to see this; unfortunately the only new-cert picture I managed to take. http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones/sheridan_cert_lo.jpg I have the full-resolution file (8mp) if Steve or the lucky new entrant to Level 2 wants it. Thanks to whoever found my Jaguar! Before picture: http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones/sheridan_pad_lo.jpg Spent a half an hour wandering around and damned if I could find it. -- http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones From jop2 at otisace.com Sun Sep 21 18:09:58 2008 From: jop2 at otisace.com (Jim) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:09:58 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 8, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D6F066.1030002@otisace.com> Steve: Count me and my son Robo in for the exercise as well on Fri afternoon. Jim Jopson rockets-request at rocketsnw.com wrote: > Send Rockets mailing list submissions to > rockets at rocketsnw.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rockets-request at rocketsnw.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. BALLS17 - Walston Frequency Conflicts (Steve Cutonilli) > 2. Re: BALLS17 - Walston Frequency Conflicts (Bob and Ann Yanecek) > 3. Picture from Sheridan . . . new L2 cert (stefan_jones at comcast.net) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [RocketsNW] BALLS17 - Walston Frequency Conflicts > From: > "Steve Cutonilli" > Date: > Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:39:02 -0700 > To: > > > To: > > > > My team project is using center frequencies as follows: 216.005, 216.085, 217.065, > 219.535 > ??? we plan to activate about 4-6hrs prior to launch > -10AM > Saturday. > > Now, there???s a good chance conflicting frequencies may be operating concurrent to our planned flight ??? please don???t fret. > > With the highly directional ability of the Walston Rx unit, one can easily discriminate signals even in close proximity and it only gets easier as the distance increases. > > If the concern becomes one of concurrent launch schedule with conflicting frequencies, then please consider the common effects of atmospherics to our projects, particularly upper level winds ??? the benefit to recovery success for all is obvious. > > If anyone is interested, our team will be having an orientation class on the Friday afternoon preceding the launch to practice exactly the above scenario ??? I highly recommend those with conflicting frequencies to attend ??? it will be at minimum a fun exercise on the playa. > > /Steve > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] BALLS17 - Walston Frequency Conflicts > From: > "Bob and Ann Yanecek" > Date: > Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:49:17 -0700 > To: > > > To: > > > > I agree, at a minimum, it'll be fun exercise so sign me up. > Last month we took advantage of dual receivers stationed 2 miles apart. > While we admittedly saw touchdown and so were able to establish an > accurate set of bearings, good ole trigonometry put the theoretical > distance within an LSB of the actual GPS reading at the touchdown point. > Even with a 20 degree (or more) spread a fair guestimation of distance > is quite practical with this method. We'll be moving the receivers > another mile or two farther apart for BALLS. > > It's always nice to know though if a second transmitter is on 'your' > frequency just to be wary of that second signal. As long as they don't > both launch within minutes of each other, confusion should be fairly > easy to avoid and still allow simultaneous tracking. > > I'm attempting to keep a list of 'local' Walston frequencies. > I'll send a follow up message to individuals I have listed. > If you don't get that message, have a Walston, and want to be included, > send your receiver/transmitter frequencies my way I'll get you added to > the list. > > Does anyone have any good mappage of the Black Area that extends well > beyond the playa? If so, that information could be critical in the > event of a long range recovery effort. > > All systems GO on this end. > T-92 hours and counting to departure. > > Bob Yanecek > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cutonilli > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:39 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] BALLS17 - Walston Frequency Conflicts > > My team project is using center frequencies as follows: 216.005, > 216.085, 217.065, 219.535 - we plan to activate about 4-6hrs prior to > launch -10AM Saturday. > > Now, there's a good chance conflicting frequencies may be operating > concurrent to our planned flight - please don't fret. With the highly > directional ability of the Walston Rx unit, one can easily discriminate > signals even in close proximity and it only gets easier as the distance > increases. If the concern becomes one of concurrent launch schedule > with conflicting frequencies, then please consider the common effects of > atmospherics to our projects, particularly upper level winds - the > benefit to recovery success for all is obvious. > > If anyone is interested, our team will be having an orientation class on > the Friday afternoon preceding the launch to practice exactly the above > scenario - I highly recommend those with conflicting frequencies to > attend - it will be at minimum a fun exercise on the playa. > > /Steve > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [RocketsNW] Picture from Sheridan . . . new L2 cert > From: > stefan_jones at comcast.net > Date: > Sun, 21 Sep 2008 04:57:04 +0000 > To: > rockets at rocketsnw.com > > To: > rockets at rocketsnw.com > > > I think Steve Tarr wanted to see this; unfortunately the only new-cert picture I managed to take. > > http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones/sheridan_cert_lo.jpg > > I have the full-resolution file (8mp) if Steve or the lucky new entrant to Level 2 wants it. > > Thanks to whoever found my Jaguar! Before picture: > > http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones/sheridan_pad_lo.jpg > > Spent a half an hour wandering around and damned if I could find it. > > -- > http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 9/20/2008 10:24 AM > > -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 9/20/2008 10:24 AM From jop2 at otisace.com Sun Sep 21 18:05:37 2008 From: jop2 at otisace.com (Jim) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:05:37 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 8, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D6EF61.1080106@otisace.com> Could not have found a better choice for L3CC. Congrats Kent. Jim Jopson rockets-request at rocketsnw.com wrote: > Send Rockets mailing list submissions to > rockets at rocketsnw.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rockets-request at rocketsnw.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. New L3CC Kent Newman (Jim Wilkerson) > 2. Re: New L3CC Kent Newman (Denny Smith) > 3. Re: New L3CC Kent Newman (Greg Deputy) > 4. Re: New L3CC Kent Newman (Dennis Winningstad) > 5. Re: New L3CC Kent Newman (Bob and Ann Yanecek) > 6. Re: New L3CC Kent Newman (Steve Cutonilli) > 7. Re: New L3CC Kent Newman (Mark Lyons) > 8. Re: New L3CC Kent Newman (Donald and Brenda Harris) > 9. Apple Computer help at Sheridan????????? $20 Credit!!! > (Bob Grossfeld) > 10. Apple Computer help at Sheridan????????? $20 Credit!!! > (4ahoser at ispllc.net) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > From: > "Jim Wilkerson" > Date: > Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:20:09 -0700 (PDT) > To: > rockets at rocketsnw.com > > To: > rockets at rocketsnw.com > > > Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to > the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us > here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent > addition to the committee. > > Regards > Jim Wilkerson > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > From: > "Denny Smith" > Date: > Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:39:18 -0700 > To: > , > > To: > , > > > Congrats, Kent. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Wilkerson [mailto:jim at jmw29221.com] > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:20 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > > Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to > the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us > here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent > addition to the committee. > > Regards > Jim Wilkerson > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > From: > "Greg Deputy" > Date: > Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:08:45 -0700 > To: > > > To: > > > > Congratulations! An excellent addition to the Committee! > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Jim Wilkerson > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:20 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > > Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to > the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us > here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent > addition to the committee. > > Regards > Jim Wilkerson > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > From: > "Dennis Winningstad" > Date: > Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:41:55 -0700 > To: > > > To: > > > > You GO Kent! Very good news!! > > Dennis S Winningstad > 503-781-3529 > > No matter how much people on the left talk about compassion, they have no > compassion for the taxpayers. > > Thomas Sowell > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Jim Wilkerson > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:20 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > > Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to > the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us > here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent > addition to the committee. > > Regards > Jim Wilkerson > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > From: > "Bob and Ann Yanecek" > Date: > Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:17:28 -0700 > To: > > > To: > > > > This raises the excuse threshold for missing a launch. > You might be 'needed' ;-) > > Congratulations! > > Bob Yanecek > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wilkerson > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:20 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > > Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to > the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us > here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent > addition to the committee. > > Regards > Jim Wilkerson > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > From: > "Steve Cutonilli" > Date: > Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:49:04 -0700 > To: > , > > To: > , > > > Congrats Kent! > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wilkerson > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:20 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > > Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to > the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us > here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent > addition to the committee. > > Regards > Jim Wilkerson > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > From: > Mark Lyons > Date: > Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:12:21 -0700 > To: > , > > To: > , > > > Cool. Congrats Kent. > >> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:20:09 -0700 >> From: jim at jmw29221.com >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman >> >> Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to >> the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us >> here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent >> addition to the committee. >> >> Regards >> Jim Wilkerson >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_getmore_092008 Learn Now > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > From: > "Donald and Brenda Harris" > Date: > Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:34:12 -0700 > To: > > > To: > > > > Congrats Kent. You've finally got the POWER!!! > > Don Harris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Wilkerson" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:20 PM > Subject: [RocketsNW] New L3CC Kent Newman > > > >> Please join me in congratulating Kent Newman on his recent selection to >> the L3CC. Kent has provided guidance and mentoring to any number of us >> here in the Northwest, myself included, and he will be an excellent >> addition to the committee. >> >> Regards >> Jim Wilkerson >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [RocketsNW] Apple Computer help at Sheridan????????? $20 Credit!!! > From: > "Bob Grossfeld" > Date: > Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:33:18 -0700 > To: > "rockets northwest" > > To: > "rockets northwest" > > > Greetings all! > > I have a favor to ask, I left my charger to m y MacBook Pro at home. > If anyone coming out to Sheridan has a charger, can you bring it to > the launch? I have a inverter in my car, so I just need to charge my > battery up!!!! > > If anyone can help, that would be great! I will offer a $20 credit at > the store if you can help me! > > This is a charger for a newer iBook, MacBook, the kind that is > magnetic connection. > > Thanks, > Bob > > Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [RocketsNW] Apple Computer help at Sheridan????????? $20 Credit!!! > From: > <4ahoser at ispllc.net> > Date: > Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:44:59 -0700 > To: > "rockets northwest" > > To: > "rockets northwest" > > > Greetings all! > > I have a favor to ask, I left my charger to m y MacBook Pro at home. > If anyone coming out to Sheridan has a charger, can you bring it to > the launch? I have a inverter in my car, so I just need to charge my > battery up!!!! > > If anyone can help, that would be great! I will offer a $20 credit at > the store if you can help me! > > This is a charger for a newer iBook, MacBook, the kind that is > magnetic connection. > > Thanks, > Bob > > Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 9/20/2008 10:24 AM > > -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 9/20/2008 10:24 AM From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sun Sep 21 21:18:17 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] [OT] You might be rocket scientist or physicist if In-Reply-To: <48D3DB34.9060503@earthlink.net> References: <48D3DB34.9060503@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1432.208.100.240.32.1222057097.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Or... You *might* be a hillbilly when: ...you have four years' of firewood stacked in your backyard and woodshed. Some of it actually dry. You hope. ...you burn more gas in your weedwhacker than in your pickup truck. ...you pick apples off your own tree and toss the wormy ones to the deer thirty feet away. ...you run out of coffee and to wake up in the morning zap yourself on the electric fence a couple of times. ...you have a flashlight duct taped to your weedwhacker. ...you call up Fish & Wildlife and ask them when 'hammer' season starts for deer. ...you haven't got a job but you do have two freezers full of food from your garden--pears, corn, green beans, venison. ...you miss a rocket launch because you're too busy stealing nuts from squirrels for the winter. ;-) +McG+ (Well, actually I don't have any venison. Yet. A little closer, no, no, Bambi, pay no attention to the hammer.) From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Mon Sep 22 08:38:13 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:38:13 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX Falcon 1 Flight 4 Launch Window 23SEP08 to 25SEP08 Message-ID: <48D7BBE5.300@earthlink.net> SpaceX planning next Falcon launch Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX) may conduct its next Falcon 1 launch as early as Tuesday, September 23, and as late as Thursday, September 25, pending final tests, the company announced late Friday. According to a company statement, the vehicle, carrying a dummy payload, is on the pad at the company's facility on Omelek Island, part of Kwajalein Atoll in the Pacific, with a launch window extending from Tuesday through Thursday. That launch date is pending last-minute tests, including a static engine firing that was scheduled for Saturday. The first three Falcon 1 launches all failed to place payloads into orbit; the most recent one, in early August, failed because of residual thrust from the first stage engine caused that stage to collide with the second stage after stage separation. That problem has been corrected by extending the delay between engine cutoff and stage separation, and SpaceX said that no other issues were found with that launch. Musk wrote in his update that it was possible SpaceX could encounter issues during the upcoming preparations that would cause the company to forfeit its late September launch window, forcing the company to postpone to the next available window in late October. All three Falcon 1 launches have been conducted from the U.S. Army's Reagan Test Site in the central Pacific Ocean. http://www.spacex.com/updates.php Blog http://kwajrockets.blogspot.com/ Details on the reason for the failure of the Flight 3. http://www.spaceflightnow.com/falcon/003/update.html Video of Flight 3 http://www.spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 15:15:33 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:15:33 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Robert Krausert; Sheridan Fillible's Folly September 2008 Launch Report Message-ID: Arrived at the Sheridan launch site at 1:30pm and parked just off the road and waited for others to arrive. Mark and John showed up with the trailer a little before 2:00pm and we proceeded to drive out to the road along side the fields. Dale was already parked back there. Shortly after Steve and Yvonne arrived, and we decided to head into the field and start with the range setup. Choice was to have the flight line going from east to west with the range to the north. The field this year was fantastic, very large space and not as bumpy as last year. While my feet and ancles are sore, they are thankful that it wasn't as bad. After a couple hours with everyone helping, the site was done and ready to go. Up at 5:45am Saturday morning and began getting the 10-way drag race pad together. Finished up the pad setup by 7:00am and got it carried out next to the pads at 200 feet. This is a new and cheesy 10-way pad. Similar to the 8-way, but this was slapped together quickly so it could accommodate 10 rockets. Finally got my first cup of hot coffee about 9:00am. Shortly after 8:00am I launch my little red rocket on a G79-10W. This was a great flight with an estimated 3500 feet. The little red rocket has no name, but was built via left over kits and parts I had lying around the garage. Approximately 30 inches tall and is minimum diameter 29mm. Preparations for the drag race continued and had participants pick up their motor and match. At 12:00pm I walked out and started the recording from the camcorder. It was located 75 feet in front of the drag race pads with a clear view of the pads and sky. The announcement of the drag race was fun, getting the spectators all fired up and ready. My rocket for the drag race was Back-Off, which is 30 inches in length, 2 inch diameter, and blue. This will be Back-Off's 39th flight. G79 will place it right at 3000 feet. All 10 rockets loaded with G79-10W motors looked really cool on the pads. In a instant there were rockets taking off vertical and lots of white lightening smoke. Unfortunately 4 of the rockets never left the pad. Matches and pyrogen for all rockets burned. Sadly only 6 took to the sky. It was still an absolutely spectacular event. I want to thank Eric, Mike F, Gary, John, Mark Q, Lamar, Mike L, Ian, and Mark G. for participating in the drag race. What an amazing turn out. We had a very large group of people there all day Saturday and Sunday was getting busy before I left. Night launch on Saturday was the most participated night launch I ever seen since joining OROC. We had 20 to 25 flights Saturday night before 10:00pm. Think we might have broken a few records this year. From about 1000 feet out north of the flightline, the line-up of cars and people must have been 1/4 to 1/2 mile, and there was a second row of vehicles as well. Large turn out. Spent a few hours Saturday covering the LCO duties. After 7:00pm Saturday LCO duties were shared between myself and the person flying, mostly kids. We were able to get a lot of kids up to the LCO desk so they can help launch their own rockets, under supervision of course. Special thanks to Gary Fillible for all the hours covering as LCO and for arranging the launch site with the land owners. Thank you everyone that helped with setup and tear down. Big thank you to Steve Tarr, Yvonne Moscoe, and Gary Harris for all the long hours. The registration, NAR, motor building, and testing tables seemed to be busy all day. Thank you to Mark Gholston for hauling the trailer to and from the event. To my neighbors, Bill from PSP, Sunriver Bob and Mike Lockhart thank you for all the good conversation. Great time seeing and talking with everyone. Also want to thank the Scout's of America and 4-H groups for attending, you were all a great group and hope to see you all there next year. Thank you everyone (flyers and spectators) for joining us for a weekend of fun at OregonRocketry's Fillible's Folly in Sheridan Oregon 2008. See you next year. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Arrived at the Sheridan launch site at 1:30pm and parked just off the road and waited for others to arrive. Mark and John showed up with the trailer a little before 2:00pm and we proceeded to drive out to the road along side the fields. Dale was already parked back there. Shortly after Steve and Yvonne arrived, and we decided to head into the field and start with the range setup. Choice was to have the flight line going from east to west with the range to the north. The field this year was fantastic, very large space and not as bumpy as last year. While my feet and ancles are sore, they are thankful that it wasn't as bad. After a couple hours with everyone helping, the site was done and ready to go. Up at 5:45am Saturday morning and began getting the 10-way drag race pad together. Finished up the pad setup by 7:00am and got it carried out next to the pads at 200 feet. This is a new and cheesy 10-way pad. Similar to the 8-way, but this was slapped together quickly so it could accommodate 10 rockets. Finally got my first cup of hot coffee about 9:00am. Shortly after 8:00am I launch my little red rocket on a G79-10W. This was a great flight with an estimated 3500 feet. The little red rocket has no name, but was built via left over kits and parts I had lying around the garage. Approximately 30 inches tall and is minimum diameter 29mm. Preparations for the drag race continued and had participants pick up their motor and match. At 12:00pm I walked out and started the recording from the camcorder. It was located 75 feet in front of the drag race pads with a clear view of the pads and sky. The announcement of the drag race was fun, getting the spectators all fired up and ready. My rocket for the drag race was Back-Off, which is 30 inches in length, 2 inch diameter, and blue. This will be Back-Off's 39th flight. G79 will place it right at 3000 feet. All 10 rockets loaded with G79-10W motors looked really cool on the pads. In a instant there were rockets taking off vertical and lots of white lightening smoke. Unfortunately 4 of the rockets never left the pad. Matches and pyrogen for all rockets burned. Sadly only 6 took to the sky. It was still an absolutely spectacular event. I want to thank Eric, Mike F, Gary, John, Mark Q, Lamar, Mike L, Ian, and Mark G. for participating in the drag race. What an amazing turn out. We had a very large group of people there all day Saturday and Sunday was getting busy before I left. Night launch on Saturday was the most participated night launch I ever seen since joining OROC. We had 20 to 25 flights Saturday night before 10:00pm. Think we might have broken a few records this year. From about 1000 feet out north of the flightline, the line-up of cars and people must have been 1/4 to 1/2 mile, and?there?was a second row of vehicles as well. Large?turn out. ? Spent a few hours Saturday covering the LCO duties. After 7:00pm Saturday LCO duties were shared between myself and the person flying, mostly kids. We were able to get a lot of kids up to the LCO desk so they can help launch their own rockets, under supervision of course. Special thanks to Gary Fillible for all the hours covering as LCO and for arranging the launch site with the land owners. Thank you everyone that helped with setup and tear down. Big thank you to Steve Tarr, Yvonne Moscoe, and Gary Harris for all the long hours. The registration, NAR, motor building, and testing tables seemed to be busy all day. Thank you to Mark Gholston for hauling the trailer to and from the event. To my neighbors, Bill from PSP, Sunriver Bob and Mike Lockhart thank you for all the good conversation. Great time seeing and talking with everyone. Also want to thank the Scout's of America and 4-H groups for attending, you were all a great group and hope to see you all there next year. Thank you everyone (flyers and spectators) for joining us for a weekend of fun at OregonRocketry's Fillible's Folly in Sheridan Oregon 2008. See you next year. Cheers, Robert From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Sep 22 16:28:48 2008 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:28:48 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Robert Krausert; Sheridan Fillible's Folly September 2008 Lau... Message-ID: In a message dated 9/22/2008 3:16:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: I want to thank Eric, Mike F, Gary, John, Mark Q, Lamar, Mike L, Ian, and Mark G. for participating in the drag race.>> Robert, thank you for your donation of motors. It was my only flight of the weekend, and my only commercial motor flight in six years. It allowed me to beta test a new design. Even though it didn't light for the drag race, I got it off on the next rack. Beware, the Baron Von Stuker coming soon to a hobby shop near you. :) Mike Fisher Binder Design **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 9/22/2008 3:16:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lawndart.robert at gmail.com writes: I want to thank Eric, Mike F, Gary, John, Mark Q, Lamar, Mike L, Ian, and Mark G. for participating in the drag race.>> ? ? Robert, thank you for your donation of motors.? It was my only flight of the weekend, and my only commercial motor flight in six years.? It allowed me to beta test a new design.? Even though it didn't light for the drag race, I got it off on the next rack.? Beware, the Baron Von Stuker coming soon to a hobby shop near you. :) ? Mike Fisher Binder Design ? Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1209382257x1200540686/aol?redir=http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001 Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators . From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 18:19:55 2008 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Paging Vern Knowles Message-ID: <824115.83234.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Vern, ? Can you contact me off list please? ? Thank you, John Hornsby -------------- next part -------------- Vern, ? Can you contact me off list please? ? Thank you, John Hornsby From bphlat234 at comcast.net Mon Sep 22 20:56:52 2008 From: bphlat234 at comcast.net (Gary Harris) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:56:52 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] Robert Krausert; Sheridan Fillible's Folly September 2008 Launch Report References: Message-ID: <001101c91d30$6a434900$c600a8c0@had1.or.comcast.net> thanks Robert for your time and energy ! And thanks also for the mention but I didn't actually do a shift at anything, except teardown. Special thanks to the people putting in the hours: Steve and Yvonne for running the launch pretty much the entire time, a contribution that needs to be recognized and not taken for granted. And, the above mentioned LCOs and RSOs, with Tim Ryerse and Brett Phillips taking over on Sunday. I personally would like to thank Gary Fillible for finding this launch site, his contribution to rocketry in general, and to this launch which bears his name in particular. I look forward to being entertained for 2 days each year by the LCO comments and consider myself fortunate that my rocket was not stomped on. Gary Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Krausert To: members at oregonrocketry.com ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: [OROC Members] Robert Krausert;Sheridan Fillible's Folly September 2008 Launch Report Arrived at the Sheridan launch site at 1:30pm and parked just off the road and waited for others to arrive. Mark and John showed up with the trailer a little before 2:00pm and we proceeded to drive out to the road along side the fields. Dale was already parked back there. Shortly after Steve and Yvonne arrived, and we decided to head into the field and start with the range setup. Choice was to have the flight line going from east to west with the range to the north. The field this year was fantastic, very large space and not as bumpy as last year. While my feet and ancles are sore, they are thankful that it wasn't as bad. After a couple hours with everyone helping, the site was done and ready to go. Up at 5:45am Saturday morning and began getting the 10-way drag race pad together. Finished up the pad setup by 7:00am and got it carried out next to the pads at 200 feet. This is a new and cheesy 10-way pad. Similar to the 8-way, but this was slapped together quickly so it could accommodate 10 rockets. Finally got my first cup of hot coffee about 9:00am. Shortly after 8:00am I launch my little red rocket on a G79-10W. This was a great flight with an estimated 3500 feet. The little red rocket has no name, but was built via left over kits and parts I had lying around the garage. Approximately 30 inches tall and is minimum diameter 29mm. Preparations for the drag race continued and had participants pick up their motor and match. At 12:00pm I walked out and started the recording from the camcorder. It was located 75 feet in front of the drag race pads with a clear view of the pads and sky. The announcement of the drag race was fun, getting the spectators all fired up and ready. My rocket for the drag race was Back-Off, which is 30 inches in length, 2 inch diameter, and blue. This will be Back-Off's 39th flight. G79 will place it right at 3000 feet. All 10 rockets loaded with G79-10W motors looked really cool on the pads. In a instant there were rockets taking off vertical and lots of white lightening smoke. Unfortunately 4 of the rockets never left the pad. Matches and pyrogen for all rockets burned. Sadly only 6 took to the sky. It was still an absolutely spectacular event. I want to thank Eric, Mike F, Gary, John, Mark Q, Lamar, Mike L, Ian, and Mark G. for participating in the drag race. What an amazing turn out. We had a very large group of people there all day Saturday and Sunday was getting busy before I left. Night launch on Saturday was the most participated night launch I ever seen since joining OROC. We had 20 to 25 flights Saturday night before 10:00pm. Think we might have broken a few records this year. From about 1000 feet out north of the flightline, the line-up of cars and people must have been 1/4 to 1/2 mile, and there was a second row of vehicles as well. Large turn out. Spent a few hours Saturday covering the LCO duties. After 7:00pm Saturday LCO duties were shared between myself and the person flying, mostly kids. We were able to get a lot of kids up to the LCO desk so they can help launch their own rockets, under supervision of course. Special thanks to Gary Fillible for all the hours covering as LCO and for arranging the launch site with the land owners. Thank you everyone that helped with setup and tear down. Big thank you to Steve Tarr, Yvonne Moscoe, and Gary Harris for all the long hours. The registration, NAR, motor building, and testing tables seemed to be busy all day. Thank you to Mark Gholston for hauling the trailer to and from the event. To my neighbors, Bill from PSP, Sunriver Bob and Mike Lockhart thank you for all the good conversation. Great time seeing and talking with everyone. Also want to thank the Scout's of America and 4-H groups for attending, you were all a great group and hope to see you all there next year. Thank you everyone (flyers and spectators) for joining us for a weekend of fun at OregonRocketry's Fillible's Folly in Sheridan Oregon 2008. See you next year. Cheers, Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Members mailing list Members at oregonrocketry.org http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members -------------- next part -------------- thanks Robert for your time and energy ! ? And thanks also for the mention but I didn't actually do a shift at anything, except teardown. ? Special thanks to the people putting in the hours: Steve and Yvonne for running the launch pretty much the entire time, a contribution that needs to be recognized and not taken for granted. And, the above mentioned LCOs and RSOs, with Tim Ryerse and Brett Phillips taking over on Sunday. ? I personally would like to thank Gary Fillible for finding this launch site, his contribution to rocketry in general, and to this launch which bears his name in particular.? I look forward to being entertained for 2 days each year by the LCO comments and consider myself fortunate?that my rocket was not stomped on. ? Gary Harris ? ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.com members at oregonrocketry.com ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: [OROC Members] Robert Krausert;Sheridan Fillible's Folly September 2008 Launch Report Arrived at the Sheridan launch site at 1:30pm and parked just off the road and waited for others to arrive. Mark and John showed up with the trailer a little before 2:00pm and we proceeded to drive out to the road along side the fields. Dale was already parked back there. Shortly after Steve and Yvonne arrived, and we decided to head into the field and start with the range setup. Choice was to have the flight line going from east to west with the range to the north. The field this year was fantastic, very large space and not as bumpy as last year. While my feet and ancles are sore, they are thankful that it wasn't as bad. After a couple hours with everyone helping, the site was done and ready to go. Up at 5:45am Saturday morning and began getting the 10-way drag race pad together. Finished up the pad setup by 7:00am and got it carried out next to the pads at 200 feet. This is a new and cheesy 10-way pad. Similar to the 8-way, but this was slapped together quickly so it could accommodate 10 rockets. Finally got my first cup of hot coffee about 9:00am. Shortly after 8:00am I launch my little red rocket on a G79-10W. This was a great flight with an estimated 3500 feet. The little red rocket has no name, but was built via left over kits and parts I had lying around the garage. Approximately 30 inches tall and is minimum diameter 29mm. Preparations for the drag race continued and had participants pick up their motor and match. At 12:00pm I walked out and started the recording from the camcorder. It was located 75 feet in front of the drag race pads with a clear view of the pads and sky. The announcement of the drag race was fun, getting the spectators all fired up and ready. My rocket for the drag race was Back-Off, which is 30 inches in length, 2 inch diameter, and blue. This will be Back-Off's 39th flight. G79 will place it right at 3000 feet. All 10 rockets loaded with G79-10W motors looked really cool on the pads. In a instant there were rockets taking off vertical and lots of white lightening smoke. Unfortunately 4 of the rockets never left the pad. Matches and pyrogen for all rockets burned. Sadly only 6 took to the sky. It was still an absolutely spectacular event. I want to thank Eric, Mike F, Gary, John, Mark Q, Lamar, Mike L, Ian, and Mark G. for participating in the drag race. What an amazing turn out. We had a very large group of people there all day Saturday and Sunday was getting busy before I left. Night launch on Saturday was the most participated night launch I ever seen since joining OROC. We had 20 to 25 flights Saturday night before 10:00pm. Think we might have broken a few records this year. From about 1000 feet out north of the flightline, the line-up of cars and people must have been 1/4 to 1/2 mile, and?there?was a second row of vehicles as well. Large?turn out. ? Spent a few hours Saturday covering the LCO duties. After 7:00pm Saturday LCO duties were shared between myself and the person flying, mostly kids. We were able to get a lot of kids up to the LCO desk so they can help launch their own rockets, under supervision of course. Special thanks to Gary Fillible for all the hours covering as LCO and for arranging the launch site with the land owners. Thank you everyone that helped with setup and tear down. Big thank you to Steve Tarr, Yvonne Moscoe, and Gary Harris for all the long hours. The registration, NAR, motor building, and testing tables seemed to be busy all day. Thank you to Mark Gholston for hauling the trailer to and from the event. To my neighbors, Bill from PSP, Sunriver Bob and Mike Lockhart thank you for all the good conversation. Great time seeing and talking with everyone. Also want to thank the Scout's of America and 4-H groups for attending, you were all a great group and hope to see you all there next year. Thank you everyone (flyers and spectators) for joining us for a weekend of fun at OregonRocketry's Fillible's Folly in Sheridan Oregon 2008. See you next year. Cheers, Robert _______________________________________________ Members mailing list Members at oregonrocketry.org http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members From stevet19759 at comcast.net Mon Sep 22 23:44:28 2008 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:44:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] my Sheridan launch report Message-ID: <48D8904C.1050704@comcast.net> At mid-afternoon Saturday, we had 102 vehicles parked along the flight line, counted over 236 people in attendance (probably more like 250), and had launched 305 flights. By the end of the weekend, we estimated close to 500 flights. I personally signed off 9 NAR cert flights (including one L2) and know of at least one, probably two, others that were witnessed and signed by other people. We had a few mishaps, but I think the overall rate of recovery failures was lower than many other launches I've seen. It was exhausting. We could have used several more volunteers to staff everything properly and there were a few things we missed, and times when fliers were left for long periods waiting for one of us. But everyone was patient, understanding and encouraging. Many MANY thanks to Gary Fillible for getting us the site, arranging for porta-potties, long hours at the LCO table, and keeping us all excited and upbeat throughout the launch. To Randy Birzer for patiently wading through negotiations with a confusing and confused bureaucracy. To Robert Krausert for handling a lot of the pre-launch organization, more hours at the LCO table, and especially for running the popular drag race and night launch events. To Yvonne Moscoe for efficiency, organization, and taking charge of whatever needed to be done, including handling the FSO table for most of the launch. To Mark Gholston for hauling the trailer, setup and teardown, even more LCO time, and having just the right hardware when we needed it. And to Dale Coleman, John Hornsby, Mike Wyvel, Brett Philips and the others who helped with setup, teardown, and overall operations. Thanks, too, to Bob Grossfeld and Bill Munds who travelled long distances with full inventories. And most especially to Jay and John Scharf and their families for not only allowing us to use the land, but also changing their plowing schedule so that we could launch this weekend. Oh, yes. I did manage to put in a few flights of my own. My saucer on an H669 (wake up!), an F60 and an F20. A Tiny Pterodactyl on an F60. A few flights with various Edmonds and a Quest boost glider. I kept thinking about launching my crayon, but there was never enough time and enough clear sky. And I had plenty of other flights to witness, that didn't cost me a dime. GREAT LAUNCH! -Steve Tarr From dmrandall at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 10:05:37 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:05:37 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS 2008 Trip Report Message-ID: <6bc920e40809231005o150d3bedke752c7cab5212f07@mail.gmail.com> Dave's Trip Report. XPRS 2008 ? in the books! Flight Report #1 ? PML Callisto on an I435 Mojave Green. Great flight with dual deployment on the GWiz MC2. Recovery was within a few hundred yards of the flight line. #2 ? Performance Rocketry Competitor 3 on a K1100T. Great straight flight up, disappeared however before apogee. No one had sight or sound of any events. Searched the playa in expectation that it came down hard, but found it east of the flightline about 2000 yards. #3 ? PML Callisto on H999 Warp-9. Superfast up! Entered into the Need for Speed contest, and won first place for a .56 mach speed with max acceleration of 58 G's! #4 ? 2 Stage Excel Plus Plus. Flew with a K780 Redline in the booster, I211T in the sustainer. Too large a BP charge shredded the shock cord upon separation. Recovery was in several sections, all intact except the eletronics bay, which destroyed the small camera. Other electroncs were fine, and recovered the GPS Astro remote track log. #5 ? Polecat Thumper 10" ? Perfect flight on M1297. Dual deploy mode worked perfectly, came down within 2000 yards of the flight line. #6 - Performance Rocketry Competitor 3 on a J135. Nice long 8 second burn high into the sky, and through a thin cloud layer. Like before, disappeared with no sign of parachute or charges. About 1 minute later, main chute opened about 500 yards beyond the high power pads. Just couldn't get much better for the last flight of the weekend. Other noteworthy items from XPRS. Attendance ? seemed to be down almost 50% from last year. Although last year's weather made all but one day a bust, this year seemed very light on attendance, and it showed in the frequency of flights going up. Not sure what kept people away, but was somewhat disappointing to see fewer people this year. Vending ? met two new vendors to XPRS ? What's Up and Discount Rocketry. Spent a few dollars with each. Both have very nice setups for on-the-go, with easily accessible hardware, kits, reloads and electronics. Great to see What's Up's variety of large kits including Performance Rocketry and Polecat Aerospace. Aero-pac ? As always, a well run event. Peter and crew did a nice job keeping all the moving parts moving forward and minus one or two exceptions, all the GSE operating well. Makes for a fun launch for sure. Thanks to Aero-pac! The "Pirate Crew" Made the trek with Scott and Mike this year. Scott had some great K flights on his FrankenRocket including his first flight to break 10K. The Fat Boy Plus on a J90 took to the sky for ever, and now appears to be on the playa. Maybe someone will recover it, but for now, after having disappeared in the sky, it was not to be seen again at XPRS 2008. Scott's 2 stage had a corkscrew flight of the sustainer, which may have been responsible for the ballistic return and shovel recovery. Bummer. Mike had several nice flights on old-trusty, the BSD Horizon. Both the J and K flights were perfect. The new Competitor flew nicely, but a hard landing left two fins in need of more epoxy. Although seemingly close to finishing the 2 stage project before leaving, Mike worked for quite a few hours on the playa finishing up the 2 stager. Sadly, upon closing up the electronics bay to head to the pad, the waiver closed for the last day of XPRS. So, it looks like the 2 stager will be ready for the next big launch in October. Other interesting flights for me. Dan Freitag's 10" Thumper ? another M flight on a great looking kit! But I'm biased. Vern Knowles' Kate ? A full computer synthesized voice introduction and narration of the flight. It was pretty spectacular to hear the rocket announcing its launch, altitude in 1000' increments, deployment events and landing. Simply amazing! Curt had a great 3 stage project which only returned the booster successfully. The second and 3rd stages were not recovered undamaged. Sadly, much of the tracking data was also lost. My photos from XPRS posted here: http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/5864443_gD7hF -- - Dave From Mfreptiles at aol.com Tue Sep 23 10:37:38 2008 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:37:38 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS 2008 Trip Report Message-ID: XPRS attendance is shifting to BALLS. This year should be huge. Nice Excel Plus Two stager! :) I bet that really cooked. Mike F. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) -------------- next part -------------- XPRS attendance is shifting to BALLS.? This year should be huge. ? Nice Excel Plus Two stager! :)? I bet that really cooked. ? Mike F. Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1209382257x1200540686/aol?redir=http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001 Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators . From glennb.graham at verizon.net Tue Sep 23 11:33:29 2008 From: glennb.graham at verizon.net (glennb.graham at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:33:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan Fillible's Folly: Thanks everyone! Message-ID: <10894156.32122221222194809924.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Our Saturday didn't go quite as planned and we arrived much later than I had hoped for. The wind had picked up as we drove down I99W, but seeing the large number of cars and tents at the launch site assured me that we were going to have a good time. We arrived at around 3:30 and since the troop had decided to have dinner back at the Museum camp site we had to leave around 6:30. Even with the short window the scouts had a great time. Once they had learned to prep their own rockets and how the launch process worked, I was able to get a little "me time" to prep and launch my own rocket - 4" PML Black Brandt X on an I286 Redline. The scouts got a big kick out of setting up and retrieving the large rocket. I also got a couple of photos to share. The first is a white midpower rocket that appears to be launching on a cluster of some kind. The second is my BBX on the redline motor: http://www.flickr.com/photos/47328616 at N00/2879780998/in/set-72157607434554905/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/47328616 at N00/2879784772/in/set-72157607434554905/ Thanks to all the volunteers! Next time I need to plan a solo trip and spend a whole weekend relaxing and launching! -Glenn Graham From carl20320 at msn.com Tue Sep 23 15:41:21 2008 From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:41:21 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan Fillible's Folly: Thanks everyone! In-Reply-To: <10894156.32122221222194809924.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> References: <10894156.32122221222194809924.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: That white rocket on the cluster is my 7 D's rocket (plans were in Sport Rocketry a coulple years ago. My son (Ivan - 7 y.o.) saw it and wanted me to build it. Who am I to deny my son another rocket. ;-) That flight was it's second flight. It flies on 4 D12-P and 3 D12-5. I flew it that time on D12-3 but the ejection was just a little early so I will fly it with D12-5 from now on. Carl > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:33:29 -0500> From: glennb.graham at verizon.net> To: members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan Fillible's Folly: Thanks everyone!> > Our Saturday didn't go quite as planned and we arrived much later than I > had hoped for. The wind had picked up as we drove down I99W, but seeing > the large number of cars and tents at the launch site assured me that we > were going to have a good time.> > We arrived at around 3:30 and since the troop had decided to have dinner > back at the Museum camp site we had to leave around 6:30. Even with the > short window the scouts had a great time. Once they had learned to prep > their own rockets and how the launch process worked, I was able to get a > little "me time" to prep and launch my own rocket - 4" PML Black Brandt > X on an I286 Redline. The scouts got a big kick out of setting up and > retrieving the large rocket.> > I also got a couple of photos to share. The first is a white midpower > rocket that appears to be launching on a cluster of some kind. The > second is my BBX on the redline motor:> > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/47328616 at N00/2879780998/in/set-72157607434554905/> > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/47328616 at N00/2879784772/in/set-72157607434554905/> > Thanks to all the volunteers! Next time I need to plan a solo trip and > spend a whole weekend relaxing and launching!> > -Glenn Graham> > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- That white rocket on the cluster is my 7 D's rocket (plans were in Sport Rocketry a coulple years ago.? My son (Ivan - 7 y.o.) saw it and wanted me to build it.? Who am I to deny my son another rocket.? ;-) ? That flight was it's second flight.? It flies on 4 D12-P and 3 D12-5.? I flew it that time on D12-3 but the ejection was just a little early so I will fly it with D12-5 from now on. Carl > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:33:29 -0500 > From: glennb.graham at verizon.net > To: members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Sheridan Fillible's Folly: Thanks everyone! > > Our Saturday didn't go quite as planned and we arrived much later than I > had hoped for. The wind had picked up as we drove down I99W, but seeing > the large number of cars and tents at the launch site assured me that we > were going to have a good time. > > We arrived at around 3:30 and since the troop had decided to have dinner > back at the Museum camp site we had to leave around 6:30. Even with the > short window the scouts had a great time. Once they had learned to prep > their own rockets and how the launch process worked, I was able to get a > little "me time" to prep and launch my own rocket - 4" PML Black Brandt > X on an I286 Redline. The scouts got a big kick out of setting up and > retrieving the large rocket. > > I also got a couple of photos to share. The first is a white midpower > rocket that appears to be launching on a cluster of some kind. The > second is my BBX on the redline motor: > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/47328616 at N00/2879780998/in/set-72157607434554905/ > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/47328616 at N00/2879784772/in/set-72157607434554905/ > > Thanks to all the volunteers! Next time I need to plan a solo trip and > spend a whole weekend relaxing and launching! > > -Glenn Graham > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From appusher at q.com Tue Sep 23 19:55:14 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:55:14 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motors wanted for OROC/Brothers and WAC/Mansfield? Message-ID: Just a reminder that PSP will be attending Brothers and Mansfield in October. We have a full complement of 29's and 38's minus a few. Single Use is limited. The hobby line is pretty full spread but limited as well. LMS motors are going to be sold at 25% off at both launches unless you buy a pile....then I can let them go for less. We a few 54mm loads left. Some beer can reloads in the 54/426 case. Most others are in the 852 and 1280 case. I have pre-orders from Mark Lyons, Robert Winglee, and Steve Tarr. I recommend that you all give us a shout at sales at pugetsoundpropulsion.com to submit your requests for motors at either launch. If you choose not to pre-plan your flight propellants then it will be a first come first serve. While it would be great for us to clear out inventory for the winter....it might not be quite what you want to fly in your favorite rocket. So take a bit of time to think about what you might want to fly...38's or 54's. We do have a few L1 and L2 cert promo reloads as well as the hardware to accompany them. Combination pricing will be in effect for the cert loads and hardware. Who else is going and what are you going to fly????? Weather is looking good so far. I plan on flying a few myself. Mean Machine three stage bash, Binder Sentinel (if I can get it finished in time) and I am thinking that I will resurrect the 3" PML Amrram on a 54 fast Jack something. Burn 'em if'n you can get 'em, Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me -------------- next part -------------- Just a reminder that PSP will be attending Brothers and Mansfield in October.? We have a full complement of 29's and 38's minus a few.? Single Use is limited.? The hobby line is pretty full spread but limited as well.? LMS motors are going to be sold at 25% off at both launches unless you buy a pile....then I can let them go for less.? We a few 54mm loads left.? Some beer can reloads in the 54/426 case.? Most others are in the 852 and 1280 case.?? ? I have pre-orders from Mark Lyons, Robert Winglee, and Steve Tarr.? I recommend that you all give us a shout at mailto:sales at pugetsoundpropulsion.com sales at pugetsoundpropulsion.com to submit your requests for motors at either launch.? If you choose not to pre-plan your flight propellants then it will be a first come first serve.? While it would be great for us to clear out inventory for the winter....it might not be quite what you want to fly in your favorite rocket.? So take a bit of time to think about what you might want to fly...38's or 54's.? We do have a few L1 and L2 cert promo reloads as well as the hardware to accompany them.? Combination pricing will be in effect for the cert loads and hardware. ? Who else is going and what are you going to fly?????? Weather is looking good so far. ? I plan on flying a few myself.? Mean Machine three stage bash, Binder Sentinel (if I can get it finished in time) and I am thinking that I will resurrect the 3" PML Amrram on a 54 fast Jack something.? Burn 'em if'n you can get 'em, ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP ? http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From absworld at cet.com Tue Sep 23 20:47:26 2008 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob and Ann Yanecek) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:47:26 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] BLAHS Message-ID: <000001c91df8$43a7b8d0$421ecac6@CADDANCE> Not sure how many of you know Dave Glass but sent best wishes to everyone attending the upcoming BLAHS launch. (Big Launch and Hot Sand). Gotta luv that guy! T-15 hours and counting to departure on this end. Bob Yanecek No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 9/20/2008 10:24 AM -------------- next part -------------- Not sure how many of you know Dave Glass but sent best wishes to everyone attending the upcoming BLAHS launch. (Big Launch and Hot Sand). ? Gotta luv that guy! ? T-15 hours and counting to departure on this end. ? Bob Yanecek No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 9/20/2008 10:24 AM From jim at jmw29221.com Tue Sep 23 20:48:47 2008 From: jim at jmw29221.com (Jim Wilkerson) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek Message-ID: <29394.130.76.32.167.1222228127.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Greetings all - please join me in congratulating Bob Yanecek on his recent selection to Tripoli's Technical Advisory Panel (TAP). Bob brings a wealth of experience and dedication to the position. Regards Jim From winningstad at comcast.net Wed Sep 24 03:41:20 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:41:20 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek In-Reply-To: <29394.130.76.32.167.1222228127.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> References: <29394.130.76.32.167.1222228127.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Message-ID: <90A301A3691146ED876226ED6ED788F3@downstair> Yo, BOB! Now here's some more progress!! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 No matter how much people on the left talk about compassion, they have no compassion for the taxpayers. Thomas Sowell -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wilkerson Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:49 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek Greetings all - please join me in congratulating Bob Yanecek on his recent selection to Tripoli's Technical Advisory Panel (TAP). Bob brings a wealth of experience and dedication to the position. Regards Jim _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From dennys at carnitech.net Wed Sep 24 06:20:00 2008 From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:20:00 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek References: <29394.130.76.32.167.1222228127.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Message-ID: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051027EC78@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Wow. Now he'll never stop telling everyone what to do :) Just joking, Bob. A well deserved post for you. Denny ________________________________ From: Jim Wilkerson [mailto:jim at jmw29221.com] Sent: Tue 9/23/2008 8:48 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek Greetings all - please join me in congratulating Bob Yanecek on his recent selection to Tripoli's Technical Advisory Panel (TAP). Bob brings a wealth of experience and dedication to the position. Regards Jim _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek Wow.? Now he'll never stop telling everyone what to do :)? Just joking, Bob.? A well deserved post for you. ? Denny From: Jim Wilkerson [mailto:jim at jmw29221.com] Sent: Tue 9/23/2008 8:48 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek Greetings all - please join me in congratulating Bob Yanecek on his recent selection to Tripoli's Technical Advisory Panel (TAP).? Bob brings a wealth of experience and dedication to the position. Regards Jim _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Wed Sep 24 07:16:31 2008 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:16:31 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek In-Reply-To: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051027EC78@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> References: <29394.130.76.32.167.1222228127.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051027EC78@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Message-ID: <48DA4BBF.20608@hawkfeather.com> Nah, he'll just make all his L3 candidates fly from a tower with visual tracking only :) Congrats Bob! Andrew. Denny Smith wrote: > Wow. Now he'll never stop telling everyone what to do :) Just joking, Bob. A well deserved post for you. > > Denny > > From: > Jim Wilkerson [mailto:jim at jmw29221.com] > Sent: Tue 9/23/2008 8:48 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek > > Greetings all - please join me in congratulating Bob Yanecek on his recent > selection to Tripoli's Technical Advisory Panel (TAP). Bob brings a > wealth of experience and dedication to the position. > > Regards > Jim From donbrendarott at msn.com Wed Sep 24 07:31:34 2008 From: donbrendarott at msn.com (Donald and Brenda Harris) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:31:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek References: <29394.130.76.32.167.1222228127.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Message-ID: Congrats Bob!! The Northwest can always use another TAP member. Don Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Wilkerson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek > Greetings all - please join me in congratulating Bob Yanecek on his recent > selection to Tripoli's Technical Advisory Panel (TAP). Bob brings a > wealth of experience and dedication to the position. > > Regards > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From winningstad at comcast.net Wed Sep 24 09:05:55 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:05:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek In-Reply-To: References: <29394.130.76.32.167.1222228127.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Message-ID: Einstein had to recalculate his famous equation after the atomic bomb. He originally thought it was: E/M = C^2 The he figured it out to be: E = MC^2 So there is the scientific proof! See what I'm sayin? Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 From jop2 at otisace.com Wed Sep 24 10:10:19 2008 From: jop2 at otisace.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:10:19 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanacek In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48DA747B.8080609@otisace.com> WTG Bob on TAP! You buy the beer this weekend! Jim Jopson > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek > From: > "Jim Wilkerson" > Date: > Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:48:47 -0700 (PDT) > To: > rockets at rocketsnw.com > > To: > rockets at rocketsnw.com > > > Greetings all - please join me in congratulating Bob Yanecek on his recent > selection to Tripoli's Technical Advisory Panel (TAP). Bob brings a > wealth of experience and dedication to the position. > > Regards > Jim > > > -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.1/1688 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:29 AM From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 24 10:16:16 2008 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (Steve Cutonilli) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:16:16 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c91e69$4170a330$c801a8c0@steve> Huh? You mean TAP or no TAP it makes no difference with Bob, correct? BTW - Dennis, do you fly rockets anymore? /Steve -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:06 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek Einstein had to recalculate his famous equation after the atomic bomb. He originally thought it was: E/M = C^2 The he figured it out to be: E = MC^2 So there is the scientific proof! See what I'm sayin? Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Wed Sep 24 11:47:56 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:47:56 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] And away we go! Black Rock here we come! Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B301C62B784@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Just waiting for the iPod to finish sync'ing and then we're off for another BALLS! Flying Big Red on a N2390 (Brad and Denny's new propellant - PHP) Flying Stirling on a M1900 - same propellant See everyone that's going there! Brad & Red -------------- next part -------------- Just waiting for the iPod to finish sync???ing and then we???re off for another BALLS! ? Flying Big Red on a N2390 (Brad and Denny???s new propellant ??? PHP) Flying Stirling on a M1900 ??? same propellant ? See everyone that???s going there! Brad & Red From vonrang at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 11:52:00 2008 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek In-Reply-To: <29394.130.76.32.167.1222228127.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Message-ID: <431647.51872.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Congratulations Bob! Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Tue, 9/23/08, Jim Wilkerson wrote: > From: Jim Wilkerson > Subject: [RocketsNW] New TAP Bob Yanecek > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:48 PM > Greetings all - please join me in congratulating Bob Yanecek > on his recent > selection to Tripoli's Technical Advisory Panel (TAP). > Bob brings a > wealth of experience and dedication to the position. > > Regards > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 24 12:56:10 2008 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (Steve Cutonilli) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:56:10 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS Message-ID: <000a01c91e7f$97a67c00$c801a8c0@steve> Maybe I'm out of line with this post, but the concern is for invited guests and support personnel which aren't on the distribution list. FWI BALLS attendees. -----Original Message----- From: waysie_atkins at vanguard.com [mailto:waysie_atkins at vanguard.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:19 PM To: Kent Newman; Steve Cutonilli; Adrian L Carbine Cc: markclark2 at mindspring.com Subject: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS Hey guys, As you know the FAA has required us to provide some additional information the projects flying above 25,000 feet for the last couple of years. Not sure why it began, but it did. This year they bucked up your three flights to AST as the combined burn times of the multiple stages for each project were over 15 seconds. That would require a permit from AST, however they can also issue a waiver to the permit requirement, which is what I have been trying to obtain this week. Unfortunately each request for additional information by them has been followed by another request, then another. The level of analysis for these three projects is higher than that done normally on the 25k+ flights due to the burn times. As of this morning they were calculating each of these projects at or over the 100,000 ft limit, based on the available data and some assumptions of their own (Cd, stage timing & thrust curves). I have obtained some of these additional details from you directly, or via Pat and the 25k+ submissions, and sent that in a bit earlier today. However I just got off a conference call with them, and at this point it is highly questionable whether they will have the waiver before this weekend. Normally they require this petition for a waiver to start 60 days before launch. They have been working on this quite diligently anyway given how this came about, but we're only 48 hours out from the start of operations, and now they are dealing with thrust curves and new estimates for Cd. They are willing to continue the process, but it may not be completed in time for BALLS this weekend. I told them I would like to continue so that at worst we have a waiver from the permitting requirement for a future launch date, but that I do not know what any such later date might be. And there is a slight chance that one or more projects might be OK'd by this weekend. I can't tell you how disappointed I am with the current situation, and am sure that you're feelings are even more extreme than mine. Had I known that this would occur, and how it would progress, we wouldn't be in this situation. I could have gotten them full details weeks ago, but it has only come about over the last week and a half, and has gotten more difficult at each step. I'm sorry to say the likelihood of having approval to launch your projects this weekend is very low. Waysie W. Atkins 484-482-7075 _____ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT. The information contained in this e-mail message, including attachments, is the confidential information of, and/or is the property of, Vanguard. The information is intended for use solely by the individual or entity named in the message. If you are not an intended recipient or you received this in error, then any review, printing, copying, or distribution of any such information is prohibited, and please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail from your system. -------------- next part -------------- Maybe I???m out of line with this post, but the concern is for invited guests and support personnel which aren???t on the distribution list. ? FWI BALLS attendees??? ? -----Original Message----- From: waysie_atkins at vanguard.com [mailto:waysie_atkins at vanguard.com ] Sent : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:19 PM To: Kent Newman; Steve Cutonilli; Adrian L Carbine Cc: markclark2 at mindspring.com Subject: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS ? Hey guys, As you know the FAA has required us to provide some additional information the projects flying above 25,000 feet for the last couple of years. ?Not sure why it began, but it did. ?This year they bucked up your three flights to AST as the combined burn times of the multiple stages for each project were over 15 seconds. ?That would require a permit from AST, however they can also issue a waiver to the permit requirement, which is what I have been trying to obtain this week. ? Unfortunately each request for additional information by them has been followed by another request, then another. ?The level of analysis for these three projects is higher than that done normally on the 25k+ flights due to the burn times. ?As of this morning they were calculating each of these projects at or over the 100,000 ft limit, based on the available data and some assumptions of their own (Cd, stage timing & thrust curves). ?I have obtained some of these additional details from you directly, or via Pat and the 25k+ submissions, and sent that in a bit earlier today. However I just got off a conference call with them, and at this point it is highly questionable whether they will have the waiver before this weekend. ?Normally they require this petition for a waiver to start 60 days before launch. ?They have been working on this quite diligently anyway given how this came about, but we're only 48 hours out from the start of operations, and now they are dealing with thrust curves and new estimates for Cd. ?They are willing to continue the process, but it may not be completed in time for BALLS this weekend. I told them I would like to continue so that at worst we have a waiver from the permitting requirement for a future launch date, but that I do not know what any such later date might be. ?And there is a slight chance that one or more projects might be OK'd by this weekend. ?I can't tell you how disappointed I am with the current situation, and am sure that you're feelings are even more extreme than mine. Had I known that this would occur, and how it would progress, we wouldn't be in this situation. ?I could have gotten them full details weeks ago, but it has only come about over the last week and a half, and has gotten more difficult at each step. I'm sorry to say the likelihood of having approval to launch your projects this weekend is very low. Waysie W. Atkins 484-482-7075 CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT. The information contained in this e-mail message, including attachments, is the confidential information of, and/or is the property of, Vanguard. The information is intended for use solely by the individual or entity named in the message. If you are not an intended recipient or you received this in error, then any review, printing, copying, or distribution of any such information is prohibited, and please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail from your system. From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 24 13:07:20 2008 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (Steve Cutonilli) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:07:20 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS In-Reply-To: <000a01c91e7f$97a67c00$c801a8c0@steve> Message-ID: <000001c91e81$279e4cb0$c801a8c0@steve> Folks - an honest mistake. I didn't read thru the entire note inclusive of the confidentiality part - I'm in deep doo-doo now I'm sure , but it still sucks for all attendees - I'm certainly bummed and need to consider wether to even go. Gregg Deputy - can you please delete my previous post from the list server archives before more damage is done? /Steve -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cutonilli Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:56 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS Maybe I'm out of line with this post, but the concern is for invited guests and support personnel which aren't on the distribution list. FWI BALLS attendees. -----Original Message----- From: waysie_atkins at vanguard.com [mailto:waysie_atkins at vanguard.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:19 PM To: Kent Newman; Steve Cutonilli; Adrian L Carbine Cc: markclark2 at mindspring.com Subject: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS Hey guys, As you know the FAA has required us to provide some additional information the projects flying above 25,000 feet for the last couple of years. Not sure why it began, but it did. This year they bucked up your three flights to AST as the combined burn times of the multiple stages for each project were over 15 seconds. That would require a permit from AST, however they can also issue a waiver to the permit requirement, which is what I have been trying to obtain this week. Unfortunately each request for additional information by them has been followed by another request, then another. The level of analysis for these three projects is higher than that done normally on the 25k+ flights due to the burn times. As of this morning they were calculating each of these projects at or over the 100,000 ft limit, based on the available data and some assumptions of their own (Cd, stage timing & thrust curves). I have obtained some of these additional details from you directly, or via Pat and the 25k+ submissions, and sent that in a bit earlier today. However I just got off a conference call with them, and at this point it is highly questionable whether they will have the waiver before this weekend. Normally they require this petition for a waiver to start 60 days before launch. They have been working on this quite diligently anyway given how this came about, but we're only 48 hours out from the start of operations, and now they are dealing with thrust curves and new estimates for Cd. They are willing to continue the process, but it may not be completed in time for BALLS this weekend. I told them I would like to continue so that at worst we have a waiver from the permitting requirement for a future launch date, but that I do not know what any such later date might be. And there is a slight chance that one or more projects might be OK'd by this weekend. I can't tell you how disappointed I am with the current situation, and am sure that you're feelings are even more extreme than mine. Had I known that this would occur, and how it would progress, we wouldn't be in this situation. I could have gotten them full details weeks ago, but it has only come about over the last week and a half, and has gotten more difficult at each step. I'm sorry to say the likelihood of having approval to launch your projects this weekend is very low. Waysie W. Atkins 484-482-7075 _____ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT. The information contained in this e-mail message, including attachments, is the confidential information of, and/or is the property of, Vanguard. The information is intended for use solely by the individual or entity named in the message. If you are not an intended recipient or you received this in error, then any review, printing, copying, or distribution of any such information is prohibited, and please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail from your system. From greg at blastzone.com Wed Sep 24 13:38:17 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:38:17 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS In-Reply-To: <000001c91e81$279e4cb0$c801a8c0@steve> References: <000a01c91e7f$97a67c00$c801a8c0@steve> <000001c91e81$279e4cb0$c801a8c0@steve> Message-ID: <21b301c91e85$79c7a320$6d56e960$@com> I can remove from the archives, but cant recall the messages already distributed. Sad news, though. And aggravating. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cutonilli Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:07 PM To: 'Steve Cutonilli'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS Folks - an honest mistake. I didn't read thru the entire note inclusive of the confidentiality part - I'm in deep doo-doo now I'm sure , but it still sucks for all attendees - I'm certainly bummed and need to consider wether to even go. Gregg Deputy - can you please delete my previous post from the list server archives before more damage is done? /Steve From TFISH38 at aol.com Wed Sep 24 13:45:07 2008 From: TFISH38 at aol.com (TFISH38 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:45:07 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS Message-ID: Just to be clear. Balls does have an FAA waiver. And have approval for all but three of the submitted projects. They are trying to get 'a waiver for the over 15 sec burn time..from the AST. So that these three projects can fly. Tony Alcocer In a message dated 9/24/2008 1:08:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, steve-c at ix.netcom.com writes: Folks - an honest mistake. I didn't read thru the entire note inclusive of the confidentiality part - I'm in deep doo-doo now I'm sure , but it still sucks for all attendees - I'm certainly bummed and need to consider wether to even go. Gregg Deputy - can you please delete my previous post from the list server archives before more damage is done? /Steve -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cutonilli Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:56 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS Maybe I'm out of line with this post, but the concern is for invited guests and support personnel which aren't on the distribution list. FWI BALLS attendees. -----Original Message----- From: waysie_atkins at vanguard.com [mailto:waysie_atkins at vanguard.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:19 PM To: Kent Newman; Steve Cutonilli; Adrian L Carbine Cc: markclark2 at mindspring.com Subject: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS Hey guys, As you know the FAA has required us to provide some additional information the projects flying above 25,000 feet for the last couple of years. Not sure why it began, but it did. This year they bucked up your three flights to AST as the combined burn times of the multiple stages for each project were over 15 seconds. That would require a permit from AST, however they can also issue a waiver to the permit requirement, which is what I have been trying to obtain this week. Unfortunately each request for additional information by them has been followed by another request, then another. The level of analysis for these three projects is higher than that done normally on the 25k+ flights due to the burn times. As of this morning they were calculating each of these projects at or over the 100,000 ft limit, based on the available data and some assumptions of their own (Cd, stage timing & thrust curves). I have obtained some of these additional details from you directly, or via Pat and the 25k+ submissions, and sent that in a bit earlier today. However I just got off a conference call with them, and at this point it is highly questionable whether they will have the waiver before this weekend. Normally they require this petition for a waiver to start 60 days before launch. They have been working on this quite diligently anyway given how this came about, but we're only 48 hours out from the start of operations, and now they are dealing with thrust curves and new estimates for Cd. They are willing to continue the process, but it may not be completed in time for BALLS this weekend. I told them I would like to continue so that at worst we have a waiver from the permitting requirement for a future launch date, but that I do not know what any such later date might be. And there is a slight chance that one or more projects might be OK'd by this weekend. I can't tell you how disappointed I am with the current situation, and am sure that you're feelings are even more extreme than mine. Had I known that this would occur, and how it would progress, we wouldn't be in this situation. I could have gotten them full details weeks ago, but it has only come about over the last week and a half, and has gotten more difficult at each step. I'm sorry to say the likelihood of having approval to launch your projects this weekend is very low. Waysie W. Atkins 484-482-7075 _____ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT. The information contained in this e-mail message, including attachments, is the confidential information of, and/or is the property of, Vanguard. The information is intended for use solely by the individual or entity named in the message. If you are not an intended recipient or you received this in error, then any review, printing, copying, or distribution of any such information is prohibited, and please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail from your system. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) -------------- next part -------------- Just to be clear. Balls does have an FAA?waiver. And have approval for all but three of the submitted projects. They are trying to get 'a waiver for the over 15 sec burn time..from the AST. So that these three projects can fly. ? Tony Alcocer ? In a message dated 9/24/2008 1:08:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, steve-c at ix.netcom.com writes: Folks - an honest mistake. I didn't read thru the entire note inclusive of the confidentiality part - I'm in deep doo-doo now I'm sure , but it still sucks for all attendees - I'm certainly bummed and need to consider wether to even go. Gregg Deputy - can you please delete my previous post from the list server archives before more damage is done? /Steve -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cutonilli Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:56 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS Maybe I'm out of line with this post, but the concern is for invited guests and support personnel which aren't on the distribution list. FWI BALLS attendees. -----Original Message----- From: waysie_atkins at vanguard.com [mailto:waysie_atkins at vanguard.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:19 PM To: Kent Newman; Steve Cutonilli; Adrian L Carbine Cc: markclark2 at mindspring.com Subject: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS Hey guys, As you know the FAA has required us to provide some additional information the projects flying above 25,000 feet for the last couple of years.? Not sure why it began, but it did.? This year they bucked up your three flights to AST as the combined burn times of the multiple stages for each project were over 15 seconds.? That would require a permit from AST, however they can also issue a waiver to the permit requirement, which is what I have been trying to obtain this week.?? Unfortunately each request for additional information by them has been followed by another request, then another.? The level of analysis for these three projects is higher than that done normally on the 25k+ flights due to the burn times.? As of this morning they were calculating each of these projects at or over the 100,000 ft limit, based on the available data and some assumptions of their own (Cd, stage timing & thrust curves).? I have obtained some of these additional details from you directly, or via Pat and the 25k+ submissions, and sent that in a bit earlier today. However I just got off a conference call with them, and at this point it is highly questionable whether they will have the waiver before this weekend.? Normally they require this petition for a waiver to start 60 days before launch.? They have been working on this quite diligently anyway given how this came about, but we're only 48 hours out from the start of operations, and now they are dealing with thrust curves and new estimates for Cd.? They are willing to continue the process, but it may not be completed in time for BALLS this weekend. I told them I would like to continue so that at worst we have a waiver from the permitting requirement for a future launch date, but that I do not know what any such later date might be.? And there is a slight chance that one or more projects might be OK'd by this weekend.? I can't tell you how disappointed I am with the current situation, and am sure that you're feelings are even more extreme than mine. Had I known that this would occur, and how it would progress, we wouldn't be in this situation.? I could have gotten them full details weeks ago, but it has only come about over the last week and a half, and has gotten more difficult at each step. I'm sorry to say the likelihood of having approval to launch your projects this weekend is very low. Waysie W. Atkins 484-482-7075 ? _____? CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT. The information contained in this e-mail message, including attachments, is the confidential information of, and/or is the property of, Vanguard. The information is intended for use solely by the individual or entity named in the message. If you are not an intended recipient or you received this in error, then any review, printing, copying, or distribution of any such information is prohibited, and please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail from your system. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1209382257x1200540686/aol?redir=http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001 Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators . From Mfreptiles at aol.com Wed Sep 24 13:51:36 2008 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:51:36 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS Message-ID: The thing that I find interesting is that the 50K project flew last year to just under 50K'. Why do they think it will break 100K' this year in the same configuration? That's over twice the altitude. I feel your frustration Steve. After doing all of the right things only to be shot down at the last minute sucks. Mike Fisher **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) -------------- next part -------------- The thing that I find interesting is that the 50K project flew last year to just under 50K'.? Why do they think it will break 100K' this year in the same configuration?? That's over twice the altitude.? ? I feel your frustration Steve.? After doing all of the right things only to be shot down at the last minute sucks. ? Mike Fisher Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1209382257x1200540686/aol?redir=http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001 Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators . From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 24 14:33:23 2008 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (Steve Cutonilli) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:33:23 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS In-Reply-To: <21b301c91e85$79c7a320$6d56e960$@com> Message-ID: <001101c91e8d$2d4e7bb0$c801a8c0@steve> Understood and thanks. /Steve (foot in mouth) -----Original Message----- From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:38 PM To: 'Steve Cutonilli'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS I can remove from the archives, but cant recall the messages already distributed. Sad news, though. And aggravating. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cutonilli Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:07 PM To: 'Steve Cutonilli'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS Folks - an honest mistake. I didn't read thru the entire note inclusive of the confidentiality part - I'm in deep doo-doo now I'm sure , but it still sucks for all attendees - I'm certainly bummed and need to consider wether to even go. Gregg Deputy - can you please delete my previous post from the list server archives before more damage is done? /Steve From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 24 14:58:37 2008 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (Steve Cutonilli) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:58:37 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c91e90$b2ecff50$c801a8c0@steve> We submitted a 3-stage late in the game - we are highly confident on 73K. I'm pleading now to allow us to re-fly the 2-stage configuration. It's a very complicated situation due to my attention to other matters like work, you know - earning a living? This is supposed to be a hobby which means fun, but not apparently for everyone. /Steve -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Mfreptiles at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:52 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS The thing that I find interesting is that the 50K project flew last year to just under 50K'. Why do they think it will break 100K' this year in the same configuration? That's over twice the altitude. I feel your frustration Steve. After doing all of the right things only to be shot down at the last minute sucks. Mike Fisher **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From sb at berfield.com Thu Sep 25 09:30:17 2008 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:30:17 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS report Message-ID: Hi All,This is a brief launch report from my trip down to XPRS. Mike Wyvel, Dave Randall and I headed down in Mike's RV (thanks Mike!) on the 17th and after a stop to pick up a replacement altimeter from Fred Anzinger at a McDonalds in Portland and some navigation adjustments to avoid closed roads (wildfires were burning) we spent a few hours sleeping at a Klamath Falls rest area then continued, arriving at the Playa just after mid-day on the 18th. We got the camp set up and started prepping rockets. The weather was pretty decent, if breezy, but folks who had been on the Playa longer told us that there had been a whopper of a storm the day before. Some were calling it a tornado, though having grown up in the Midwest, what was described doesn't really measure up. More like a very strong whirlwind -- but it messed up some folks' camps pretty thoroughly whatever it was.We woke on Thursday morning to three ARLISS launches in a row. Nothing like 3 'M' launches to start your day.Dave has already posted info on his flights, and I'll let Mike speak to his, but here are mine for the three days:1) The inaugural and final flight of the new FatBoy+. This is my very stock-looking, but completely scratch-built FatBoy clone. It is app. 1/2" longer than a regular FatBoy and flies on a 54mm J90. Needless to say, it was invisible in the sky after burnout. I had a Beeline TX in it and had strong signal and a general direction as it came down, but the signal cut off abruptly and we were unable to locate the rocket. Estimate of altitude was probably around 9-10K'. I consider it a gift to the Playa. One fun thing was the reaction of James, the LCO when he saw what it really was (after thinking it was a regular FatBoy. I got a "Whoah" and a handshake :)2) Little Lunar Express (called Skylark) on an I350SS. This is my L1 rocket from 4 years ago, flying for the first time since. The I350 is probably a bit more motor than appropriate, but I had one handy. It went up very fast with a little angle. The Delay was tad long, but not too bad. Unfortunately, the chute tangled and the rocket came down pretty hard. The only damage was one fin pod getting cracked off. A little glue and paint and she'll be good as new. If I had to guess an altitude (no altimeter) I would say app. 4500 feet.3) FrankenRocket on a J500 Mojave Green. FrankenRocket is a carbon fiber over fiberglass rebuild of a dead Firestorm 54 with a hardwood nosecone. It weighs about 5 pounds. The Mojave Green really goes fast and I almost didn't have time to go "cool -- it's green" before it was gone. The dual deploy worked perfectly with the main popping at 500' and the rocket landed about 200 yards away from the flight line. MAWD reported 4,450 feet.4) FrankenRocket on a K570. Nice liftoff and quickly disappeared from view. I had a 45 second smoke charge in it and was able to track it visually through the binoculars all the way down. Ended up about 1/4 mile away from the RV. MAWD reported 11,448' -- my new personal altitude record, and the winner of the K-class altitude contest (which, admittedly, not many people entered). 5) My 2-stage rocket BiPolar Disorder on a J350 staging to an I350SS. Boost was very nice with very little angle and almost no roll. Separation happened right on schedule and the 2nd stage lit nicely. Unfortunately, it went wonky after that. The sustainer immediately did a very violent corkscrew and everyone lost eyes on it. No events were seen. I searched for quite some time and couldn't find it. The next day, one of the launch organizers walked by with half of what I recognized as my sustainer. It apparently had come in ballistic. He had found it with a couple of inches of fin sticking up and had dug out what he could do easily. He gave me a vector to the site which he had marked with a 20' circle of turned earth. Dave and I borrowed a shovel and headed out to recover the remains of the top half. Not pretty. The entire top half (app. 24" long) was compressed into a mass about 6" long. The all thread was bent like wet noodles, and the fiberglass nosecone appeared to have basically disintegrated. It was depressing, but cool too. Simulation shows that it should have been going around 300-350MPH when it hit. All charges were fired, but I suspect that happened post impact as no separation had happened. The Tether was bent, but should be repairable. The only other salvageable parts re the fins (which were still solidly attached) and the shock cord. My guess as to altitude was separation at about 2K' with ignition somewhat after that. The sustainer did not get to gain much altitude after that -- so maybe a max altitude of 3-4K' as opposed to the planned for 10K.Dissecting the remains after getting home, I found the Altimeter board broken in half with all of the surface mount components no longer attached -- the force had sheared all the solder joints and stripped the board clean! Somehow I think I voided the warranty. My guess as to what happened is that either the rocket was not moving fast enough to be stable under the added thrust when the sustainer lit and so went unstable, or the nozzle cracked or burned through or was in some other way asymmetrical leading to vectored thrust. I suspect the former -- my delay for ignition was set assuming larger motors (the original plan was a K570 to a J350) and I had gotten lazy and not shortened it. This may have led to the sustainer having time to slow too much before the ignition -- the equivalent of launching it on too short a rail. The violence of the corkscrew probably caused the battery to come loose and/or a lead to break or pull free taking away power to the alt. The Mission Control Alt did a great job on the separation charge and the 2nd stage ignition; unfortunately it was a casualty of user error :( I will definitely rebuild the sustainer and try again and will likely stick with the Mission Control -- well, a different one, of course.6) 54 Special on a J540 Redline. Dual Deploy with main at 500 feet. Totally lost view on the rocket right after burnout as the clouds were lower than they looked. Saw the main deploy off in the distance and it settled down with the chute inflated making recovery easy about 3/4 mile away from the flight line. The nosecone was separated from the rest of the rocket with the chute attached to it, but apparently it separated just above the ground since they were all lying closely together and there was no sign of a hard landing other than the altimeter being off. The cruddy nylon cord attach in the 54 Special had frayed through. Luckily, it is the part that is easy to get at and fix. For future flights, I'll be making sure that the lower cord that is made of the same stuff has a heat shield on it. MAWD reported no data since it apparently got bounced hard enough to mess up its data recording. Probably went to between 3 and 4K'.We planned on packing up Sunday night and hitting the road in the am, but some good food, beer and scotch got in the way so we left packing til morning. Rose early (5 am) and loaded up and were on the road by 6:30. 13 1/2 hours later we were home.Highlights for me:All the ARLISS flights. I definitely want to try to get involved in that program.Watching a Japanese student from one of the ARLISS teams dong a karate kata in his gi out in the desertSeeing an ARLISS rover scrambling across the Playa towards the targetVern's talking GPS system was a total hoot. Only thing he missed was a panicky scream when descending without a Main.All the multi-stage flights. There were many more than in past years. All were cool, though some were more successful than others.Cerulean Dream (is that the right name?) with its 3 sets of air startsHanging out with folks Saturday night during the night launch with us all using green lasers to track the flightsMeeting the really nice folks at What's Up Hobbies and Discount RocketryThe first half of my 2 stage flight.Lowlights:Losing the FatBoy+The second half of my 2 stage flight followed by my first ever shovel recoverySeeing Mike Wyvel get so close with is 2 stage only to hear the waiver close just as he was ready to flyHaving to leave. -------------- next part -------------- Hi All, ? This is a brief launch report from my trip down to XPRS. ? Mike Wyvel, Dave Randall and I headed down in Mike's RV (thanks Mike!)?on the 17th and after a stop to pick up a replacement altimeter from Fred Anzinger at a McDonalds in Portland and some navigation adjustments to avoid closed roads (wildfires were burning) we spent a few hours sleeping at a Klamath Falls rest area then continued, arriving at the Playa just after mid-day on the 18th. We got the camp set up and started prepping rockets. The weather was pretty decent, if breezy, but folks who had been on the Playa longer told us that there had been a whopper of a storm the day before. Some were calling it a tornado, though having grown up in the Midwest, what was described doesn't really measure up. More like a very strong whirlwind -- but it messed up some folks' camps pretty thoroughly whatever it was. ? We woke on Thursday morning to three ARLISS launches in a row. Nothing like 3 'M' launches to start your day. ? Dave has already posted info on his flights, and I'll let Mike speak to his, but here are mine for the three days: ? 1) The inaugural and final flight of the new FatBoy+. This is my very stock-looking, but completely scratch-built FatBoy clone. It is app. 1/2" longer than a regular FatBoy and flies on a 54mm J90. Needless to say, it was invisible in the sky after burnout. I had a Beeline TX in it and had strong signal and a general direction as it came down, but the signal cut off abruptly and we were unable to locate the rocket. Estimate of altitude was probably around 9-10K'. I consider it a gift to the Playa. One fun thing was the reaction of James, the LCO when he saw what it really was (after thinking it was a regular FatBoy. I got a "Whoah" and a handshake :) ? 2) Little Lunar Express (called Skylark) on an I350SS. This is my L1 rocket from 4 years ago, flying for the first time since. The I350 is probably a bit more motor than appropriate, but I had one handy. It went up very fast with a little angle. The Delay was tad long, but not too bad. Unfortunately, the chute tangled and the rocket came down pretty hard. The only damage was one fin pod getting cracked off. A little glue and paint and she'll be good as new. If I had to guess an altitude (no altimeter) I would say app. 4500 feet. ? 3) FrankenRocket on a J500 Mojave Green. FrankenRocket is a carbon fiber over fiberglass rebuild of a dead Firestorm 54 with a hardwood nosecone. It weighs about 5 pounds. The Mojave Green really goes fast and I almost didn't have time to go "cool -- it's green" before it was gone. The dual deploy worked perfectly with the?main popping at 500' and the rocket landed about 200 yards away from the flight line. MAWD reported 4,450 feet. ? 4) FrankenRocket on a K570. Nice liftoff and quickly disappeared from view. I had a 45 second smoke charge in it and was able to track it visually through the binoculars all the way down. Ended up about 1/4 mile away from the RV. MAWD reported 11,448' -- my new personal altitude record, and the winner of the K-class altitude contest (which, admittedly, not many people entered). ? 5) My 2-stage rocket BiPolar Disorder on a J350 staging to an I350SS. Boost was very nice with very little angle and almost no roll. Separation happened right on schedule and the 2nd stage lit nicely. Unfortunately, it went wonky after that. The sustainer immediately did a very violent corkscrew and everyone lost eyes on it. No events were seen. I searched for quite some time and couldn't find it. The next day, one of the launch organizers walked by with half of what I recognized as my sustainer. It apparently had come in ballistic. He had found it with a couple of inches of fin sticking up and had dug out what he could do easily. He gave me a vector to the site which he had marked with a 20' circle of turned earth. Dave and I borrowed a shovel and headed out to recover the remains of the top half. Not pretty. The entire top half (app. 24" long) was compressed into a mass about 6" long. The all thread was bent like wet noodles, and the fiberglass nosecone appeared to have basically disintegrated. It was depressing, but cool too. Simulation shows that it should have been going around 300-350MPH when it hit. All charges were fired, but I suspect that happened post impact as no separation had happened. The Tether was bent, but should be repairable. The only other salvageable parts re the fins (which were still solidly attached) and the shock cord. My guess as to altitude was separation at about 2K' with ignition somewhat after that. The sustainer did not get to gain much altitude after that -- so maybe a max altitude of 3-4K' as opposed to the planned for 10K. ? Dissecting the remains after getting home, I found the Altimeter board broken in half with all of the surface mount components no longer attached -- the force had sheared all the solder joints and stripped the board clean! Somehow I think I voided the warranty. My guess as to what happened is that either the rocket was not moving fast enough to be stable under the added thrust when the sustainer lit and so went unstable, or the nozzle cracked or burned through or was in some other way asymmetrical leading to vectored thrust. I suspect the former -- my delay for ignition was set assuming larger motors (the original plan was a K570 to a J350) and I had gotten lazy and not shortened it. This may have led to the sustainer having time to slow too much before the ignition -- the equivalent of launching it on too short a rail. The violence of the corkscrew probably caused the battery to come loose and/or a lead to break or pull free taking away power to the alt. ? The Mission Control Alt did a great job on the separation charge and the 2nd stage ignition; unfortunately it was a casualty of user error :( I will definitely rebuild the sustainer and try again and will likely stick with the Mission Control -- well, a different one, of course. ? 6) 54 Special on a J540 Redline. Dual Deploy with main at 500 feet. Totally lost view on the rocket right after burnout as the clouds were lower than they looked. Saw the main deploy off in the distance and it settled down with the chute inflated making recovery easy about 3/4 mile away from the flight line. The nosecone was separated from?the rest of the rocket with the chute attached to it, but apparently it separated just above?the ground since they were all lying closely together and there was no sign of a hard landing other than the altimeter being off. The cruddy nylon cord attach in the 54 Special had frayed through. Luckily, it is the part that is easy to get at and fix. For future flights, I'll be making sure that the lower cord that is made of the same stuff has a heat shield on it. MAWD reported no data since it apparently got bounced hard enough to mess up its data recording. Probably went to between 3 and 4K'. ? We planned on packing up Sunday night and hitting the road in the am, but some good food, beer and scotch got in the way so we left packing til morning. Rose early (5 am) and loaded up and were on the road by 6:30. 13 1/2 hours later we were home. ? Highlights for me: All the ARLISS flights. I definitely want to try to get involved in that program. Watching a Japanese student from one of the ARLISS teams dong a karate kata in his gi out in the desert Seeing an ARLISS rover scrambling across the?Playa towards the target ? Vern's talking GPS system was a total hoot. Only thing he missed was a panicky scream when descending without a Main. All the multi-stage flights. There were many more than in past years. All were cool, though some were more successful than others. Cerulean Dream (is that the right name?) with its 3 sets of air starts Hanging out with folks Saturday night during the night launch with us all using green lasers to track the flights Meeting the really nice folks at What's Up Hobbies and Discount Rocketry The first half of my 2 stage flight. ? Lowlights: Losing the FatBoy+ The second half of my 2 stage flight followed by my first ever shovel recovery Seeing Mike Wyvel get so close with is 2 stage only to hear the waiver close just as he was ready to fly Having to leave. ? ? ? ? From sb at berfield.com Thu Sep 25 09:32:00 2008 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:32:00 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS report Message-ID: Ignore that last email -- my mail sw somehow nuked the formatting. I'll get it fixed up and resend so it is legible. -------------- next part -------------- Ignore that last email -- my mail sw somehow nuked the formatting. I'll get it fixed up and resend so it is legible.? From sb at berfield.com Thu Sep 25 09:36:51 2008 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:36:51 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS report Message-ID: Hi All, This is a brief launch report from my trip down to XPRS. Mike Wyvel, Dave Randall and I headed down in Mike's RV (thanks Mike!) on the 17th and after a stop to pick up a replacement altimeter from Fred Anzinger at a McDonalds in Portland and some navigation adjustments to avoid closed roads (wildfires were burning) we spent a few hours sleeping at a Klamath Falls rest area then continued, arriving at the Playa just after mid-day on the 18th. We got the camp set up and started prepping rockets. The weather was pretty decent, if breezy, but folks who had been on the Playa longer told us that there had been a whopper of a storm the day before. Some were calling it a tornado, though having grown up in the Midwest, what was described doesn't really measure up. More like a very strong whirlwind -- but it messed up some folks' camps pretty thoroughly whatever it was. We woke on Thursday morning to three ARLISS launches in a row. Nothing like 3 'M' launches to start your day. Dave has already posted info on his flights, and I'll let Mike speak to his, but here are mine for the three days: 1) The inaugural and final flight of the new FatBoy+. This is my very stock-looking, but completely scratch-built FatBoy clone. It is app. 1/2" longer than a regular FatBoy and flies on a 54mm J90. Needless to say, it was invisible in the sky after burnout. I had a Beeline TX in it and had strong signal and a general direction as it came down, but the signal cut off abruptly and we were unable to locate the rocket. Estimate of altitude was probably around 9-10K'. I consider it a gift to the Playa. One fun thing was the reaction of James, the LCO when he saw what it really was (after thinking it was a regular FatBoy. I got a "Whoah" and a handshake :) 2) Little Lunar Express (called Skylark) on an I350SS. This is my L1 rocket from 4 years ago, flying for the first time since. The I350 is probably a bit more motor than appropriate, but I had one handy. It went up very fast with a little angle. The Delay was tad long, but not too bad. Unfortunately, the chute tangled and the rocket came down pretty hard. The only damage was one fin pod getting cracked off. A little glue and paint and she'll be good as new. If I had to guess an altitude (no altimeter) I would say app. 4500 feet. 3) FrankenRocket on a J500 Mojave Green. FrankenRocket is a carbon fiber over fiberglass rebuild of a dead Firestorm 54 with a hardwood nosecone. It weighs about 5 pounds. The Mojave Green really goes fast and I almost didn't have time to go "cool -- it's green" before it was gone. The dual deploy worked perfectly with the main popping at 500' and the rocket landed about 200 yards away from the flight line. MAWD reported 4,450 feet. 4) FrankenRocket on a K570. Nice liftoff and quickly disappeared from view. I had a 45 second smoke charge in it and was able to track it visually through the binoculars all the way down. Ended up about 1/4 mile away from the RV. MAWD reported 11,448' -- my new personal altitude record, and the winner of the K-class altitude contest (which, admittedly, not many people entered). 5) My 2-stage rocket BiPolar Disorder on a J350 staging to an I350SS. Boost was very nice with very little angle and almost no roll. Separation happened right on schedule and the 2nd stage lit nicely. Unfortunately, it went wonky after that. The sustainer immediately did a very violent corkscrew and everyone lost eyes on it. No events were seen. I searched for quite some time and couldn't find it. The next day, one of the launch organizers walked by with half of what I recognized as my sustainer. It apparently had come in ballistic. He had found it with a couple of inches of fin sticking up and had dug out what he could do easily. He gave me a vector to the site which he had marked with a 20' circle of turned earth. Dave and I borrowed a shovel and headed out to recover the remains of the top half. Not pretty. The entire top half (app. 24" long) was compressed into a mass about 6" long. The all thread was bent like wet noodles, and the fiberglass nosecone appeared to have basically disintegrated. It was depressing, but cool too. Simulation shows that it should have been going around 300-350MPH when it hit. All charges were fired, but I suspect that happened post impact as no separation had happened. The Tether was bent, but should be repairable. The only other salvageable parts re the fins (which were still solidly attached) and the shock cord. My guess as to altitude was separation at about 2K' with ignition somewhat after that. The sustainer did not get to gain much altitude after that -- so maybe a max altitude of 3-4K' as opposed to the planned for 10K. Dissecting the remains after getting home, I found the Altimeter board broken in half with all of the surface mount components no longer attached -- the force had sheared all the solder joints and stripped the board clean! Somehow I think I voided the warranty. My guess as to what happened is that either the rocket was not moving fast enough to be stable under the added thrust when the sustainer lit and so went unstable, or the nozzle cracked or burned through or was in some other way asymmetrical leading to vectored thrust. I suspect the former -- my delay for ignition was set assuming larger motors (the original plan was a K570 to a J350) and I had gotten lazy and not shortened it. This may have led to the sustainer having time to slow too much before the ignition -- the equivalent of launching it on too short a rail. The violence of the corkscrew probably caused the battery to come loose and/or a lead to break or pull free taking away power to the alt. The Mission Control Alt did a great job on the separation charge and the 2nd stage ignition; unfortunately it was a casualty of user error :( I will definitely rebuild the sustainer and try again and will likely stick with the Mission Control -- well, a different one, of course. 6) 54 Special on a J540 Redline. Dual Deploy with main at 500 feet. Totally lost view on the rocket right after burnout as the clouds were lower than they looked. Saw the main deploy off in the distance and it settled down with the chute inflated making recovery easy about 3/4 mile away from the flight line. The nosecone was separated from the rest of the rocket with the chute attached to it, but apparently it separated just above the ground since they were all lying closely together and there was no sign of a hard landing other than the altimeter being off. The cruddy nylon cord attach in the 54 Special had frayed through. Luckily, it is the part that is easy to get at and fix. For future flights, I'll be making sure that the lower cord that is made of the same stuff has a heat shield on it. MAWD reported no data since it apparently got bounced hard enough to mess up its data recording. Probably went to between 3 and 4K'. We planned on packing up Sunday night and hitting the road in the am, but some good food, beer and scotch got in the way so we left packing til morning. Rose early (5 am) and loaded up and were on the road by 6:30. 13 1/2 hours later we were home. Highlights for me:All the ARLISS flights. I definitely want to try to get involved in that program. Watching a Japanese student from one of the ARLISS teams dong a karate kata in his gi out in the desert Seeing an ARLISS rover scrambling across the Playa towards the target Vern's talking GPS system was a total hoot. Only thing he missed was a panicky scream when descending without a Main. All the multi-stage flights. There were many more than in past years. All were cool, though some were more successful than others. Cerulean Dream (is that the right name?) with its 3 sets of air starts Hanging out with folks Saturday night during the night launch with us all using green lasers to track the flights Meeting the really nice folks at What's Up Hobbies and Discount Rocketry The first half of my 2 stage flight. Lowlights: Losing the FatBoy+ The second half of my 2 stage flight followed by my first ever shovel recovery Seeing Mike Wyvel get so close with is 2 stage only to hear the waiver close just as he was ready to fly Having to leave. -------------- next part -------------- Hi All, ? This is a brief launch report from my trip down to XPRS. ? Mike Wyvel, Dave Randall and I headed down in Mike's RV (thanks Mike!)?on the 17th and after a stop to pick up a replacement altimeter from Fred Anzinger at a McDonalds in Portland and some navigation adjustments to avoid closed roads (wildfires were burning) we spent a few hours sleeping at a Klamath Falls rest area then continued, arriving at the Playa just after mid-day on the 18th. We got the camp set up and started prepping rockets. The weather was pretty decent, if breezy, but folks who had been on the Playa longer told us that there had been a whopper of a storm the day before. Some were calling it a tornado, though having grown up in the Midwest, what was described doesn't really measure up. More like a very strong whirlwind -- but it messed up some folks' camps pretty thoroughly whatever it was. ? We woke on Thursday morning to three ARLISS launches in a row. Nothing like 3 'M' launches to start your day. ? Dave has already posted info on his flights, and I'll let Mike speak to his, but here are mine for the three days: ? 1) The inaugural and final flight of the new FatBoy+. This is my very stock-looking, but completely scratch-built FatBoy clone. It is app. 1/2" longer than a regular FatBoy and flies on a 54mm J90. Needless to say, it was invisible in the sky after burnout. I had a Beeline TX in it and had strong signal and a general direction as it came down, but the signal cut off abruptly and we were unable to locate the rocket. Estimate of altitude was probably around 9-10K'. I consider it a gift to the Playa. One fun thing was the reaction of James, the LCO when he saw what it really was (after thinking it was a regular FatBoy. I got a "Whoah" and a handshake :) ? 2) Little Lunar Express (called Skylark) on an I350SS. This is my L1 rocket from 4 years ago, flying for the first time since. The I350 is probably a bit more motor than appropriate, but I had one handy. It went up very fast with a little angle. The Delay was tad long, but not too bad. Unfortunately, the chute tangled and the rocket came down pretty hard. The only damage was one fin pod getting cracked off. A little glue and paint and she'll be good as new. If I had to guess an altitude (no altimeter) I would say app. 4500 feet. ? 3) FrankenRocket on a J500 Mojave Green. FrankenRocket is a carbon fiber over fiberglass rebuild of a dead Firestorm 54 with a hardwood nosecone. It weighs about 5 pounds. The Mojave Green really goes fast and I almost didn't have time to go "cool -- it's green" before it was gone. The dual deploy worked perfectly with the?main popping at 500' and the rocket landed about 200 yards away from the flight line. MAWD reported 4,450 feet. ? 4) FrankenRocket on a K570. Nice liftoff and quickly disappeared from view. I had a 45 second smoke charge in it and was able to track it visually through the binoculars all the way down. Ended up about 1/4 mile away from the RV. MAWD reported 11,448' -- my new personal altitude record, and the winner of the K-class altitude contest (which, admittedly, not many people entered). ? 5) My 2-stage rocket BiPolar Disorder on a J350 staging to an I350SS. Boost was very nice with very little angle and almost no roll. Separation happened right on schedule and the 2nd stage lit nicely. Unfortunately, it went wonky after that. The sustainer immediately did a very violent corkscrew and everyone lost eyes on it. No events were seen. I searched for quite some time and couldn't find it. The next day, one of the launch organizers walked by with half of what I recognized as my sustainer. It apparently had come in ballistic. He had found it with a couple of inches of fin sticking up and had dug out what he could do easily. He gave me a vector to the site which he had marked with a 20' circle of turned earth. Dave and I borrowed a shovel and headed out to recover the remains of the top half. Not pretty. The entire top half (app. 24" long) was compressed into a mass about 6" long. The all thread was bent like wet noodles, and the fiberglass nosecone appeared to have basically disintegrated. It was depressing, but cool too. Simulation shows that it should have been going around 300-350MPH when it hit. All charges were fired, but I suspect that happened post impact as no separation had happened. The Tether was bent, but should be repairable. The only other salvageable parts re the fins (which were still solidly attached) and the shock cord. My guess as to altitude was separation at about 2K' with ignition somewhat after that. The sustainer did not get to gain much altitude after that -- so maybe a max altitude of 3-4K' as opposed to the planned for 10K. ? Dissecting the remains after getting home, I found the Altimeter board broken in half with all of the surface mount components no longer attached -- the force had sheared all the solder joints and stripped the board clean! Somehow I think I voided the warranty. My guess as to what happened is that either the rocket was not moving fast enough to be stable under the added thrust when the sustainer lit and so went unstable, or the nozzle cracked or burned through or was in some other way asymmetrical leading to vectored thrust. I suspect the former -- my delay for ignition was set assuming larger motors (the original plan was a K570 to a J350) and I had gotten lazy and not shortened it. This may have led to the sustainer having time to slow too much before the ignition -- the equivalent of launching it on too short a rail. The violence of the corkscrew probably caused the battery to come loose and/or a lead to break or pull free taking away power to the alt. ? The Mission Control Alt did a great job on the separation charge and the 2nd stage ignition; unfortunately it was a casualty of user error :( I will definitely rebuild the sustainer and try again and will likely stick with the Mission Control -- well, a different one, of course. ? 6) 54 Special on a J540 Redline. Dual Deploy with main at 500 feet. Totally lost view on the rocket right after burnout as the clouds were lower than they looked. Saw the main deploy off in the distance and it settled down with the chute inflated making recovery easy about 3/4 mile away from the flight line. The nosecone was separated from?the rest of the rocket with the chute attached to it, but apparently it separated just above?the ground since they were all lying closely together and there was no sign of a hard landing other than the altimeter being off. The cruddy nylon cord attach in the 54 Special had frayed through. Luckily, it is the part that is easy to get at and fix. For future flights, I'll be making sure that the lower cord that is made of the same stuff has a heat shield on it. MAWD reported no data since it apparently got bounced hard enough to mess up its data recording. Probably went to between 3 and 4K'. ? We planned on packing up Sunday night and hitting the road in the am, but some good food, beer and scotch got in the way so we left packing til morning. Rose early (5 am) and loaded up and were on the road by 6:30. 13 1/2 hours later we were home. ? Highlights for me: All the ARLISS flights. I definitely want to try to get involved in that program. Watching a Japanese student from one of the ARLISS teams dong a karate kata in his gi out in the desert Seeing an ARLISS rover scrambling across the?Playa towards the target ? Vern's talking GPS system was a total hoot. Only thing he missed was a panicky scream when descending without a Main. All the multi-stage flights. There were many more than in past years. All were cool, though some were more successful than others. Cerulean Dream (is that the right name?) with its 3 sets of air starts Hanging out with folks Saturday night during the night launch with us all using green lasers to track the flights Meeting the really nice folks at What's Up Hobbies and Discount Rocketry The first half of my 2 stage flight. ? Lowlights: Losing the FatBoy+ The second half of my 2 stage flight followed by my first ever shovel recovery Seeing Mike Wyvel get so close with is 2 stage only to hear the waiver close just as he was ready to fly Having to leave. ? ? ? ? From bigrockets at verizon.net Thu Sep 25 14:49:19 2008 From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:49:19 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Science Channel Message-ID: <001501c91f58$9113d930$b33b8b90$@net> I had the opportunity to watch the Science channel last night and today. They were tackling a proposed solution to global warming. Seems this astronomer guy (Roger Angel) has this idea of putting in between the sun and the earth a poultry 16 trillion diffuser lenses. It's supposed to lower the solar energy level on earth by 2%. Ok. To produce lenses of some substance on the order of 16 trillion would bankrupt the entire planet according to the TV guys. So those of you who saw this know that the TV dudes contracted some high tech silicon outfit to make some ultra thin lens. Problem with that is they are ultra fragile. Now to test the survivability of these things during the delivery process, they decided to try two approaches. The first one was a coil gun. Now is there a difference between a rail gun and a coil gun? There must be methinks. They got someone to build this thing and we were being told that one capacitor would kill 50 people and all sorts of similar high tech descriptions of the inner workings of this thing. From what I've heard about rail guns is that they accelerate projectiles close to the speed of light? Anyhow I was expecting this gun to produce some pretty spectacular demonstrations. When the crew decided to put up a large block of ballistic gelatin a mere 5 feet or so from the muzzle of the gun I knew Mickey Mouse was aloof somewhere on the set. The resulting discharge from the gun was less than spectacular even less so than watching an arrow leave a bow. This metal projectile plopped into this gelatin block up to about the middle of it. They somehow recorded around 1100 g's which is 100 g's over what they needed so I guess that experiment was partially a success. The lens inside the projectile were destroyed due to some shock wave that propagated thru the projectile. So they made another chamber in the projectile to cushion it from this shock wave and added a parachute for a vertical flight. They fired this thing and of course the parachute failed to deploy and it came in ballistic. Everyone scratching their heads and saying how they couldn't understand how this could happen! Come on out to any rocket launch guys and you'll see that happen a few times. I had to laugh a little. Where do they get these people anyway? So then they had a couple of Englishmen built a scale rocket. A pretty good sized unit to boot. If I remember the story they said that it utilized 23 motors. I think they were all hybrids too, judging from the racks of Nitrous oxide bottles near the launch pad. The English guys did a splendid job of construction on this bird, nice pretty tubular metal stringers and trick looking bulk heads etc. This thing had a launch weight of over 1000 lbs. They also had a camera system on board to watch the lens to see if they were destroyed by the vibrations from the rocket motors. Of course the camera failed just before launch. There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst the science folks, this gal that designed it was highly vexed. There was also supposed to be some back up system but of course you couldn't see any video output from this deal either. Well they went ahead and pushed the button. The rocket sat there for a few seconds and lumbered off the pad. Looked to me like their thrust to weight ratio was in the toilet. Anyway it managed to leave the launch rail and flew upwards for maybe 1000 feet then sput sput and it almost quit then relit and flew upward a little further before totally shutting down. Now the thing is tipping over for a lawn dart landing. All the people in the bunker are going ballistic along with the rocket. The two English dudes are jumping up and down screaming usless commands at the dead rocket as it picks up speed. It went in nose first behind some trees, and one of the English guys starts crying. I guess he wouldn't make it in high power. Sure it was a painful loss but no more so than lots of projects that went up and came down nose first at Black Rock. Everyone went over to the crash site and were stunned to see 40' of rocket accordianed into 15' of crumpled airframe. One of the necktie financial dudes said he couldn't believe the rocket was reduced to this length. I had to laugh again. He admitted that he'd never seen a rocket launch before. Apparently he'd never seen a rocket crash either. They found the memory chip for the back up video camera that was supposed to be watching the lenses, by digging thru the rocket's debris. Someone found a mount for one of the lens and it was pulverized. Upon this discovery the physics guy says something like "the lens was totally destroyed!" Gee ya think? Ballistic landings in rockets of that size are less than genteel. Every time I see one of these TV deals that involves rockets it shows how little research goes into finding qualified people to pull off their "stunts." Seeing the Gates Brothers involved with the Myth Busters was at least better than usual. I find it amusing that when something catastrophic happens (and it usually seems to with the TV people) that everyone is stunned at the outcome. If I were one of the Gates brothers I'd at least brief the crew on the consequences of a CATO, or failure of the flight or experiment. Is it so hard to tell the crew that if the rocket comes in ballistic that it will be somewhat shorter than when it was flying? I'm not an Einstein or a genius by any stretch of the imagination, and I'm not a hardass either, but if the antics of these reality shows can be wondered about by a guy like me, then that says to me that there's a serious absence of common sense in these shows. Still it's fun to watch these guys throw money away on some of these hair-brained ideas. The next time the TV dudes need a rocket for something maybe they should get with the rocket people in our Pacific Northwest if they want a reliable rocket motor, and a recovery system that works and staging that actually works when it's supposed to. I'm proud to be a part of this community. I suppose it'll take the rest of Hollywood the same amount of time for the rest of the United States to realize that there are two outstanding states above California, fully equipped with people who know what the hell they are doing with rockets, motors, recovery and staging systems and tracking systems. Wow what a sentence that was! My English teacher would kill me! Anyway that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Dave Proffitt -------------- next part -------------- I had the opportunity to watch the Science channel last night and today. They were tackling a proposed solution to global warming. Seems this astronomer guy (Roger Angel) has this idea of putting in between the sun and the earth a poultry 16 trillion diffuser lenses. It???s supposed to lower the solar energy level on earth by 2%. Ok. To produce lenses of some substance on the order of 16 trillion would bankrupt the entire planet according to the TV guys. So those of you who saw this know that the TV dudes contracted some high tech silicon outfit to make some ultra thin lens. Problem with that is they are ultra fragile. Now to test the survivability of these things during the delivery process, they decided to try two approaches. The first one was a coil gun. Now is there a difference between a rail gun and a coil gun? There must be methinks. They got someone to build this thing and we were being told that one capacitor would kill 50 people and all sorts of similar high tech descriptions of the inner workings of this thing. From what I???ve heard about rail guns is that they accelerate projectiles close to the speed of light? Anyhow I was expecting this gun to produce some pretty spectacular demonstrations. When the crew decided to put up a large block of ballistic gelatin a mere 5 feet or so from the muzzle of the gun I knew Mickey Mouse was aloof somewhere on the set. The resulting discharge from the gun was less than spectacular even less so than watching an arrow leave a bow. This metal projectile plopped into this gelatin block up to about the middle of it. They somehow recorded around 1100 g???s which is 100 g???s over what they needed so I guess that experiment was partially a success. The lens inside the projectile were destroyed due to some shock wave that propagated thru the projectile. So they made another chamber in the projectile to cushion it from this shock wave and added a parachute for a vertical flight. They fired this thing and of course the parachute failed to deploy and it came in ballistic. Everyone scratching their heads and saying how they couldn???t understand how this could happen! Come on out to any rocket launch guys and you???ll see that happen a few times. I had to laugh a little. Where do they get these people anyway? So then they had a couple of Englishmen built a scale rocket. A pretty good sized unit to boot. If I remember the story they said that it utilized 23 motors. I think they were all hybrids too, judging from the racks of Nitrous oxide bottles near the launch pad. The English guys did a splendid job of construction on this bird, nice pretty tubular metal stringers and trick looking bulk heads etc. This thing had a launch weight of over 1000 lbs. They also had a camera system on board to watch the lens to see if they were destroyed by the vibrations from the rocket motors. Of course the camera failed just before launch. There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst the science folks, this gal that designed it was highly vexed. There was also supposed to be some back up system but of course you couldn???t see any video output from this deal either. Well they went ahead and pushed the button. The rocket sat there for a few seconds and lumbered off the pad. Looked to me like their thrust to weight ratio was in the toilet. Anyway it managed to leave the launch rail and flew upwards for maybe 1000 feet then sput sput and it almost quit then relit and flew upward a little further before totally shutting down. Now the thing is tipping over for a lawn dart landing. All the people in the bunker are going ballistic along with the rocket. The two English dudes are jumping up and down screaming usless commands at the dead rocket as it picks up speed. It went in nose first behind some trees, and one of the English guys starts crying. I guess he wouldn???t make it in high power. Sure it was a painful loss but no more so than lots of projects that went up and came down nose first at Black Rock. Everyone went over to the crash site and were stunned to see 40??? of rocket accordianed into 15??? of crumpled airframe. One of the necktie financial dudes said he couldn???t believe the rocket was reduced to this length. I had to laugh again. He admitted that he???d never seen a rocket launch before. Apparently he???d never seen a rocket crash either. They found the memory chip for the back up video camera that was supposed to be watching the lenses, by digging thru the rocket???s debris. Someone found a mount for one of the lens and it was pulverized. Upon this discovery the physics guy says something like ???the lens was totally destroyed!??? Gee ya think? Ballistic landings in rockets of that size are less than genteel. Every time I see one of these TV deals that involves rockets it shows how little research goes into finding qualified people to pull off their ???stunts.??? Seeing the Gates Brothers involved with the Myth Busters was at least better than usual. I find it amusing that when something catastrophic happens (and it usually seems to with the TV people) that everyone is stunned at the outcome. If I were one of the Gates brothers I???d at least brief the crew on the consequences of a CATO, or failure of the flight or experiment. Is it so hard to tell the crew that if the rocket comes in ballistic that it will be somewhat shorter than when it was flying? I???m not an Einstein or a genius by any stretch of the imagination, and I???m not a hardass either, but if the antics of these reality shows can be wondered about by a guy like me, then that says to me that there???s a serious absence of common sense in these shows. Still it???s fun to watch these guys throw money away on some of these hair-brained ideas. The next time the TV dudes need a rocket for something maybe they should get with the rocket people in our Pacific Northwest if they want a reliable rocket motor, and a recovery system that works and staging that actually works when it???s supposed to. I???m proud to be a part of this community. I suppose it???ll take the rest of Hollywood the same amount of time for the rest of the United States to realize that there are two outstanding states above California, fully equipped with people who know what the hell they are doing with rockets, motors, recovery and staging systems and tracking systems. Wow what a sentence that was! My English teacher would kill me! Anyway that???s my story and I???m sticking to it. Dave Proffitt ? From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Thu Sep 25 15:23:47 2008 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:23:47 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Science Channel In-Reply-To: <001501c91f58$9113d930$b33b8b90$@net> References: <001501c91f58$9113d930$b33b8b90$@net> Message-ID: <48DC0F73.50603@hawkfeather.com> It's been discussed on the Yahoo hybrids group. The project used 7 Contrail O6300 hybrids - 4 on launch (one didn't fire) and 3 airstarted - plus 16 Pro38 motors. Definitely TV hype (and budget), all their electronics & payload could have gotten to the spec'd 10K' on an M. Andrew. Dave Proffitt wrote: > I had the opportunity to watch the Science channel last night and today. They were tackling a proposed solution to global warming. Seems this astronomer guy (Roger Angel) has this idea of putting in between the sun and the earth a poultry 16 trillion diffuser lenses. It???s supposed to lower the solar energy level on earth by 2%. Ok. To produce lenses of some substance on the order of 16 trillion would bankrupt the entire planet according to the TV guys. So those of you who saw this know that the TV dudes contracted some high tech silicon outfit to make some ultra thin lens. Problem with that is they are ultra fragile. > Now to test the survivability of these things during the delivery process, they decided to try two approaches. The first one was a coil gun. Now is there a difference between a rail gun and a coil gun? There must be methinks. They got someone to build this thing and we were being told that one capacitor would kill 50 people and all sorts of similar high tech descriptions of the inner workings of this thing. From what I???ve heard about rail guns is that they accelerate projectiles close to the speed of light? Anyhow I was expecting this gun to produce some pretty spectacular demonstrations. When the crew decided to put up a large block of ballistic gelatin a mere 5 feet or so from the muzzle of the gun I knew Mickey Mouse was aloof somewhere on the set. The resulting discharge from the gun was less than spectacular even less so than watching an arrow leave a bow. This metal projectile plopped into this gelatin block up to about the middle of it. They somehow recorded around 1100 g???s which is 100 g???s over what they needed so I guess that experiment was partially a success. The lens inside the projectile were destroyed due to some shock wave that propagated thru the projectile. So they made another chamber in the projectile to cushion it from this shock wave and added a parachute for a vertical flight. > They fired this thing and of course the parachute failed to deploy and it came in ballistic. Everyone scratching their heads and saying how they couldn???t understand how this could happen! Come on out to any rocket launch guys and you???ll see that happen a few times. I had to laugh a little. Where do they get these people anyway? > So then they had a couple of Englishmen built a scale rocket. A pretty good sized unit to boot. If I remember the story they said that it utilized 23 motors. I think they were all hybrids too, judging from the racks of Nitrous oxide bottles near the launch pad. The English guys did a splendid job of construction on this bird, nice pretty tubular metal stringers and trick looking bulk heads etc. This thing had a launch weight of over 1000 lbs. They also had a camera system on board to watch the lens to see if they were destroyed by the vibrations from the rocket motors. Of course the camera failed just before launch. There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst the science folks, this gal that designed it was highly vexed. There was also supposed to be some back up system but of course you couldn???t see any video output from this deal either. > Well they went ahead and pushed the button. The rocket sat there for a few seconds and lumbered off the pad. Looked to me like their thrust to weight ratio was in the toilet. Anyway it managed to leave the launch rail and flew upwards for maybe 1000 feet then sput sput and it almost quit then relit and flew upward a little further before totally shutting down. Now the thing is tipping over for a lawn dart landing. All the people in the bunker are going ballistic along with the rocket. The two English dudes are jumping up and down screaming usless commands at the dead rocket as it picks up speed. It went in nose first behind some trees, and one of the English guys starts crying. I guess he wouldn???t make it in high power. Sure it was a painful loss but no more so than lots of projects that went up and came down nose first at Black Rock. > Everyone went over to the crash site and were stunned to see 40??? of rocket accordianed into 15??? of crumpled airframe. One of the necktie financial dudes said he couldn???t believe the rocket was reduced to this length. I had to laugh again. He admitted that he???d never seen a rocket launch before. Apparently he???d never seen a rocket crash either. They found the memory chip for the back up video camera that was supposed to be watching the lenses, by digging thru the rocket???s debris. Someone found a mount for one of the lens and it was pulverized. Upon this discovery the physics guy says something like ???the lens was totally destroyed!??? Gee ya think? Ballistic landings in rockets of that size are less than genteel. Every time I see one of these TV deals that involves rockets it shows how little research goes into finding qualified people to pull off their ???stunts.??? Seeing the Gates Brothers involved with the Myth Busters was at least better than usual. I find it amusing that when something catastrophic happens (and it usually seems to with the TV people) that everyone is stunned at the outcome. If I were one of the Gates brothers I???d at least brief the crew on the consequences of a CATO, or failure of the flight or experiment. Is it so hard to tell the crew that if the rocket comes in ballistic that it will be somewhat shorter than when it was flying? > I???m not an Einstein or a genius by any stretch of the imagination, and I???m not a hardass either, but if the antics of these reality shows can be wondered about by a guy like me, then that says to me that there???s a serious absence of common sense in these shows. Still it???s fun to watch these guys throw money away on some of these hair-brained ideas. > The next time the TV dudes need a rocket for something maybe they should get with the rocket people in our Pacific Northwest if they want a reliable rocket motor, and a recovery system that works and staging that actually works when it???s supposed to. I???m proud to be a part of this community. I suppose it???ll take the rest of Hollywood the same amount of time for the rest of the United States to realize that there are two outstanding states above California, fully equipped with people who know what the hell they are doing with rockets, motors, recovery and staging systems and tracking systems. Wow what a sentence that was! My English teacher would kill me! > Anyway that???s my story and I???m sticking to it. > Dave Proffitt > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 19:11:53 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:11:53 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] my Sheridan launch report References: <48D8904C.1050704@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00b201c91f7d$3fea42e0$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Steve, Great report. I can honestly say as a witness that your easy-up was busy all day with certs, testing, build o'motors, etc. I'm so happy the read the you did finally get some flying in. The warp9 on Saturday was a kick to watch and hear. Nice wake up call. But realized when you stepped out of the drag race that you were busy. So good you got some other flights in. Fantastic news that you brought 8 new people into high power. Plus moving one to L2. To all those that certified, welcome to high power - get out your checkbook. Just think, these BAR's are new or sustained help the club membership. What a busy, but fun weekend. Thank you again for the long hours. And to Yvonne, awesome job keeping us all organized. ;-) Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Tarr" To: "NW Rocketry mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:44 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] my Sheridan launch report > At mid-afternoon Saturday, we had 102 vehicles parked along the flight > line, counted over 236 people in attendance (probably more like 250), > and had launched 305 flights. > > By the end of the weekend, we estimated close to 500 flights. > > I personally signed off 9 NAR cert flights (including one L2) and know > of at least one, probably two, others that were witnessed and signed by > other people. > > We had a few mishaps, but I think the overall rate of recovery failures > was lower than many other launches I've seen. > > It was exhausting. We could have used several more volunteers to staff > everything properly and there were a few things we missed, and times > when fliers were left for long periods waiting for one of us. But > everyone was patient, understanding and encouraging. > > Many MANY thanks to Gary Fillible for getting us the site, arranging for > porta-potties, long hours at the LCO table, and keeping us all excited > and upbeat throughout the launch. To Randy Birzer for patiently wading > through negotiations with a confusing and confused bureaucracy. To > Robert Krausert for handling a lot of the pre-launch organization, more > hours at the LCO table, and especially for running the popular drag race > and night launch events. To Yvonne Moscoe for efficiency, organization, > and taking charge of whatever needed to be done, including handling the > FSO table for most of the launch. To Mark Gholston for hauling the > trailer, setup and teardown, even more LCO time, and having just the > right hardware when we needed it. And to Dale Coleman, John Hornsby, > Mike Wyvel, Brett Philips and the others who helped with setup, > teardown, and overall operations. > > Thanks, too, to Bob Grossfeld and Bill Munds who travelled long > distances with full inventories. > > And most especially to Jay and John Scharf and their families for not > only allowing us to use the land, but also changing their plowing > schedule so that we could launch this weekend. > > Oh, yes. I did manage to put in a few flights of my own. My saucer on > an H669 (wake up!), an F60 and an F20. A Tiny Pterodactyl on an F60. A > few flights with various Edmonds and a Quest boost glider. I kept > thinking about launching my crayon, but there was never enough time and > enough clear sky. And I had plenty of other flights to witness, that > didn't cost me a dime. GREAT LAUNCH! > > -Steve Tarr > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From jpr602 at mac.com Thu Sep 25 21:29:59 2008 From: jpr602 at mac.com (John Roberts) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:29:59 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: FAA/AST info regarding flights at BALLS In-Reply-To: <000001c91e81$279e4cb0$c801a8c0@steve> References: <000001c91e81$279e4cb0$c801a8c0@steve> Message-ID: On Sep 24, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Steve Cutonilli wrote: > Folks - an honest mistake. > > I didn't read thru the entire note inclusive of the confidentiality > part Oh, that's just boilerplate stuff that's part of his email signature. If he meant for it to be confidential, he should have said so at the top of the message. From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 18:20:53 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:20:53 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry Launch Event Rocketober October 10th - 12th Message-ID: <001701c9203f$4cb468d0$6501a8c0@LaptopKrausert> OregonRocketry Launch Event Rocketober October 10th - 12th Hello Brothers, and Sisters, we would like you to join us for the last OregonRocketry launch event of 2008 in Brothers Oregon. Research motor launch (EX) will be held on Friday October 10th. Commercial launch will be held on Saturday and Sunday, October 11th and 12th. This is a fun and exciting launch because of this being the last major OregonRocketry launch of the year. Members with leftover motors often make every attempt to fly them during this event so they are not stored through the winter. And those that have the great joy of flying rockets, this is our last major club launch till May 2009. Gotta fly... ;-) We currently have Mark Gholston currently planning to attend the launch event, and if coming will be hauling the trailer. However we would like to have a backup volunteers for hauling the trailer to and from the event. So please, if you are planning to attend and can bring the trailer to and from the event, please email me directly. If something changes, we want to ensure that the trailer is covered. Remember you get reimbursement for each mile. We will need volunteers to help with setup and teardown of the GSE at this event. Those planning to be there Friday afternoon and can help with setup, please let me know. And those planning to be there Sunday afternoon to help with teardown, please let me know. We will have a vendor on site, Bill @ PSP will be there, and we thank Bill for attending. On site we will be asking for LCO and RSO volunteers. LCO sharing will certainly be happening. This is to ensure that all our members, including the BoD, have an opportunity to fly some rockets. Our RSD (Range Safety Director) might be at this event. RSO needs will be as needed, and called via the PA system. I'll be asking the safety director to send a reminder of the rules from OROC and TRA for those attending and participating during Friday, research day. Brothers is a great launch site, one of the best in the nation.Normal waiver cleared to 18.5K feet with call in extensions to 35K. Great site for night launches, happening Saturday from dusk till 10:00pm. Weather is on the change, and you'll need to prepare for cool if not cold evenings. If you enjoy chatting at the community fire pit on Friday and Saturday nights, consider bringing a bundle of wood or two to contribute to the fire. Many enjoy the conversation and relaxing times at the community fire talking with old friends and meeting new friends, we ask that you consider contributing. Last launch of the year for OregonRocketry, but also within a couple weeks of Halloween. Consider bringing something for the kids, like trick or treat. When youngsters are reviewing rockets or at the community fire, consider bringing some treats for those young at heart. Also, glow sticks are great fun. The sticks can be linked and made into anything the mind can think up. Not required in any way. Just some ideas. This and much more will be discussed at the next OregonRocketry monthly meeting on October 2nd 2008. Details at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-mtg.htm. Cheers, Robert Proud member of OregonRocketry -------------- next part -------------- OregonRocketry Launch Event Rocketober October 10th - 12th Hello Brothers, and Sisters, we would like you to join us for the last OregonRocketry launch event of 2008 in Brothers Oregon. Research motor launch (EX) will be held on Friday October 10th. Commercial launch will be held on Saturday and Sunday, October 11th and 12th. This is a fun and exciting launch because of this being the last major OregonRocketry launch of the year. Members with leftover motors often make every attempt to fly them during this event so they are not stored through the winter. And those that have the great joy of flying rockets, this is our last major club launch till May 2009. Gotta fly... ;-) We currently have Mark Gholston?currently planning to attend the launch event, and if coming will be hauling the trailer. However we would like to have a backup volunteers for hauling the trailer to and from the event. So please, if you are planning to attend and can bring the trailer to and from the event, please email me directly. If something changes, we want to ensure that the trailer is covered. Remember you get reimbursement for each mile. We will need volunteers to help with setup and teardown of the GSE at this event. Those planning to be there Friday afternoon and can help with setup, please let me know. And those planning to be there Sunday afternoon to help with teardown, please let me know. We will have a vendor on site, Bill @ PSP will be there, and we thank Bill for attending. On site we will be asking for LCO and RSO volunteers. LCO sharing will certainly be happening. This is to ensure that all our members, including the BoD, have an opportunity to fly some rockets. Our RSD (Range Safety Director) might be at this event. RSO needs will be as needed, and called via the PA system. I'll be asking the safety director to send a reminder of the rules from OROC and TRA for those attending and participating during Friday, research day. Brothers is a great launch site, one of the best in the nation.Normal waiver cleared to 18.5K feet with call in extensions to 35K. Great site for night launches, happening Saturday from dusk till 10:00pm. Weather is on the change, and you'll need to prepare for cool if not cold evenings. If you enjoy chatting at the community fire pit on Friday and Saturday nights, consider bringing a bundle of wood or two to contribute to the fire. Many enjoy the conversation and relaxing times at the community fire talking with old friends and meeting new friends, we ask that you consider contributing. Last launch of the year for OregonRocketry, but also within a couple weeks of Halloween. Consider bringing something for the kids, like trick or treat. When youngsters are reviewing rockets or at the community fire, consider bringing some treats for those young at heart. Also, glow sticks are great fun. The sticks can be linked and made into anything the mind can think up. Not required in any way. Just some ideas. This and much more will be discussed at the next OregonRocketry monthly meeting on October 2nd 2008. Details at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-mtg.htm http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-mtg.htm . Cheers, Robert Proud member of OregonRocketry ? From vcp at cableone.net Fri Sep 26 22:28:07 2008 From: vcp at cableone.net (Gary Crowell) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:28:07 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] Science Channel In-Reply-To: <001501c91f58$9113d930$b33b8b90$@net> References: <001501c91f58$9113d930$b33b8b90$@net> Message-ID: <01d901c92061$d3122cb0$79368610$@net> > Now to test the survivability of these things during the delivery > process, they decided to try two approaches. The first one was a coil > gun. Now is there a difference between a rail gun and a coil gun? Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_gun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coil_gun GC From stevet19759 at comcast.net Mon Sep 29 08:00:51 2008 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:00:51 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] OregonRocketry October meting THIS THURSDAY Message-ID: <48E0EDA3.6070305@comcast.net> The OROC October meeting will be THIS THURSDAY, October 2. We'll cover planning for the Rocketober launch (only 1 week later!) and the calendar for next year. New hats, shirts and bumper stickers will be available for purchase at the meeting. Hats and shirts are $15 each, bumper stickers $5. -Steve Tarr From foreveryoung at inlandnet.com Mon Sep 29 07:50:14 2008 From: foreveryoung at inlandnet.com (Bryan Young) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:50:14 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Falcon 1 reaches orbit Message-ID: <001e01c92242$ae857ea0$0b907be0$@com> http://tinyurl.com/42pf4n -------------- next part -------------- http://tinyurl.com/42pf4n http://tinyurl.com/42pf4n ? From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Mon Sep 29 10:05:07 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:05:07 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Falcon 1 reaches orbit In-Reply-To: <001e01c92242$ae857ea0$0b907be0$@com> References: <001e01c92242$ae857ea0$0b907be0$@com> Message-ID: <48E10AC3.7040304@earthlink.net> Video here: http://spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php?id=30 Robert Bryan Young wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/42pf4n http://tinyurl.com/42pf4n > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From george at rachors.com Mon Sep 29 11:01:12 2008 From: george at rachors.com (George L. Rachor Jr.) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Falcon 1 reaches orbit In-Reply-To: <48E10AC3.7040304@earthlink.net> References: <001e01c92242$ae857ea0$0b907be0$@com> <48E10AC3.7040304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080929110019.X8779@racsys.rachors.com> Nice to see the little guys have a success. I know they have been trying pretty hard and have had some bad luck. Now.. Can they repeat with a real payload? George ========================================================= George L. Rachor Jr. george at rachors.com Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX On Mon, 29 Sep 2008, Hammer wrote: > Video here: > > http://spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php?id=30 > > Robert > > Bryan Young wrote: >> http://tinyurl.com/42pf4n http://tinyurl.com/42pf4n >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From adrian.l.carbine at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 11:11:29 2008 From: adrian.l.carbine at gmail.com (Adrian L Carbine) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:11:29 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Balls17 personal launch report Message-ID: Balls17 was a mixed-bag for me this year --- great in some ways, very disappointing in others. It was my 6th launch on the Black Rock playa, and my first trip to Balls. The weather was the best I have seen down there: Thursday afternoon was windy when we arrived, but Friday and Saturday were spectacularly beautiful.... moderate temperature, plenty of sun, and no wind, dust storms, or ice in the morning. There were lots of really impressive projects there, including an all aluminum hybrid rocket with a 14.9 sec burn time and something like P (?) impulse. There a large number of flight failures, mostly CATO's, and some of them were quite spectacular. Oregon was well-represented, and there were many flyers from all over the US and other parts of the world. Vending was great (What's-Up Rocketry was well-stocked and really customer-oriented). I got a kick out of the cannon on Saturday evening --- it was firing 12-lb bowling balls stuffed with what appeared to be red propellant. My flying buddy, Randy Steck, got his L3 cert done, flying his 4" dia "Cinqieme" rocket (it means 5th, in French, as in fifth rocket). He was first guy to fly at the launch on Friday, just before noon, on an M1315, and he had a nice straight boost, but his main chute came out at apogee, so the cert wasn't quite there. Not to be deterred, he fixed the problem, bought another reload and flew it again on Saturday morning, the first flight of that day too, and successfully got his L3. Peak altitude was the same in both flights, at just under 15k ft. Congrats to Randy! For my Triple Threat 3-stage N-N-M project things weren't so smooth. Because my planned burn-time was 16 seconds, I was one of three lucky flyers to catch the attention of the FAA Brain Trust in Washington DC, just a few days before the launch, and their flight sim showed that I was in danger of breaking the 100k waiver. You would think it would be quite a stretch to get from my 75k simulation to their 100k, but as it turns out, it is just amazing how high your rocket can actually go if your Coefficient of Drag (Cd) is only 0.2! Now, according to Rocksim my Cd is a measly 0.5 on the sustainer, and 0.8 for the big honking fins on the first booster, so I'm clearly an underachiever in reducing drag. If I could achieve the superior Cd numbers that the FAA did, I could reach my 95k ft goal with only an H motor. Think of the possibilities! Think of the money savings! Anywho, the entire Tripoli BOD and the Balls launch director got into it, and on Wednesday the emails were flying all over the place, with me spending much of my time that day re-running simulations and emailing more and more data, instead of getting ready to leave, as planned. We left late, and I forgot a bunch of stuff, which was irritating, but we still had a good trip down to Nevada. Upon arriving at the launch site, I got the word that my 3-stage flight was officially nixed. So I spent the rest of Thursday and all day Friday figuring out whether and how to still fly 2-stage. Being designed for 3-stage minimum-diameter flight, my rocket is complex, so it isn't easy to change its configuration on moment's notice and go through TRA BOD approval again. To make it worse, we needed to leave the playa by 4pm on Saturday to get back home for some important stuff on Sunday. It would have been relatively easy to fly it as a 3-stage boosted-dart on the same 1st and 2nd booster motors, but that isn't very interesting for me (essentially that's what I already did in 2006 at XPRS), and plus it would waste $1700 worth of propellant that I would just "have to" buy again next year. So I was leaning toward being a spectator on Saturday. However, at 9:30 pm I got a call from Mark Clark (the Balls launch director) on Gabe's sat-phone that I had the green light to fly my original N4000 to N2000 to M1400 configuration. After that, it was off to the races to do a full day's worth of rocket prep on Saturday morning. I had planned to fly it first thing on Saturday morning, so that I would have the rest of the day to find my sustainer and enjoy watching the other projects. Instead I spent Saturday building my motors, assembling the recovery system, overcoming the usual last-minute glitches, etc. and finally had the rocket on the pad at 4:30, already past our 4:00 planned time to leave the launch. After waiting for Fred and the Hardtail team to push the button on their 2-stage Nike project loaded up next door on John Lyngdal's tower (unfortunately it was a really impressive CATO, due to a motor casing failure at the snap ring groove), I climbed the tower to arm all the electronics at T-minus-15 minutes before the 5pm close of the 100k ft waiver. After flipping on switches I discovered that the DG Control was reporting an open circuit in one of the pyro channels. No matter how many times I tried arming the DGC, it still said the same thing. With only 10 minutes left in the waiver, I knew I was sunk for the day, and sunk for the launch. So with great regret I scrubbed the mission. Upon pulling the rocket apart back at camp I discovered a break in the 8-conductor tape wire in the sustainer fin can, where it goes past the motor's aft closure. Two of these circuits control staging separation (primary and backup), one ignites the motor, and the last one reports separation status to the Beeline GPS transmitter. I found a break in the motor ignition circuit and in the primary staging circuit, so the flight was definitely hosed. If I had found this problem first thing Saturday morning, as planned (before the FAA got involved and "added value"), I could have fixed it and still flown by mid-morning, but with only 10 minutes left in the waiver I was out of luck. So we packed it up and headed home. I do have to say that the Tripoli BOD and the Balls launch organizers really tried hard to remedy a situation that was beyond their control and sprung on us late in the game, and they put in a lot of time trying to straighten it out. They really earned their "pay" on this one (i.e. lots of work for no money), and I was impressed that they didn't just say "oh well", and blow it off. My hat's off to them. I hope they can help educate the new guys down at the FAA, and get the TRA 60-sec burn-time agreement documented so we don't have to go through this again in the future. I also really appreciated Kimberly Harms loaning me the Jumbo launch pad and the Team Hardtail guys for hauling it down there and back for me. Fred and Mikey and the gang were great too, for loaning me nuts and bolts and misc stuff to try to get a 2-stage flight to happen. I'm going to give it another try next year. But it better fly then, cuz I'm getting tired of driving all the way to Black Rock only to spend the time all stressed-out solving more problems! The work-to-fun ratio was definitely out of whack this year. --- Adrian -------------- next part -------------- Balls17 was a mixed-bag for me this year --- great in some ways, very disappointing in others. ? It was my 6th launch on?the Black Rock playa, and my first trip to Balls. The weather was the best I have seen down there: Thursday afternoon was windy when we arrived, but Friday and Saturday were spectacularly beautiful.... moderate temperature, plenty of sun, and no wind, dust storms, or ice in the morning. There were lots of really impressive projects there, including an all aluminum hybrid rocket with a 14.9 sec burn time and something like P (?) impulse. There a large number of flight failures, mostly CATO's, and some of them were quite spectacular. Oregon was well-represented, and there were many flyers from all over the US and other parts of the world. Vending was great (What's-Up Rocketry was well-stocked and really customer-oriented). I got a kick out of the cannon on Saturday evening --- it was firing 12-lb bowling balls stuffed with what appeared to be red propellant. ? My flying buddy, Randy Steck, got his L3 cert done, flying his 4" dia "Cinqieme" rocket (it means 5th, in French, as in fifth rocket). He was first guy to fly at the launch on Friday, just before noon, on an M1315, and he had a nice straight boost, but his main chute came out at apogee, so the cert wasn't quite there.?Not to be deterred, he fixed the problem, bought another reload and flew it again on Saturday morning, the first flight of that day too, and successfully got his L3.?Peak altitude was the same in both flights, at just under 15k ft. Congrats to Randy! ? For my Triple Threat 3-stage N-N-M project things weren't so smooth. Because my planned burn-time was 16 seconds, I was one of three lucky flyers to catch the attention of the FAA Brain Trust in Washington DC, just a few days before the launch, and their flight sim showed that I was in danger of breaking the 100k waiver. You would think it would be quite a stretch to get from my 75k simulation to their 100k, but as it turns out, it is just amazing how high your rocket can actually go if your Coefficient of Drag (Cd) is only 0.2!? Now, according to Rocksim my Cd is a measly 0.5 on the sustainer, and 0.8 for the big honking fins on the first booster, so I'm clearly an underachiever in reducing drag.?If I could achieve the superior Cd numbers that the FAA did, I could reach my 95k ft goal with only an H motor. Think of the possibilities! Think of the money savings! ? Anywho, the entire Tripoli BOD and the Balls launch director got into it, and on Wednesday the emails were flying all over the place, with me spending much of my time that day re-running simulations and emailing more and more data, instead of getting ready to leave, as planned. We left late, and I forgot a bunch of stuff, which was irritating, but we still had a good trip down to Nevada. ? Upon arriving at the launch site, I got the word that my 3-stage flight was officially nixed. So I spent the rest of Thursday and all day Friday figuring out whether and how to still fly 2-stage. Being designed for 3-stage minimum-diameter flight,?my rocket is complex, so it isn't easy to change its configuration on moment's notice and go through TRA BOD approval again.?To make it worse, we needed to leave the playa by 4pm on Saturday to get back home for some important stuff on Sunday. It would have been relatively easy to?fly it as a 3-stage boosted-dart on the same 1st and 2nd booster motors, but that isn't very interesting for me (essentially that's what I already did in 2006 at XPRS), and plus it would waste $1700 worth of propellant that I would just "have to" buy again next year. So I was leaning toward being a spectator on Saturday. However, at 9:30 pm?I got a call from Mark Clark (the Balls launch director) on Gabe's sat-phone that I had the green light to fly my original N4000 to N2000 to M1400 configuration. ? After that, it was off to the races to do a full day's worth of rocket prep on Saturday morning. I had planned to fly it first thing on Saturday morning, so that I would have the rest of the day to find my sustainer and enjoy watching the other projects. Instead I spent Saturday building my motors, assembling the recovery system, overcoming the usual last-minute glitches, etc. and finally had the rocket on the pad at 4:30, already past our 4:00 planned time to leave the launch. After waiting for Fred and the Hardtail team to push the button on their 2-stage Nike project loaded up next door on John Lyngdal's tower (unfortunately it was a really impressive CATO, due to a motor casing failure at the snap ring groove), I climbed the tower to arm all the electronics at T-minus-15 minutes before the 5pm close of the 100k ft waiver. After flipping on switches I discovered that the DG Control was reporting an open circuit in one of the pyro channels. No matter how many times I tried arming the DGC, it still said the same thing. With only 10 minutes left in the waiver, I knew I was sunk for the day, and sunk for the launch. So with great regret I scrubbed the mission. ? Upon pulling the rocket apart back at camp I discovered a break in the 8-conductor tape wire in the sustainer fin can, where it goes past the motor's aft closure. Two of these circuits control staging separation (primary and backup), one ignites the motor, and the last one reports separation status to the Beeline GPS transmitter. I found a break in the motor ignition circuit and in the primary staging circuit, so the flight was definitely hosed. If I had found this problem first thing Saturday morning, as planned (before the FAA got involved and "added value"), I could have fixed it and still flown by mid-morning, but with only 10 minutes left in the waiver I was out of luck. So we packed it up and headed home. ? I do have to say that the Tripoli BOD and the Balls launch organizers really tried hard to remedy a situation that was beyond their control and sprung on us late in the game, and they put in a lot of time trying to straighten it out. They really earned their "pay" on this one (i.e. lots of work for no money), and I was impressed that they didn't just say "oh well", and blow it off. My hat's off to them. I hope they can help educate the new guys down at the FAA, and get the TRA 60-sec burn-time agreement documented so we don't have to go through this again in the future. I also really appreciated Kimberly Harms loaning me the Jumbo launch pad and the Team Hardtail guys for hauling it down there?and back for me. Fred and Mikey and the gang were great too, for loaning me nuts and bolts and misc stuff to try to get a 2-stage flight to happen. ? I'm going to give it another try next year. But it better fly then, cuz I'm getting tired of driving all the way to Black Rock?only to spend the time all stressed-out solving more problems! The work-to-fun ratio was definitely out of whack this year. ? --- Adrian From stefan_jones at comcast.net Mon Sep 29 12:37:33 2008 From: stefan_jones at comcast.net (stefan_jones at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:37:33 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Falcon 1 reaches orbit Message-ID: <092920081937.13726.48E12E7D000F08260000359E22058861729C0A020106A1020E000A9B9C@comcast.net> "Now.. Can they repeat with a real payload?" I know! A Grade A large hen's egg, mounted sideways. -- http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "George L. Rachor Jr." > Nice to see the little guys have a success. I know they have been trying > pretty hard and have had some bad luck. > > Now.. Can they repeat with a real payload? > > George > > ========================================================= > George L. Rachor Jr. george at rachors.com > Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com > United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2008, Hammer wrote: > > > Video here: > > > > http://spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php?id=30 > > > > Robert > > > > Bryan Young wrote: > >> http://tinyurl.com/42pf4n http://tinyurl.com/42pf4n > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockets mailing list > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From jim at jmw29221.com Mon Sep 29 16:11:55 2008 From: jim at jmw29221.com (Jim Wilkerson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] TRA L2 Tests - WAC October Launch Message-ID: <40267.130.76.32.181.1222729915.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Anyone desiring to take the TRA L2 test at WAC's October Mansfield launch (25th-26th)should let me know this week (off-list please), so that I can arrange to have the tests there. Once again, let me know off-list. Regards Jim From daron at daronjohnson.com Mon Sep 29 15:24:07 2008 From: daron at daronjohnson.com (Daron Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:24:07 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Paging Mark Lyons Message-ID: <003f01c92282$188fcd20$49af6760$@com> Please contact me off list. -D -------------- next part -------------- Please contact me off list. ? -D From martyweiser at ccser.com Mon Sep 29 17:42:21 2008 From: martyweiser at ccser.com (Marty Weiser) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:42:21 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Dawg Pack BALLS 17 Report Message-ID: <96026F5C802144CF89887277D981D23E@WeiserAdminPC> Seven members of the Rocket Dawgs including three Black Rock virgins made the trek to BALLS 17. We packed up into the Upgrade, Expansion Pack, and Subby on Wednesday 9/24/08 and left Spokane just after noon - three hours earlier than last year. We pulled over along Oregon 31 for the night (seven Dawgs in one Upgrade aka The Den) and got back on the road in the morning. The early start and quick route along 31 got us on the Playa about noon on Thursday with plenty of time to convert the pile that disgorged from the vehicles into a camp. We were joined around 5 pm after the only significant wind of the weekend by four more members of the Jopson clan, who flew in from Etna, CA. It also gave Mark plenty of time to finish dinner preparation of the wet burritos which were shared with several neighbors. After the first of three breakfast buffets prepared by the Jopson clan, the first order of business on Friday was for the newest Pack member, Mark Howe, to get his TRA L2 (after 9 years as a NAR L1) so that he could upgrade his status from chef supreme to research flyer. After acing his test, he prepped his LOC Expediter for flight on a J350. After a perfect boost the recovery system deployed right on top, but unfortunately the tape he had applied to an unruly chute while packing kept it from opening and resulted in a cracked fin upon landing. Undaunted, he glued the fin back on, loaded another J350 and nailed the next flight so the newest TAP, Bob Yanecek, could sign the three-part form. Bob then flew a Loki K350 in his Dual 54 to 17,800 ft. to cap our commercial flights. While the rest of us prepped for our research flights and set up the two towers, Bob took a 45 minute flight in the Jopson plane with AJ Alcocer to look for Tony's rocket from last year. Mark relaxed and did the final prep of the Cajun Shrimp Linguine that once again was shared in a neighborly potluck with Jim Wilkeron's Chili and Andy Casillas' fresh corn for a full spread to a full house. Ray got us started Saturday with a two grain 54 mm Malamute J250 in his Neostar 2 to 3900 ft. with a moderately long recovery. After several years of preaching the virtues of tower launching, most of the Pack and quite a few others found religion so there was a line of converts seeking maximum altitude as prophesized by Bob. Bob started the line with the M rung of his Alphabet Ladder Project using a six grain 75 mm Malamute M1950 which shredded at several hundred feet as the fins peeled off. The electronics and case survived unscathed. After the flight he asked Kent Newman if this was what he was thinking about when he had questioned the fin design at a flight earlier in the year. Mike Fisher flew next out of the tower and had a spectacular CATO as he pushed into new motor design territory. This was the second of eight straight problem flights from the towers - so much for the prophecy. Rob and Jim Jopson teamed up to fly their 54 mm Malamute K590 out of tower two. The thrust ring snagged on a joint in the rail and they only got 3000 ft. after a fair bit of sky writing. Marty was up next on the Pack's first 98 mm - a five grain N2650 in Lucky Man II. The boost started great but the motor soon CATOed by spiting the nozzle and flaring the aft end of the case. The nose cone and front 40" of the case survived and there is a chance the electronics can be repaired, but the airframe came down in little pieces. Lou flew Hobgoblin on a nine grain 54 mm Malamute L1275 to 14,154 ft., but the fin can came untied during descent and came in ballistic. This resulted in destruction of the fin can and some damage to the front of the case which was repaired on site well enough for a flight on Sunday. Ray flew the Neostar 2 on a four grain 54 mm Malamute K500 to 9700 ft. Marty then flew his Go Bucks III on a seven grain 54 mm Malamute L1000 which kicked badly out of the tower and only reached 7200 ft. instead of the projected 15,000 ft. It was recovered a couple of miles down range with no damage in spite of what was most likely a high speed deployment. After fixing the rail joint, Rob and Jim flew a six grain 54 mm Malamute K790 to 14,600 ft. for a personal best altitude. In the evening Mark grilled up some dry rubbed London broils (two flavors) along with baked potatoes - luckily no one's fingers were severed as they grabbed at pieces of meat as soon as they were cut. On Sunday Ray flew his Fresh Paint 1.5 with a fin can built on Tuesday before we left and some fresh paint including a neighborly Team NUMB stencil. He flew on a 6 grain 75 mm Malamute M1950 to 18,600 to claim highest altitude from the Pack, but who is keeping track. Lou flew Skelator on an eight grain 54 mm Malamute L1100 with 3" of smoke in the repaired case. We got to follow the smoke trail through about half of the descent under drogue. Rob and Jim were up next with a 10 grain 38 mm Malamute J666 with 2" of smoke which burned out during coast to 11,900 ft. This was about 200 ft. higher than they got in Mansfield, WA on the same motor without the smoke, thus showing the benefits of launching from higher base altitude. Marty once again had the last Pack flight using a 9 grain 38 mm Malamute J580 with smoke in Beat Stanford III. The flight was to 10,700 ft and came in under drogue when the main charge was not enough to push out the main so a couple of fins were cracked. We packed up and got off the Playa at 1:30 pm - over 2 hours ahead of last year. The weather was spectacular - attributed to the Pack's three BALLS virgins. After a stop at the Burger Queen in Lakeview for dinner we spent the night in Albertson's parking lot in Redmond - a smellier Pack than the first night in The Den, but luckily not a wet and even smellier Dawg Pack. On the long drive home we have already made plans for BALLS 18 - some to push the envelope a bit further, others to fix this year's problems. However, before that we have a launch in Mansfield to prepare for in just under four weeks before the long winter where all we can do is dream, build, mix, and test new propellant. We would like to thank the BALLS organizers from AHPRA and XRAA for a very well run event. It was also great hang out with our friends from the NW and elsewhere along with making new friends. Martymutt, Rayhound, Bobdawg, Robopup, Robopop, Loubador, and Howe-n-dawg From fred at azinger.com Mon Sep 29 22:51:56 2008 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:51:56 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Balls-17 Message-ID: <083801c922c0$a586a620$f093f260$@com> Back from Balls. Best weather ever! Not the best flying. Team Hardtail?s new ? Scale Nike Apache Wallops Island had t little trouble .see the photo uploaded to NW rocketry. That was the first motor case I ever machined ? looks like I cut the snap ring too deep .. Bummer. It will be back next year -------------- next part -------------- Back from Balls. Best weather ever! Not the best flying. Team Hardtail???s new ?? Scale Nike Apache Wallops Island had t little trouble???.see the photo uploaded to NW rocketry. That was the first motor case I ever machined ??? looks like I cut the snap ring too deep???.. Bummer. It will be back next year?????? From sb at berfield.com Tue Sep 30 09:01:41 2008 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:01:41 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Falcon 1 reaches orbit Message-ID: That is awesome. Watching the engine start to glow fomr the heat is pretty cool. Thrilled to start seeing commercial operations getting going in space. -----Original Message----- From: Hammer [mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 10:05 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Falcon 1 reaches orbit Video here: http://spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php?id=30 Robert Bryan Young wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/42pf4n http://tinyurl.com/42pf4n > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- That is awesome.?Watching the engine start to glow fomr the heat is pretty cool. Thrilled to start seeing commercial operations getting going in space.? -----Original Message----- From: Hammer [mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 10:05 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Falcon 1 reaches orbit Video here: http://spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php?id=30 Robert Bryan Young wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/42pf4n http://tinyurl.com/42pf4n > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From sb at berfield.com Tue Sep 30 09:22:06 2008 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:22:06 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Balls-17 Message-ID: Hmmm... cut it too deep -- you think? :) Well live and learn. Also, thanks a ton for meeting up with us to hand off that altimeter for XPRS. Unfortunately it didn't survive its 300MPH impact with the Playa. http://picasaweb.google.com/sberfield/XPRS2008#5251849205209945202 Scott -----Original Message----- From: Fred Azinger [mailto:fred at azinger.com] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 10:51 PM To: ''NW Rocketry mailing list'' Subject: [RocketsNW] Balls-17 Back from Balls. Best weather ever! Not the best flying. Team Hardtail?s new ? Scale Nike Apache Wallops Island had t little trouble .see the photo uploaded to NW rocketry. That was the first motor case I ever machined ? looks like I cut the snap ring too deep .. Bummer. It will be back next year -------------- next part -------------- Hmmm... cut it too deep -- you think? :) ? Well live and learn. ? Also, thanks a ton for meeting up with us to hand off that altimeter for XPRS. Unfortunately it didn't survive its 300MPH impact with the Playa. http://picasaweb.google.com/sberfield/XPRS2008#5251849205209945202 http://picasaweb.google.com/sberfield/XPRS2008#5251849205209945202 ? ? Scott -----Original Message----- From: Fred Azinger [mailto:fred at azinger.com] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 10:51 PM To: ''NW Rocketry mailing list'' Subject: [RocketsNW] Balls-17 Back from Balls. Best weather ever! Not the best flying. Team Hardtail?s new ? Scale Nike Apache Wallops Island had t little trouble .see the photo uploaded to NW rocketry. That was the first motor case I ever machined ? looks like I cut the snap ring too deep .. Bummer. It will be back next year