From fred.azinger at intel.com Fri Oct 3 10:10:25 2008 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:10:25 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: RE; THE OCTOBER EVENT AT BROTHERS Message-ID: <509223F0BF55E74FA1247D17207E7A0C03835E35@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> Any TRA TAPs or Prefects planning to attend OROC's RocketOber? Both Greg and I are likely to miss. There are people looking to do certs..... From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 17:21:17 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:21:17 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Reminder: OregonRocketry is hosting Rocketober Launch Event October 10th - 12th Message-ID: <007301c925b7$210c58f0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> OregonRocketry Launch Event Rocketober October 10th - 12th Join us for the last OregonRocketry launch event of 2008 in Brothers Oregon. Research motor launch (EX) will be held on Friday October 10th. Commercial launch will be held on Saturday and Sunday, October 11th and 12th. This is a fun and exciting launch because of this being the last major OregonRocketry launch of the year. Members with leftover motors often make every attempt to fly them during this event so they are not stored through the winter. And those that have the great joy of flying rockets, this is our last major club launch till May 2009. Gotta fly... ;-) Mark Gholston will be hauling the trailer, arriving Friday afternoon. Thank you. We will need volunteers to help with setup and teardown of the GSE at this event. Those planning to be there Friday afternoon and can help with setup, please do. Those planning to be there Sunday afternoon to help with teardown, please do. We thank you all for the assistance. We will have a vendor on site, Bill @ PSP will be there, and we thank Bill for attending. You will need a LEUP or LEUP buddy to purchase restricted motors. On site we will be asking for LCO and RSO volunteers. LCO sharing will certainly be happening. This is to ensure that all our members, including the BoD, have an opportunity to fly some rockets. Our RSD (Range Safety Director) might be at this event. RSO needs will be as needed, and called via the PA system. Brothers is a great launch site, one of the best in the nation. Normal commercial launch waiver cleared to 18.5K feet AGL with call in extensions to 35K feet AGL. Research flights on Friday can fly to 75% of the 18.5K feet waiver. If on Friday you have a research (EX) launch that will exceed 13.9K feet, please ask the launch director to have the extended waiver arranged. Research Motors: L+ research motors must NOT be flown from the regular (300 ft) HP pads and M+ research motors most be flown from farther away than the usual Quadzilla location, which is at 500 ft. I would prefer that research Ms be flown from the little hill where the house used to be or maybe the old "away" area NW of the campsite, which is probably about 1000 ft. Commercial Motors: For commercial motors, Ms need to be launched from 500 ft; complex Ms or Ns need to be farther. Flight needs to go from the hill if total impulse is over 10240, can go from the "away" area if under that. A PDF of the code is at the following link. The meat of it is in chapter 9. Research safety code: http://www.tripoli.org/documents/ResearchSafetyCode200602.pdf and Regular HP safety code: http://www.tripoli.org/documents/safety_code.shtml Questions about flights, motor sizes, safe launch distances, complex projects, etc - please ask your Safety Director and/or Launch Director. LD; Randy Birzer - randybirzer at comcast.net SD; JP Roberts - jpr602 at mac.com Great site for night launches, happening Saturday from dusk till 10:00pm. Weather is on the change, and you'll need to prepare for cool if not cold evenings. If you enjoy chatting at the community fire pit on Friday and Saturday nights, consider bringing a bundle of wood or two to contribute to the fire. Many enjoy the conversation and relaxing times at the community fire talking with old friends and meeting new friends, we ask that you consider contributing. Last launch of the year for OregonRocketry, but also within a couple weeks of Halloween. Consider bringing something for the kids, an early trick or treat. Also, glow sticks are great fun. Not required in any way. Just some ideas. More details at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-mtg.htm. Have a great time everyone. I cannot make this launch. But expect to see your launch reports and pictures soon after the event. Cheers, Robert Proud member of OregonRocketry -------------- next part -------------- OregonRocketry Launch Event Rocketober October 10th - 12th Join us for the last OregonRocketry launch event of 2008 in Brothers Oregon. Research motor launch (EX) will be held on Friday October 10th. Commercial launch will be held on Saturday and Sunday, October 11th and 12th. This is a fun and exciting launch because of this being the last major OregonRocketry launch of the year. Members with leftover motors often make every attempt to fly them during this event so they are not stored through the winter. And those that have the great joy of flying rockets, this is our last major club launch till May 2009. Gotta fly... ;-) Mark Gholston?will be hauling the trailer, arriving Friday afternoon. Thank you. We will need volunteers to help with setup and teardown of the GSE at this event. Those planning to be there Friday afternoon and can help with setup, please do. Those planning to be there Sunday afternoon to help with teardown, please do. We thank you all for the assistance.? We will have a vendor on site, Bill @ PSP will be there, and we thank Bill for attending. You will need a LEUP or LEUP buddy to purchase restricted motors. On site we will be asking for LCO and RSO volunteers. LCO sharing will certainly be happening. This is to ensure that all our members, including the BoD, have an opportunity to fly some rockets. Our RSD (Range Safety Director) might be at this event. RSO needs will be as needed, and called via the PA system. Brothers is a great launch site, one of the best in the nation. Normal commercial launch waiver cleared to 18.5K feet AGL with call in extensions to 35K feet AGL. Research flights on Friday can fly to 75% of the 18.5K feet waiver. If on Friday you have a research (EX) launch that will exceed 13.9K feet, please ask the launch director to have the extended waiver arranged. Research Motors:?L+ research motors must NOT be?flown from the regular (300 ft) HP pads and M+ research motors most be flown from farther away than the usual Quadzilla location,?which is at 500 ft. I would prefer that research Ms be flown from the?little hill where the house used to be or maybe the old "away" area NW?of the campsite, which is probably about 1000 ft. Commercial Motors: For commercial motors, Ms need to be launched from 500 ft; complex Ms?or Ns need to be farther.?Flight needs to go from the hill if total impulse is? over 10240, can go from the "away" area if under that. A PDF of the code is at the following link. The meat of it is in? chapter 9. Research safety code: http://www.tripoli.org/documents/ResearchSafetyCode200602.pdf ? and Regular HP safety code: http://www.tripoli.org/documents/safety_code. shtml Questions about flights, motor sizes, safe launch distances, complex projects, etc - please ask your Safety Director and/or Launch Director. LD; Randy Birzer - mailto:randybirzer at comcast.net randybirzer at comcast.net SD; JP Roberts - mailto:jpr602 at mac.com jpr602 at mac.com Great site for night launches, happening Saturday from dusk till 10:00pm. Weather is on the change, and you'll need to prepare for cool if not cold evenings. If you enjoy chatting at the community fire pit on Friday and Saturday nights, consider bringing a bundle of wood or two to contribute to the fire. Many enjoy the conversation and relaxing times at the community fire talking with old friends and meeting new friends, we ask that you consider contributing. Last launch of the year for OregonRocketry, but also within a couple weeks of Halloween. Consider bringing something for the kids, an early?trick or treat. Also, glow sticks are great fun. Not required in any way. Just some ideas. More details at http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-mtg.htm http://www.oregonrocketry.com/cal/cal-mtg.htm . Have a great time everyone. I cannot make this launch. But expect to see your launch reports and pictures soon after the event. Cheers, Robert Proud member of OregonRocketry ? From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Fri Oct 3 17:23:54 2008 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:23:54 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] October Brothers Launch Reminder!!! Message-ID: Greetings all, Remember, Sunriver Nature Center will not be attending the rocket launch at Brothers. IF you have a need for motors, you have two options. High Power Motors can be ordered through Bill at PSP, he has stock, and what he does not have, he will be getting from us BEFORE the launch. GET YOUR ORDERS IN BY THIS SUNDAY. Hobby motors. We can ship hobby motors to you, including Estes stuff. I know PSP has a good selection of hobby motors too. Sorry we are going to miss you. Enjoy, Bob From absworld at cet.com Fri Oct 3 17:53:53 2008 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob and Ann Yanecek) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:53:53 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Alphabet Ladder Project Summary Message-ID: <010201c925bb$acc82640$461ecac6@CADDANCE> After successfully flying my Dual-75 rocket on a 7%M-1200 last year at BALLS I came upon the idea of flying the Alphabet from A through M-impulse over the course of the 2008 season. Several folks invented their own Alphabet Ladder Projects this year. Mark Lyons: ?Monkey Style? (no particular order). Ray Stoner: Each rung flown in a different airframe where total impulse defined the rungs thus allowing clusters. Marty Weiser: Alpha?s only. My personal goal was to fly sequentially through the Alphabet in minimum diameter fiberglass airframes. My quest began in March at the Blue Mountain Rocketeers (HYPERLINK "http://www.bmr615.org/"http://www.bmr615.org/) ?Spring Fling? launch. I decided to go with an 18mm airframe for A-C impulse and quickly learned(remembered) how small 18mm is when packing a parachute. With a pad weight of 89 grams the A8-3 motor pushed the rocket to a simulated 90? yet still managed to get the chute out and open before touchdown. I selected a B6-4 next. After several igniter issues, I finally got the motor lit and the rocket boosted to a simulated 309?. The final push for the 18mm airframe was via C6-7 resulting in a good flight to a simulated altitude of 878? putting me up to a total of 1,277? for the first 3 rungs of my project. I next pulled out my 24mm rocket and loaded up a D12-7. The pad weight of 147 grams was a tad heavy (should have used the 5 sec delay) resulting in a late high speed deployment of the parachute and tangled recovery. As I walked out to recover the rocket I stumbled across the motor which had spit out and disqualified the attempt. I reloaded another D12-7 (no 5 sec delays in my range box) and succeeded with a good boost and successful high speed deployment. I had to wait 3 weeks before attempting the E-rung at SPARC?s April launch (HYPERLINK "http://sparc.rocketclub.org/"http://sparc.rocketclub.org/). I loaded up an E9-8 and opted to stick with a parachute instead of a streamer. The rocket managed to hang itself in a tree which took all day to retrieve thus eliminating my plans of additional rungs that day. Another 3 weeks passed before I could attempt the F-rung at WAC?s Mansfield launch (HYPERLINK "http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/"http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/ ) in early May. This represented my first reloadable motor (F12-5) and the 5 second delay was woefully short for the 173 gram rocket (pad weight). Deployment occurred at high speed but the chute hung together and recovery was nominal. This concluded my 24mm efforts and had me up to a simulated 7,401? on my ladder. Next up was 29mm where I had planned to incorporate an avionics bay and electronic deployment along with measured vs simulated altitude. I had two different 29mm airframes with MAWD?s located just behind the N/C and relying on dual deployment with just one break of the airframe at the fin can/BT joint. Theory was that the apogee charge would separate the airframe but not pull out the main which was supposed to get pushed out when the main charge fired. In addition to electronics I also included a Walston tracking transmitter. Multiple design flaws quickly had me regretting the fact that I built two of these 29mm airframes. With the avionics bay just behind the N/C, the rocket was way over stable. Couple that with the Walston sitting beside the 9VDC battery which caused a significant radial offset CG and the rocket experienced extreme coning during ascent. Everything held together, the main stayed in at apogee and was ejected when the main charge fired as designed, however the nylon chute also melted closed resulting in a high speed landing (79 ft/sec) which broke the airframe just behind the avionics bay thus disqualifying the attempt. Luckily, I had my motor eject GTV along with me which I loaded up with a G25-10 resulting in a good flight with nominal recovery. Since I already had a second (poorly designed) 29mm rocket with avionics behind the N/C, I decided to go ahead and attempt the H-rung via H-180. Again, boost was extremely squirrelly but the chute stayed in at apogee and again the chute melted closed when the main charge pushed it out. Luckily the rocket landed soft (still fast at 103 ft/sec) and undamaged so I decided to count the rung. Total flight time was 72 seconds. Future versions of the 29mm airframe will move the avionics bay back to just in front of the motor in an effort to bring the CG back closer to the CP and eliminate the coning problem. Fire In the Sky (FITS) found me back at Mansfield to continue climbing my ladder. I was now up to 17,895? and flying 38mm airframes. I selected an I-284 for the I-rung resulting in a clean boost. The rocket was dual deploy going drogue-less at apogee then a 36? parachute for main deployment. Apogee was at 21 seconds into the flight and then at 91 seconds the main wiggled out. Total flight time was 317 seconds and post flight inspection revealed signs that the fin can had impacted the upper airframe which I suspect knocked the main parachute out. The J-rung provided me my first opportunity to fly a research motor so I went with a DAWG pack MAL 4%J356 resulting in a good flight to 8,650?. While I had a 54mm rocket under construction, it wasn?t ready to fly by the next launch opportunity (June Mansfield launch) so I opted to go straight to 75mm and an AMW K365 push. The flight was nominal to 9,202? and 248 seconds time of flight. Descent under drogue was 58 ft/sec and a comfortable 17 ft/sec under main. Six weeks later and I was back at Mansfield to attempt the L-rung of my project. For this flight I selected a DAWG pack 3G75 MAL 66%L905. Due to an errant piece of duct tape on my tower which managed to catch the aft thrust ring, the rocket kicked as it exited the tower resulting in a fair downrange trajectory. Recovery was nominal though post flight inspection revealed the motor case had burned through between the first two grains of the motor. Fortunately the burn through occurred late enough that there was just a small black burn mark on the inside of the fin can extension. A very close call resulting in a decision to open up the nozzle a tad in an effort to reduce internal pressure/temp for future motors in this configuration. Late September found me back at Black Rock and AHPRA?s annual BALLS launch (HYPERLINK "http://www.balls17.com/"http://www.balls17.com/). Since I had succeeding with a 4G75 6%M1200 last year, I decided to skip the 5 grain configuration and jump to a DAWG pack 6G75 MAL 50%M1950. The rocket weighed 22 lbs 6.0 oz in the tower and while the motor performed nominally, the rocket was not up to that kind of push. A little over 2 seconds into the boost the fins began to flutter followed immediately by airframe destruction (it looked as if the rocket hit a wall). Post flight inspection revealed all 3 fins stripped and the airframe buckled just behind the avionics bay. The N/C, avionics bay, fin can extension, and motor hardware were recovered undamaged. The same cannot be said for my ego :-(. I?m now studying fin design/construction techniques with plans to re-attempt the M-rung next year. All in all this was a great project that kept me busy and engaged at all levels of the hobby . I managed to tally a total of 63,292? up through the L-rung of my project, learned a lot and had tons of fun. Fun is GOOD! Bob Yanecek No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1705 - Release Date: 10/3/2008 8:18 AM -------------- next part -------------- After successfully flying my Dual-75 rocket on a 7%M-1200 last year at BALLS I came upon the idea of flying the Alphabet from A through M-impulse over the course of the 2008 season. Several folks invented their own Alphabet Ladder Projects this year. Mark Lyons: ?Monkey Style? (no particular order). Ray Stoner: Each rung flown in a different airframe where total impulse defined the rungs thus allowing clusters. Marty Weiser : Alpha?s only. ? My personal goal was to fly sequentially through the Alphabet in minimum diameter fiberglass airframes. ? My quest began in March at the Blue Mountain Rocketeers ( http://www.bmr615.org/ http://www.bmr615.org/ ) ?Spring Fling? launch. I decided to go with an 18mm airframe for A-C impulse and quickly learned( remembered) how small 18mm is when packing a parachute. With a pad weight of 89 grams the A8-3 motor pushed the rocket to a simulated 90? yet still managed to get the chute out and open before touchdown. I selected a B6-4 next. ? After several igniter issues, I finally got the motor lit and the rocket boosted to a simulated 309?. The final push for the 18mm airframe was via C6-7 resulting in a good flight to a simulated altitude of 878? putting me up to a total of 1,277? for the first 3 rungs of my project. ? I next pulled out my 24mm rocket and loaded up a D12-7. ? The pad weight of 147 grams was a tad heavy (should have used the 5 sec delay) resulting in a late high speed deployment of the parachute and tangled recovery. ? As I walked out to recover the rocket I stumbled across the motor which had spit out and disqualified the attempt. ? I reloaded another D12-7 (no 5 sec delays in my range box) and succeeded with a good boost and successful high speed deployment. ? I had to wait 3 weeks before attempting the E-rung at SPARC?s April launch ( http://sparc.rocketclub.org/ http://sparc.rocketclub.org/ ). I loaded up an E9-8 and opted to stick with a parachute instead of a streamer. ? The rocket managed to hang itself in a tree which took all day to retrieve thus eliminating my plans of additional rungs that day. ? Another 3 weeks passed before I could attempt the F-rung at WAC?s Mansfield launch ( http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/ http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/ ) in early May. This represented my first reloadable motor (F12-5) and the 5 second delay was woefully short for the 173 gram rocket (pad weight). ? Deployment occurred at high speed but the chute hung together and recovery was nominal. This concluded my 24mm efforts and had me up to a simulated 7,401? on my ladder. ? Next up was 29mm where I had planned to incorporate an avionics bay and electronic deployment along with measured vs simulated altitude. I had two different 29mm airframes with MAWD?s located just behind the N/C and relying on dual deployment with just one break of the airframe at the fin can/BT joint. ? Theory was that the apogee charge would separate the airframe but not pull out the main which was supposed to get pushed out when the main charge fired. In addition to electronics I also included a Walston tracking transmitter. ? Multiple design flaws quickly had me regretting the fact that I built two of these 29mm airframes. With the avionics bay just behind the N/C, the rocket was way over stable. ? Couple that with the Walston sitting beside the 9VDC battery which caused a significant radial offset CG and the rocket experienced extreme coning during ascent. ? Everything held together, the main stayed in at apogee and was ejected when the main charge fired as designed, however the nylon chute also melted closed resulting in a high speed landing (79 ft/sec) which broke the airframe just behind the avionics bay thus disqualifying the attempt. ? Luckily, I had my motor eject GTV along with me which I loaded up with a G25-10 resulting in a good flight with nominal recovery. Since I already had a second (poorly designed) 29mm rocket with avionics behind the N/C, I decided to go ahead and attempt the H-rung via H-180. Again, boost was extremely squirrelly but the chute stayed in at apogee and again the chute melted closed when the main charge pushed it out. ? Luckily the rocket landed soft (still fast at 103 ft/sec) and undamaged so I decided to count the rung. ? Total flight time was 72 seconds. ? Future versions of the 29mm airframe will move the avionics bay back to just in front of the motor in an effort to bring the CG back closer to the CP and eliminate the coning problem. ? Fire In the Sky (FITS) found me back at Mansfield to continue climbing my ladder. ? I was now up to 17,895? and flying 38mm airframes. I selected an I-284 for the I-rung resulting in a clean boost. ? The rocket was dual deploy going drogue-less at apogee then a 36? parachute for main deployment. Apogee was at 21 seconds into the flight and then at 91 seconds the main wiggled out. ? Total flight time was 317 seconds and post flight inspection revealed signs that the fin can had impacted the upper airframe which I suspect knocked the main parachute out. ? The J-rung provided me my first opportunity to fly a research motor so I went with a DAWG pack MAL 4%J356 resulting in a good flight to 8,650?. ? While I had a 54mm rocket under construction, it wasn?t ready to fly by the next launch opportunity (June Mansfield launch) so I opted to go straight to 75mm and an AMW K365 push. The flight was nominal to 9,202? and 248 seconds time of flight. ? Descent under drogue was 58 ft/sec and a comfortable 17 ft/sec under main. ? Six weeks later and I was back at Mansfield to attempt the L-rung of my project. ? For this flight I selected a DAWG pack 3G75 MAL 66%L905. ? Due to an errant piece of duct tape on my tower which managed to catch the aft thrust ring, the rocket kicked as it exited the tower resulting in a fair downrange trajectory. ? Recovery was nominal though post flight inspection revealed the motor case had burned through between the first two grains of the motor. Fortunately the burn through occurred late enough that there was just a small black burn mark on the inside of the fin can extension. ? A very close call resulting in a decision to open up the nozzle a tad in an effort to reduce internal pressure/temp for future motors in this configuration. ? Late September found me back at Black Rock and AHPRA?s annual BALLS launch ( http://www.balls17.com/ http://www.balls17.com/ ). Since I had succeeding with a 4G75 6%M1200 last year, I decided to skip the 5 grain configuration and jump to a DAWG pack 6G75 MAL 50%M1950. ? The rocket weighed 22 lbs 6.0 oz in the tower and while the motor performed nominally, the rocket was not up to that kind of push. ? A little over 2 seconds into the boost the fins began to flutter followed immediately by airframe destruction (it looked as if the rocket hit a wall). ? Post flight inspection revealed all 3 fins stripped and the airframe buckled just behind the avionics bay. ? The N/C, avionics bay, fin can extension, and motor hardware were recovered undamaged. ? The same cannot be said for my ego L . I?m now studying fin design/construction techniques with plans to re-attempt the M-rung next year. ? All in all this was a great project that kept me busy and engaged at all levels of the hobby . I managed to tally a total of 63,292? up through the L-rung of my project, learned a lot and had tons of fun. Fun is GOOD! ? Bob Yanecek ? ? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1705 - Release Date: 10/3/2008 8:18 AM From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 19:21:12 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:21:12 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day Message-ID: <00a401c925c7$e114b4c0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both Randy and I. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. ? If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both Randy and I. ? Cheers, Robert From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Fri Oct 3 19:53:54 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Balls17 personal launch report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1482.208.100.241.42.1223088834.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Heh heh. I usually figure a Cd of 0.8 to 1.1 for most of my rockets. Underachiever in Cd reduction indeed! Last year I tried to match actual altitude records to Cd estimates in the approximate Fehskins-Malewicki equations. Kept getting Cd numbers under 0.08.....that pretty much told me that the approximate equations were, uh, approximate. ;-) At least now you know what the FAA newbie bunch think Cd should be on NASA rockets. Now we just have to make them understand that hobby rockets aren't polished to perfection. Except mine, of course: All those bugs stuck in the paint, hey, they're "precisely positioned surface turbulent flow layer inducers." Oh, and make sure the FAA newbies know we don't use "NASA micro-fins" either. LOL +McG+ (Apologies to Dave Proffitt) > Balls17 was a mixed-bag for me this year --- great in some ways, very > disappointing in others. > ? > It was my 6th launch on?the Black Rock playa, and my first trip to Balls. > The weather was the best I have seen down there: Thursday afternoon was > windy when we arrived, but Friday and Saturday were spectacularly > beautiful.... moderate temperature, plenty of sun, and no wind, dust > storms, or ice in the morning. There were lots of really impressive > projects there, including an all aluminum hybrid rocket with a 14.9 sec > burn time and something like P (?) impulse. There a large number of flight > failures, mostly CATO's, and some of them were quite spectacular. Oregon > was well-represented, and there were many flyers from all over the US and > other parts of the world. Vending was great (What's-Up Rocketry was > well-stocked and really customer-oriented). I got a kick out of the cannon > on Saturday evening --- it was firing 12-lb bowling balls stuffed with > what appeared to be red propellant. > ? > My flying buddy, Randy Steck, got his L3 cert done, flying his 4" dia > "Cinqieme" rocket (it means 5th, in French, as in fifth rocket). He was > first guy to fly at the launch on Friday, just before noon, on an M1315, > and he had a nice straight boost, but his main chute came out at apogee, > so the cert wasn't quite there.?Not to be deterred, he fixed the problem, > bought another reload and flew it again on Saturday morning, the first > flight of that day too, and successfully got his L3.?Peak altitude was the > same in both flights, at just under 15k ft. Congrats to Randy! > ? > For my Triple Threat 3-stage N-N-M project things weren't so smooth. > Because my planned burn-time was 16 seconds, I was one of three lucky > flyers to catch the attention of the FAA Brain Trust in Washington DC, > just a few days before the launch, and their flight sim showed that I was > in danger of breaking the 100k waiver. You would think it would be quite a > stretch to get from my 75k simulation to their 100k, but as it turns out, > it is just amazing how high your rocket can actually go if your > Coefficient of Drag (Cd) is only 0.2!? Now, according to Rocksim my Cd is > a measly 0.5 on the sustainer, and 0.8 for the big honking fins on the > first booster, so I'm clearly an underachiever in reducing drag.?If I > could achieve the superior Cd numbers that the FAA did, I could reach my > 95k ft goal with only an H motor. Think of the possibilities! Think of the > money savings! > ? > Anywho, the entire Tripoli BOD and the Balls launch director got into it, > and on Wednesday the emails were flying all over the place, with me > spending much of my time that day re-running simulations and emailing more > and more data, instead of getting ready to leave, as planned. We left > late, and I forgot a bunch of stuff, which was irritating, but we still > had a good trip down to Nevada. > ? > Upon arriving at the launch site, I got the word that my 3-stage flight > was officially nixed. So I spent the rest of Thursday and all day Friday > figuring out whether and how to still fly 2-stage. Being designed for > 3-stage minimum-diameter flight,?my rocket is complex, so it isn't easy to > change its configuration on moment's notice and go through TRA BOD > approval again.?To make it worse, we needed to leave the playa by 4pm on > Saturday to get back home for some important stuff on Sunday. It would > have been relatively easy to?fly it as a 3-stage boosted-dart on the same > 1st and 2nd booster motors, but that isn't very interesting for me > (essentially that's what I already did in 2006 at XPRS), and plus it would > waste $1700 worth of propellant that I would just "have to" buy again next > year. So I was leaning toward being a spectator on Saturday. However, at > 9:30 pm?I got a call from Mark Clark (the Balls launch director) on Gabe's > sat-phone that I had the green light to fly my original N4000 to N2000 to > M1400 configuration. > ? > After that, it was off to the races to do a full day's worth of rocket > prep on Saturday morning. I had planned to fly it first thing on Saturday > morning, so that I would have the rest of the day to find my sustainer and > enjoy watching the other projects. Instead I spent Saturday building my > motors, assembling the recovery system, overcoming the usual last-minute > glitches, etc. and finally had the rocket on the pad at 4:30, already past > our 4:00 planned time to leave the launch. After waiting for Fred and the > Hardtail team to push the button on their 2-stage Nike project loaded up > next door on John Lyngdal's tower (unfortunately it was a really > impressive CATO, due to a motor casing failure at the snap ring groove), I > climbed the tower to arm all the electronics at T-minus-15 minutes before > the 5pm close of the 100k ft waiver. After flipping on switches I > discovered that the DG Control was reporting an open circuit in one of the > pyro channels. No matter how many times I tried arming the DGC, it still > said the same thing. With only 10 minutes left in the waiver, I knew I was > sunk for the day, and sunk for the launch. So with great regret I scrubbed > the mission. > ? > Upon pulling the rocket apart back at camp I discovered a break in the > 8-conductor tape wire in the sustainer fin can, where it goes past the > motor's aft closure. Two of these circuits control staging separation > (primary and backup), one ignites the motor, and the last one reports > separation status to the Beeline GPS transmitter. I found a break in the > motor ignition circuit and in the primary staging circuit, so the flight > was definitely hosed. If I had found this problem first thing Saturday > morning, as planned (before the FAA got involved and "added value"), I > could have fixed it and still flown by mid-morning, but with only 10 > minutes left in the waiver I was out of luck. So we packed it up and > headed home. > ? > I do have to say that the Tripoli BOD and the Balls launch organizers > really tried hard to remedy a situation that was beyond their control and > sprung on us late in the game, and they put in a lot of time trying to > straighten it out. They really earned their "pay" on this one (i.e. lots > of work for no money), and I was impressed that they didn't just say "oh > well", and blow it off. My hat's off to them. I hope they can help educate > the new guys down at the FAA, and get the TRA 60-sec burn-time agreement > documented so we don't have to go through this again in the future. I also > really appreciated Kimberly Harms loaning me the Jumbo launch pad and the > Team Hardtail guys for hauling it down there?and back for me. Fred and > Mikey and the gang were great too, for loaning me nuts and bolts and misc > stuff to try to get a 2-stage flight to happen. > ? > I'm going to give it another try next year. But it better fly then, cuz > I'm getting tired of driving all the way to Black Rock?only to spend the > time all stressed-out solving more problems! The work-to-fun ratio was > definitely out of whack this year. > ? > --- Adrian > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From martyweiser at ccser.com Fri Oct 3 20:50:55 2008 From: martyweiser at ccser.com (Marty Weiser) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:50:55 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning Message-ID: <79FD08A359FD4B968CA43112DFAE3B50@WeiserAdminPC> I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the hardware store. For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4" flap wheel (blue - med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some mechanics hand cleaner. For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5" fine grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the scotch brite flaps. Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner. I had previously used a 3" Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm. Now if I can only find a similar wheel for 38 mm I will be set. I am sure some folks have found these or similar products, but not all. Marty -------------- next part -------------- I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the hardware store. For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4??? flap wheel (blue ??? med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some mechanics hand cleaner. For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5??? fine grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the scotch brite flaps. Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner. I had previously used a 3??? Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm. Now if I can only find a similar wheel for 38 mm I will be set. I am sure some folks have found these or similar products, but not all. ? Marty From appusher at q.com Fri Oct 3 21:11:38 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 04:11:38 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] October Brothers Launch Reminder!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the reminder post, Bob. Just a few additional notes to touch on..... Pre-paid orders insure you'll get what you want. We can take credit card payment via PayPal or by your PayPal account. Sorry but we have to charge 3% for this service. Cash or check at the launch. You can mail a check for pre-orders that we receive by the thursday before the launch. hobby motors.... we have a pretty large inventory but it has a number of holes in it. We also have single use motors but these are limited. What ever LMS (Loadable Motor System, Single Use) we still have are 30% off retail. Make check payable to: PSP 3481 Victory Drive SW Port Orchard, WA 98367 Questions, comments, call 206.335.0196 Bill @ PSP Sales EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:23:54 -0700> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org> Subject: [RocketsNW] October Brothers Launch Reminder!!!> > Greetings all,> > Remember, Sunriver Nature Center will not be attending the rocket > launch at Brothers. IF you have a need for motors, you have two > options.> > High Power Motors can be ordered through Bill at PSP, he has stock, > and what he does not have, he will be getting from us BEFORE the > launch. GET YOUR ORDERS IN BY THIS SUNDAY.> > Hobby motors. We can ship hobby motors to you, including Estes stuff. > I know PSP has a good selection of hobby motors too.> > > Sorry we are going to miss you.> > Enjoy,> Bob> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- Thanks for the reminder post, Bob. ? Just? a few additional notes to touch on..... ? Pre-paid orders insure you'll get what you want. We can take credit card payment via PayPal or by your PayPal account.? Sorry but we have to charge 3% for this service. Cash or check at the launch. You can mail a check for pre-orders that we receive by the thursday before the launch. ? hobby motors.... we have a pretty large inventory but it has a number of holes in it.? We also have single use motors but these are limited.? What ever LMS (Loadable Motor System, Single Use)?we still have are 30% off retail. ? Make check payable to: ? PSP 3481 Victory Drive SW Port Orchard, WA 98367 ? Questions, comments, call 206.335.0196 ? Bill @ PSP Sales http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:23:54 -0700 > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org > Subject: [RocketsNW] October Brothers Launch Reminder!!! > > Greetings all, > > Remember, Sunriver Nature Center will not be attending the rocket > launch at Brothers. IF you have a need for motors, you have two > options. > > High Power Motors can be ordered through Bill at PSP, he has stock, > and what he does not have, he will be getting from us BEFORE the > launch. GET YOUR ORDERS IN BY THIS SUNDAY. > > Hobby motors. We can ship hobby motors to you, including Estes stuff. > I know PSP has a good selection of hobby motors too. > > > Sorry we are going to miss you. > > Enjoy, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Sat Oct 4 10:44:07 2008 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (Steve Cutonilli) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:44:07 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day In-Reply-To: <00a401c925c7$e114b4c0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <000001c92648$cdca2e50$c801a8c0@steve> I'm flying a 98mm EX motor on Friday to 15K AGL - this is a re-do flight (same motor same airframe) from August, so I kindly request a variance on the 75% hoop. The objective for me is to burn-up AP on Friday to mitigate storage woes off-season - uncommitted 75mm L1100 and 54mm K900 available to anyone attending Friday as TRA L2 - this is proven sxcBlu and not truly experimental. I'll be searching for several lost rockets from the August gig - Greg Clark, please send any GPS cords on the way-ward fin-can with my hardware my way. October in Brothers is typically comfortable weather and decent flying - hope y'all can make it. /Steve -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:21 PM To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both Randy and I. Cheers, Robert From bennightfam at hotmail.com Sat Oct 4 12:07:04 2008 From: bennightfam at hotmail.com (C Bennight) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:07:04 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day In-Reply-To: <000001c92648$cdca2e50$c801a8c0@steve> References: <00a401c925c7$e114b4c0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> <000001c92648$cdca2e50$c801a8c0@steve> Message-ID: Hi Everyone, My name is Mike and I'm kinda new at this. I have a Phobos PM rocket with a 38mm mount. I need to get a motor retainer of some kind. I built it with about 1/2" of the mount sticking out the back as suggested in the latest directions. If I could call and order one, it would be great. Thanks, MIke> From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com> To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:44:07 -0700> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day> > I'm flying a 98mm EX motor on Friday to 15K AGL - this is a re-do flight> (same motor same airframe) from August, so I kindly request a variance> on the 75% hoop.> > The objective for me is to burn-up AP on Friday to mitigate storage woes> off-season - uncommitted 75mm L1100 and 54mm K900 available to anyone> attending Friday as TRA L2 - this is proven sxcBlu and not truly> experimental.> > I'll be searching for several lost rockets from the August gig - Greg> Clark, please send any GPS cords on the way-ward fin-can with my> hardware my way.> > October in Brothers is typically comfortable weather and decent flying -> hope y'all can make it.> > /Steve> > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:21 PM> To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch> Day> > Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or> commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are> planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and> fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome,> but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. > > If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both> Randy and I. > > Cheers,> Robert> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- Hi Everyone, My name is Mike and I'm kinda new at this. I have a Phobos PM rocket with a 38mm mount. I need to get a motor retainer of some kind. I built it with about 1/2" of the mount sticking out the back as suggested in the latest directions. If I could call and order one, it would be great. Thanks, MIke > From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com > To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:44:07 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day > > I'm flying a 98mm EX motor on Friday to 15K AGL - this is a re-do flight > (same motor same airframe) from August, so I kindly request a variance > on the 75% hoop. > > The objective for me is to burn-up AP on Friday to mitigate storage woes > off-season - uncommitted 75mm L1100 and 54mm K900 available to anyone > attending Friday as TRA L2 - this is proven sxcBlu and not truly > experimental. > > I'll be searching for several lost rockets from the August gig - Greg > Clark, please send any GPS cords on the way-ward fin-can with my > hardware my way. > > October in Brothers is typically comfortable weather and decent flying - > hope y'all can make it. > > /Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:21 PM > To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch > Day > > Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or > commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are > planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and > fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, > but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. > > If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both > Randy and I. > > Cheers, > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ See Now From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 12:25:31 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:25:31 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay References: <00a401c925c7$e114b4c0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> <000001c92648$cdca2e50$c801a8c0@steve> Message-ID: <000c01c92656$f916e540$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Try Giant Leap, they are one of many vendors with great retainers. http://www.giantleaprocketry.com/products_retention.asp Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: C Bennight To: Steve Cutonilli ; 'Robert Krausert' ; 'Members OregonRocketry' ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay Hi Everyone, My name is Mike and I'm kinda new at this. I have a Phobos PM rocket with a 38mm mount. I need to get a motor retainer of some kind. I built it with about 1/2" of the mount sticking out the back as suggested in the latest directions. If I could call and order one, it would be great. Thanks, MIke > From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com > To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:44:07 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day > > I'm flying a 98mm EX motor on Friday to 15K AGL - this is a re-do flight > (same motor same airframe) from August, so I kindly request a variance > on the 75% hoop. > > The objective for me is to burn-up AP on Friday to mitigate storage woes > off-season - uncommitted 75mm L1100 and 54mm K900 available to anyone > attending Friday as TRA L2 - this is proven sxcBlu and not truly > experimental. > > I'll be searching for several lost rockets from the August gig - Greg > Clark, please send any GPS cords on the way-ward fin-can with my > hardware my way. > > October in Brothers is typically comfortable weather and decent flying - > hope y'all can make it. > > /Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:21 PM > To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch > Day > > Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or > commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are > planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and > fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, > but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. > > If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both > Randy and I. > > Cheers, > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now -------------- next part -------------- Try Giant Leap, they are one of many vendors with great retainers. http://www.giantleaprocketry.com/products_retention.asp http://www.giantleaprocketry.com/products_retention.asp ? Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:bennightfam at hotmail.com C Bennight To: mailto:steve-c at ix.netcom.com Steve Cutonilli ; mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com 'Robert Krausert' ; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.com 'Members OregonRocketry' ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay Hi Everyone, My name is Mike and I'm kinda new at this. I have a Phobos PM rocket with a 38mm mount. I need to get a motor retainer of some kind. I built it with about 1/2" of the mount sticking out the back as suggested in the latest directions. If I could call and order one, it would be great. Thanks, MIke > From: mailto:steve-c at ix.netcom.com steve-c at ix.netcom.com > To: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com ; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.com members at oregonrocketry.com ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:44:07 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day > > I'm flying a 98mm EX motor on Friday to 15K AGL - this is a re-do flight > (same motor same airframe) from August, so I kindly request a variance > on the 75% hoop. > > The objective for me is to burn-up AP on Friday to mitigate storage woes > off-season - uncommitted 75mm L1100 and 54mm K900 available to anyone > attending Friday as TRA L2 - this is proven sxcBlu and not truly > experimental. > > I'll be searching for several lost rockets from the August gig - Greg > Clark, please send any GPS cords on the way-ward fin-can with my > hardware my way. > > October in Brothers is typically comfortable weather and decent flying - > hope y'all can make it. > > /Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:21 PM > To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch > Day > > Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or > commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are > planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and > fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, > but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. > > If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both > Randy and I. > > Cheers, > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ See Now From appusher at q.com Sat Oct 4 12:31:28 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:31:28 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay Message-ID: Try Mike Fisher at Binder Design. He's local and has just what you are looking for. mfreptiles at aol.com Reasonable price and great customer service. Bill @ PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com> To: bennightfam at hotmail.com; steve-c at ix.netcom.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:25:31 -0700> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay> > Try Giant Leap, they are one of many vendors with great retainers. > http://www.giantleaprocketry.com/products_retention.asp> > Cheers,> Robert> ----- Original Message ----- > From: C Bennight > To: Steve Cutonilli ; 'Robert Krausert' ; 'Members OregonRocketry' ; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:07 PM> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay> > > Hi Everyone,> My name is Mike and I'm kinda new at this. I have a Phobos PM rocket with a 38mm mount. I need to get a motor retainer of some> kind. I built it with about 1/2' of the mount sticking out the back as suggested in the latest directions. If I could call and order > one, it would be great. > Thanks,> MIke> > > From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com> > To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:44:07 -0700> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day> > > > I'm flying a 98mm EX motor on Friday to 15K AGL - this is a re-do flight> > (same motor same airframe) from August, so I kindly request a variance> > on the 75% hoop.> > > > The objective for me is to burn-up AP on Friday to mitigate storage woes> > off-season - uncommitted 75mm L1100 and 54mm K900 available to anyone> > attending Friday as TRA L2 - this is proven sxcBlu and not truly> > experimental.> > > > I'll be searching for several lost rockets from the August gig - Greg> > Clark, please send any GPS cords on the way-ward fin-can with my> > hardware my way.> > > > October in Brothers is typically comfortable weather and decent flying -> > hope y'all can make it.> > > > /Steve> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:21 PM> > To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com> > Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch> > Day> > > > Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or> > commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are> > planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and> > fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome,> > but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. > > > > If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both> > Randy and I. > > > > Cheers,> > Robert> > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now -------------- next part -------------- Try Mike Fisher at Binder Design.? He's local and has just what you are looking for.? mailto:mfreptiles at aol.com mfreptiles at aol.com ???? Reasonable price and great customer service. ? Bill @ PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: bennightfam at hotmail.com; steve-c at ix.netcom.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:25:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay > > Try Giant Leap, they are one of many vendors with great retainers. > http://www.giantleaprocketry.com/products_retention.asp > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: C Bennight > To: Steve Cutonilli ; 'Robert Krausert' ; 'Members OregonRocketry' ; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:07 PM > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay > > > Hi Everyone, > My name is Mike and I'm kinda new at this. I have a Phobos PM rocket with a 38mm mount. I need to get a motor retainer of some > kind. I built it with about 1/2' of the mount sticking out the back as suggested in the latest directions. If I could call and order > one, it would be great. > Thanks, > MIke > > > From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com > > To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:44:07 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day > > > > I'm flying a 98mm EX motor on Friday to 15K AGL - this is a re-do flight > > (same motor same airframe) from August, so I kindly request a variance > > on the 75% hoop. > > > > The objective for me is to burn-up AP on Friday to mitigate storage woes > > off-season - uncommitted 75mm L1100 and 54mm K900 available to anyone > > attending Friday as TRA L2 - this is proven sxcBlu and not truly > > experimental. > > > > I'll be searching for several lost rockets from the August gig - Greg > > Clark, please send any GPS cords on the way-ward fin-can with my > > hardware my way. > > > > October in Brothers is typically comfortable weather and decent flying - > > hope y'all can make it. > > > > /Steve > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:21 PM > > To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch > > Day > > > > Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or > > commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are > > planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and > > fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, > > but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. > > > > If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both > > Randy and I. > > > > Cheers, > > Robert > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 12:41:41 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:41:41 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EXLaunchDay References: Message-ID: <002d01c92659$3b3eb540$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Oops. I forgot that Mike guy at Binder Design... Yes, Mike Fisher is a great source and a local club guy. I recall he likes drag races. ;-) Sorry Mike, it was an honest oversight. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Munds To: Robert Krausert ; C Bennight ; Steve Cutonilli ; 'Members OregonRocketry' ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: Mike Fisher Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EXLaunchDay Try Mike Fisher at Binder Design. He's local and has just what you are looking for. mfreptiles at aol.com Reasonable price and great customer service. Bill @ PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: bennightfam at hotmail.com; steve-c at ix.netcom.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:25:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay > > Try Giant Leap, they are one of many vendors with great retainers. > http://www.giantleaprocketry.com/products_retention.asp > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: C Bennight > To: Steve Cutonilli ; 'Robert Krausert' ; 'Members OregonRocketry' ; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:07 PM > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay > > > Hi Everyone, > My name is Mike and I'm kinda new at this. I have a Phobos PM rocket with a 38mm mount. I need to get a motor retainer of some > kind. I built it with about 1/2' of the mount sticking out the back as suggested in the latest directions. If I could call and order > one, it would be great. > Thanks, > MIke > > > From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com > > To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:44:07 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day > > > > I'm flying a 98mm EX motor on Friday to 15K AGL - this is a re-do flight > > (same motor same airframe) from August, so I kindly request a variance > > on the 75% hoop. > > > > The objective for me is to burn-up AP on Friday to mitigate storage woes > > off-season - uncommitted 75mm L1100 and 54mm K900 available to anyone > > attending Friday as TRA L2 - this is proven sxcBlu and not truly > > experimental. > > > > I'll be searching for several lost rockets from the August gig - Greg > > Clark, please send any GPS cords on the way-ward fin-can with my > > hardware my way. > > > > October in Brothers is typically comfortable weather and decent flying - > > hope y'all can make it. > > > > /Steve > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:21 PM > > To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch > > Day > > > > Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or > > commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are > > planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and > > fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, > > but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. > > > > If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both > > Randy and I. > > > > Cheers, > > Robert > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now -------------- next part -------------- Oops. I forgot that Mike guy at Binder Design... Yes, Mike Fisher is a great source and a local club guy. I recall he likes drag races. ;-) ? Sorry Mike, it was an honest oversight. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:appusher at q.com Bill Munds To: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert ; mailto:bennightfam at hotmail.com C Bennight ; mailto:steve-c at ix.netcom.com Steve Cutonilli ; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.com 'Members OregonRocketry' ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: mailto:mfreptiles at aol.com Mike Fisher Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EXLaunchDay Try Mike Fisher at Binder Design.? He's local and has just what you are looking for.? mailto:mfreptiles at aol.com mfreptiles at aol.com ???? Reasonable price and great customer service. ? Bill @ PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: mailto:bennightfam at hotmail.com bennightfam at hotmail.com ; mailto:steve-c at ix.netcom.com steve-c at ix.netcom.com ; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.com members at oregonrocketry.com ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:25:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay > > Try Giant Leap, they are one of many vendors with great retainers. > http://www.giantleaprocketry.com/products_retention.asp http://www.giantleaprocketry.com/products_retention.asp > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: C Bennight > To: Steve Cutonilli ; 'Robert Krausert' ; 'Members OregonRocketry' ; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:07 PM > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay > > > Hi Everyone, > My name is Mike and I'm kinda new at this. I have a Phobos PM rocket with a 38mm mount. I need to get a motor retainer of some > kind. I built it with about 1/2' of the mount sticking out the back as suggested in the latest directions. If I could call and order > one, it would be great. > Thanks, > MIke > > > From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com > > To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:44:07 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day > > > > I'm flying a 98mm EX motor on Friday to 15K AGL - this is a re-do flight > > (same motor same airframe) from August, so I kindly request a variance > > on the 75% hoop. > > > > The objective for me is to burn-up AP on Friday to mitigate storage woes > > off-season - uncommitted 75mm L1100 and 54mm K900 available to anyone > > attending Friday as TRA L2 - this is proven sxcBlu and not truly > > experimental. > > > > I'll be searching for several lost rockets from the August gig - Greg > > Clark, please send any GPS cords on the way-ward fin-can with my > > hardware my way. > > > > October in Brothers is typically comfortable weather and decent flying - > > hope y'all can make it. > > > > /Steve > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:21 PM > > To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch > > Day > > > > Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or > > commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are > > planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and > > fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, > > but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. > > > > If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both > > Randy and I. > > > > Cheers, > > Robert > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now From winningstad at comcast.net Sat Oct 4 12:53:30 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:53:30 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] [Info Request]October 10th OROCResearch/EXLaunchDay In-Reply-To: <002d01c92659$3b3eb540$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> References: <002d01c92659$3b3eb540$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <08AB3A16DB2F4DE1BB63CE730602D39A@downstair> Binder Design for ALL your rocketry needs, wants, desires, hopes and especially SERVICE! mfreptiles at aol.com Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 No matter how much people on the left talk about compassion, they have no compassion for the taxpayers. Thomas Sowell _____ From: members-bounces at oregonrocketry.org [mailto:members-bounces at oregonrocketry.org] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:42 PM To: Bill Munds; C Bennight; Steve Cutonilli; 'Members OregonRocketry'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: Mike Fisher Subject: Re: [OROC Members] [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROCResearch/EXLaunchDay Oops. I forgot that Mike guy at Binder Design... Yes, Mike Fisher is a great source and a local club guy. I recall he likes drag races. ;-) Sorry Mike, it was an honest oversight. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Munds To: Robert Krausert ; C Bennight ; Steve Cutonilli ; 'Members OregonRocketry' ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: Mike Fisher Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EXLaunchDay Try Mike Fisher at Binder Design. He's local and has just what you are looking for. mfreptiles at aol.com Reasonable price and great customer service. Bill @ PSP iEMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: bennightfam at hotmail.com; steve-c at ix.netcom.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:25:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay > > Try Giant Leap, they are one of many vendors with great retainers. > http://www.giantleaprocketry.com/products_retention.asp > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: C Bennight > To: Steve Cutonilli ; 'Robert Krausert' ; 'Members OregonRocketry' ; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:07 PM > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay > > > Hi Everyone, > My name is Mike and I'm kinda new at this. I have a Phobos PM rocket with a 38mm mount. I need to get a motor retainer of some > kind. I built it with about 1/2' of the mount sticking out the back as suggested in the latest directions. If I could call and order > one, it would be great. > Thanks, > MIke > > > From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com > > To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:44:07 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day > > > > I'm flying a 98mm EX motor on Friday to 15K AGL - this is a re-do flight > > (same motor same airframe) from August, so I kindly request a variance > > on the 75% hoop. > > > > The objective for me is to burn-up AP on Friday to mitigate storage woes > > off-season - uncommitted 75mm L1100 and 54mm K900 available to anyone > > attending Friday as TRA L2 - this is proven sxcBlu and not truly > > experimental. > > > > I'll be searching for several lost rockets from the August gig - Greg > > Clark, please send any GPS cords on the way-ward fin-can with my > > hardware my way. > > > > October in Brothers is typically comfortable weather and decent flying - > > hope y'all can make it. > > > > /Steve > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:21 PM > > To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch > > Day > > > > Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or > > commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are > > planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and > > fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, > > but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. > > > > If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both > > Randy and I. > > > > Cheers, > > Robert > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now -------------- next part -------------- Binder Design for ALL your rocketry needs, wants, desires, hopes and especially SERVICE! ? mailto:mfreptiles at aol.com mfreptiles at aol.com ???? ? Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 ? No matter how much people on the left talk about compassion, they have no compassion for the taxpayers. Thomas Sowell From: members-bounces at oregonrocketry.org [mailto:members-bounces at oregonrocketry.org] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:42 PM To: Bill Munds; C Bennight; Steve Cutonilli; 'Members OregonRocketry'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: Mike Fisher Subject: Re: [ OROC Members ] [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EXLaunchDay ? Oops. I forgot that Mike guy at Binder Design... Yes, Mike Fisher is a great source and a local club guy. I recall he likes drag races. ;-) ? Sorry Mike, it was an honest oversight. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:appusher at q.com Bill Munds To: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert ; mailto:bennightfam at hotmail.com C Bennight ; mailto:steve-c at ix.netcom.com Steve Cutonilli ; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.com 'Members OregonRocketry' ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: mailto:mfreptiles at aol.com Mike Fisher Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EXLaunchDay ? Try Mike Fisher at Binder Design.? He's local and has just what you are looking for.? mailto:mfreptiles at aol.com mfreptiles at aol.com ???? Reasonable price and great customer service. ? Bill @ PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: mailto:bennightfam at hotmail.com bennightfam at hotmail.com ; mailto:steve-c at ix.netcom.com steve-c at ix.netcom.com ; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.com members at oregonrocketry.com ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:25:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay > > Try Giant Leap, they are one of many vendors with great retainers. > http://www.giantleaprocketry.com/products_retention.asp http://www.giantleaprocketry.com/products_retention.asp > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: C Bennight > To: Steve Cutonilli ; 'Robert Krausert' ; 'Members OregonRocketry' ; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:07 PM > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay > > > Hi Everyone, > My name is Mike and I'm kinda new at this. I have a Phobos PM rocket with a 38mm mount. I need to get a motor retainer of some > kind. I built it with about 1/2' of the mount sticking out the back as suggested in the latest directions. If I could call and order > one, it would be great. > Thanks, > MIke > > > From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com > > To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:44:07 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day > > > > I'm flying a 98mm EX motor on Friday to 15K AGL - this is a re-do flight > > (same motor same airframe) from August, so I kindly request a variance > > on the 75% hoop. > > > > The objective for me is to burn-up AP on Friday to mitigate storage woes > > off-season - uncommitted 75mm L1100 and 54mm K900 available to anyone > > attending Friday as TRA L2 - this is proven sxcBlu and not truly > > experimental. > > > > I'll be searching for several lost rockets from the August gig - Greg > > Clark , please send any GPS cords on the way-ward fin-can with my > > hardware my way. > > > > October in Brothers is typically comfortable weather and decent flying - > > hope y'all can make it. > > > > /Steve > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:21 PM > > To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch > > Day > > > > Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or > > commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are > > planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and > > fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, > > but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. > > > > If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both > > Randy and I. > > > > Cheers, > > Robert > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now From bennightfam at hotmail.com Sat Oct 4 12:53:18 2008 From: bennightfam at hotmail.com (C Bennight) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:53:18 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EXLaunchDay In-Reply-To: <002d01c92659$3b3eb540$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> References: <002d01c92659$3b3eb540$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: Thanks a million, I'll contact MIke at Binder Design. Mike From: lawndart.robert at gmail.comTo: appusher at q.com; bennightfam at hotmail.com; steve-c at ix.netcom.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.comCC: mfreptiles at aol.comSubject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EXLaunchDayDate: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:41:41 -0700 Oops. I forgot that Mike guy at Binder Design... Yes, Mike Fisher is a great source and a local club guy. I recall he likes drag races. ;-) Sorry Mike, it was an honest oversight. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Munds To: Robert Krausert ; C Bennight ; Steve Cutonilli ; 'Members OregonRocketry' ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: Mike Fisher Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EXLaunchDay Try Mike Fisher at Binder Design. He's local and has just what you are looking for. mfreptiles at aol.com Reasonable price and great customer service. Bill @ PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com> To: bennightfam at hotmail.com; steve-c at ix.netcom.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:25:31 -0700> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay> > Try Giant Leap, they are one of many vendors with great retainers. > http://www.giantleaprocketry.com/products_retention.asp> > Cheers,> Robert> ----- Original Message ----- > From: C Bennight > To: Steve Cutonilli ; 'Robert Krausert' ; 'Members OregonRocketry' ; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:07 PM> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay> > > Hi Everyone,> My name is Mike and I'm kinda new at this. I have a Phobos PM rocket with a 38mm mount. I need to get a motor retainer of some> kind. I built it with about 1/2' of the mount sticking out the back as suggested in the latest directions. If I could call and order > one, it would be great. > Thanks,> MIke> > > From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com> > To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:44:07 -0700> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day> > > > I'm flying a 98mm EX motor on Friday to 15K AGL - this is a re-do flight> > (same motor same airframe) from August, so I kindly request a variance> > on the 75% hoop.> > > > The objective for me is to burn-up AP on Friday to mitigate storage woes> > off-season - uncommitted 75mm L1100 and 54mm K900 available to anyone> > attending Friday as TRA L2 - this is proven sxcBlu and not truly> > experimental.> > > > I'll be searching for several lost rockets from the August gig - Greg> > Clark, please send any GPS cords on the way-ward fin-can with my> > hardware my way.> > > > October in Brothers is typically comfortable weather and decent flying -> > hope y'all can make it.> > > > /Steve> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:21 PM> > To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com> > Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch> > Day> > > > Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or> > commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are> > planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and> > fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome,> > but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. > > > > If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both> > Randy and I. > > > > Cheers,> > Robert> > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- Thanks a million, I'll contact MIke at Binder Design. Mike From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com To: appusher at q.com; bennightfam at hotmail.com; steve-c at ix.netcom.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com CC: mfreptiles at aol.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EXLaunchDay Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:41:41 -0700 Oops. I forgot that Mike guy at Binder Design... Yes, Mike Fisher is a great source and a local club guy. I recall he likes drag races. ;-) ? Sorry Mike, it was an honest oversight. ? Cheers, Robert ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:appusher at q.com Bill Munds To: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com Robert Krausert ; mailto:bennightfam at hotmail.com C Bennight ; mailto:steve-c at ix.netcom.com Steve Cutonilli ; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.com 'Members OregonRocketry' ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: mailto:mfreptiles at aol.com Mike Fisher Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EXLaunchDay Try Mike Fisher at Binder Design.? He's local and has just what you are looking for.? mailto:mfreptiles at aol.com mfreptiles at aol.com ???? Reasonable price and great customer service. ? Bill @ PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: mailto:bennightfam at hotmail.com bennightfam at hotmail.com ; mailto:steve-c at ix.netcom.com steve-c at ix.netcom.com ; mailto:members at oregonrocketry.com members at oregonrocketry.com ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:25:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay > > Try Giant Leap, they are one of many vendors with great retainers. > http://www.giantleaprocketry.com/products_retention.asp http://www.giantleaprocketry.com/products_retention.asp > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: C Bennight > To: Steve Cutonilli ; 'Robert Krausert' ; 'Members OregonRocketry' ; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:07 PM > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX LaunchDay > > > Hi Everyone, > My name is Mike and I'm kinda new at this. I have a Phobos PM rocket with a 38mm mount. I need to get a motor retainer of some > kind. I built it with about 1/2' of the mount sticking out the back as suggested in the latest directions. If I could call and order > one, it would be great. > Thanks, > MIke > > > From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com > > To: lawndart.robert at gmail.com; members at oregonrocketry.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:44:07 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day > > > > I'm flying a 98mm EX motor on Friday to 15K AGL - this is a re-do flight > > (same motor same airframe) from August, so I kindly request a variance > > on the 75% hoop. > > > > The objective for me is to burn-up AP on Friday to mitigate storage woes > > off-season - uncommitted 75mm L1100 and 54mm K900 available to anyone > > attending Friday as TRA L2 - this is proven sxcBlu and not truly > > experimental. > > > > I'll be searching for several lost rockets from the August gig - Greg > > Clark, please send any GPS cords on the way-ward fin-can with my > > hardware my way. > > > > October in Brothers is typically comfortable weather and decent flying - > > hope y'all can make it. > > > > /Steve > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:21 PM > > To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch > > Day > > > > Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether research or > > commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in knowing how many are > > planning to use Friday for flying. Remember to cross the flight line and > > fly you are required to be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, > > but cannot fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. > > > > If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please reply to both > > Randy and I. > > > > Cheers, > > Robert > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ See Now From vern_knowles at att.net Sat Oct 4 22:38:29 2008 From: vern_knowles at att.net (Vern Knowles) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 23:38:29 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day In-Reply-To: <00a401c925c7$e114b4c0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> References: <00a401c925c7$e114b4c0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <007c01c926ac$9a09e560$0400a8c0@MainPC> Robert mentioned the requirement to be L2 or higher to fly at the OROC research launch on Oct 10. However, I would like to point out that TRA recently relaxed that rule. TRA now allows L1 members to fly commercial motors at research launches. Will OROC follow suit and do likewise? On Sept 10, 2008, TRA President Ken Good sent a message to all prefects stating: "Effective immediately: 1) All TRA members in good standing and at least 18 years of age may fly commercial motors to their current level of flyer certification at TRA Research events. 2) All TRA members in good standing and at least 18 years of age may certify at any level (1, 2, or 3) at TRA Research events. 3) As before, TRA members must be at least 18 years of age and of at least a Level 2 flyer certification to fly research motors at TRA Research events." Vern Knowles > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:21 PM > To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC > Research/EX Launch Day > > Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether > research or commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in > knowing how many are planning to use Friday for flying. > Remember to cross the flight line and fly you are required to > be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, but cannot > fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. > > If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please > reply to both Randy and I. > > Cheers, > Robert From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 22:35:36 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:35:36 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] [Info Request]October 10th OROCResearch/EX Launch Day References: <00a401c925c7$e114b4c0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> <007c01c926ac$9a09e560$0400a8c0@MainPC> Message-ID: <00ff01c926ac$330d9b90$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Vern, Thank you very much for the info. Hope to see you at a launch next season. Friday folks, changes have happened. Check out TRA rules for the latest information. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vern Knowles" To: "'Members OregonRocketry'" ; Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [OROC Members] [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROCResearch/EX Launch Day > > Robert mentioned the requirement to be L2 or higher to fly at the OROC > research launch on Oct 10. > However, I would like to point out that TRA recently relaxed that rule. > TRA now allows L1 members > to fly commercial motors at research launches. Will OROC follow suit and > do likewise? > > On Sept 10, 2008, TRA President Ken Good sent a message to all prefects > stating: > > "Effective immediately: > > 1) All TRA members in good standing and at least 18 years of age may fly > commercial motors to > their current level of flyer certification at TRA Research events. > > 2) All TRA members in good standing and at least 18 years of age may > certify at any level (1, 2, > or 3) at TRA Research events. > > 3) As before, TRA members must be at least 18 years of age and of at > least a Level 2 flyer > certification to fly research motors at TRA Research events." > > > Vern Knowles > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert >> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:21 PM >> To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC >> Research/EX Launch Day >> >> Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether >> research or commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in >> knowing how many are planning to use Friday for flying. >> Remember to cross the flight line and fly you are required to >> be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, but cannot >> fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. >> >> If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please >> reply to both Randy and I. >> >> Cheers, >> Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Members mailing list > Members at oregonrocketry.org > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members From stevet19759 at comcast.net Sat Oct 4 22:38:01 2008 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:38:01 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day In-Reply-To: <007c01c926ac$9a09e560$0400a8c0@MainPC> References: <00a401c925c7$e114b4c0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> <007c01c926ac$9a09e560$0400a8c0@MainPC> Message-ID: <48E852B9.70800@comcast.net> Hi Vern, We (OROC BOD) apparently missed that. Our whole concern with attendance at research launches has always been to follow TRA's rules, not to add new restrictions of our own. To our members, If TRA says you're OK to fly at a research launch, it's OK with us. However, note that the "18 years of age" rule and the restrictions on spectators and guests still apply: If you're an OROC member in good standing, you may attend as a guest. If you (member) wish to invite others who aren't TRA members, please contact us first to make everything official. Spectators must not cross the flight line and must not handle rockets (including during prep and recovery.) -Steve Tarr Vern Knowles wrote: > > Robert mentioned the requirement to be L2 or higher to fly at the OROC research launch on Oct 10. > However, I would like to point out that TRA recently relaxed that rule. TRA now allows L1 members > to fly commercial motors at research launches. Will OROC follow suit and do likewise? > > On Sept 10, 2008, TRA President Ken Good sent a message to all prefects stating: > > "Effective immediately: > > 1) All TRA members in good standing and at least 18 years of age may fly commercial motors to > their current level of flyer certification at TRA Research events. > > 2) All TRA members in good standing and at least 18 years of age may certify at any level (1, 2, > or 3) at TRA Research events. > > 3) As before, TRA members must be at least 18 years of age and of at least a Level 2 flyer > certification to fly research motors at TRA Research events." > > > Vern Knowles > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert >> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:21 PM >> To: Robert Krausert; Members OregonRocketry; rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: [RocketsNW] [Info Request]October 10th OROC >> Research/EX Launch Day >> >> Those planning to fly on Friday October 10th; whether >> research or commercial. Both Randy and I are interested in >> knowing how many are planning to use Friday for flying. >> Remember to cross the flight line and fly you are required to >> be TRA L2 or higher. Invited guests are welcome, but cannot >> fly on Friday unless they meet the TRA L2 requirement. >> >> If you are planning to fly on Friday October 10th, please >> reply to both Randy and I. >> >> Cheers, >> Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From rocfish74 at live.com Sun Oct 5 04:43:51 2008 From: rocfish74 at live.com (Mark Lyons) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 04:43:51 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Alphabet Ladder Project Summary In-Reply-To: <010201c925bb$acc82640$461ecac6@CADDANCE> References: <010201c925bb$acc82640$461ecac6@CADDANCE> Message-ID: Nicely done Bobert. M> From: absworld at cet.com> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:53:53 -0700> Subject: [RocketsNW] Alphabet Ladder Project Summary> > After successfully flying my Dual-75 rocket on a 7%M-1200 last year at> BALLS I came upon the idea of flying the Alphabet from A through> M-impulse over the course of the 2008 season.> Several folks invented their own Alphabet Ladder Projects this year.> Mark Lyons: ?Monkey Style? (no particular order).> Ray Stoner: Each rung flown in a different airframe where total impulse> defined the rungs thus allowing clusters.> Marty Weiser: Alpha?s only.> > My personal goal was to fly sequentially through the Alphabet in minimum> diameter fiberglass airframes.> > My quest began in March at the Blue Mountain Rocketeers (HYPERLINK> "http://www.bmr615.org/"http://www.bmr615.org/) ?Spring Fling? launch.> I decided to go with an 18mm airframe for A-C impulse and quickly> learned(remembered) how small 18mm is when packing a parachute.> With a pad weight of 89 grams the A8-3 motor pushed the rocket to a> simulated 90? yet still managed to get the chute out and open before> touchdown.> I selected a B6-4 next. After several igniter issues, I finally got the> motor lit and the rocket boosted to a simulated 309?.> The final push for the 18mm airframe was via C6-7 resulting in a good> flight to a simulated altitude of 878? putting me up to a total of> 1,277? for the first 3 rungs of my project.> > I next pulled out my 24mm rocket and loaded up a D12-7. > The pad weight of 147 grams was a tad heavy (should have used the 5 sec> delay) resulting in a late high speed deployment of the parachute and> tangled recovery. > As I walked out to recover the rocket I stumbled across the motor which> had spit out and disqualified the attempt. > I reloaded another D12-7 (no 5 sec delays in my range box) and succeeded> with a good boost and successful high speed deployment.> > I had to wait 3 weeks before attempting the E-rung at SPARC?s April> launch (HYPERLINK> "http://sparc.rocketclub.org/"http://sparc.rocketclub.org/).> I loaded up an E9-8 and opted to stick with a parachute instead of a> streamer. > The rocket managed to hang itself in a tree which took all day to> retrieve thus eliminating my plans of additional rungs that day.> > Another 3 weeks passed before I could attempt the F-rung at WAC?s> Mansfield launch (HYPERLINK> "http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/"http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/> ) in early May.> This represented my first reloadable motor (F12-5) and the 5 second> delay was woefully short for the 173 gram rocket (pad weight). > Deployment occurred at high speed but the chute hung together and> recovery was nominal.> This concluded my 24mm efforts and had me up to a simulated 7,401? on my> ladder.> > Next up was 29mm where I had planned to incorporate an avionics bay and> electronic deployment along with measured vs simulated altitude.> I had two different 29mm airframes with MAWD?s located just behind the> N/C and relying on dual deployment with just one break of the airframe> at the fin can/BT joint. > Theory was that the apogee charge would separate the airframe but not> pull out the main which was supposed to get pushed out when the main> charge fired.> In addition to electronics I also included a Walston tracking> transmitter. > Multiple design flaws quickly had me regretting the fact that I built> two of these 29mm airframes.> With the avionics bay just behind the N/C, the rocket was way over> stable. > Couple that with the Walston sitting beside the 9VDC battery which> caused a significant radial offset CG and the rocket experienced extreme> coning during ascent. > Everything held together, the main stayed in at apogee and was ejected> when the main charge fired as designed, however the nylon chute also> melted closed resulting in a high speed landing (79 ft/sec) which broke> the airframe just behind the avionics bay thus disqualifying the> attempt. > Luckily, I had my motor eject GTV along with me which I loaded up with a> G25-10 resulting in a good flight with nominal recovery.> Since I already had a second (poorly designed) 29mm rocket with avionics> behind the N/C, I decided to go ahead and attempt the H-rung via H-180. > Again, boost was extremely squirrelly but the chute stayed in at apogee> and again the chute melted closed when the main charge pushed it out. > Luckily the rocket landed soft (still fast at 103 ft/sec) and undamaged> so I decided to count the rung. > Total flight time was 72 seconds. > Future versions of the 29mm airframe will move the avionics bay back to> just in front of the motor in an effort to bring the CG back closer to> the CP and eliminate the coning problem.> > Fire In the Sky (FITS) found me back at Mansfield to continue climbing> my ladder. > I was now up to 17,895? and flying 38mm airframes.> I selected an I-284 for the I-rung resulting in a clean boost. > The rocket was dual deploy going drogue-less at apogee then a 36?> parachute for main deployment.> Apogee was at 21 seconds into the flight and then at 91 seconds the main> wiggled out. > Total flight time was 317 seconds and post flight inspection revealed> signs that the fin can had impacted the upper airframe which I suspect> knocked the main parachute out.> > The J-rung provided me my first opportunity to fly a research motor so I> went with a DAWG pack MAL 4%J356 resulting in a good flight to 8,650?.> > While I had a 54mm rocket under construction, it wasn?t ready to fly by> the next launch opportunity (June Mansfield launch) so I opted to go> straight to 75mm and an AMW K365 push.> The flight was nominal to 9,202? and 248 seconds time of flight. > Descent under drogue was 58 ft/sec and a comfortable 17 ft/sec under> main.> > Six weeks later and I was back at Mansfield to attempt the L-rung of my> project. > For this flight I selected a DAWG pack 3G75 MAL 66%L905. > Due to an errant piece of duct tape on my tower which managed to catch> the aft thrust ring, the rocket kicked as it exited the tower resulting> in a fair downrange trajectory. > Recovery was nominal though post flight inspection revealed the motor> case had burned through between the first two grains of the motor. > Fortunately the burn through occurred late enough that there was just a> small black burn mark on the inside of the fin can extension. > A very close call resulting in a decision to open up the nozzle a tad in> an effort to reduce internal pressure/temp for future motors in this> configuration.> > Late September found me back at Black Rock and AHPRA?s annual BALLS> launch (HYPERLINK "http://www.balls17.com/"http://www.balls17.com/).> Since I had succeeding with a 4G75 6%M1200 last year, I decided to skip> the 5 grain configuration and jump to a DAWG pack 6G75 MAL 50%M1950.> The rocket weighed 22 lbs 6.0 oz in the tower and while the motor> performed nominally, the rocket was not up to that kind of push. > A little over 2 seconds into the boost the fins began to flutter> followed immediately by airframe destruction (it looked as if the rocket> hit a wall). > Post flight inspection revealed all 3 fins stripped and the airframe> buckled just behind the avionics bay. > The N/C, avionics bay, fin can extension, and motor hardware were> recovered undamaged. > The same cannot be said for my ego :-(.> I?m now studying fin design/construction techniques with plans to> re-attempt the M-rung next year.> > All in all this was a great project that kept me busy and engaged at all> levels of the hobby .> I managed to tally a total of 63,292? up through the L-rung of my> project, learned a lot and had tons of fun.> Fun is GOOD!> > Bob Yanecek> > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1705 - Release Date:> 10/3/2008 8:18 AM> _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- Nicely done Bobert. ? M > From: absworld at cet.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:53:53 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Alphabet Ladder Project Summary > > After successfully flying my Dual-75 rocket on a 7%M-1200 last year at > BALLS I came upon the idea of flying the Alphabet from A through > M-impulse over the course of the 2008 season. > Several folks invented their own Alphabet Ladder Projects this year. > Mark Lyons: ?Monkey Style? (no particular order). > Ray Stoner: Each rung flown in a different airframe where total impulse > defined the rungs thus allowing clusters. > Marty Weiser: Alpha?s only. > > My personal goal was to fly sequentially through the Alphabet in minimum > diameter fiberglass airframes. > > My quest began in March at the Blue Mountain Rocketeers (HYPERLINK > "http://www.bmr615.org/"http://www.bmr615.org/) ?Spring Fling? launch. > I decided to go with an 18mm airframe for A-C impulse and quickly > learned(remembered) how small 18mm is when packing a parachute. > With a pad weight of 89 grams the A8-3 motor pushed the rocket to a > simulated 90? yet still managed to get the chute out and open before > touchdown. > I selected a B6-4 next. After several igniter issues, I finally got the > motor lit and the rocket boosted to a simulated 309?. > The final push for the 18mm airframe was via C6-7 resulting in a good > flight to a simulated altitude of 878? putting me up to a total of > 1,277? for the first 3 rungs of my project. > > I next pulled out my 24mm rocket and loaded up a D12-7. > The pad weight of 147 grams was a tad heavy (should have used the 5 sec > delay) resulting in a late high speed deployment of the parachute and > tangled recovery. > As I walked out to recover the rocket I stumbled across the motor which > had spit out and disqualified the attempt. > I reloaded another D12-7 (no 5 sec delays in my range box) and succeeded > with a good boost and successful high speed deployment. > > I had to wait 3 weeks before attempting the E-rung at SPARC?s April > launch (HYPERLINK > "http://sparc.rocketclub.org/"http://sparc.rocketclub.org/). > I loaded up an E9-8 and opted to stick with a parachute instead of a > streamer. > The rocket managed to hang itself in a tree which took all day to > retrieve thus eliminating my plans of additional rungs that day. > > Another 3 weeks passed before I could attempt the F-rung at WAC?s > Mansfield launch (HYPERLINK > "http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/"http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/ > ) in early May. > This represented my first reloadable motor (F12-5) and the 5 second > delay was woefully short for the 173 gram rocket (pad weight). > Deployment occurred at high speed but the chute hung together and > recovery was nominal. > This concluded my 24mm efforts and had me up to a simulated 7,401? on my > ladder. > > Next up was 29mm where I had planned to incorporate an avionics bay and > electronic deployment along with measured vs simulated altitude. > I had two different 29mm airframes with MAWD?s located just behind the > N/C and relying on dual deployment with just one break of the airframe > at the fin can/BT joint. > Theory was that the apogee charge would separate the airframe but not > pull out the main which was supposed to get pushed out when the main > charge fired. > In addition to electronics I also included a Walston tracking > transmitter. > Multiple design flaws quickly had me regretting the fact that I built > two of these 29mm airframes. > With the avionics bay just behind the N/C, the rocket was way over > stable. > Couple that with the Walston sitting beside the 9VDC battery which > caused a significant radial offset CG and the rocket experienced extreme > coning during ascent. > Everything held together, the main stayed in at apogee and was ejected > when the main charge fired as designed, however the nylon chute also > melted closed resulting in a high speed landing (79 ft/sec) which broke > the airframe just behind the avionics bay thus disqualifying the > attempt. > Luckily, I had my motor eject GTV along with me which I loaded up with a > G25-10 resulting in a good flight with nominal recovery. > Since I already had a second (poorly designed) 29mm rocket with avionics > behind the N/C, I decided to go ahead and attempt the H-rung via H-180. > Again, boost was extremely squirrelly but the chute stayed in at apogee > and again the chute melted closed when the main charge pushed it out. > Luckily the rocket landed soft (still fast at 103 ft/sec) and undamaged > so I decided to count the rung. > Total flight time was 72 seconds. > Future versions of the 29mm airframe will move the avionics bay back to > just in front of the motor in an effort to bring the CG back closer to > the CP and eliminate the coning problem. > > Fire In the Sky (FITS) found me back at Mansfield to continue climbing > my ladder. > I was now up to 17,895? and flying 38mm airframes. > I selected an I-284 for the I-rung resulting in a clean boost. > The rocket was dual deploy going drogue-less at apogee then a 36? > parachute for main deployment. > Apogee was at 21 seconds into the flight and then at 91 seconds the main > wiggled out. > Total flight time was 317 seconds and post flight inspection revealed > signs that the fin can had impacted the upper airframe which I suspect > knocked the main parachute out. > > The J-rung provided me my first opportunity to fly a research motor so I > went with a DAWG pack MAL 4%J356 resulting in a good flight to 8,650?. > > While I had a 54mm rocket under construction, it wasn?t ready to fly by > the next launch opportunity (June Mansfield launch) so I opted to go > straight to 75mm and an AMW K365 push. > The flight was nominal to 9,202? and 248 seconds time of flight. > Descent under drogue was 58 ft/sec and a comfortable 17 ft/sec under > main. > > Six weeks later and I was back at Mansfield to attempt the L-rung of my > project. > For this flight I selected a DAWG pack 3G75 MAL 66%L905. > Due to an errant piece of duct tape on my tower which managed to catch > the aft thrust ring, the rocket kicked as it exited the tower resulting > in a fair downrange trajectory. > Recovery was nominal though post flight inspection revealed the motor > case had burned through between the first two grains of the motor. > Fortunately the burn through occurred late enough that there was just a > small black burn mark on the inside of the fin can extension. > A very close call resulting in a decision to open up the nozzle a tad in > an effort to reduce internal pressure/temp for future motors in this > configuration. > > Late September found me back at Black Rock and AHPRA?s annual BALLS > launch (HYPERLINK "http://www.balls17.com/"http://www.balls17.com/). > Since I had succeeding with a 4G75 6%M1200 last year, I decided to skip > the 5 grain configuration and jump to a DAWG pack 6G75 MAL 50%M1950. > The rocket weighed 22 lbs 6.0 oz in the tower and while the motor > performed nominally, the rocket was not up to that kind of push. > A little over 2 seconds into the boost the fins began to flutter > followed immediately by airframe destruction (it looked as if the rocket > hit a wall). > Post flight inspection revealed all 3 fins stripped and the airframe > buckled just behind the avionics bay. > The N/C, avionics bay, fin can extension, and motor hardware were > recovered undamaged. > The same cannot be said for my ego :-(. > I?m now studying fin design/construction techniques with plans to > re-attempt the M-rung next year. > > All in all this was a great project that kept me busy and engaged at all > levels of the hobby . > I managed to tally a total of 63,292? up through the L-rung of my > project, learned a lot and had tons of fun. > Fun is GOOD! > > Bob Yanecek > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1705 - Release Date: > 10/3/2008 8:18 AM > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_getmore_092008 Learn Now From jhadv at pacifier.com Sun Oct 5 09:33:22 2008 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 09:33:22 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20081005092414.00bc8790@mail.iinet.com> >"Robert mentioned the requirement to be L2 or higher to fly at the OROC >research launch on Oct 10. >However, I would like to point out that TRA recently relaxed that >rule. TRA now allows L1 members >to fly commercial motors at research launches. Will OROC follow suit and >do likewise?" To be quite frank I am a little disappointed in this. Although not yet level 2 myself it seems to me what separates the research launches from the standard launches is the incorporation of chemistry into the rocket build. Many of these research builds have custom motors, ignition devices and so on where people are mixing their own chemicals. Given that I fail to see what good it does to be flying a bunch of level one rockets off lower power pads at the same time as these custom builds are going up. Kind of thoughtless if you ask me. All you do is clutter the launch site with people launching and retrieving mid power rockets while people are handling and loading custom motors and other pyro devices sometimes weighing dozens of pounds. I am surprised the insurance companies think this is an acceptable idea. Furthermore I thought that this is what the most recent TRA election was all about. Did Combs beat Barrett? This was in line with Combs position but against Barrett's. If Barrett beat Combs then I think Mr. Good is being heavy handed. From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 11:01:29 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:01:29 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081005092414.00bc8790@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <002301c92714$66544e00$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Paul, and others, It was my error that I did not know that the rule has in fact changed. So in my email regarding the launch, I was still working on what I knew at that time. Vern was kind enough to alert us that the change has happened. Steve Tarr is our clubs president and here is what Steve wrote and emailed 10/4/2008: Quote: "We (OROC BOD) apparently missed that. Our whole concern with attendance at research launches has always been to follow TRA's rules, not to add new restrictions of our own. To our members, If TRA says you're OK to fly at a research launch, it's OK with us. However, note that the "18 years of age" rule and the restrictions on spectators and guests still apply: If you're an OROC member in good standing, you may attend as a guest. If you (member) wish to invite others who aren't TRA members, please contact us first to make everything official. Spectators must not cross the flight line and must not handle rockets (including during prep and recovery.)" Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bogdanich" To: Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:33 AM Subject: [RocketsNW] October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day > >>"Robert mentioned the requirement to be L2 or higher to fly at the OROC >>research launch on Oct 10. >>However, I would like to point out that TRA recently relaxed that >>rule. TRA now allows L1 members >>to fly commercial motors at research launches. Will OROC follow suit and >>do likewise?" > > To be quite frank I am a little disappointed in this. Although not yet > level 2 myself it seems to me what separates the research launches from > the > standard launches is the incorporation of chemistry into the rocket > build. Many of these research builds have custom motors, ignition devices > and so on where people are mixing their own chemicals. Given that I fail > to see what good it does to be flying a bunch of level one rockets off > lower power pads at the same time as these custom builds are going > up. Kind of thoughtless if you ask me. All you do is clutter the launch > site with people launching and retrieving mid power rockets while people > are handling and loading custom motors and other pyro devices sometimes > weighing dozens of pounds. I am surprised the insurance companies think > this is an acceptable idea. Furthermore I thought that this is what the > most recent TRA election was all about. Did Combs beat Barrett? This was > in line with Combs position but against Barrett's. If Barrett beat Combs > then I think Mr. Good is being heavy handed. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From tnetcenter at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 11:50:33 2008 From: tnetcenter at gmail.com (Jeff Moore) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:50:33 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081005092414.00bc8790@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <006e01c9271b$40c9ff70$f0b2e4d8@TNTCENTER> "heavy-handed"? Most of us want to be able to have L1 people launching and the use of commercial motors at the research launches. Typically, except for events like BALLS, research launches are extremely layed back, one or two launch pad affairs with less than a dozen launches all day. As far as flying L1 rockets at research launches, it occurs all the time. Although custom propellant does play a big part in the research launches (it used to be ALL you could do), mixing in commercial motors allows for research in other areas such as airframes and materials, electronics, etc. that were a bit more difficult to do when you had to add in the use of experimental propellant also. Most of us consider this a step in the right direction. Jeff Moore TRA #9861 L2 BORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bogdanich" To: Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:33 AM Subject: [RocketsNW] October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch Day >"Robert mentioned the requirement to be L2 or higher to fly at the OROC >research launch on Oct 10. >However, I would like to point out that TRA recently relaxed that >rule. TRA now allows L1 members >to fly commercial motors at research launches. Will OROC follow suit and >do likewise?" To be quite frank I am a little disappointed in this. Although not yet level 2 myself it seems to me what separates the research launches from the standard launches is the incorporation of chemistry into the rocket build. Many of these research builds have custom motors, ignition devices and so on where people are mixing their own chemicals. Given that I fail to see what good it does to be flying a bunch of level one rockets off lower power pads at the same time as these custom builds are going up. Kind of thoughtless if you ask me. All you do is clutter the launch site with people launching and retrieving mid power rockets while people are handling and loading custom motors and other pyro devices sometimes weighing dozens of pounds. I am surprised the insurance companies think this is an acceptable idea. Furthermore I thought that this is what the most recent TRA election was all about. Did Combs beat Barrett? This was in line with Combs position but against Barrett's. If Barrett beat Combs then I think Mr. Good is being heavy handed. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 14:53:46 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:53:46 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Sheridan '08 10-way Drag Race video posted Message-ID: <005401c92734$dae8ead0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Hi all, Finally got the 10-way drag race video posted to the NW web site under the images gallery. http://www.northwestrocketry.com/ Enjoy the video of Eric, Mike F, Gary, John, Mark Q, Lamar, Mike L, Ian, Mark G, and I flying G79-10W motors. All ignitors lit, but only 6 rockets flew. Ok, 5 rockets and 1 saucer. Happy John? You'll get a portion of the video where John Hornsby is styling a new bright white shirt. ;-) Next years drag race challenge and motors will be announced in August '09. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Hi all, Finally got the 10-way drag race video posted to the NW web site under the images gallery. ? http://www.northwestrocketry.com/ http://www.northwestrocketry.com/ ? Enjoy the video of Eric, Mike F, Gary, John, Mark Q, Lamar, Mike L, Ian,?Mark G, and I flying G79-10W motors. All ignitors lit, but only 6 rockets flew. Ok, 5 rockets and 1 saucer. Happy John? ? You'll get a portion of the video where John Hornsby is styling a new bright white shirt. ;-) ? Next years drag race challenge and motors will be announced in August '09. ? Cheers, Robert From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 16:09:22 2008 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Sheridan '08 10-way Drag Race video posted In-Reply-To: <005401c92734$dae8ead0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <940564.80957.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, that makes me happy. :o) ? Oh and I was wearing pants too. :o) ? John Hornsby --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Robert Krausert wrote: From: Robert Krausert Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Sheridan '08 10-way Drag Race video posted To: "Members OregonRocketry" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 2:53 PM Hi all, Finally got the 10-way drag race video posted to the NW web site under the images gallery. ? http://www.northwestrocketry.com/ http://www.northwestrocketry.com/ ? Enjoy the video of Eric, Mike F, Gary, John, Mark Q, Lamar, Mike L, Ian,?Mark G, and I flying G79-10W motors. All ignitors lit, but only 6 rockets flew. Ok, 5 rockets and 1 saucer. Happy John? ? You'll get a portion of the video where John Hornsby is styling a new bright white shirt. ;-) ? Next years drag race challenge and motors will be announced in August '09. ? Cheers, Robert _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Yes, that makes me happy. :o) ? Oh and I was wearing pants too. :o) ? John Hornsby --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Robert Krausert wrote: From: Robert Krausert Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Sheridan '08 10-way Drag Race video posted To: "Members OregonRocketry" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 2:53 PM Hi all, Finally got the 10-way drag race video posted to the NW web site under the images gallery. ? http://www.northwestrocketry.com/ http://www.northwestrocketry.com/ ? Enjoy the video of Eric, Mike F, Gary, John, Mark Q, Lamar, Mike L, Ian,?Mark G, and I flying G79-10W motors. All ignitors lit, but only 6 rockets flew. Ok, 5 rockets and 1 saucer. Happy John? ? You'll get a portion of the video where John Hornsby is styling a new bright white shirt. ;-) ? Next years drag race challenge and motors will be announced in August '09. ? Cheers, Robert _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jhadv at pacifier.com Sun Oct 5 16:17:26 2008 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] October 10th OROC Research/EX Launch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12965.71.59.209.163.1223248646.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> All that stuff is great my point was I think they erred by making research launches open to level one flyers. The old rule used to be level two and higher which allowed for commercial motors, airframe testing and so on. I still think the old rules were more appropriate than this new dictum. From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 16:57:10 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:57:10 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Sheridan '08 10-way Drag Race video posted References: <940564.80957.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007d01c92746$16b71120$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Well John, I'm certainly glad you were wearing pants as well. I'm not planning to turn the drag race into a tidy-whities, semi nude, full frontal or anything like that types of an event. Unless we get the Dallas... [never mind that]. We all watching from the flightline appreciated you wearing pants while loading your saucer. Please warn us next year if you're planning something different. ;-) LOL Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hornsby" To: Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] OROC Sheridan '08 10-way Drag Race video posted Yes, that makes me happy. :o) Oh and I was wearing pants too. :o) John Hornsby --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Robert Krausert wrote: From: Robert Krausert Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Sheridan '08 10-way Drag Race video posted To: "Members OregonRocketry" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 2:53 PM Hi all, Finally got the 10-way drag race video posted to the NW web site under the images gallery. http://www.northwestrocketry.com/ http://www.northwestrocketry.com/ Enjoy the video of Eric, Mike F, Gary, John, Mark Q, Lamar, Mike L, Ian, Mark G, and I flying G79-10W motors. All ignitors lit, but only 6 rockets flew. Ok, 5 rockets and 1 saucer. Happy John? You'll get a portion of the video where John Hornsby is styling a new bright white shirt. ;-) Next years drag race challenge and motors will be announced in August '09. Cheers, Robert _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From carl20320 at msn.com Sun Oct 5 23:11:49 2008 From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:11:49 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] Hardware I need to sell Message-ID: I have some hardware that I need to sell since my big project has gone over budget. This is all hardware that I am not likely to ever use or do not need due to duplicates. I'm listing it here first but if I do not sell it here reasonably quick, I will list it on TRF or fleabay. I would prefer payment by MO or check but will take PayPal if necessary. I can take pictures if there is something in particular that you want to see. Basically everything is in really good condition. I will describe each piece. You pay postage. Contact me at carl20320 at msn.com if interested. I'll start big and work my way smaller. 1) Rouse Tech blue anodized 75mm Forward Closure. I've used it once with an L850. I don't need it anymore since I bought a 75/6400 Desert Fire case/forward closure. It is in excellent condition. There are a couple very small knicks in the anodizing up where the screw eye threads into the closure. That is how they got there. $65 2) 75mm AMW type external thrust ring. Appears to be SS but ??? I won this a few years back and have no use for it. Never used. $5 ??? 3) Dr Rocket 54mm Forward Closure - Extended Open. There is no discoloration of the anodizing and I don't think I ever used it. $35 4) Dr Rocket 54mm Forward Closure - Open. I used this a couple times. Very good condition. $31 5) Dr Rocket 38/1080 case. I bought it from someone that I don't think ever used it... And I probably will not either. There is absolutely no discoloration in the anodizing and no evidence or marks where the o-rings go. $58 6) Dr Rocket 38/240 case. Used but in very good condition. There is minor discoloration of the anodizing on the inside where the o-rings sit. There are also a couple very small pits in the anodizing about 1/2" in past the threads on one end. I cannot feel them with just my finger but I can with my fingernail. $27 7) Dr Rocket 38/120 case. Used once with a G67R. Excellent condition. $26 8) Dr Rocket 29/180-240 Hardware set, seal disk, AND an Aerotech 29/60 case. This looks to be in excellent condition. I have flown the 29/180 case once. The 29/60 case looks like it has been used a few times but is in very good condition. $110 9) Aerotech 29/40-120 Hobby Line motor. This is in excellent condition. The paint is still all on the outside and the only evidence of use is in the delay grain where the anodizing is slightly discolored. $45 10) Aerotech 24/40 Hobby line motor. The outside looks brand new. The inside of the case has some discoloration of the anodizing. Over all, I would say this case is in excellent condition. $42 11) A second Aerotech 24/40 Hobby line motor. The outside is in very good condition with most of the stenciling still intact. Some of the anodizing has been scratched off the forward closure where an Estes Motor mount scratched it while trying to put it into an Estes Stormcaster. BTW, an E11-3J flies great in that rocket. The powder well also shows some use. The inside of the case has some discoloration of the anodizing. Over all, I would say this case is in good condition. $35 From fred.azinger at intel.com Mon Oct 6 09:02:50 2008 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:02:50 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning In-Reply-To: <79FD08A359FD4B968CA43112DFAE3B50@WeiserAdminPC> References: <79FD08A359FD4B968CA43112DFAE3B50@WeiserAdminPC> Message-ID: <509223F0BF55E74FA1247D17207E7A0C0383621D@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> We use automobile hones. Buy a main cylinder (for 75 & 98mm) or brake cylinder hone (54mm) and a drill extension. Depending on the severity of the dirt, wrap the hone in a light (Costco) shop towel or large scotch-brite pads. Use straight Simple Green or 99% Isopropyl Alcohol...both cut grease pretty well. A few minutes spin of your drill with the hone from both ends Followed by a rinse and a little clean up for the snap ring groves, and you are done. By far the fastest and easiest way we've found. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Marty Weiser Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:51 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; 'Northwest Experimental Rocketry' Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the hardware store. For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4" flap wheel (blue - med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some mechanics hand cleaner. For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5" fine grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the scotch brite flaps. Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner. I had previously used a 3" Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm. Now if I can only find a similar wheel for 38 mm I will be set. I am sure some folks have found these or similar products, but not all. Marty From angela at wrightholdings.com Mon Oct 6 09:27:25 2008 From: angela at wrightholdings.com (Angela Innes) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:27:25 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning In-Reply-To: <509223F0BF55E74FA1247D17207E7A0C0383621D@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <79FD08A359FD4B968CA43112DFAE3B50@WeiserAdminPC>, <509223F0BF55E74FA1247D17207E7A0C0383621D@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <1B30B51E5569F143A7851FEAB8A60FD306C56A7828@BL2PRD0101MB003.prod.exchangelabs.com> Its especially helpful when there are so many pieces and parts to clean after a weekend at the playa. :) Red ________________________________________ From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred [fred.azinger at intel.com] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:02 AM To: Marty Weiser; rockets at rocketsnw.com; Northwest Experimental Rocketry Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning We use automobile hones. Buy a main cylinder (for 75 & 98mm) or brake cylinder hone (54mm) and a drill extension. Depending on the severity of the dirt, wrap the hone in a light (Costco) shop towel or large scotch-brite pads. Use straight Simple Green or 99% Isopropyl Alcohol...both cut grease pretty well. A few minutes spin of your drill with the hone from both ends Followed by a rinse and a little clean up for the snap ring groves, and you are done. By far the fastest and easiest way we've found. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Marty Weiser Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:51 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; 'Northwest Experimental Rocketry' Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the hardware store. For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4" flap wheel (blue - med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some mechanics hand cleaner. For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5" fine grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the scotch brite flaps. Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner. I had previously used a 3" Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm. Now if I can only find a similar wheel for 38 mm I will be set. I am sure some folks have found these or similar products, but not all. Marty _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at blastzone.com Mon Oct 6 09:37:26 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:37:26 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [xRockets] Case cleaning In-Reply-To: <509223F0BF55E74FA1247D17207E7A0C0383621D@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <79FD08A359FD4B968CA43112DFAE3B50@WeiserAdminPC> <509223F0BF55E74FA1247D17207E7A0C0383621D@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <138701c927d1$d16fe830$744fb890$@com> How well does the anodizing put up with that? -----Original Message----- From: xrockets-bounces at blastzone.com [mailto:xrockets-bounces at blastzone.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:03 AM To: Marty Weiser; rockets at rocketsnw.com; Northwest Experimental Rocketry Subject: Re: [xRockets] [RocketsNW] Case cleaning We use automobile hones. Buy a main cylinder (for 75 & 98mm) or brake cylinder hone (54mm) and a drill extension. Depending on the severity of the dirt, wrap the hone in a light (Costco) shop towel or large scotch-brite pads. Use straight Simple Green or 99% Isopropyl Alcohol...both cut grease pretty well. A few minutes spin of your drill with the hone from both ends Followed by a rinse and a little clean up for the snap ring groves, and you are done. By far the fastest and easiest way we've found. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Marty Weiser Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:51 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; 'Northwest Experimental Rocketry' Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the hardware store. For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4" flap wheel (blue - med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some mechanics hand cleaner. For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5" fine grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the scotch brite flaps. Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner. I had previously used a 3" Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm. Now if I can only find a similar wheel for 38 mm I will be set. I am sure some folks have found these or similar products, but not all. Marty _______________________________________________ xRockets mailing list xRockets at blastzone.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/xrockets From adrian.l.carbine at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 09:49:19 2008 From: adrian.l.carbine at gmail.com (Adrian L Carbine) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:49:19 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [xRockets] Case cleaning In-Reply-To: <138701c927d1$d16fe830$744fb890$@com> References: <79FD08A359FD4B968CA43112DFAE3B50@WeiserAdminPC> <509223F0BF55E74FA1247D17207E7A0C0383621D@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> <138701c927d1$d16fe830$744fb890$@com> Message-ID: I started using the cylinder hone method a couple of years ago, after hearing from Fred how fast his cleanup was going. It works great on commercial casings too. I used to spend a lot of time in cleanup, and now it is done in just minutes. In my experience the anodizing isn't affected (as long as the hone stones themselves never contact the aluminum). I wrap each stone individually with a green Scotch scrubbing pad, and that prevents the stone from scratching the anodizing, while allowing each arm to swing outward for maximum pressure on the inside diameter of the casing. My only negative experience with it is getting my hand pinched by the hone when the arms swing out all the way. An automotive cylinder hone has a really strong central spring, and if you hold it by the middle when you pull it out of the casing, it can suddenly spring out and pinch really hard! :-) --- Adrian On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Greg Deputy wrote: > How well does the anodizing put up with that? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xrockets-bounces at blastzone.com [mailto: > xrockets-bounces at blastzone.com] > On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:03 AM > To: Marty Weiser; rockets at rocketsnw.com; Northwest Experimental Rocketry > Subject: Re: [xRockets] [RocketsNW] Case cleaning > > We use automobile hones. > Buy a main cylinder (for 75 & 98mm) or brake cylinder hone (54mm) and a > drill extension. > Depending on the severity of the dirt, wrap the hone in a light (Costco) > shop towel or large scotch-brite pads. > Use straight Simple Green or 99% Isopropyl Alcohol...both cut grease > pretty well. > A few minutes spin of your drill with the hone from both ends > Followed by a rinse and a little clean up for the snap ring groves, and > you are done. > By far the fastest and easiest way we've found. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Marty Weiser > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:51 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com; 'Northwest Experimental Rocketry' > Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning > > I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the > hardware > store. For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4" flap wheel (blue - > med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some > mechanics hand cleaner. For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5" fine > grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the > scotch > brite flaps. Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner. > I > had previously used a 3" Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in > size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm. Now if I can only find a similar > wheel > for 38 mm I will be set. I am sure some folks have found these or > similar > products, but not all. > > > > Marty > > _______________________________________________ > xRockets mailing list > xRockets at blastzone.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/xrockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- I started using the cylinder hone method a couple of years ago, after hearing from Fred how fast his cleanup was going. It works great on commercial casings too. I used to spend a lot of time in cleanup, and now it is done in just minutes. ? In my experience the anodizing isn't affected (as long as the hone stones themselves never contact the aluminum). I wrap each stone individually with a green Scotch scrubbing pad, and that prevents the stone from scratching the anodizing, while allowing each arm to swing outward for maximum pressure on the inside diameter of the casing. ? My only negative experience with it is getting my hand pinched by the hone when the arms swing out all the way. An automotive cylinder hone has a really strong central spring, and if you hold it by the middle when you pull it out of the casing, it can suddenly spring out and pinch really hard! :-) ? --- Adrian On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Greg Deputy < mailto:greg at blastzone.com greg at blastzone.com > wrote: How well does the anodizing put up with that? -----Original Message----- From: mailto:xrockets-bounces at blastzone.com xrockets-bounces at blastzone.com [mailto: mailto:xrockets-bounces at blastzone.com xrockets-bounces at blastzone.com ] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:03 AM To: Marty Weiser; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ; Northwest Experimental Rocketry Subject: Re: [xRockets] [RocketsNW] Case cleaning We use automobile hones. Buy a main cylinder (for 75 & 98mm) or brake cylinder hone (54mm) and a drill extension. Depending on the severity of the dirt, wrap the hone in a light (Costco) shop towel or large scotch-brite pads. Use straight Simple Green or 99% Isopropyl Alcohol...both cut grease pretty well. A few minutes spin of your drill with the hone from both ends Followed by a rinse and a little clean up for the snap ring groves, and you are done. By far the fastest and easiest way we've found. -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Marty Weiser Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:51 PM To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ; 'Northwest Experimental Rocketry' Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the hardware store. ?For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4" flap wheel (blue - med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some mechanics hand cleaner. ?For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5" fine grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the scotch brite flaps. ?Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner. I had previously used a 3" Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm. ?Now if I can only find a similar wheel for 38 mm I will be set. ?I am sure some folks have found these or similar products, but not all. Marty _______________________________________________ xRockets mailing list mailto:xRockets at blastzone.com xRockets at blastzone.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/xrockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/xrockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From dmrandall at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 10:47:22 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:47:22 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning In-Reply-To: <79FD08A359FD4B968CA43112DFAE3B50@WeiserAdminPC> References: <79FD08A359FD4B968CA43112DFAE3B50@WeiserAdminPC> Message-ID: <6bc920e40810061047n53a736d7u9ec3bebd03bf8d3@mail.gmail.com> I've recently turned a set of 4 hardwood (alder) "dowels" that fit inside my 75, 54, 38 and 29mm commercial cases with just enough room for a baby wipe to go around the outside. I varnished them to prevent them from absorbing moisture from the baby wipe and expanding inside the motor. One end is tapered to allow easy insertion with the baby wipe, the other end is just small enough to fit inside the motor casing so that it can be used to push out a stuck liner. Testing on my already-clean motors removed a bit more black crud. I suspect the standard "ring of black" that is encrusted on the casing may still require some scrubbing. And, for commercial motors, I can't recommend enough the effectiveness of a toothpick to get into the threads. Dave On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Marty Weiser wrote: > I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the hardware store. For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4?? flap wheel (blue ??" med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some mechanics hand cleaner. For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5?? fine grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the scotch brite flaps. Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner. I had previously used a 3?? Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm. Now if I can only find a similar wheel for 38 mm I will be set. I am sure some folks have found these or similar products, but not all. > > Marty > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From greg at blastzone.com Mon Oct 6 12:15:49 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:15:49 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone from Seattle area heading to Brothers? Message-ID: <141401c927e7$f1a39cd0$d4ead670$@com> Trying to get a couple 10" airframes and nosecone to Adrian, is anyone up here (seattle/Tacoma area) planning on heading to the Brothers launch this weekend with some extra space? From greg at bigredbee.com Mon Oct 6 12:17:26 2008 From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:17:26 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone from Seattle area heading to Brothers? In-Reply-To: <141401c927e7$f1a39cd0$d4ead670$@com> References: <141401c927e7$f1a39cd0$d4ead670$@com> Message-ID: That's a LOT of extra space ;) On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Greg Deputy wrote: > Trying to get a couple 10" airframes and nosecone to Adrian, is anyone up > here (seattle/Tacoma area) planning on heading to the Brothers launch this > weekend with some extra space? > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- That's a LOT of extra space ;) On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Greg Deputy < mailto:greg at blastzone.com greg at blastzone.com > wrote: Trying to get a couple 10" airframes and nosecone to Adrian, is anyone up here (seattle/Tacoma area) planning on heading to the Brothers launch this weekend with some extra space? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at blastzone.com Mon Oct 6 12:19:41 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:19:41 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone from Seattle area heading to Brothers? In-Reply-To: References: <141401c927e7$f1a39cd0$d4ead670$@com> Message-ID: <142301c927e8$7c1bea70$7453bf50$@com> True. J From: bigredbee at gmail.com [mailto:bigredbee at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:17 PM To: Greg Deputy Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anyone from Seattle area heading to Brothers? That's a LOT of extra space ;) On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Greg Deputy wrote: Trying to get a couple 10" airframes and nosecone to Adrian, is anyone up here (seattle/Tacoma area) planning on heading to the Brothers launch this weekend with some extra space? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- True.? J ? From: bigredbee at gmail.com [mailto:bigredbee at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:17 PM To: Greg Deputy Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Anyone from Seattle area heading to Brothers? ? That's a LOT of extra space ;) On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Greg Deputy < mailto:greg at blastzone.com greg at blastzone.com > wrote: Trying to get a couple 10" airframes and nosecone to Adrian, is anyone up here (seattle/Tacoma area) planning on heading to the Brothers launch this weekend with some extra space? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From rcdm at outlawnet.com Mon Oct 6 12:17:34 2008 From: rcdm at outlawnet.com (Moorehead) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:17:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning References: <79FD08A359FD4B968CA43112DFAE3B50@WeiserAdminPC> Message-ID: <007e01c927e8$3c652f90$6503a8c0@DANE> Good stuff on case cleaning, thanks everyone. I've always used baby wipes for my commercial cases ( 54mm and smaller) I've never been real impressed with the results. I noticed Marty mentioned mechanic's hand cleaner (brand?) and Fred mentioned isopropyl alcohol and Simple Green. Any other favorite solvents? Rod M. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marty Weiser To: rockets at rocketsnw.com ; 'Northwest Experimental Rocketry' Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the hardware store. For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4" flap wheel (blue - med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some mechanics hand cleaner. For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5" fine grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the scotch brite flaps. Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner. I had previously used a 3" Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm. Now if I can only find a similar wheel for 38 mm I will be set. I am sure some folks have found these or similar products, but not all. Marty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Good stuff on case cleaning, thanks everyone. ? I've always used baby wipes for my commercial cases ( 54mm and smaller) I've never been real impressed with the results. I noticed Marty mentioned mechanic's hand cleaner (brand?) and Fred mentioned isopropyl alcohol and Simple Green. ? Any other favorite solvents? ? Rod M. ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:martyweiser at ccser.com Marty Weiser To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com ; mailto:xrockets at blastzone.com 'Northwest Experimental Rocketry' Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the hardware store.? For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4" flap wheel (blue - med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some mechanics hand cleaner.? For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5" fine grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the scotch brite flaps.? Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner.? I had previously used a 3" Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm.? Now if I can only find a similar wheel for 38 mm I will be set.? I am sure some folks have found these or similar products, but not all. ? Marty _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at blastzone.com Mon Oct 6 13:07:43 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:07:43 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning In-Reply-To: <007e01c927e8$3c652f90$6503a8c0@DANE> References: <79FD08A359FD4B968CA43112DFAE3B50@WeiserAdminPC> <007e01c927e8$3c652f90$6503a8c0@DANE> Message-ID: <145001c927ef$31b25e90$95171bb0$@com> I've always used the denatured alcohol that comes in the gallon can at any hardware store. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Moorehead Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:18 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning Good stuff on case cleaning, thanks everyone. I've always used baby wipes for my commercial cases ( 54mm and smaller) I've never been real impressed with the results. I noticed Marty mentioned mechanic's hand cleaner (brand?) and Fred mentioned isopropyl alcohol and Simple Green. Any other favorite solvents? Rod M. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marty Weiser To: rockets at rocketsnw.com ; 'Northwest Experimental Rocketry' Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the hardware store. For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4" flap wheel (blue - med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some mechanics hand cleaner. For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5" fine grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the scotch brite flaps. Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner. I had previously used a 3" Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm. Now if I can only find a similar wheel for 38 mm I will be set. I am sure some folks have found these or similar products, but not all. Marty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From fred.azinger at intel.com Mon Oct 6 13:29:57 2008 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:29:57 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning In-Reply-To: <007e01c927e8$3c652f90$6503a8c0@DANE> References: <79FD08A359FD4B968CA43112DFAE3B50@WeiserAdminPC> <007e01c927e8$3c652f90$6503a8c0@DANE> Message-ID: <509223F0BF55E74FA1247D17207E7A0C038978A1@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> Prices on solvents, as most other things have gone up a lot. Team Hardtail has a fair HW collection, but we also burn a fair number of motors. We get around to cleaning motors every few months, so usually we have a stack of tough customers lined up...they only get harder the longer they sit. Currently, I think Simple Green, used straight up and bought buy the gallon (or more) is the best bang for the buck....cuts the copious grease I use and dissolves the AP residue. I've not seen any evidence of it attacking the anodizing or raw aluminum for short term. But the few forward closures that were left soaking had a weird film and discoloration on them that I didn't like. Since they don't tell you the contents, I have no idea what long term exposure is doing. Also, in general, Simple Green leaves a bit of a film that requires a water rinse. Isopropyl doesn't need this and therefore is the better cleaner for field use IMHO. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Moorehead Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:18 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning Good stuff on case cleaning, thanks everyone. I've always used baby wipes for my commercial cases ( 54mm and smaller) I've never been real impressed with the results. I noticed Marty mentioned mechanic's hand cleaner (brand?) and Fred mentioned isopropyl alcohol and Simple Green. Any other favorite solvents? Rod M. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marty Weiser To: rockets at rocketsnw.com ; 'Northwest Experimental Rocketry' Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the hardware store. For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4" flap wheel (blue - med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some mechanics hand cleaner. For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5" fine grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the scotch brite flaps. Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner. I had previously used a 3" Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm. Now if I can only find a similar wheel for 38 mm I will be set. I am sure some folks have found these or similar products, but not all. Marty ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Oct 6 13:59:41 2008 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:59:41 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning Message-ID: In a message dated 10/6/2008 12:38:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rcdm at outlawnet.com writes: Any other favorite solvents?>> WD-40 or Industrial 336. Mike F. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 10/6/2008 12:38:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rcdm at outlawnet.com writes: Any other favorite solvents?>> ? WD-40 or Industrial 336. ? Mike F. ? New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001 Try it out ! From dmrandall at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 16:15:34 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:15:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6bc920e40810061615n67db0845p35d6a5aa2a9c33a3@mail.gmail.com> On the opposite side, I tried a commercial gun cleaner (Kleen Bore #10) and was very disappointed. Didn't cut nearly as well as either vinegar & water, or baby wipes. Dave On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:59 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 10/6/2008 12:38:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rcdm at outlawnet.com writes: > Any other favorite solvents?>> > > WD-40 or Industrial 336. > > Mike F. > > New > MapQuest Local > shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001 Try it out > ! > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com Mon Oct 6 16:32:03 2008 From: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com (john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:32:03 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40810061615n67db0845p35d6a5aa2a9c33a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bc920e40810061615n67db0845p35d6a5aa2a9c33a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688E0A4C9BF@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> I use GoJo waterless hand cleaner (w/o pumice) for the first cut, and vinegar for a second pass if needed. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:16 PM To: Mfreptiles at aol.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning On the opposite side, I tried a commercial gun cleaner (Kleen Bore #10) and was very disappointed. Didn't cut nearly as well as either vinegar & water, or baby wipes. Dave On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:59 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 10/6/2008 12:38:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rcdm at outlawnet.com writes: > Any other favorite solvents?>> > > WD-40 or Industrial 336. > > Mike F. > > New > MapQuest Local > shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001 Try it out > ! > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From appusher at q.com Mon Oct 6 17:27:13 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 00:27:13 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone from Seattle area heading to Brothers? In-Reply-To: <141401c927e7$f1a39cd0$d4ead670$@com> References: <141401c927e7$f1a39cd0$d4ead670$@com> Message-ID: Greg, Dave and I are going to Brothers this weekend. I'm not sure how much space we'll have but should be able to fit it in. I'll have Dave hold it in his lap for ya. ;*) EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: greg at blastzone.com> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:15:49 -0700> Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone from Seattle area heading to Brothers?> > Trying to get a couple 10" airframes and nosecone to Adrian, is anyone up> here (seattle/Tacoma area) planning on heading to the Brothers launch this> weekend with some extra space?> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- Greg, Dave and I are going to Brothers this weekend.? I'm not sure how much space we'll have but should be able to fit it in.? I'll have Dave hold it in his lap for ya.? ;*) http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: greg at blastzone.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:15:49 -0700 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Anyone from Seattle area heading to Brothers? > > Trying to get a couple 10" airframes and nosecone to Adrian, is anyone up > here (seattle/Tacoma area) planning on heading to the Brothers launch this > weekend with some extra space? > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From brodwcjj at integrity.com Mon Oct 6 18:30:26 2008 From: brodwcjj at integrity.com (brodwcjj at integrity.com) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:30:26 -0500 Subject: [RocketsNW] OT asteroid to burn up over Africa in 90 minutes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081006203026.20661z3s11841cys@wm.integrity.com> Off topic: Small asteroid to fireball over Africa in about 90 minutes: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081006/ap_on_sc/sci_falling_asteroid and No, my name is not chicken-little ! %-P Dustin From martyweiser at ccser.com Mon Oct 6 19:32:31 2008 From: martyweiser at ccser.com (Marty Weiser) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:32:31 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning In-Reply-To: <007e01c927e8$3c652f90$6503a8c0@DANE> Message-ID: I think I used GoJo without pumice as John listed. Of the of the Dawg Pack uses Simple Green, particularly the wipes if you can find them because they are tougher and have more texture than baby wipes. Just don't mistake them for baby wipes for selected other uses. Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Moorehead Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:18 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning Good stuff on case cleaning, thanks everyone. I've always used baby wipes for my commercial cases ( 54mm and smaller) I've never been real impressed with the results. I noticed Marty mentioned mechanic's hand cleaner (brand?) and Fred mentioned isopropyl alcohol and Simple Green. Any other favorite solvents? Rod M. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marty Weiser To: rockets at rocketsnw.com ; 'Northwest Experimental Rocketry' Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the hardware store. For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4" flap wheel (blue - med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some mechanics hand cleaner. For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5" fine grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the scotch brite flaps. Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner. I had previously used a 3" Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm. Now if I can only find a similar wheel for 38 mm I will be set. I am sure some folks have found these or similar products, but not all. Marty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From stevet19759 at comcast.net Mon Oct 6 23:27:39 2008 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:27:39 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EB015B.7000103@comcast.net> The following warning was widely posted several years ago. I don't know enough about the metallurgy (especially in regard to *anodized* aluminum) or about how differences in dilution, wash time, etc. might affect this issue. Does anyone have any further information? -ST It has been brought to the attention of the U.S. Army Aviation Missile Command (AMCOM) Depot Maintenance Engineering Team that numerous units are using the commercial product SIMPLE GREEN as an aircraft wash. STOP! This product has been through Department of Defense (DOD) testing and was determined to be highly corrosive on aircraft aluminum and also a catalyst for Hydrogen Embrittlement in high strength aircraft alloys. Hydrogen Embrittlement brought down Chinook 89-00173 on 10 October 1992, near Fort Richardson, Alaska. While a highly effective cleaning agent for floors and non-aluminum / non-high strength alloy vehicles this product is not approved for aviation usage. If your unit has been using SIMPLE GREEN on a regular basis, it is recommended that a thorough fresh water wash with the approved cleaners per the appropriate airframe maintenance manuals be accomplished as soon as practicable. This should be followed up with a corrosion inspection / treatment and application of approved Corrosion Prevention Compounds (CPCs). links: http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/ma.../cleaners.html and https://safety.army.mil/pages/media/.../ffmar2000.doc (.doc) Marty Weiser wrote: > I think I used GoJo without pumice as John listed. Of the of the Dawg Pack > uses Simple Green, particularly the wipes if you can find them because they > are tougher and have more texture than baby wipes. Just don't mistake them > for baby wipes for selected other uses. > > Marty > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Moorehead > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:18 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning > > Good stuff on case cleaning, thanks everyone. > > I've always used baby wipes for my commercial cases ( 54mm and smaller) I've > never been real impressed with the results. I noticed Marty mentioned > mechanic's hand cleaner (brand?) and Fred mentioned isopropyl alcohol and > Simple Green. > > Any other favorite solvents? > > Rod M. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marty Weiser > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com ; 'Northwest Experimental Rocketry' > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:50 PM > Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning > > > I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the hardware > store. For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4" flap wheel (blue - > med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some > mechanics hand cleaner. For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5" fine > grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the scotch > brite flaps. Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner. I > had previously used a 3" Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in > size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm. Now if I can only find a similar > wheel > for 38 mm I will be set. I am sure some folks have found these or similar > products, but not all. > > > > Marty > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From ghuber at landacorp.com Tue Oct 7 10:26:26 2008 From: ghuber at landacorp.com (Geoff Huber) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:26:26 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning In-Reply-To: <48EB015B.7000103@comcast.net> References: <48EB015B.7000103@comcast.net> Message-ID: That's why they came out with an Aircraft safe version of Simple Green http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/09-00809.php -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Steve Tarr Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:28 PM To: Marty Weiser Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning The following warning was widely posted several years ago. I don't know enough about the metallurgy (especially in regard to *anodized* aluminum) or about how differences in dilution, wash time, etc. might affect this issue. Does anyone have any further information? -ST It has been brought to the attention of the U.S. Army Aviation Missile Command (AMCOM) Depot Maintenance Engineering Team that numerous units are using the commercial product SIMPLE GREEN as an aircraft wash. STOP! This product has been through Department of Defense (DOD) testing and was determined to be highly corrosive on aircraft aluminum and also a catalyst for Hydrogen Embrittlement in high strength aircraft alloys. Hydrogen Embrittlement brought down Chinook 89-00173 on 10 October 1992, near Fort Richardson, Alaska. While a highly effective cleaning agent for floors and non-aluminum / non-high strength alloy vehicles this product is not approved for aviation usage. If your unit has been using SIMPLE GREEN on a regular basis, it is recommended that a thorough fresh water wash with the approved cleaners per the appropriate airframe maintenance manuals be accomplished as soon as practicable. This should be followed up with a corrosion inspection / treatment and application of approved Corrosion Prevention Compounds (CPCs). links: http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/ma.../cleaners.html and https://safety.army.mil/pages/media/.../ffmar2000.doc (.doc) Marty Weiser wrote: > I think I used GoJo without pumice as John listed. Of the of the Dawg Pack > uses Simple Green, particularly the wipes if you can find them because they > are tougher and have more texture than baby wipes. Just don't mistake them > for baby wipes for selected other uses. > > Marty > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Moorehead > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:18 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning > > Good stuff on case cleaning, thanks everyone. > > I've always used baby wipes for my commercial cases ( 54mm and smaller) I've > never been real impressed with the results. I noticed Marty mentioned > mechanic's hand cleaner (brand?) and Fred mentioned isopropyl alcohol and > Simple Green. > > Any other favorite solvents? > > Rod M. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marty Weiser > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com ; 'Northwest Experimental Rocketry' > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:50 PM > Subject: [RocketsNW] Case cleaning > > > I found a couple of more solutions to cleaning cases today at the hardware > store. For the 98 mm case I got a Disco Nyalox 4" flap wheel (blue - > med/fine grade) and put it on a couple of drill bit extensions with some > mechanics hand cleaner. For the 54 mm I got a 3M Scotch-Brite 2.5" fine > grain finishing sander wheel and cut out the sand paper between the scotch > brite flaps. Once again it worked like a charm with the hand cleaner. I > had previously used a 3" Disco Nyalox wheel brush that I had cut down in > size with a pair of dykes for 75 mm. Now if I can only find a similar > wheel > for 38 mm I will be set. I am sure some folks have found these or similar > products, but not all. > > > > Marty > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Scanned with Copfilter Version 0.84beta3a (ProxSMTP 1.6) AntiSpam: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 AntiVirus: ClamAV 0.91.2/8381 - Mon Oct 6 18:15:57 2008 by Markus Madlener @ http://www.copfilter.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Scanned with Copfilter Version 0.84beta3a (ProxSMTP 1.6) AntiVirus: ClamAV 0.91.2/8384 - Tue Oct 7 03:37:18 2008 by Markus Madlener @ http://www.copfilter.org From bartwoffee at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 16:07:09 2008 From: bartwoffee at hotmail.com (Bartwoffee Plutz) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:07:09 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Black powder source Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can get black powder in the Seattle area? All I can find is Pyrodex, and that doesn't seem to work as well as the "real stuff". Thanks Bill Wyvel _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- Does anyone know where I can get black powder in the Seattle area?? All I can find is Pyrodex, and that doesn't seem to work as well as the "real stuff". ? Thanks Bill Wyvel Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_getmore_092008 Learn Now From carl at mousetrap.com Tue Oct 7 16:22:07 2008 From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:22:07 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Black powder source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kesselring in Burlington carries it: http://www.kesselrings.com/servlet/StoreFront. I believe there is a gun shop in Puyallup that also carries it, but I don't know the name of the place off the top of my head. I'm sure somebody from the area will know. - Carl On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Bartwoffee Plutz wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get black powder in the Seattle area? All I > can find is Pyrodex, and that doesn't seem to work as well as the "real > stuff". > > Thanks > Bill Wyvel > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_getmore_092008Learn Now > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- Kesselring in Burlington carries it: http://www.kesselrings.com/servlet/StoreFront http://www.kesselrings.com/servlet/StoreFront . I believe there is a gun shop in Puyallup that also carries it, but I don't know the name of the place off the top of my head. I'm sure somebody from the area will know. ?- Carl On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Bartwoffee Plutz < mailto:bartwoffee at hotmail.com bartwoffee at hotmail.com > wrote: Does anyone know where I can get black powder in the Seattle area?? All I can find is Pyrodex, and that doesn't seem to work as well as the "real stuff". ? Thanks Bill Wyvel Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns%21550F681DAD532637%215295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_getmore_092008 http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_getmore_092008 Learn Now _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From robert.krausert at intel.com Tue Oct 7 16:28:53 2008 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:28:53 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Black powder source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1069910B@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Great source, http://www.powderinc.com/ They will to your home. Minimum order is 6, so get some friends together, and do a combined order. No LEUP required. They only require to mail them a hold-harmless and that it will be used for specific purposes. Sporting is the one I use. Rocketry is a sport, and I used Sporting at the reason for use. Price is also very good. I purchased last year, and at my door in about a week. 4F is available. BTW. Use 4F blackpowder. Pyrodex is really dirty and even the blackpowder rifle version Pryodex burns much slower than a true 4F BP. Dirty, and also the slower burn exposes your shock cord to extreme heat for a longer period of time. While BP is still really hot, the flash time is shorter. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bartwoffee Plutz Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:07 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Black powder source Does anyone know where I can get black powder in the Seattle area? All I can find is Pyrodex, and that doesn't seem to work as well as the "real stuff". Thanks Bill Wyvel _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From dmobley at rocketryplanet.com Tue Oct 7 17:07:19 2008 From: dmobley at rocketryplanet.com (Darrell D. Mobley) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:07:19 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] Black powder source In-Reply-To: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1069910B@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <200810080007.m98077bT025277@www.uhostme.com> http://www.grafs.com/powders/3522 Minimum order is one can, and they deliver to your door. > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Krausert, Robert > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 7:29 PM > To: Bartwoffee Plutz; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Black powder source > > Great source, http://www.powderinc.com/ > > They will to your home. Minimum order is 6, so get some friends together, > and do a combined order. No LEUP required. They only require to mail them > a hold-harmless and that it will be used for specific purposes. Sporting > is the one I use. Rocketry is a sport, and I used Sporting at the reason > for use. Price is also very good. I purchased last year, and at my door in > about a week. 4F is available. > > BTW. Use 4F blackpowder. Pyrodex is really dirty and even the blackpowder > rifle version Pryodex burns much slower than a true 4F BP. Dirty, and also > the slower burn exposes your shock cord to extreme heat for a longer > period of time. While BP is still really hot, the flash time is shorter. > > Cheers, > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Bartwoffee Plutz > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:07 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Black powder source > > Does anyone know where I can get black powder in the Seattle area? All I > can find is Pyrodex, and that doesn't seem to work as well as the "real > stuff". > > Thanks > Bill Wyvel > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog- > cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 18:32:37 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:32:37 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] OROC Rocketober October 10th - 12th Message-ID: <004b01c928e5$c1909670$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Thank you Randy Birzer, waiver is ready with FAA and the National Guard. You've all likely read my long emails promoting the launch event. Not this time. I wish everyone a fantasic time. Seeing old friends, meeting new ones... This should be a good time by all. Have a great time out there on the sage. Best Regards, Robert Proud member of OregonRocketry It you got um, fly um. If you fly um, fly um high. Make your brothers (and sisters) proud. Flyin with you in 09. -------------- next part -------------- Thank you Randy Birzer, waiver is?ready with FAA and the National Guard. ? You've all likely read my long emails promoting the launch event. Not this time. I wish everyone a fantasic time. Seeing old friends, meeting new ones... This should be a good time by all. Have a great time out there on the sage. ? Best Regards, Robert Proud member of OregonRocketry ? It you got um, fly um. If you fly um, fly um high. Make your brothers (and sisters) proud. Flyin with you?in 09. ? From jjarmitage at earthlink.net Tue Oct 7 22:06:41 2008 From: jjarmitage at earthlink.net (John Armitage) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:06:41 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Black powder source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A461FB21DD74BC4A3AE2BDE038AF63C@dadsnotebook> Puyallup store is Muzzelloader's Supply on River Road 'bout half way between I-5 and Puyallup Carries Goex john -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Carl Hamilton Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:22 PM To: Bartwoffee Plutz Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Black powder source Kesselring in Burlington carries it: http://www.kesselrings.com/servlet/StoreFront. I believe there is a gun shop in Puyallup that also carries it, but I don't know the name of the place off the top of my head. I'm sure somebody from the area will know. - Carl On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Bartwoffee Plutz wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get black powder in the Seattle area? All I > can find is Pyrodex, and that doesn't seem to work as well as the "real > stuff". > > Thanks > Bill Wyvel > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!55 0F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_getmore_092008Learn Now > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From greg at bigredbee.com Wed Oct 8 05:54:52 2008 From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 05:54:52 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] Brothers' weather forecast for this weekend... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bring firewood! On 10/7/08, Rob Lamb wrote: > > > www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=BROTHERS%20ORGON&wuSelect=WEATHER > > > > On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Jjcllc03 at aol.com wrote: > > > Has anyone heard anything about the weather at Brothers this weekend? > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > New *MapQuest Local* shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, > Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > ! > _______________________________________________ > Members mailing list > Members at oregonrocketry.org > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members > > > > > > > > rob lamb > > boxbau > p: 503 245 4847 > www.boxbau.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Members mailing list > Members at oregonrocketry.org > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members > > -------------- next part -------------- On 10/7/08, Rob Lamb < mailto:rob at boxbau.com rob at boxbau.com > wrote: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=BROTHERS%20ORGON&wuSelect=WEATHER www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=BROTHERS%20ORGON&wuSelect=WEATHER On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:46 PM, mailto:Jjcllc03 at aol.com Jjcllc03 at aol.com wrote: Has anyone heard anything about the weather at Brothers this weekend? Jack ? New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001 Try it out ! _______________________________________________ Members mailing list mailto:Members at oregonrocketry.org Members at oregonrocketry.org http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members ? rob lamb boxbau p:? 503 245 4847 http://www.boxbau.com/ www.boxbau.com ? _______________________________________________ Members mailing list mailto:Members at oregonrocketry.org Members at oregonrocketry.org http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members From aaronfogg at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 07:40:47 2008 From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:40:47 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield OCT Launch Location Message-ID: Are we going to be at the track or the ranch in October? If the track can someone please post directions. Thanks Aaron Fogg -------------- next part -------------- Are we going to be at the track or the ranch in October? If the track can someone please post directions. Thanks Aaron Fogg From kent.newman at comcast.net Wed Oct 8 07:46:24 2008 From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:46:24 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield OCT Launch Location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/mansfield.php -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Fogg Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:41 AM To: NWR list Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield OCT Launch Location Are we going to be at the track or the ranch in October? If the track can someone please post directions. Thanks Aaron Fogg From daron at daronjohnson.com Wed Oct 8 07:47:57 2008 From: daron at daronjohnson.com (Daron Johnson) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:47:57 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [personal] Mansfield OCT Launch Location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002d01c92954$dd836fa0$988a4ee0$@com> I think you mean if it's at the Ranch you need directions. I think Kent (or someone in the club) has the GPS coordinates. I remember seeing them posted one time earlier this year. -Daron -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Fogg Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:41 AM To: NWR list Subject: [personal] [RocketsNW] Mansfield OCT Launch Location Are we going to be at the track or the ranch in October? If the track can someone please post directions. Thanks Aaron Fogg From aaronfogg at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 07:50:48 2008 From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:50:48 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield OCT Launch Location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah sorry guys I am looking for directions to the ranch not the track. Thanks Aaron Fogg On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Kent Newman wrote: > http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/mansfield.php > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Aaron Fogg > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:41 AM > To: NWR list > Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield OCT Launch Location > > Are we going to be at the track or the ranch in October? > If the track can someone please post directions. > > > > Thanks > Aaron Fogg > > > -------------- next part -------------- Yeah sorry guys I am looking for directions to the ranch not the track. Thanks Aaron Fogg On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Kent Newman < mailto:kent.newman at comcast.net kent.newman at comcast.net > wrote: http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/mansfield.php http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/mansfield.php -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Aaron Fogg Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:41 AM To: NWR list Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield OCT Launch Location Are we going to be at the track or the ranch in October? If the track can someone please post directions. Thanks Aaron Fogg From dennys at carnitech.net Wed Oct 8 07:51:31 2008 From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:51:31 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield OCT Launch Location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE2005105D02D3@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> The launch in October will be at the Sportsman's club, in Mansfield near the high-school. Same venue we as FITS. Denny -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Fogg [mailto:aaronfogg at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:51 AM To: Kent Newman; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield OCT Launch Location Yeah sorry guys I am looking for directions to the ranch not the track. Thanks Aaron Fogg On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Kent Newman wrote: > http://www.washingtonaerospace.org/mansfield.php > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Aaron Fogg > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:41 AM > To: NWR list > Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield OCT Launch Location > > Are we going to be at the track or the ranch in October? > If the track can someone please post directions. > > > > Thanks > Aaron Fogg > > > From tnetcenter at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 18:01:13 2008 From: tnetcenter at gmail.com (Jeff Moore) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:01:13 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] Brothers' weather forecast for thisweekend... References: Message-ID: <003b01c929aa$87d174c0$ef8464d0@TNTCENTER> I'm going to try to bring out a trailer load of firewood, courtesy of Hoodoo Ski Area (Matthew McFarland) Thursday afternoon. This will be long boards with lots of nails stripped off of a roof (the sheeting), probably some rounds, and other misc firewood. Most of this will need to be cut to length or split, but hey, free is good! Jeff Moore BORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Clark" Bring firewood! On 10/7/08, Rob Lamb wrote: > > > www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=BROTHERS%20ORGON&wuSelect=WEATHER > > > > On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Jjcllc03 at aol.com wrote: > > > Has anyone heard anything about the weather at Brothers this weekend? > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > New *MapQuest Local* shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, > Movies, Events, News & more. Try it > out > ! > _______________________________________________ > Members mailing list > Members at oregonrocketry.org > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members > > > > > > > > rob lamb > > boxbau > p: 503 245 4847 > www.boxbau.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Members mailing list > Members at oregonrocketry.org > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From eugeneinspection at comcast.net Thu Oct 9 08:28:12 2008 From: eugeneinspection at comcast.net (Randy Birzer) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:28:12 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rocktober Message-ID: <6B045A55E27741B8A85C13A1548DAFF6@Toshiba17> Does anyone want to fly before 11am this Friday at Brothers. I am not sure when I will arrive, should be no later than 11am, as long as there is not too much snow on the pass! Randy Birzer Launch Director OregonRocketry Birzer Home Inspection LLC 541-554-1217 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1714 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:01 AM -------------- next part -------------- ? ? ? Does anyone want to fly before 11am this Friday at Brothers. ? I am not sure when I will arrive, should be no later than 11am, as long as there is not too much snow on the pass! ? ? ? Randy Birzer Launch Director OregonRocketry Birzer Home Inspection LLC 541-554-1217 ? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1714 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:01 AM From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Thu Oct 9 10:12:51 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:12:51 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX going to the Moon with the Falcon 1e Message-ID: <48EE3B93.2080904@earthlink.net> http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/whats-next-at-s.html Next for SpaceX: Falcon 9, NASA, Humans and the Moon? By Loretta Hidalgo Whitesides (excerpt) With a successful Falcon 1 launch under their belt, SpaceX has set its sights on hauling cargo for NASA with the larger Falcon 9 rocket, transporting crews to the International Space Station in its Dragon capsule, and landing on the Moon with a modified Falcon 1 rocket. For those who are looking for a low-cost way to get beyond low Earth orbit, SpaceX will be rolling out the Falcon 1e, a special version of the Falcon 1 they are building with the $20-million Google Lunar X Prize in mind. The $7.9 million Falcon 1 can launch 925 pounds to low Earth orbit which is not enough to get a spacecraft to the moon. The Falcon 1e, however, will be able to lift around 2,230 pounds and will still only cost $9.1 million** (a Falcon 9 lunar launch would cost $46.75 million ? more than the prize itself). SpaceX expects to roll out the Falcon 1e by 2010, well before the prize expires on December 31, 2012. http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/ Falcon 1e Lunar Capability Guide (1.2 MB PDF file) http://www.spacex.com/FalconLunarCapabilityGuide.pdf Falcon 1/1e Payload User's Guide (2 MB PDF file) http://www.spacex.com/Falcon1UsersGuide.pdf X Prize forum discussing this topic http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/forum-glxp/viewtopic.php?p=1881 ** - Falcon 1e needs a ?kick motor? to launch a payload to the Moon. From appusher at q.com Fri Oct 10 05:04:40 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:04:40 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Brothers launch reminder Message-ID: Just a reminder that PSP will be ariving at Brothers about 5 or 6 pm. We can only accept cash or checks. We have a pretty good stock accross the board of 29, 38, and some 54's. The Hobby line is ok but lots of holes in the favorite delays. We will be onsite till somewhere around 12 noon on sunday. Thanks to those that pre-ordered, we were able to arrange for some that we didn't have for you. As they say.... See you in the sage EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me -------------- next part -------------- Just a reminder that PSP will be ariving at Brothers about 5 or 6 pm.? We can only accept cash or checks.? We have a pretty good stock accross the board of 29, 38, and some 54's.? The Hobby line is ok but lots of holes in the favorite delays.? ? We will be onsite till somewhere around 12 noon on sunday.? Thanks to those that pre-ordered, we were able to arrange for some that we didn't have for you. ? As they say.... ? See you in the? sage http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From dennys at carnitech.net Fri Oct 10 07:46:36 2008 From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:46:36 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Brothers launch reminder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B78471D-3466-4726-B912-BCCEB236D9D4@mimectl> Will you take Icelandic Krona? :) Denny From: Bill Munds Sent: Fri 10/10/2008 5:04 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Brothers launch reminder Just a reminder that PSP will be ariving at Brothers about 5 or 6 pm. We can only accept cash or checks. We have a pretty good stock accross the board of 29, 38, and some 54's. The Hobby line is ok but lots of holes in the favorite delays. We will be onsite till somewhere around 12 noon on sunday. Thanks to those that pre-ordered, we were able to arrange for some that we didn't have for you. As they say.... See you in the sage EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me -------------- next part -------------- Will?you take Icelandic Krona? :) Denny From: Bill Munds Sent: Fri 10/10/2008 5:04 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Brothers launch reminder Just a reminder that PSP will be ariving at Brothers about 5 or 6 pm. We can only accept cash or checks. We have a pretty good stock accross the board of 29, 38, and some 54's. The Hobby line is ok but lots of holes in the favorite delays. We will be onsite till somewhere around 12 noon on sunday. Thanks to those that pre-ordered, we were able to arrange for some that we didn't have for you. As they say.... See you in the sage EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me From scott at scottsrockets.com Fri Oct 10 11:42:25 2008 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:42:25 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Brothers launch reminder In-Reply-To: <7B78471D-3466-4726-B912-BCCEB236D9D4@mimectl> References: <7B78471D-3466-4726-B912-BCCEB236D9D4@mimectl> Message-ID: <6A85B44D4B124568B5CBC45B1CE4AA55@Mobile2> Just use a check Denny, he didn't say it had to be good.... Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:47 AM To: Bill Munds Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Brothers launch reminder Will you take Icelandic Krona? :) Denny From: Bill Munds Sent: Fri 10/10/2008 5:04 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Brothers launch reminder Just a reminder that PSP will be ariving at Brothers about 5 or 6 pm. We can only accept cash or checks. We have a pretty good stock accross the board of 29, 38, and some 54's. The Hobby line is ok but lots of holes in the favorite delays. We will be onsite till somewhere around 12 noon on sunday. Thanks to those that pre-ordered, we were able to arrange for some that we didn't have for you. As they say.... See you in the sage EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sat Oct 11 01:30:16 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Brothers launch reminder In-Reply-To: <6A85B44D4B124568B5CBC45B1CE4AA55@Mobile2> References: <7B78471D-3466-4726-B912-BCCEB236D9D4@mimectl> <6A85B44D4B124568B5CBC45B1CE4AA55@Mobile2> Message-ID: <1118.208.100.240.215.1223713816.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Oh, just pay him with Zimbabwe $100,000,000,000 notes. But by now it takes a wheelbarrow of *those* to buy a loaf of bread. +McG+ > Just use a check Denny, he didn't say it had to be good.... > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Denny Smith > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:47 AM > To: Bill Munds > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Brothers launch reminder > > Will you take Icelandic Krona? :) > > Denny > > > > From: Bill Munds > Sent: Fri 10/10/2008 5:04 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Brothers launch reminder > > > Just a reminder that PSP will be ariving at Brothers about 5 or 6 pm. We > can only accept cash or checks. We have a pretty good stock accross the > board of 29, 38, and some 54's. The Hobby line is ok but lots of holes in > the favorite delays. > > We will be onsite till somewhere around 12 noon on sunday. Thanks to > those > that pre-ordered, we were able to arrange for some that we didn't have for > you. > > As they say.... > > See you in the sage > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From absworld at cet.com Sat Oct 11 07:38:12 2008 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob and Ann Yanecek) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:38:12 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Columbia on NOVA Message-ID: <000001c92bae$fe479de0$fad6d9a0$@com> NOVA this week (1900 Tuesday on PBS) is covering the Columbia mission/disaster along with an overall look at the shuttle program. Bob Yanecek No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1716 - Release Date: 10/9/2008 9:44 AM -------------- next part -------------- ? NOVA this week (1900 Tuesday on PBS) is covering the Columbia mission/disaster along with an overall look at the shuttle program. ? Bob Yanecek No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1716 - Release Date: 10/9/2008 9:44 AM From aaronfogg at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 11:07:22 2008 From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:07:22 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? Message-ID: I am looking for somewhere locally to purchase a few large syringes for some epoxy injections. Vet? Walgreens? where? Thanks Aaron -------------- next part -------------- I am looking for somewhere locally to purchase a few large syringes for some epoxy injections. Vet? Walgreens? where? Thanks Aaron From aaronfogg at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 11:23:46 2008 From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:23:46 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Local vet. Many in stock and free of charge. :) Thanks Me. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Aaron Fogg wrote: > I am looking for somewhere locally to purchase a few large syringes for > some epoxy injections. Vet? Walgreens? where? > > Thanks > Aaron > -------------- next part -------------- Local vet. Many in stock and free of charge. :) Thanks Me. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Aaron Fogg < mailto:aaronfogg at gmail.com aaronfogg at gmail.com > wrote: I am looking for somewhere locally to purchase a few large syringes for some epoxy injections. Vet? Walgreens? where? Thanks Aaron From raystoner99 at comcast.net Sat Oct 11 11:36:53 2008 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:36:53 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I found some largish (50cc)ones at the local pharmacy... Agriculture supply houses have even larger ones...up to a couple of hundred CC's. Aslin Finch is in the Spokane area...don't know what you'll find on he wet side of the state. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Aaron Fogg Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 11:07 AM To: NWR list Subject: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? I am looking for somewhere locally to purchase a few large syringes for some epoxy injections. Vet? Walgreens? where? Thanks Aaron From mjcunningham1 at comcast.net Sat Oct 11 12:19:24 2008 From: mjcunningham1 at comcast.net (mjcunningham1 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <513669534.104941223752764065.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> There's probably a few people in Pioneer Square you can talk to.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Fogg" To: "NWR list" Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 11:07:22 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? I am looking for somewhere locally to purchase a few large syringes for some epoxy injections. Vet? Walgreens? where? Thanks Aaron _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- There's probably a few people in Pioneer Square you can talk to.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Fogg" To: "NWR list" Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 11:07:22 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? I am looking for somewhere locally to purchase a few large syringes for some epoxy injections. Vet? Walgreens? where? Thanks Aaron _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jpr602 at mac.com Sat Oct 11 12:28:28 2008 From: jpr602 at mac.com (John Roberts) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:28:28 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Brothers Sat. morning - what you're missing Message-ID: http://twitpic.com/fpf9 [from my iPhone] From jpr602 at mac.com Sat Oct 11 12:30:48 2008 From: jpr602 at mac.com (John Roberts) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:30:48 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Brothers Sat. morning - what you're missing Message-ID: <295296DF-A26A-4A70-B886-902E223703A1@mac.com> http://twitpic.com/fpf9 [from my iPhone] From rcdm at outlawnet.com Sat Oct 11 13:07:24 2008 From: rcdm at outlawnet.com (Moorehead) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:07:24 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Brothers Sat. morning - what you're missing References: <295296DF-A26A-4A70-B886-902E223703A1@mac.com> Message-ID: <004601c92bdd$06bdf950$6503a8c0@DANE> Whew! Looks pretty hardcore. Glad I'm sitting here at the keyboard next to a warm CPU! Sunday should be slightly warmer. Rod M. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Roberts To: OROC ; NW Rocketry Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Brothers Sat. morning - what you're missing http://twitpic.com/fpf9 [from my iPhone] _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Whew! Looks pretty hardcore. ? Glad I'm sitting here at the keyboard next to a warm CPU! ? Sunday should be slightly warmer. ? Rod M. ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:jpr602 at mac.com John Roberts To: mailto:members at oregonrocketry.com OROC ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com NW Rocketry Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Brothers Sat. morning - what you're missing http://twitpic.com/fpf9 http://twitpic.com/fpf9 [from my iPhone] _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From stuart at korlon.com Sat Oct 11 16:18:13 2008 From: stuart at korlon.com (Stuart Gaston) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:18:13 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] the shorest model rocket flight ever? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c92bf7$a43baaa0$ecb2ffe0$@com> At least it got off the pad, but barely. Is this a record? The parachute even opened, so it's a complete flight! :-) Good humor! From Sheridan this Sept. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLLatDUV5N8 From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 17:32:30 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:32:30 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] the shorest model rocket flight ever? References: <000001c92bf7$a43baaa0$ecb2ffe0$@com> Message-ID: <009201c92c02$05041480$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> You have something worth submitting to Worlds Records. Do it. Come on... This a complete flight, chute was out, and the chute did work to land it. Go for it. BTW; Drag race also posted. No record there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5lewsC9ZPc Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Gaston" To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] the shorest model rocket flight ever? > At least it got off the pad, but barely. Is this a record? The parachute > even opened, so it's a complete flight! :-) > > Good humor! From Sheridan this Sept. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLLatDUV5N8 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 17:55:29 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:55:29 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] the shorest model rocket flight ever? References: <000001c92bf7$a43baaa0$ecb2ffe0$@com> Message-ID: <009501c92c05$3abd8f90$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Stuart, Send Greg Clark the details. Motor size, delay, rocket name, etc. And have it posted to the OROC records. We normally only track altitude records. Well, this is an altitude record. Rod + launch pad puts you at ~4.5 feet with a sucessful landing under chute. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Gaston" To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] the shorest model rocket flight ever? > At least it got off the pad, but barely. Is this a record? The parachute > even opened, so it's a complete flight! :-) > > Good humor! From Sheridan this Sept. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLLatDUV5N8 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 18:45:54 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:45:54 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] Brothers Sat. morning - what you're missing References: <295296DF-A26A-4A70-B886-902E223703A1@mac.com> Message-ID: <00a601c92c0c$4582a7b0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Brrrr. Just checked weather forecast. Currently 36 degrees. Low tonight is 19, with forecasted wind 25 to 35 mph. The cold I think they can handle. Wind is a different thing. I hope tonight the wind is calm so everyone can enjoy some good chat at the fire. JP's pic this morning with snow on the ground was cool, but better the sky in the image was blue sky. Fly um brothers!!! Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Roberts" To: "OROC" ; "NW Rocketry" Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: [OROC Members] Brothers Sat. morning - what you're missing > http://twitpic.com/fpf9 > > > [from my iPhone] > _______________________________________________ > Members mailing list > Members at oregonrocketry.org > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members From whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 19:18:04 2008 From: whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com (Dietrich Podmajersky) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:18:04 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? In-Reply-To: <513669534.104941223752764065.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <513669534.104941223752764065.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I think Hardwicks carries an assortment. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:19 PM, wrote: > There's probably a few people in Pioneer Square you can talk to.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Fogg" > To: "NWR list" > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 11:07:22 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? > I am looking for somewhere locally to purchase a few large syringes for > some epoxy injections. Vet? Walgreens? where? Thanks Aaron > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- I think Hardwicks carries an assortment.? On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:19 PM, < mailto:mjcunningham1 at comcast.net mjcunningham1 at comcast.net > wrote: There's probably a few people in Pioneer Square you can talk to.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Fogg" < mailto:aaronfogg at gmail.com aaronfogg at gmail.com > To: "NWR list" < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 11:07:22 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? I am looking for somewhere locally to purchase a few large syringes for some epoxy injections. Vet? Walgreens? where? Thanks Aaron _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From jim at jmw29221.com Sat Oct 11 19:59:55 2008 From: jim at jmw29221.com (Jim Wilkerson) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] Brothers Sat. morning - what you're missing In-Reply-To: <00a601c92c0c$4582a7b0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> References: <295296DF-A26A-4A70-B886-902E223703A1@mac.com> <00a601c92c0c$4582a7b0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <20785.71.32.90.68.1223780395.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> I think "Twit Pic" says it all.... :-) Regards Jim > Brrrr. > > Just checked weather forecast. Currently 36 degrees. Low tonight is 19, > with > forecasted wind 25 to 35 mph. > > The cold I think they can handle. Wind is a different thing. I hope > tonight > the wind is calm so everyone can enjoy some good chat at the fire. > > JP's pic this morning with snow on the ground was cool, but better the sky > in the image was blue sky. Fly um brothers!!! > > Cheers, > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Roberts" > To: "OROC" ; "NW Rocketry" > > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:30 PM > Subject: [OROC Members] Brothers Sat. morning - what you're missing > > >> http://twitpic.com/fpf9 >> >> >> [from my iPhone] >> _______________________________________________ >> Members mailing list >> Members at oregonrocketry.org >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members > > _______________________________________________ > Members mailing list > Members at oregonrocketry.org > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members > From dmrandall at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 21:15:08 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:15:08 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? In-Reply-To: References: <513669534.104941223752764065.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <6bc920e40810112115h5a2b90bdu485678d4006da462@mail.gmail.com> Tap Plastics has them too, as well as some nice 100cc mixing cups that are reusable. One store in Bellevue, one store in Seattle. http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=176 Dave On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Dietrich Podmajersky wrote: > I think Hardwicks carries an assortment. > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:19 PM, > < mailto:mjcunningham1 at comcast.net mjcunningham1 at comcast.net >> > wrote: > There's probably a few people in Pioneer Square you can talk to.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Fogg" < mailto:aaronfogg at gmail.com aaronfogg at gmail.com >> > To: "NWR list" < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com >> > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 11:07:22 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? > I am looking for somewhere locally to purchase a few large syringes for some epoxy injections. Vet? Walgreens? where? Thanks Aaron > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Sat Oct 11 21:26:44 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:26:44 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40810112115h5a2b90bdu485678d4006da462@mail.gmail.com> References: <513669534.104941223752764065.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <6bc920e40810112115h5a2b90bdu485678d4006da462@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B301ED2F206@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> You can get these and tongue depressors, etc at great prices right from a medical supply in Belleuve Choice Customer Service 2035 120th Ave. N.E., Suite 201 Bellevue, WA 98005 http://www.choice-med.com They even will do will-call and you can just drive by and pickup. b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 9:15 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? Tap Plastics has them too, as well as some nice 100cc mixing cups that are reusable. One store in Bellevue, one store in Seattle. http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=176 Dave On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Dietrich Podmajersky wrote: > I think Hardwicks carries an assortment. > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:19 PM, > < mailto:mjcunningham1 at comcast.net mjcunningham1 at comcast.net >> > wrote: > There's probably a few people in Pioneer Square you can talk to.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Fogg" < mailto:aaronfogg at gmail.com aaronfogg at gmail.com >> > To: "NWR list" < mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com >> > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 11:07:22 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [RocketsNW] Where to buy syringes? > I am looking for somewhere locally to purchase a few large syringes for some epoxy injections. Vet? Walgreens? where? Thanks Aaron > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sun Oct 12 16:53:06 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] Brothers Sat. morning - what you're missing In-Reply-To: <00a601c92c0c$4582a7b0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> References: <295296DF-A26A-4A70-B886-902E223703A1@mac.com> <00a601c92c0c$4582a7b0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <1161.208.100.241.69.1223855586.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Kinda reminded me of the frozen plains of Mars. Or Titan. Or maybe Sedna at aphelion, 80 billion miles out... Except for the sagebrush of course. But it's not toasty here either. The tomatoes, zucchini and Paulownia tree are definitely finished for the year. Only takes a nip of frost for those! I'll let the hardcore sleep out in the Brothers deep freeze at 19 freakin' degrees. Me, I'm enjoying a nice, warm woodstove these nights. :-) +McG+ > Brrrr. > > Just checked weather forecast. Currently 36 degrees. Low tonight is 19, > with > forecasted wind 25 to 35 mph. > > The cold I think they can handle. Wind is a different thing. I hope > tonight > the wind is calm so everyone can enjoy some good chat at the fire. > > JP's pic this morning with snow on the ground was cool, but better the sky > in the image was blue sky. Fly um brothers!!! > > Cheers, > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Roberts" > To: "OROC" ; "NW Rocketry" > > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:30 PM > Subject: [OROC Members] Brothers Sat. morning - what you're missing > > >> http://twitpic.com/fpf9 >> >> >> [from my iPhone] >> _______________________________________________ >> Members mailing list >> Members at oregonrocketry.org >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members > > _______________________________________________ > Members mailing list > Members at oregonrocketry.org > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Oct 12 17:42:17 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:42:17 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Add-on igniter for pyrogen type igniter patent Message-ID: <48F29969.8010901@earthlink.net> This might interest the EX/Research crowd. Robert http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4391196.html United States Patent 4391196 Disclosed is an add-on pyrotechnic package to a pyrogen igniter for a solid ropellant rocket motor which employs a perforated solid propellant grain. The pyrotechnic package is comprised of a container fabricated out of a material selected from pressed paper, plastic, or metal and contains pyrotechnic pellets selected from boron-potassium nitrate (B/KNO_3 ), aluminum-potassium perchlorate (Al/KClO_4 ), titanium-aluminium-potassium perchlorate (Ti-Al/KClO_4 ), and large granules of black powder. The combination of the pyrogen igniter and the add-on pyrotechnic package when fired performs the functions of sweeping away any propellant components that have migrated to the propellant surfaces or that have formed on the propellant surfaces from chemical reactions, igniting the propellant perforated grain, and maintaining the pressure in the solid propellant rocket motor chamber to achieve more efficient ignition and performance of the rocket motor. More info at webpage. From martyweiser at ccser.com Sun Oct 12 18:50:53 2008 From: martyweiser at ccser.com (Marty Weiser) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:50:53 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Add-on igniter for pyrogen type igniter patent In-Reply-To: <48F29969.8010901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1A8434FF49B443A980813D82101ABC53@WeiserAdminPC> Cool. It was issued in 1981 so it has expired so there are no issues around practicing it. Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:42 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Add-on igniter for pyrogen type igniter patent This might interest the EX/Research crowd. Robert http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4391196.html United States Patent 4391196 Disclosed is an add-on pyrotechnic package to a pyrogen igniter for a solid ropellant rocket motor which employs a perforated solid propellant grain. The pyrotechnic package is comprised of a container fabricated out of a material selected from pressed paper, plastic, or metal and contains pyrotechnic pellets selected from boron-potassium nitrate (B/KNO_3 ), aluminum-potassium perchlorate (Al/KClO_4 ), titanium-aluminium-potassium perchlorate (Ti-Al/KClO_4 ), and large granules of black powder. The combination of the pyrogen igniter and the add-on pyrotechnic package when fired performs the functions of sweeping away any propellant components that have migrated to the propellant surfaces or that have formed on the propellant surfaces from chemical reactions, igniting the propellant perforated grain, and maintaining the pressure in the solid propellant rocket motor chamber to achieve more efficient ignition and performance of the rocket motor. More info at webpage. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From foreveryoung at inlandnet.com Sun Oct 12 23:36:35 2008 From: foreveryoung at inlandnet.com (Bryan Young) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:36:35 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX going to the Moon with the Falcon 1e In-Reply-To: <48EE3B93.2080904@earthlink.net> References: <48EE3B93.2080904@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <026401c92cfe$0a334fa0$1e99eee0$@com> ...What they don't say is how much payload can be sent to the moon with the 1e. From my brief skim of these docs, about 125 lbs (in the worst case) for everything is a pretty small budget to play with. That said, Ethernet over cat 5e cable makes interfacing a lunar probe with the Falcon 1e easy. -B -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:13 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX going to the Moon with the Falcon 1e http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/whats-next-at-s.html Next for SpaceX: Falcon 9, NASA, Humans and the Moon? By Loretta Hidalgo Whitesides (excerpt) With a successful Falcon 1 launch under their belt, SpaceX has set its sights on hauling cargo for NASA with the larger Falcon 9 rocket, transporting crews to the International Space Station in its Dragon capsule, and landing on the Moon with a modified Falcon 1 rocket. For those who are looking for a low-cost way to get beyond low Earth orbit, SpaceX will be rolling out the Falcon 1e, a special version of the Falcon 1 they are building with the $20-million Google Lunar X Prize in mind. The $7.9 million Falcon 1 can launch 925 pounds to low Earth orbit which is not enough to get a spacecraft to the moon. The Falcon 1e, however, will be able to lift around 2,230 pounds and will still only cost $9.1 million** (a Falcon 9 lunar launch would cost $46.75 million - more than the prize itself). SpaceX expects to roll out the Falcon 1e by 2010, well before the prize expires on December 31, 2012. http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/ Falcon 1e Lunar Capability Guide (1.2 MB PDF file) http://www.spacex.com/FalconLunarCapabilityGuide.pdf Falcon 1/1e Payload User's Guide (2 MB PDF file) http://www.spacex.com/Falcon1UsersGuide.pdf X Prize forum discussing this topic http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/forum-glxp/viewtopic.php?p=1881 ** - Falcon 1e needs a 'kick motor' to launch a payload to the Moon. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Mon Oct 13 16:21:28 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Add-on igniter for pyrogen type igniter patent In-Reply-To: <48F29969.8010901@earthlink.net> References: <48F29969.8010901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1151.208.100.240.126.1223940088.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> The gist of the invention is to use an easily added-on package to the existing igniter. The rest is all standard procedure for professional rockets. One thing hobbyists might do well to keep in mind is this line from the patent: "The pyrotechnic container or pyrotechnic package...is constructed of pressed paper, plastic, or thin perforated metal." Think Al foil. Keeps out humidity and shunts away static. ;-) Another hard-core amateur rocket trick outed. +McG+ > This might interest the EX/Research crowd. > > Robert > > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4391196.html > > United States Patent 4391196 > Disclosed is an add-on pyrotechnic package to a pyrogen igniter for a > solid ropellant rocket motor which employs a perforated solid propellant > grain. The pyrotechnic package is comprised of a container fabricated > out of a material selected from pressed paper, plastic, or metal and > contains pyrotechnic pellets selected from boron-potassium nitrate > (B/KNO_3 ), aluminum-potassium perchlorate (Al/KClO_4 ), > titanium-aluminium-potassium perchlorate (Ti-Al/KClO_4 ), and large > granules of black powder. The combination of the pyrogen igniter and the > add-on pyrotechnic package when fired performs the functions of sweeping > away any propellant components that have migrated to the propellant > surfaces or that have formed on the propellant surfaces from chemical > reactions, igniting the propellant perforated grain, and maintaining the > pressure in the solid propellant rocket motor chamber to achieve more > efficient ignition and performance of the rocket motor. > > More info at webpage. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Oct 13 18:37:29 2008 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:37:29 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Add-on igniter for pyrogen type igniter patent Message-ID: This is all common knowledge to those "schooled in the art". :) The primary consideration is not to use something to contain the pyrogen booster that may clog the nozzle or contain the reaction to the point that it goes boom. Like Ken says, tin foil works well, so does just wrapping propellant shavings around the igniter and tying it off with kevlar thread. Mike F. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) -------------- next part -------------- This is all common knowledge to those "schooled in the art". :)? The primary consideration is not to use something to contain the pyrogen booster that may clog the nozzle or contain the reaction to the point that it goes boom. ? Like Ken says, tin foil works well, so does just wrapping propellant shavings around the igniter and tying it off with kevlar thread. ? Mike F. ? ? New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002 Try it out! From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Tue Oct 14 07:42:33 2008 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (steve-c at ix.netcom.com) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:42:33 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [RocketsNW] Paging Bill at PSP Message-ID: <6383614.1223995353531.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hey Bill - please PM me regarding LEUP buddy transactions from last week's OROC launch. Thanks. /Steve From jhadv at pacifier.com Tue Oct 14 09:30:44 2008 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:30:44 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Add-on igniter for pyrogen type igniter patent (Hammer) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20081014092620.00c5e9a8@mail.iinet.com> Many of us already do all that with thermite bags and I personally use a custom pelletized igniter for the same purpose. I think a paper cased package as described in the patent is only necessary for very large motors and quite excessive on bore sizes below 3 inches. At 12:00 PM 10/13/2008 -0700, you wrote: >Send Rockets mailing list submissions to > rockets at rocketsnw.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rockets-request at rocketsnw.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OROC Members] Brothers Sat. morning - what you're > missing (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) > 2. Add-on igniter for pyrogen type igniter patent (Hammer) > 3. Re: Add-on igniter for pyrogen type igniter patent (Marty Weiser) > 4. Re: SpaceX going to the Moon with the Falcon 1e (Bryan Young) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:53:06 -0700 (PDT) >From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [OROC Members] Brothers Sat. morning - what > you're missing >To: "OROC" >Cc: NW Rocketry >Message-ID: > <1161.208.100.241.69.1223855586.squirrel at www.worldaccessnet.com> >Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > >Kinda reminded me of the frozen plains of Mars. Or Titan. Or maybe Sedna >at aphelion, 80 billion miles out... Except for the sagebrush of course. > >But it's not toasty here either. The tomatoes, zucchini and Paulownia >tree are definitely finished for the year. Only takes a nip of frost for >those! > >I'll let the hardcore sleep out in the Brothers deep freeze at 19 freakin' >degrees. Me, I'm enjoying a nice, warm woodstove these nights. :-) >+McG+ > > > > Brrrr. > > > > Just checked weather forecast. Currently 36 degrees. Low tonight is 19, > > with > > forecasted wind 25 to 35 mph. > > > > The cold I think they can handle. Wind is a different thing. I hope > > tonight > > the wind is calm so everyone can enjoy some good chat at the fire. > > > > JP's pic this morning with snow on the ground was cool, but better the sky > > in the image was blue sky. Fly um brothers!!! > > > > Cheers, > > Robert > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Roberts" > > To: "OROC" ; "NW Rocketry" > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:30 PM > > Subject: [OROC Members] Brothers Sat. morning - what you're missing > > > > > >> http://twitpic.com/fpf9 > >> > >> > >> [from my iPhone] > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Members mailing list > >> Members at oregonrocketry.org > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Members mailing list > > Members at oregonrocketry.org > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/members > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:42:17 -0700 >From: Hammer >Subject: [RocketsNW] Add-on igniter for pyrogen type igniter patent >To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >Message-ID: <48F29969.8010901 at earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >This might interest the EX/Research crowd. > >Robert > >http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4391196.html > >United States Patent 4391196 >Disclosed is an add-on pyrotechnic package to a pyrogen igniter for a >solid ropellant rocket motor which employs a perforated solid propellant >grain. The pyrotechnic package is comprised of a container fabricated >out of a material selected from pressed paper, plastic, or metal and >contains pyrotechnic pellets selected from boron-potassium nitrate >(B/KNO_3 ), aluminum-potassium perchlorate (Al/KClO_4 ), >titanium-aluminium-potassium perchlorate (Ti-Al/KClO_4 ), and large >granules of black powder. The combination of the pyrogen igniter and the >add-on pyrotechnic package when fired performs the functions of sweeping >away any propellant components that have migrated to the propellant >surfaces or that have formed on the propellant surfaces from chemical >reactions, igniting the propellant perforated grain, and maintaining the >pressure in the solid propellant rocket motor chamber to achieve more >efficient ignition and performance of the rocket motor. > >More info at webpage. > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:50:53 -0700 >From: "Marty Weiser" >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Add-on igniter for pyrogen type igniter > patent >To: >Message-ID: <1A8434FF49B443A980813D82101ABC53 at WeiserAdminPC> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Cool. It was issued in 1981 so it has expired so there are no issues around >practicing it. > >Marty > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >On Behalf Of Hammer >Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:42 PM >To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: [RocketsNW] Add-on igniter for pyrogen type igniter patent > >This might interest the EX/Research crowd. > >Robert > >http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4391196.html > >United States Patent 4391196 >Disclosed is an add-on pyrotechnic package to a pyrogen igniter for a >solid ropellant rocket motor which employs a perforated solid propellant >grain. The pyrotechnic package is comprised of a container fabricated >out of a material selected from pressed paper, plastic, or metal and >contains pyrotechnic pellets selected from boron-potassium nitrate >(B/KNO_3 ), aluminum-potassium perchlorate (Al/KClO_4 ), >titanium-aluminium-potassium perchlorate (Ti-Al/KClO_4 ), and large >granules of black powder. The combination of the pyrogen igniter and the >add-on pyrotechnic package when fired performs the functions of sweeping >away any propellant components that have migrated to the propellant >surfaces or that have formed on the propellant surfaces from chemical >reactions, igniting the propellant perforated grain, and maintaining the >pressure in the solid propellant rocket motor chamber to achieve more >efficient ignition and performance of the rocket motor. > >More info at webpage. > >_______________________________________________ >Rockets mailing list >Rockets at rocketsnw.com >http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:36:35 -0700 >From: "Bryan Young" >Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] SpaceX going to the Moon with the Falcon 1e >To: "'Hammer'" , > >Message-ID: <026401c92cfe$0a334fa0$1e99eee0$@com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >..What they don't say is how much payload can be sent to the moon with the >1e. From my brief skim of these docs, about 125 lbs (in the worst case) for >everything is a pretty small budget to play with. That said, Ethernet over >cat 5e cable makes interfacing a lunar probe with the Falcon 1e easy. >-B > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >On Behalf Of Hammer >Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:13 AM >To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX going to the Moon with the Falcon 1e > >http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/whats-next-at-s.html > > > Next for SpaceX: Falcon 9, NASA, Humans and the Moon? > >By Loretta Hidalgo Whitesides > >(excerpt) >With a successful Falcon 1 launch under their belt, SpaceX has set its >sights on hauling cargo for NASA with the larger Falcon 9 rocket, >transporting crews to the International Space Station in its Dragon >capsule, and landing on the Moon with a modified Falcon 1 rocket. > >For those who are looking for a low-cost way to get beyond low Earth >orbit, SpaceX will be rolling out the Falcon 1e, a special version of >the Falcon 1 they are building with the $20-million Google Lunar X Prize >in mind. The $7.9 million Falcon 1 can launch 925 pounds to low Earth >orbit which is not enough to get a spacecraft to the moon. The Falcon >1e, however, will be able to lift around 2,230 pounds and will still >only cost $9.1 million** (a Falcon 9 lunar launch would cost $46.75 >million - more than the prize itself). SpaceX expects to roll out the >Falcon 1e by 2010, well before the prize expires on December 31, 2012. > >http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/ > >Falcon 1e Lunar Capability Guide (1.2 MB PDF file) >http://www.spacex.com/FalconLunarCapabilityGuide.pdf > >Falcon 1/1e Payload User's Guide (2 MB PDF file) >http://www.spacex.com/Falcon1UsersGuide.pdf > >X Prize forum discussing this topic >http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/forum-glxp/viewtopic.php?p=1881 > >** - Falcon 1e needs a 'kick motor' to launch a payload to the Moon. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockets mailing list >Rockets at rocketsnw.com >http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Rockets mailing list >Rockets at rocketsnw.com >http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > >End of Rockets Digest, Vol 9, Issue 19 >************************************** From aaronfogg at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 10:26:50 2008 From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:26:50 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tubefins and Mach Message-ID: After poking around the web a bit the general consensus is that Tubefins + mach = Very bad things. I am beta testing a tube fin rocket for a company and we are looking to find the maximum impulse motor it can take. The idea is to load a J570 being 38mm but it sims to mach 1.1, bad. Anyone have any thoughts/experiences with tubefins and mach? The rocksim file and a picture are attached. The rocksim file is using normal fins instead of tube fins. I am sure that makes a difference in drag and velocity but by how much? Thanks Aaron -------------- next part -------------- After poking around the web a bit the general consensus is that Tubefins + mach = Very bad things. I am beta testing a tube fin rocket for a company and we are looking to find the maximum impulse motor it can take. The idea is to load a J570 being 38mm but it sims to mach 1.1, bad. Anyone have any thoughts/experiences with tubefins and mach? The rocksim file and a picture are attached. The rocksim file is using normal fins instead of tube fins. I am sure that makes a difference in drag and velocity but by how much? 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Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "Military power wins battles, but spiritual power wins wars." General George Catlett Marshall -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Fogg Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:27 AM To: NWR list Subject: [RocketsNW] Tubefins and Mach After poking around the web a bit the general consensus is that Tubefins + mach = Very bad things. I am beta testing a tube fin rocket for a company and we are looking to find the maximum impulse motor it can take. The idea is to load a J570 being 38mm but it sims to mach 1.1, bad. Anyone have any thoughts/experiences with tubefins and mach? The rocksim file and a picture are attached. The rocksim file is using normal fins instead of tube fins. I am sure that makes a difference in drag and velocity but by how much? Thanks Aaron From appusher at q.com Tue Oct 14 16:37:32 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:37:32 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] new info for the "M Class" fliers of Aerotech reloads Message-ID: Just got this today. For those flying "M's" or those that are just interested read on..... Dear AeroTech High Power Representative: AeroTech Product Bulletin 2008-2: Hot Weather Advisory For M2030G Reloads AeroTech has become aware of a potential issue affecting the reliability of the M2030G reload kit that fits AeroTech, Dr. Rocket? and Rouse-Tech? RMS-75/5120 hardware. Since May of 2008, there have been two (2) reported failures of RMS motors loaded with M2030G reloads. Both incidents involved ejection of the forward or aft closure at ignition. The failures occurred during a time when the ambient air temperature exceeded 104 degrees F. AeroTech believes that the high ambient air temperatures were a major factor in the failures, as all other M2030G motors operated at lower temperatures have performed normally, including AeroTech's own static testing and those tested during Tripoli Motor Testing (TMT) certification. Customers are advised not to operate M2030G reloads manufactured prior to 9/08 when the ambient air temperatures exceed 90 deg. F at the time of launch. AeroTech is in the process of testing a revised version of the M2030G that will be able to operate in all expected hot weather conditions. This version will likely have a lower average thrust than the M2030G and may be given a different numeric designation. Once the revised M2030G is certified, customers will be given the option of exchanging any older M2030G reloads for the newer version through an authorized AeroTech dealer. Customers must possess a valid Low Explosive User Permit (LEUP) to make this exchange. The new version is expected to be available in early November. As always, AeroTech will honor valid warranty claims for all its products including the M2030G. Customers with questions concerning this product bulletin may contact AeroTech at 435-865-7100 or via email at customerservice at aerotech-rocketry.com. AeroTech appreciates its customers' patience and understanding as we work to resolve this issue. AeroTech Consumer Aerospace is a division of RCS Rocket Motor Components, Inc., Cedar City, UT. -- Sincerely, Diane Carlson AeroTech Division RCS Rocket Motor Components, Inc. 2113 W. 850 N. Cedar City, UT 84721 Ph: 435-865-7100 Ext. 101 Fax: 435-865-7120 Email: dcarlson at aerotech-rocketry.com www.aerotech-rocketry.com t got this today. For those that are L3 or interested in "M's" read on... EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me -------------- next part -------------- Just got this today.? For those flying "M's" or those that are just interested read on..... ? ? ? ? Dear AeroTech High Power Representative: AeroTech Product Bulletin 2008-2: Hot Weather Advisory For M2030G Reloads AeroTech has become aware of a potential issue affecting the reliability of the M2030G reload kit that fits AeroTech, Dr. Rocket? and Rouse-Tech? RMS-75/5120 hardware. Since May of 2008, there have been two (2) reported failures of RMS motors loaded with M2030G reloads. Both incidents involved ejection of the forward or aft closure at ignition. The failures occurred during a time when the ambient air temperature exceeded 104 degrees F. AeroTech believes that the high ambient air temperatures were a major factor in the failures, as all other M2030G motors operated at lower temperatures have performed normally, including AeroTech's own static testing and those tested during Tripoli Motor Testing (TMT) certification. Customers are advised not to operate M2030G reloads manufactured prior to 9/08 when the ambient air temperatures exceed 90 deg. F at the time of launch. AeroTech is in the process of testing a revised version of the M2030G that will be able to operate in all expected hot weather conditions. This version will likely have a lower average thrust than the M2030G and may be given a different numeric designation. Once the revised M2030G is certified, customers will be given the option of exchanging any older M2030G reloads for the newer version through an authorized AeroTech dealer. Customers must possess a valid Low Explosive User Permit (LEUP) to make this exchange. The new version is expected to be available in early November. As always, AeroTech will honor valid warranty claims for all its products including the M2030G. Customers with questions concerning this product bulletin may contact AeroTech at 435-865-7100 or via email at http://webmail.blastzone.com/src/compose.php?send_to=customerservice%40aerotech-rocketry.com customerservice at aerotech-rocketry.com . AeroTech appreciates its customers' patience and understanding as we work to resolve this issue. AeroTech Consumer Aerospace is a division of RCS Rocket Motor Components, Inc., Cedar City, UT. -- Sincerely, Diane Carlson AeroTech Division RCS Rocket Motor Components, Inc. 2113 W. 850 N. Cedar City, UT 84721 Ph: 435-865-7100 Ext. 101 Fax: 435-865-7120 Email: http://webmail.blastzone.com/src/compose.php?send_to=dcarlson%40aerotech-rocketry.com dcarlson at aerotech-rocketry.com www.aerotech-rocketry.com t got this today.? For those that are L3 or interested in "M's" read on... ? ? ? http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Tue Oct 14 20:32:32 2008 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:32:32 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tubefins and Mach In-Reply-To: <776488AD37D246728C194EC000D3B645@downstair> References: <776488AD37D246728C194EC000D3B645@downstair> Message-ID: <48F56450.4040205@hawkfeather.com> It was the first Sport Rocketry this year. Can't lay my hands on it right now, but I think it was Jan/Feb. Gist was that Cd of tube fins was pretty bad (twice 3FNC?), some designs had a drop in Cd at middling speeds but some had an inverse bell curve for Cd vs. speed, and that the ones with the Cd drop were stubby designs. I'm pretty sure the research didn't go near Mach. I also remember thinking that the author didn't address the diameter/length ratio of tube fins. HTH, Andrew. Dennis Winningstad wrote: > Aaron, there was an article in one of the big magazines (Sprockitry?) > authored by a guy who did quite a bit-O-research...maybe someone can > recall?? > > Dennis S Winningstad > 503-781-3529 > > "Military power wins battles, but spiritual power wins wars." > General George Catlett Marshall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Aaron Fogg > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:27 AM > To: NWR list > Subject: [RocketsNW] Tubefins and Mach > > After poking around the web a bit the general consensus is that Tubefins + > mach = Very bad things. I am beta testing a tube fin rocket for a company > and we are looking to find the maximum impulse motor it can take. The idea > is to load a J570 being 38mm but it sims to mach 1.1, bad. > > Anyone have any thoughts/experiences with tubefins and mach? > > > The rocksim file and a picture are attached. The rocksim file is using > normal fins instead of tube fins. > I am sure that makes a difference in drag and velocity but by how much? > > Thanks > Aaron > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From raystoner99 at comcast.net Wed Oct 15 17:55:47 2008 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:55:47 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Tubefins and Mach In-Reply-To: <48F56450.4040205@hawkfeather.com> Message-ID: So I'd just load it up with a J570, and fly it...put it on an away cell and call a heads up and see what happens. I've been surprised by the strength of rockets...I've seen a 3" cardboard rocket fly on a L1500, and an unmodified ESTES rocket fly on a 24mm "F" motor... But then I've seen a 3" phenolic rocket reinforced with fiberglass shred on a J350. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Andrew MacMillen Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:33 PM To: 'NWR list' Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Tubefins and Mach It was the first Sport Rocketry this year. Can't lay my hands on it right now, but I think it was Jan/Feb. Gist was that Cd of tube fins was pretty bad (twice 3FNC?), some designs had a drop in Cd at middling speeds but some had an inverse bell curve for Cd vs. speed, and that the ones with the Cd drop were stubby designs. I'm pretty sure the research didn't go near Mach. I also remember thinking that the author didn't address the diameter/length ratio of tube fins. HTH, Andrew. Dennis Winningstad wrote: > Aaron, there was an article in one of the big magazines (Sprockitry?) > authored by a guy who did quite a bit-O-research...maybe someone can > recall?? > > Dennis S Winningstad > 503-781-3529 > > "Military power wins battles, but spiritual power wins wars." > General George Catlett Marshall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Aaron Fogg > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:27 AM > To: NWR list > Subject: [RocketsNW] Tubefins and Mach > > After poking around the web a bit the general consensus is that Tubefins + > mach = Very bad things. I am beta testing a tube fin rocket for a company > and we are looking to find the maximum impulse motor it can take. The idea > is to load a J570 being 38mm but it sims to mach 1.1, bad. > > Anyone have any thoughts/experiences with tubefins and mach? > > > The rocksim file and a picture are attached. The rocksim file is using > normal fins instead of tube fins. > I am sure that makes a difference in drag and velocity but by how much? > > Thanks > Aaron > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From fred_bare at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 18:08:44 2008 From: fred_bare at yahoo.com (Fred Bare) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Concerning 60 acres vote next Monday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <943879.31479.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all Rocketeers, This is a very important letter which concerns the voting for the use of 60 acres next Monday.? I hope everyone will send in a email with their concerns .? I have left attached all the letters that were forwarded from my other club SAM 8 freeflighters so you may see the whole thread.? I leave it up to you all to decide if you would like to write an email or not.? If the vote goes the soccer way though we will lose 60 acres? south for 30 years from what I gather. Thank You Greg Wilson WAC &?SAM?8 Roadside Hobbies ? ? --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Homer Smith wrote: From: Homer Smith Subject: [the_great_sam8] FW: Please read this From Sherman concerning Monday Afternoon's Council meeting To: "FAC Squadron" , "the_great_sam8" Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:42 PM This is important. ? Homer From: roycstubbs at mindspri ng.com Subject: Please read this From Sherman concerning Monday Afternoon's Council meeting Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:49:34 -0700 ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Stubbs Subject: Please read this From Sherman concerning Monday Afternoon's Council meeting Hi all, Re: We need your help to Save 60 Acres South. ? ?We (SASS and?concerned residents)?testified before the KC Council on Monday and based on our testimony they put the vote off for a week on the legislation for a thirty year lease with the LWYSA for 60 Acres South.? The council encouraged us to send in more information and concerns.? This is a critical vote and come Monday it will be all over one way or the other. ? For your reference, this?is?my wife's (Lis)?email to the KC Council - see below. ? We?need your help; every email/letter really counts. If you can please write a similar?email before Monday's council meeting.?I'll also attach mine.? It doesn't have to be elaborate or long.?Cut and Paste and/or?use your own words . I'm also sending Sherman Knight's?latest - see below.? There's plenty of ammunition there for any concerned taxpayer and I'll follow up with more examples and information.? ? Council email addresses are: 'kathy.lambert@ kingcounty. gov'; 'pete.vonreichbauer @kingcounty. gov'; 'dow.constantine@ kingcounty. gov'; 'larry.phillips@ kingcounty. gov'; 'julia.patterson@ kingcounty. gov'; 'reagan.dunn@ kingcounty. gov'; 'jane.hague@ kingcounty. gov'; 'larry.gossett@ kingcounty. gov'; 'bob.ferguson@ kingcounty. gov'; 'council at kingcounty .gov' ; 'exec.sims at kingcoun ty.gov' ? If you need a copy of the appeal please email me. ? Thanks for your support, ? Roy ? From: estubbs [mailto:estubbs@ mindspring. com] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:19 PM To: 'kathy.lambert@ kingcounty. gov'; 'pete.vonreichbauer @kingcounty. gov'; 'dow.constantine@ kingcounty. gov'; 'larry.phillips@ kingcounty. gov'; 'julia.patterson@ kingcounty. gov'; 'reagan.dunn@ kingcounty. gov'; 'jane.hague@ kingcounty. gov'; 'larry.gossett@ kingcounty. gov'; 'bob.ferguson@ kingcounty. gov'; 'council at kingcounty .gov' ; 'exec.sims at kingcoun ty.gov' Subject: 60 Acres South ? Dear King County Council Members, ? I would like to express my concern regarding the possible loss of Sixty Acres South as a multipurpose public park to a private concern ? Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association. ? My family has utilized 60 Acres South for over 20 years on a weekly basis in a multiplicity of ways.? I like to picnic there while my husband flies model airplanes.? My children and I have shot rockets there.? I have used it as a springboard for riding on the Sammamish River bike trail.? At one point, we shared the park with a polo club. ? I have always enjoyed the various activities the park is used for even as I use it for my own enjoyment ? I like sharing it with other people.? In my years as a soccer mom, I have found that soccer is an exclusive activity.? In our current inclusive society, that goes against the grain of how our communities function.?? Considering the number of soccer fields in King County, it is a shame that soccer in their greed wants to take over yet another publicly used multiple use park. ? I seriously hope that you will consider the repercussions of allowing soccer to dominate 60 Acres South.? I would like to think that you do not represent just soccer interests but the interests of your whole constituency and vote against giving up 60 Acres South to LWYSA. ? Most sincerely, ? Lis Stubbs estubbs at mindspring. com ? ----- Original Message ----- From: DUWorm at aol.com To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: [SASS_club] From Sherman concerning Monday Afternoon's Council meeting What a day. ? Two from LWYSA spoke, 24 spoke that did not want the lease to go through.? Everyone that testified did a FANTISTIC job.? The council held over the vote for another week while the lease could be further studied.? I felt very good at the end of the public hearing.? ? Now for the fun part.? There will not be a chance to speak publicly before the vote.? However you can send in more letters by email and snail mail.? If you want to call, even better.? ? Now is your chance, maybe your last chance.? So Write, Write and Write.? Send each email to ALL of the council people.? ? Attached is a copy of the appeal.? Look at the statement made by Tim Hill in his letter of 1988.?? Page 16-7? It is a good quote.? Look also to the quote from Jim Ellis.???????Page 11?? Spend some time on the issue of he forward thrust language page 7-8? Read the legal argument. they are rather simple arguments.? Just restate them in your own words.? ? use the quote "to primarily provide outdoor recreation not typically found in the urban environment. "? The council saw the map, I think they might now understand.? ? Read the fact section in the appeal.? It is full of good stuff.? ? For the rest of your letters, try the following; 1.????Public money should not support a 2.6 million dollar company to the exclusion of others. 2.????There is no agreement?with KC or LWYSA, there have been discussions, but nothing close to signing.? 3.????LWYSA has?created a?trust problem.? 4.????the only purpose is to make more money.? 5.????This is the last area to fly model sailplanes?in King county.? 6.????Extinction?not only is a possibility, but will happen without a place to fly.? 7.????Put in all your personal stuff. 8.????State why you would have?been at the meeting, but because it is during the day......... ......... 9.????The 50%?rule allows 100% use by LWYSA during weekends and weekdays after 5pm. 10.????Please tell them how you feel.? How you really feel.? ? Yeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaa ? I haven't felt this good in months!!!!!! ! ? Sherman Knight 425-576-8777 New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! --Forwarded Message Attachment-- Subject: FW: COMMENT: Concern on 60 Acres South Legislation from a Soccer Enthusiast Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:21:28 -0700 From: Larry.Gossett@ kingcounty. gov To: roycstubbs at mindspri ng.com Mr. Stubbs, ? Thank you for your emails opposing King County entering into a long term lease with LWYSA for use of 60 Acres South Park.? I value the input of King County residents on this and other important issues affecting their lives.? I will take your comments into consideration when I cast my vote on this matter. ? Sincerely, Larry Gossett ? ? Larry Gossett, Councilmember Metropolitan King County Council, District Two (206) 296-1002 -----Original Message----- From: King County Council Communications Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: COMMENT: Concern on 60 Acres South Legislation from a Soccer Enthusiast ? From: Roy Stubbs [mailto:roycstubbs@ mindspring. com] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:02 PM To: Lambert, Kathy; von Reichbauer, Pete; Constantine, Dow; Phillips, Larry; Patterson, Julia; Dunn, Reagan; Hague, Jane; Gossett, Larry; Ferguson, Bob; KCC, Comments Cc: Exec.Sims at kingcount y.gov Subject: Concern on 60 Acres South Legislation from a Soccer Enthusiast ? Dear Council Persons, ? Re: Legislation 2008-0475 - 60-Acres Park ? Again I wish to express my concern on the legislation that you will vote on at the October 13th council meeting.? I am not against soccer in any way - I've played and coached the game all my life - but this legislation?approves an agreement which is a direct give away to a private organization at the expense of many. The 60-Acre park was acquired with Forward Thrust funds to provide a public park.? The Forward Thrust program was not intended to use public funds to buy property to give to private interests to use as their own.? ? There are many hundreds of soccer fields in King County but 60 Acres South is truly unique.? It is an open space in an urban environment that is used by many for a variety of activities.? Giving this beautiful open space to a single purpose group who will clutter it with goal posts, parking lots and buildings is absolutely deplorable.?Only a couple of weeks ago I was at 60 Acres South with my family where we enjoyed seeing three deer?bounding?through the area which is now proposed to be a parking lot.? Where is the environmental impact statement addressing the effect on wild life? ? In closing?I would like?to emphasize that 60 Acres South is unique. There is nothing like that beautiful open space anywhere in King County or in the adjacent counties for that matter. It is used by a variety of interests and is always open to the public at large. There are many, many soccer fields in this area and I have played on?many of them since my arrival here from England in the mid sixties. My?family and?I would indeed be dismayed to see this invaluable resource lost to a single purpose interest group not only for now but for future generations to come. ? Sincerely, ? Roy C Stubbs ? roycstubbs at mindspri ng.com ? ?__._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity Visit Your Group Yahoo! News Get it all here Breaking news to entertainment news Yahoo! Groups Everyday Wellness Zone Check out featured healthy living groups. Weight Loss Group on Yahoo! Groups Get support and make friends online. . __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- Hello all Rocketeers, This is a very important letter which concerns the voting for the use of 60 acres next Monday.? I hope everyone will send in a email with their concerns .? I have left attached all the letters that were forwarded from my other club SAM 8 freeflighters so you may see the whole thread.? I leave it up to you all to decide if you would like to write an email or not.? If the vote goes the soccer way though we will lose 60 acres? south for 30 years from what I gather. Thank You Greg Wilson WAC &?SAM?8 Roadside Hobbies ? ? --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Homer Smith wrote: From: Homer Smith Subject: [the_great_sam8] FW: Please read this From Sherman concerning Monday Afternoon's Council meeting To: "FAC Squadron" , "the_great_sam8" Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:42 PM This is important. ? Homer From: roycstubbs at mindspri ng.com Subject: Please read this From Sherman concerning Monday Afternoon's Council meeting Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:49:34 -0700 ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:roycstubbs at mindspring.com Roy Stubbs Subject: Please read this From Sherman concerning Monday Afternoon's Council meeting Hi all, Re: We need your help to Save 60 Acres South. ? ?We (SASS and?concerned residents)?testified before the KC Council on Monday and based on our testimony they put the vote off for a week on the legislation for a thirty year lease with the LWYSA for 60 Acres South.? The council encouraged us to send in more information and concerns.? This is a critical vote and come Monday it will be all over one way or the other. ? For your reference, this?is?my wife's (Lis)?email to the KC Council - see below. ? We?need your help; every email/letter really counts. If you can please write a similar?email before Monday's council meeting.?I'll also attach mine.? It doesn't have to be elaborate or long.?Cut and Paste and/or?use your own words . I'm also sending Sherman Knight's?latest - see below.? There's plenty of ammunition there for any concerned taxpayer and I'll follow up with more examples and information.? ? Council email addresses are: mailto:'kathy.lambert at kingcounty.gov' 'kathy.lambert@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'pete.vonreichbauer at kingcounty.gov' 'pete.vonreichbauer @kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'dow.constantine at kingcounty.gov' 'dow.constantine@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'larry.phillips at kingcounty.gov' 'larry.phillips@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'julia.patterson at kingcounty.gov' 'julia.patterson@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'reagan.dunn at kingcounty.gov' 'reagan.dunn@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'jane.hague at kingcounty.gov' 'jane.hague@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'larry.gossett at kingcounty.gov' 'larry.gossett@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'bob.ferguson at kingcounty.gov' 'bob.ferguson@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'council at kingcounty.gov' 'council at kingcounty .gov' ; mailto:'exec.sims at kingcounty.gov' 'exec.sims at kingcoun ty.gov' ? If you need a copy of the appeal please email me. ? Thanks for your support, ? Roy ? From: estubbs [mailto:estubbs@ mindspring. com] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:19 PM To: mailto:'kathy.lambert at kingcounty.gov' 'kathy.lambert@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'pete.vonreichbauer at kingcounty.gov' 'pete.vonreichbauer @kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'dow.constantine at kingcounty.gov' 'dow.constantine@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'larry.phillips at kingcounty.gov' 'larry.phillips@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'julia.patterson at kingcounty.gov' 'julia.patterson@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'reagan.dunn at kingcounty.gov' 'reagan.dunn@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'jane.hague at kingcounty.gov' 'jane.hague@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'larry.gossett at kingcounty.gov' 'larry.gossett@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'bob.ferguson at kingcounty.gov' 'bob.ferguson@ kingcounty. gov' ; mailto:'council at kingcounty.gov' 'council at kingcounty .gov' ; mailto:'exec.sims at kingcounty.gov' 'exec.sims at kingcoun ty.gov' Subject: 60 Acres South ? Dear King County Council Members, ? I would like to express my concern regarding the possible loss of Sixty Acres South as a multipurpose public park to a private concern ? Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association. ? My family has utilized 60 Acres South for over 20 years on a weekly basis in a multiplicity of ways.? I like to picnic there while my husband flies model airplanes.? My children and I have shot rockets there.? I have used it as a springboard for riding on the Sammamish River bike trail.? At one point, we shared the park with a polo club. ? I have always enjoyed the various activities the park is used for even as I use it for my own enjoyment ? I like sharing it with other people.? In my years as a soccer mom, I have found that soccer is an exclusive activity.? In our current inclusive society, that goes against the grain of how our communities function.?? Considering the number of soccer fields in King County, it is a shame that soccer in their greed wants to take over yet another publicly used multiple use park. ? I seriously hope that you will consider the repercussions of allowing soccer to dominate 60 Acres South.? I would like to think that you do not represent just soccer interests but the interests of your whole constituency and vote against giving up 60 Acres South to LWYSA. ? Most sincerely, ? Lis Stubbs mailto:estubbs at mindspring.com estubbs at mindspring. com ? ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:DUWorm at aol.com DUWorm at aol.com To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: [SASS_club] From Sherman concerning Monday Afternoon's Council meeting What a day. ? Two from LWYSA spoke, 24 spoke that did not want the lease to go through.? Everyone that testified did a FANTISTIC job.? The council held over the vote for another week while the lease could be further studied.? I felt very good at the end of the public hearing.? ? Now for the fun part.? There will not be a chance to speak publicly before the vote.? However you can send in more letters by email and snail mail.? If you want to call, even better.? ? Now is your chance, maybe your last chance.? So Write, Write and Write.? Send each email to ALL of the council people.? ? Attached is a copy of the appeal.? Look at the statement made by Tim Hill in his letter of 1988.?? Page 16-7? It is a good quote.? Look also to the quote from Jim Ellis.???????Page 11?? Spend some time on the issue of he forward thrust language page 7-8? Read the legal argument. they are rather simple arguments.? Just restate them in your own words.? ? use the quote "to primarily provide outdoor recreation not typically found in the urban environment. "? The council saw the map, I think they might now understand.? ? Read the fact section in the appeal.? It is full of good stuff.? ? For the rest of your letters, try the following; 1.????Public money should not support a 2.6 million dollar company to the exclusion of others. 2.????There is no agreement?with KC or LWYSA, there have been discussions, but nothing close to signing.? 3.????LWYSA has?created a?trust problem.? 4.????the only purpose is to make more money.? 5.????This is the last area to fly model sailplanes?in King county.? 6.????Extinction?not only is a possibility, but will happen without a place to fly.? 7.????Put in all your personal stuff. 8.????State why you would have?been at the meeting, but because it is during the day......... ......... 9.????The 50%?rule allows 100% use by LWYSA during weekends and weekdays after 5pm. 10.????Please tell them how you feel.? How you really feel.? ? Yeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaa ? I haven't felt this good in months!!!!!! ! ? Sherman Knight 425-576-8777 New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002 Try it out! --Forwarded Message Attachment-- Subject: FW: COMMENT: Concern on 60 Acres South Legislation from a Soccer Enthusiast Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:21:28 -0700 From: Larry.Gossett@ kingcounty. gov To: roycstubbs at mindspri ng.com Mr. Stubbs, ? Thank you for your emails opposing King County entering into a long term lease with LWYSA for use of 60 Acres South Park.? I value the input of King County residents on this and other important issues affecting their lives.? I will take your comments into consideration when I cast my vote on this matter. ? Sincerely, Larry Gossett ? ? Larry Gossett, Councilmember Metropolitan King County Council, District Two (206) 296-1002 -----Original Message----- From: King County Council Communications Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: COMMENT: Concern on 60 Acres South Legislation from a Soccer Enthusiast ? From: Roy Stubbs [mailto:roycstubbs@ mindspring. com] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:02 PM To: Lambert, Kathy; von Reichbauer, Pete; Constantine, Dow; Phillips, Larry; Patterson, Julia; Dunn, Reagan; Hague, Jane; Gossett, Larry; Ferguson, Bob; KCC, Comments Cc: Exec.Sims at kingcount y.gov Subject: Concern on 60 Acres South Legislation from a Soccer Enthusiast ? Dear Council Persons, ? Re: Legislation 2008-0475 - 60-Acres Park ? Again I wish to express my concern on the legislation that you will vote on at the October 13th council meeting.? I am not against soccer in any way - I've played and coached the game all my life - but this legislation?approves an agreement which is a direct give away to a private organization at the expense of many. The 60-Acre park was acquired with Forward Thrust funds to provide a public park.? The Forward Thrust program was not intended to use public funds to buy property to give to private interests to use as their own. ? ? There are many hundreds of soccer fields in King County but 60 Acres South is truly unique.? It is an open space in an urban environment that is used by many for a variety of activities.? Giving this beautiful open space to a single purpose group who will clutter it with goal posts, parking lots and buildings is absolutely deplorable.?Only a couple of weeks ago I was at 60 Acres South with my family where we enjoyed seeing three deer?bounding?through the area which is now proposed to be a parking lot.? Where is the environmental impact statement addressing the effect on wild life? ? In closing?I would like?to emphasize that 60 Acres South is unique. There is nothing like that beautiful open space anywhere in King County or in the adjacent counties for that matter. It is used by a variety of interests and is always open to the public at large. There are many, many soccer fields in this area and I have played on?many of them since my arrival here from England in the mid sixties. My?family and?I would indeed be dismayed to see this invaluable resource lost to a single purpose interest group not only for now but for future generations to come. ? Sincerely, ? 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The Chandrayaan-1 mission will focus on the exploration of the South Pole of the moon and a 3-D mapping of the entire moonscape. The moon impact probe will hit the rim of the Shackleton crater of the moon at the South Pole by mid-November if everything goes well. The rim of the Shackleton crater is a location identified by the U.S. space agency NASA to establish a possible lunar outpost by 2020. More from The Hindu in India and related videos 1, 2 and 3. From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Wed Oct 15 23:29:20 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Add-on igniter for pyrogen type igniter patent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1137.208.100.241.32.1224138560.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> > MFreptiles wrote: > This is all common knowledge to those "schooled in the art". :) I was joshin' a bit there. :-) Thin Al foil is mostly useful where humidity or moisture is a problem. As Mike says, don't clog da nozzle! We're talking larger motors and nozzle throats here, prepping rockets in a drizzle, that kind of thing. Firing up AT modroc motors is an art to itself, tinfoil has no place there(literally!). +McG+ > The > primary consideration is not to use something to contain the pyrogen > booster that may clog the nozzle or contain the reaction to the point that > it goes boom. > ? > Like Ken says, tin foil works well, so does just wrapping propellant > shavings around the igniter and tying it off with kevlar thread. > ? > Mike F. > ? > ? > New > MapQuest Local > shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & > more. http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002 Try it out! > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Wed Oct 15 23:58:06 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [RocketsNW] Tubefins and Mach In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1180.208.100.241.32.1224140286.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> The Russians have used fold-down waffle-grid fins on some missiles. That's like massively parallel square-tube fins. Don't know about the aerodynamics though. Cd has got to suck. I'm sure tube fins will work at supersonic speeds, IF they're strong enough. +McG+ > After poking around the web a bit the general consensus is that Tubefins + > mach = Very bad things. I am beta testing a tube fin rocket for a company > and we are looking to find the maximum impulse motor it can take. The idea > is to load a J570 being 38mm but it sims to mach 1.1, bad. > Anyone have any thoughts/experiences with tubefins and mach? > The rocksim file and a picture are attached. The rocksim file is using > normal fins instead of tube fins. > I am sure that makes a difference in drag and velocity but by how much? > Thanks > Aaron > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From dmrandall at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 23:25:36 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:25:36 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Waterville Hotel Room for Oct Launch Message-ID: <6bc920e40810172325h706978b5m6fd124809eef6b95@mail.gmail.com> If you were looking for a hotel room at Waterville for the upcoming WAC launch weekend, I've had to cancel my reservation, so there is some space available there now. Check with the hotel for latest availability info. - Dave From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Sat Oct 18 14:10:59 2008 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:10:59 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Collectable Motors Discovered References: <6bc920e40810172325h706978b5m6fd124809eef6b95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9965@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Hi all, Our school rocketry club had a huge pile of stuff donated to us this last summer, and amongst it we found a mother boatload of vintage motors--mint condition still in packaging, etc... We found we are sititng on top of a gold mine...boxes upon boxes of Minijets brand motors (made by General Mills, if you can believe it...), and a couple of different incarnations of packaging for Estes motors going back to the 60's and 70's. Our guru, Dave, has suggested that we put them up on e-bay and bring in some cash to fund the program. If you (or anyone you know) have an interest in collecting old motors, please go to e-bay and check out our first trial balloon--a package of Minijets A3-4m motors. We're selling under the name "ingrahamrocketry". All proceeds will go to fund the educational activities of the TARC teams at Ingraham High School, Seattle, WA. Thanks, and happy flying! Peter Schurke Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA From appusher at q.com Sat Oct 18 15:11:27 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:11:27 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Waterville Hotel Room for Oct Launch In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40810172325h706978b5m6fd124809eef6b95@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bc920e40810172325h706978b5m6fd124809eef6b95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Do you havethe contact info handy? EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:25:36 -0700> From: dmrandall at gmail.com> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: [RocketsNW] Waterville Hotel Room for Oct Launch> > If you were looking for a hotel room at Waterville for the upcoming> WAC launch weekend, I've had to cancel my reservation, so there is> some space available there now. Check with the hotel for latest> availability info.> > - Dave> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- Do you havethe contact info handy? http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:25:36 -0700 > From: dmrandall at gmail.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Waterville Hotel Room for Oct Launch > > If you were looking for a hotel room at Waterville for the upcoming > WAC launch weekend, I've had to cancel my reservation, so there is > some space available there now. Check with the hotel for latest > availability info. > > - Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From appusher at q.com Sat Oct 18 15:13:13 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:13:13 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Collectable Motors Discovered In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9965@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> References: <6bc920e40810172325h706978b5m6fd124809eef6b95@mail.gmail.com> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9965@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: If you have A10-0 booster motors i have a rocket that needs them. Could you send me a list of what you have.? Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:10:59 -0700> From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: [RocketsNW] Collectable Motors Discovered> > Hi all,> > Our school rocketry club had a huge pile of stuff donated to us this last summer, and amongst it we found a mother boatload of vintage motors--mint condition still in packaging, etc...> > We found we are sititng on top of a gold mine...boxes upon boxes of Minijets brand motors (made by General Mills, if you can believe it...), and a couple of different incarnations of packaging for Estes motors going back to the 60's and 70's.> > Our guru, Dave, has suggested that we put them up on e-bay and bring in some cash to fund the program.> > If you (or anyone you know) have an interest in collecting old motors, please go to e-bay and check out our first trial balloon--a package of Minijets A3-4m motors. We're selling under the name "ingrahamrocketry".> > All proceeds will go to fund the educational activities of the TARC teams at Ingraham High School, Seattle, WA.> > Thanks, and happy flying!> > Peter Schurke> Teacher and Lead Advisor> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy> Ingraham High School> Seattle, WA > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- If you have A10-0 booster motors i have a rocket that needs them.? Could you send me a list of what you have.? ? Bill http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:10:59 -0700 > From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Collectable Motors Discovered > > Hi all, > > Our school rocketry club had a huge pile of stuff donated to us this last summer, and amongst it we found a mother boatload of vintage motors--mint condition still in packaging, etc... > > We found we are sititng on top of a gold mine...boxes upon boxes of Minijets brand motors (made by General Mills, if you can believe it...), and a couple of different incarnations of packaging for Estes motors going back to the 60's and 70's. > > Our guru, Dave, has suggested that we put them up on e-bay and bring in some cash to fund the program. > > If you (or anyone you know) have an interest in collecting old motors, please go to e-bay and check out our first trial balloon--a package of Minijets A3-4m motors. We're selling under the name "ingrahamrocketry". > > All proceeds will go to fund the educational activities of the TARC teams at Ingraham High School, Seattle, WA. > > Thanks, and happy flying! > > Peter Schurke > Teacher and Lead Advisor > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > Ingraham High School > Seattle, WA > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From gbhchrist at verizon.net Sat Oct 18 17:28:34 2008 From: gbhchrist at verizon.net (George Christ) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:28:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Waterville Hotel Room for Oct Launch In-Reply-To: References: <6bc920e40810172325h706978b5m6fd124809eef6b95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26F8C350760C4D328DD510EFF451E0D9@LittleGoodBox> Here you go: Waterville Hotel 102 E. Park St. Waterville, WA 98858 509-745-8695 Reservations 888-509-8180 George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Munds" To: "Dave Randall" ; "NW Rocketry mailing list" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Waterville Hotel Room for Oct Launch Do you havethe contact info handy? EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:25:36 -0700> From: dmrandall at gmail.com> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: [RocketsNW] Waterville Hotel Room for Oct Launch> > If you were looking for a hotel room at Waterville for the upcoming> WAC launch weekend, I've had to cancel my reservation, so there is> some space available there now. Check with the hotel for latest> availability info.> > - Dave> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From gbhchrist at verizon.net Sat Oct 18 17:28:34 2008 From: gbhchrist at verizon.net (George Christ) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:28:34 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Waterville Hotel Room for Oct Launch In-Reply-To: References: <6bc920e40810172325h706978b5m6fd124809eef6b95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8B543F73CDEA462791A01A17E529ED04@LittleGoodBox> Here you go: Waterville Hotel 102 E. Park St. Waterville, WA 98858 509-745-8695 Reservations 888-509-8180 George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Munds" To: "Dave Randall" ; "NW Rocketry mailing list" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Waterville Hotel Room for Oct Launch Do you havethe contact info handy? EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:25:36 -0700> From: dmrandall at gmail.com> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: [RocketsNW] Waterville Hotel Room for Oct Launch> > If you were looking for a hotel room at Waterville for the upcoming> WAC launch weekend, I've had to cancel my reservation, so there is> some space available there now. Check with the hotel for latest> availability info.> > - Dave> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From worthenc at msn.com Sun Oct 19 20:15:19 2008 From: worthenc at msn.com (JAMES C WORTHEN) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:15:19 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] Motors on eBay?????????? Message-ID: Hey Gang, I thought that this was against the rules??? Looks like there may be some real great collectors items here. Those of you that collect need to get a get a contact point before this one gets pulled. J C Worthen NAR 7095 -------------- next part -------------- Hey Gang, I thought that this was against the rules??? Looks like there may be some real great collectors items here.? Those of you that collect need to get a get?a contact point before this one gets pulled. J C Worthen NAR 7095 From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Sun Oct 19 21:20:06 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:20:06 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] BALLS 17 Report Posted - finally Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B3021E0184B@BL2PRD0101MB014.prod.exchangelabs.com> So I finally got the photos and commentary posted of our BALLS trip this year. Enjoy! http://rockets.wrightholdings.com/html/BALLS/BALLS2008.htm Cheers! Brad & Red -------------- next part -------------- So I finally got the photos and commentary posted of our BALLS trip this year.? Enjoy! ? http://rockets.wrightholdings.com/html/BALLS/BALLS2008.htm http://rockets.wrightholdings.com/html/BALLS/BALLS2008.htm ? Cheers! Brad & Red From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Mon Oct 20 05:37:45 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:37:45 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OT]Hi-res photos of the Sun and hurricanes on planet Earth Message-ID: <48FC7B99.6040804@earthlink.net> 21 hi-res Sun pics. http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/10/the_sun.html Hurricanes seen from orbit http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/09/hurricanes_as_seen_from_orbit.html From john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com Mon Oct 20 16:14:57 2008 From: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com (john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:14:57 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Who flew the G69SK at Sheridan? In-Reply-To: <48FC7B99.6040804@earthlink.net> References: <48FC7B99.6040804@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688F02FD2B5@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> I have a couple questions for you. Nothing bad.... Just trying to gain some clarification on the flight for a NFPA discussion. John From dmrandall at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 21:26:08 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:26:08 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] King County Council decision made today... Message-ID: <6bc920e40810202126s57c2116ah6b7981db6e9b5bdd@mail.gmail.com> Fellow rocketeers, Decision was made today in favor of LWYSA acquiring rights to 60 Acres South. Discussion/content/agreement is posted here: http://mkcclegisearch.metrokc.gov/detailreport/?key=8936 A new web site has been created to increase visibility of scheduled activities, and two web cameras are going to show real time activity on the field. Site is here: http://www.60acres.org/ SASS web pages have not been updated with content regarding the agreement, but according to an e-mail that I received from King County Council Member Jane Hague: "We were able to build in additional certainty for the SASS organization so that they can count on having a permanent place to continue to operate their model aircraft. Additionally, we have protected access for all the historical users of 60 Acres." It will be interesting to see what that "permanent place" is, and what opportunities there are for LPR. - Dave From dennys at carnitech.net Tue Oct 21 21:17:29 2008 From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:17:29 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC Message-ID: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. Denny -------------- next part -------------- With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA????This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008.? I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday.? See you on the flight line. Denny From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Oct 21 21:24:05 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:24:05 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] India headed to the Moon Message-ID: <48FEAAE5.7000707@earthlink.net> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7679818.stm From jjarmitage at earthlink.net Tue Oct 21 21:57:00 2008 From: jjarmitage at earthlink.net (jjarmitage at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:57:00 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC Message-ID: <20081022045831.LIZN28817.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@COM> Count our gang in! John, Allyne, Michael john.armitage at earthlink.net 253 205 7722 Sent from my Palm Tr?o -----Original Message----- From: Denny Smith Subj: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC Date: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:17 pm Size: 469 bytes To: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" cc: "members at washingtonaerospace.org" With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. Denny --- message truncated --- From bartwoffee at hotmail.com Tue Oct 21 23:16:10 2008 From: bartwoffee at hotmail.com (Bartwoffee Plutz) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:16:10 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC In-Reply-To: <20081022045831.LIZN28817.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@COM> References: <20081022045831.LIZN28817.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@COM> Message-ID: I'll be there with 2 rockets and 1 guest. Bill Wyvel > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> From: jjarmitage at earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:57:00 -0700> CC: members at washingtonaerospace.org> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC> > Count our gang in!> > John, Allyne, Michael> > john.armitage at earthlink.net> 253 205 7722> Sent from my Palm Tr?o> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Denny Smith > Subj: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC> Date: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:17 pm> Size: 469 bytes> To: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" > cc: "members at washingtonaerospace.org" > > > With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line.> > Denny> > > --- message truncated ---> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008 -------------- next part -------------- I'll be there with 2 rockets and 1 guest. ? Bill Wyvel > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > From: jjarmitage at earthlink.net > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:57:00 -0700 > CC: members at washingtonaerospace.org > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC > > Count our gang in! > > John, Allyne, Michael > > john.armitage at earthlink.net > 253 205 7722 > Sent from my Palm Tr?o > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Denny Smith > Subj: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC > Date: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:17 pm > Size: 469 bytes > To: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" > cc: "members at washingtonaerospace.org" > > > With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. > > Denny > > > --- message truncated --- > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008 Start uploading now From eas0171 at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 00:04:32 2008 From: eas0171 at gmail.com (Eugene Samsonov) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:04:32 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC References: <20081022045831.LIZN28817.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@COM> Message-ID: <79AE8E6D502B44CD8B7D9CC871F8E3F6@stktksrv> I will be there on Saturday. -Eugene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bartwoffee Plutz" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC I'll be there with 2 rockets and 1 guest. Bill Wyvel > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> From: jjarmitage at earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 > Oct 2008 21:57:00 -0700> CC: members at washingtonaerospace.org> Subject: Re: > [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC> > Count our gang in!> > John, > Allyne, Michael> > john.armitage at earthlink.net> 253 205 7722> Sent from my > Palm Tr?o> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Denny Smith > > Subj: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC> > Date: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:17 pm> Size: 469 bytes> To: > "rockets at rocketsnw.com" > cc: > "members at washingtonaerospace.org" > > > > With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is > planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in > Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to > see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up > Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family > and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line.> > Denny> > > > --- message truncated ---> > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From mkquinn at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 00:07:25 2008 From: mkquinn at gmail.com (Mark Quinn) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:07:25 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC In-Reply-To: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> References: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> Message-ID: <5a1085980810220007r2af6288egb4149683b052292@mail.gmail.com> I'm going to try to make it in sometime Saturday morning. Mark On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Denny Smith wrote: > With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is > planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in > Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to > see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up > Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family > and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. > Denny > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- I'm going to try to make?it in?sometime Saturday morning. ? Mark On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Denny Smith < mailto:dennys at carnitech.net dennys at carnitech.net > wrote: With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA????This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008.? I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday.? See you on the flight line. Denny _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Tue Oct 21 21:51:08 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:51:08 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC In-Reply-To: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> References: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B30221E4E2C@BL2PRD0101MB014.prod.exchangelabs.com> I'll be there with a newby in tow and a new 2-stage project to test out.... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:17 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: members at washingtonaerospace.org Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. Denny From rocfish74 at live.com Wed Oct 22 05:14:16 2008 From: rocfish74 at live.com (Mark Lyons) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:14:16 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC In-Reply-To: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> References: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> Message-ID: Count me in Denny. It'll be good to see everyone again. Mark> From: dennys at carnitech.net> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:17:29 -0700> CC: members at washingtonaerospace.org> Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC> > With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line.> > Denny _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- Count me in Denny. It'll be good to see?everyone again. ? Mark > From: dennys at carnitech.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:17:29 -0700 > CC: members at washingtonaerospace.org > Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC > > With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. > > Denny See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ See Now From dmrandall at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 06:13:10 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:13:10 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC In-Reply-To: References: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> Message-ID: <6bc920e40810220613x692a776ao362a7e2221d9d3ee@mail.gmail.com> The Randall family will be there with one guest who hasn't seen a model rocket fly since the '70's and is very excited to see the big ones fly... Arriving Friday night, leaving Saturday afternoon/evening. I'll be flying my 2 stage Excel Plus Plus, a 3" Competitor on a J Warp-9 reload, and PML Callisto on an I reload, and we will probably have a few 29mm birds for some G flights. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:14 AM, Mark Lyons wrote: > Count me in Denny. It'll be good to see everyone again. > > Mark >> From: dennys at carnitech.net >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:17:29 -0700 >> CC: members at washingtonaerospace.org >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC >> >> With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. >> >> Denny > See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ See Now > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From carl at mousetrap.com Wed Oct 22 07:01:59 2008 From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:01:59 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC In-Reply-To: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> References: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> Message-ID: I'll be there. Looking forward to seeing everybody. - Carl On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Denny Smith wrote: > With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is > planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in > Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to > see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up > Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family > and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. > > Denny > > _______________________________________________ > members mailing list > members at washingtonaerospace.org > > http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org > > -------------- next part -------------- ?- Carl On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Denny Smith < mailto:dennys at carnitech.net dennys at carnitech.net > wrote: With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA????This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008.? I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday.? See you on the flight line. Denny _______________________________________________ members mailing list mailto:members at washingtonaerospace.org members at washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org From daron at daronjohnson.com Wed Oct 22 07:07:21 2008 From: daron at daronjohnson.com (Daron Johnson) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:07:21 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [personal] Mansfield October launch - WAC In-Reply-To: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> References: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> Message-ID: <003001c9344f$8531e470$8f95ad50$@com> I'll be there Friday early afternoon. -Daron -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:17 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: members at washingtonaerospace.org Subject: [personal] [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. Denny From aaronfogg at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 07:31:18 2008 From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:31:18 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [personal] Mansfield October launch - WAC In-Reply-To: <003001c9344f$8531e470$8f95ad50$@com> References: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> <003001c9344f$8531e470$8f95ad50$@com> Message-ID: I will be there around 4 on Friday. Aaron Fogg On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Daron Johnson wrote: > I'll be there Friday early afternoon. > -Daron > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Denny Smith > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:17 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Cc: members at washingtonaerospace.org > Subject: [personal] [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC > > With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is > planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in > Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping > to > see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up > Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family > and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. > > Denny > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- Aaron Fogg On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Daron Johnson < mailto:daron at daronjohnson.com daron at daronjohnson.com > wrote: I'll be there Friday early afternoon. -Daron -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:17 PM To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: mailto:members at washingtonaerospace.org members at washingtonaerospace.org Subject: [personal] [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? ? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. ?I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. ?See you on the flight line. Denny _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From absworld at cet.com Wed Oct 22 08:37:02 2008 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob and Ann Yanecek) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:37:02 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC In-Reply-To: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> References: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> Message-ID: <009701c9345c$089b7090$19d251b0$@com> I hope to show up late afternoon Friday and stay through late morning Sunday. Forecast is looking good! I've got a 38mm airframe that consistently stays under 10K' on a J350 so I won't have to mess with the away cell. The sad part for me is that team Jopson will be flying their 38mm rocket on a J350 that has already topped 11K'. Between that and my fin flutter problem at BALLS, I've got some studying to do over the winter. Other flights for me include a 29mm airframe via H180 and motor eject. I'm expecting a high velocity early deployment and will be focusing on that as I pack the laundry. I have a 24mm 3-stager that I hope to get up as well. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:17 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: members at washingtonaerospace.org Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. Denny -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1734 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 7:25 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1734 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 7:25 AM From Eric.Gunnerson at microsoft.com Wed Oct 22 08:45:02 2008 From: Eric.Gunnerson at microsoft.com (Eric Gunnerson) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:45:02 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] King County Council decision made today... In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40810202126s57c2116ah6b7981db6e9b5bdd@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bc920e40810202126s57c2116ah6b7981db6e9b5bdd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I read the decision, and the "protected access for all the historical users of 60 acres." is a lie. "Passive use" is at the bottom of the priority list, which means its open for passive use only if LWYSA isn't using it and hasn't been able to sell the use to somebody else for that time. How one figures that out is beyond me - there's no requirement that LWYSA publish any schedule. Eric -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: NW Rocketry mailing list Subject: [RocketsNW] King County Council decision made today... Fellow rocketeers, Decision was made today in favor of LWYSA acquiring rights to 60 Acres South. Discussion/content/agreement is posted here: http://mkcclegisearch.metrokc.gov/detailreport/?key=8936 A new web site has been created to increase visibility of scheduled activities, and two web cameras are going to show real time activity on the field. Site is here: http://www.60acres.org/ SASS web pages have not been updated with content regarding the agreement, but according to an e-mail that I received from King County Council Member Jane Hague: "We were able to build in additional certainty for the SASS organization so that they can count on having a permanent place to continue to operate their model aircraft. Additionally, we have protected access for all the historical users of 60 Acres." It will be interesting to see what that "permanent place" is, and what opportunities there are for LPR. - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From dmobley at rocketryplanet.com Wed Oct 22 09:14:14 2008 From: dmobley at rocketryplanet.com (Darrell D. Mobley) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:14:14 -0400 Subject: [RocketsNW] Who flew the G69SK at Sheridan? In-Reply-To: <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688F02FD2B5@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> Message-ID: <200810221614.m9MGDxpw001472@www.uhostme.com> I thought these were not supposed to be sold, that the manufacturer was reformulating them to fit NFPA. Was the originals grandfathered in and allowed to be flown before the manufacturer completed their redesign? > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:15 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Who flew the G69SK at Sheridan? > > > I have a couple questions for you. Nothing bad.... Just trying to gain > some clarification on the flight for a NFPA discussion. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From kent.newman at comcast.net Wed Oct 22 10:43:48 2008 From: kent.newman at comcast.net (Kent Newman) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:43:48 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] WAC Launch - Certification Attempts? Message-ID: <2D9CACDC245147A8A2952DF25322958F@AntecP180> For anyone planning on attending the Washington Aerospace launch this weekend, please let me know if you are intending to take either the NAR or TRA L2 written test and/or wish to attempt an L1 or L2 certification flight. Thanks much! Kent Newman Washington Aerospace From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Wed Oct 22 13:06:37 2008 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:06:37 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] nice Wired article Message-ID: http://www.wired.com/science/space/magazine/16-11/ff_rocketheads Andrew. From mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net Wed Oct 22 17:03:43 2008 From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net (mikeandkimwyvel) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:03:43 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] WAC Launch - Certification Attempts? In-Reply-To: <2D9CACDC245147A8A2952DF25322958F@AntecP180> References: <2D9CACDC245147A8A2952DF25322958F@AntecP180> Message-ID: <006101c934a2$d1a5f370$74f1da50$@net> One other thing, we're only going to bring a subset of the GSE to the launch. We'll have the away cell down the road, a few mid and high power pads, and one rack for models. If you are planning on launching a single L or M under 10K let me know. Also please let me know if you'll be needing the large rail (1050). -----Original Message----- From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Kent Newman Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:44 AM To: members at washingtonaerospace.org Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [WAC-Members] WAC Launch - Certification Attempts? For anyone planning on attending the Washington Aerospace launch this weekend, please let me know if you are intending to take either the NAR or TRA L2 written test and/or wish to attempt an L1 or L2 certification flight. Thanks much! Kent Newman Washington Aerospace _______________________________________________ members mailing list members at washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace. org From carl at mousetrap.com Wed Oct 22 17:20:03 2008 From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:20:03 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] WAC Launch - Certification Attempts? In-Reply-To: <006101c934a2$d1a5f370$74f1da50$@net> References: <2D9CACDC245147A8A2952DF25322958F@AntecP180> <006101c934a2$d1a5f370$74f1da50$@net> Message-ID: You should also speak up if you will need a 1/4" rod, as these have not been available at past, "small" launches. - Carl On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM, mikeandkimwyvel < mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net> wrote: > One other thing, we're only going to bring a subset of the GSE to the > launch. We'll have the away cell down the road, a few mid and high power > pads, and one rack for models. If you are planning on launching a single L > or M under 10K let me know. Also please let me know if you'll be needing > the large rail (1050). > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org > [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Kent Newman > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:44 AM > To: members at washingtonaerospace.org > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [WAC-Members] WAC Launch - Certification Attempts? > > For anyone planning on attending the Washington Aerospace launch this > weekend, please let me know if you are intending to take either the NAR or > TRA L2 written test and/or wish to attempt an L1 or L2 certification > flight. > > Thanks much! > > Kent Newman > Washington Aerospace > > > _______________________________________________ > members mailing list > members at washingtonaerospace.org > > http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace. > org > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- ?- Carl On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM, mikeandkimwyvel < mailto:mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net > wrote: One other thing, we're only going to bring a subset of the GSE to the launch. ?We'll have the away cell down the road, a few mid and high power pads, and one rack for models. ?If you are planning on launching a single L or M under 10K let me know. ?Also please let me know if you'll be needing the large rail (1050). -----Original Message----- From: mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto: mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org ] On Behalf Of Kent Newman Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:44 AM To: mailto:members at washingtonaerospace.org members at washingtonaerospace.org Cc: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [WAC-Members] WAC Launch - Certification Attempts? For anyone planning on attending the Washington Aerospace launch this weekend, please let me know if you are intending to take either the NAR or TRA L2 written test and/or wish to attempt an L1 or L2 certification flight. Thanks much! Kent Newman Washington Aerospace _______________________________________________ members mailing list mailto:members at washingtonaerospace.org members at washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace. org _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bar0051 at homenetnw.net Wed Oct 22 18:30:56 2008 From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net (Bryon Schopp) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:30:56 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC References: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> Message-ID: I am planning on being there Friday after work, my wife and grandson may join me. Bryon Schopp ----- Original Message ----- From: Denny Smith To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: members at washingtonaerospace.org Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. Denny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ members mailing list members at washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org -------------- next part -------------- I am planning on being there Friday after work, my wife and grandson may join me. ? Bryon Schopp ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:dennys at carnitech.net Denny Smith To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: mailto:members at washingtonaerospace.org members at washingtonaerospace.org Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA????This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008.? I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday.? See you on the flight line. Denny _______________________________________________ members mailing list members at washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org From bar0051 at homenetnw.net Wed Oct 22 18:32:44 2008 From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net (Bryon Schopp) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:32:44 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] WAC Launch - Certification Attempts? References: <2D9CACDC245147A8A2952DF25322958F@AntecP180><006101c934a2$d1a5f370$74f1da50$@net> Message-ID: I plan on launches using a 1/4' rod but I can bring my own if necessary. Bryon Schopp ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Hamilton To: members at washingtonaerospace.org ; rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [WAC-Members] [RocketsNW] WAC Launch - Certification Attempts? You should also speak up if you will need a 1/4" rod, as these have not been available at past, "small" launches. - Carl On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM, mikeandkimwyvel wrote: One other thing, we're only going to bring a subset of the GSE to the launch. We'll have the away cell down the road, a few mid and high power pads, and one rack for models. If you are planning on launching a single L or M under 10K let me know. Also please let me know if you'll be needing the large rail (1050). -----Original Message----- From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Kent Newman Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:44 AM To: members at washingtonaerospace.org Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [WAC-Members] WAC Launch - Certification Attempts? For anyone planning on attending the Washington Aerospace launch this weekend, please let me know if you are intending to take either the NAR or TRA L2 written test and/or wish to attempt an L1 or L2 certification flight. Thanks much! Kent Newman Washington Aerospace _______________________________________________ members mailing list members at washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace. org _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ members mailing list members at washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org -------------- next part -------------- I plan on launches using a 1/4' rod but I can bring my own if necessary. ? Bryon Schopp ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:carl at mousetrap.com Carl Hamilton To: mailto:members at washingtonaerospace.org members at washingtonaerospace.org ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [WAC-Members] [RocketsNW] WAC Launch - Certification Attempts? You should also speak up if you will need a 1/4" rod, as these have not been available at past, "small" launches. ?- Carl On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM, mikeandkimwyvel < mailto:mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net > wrote: One other thing, we're only going to bring a subset of the GSE to the launch. ?We'll have the away cell down the road, a few mid and high power pads, and one rack for models. ?If you are planning on launching a single L or M under 10K let me know. ?Also please let me know if you'll be needing the large rail (1050). -----Original Message----- From: mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto: mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org ] On Behalf Of Kent Newman Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:44 AM To: mailto:members at washingtonaerospace.org members at washingtonaerospace.org Cc: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [WAC-Members] WAC Launch - Certification Attempts? For anyone planning on attending the Washington Aerospace launch this weekend, please let me know if you are intending to take either the NAR or TRA L2 written test and/or wish to attempt an L1 or L2 certification flight. Thanks much! Kent Newman Washington Aerospace _______________________________________________ members mailing list mailto:members at washingtonaerospace.org members at washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace. org _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ members mailing list members at washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org From foreveryoung at inlandnet.com Wed Oct 22 21:08:04 2008 From: foreveryoung at inlandnet.com (Bryan Young) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:08:04 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC In-Reply-To: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> References: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> Message-ID: <00b401c934c4$f331eea0$d995cbe0$@com> I'll be there for sure. I could really use some pointers on keeping track of a rocket (goal: recover rocket) and calibrating my 29-mm dual deploy engineering solution. I'll be bringing all the odds and ends that didn't work, such as coin-cell battery holders. Chances are I'll stick to long walks with my homemade 70cm Yagi in hand. It's a lot less work J I may need to borrow or buy a 29mm to 38mm adapter, if available. -B From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:17 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: members at washingtonaerospace.org Subject: [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. Denny -------------- next part -------------- I???ll be there for sure. I could really use some pointers on keeping track of a rocket (goal: recover rocket) and calibrating my 29-mm dual deploy engineering solution. I???ll be bringing all the odds and ends that didn???t work, such as coin-cell battery holders. ? Chances are I???ll stick to long walks with my homemade 70cm Yagi in hand. It???s a lot less work J ? I may need to borrow or buy a 29mm to 38mm adapter, if available. -B ? From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:17 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: members at washingtonaerospace.org Subject: [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC ? With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA????This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008.? I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday.? See you on the flight line. Denny From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Wed Oct 22 22:08:03 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:08:03 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC In-Reply-To: <00b401c934c4$f331eea0$d995cbe0$@com> References: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> <00b401c934c4$f331eea0$d995cbe0$@com> Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B30223331B0@BL2PRD0101MB014.prod.exchangelabs.com> I have the adapter. I'll throw it in. b From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Young Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:08 PM To: 'Denny Smith'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: members at washingtonaerospace.org Subject: Re: [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC I'll be there for sure. I could really use some pointers on keeping track of a rocket (goal: recover rocket) and calibrating my 29-mm dual deploy engineering solution. I'll be bringing all the odds and ends that didn't work, such as coin-cell battery holders. Chances are I'll stick to long walks with my homemade 70cm Yagi in hand. It's a lot less work :) I may need to borrow or buy a 29mm to 38mm adapter, if available. -B From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:17 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: members at washingtonaerospace.org Subject: [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. Denny -------------- next part -------------- I have the adapter. I???ll throw it in. ? b ? From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Young Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:08 PM To: 'Denny Smith'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: members at washingtonaerospace.org Subject: Re: [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC ? I???ll be there for sure. I could really use some pointers on keeping track of a rocket (goal: recover rocket) and calibrating my 29-mm dual deploy engineering solution. I???ll be bringing all the odds and ends that didn???t work, such as coin-cell battery holders. ? Chances are I???ll stick to long walks with my homemade 70cm Yagi in hand. It???s a lot less work J ? I may need to borrow or buy a 29mm to 38mm adapter, if available. -B ? From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:17 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: members at washingtonaerospace.org Subject: [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC ? With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA????This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008.? I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday.? See you on the flight line. Denny From jjarmitage at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 01:31:49 2008 From: jjarmitage at earthlink.net (John Armitage) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:31:49 -1000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Short cut to Chelan? Message-ID: Anyone know if 'Mud Springs Road' is open between 172 and 97? John Armitage SLC Tacoma jjarmitage at earthlink.net 253 205 7722 -------------- next part -------------- Anyone know if ???Mud Springs Road??? is open between 172 and 97? ? John Armitage SLC Tacoma jjarmitage at earthlink.net 253 205 7722 ? From absworld at cet.com Thu Oct 23 08:03:02 2008 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob and Ann Yanecek) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:03:02 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC In-Reply-To: <00b401c934c4$f331eea0$d995cbe0$@com> References: <29C15A6B-0D12-408B-A479-018064BBAB95@mimectl> <00b401c934c4$f331eea0$d995cbe0$@com> Message-ID: <015801c93520$73078cb0$5916a610$@com> Sounds like you have the 'recover' issue covered with the on board RF tracker. Nothing wrong with a long walk as long as it's in a straight line (as opposed to the dreaded grid search). After the issues I had with my 29mm dual deploy rocket, I'm very interested in checking out your implementation. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Young Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:08 PM To: 'Denny Smith'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: members at washingtonaerospace.org Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC I'll be there for sure. I could really use some pointers on keeping track of a rocket (goal: recover rocket) and calibrating my 29-mm dual deploy engineering solution. I'll be bringing all the odds and ends that didn't work, such as coin-cell battery holders. Chances are I'll stick to long walks with my homemade 70cm Yagi in hand. It's a lot less work J I may need to borrow or buy a 29mm to 38mm adapter, if available. -B From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:17 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Cc: members at washingtonaerospace.org Subject: [WAC-Members] Mansfield October launch - WAC With the weather forecast looking somewhat favorable, I am curious who is planning on attending the WAC October launch this coming weekend in Mansfield, WA? This is likely my last launch of the year, so I'm hoping to see everyone again before I call it a wrap for 2008. I'll be showing up Friday evening with the family and will have 8-10 spectators (other family and friends) showing up on Saturday. See you on the flight line. Denny -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1734 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 7:25 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1734 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 7:25 AM From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 09:21:31 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:21:31 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Estes Interceptor M launch at Plaster Blaster 7 Message-ID: <4900A48B.2050805@earthlink.net> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsvLNAiQ2E From andy.casillas at wgint.com Thu Oct 23 09:16:18 2008 From: andy.casillas at wgint.com (Casillas, Andres) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:16:18 -0500 Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] WAC Launch - Certification Attempts? References: <2D9CACDC245147A8A2952DF25322958F@AntecP180><006101c934a2$d1a5f370$74f1da50$@net> Message-ID: Mike I dropped by the UW team to see how they are coming along and I did see that they plan on flying some IO and Phobos kits that have 1/4" rod guides so they will be looking for this GSE. There are about 20 students with around 8 rockets and they plan on showing up around 7pm on Friday. Looks like a busy day on Saturday. ________________________________ From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Carl Hamilton Sent: Wed 10/22/2008 5:20 PM To: members at washingtonaerospace.org; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] WAC Launch - Certification Attempts? You should also speak up if you will need a 1/4" rod, as these have not been available at past, "small" launches. - Carl On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM, mikeandkimwyvel < mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net> wrote: > One other thing, we're only going to bring a subset of the GSE to the > launch. We'll have the away cell down the road, a few mid and high power > pads, and one rack for models. If you are planning on launching a single L > or M under 10K let me know. Also please let me know if you'll be needing > the large rail (1050). > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org > [mailto:members-bounces at washingtonaerospace.org] On Behalf Of Kent Newman > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:44 AM > To: members at washingtonaerospace.org > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [WAC-Members] WAC Launch - Certification Attempts? > > For anyone planning on attending the Washington Aerospace launch this > weekend, please let me know if you are intending to take either the NAR or > TRA L2 written test and/or wish to attempt an L1 or L2 certification > flight. > > Thanks much! > > Kent Newman > Washington Aerospace > > > _______________________________________________ > members mailing list > members at washingtonaerospace.org > > http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace. > org > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 09:34:56 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:34:56 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] A better video of the Interceptor M launch Message-ID: <4900A7B0.6040209@earthlink.net> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COUrWFemTsY&feature=related The featured flight at this year's Plaster Blaster was this beautiful x7.92 upscale of the Estes Interceptor, the Interceptor-M. Some factoids. * Team project - Todd Mullin was the leader. * Body is 10.5" with a 12.5" booster. * ~17' tall and 125 lbs. * Booster mount is canted thru the CP, CG, or some point in between. * The booster is fall-away. * Included on-board video (didn't work). * Was LED-illuminated, including a Cylon-like scanning display (see video). * Flew on a main M2400 and a K1100 in the booster. * Worked basically as planned and the main rocket recovered in flyable condition. This is some feat for a rocket of this complexity! The Rocketry Forum build thread http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?s=af7f232e480e85573af67210060fe6fa&t=42635 From bar0051 at homenetnw.net Thu Oct 23 18:27:16 2008 From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net (Bryon Schopp) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:27:16 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Short cut to Chelan? References: Message-ID: The McNeil Canyon road between Mansfield and Chelan Falls (Highway 97) is open. Much better road now. Bryon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Armitage" To: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:31 AM Subject: [RocketsNW] Short cut to Chelan? > Anyone know if 'Mud Springs Road' is open between 172 and 97? > > > > John Armitage > > SLC Tacoma > > jjarmitage at earthlink.net > > 253 205 7722 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 21:06:51 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:06:51 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] New Land Speed Record Attempt Planned By Brits Message-ID: <490149DB.9000203@earthlink.net> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7685049.stm Supersonic car targets 1,000mph *The British team that claimed the land speed record in 1997, taking a car through the sound barrier for the first time, is planning to go even faster.* RAF pilot Andy Green made history in 1997 when he drove the Thrust SSC jet-powered vehicle at 763mph (1,228km/h). Now he intends to get behind the wheel of a car that is capable of reaching 1,000mph (1,610km/h). Known as Bloodhound, the new car will be powered by a rocket bolted to a Eurofighter-Typhoon jet engine. The team-members have been working on the concept for the past 18 months and expect to be ready to make their new record attempt in 2011. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The embedded video in the news story shows an animation of how the record attempt might look. The animation reminds me of the old Joe Isuzu ad from the '80s of Joe racing a bullet in an Isuzu Impulse. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic0UejzZDZ8 Robert From IBELCHLOUD at aol.com Thu Oct 23 23:01:46 2008 From: IBELCHLOUD at aol.com (IBELCHLOUD at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:01:46 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC Message-ID: I'll be there early Saturday morning. I only have a couple of birds left to fly so I'm bringin 'em! No guests or family this time, all by myself. What is the vendor situation? See you all there! Lou ************** Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ??? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) -------------- next part -------------- I'll be there early Saturday morning.? I only have a couple of birds left to fly so I'm bringin 'em!? No guests or family this time, all by myself. What is the vendor situation? See you all there! Lou ************** Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ??? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From appusher at q.com Fri Oct 24 14:15:48 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:15:48 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave and I will be there. Sellin an flyin. Get us early cause we may not be there later in the day. We are going to take off tonight somewhere in the 8oclock range. Be there late friday night. Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: IBELCHLOUD at aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:01:46 -0400> To: dennys at carnitech.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC> > I'll be there early Saturday morning. I only have a couple of birds left to > fly so I'm bringin 'em! No guests or family this time, all by myself.> > What is the vendor situation?> > See you all there!> > Lou> > > **************> Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your > favorites, no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir=> http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) -------------- next part -------------- Dave and I will be there.? Sellin an flyin.? Get us early cause we may not be there later in the day. ? We are going to take off tonight somewhere in the 8oclock range.? Be there late friday night. ? Bill http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: IBELCHLOUD at aol.com > Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:01:46 -0400 > To: dennys at carnitech.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October launch - WAC > > I'll be there early Saturday morning. I only have a couple of birds left to > fly so I'm bringin 'em! No guests or family this time, all by myself. > > What is the vendor situation? > > See you all there! > > Lou > > > ************** > Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your > favorites, no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= > http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From aaronfogg at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 17:32:48 2008 From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:32:48 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] OCT. Launch Pictures (35 raw) Message-ID: Here are the pictures I got from Saturday. 35 in total and most I don't know who they belong to so take a look. Mark, Carl, Bryon, John, Daron and Bob you have some that I know belong to you. http://picasaweb.google.com/aaronfogg/OctLaunch# -------------- next part -------------- 35 in total and most I don't know who they belong to so take a look. Mark, Carl, Bryon, John, Daron and Bob you have some that I know belong to you. http://picasaweb.google.com/aaronfogg/OctLaunch# http://picasaweb.google.com/aaronfogg/OctLaunch# From absworld at cet.com Mon Oct 27 08:32:17 2008 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob and Ann Yanecek) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:32:17 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield summary Message-ID: <002001c93849$348354c0$9d89fe40$@com> Good turnout. Windy Friday night. Gorgeous Saturday. Long lost rockets recovered. Fresh rockets seeded for future finds. Multiple cert flights. Gracious local residents. Spectacular shred. Living room recovery. Almost dry ponds. 24 deg low Sunday morning. Beautiful night sky. Continued fantastic conditions Sunday. Lots of steady activity. Plenty of fun. Looking forward to April. Bob Yanecek No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1747 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM -------------- next part -------------- Good turnout. Windy Friday night. Gorgeous Saturday. Long lost rockets recovered. Fresh rockets seeded for future finds. Multiple cert flights. Gracious local residents. Spectacular shred. Living room recovery. Almost dry ponds. 24 deg low Sunday morning. Beautiful night sky. Continued fantastic conditions Sunday. Lots of steady activity. Plenty of fun. Looking forward to April. ? Bob Yanecek ? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1747 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM From Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com Mon Oct 27 08:46:43 2008 From: Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com (Peter.T.Ekstrom at jci.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:46:43 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield summary In-Reply-To: <002001c93849$348354c0$9d89fe40$@com> Message-ID: ...... So, about those 'Long lost rockets recovered'... I'm assuming they were originally covered with Sage. What did you re-cover them with? More sage, dirt? "Bob and Ann Yanecek" , Sent by: rockets-bounces at r cc ocketsnw.com Subject [RocketsNW] Mansfield summary 10/27/2008 08:32 AM Good turnout. Windy Friday night. Gorgeous Saturday. Long lost rockets recovered. Fresh rockets seeded for future finds. Multiple cert flights. Gracious local residents. Spectacular shred. Living room recovery. Almost dry ponds. 24 deg low Sunday morning. Beautiful night sky. Continued fantastic conditions Sunday. Lots of steady activity. Plenty of fun. Looking forward to April. Bob Yanecek No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1747 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From Simpsonclark at aol.com Mon Oct 27 09:21:08 2008 From: Simpsonclark at aol.com (Simpsonclark at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:21:08 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Mansfield summary Message-ID: Ditto to Bob's comments and a big thanks to Mike and all who put the event together. -Robert In a message dated 10/27/2008 8:33:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, absworld at cet.com writes: Good turnout. Windy Friday night. Gorgeous Saturday. Long lost rockets recovered. Fresh rockets seeded for future finds. Multiple cert flights. Gracious local residents. Spectacular shred. Living room recovery. Almost dry ponds. 24 deg low Sunday morning. Beautiful night sky. Continued fantastic conditions Sunday. Lots of steady activity. Plenty of fun. Looking forward to April. Bob Yanecek No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1747 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM _______________________________________________ members mailing list members at washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.or g **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ??? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) -------------- next part -------------- Ditto to Bob's comments and a big thanks to Mike and all who put the event together. -Robert ? In a message dated 10/27/2008 8:33:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, absworld at cet.com writes: Good turnout. Windy Friday night. Gorgeous Saturday. Long lost rockets recovered. Fresh rockets seeded for future finds. Multiple cert flights. Gracious local residents. Spectacular shred. Living room recovery. Almost dry ponds. 24 deg low Sunday morning. Beautiful night sky. Continued fantastic conditions Sunday. Lots of steady activity. Plenty of fun. Looking forward to April. ? Bob Yanecek ? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1747 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM _______________________________________________ members mailing list members at washingtonaerospace.org http://washingtonaerospace.org/mailman/listinfo/members_washingtonaerospace.org Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ??? http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001 check it out! From mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net Mon Oct 27 14:10:11 2008 From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net (mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:10:11 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] That's a wrap everyone! Message-ID: <102720082110.1864.49062E3300063F28000007482213575333040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> The 2008 launch season for The Washington Aerospace club is now in the books. It's been a great year with memorable flights and great people. Here is the flight report for the October WAC launch. First Some Business... We had a few items turned into lost and found. A red rocket with white stripes on the fins made it's way back to the LCO table. It had some 29mm hardware still inside and wouldn't let go without someone knowing its Kid Code. In addition the upper airframe of a small blue rocket limped into to camp. On Sunday morning a FRS radio was found standing in as a leveling device for a high power pad. And lastly a small barbie doll with a parachute wrapped around its neck floated into camp. If any of these sound familiar send me a mail off list. Special thanks Without the town of Mansfield we would have no launches, so a very special thanks to Mayor Tom Snell and the town of Mansfield. As usual we were greeted with open arms. I think the prefect example of this came on one of Carl Hamilton's flights. The upper level winds carried his rocket into town and it ended up landing on a resident's roof. She retrieved it and then drove out to the launch site to return it, all the while thanking us for coming out and how wonderful it is that we have our launches here. You can't beat that. The launch duty crews: Bob Yanacek, Brad Wright, Robert Clark, Aaron Fogg, Daren Johnson, Mark Lyons, Denny Smith, Harold Kellams, Jim Jopson, Robert Winglee, Neil Anderson, and Carl Hamilton. Thank you very much for volunteering for launch duty. On behalf of everyone I appreciate your willingness to sacrifice your own flying time so that folks could get their birds in the sky. Double thanks to Harold Kellams and Mark Lyons for the use of your pads. Your quarter inch rods came in pretty handy this weekend. Thank you Dad for hauling the GSE to and from the launch so I didn't have to. Bill Munds and Dave Woodard of Puget Sound Propulsion. Thank you for making it out to all the launches and fulfilling all of our rocketry needs. Thank you Robert Winglee for getting your students involved with rocketry and bringing them out to the launch. We need more people like you in our schools and universities. It was a great group of people, you were incredibly well organized, and you brought a lot of energy to the launch. As you all noticed we tried out some new flight cards this weekend. A huge thanks to Dave Randall for designing these and getting them printed in time for the launch. I heard some good feedback over the weekend and if you have any comments about the new cards please send mail to Dave. The Weather Perfect, with a few kickers. Friday night the wind really picked up and everyone in camp was rocking and rolling. However, as if on cue, it settled down as morning came around and by 10:00 AM Saturday there was just a gentle breeze. The wind helped scour out the clouds over night and we got to spend the rest of the weekend flying into a blinding blue sky. As night wore on everyone got ready for a cool evening with the forecasted temperatures to get to the low 30's. The forecast held true as the temperature hit 31 degrees on its way to the low 20's. The fire extinguishers were frozen and a nice layer of frost had coated the LCO table. Needless to say everyone was a little slow getting up on Sunday morning but as soon as the sun came out things warmed up and we were back at it. The People A rocket launch is as much about people as it is about putting fire in the sky. While not busy with prepping, launching, or recovering, everyone got caught up with friends and friendly faces since the last time we were all here. On Saturday we had a great turn out with what I would say is the largest number of folks I've seen at an October launch. As I noted above Robert Winglee brought his crew of students from the University of Washington and rolled into camp Friday night. Denny Smith had an entourage of 10 folks who came out just to watch the event. Dave Randall's mother was here all the way from Michigan to watch her boy fly. As he always does, Tom Snell came out to watch a few flights and to say hello. By Saturday morning the pirate flags were flying as Brad Wright set up camp and people were soon speculating as to what kind of night was in store. As it turned out it was relatively calm which relieved some but concerned others. One should be wary of a quiet pirate. The Flying We had seven certification flights over the weekend and five of those were students from the UW. Let's all give our newly certified flyers a nice WAC golf clap. Congratulations to David Peters, A. Keith Cowan, Michele Cash, Race Roberson, and Johnathan Wrobel. I hope you enjoyed yourself over the weekend and will come to fly with us again. I know you heard a lot of jokes about "open your wallets" and "say goodbye to your bank accounts" which can be intimidating for the first time flyer. And while true, please don't let that keep you from coming out for more launches. Aaron Lyons got his level 2 on a Binder Design Galaxy hitching a ride on a J540. It went up on a nice straight climb into the sky and tipped over with a perfect deployment. Bryan Young got his Level 1 cert on Sunday in fine fashion. His was the final flight of the year and launched a great 29mm minimum diameter bird clinging to a H128. In all we had 154 flights over the weekend, 127 of which came on Saturday. The C and G motors duked it out over the two days and eventually ended up with a draw for the preferred motor with 31 flights each. The motor full breakdown is as follows: A - 4 B - 8 C - 31 D - 13 E - 6 F - 13 G - 31 H - 18 I - 10 J - 12 K - 14 L - 1 There were many, many great flights and here are just a few of the the highlights: We had some marathon flying families this weekend. The Whitemarsh men were a force of nature with 14 flights between father and son. After going through the flight cards it looks like an entity named Jakob Ed Guillermo Junior Yansen had a strong showing with 13 flights. My own family turned in 17 flights over the two days, one of which was my mom launching her very first rocket. Neil Anderson once again came armed to the teeth with a clutch of K flights as well as a L1420 which was the largest motor of the launch. Robert Clark brought an amazing rocket made completely from PVC for a total of $5. Robert Winglee found the failure threshold speed for Quantum tubing on a spectacular shred of his bird riding a K550. The pieces of airframe sparkled in the sun as they came down, reminding everyone of confetti on New Years Eve. Daren Johnson really did use confetti in one of his birds. Dave Randall had an incredible two stage flight at the away pad. The arc of the booster at separation was a picture of geometric perfection. The upper stage seemed to coast forever while everyone waited for the K185 sustainer to light. Although he couldn't hear them, Dave's flight drew plenty of ooh's and ahh's. Bob Yanacek tickled the 10K waiver at the race track with his 38mm minimum diameter rocket on a J350 going to 9,300+ feet. Team Jopson had to go to the away cell to launch their version of the 38mm minimum diameter bird. You have to love a J350 flight where you need over 10,000 feet to fly. Dave Randall again, this time flying a rocket hanging on for dear life to a J1299 Warp 9 motor. Sitting on the pad the propellant in the reload weighed close to two pounds. Three quarters of a second later the propellant in the reload weighed nothing. No launch would be complete without a drag race or two. Logan Wyvel and Keleb Kull crossed swords with their Blue Ninja's. Johnny and Roman, the boys with no last name, also matched their best models against each other. Daron Johnson and Aaron Fogg were playing for keeps on the last launch of the day on Saturday for a nice lightshow in the darkening sky. While not a launch, Carl Hamilton received the other half of his rocket that fell victim to a tree last year. The most touching flight came at dusk on Saturday as John Hawkins launched his Scooby rocket on an AMW J230 Skidmark in tribute to his good friend who passed away last year. So that's it folks. Washington Aerospace is done for the year. We've come to that time when we start planning our winter projects and tend to the bumps and bruises we sustained in the previous months. Everyone enjoy the holidays and the upcoming new year and don't get too complacent because we all know how time flies between now and April. I know we have the list to stay in contact with one another but it's not the same as seeing everyone in person. Take care and I'm looking forward to seeing you all back in Mansfield in the spring. -------------- next part -------------- The 2008 launch season for The Washington Aerospace club is now in the books.? It's been a great year with memorable flights and great people.? Here is the flight report for the October WAC launch. ? First Some Business... We had a few items turned into lost and found.??A red rocket with white stripes on the fins made it's way back to the LCO table.? It had some 29mm hardware still inside and wouldn't let go without someone knowing its Kid Code.? In addition the upper airframe of a small blue rocket limped into to camp.? On Sunday morning?a FRS radio was found standing in as a leveling device for a high power pad.? And lastly a small barbie doll with a parachute wrapped around its neck floated into camp.? If any of these sound familiar send me a mail off list. ? Special thanks Without the town of Mansfield we would have?no launches,?so a very special thanks to Mayor Tom Snell and the town of Mansfield.? As usual we were greeted with open arms. I think the prefect example of this came on one of Carl Hamilton's flights.? The upper level winds carried his rocket into town and it ended up landing on a resident's roof.? She retrieved it and then drove out to the launch site to return it,?all the while thanking us for coming out and how wonderful it is that we have our launches here.? You can't beat that. ? The launch duty crews: Bob Yanacek, Brad Wright, Robert Clark, Aaron Fogg, Daren Johnson, Mark Lyons, Denny Smith, Harold Kellams, Jim Jopson, Robert Winglee, Neil Anderson, and Carl Hamilton. Thank you very much?for volunteering for launch duty.? On behalf of everyone I appreciate your willingness to sacrifice your own flying time so that folks could get their birds in the sky. ? Double thanks to Harold Kellams and Mark Lyons for the use of your pads.? Your quarter inch rods came in pretty handy this weekend. ? Thank you?Dad for hauling the GSE to and from the launch so I didn't have to. ? Bill Munds and Dave Woodard of Puget Sound Propulsion.? Thank you for making it out to all the launches and fulfilling all of our rocketry needs. ? Thank you Robert Winglee?for getting your students involved with rocketry and bringing them out to the launch.? We need more people like you in our schools and universities.? It was a great group of people, you were incredibly well organized, ?and you brought a lot of energy to the launch. ? As you all noticed we tried out some new flight cards this weekend.? A huge thanks to Dave Randall for designing these and getting them printed in time for the launch.? I heard some good feedback over the weekend and?if you have any comments about the new cards please send mail to Dave. ? The Weather Perfect, with a few kickers.? Friday night the wind really picked up and everyone in camp was rocking and rolling.? However, as if on cue, it settled down as morning came around?and by 10:00 AM?Saturday there was just a gentle breeze.? The wind helped scour out the clouds over night and we got to spend the rest of the weekend flying into a blinding blue sky.? As night wore on everyone got ready for a cool evening with the forecasted temperatures to get to the low 30's.? The forecast held true as the temperature hit 31 degrees on its way to?the low 20's.? The fire extinguishers were frozen and a nice layer of frost had coated the LCO table. Needless to say everyone was a little slow getting up on Sunday morning but as soon as the sun came out things warmed up and we were back at it. ? The People A rocket launch is as much about people as it is about putting fire in the sky. While not busy with prepping, launching, or recovering, everyone got caught up with friends and friendly faces since the?last time we were all here. On Saturday we had a great turn out with what I would say is the largest number of folks I've seen at an October launch.??As I noted above Robert Winglee brought his crew of students from the University of Washington and rolled into camp Friday night.? Denny Smith had an entourage of 10 folks who came out just to watch the event.? Dave Randall's mother was here all the way from Michigan to watch her boy fly.? As he always does, Tom Snell?came out to watch a few flights and to say hello.?By Saturday morning the pirate flags were flying as Brad Wright set up camp?and people were soon speculating as to what kind?of night was in store.? As it turned out it was relatively calm which relieved some but co ncerned others.?One should be wary of a quiet pirate.? ? The Flying We had seven certification flights over the weekend and?five of those were students from the UW. Let's all give our newly certified flyers a nice WAC golf clap.? ? Congratulations to David Peters, A. Keith Cowan, Michele Cash, Race Roberson, and Johnathan Wrobel.?I hope you enjoyed yourself over the weekend and will come to fly with us again. I know you heard a lot of jokes about "open your wallets" and "say goodbye to your bank accounts" which can be intimidating for the first time flyer.? And while true, please don't let that keep you from coming out for more launches. ? Aaron Lyons got his level 2 on a Binder Design Galaxy hitching a ride on a J540.??It went up on a nice straight climb into the sky?and tipped over with a?perfect deployment. ? Bryan Young got his Level 1 cert on Sunday in fine fashion.? His was the final?flight of the year?and launched a great 29mm?minimum diameter bird clinging to a H128. ? In all we had 154 flights over the weekend, 127 of?which came on Saturday.? The C and G motors duked it out over the two days and?eventually ended up?with a draw?for the preferred motor?with 31 flights each.? The motor full breakdown is as follows: ? A - 4 B - 8 C - 31 D - 13 E - 6 F - 13 G - 31 H - 18 I - 10 J - 12 K - 14 L - 1 ? ? There were many, many great flights and here?are just a few of the?the?highlights: ? We had some marathon flying families?this weekend. The Whitemarsh men were a force of nature with 14 flights between father and son. After going through the flight cards it looks like an entity named Jakob Ed Guillermo Junior Yansen had a strong showing with 13 flights. My own family turned in 17 flights over the two days, one of which was my mom launching her very first rocket. ? Neil Anderson once again came armed to the teeth with a?clutch of K flights as well as a L1420 which was the largest motor of the launch. ? Robert Clark brought an amazing rocket made completely from PVC for a total of $5. ? Robert Winglee found the failure threshold speed for Quantum tubing on a spectacular shred of his bird riding a K550.? The pieces of airframe?sparkled in the sun as they came down, reminding everyone of confetti on New Years Eve. ? Daren Johnson really did use confetti in one of his birds. ? Dave Randall had an incredible two stage flight at the away pad.? The arc of the booster at separation was a picture of geometric perfection.? The upper stage seemed to coast forever?while everyone waited for the K185 sustainer to light.??Although he couldn't hear them, Dave's flight?drew plenty of ooh's and ahh's. ? Bob Yanacek tickled the 10K waiver at the race track?with his 38mm minimum diameter rocket on a J350 going to 9,300+ feet. ? Team Jopson had to go to the away cell to launch their version of the 38mm minimum diameter bird.? You have to love a J350 flight where you need over 10,000 feet to fly. ? Dave Randall again, this time flying a rocket hanging on for dear life to a?J1299 Warp 9 motor.??Sitting on the pad?the propellant in the reload weighed close to two pounds.? Three quarters of a second later the propellant in the reload weighed nothing. ? No launch would be complete without a drag race or two. Logan Wyvel and Keleb Kull crossed swords with their Blue Ninja's.??Johnny and Roman, the boys with no last name, also matched their best models against each other.? Daron Johnson and Aaron Fogg were playing for keeps on the last launch of the day on Saturday for a nice lightshow in the darkening sky. ? While not a launch, Carl Hamilton received the other half of his rocket that fell victim to a tree last year. ? The most touching flight came at dusk on Saturday?as John Hawkins launched his Scooby rocket on an AMW J230 Skidmark in tribute to?his good friend?who passed away last year. ? ? ? So that's it folks.??Washington Aerospace is done for the year.? We've come to that time when we start planning our winter projects and tend to?the bumps and bruises?we sustained in the previous months.? Everyone enjoy the?holidays and the upcoming new year and don't get too complacent because we all know how time flies between now and April. I know we have the list to stay in contact with one another but it's not the same as seeing everyone in person.? Take care and I'm looking forward to seeing you all back in Mansfield in the spring. ? ? From dmrandall at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 14:34:10 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:34:10 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] [WAC-Members] Mansfield summary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6bc920e40810271434m21af2376ja498eafe5ba0e2b@mail.gmail.com> Thanks go to Mike for another great WAC RocketOber launch! I was excited to see this launch continues to be well attended. I had a fun J-1299 Warp-9 propellant flight of my Competitor 3 - Reached 3,334' with lots of coast time after the .7 second burn. My 2 stage Excel Plus Plus was near picture perfect... near. The flight was a K560 staging to a K185 for an estimated apogee at 10,000'. The booster sent everything to 2000' before the separation charge pushed away the sustainer. A slight pause... pause, then the sustainer lit and continued for a slightly arc'd flight to 9,114'. Apogee charge separated and a very small drogue was lost along with the rocket against the blue sky. We saw the main charge at 1,200' off to the SSE. Jumped in the car, and headed over with the Garmin Astro GPS tracker, and walked right to it! Main chute never made it out of the payload bay tube. Note to self - put the deployment charge behind the chute to push it out and separate the parts. Thanks to Brad for supplying that aha moment. No damage even with the "tumble" recovery. Dave From carl at mousetrap.com Mon Oct 27 14:38:08 2008 From: carl at mousetrap.com (Carl Hamilton) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:38:08 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] That's a wrap everyone! In-Reply-To: <102720082110.1864.49062E3300063F28000007482213575333040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> References: <102720082110.1864.49062E3300063F28000007482213575333040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the perfectly run launch and the beautifully written report, Mike. I do have to make one correction, however. The flight that was recovered and returned by a Mansfield resident was Bob Yanacek's. I did have a flight that drifted into town, the "living room recovery", but that's another story... - Carl On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:10 PM, wrote: > Without the town of Mansfield we would have no launches, so a very special > thanks to Mayor Tom Snell and the town of Mansfield. As usual we were > greeted with open arms. I think the prefect example of this came on one of > Carl Hamilton's flights. The upper level winds carried his rocket into town > and it ended up landing on a resident's roof. She retrieved it and then > drove out to the launch site to return it, all the while thanking us for > coming out and how wonderful it is that we have our launches here. You > can't beat that. > > -------------- next part -------------- ?- Carl On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:10 PM, < mailto:mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net > wrote: Without the town of Mansfield we would have?no launches,?so a very special thanks to Mayor Tom Snell and the town of Mansfield.? As usual we were greeted with open arms. I think the prefect example of this came on one of Carl Hamilton's flights.? The upper level winds carried his rocket into town and it ended up landing on a resident's roof.? She retrieved it and then drove out to the launch site to return it,?all the while thanking us for coming out and how wonderful it is that we have our launches here.? You can't beat that. ? From Mfreptiles at aol.com Mon Oct 27 16:06:17 2008 From: Mfreptiles at aol.com (Mfreptiles at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:06:17 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] That's a wrap everyone! Message-ID: In a message dated 10/27/2008 2:12:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net writes: Aaron Lyons got his level 2 on a Binder Design Galaxy hitching a ride on a J540. It went up on a nice straight climb into the sky and tipped over with a perfect deployment. Congrats Aaron! Thank you for flying Binder Design! Mike Fisher Binder Design **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ??? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 10/27/2008 2:12:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net writes: Aaron Lyons got his level 2 on a Binder Design Galaxy hitching a ride on a J540.? It went up on a nice straight climb into the sky and tipped over with a perfect deployment. ? ? Congrats Aaron!? Thank you for flying Binder Design! ? Mike Fisher Binder Design ? ? Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ??? http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001 check it out! From greg at bigredbee.com Mon Oct 27 22:12:43 2008 From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:12:43 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop Message-ID: At the last OROC Brothers launch (brrr) I dumped an entire cup of (cold) coffee into my Trusty Olde Dell Laptop. So I started looking around for a new one, and bought a (used, but like new) IBM T41 (1.6G Celeron) for < $200 on Ebay. It's an awesome laptop -- it's the one I used to have at work until "upgraded" to the T60 ( I think I like the T41 better) . The unit I bought had no case, no battery charger, and no OS installed, so good thing I already had those. Bottom line, it's one helluva laptop for under $200 if you've got the missing parts, or can find them cheaply. Good thing I didn't buy the "POS" Dell with a Pentium processor that I saw at the surplus store for $100 that I thought was a good idea. -- Greg From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Mon Oct 27 22:29:27 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:29:27 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B30238F446A@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Here's what you want for a rocket laptop http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/reseller-fully-rugged-product.asp :) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:13 PM To: nwrockets Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop At the last OROC Brothers launch (brrr) I dumped an entire cup of (cold) coffee into my Trusty Olde Dell Laptop. So I started looking around for a new one, and bought a (used, but like new) IBM T41 (1.6G Celeron) for < $200 on Ebay. It's an awesome laptop -- it's the one I used to have at work until "upgraded" to the T60 ( I think I like the T41 better) . The unit I bought had no case, no battery charger, and no OS installed, so good thing I already had those. Bottom line, it's one helluva laptop for under $200 if you've got the missing parts, or can find them cheaply. Good thing I didn't buy the "POS" Dell with a Pentium processor that I saw at the surplus store for $100 that I thought was a good idea. -- Greg _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Tue Oct 28 02:21:24 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:21:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1148.208.100.241.215.1225185684.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Ah yes, the annual Brothers Octobrrrr launch. ;-) +McG+ > At the last OROC Brothers launch (brrr) I dumped an entire cup of > (cold) coffee into my Trusty Olde Dell Laptop. So I started looking > around for a new one, and bought a (used, but like new) IBM T41 (1.6G > Celeron) for < $200 on Ebay. It's an awesome laptop -- it's the one > I used to have at work until "upgraded" to the T60 ( I think I like > the T41 better) . The unit I bought had no case, no battery charger, > and no OS installed, so good thing I already had those. > > Bottom line, it's one helluva laptop for under $200 if you've got the > missing parts, or can find them cheaply. > > Good thing I didn't buy the "POS" Dell with a Pentium processor that > I saw at the surplus store for $100 that I thought was a good idea. > > -- Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Tue Oct 28 02:26:36 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:26:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop In-Reply-To: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B30238F446A@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.excha ngelabs.com> References: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B30238F446A@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <1171.208.100.241.215.1225185996.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Gotta love the "XP downgrade" option! [snicker] +McG+ > Here's what you want for a rocket laptop > > http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/reseller-fully-rugged-product.asp > > :) > > b > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Greg Clark > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:13 PM > To: nwrockets > Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop > > At the last OROC Brothers launch (brrr) I dumped an entire cup of > (cold) coffee into my Trusty Olde Dell Laptop. So I started looking > around for a new one, and bought a (used, but like new) IBM T41 (1.6G > Celeron) for < $200 on Ebay. It's an awesome laptop -- it's the one > I used to have at work until "upgraded" to the T60 ( I think I like > the T41 better) . The unit I bought had no case, no battery charger, > and no OS installed, so good thing I already had those. > > Bottom line, it's one helluva laptop for under $200 if you've got the > missing parts, or can find them cheaply. > > Good thing I didn't buy the "POS" Dell with a Pentium processor that > I saw at the surplus store for $100 that I thought was a good idea. > > -- Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From foreveryoung at inlandnet.com Tue Oct 28 08:04:24 2008 From: foreveryoung at inlandnet.com (Bryan Young) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:04:24 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop In-Reply-To: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B30238F446A@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B30238F446A@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <002e01c9390e$79c4b630$6d4e2290$@com> If you're lucky, sometimes just letting the unit dry out does the trick. I once spilled coffee on three desktops at the same time in a lab... Even better is just to put a membrane over your keyboard and screen. Toughbooks and other ruggedized computers are tough, but, in the long run, how many regular laptops can you buy for the premium you pay for these machines? On my next round-to-it, I'm experimenting with altimeter programming and rocket performance data generation on something like a pocket PC. -B -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:29 PM To: Greg Clark; nwrockets Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop Here's what you want for a rocket laptop http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/reseller-fully-rugged-product.as p :) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:13 PM To: nwrockets Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop At the last OROC Brothers launch (brrr) I dumped an entire cup of (cold) coffee into my Trusty Olde Dell Laptop. So I started looking around for a new one, and bought a (used, but like new) IBM T41 (1.6G Celeron) for < $200 on Ebay. It's an awesome laptop -- it's the one I used to have at work until "upgraded" to the T60 ( I think I like the T41 better) . The unit I bought had no case, no battery charger, and no OS installed, so good thing I already had those. Bottom line, it's one helluva laptop for under $200 if you've got the missing parts, or can find them cheaply. Good thing I didn't buy the "POS" Dell with a Pentium processor that I saw at the surplus store for $100 that I thought was a good idea. -- Greg _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From chris at faponline.net Tue Oct 28 08:06:56 2008 From: chris at faponline.net (Chris Stone) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:06:56 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop In-Reply-To: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B30238F446A@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <465C0490CA4F46FDBDC277978F3C0052@Bangor> I have a Durabook which is semi-rugged so it is cheaper and lighter than full rugged but still can be dropped spilled on etc. I am really happy with it. Christopher Stone -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:29 PM To: Greg Clark; nwrockets Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop Here's what you want for a rocket laptop http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/reseller-fully-rugged-product.as p :) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:13 PM To: nwrockets Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop At the last OROC Brothers launch (brrr) I dumped an entire cup of (cold) coffee into my Trusty Olde Dell Laptop. So I started looking around for a new one, and bought a (used, but like new) IBM T41 (1.6G Celeron) for < $200 on Ebay. It's an awesome laptop -- it's the one I used to have at work until "upgraded" to the T60 ( I think I like the T41 better) . The unit I bought had no case, no battery charger, and no OS installed, so good thing I already had those. Bottom line, it's one helluva laptop for under $200 if you've got the missing parts, or can find them cheaply. Good thing I didn't buy the "POS" Dell with a Pentium processor that I saw at the surplus store for $100 that I thought was a good idea. -- Greg _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From foreveryoung at inlandnet.com Tue Oct 28 09:32:17 2008 From: foreveryoung at inlandnet.com (Bryan Young) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:32:17 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Mansfield October Launch Impressions Message-ID: <004601c9391a$bdfbab90$39f302b0$@com> At 2pm on Saturday, the Mansfield Missile Range -er- launch site was finally visible out of my vehicles windshield. Then there was a large, roiling ground-level cloud of grayish-brown smoke, and a brilliant fire moving in a shallow, graceful, vertical arc across the sky. This launch, from this distance, looked like the photos in magazines of "small", professional rocket launches. I was almost drooling on the steering wheel. My wife was yelling at me to stay on the road. Our departure was delayed from Friday until Saturday. I was a man on a mission. My wife thought I was going crazy. Due to the delay, we needed to see if our cabin at the Jameson Lake Resort was still available. After finding the resort abandoned, we arrived at the launch site at 3pm. It had been a year since I'd been to a launch. A lot had changed over the period of year. The back of my truck was now filled with all kinds of rocket construction and support equipment. Several people even knew who I was. There's no substitute for attending a launch. Pictures and video are inept at capturing the full dynamic range of rocket launches. Media records the world as seen and heard through a straw. The brilliant luminescence and near-deafening roar of the exhaust is just mimeographed on media. The perception of scale, particularly in perceiving the insane acceleration of a rocket and its resulting journey to an infinitesimal speck against the grandeur of the sky is forever lost. I'd been working on my "Type I Heat-Seeking Spear" - a Hawk Mountain Raptor on and off since August of 2007. I'd had miserable failures trying to apply pigmented epoxy on it for "paint" and in designing a dual-deploy system. I'd heard dire warnings of certain doom regarding using a minimum-diameter rocket for an L1 certification flight. That said, the vacuum-bagged carbon-fiber tape fin support system and modifying the nose cone for a Beeline TX were successes. It should be noted that one experiment with this rocket was to see if various colors - red, fluorescent orange, white, and silver on the fins would make the rocket easier to track. My L1 project wasn't even finished yet. Despite bugs landing in the cans of Aeropoxy, the final touches cured nicely in our Chelan hotel room. Now I just needed to get the family under way before the range closed on Sunday. Up at 6-am, we finally arrived at 10am. The dreaded task of deciphering Aerotech reload instructions commenced. As expected, entire steps were left out and drawings were not remotely close to scale. With a borrowed motor retention nut from Dave Woodard, it was off to the L1 certification group interview. With the parking area approaching empty, the rocket was on the pad. With all the problems I'd faced, my mind was racing about the effects of various imperfections on the rocket. After connecting the igniter cable to the battery, the Type I Heat-Seeking Spear leapt off the pad with practically no roll. Due to looking through a camera, I lost track of where the rocket was. One of the six people saw something glittering from the rocket. My mind raced to pieces of rocket falling from the sky. Finally, the lime-green parachute was clearly visible - albeit not quite open fully. I could relax, it was the silver fin that produced the glittering effect. Recovery was easy with just a short stroll. However, my son kept getting sticky-burs in his shoes, requiring me to take off his shoes three times before finally putting him on my back. We triumphantly returned with an intact rocket and a parachute that was slightly charred on the edges. I had originally thought that getting my L1 wasn't that big a deal. Get a good kit. Follow instructions. Use good epoxy. Carefully align components. Now that I've done it, it is a big deal. Attention to detail is everything. -B -------------- next part -------------- At 2pm on Saturday, the Mansfield Missile Range -er- launch site was finally visible out of my vehicles windshield. Then there was a large, roiling ground-level cloud of grayish-brown smoke, and a brilliant fire moving in a shallow, graceful, vertical arc across the sky. This launch, from this distance, looked like the photos in magazines of ???small???, professional rocket launches. I was almost drooling on the steering wheel. My wife was yelling at me to stay on the road. ? Our departure was delayed from Friday until Saturday. I was a man on a mission. My wife thought I was going crazy. Due to the delay, we needed to see if our cabin at the Jameson Lake Resort was still available. After finding the resort abandoned, we arrived at the launch site at 3pm. ? It had been a year since I???d been to a launch. A lot had changed over the period of year. The back of my truck was now filled with all kinds of rocket construction and support equipment. Several people even knew who I was. ? There???s no substitute for attending a launch. Pictures and video are inept at capturing the full dynamic range of rocket launches. Media records the world as seen and heard through a straw. The brilliant luminescence and near-deafening roar of the exhaust is just mimeographed on media. The perception of scale, particularly in perceiving the insane acceleration of a rocket and its resulting journey to an infinitesimal speck against the grandeur of the sky is forever lost. ? I???d been working on my ???Type I Heat-Seeking Spear??? ??? a Hawk Mountain Raptor on and off since August of 2007. I???d had miserable failures trying to apply pigmented epoxy on it for ???paint??? and in designing a dual-deploy system. I???d heard dire warnings of certain doom regarding using a minimum-diameter rocket for an L1 certification flight. That said, the vacuum-bagged carbon-fiber tape fin support system and modifying the nose cone for a Beeline TX were successes. It should be noted that one experiment with this rocket was to see if various colors ??? red, fluorescent orange, white, and silver on the fins would make the rocket easier to track. ? My L1 project wasn???t even finished yet. Despite bugs landing in the cans of Aeropoxy, the final touches cured nicely in our Chelan hotel room. Now I just needed to get the family under way before the range closed on Sunday. ? Up at 6-am, we finally arrived at 10am. The dreaded task of deciphering Aerotech reload instructions commenced. As expected, entire steps were left out and drawings were not remotely close to scale. With a borrowed motor retention nut from Dave Woodard, it was off to the L1 certification group interview. ? With the parking area approaching empty, the rocket was on the pad. With all the problems I???d faced, my mind was racing about the effects of various imperfections on the rocket. After connecting the igniter cable to the battery, the Type I Heat-Seeking Spear leapt off the pad with practically no roll. Due to looking through a camera, I lost track of where the rocket was. One of the six people saw something glittering from the rocket. My mind raced to pieces of rocket falling from the sky. Finally, the lime-green parachute was clearly visible ??? albeit not quite open fully. I could relax, it was the silver fin that produced the glittering effect. ? Recovery was easy with just a short stroll. However, my son kept getting sticky-burs in his shoes, requiring me to take off his shoes three times before finally putting him on my back. We triumphantly returned with an intact rocket and a parachute that was slightly charred on the edges. ? I had originally thought that getting my L1 wasn???t that big a deal. Get a good kit. Follow instructions. Use good epoxy. Carefully align components. Now that I???ve done it, it is a big deal. Attention to detail is everything. -B From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Tue Oct 28 21:55:22 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:55:22 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop In-Reply-To: <002e01c9390e$79c4b630$6d4e2290$@com> References: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B30238F446A@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <002e01c9390e$79c4b630$6d4e2290$@com> Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B3023AEE531@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> One trip to Blackrock will make you think about this a little more. It destroys everything.... -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Young [mailto:foreveryoung at inlandnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:04 AM To: Brad Wright; 'Greg Clark'; 'nwrockets' Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop If you're lucky, sometimes just letting the unit dry out does the trick. I once spilled coffee on three desktops at the same time in a lab... Even better is just to put a membrane over your keyboard and screen. Toughbooks and other ruggedized computers are tough, but, in the long run, how many regular laptops can you buy for the premium you pay for these machines? On my next round-to-it, I'm experimenting with altimeter programming and rocket performance data generation on something like a pocket PC. -B -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:29 PM To: Greg Clark; nwrockets Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop Here's what you want for a rocket laptop http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/reseller-fully-rugged-product.as p :) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:13 PM To: nwrockets Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop At the last OROC Brothers launch (brrr) I dumped an entire cup of (cold) coffee into my Trusty Olde Dell Laptop. So I started looking around for a new one, and bought a (used, but like new) IBM T41 (1.6G Celeron) for < $200 on Ebay. It's an awesome laptop -- it's the one I used to have at work until "upgraded" to the T60 ( I think I like the T41 better) . The unit I bought had no case, no battery charger, and no OS installed, so good thing I already had those. Bottom line, it's one helluva laptop for under $200 if you've got the missing parts, or can find them cheaply. Good thing I didn't buy the "POS" Dell with a Pentium processor that I saw at the surplus store for $100 that I thought was a good idea. -- Greg _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at bigredbee.com Tue Oct 28 22:47:07 2008 From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:47:07 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop In-Reply-To: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B3023AEE531@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B30238F446A@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <002e01c9390e$79c4b630$6d4e2290$@com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B3023AEE531@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: It wasn't the numerous trips to Blackrock or Brothers that killed my laptop. I don't break it out of it's protective case unless I'm using it, and then it's usually not during a windstorm. It was the coffee that killed it ;) For $200, I'll keep buying surplus laptops. So far, over the past 10 years, I've only sunk $200 into laptops dedicated to rockets. The laptop on question has been drying for weeks. I think it made a "sparky noise" the last time I turned it on. TIme for the dumpster. -- Greg (and my T41) On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Brad Wright wrote: > One trip to Blackrock will make you think about this a little more. It > destroys everything.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Young [mailto:foreveryoung at inlandnet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:04 AM > To: Brad Wright; 'Greg Clark'; 'nwrockets' > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop > > If you're lucky, sometimes just letting the unit dry out does the trick. I > once spilled coffee on three desktops at the same time in a lab... > > Even better is just to put a membrane over your keyboard and screen. > > Toughbooks and other ruggedized computers are tough, but, in the long run, > how many regular laptops can you buy for the premium you pay for these > machines? > > On my next round-to-it, I'm experimenting with altimeter programming and > rocket performance data generation on something like a pocket PC. > -B > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Brad Wright > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:29 PM > To: Greg Clark; nwrockets > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop > > Here's what you want for a rocket laptop > > > http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/reseller-fully-rugged-product.as > p > > :) > > b > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Greg Clark > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:13 PM > To: nwrockets > Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop > > At the last OROC Brothers launch (brrr) I dumped an entire cup of > (cold) coffee into my Trusty Olde Dell Laptop. So I started looking > around for a new one, and bought a (used, but like new) IBM T41 (1.6G > Celeron) for < $200 on Ebay. It's an awesome laptop -- it's the one > I used to have at work until "upgraded" to the T60 ( I think I like > the T41 better) . The unit I bought had no case, no battery charger, > and no OS installed, so good thing I already had those. > > Bottom line, it's one helluva laptop for under $200 if you've got the > missing parts, or can find them cheaply. > > Good thing I didn't buy the "POS" Dell with a Pentium processor that > I saw at the surplus store for $100 that I thought was a good idea. > > -- Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > -------------- next part -------------- It wasn't the numerous trips to Blackrock or Brothers that killed my laptop.? I don't break it out of it's protective case unless I'm using ?it, and then it's usually not during a windstorm.? It was the coffee that killed it ;) ? For $200, I'll keep buying surplus laptops.? So far, over the past 10 years, I've only sunk $200 into laptops dedicated to rockets. ? The laptop on question has been drying for weeks.? I think it made a "sparky noise" the last time I turned it on.? TIme for the dumpster. ? -- Greg (and my T41) On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Brad Wright < mailto:bradwr at wrightholdings.com bradwr at wrightholdings.com > wrote: One trip to Blackrock will make you think about this a little more. ?It destroys everything.... -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Young [mailto: mailto:foreveryoung at inlandnet.com foreveryoung at inlandnet.com ] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:04 AM To: Brad Wright; 'Greg Clark'; 'nwrockets' Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop If you're lucky, sometimes just letting the unit dry out does the trick. I once spilled coffee on three desktops at the same time in a lab... Even better is just to put a membrane over your keyboard and screen. Toughbooks and other ruggedized computers are tough, but, in the long run, how many regular laptops can you buy for the premium you pay for these machines? On my next round-to-it, I'm experimenting with altimeter programming and rocket performance data generation on something like a pocket PC. -B -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:29 PM To: Greg Clark; nwrockets Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop Here's what you want for a rocket laptop http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/reseller-fully-rugged-product.asp http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/reseller-fully-rugged-product.as p :) b -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:13 PM To: nwrockets Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop At the last OROC Brothers launch (brrr) ?I dumped an entire cup of (cold) coffee into my Trusty Olde Dell Laptop. ?So I started looking around for a new one, and bought a (used, but like new) IBM T41 (1.6G Celeron) ?for < $200 on Ebay. ?It's an awesome laptop -- it's the one I used to have at work until ?"upgraded" to the T60 ( I think I like the T41 better) . ?The unit I bought had no case, no ?battery charger, and no OS installed, so good thing I already had those. Bottom line, it's one helluva laptop for under $200 if you've got the missing parts, or can find them cheaply. Good thing I didn't buy the "POS" Dell with a Pentium processor ?that I saw at the surplus store for $100 that I thought was a good idea. -- Greg _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Oct 28 23:25:41 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:25:41 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Is NASA Ares doomed? Message-ID: <490801E5.5000301@earthlink.net> http://www.physorg.com/news144307123.html Is NASA Areas Doomed? (excerpt) Bit by bit, the new rocket ship that is supposed to blast America into the second Space Age and return astronauts to the moon appears to be coming undone. First was the discovery that it lacked sufficient power to lift astronauts in a state-of-the-art capsule into orbit. Then engineers found out that it might vibrate like a giant tuning fork, shaking its crew to death. Now, in the latest setback to the Ares I, computer models show the ship could crash into its launch tower during liftoff. The issue is known as "liftoff drift." Ignition of the rocket's solid-fuel motor makes it "jump" sideways on the pad, and a southeast breeze stronger than 12.7 mph would be enough to push the 309-foot-tall ship into its launch tower. "I get the impression that things are quickly going from bad to worse to unrecoverable." NASA had to quell near-revolts by astronauts and scientists who last month took issue during a preliminary design review of Ares I. In the end, they were cajoled into backing the review. The review graded the rocket against 10 criteria from NASA's program-management handbook. Seven of the marks were the equivalent of a C or a D. Overall, the project earned a grade-point average of 2.1, a low C. The reasons for the low grades included concerns that its electronics and control systems could be shaken apart on liftoff and the launch-drift issue. From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Tue Oct 28 23:47:33 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:47:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop In-Reply-To: <002e01c9390e$79c4b630$6d4e2290$@com> References: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B30238F446A@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <002e01c9390e$79c4b630$6d4e2290$@com> Message-ID: <1089.208.100.241.192.1225262853.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Not quite the same, but... Many years ago I spilled Southern Comfort on a TI-59 calculator. Nice, sugary, sticky liquor. On my prized, can't live without it programmable calculator. As to how, well, it had something to do with coordination and alcohol. Anyway, I took the calculator apart, rinsed everything with distilled water, let it all air dry for several days and then re-assembled it. Re-assembled that is, up to the point where I realized I didn't know which hole which little plastic button went with. Uh, hadn't thought that far ahead. Duh. A frantic trip through the attic turned up the box which had a nice picture of the calculator with all the proper positions for the buttons clearly showing. Worked fine for years. No, the moral of the story is NOT to refrain from going near your computer while inebriated and holding a drink. That would be asking way too much. The moral is: Always keep the original packaging. ;-) +McG+ > If you're lucky, sometimes just letting the unit dry out does the trick. I > once spilled coffee on three desktops at the same time in a lab... > > Even better is just to put a membrane over your keyboard and screen. > > Toughbooks and other ruggedized computers are tough, but, in the long run, > how many regular laptops can you buy for the premium you pay for these > machines? > > On my next round-to-it, I'm experimenting with altimeter programming and > rocket performance data generation on something like a pocket PC. > -B > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Brad Wright > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:29 PM > To: Greg Clark; nwrockets > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop > > Here's what you want for a rocket laptop > > http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/reseller-fully-rugged-product.as > p > > :) > > b > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Greg Clark > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:13 PM > To: nwrockets > Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop > > At the last OROC Brothers launch (brrr) I dumped an entire cup of > (cold) coffee into my Trusty Olde Dell Laptop. So I started looking > around for a new one, and bought a (used, but like new) IBM T41 (1.6G > Celeron) for < $200 on Ebay. It's an awesome laptop -- it's the one > I used to have at work until "upgraded" to the T60 ( I think I like > the T41 better) . The unit I bought had no case, no battery charger, > and no OS installed, so good thing I already had those. > > Bottom line, it's one helluva laptop for under $200 if you've got the > missing parts, or can find them cheaply. > > Good thing I didn't buy the "POS" Dell with a Pentium processor that > I saw at the surplus store for $100 that I thought was a good idea. > > -- Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Wed Oct 29 00:22:03 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:22:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Is NASA Ares doomed? In-Reply-To: <490801E5.5000301@earthlink.net> References: <490801E5.5000301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1196.208.100.241.192.1225264923.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> What bothers me the most is that NASA is now in the familiar hobbyist mode of building new rockets out of the junk box. That always takes more epoxy to hold things together. When I watched the first shuttle launch on tv I thought its successor would be a spaceplane or even (Gasp! Burn him at the stake!) maybe a disk shaped spacecraft. But no, we get: peas porridge hot peas porridge cold peas porridge in the pot thirty years old. Sigh. And it looks like the handle just might fall off the pot they're using. Even SpaceX is using old technology--LOX kerosene is about as basic a launch vehicle technology that you can get. At least SpaceX doing it cheaper. To paraphrase the iconic late Clara Peller: Where's the new? +McG+ > http://www.physorg.com/news144307123.html > Is NASA Areas Doomed? > > (excerpt) > Bit by bit, the new rocket ship that is supposed to blast America into > the second Space Age and return astronauts to the moon appears to be > coming undone. > > First was the discovery that it lacked sufficient power to lift > astronauts in a state-of-the-art capsule into orbit. Then engineers > found out that it might vibrate like a giant tuning fork, shaking its > crew to death. > > Now, in the latest setback to the Ares I, computer models show the ship > could crash into its launch tower during liftoff. > > The issue is known as "liftoff drift." Ignition of the rocket's > solid-fuel motor makes it "jump" sideways on the pad, and a southeast > breeze stronger than 12.7 mph would be enough to push the 309-foot-tall > ship into its launch tower. > > "I get the impression that things are quickly going from bad to worse to > unrecoverable." > > NASA had to quell near-revolts by astronauts and scientists who last > month took issue during a preliminary design review of Ares I. In the > end, they were cajoled into backing the review. > > The review graded the rocket against 10 criteria from NASA's > program-management handbook. Seven of the marks were the equivalent of a > C or a D. Overall, the project earned a grade-point average of 2.1, a > low C. > > The reasons for the low grades included concerns that its electronics > and control systems could be shaken apart on liftoff and the > launch-drift issue. > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From winningstad at comcast.net Wed Oct 29 06:17:12 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:17:12 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Is NASA Ares doomed? In-Reply-To: <1196.208.100.241.192.1225264923.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> References: <490801E5.5000301@earthlink.net> <1196.208.100.241.192.1225264923.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Message-ID: NASA's problem is they are a huge Gov bureaucracy. Funding a clean sheet private venture would do wonders for them. Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "Military power wins battles, but spiritual power wins wars." General George Catlett Marshall -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:22 AM To: Hammer Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Is NASA Ares doomed? What bothers me the most is that NASA is now in the familiar hobbyist mode of building new rockets out of the junk box. That always takes more epoxy to hold things together. When I watched the first shuttle launch on tv I thought its successor would be a spaceplane or even (Gasp! Burn him at the stake!) maybe a disk shaped spacecraft. But no, we get: peas porridge hot peas porridge cold peas porridge in the pot thirty years old. Sigh. And it looks like the handle just might fall off the pot they're using. Even SpaceX is using old technology--LOX kerosene is about as basic a launch vehicle technology that you can get. At least SpaceX doing it cheaper. To paraphrase the iconic late Clara Peller: Where's the new? +McG+ > http://www.physorg.com/news144307123.html > Is NASA Areas Doomed? > > (excerpt) > Bit by bit, the new rocket ship that is supposed to blast America into > the second Space Age and return astronauts to the moon appears to be > coming undone. > > First was the discovery that it lacked sufficient power to lift > astronauts in a state-of-the-art capsule into orbit. Then engineers > found out that it might vibrate like a giant tuning fork, shaking its > crew to death. > > Now, in the latest setback to the Ares I, computer models show the ship > could crash into its launch tower during liftoff. > > The issue is known as "liftoff drift." Ignition of the rocket's > solid-fuel motor makes it "jump" sideways on the pad, and a southeast > breeze stronger than 12.7 mph would be enough to push the 309-foot-tall > ship into its launch tower. > > "I get the impression that things are quickly going from bad to worse to > unrecoverable." > > NASA had to quell near-revolts by astronauts and scientists who last > month took issue during a preliminary design review of Ares I. In the > end, they were cajoled into backing the review. > > The review graded the rocket against 10 criteria from NASA's > program-management handbook. Seven of the marks were the equivalent of a > C or a D. Overall, the project earned a grade-point average of 2.1, a > low C. > > The reasons for the low grades included concerns that its electronics > and control systems could be shaken apart on liftoff and the > launch-drift issue. > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From winningstad at comcast.net Wed Oct 29 06:31:26 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:31:26 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop In-Reply-To: References: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B30238F446A@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com><002e01c9390e$79c4b630$6d4e2290$@com><4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B3023AEE531@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: Greg, did the smoke get out? Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "Military power wins battles, but spiritual power wins wars." General George Catlett Marshall -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:47 PM To: Brad Wright Cc: nwrockets Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop It wasn't the numerous trips to Blackrock or Brothers that killed my laptop. I don't break it out of it's protective case unless I'm using it, and then it's usually not during a windstorm. It was the coffee that killed it ;) For $200, I'll keep buying surplus laptops. So far, over the past 10 years, I've only sunk $200 into laptops dedicated to rockets. The laptop on question has been drying for weeks. I think it made a "sparky noise" the last time I turned it on. TIme for the dumpster. -- Greg (and my T41) On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Brad Wright wrote: > One trip to Blackrock will make you think about this a little more. It > destroys everything.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Young [mailto:foreveryoung at inlandnet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:04 AM > To: Brad Wright; 'Greg Clark'; 'nwrockets' > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop > > If you're lucky, sometimes just letting the unit dry out does the trick. I > once spilled coffee on three desktops at the same time in a lab... > > Even better is just to put a membrane over your keyboard and screen. > > Toughbooks and other ruggedized computers are tough, but, in the long run, > how many regular laptops can you buy for the premium you pay for these > machines? > > On my next round-to-it, I'm experimenting with altimeter programming and > rocket performance data generation on something like a pocket PC. > -B > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Brad Wright > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:29 PM > To: Greg Clark; nwrockets > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop > > Here's what you want for a rocket laptop > > > http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/reseller-fully-rugged-product.as > p > > :) > > b > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Greg Clark > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:13 PM > To: nwrockets > Subject: [RocketsNW] ROCKET laptop > > At the last OROC Brothers launch (brrr) I dumped an entire cup of > (cold) coffee into my Trusty Olde Dell Laptop. So I started looking > around for a new one, and bought a (used, but like new) IBM T41 (1.6G > Celeron) for < $200 on Ebay. It's an awesome laptop -- it's the one > I used to have at work until "upgraded" to the T60 ( I think I like > the T41 better) . The unit I bought had no case, no battery charger, > and no OS installed, so good thing I already had those. > > Bottom line, it's one helluva laptop for under $200 if you've got the > missing parts, or can find them cheaply. > > Good thing I didn't buy the "POS" Dell with a Pentium processor that > I saw at the surplus store for $100 that I thought was a good idea. > > -- Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net Thu Oct 30 10:23:14 2008 From: mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net (mikeandkimwyvel at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:23:14 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] WAC GSE Cleaning/November Meeting Message-ID: <103020081723.20911.4909ED820002BD5D000051AF2200761394040A9097990307050B020E0A050703@comcast.net> Hello all. We will be having the WAC GSE cleaning/November meeting on Saturday November 8th at 9:00 AM at the club trailer location in Fife. Please note that the regularly scheduled meeting has been moved out one week. If you go to the church this coming Saturday night nobody will be there. I'll have breakfast treats and coffee for the folks that show up. Please reply directly to me to let me know if you will be coming so I know how much to bring. Directions to the meeting place and the agenda will be sent out next week. Thanks, Mike -------------- next part -------------- Hello all.? We will be having the WAC GSE cleaning/November meeting on Saturday November?8th at 9:00 AM at the club trailer location in Fife.? Please note that the regularly scheduled meeting has been moved out one week.? If you go to the church this coming Saturday night nobody will be there.? I'll have breakfast treats and coffee?for the folks that show up.?Please reply directly to me to let me know if you will be coming so I know how much to bring.? Directions to the meeting place and the agenda will be sent out next week. ? Thanks, Mike From terry at mooreread.com Thu Oct 30 14:36:51 2008 From: terry at mooreread.com (Terry Moore-Read) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:36:51 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] Is NASA Ares doomed? In-Reply-To: References: <490801E5.5000301@earthlink.net> <1196.208.100.241.192.1225264923.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Message-ID: <06977A94-0472-43B7-A54B-3A80CF65DD4F@mooreread.com> Yeah because lockheed martin & boeing have nothing to do with designing / building ares at all. On Oct 29, 2008, at 6:17 AM, Dennis Winningstad wrote: > NASA's problem is they are a huge Gov bureaucracy. Funding a clean > sheet > private venture would do wonders for them. > > Dennis S Winningstad > 503-781-3529 > > "Military power wins battles, but spiritual power wins wars." > General George Catlett Marshall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > ] > On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:22 AM > To: Hammer > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Is NASA Ares doomed? > > What bothers me the most is that NASA is now in the familiar > hobbyist mode > of building new rockets out of the junk box. That always takes more > epoxy > to hold things together. > > When I watched the first shuttle launch on tv I thought its successor > would be a spaceplane or even (Gasp! Burn him at the stake!) maybe a > disk > shaped spacecraft. But no, we get: > peas porridge hot > peas porridge cold > peas porridge in the pot > thirty years old. > > Sigh. And it looks like the handle just might fall off the pot > they're > using. > > Even SpaceX is using old technology--LOX kerosene is about as basic a > launch vehicle technology that you can get. At least SpaceX doing it > cheaper. > > To paraphrase the iconic late Clara Peller: Where's the new? > +McG+ > > >> http://www.physorg.com/news144307123.html >> Is NASA Areas Doomed? >> >> (excerpt) >> Bit by bit, the new rocket ship that is supposed to blast America >> into >> the second Space Age and return astronauts to the moon appears to be >> coming undone. >> >> First was the discovery that it lacked sufficient power to lift >> astronauts in a state-of-the-art capsule into orbit. Then engineers >> found out that it might vibrate like a giant tuning fork, shaking its >> crew to death. >> >> Now, in the latest setback to the Ares I, computer models show the >> ship >> could crash into its launch tower during liftoff. >> >> The issue is known as "liftoff drift." Ignition of the rocket's >> solid-fuel motor makes it "jump" sideways on the pad, and a southeast >> breeze stronger than 12.7 mph would be enough to push the 309-foot- >> tall >> ship into its launch tower. >> >> "I get the impression that things are quickly going from bad to >> worse to >> unrecoverable." >> >> NASA had to quell near-revolts by astronauts and scientists who last >> month took issue during a preliminary design review of Ares I. In the >> end, they were cajoled into backing the review. >> >> The review graded the rocket against 10 criteria from NASA's >> program-management handbook. Seven of the marks were the equivalent >> of a >> C or a D. Overall, the project earned a grade-point average of 2.1, a >> low C. >> >> The reasons for the low grades included concerns that its electronics >> and control systems could be shaken apart on liftoff and the >> launch-drift issue. >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lukins & Annis, P.S. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or privileged material, and is intended solely for use by the above referenced recipient. Any review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the recipient, and believe that you have received this in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received. Thank You! From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Fri Oct 31 01:17:30 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:17:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Is NASA Ares doomed? In-Reply-To: References: <490801E5.5000301@earthlink.net> <1196.208.100.241.192.1225264923.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Message-ID: <1126.208.100.240.10.1225441050.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Yup, NASA's a huge gov't bureau-tortoise that is about to have Elon Musk and Bob Bigelow leave rabbit tracks all over its back. Bump bump... And then the Chinese, bump bump... and the Russians(again) bump bump... and the Japanese, bump bump... and India, bump bump... and then some pimple-faced fourteen year old geek will look at the NASA pavement pizza and get an idea for a spaceship of similar geometry, bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump. It's sad, just sad to see what was once the premier human spaceflight program has come to. But NASA has solved the vibration problem on Ares: springs. They gotta spend limited mass budget on freakin' springs to keep the 'paint shaker' from turning astronauts into red paint. Astronaut picks up phone: beep beep boop bop beep bop boop ring, ring. "Hey Elon, NASA just assigned me to a mission. You selling tickets yet?" +McG+ > NASA's problem is they are a huge Gov bureaucracy. Funding a clean sheet > private venture would do wonders for them. > > Dennis S Winningstad > 503-781-3529 > > "Military power wins battles, but spiritual power wins wars." > General George Catlett Marshall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:22 AM > To: Hammer > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Is NASA Ares doomed? > > What bothers me the most is that NASA is now in the familiar hobbyist mode > of building new rockets out of the junk box. That always takes more epoxy > to hold things together. > > When I watched the first shuttle launch on tv I thought its successor > would be a spaceplane or even (Gasp! Burn him at the stake!) maybe a disk > shaped spacecraft. But no, we get: > peas porridge hot > peas porridge cold > peas porridge in the pot > thirty years old. > > Sigh. And it looks like the handle just might fall off the pot they're > using. > > Even SpaceX is using old technology--LOX kerosene is about as basic a > launch vehicle technology that you can get. At least SpaceX doing it > cheaper. > > To paraphrase the iconic late Clara Peller: Where's the new? > +McG+ > > >> http://www.physorg.com/news144307123.html >> Is NASA Areas Doomed? >> >> (excerpt) >> Bit by bit, the new rocket ship that is supposed to blast America into >> the second Space Age and return astronauts to the moon appears to be >> coming undone. >> >> First was the discovery that it lacked sufficient power to lift >> astronauts in a state-of-the-art capsule into orbit. Then engineers >> found out that it might vibrate like a giant tuning fork, shaking its >> crew to death. >> >> Now, in the latest setback to the Ares I, computer models show the ship >> could crash into its launch tower during liftoff. >> >> The issue is known as "liftoff drift." Ignition of the rocket's >> solid-fuel motor makes it "jump" sideways on the pad, and a southeast >> breeze stronger than 12.7 mph would be enough to push the 309-foot-tall >> ship into its launch tower. >> >> "I get the impression that things are quickly going from bad to worse to >> unrecoverable." >> >> NASA had to quell near-revolts by astronauts and scientists who last >> month took issue during a preliminary design review of Ares I. In the >> end, they were cajoled into backing the review. >> >> The review graded the rocket against 10 criteria from NASA's >> program-management handbook. Seven of the marks were the equivalent of a >> C or a D. Overall, the project earned a grade-point average of 2.1, a >> low C. >> >> The reasons for the low grades included concerns that its electronics >> and control systems could be shaken apart on liftoff and the >> launch-drift issue. >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From jhadv at pacifier.com Fri Oct 31 13:02:54 2008 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:02:54 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] . Re: Is NASA Ares doomed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20081031121948.00bde0b0@mail.iinet.com> Yes the project like many others is doomed but not for the reasons you suggest. On November 15, 2008, there is an international "Currency Conference," Brenton Woods II as it is being called, called for by British Prime Minister Gordon Brown. The main topic of said conference is whether the rest of the World will support the pending American request for an additional 2 trillion dollars in loans (we need $1,000 Bn for the bailout, $500 Bn for 2009 deficits and $500 Bn working capital). The Chinese, Indians, British, Germans, French and the Nordic countries have already formally agreed amongst themselves (see the ASEM conference) that loans of that magnitude will NOT be forwarded without conditions. The pre-announced "conditions" which were unanimously agreed upon by all members at the ASEM conference and are to be "presented" to the President Elect (they have no interest in talking to Bush as they consider him doltish and impossible to deal with) on November 15, 2008, include, (1) deficit targets, (2) vastly increased financial regulation coordinated internationally and (3) changes to international banking law. The Indians suggested that the loans be made and administered through the IMF, a condition we quickly rejected. The chief negotiator for the prospective lenders is a gentleman by the name of Wen Jiabao, Premier and member of the Permanent Standing Committee of the Peoples Republic of China. Chinese Paramount leader Hu Jintao opened and closed the ASEM conference signalling that this proposal is the position of China. If we reject the conditions then effectively the rest of the developed World has agreed to suffer the economic fallout, go ahead with the regulations and new laws in every other currency and vastly reduces their collective participation in our debt auctions. The Russians were not at ASEM but signed on to the plan on October 29, 2008, at a conference with Premier Wen. Vladimer Putin was quoted as saying, "The World based on dollars is suffering serious problems. Serious failures. We should think about improving the system of payments in mutual trade, including a coordinated movement toward a broader use of national currencies." As an aside at the same conference the Chinese and Rusians inked a deal on a pipeline to carry 15 million tones of crude oil to China annually, increased timber sales, Chinese funding of Russian heavy industry and, the Chinese will fund the development of a Eurasian aircraft industry in Russia. None of these trades are to be settled in American dollars (you see the Russians demand tangible concessions before they agree to anything). The first major World wide change we as Americans will notice should we balk at the conditions would be an economic downturn quickly followed by a system of payments for oil and other petroleum resources based in Euros or another agreed upon currency instead of dollars and the general move away from the American Dollar as the World reserve currency. This would result in localized inflation for everything bought in dollars. Food, gas, imported goods that kind of stuff. Yes boys and girls, deficits do matter especially when your lenders say enough of this foolishness is enough. And to those who wish to point out how strong we are militarily, I would merely ask, what are you going to do? Attack China or Germany of France because they won't loan you money? We are up against it, as they say, unless we agree to some form of the conditions and that demand timed so close to the elections is why the issue has effectively been ignored in the American press. This is what Joe Biden was taking about when he mentioned an impending "crisis." Notice how quickly he was muzzled and how the McCain camp hasn't dared utter a word about the situation either. No tax cuts for anybody my friends. We have to start paying our bills including that trillion we already borrowed for the war in Iraq and the other trillion we borrowed to fund the Bush tax cuts. Our lenders have had quite enough thank you very much. From IBELCHLOUD at aol.com Fri Oct 31 17:23:14 2008 From: IBELCHLOUD at aol.com (IBELCHLOUD at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:23:14 EDT Subject: [RocketsNW] . Re: Is NASA Ares doomed? Message-ID: Not to mention it is ugly as sin! ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! 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What a nice thing we've done by passing this along to the next generation. We live in the greatest country in the world. However Washington keeps adding new regulations to restrict us. Who's adding the regulations to force Washington to balance the budget and pay our bills? If I maintained my checking account like Washington manages theirs, I'd have no checking account. Alrighty, I'm getting down off my soap box. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] . Re: Is NASA Ares doomed? > Not to mention it is ugly as sin! > > > ************** > Plan your next getaway with > AOL Travel. 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