[RocketsNW] PSP's requirements for AP purchase?

[Carl Degner]

All of my conversations with them, Renette when she was still there, and Mason have indicated that you only need a purchasers license if you are storing motors.  I am still trying to get my storage and purchasers license from them for my magazine.  Application has been in for 6 weeks now with no word.  Time to pick up the phone and call.  
It will be interesting to see how that goes or if they are putting everything off until after the new year with higher fees even though I was told to hurry and get my application in to avoid those higher fees.
 
Carl
> From: appusher at q.com> To: aaronfogg at gmail.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:25:29 +0000> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] PSP's requirements for AP purchase?> > > Aaron, and all, It has been explained to us (PSP) from an employee of L&I in the office and their Field Inspector (our local inspector, Geri Woods) that a purchaser's permit would be required to purchase low explosives in the state of Washington. That being said, it depends on who you talk to. Renette, who is now retired, told us purchasers would need a purchaser permit as well. I have yet to talk with Mason Reiter about this but will clarify it with him personally and report back to the list and the Washington State flyers. Prior conversations with folks at L&I could have been directed to a dealers question rather than a customer or end user. Any dealer that is in the business wants to follow appropriate regulations. Those regulations seem to be interpreted by the person answering the question. Everyone has an opinion, and it is always to be taken as an opinion unless the person answering the question can point it out in the Orange Book/ Red Book (Federal /Wa State). If you remember Aaron, at the Oct launch, when you asked the question......I referred you to Mason and told you we were interested in his answer. I will confirm your conversation with Mason after I talk with him this week. It's my contention that if an LEUP with storage or contingent storage by the BATFE is good enough, State should defer to them. Seems some states feel that they need a bit more control over use of anything that is called an explosive. There is a bit of sense to them protecting the public from idiots. Off the Record, L&I isn't real concerned about APCP. On the record they do have some concerns about tracking and use more for safety reasons. As it stands now for us, if you have an LEUP you are good to purchase and use. It's up to you to follow thru with contingent storage if that is the route you go. There are a number of flyers that we service that have contingent storage. I think it might be a possible addition to a club meeting to have Mason Reiter as a Guest Speaker at a club meeting so everyone can be relaxed about what is required and what is not. I'll ask him him if that would be something he would consider when I talk to him. Your mileage may vary,Bill at PSP> > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:30:00 -0800From: aaronfogg at gmail.comTo: appusher at q.comSubject: PSP's requirements for AP purchase?I spoke to Mason Reiter and asked him about having to have a purchasers license for contingency storage the answer was NO. I am now being told that PSP requires a purchaser license from L&I to purchase motors. Any truth to that or will I be able to fly being only in the possession of a contignet LEUP and with or without my contingent LEUP buddy on site?ThanksAaron Fogg
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All of my conversations with them, Renette when she was still there, and Mason have indicated that you only need a purchasers license if you are storing motors.  I am still trying to get my storage and purchasers license from them for my magazine.  Application has been in for 6 weeks now with no word.  Time to pick up the phone and call. 
It will be interesting to see how that goes or if they are putting everything off until after the new year with higher fees even though I was told to hurry and get my application in to avoid those higher fees.
 
Carl
> From: appusher at q.com
> To: aaronfogg at gmail.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:25:29 +0000
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] PSP's requirements for AP purchase?
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> Aaron, and all, It has been explained to us (PSP) from an employee of L&I in the office and their Field Inspector (our local inspector, Geri Woods) that a purchaser's permit would be required to purchase low explosives in the state of Washington. That being said, it depends on who you talk to. Renette, who is now retired, told us purchasers would need a purchaser permit as well. I have yet to talk with Mason Reiter about this but will clarify it with him personally and report back to the list and the Washington State flyers. Prior conversations with folks at L&I could have been directed to a dealers question rather than a customer or end user. Any dealer that is in the business wants to follow appropriate regulations. Those regulations seem to be interpreted by the person answering the question. Everyone has an opinion, and it is always to be taken as an opinion unless the person answering the question can point it out in the Orange Book/ Red Book (Federal /Wa State). If you remember Aaron, at the Oct launch, when you asked the question......I referred you to Mason and told you we were interested in his answer. I will confirm your conversation with Mason after I talk with him this week. It's my contention that if an LEUP with storage or contingent storage by the BATFE is good enough, State should defer to them. Seems some states feel that they need a bit more control over use of anything that is called an explosive. There is a bit of sense to them protecting the public from idiots. Off the Record, L&I isn't real concerned about APCP. On the record they do have some concerns about tracking and use more for safety reasons. As it stands now for us, if you have an LEUP you are good to purchase and use. It's up to you to follow thru with contingent storage if that is the route you go. There are a number of flyers that we service that have contingent storage. I think it might be a possible addition to a club meeting to have Mason Reiter as a Guest Speaker at a club meeting so everyone can be relaxed about what is required and what is not. I'll ask him him if that would be something he would consider when I talk to him. Your mileage may vary,Bill at PSP
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> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:30:00 -0800From: aaronfogg at gmail.comTo: appusher at q.comSubject: PSP's requirements for AP purchase?I spoke to Mason Reiter and asked him about having to have a purchasers license for contingency storage the answer was NO. I am now being told that PSP requires a purchaser license from L&I to purchase motors. Any truth to that or will I be able to fly being only in the possession of a contignet LEUP and with or without my contingent LEUP buddy on site?ThanksAaron Fogg