From greg at bigredbee.com Mon Dec 1 10:04:52 2008 From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:04:52 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motors fromfederal explosives control In-Reply-To: References: <1f8e0a580812010946wfd73f15ofe33335753963bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hmmmm, too good to be true? -----Original Message----- From: tripoli-sd-bounces+bzinful=verizon.net at mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:tripoli-sd-bounces+bzinful=verizon.net at mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Smith Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:47 AM To: tripoli-sd at mailman.ucsd.edu Subject: [Tripoli-SD] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motors fromfederal explosives control A buddy at work just sent this article to me: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/29/AR2008112901914.html "[...] The rules cover obscure as well as high-profile social and economic issues: spelling out what kinds of records must be kept by sexually explicit performers and publications, exempting hobbyists' rocket motors from federal explosives controls, expanding the collection of DNA samples from federal prisoners. [...]" Anyone have any additional info? Too bad the administration is trashing the environment with other legislation but this looks like amazing news for us! Greg Smith TRA#8576, L3 From greg at blastzone.com Mon Dec 1 10:15:58 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:15:58 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motors fromfederal explosives control In-Reply-To: References: <1f8e0a580812010946wfd73f15ofe33335753963bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35d401c953e0$dc79cf80$956d6e80$@com> They've been talking it up on the TRA list pretty extensively. The board (Ken Good, anyways) hasn't heard anything about it and is having the attorneys check it out. Rick Dickenson contacted the author of the article and will be reporting back on anything he hears. Sure would be nice... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM To: NorthWest Rocketry - All Subject: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motors fromfederal explosives control hmmmm, too good to be true? -----Original Message----- From: tripoli-sd-bounces+bzinful=verizon.net at mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:tripoli-sd-bounces+bzinful=verizon.net at mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Smith Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:47 AM To: tripoli-sd at mailman.ucsd.edu Subject: [Tripoli-SD] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motors fromfederal explosives control A buddy at work just sent this article to me: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/29/AR2008112901 914.html "[...] The rules cover obscure as well as high-profile social and economic issues: spelling out what kinds of records must be kept by sexually explicit performers and publications, exempting hobbyists' rocket motors from federal explosives controls, expanding the collection of DNA samples from federal prisoners. [...]" Anyone have any additional info? Too bad the administration is trashing the environment with other legislation but this looks like amazing news for us! Greg Smith TRA#8576, L3 _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From winningstad at comcast.net Mon Dec 1 11:27:46 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:27:46 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motorsfromfederal explosives control In-Reply-To: References: <1f8e0a580812010946wfd73f15ofe33335753963bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mr Smith, Please email me with your examples of the current administration 'trashing the environment'...TIA Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" Ann Coulter -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM To: NorthWest Rocketry - All Subject: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motorsfromfederal explosives control hmmmm, too good to be true? -----Original Message----- From: tripoli-sd-bounces+bzinful=verizon.net at mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:tripoli-sd-bounces+bzinful=verizon.net at mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Smith Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:47 AM To: tripoli-sd at mailman.ucsd.edu Subject: [Tripoli-SD] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motors fromfederal explosives control A buddy at work just sent this article to me: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/29/AR2008112901 914.html "[...] The rules cover obscure as well as high-profile social and economic issues: spelling out what kinds of records must be kept by sexually explicit performers and publications, exempting hobbyists' rocket motors from federal explosives controls, expanding the collection of DNA samples from federal prisoners. [...]" Anyone have any additional info? Too bad the administration is trashing the environment with other legislation but this looks like amazing news for us! Greg Smith TRA#8576, L3 _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at blastzone.com Mon Dec 1 12:00:25 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:00:25 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motorsfromfederal explosives control In-Reply-To: References: <1f8e0a580812010946wfd73f15ofe33335753963bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <362801c953ef$735b4420$5a11cc60$@com> Greg smith is not on this list. He was the poster of the forwarded message below from Tripoli SD. Feel free to hit him up personally for a political rant :) , but lets keep those off the list here. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:28 AM To: 'Greg Clark'; 'NorthWest Rocketry - All' Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motorsfromfederal explosives control Mr Smith, Please email me with your examples of the current administration 'trashing the environment'...TIA Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" Ann Coulter -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM To: NorthWest Rocketry - All Subject: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motorsfromfederal explosives control hmmmm, too good to be true? -----Original Message----- From: tripoli-sd-bounces+bzinful=verizon.net at mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:tripoli-sd-bounces+bzinful=verizon.net at mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Smith Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:47 AM To: tripoli-sd at mailman.ucsd.edu Subject: [Tripoli-SD] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motors fromfederal explosives control A buddy at work just sent this article to me: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/29/AR2008112901 914.html "[...] The rules cover obscure as well as high-profile social and economic issues: spelling out what kinds of records must be kept by sexually explicit performers and publications, exempting hobbyists' rocket motors from federal explosives controls, expanding the collection of DNA samples from federal prisoners. [...]" Anyone have any additional info? Too bad the administration is trashing the environment with other legislation but this looks like amazing news for us! Greg Smith TRA#8576, L3 _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at blastzone.com Mon Dec 1 12:30:11 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:30:11 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motors fromfederal explosives control In-Reply-To: <35d401c953e0$dc79cf80$956d6e80$@com> References: <1f8e0a580812010946wfd73f15ofe33335753963bb@mail.gmail.com> <35d401c953e0$dc79cf80$956d6e80$@com> Message-ID: <363e01c953f3$9c57ae00$d5070a00$@com> Well darn. Rick got a response from the author and apparently their statement on rocketry reg changes was based on the old nprm 2 years ago that was removing the PAD excemption, not removing regulation. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Deputy Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:16 AM To: 'Greg Clark'; 'NorthWest Rocketry - All' Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motors fromfederal explosives control They've been talking it up on the TRA list pretty extensively. The board (Ken Good, anyways) hasn't heard anything about it and is having the attorneys check it out. Rick Dickenson contacted the author of the article and will be reporting back on anything he hears. Sure would be nice... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM To: NorthWest Rocketry - All Subject: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motors fromfederal explosives control hmmmm, too good to be true? -----Original Message----- From: tripoli-sd-bounces+bzinful=verizon.net at mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:tripoli-sd-bounces+bzinful=verizon.net at mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Smith Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:47 AM To: tripoli-sd at mailman.ucsd.edu Subject: [Tripoli-SD] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motors fromfederal explosives control A buddy at work just sent this article to me: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/29/AR2008112901 914.html "[...] The rules cover obscure as well as high-profile social and economic issues: spelling out what kinds of records must be kept by sexually explicit performers and publications, exempting hobbyists' rocket motors from federal explosives controls, expanding the collection of DNA samples from federal prisoners. [...]" Anyone have any additional info? Too bad the administration is trashing the environment with other legislation but this looks like amazing news for us! Greg Smith TRA#8576, L3 _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 12:46:15 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:46:15 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobbyrocket motors fromfederal explosives control References: <1f8e0a580812010946wfd73f15ofe33335753963bb@mail.gmail.com> <35d401c953e0$dc79cf80$956d6e80$@com> <363e01c953f3$9c57ae00$d5070a00$@com> Message-ID: <003301c953f5$dba7a5e0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> The author should have been more careful. The article is about "...last stump...61 new regulations..." and then mentions rocket motors for hobby are now exempt. Seems to make me suspect the other content. Especially since most are not mentioned in the White House news. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Deputy" To: "'Greg Clark'" ; "'NorthWest Rocketry - All'" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobbyrocket motors fromfederal explosives control > Well darn. Rick got a response from the author and apparently their > statement on rocketry reg changes was based on the old nprm 2 years ago > that > was removing the PAD excemption, not removing regulation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Greg Deputy > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:16 AM > To: 'Greg Clark'; 'NorthWest Rocketry - All' > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motors > fromfederal explosives control > > They've been talking it up on the TRA list pretty extensively. The board > (Ken Good, anyways) hasn't heard anything about it and is having the > attorneys check it out. Rick Dickenson contacted the author of the > article > and will be reporting back on anything he hears. > > Sure would be nice... > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Greg Clark > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM > To: NorthWest Rocketry - All > Subject: [RocketsNW] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motors > fromfederal explosives control > > hmmmm, too good to be true? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tripoli-sd-bounces+bzinful=verizon.net at mailman.ucsd.edu > [mailto:tripoli-sd-bounces+bzinful=verizon.net at mailman.ucsd.edu] On > Behalf Of Greg Smith > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:47 AM > To: tripoli-sd at mailman.ucsd.edu > Subject: [Tripoli-SD] Bush administration exempts hobby rocket motors > fromfederal explosives control > > > > A buddy at work just sent this article to me: > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/29/AR2008112901 > 914.html > > "[...] > > The rules cover obscure as well as high-profile social and economic > issues: spelling out what kinds of records must be kept by sexually > explicit performers and publications, exempting hobbyists' rocket > motors from federal explosives controls, expanding the collection of > DNA samples from federal prisoners. > > [...]" > > Anyone have any additional info? Too bad the administration is > trashing the environment with other legislation but this looks like > amazing news for us! > > Greg Smith > TRA#8576, L3 > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From greg at blastzone.com Mon Dec 1 13:09:16 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:09:16 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [TRA] New Bush Rule to Exempt Hobby Rocket Motors? Message-ID: <365e01c953f9$119fd7a0$34df86e0$@com> Here's the full response from Rick, with permission... -----Original Message----- From: Rick Dickinson [mailto:rtd at notesguy.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:08 PM To: Tripoli Members Forum Subject: Re: [TRA] New Bush Rule to Exempt Hobby Rocket Motors? It appears that our hopes were somewhat premature. The mention of our hobby in the article was based upon an apparent misreading of the old NPRM removing the "PAD exemption" for rocket motors. Here is the reply I got from Jeff Smith at the Washington Post, and my response: ======================== On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:05:09 -0500, Jeff Smith wrote: > it was a justice department regulatory change initiated and carried out by > the alcohol, tobacco, and firearms section. it should have been published > in the federal register by now. the draft regulation was known as > 1140-AA24, Commerce in Explosives - Amended Definition of Propellant > Actuated Device. Ah, that's too bad, then. I was afraid that this might be the change to which the article referred. Unfortunately, this change does not "[exempt] hobbyists' rocket motors from federal explosives controls" -- it has the exact opposite effect. It eliminates an exemption, rather than granting one. It has not yet been published in the Federal Register; the Agenda shows Final Action scheduled for January 2009: http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic//component/main?main=UnifiedAgenda&agency=DOJ&pubperiod=200810&rin=1140-AA24 Once the Final Rule's published in the Federal Register, it will eliminate the possibility of exempting rocket motors from regulation by classifying them as "Propellant Actuated Devices". This is a tightening of already over-burdensome regulations, not a grant of relief. And, it's certainly nothing "new" that the Bush Administration is pushing through at the last minute. The Notice of Proposed Rulemaking for this change came out over two years ago, and it was widely discussed (and commented upon) at the time. Thank you for taking the time to respond. I appreciate the clarification, even though it dashes my hope for unexpected regulatory relief. Thanks again, - Rick Dickinson Director, Rocketry Organization of California ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Messages posted to this list are confidential and shall not be posted or published on other forums, mail lists, web sites or other information services without prior written permission of the author. (C) 2002-08 by Tripoli Rocketry Association. From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 16:34:48 2008 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:34:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group Message-ID: <991095.64402.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have a friend who has to wear a composite boot for the rest of her life. The thing has a rubber surface on the bottom that has worn and when new had very little grip with all walking surfaces. It's time to resole it and she can only get the same thing that is on it now. She wants it resoled with something less resistant to slipping and less costly. The old sole is prone to gravel sticking in it and gets very slippery when wet. ? Does anyone have a suggestion for a rubber that will be not so slippery but will stand up to everyday walking. And something that won't pick up the gravel from the driveway and leave it embedded in my flooring. ? Thanks for the help John Hornsby -------------- next part -------------- I have a friend who has to wear a composite boot for the rest of her life. The thing has a rubber surface on the bottom that has worn and when new had very little grip with all walking surfaces. It's time to resole it and she can only get the same thing that is on it now. She wants it resoled with something less resistant to slipping and less costly. The old sole is prone to gravel sticking in it and gets very slippery when wet. ? Does anyone have a suggestion for a rubber that will be not so slippery but will stand up to everyday walking. And something that won't pick up the gravel from the driveway and leave it embedded in my flooring. ? Thanks for the help John Hornsby From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 16:53:33 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:53:33 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group References: <991095.64402.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005501c95418$67e74d90$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> My suggestion. Find a good athletic shoe that has a sole the size as her composite boot has. Then take both to a shoe repair person. Hillsboro has a couple. They can remove the sole and attach it to the composite. The shoe person can also grind it to be shaped identical. Might want to take the shoe person with you in the shoe selection. I also believe they (shoe repair people) can order custom soles. Take care John, hope all works out. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hornsby" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:34 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group I have a friend who has to wear a composite boot for the rest of her life. The thing has a rubber surface on the bottom that has worn and when new had very little grip with all walking surfaces. It's time to resole it and she can only get the same thing that is on it now. She wants it resoled with something less resistant to slipping and less costly. The old sole is prone to gravel sticking in it and gets very slippery when wet. Does anyone have a suggestion for a rubber that will be not so slippery but will stand up to everyday walking. And something that won't pick up the gravel from the driveway and leave it embedded in my flooring. Thanks for the help John Hornsby -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From appusher at q.com Mon Dec 1 17:39:50 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:39:50 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group In-Reply-To: <005501c95418$67e74d90$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> References: <991095.64402.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <005501c95418$67e74d90$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: I think I would talk with a shoe repair person first for suggestions before buying something that might not be suitable. Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com> To: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:53:33 -0800> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group> > My suggestion.> > Find a good athletic shoe that has a sole the size as her composite boot > has. Then take both to a shoe repair person. Hillsboro has a couple. They > can remove the sole and attach it to the composite. The shoe person can also > grind it to be shaped identical.> > Might want to take the shoe person with you in the shoe selection. I also > believe they (shoe repair people) can order custom soles.> > Take care John, hope all works out.> > Cheers,> Robert> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hornsby" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:34 PM> Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group> > > I have a friend who has to wear a composite boot for the rest of her life. > The thing has a rubber surface on the bottom that has worn and when new had > very little grip with all walking surfaces. It's time to resole it and she > can only get the same thing that is on it now. She wants it resoled with > something less resistant to slipping and less costly. The old sole is prone > to gravel sticking in it and gets very slippery when wet.> > Does anyone have a suggestion for a rubber that will be not so slippery but > will stand up to everyday walking. And something that won't pick up the > gravel from the driveway and leave it embedded in my flooring.> > Thanks for the help> John Hornsby> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- I think I would talk with a shoe repair person first for suggestions before buying something that might not be suitable. ? Bill http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com > To: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:53:33 -0800 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group > > My suggestion. > > Find a good athletic shoe that has a sole the size as her composite boot > has. Then take both to a shoe repair person. Hillsboro has a couple. They > can remove the sole and attach it to the composite. The shoe person can also > grind it to be shaped identical. > > Might want to take the shoe person with you in the shoe selection. I also > believe they (shoe repair people) can order custom soles. > > Take care John, hope all works out. > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hornsby" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:34 PM > Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group > > > I have a friend who has to wear a composite boot for the rest of her life. > The thing has a rubber surface on the bottom that has worn and when new had > very little grip with all walking surfaces. It's time to resole it and she > can only get the same thing that is on it now. She wants it resoled with > something less resistant to slipping and less costly. The old sole is prone > to gravel sticking in it and gets very slippery when wet. > > Does anyone have a suggestion for a rubber that will be not so slippery but > will stand up to everyday walking. And something that won't pick up the > gravel from the driveway and leave it embedded in my flooring. > > Thanks for the help > John Hornsby > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From scott at scottsrockets.com Mon Dec 1 17:47:39 2008 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:47:39 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group In-Reply-To: References: <991095.64402.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><005501c95418$67e74d90$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <7E11A2AE32D548DF819C554F8FF1ABF6@Mobile2> Vibram soles have been used for years on professional work and hiking boots. I have a pair of mountaineering boots that have had the same Vibram sole for 20 years now. I am sure a shoe repair shop could help you out. Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bill Munds Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:40 PM To: Robert Krausert; John Hornsby; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group I think I would talk with a shoe repair person first for suggestions before buying something that might not be suitable. Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com> To: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:53:33 -0800> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group> > My suggestion.> > Find a good athletic shoe that has a sole the size as her composite boot > has. Then take both to a shoe repair person. Hillsboro has a couple. They > can remove the sole and attach it to the composite. The shoe person can also > grind it to be shaped identical.> > Might want to take the shoe person with you in the shoe selection. I also > believe they (shoe repair people) can order custom soles.> > Take care John, hope all works out.> > Cheers,> Robert> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hornsby" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:34 PM> Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group> > > I have a friend who has to wear a composite boot for the rest of her life. > The thing has a rubber surface on the bottom that has worn and when new had > very little grip with all walking surfaces. It's time to resole it and she > can only get the same thing that is on it now. She wants it resoled with > something less resistant to slipping and less costly. The old sole is prone > to gravel sticking in it and gets very slippery when wet.> > Does anyone have a suggestion for a rubber that will be not so slippery but > will stand up to everyday walking. And something that won't pick up the > gravel from the driveway and leave it embedded in my flooring.> > Thanks for the help> John Hornsby> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----> > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> From jhornsby3 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 17:53:15 2008 From: jhornsby3 at yahoo.com (John Hornsby) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:53:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group In-Reply-To: <991095.64402.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <474356.16756.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> We've gone to repair shops and they only want to put the same thing back on. That is part of the problem. She wants to stop from slipping on the wet NW grounds. That and the original sole picks up junk from the ground. ? John --- On Mon, 12/1/08, John Hornsby wrote: From: John Hornsby Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 4:34 PM I have a friend who has to wear a composite boot for the rest of her life. The thing has a rubber surface on the bottom that has worn and when new had very little grip with all walking surfaces. It's time to resole it and she can only get the same thing that is on it now. She wants it resoled with something less resistant to slipping and less costly. The old sole is prone to gravel sticking in it and gets very slippery when wet. ? Does anyone have a suggestion for a rubber that will be not so slippery but will stand up to everyday walking. And something that won't pick up the gravel from the driveway and leave it embedded in my flooring. ? Thanks for the help John Hornsby _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- We've gone to repair shops and they only want to put the same thing back on. That is part of the problem. She wants to stop from slipping on the wet NW grounds. That and the original sole picks up junk from the ground. ? John --- On Mon, 12/1/08, John Hornsby wrote: From: John Hornsby Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 4:34 PM I have a friend who has to wear a composite boot for the rest of her life. The thing has a rubber surface on the bottom that has worn and when new had very little grip with all walking surfaces. It's time to resole it and she can only get the same thing that is on it now. She wants it resoled with something less resistant to slipping and less costly. The old sole is prone to gravel sticking in it and gets very slippery when wet. ? Does anyone have a suggestion for a rubber that will be not so slippery but will stand up to everyday walking. And something that won't pick up the gravel from the driveway and leave it embedded in my flooring. ? Thanks for the help John Hornsby _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Tue Dec 2 12:52:29 2008 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:52:29 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials..... Message-ID: > >Well here is the information on the current sale. Please forward this >on to all your rocket clubs and friends.... > > >OUR DECEMBER SALE- The best prices of the year...... > >Model Rockets from Estes, Quest, Sunward, Flis Kits, US Rockets, >Squirrel Works - all 20% off > >Mid Power & High Power kits from PML, Binder Design and LOC are 20% >off ( 3.9" or smaller airframes) > >Monster Motors Cases- 25% off > >Aerotech Hobby motors- A through G -all 30% off---- These motors can >be shipped or picked up at a launch. Stock up now, lowest prices of >the year. All Aerotech LMS and ECONOJET motors in stock are 40% off. > >High Power and LEUP HOLDERS, Here is your special. Aerotech is >offering dealers a 10% discount for the next two weeks for dealers, >which ends 12/16. >So here is the deal, we will offer 35% off all prepaid orders of >Aerotech H and above ( restricted motors) to a LEUP holder on >file and delivered either at a launch that we attend or by special >arrangement. The cut off date for your payment/order will be 12/16. >From 12/16 to the 28th, you get 25% off all prepaid orders. Act now >and get that extra 10%!!!!! >Just think, 2009 is just right around the corner!! No limits, so get >your friends together for this great deal. > > >Here are the rules for the sale: > >1. All orders must be emailed to rocketstore at earthlink.net >2. All orders need to be prepaid, with Paypal or credit card, >(cash/check for in store sales-appointment required) >3. Shipping is charged at our cost, no handling fee >4. Sale ends on 12/28 ( extra 10% on Aerotech motors ends 12/16 >5. Please advise if anything is a Xmas present. We do have good stock >here, but if we need to order from a manufacturer, please remember >that shipping is slower during the holidays...... >6. All high power motors needed to be delivered to LEUP holders only. > >_________________ > >But wait, just one more thing. > >Here are some High Power Rockets on SALE: > >Binder Design 4" 38mm Dragonfly $52 >Binder Design 4" 38mm Jackhammer $55 >PML 54mm 4" Tethys $75 >PML 38mm Callisto $45 >LOC 29mm Weasel $30 >LOC 29mm Aura $26 >Madcow Rocketry 29mm Bomarc $85 >Madcow Rocketry 29mm Mozzie $32 We will be offering a "old stock" sale on kits in January. >Any questions, just drop me a email. > > >Most of all, we all here in Sunriver wish you and your family the >best of health and happiness for the holiday season and the New Year, > >Clear skies and calm winds, > > >Bob Grossfeld >Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory a non-profit, educational organization. -------------- next part -------------- AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials..... Well here is the information on the current sale. Please forward this on to all your rocket clubs and friends.... OUR DECEMBER SALE- The best prices of the year...... Model Rockets from Estes, Quest, Sunward, Flis Kits, US Rockets, Squirrel Works - all 20% off Mid Power & High Power kits from PML, Binder Design and LOC are 20% off ( 3.9" or smaller airframes) Monster Motors Cases- 25% off Aerotech Hobby motors- A through G? -all 30% off---- These motors can be shipped or picked up at a launch. Stock up now, lowest prices of the year. All Aerotech LMS and ECONOJET motors in stock are 40% off. High Power and LEUP HOLDERS, Here is your special. Aerotech is offering dealers a 10% discount for the next two weeks for dealers, which ends 12/16. So here is the deal, we will offer 35% off all prepaid orders of Aerotech H and above ( restricted motors)? to a LEUP holder on file and delivered? either at a launch that we attend or by special arrangement. The cut off date for your payment/order will be 12/16. From 12/16 to the 28th, you get 25% off all prepaid orders. Act now and get that extra 10%!!!!! Just think, 2009 is just right around the corner!! No limits, so get your friends together for this great deal. Here are the rules for the sale: 1. All orders must be emailed to rocketstore at earthlink.net 2. All orders need to be prepaid, with Paypal or credit card, (cash/check for in store sales-appointment required) 3. Shipping is charged at our cost, no handling fee 4. Sale ends on 12/28 ( extra 10% on Aerotech motors ends 12/16 5. Please advise if anything is a Xmas present. We do have good stock here, but if we need to order from a manufacturer, please remember that shipping is slower during the holidays...... 6. All high power motors needed to be delivered to LEUP holders only. _________________ But wait, just one more thing. Here are some High Power Rockets on SALE: Binder Design 4" 38mm Dragonfly? $52 Binder Design 4" 38mm Jackhammer?? $55 PML 54mm 4" Tethys $75 PML 38mm Callisto $45 LOC 29mm Weasel? $30 LOC 29mm Aura? $26 Madcow Rocketry 29mm Bomarc? $85 Madcow Rocketry 29mm Mozzie? $32 We will be offering a "old stock" sale on kits in January. Any questions, just drop me a email. Most of all, we all here in Sunriver wish you and your family the best of health and happiness for the holiday season and the New Year, Clear skies and calm winds, Bob Grossfeld Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory a non-profit, educational organization. From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Tue Dec 2 19:57:09 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:57:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group In-Reply-To: <7E11A2AE32D548DF819C554F8FF1ABF6@Mobile2> References: <991095.64402.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><005501c95418$67e74d90$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> <7E11A2AE32D548DF819C554F8FF1ABF6@Mobile2> Message-ID: <1358.208.100.254.209.1228276629.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> But with the deep tread on Vibram soles you track in mud instead; Precisely molded pieces of mud that won't wipe off but do pop out of the tread as soon as you get halfway into the room. Been there done that. But I'm sympathetic to her problem. For years I've worn cheap boots with crepe soles--the tread wears off quickly and then the smooth surface grips like Superlube coated snot against wet algae on mud. Guaranteed to fall on my butt at least several times each winter. Some of those earthquakes SW of Mt. St. Helens were probably me! I agree though, any competent shoe repair place should be able to put a Vibram sole on any reasonably matching shoe or boot design. Is there any valid medical reason why the boot has to have that particular sole material? Seems to me that falling down and possibly whackin' yer head is a valid medical concern in itself! So says I, the guy who studded his wooden porch steps with a couple hundred short sheet metal screws after darn near breaking his back one winter(and it did split a 2x12 joist). +McG+ > Vibram soles have been used for years on professional work and hiking > boots. > I have a pair of mountaineering boots that have had the same Vibram sole > for > 20 years now. I am sure a shoe repair shop could help you out. > > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Bill Munds > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:40 PM > To: Robert Krausert; John Hornsby; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group > > > I think I would talk with a shoe repair person first for suggestions > before > buying something that might not be suitable. > > Bill > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com> > To: > jhornsby3 at yahoo.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:53:33 > -0800> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group> > My > suggestion.> > Find a good athletic shoe that has a sole the size as her > composite boot > has. Then take both to a shoe repair person. Hillsboro > has > a couple. They > can remove the sole and attach it to the composite. The > shoe person can also > grind it to be shaped identical.> > Might want to > take the shoe person with you in the shoe selection. I also > believe they > (shoe repair people) can order custom soles.> > Take care John, hope all > works out.> > Cheers,> Robert> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John > Hornsby" > To: > Sent: Monday, > December 01, 2008 4:34 PM> Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for > the group> > > I have a friend who has to wear a composite boot for the > rest > of her life. > The thing has a rubber surface on the bottom that has worn > and when new had > very little grip with all walking surfaces. It's time > to > resole it and she > can only get the same thing that is on it now. She > wants > it resoled with > something less resistant to slipping and less costly. > The > old sole is prone > to gravel sticking in it and gets very slippery when > wet.> > Does anyone have a suggestion for a rubber that will be not so > slippery but > will stand up to everyday walking. And something that won't > pick up the > gravel from the driveway and leave it embedded in my > flooring.> > Thanks for the help> John Hornsby> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----> > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets > mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From appusher at q.com Tue Dec 2 20:13:30 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:13:30 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group In-Reply-To: <1358.208.100.254.209.1228276629.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> References: <991095.64402.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><005501c95418$67e74d90$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> <7E11A2AE32D548DF819C554F8FF1ABF6@Mobile2> <1358.208.100.254.209.1228276629.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Message-ID: I was jus tinto Les Schwab and noticed a flyer for truck bed mats. They had a sample which original caught my eye. Les Schwab makes the cutom mats out of recycled tires. Textured on one side smoother on the other side. Firm but soft and pliable. If a guy could get some scraps.......... for what it' worth' Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:57:09 -0800> From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group> > But with the deep tread on Vibram soles you track in mud instead;> Precisely molded pieces of mud that won't wipe off but do pop out of the> tread as soon as you get halfway into the room. Been there done that.> > But I'm sympathetic to her problem. For years I've worn cheap boots with> crepe soles--the tread wears off quickly and then the smooth surface grips> like Superlube coated snot against wet algae on mud. Guaranteed to fall> on my butt at least several times each winter. Some of those earthquakes> SW of Mt. St. Helens were probably me!> > I agree though, any competent shoe repair place should be able to put a> Vibram sole on any reasonably matching shoe or boot design.> > Is there any valid medical reason why the boot has to have that particular> sole material? Seems to me that falling down and possibly whackin' yer> head is a valid medical concern in itself! So says I, the guy who studded> his wooden porch steps with a couple hundred short sheet metal screws> after darn near breaking his back one winter(and it did split a 2x12> joist).> +McG+> > > > Vibram soles have been used for years on professional work and hiking> > boots.> > I have a pair of mountaineering boots that have had the same Vibram sole> > for> > 20 years now. I am sure a shoe repair shop could help you out.> >> >> > Scott T. Bowers> > www.scottsrockets.com> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> > On Behalf Of Bill Munds> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:40 PM> > To: Robert Krausert; John Hornsby; rockets at rocketsnw.com> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group> >> >> > I think I would talk with a shoe repair person first for suggestions> > before> > buying something that might not be suitable.> >> > Bill> >> >> >> > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com>> > To:> > jhornsby3 at yahoo.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:53:33> > -0800> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group> > My> > suggestion.> > Find a good athletic shoe that has a sole the size as her> > composite boot > has. Then take both to a shoe repair person. Hillsboro> > has> > a couple. They > can remove the sole and attach it to the composite. The> > shoe person can also > grind it to be shaped identical.> > Might want to> > take the shoe person with you in the shoe selection. I also > believe they> > (shoe repair people) can order custom soles.> > Take care John, hope all> > works out.> > Cheers,> Robert> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John> > Hornsby" > To: > Sent: Monday,> > December 01, 2008 4:34 PM> Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for> > the group> > > I have a friend who has to wear a composite boot for the> > rest> > of her life. > The thing has a rubber surface on the bottom that has worn> > and when new had > very little grip with all walking surfaces. It's time> > to> > resole it and she > can only get the same thing that is on it now. She> > wants> > it resoled with > something less resistant to slipping and less costly.> > The> > old sole is prone > to gravel sticking in it and gets very slippery when> > wet.> > Does anyone have a suggestion for a rubber that will be not so> > slippery but > will stand up to everyday walking. And something that won't> > pick up the > gravel from the driveway and leave it embedded in my> > flooring.> > Thanks for the help> John Hornsby> > > > > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> > ----> > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets> > mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> >> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > >> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list>> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets>> >> > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- I was jus tinto Les Schwab and noticed a flyer for truck bed mats.? They had? a sample which original caught my eye.? Les Schwab makes the cutom mats out of recycled tires.? Textured on one side smoother on the other side.? Firm but soft and pliable.? If a guy could get some scraps.......... ? for what it' worth' ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:57:09 -0800 > From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group > > But with the deep tread on Vibram soles you track in mud instead; > Precisely molded pieces of mud that won't wipe off but do pop out of the > tread as soon as you get halfway into the room. Been there done that. > > But I'm sympathetic to her problem. For years I've worn cheap boots with > crepe soles--the tread wears off quickly and then the smooth surface grips > like Superlube coated snot against wet algae on mud. Guaranteed to fall > on my butt at least several times each winter. Some of those earthquakes > SW of Mt. St. Helens were probably me! > > I agree though, any competent shoe repair place should be able to put a > Vibram sole on any reasonably matching shoe or boot design. > > Is there any valid medical reason why the boot has to have that particular > sole material? Seems to me that falling down and possibly whackin' yer > head is a valid medical concern in itself! So says I, the guy who studded > his wooden porch steps with a couple hundred short sheet metal screws > after darn near breaking his back one winter(and it did split a 2x12 > joist). > +McG+ > > > > Vibram soles have been used for years on professional work and hiking > > boots. > > I have a pair of mountaineering boots that have had the same Vibram sole > > for > > 20 years now. I am sure a shoe repair shop could help you out. > > > > > > Scott T. Bowers > > www.scottsrockets.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > > On Behalf Of Bill Munds > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:40 PM > > To: Robert Krausert; John Hornsby; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group > > > > > > I think I would talk with a shoe repair person first for suggestions > > before > > buying something that might not be suitable. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com> > > To: > > jhornsby3 at yahoo.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:53:33 > > -0800> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group> > My > > suggestion.> > Find a good athletic shoe that has a sole the size as her > > composite boot > has. Then take both to a shoe repair person. Hillsboro > > has > > a couple. They > can remove the sole and attach it to the composite. The > > shoe person can also > grind it to be shaped identical.> > Might want to > > take the shoe person with you in the shoe selection. I also > believe they > > (shoe repair people) can order custom soles.> > Take care John, hope all > > works out.> > Cheers,> Robert> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John > > Hornsby" > To: > Sent: Monday, > > December 01, 2008 4:34 PM> Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for > > the group> > > I have a friend who has to wear a composite boot for the > > rest > > of her life. > The thing has a rubber surface on the bottom that has worn > > and when new had > very little grip with all walking surfaces. It's time > > to > > resole it and she > can only get the same thing that is on it now. She > > wants > > it resoled with > something less resistant to slipping and less costly. > > The > > old sole is prone > to gravel sticking in it and gets very slippery when > > wet.> > Does anyone have a suggestion for a rubber that will be not so > > slippery but > will stand up to everyday walking. And something that won't > > pick up the > gravel from the driveway and leave it embedded in my > > flooring.> > Thanks for the help> John Hornsby> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----> > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockets > > mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From carl20320 at msn.com Tue Dec 2 21:54:08 2008 From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:54:08 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Non-rocketry question for the group In-Reply-To: References: <991095.64402.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><005501c95418$67e74d90$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert><7E11A2AE32D548DF819C554F8FF1ABF6@Mobile2> <1358.208.100.254.209.1228276629.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Message-ID: Many years ago, I had a pair of sandals in which the sole was an actual tire tread. They worked very well and the rest of the sandal wore out before the tread even showed real signs of wear. From carl20320 at msn.com Wed Dec 3 07:41:04 2008 From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:41:04 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] L&I background checks Message-ID: I spoke with Mason Reiter at L7IU yesterday regarding why I have not heard anything on my application they received back on 9/29. He told me they are running 8-12 weeks on background checks. :insert crosseyed smilie here: I have had 2 federal background checks since then adn have had results back in under 4 weeks on both. I hope this isn't the type of TAT what we are going to be paying $50/year to the State Patrol for. At least, he answered his phone. I have left numerous messages for Jennifer Hall (no more than 1/week) inquiring as to the status but have never heard anything back. -------------- next part -------------- I spoke with Mason Reiter at L7IU yesterday regarding why I have not heard anything on my application they received back on 9/29.? He told me they are running 8-12 weeks on background checks. :insert crosseyed smilie here: ? I have had 2 federal background checks since then adn have had results back in under 4 weeks on both.? I hope this isn't the type of TAT what we are going to be paying?$50/year?to the State Patrol for. ? At least, he answered his phone.? I have left numerous messages for Jennifer Hall (no more than 1/week) inquiring as to the status but have never heard anything back. From carl20320 at msn.com Wed Dec 3 08:01:18 2008 From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:01:18 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] L&I background checks In-Reply-To: <4936AC41.6060506@earthlink.net> References: <4936AC41.6060506@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Sorry, I use this all the time in my work. TAT = Turn Around Time Carl> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:56:49 -0800> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net> To: carl20320 at msn.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] L&I background checks> > Carl Degner wrote:> > I spoke with Mason Reiter at L7IU yesterday regarding why I have not heard anything on my application they received back on 9/29. He told me they are running 8-12 weeks on background checks. :insert crosseyed smilie here:> > > > I have had 2 federal background checks since then adn have had results back in under 4 weeks on both. I hope this isn't the type of TAT what we are going to be paying $50/year to the State Patrol for.> > > > At least, he answered his phone. I have left numerous messages for Jennifer Hall (no more than 1/week) inquiring as to the status but have never heard anything back.> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> >> > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > What is TAT?> > Robert -------------- next part -------------- Sorry, I?use this all the time?in my work. ? TAT?= Turn Around Time ? Carl > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:56:49 -0800 > From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net > To: carl20320 at msn.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] L&I background checks > > Carl Degner wrote: > > I spoke with Mason Reiter at L7IU yesterday regarding why I have not heard anything on my application they received back on 9/29. He told me they are running 8-12 weeks on background checks. :insert crosseyed smilie here: > > > > I have had 2 federal background checks since then adn have had results back in under 4 weeks on both. I hope this isn't the type of TAT what we are going to be paying $50/year to the State Patrol for. > > > > At least, he answered his phone. I have left numerous messages for Jennifer Hall (no more than 1/week) inquiring as to the status but have never heard anything back. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > What is TAT? > > Robert From greg at blastzone.com Wed Dec 3 15:02:58 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:02:58 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Message-ID: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com> Yea!! -----Original Message----- From: arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net [mailto:arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net] On Behalf Of Randall Clague Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:16 PM To: aRocket Subject: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Hey y'all, FAA has released the Amateur Rocket Final Rule to the Office of the Federal Register for publication. The pre-pub copy is here: It's very good. FAA listened to NAR & TRA without being their lap dog - they went out of their way to harmonize FAA regs with NFPA 1122 and 1127, and with sport rocketry standard practice. They didn't equate NAR/TRA safety code compliance with FAA compliance, because that would put NAR and TRA in the role of Federal regulators (with no Congressional oversight), which is illegal. The Final Rule will become effective 60 days from publication in the Federal Register. When it becomes effective, all of this tether nonsense will go away for vehicles under 200,000 lb-sec total impulse. The 15 second burn time limit is gone. The 12 psi "ballistic coefficient" (actually cross-sectional density) limit is gone. The new limit, which replaces those, is an apogee limit of 150 km. Aw shucks! -R Randall Clague Government Liaison XCOR Aerospace rclague at xcor.com 661-824-4714 _______________________________________________ aRocket at exrocketry.net http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/arocket From adrian.l.carbine at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 15:18:32 2008 From: adrian.l.carbine at gmail.com (Adrian L Carbine) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:18:32 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule In-Reply-To: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com> References: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com> Message-ID: This is great! I just wish it had come out a month before Balls... --- Adrian On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Greg Deputy wrote: > Yea!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net [mailto: > arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net] > On Behalf Of Randall Clague > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:16 PM > To: aRocket > Subject: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule > > Hey y'all, > > FAA has released the Amateur Rocket Final Rule to the Office of the > Federal Register for publication. The pre-pub copy is here: > > > It's very good. FAA listened to NAR & TRA without being their lap > dog - they went out of their way to harmonize FAA regs with NFPA 1122 > and 1127, and with sport rocketry standard practice. They didn't > equate NAR/TRA safety code compliance with FAA compliance, because > that would put NAR and TRA in the role of Federal regulators (with no > Congressional oversight), which is illegal. > > The Final Rule will become effective 60 days from publication in the > Federal Register. When it becomes effective, all of this tether > nonsense will go away for vehicles under 200,000 lb-sec total > impulse. The 15 second burn time limit is gone. The 12 psi > "ballistic coefficient" (actually cross-sectional density) limit is > gone. The new limit, which replaces those, is an apogee limit of 150 > km. Aw shucks! > > -R > > > Randall Clague > Government Liaison > XCOR Aerospace > rclague at xcor.com > 661-824-4714 > > _______________________________________________ > aRocket at exrocketry.net > http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/arocket > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- This is great!?? I just wish it had come out a month before Balls... --- Adrian On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Greg Deputy < mailto:greg at blastzone.com greg at blastzone.com > wrote: Yea!! -----Original Message----- From: mailto:arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net [mailto: mailto:arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net ] On Behalf Of Randall Clague Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:16 PM To: aRocket Subject: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Hey y'all, FAA has released the Amateur Rocket Final Rule to the Office of the Federal Register for publication. ?The pre-pub copy is here: < http://www.federalregister.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2008-28703_PI.pdf http://www.federalregister.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2008-28703_PI.pdf > It's very good. ?FAA listened to NAR & TRA without being their lap dog - they went out of their way to harmonize FAA regs with NFPA 1122 and 1127, and with sport rocketry standard practice. ?They didn't equate NAR/TRA safety code compliance with FAA compliance, because that would put NAR and TRA in the role of Federal regulators (with no Congressional oversight), which is illegal. The Final Rule will become effective 60 days from publication in the Federal Register. ?When it becomes effective, all of this tether nonsense will go away for vehicles under 200,000 lb-sec total impulse. ?The 15 second burn time limit is gone. ?The 12 psi "ballistic coefficient" (actually cross-sectional density) limit is gone. ?The new limit, which replaces those, is an apogee limit of 150 km. ?Aw shucks! -R Randall Clague Government Liaison XCOR Aerospace mailto:rclague at xcor.com rclague at xcor.com 661-824-4714 _______________________________________________ mailto:aRocket at exrocketry.net aRocket at exrocketry.net http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/arocket http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/arocket _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From sb at berfield.com Wed Dec 3 15:20:25 2008 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:20:25 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Message-ID: I guess my plan to go orbital at FITS next year is now just a dream :) I love this sentence: Any rocket that goes above the 150 km altitude limit will involve licensing issues, i.e., foreign policy, national security, and safety concerns. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 03:02 PM To: ''NorthWest Rocketry - All'' Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Yea!! -----Original Message----- From: arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net [mailto:arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net] On Behalf Of Randall Clague Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:16 PM To: aRocket Subject: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Hey y'all, FAA has released the Amateur Rocket Final Rule to the Office of the Federal Register for publication. The pre-pub copy is here: It's very good. FAA listened to NAR & TRA without being their lap dog - they went out of their way to harmonize FAA regs with NFPA 1122 and 1127, and with sport rocketry standard practice. They didn't equate NAR/TRA safety code compliance with FAA compliance, because that would put NAR and TRA in the role of Federal regulators (with no Congressional oversight), which is illegal. The Final Rule will become effective 60 days from publication in the Federal Register. When it becomes effective, all of this tether nonsense will go away for vehicles under 200,000 lb-sec total impulse. The 15 second burn time limit is gone. The 12 psi "ballistic coefficient" (actually cross-sectional density) limit is gone. The new limit, which replaces those, is an apogee limit of 150 km. Aw shucks! -R Randall Clague Government Liaison XCOR Aerospace rclague at xcor.com 661-824-4714 _______________________________________________ aRocket at exrocketry.net http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/arocket _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- I guess my plan to go orbital at FITS next year is now just a dream :) ? I love this sentence: Any rocket that goes above the 150 km altitude limit will involve licensing issues, i.e., foreign policy, national security, and safety concerns. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 03:02 PM To: ''NorthWest Rocketry - All'' Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Yea!! -----Original Message----- From: arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net [mailto:arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net] On Behalf Of Randall Clague Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:16 PM To: aRocket Subject: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Hey y'all, FAA has released the Amateur Rocket Final Rule to the Office of the Federal Register for publication. The pre-pub copy is here: It's very good. FAA listened to NAR & TRA without being their lap dog - they went out of their way to harmonize FAA regs with NFPA 1122 and 1127, and with sport rocketry standard practice. They didn't equate NAR/TRA safety code compliance with FAA compliance, because that would put NAR and TRA in the role of Federal regulators (with no Congressional oversight), which is illegal. The Final Rule will become effective 60 days from publication in the Federal Register. When it becomes effective, all of this tether nonsense will go away for vehicles under 200,000 lb-sec total impulse. The 15 second burn time limit is gone. The 12 psi "ballistic coefficient" (actually cross-sectional density) limit is gone. The new limit, which replaces those, is an apogee limit of 150 km. Aw shucks! -R Randall Clague Government Liaison XCOR Aerospace rclague at xcor.com 661-824-4714 _______________________________________________ aRocket at exrocketry.net http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/arocket _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at blastzone.com Wed Dec 3 15:57:22 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:57:22 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3cbf01c955a2$e2640b40$a72c21c0$@com> Keep in mind that these rules are designed to cover more than just us little hobby rocket folks. This also covers people like Armadillo Aerospace, etc, who will at some point be hitting that 150km line. We're in good company. J From: Scott Berfield [mailto:sb at berfield.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:20 PM To: Greg Deputy; 'NorthWest Rocketry - All' Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule I guess my plan to go orbital at FITS next year is now just a dream :) I love this sentence: Any rocket that goes above the 150 km altitude limit will involve licensing issues, i.e., foreign policy, national security, and safety concerns. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 03:02 PM To: ''NorthWest Rocketry - All'' Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Yea!! -----Original Message----- From: arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net [mailto:arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net] On Behalf Of Randall Clague Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:16 PM To: aRocket Subject: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Hey y'all, FAA has released the Amateur Rocket Final Rule to the Office of the Federal Register for publication. The pre-pub copy is here: It's very good. FAA listened to NAR & TRA without being their lap dog - they went out of their way to harmonize FAA regs with NFPA 1122 and 1127, and with sport rocketry standard practice. They didn't equate NAR/TRA safety code compliance with FAA compliance, because that would put NAR and TRA in the role of Federal regulators (with no Congressional oversight), which is illegal. The Final Rule will become effective 60 days from publication in the Federal Register. When it becomes effective, all of this tether nonsense will go away for vehicles under 200,000 lb-sec total impulse. The 15 second burn time limit is gone. The 12 psi "ballistic coefficient" (actually cross-sectional density) limit is gone. The new limit, which replaces those, is an apogee limit of 150 km. Aw shucks! -R Randall Clague Government Liaison XCOR Aerospace rclague at xcor.com 661-824-4714 _______________________________________________ aRocket at exrocketry.net http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/arocket _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Keep in mind that these rules are designed to cover more than just us little hobby rocket folks. This also covers people like Armadillo Aerospace, etc, who will at some point be hitting that 150km line??? ? We???re in good company. J ? From: Scott Berfield [mailto:sb at berfield.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:20 PM To: Greg Deputy; 'NorthWest Rocketry - All' Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule ? I guess my plan to go orbital at FITS next year is now just a dream :) ? I love this sentence: Any rocket that goes above the 150 km altitude limit will involve licensing issues, i.e., foreign policy, national security, and safety concerns. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 03:02 PM To: ''NorthWest Rocketry - All'' Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Yea!! -----Original Message----- From: arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net [mailto:arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net] On Behalf Of Randall Clague Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:16 PM To: aRocket Subject: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Hey y'all, FAA has released the Amateur Rocket Final Rule to the Office of the Federal Register for publication. The pre-pub copy is here: It's very good. FAA listened to NAR & TRA without being their lap dog - they went out of their way to harmonize FAA regs with NFPA 1122 and 1127, and with sport rocketry standard practice. They didn't equate NAR/TRA safety code compliance with FAA compliance, because that would put NAR and TRA in the role of Federal regulators (with no Congressional oversight), which is illegal. The Final Rule will become effective 60 days from publication in the Federal Register. When it becomes effective, all of this tether nonsense will go away for vehicles under 200,000 lb-sec total impulse. The 15 second burn time limit is gone. The 12 psi "ballistic coefficient" (actually cross-sectional density) limit is gone. The new limit, which replaces those, is an apogee limit of 150 km. Aw shucks! -R Randall Clague Government Liaison XCOR Aerospace rclague at xcor.com 661-824-4714 _______________________________________________ aRocket at exrocketry.net http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/arocket _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bjarchow at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 16:29:32 2008 From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:29:32 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule In-Reply-To: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com> References: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com> Message-ID: Great news! Do we have any idea when this will be published in the Federal Register, so we can know when it will become effective? If I understand correctly, we won't need to call ATC for 101 waivers for rockets up to 1500 grams / 3.3 pounds and up to 125 grains of propellant. According to the current Aerotech catalog, all the 29mm H motors but the H97 and H268, and in 38mm the H73, H123, H148, H242, and H669 all use 125 grams or less of propellant. Now we just need a field in western Washington where we can launch these things. If the ATF were to go back to the old rule or completely back off from regulating our AP motors I would become miserable, thoroughly convinced I was dreaming and about to wake up... On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Greg Deputy wrote: > Yea!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net [mailto: > arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net] > On Behalf Of Randall Clague > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:16 PM > To: aRocket > Subject: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule > > Hey y'all, > > FAA has released the Amateur Rocket Final Rule to the Office of the > Federal Register for publication. The pre-pub copy is here: > > > It's very good. FAA listened to NAR & TRA without being their lap > dog - they went out of their way to harmonize FAA regs with NFPA 1122 > and 1127, and with sport rocketry standard practice. They didn't > equate NAR/TRA safety code compliance with FAA compliance, because > that would put NAR and TRA in the role of Federal regulators (with no > Congressional oversight), which is illegal. > > The Final Rule will become effective 60 days from publication in the > Federal Register. When it becomes effective, all of this tether > nonsense will go away for vehicles under 200,000 lb-sec total > impulse. The 15 second burn time limit is gone. The 12 psi > "ballistic coefficient" (actually cross-sectional density) limit is > gone. The new limit, which replaces those, is an apogee limit of 150 > km. Aw shucks! > > -R > > > Randall Clague > Government Liaison > XCOR Aerospace > rclague at xcor.com > 661-824-4714 -------------- next part -------------- If I understand correctly, we won't need to call ATC for 101 waivers for rockets up to 1500 grams / 3.3 pounds and up to 125 grains of propellant. According to the current Aerotech catalog, all the 29mm H motors but the H97 and H268, and in 38mm the H73, H123, H148, H242, and H669 all use 125 grams or less of propellant. Now we just need a field in western Washington where we can launch these things. If the ATF were to go back to the old rule or completely back off from regulating our AP motors I would become miserable, thoroughly convinced I was dreaming and about to wake up... On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Greg Deputy < mailto:greg at blastzone.com greg at blastzone.com > wrote: Yea!! -----Original Message----- From: mailto:arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net [mailto: mailto:arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net ] On Behalf Of Randall Clague Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:16 PM To: aRocket Subject: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Hey y'all, FAA has released the Amateur Rocket Final Rule to the Office of the Federal Register for publication. ?The pre-pub copy is here: < http://www.federalregister.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2008-28703_PI.pdf http://www.federalregister.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2008-28703_PI.pdf > It's very good. ?FAA listened to NAR & TRA without being their lap dog - they went out of their way to harmonize FAA regs with NFPA 1122 and 1127, and with sport rocketry standard practice. ?They didn't equate NAR/TRA safety code compliance with FAA compliance, because that would put NAR and TRA in the role of Federal regulators (with no Congressional oversight), which is illegal. The Final Rule will become effective 60 days from publication in the Federal Register. ?When it becomes effective, all of this tether nonsense will go away for vehicles under 200,000 lb-sec total impulse. ?The 15 second burn time limit is gone. ?The 12 psi "ballistic coefficient" (actually cross-sectional density) limit is gone. ?The new limit, which replaces those, is an apogee limit of 150 km. ?Aw shucks! -R Randall Clague Government Liaison XCOR Aerospace mailto:rclague at xcor.com rclague at xcor.com 661-824-4714 From ghuber at landacorp.com Wed Dec 3 17:08:14 2008 From: ghuber at landacorp.com (Geoff Huber) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:08:14 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule In-Reply-To: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com> References: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com> Message-ID: Do I read that right, < 40k ns can fly up to 150 kilometers and is a class 2 rocket ? -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Deputy Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:03 PM To: 'NorthWest Rocketry - All' Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Yea!! -----Original Message----- From: arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net [mailto:arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net] On Behalf Of Randall Clague Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:16 PM To: aRocket Subject: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Hey y'all, FAA has released the Amateur Rocket Final Rule to the Office of the Federal Register for publication. The pre-pub copy is here: It's very good. FAA listened to NAR & TRA without being their lap dog - they went out of their way to harmonize FAA regs with NFPA 1122 and 1127, and with sport rocketry standard practice. They didn't equate NAR/TRA safety code compliance with FAA compliance, because that would put NAR and TRA in the role of Federal regulators (with no Congressional oversight), which is illegal. The Final Rule will become effective 60 days from publication in the Federal Register. When it becomes effective, all of this tether nonsense will go away for vehicles under 200,000 lb-sec total impulse. The 15 second burn time limit is gone. The 12 psi "ballistic coefficient" (actually cross-sectional density) limit is gone. The new limit, which replaces those, is an apogee limit of 150 km. Aw shucks! -R Randall Clague Government Liaison XCOR Aerospace rclague at xcor.com 661-824-4714 _______________________________________________ aRocket at exrocketry.net http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/arocket _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Scanned with Copfilter Version 0.84beta3a (ProxSMTP 1.8) AntiVirus: ClamAV 0.93.3/8718 - Wed Dec 3 05:29:03 2008 by Markus Madlener @ http://www.copfilter.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Scanned with Copfilter Version 0.84beta3a (ProxSMTP 1.8) AntiVirus: ClamAV 0.93.3/8719 - Wed Dec 3 14:06:40 2008 by Markus Madlener @ http://www.copfilter.org From stevet19759 at comcast.net Wed Dec 3 19:35:56 2008 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:35:56 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule In-Reply-To: References: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com> Message-ID: <4937501C.2000905@comcast.net> Yes and no... The class 1 "model rocket" (aka "low power" or "small") category now allows motors up to 125g propellant. If you have a rocket that's small enough and light enough to fall into that category, you can now launch it on an "H" motor instead of just a "G" without notification. But you'll have to build light to stay under the total liftoff weight limit for class 1. The regulations for class 2 "large model rockets", which include many popular models powered by the Aerotech motors you mentioned, haven't changed. You still need to call in a FAR 101 notification before you fly, and you still DON'T need a waiver. The changes to the high-power rules are very welcome. For our club, the clarification that an FAR 400 launch site permit is NOT required for high-power rocket launches is very welcome. Not that we've ever been asked for one, but I really appreciate the value of having it all spelled out clearly for both the fliers and the regulators. -Steve Brian Jarchow wrote: > If I understand correctly, we won't need to call ATC for 101 waivers for rockets up to 1500 grams / 3.3 pounds and up to 125 grains of propellant. According to the current Aerotech catalog, all the 29mm H motors but the H97 and H268, and in 38mm the H73, H123, H148, H242, and H669 all use 125 grams or less of propellant. > Now we just need a field in western Washington where we can launch these things. If the ATF were to go back to the old rule or completely back off from regulating our AP motors I would become miserable, thoroughly convinced I was dreaming and about to wake up... > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Greg Deputy > < mailto:greg at blastzone.com greg at blastzone.com > wrote: > Yea!! > -----Original Message----- > From: mailto:arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net > [mailto: mailto:arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net > ] > On Behalf Of Randall Clague > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:16 PM > To: aRocket > Subject: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule > Hey y'all, > FAA has released the Amateur Rocket Final Rule to the Office of the > Federal Register for publication. The pre-pub copy is here: > < http://www.federalregister.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2008-28703_PI.pdf http://www.federalregister.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2008-28703_PI.pdf > It's very good. FAA listened to NAR & TRA without being their lap > dog - they went out of their way to harmonize FAA regs with NFPA 1122 > and 1127, and with sport rocketry standard practice. They didn't > equate NAR/TRA safety code compliance with FAA compliance, because > that would put NAR and TRA in the role of Federal regulators (with no > Congressional oversight), which is illegal. > The Final Rule will become effective 60 days from publication in the > Federal Register. When it becomes effective, all of this tether > nonsense will go away for vehicles under 200,000 lb-sec total > impulse. The 15 second burn time limit is gone. The 12 psi > "ballistic coefficient" (actually cross-sectional density) limit is > gone. The new limit, which replaces those, is an apogee limit of 150 > km. Aw shucks! > -R > Randall Clague > Government Liaison > XCOR Aerospace > mailto:rclague at xcor.com rclague at xcor.com > 661-824-4714 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From stevet19759 at comcast.net Wed Dec 3 19:52:42 2008 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:52:42 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule In-Reply-To: <4937501C.2000905@comcast.net> References: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com> <4937501C.2000905@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4937540A.8070704@comcast.net> Sorry, my information was incorrect (and was based on a preliminary report issued late last summer.) I hadn't understood how much further the rule changes had gone since then. Yes, the old "small" and "large" model categories have now been combined and don't require notification (yay!) The new rules require notification -- but not a waiver -- for most daytime high-power activities. We in the club will have to talk about whether we want to try to obtain a waiver for high-power night launches. My guess is that it will now be much more difficult to get a waiver and so this may force us to limit our night launches slightly. We'll see... -Steve (looking sheepish) From bjarchow at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 20:26:37 2008 From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:26:37 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule In-Reply-To: <4937540A.8070704@comcast.net> References: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com> <4937501C.2000905@comcast.net> <4937540A.8070704@comcast.net> Message-ID: I just took another look. Class 1 is up to 4.4 oz propellant (the motors I listed previously) and 1500 grams / 3.3 pounds. Class 2 is anything over 1500 grams with any motor up to an O. The table on page 22 says no regulation for class 1, 24-96 hour notification for class 2 flights. So if anybody can find a suitable field, we can have a few test launches with A-H motors before getting ATC involved. I didn't read the notice thoroughly enough to understand if a waiver or just notification is required for class 2 flights. Anybody? Brian On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Steve Tarr wrote: > Sorry, my information was incorrect (and was based on a preliminary report > issued late last summer.) I hadn't understood how much further the rule > changes had gone since then. > > Yes, the old "small" and "large" model categories have now been combined > and don't require notification (yay!) > > The new rules require notification -- but not a waiver -- for most daytime > high-power activities. We in the club will have to talk about whether we > want to try to obtain a waiver for high-power night launches. My guess is > that it will now be much more difficult to get a waiver and so this may > force us to limit our night launches slightly. We'll see... > > -Steve (looking sheepish) > -------------- next part -------------- So if anybody can find a suitable field, we can have a few test launches with A-H motors before getting ATC involved. I didn't read the notice thoroughly enough to understand if a waiver or just notification is required for class 2 flights. Anybody? Brian On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Steve Tarr < mailto:stevet19759 at comcast.net stevet19759 at comcast.net > wrote: Sorry, my information was incorrect (and was based on a preliminary report issued late last summer.) ?I hadn't understood how much further the rule changes had gone since then. Yes, the old "small" and "large" model categories have now been combined and don't require notification (yay!) The new rules require notification -- but not a waiver -- for most daytime high-power activities. ?We in the club will have to talk about whether we want to try to obtain a waiver for high-power night launches. ? My guess is that it will now be much more difficult to get a waiver and so this may force us to limit our night launches slightly. ?We'll see... -Steve (looking sheepish) From bjarchow at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 20:29:32 2008 From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:29:32 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] AP regulation question Message-ID: I am not clear on the current ATF regulations for AP, and I get the impression the ATF isn't clear either, but maybe somebody here can help out. I understand they are saying that now a LEUP is required for any motor that uses more than 65 grams of propellant, total. Is the LEUP required to purchase, or to possess? If somebody happens to have a few old H and I reloads, but no LEUP, are they in violation of the rule? And how long of a shelf life does AP propellant have? I found a few 29/40-120 reloads dated before the Aerotech fire. Thanks, Brian -------------- next part -------------- I understand they are saying that now a LEUP is required for any motor that uses more than 65 grams of propellant, total. Is the LEUP required to purchase, or to possess? If somebody happens to have a few old H and I reloads, but no LEUP, are they in violation of the rule? And how long of a shelf life does AP propellant have? I found a few 29/40-120 reloads dated before the Aerotech fire. Thanks, Brian From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Thu Dec 4 02:07:35 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:07:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule In-Reply-To: References: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com> Message-ID: <1970.208.100.240.83.1228385255.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> I have yet to read the final rule, but the FAA, unlike another certain unnamed federal agency, has always been pretty reasonable. That is, the FAA hasn't always agreed with what hobby rocket people want, and I haven't always agreed with what the FAA wants, but they do always have a 'reasonable reason' for their stand. If only that "other federal agency" would get a clue from the FAA and stop mainlining the utterly addicting drugs called paranoia and unchecked power. But then, yes, I'd be worried that I'd somehow jumped into a parallel universe... +Mcg+ > If I understand correctly, we won't need to call ATC for 101 waivers for > rockets up to 1500 grams / 3.3 pounds and up to 125 grains of propellant. > According to the current Aerotech catalog, all the 29mm H motors but the > H97 and H268, and in 38mm the H73, H123, H148, H242, and H669 all use 125 > grams or less of propellant. > Now we just need a field in western Washington where we can launch these > things. If the ATF were to go back to the old rule or completely back off > from regulating our AP motors I would become miserable, thoroughly > convinced I was dreaming and about to wake up... > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Greg Deputy > < mailto:greg at blastzone.com greg at blastzone.com >> > wrote: > Yea!! > -----Original Message----- > From: mailto:arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net > [mailto: mailto:arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net > arocket-bounces at exrocketry.net > ] > On Behalf Of Randall Clague > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:16 PM > To: aRocket > Subject: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule > Hey y'all, > FAA has released the Amateur Rocket Final Rule to the Office of the > Federal Register for publication. ?The pre-pub copy is here: > < http://www.federalregister.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2008-28703_PI.pdf > http://www.federalregister.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2008-28703_PI.pdf >> > It's very good. ?FAA listened to NAR & TRA without being their lap > dog - they went out of their way to harmonize FAA regs with NFPA 1122 > and 1127, and with sport rocketry standard practice. ?They didn't > equate NAR/TRA safety code compliance with FAA compliance, because > that would put NAR and TRA in the role of Federal regulators (with no > Congressional oversight), which is illegal. > The Final Rule will become effective 60 days from publication in the > Federal Register. ?When it becomes effective, all of this tether > nonsense will go away for vehicles under 200,000 lb-sec total > impulse. ?The 15 second burn time limit is gone. ?The 12 psi > "ballistic coefficient" (actually cross-sectional density) limit is > gone. ?The new limit, which replaces those, is an apogee limit of 150 > km. ?Aw shucks! > -R > Randall Clague > Government Liaison > XCOR Aerospace > mailto:rclague at xcor.com rclague at xcor.com > 661-824-4714 > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Thu Dec 4 02:22:38 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:22:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] AP regulation question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1984.208.100.240.83.1228386158.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Any single *motor* that contains more than 62.5 grams of propellant requires a LEUP to purchase or possess. You can still cluster sub-62.5 motors up to the Newton-second limit of your NAR or TRA certification without a LEUP. As for a few old reloads, ATF isn't lurking under every bed and a "reload buddy" on the field can, uh, well, let's just say that as long as your cert level permits you to use a motor that size then details of the motor's provenance can get lost in the confusion on the field... Old AP motors will work fine but may be hard to light and therefore might underperform somewhat. Scrape any white stuff out of the slot before using. And remember, always dispose of old motors and reloads properly: Use 'em. ;-) +McG+ > I understand they are saying that now a LEUP is required for any motor > that uses more than 65 grams of propellant, total. Is the LEUP required to > purchase, or to possess? If somebody happens to have a few old H and I > reloads, but no LEUP, are they in violation of the rule? > And how long of a shelf life does AP propellant have? I found a few > 29/40-120 reloads dated before the Aerotech fire. > Thanks, > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From bjarchow at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 14:51:40 2008 From: bjarchow at gmail.com (Brian Jarchow) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:51:40 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule In-Reply-To: <1970.208.100.240.83.1228385255.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> References: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com> <1970.208.100.240.83.1228385255.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Message-ID: I just saw an article on an entirely unrelated subject that says a revision of the guns in national parks law will be published in the Federal Register NEXT WEEK. Hopefully we'll see this FAA rule published next week as well, then in early February we will be able to enjoy the more relaxed rules. -------------- next part -------------- Hopefully we'll see this FAA rule published next week as well, then in early February we will be able to enjoy the more relaxed rules. From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Fri Dec 5 15:02:10 2008 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:02:10 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule References: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com><1970.208.100.240.83.1228385255.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6860@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> FYI, it was printed in the federal register on Thurs. Dec. 4 and will go into effect Feb 2, 2009. To sum up: Class 1--Model Rockets: are now defined as anything using no more than 125 g propellant and weighing no more than 1500 grams. They require no notification or waivering. Class 2--High-Power Rockets: are now defined as any rocket other than a class 1 rocket propelled by a motor or motors having a combined total impulse of 40,960 N-sec or less (O impulse class). These require notice and waivers. Class 3--Advanced High-Power Rockets: are now defined as any amateur rocket other than a class 1 or 2. These also require notice and waivers. Other: are now defined as any unmanned rocket that is not an amateur rocket. [Source: Federal Register/Vol 73, No. 234, page 73774, published Dec. 4, 2008.] There's a link on the NAR Electronic Rocketeer #6 that Trip Barber sent out last night. Cheers, all! Peter Schurke Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brian Jarchow Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:52 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule I just saw an article on an entirely unrelated subject that says a revision of the guns in national parks law will be published in the Federal Register NEXT WEEK. Hopefully we'll see this FAA rule published next week as well, then in early February we will be able to enjoy the more relaxed rules. From robert.krausert at intel.com Fri Dec 5 15:57:31 2008 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:57:31 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6860@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> References: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com><1970.208.100.240.83.1228385255.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6860@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BB20458@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Peter, Class 2 requiring a waiver? What is the difference between table B-2 and B-3? B-2 covers local ATC, no waiver required and 24-96 hours notice. B-3 is filing of a waiver, asking for more info, and 45 days prior. What I cannot find in the document is "when" class 2 requires a waiver. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/multidb.cgi Doc#1 Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:02 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule FYI, it was printed in the federal register on Thurs. Dec. 4 and will go into effect Feb 2, 2009. To sum up: Class 1--Model Rockets: are now defined as anything using no more than 125 g propellant and weighing no more than 1500 grams. They require no notification or waivering. Class 2--High-Power Rockets: are now defined as any rocket other than a class 1 rocket propelled by a motor or motors having a combined total impulse of 40,960 N-sec or less (O impulse class). These require notice and waivers. Class 3--Advanced High-Power Rockets: are now defined as any amateur rocket other than a class 1 or 2. These also require notice and waivers. Other: are now defined as any unmanned rocket that is not an amateur rocket. [Source: Federal Register/Vol 73, No. 234, page 73774, published Dec. 4, 2008.] There's a link on the NAR Electronic Rocketeer #6 that Trip Barber sent out last night. Cheers, all! Peter Schurke Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brian Jarchow Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:52 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule I just saw an article on an entirely unrelated subject that says a revision of the guns in national parks law will be published in the Federal Register NEXT WEEK. Hopefully we'll see this FAA rule published next week as well, then in early February we will be able to enjoy the more relaxed rules. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From appusher at q.com Fri Dec 5 16:17:41 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:17:41 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Christmas sale [AD] Message-ID: Hi Fliers, Aerotech has in fact given the vendors a break in prices. They call it an economic stimulus. Hmmmm... Why question what they call it. We can just take advantage of it. We are taking pre-paid orders from LEUP holders up to Dec 15th for reloads. No limits. We are offering 20% off retail for these prepaid orders. Get together with your flying friends and get a group order together. We can deliver orders to the spring launch or arrangements can be made for another delivery point prior to the launch season starting back up. Rouse-Tech hardware will be on sale at 25% off retail until Dec 31. We are also offering Gift Certificates for stocking stuffers or just an envelope and a bow for the tree. Get a head start on you AP fix for the coming season. Options to store your purchase are available so take advantage while you can. Bill and Dave @ PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me -------------- next part -------------- Hi Fliers, ? Aerotech has in fact given the vendors a break in prices.? They call it an economic stimulus.? Hmmmm...?? Why question what they call it.? We can just take advantage of it. ? We are taking pre-paid orders from LEUP holders up to Dec 15th for reloads.? No limits.? We are offering 20% off retail for these prepaid orders.? Get together with your flying friends and get a group order together. We can deliver orders to the spring launch or arrangements can be made for another delivery point prior to the launch season starting back up.? ? Rouse-Tech hardware will be on sale at 25% off retail until Dec 31. ? We are also offering Gift Certificates for stocking stuffers or just an envelope and a bow for the tree. ? Get a head start on you AP fix for the coming season.? Options to store your purchase are available so take advantage while you can.? ? ? Bill and Dave @ PSP ? ? http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 18:20:13 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:20:13 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] [OT] Santa Claus On 146.84 MHz Dec 6, 7 PM Message-ID: <004a01c95749$2c9681a0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Friends, If you can reach the 146.84 repeater, please join us. Located on Larch mt. in Washington near Camas. No tone. Standard negative 5KHz offset. Read the exciting messages from Carl and Santa Claus below. Join the 684 repeater for a very special and memorable event. Bring the little ones. Merry Christmas, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Santa Claus To: parcnet at yahoogroups.com ; 684repeater at yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: [684repeater] Santa Claus On 146.84 MHz Nov 29 & Dec 6, 7 PM Hi All, this just in from the North Pole--- Santa will be linked into the 146.84 MHz W7LT Repeater this Saturday, November 29th, and next Saturday also, December 6th, from 7:00 PM PST. Old Santy needs some good operators to help him talk with the youngsters!! Santa's message to all of us is below. 73 Carl, AC7GS & Portland Amateur Radio Club ----------------------------------- Santa writes: Ho Ho Ho, Merry Christmas to All! I'm writing you from the North Pole to tell you about my Net! The Ham Radio link to my Workshop at the North Pole will be my Good Friend, Carl, AC7GS, down in Dayton Oregon. 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Groups. . http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=17280364/grpspId=1705063108/msgId=475/stime=1227726958/nc1=4025304/nc2=5191955/nc3=5028927 __,_._,___ From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Fri Dec 5 20:14:29 2008 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:14:29 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule References: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com><1970.208.100.240.83.1228385255.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6860@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BB20458@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9998@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Not being a lawyer, I just summarized the table as I understood it. Since I have never been in the position to have to complete a waiver (the worst I've ever had to do myself is call Sea-Tac ATC to notify them my TARC team was launching their rocket out at Sixty last year because it weighed in at just over a pound), I will choose the prudent path of "not further speaking authoritatively about that which I am not totally sure". I read through the five pages of mind-numbing beaureaucratese that preceeds the tables and I could swear that there was stuff in there about waivers essentially the same for class 2 rockets and preserving the ability to complete a season-long waiver for multiple club launches. However, it's been a long week dealing with the kids and I'm too tired to read through it again tonight....so I punt. Someone more versed with wading through legalese might want to translate that portion of the document... Pete ________________________________ From: Krausert, Robert [mailto:robert.krausert at intel.com] Sent: Fri 12/5/2008 3:57 PM To: Schurke, Peter; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Peter, Class 2 requiring a waiver? What is the difference between table B-2 and B-3? B-2 covers local ATC, no waiver required and 24-96 hours notice. B-3 is filing of a waiver, asking for more info, and 45 days prior. What I cannot find in the document is "when" class 2 requires a waiver. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/multidb.cgi Doc#1 Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:02 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule FYI, it was printed in the federal register on Thurs. Dec. 4 and will go into effect Feb 2, 2009. To sum up: Class 1--Model Rockets: are now defined as anything using no more than 125 g propellant and weighing no more than 1500 grams. They require no notification or waivering. Class 2--High-Power Rockets: are now defined as any rocket other than a class 1 rocket propelled by a motor or motors having a combined total impulse of 40,960 N-sec or less (O impulse class). These require notice and waivers. Class 3--Advanced High-Power Rockets: are now defined as any amateur rocket other than a class 1 or 2. These also require notice and waivers. Other: are now defined as any unmanned rocket that is not an amateur rocket. [Source: Federal Register/Vol 73, No. 234, page 73774, published Dec. 4, 2008.] There's a link on the NAR Electronic Rocketeer #6 that Trip Barber sent out last night. Cheers, all! Peter Schurke Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brian Jarchow Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:52 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule I just saw an article on an entirely unrelated subject that says a revision of the guns in national parks law will be published in the Federal Register NEXT WEEK. Hopefully we'll see this FAA rule published next week as well, then in early February we will be able to enjoy the more relaxed rules. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 20:27:29 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:27:29 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule References: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com><1970.208.100.240.83.1228385255.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6860@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BB20458@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9998@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: <007201c9575a$f40dfb80$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Peter, Man, I hope I didn't send the wrong impression. Your update was surely valued, and this is great news. I wasn't sure if you knew when and not a waiver is required. The way I read it, and I too am no legal guy, it looks like a waiver (as you stated) is still required. Hope all is cool. I asked because you gave an update. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schurke, Peter" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule > Not being a lawyer, I just summarized the table as I understood it. > > Since I have never been in the position to have to complete a waiver (the > worst I've ever had to do myself is call Sea-Tac ATC to notify them my > TARC team was launching their rocket out at Sixty last year because it > weighed in at just over a pound), I will choose the prudent path of "not > further speaking authoritatively about that which I am not totally sure". > I read through the five pages of mind-numbing beaureaucratese that > preceeds the tables and I could swear that there was stuff in there about > waivers essentially the same for class 2 rockets and preserving the > ability to complete a season-long waiver for multiple club launches. > However, it's been a long week dealing with the kids and I'm too tired to > read through it again tonight....so I punt. > > Someone more versed with wading through legalese might want to translate > that portion of the document... > > Pete > > ________________________________ > > From: Krausert, Robert [mailto:robert.krausert at intel.com] > Sent: Fri 12/5/2008 3:57 PM > To: Schurke, Peter; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule > > > > Peter, > Class 2 requiring a waiver? What is the difference between table B-2 and > B-3? B-2 covers local ATC, no waiver required and 24-96 hours notice. B-3 > is filing of a waiver, asking for more info, and 45 days prior. What I > cannot find in the document is "when" class 2 requires a waiver. > > http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/multidb.cgi Doc#1 > > Cheers, > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:02 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule > > > > FYI, it was printed in the federal register on Thurs. Dec. 4 and will go > into effect Feb 2, 2009. > > To sum up: > > Class 1--Model Rockets: are now defined as anything using no more than > 125 g propellant and weighing no more than 1500 grams. They require no > notification or waivering. > > Class 2--High-Power Rockets: are now defined as any rocket other than a > class 1 rocket propelled by a motor or motors having a combined total > impulse of 40,960 N-sec or less (O impulse class). These require notice > and waivers. > > Class 3--Advanced High-Power Rockets: are now defined as any amateur > rocket other than a class 1 or 2. These also require notice and > waivers. > > Other: are now defined as any unmanned rocket that is not an amateur > rocket. > > [Source: Federal Register/Vol 73, No. 234, page 73774, published Dec. > 4, 2008.] > > There's a link on the NAR Electronic Rocketeer #6 that Trip Barber sent > out last night. > > Cheers, all! > > Peter Schurke > Teacher and Lead Advisor > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > Ingraham High School > Seattle, WA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brian Jarchow > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:52 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule > > I just saw an article on an entirely unrelated subject that says a > revision of the guns in national parks law will be published in the > Federal Register NEXT WEEK. > > Hopefully we'll see this FAA rule published next week as well, then in > early February we will be able to enjoy the more relaxed rules. > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Sat Dec 6 10:05:03 2008 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:05:03 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule References: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com><1970.208.100.240.83.1228385255.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6860@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BB20458@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA9998@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> <007201c9575a$f40dfb80$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA999C@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> No problem...just covering my @$$. :-) Five days playing mother hen to 180 little turkeys usually leaves my nerves a bit shot on Fridays: so sorry that I responded in a way that made it appear I took your question a little more "edgily" than was intended. All is cool. Especially in light of the rejoicing in the streets that after Feb 2 I won't have to call ATC for my TARC teams anymore! Pete ________________________________ From: Robert Krausert [mailto:lawndart.robert at gmail.com] Sent: Fri 12/5/2008 8:27 PM To: Schurke, Peter; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule Peter, Man, I hope I didn't send the wrong impression. Your update was surely valued, and this is great news. I wasn't sure if you knew when and not a waiver is required. The way I read it, and I too am no legal guy, it looks like a waiver (as you stated) is still required. Hope all is cool. I asked because you gave an update. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schurke, Peter" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule > Not being a lawyer, I just summarized the table as I understood it. > > Since I have never been in the position to have to complete a waiver (the > worst I've ever had to do myself is call Sea-Tac ATC to notify them my > TARC team was launching their rocket out at Sixty last year because it > weighed in at just over a pound), I will choose the prudent path of "not > further speaking authoritatively about that which I am not totally sure". > I read through the five pages of mind-numbing beaureaucratese that > preceeds the tables and I could swear that there was stuff in there about > waivers essentially the same for class 2 rockets and preserving the > ability to complete a season-long waiver for multiple club launches. > However, it's been a long week dealing with the kids and I'm too tired to > read through it again tonight....so I punt. > > Someone more versed with wading through legalese might want to translate > that portion of the document... > > Pete > > ________________________________ > > From: Krausert, Robert [mailto:robert.krausert at intel.com] > Sent: Fri 12/5/2008 3:57 PM > To: Schurke, Peter; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule > > > > Peter, > Class 2 requiring a waiver? What is the difference between table B-2 and > B-3? B-2 covers local ATC, no waiver required and 24-96 hours notice. B-3 > is filing of a waiver, asking for more info, and 45 days prior. What I > cannot find in the document is "when" class 2 requires a waiver. > > http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/multidb.cgi Doc#1 > > Cheers, > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:02 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule > > > > FYI, it was printed in the federal register on Thurs. Dec. 4 and will go > into effect Feb 2, 2009. > > To sum up: > > Class 1--Model Rockets: are now defined as anything using no more than > 125 g propellant and weighing no more than 1500 grams. They require no > notification or waivering. > > Class 2--High-Power Rockets: are now defined as any rocket other than a > class 1 rocket propelled by a motor or motors having a combined total > impulse of 40,960 N-sec or less (O impulse class). These require notice > and waivers. > > Class 3--Advanced High-Power Rockets: are now defined as any amateur > rocket other than a class 1 or 2. These also require notice and > waivers. > > Other: are now defined as any unmanned rocket that is not an amateur > rocket. > > [Source: Federal Register/Vol 73, No. 234, page 73774, published Dec. > 4, 2008.] > > There's a link on the NAR Electronic Rocketeer #6 that Trip Barber sent > out last night. > > Cheers, all! > > Peter Schurke > Teacher and Lead Advisor > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > Ingraham High School > Seattle, WA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brian Jarchow > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:52 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule > > I just saw an article on an entirely unrelated subject that says a > revision of the guns in national parks law will be published in the > Federal Register NEXT WEEK. > > Hopefully we'll see this FAA rule published next week as well, then in > early February we will be able to enjoy the more relaxed rules. > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From franklyd62 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 6 11:44:41 2008 From: franklyd62 at yahoo.com (lloyd humez) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:44:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters Message-ID: <234902.65230.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a two part question about batteries for altimeters (perfectflite MaWD): I read some where that you can stack 6 - SR44 silver oxide batteries inside a heat shinkwrap tube to make a lighter weight battery. Is this possible, reasonable, or even recommended??? Second, would you trust your favorite rocket using a group of "Thunderbolt Magnum" batteries from Harbor Freight??? (They are on sale for 2 x $1 through Sunday). Thanks, Lloyd (from Eugene) From carl20320 at msn.com Sat Dec 6 12:41:00 2008 From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:41:00 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters In-Reply-To: <234902.65230.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <234902.65230.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You can stack the batteries as you mentioned. They even sell Perfect Flight even sells a battery holder and the kits to do so. If you are using this for deployment, you definitely need to test your ematches to make sure they will fire. As for trusting a rocket with electronics to cheap batteries, I would not. Good batteries are too cheap to risk several hundred dollars to. My $0.02 Carl NAR 33262 TRA 11344 KE7DRZ > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of lloyd humez > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:45 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters > > I have a two part question about batteries for altimeters > (perfectflite MaWD): > > I read some where that you can stack 6 - SR44 silver oxide > batteries inside a heat shinkwrap tube to make a lighter > weight battery. > Is this possible, reasonable, or even recommended??? > > Second, would you trust your favorite rocket using a group of > "Thunderbolt Magnum" batteries from Harbor Freight??? (They > are on sale for 2 x $1 through Sunday). > > Thanks, Lloyd (from Eugene) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From jhadv at pacifier.com Sat Dec 6 13:00:22 2008 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:00:22 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20081206125519.00bd0060@mail.iinet.com> One of the most important things to watch for when choosing any type of batteries for an altimeter is that the battery capacity does not overwhelm the output FET on the respective flight controller. Sadly, most altimeters are designed assuming that the user will be using a commercial 9 Volt battery and standard 50 gauge e-match. So be careful on the FET capacity as they are sometimes pretty weak. Also watch that the battery performance over temperature difference does not supply excess voltage and damage the FET or reduce power draw capability and get overwhelmed by the combined circuit resistance. Both have been problems for me in the past. From scott at scottsrockets.com Sat Dec 6 13:37:52 2008 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:37:52 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters In-Reply-To: References: <234902.65230.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41166F47C61344DEB1437C2B8900D484@Mobile2> Many have pulled apart batteries and the consensus has always been Duracell 9 volt. The internal connections are welded, making them a little more robust. I agree with Carl, why trust many dollars and many hours to a cheap battery? Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Carl Degner Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:41 PM To: 'lloyd humez'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters You can stack the batteries as you mentioned. They even sell Perfect Flight even sells a battery holder and the kits to do so. If you are using this for deployment, you definitely need to test your ematches to make sure they will fire. As for trusting a rocket with electronics to cheap batteries, I would not. Good batteries are too cheap to risk several hundred dollars to. My $0.02 Carl NAR 33262 TRA 11344 KE7DRZ > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of lloyd humez > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:45 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters > > I have a two part question about batteries for altimeters > (perfectflite MaWD): > > I read some where that you can stack 6 - SR44 silver oxide batteries > inside a heat shinkwrap tube to make a lighter weight battery. > Is this possible, reasonable, or even recommended??? > > Second, would you trust your favorite rocket using a group of > "Thunderbolt Magnum" batteries from Harbor Freight??? (They are on > sale for 2 x $1 through Sunday). > > Thanks, Lloyd (from Eugene) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bar0051 at homenetnw.net Sat Dec 6 13:59:57 2008 From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net (Bryon Schopp) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:59:57 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters References: <234902.65230.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <41166F47C61344DEB1437C2B8900D484@Mobile2> Message-ID: I may be wrong, but it seems that I heard that the Duracell Ultra batteries were the ones with the welded connections. I have not been able to find them in any store but I have never had an issue with regular Duracell 9 Volts. I do put a new one in for each flight as I do not want to risk it on a cheap battery. The concern for me is not weather the battery still has enough charge after a flight, but will the internal connections stand up to the G load again. I do not risk it. My =$.02 Bryon Schopp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott T Bowers" To: "'Carl Degner'" ; "'lloyd humez'" ; Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters > Many have pulled apart batteries and the consensus has always been > Duracell > 9 volt. The internal connections are welded, making them a little more > robust. > > I agree with Carl, why trust many dollars and many hours to a cheap > battery? > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Carl Degner > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:41 PM > To: 'lloyd humez'; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters > > You can stack the batteries as you mentioned. They even sell Perfect > Flight > even sells a battery holder and the kits to do so. If you are using this > for deployment, you definitely need to test your ematches to make sure > they > will fire. > > As for trusting a rocket with electronics to cheap batteries, I would not. > Good batteries are too cheap to risk several hundred dollars to. > > My $0.02 > > Carl > NAR 33262 > TRA 11344 > KE7DRZ > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of lloyd humez >> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:45 AM >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters >> >> I have a two part question about batteries for altimeters >> (perfectflite MaWD): >> >> I read some where that you can stack 6 - SR44 silver oxide batteries >> inside a heat shinkwrap tube to make a lighter weight battery. >> Is this possible, reasonable, or even recommended??? >> >> Second, would you trust your favorite rocket using a group of >> "Thunderbolt Magnum" batteries from Harbor Freight??? (They are on >> sale for 2 x $1 through Sunday). >> >> Thanks, Lloyd (from Eugene) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From scott at scottsrockets.com Sat Dec 6 14:12:47 2008 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:12:47 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters In-Reply-To: References: <234902.65230.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <41166F47C61344DEB1437C2B8900D484@Mobile2> Message-ID: <4957295462FC4F2F92FEFB498FB3B500@Mobile2> I will find one of the regulars Duracell's and pull it apart. Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: Bryon Schopp [mailto:bar0051 at homenetnw.net] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:00 PM To: Scott T Bowers; 'Carl Degner'; 'lloyd humez'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters I may be wrong, but it seems that I heard that the Duracell Ultra batteries were the ones with the welded connections. I have not been able to find them in any store but I have never had an issue with regular Duracell 9 Volts. I do put a new one in for each flight as I do not want to risk it on a cheap battery. The concern for me is not weather the battery still has enough charge after a flight, but will the internal connections stand up to the G load again. I do not risk it. My =$.02 Bryon Schopp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott T Bowers" To: "'Carl Degner'" ; "'lloyd humez'" ; Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters > Many have pulled apart batteries and the consensus has always been > Duracell > 9 volt. The internal connections are welded, making them a little more > robust. > > I agree with Carl, why trust many dollars and many hours to a cheap > battery? > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Carl Degner > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:41 PM > To: 'lloyd humez'; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters > > You can stack the batteries as you mentioned. They even sell Perfect > Flight > even sells a battery holder and the kits to do so. If you are using this > for deployment, you definitely need to test your ematches to make sure > they > will fire. > > As for trusting a rocket with electronics to cheap batteries, I would not. > Good batteries are too cheap to risk several hundred dollars to. > > My $0.02 > > Carl > NAR 33262 > TRA 11344 > KE7DRZ > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of lloyd humez >> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:45 AM >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters >> >> I have a two part question about batteries for altimeters >> (perfectflite MaWD): >> >> I read some where that you can stack 6 - SR44 silver oxide batteries >> inside a heat shinkwrap tube to make a lighter weight battery. >> Is this possible, reasonable, or even recommended??? >> >> Second, would you trust your favorite rocket using a group of >> "Thunderbolt Magnum" batteries from Harbor Freight??? (They are on >> sale for 2 x $1 through Sunday). >> >> Thanks, Lloyd (from Eugene) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From scott at scottsrockets.com Sat Dec 6 14:20:56 2008 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:20:56 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters In-Reply-To: <4957295462FC4F2F92FEFB498FB3B500@Mobile2> References: <234902.65230.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com><41166F47C61344DEB1437C2B8900D484@Mobile2> <4957295462FC4F2F92FEFB498FB3B500@Mobile2> Message-ID: <69A8D70B121C41A4A181BFD7A4E0E72D@Mobile2> I take that back, I don't have one anywhere! Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:13 PM To: 'Bryon Schopp'; 'Carl Degner'; 'lloyd humez'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters I will find one of the regulars Duracell's and pull it apart. Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: Bryon Schopp [mailto:bar0051 at homenetnw.net] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:00 PM To: Scott T Bowers; 'Carl Degner'; 'lloyd humez'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters I may be wrong, but it seems that I heard that the Duracell Ultra batteries were the ones with the welded connections. I have not been able to find them in any store but I have never had an issue with regular Duracell 9 Volts. I do put a new one in for each flight as I do not want to risk it on a cheap battery. The concern for me is not weather the battery still has enough charge after a flight, but will the internal connections stand up to the G load again. I do not risk it. My =$.02 Bryon Schopp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott T Bowers" To: "'Carl Degner'" ; "'lloyd humez'" ; Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters > Many have pulled apart batteries and the consensus has always been > Duracell > 9 volt. The internal connections are welded, making them a little more > robust. > > I agree with Carl, why trust many dollars and many hours to a cheap > battery? > > Scott T. Bowers > www.scottsrockets.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Carl Degner > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:41 PM > To: 'lloyd humez'; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters > > You can stack the batteries as you mentioned. They even sell Perfect > Flight even sells a battery holder and the kits to do so. If you are > using this for deployment, you definitely need to test your ematches > to make sure they will fire. > > As for trusting a rocket with electronics to cheap batteries, I would not. > Good batteries are too cheap to risk several hundred dollars to. > > My $0.02 > > Carl > NAR 33262 > TRA 11344 > KE7DRZ > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of lloyd humez >> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:45 AM >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters >> >> I have a two part question about batteries for altimeters >> (perfectflite MaWD): >> >> I read some where that you can stack 6 - SR44 silver oxide batteries >> inside a heat shinkwrap tube to make a lighter weight battery. >> Is this possible, reasonable, or even recommended??? >> >> Second, would you trust your favorite rocket using a group of >> "Thunderbolt Magnum" batteries from Harbor Freight??? (They are on >> sale for 2 x $1 through Sunday). >> >> Thanks, Lloyd (from Eugene) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From foreveryoung at inlandnet.com Sat Dec 6 17:10:50 2008 From: foreveryoung at inlandnet.com (Bryan Young) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:10:50 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters In-Reply-To: References: <234902.65230.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c95808$a53c60b0$efb52210$@com> 1) Duracell advertises on their web site that there internal connections are welded. 2) From e-mails with iPowerUS, there 9V 500mAH Li-Polymer is welded inside and is designed for hobby use. The pro version of this battery is not welded. http://www.thomas-distributing.com/ipower-9v-lithium-rechargeable-battery.ph p. Note: this battery is about 1/2 the weight of an alkaline 9V. 3) SR44 batteries vary in overall mAH - at one time I found a table comparing the various manufacturers, but cannot find it anywhere. One thing you can do is get a 4SR44 and then add two more cells. Not cheap, $18.95 for one 4SR44. 4) Tadiran batteries makes the TLM-1520HP, a 1/2 AA Lithium Organic cell, and the TLM-1530HP, a 2/3 AA Lithium Organic cell. The 1520HP is rated for a continuous discharge rate of 1.25A, with a pulse to 2A. If you can run your altimeter at 10.8V using three of these, it's a great (albeit PRICEY!) way to go. -B -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Carl Degner Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:41 PM To: 'lloyd humez'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters You can stack the batteries as you mentioned. They even sell Perfect Flight even sells a battery holder and the kits to do so. If you are using this for deployment, you definitely need to test your ematches to make sure they will fire. As for trusting a rocket with electronics to cheap batteries, I would not. Good batteries are too cheap to risk several hundred dollars to. My $0.02 Carl NAR 33262 TRA 11344 KE7DRZ > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of lloyd humez > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:45 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters > > I have a two part question about batteries for altimeters > (perfectflite MaWD): > > I read some where that you can stack 6 - SR44 silver oxide > batteries inside a heat shinkwrap tube to make a lighter > weight battery. > Is this possible, reasonable, or even recommended??? > > Second, would you trust your favorite rocket using a group of > "Thunderbolt Magnum" batteries from Harbor Freight??? (They > are on sale for 2 x $1 through Sunday). > > Thanks, Lloyd (from Eugene) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sat Dec 6 17:28:15 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:28:15 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ground Based Interceptor missile launch video Message-ID: <493B26AF.8070008@earthlink.net> Here it is without all the whiny CNN commentary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZViavFMW0U Some things to watch for: Staging at around 2:10, A cool angle on the interceptor launchpad from 25K feet at at 2:33, The intercept scene at 3:11. While the planned decoy did not deploy do not the yellow and red boxes in the kill vehicle's sights. The yellow box is the upper stage of the threat ICBM and the red one surrounds the conical warhead. So while it didn't get the chance to discriminate between a decoy and a warhead, the exoatmospheric kill vehicle (EKV) indeed had to pick the right object to kill 124 miles above the Pacific at over 15,000 mph. Here is a news release by the MDA about the successful test in PDF format. http://www.mda.mil/mdalink/pdf/08news0090.pdf Here is some really cool video from the Missile Defense Agency (MDA) of the multiple kill vehicle (MKV) hover test hovering around in a netted cage that was successfully tested this month. Try doing this with any of your rockets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPFj8kGXnwk I remember seeing a test like this back in the late '80s on the CBS morning news which was for the Brilliant Pebbles program. When the test was over you could here the engineers in the background cheering. From jop2 at otisace.com Sat Dec 6 19:31:32 2008 From: jop2 at otisace.com (Jim) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:31:32 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 11, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493B4394.4030105@otisace.com> We have been doing that successfully for a couple of years. PerfectFlite has battery holders for the 6 ea Duracell D303 batteries that we use. Be sure to remove them from the altimeter after flight as we have had several batteries reverse voltage if left in the altimeter circuit. That is the + becomes the - on a battery. We have tried this with an ARTS2 and had no luck. Jim Spokane DawgPak > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [RocketsNW] Batteries for altimeters > From: > lloyd humez > Date: > Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:44:41 -0800 (PST) > To: > rockets at rocketsnw.com > > To: > rockets at rocketsnw.com > > > I have a two part question about batteries for > altimeters (perfectflite MaWD): > > I read some where that you can stack 6 - SR44 silver > oxide batteries inside a heat shinkwrap tube to make a > lighter weight battery. > Is this possible, reasonable, or even recommended??? > > Second, would you trust your favorite rocket using a > group of "Thunderbolt Magnum" batteries from Harbor > Freight??? (They are on sale for 2 x $1 through > Sunday). > > Thanks, Lloyd (from Eugene) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1829 - Release Date: 12/4/2008 2:59 PM > > -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1829 - Release Date: 12/4/2008 2:59 PM From jhadv at pacifier.com Sat Dec 6 20:49:31 2008 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (jhadv at pacifier.com) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:49:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081.24.22.13.140.1228625371.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> "Tadiran batteries makes the TLM-1520HP, a 1/2 AA Lithium Organic cell, and the TLM-1530HP, a 2/3 AA Lithium Organic cell. The 1520HP is rated for a continuous discharge rate of 1.25A, with a pulse to 2A. If you can run your altimeter at 10.8V using three of these, it's a great (albeit PRICEY!) way to go." Wrong. Three in series goes to over 12 Amps draw through the FET and two do almost 10 Amps through the FET. And so then I resisted it down to protect the FET and got caught by the reduced battery draw at low temperature (39 degrees at the October launch) and a high Rds on through the FET. If you are going to use Tadiran use the HLC units (Hybrid Layer Capacitors) as they can be charged to match the weather and the max draw without resisting the output circuit. Problem there is you need a constant current power supply to charge the HLC units. If you charge them at over 25 mA they become a fire hazard. Like I said the FETS on the altimeters are generally under designed because they assume that everyone will be using a low power (heavy) battery like a Duracell 9 volt. So unless you have the equipment to do the tests (O Scope and Power supply) just use the Duracell 9 volts. From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sun Dec 7 00:31:45 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 00:31:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6860@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> References: <3c7d01c9559b$49baa3b0$dd2feb10$@com><1970.208.100.240.83.1228385255.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6860@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: <900a08f0190636ca721d56669fba5c5d.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> They kept the definitions clean and simple. Which is good. It's a good regulatory code. But I still love to point out little quirks that inevitably result from any set of definitions. Like the fact that your typical two-liter air/water pop bottle rocket used by science teachers across the country still qualifies as a class 2 rocket. None of which ever gets launched under waiver. ;-) A detail like that would send ATF into a rabid frenzy. The FAA simply says, in effect, "What rocket? We just see a pop bottle..." +McG+ > FYI, it was printed in the federal register on Thurs. Dec. 4 and will go > into effect Feb 2, 2009. > > To sum up: > > Class 1--Model Rockets: are now defined as anything using no more than > 125 g propellant and weighing no more than 1500 grams. They require no > notification or waivering. > > Class 2--High-Power Rockets: are now defined as any rocket other than a > class 1 rocket propelled by a motor or motors having a combined total > impulse of 40,960 N-sec or less (O impulse class). These require notice > and waivers. > > Class 3--Advanced High-Power Rockets: are now defined as any amateur > rocket other than a class 1 or 2. These also require notice and > waivers. > > Other: are now defined as any unmanned rocket that is not an amateur > rocket. > > [Source: Federal Register/Vol 73, No. 234, page 73774, published Dec. > 4, 2008.] > > There's a link on the NAR Electronic Rocketeer #6 that Trip Barber sent > out last night. > > Cheers, all! > > Peter Schurke > Teacher and Lead Advisor > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > Ingraham High School > Seattle, WA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brian Jarchow > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:52 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: [AR] Amateur Rocket Final Rule > > I just saw an article on an entirely unrelated subject that says a > revision of the guns in national parks law will be published in the > Federal Register NEXT WEEK. > > Hopefully we'll see this FAA rule published next week as well, then in > early February we will be able to enjoy the more relaxed rules. > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From sb at berfield.com Sun Dec 7 11:34:26 2008 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:34:26 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries In-Reply-To: <1081.24.22.13.140.1228625371.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> References: <1081.24.22.13.140.1228625371.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <003301c958a2$d145f960$73d1ec20$@com> At this point I nod politely and pretend I understand a word of that... :) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of jhadv at pacifier.com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:50 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries "Tadiran batteries makes the TLM-1520HP, a 1/2 AA Lithium Organic cell, and the TLM-1530HP, a 2/3 AA Lithium Organic cell. The 1520HP is rated for a continuous discharge rate of 1.25A, with a pulse to 2A. If you can run your altimeter at 10.8V using three of these, it's a great (albeit PRICEY!) way to go." Wrong. Three in series goes to over 12 Amps draw through the FET and two do almost 10 Amps through the FET. And so then I resisted it down to protect the FET and got caught by the reduced battery draw at low temperature (39 degrees at the October launch) and a high Rds on through the FET. If you are going to use Tadiran use the HLC units (Hybrid Layer Capacitors) as they can be charged to match the weather and the max draw without resisting the output circuit. Problem there is you need a constant current power supply to charge the HLC units. If you charge them at over 25 mA they become a fire hazard. Like I said the FETS on the altimeters are generally under designed because they assume that everyone will be using a low power (heavy) battery like a Duracell 9 volt. So unless you have the equipment to do the tests (O Scope and Power supply) just use the Duracell 9 volts. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From foreveryoung at inlandnet.com Sun Dec 7 13:03:58 2008 From: foreveryoung at inlandnet.com (Bryan Young) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:03:58 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries In-Reply-To: <003301c958a2$d145f960$73d1ec20$@com> References: <1081.24.22.13.140.1228625371.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> <003301c958a2$d145f960$73d1ec20$@com> Message-ID: <000501c958af$52f9e640$f8edb2c0$@com> These specs come right off of the Tadiran data sheet. I think he's saying that your altimeter may go poof when firing your e-match with these batteries unless you use an additional circuit. In cold temperatures, this circuit causes problems. Not sure what Rds means. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott Berfield Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 11:34 AM To: jhadv at pacifier.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries At this point I nod politely and pretend I understand a word of that... :) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of jhadv at pacifier.com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:50 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries "Tadiran batteries makes the TLM-1520HP, a 1/2 AA Lithium Organic cell, and the TLM-1530HP, a 2/3 AA Lithium Organic cell. The 1520HP is rated for a continuous discharge rate of 1.25A, with a pulse to 2A. If you can run your altimeter at 10.8V using three of these, it's a great (albeit PRICEY!) way to go." Wrong. Three in series goes to over 12 Amps draw through the FET and two do almost 10 Amps through the FET. And so then I resisted it down to protect the FET and got caught by the reduced battery draw at low temperature (39 degrees at the October launch) and a high Rds on through the FET. If you are going to use Tadiran use the HLC units (Hybrid Layer Capacitors) as they can be charged to match the weather and the max draw without resisting the output circuit. Problem there is you need a constant current power supply to charge the HLC units. If you charge them at over 25 mA they become a fire hazard. Like I said the FETS on the altimeters are generally under designed because they assume that everyone will be using a low power (heavy) battery like a Duracell 9 volt. So unless you have the equipment to do the tests (O Scope and Power supply) just use the Duracell 9 volts. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From dmrandall at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 13:29:57 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:29:57 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match Message-ID: <6bc920e40812071329h581ae779mf3ccab166fcf38e0@mail.gmail.com> I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - one for the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics themselves would be better served by a different type of battery. Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter functions only? PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V battery - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one battery with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2. -- - Dave From blakbird11 at comcast.net Sun Dec 7 13:35:00 2008 From: blakbird11 at comcast.net (Eric Albrecht) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:35:00 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40812071329h581ae779mf3ccab166fcf38e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bc920e40812071329h581ae779mf3ccab166fcf38e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A8A8467-DF06-49C6-836B-F6D702612963@comcast.net> I use a 2/3AA NiMH, 7-cell pack with my Perfectflite altimeter. It can deliver 30 amps for short bursts, and will easily run the altimeter all day. Plus it can be recharged almost indefinitely. Never had any problems. Weighs about the same as a 9V. Eric On Dec 7, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Dave Randall wrote: > I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - one for > the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put > duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed > sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the > relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if > there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that > alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but > I don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics > themselves would be better served by a different type of battery. > > Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter > functions only? > > PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V > battery - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one > battery with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2. > > -- > - Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From appusher at q.com Sun Dec 7 16:18:52 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:18:52 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] paging greg the web wookie Message-ID: give me a call or ping me off list EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me -------------- next part -------------- give me a call or ping me off list http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From absworld at cet.com Mon Dec 8 08:24:03 2008 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob and Ann Yanecek) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:24:03 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40812071329h581ae779mf3ccab166fcf38e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bc920e40812071329h581ae779mf3ccab166fcf38e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005d01c95951$638678f0$2a936ad0$@com> I don?t trust just voltage when checking batteries. Current seems to be a better measure of the charge status. My 'rule' is > 9VDC AND > 4amps. I have run across a couple units that still held 9 volts but had less than 2 amps of 'push' left in them. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:30 PM To: NW Rocketry mailing list Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - one for the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics themselves would be better served by a different type of battery. Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter functions only? PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V battery - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one battery with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2. -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM From fred.azinger at intel.com Mon Dec 8 08:41:11 2008 From: fred.azinger at intel.com (Azinger, Fred) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:41:11 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match Message-ID: Correct way to check is under load. Many battery chemistry's end of life is more a function of increasing output impeadance due to a buildup of a chemical isolation layer. ----- Original Message ----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' Sent: Mon Dec 08 08:24:03 2008 Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I don?t trust just voltage when checking batteries. Current seems to be a better measure of the charge status. My 'rule' is > 9VDC AND > 4amps. I have run across a couple units that still held 9 volts but had less than 2 amps of 'push' left in them. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:30 PM To: NW Rocketry mailing list Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - one for the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics themselves would be better served by a different type of battery. Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter functions only? PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V battery - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one battery with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2. -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Mon Dec 8 08:46:24 2008 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:46:24 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match References: Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6862@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Translation: New batteries = good...old batteries = bad? :-) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:41 AM To: 'absworld at cet.com'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com' Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match Correct way to check is under load. Many battery chemistry's end of life is more a function of increasing output impeadance due to a buildup of a chemical isolation layer. ----- Original Message ----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' Sent: Mon Dec 08 08:24:03 2008 Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I don't trust just voltage when checking batteries. Current seems to be a better measure of the charge status. My 'rule' is > 9VDC AND > 4amps. I have run across a couple units that still held 9 volts but had less than 2 amps of 'push' left in them. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:30 PM To: NW Rocketry mailing list Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - one for the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics themselves would be better served by a different type of battery. Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter functions only? PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V battery - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one battery with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2. -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From raystoner99 at comcast.net Mon Dec 8 09:29:25 2008 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (raystoner99 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6862@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: <355582587.1803581228757365691.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> NO! Tested battery = good....all other batteries = unknown Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Schurke" To: "Fred Azinger" , absworld at cet.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 8:46:24 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match Translation: New batteries = good...old batteries = bad? :-) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:41 AM To: 'absworld at cet.com'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com' Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match Correct way to check is under load. Many battery chemistry's end of life is more a function of increasing output impeadance due to a buildup of a chemical isolation layer. ----- Original Message ----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' Sent: Mon Dec 08 08:24:03 2008 Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I don't trust just voltage when checking batteries. Current seems to be a better measure of the charge status. My 'rule' is > 9VDC AND > 4amps. I have run across a couple units that still held 9 volts but had less than 2 amps of 'push' left in them. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:30 PM To: NW Rocketry mailing list Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - one for the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics themselves would be better served by a different type of battery. Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter functions only? PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V battery - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one battery with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2. -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- NO! Tested battery = good....all other batteries = unknown Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Schurke" To: "Fred Azinger" , absworld at cet.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 8:46:24 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match Translation: ?New batteries = good...old batteries = bad? ?:-) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:41 AM To: 'absworld at cet.com'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com' Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match Correct way to check is under load. Many battery chemistry's end of life is more a function of increasing output impeadance due to a buildup of a chemical isolation layer. ----- Original Message ----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' Sent: Mon Dec 08 08:24:03 2008 Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I don't trust just voltage when checking batteries. Current seems to be a better measure of the charge status. My 'rule' is > 9VDC AND > 4amps. I have run across a couple units that still held 9 volts but had less than 2 amps of 'push' left in them. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:30 PM To: NW Rocketry mailing list Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - one for the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. ? To date, I've put duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. ?I'm fine paying the relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. ? I get that alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics themselves would be better served by a different type of battery. Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter functions only? PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V battery - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one battery with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2. -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ?? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ?? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ?? _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ?? From jhadv at pacifier.com Mon Dec 8 09:42:08 2008 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:42:08 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Altimeter Batteries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20081208093422.00bd0c70@mail.iinet.com> "Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter functions only?" It depends on the minimum voltage requirement for the altimeter. If the altimeter will run off 2.4V then one of the regulated 3.4V, 70mAh LiPoly cells works great. If on the other hand the altimeter needs 5V to run then the only Li-Poly alternative is a 7.4V pack. Both are small, lightweight and can handle the G forces if properly mounted in a supporting housing. If Li-Poly batteries are mounted without sufficient support then really high G flights (and I mean high as in above 40G sustained acceleration) then the batteries deform. They keep working but the bulge at the bottom and have top be discarded after the flight. If they are properly housed however they seem to last a long time and are cheap and rechargeable. Although Li-Poly batteries do take a special charger because if you over volt them while charging they can catch fire and burn nice and hot. On an unrelated point a friend of mine sent me this and it is FUNNY. It takes a little while to load but is worth the wait. http://bewareofthedoghouse.com/videoPage.aspx From appusher at q.com Mon Dec 8 15:53:33 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:53:33 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6862@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> References: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6862@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: OK, Bobert. I'll bite. Being a wallboard artisan, how do you check amps on a 9v dc battery? Inquiring minds want to know. Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:46:24 -0800> From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org> To: fred.azinger at intel.com; absworld at cet.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > Translation: New batteries = good...old batteries = bad? :-) > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:41 AM> To: 'absworld at cet.com'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com'> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > Correct way to check is under load.> Many battery chemistry's end of life is more a function of increasing> output impeadance due to a buildup of a chemical isolation layer.> > ----- Original Message -----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' > Sent: Mon Dec 08 08:24:03 2008> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > I don't trust just voltage when checking batteries.> Current seems to be a better measure of the charge status.> > My 'rule' is > 9VDC AND > 4amps.> > I have run across a couple units that still held 9 volts but had less> than 2 amps of 'push' left in them.> > Bob Yanecek > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> On Behalf Of Dave Randall> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:30 PM> To: NW Rocketry mailing list> Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - one for> the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put> duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed> sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the> relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if> there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that> alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I> don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics> themselves would be better served by a different type of battery.> > Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter> functions only?> > PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V battery> - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one battery> with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2.> > --> - Dave> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is> believed to be clean.> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:> 12/6/2008> 4:55 PM> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:> 12/6/2008> 4:55 PM> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- OK, Bobert.? I'll bite.? Being? a wallboard artisan, how do you check amps on a 9v dc battery? ? Inquiring minds want to know. ? Bill http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:46:24 -0800 > From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org > To: fred.azinger at intel.com; absworld at cet.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match > > Translation: New batteries = good...old batteries = bad? :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:41 AM > To: 'absworld at cet.com'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com' > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match > > Correct way to check is under load. > Many battery chemistry's end of life is more a function of increasing > output impeadance due to a buildup of a chemical isolation layer. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' > Sent: Mon Dec 08 08:24:03 2008 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match > > I don't trust just voltage when checking batteries. > Current seems to be a better measure of the charge status. > > My 'rule' is > 9VDC AND > 4amps. > > I have run across a couple units that still held 9 volts but had less > than 2 amps of 'push' left in them. > > Bob Yanecek > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Dave Randall > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:30 PM > To: NW Rocketry mailing list > Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match > > I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - one for > the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put > duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed > sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the > relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if > there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that > alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I > don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics > themselves would be better served by a different type of battery. > > Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter > functions only? > > PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V battery > - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one battery > with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2. > > -- > - Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: > 12/6/2008 > 4:55 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: > 12/6/2008 > 4:55 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From scott at scottsrockets.com Mon Dec 8 16:43:03 2008 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:43:03 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match In-Reply-To: <355582587.1803581228757365691.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A104CD6862@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> <355582587.1803581228757365691.JavaMail.root@sz0124a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <967187184CEC4AECB1493AB132CE2B5F@Mobile2> Ray is right, it is rare but even Duracell ships dead batteries. Test, test and re-test everything when it comes to recovery. Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of raystoner99 at comcast.net Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:29 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match NO! Tested battery = good....all other batteries = unknown Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Schurke" To: "Fred Azinger" , absworld at cet.com, rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 8:46:24 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match Translation: New batteries = good...old batteries = bad? :-) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:41 AM To: 'absworld at cet.com'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com' Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match Correct way to check is under load. Many battery chemistry's end of life is more a function of increasing output impeadance due to a buildup of a chemical isolation layer. ----- Original Message ----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' Sent: Mon Dec 08 08:24:03 2008 Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I don't trust just voltage when checking batteries. Current seems to be a better measure of the charge status. My 'rule' is > 9VDC AND > 4amps. I have run across a couple units that still held 9 volts but had less than 2 amps of 'push' left in them. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:30 PM To: NW Rocketry mailing list Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - one for the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics themselves would be better served by a different type of battery. Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter functions only? PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V battery - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one battery with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2. -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From raystoner99 at comcast.net Mon Dec 8 17:13:36 2008 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:13:36 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll assume that you know how to test volts... To test current. Set your multimeter to measure the maximum current you can, this should be at least 10amps. Most of the time you'll be moving the positive lead to another hole in the multimeter. Then touch the leads to the battery posts for ONLY long enough to get the measurement. You don't want to leave the leads on too long, maybe 1-2 seconds. You are shorting the battery when you take this measurement, it will discharge quickly if you spend a long time getting the value. On a fresh warm 9V, I've seen up to around 8 amps...on a cold fresh 9V, you'll see 5-6 amps. I've used batteries down to three amps measured current with no failures (knock on wood) on a PerfectFlite MAWD. Of course, you mileage may vary. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Bill Munds Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:54 PM To: Peter Schurke; fred.azinger at intel.com; Bob and Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match OK, Bobert. I'll bite. Being a wallboard artisan, how do you check amps on a 9v dc battery? Inquiring minds want to know. Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:46:24 -0800> From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org> To: fred.azinger at intel.com; absworld at cet.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > Translation: New batteries = good...old batteries = bad? :-) > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:41 AM> To: 'absworld at cet.com'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com'> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > Correct way to check is under load.> Many battery chemistry's end of life is more a function of increasing> output impeadance due to a buildup of a chemical isolation layer.> > ----- Original Message -----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' > Sent: Mon Dec 08 08:24:03 2008> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > I don't trust just voltage when checking batteries.> Current seems to be a better measure of the charge status.> > My 'rule' is > 9VDC AND > 4amps.> > I have run across a couple units that still held 9 volts but had less> than 2 amps of 'push' left in them.> > Bob Yanecek > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> On Behalf Of Dave Randall> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:30 PM> To: NW Rocketry mailing list> Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - one for> the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put> duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed> sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the> relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if> there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that> alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I> don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics> themselves would be better served by a different type of battery.> > Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter> functions only?> > PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V battery> - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one battery> with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2.> > --> - Dave> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is> believed to be clean.> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:> 12/6/2008> 4:55 PM> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:> 12/6/2008> 4:55 PM> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> From dennys at carnitech.net Mon Dec 8 18:24:43 2008 From: dennys at carnitech.net (Denny Smith) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:24:43 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match References: Message-ID: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051027ECD1@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Just touch them to your tongue ladies. : ) Denny ________________________________ From: W. Raymond Stoner [mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net] Sent: Mon 12/8/2008 5:13 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I'll assume that you know how to test volts... To test current. Set your multimeter to measure the maximum current you can, this should be at least 10amps. Most of the time you'll be moving the positive lead to another hole in the multimeter. Then touch the leads to the battery posts for ONLY long enough to get the measurement. You don't want to leave the leads on too long, maybe 1-2 seconds. You are shorting the battery when you take this measurement, it will discharge quickly if you spend a long time getting the value. On a fresh warm 9V, I've seen up to around 8 amps...on a cold fresh 9V, you'll see 5-6 amps. I've used batteries down to three amps measured current with no failures (knock on wood) on a PerfectFlite MAWD. Of course, you mileage may vary. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Bill Munds Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:54 PM To: Peter Schurke; fred.azinger at intel.com; Bob and Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match OK, Bobert. I'll bite. Being a wallboard artisan, how do you check amps on a 9v dc battery? Inquiring minds want to know. Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:46:24 -0800> From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org> To: fred.azinger at intel.com; absworld at cet.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > Translation: New batteries = good...old batteries = bad? :-) > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:41 AM> To: 'absworld at cet.com'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com'> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > Correct way to check is under load.> Many battery chemistry's end of life is more a function of increasing> output impeadance due to a buildup of a chemical isolation layer.> > ----- Original Message -----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' > Sent: Mon Dec 08 08:24:03 2008> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > I don't trust just voltage when checking batteries.> Current seems to be a better measure of the charge status.> > My 'rule' is > 9VDC AND > 4amps.> > I have run across a couple units that still held 9 volts but had less> than 2 amps of 'push' left in them.> > Bob Yanecek > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> On Behalf Of Dave Randall> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:30 PM> To: NW Rocketry mailing list> Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - one for> the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put> duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed> sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the> relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if> there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that> alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I> don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics> themselves would be better served by a different type of battery.> > Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter> functions only?> > PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V battery> - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one battery> with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2.> > --> - Dave> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is> believed to be clean.> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:> 12/6/2008> 4:55 PM> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:> 12/6/2008> 4:55 PM> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match Just touch them to your tongue ladies. : ) ? Denny From: W. Raymond Stoner [mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net] Sent: Mon 12/8/2008 5:13 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I'll assume that you know how to test volts... To test current.? Set your multimeter to measure the maximum current you can, this should be at least 10amps.? Most of the time you'll be moving the positive lead to another hole in the multimeter.? Then touch the leads to the battery posts for ONLY long enough to get the measurement.? You don't want to leave the leads on too long, maybe 1-2 seconds.? You are shorting the battery when you take this measurement, it will discharge quickly if you spend a long time getting the value.? On a fresh warm 9V, I've seen up to around 8 amps...on a cold fresh 9V, you'll see 5-6 amps. I've used batteries down to three amps measured current with no failures (knock on wood) on a PerfectFlite MAWD. Of course, you mileage may vary. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [ mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ]On Behalf Of Bill Munds Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:54 PM To: Peter Schurke; fred.azinger at intel.com; Bob and Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match OK, Bobert.? I'll bite.? Being? a wallboard artisan, how do you check amps on a 9v dc battery? Inquiring minds want to know. Bill ?EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:46:24 -0800> From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org> To: fred.azinger at intel.com; absworld at cet.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > Translation: New batteries = good...old batteries = bad? :-) > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [ mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:41 AM> To: 'absworld at cet.com'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com'> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > Correct way to check is under load.> Many battery chemistry's end of life is more a function of increasing> output impeadance due to a buildup of a chemical isolation layer.> > ----- Original Message -----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' > Sent: Mon Dec 08 08:24:03 2008> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > I don't trust just voltage when checking batteries.> Current seems to be a better measure of the charge status.> > My 'rule' is > 9VDC AND > 4amps.> > I have run across a couple units that still held 9 volts but had less> than 2 amps of 'push' left in them.> > Bob Yanecek > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [ mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ]> On Behalf Of Dave Randall> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:30 PM> To: NW Rocketry mailing list> Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - one for> the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put> duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed> sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the> relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if> there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that> alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I> don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics> themselves would be better served by a different type of battery.> > Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter> functions only?> > PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V battery> - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one battery> with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2.> > --> - Dave> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is> believed to be clean.> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:> 12/6/2008> 4:55 PM> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:> 12/6/2008> 4:55 PM> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From scott at scottsrockets.com Mon Dec 8 19:13:36 2008 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:13:36 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match In-Reply-To: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051027ECD1@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> References: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051027ECD1@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Message-ID: That would explain a lot....... Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:25 PM To: W. Raymond Stoner; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match Just touch them to your tongue ladies. : ) Denny ________________________________ From: W. Raymond Stoner [mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net] Sent: Mon 12/8/2008 5:13 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I'll assume that you know how to test volts... To test current. Set your multimeter to measure the maximum current you can, this should be at least 10amps. Most of the time you'll be moving the positive lead to another hole in the multimeter. Then touch the leads to the battery posts for ONLY long enough to get the measurement. You don't want to leave the leads on too long, maybe 1-2 seconds. You are shorting the battery when you take this measurement, it will discharge quickly if you spend a long time getting the value. On a fresh warm 9V, I've seen up to around 8 amps...on a cold fresh 9V, you'll see 5-6 amps. I've used batteries down to three amps measured current with no failures (knock on wood) on a PerfectFlite MAWD. Of course, you mileage may vary. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Bill Munds Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:54 PM To: Peter Schurke; fred.azinger at intel.com; Bob and Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match OK, Bobert. I'll bite. Being a wallboard artisan, how do you check amps on a 9v dc battery? Inquiring minds want to know. Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:46:24 -0800> From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org> To: fred.azinger at intel.com; absworld at cet.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > Translation: New batteries = good...old batteries = bad? :-) > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:41 AM> To: 'absworld at cet.com'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com'> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > Correct way to check is under load.> Many battery chemistry's end of life is more a function of increasing> output impeadance due to a buildup of a chemical isolation layer.> > ----- Original Message -----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' > Sent: Mon Dec 08 08:24:03 2008> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > I don't trust just voltage when checking batteries.> Current seems to be a better measure of the charge status.> > My 'rule' is > 9VDC AND > 4amps.> > I have run across a couple units that still held 9 volts but had less> than 2 amps of 'push' left in them.> > Bob Yanecek > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> On Behalf Of Dave Randall> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:30 PM> To: NW Rocketry mailing list> Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - E-Match> > one for> the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put> for> duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed> sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the> relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if> there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that> alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I> don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics> themselves would be better served by a different type of battery.> > Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter> functions only?> > PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V battery> - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one battery> with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2.> > --> - Dave> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing Dave> list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and> dangerous content > by MailScanner, and is> believed to be clean.> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:> 12/6/2008> 4:55 PM> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:> 12/6/2008> 4:55 PM> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at blastzone.com Mon Dec 8 21:07:13 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:07:13 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match In-Reply-To: References: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051027ECD1@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Message-ID: <059901c959bb$ff6c3dd0$fe44b970$@com> What, that real men know how to test batteries? ;) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Scott T Bowers Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:14 PM To: 'Denny Smith'; 'W. Raymond Stoner'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match That would explain a lot....... Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Denny Smith Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:25 PM To: W. Raymond Stoner; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match Just touch them to your tongue ladies. : ) Denny ________________________________ From: W. Raymond Stoner [mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net] Sent: Mon 12/8/2008 5:13 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match I'll assume that you know how to test volts... To test current. Set your multimeter to measure the maximum current you can, this should be at least 10amps. Most of the time you'll be moving the positive lead to another hole in the multimeter. Then touch the leads to the battery posts for ONLY long enough to get the measurement. You don't want to leave the leads on too long, maybe 1-2 seconds. You are shorting the battery when you take this measurement, it will discharge quickly if you spend a long time getting the value. On a fresh warm 9V, I've seen up to around 8 amps...on a cold fresh 9V, you'll see 5-6 amps. I've used batteries down to three amps measured current with no failures (knock on wood) on a PerfectFlite MAWD. Of course, you mileage may vary. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Bill Munds Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:54 PM To: Peter Schurke; fred.azinger at intel.com; Bob and Ann Yanecek; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match OK, Bobert. I'll bite. Being a wallboard artisan, how do you check amps on a 9v dc battery? Inquiring minds want to know. Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:46:24 -0800> From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org> To: fred.azinger at intel.com; absworld at cet.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > Translation: New batteries = good...old batteries = bad? :-) > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Azinger, Fred> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:41 AM> To: 'absworld at cet.com'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com'> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > Correct way to check is under load.> Many battery chemistry's end of life is more a function of increasing> output impeadance due to a buildup of a chemical isolation layer.> > ----- Original Message -----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' > Sent: Mon Dec 08 08:24:03 2008> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > I don't trust just voltage when checking batteries.> Current seems to be a better measure of the charge status.> > My 'rule' is > 9VDC AND > 4amps.> > I have run across a couple units that still held 9 volts but had less> than 2 amps of 'push' left in them.> > Bob Yanecek > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> On Behalf Of Dave Randall> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:30 PM> To: NW Rocketry mailing list> Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - E-Match> > one for> the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put> for> duracells in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed> sufficient voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the> relatively low cost of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if> there are other alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that> alkalines are great for delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I> don't know if the drainage profile of the altimeter electronics> themselves would be better served by a different type of battery.> > Has anyone done any research on best batteries for the altimeter> functions only?> > PerfectFlite seems offer an option in alkaline with the A23 12V battery> - but their battery chart indicates a good 20 hour life of one battery> with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2.> > --> - Dave> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing Dave> list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and> dangerous content > by MailScanner, and is> believed to be clean.> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:> 12/6/2008> 4:55 PM> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:> 12/6/2008> 4:55 PM> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Mon Dec 8 21:21:57 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:21:57 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493E0075.4040207@earthlink.net> But how do you test them under load to ensure the battery is flight ready? Robert W. Raymond Stoner wrote: > I'll assume that you know how to test volts... > > To test current. Set your multimeter to measure the maximum current you > can, this should be at least 10amps. Most of the time you'll be moving the > positive lead to another hole in the multimeter. Then touch the leads to > the battery posts for ONLY long enough to get the measurement. You don't > want to leave the leads on too long, maybe 1-2 seconds. You are shorting > the battery when you take this measurement, it will discharge quickly if you > spend a long time getting the value. On a fresh warm 9V, I've seen up to > around 8 amps...on a cold fresh 9V, you'll see 5-6 amps. > > I've used batteries down to three amps measured current with no failures > (knock on wood) on a PerfectFlite MAWD. > > Of course, you mileage may vary. > > Ray > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Tue Dec 9 03:11:48 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:11:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match In-Reply-To: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051027ECD1@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> References: <4205BDBDE57C6F4B8293E876BE20051027ECD1@ctusone.Carnitechus.local> Message-ID: <73f28b2d7dfb1a2a7999fedfcbcb047d.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> And for 9v batteries, the number of miles away they hear the scream equals the dead short amperage! Dokker, I need a thung replashment... Yeah, I remember that trick from elementary school. The trickster makes sure his tongue is good and dry and makes a very brief contact: "See, it doesn't hurt!" Then the victim jambs the terminals to his nice, wet tongue... And people wonder why some kids bring guns to school. ;-) +McG+ > Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match > Just touch them to your tongue ladies. : ) > ? > Denny > From: > W. Raymond Stoner [mailto:raystoner99 at comcast.net] > Sent: > Mon 12/8/2008 5:13 PM > To: > rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: > Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match > I'll assume that you know how to test volts... > To test current.? Set your multimeter to measure the maximum current you > can, this should be at least 10amps.? Most of the time you'll be moving > the > positive lead to another hole in the multimeter.? Then touch the leads to > the battery posts for ONLY long enough to get the measurement.? You don't > want to leave the leads on too long, maybe 1-2 seconds.? You are shorting > the battery when you take this measurement, it will discharge quickly if > you > spend a long time getting the value.? On a fresh warm 9V, I've seen up to > around 8 amps...on a cold fresh 9V, you'll see 5-6 amps. > I've used batteries down to three amps measured current with no failures > (knock on wood) on a PerfectFlite MAWD. > Of course, you mileage may vary. > Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [ mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > ]On Behalf Of Bill Munds > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:54 PM > To: Peter Schurke; fred.azinger at intel.com; Bob and Ann Yanecek; > rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match > OK, Bobert.? I'll bite.? Being? a wallboard artisan, how do you check amps > on a 9v dc battery? > Inquiring minds want to know. > Bill > ?EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:46:24 > -0800> > From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org> To: fred.azinger at intel.com; > absworld at cet.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] > Batteries > for Altimeter vs E-Match> > Translation: New batteries = good...old > batteries = bad? :-) > > -----Original Message-----> From: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [ mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > ] On > Behalf Of Azinger, Fred> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:41 AM> To: > 'absworld at cet.com'; 'rockets at rocketsnw.com'> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] > Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > Correct way to check is under load.> > Many battery chemistry's end of life is more a function of increasing> > output impeadance due to a buildup of a chemical isolation layer.> > ----- > Original Message -----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' > > Sent: Mon Dec 08 08:24:03 2008> Subject: Re: > [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match> > I don't trust just > voltage > when checking batteries.> Current seems to be a better measure of the > charge > status.> > My 'rule' is > 9VDC AND > 4amps.> > I have run across a couple > units that still held 9 volts but had less> than 2 amps of 'push' left in > them.> > Bob Yanecek > > -----Original Message-----> From: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> [ mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > ]> On > Behalf Of Dave Randall> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:30 PM> To: NW > Rocketry mailing list> Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs > E-Match> > I have a couple of altimeters that support dual batteries - one > for> the altimeter, one for the pyro channels. To date, I've put> > duracells > in and only on rare occasion, re-used a battery that showed> sufficient > voltage via the altimeter software. I'm fine paying the> relatively low > cost > of new batteries for each flight, but I wonder if> there are other > alternatives for the altimeter battery. I get that> alkalines are great > for > delivering the amps needed for e-matches, but I> don't know if the > drainage > profile of the altimeter electronics> themselves would be better served by > a > different type of battery.> > Has anyone done any research on best > batteries > for the altimeter> functions only?> > PerfectFlite seems offer an option > in > alkaline with the A23 12V battery> - but their battery chart indicates a > good 20 hour life of one battery> with their new MiniAlt15K Rev2.> > --> - > Dave> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing > list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > >> -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and> dangerous content by > MailScanner, and is> believed to be clean.> > No virus found in this > incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: > 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:> 12/6/2008> 4:55 PM> > > No virus found in > this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus > Database: > 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:> 12/6/2008> 4:55 PM> > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > ? > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From raystoner99 at comcast.net Tue Dec 9 06:59:40 2008 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:59:40 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match In-Reply-To: <493E0075.4040207@earthlink.net> Message-ID: The multimeter is the load. When you measure current there is a very low resistance applied to the circuit. Normally, you would open the circuit and insert the ammeter in series with the load. The ammeter is basically a low value resistor that is then measured for voltage drop, that voltage drop is then converted into current for display on the LCD. When you set the ammeter for the highest reading, you have the lowest resistance internally. Lower current settings on the ammeter have a higher resistance. When you place the leads of the ammeter across the terminals of the battery, you are placing a low value resistor across the battery. This presents a tremendous load on the battery, likely less than the internal resistance of the battery itself. A simple description of an ammeter is here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammeter So, in short, you are loading the battery, significantly so. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:22 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match But how do you test them under load to ensure the battery is flight ready? Robert W. Raymond Stoner wrote: > I'll assume that you know how to test volts... > > To test current. Set your multimeter to measure the maximum current you > can, this should be at least 10amps. Most of the time you'll be moving the > positive lead to another hole in the multimeter. Then touch the leads to > the battery posts for ONLY long enough to get the measurement. You don't > want to leave the leads on too long, maybe 1-2 seconds. You are shorting > the battery when you take this measurement, it will discharge quickly if you > spend a long time getting the value. On a fresh warm 9V, I've seen up to > around 8 amps...on a cold fresh 9V, you'll see 5-6 amps. > > I've used batteries down to three amps measured current with no failures > (knock on wood) on a PerfectFlite MAWD. > > Of course, you mileage may vary. > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Tue Dec 9 07:59:51 2008 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:59:51 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493E95F7.5080604@hawkfeather.com> Note that a lot of smaller/cheaper multimeters don't have a 10 amp scale. Not enough room or too expensive for a beefy resistor. And those that do usually will have a fuse - sometimes onboard - to protect the multimeter. Andrew. W. Raymond Stoner wrote: > The multimeter is the load. When you measure current there is a very low > resistance applied to the circuit. Normally, you would open the circuit and > insert the ammeter in series with the load. The ammeter is basically a low > value resistor that is then measured for voltage drop, that voltage drop is > then converted into current for display on the LCD. When you set the > ammeter for the highest reading, you have the lowest resistance internally. > Lower current settings on the ammeter have a higher resistance. > > When you place the leads of the ammeter across the terminals of the battery, > you are placing a low value resistor across the battery. This presents a > tremendous load on the battery, likely less than the internal resistance of > the battery itself. > > A simple description of an ammeter is here; > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammeter > > So, in short, you are loading the battery, significantly so. > > Ray > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Hammer > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:22 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match > > > But how do you test them under load to ensure the battery is flight ready? > > Robert > > W. Raymond Stoner wrote: >> I'll assume that you know how to test volts... >> >> To test current. Set your multimeter to measure the maximum current you >> can, this should be at least 10amps. Most of the time you'll be moving > the >> positive lead to another hole in the multimeter. Then touch the leads to >> the battery posts for ONLY long enough to get the measurement. You don't >> want to leave the leads on too long, maybe 1-2 seconds. You are shorting >> the battery when you take this measurement, it will discharge quickly if > you >> spend a long time getting the value. On a fresh warm 9V, I've seen up to >> around 8 amps...on a cold fresh 9V, you'll see 5-6 amps. >> >> I've used batteries down to three amps measured current with no failures >> (knock on wood) on a PerfectFlite MAWD. >> >> Of course, you mileage may vary. >> >> Ray >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 08:00:44 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:00:44 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA faces Ares rocket fuel change Message-ID: <493E962C.4050807@earthlink.net> http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/12/05/319820/nasa-faces-ares-rocket-fuel-change.html NASA faces Ares rocket fuel change by Rob Coppinger The first stage of NASA's Ares I crew launch vehicle is facing further change as the agency has decided to study a different solid propellant oxidizer in response to US Environmental Protection Agency concerns over perchlorate in drinking water. Originally to be a Space Shuttle solid rocket booster motor, this CLV first stage has already had its propellant - with polybutadiene acrylonitrile for the fuel and ammonium perchlorate for the oxidizer - changed once to alter its burn rate. Glenn Research Center says: "The research is investigating [the] replacement of ammonium perchlorate in future solid rocket boosters. Since the Space Shuttle is to be retired, the research would apply to only new space launch vehicles." From greg at blastzone.com Tue Dec 9 09:17:27 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:17:27 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA faces Ares rocket fuel change In-Reply-To: <493E962C.4050807@earthlink.net> References: <493E962C.4050807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <06c001c95a22$02d5e550$0881aff0$@com> Sounds just dandy, for $1000's per pound... From what I can find online, there are currently no 'economical' means to produce this oxidizer. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:01 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA faces Ares rocket fuel change http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/12/05/319820/nasa-faces-ares-rocke t-fuel-change.html NASA faces Ares rocket fuel change by Rob Coppinger The first stage of NASA's Ares I crew launch vehicle is facing further change as the agency has decided to study a different solid propellant oxidizer in response to US Environmental Protection Agency concerns over perchlorate in drinking water. Originally to be a Space Shuttle solid rocket booster motor, this CLV first stage has already had its propellant - with polybutadiene acrylonitrile for the fuel and ammonium perchlorate for the oxidizer - changed once to alter its burn rate. Glenn Research Center says: "The research is investigating [the] replacement of ammonium perchlorate in future solid rocket boosters. Since the Space Shuttle is to be retired, the research would apply to only new space launch vehicles." _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From scott at scottsrockets.com Tue Dec 9 09:23:51 2008 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:23:51 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] [TRA] FW: NASA faces Ares rocket fuel change In-Reply-To: <06bf01c95a21$db56a8c0$9203fa40$@com> References: <06ba01c95a21$1f3de360$5db9aa20$@com> <06bf01c95a21$db56a8c0$9203fa40$@com> Message-ID: <246AD9FB79B441F492038CA55EC99AAB@Mobile2> May come down when there is a larger demand. H4-N4-O4 so you would get water and nitrogen as a by product? couple of oxygen left over. Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 9:16 AM To: 'Tripoli Members Forum' Subject: Re: [TRA] FW: [RocketsNW] NASA faces Ares rocket fuel change Oh, nice, $1000's per pound, yeah, that'll fly.... (no pun intended) -----Original Message----- From: Greg Deputy [mailto:greg at blastzone.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 9:11 AM To: 'Tripoli Members Forum' Subject: [TRA] FW: [RocketsNW] NASA faces Ares rocket fuel change Uh....what? Anyone know anything about ammonium dinitramide? -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:01 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA faces Ares rocket fuel change http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/12/05/319820/nasa-faces-ares-rocke t-fuel-change.html NASA faces Ares rocket fuel change by Rob Coppinger The first stage of NASA's Ares I crew launch vehicle is facing further change as the agency has decided to study a different solid propellant oxidizer in response to US Environmental Protection Agency concerns over perchlorate in drinking water. Originally to be a Space Shuttle solid rocket booster motor, this CLV first stage has already had its propellant - with polybutadiene acrylonitrile for the fuel and ammonium perchlorate for the oxidizer - changed once to alter its burn rate. Glenn Research Center says: "The research is investigating [the] replacement of ammonium perchlorate in future solid rocket boosters. Since the Space Shuttle is to be retired, the research would apply to only new space launch vehicles." _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Messages posted to this list are confidential and shall not be posted or published on other forums, mail lists, web sites or other information services without prior written permission of the author. (C) 2002-08 by Tripoli Rocketry Association. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Messages posted to this list are confidential and shall not be posted or published on other forums, mail lists, web sites or other information services without prior written permission of the author. (C) 2002-08 by Tripoli Rocketry Association. From greg at blastzone.com Tue Dec 9 10:28:58 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:28:58 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: Latino Achievers Club and rocketry Message-ID: <070401c95a2c$0078afe0$016a0fa0$@com> FYI. From: Carvajal, Guillermo [mailto:gcarvajal at seattleschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:18 AM To: greg at blastzone.com Subject: FW: Latino Achievers Club and rocketry I was trying to email the UW rocketry folks but email address bad. Thanks for any tangible leads or support your organization can give me around this effort. Guillermo C. _____ From: Carvajal, Guillermo Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:14 AM To: 'rocketry at u.washington.edu' Subject: Latino Achievers Club and rocketry Good morning, I work for the Seattle Public School District and currently working with 3rd thru 5th grade Latino boys. My goal is to enhance their social and academic development by bringing workshops and activities that may inspire them. The model is composed of 3 parts: Social Development workshops such as emergency prepareness, public speaking, first aid, and others Mentoring: bringing dads and community members to facilitate workshops and speak to them about careers. Academic based activities such as robotics and rockets. I would like someone to come and work with my kids on actual model rockets. I don't have funds to pay so any support would be in-kind. I would work with the parents to purchase rockets for the kids once they have been well instructed on how to use them. I want to bring exciting projects that perhaps will inspire them to like math and science. Please let me know if one of you would be interested in working with me on this. We will work with your schedule. This project is in three schools and only 10 boys per school. With much respect and appreciation, Guillermo Carvajal, Latino Boys Coordinator Seattle Public Schools My work cell: 206-396-2664 -------------- next part -------------- FYI??? ? From: Carvajal, Guillermo [mailto:gcarvajal at seattleschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:18 AM To: greg at blastzone.com Subject: FW: Latino Achievers Club and rocketry ? I was trying to email the UW rocketry folks but email address bad. ? Thanks for any tangible leads or support your organization can give me around this effort. ? Guillermo C. ? From: Carvajal, Guillermo Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:14 AM To: 'rocketry at u.washington.edu' Subject: Latino Achievers Club and rocketry ? Good morning, ? I work for the Seattle Public School District and currently working with 3 rd thru 5 th grade Latino boys. ? My goal is to enhance their social and academic development by bringing workshops and activities that may inspire them. ? The model is composed of 3 parts: ? Social Development workshops such as emergency prepareness, public speaking, first aid, and others ? Mentoring : bringing dads and community members to facilitate workshops and speak to them about careers. ? Academic based activities such as robotics and rockets. ? I would like someone to come and work with my kids on actual model rockets. I don???t have funds to pay so any support would be in-kind. ? I would work with the parents to purchase rockets for the kids once they have been well instructed on how to use them. ? I want to bring exciting projects that perhaps will inspire them to like math and science. ? Please let me know if one of you would be interested in working with me on this. ?We will work with your schedule. ? This project is in three schools and only 10 boys per school. ? With much respect and appreciation, ? Guillermo Carvajal, Latino Boys Coordinator Seattle Public Schools ? 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My goal is to enhance their social and academic development by bringing workshops and activities that may inspire them. The model is composed of 3 parts: Social Development workshops such as emergency prepareness, public speaking, first aid, and others Mentoring: bringing dads and community members to facilitate workshops and speak to them about careers. Academic based activities such as robotics and rockets. I would like someone to come and work with my kids on actual model rockets. I don't have funds to pay so any support would be in-kind. I would work with the parents to purchase rockets for the kids once they have been well instructed on how to use them. I want to bring exciting projects that perhaps will inspire them to like math and science. Please let me know if one of you would be interested in working with me on this. We will work with your schedule. This project is in three schools and only 10 boys per school. 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I don???t have funds to pay so any support would be in-kind. ? I would work with the parents to purchase rockets for the kids once they have been well instructed on how to use them. ? I want to bring exciting projects that perhaps will inspire them to like math and science. ? Please let me know if one of you would be interested in working with me on this. ?We will work with your schedule. ? This project is in three schools and only 10 boys per school. ? With much respect and appreciation, ? Guillermo Carvajal, Latino Boys Coordinator Seattle Public Schools ? My work cell: 206-396-2664 ? ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: achievers1.doc Type: application/msword Size: 33280 bytes Desc: achievers1.doc Url : http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20081209/ecb14965/attachment-0001.doc From bigrockets at verizon.net Tue Dec 9 13:20:41 2008 From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:20:41 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP Message-ID: <002501c95a43$fe141f10$fa3c5d30$@net> My LEUP expired before I could renew it this year due to catching some upper respiratory bug from hell and keeping me down for two weeks. After I found out that I was still upright and alive I went down to the Sheriff's department and got finger printed, the Sandy Police had a one month waiting list! To make a long story short I went ahead and sent everything in anyway with my fingers crossed. I got a call from the local BATF office and Chuck Spaulding was on the other end wondering what had happened to me and my LEUP renewal. When I explained to him what had happened and that I had sent everything in he was apologetic and told me he didn't think they would renew it because I was reapplying for a renewal after it had expired. I got a letter from the BATF about two weeks later telling me that my LEUP would indeed be here but was being delayed a bit. They told me to use this letter as a reference. I also noticed that the BATF had cashed my check too. Today at my mail box was my new LEUP! Tony S. had to come up and reinspect it after I relocated it from Sherwood to my shop. He wrote some letters to some people for me concerning a variance and I sent a letter to this other guy telling him what was going on , and everything finally came together. This is just my own opinion based on how the BATF has worked with me. I have nothing but praise for both Tony and Chuck, they've always been most helpful, polite and easy to deal with. I wish all governmental agencies were this easy and nice. The other day I was at the Sandy DMV. Of course there were 8 people in numerical order in front of me and one guy at the counter who was on the phone enjoying a conversation with someone he didn't know, and not helping anyone of the 8 people in front of me. I guess everyone else that works a window there was out to lunch, wondering around in the parking lot or somewhere other than DMV. I'd rather have root canal work done with no Novocain than go to the DMV for anything. I usually renew all my vehicles by mail. I tried to renew one of my vehicles on line and that didn't work due to some snafu with DEQ boundary. So cudo's to our local BATF office for doing their jobs in a superlative way, I at least appreciate the way they have worked with me. Dave Proffitt -------------- next part -------------- My LEUP expired before I could renew it this year due to catching some upper respiratory bug from hell and keeping me down for two weeks. After I found out that I was still upright and alive I went down to the Sheriff???s department and got finger printed, the Sandy Police had a one month waiting list! To make a long story short I went ahead and sent everything in anyway with my fingers crossed. I got a call from the local BATF office and Chuck Spaulding was on the other end wondering what had happened to me and my LEUP renewal. When I explained to him what had happened and that I had sent everything in he was apologetic and told me he didn???t think they would renew it because I was reapplying for a renewal after it had expired. I got a letter from the BATF about two weeks later telling me that my LEUP would indeed be here but was being delayed a bit. They told me to use this letter as a reference. I also noticed that the BATF had cashed my check too. Today at my mail box was my new LEUP! Tony S. had to come up and reinspect it after I relocated it from Sherwood to my shop. He wrote some letters to some people for me concerning a variance and I sent a letter to this other guy telling him what was going on , and everything finally came together. This is just my own opinion based on how the BATF has worked with me. I have nothing but praise for both Tony and Chuck, they???ve always been most helpful, polite and easy to deal with. I wish all governmental agencies were this easy and nice. The other day I was at the Sandy DMV. Of course there were 8 people in numerical order in front of me and one guy at the counter who was on the phone enjoying a conversation with someone he didn???t know, and not helping anyone of the 8 people in front of me. I guess everyone else that works a window there was out to lunch, wondering around in the parking lot or somewhere other than DMV. I???d rather have root canal work done with no Novocain than go to the DMV for anything. I usually renew all my vehicles by mail. I tried to renew one of my vehicles on line and that didn???t work due to some snafu with DEQ boundary. So cudo???s to our local BATF office for doing their jobs in a superlative way, I at least appreciate the way they have worked with me. Dave Proffitt From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Tue Dec 9 14:23:24 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:23:24 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Few Photos from Oct Mansfield Launch Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D06D7FD@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> http://rockets.wrightholdings.com/html/MansfieldOct2008-Launch.htm Not much but some nice shots by Allyne of my semi-successful 2-stage attempt. Cheers! brad -------------- next part -------------- http://rockets.wrightholdings.com/html/MansfieldOct2008-Launch.htm http://rockets.wrightholdings.com/html/MansfieldOct2008-Launch.htm ? Not much but some nice shots by Allyne of my semi-successful 2-stage attempt. ? Cheers! brad From stefan_jones at comcast.net Tue Dec 9 20:21:59 2008 From: stefan_jones at comcast.net (stefan_jones at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:21:59 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: Latino Achievers Club and rocketry Message-ID: <121020080421.18814.493F43E7000B77F10000497E22007503309C0A020106A1020E000A9B9C@comcast.net> If anyone is into making donations, note that Semroc and others often have big sales at this time of year. And Michael's craft stores often put 50% coupons in their Sunday circulars. Enough people pitching in a starter set or simple kit and this fellow could have enough materials for a pilot project. -- http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Greg Deputy" > FYI. > > > > From: Carvajal, Guillermo [mailto:gcarvajal at seattleschools.org] > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:18 AM > To: greg at blastzone.com > Subject: FW: Latino Achievers Club and rocketry > > > > I was trying to email the UW rocketry folks but email address bad. > > > > Thanks for any tangible leads or support your organization can give me > around this effort. > > > > Guillermo C. > > > > _____ > > From: Carvajal, Guillermo > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:14 AM > To: 'rocketry at u.washington.edu' > Subject: Latino Achievers Club and rocketry > > > > Good morning, > > > > I work for the Seattle Public School District and currently working with 3rd > thru 5th grade Latino boys. > > > > My goal is to enhance their social and academic development by bringing > workshops and activities that may inspire them. > > > > The model is composed of 3 parts: > > > > Social Development workshops such as emergency prepareness, public speaking, > first aid, and others > > > > Mentoring: bringing dads and community members to facilitate workshops and > speak to them about careers. > > > > Academic based activities such as robotics and rockets. > > > > I would like someone to come and work with my kids on actual model rockets. > I don't have funds to pay so any support would be in-kind. > > > > I would work with the parents to purchase rockets for the kids once they > have been well instructed on how to use them. > > > > I want to bring exciting projects that perhaps will inspire them to like > math and science. > > > > Please let me know if one of you would be interested in working with me on > this. We will work with your schedule. > > > > This project is in three schools and only 10 boys per school. > > > > With much respect and appreciation, > > > > Guillermo Carvajal, Latino Boys Coordinator > > Seattle Public Schools > > > > My work cell: 206-396-2664 > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Greg Deputy" Subject: [RocketsNW] FW: Latino Achievers Club and rocketry Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:30:40 +0000 Size: 50010 Url: http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20081210/f97bbcc7/attachment-0001.eml From donbrendarott at msn.com Tue Dec 9 20:35:31 2008 From: donbrendarott at msn.com (Donald and Brenda Harris) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:35:31 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP In-Reply-To: <002501c95a43$fe141f10$fa3c5d30$@net> References: <002501c95a43$fe141f10$fa3c5d30$@net> Message-ID: Chuck did my first inspection, nice guy. Glad to here your ok Dave. Purhaps we'll see you at a launch. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Proffitt" To: "OROC List" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP > My LEUP expired before I could renew it this year due to catching some > upper > respiratory bug from hell and keeping me down for two weeks. After I found > out that I was still upright and alive I went down to the Sheriff's > department and got finger printed, the Sandy Police had a one month > waiting > list! To make a long story short I went ahead and sent everything in > anyway > with my fingers crossed. > > I got a call from the local BATF office and Chuck Spaulding was on the > other > end wondering what had happened to me and my LEUP renewal. When I > explained > to him what had happened and that I had sent everything in he was > apologetic > and told me he didn't think they would renew it because I was reapplying > for > a renewal after it had expired. > > I got a letter from the BATF about two weeks later telling me that my LEUP > would indeed be here but was being delayed a bit. They told me to use this > letter as a reference. I also noticed that the BATF had cashed my check > too. > Today at my mail box was my new LEUP! > > Tony S. had to come up and reinspect it after I relocated it from Sherwood > to my shop. He wrote some letters to some people for me concerning a > variance and I sent a letter to this other guy telling him what was going > on > , and everything finally came together. > > This is just my own opinion based on how the BATF has worked with me. I > have > nothing but praise for both Tony and Chuck, they've always been most > helpful, polite and easy to deal with. I wish all governmental agencies > were > this easy and nice. The other day I was at the Sandy DMV. Of course there > were 8 people in numerical order in front of me and one guy at the counter > who was on the phone enjoying a conversation with someone he didn't know, > and not helping anyone of the 8 people in front of me. I guess everyone > else > that works a window there was out to lunch, wondering around in the > parking > lot or somewhere other than DMV. I'd rather have root canal work done > with > no Novocain than go to the DMV for anything. I usually renew all my > vehicles > by mail. I tried to renew one of my vehicles on line and that didn't work > due to some snafu with DEQ boundary. So cudo's to our local BATF office > for doing their jobs in a superlative way, I at least appreciate the way > they have worked with me. > > Dave Proffitt > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Tue Dec 9 20:38:09 2008 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (Steve Cutonilli) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:38:09 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c95a81$1b042fb0$c801a8c0@steve> Ray - sanity check here. Assume a 70mA/hour Alkaline - at 9-amps test for 1-second the battery will deplete almost 50%, wouldn't it? A healthy battery stays healthy if tested for 9-volts at 100mA is my line of thinking. Maybe I'm wrong. /Steve -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of W. Raymond Stoner Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:00 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match The multimeter is the load. When you measure current there is a very low resistance applied to the circuit. Normally, you would open the circuit and insert the ammeter in series with the load. The ammeter is basically a low value resistor that is then measured for voltage drop, that voltage drop is then converted into current for display on the LCD. When you set the ammeter for the highest reading, you have the lowest resistance internally. Lower current settings on the ammeter have a higher resistance. When you place the leads of the ammeter across the terminals of the battery, you are placing a low value resistor across the battery. This presents a tremendous load on the battery, likely less than the internal resistance of the battery itself. A simple description of an ammeter is here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammeter So, in short, you are loading the battery, significantly so. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:22 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match But how do you test them under load to ensure the battery is flight ready? Robert W. Raymond Stoner wrote: > I'll assume that you know how to test volts... > > To test current. Set your multimeter to measure the maximum current you > can, this should be at least 10amps. Most of the time you'll be moving the > positive lead to another hole in the multimeter. Then touch the leads to > the battery posts for ONLY long enough to get the measurement. You don't > want to leave the leads on too long, maybe 1-2 seconds. You are shorting > the battery when you take this measurement, it will discharge quickly if you > spend a long time getting the value. On a fresh warm 9V, I've seen up to > around 8 amps...on a cold fresh 9V, you'll see 5-6 amps. > > I've used batteries down to three amps measured current with no failures > (knock on wood) on a PerfectFlite MAWD. > > Of course, you mileage may vary. > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From raystoner99 at comcast.net Tue Dec 9 21:19:53 2008 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:19:53 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match In-Reply-To: <000001c95a81$1b042fb0$c801a8c0@steve> Message-ID: Steve, A 70 mAh battery 0.63 watt/hours of energy...or 2268 watt/seconds of energy. 9 amps discharge for 1 second on a 9V battery is 81 watt/seconds, about 3.6% of its total power. There is validity in measuring with a reduced load as you suggest. I think I would be more comfortable with a battery that was tested at the load it is expected to deliver, or the minimum all-fire current of the e-match it is intended to fire. Of course, the capacitors found on many altimeters reduce the demand for peak current from the battery...so they may not have to deliver the total firing current to the e-match. There as many ways to test a battery as there are battery testers. I've grown to trust Bob's method of testing, and have adopted (stolen) it. I could be totally off base, but I've never had a battery fail to deploy my rocket (knock over and over on wood). Ray -----Original Message----- From: Steve Cutonilli [mailto:steve-c at ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:38 PM To: 'W. Raymond Stoner'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match Ray - sanity check here. Assume a 70mA/hour Alkaline - at 9-amps test for 1-second the battery will deplete almost 50%, wouldn't it? A healthy battery stays healthy if tested for 9-volts at 100mA is my line of thinking. Maybe I'm wrong. /Steve -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of W. Raymond Stoner Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:00 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match The multimeter is the load. When you measure current there is a very low resistance applied to the circuit. Normally, you would open the circuit and insert the ammeter in series with the load. The ammeter is basically a low value resistor that is then measured for voltage drop, that voltage drop is then converted into current for display on the LCD. When you set the ammeter for the highest reading, you have the lowest resistance internally. Lower current settings on the ammeter have a higher resistance. When you place the leads of the ammeter across the terminals of the battery, you are placing a low value resistor across the battery. This presents a tremendous load on the battery, likely less than the internal resistance of the battery itself. A simple description of an ammeter is here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammeter So, in short, you are loading the battery, significantly so. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:22 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Batteries for Altimeter vs E-Match But how do you test them under load to ensure the battery is flight ready? Robert W. Raymond Stoner wrote: > I'll assume that you know how to test volts... > > To test current. Set your multimeter to measure the maximum current you > can, this should be at least 10amps. Most of the time you'll be moving the > positive lead to another hole in the multimeter. Then touch the leads to > the battery posts for ONLY long enough to get the measurement. You don't > want to leave the leads on too long, maybe 1-2 seconds. You are shorting > the battery when you take this measurement, it will discharge quickly if you > spend a long time getting the value. On a fresh warm 9V, I've seen up to > around 8 amps...on a cold fresh 9V, you'll see 5-6 amps. > > I've used batteries down to three amps measured current with no failures > (knock on wood) on a PerfectFlite MAWD. > > Of course, you mileage may vary. > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Wed Dec 10 00:55:21 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:55:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] NASA faces Ares rocket fuel change In-Reply-To: <493E962C.4050807@earthlink.net> References: <493E962C.4050807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <14fdf8ba09e34e523fcbf98244c1f031.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Oh ya, switch from a propellant with massive usage history and research behind it and bet the farm on something with a minimal history of usage and limited knowledge base. Then when the failures and casualties start piling up declare spaceflight too risky and become an also-was in space. Foam insulation problems increased dramatically after enviro-extremists forced NASA to switch to a different degreaser. That cost us one shuttle. You *do* see Russians making frequent trips to orbit on low cost rockets. You *don't* see them stuffing cosmonauts on top of ADN firecrackers. And they invented the stuff. Hmmm...... First, rack up several decades of experience with ADN in military missiles and unmanned launchers. THEN consider using it in man-rated vehicles. But I digress. The economic and social collapse will make it all moot unless Obama is a hell of a lot smarter than even his most ardent supporters think. +McG+ (O land of US, 'tis such delight,) (a land of milk and honey,) (no need to lock your doors at night,) (the Wall Street crooks have all the money!) > http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/12/05/319820/nasa-faces-ares-rocket-fuel-change.html > > NASA faces Ares rocket fuel change > > by Rob Coppinger > > The first stage of NASA's Ares I crew launch vehicle is facing further > change as the agency has decided to study a different solid propellant > oxidizer in response to US Environmental Protection Agency concerns over > perchlorate in drinking water. > > Originally to be a Space Shuttle solid rocket booster motor, this CLV > first stage has already had its propellant - with polybutadiene > acrylonitrile for the fuel and ammonium perchlorate for the oxidizer - > changed once to alter its burn rate. > > Glenn Research Center says: "The research is investigating [the] > replacement of ammonium perchlorate in future solid rocket boosters. > Since the Space Shuttle is to be retired, the research would apply to > only new space launch vehicles." > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Wed Dec 10 01:08:59 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:08:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] LEUP In-Reply-To: <002501c95a43$fe141f10$fa3c5d30$@net> References: <002501c95a43$fe141f10$fa3c5d30$@net> Message-ID: I'll take this opportunity to post my standard position statement: My dealings with ATF field agents have been positive as has been the case for most everybody in these parts. When I bash ATF, as I so often do, this is criticism of ATF HQ where the political appointees and top level career bureaucrats just can't seem to pull their heads out. +McG+ > My LEUP expired before I could renew it this year due to catching some > upper respiratory bug from hell and keeping me down for two weeks. After I > found out that I was still upright and alive I went down to the > Sheriff???s department and got finger printed, the Sandy Police had a one > month waiting list! To make a long story short I went ahead and sent > everything in anyway with my fingers crossed. > I got a call from the local BATF office and Chuck Spaulding was on the > other end wondering what had happened to me and my LEUP renewal. When I > explained to him what had happened and that I had sent everything in he > was apologetic and told me he didn???t think they would renew it because I > was reapplying for a renewal after it had expired. > I got a letter from the BATF about two weeks later telling me that my LEUP > would indeed be here but was being delayed a bit. They told me to use this > letter as a reference. I also noticed that the BATF had cashed my check > too. Today at my mail box was my new LEUP! > Tony S. had to come up and reinspect it after I relocated it from Sherwood > to my shop. He wrote some letters to some people for me concerning a > variance and I sent a letter to this other guy telling him what was going > on , and everything finally came together. > This is just my own opinion based on how the BATF has worked with me. I > have nothing but praise for both Tony and Chuck, they???ve always been > most helpful, polite and easy to deal with. I wish all governmental > agencies were this easy and nice. The other day I was at the Sandy DMV. Of > course there were 8 people in numerical order in front of me and one guy > at the counter who was on the phone enjoying a conversation with someone > he didn???t know, and not helping anyone of the 8 people in front of me. I > guess everyone else that works a window there was out to lunch, wondering > around in the parking lot or somewhere other than DMV. I???d rather have > root canal work done with no Novocain than go to the DMV for anything. I > usually renew all my vehicles by mail. I tried to renew one of my vehicles > on line and that didn???t work due to some snafu with DEQ boundary. So > cudo???s to our local BATF office for doing their jobs in a superlative > way, I at least appreciate the way they have worked with me. > Dave Proffitt > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Wed Dec 10 01:13:51 2008 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:13:51 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials.....Extra 10% off ends soon...... Message-ID: > >JUST A REMINDER< AEROTECH SALE ENDS NEXT WEEK! Get your orders in >while the price is right, prices go up on Tuesday, 12/16. We can >deliver to FITS, Dayton or Brothers in 2009!!! I have attached a >current price list with hobby and high power motors. Just one other thing, you can get gift certificates for all your rocket friends, makes good stocking stuffers!!!! > > >OUR DECEMBER SALE- The best prices of the year...... > >Model Rockets from Estes, Quest, Sunward, Flis Kits, US Rockets, >Squirrel Works - all 20% off > >Mid Power & High Power kits from PML, Binder Design and LOC are 20% >off ( 3.9" or smaller airframes) > >Monster Motors Cases- 25% off > >Aerotech Hobby motors- A through G -all 30% off---- These motors can >be shipped or picked up at a launch. Stock up now, lowest prices of >the year. All Aerotech LMS and ECONOJET motors in stock are 40% off. > >High Power and LEUP HOLDERS, Here is your special. Aerotech is >offering dealers a 10% discount for the next two weeks for dealers, >which ends 12/16. >So here is the deal, we will offer 35% off all prepaid orders of >Aerotech H and above ( restricted motors) to a LEUP holder on >file and delivered either at a launch that we attend or by special >arrangement. The cut off date for your payment/order will be 12/16. >From 12/16 to the 28th, you get 25% off all prepaid orders. Act now >and get that extra 10%!!!!! >Just think, 2009 is just right around the corner!! No limits, so get >your friends together for this great deal. > > >Here are the rules for the sale: > >1. All orders must be emailed to rocketstore at earthlink.net >2. All orders need to be prepaid, with Paypal or credit card, >(cash/check for in store sales-appointment required) >3. Shipping is charged at our cost, no handling fee >4. Sale ends on 12/28 ( extra 10% on Aerotech motors ends 12/16 >5. Please advise if anything is a Xmas present. We do have good stock >here, but if we need to order from a manufacturer, please remember >that shipping is slower during the holidays...... >6. All high power motors needed to be delivered to LEUP holders only. > >_________________ > >But wait, just one more thing. > >Here are some High Power Rockets on SALE: > >Binder Design 4" 38mm Dragonfly $52 >Binder Design 4" 38mm Jackhammer $55 >PML 54mm 4" Tethys $75 >PML 38mm Callisto $45 >LOC 29mm Weasel $30 >LOC 29mm Aura $26 >Madcow Rocketry 29mm Bomarc $85 >Madcow Rocketry 29mm Mozzie $32 We will be offering a "old stock" sale on kits in January. >Any questions, just drop me a email. > > >Most of all, we all here in Sunriver wish you and your family the >best of health and happiness for the holiday season and the New Year, > >Clear skies and calm winds, > > >Bob Grossfeld >Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory a non-profit, educational organization. -------------- next part -------------- AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials.....Extra 10% of JUST A REMINDER< AEROTECH SALE ENDS NEXT WEEK! Get your orders in while the price is right, prices go up on Tuesday, 12/16. We can deliver to FITS, Dayton or Brothers in 2009!!! I have attached a current price list with hobby and high power motors. Just one other thing, you can get gift certificates for all your rocket friends, makes good stocking stuffers!!!! OUR DECEMBER SALE- The best prices of the year...... Model Rockets from Estes, Quest, Sunward, Flis Kits, US Rockets, Squirrel Works - all 20% off Mid Power & High Power kits from PML, Binder Design and LOC are 20% off ( 3.9" or smaller airframes) Monster Motors Cases- 25% off Aerotech Hobby motors- A through G? -all 30% off---- These motors can be shipped or picked up at a launch. Stock up now, lowest prices of the year. All Aerotech LMS and ECONOJET motors in stock are 40% off. High Power and LEUP HOLDERS, Here is your special. Aerotech is offering dealers a 10% discount for the next two weeks for dealers, which ends 12/16. So here is the deal, we will offer 35% off all prepaid orders of Aerotech H and above ( restricted motors)? to a LEUP holder on file and delivered? either at a launch that we attend or by special arrangement. The cut off date for your payment/order will be 12/16. From 12/16 to the 28th, you get 25% off all prepaid orders. Act now and get that extra 10%!!!!! Just think, 2009 is just right around the corner!! No limits, so get your friends together for this great deal. Here are the rules for the sale: 1. All orders must be emailed to rocketstore at earthlink.net 2. All orders need to be prepaid, with Paypal or credit card, (cash/check for in store sales-appointment required) 3. Shipping is charged at our cost, no handling fee 4. Sale ends on 12/28 ( extra 10% on Aerotech motors ends 12/16 5. Please advise if anything is a Xmas present. We do have good stock here, but if we need to order from a manufacturer, please remember that shipping is slower during the holidays...... 6. All high power motors needed to be delivered to LEUP holders only. _________________ But wait, just one more thing. Here are some High Power Rockets on SALE: Binder Design 4" 38mm Dragonfly? $52 Binder Design 4" 38mm Jackhammer?? $55 PML 54mm 4" Tethys $75 PML 38mm Callisto $45 LOC 29mm Weasel? $30 LOC 29mm Aura? $26 Madcow Rocketry 29mm Bomarc? $85 Madcow Rocketry 29mm Mozzie? $32 We will be offering a "old stock" sale on kits in January. Any questions, just drop me a email. Most of all, we all here in Sunriver wish you and your family the best of health and happiness for the holiday season and the New Year, Clear skies and calm winds, Bob Grossfeld Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory a non-profit, educational organization. From jhadv at pacifier.com Wed Dec 10 08:45:31 2008 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:45:31 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ray - sanity check here. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20081210084416.00c4eff8@mail.iinet.com> >A 70 mAh battery is 3.7 volts not nine and is meant to run 2.4V electronic >packages only. Can't be used for the ejection charge. From jimnietmann at verizon.net Wed Dec 10 09:15:07 2008 From: jimnietmann at verizon.net (Jim Nietmann) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:15:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials.....Extra 10% off ends soon...... Message-ID: <306206.67504.qm@web84002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How do I open the price list?? It came to me in Notepad. Thanks for the help.?? Jim ________________________________ From: Bob Grossfeld To: rockets northwest Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:13:51 AM Subject: [RocketsNW] AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials.....Extra 10% off ends soon...... AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials.....Extra 10% of JUST A REMINDER< AEROTECH SALE ENDS NEXT WEEK! Get your orders in while the price is right, prices go up on Tuesday, 12/16. We can deliver to FITS, Dayton or Brothers in 2009!!! I have attached a current price list with hobby and high power motors. Just one other thing, you can get gift certificates for all your rocket friends, makes good stocking stuffers!!!! OUR DECEMBER SALE- The best prices of the year...... Model Rockets from Estes, Quest, Sunward, Flis Kits, US Rockets, Squirrel Works - all 20% off Mid Power & High Power kits from PML, Binder Design and LOC are 20% off ( 3.9" or smaller airframes) Monster Motors Cases- 25% off Aerotech Hobby motors- A through G? -all 30% off---- These motors can be shipped or picked up at a launch. Stock up now, lowest prices of the year. All Aerotech LMS and ECONOJET motors in stock are 40% off. High Power and LEUP HOLDERS, Here is your special. Aerotech is offering dealers a 10% discount for the next two weeks for dealers, which ends 12/16. So here is the deal, we will offer 35% off all prepaid orders of Aerotech H and above ( restricted motors)? to a LEUP holder on file and delivered? either at a launch that we attend or by special arrangement. The cut off date for your payment/order will be 12/16. From 12/16 to the 28th, you get 25% off all prepaid orders. Act now and get that extra 10%!!!!! Just think, 2009 is just right around the corner!! No limits, so get your friends together for this great deal. Here are the rules for the sale: 1. All orders must be emailed to rocketstore at earthlink.net 2. All orders need to be prepaid, with Paypal or credit card, (cash/check for in store sales-appointment required) 3. Shipping is charged at our cost, no handling fee 4. Sale ends on 12/28 ( extra 10% on Aerotech motors ends 12/16 5. Please advise if anything is a Xmas present. We do have good stock here, but if we need to order from a manufacturer, please remember that shipping is slower during the holidays...... 6. All high power motors needed to be delivered to LEUP holders only. _________________ But wait, just one more thing. Here are some High Power Rockets on SALE: Binder Design 4" 38mm Dragonfly? $52 Binder Design 4" 38mm Jackhammer?? $55 PML 54mm 4" Tethys $75 PML 38mm Callisto $45 LOC 29mm Weasel? $30 LOC 29mm Aura? $26 Madcow Rocketry 29mm Bomarc? $85 Madcow Rocketry 29mm Mozzie? $32 We will be offering a "old stock" sale on kits in January. Any questions, just drop me a email. Most of all, we all here in Sunriver wish you and your family the best of health and happiness for the holiday season and the New Year, Clear skies and calm winds, Bob Grossfeld Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory a non-profit, educational organization. -------------- next part -------------- How do I open the price list?? It came to me in Notepad. ? Thanks for the help.?? Jim From: Bob Grossfeld To: rockets northwest Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:13:51 AM Subject: [RocketsNW] AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials.....Extra 10% off ends soon...... AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials.....Extra 10% of JUST A REMINDER< AEROTECH SALE ENDS NEXT WEEK! Get your orders in while the price is right, prices go up on Tuesday, 12/16. We can deliver to FITS, Dayton or Brothers in 2009!!! I have attached a current price list with hobby and high power motors. Just one other thing, you can get gift certificates for all your rocket friends, makes good stocking stuffers!!!! OUR DECEMBER SALE- The best prices of the year...... Model Rockets from Estes, Quest, Sunward, Flis Kits, US Rockets, Squirrel Works - all 20% off Mid Power & High Power kits from PML, Binder Design and LOC are 20% off ( 3.9" or smaller airframes) Monster Motors Cases- 25% off Aerotech Hobby motors- A through G? -all 30% off---- These motors can be shipped or picked up at a launch. Stock up now, lowest prices of the year. All Aerotech LMS and ECONOJET motors in stock are 40% off. High Power and LEUP HOLDERS, Here is your special. Aerotech is offering dealers a 10% discount for the next two weeks for dealers, which ends 12/16. So here is the deal, we will offer 35% off all prepaid orders of Aerotech H and above ( restricted motors)? to a LEUP holder on file and delivered? either at a launch that we attend or by special arrangement. The cut off date for your payment/order will be 12/16. From 12/16 to the 28th, you get 25% off all prepaid orders. Act now and get that extra 10%!!!!! Just think, 2009 is just right around the corner!! No limits, so get your friends together for this great deal. Here are the rules for the sale: 1. All orders must be emailed to mailto:rocketstore at earthlink.net rocketstore at earthlink.net 2. All orders need to be prepaid, with Paypal or credit card, (cash/check for in store sales-appointment required) 3. Shipping is charged at our cost, no handling fee 4. Sale ends on 12/28 ( extra 10% on Aerotech motors ends 12/16 5. Please advise if anything is a Xmas present. We do have good stock here, but if we need to order from a manufacturer, please remember that shipping is slower during the holidays...... 6. All high power motors needed to be delivered to LEUP holders only. _________________ But wait, just one more thing. Here are some High Power Rockets on SALE: Binder Design 4" 38mm Dragonfly? $52 Binder Design 4" 38mm Jackhammer?? $55 PML 54mm 4" Tethys $75 PML 38mm Callisto $45 LOC 29mm Weasel? $30 LOC 29mm Aura? $26 Madcow Rocketry 29mm Bomarc? $85 Madcow Rocketry 29mm Mozzie? $32 We will be offering a "old stock" sale on kits in January. Any questions, just drop me a email. Most of all, we all here in Sunriver wish you and your family the best of health and happiness for the holiday season and the New Year, Clear skies and calm winds, Bob Grossfeld Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory a non-profit, educational organization. From appusher at q.com Wed Dec 10 15:45:51 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:45:51 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] need a computer wookie for vista (OT) Message-ID: Anyone out there that is good with programing and has some time.... I have a new rocket/business laptop with Vista Premium. It's a Dell Inspirion 1721. Is there anyone that can take a look at it and fix the silly thing? Driving me whacko. I am willing to compensate your time. I'm in Port Orchard Please contact me off list @ this address. Thanks... Bill@ PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me -------------- next part -------------- Anyone out there that is good with programing and has some time.... ? I have a new rocket/business laptop with Vista Premium.? It's a Dell Inspirion 1721. ? Is there anyone that can take a look at it and fix the silly thing?? Driving me whacko. I am willing to compensate your time.? I'm in Port Orchard ? Please contact me off list @ this address. ? Thanks... Bill@ PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From raystoner99 at comcast.net Wed Dec 10 17:25:59 2008 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:25:59 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Ray - sanity check here. In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20081210084416.00c4eff8@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: If we were talking about LiPo batteries...yes, but the conversation was in relationship to a 9V alkaline battery. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:46 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Ray - sanity check here. >A 70 mAh battery is 3.7 volts not nine and is meant to run 2.4V electronic >packages only. Can't be used for the ejection charge. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bigredbee at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 11:40:16 2008 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:40:16 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Superbright LEDs Message-ID: I bought one of these for fun. Holy cow, are they bright! Might be way cool (although a bit expensive) for a night launch! http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9000 -- Greg -------------- next part -------------- ? I bought one of these for fun.?? Holy cow, are they bright!? Might be way cool (although a bit expensive) for a night launch! ? http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9000 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9000 ? -- Greg From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Thu Dec 11 12:02:50 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:02:50 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Superbright LEDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494171EA.8090507@earthlink.net> Only if our rockets could be as bright as this r/c airplane. http://gizmodo.com/388487/led-plane-is-more-like-an-rc-comet Robert Greg Clark wrote: > > I bought one of these for fun. Holy cow, are they bright! Might be way cool (although a bit expensive) for a night launch! > > http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9000 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9000 > > -- Greg > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From jhadv at pacifier.com Thu Dec 11 12:18:50 2008 From: jhadv at pacifier.com (Paul Bogdanich) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:18:50 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> Bill; Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Thu Dec 11 14:09:38 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:09:38 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... (running Vista fine on 4 systems) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Bill; Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com Thu Dec 11 14:17:00 2008 From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:17:00 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121796@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> mee too. I'm not even a microsoft employee and I'm using it with no problems, now.... It took some time until I had the proper update configurations. At first it wouldn't even run Windows Movie Maker, the specific applicaion I bought the new computer for. Then, a guy from Bangladesh wanted to sell me a new one! He said it was because of the Movie Maker software I installed the computer wasn't working!! -----Original Message----- From: Brad Wright [mailto:bradwr at wrightholdings.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... (running Vista fine on 4 systems) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Bill; Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com Thu Dec 11 16:04:34 2008 From: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com (john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:04:34 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years I've become accustomed to it. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... (running Vista fine on 4 systems) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Bill; Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From appusher at q.com Thu Dec 11 17:41:23 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:41:23 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> Message-ID: I have used most of the OS since 3.1. They all have their hot points and irritations. I bought the Dell laptop in dec of last year and have come to learn the file system and somewhat the attributes of Vista. I like the most of it. Some of it was hard to get use to. Vista was working great until I installed Quickbooks.... then it all went downhill from there. Seems there has been an issue with Quickbooks and Vista for a while now. MS says it's not their issue and QB's has their forum of Guru Geeks that seem to know the most. Hard to deal with if you don't really know much about the software lingo. So, I struggle with it. It was nice when my son stayed with us after discharging from the Navy. He was and still is the software Guru. (it was great having him right down the hall and fixing things as they went wrong with the 'puter.) Greg suggested to wipe it and start over. I'm leaning that way. John H suggested, and was confirmed by Greg D, to install additional programs by going thru the admin install. Before I do anything I have to save files. That's going to take a bit of time. Thanks for all the suggestions/comments/complaints/and giggles. Bill at PSP EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:04:34 -0800> Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA> > I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years I've become accustomed to it.> > John> > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM> To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA> > Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true.....> > (running Vista fine on 4 systems)> > b> > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA> > Bill;> Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is> just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never> completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro.> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- I have used most of the OS since??3.1.?? They all have their hot points and irritations.? I bought the Dell laptop in dec of last year and have come to learn the file system and somewhat the attributes of Vista.? I like the most of it.? Some of it was hard to get use to.? Vista was working great until I installed Quickbooks....? then it all went downhill from there.??Seems there has been an issue with Quickbooks and Vista for a while now. MS says it's not their issue and QB's?has their forum of Guru Geeks that seem to know the most. Hard to deal with if you don't really know much about the software lingo. So, I struggle with it.? It was nice when my son stayed with us after discharging from the Navy.? He was and still is the software Guru. (it was great having him right down the hall and fixing things as they went wrong with the 'puter.) ?Greg suggested to wipe it and start over.? I'm leaning that way.? John H suggested, and was confirmed by Greg D, to install additional programs by going thru the admin install.?? Before I do anything I have to save files. That's going to take a bit of time. ? Thanks for all the suggestions/comments/complaints/and giggles. ? mailto:Bill at PSP Bill at PSP http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:04:34 -0800 > Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years I've become accustomed to it. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM > To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... > > (running Vista fine on 4 systems) > > b > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > Bill; > Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is > just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never > completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From foreveryoung at inlandnet.com Thu Dec 11 17:45:41 2008 From: foreveryoung at inlandnet.com (Bryan Young) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:45:41 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121796@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121796@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: <001801c95bfb$572a03e0$057e0ba0$@com> First, Vista introduced a whole new "graphics stack." All the graphics OEM's -- ATI, Intel, nVidia, etc.. had to basically write a whole new graphics driver. It's taken time for performance, capability, and stability to arrive. Second, Microsoft decided that hardware sound acceleration wasn't needed. This caused some manufactures, such as Creative Labs, to have to design from scratch a complete infrastructure -- not just a sound card driver. Finally, the new desktop shell is running your graphics card in a 3D mode (albeit restricted to two dimensions) which means more opportunities for bugs to be exposed in graphics drivers. -B -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bloom, Steven E Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:17 PM To: Brad Wright; Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA mee too. I'm not even a microsoft employee and I'm using it with no problems, now.... It took some time until I had the proper update configurations. At first it wouldn't even run Windows Movie Maker, the specific applicaion I bought the new computer for. Then, a guy from Bangladesh wanted to sell me a new one! He said it was because of the Movie Maker software I installed the computer wasn't working!! -----Original Message----- From: Brad Wright [mailto:bradwr at wrightholdings.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... (running Vista fine on 4 systems) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Bill; Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From matjamison at aol.com Thu Dec 11 17:53:43 2008 From: matjamison at aol.com (matjamison at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:53:43 -0500 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Message-ID: <8CB2A1398CA6BD0-D6C-FCF@FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com> I don't know much about Vista but I'm fairly tech savvy and live out in Port Orchard, if you got a problem I'll check it out. I am, however, attending a gun show this weekend. - Matt . -------------- next part -------------- I don't know much about Vista but I'm fairly tech savvy and live out in Port Orchard, if you got a problem I'll check it out. I am, however, attending a gun show this weekend. - Matt . Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations ? including songs for the holidays ? FREE while you browse. http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013 Start Listening Now ! From stefan_jones at comcast.net Thu Dec 11 19:58:45 2008 From: stefan_jones at comcast.net (stefan_jones at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:58:45 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Message-ID: <121220080358.2668.4941E175000E9B4900000A6C22058864429C0A020106A1020E000A9B9C@comcast.net> My $.02: Vista is tolerable once you get rid of the annoying "Are you sure you want to do that?" reminders. It's like have a Special Needs teacher following you around warning you whenever you try to pick up a sharp object. If you really don't like Vista, it is still possible to get XP. I just bought a copy last week (from ENU in Hillsboro), to install on a machine being retired from work. Interestingly, in this case XP replaced not Vista but Linux. If I was keeping the machine I'd have kept that OS, but the system is going to be an Xmas gift to my brother. -- http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: matjamison at aol.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:54:16 +0000 Size: 1703 Url: http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20081212/708c63fe/attachment.eml From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Thu Dec 11 20:07:39 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:07:39 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Just so everyone is clear better than 98% of blue screens in Vista are due to bad drivers from THIRD parties. There are over 500,000 drivers for windows out there. Until the hardware vendors will actually follow the guidelines this sort of thing happens. The devices teams do all they can to stop this but there's only so much control that can be exercised. b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:05 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years I've become accustomed to it. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... (running Vista fine on 4 systems) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Bill; Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Thu Dec 11 20:09:18 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:09:18 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: <121220080358.2668.4941E175000E9B4900000A6C22058864429C0A020106A1020E000A9B9C@comcast.net> References: <121220080358.2668.4941E175000E9B4900000A6C22058864429C0A020106A1020E000A9B9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282EC2@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> The interesting thing about that, which is called UAC, is that it was supposed to help people to STOP installing bad s**t that will hurt them..... -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of stefan_jones at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:59 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA My $.02: Vista is tolerable once you get rid of the annoying "Are you sure you want to do that?" reminders. It's like have a Special Needs teacher following you around warning you whenever you try to pick up a sharp object. If you really don't like Vista, it is still possible to get XP. I just bought a copy last week (from ENU in Hillsboro), to install on a machine being retired from work. Interestingly, in this case XP replaced not Vista but Linux. If I was keeping the machine I'd have kept that OS, but the system is going to be an Xmas gift to my brother. -- http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones From bigredbee at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 20:20:24 2008 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:24 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: As an end user of windows (and a career as a hardware validation engineer) I'm not really sure I care who is at fault. It's Microsoft's business to ensure that everything works together. I'm not running any 'esoteric' hardware/software on my new windows machine, but I get about 1 or 2 blue screens per day. Perhaps their business model is flawed? -- Greg On 12/11/08, Brad Wright wrote: > Just so everyone is clear better than 98% of blue screens in Vista are due to bad drivers from THIRD parties. There are over 500,000 drivers for windows out there. Until the hardware vendors will actually follow the guidelines this sort of thing happens. The devices teams do all they can to stop this but there's only so much control that can be exercised. > > > b > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:05 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years I've become accustomed to it. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM > To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... > > (running Vista fine on 4 systems) > > b > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > Bill; > Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is > just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never > completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From jrcoxx at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 20:28:02 2008 From: jrcoxx at gmail.com (John Cox) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:28:02 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <4d5ff6a50812112028u25a772d0m9bd20a796f9fa74a@mail.gmail.com> ROLF I haven't had a blue screen on my laptop with Vista. (1.5 years) However it does run a lot slower then I ever expected. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Greg Clark wrote: > As an end user of windows (and a career as a hardware validation > engineer) I'm not really sure I care who is at fault. It's > Microsoft's business to ensure that everything works together. > > I'm not running any 'esoteric' hardware/software on my new windows > machine, but I get about 1 or 2 blue screens per day. > > Perhaps their business model is flawed? > > -- Greg > > On 12/11/08, Brad Wright wrote: > > Just so everyone is clear better than 98% of blue screens in Vista are > due to bad drivers from THIRD parties. There are over 500,000 drivers for > windows out there. Until the hardware vendors will actually follow the > guidelines this sort of thing happens. The devices teams do all they can to > stop this but there's only so much control that can be exercised. > > > > > > b > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:05 PM > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > > > I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few > months were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen > of death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem > to have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years > I've become accustomed to it. > > > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM > > To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > > > Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely > true..... > > > > (running Vista fine on 4 systems) > > > > b > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: > rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM > > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > > > Bill; > > Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is > > just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never > > completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- ROLF? ? I haven't had a blue screen on my laptop with Vista.? (1.5 years)? However it does run a lot slower then I ever expected. ? ? ? On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Greg Clark < mailto:bigredbee at gmail.com bigredbee at gmail.com > wrote: As an end user of windows (and a career as a hardware validation engineer) ?I'm not really sure I care who is at fault. ?It's Microsoft's business to ensure that everything works together. I'm not running any 'esoteric' hardware/software on my new windows machine, but I get about 1 or 2 ?blue screens per day. Perhaps their business model is flawed? -- Greg On 12/11/08, Brad Wright < mailto:bradwr at wrightholdings.com bradwr at wrightholdings.com > wrote: > Just so everyone is clear better than 98% of blue screens in Vista are due to bad drivers from THIRD parties. ?There are over 500,000 drivers for windows out there. ?Until the hardware vendors will actually follow the guidelines this sort of thing happens. ?The devices teams do all they can to stop this but there's only so much control that can be exercised. > > > ?b > > > > > ?-----Original Message----- > ?From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of mailto:john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com > ?Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:05 PM > ?To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > ?Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > ?I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years I've become accustomed to it. > > ? ? ? ? John > > > ?-----Original Message----- > ?From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Brad Wright > ?Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM > ?To: Paul Bogdanich; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > ?Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > ?Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... > > ?(running Vista fine on 4 systems) > > ?b > > ?-----Original Message----- > ?From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich > ?Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM > ?To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com > ?Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > ?Bill; > ? ? ?Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. ?Vista is > ?just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never > ?completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. > > ?_______________________________________________ > ?Rockets mailing list > ? mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > ? http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > ?_______________________________________________ > ?Rockets mailing list > ? mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > ? http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > ?_______________________________________________ > ?Rockets mailing list > ? mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > ? http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > ?_______________________________________________ > ?Rockets mailing list > ? mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > ? http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From MartyWeiser at comcast.net Thu Dec 11 20:29:18 2008 From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty2) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:29:18 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <00fb01c95c12$335c6630$9a153290$@net> Brad, Since Microsoft controls the OS when they make a change everyone else has to spend money. This includes the driver makers as you have listed, most of whom I am sure were informed well in advance that there would be changes. However, it also includes the rest of us. When I upgraded my computer and got Vista I had to upgrade my version of MS Office since the previous version of MS Outlook was incompatible with MS Vista. If Microsoft cannot keep its new OS compatible with the previous version of its core software what is the chance that thousands of vendors who generally have less resources and inside knowledge than MS can keep up without a few hiccups? On the other hand I really, really like the search capabilities of Vista. It is many times better than XP. Now that I spent the upgrade money I don't think I would go back. However, I am glad to find out that Quickbooks has not caught up with Vista so I will install that on an older laptop running XP when I take on the treasurer duties for the bonsai club. Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:08 PM To: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Just so everyone is clear better than 98% of blue screens in Vista are due to bad drivers from THIRD parties. There are over 500,000 drivers for windows out there. Until the hardware vendors will actually follow the guidelines this sort of thing happens. The devices teams do all they can to stop this but there's only so much control that can be exercised. b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:05 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years I've become accustomed to it. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... (running Vista fine on 4 systems) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Bill; Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 21:13:46 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:13:46 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net><4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <00fb01c95c12$335c6630$9a153290$@net> Message-ID: <008901c95c18$69987760$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> There are many things to consider when choosing Vista. The motor size and number grains will help performance. A large motor with fewer grains of memory will work. Yet a balance of large motor and enough memory grains help improve performance. All situations are different, you should ask Microsoft and Aerotech for the best combination. Now be sure to match your hardware and reload. If you have 98mm hardware, do not try using a G64 in it. Also if you have 29mm hardware, do not think using an M2000 will help, you are wrong. Next is the recovery system. Whether you use a Vista Premium piston or bare system, it all depends upon the system being ready to be recovered. Use the correct grams of 4F BP when creating your recovery system. Now when it comes to the actual recovery, what kind of screen color do you want? Red or Orange (new to Vista) or the standard blue screen? Recovery should be soft and safe, and easy to get back up again. So make sure you choose the correct size recovery system for your Vista. Back to cauum bagging... with a zip loc bag and a straw... Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty2" To: "'Brad Wright'" ; Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > Brad, > > Since Microsoft controls the OS when they make a change everyone else has > to > spend money. This includes the driver makers as you have listed, most of > whom I am sure were informed well in advance that there would be changes. > However, it also includes the rest of us. When I upgraded my computer and > got Vista I had to upgrade my version of MS Office since the previous > version of MS Outlook was incompatible with MS Vista. If Microsoft cannot > keep its new OS compatible with the previous version of its core software > what is the chance that thousands of vendors who generally have less > resources and inside knowledge than MS can keep up without a few hiccups? > > On the other hand I really, really like the search capabilities of Vista. > It is many times better than XP. Now that I spent the upgrade money I > don't > think I would go back. However, I am glad to find out that Quickbooks has > not caught up with Vista so I will install that on an older laptop running > XP when I take on the treasurer duties for the bonsai club. > > Marty > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Brad Wright > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:08 PM > To: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > Just so everyone is clear better than 98% of blue screens in Vista are due > to bad drivers from THIRD parties. There are over 500,000 drivers for > windows out there. Until the hardware vendors will actually follow the > guidelines this sort of thing happens. The devices teams do all they can > to > stop this but there's only so much control that can be exercised. > > b > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:05 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months > were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of > death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to > have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years > I've become accustomed to it. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Brad Wright > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM > To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... > > (running Vista fine on 4 systems) > > b > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > Bill; > Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is > just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never > completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 22:19:42 2008 From: whiteboardofsilliness at gmail.com (Dietrich Podmajersky) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:19:42 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: <00fb01c95c12$335c6630$9a153290$@net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <00fb01c95c12$335c6630$9a153290$@net> Message-ID: Unfortunately for the average end user, much of the improvement in Vista is not directly noticeable. I have multiple systems running 64 bit versions of the Vista that only get rebooted every other month, and that is only due to applying the regular patches. If you have hardware that is closer to 5 years old, then XP is probably a better OS due to the fact that hardware vendors do not update drivers like they used to. As far as application compatibility on Vista. It isn't as bad as most of the media would have people think. I won't kid you, applications developed for 98 or NT4 or earlier aren't going to work well (and many xp apps are just old 98/2000 apps with fresh paint). Let's be realistic, would you expext a 2006 corvette Z06 to have the same performance if you put a 4bbl holly carb from the 1960's on it instead of the fuel injectors.... would you expext it to be just as safe if you took the non colapsable steering column from a 1950's era corvette and put it in the 2006 one? I hope not. Yes computer operating systems have changed at least that much since the early 90's On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Marty2 wrote: > Brad, > > Since Microsoft controls the OS when they make a change everyone else has > to > spend money. This includes the driver makers as you have listed, most of > whom I am sure were informed well in advance that there would be changes. > However, it also includes the rest of us. When I upgraded my computer and > got Vista I had to upgrade my version of MS Office since the previous > version of MS Outlook was incompatible with MS Vista. If Microsoft cannot > keep its new OS compatible with the previous version of its core software > what is the chance that thousands of vendors who generally have less > resources and inside knowledge than MS can keep up without a few hiccups? > > On the other hand I really, really like the search capabilities of Vista. > It is many times better than XP. Now that I spent the upgrade money I > don't > think I would go back. However, I am glad to find out that Quickbooks has > not caught up with Vista so I will install that on an older laptop running > XP when I take on the treasurer duties for the bonsai club. > > Marty > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Brad Wright > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:08 PM > To: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > Just so everyone is clear better than 98% of blue screens in Vista are due > to bad drivers from THIRD parties. There are over 500,000 drivers for > windows out there. Until the hardware vendors will actually follow the > guidelines this sort of thing happens. The devices teams do all they can > to > stop this but there's only so much control that can be exercised. > > b > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:05 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months > were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of > death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to > have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years > I've become accustomed to it. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Brad Wright > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM > To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... > > (running Vista fine on 4 systems) > > b > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > Bill; > Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is > just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never > completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -------------- next part -------------- If you have hardware that is closer to 5 years old, then XP is probably a better OS due to the fact that hardware vendors do not update drivers like they used to. As far as application compatibility on Vista.? It isn't as bad as most of the media would have people think.? I won't kid you, applications developed for? 98 or NT4 or earlier aren't going to work well (and many xp apps are just old 98/2000 apps with fresh? paint). Let's be realistic, would you expext a 2006 corvette Z06 to have the same performance if you put a 4bbl holly carb from the 1960's on it instead of the fuel injectors.... would you expext it to be just as safe if you took the non colapsable steering column from a 1950's era corvette and put it in the 2006 one?? I hope not.? Yes computer operating systems have changed at least that much since the early 90's On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Marty2 < mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net MartyWeiser at comcast.net > wrote: Brad, Since Microsoft controls the OS when they make a change everyone else has to spend money. ?This includes the driver makers as you have listed, most of whom I am sure were informed well in advance that there would be changes. However, it also includes the rest of us. When I upgraded my computer and got Vista I had to upgrade my version of MS Office since the previous version of MS Outlook was incompatible with MS Vista. ?If Microsoft cannot keep its new OS compatible with the previous version of its core software what is the chance that thousands of vendors who generally have less resources and inside knowledge than MS can keep up without a few hiccups? On the other hand I really, really like the search capabilities of Vista. It is many times better than XP. ?Now that I spent the upgrade money I don't think I would go back. ?However, I am glad to find out that Quickbooks has not caught up with Vista so I will install that on an older laptop running XP when I take on the treasurer duties for the bonsai club. Marty -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:08 PM To: mailto:john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com ; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Just so everyone is clear better than 98% of blue screens in Vista are due to bad drivers from THIRD parties. ?There are over 500,000 drivers for windows out there. ?Until the hardware vendors will actually follow the guidelines this sort of thing happens. ?The devices teams do all they can to stop this but there's only so much control that can be exercised. b -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of mailto:john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:05 PM To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years I've become accustomed to it. ? ? ? ?John -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM To: Paul Bogdanich; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... (running Vista fine on 4 systems) b -----Original Message----- From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com ] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM To: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Bill; ? ? Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. ?Vista is just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Thu Dec 11 22:32:59 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:32:59 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D2894F9@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> If the hardware vendors would stop falsifying the results of their tests then perhaps MS would be able to ensure better compatibility. And yes I have proof of this. The HW vendors don't follow the guidelines and screw the public then the Windows engineers get blamed. If we enforce too much then we get slammed by everyone. The public wants to run everyone but wants to blame one vendor - ms. Or perhaps we should go the route of Apple and DICTATE every bit of hw and charge 5x for it. then the blame would be fair. b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Clark Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:20 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA As an end user of windows (and a career as a hardware validation engineer) I'm not really sure I care who is at fault. It's Microsoft's business to ensure that everything works together. I'm not running any 'esoteric' hardware/software on my new windows machine, but I get about 1 or 2 blue screens per day. Perhaps their business model is flawed? -- Greg On 12/11/08, Brad Wright wrote: > Just so everyone is clear better than 98% of blue screens in Vista are due to bad drivers from THIRD parties. There are over 500,000 drivers for windows out there. Until the hardware vendors will actually follow the guidelines this sort of thing happens. The devices teams do all they can to stop this but there's only so much control that can be exercised. > > > b > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:05 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years I've become accustomed to it. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM > To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... > > (running Vista fine on 4 systems) > > b > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA > > Bill; > Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is > just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never > completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Thu Dec 11 22:34:12 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:34:12 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: <00fb01c95c12$335c6630$9a153290$@net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <00fb01c95c12$335c6630$9a153290$@net> Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D28950D@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> That's why there's the compatibility wizard to test for this. Of course if the HW vendors aren't doing the proper tests and reporting properly then you get screwed anyway. b -----Original Message----- From: Marty2 [mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:29 PM To: Brad Wright; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Brad, Since Microsoft controls the OS when they make a change everyone else has to spend money. This includes the driver makers as you have listed, most of whom I am sure were informed well in advance that there would be changes. However, it also includes the rest of us. When I upgraded my computer and got Vista I had to upgrade my version of MS Office since the previous version of MS Outlook was incompatible with MS Vista. If Microsoft cannot keep its new OS compatible with the previous version of its core software what is the chance that thousands of vendors who generally have less resources and inside knowledge than MS can keep up without a few hiccups? On the other hand I really, really like the search capabilities of Vista. It is many times better than XP. Now that I spent the upgrade money I don't think I would go back. However, I am glad to find out that Quickbooks has not caught up with Vista so I will install that on an older laptop running XP when I take on the treasurer duties for the bonsai club. Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:08 PM To: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Just so everyone is clear better than 98% of blue screens in Vista are due to bad drivers from THIRD parties. There are over 500,000 drivers for windows out there. Until the hardware vendors will actually follow the guidelines this sort of thing happens. The devices teams do all they can to stop this but there's only so much control that can be exercised. b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:05 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years I've become accustomed to it. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... (running Vista fine on 4 systems) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Bill; Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Thu Dec 11 22:47:40 2008 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:47:40 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: <008901c95c18$69987760$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net><4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <00fb01c95c12$335c6630$9a153290$@net> <008901c95c18$69987760$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <4942090C.4010104@hawkfeather.com> Thanx Robert! Us Mac users were getting a bit bored... ;) Andrew. Robert Krausert wrote: > There are many things to consider when choosing Vista. The motor size and > number grains will help performance. A large motor with fewer grains of > memory will work. Yet a balance of large motor and enough memory grains help > improve performance. All situations are different, you should ask Microsoft > and Aerotech for the best combination. Now be sure to match your hardware > and reload. If you have 98mm hardware, do not try using a G64 in it. Also if > you have 29mm hardware, do not think using an M2000 will help, you are > wrong. Next is the recovery system. Whether you use a Vista Premium piston > or bare system, it all depends upon the system being ready to be recovered. > Use the correct grams of 4F BP when creating your recovery system. Now when > it comes to the actual recovery, what kind of screen color do you want? Red > or Orange (new to Vista) or the standard blue screen? Recovery should be > soft and safe, and easy to get back up again. So make sure you choose the > correct size recovery system for your Vista. > > Back to cauum bagging... with a zip loc bag and a straw... > > Cheers, > Robert From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Fri Dec 12 01:05:14 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:05:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Superbright LEDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0428e73d44664a3ab320b9e89a64847c.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> If you put about 10,000 of these on the bottom of your airplane, a video camera on the top looking up, and the right software in between you can make your airplane invisible to people on the ground. The Army has already made tanks 'disappear' this way. You just have to have at least one color and intensity modulated LED per pixel in the viewer's vision. Or, since these are so bright, put them on a blimp, program the array to look like a flying saucer, demand the earthlings beneath to leave a pile of gold bars you need to save your home world or else you'll blow up the planet Earth... ;-) Nah, just put a few in a rocket. The people driving past Brothers will do the rest! +McG+ ? > I bought one of these for fun.?? Holy cow, are they bright!? Might be way > cool (although a bit expensive) for a night launch! > ? > http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9000 > http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9000 > ? > -- Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com Fri Dec 12 07:03:53 2008 From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:03:53 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: <001801c95bfb$572a03e0$057e0ba0$@com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E808121796@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> <001801c95bfb$572a03e0$057e0ba0$@com> Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E80812179B@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> Yup, that's what took mine down. An nVidia graphics driver problem surfaced after an auto update went into effect. I configured auto update to allow me to choose which to install. -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Young [mailto:foreveryoung at inlandnet.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:46 PM To: Bloom, Steven E; 'Brad Wright'; 'Paul Bogdanich'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA First, Vista introduced a whole new "graphics stack." All the graphics OEM's -- ATI, Intel, nVidia, etc.. had to basically write a whole new graphics driver. It's taken time for performance, capability, and stability to arrive. Second, Microsoft decided that hardware sound acceleration wasn't needed. This caused some manufactures, such as Creative Labs, to have to design from scratch a complete infrastructure -- not just a sound card driver. Finally, the new desktop shell is running your graphics card in a 3D mode (albeit restricted to two dimensions) which means more opportunities for bugs to be exposed in graphics drivers. -B -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bloom, Steven E Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:17 PM To: Brad Wright; Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA mee too. I'm not even a microsoft employee and I'm using it with no problems, now.... It took some time until I had the proper update configurations. At first it wouldn't even run Windows Movie Maker, the specific applicaion I bought the new computer for. Then, a guy from Bangladesh wanted to sell me a new one! He said it was because of the Movie Maker software I installed the computer wasn't working!! -----Original Message----- From: Brad Wright [mailto:bradwr at wrightholdings.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... (running Vista fine on 4 systems) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Bill; Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From stevet19759 at comcast.net Fri Dec 12 07:31:34 2008 From: stevet19759 at comcast.net (Steve Tarr) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:31:34 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: <4942090C.4010104@hawkfeather.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net><4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <00fb01c95c12$335c6630$9a153290$@net> <008901c95c18$69987760$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> <4942090C.4010104@hawkfeather.com> Message-ID: <494283D6.5020404@comcast.net> Or you could go EX and run Linux. Vacuum bagging with a straw... Are you using epoxy or polyester resin? I want to know what you're inhaling. :-) -ST Andrew MacMillen wrote: > Thanx Robert! Us Mac users were getting a bit bored... ;) > > Andrew. > > Robert Krausert wrote: >> There are many things to consider when choosing Vista. The motor size and >> number grains will help performance. A large motor with fewer grains of >> memory will work. Yet a balance of large motor and enough memory grains help >> improve performance. All situations are different, you should ask Microsoft >> and Aerotech for the best combination. Now be sure to match your hardware >> and reload. If you have 98mm hardware, do not try using a G64 in it. Also if >> you have 29mm hardware, do not think using an M2000 will help, you are >> wrong. Next is the recovery system. Whether you use a Vista Premium piston >> or bare system, it all depends upon the system being ready to be recovered. >> Use the correct grams of 4F BP when creating your recovery system. Now when >> it comes to the actual recovery, what kind of screen color do you want? Red >> or Orange (new to Vista) or the standard blue screen? Recovery should be >> soft and safe, and easy to get back up again. So make sure you choose the >> correct size recovery system for your Vista. >> >> Back to cauum bagging... with a zip loc bag and a straw... >> >> Cheers, >> Robert > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From MikeM24108 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 12 09:57:23 2008 From: MikeM24108 at hotmail.com (MikeM24108) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:57:23 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: MikeM24108_2 [mailto:MikeM24108_2 at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:46 AM To: 'Brad Wright'; john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Let me underscore and emphasize Brad's comment below. 99% of ALL blue screens on XP and previous OS releases were due to bad drivers. Drivers are the worst tested (and often the worst written software) offenders in ANY OS. Vista has a completely new driver manager. In three years of running Vista (7x24 on as many as 6-8 machines) I've had fewer than half a dozen blue screens on Vista. And, I have to tell you I REALLY STRESS my machines and have lost of shit loaded & running on them. I would NEVER ... EVER ... move back to XP or any older OS. The FACTS ... not local myth and folklore experience ... is that VISTA is the most robust OS ever released. Check your facts and you will see it is more secure from external threat and more robust than any other OS ... including Linux flavors. This in spite of the fact that it has the largest threat profile (more running copies than other comparable OS's). YES ... I agree ... this comes at a cost. I complain and bitch at the computer asking me about UAC (User Access Control) ... which you can actually set and dial back if you are dumb enough to do so. Go ahead and exposure yourself like XP, etc. I still talk to people today who swear by Windows 95. Luddites come to mind!!!! If you prefer XP fine ... just understand you are explicitly accepting a much, much larger risk using your computer. I have to laugh at this thread. Windows 7 is already available in Beta. None of us can live in the past. Change in computers and technology is the most rapid change we all must face and address. If you want to use a computer than step up and face the raw facts of live ... you MUST pay a price to use it and that includes the growing pains of upgrading to newer OS's and software applications. Five years from now I would bet my house that we'll be having the exact same discussion around staying on Vista and not adopting the newest OS. Windows 7 has SOME help with issues like UAC. The most important features of Windows 7 ... just like Vista ... are mostly buried deep under the covers where most people never see ... or even know. Things like better device driver managers, better graphics driver managers, MUCH STRONGER SECURITY to protect us from the assholes that write virus & worms and malicious software. If you have to direct you ire somewhere direct it at these shits that cost all of BILLIONS of dollars each year in lost productivity, lost data, infected systems, etc. But, like new technology and new OS's ... don't have any expectations for positive change ... if anything it will get worse. And this is really what drive the absolute necessity for newer ... and BETTER ... OS's. Guess that's my nickel's worth. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:08 PM To: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Just so everyone is clear better than 98% of blue screens in Vista are due to bad drivers from THIRD parties. There are over 500,000 drivers for windows out there. Until the hardware vendors will actually follow the guidelines this sort of thing happens. The devices teams do all they can to stop this but there's only so much control that can be exercised. b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:05 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years I've become accustomed to it. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... (running Vista fine on 4 systems) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Bill; Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at blastzone.com Fri Dec 12 10:27:39 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:27:39 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <137201c95c87$5095e170$f1c1a450$@com> Lets please move this non-rocketry discussion to private email. Thanks Greg Deputy List Admin -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of MikeM24108 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:57 AM To: 'MikeM24108_2'; 'Brad Wright'; john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA -----Original Message----- From: MikeM24108_2 [mailto:MikeM24108_2 at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:46 AM To: 'Brad Wright'; john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Let me underscore and emphasize Brad's comment below. 99% of ALL blue screens on XP and previous OS releases were due to bad drivers. Drivers are the worst tested (and often the worst written software) offenders in ANY OS. Vista has a completely new driver manager. In three years of running Vista (7x24 on as many as 6-8 machines) I've had fewer than half a dozen blue screens on Vista. And, I have to tell you I REALLY STRESS my machines and have lost of shit loaded & running on them. I would NEVER ... EVER ... move back to XP or any older OS. The FACTS ... not local myth and folklore experience ... is that VISTA is the most robust OS ever released. Check your facts and you will see it is more secure from external threat and more robust than any other OS ... including Linux flavors. This in spite of the fact that it has the largest threat profile (more running copies than other comparable OS's). YES ... I agree ... this comes at a cost. I complain and bitch at the computer asking me about UAC (User Access Control) ... which you can actually set and dial back if you are dumb enough to do so. Go ahead and exposure yourself like XP, etc. I still talk to people today who swear by Windows 95. Luddites come to mind!!!! If you prefer XP fine ... just understand you are explicitly accepting a much, much larger risk using your computer. I have to laugh at this thread. Windows 7 is already available in Beta. None of us can live in the past. Change in computers and technology is the most rapid change we all must face and address. If you want to use a computer than step up and face the raw facts of live ... you MUST pay a price to use it and that includes the growing pains of upgrading to newer OS's and software applications. Five years from now I would bet my house that we'll be having the exact same discussion around staying on Vista and not adopting the newest OS. Windows 7 has SOME help with issues like UAC. The most important features of Windows 7 ... just like Vista ... are mostly buried deep under the covers where most people never see ... or even know. Things like better device driver managers, better graphics driver managers, MUCH STRONGER SECURITY to protect us from the assholes that write virus & worms and malicious software. If you have to direct you ire somewhere direct it at these shits that cost all of BILLIONS of dollars each year in lost productivity, lost data, infected systems, etc. But, like new technology and new OS's ... don't have any expectations for positive change ... if anything it will get worse. And this is really what drive the absolute necessity for newer ... and BETTER ... OS's. Guess that's my nickel's worth. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:08 PM To: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Just so everyone is clear better than 98% of blue screens in Vista are due to bad drivers from THIRD parties. There are over 500,000 drivers for windows out there. Until the hardware vendors will actually follow the guidelines this sort of thing happens. The devices teams do all they can to stop this but there's only so much control that can be exercised. b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:05 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years I've become accustomed to it. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... (running Vista fine on 4 systems) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Bill; Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From john_lyngdal at verizon.net Fri Dec 12 11:00:24 2008 From: john_lyngdal at verizon.net (John Lyngdal) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:00:24 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211121719.03375288@mail.iinet.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D25B0EA@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1299DB772C141340B34631B5C0F53688015982554F@us-bv-m11.global.tektronix.net> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D282E6B@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <002201c95c8b$e47f0930$ad7d1b90$@net> Just to clarify my situation. We purchased a new factory configured Dell computer just after it was released. I didn't add any software, and was suffering the conditions stated. As Brad mentioned it could have been the drivers, but that wasn't obvious to me. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of MikeM24108 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:57 AM To: 'MikeM24108_2'; 'Brad Wright'; john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA -----Original Message----- From: MikeM24108_2 [mailto:MikeM24108_2 at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:46 AM To: 'Brad Wright'; john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Let me underscore and emphasize Brad's comment below. 99% of ALL blue screens on XP and previous OS releases were due to bad drivers. Drivers are the worst tested (and often the worst written software) offenders in ANY OS. Vista has a completely new driver manager. In three years of running Vista (7x24 on as many as 6-8 machines) I've had fewer than half a dozen blue screens on Vista. And, I have to tell you I REALLY STRESS my machines and have lost of shit loaded & running on them. I would NEVER ... EVER ... move back to XP or any older OS. The FACTS ... not local myth and folklore experience ... is that VISTA is the most robust OS ever released. Check your facts and you will see it is more secure from external threat and more robust than any other OS ... including Linux flavors. This in spite of the fact that it has the largest threat profile (more running copies than other comparable OS's). YES ... I agree ... this comes at a cost. I complain and bitch at the computer asking me about UAC (User Access Control) ... which you can actually set and dial back if you are dumb enough to do so. Go ahead and exposure yourself like XP, etc. I still talk to people today who swear by Windows 95. Luddites come to mind!!!! If you prefer XP fine ... just understand you are explicitly accepting a much, much larger risk using your computer. I have to laugh at this thread. Windows 7 is already available in Beta. None of us can live in the past. Change in computers and technology is the most rapid change we all must face and address. If you want to use a computer than step up and face the raw facts of live ... you MUST pay a price to use it and that includes the growing pains of upgrading to newer OS's and software applications. Five years from now I would bet my house that we'll be having the exact same discussion around staying on Vista and not adopting the newest OS. Windows 7 has SOME help with issues like UAC. The most important features of Windows 7 ... just like Vista ... are mostly buried deep under the covers where most people never see ... or even know. Things like better device driver managers, better graphics driver managers, MUCH STRONGER SECURITY to protect us from the assholes that write virus & worms and malicious software. If you have to direct you ire somewhere direct it at these shits that cost all of BILLIONS of dollars each year in lost productivity, lost data, infected systems, etc. But, like new technology and new OS's ... don't have any expectations for positive change ... if anything it will get worse. And this is really what drive the absolute necessity for newer ... and BETTER ... OS's. Guess that's my nickel's worth. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:08 PM To: john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Just so everyone is clear better than 98% of blue screens in Vista are due to bad drivers from THIRD parties. There are over 500,000 drivers for windows out there. Until the hardware vendors will actually follow the guidelines this sort of thing happens. The devices teams do all they can to stop this but there's only so much control that can be exercised. b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of john.w.lyngdal at tektronix.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:05 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA I've been running Vista since it was first released. The first few months were pure hell... it was unstable and without notice, the blue screen of death would occur. The patches and updates that have been supplied seem to have corrected the problem, but I still like XP better as over the years I've become accustomed to it. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:10 PM To: Paul Bogdanich; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Kind of a rather blanket and harsh statement that's not entirely true..... (running Vista fine on 4 systems) b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bogdanich Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:19 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] WINDOWS VISTA Bill; Do yourself a favor and reload the computer with XP Pro. Vista is just garbage and you will spend more trying to fix it (which will never completely work) than it costs to go back to XP Pro. _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From franklyd62 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 08:55:31 2008 From: franklyd62 at yahoo.com (lloyd humez) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:55:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] batteries 4 altimeters response, ideas for a class!!! Message-ID: <706710.6504.qm@web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> WOW, what a cool discussion about critical part of advanced rocketry!!! I just saw an ad for a cheap battery and the response was like skipping a rock across a lake a hundred times, nicely DONE!!! NOW for my next adventure into rocketeering... At my son's Montessori midschool this last fall , I was asked if I would like to "teach" anything as a elective for five weeks, 90 minutes each Friday. OF course, the ONLY thing that came to mind was ROCKETS!!!!!!!! (ok, hobby and mid-powered - maybe) SO, I have reviewed the educational stuff from NAR and Estes. and hope that I would get at least 10 of 50 middle school-er. NOW NW rocket world... With your vast Knowledge and Experiences, what would be the best way to run this class to enlight and engage these bright kid's? p.s. first class start Jan 9th and we have little or no $ for supplies. From dcarlsons at earthlink.net Sat Dec 13 12:46:09 2008 From: dcarlsons at earthlink.net (Dan Carlson) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:46:09 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] batteries 4 altimeters response, ideas for a class!!! Message-ID: <380-2200812613204690@earthlink.net> Lloyd, Just an idea.... I taught a Space Exploration Merit Badge for our Boy Scout Troop last summer. One of the requirements is to successfully build and fly a model rocket twice. We completed the merit badge over 3 months with the conclusion being a launch at the Oregon Rocketry launch in Sheridan OR. Very good stuff, and a lot of fun. There is a wealth of info about this subject online. Perhaps the best site I found specific to the merit badge requirements was here: http://www.rocketmime.com/space/space.html Depending on your age group, the merit badge books are also really helpful for the kids. They are only $4.95 each and they can be purchased at a local scout shop. We charged each scout $20 for the class and that enabled me to purchase rockets, motors, merit badge books, and supplies. My total costs were around $200, and with 10 scouts we came out about right. I ordered the bulk rockets and motors online through Discount Rocketry http://www.discountrocketry.com/ Here are a couple other websites I found very helpful. We have also used these resources to teach kids in our home school co-op. Scout Merit Badge Site http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Merit_Badges http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Space_Exploration Solar System Lessons: http://www.noao.edu/education/peppercorn/pcmain.html http://www.laep.org/target/SMART/sunrise/47unit.html#lessons Telescope Lesson http://amazing-space.stsci.edu/resources/explorations/groundup/ Moon Lesson http://www.eduref.org/cgi-bin/printlessons.cgi/Virtual/Lessons/Science/Space_Sciences/SPA0028.html Space / Discovery Website - Very good space video you can incorporate into the class and you may be able to check out from your local library. http://dsc.discovery.com/space/ And, of course... NASA has a ton of stuff. http://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/index.html One other suggestion. Get lots of adult help if you can. I had two adults and two older scouts helping, with 10 scouts during the rocket building, and one adult helping when we had classroom teaching. This was about right. I also assigned the other adults to teach sections they were comfy with. This worked well and gave me a break as this takes a lot of time, but is well worth it. Very rewarding. Good Luck! -Dan Carlson > [Original Message] > From: lloyd humez > To: > Date: 12/13/2008 8:55:31 AM > Subject: [RocketsNW] batteries 4 altimeters response, ideas for a class!!! > > WOW, what a cool discussion about critical part of > advanced rocketry!!! > > I just saw an ad for a cheap battery and the response > was like skipping a rock across a lake a hundred > times, nicely DONE!!! > > NOW for my next adventure into rocketeering... > > At my son's Montessori midschool this last fall , I > was asked if I would like to "teach" anything as a > elective for five weeks, 90 minutes each Friday. > > OF course, the ONLY thing that came to mind was > ROCKETS!!!!!!!! > (ok, hobby and mid-powered - maybe) > > SO, I have reviewed the educational stuff from NAR and > Estes. > and hope that I would get at least 10 of 50 middle > school-er. > > NOW NW rocket world... With your vast Knowledge and > Experiences, what would be the best way to run this > class to enlight and engage these bright kid's? > > p.s. first class start Jan 9th and we have little or > no $ for supplies. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > -------------- next part -------------- Lloyd, Just an idea....? I taught a Space Exploration Merit Badge for our Boy Scout Troop last summer.? One of the requirements is to successfully build and fly a model rocket twice.? We completed the merit badge over 3 months with the conclusion being a launch at the Oregon Rocketry launch in Sheridan OR.? Very good stuff, and a lot of fun.? There is a wealth of info about?this subject online.? Perhaps the best site I found specific to the merit badge requirements was here: ? http://www.rocketmime.com/space/space.html http://www.rocketmime.com/space/space.html Depending on your age group, the merit badge books are also really helpful for the kids.? They are only $4.95 each and they can be purchased at a local scout shop.? We charged each scout $20 for the class and?that enabled me to purchase rockets, motors, merit badge books, and supplies.? My total costs were around $200, and with 10 scouts we came out about right.? I ordered the bulk rockets and motors online through Discount Rocketry http://www.discountrocketry.com/ http://www.discountrocketry.com/ Here are a couple other websites I found very helpful.??We have also used these resources to teach kids in our home school co-op. ? Scout Merit Badge Site http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Merit_Badges http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Merit_Badges http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Space_Exploration http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Space_Exploration ? Solar System Lessons: http://www.noao.edu/education/peppercorn/pcmain.html http://www.noao.edu/education/peppercorn/pcmain.html http://www.laep.org/target/SMART/sunrise/47unit.html#lessons http://www.laep.org/target/SMART/sunrise/47unit.html#lessons ? Telescope Lesson http://amazing-space.stsci.edu/resources/explorations/groundup/ http://amazing-space.stsci.edu/resources/explorations/groundup/ ? Moon Lesson http://www.eduref.org/cgi-bin/printlessons.cgi/Virtual/Lessons/Science/Space_Sciences/SPA0028.html http://www.eduref.org/cgi-bin/printlessons.cgi/Virtual/Lessons/Science/Space_Sciences/SPA0028.html Space / Discovery Website - Very good space video you can incorporate into the class and you may be able to check out from your local library. http://dsc.discovery.com/space/ http://dsc.discovery.com/space/ ? And, of course... NASA has a ton of stuff. http://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/index.html http://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/index.html ? One other suggestion.? Get lots of adult help if you can.? I had two adults and two older scouts helping, with 10 scouts during the rocket building, and one adult helping when we had classroom teaching.? This was about right.? I also assigned the other adults to teach sections they were comfy with.? This worked well and gave me a break as this takes a lot of time, but is well worth it.? Very rewarding.? Good Luck! -Dan Carlson ? > [Original Message] > From: lloyd humez > To: > Date: 12/13/2008 8:55:31 AM > Subject: [RocketsNW] batteries 4 altimeters response, ideas for a class!!! > > WOW, what a cool discussion about critical part of > advanced rocketry!!! > > I just saw an ad for a cheap battery and the response > was like skipping a rock across a lake a hundred > times, nicely DONE!!! > > NOW for my next adventure into rocketeering... > > At my son's? Montessori midschool this last fall , I > was asked? if I would like to "teach" anything as a > elective for five weeks, 90 minutes each Friday. > > OF course, the ONLY thing that came to mind was > ROCKETS!!!!!!!! > (ok, hobby and mid-powered - maybe) > > SO, I have reviewed the educational stuff from NAR and > Estes. > and hope that I would get at least 10 of 50 middle > school-er. > > NOW NW rocket world... With your vast Knowledge and > Experiences, what would be the best way to run this > class to enlight and engage these bright kid's? > > p.s. first class start Jan 9th and we have little or > no $ for supplies. > > >?????? > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >?? From dougstuiv at onlinenw.com Sat Dec 13 17:24:01 2008 From: dougstuiv at onlinenw.com (Doug Stuivenga) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:24:01 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Digest, Vol 11, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <41A22A7616474511821D6A073176DBD9@dougstuivenga> Funds for Rocketry activities in the classroom can be obtained from American Institue of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA). I think it's a $200 limit per request and $1,000 per school per year. You have to be a teacher (have the teacher join and apply) but I believe there's no cost to join. Check out http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=244 However, this may not work with your short timeline. Doug at McNary High School in Keizer, OR -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of rockets-request at rocketsnw.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:00 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Rockets Digest, Vol 11, Issue 27 Send Rockets mailing list submissions to rockets at rocketsnw.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rockets-request at rocketsnw.com You can reach the person managing the list at rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..." Today's Topics: 1. batteries 4 altimeters response, ideas for a class!!! (lloyd humez) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:55:31 -0800 (PST) From: lloyd humez Subject: [RocketsNW] batteries 4 altimeters response, ideas for a class!!! To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: <706710.6504.qm at web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 WOW, what a cool discussion about critical part of advanced rocketry!!! I just saw an ad for a cheap battery and the response was like skipping a rock across a lake a hundred times, nicely DONE!!! NOW for my next adventure into rocketeering... At my son's Montessori midschool this last fall , I was asked if I would like to "teach" anything as a elective for five weeks, 90 minutes each Friday. OF course, the ONLY thing that came to mind was ROCKETS!!!!!!!! (ok, hobby and mid-powered - maybe) SO, I have reviewed the educational stuff from NAR and Estes. and hope that I would get at least 10 of 50 middle school-er. NOW NW rocket world... With your vast Knowledge and Experiences, what would be the best way to run this class to enlight and engage these bright kid's? p.s. first class start Jan 9th and we have little or no $ for supplies. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets End of Rockets Digest, Vol 11, Issue 27 *************************************** From tfish38 at aol.com Sat Dec 13 18:36:49 2008 From: tfish38 at aol.com (tfish38 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:36:49 -0500 Subject: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule Message-ID: <8CB2BABF2E5B5F6-D5C-17FB@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> I know a few of you venture out to a few of our launches. Here is a link to AeroPac's 2009 schedule. http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html If anyone has any questions feel free to contact me. Tony Alcocer AeroPac -------------- next part -------------- I know a few of you venture out to a few of our launches. Here is a link to AeroPac's 2009 schedule. http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html If anyone has any questions feel free to contact me. Tony Alcocer AeroPac Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations ? including songs for the holidays ? FREE while you browse. http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013 Start Listening Now ! From greg at bigredbee.com Sat Dec 13 18:44:25 2008 From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:44:25 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule In-Reply-To: <8CB2BABF2E5B5F6-D5C-17FB@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB2BABF2E5B5F6-D5C-17FB@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Is BALLS the weekend before? On 12/13/08, tfish38 at aol.com wrote: > I know a few of you venture out to a few of our launches. Here is a link to AeroPac's 2009 schedule. > http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html > If anyone has any questions feel free to contact me. > Tony Alcocer > AeroPac > Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations ? including songs for the holidays ? FREE while you browse. http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013 Start Listening Now > ! > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From tfish38 at aol.com Sat Dec 13 19:15:42 2008 From: tfish38 at aol.com (tfish38 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:15:42 -0500 Subject: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule In-Reply-To: References: <8CB2BABF2E5B5F6-D5C-17FB@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB2BB161EEB945-D5C-18E9@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Greg, I have not heard the Balls dates yet. I did send??and e-mail to??Mark??letting him know??our dates..(same weekends as last year). If I hear anything I will post it here. Tony ??Message----- From: Greg Clark To: tfish38 at aol.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule Is BALLS the weekend before? On 12/13/08, tfish38 at aol.com wrote: I know a few of you venture out to a few of our launches. Here is a link to eroPac's 2009 schedule. http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html If anyone has any questions feel free to contact me. Tony Alcocer AeroPac Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations ??? including songs for the olidays ??? FREE while you browse. http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013 tart Listening Now ! _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Greg, I have not heard the Balls dates yet. I did send?and e-mail to?Mark?letting him know?our dates..(same weekends as last year). If I hear anything I will post it here. Tony ?Message----- From: Greg Clark To: tfish38 at aol.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule Is BALLS the weekend before? On 12/13/08, mailto:tfish38 at aol.com tfish38 at aol.com < mailto:tfish38 at aol.com tfish38 at aol.com > wrote: > I know a few of you venture out to a few of our launches. Here is a link to AeroPac's 2009 schedule. > http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html > If anyone has any questions feel free to contact me. > Tony Alcocer > AeroPac > Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations ??? including songs for the holidays ??? FREE while you browse. http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013 http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013 Start Listening Now > ! > > _________________________ ______________________ > Rockets mailing list > mailto:Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations ? including songs for the holidays ? FREE while you browse. http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013 Start Listening Now ! From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Sat Dec 13 20:16:32 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:16:32 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule In-Reply-To: <8CB2BB161EEB945-D5C-18E9@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB2BABF2E5B5F6-D5C-17FB@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> <8CB2BB161EEB945-D5C-18E9@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D330B8F@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Seems like XPRS is scheduled this year the SAME weekend BALLS was last year. It's not the same as last year which had XPRS the weekend before the last one in Sept. b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of tfish38 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:16 PM To: greg at bigredbee.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule Greg, I have not heard the Balls dates yet. I did send and e-mail to Mark letting him know our dates..(same weekends as last year). If I hear anything I will post it here. Tony Message----- From: Greg Clark To: tfish38 at aol.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule Is BALLS the weekend before? On 12/13/08, tfish38 at aol.com wrote: I know a few of you venture out to a few of our launches. Here is a link to eroPac's 2009 schedule. http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html If anyone has any questions feel free to contact me. Tony Alcocer AeroPac Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations ? including songs for the olidays ? FREE while you browse. http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013 tart Listening Now ! _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From absworld at cet.com Sun Dec 14 10:19:32 2008 From: absworld at cet.com (Bob and Ann Yanecek) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:19:32 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule In-Reply-To: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D330B8F@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <8CB2BABF2E5B5F6-D5C-17FB@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> <8CB2BB161EEB945-D5C-18E9@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D330B8F@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <005701c95e18$8362b500$8a281f00$@com> I agree that BALLS has recently fallen on the last weekend of September. If the last weekend is reserved for XPRS next year, would 'ballsy' folks prefer earlier or later? I'm not much in tune with the seasonal weather pattern(s) down there but having an end of season 'local' NW launch would make a later BALLS more problematic than an earlier date. My primary goal for 2009 is redemption from my shred last year so the exact date is less important than being there. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:17 PM To: tfish38 at aol.com; greg at bigredbee.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule Seems like XPRS is scheduled this year the SAME weekend BALLS was last year. It's not the same as last year which had XPRS the weekend before the last one in Sept. b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of tfish38 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:16 PM To: greg at bigredbee.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule Greg, I have not heard the Balls dates yet. I did send and e-mail to Mark letting him know our dates..(same weekends as last year). If I hear anything I will post it here. Tony Message----- From: Greg Clark To: tfish38 at aol.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule Is BALLS the weekend before? On 12/13/08, tfish38 at aol.com wrote: I know a few of you venture out to a few of our launches. Here is a link to eroPac's 2009 schedule. http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html If anyone has any questions feel free to contact me. Tony Alcocer AeroPac Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations including songs for the olidays FREE while you browse. http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013 tart Listening Now ! _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1846 - Release Date: 12/12/2008 6:59 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1848 - Release Date: 12/14/2008 12:28 PM From bradwr at wrightholdings.com Sun Dec 14 11:05:44 2008 From: bradwr at wrightholdings.com (Brad Wright) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:05:44 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule In-Reply-To: <005701c95e18$8362b500$8a281f00$@com> References: <8CB2BABF2E5B5F6-D5C-17FB@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> <8CB2BB161EEB945-D5C-18E9@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D330B8F@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> <005701c95e18$8362b500$8a281f00$@com> Message-ID: <4EC021482946994792D633FF8E22EB0B302D34DE96@BL2PRD0101MB002.prod.exchangelabs.com> Being there is IT! :) Not that we have much say about it but being farther away in time from the burning man cleanup is nice. It does however make the Mansfield Oct and bitter cold one so late. I contend we need to plan on our side at least a 3 week gap between BALLS and Mansfield Oct. b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Ann Yanecek Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:20 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule I agree that BALLS has recently fallen on the last weekend of September. If the last weekend is reserved for XPRS next year, would 'ballsy' folks prefer earlier or later? I'm not much in tune with the seasonal weather pattern(s) down there but having an end of season 'local' NW launch would make a later BALLS more problematic than an earlier date. My primary goal for 2009 is redemption from my shred last year so the exact date is less important than being there. Bob Yanecek -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wright Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:17 PM To: tfish38 at aol.com; greg at bigredbee.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule Seems like XPRS is scheduled this year the SAME weekend BALLS was last year. It's not the same as last year which had XPRS the weekend before the last one in Sept. b -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of tfish38 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:16 PM To: greg at bigredbee.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule Greg, I have not heard the Balls dates yet. I did send and e-mail to Mark letting him know our dates..(same weekends as last year). If I hear anything I will post it here. Tony Message----- From: Greg Clark To: tfish38 at aol.com Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] AeroPac 2009 Schedule Is BALLS the weekend before? On 12/13/08, tfish38 at aol.com wrote: I know a few of you venture out to a few of our launches. Here is a link to eroPac's 2009 schedule. http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html http://www.aeropac.org/schedule.html If anyone has any questions feel free to contact me. 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Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1848 - Release Date: 12/14/2008 12:28 PM _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Mon Dec 15 11:30:00 2008 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:30:00 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials.....Last call...... Message-ID: > >JUST A REMINDER< AEROTECH SALE ENDS Tuesday! Get your orders in >while the price is right, prices go up on Tuesday, 12/16. We can >deliver to FITS, Dayton or Brothers in 2009!!! I have attached a >current price list with hobby and high power motors. Just one other thing, you can get gift certificates for all your rocket friends, makes good stocking stuffers!!!! IF you are thinking of motors, don't wait till the last minute, we are sending our order into Aerotech on NOON on Tuesday, so send you orders in before noon, but you can call in your payment info later in the day. Don't miss out........ Let me know if you have any questions, Thanks, Bob -------------- next part -------------- AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials.....Last call... JUST A REMINDER< AEROTECH SALE ENDS Tuesday! Get your orders in while the price is right, prices go up on Tuesday, 12/16. We can deliver to FITS, Dayton or Brothers in 2009!!! I have attached a current price list with hobby and high power motors. Just one other thing, you can get gift certificates for all your rocket friends, makes good stocking stuffers!!!! IF you are thinking of motors, don't wait till the last minute, we are sending our order into Aerotech on NOON on Tuesday, so send you orders in before noon, but you can call in your payment info later in the day. Don't miss out........ Let me know if you have any questions, Thanks, Bob From fred at azinger.com Mon Dec 15 15:18:23 2008 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:18:23 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials.....Last call...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001601c95f0b$6d4fe000$47efa000$@com> 3 X K805G's please I'd guess they are MSRP of $105 each At 65% of that, they are $68.25 each Time three equals $204.75. I'm guessing == based on Wildman's site. Let me know the details and I'll pay pal. Thanks, -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bob Grossfeld Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:30 AM To: rockets northwest Subject: [RocketsNW] AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials.....Last call...... > >JUST A REMINDER< AEROTECH SALE ENDS Tuesday! Get your orders in while >the price is right, prices go up on Tuesday, 12/16. We can deliver to >FITS, Dayton or Brothers in 2009!!! I have attached a current price >list with hobby and high power motors. Just one other thing, you can get gift certificates for all your rocket friends, makes good stocking stuffers!!!! IF you are thinking of motors, don't wait till the last minute, we are sending our order into Aerotech on NOON on Tuesday, so send you orders in before noon, but you can call in your payment info later in the day. Don't miss out........ Let me know if you have any questions, Thanks, Bob From fred at azinger.com Mon Dec 15 15:19:40 2008 From: fred at azinger.com (Fred Azinger) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:19:40 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials.....Last call...... References: Message-ID: <001701c95f0b$9b9df870$d2d9e950$@com> Woops -- reply-all got me. - Sorry to fill everyone's inbox.... Guess you know what I'll be flying on commercial days. ;-) FredA -----Original Message----- From: Fred Azinger [mailto:fred at azinger.com] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:18 PM To: 'Bob Grossfeld'; 'rockets northwest' Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials.....Last call...... 3 X K805G's please I'd guess they are MSRP of $105 each At 65% of that, they are $68.25 each Time three equals $204.75. I'm guessing == based on Wildman's site. Let me know the details and I'll pay pal. Thanks, -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bob Grossfeld Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:30 AM To: rockets northwest Subject: [RocketsNW] AD: Sunriver Sale.......Aerotech Specials.....Last call...... > >JUST A REMINDER< AEROTECH SALE ENDS Tuesday! Get your orders in while >the price is right, prices go up on Tuesday, 12/16. We can deliver to >FITS, Dayton or Brothers in 2009!!! I have attached a current price >list with hobby and high power motors. Just one other thing, you can get gift certificates for all your rocket friends, makes good stocking stuffers!!!! IF you are thinking of motors, don't wait till the last minute, we are sending our order into Aerotech on NOON on Tuesday, so send you orders in before noon, but you can call in your payment info later in the day. Don't miss out........ Let me know if you have any questions, Thanks, Bob From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 17:28:53 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:28:53 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area Message-ID: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/507.html Perfect rocket flying weather tomorrow!!! Anyone else up for a 60 Acres Launch? Robert From Dunkman2000 at comcast.net Tue Dec 16 19:30:02 2008 From: Dunkman2000 at comcast.net (Mark Dunkle) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:30:02 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] estes starter set Message-ID: <89CA3973897D4722A2451C45536C89A2@Desktop> Is there a hobby store in Vancouver that sells those starter sets? Looks like the weather might make it tough to get out to Tammies. It's the last gift on my list...................Mark -------------- next part -------------- Is there a hobby store in Vancouver that sells those starter sets? Looks like the weather might make it tough to get out to Tammies. It's the last gift on my list...................Mark From appusher at q.com Tue Dec 16 19:38:57 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:38:57 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area In-Reply-To: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yippee!!!! Another opportunity to experiment with the speed of snow!!!!! I'm thinking a Sputnik type vehicle starting with a "C" and progressing thru the Alphabet Ladder till it won't stay together. Tumble recovery, of course. Stay tuned for results. EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:28:53 -0800> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area> > http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/507.html> > Perfect rocket flying weather tomorrow!!! Anyone else up for a 60 Acres > Launch?> > Robert> _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- Yippee!!!! ? Another opportunity to experiment with the speed of snow!!!!! ? I'm thinking a Sputnik type vehicle starting with a "C" and progressing thru the Alphabet Ladder till it won't stay together. Tumble recovery, of course. ? Stay tuned for results. ? ? http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:28:53 -0800 > From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area > > http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/507.html > > Perfect rocket flying weather tomorrow!!! Anyone else up for a 60 Acres > Launch? > > Robert > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From mkquinn at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 20:49:28 2008 From: mkquinn at gmail.com (Mark Quinn) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:49:28 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Got my LEUP Message-ID: <5a1085980812162049m51eef5d0kdad966c0cc90deb4@mail.gmail.com> And what a pleasant journey it was (not). Actually, it wasn't that difficult, but it did take perseverance and patience. And I met a lot of nice, helpful people along the way, including my local fire marshall and ATF agents. And the fingerprint person was dying to go to a launch once I told her what it was for! I applied for storage as well, which I did through a separate AFT office. What I received in the mail was the license (no indication of storage allowance listed), along with a "Notice of Clearance" sheet. Is this notice the storage variance? Or does the variance come separately? It isn't very clear. All I know is, I should finally be able to launch those level 1 rockets I've been storing since I certified last spring! Mark Quinn -------------- next part -------------- And what a pleasant journey it was (not). Actually, it wasn't that difficult, but it did take perseverance and patience. And I met a lot of nice, helpful people along the way, including my local fire marshall and ATF agents. And the fingerprint person was dying to go to a launch once I told her what it was for! ? I applied for storage as well, which I did through a separate AFT office. What I received in the mail was the license (no indication of storage allowance listed), along with a "Notice of Clearance" sheet. Is this notice the storage variance? Or does?the variance?come separately? It isn't very clear.??? ? All I know is, I should finally be able to launch those?level 1 rockets I've been storing since I certified?last spring! ? Mark Quinn From stefan_jones at comcast.net Tue Dec 16 20:56:49 2008 From: stefan_jones at comcast.net (stefan_jones at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:56:49 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] estes starter set Message-ID: <121720080456.19682.49488691000E80A200004CE222007348309C0A020106A1020E000A9B9C@comcast.net> Mark: Michael's craft and hobby stores usually have several starter sets. Some have mini rockets. Others have one or even two "RTF" models. Make sure it is a starter set and not a "flight kit." The latter don't have motors. Of course, you could always get motors later. The Sunday paper had a flyer from the chain with a 40% off coupon. That brings the price under $20! -- http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mark Dunkle" > Is there a hobby store in Vancouver that sells those starter sets? Looks like > the weather might make it tough to get out to Tammies. It's the last gift on my > list...................Mark -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Mark Dunkle" Subject: [RocketsNW] estes starter set Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:30:42 +0000 Size: 1535 Url: http://mx1.blastzone.com/pipermail/rockets/attachments/20081217/1b6d499c/attachment.eml From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 21:32:42 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:32:42 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Got my LEUP References: <5a1085980812162049m51eef5d0kdad966c0cc90deb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003601c96008$e2f71be0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> 1.Do not sign or date the original, yet 2. Make a couple dozen copies of the unsigned lic. Sign and date those when you give them to your vendors. Vendors often prefer you to sign and date when providing a copy. The copy is ok, but they like an ink signature, not a copy of the signature. As for storage, you are required to have one, period. So if you have no listing under Contingent Storage, then your variance was approved. In Oregon you must have, a) adequate storage, b) approved variance, or 3) named contingent storage (some others location). So I'd take your NoC as the approved variance. Might want to confirm with local AFT. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Quinn" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:49 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Got my LEUP > And what a pleasant journey it was (not). Actually, it wasn't that > difficult, but it did take perseverance and patience. And I met a lot of > nice, helpful people along the way, including my local fire marshall and > ATF > agents. And the fingerprint person was dying to go to a launch once I told > her what it was for! > > I applied for storage as well, which I did through a separate AFT office. > What I received in the mail was the license (no indication of storage > allowance listed), along with a "Notice of Clearance" sheet. Is this > notice > the storage variance? Or does the variance come separately? It isn't very > clear. > > All I know is, I should finally be able to launch those level 1 rockets > I've > been storing since I certified last spring! > > Mark Quinn > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 21:44:32 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:44:32 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Got my LEUP Message-ID: <004101c9600a$8a2af3e0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Before I get yelled at, I did say confirm with local AFT what the NoC means. Also, one warning. Some vendors/companies request your social serial number as part of their requied information to do biz. Our local vendors have never asked. Appreciate that. As my AFT guy told me, "the social security number with a vendor is not required. Required info is all that is reviewed." If a vendor requires it, walk away. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Krausert" To: "Mark Quinn" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Got my LEUP > 1.Do not sign or date the original, yet > 2. Make a couple dozen copies of the unsigned lic. > > Sign and date those when you give them to your vendors. Vendors often > prefer you to sign and date when providing a copy. The copy is ok, but > they like an ink signature, not a copy of the signature. > > > As for storage, you are required to have one, period. So if you have no > listing under Contingent Storage, then your variance was approved. In > Oregon you must have, a) adequate storage, b) approved variance, or 3) > named contingent storage (some others location). So I'd take your NoC as > the approved variance. Might want to confirm with local AFT. > > Cheers, > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Quinn" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:49 PM > Subject: [RocketsNW] Got my LEUP > > >> And what a pleasant journey it was (not). Actually, it wasn't that >> difficult, but it did take perseverance and patience. And I met a lot of >> nice, helpful people along the way, including my local fire marshall and >> ATF >> agents. And the fingerprint person was dying to go to a launch once I >> told >> her what it was for! >> >> I applied for storage as well, which I did through a separate AFT office. >> What I received in the mail was the license (no indication of storage >> allowance listed), along with a "Notice of Clearance" sheet. Is this >> notice >> the storage variance? Or does the variance come separately? It isn't very >> clear. >> >> All I know is, I should finally be able to launch those level 1 rockets >> I've >> been storing since I certified last spring! >> >> Mark Quinn >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > From larrycolvin121 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 00:40:43 2008 From: larrycolvin121 at yahoo.com (Larry Colvin) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:40:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] estes starter set Message-ID: <524027.79765.qm@web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The Wal Mart in Bend sells started sets for $15-$23, depending on which RTF rocket is included.? Launch pad is there, but no motors.? I don't know if all Wal Marts carry them, however.? I've never seen model rockets at the Bend Michael's.? So each community is different. ? Also, Sunriver?Nature Center??can probably find you a good?deal in the rocket shop?and mail it out tomorrow.? You won't even have to drive in the snow!? And?they have?motors.? ? Larry --- On Tue, 12/16/08, stefan_jones at comcast.net wrote: From: stefan_jones at comcast.net Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] estes starter set To: "Mark Dunkle" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:56 PM Mark: Michael's craft and hobby stores usually have several starter sets. Some have mini rockets. Others have one or even two "RTF" models. Make sure it is a starter set and not a "flight kit." The latter don't have motors. Of course, you could always get motors later. The Sunday paper had a flyer from the chain with a 40% off coupon. That brings the price under $20! -- http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mark Dunkle" > Is there a hobby store in Vancouver that sells those starter sets? Looks like > the weather might make it tough to get out to Tammies. It's the last gift on my > list...................Mark -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? -------------- next part -------------- The Wal Mart in Bend sells started sets for $15-$23, depending on which RTF rocket is included.? Launch pad is there, but no motors.? I don't know if all Wal Marts carry them, however.? I've never seen model rockets at the Bend Michael's.? So each community is different. ? Also, Sunriver?Nature Center??can probably find you a good?deal in the rocket shop?and mail it out tomorrow.? You won't even have to drive in the snow!? And?they have?motors.? ? Larry --- On Tue, 12/16/08, stefan_jones at comcast.net wrote: From: stefan_jones at comcast.net Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] estes starter set To: "Mark Dunkle" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:56 PM Mark: Michael's craft and hobby stores usually have several starter sets. Some have mini rockets. Others have one or even two "RTF" models. Make sure it is a starter set and not a "flight kit." The latter don't have motors. Of course, you could always get motors later. The Sunday paper had a flyer from the chain with a 40% off coupon. That brings the price under $20! -- http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mark Dunkle" < http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Dunkman2000 at comcast.net Dunkman2000 at comcast.net > > Is there a hobby store in Vancouver that sells those starter sets? Looks like > the weather might make it tough to get out to Tammies. It's the last gift on my > list...................Mark -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From larrycolvin121 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 00:47:27 2008 From: larrycolvin121 at yahoo.com (larrycolvin121 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:47:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] estes starter set Message-ID: <220435.72681.qm@web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The Wal Mart in Bend sells started sets for $15-$23, depending on which RTF rocket is included.? Launch pad is there, but no motors.? I don't know if all Wal Marts carry them, however.? I've never seen model rockets at the Bend Michael's.? So each community is different. ? Also, Sunriver?Nature Center??can probably find you a good?deal in the rocket shop?and mail it out tomorrow.? You won't even have to drive in the snow!? And?they have?motors.? ? Larry --- On Tue, 12/16/08, stefan_jones at comcast.net wrote: From: stefan_jones at comcast.net Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] estes starter set To: "Mark Dunkle" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:56 PM Mark: Michael's craft and hobby stores usually have several starter sets. Some have mini rockets. Others have one or even two "RTF" models. Make sure it is a starter set and not a "flight kit." The latter don't have motors. Of course, you could always get motors later. The Sunday paper had a flyer from the chain with a 40% off coupon. That brings the price under $20! -- http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mark Dunkle" > Is there a hobby store in Vancouver that sells those starter sets? Looks like > the weather might make it tough to get out to Tammies. It's the last gift on my > list...................Mark -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? -------------- next part -------------- The Wal Mart in Bend sells started sets for $15-$23, depending on which RTF rocket is included.? Launch pad is there, but no motors.? I don't know if all Wal Marts carry them, however.? I've never seen model rockets at the Bend Michael's.? So each community is different. ? Also, Sunriver?Nature Center??can probably find you a good?deal in the rocket shop?and mail it out tomorrow.? You won't even have to drive in the snow!? And?they have?motors.? ? Larry --- On Tue, 12/16/08, stefan_jones at comcast.net wrote: From: stefan_jones at comcast.net Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] estes starter set To: "Mark Dunkle" , rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:56 PM Mark: Michael's craft and hobby stores usually have several starter sets. Some have mini rockets. Others have one or even two "RTF" models. Make sure it is a starter set and not a "flight kit." The latter don't have motors. Of course, you could always get motors later. The Sunday paper had a flyer from the chain with a 40% off coupon. That brings the price under $20! -- http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones http://home.comcast.net/~stefan_jones -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mark Dunkle" < http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Dunkman2000 at comcast.net Dunkman2000 at comcast.net > > Is there a hobby store in Vancouver that sells those starter sets? Looks like > the weather might make it tough to get out to Tammies. It's the last gift on my > list...................Mark -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Rockets at rocketsnw.com Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets ? From dmrandall at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 06:38:48 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:38:48 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area In-Reply-To: References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy Dave From clappfamily at comcast.net Wed Dec 17 06:57:00 2008 From: clappfamily at comcast.net (clappfamily at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [RocketsNW] estes starter set In-Reply-To: <89CA3973897D4722A2451C45536C89A2@Desktop> Message-ID: <228413227.890011229525820678.JavaMail.root@sz0014a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> There is a small hobby shop across the street from Costco in Vancouver.?? It's next to the Starbucks on the road into Home Depot.?? The last time I was in the store it had a number of Estes kits.?? I don't know if it has what you want but it might. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Dunkle" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:30:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] estes starter set Is there a hobby store in Vancouver that sells those starter sets? Looks like the weather might make it tough to get out to Tammies. It's the last gift on my list...................Mark _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- There is a small hobby shop across the street from Costco in Vancouver.? It's next to the Starbucks on the road into Home Depot.? The last time I was in the store it had a number of Estes kits.? I don't know if it has what you want but it might. ? ? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Dunkle" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:30:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] estes starter set Is there a hobby store in Vancouver that sells those starter sets? Looks like the weather might make it tough to get out to Tammies. It's the last gift on my list...................Mark _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From sb at berfield.com Wed Dec 17 08:45:41 2008 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:45:41 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM To: Bill Munds Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From krislhull at comcast.net Wed Dec 17 09:26:53 2008 From: krislhull at comcast.net (Kristopher Hull) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:26:53 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] estes starter set In-Reply-To: <228413227.890011229525820678.JavaMail.root@sz0014a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <89CA3973897D4722A2451C45536C89A2@Desktop> <228413227.890011229525820678.JavaMail.root@sz0014a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001801c9606c$a7d44290$f77cc7b0$@net> That is a Hobbytown USA... They do have a decent supply of Estes stuff, from what I can remember from a year and a half ago... Kris -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of clappfamily at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:57 AM To: Mark Dunkle Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] estes starter set There is a small hobby shop across the street from Costco in Vancouver. It's next to the Starbucks on the road into Home Depot. The last time I was in the store it had a number of Estes kits. I don't know if it has what you want but it might. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Dunkle" To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:30:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [RocketsNW] estes starter set Is there a hobby store in Vancouver that sells those starter sets? Looks like the weather might make it tough to get out to Tammies. It's the last gift on my list...................Mark _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Wed Dec 17 09:58:50 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:58:50 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch In-Reply-To: <002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> <002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> Message-ID: <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net> How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? The ground will certainly be frozen and no soccer games are scheduled AFAIK. BYOGSE and dress warmly. I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? The winter solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a great way to celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. Anyone else interested? Robert Scott Berfield wrote: > If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Dave Randall > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM > To: Bill Munds > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle > metro area > > Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. > Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! > > http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From dmrandall at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 10:25:48 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:25:48 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch In-Reply-To: <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> <002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6bc920e40812171025h3ecfea86nc4a2c55dc8cb3b9@mail.gmail.com> Sounds great. I have some 18 and 24mm rockets that are perfect for 60 Acres N. I'll bring my GSE and can share. "Frost & Fire 2008" is a go! dave On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Hammer wrote: > How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? The ground will > certainly be frozen and no soccer games are scheduled AFAIK. BYOGSE and > dress warmly. > > I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. > > Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? The winter > solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a great way to > celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. > > Anyone else interested? > > Robert > > Scott Berfield wrote: >> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >> On Behalf Of Dave Randall >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM >> To: Bill Munds >> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle >> metro area >> >> Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. >> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! >> >> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy >> >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Wed Dec 17 10:46:30 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:46:30 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch In-Reply-To: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> <002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <49494906.1020604@earthlink.net> For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 Acres Park it is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the location on Google Maps. *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th Street, Redmond, WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park with parking available on south field near the northwest corner right next to the river. Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras which look at both the north and south fields. http://www.60acres.org/home.html Now if we could just hook up some microphones for sound.... I'll bring my camera to document the fun. Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are invited to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And since the place will be deserted both fields can be used for launch and recovery. Wahoo! Robert Krausert, Robert wrote: > Hi Robert, > Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? I've heard many of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located. > > Sounds like a fun event. > Cheers, > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch > > How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? The ground will > certainly be frozen and no soccer games are scheduled AFAIK. BYOGSE and > dress warmly. > > I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. > > Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? The winter > solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a great way to > celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. > > Anyone else interested? > > Robert > > Scott Berfield wrote: > >> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >> On Behalf Of Dave Randall >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM >> To: Bill Munds >> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle >> metro area >> >> Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. >> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! >> >> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy >> >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From mrrominwa at yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 12:25:19 2008 From: mrrominwa at yahoo.com (dave woodard) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:25:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <290108.74277.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Bill? did you forget we already been to?a ice launch at brothers this year --- On Wed, 12/17/08, Dave Randall wrote: From: Dave Randall Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area To: "Bill Munds" Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 6:38 AM Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Bill? did you forget we already been to?a ice launch at brothers this year --- On Wed, 12/17/08, Dave Randall wrote: From: Dave Randall Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area To: "Bill Munds" Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 6:38 AM Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From appusher at q.com Wed Dec 17 15:44:05 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:44:05 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area In-Reply-To: <290108.74277.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> <290108.74277.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't really have a need to go to 60acres, I have a "A".."B" field right out the back door EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:25:19 -0800From: mrrominwa at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro areaTo: appusher at q.com; dmrandall at gmail.comCC: rockets at rocketsnw.com Bill did you forget we already been to a ice launch at brothers this year--- On Wed, 12/17/08, Dave Randall wrote: From: Dave Randall Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro areaTo: "Bill Munds" Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.comDate: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 6:38 AMPhotos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- I don't really have a need to go to 60acres,? I have a "A".."B"? field right out the back door http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:25:19 -0800 From: mrrominwa at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area To: appusher at q.com; dmrandall at gmail.com CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com Bill? did you forget we already been to?a ice launch at brothers this year --- On Wed, 12/17/08, Dave Randall wrote: From: Dave Randall Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area To: "Bill Munds" Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 6:38 AM Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com Thu Dec 18 10:21:43 2008 From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:21:43 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch In-Reply-To: <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com><002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081217B5@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> I'm interseted! -----Original Message----- From: Hammer [mailto:hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? The ground will certainly be frozen and no soccer games are scheduled AFAIK. BYOGSE and dress warmly. I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? The winter solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a great way to celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. Anyone else interested? Robert Scott Berfield wrote: > If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Dave Randall > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM > To: Bill Munds > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and > Seattle metro area > > Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. > Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! > > http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bwhitemarsh at comcast.net Thu Dec 18 10:52:56 2008 From: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net (bwhitemarsh at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch Message-ID: <2134504369.630671229626376253.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Sounds fun.?? I've never been there.?? Are we talking strictly model stuff or can we bring some lower-flying mid power as well? Bryan Whitemarsh -------------- next part -------------- Sounds fun.? I've never been there.? Are we talking strictly model stuff or can we bring some lower-flying mid power as well? ? Bryan Whitemarsh From winningstad at comcast.net Thu Dec 18 11:07:18 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:07:18 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch In-Reply-To: <2134504369.630671229626376253.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2134504369.630671229626376253.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <239FDF61E61A4414ABB7FE9849779BD9@downstair> FAR 101!!! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of bwhitemarsh at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:53 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch Sounds fun.? I've never been there.? Are we talking strictly model stuff or can we bring some lower-flying mid power as well? Bryan Whitemarsh From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Thu Dec 18 13:07:28 2008 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:07:28 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch References: <2134504369.630671229626376253.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <239FDF61E61A4414ABB7FE9849779BD9@downstair> Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99A8@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Dennis is right. FAR 101 rules only. Anyone wanting to fly the "large mid power" should call Sea-Tac approach control personally--don't rely on anyone else to do it for you. Sixty will accomodate E and F powered flights with ease, although G is rather dicey--more likely than not you won't keep it on the field, and it's no fun hacking your way through the overgrowth when there isn't several inches of snow out there. Some of my students and I might be interested in coming out--depending on driving conditions. Peter Schurke Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA ________________________________ From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Dennis Winningstad Sent: Thu 12/18/2008 11:07 AM To: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch FAR 101!!! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of bwhitemarsh at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:53 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch Sounds fun. I've never been there. Are we talking strictly model stuff or can we bring some lower-flying mid power as well? Bryan Whitemarsh _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Thu Dec 18 13:31:40 2008 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:31:40 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> <002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> <49494906.1020604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AA@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Hey there, rocketry fans, Sunday 12/21 is forecast to have another dump of snow. Not really conducive to a launch. Saturday 12/20 is looking clearer. Just a suggestion... Peter Schurke Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA ________________________________ From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 10:46 AM To: Krausert, Robert; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 Acres Park it is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the location on Google Maps. *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th Street, Redmond, WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park with parking available on south field near the northwest corner right next to the river. Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras which look at both the north and south fields. http://www.60acres.org/home.html Now if we could just hook up some microphones for sound.... I'll bring my camera to document the fun. Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are invited to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And since the place will be deserted both fields can be used for launch and recovery. Wahoo! Robert Krausert, Robert wrote: > Hi Robert, > Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? I've heard many of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located. > > Sounds like a fun event. > Cheers, > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch > > How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? The ground will > certainly be frozen and no soccer games are scheduled AFAIK. BYOGSE and > dress warmly. > > I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. > > Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? The winter > solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a great way to > celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. > > Anyone else interested? > > Robert > > Scott Berfield wrote: > >> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >> On Behalf Of Dave Randall >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM >> To: Bill Munds >> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle >> metro area >> >> Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. >> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! >> >> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy >> >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com Thu Dec 18 13:59:05 2008 From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:59:05 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99A8@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> References: <2134504369.630671229626376253.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><239FDF61E61A4414ABB7FE9849779BD9@downstair> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99A8@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081217B7@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> I've got a big Sat V from VanMilligan that only gets about 800ft on a G64. Perfect for an impressive 60 acres launch. steve -----Original Message----- From: Schurke, Peter [mailto:pmschurke at seattleschools.org] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:07 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch Dennis is right. FAR 101 rules only. Anyone wanting to fly the "large mid power" should call Sea-Tac approach control personally--don't rely on anyone else to do it for you. Sixty will accomodate E and F powered flights with ease, although G is rather dicey--more likely than not you won't keep it on the field, and it's no fun hacking your way through the overgrowth when there isn't several inches of snow out there. Some of my students and I might be interested in coming out--depending on driving conditions. Peter Schurke Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA ________________________________ From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Dennis Winningstad Sent: Thu 12/18/2008 11:07 AM To: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch FAR 101!!! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of bwhitemarsh at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:53 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch Sounds fun. I've never been there. Are we talking strictly model stuff or can we bring some lower-flying mid power as well? Bryan Whitemarsh _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From winningstad at comcast.net Thu Dec 18 15:26:01 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:26:01 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch In-Reply-To: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081217B7@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> References: <2134504369.630671229626376253.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><239FDF61E61A4414ABB7FE9849779BD9@downstair><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99A8@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081217B7@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: <7AE0521B8A864AF2930AE5879850AD47@downstair> The important thing isn't the motor (unless it violates FAR 101) it is altitude. That Saturn at 800' on a G64...YES! An extreme example: Scaled up Estes Snitch (Flying Saucer) on a M1939 that went to 900'...of course that violates Far 101, but it would be fantastic at Sheridan! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bloom, Steven E Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:59 PM To: Schurke, Peter; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch I've got a big Sat V from VanMilligan that only gets about 800ft on a G64. Perfect for an impressive 60 acres launch. steve -----Original Message----- From: Schurke, Peter [mailto:pmschurke at seattleschools.org] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:07 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch Dennis is right. FAR 101 rules only. Anyone wanting to fly the "large mid power" should call Sea-Tac approach control personally--don't rely on anyone else to do it for you. Sixty will accomodate E and F powered flights with ease, although G is rather dicey--more likely than not you won't keep it on the field, and it's no fun hacking your way through the overgrowth when there isn't several inches of snow out there. Some of my students and I might be interested in coming out--depending on driving conditions. Peter Schurke Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA ________________________________ From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Dennis Winningstad Sent: Thu 12/18/2008 11:07 AM To: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch FAR 101!!! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of bwhitemarsh at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:53 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch Sounds fun. I've never been there. Are we talking strictly model stuff or can we bring some lower-flying mid power as well? Bryan Whitemarsh _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From robert.krausert at intel.com Thu Dec 18 15:27:51 2008 From: robert.krausert at intel.com (Krausert, Robert) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:27:51 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch In-Reply-To: <7AE0521B8A864AF2930AE5879850AD47@downstair> References: <2134504369.630671229626376253.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><239FDF61E61A4414ABB7FE9849779BD9@downstair><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99A8@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081217B7@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> <7AE0521B8A864AF2930AE5879850AD47@downstair> Message-ID: <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD83CC6@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> This is a great video. This was filmed on December 15, 08, in the Macadam Waterfront neighborhood of Portland, OR. Looking from his condo, this guy filmed the hill for 3 hrs, he could see cars attempting the hill and thought it would be great to film this. Most cars failed to climb up the hill to get out of the neighborhood. Perfect music that he put to this as well! http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-164378?ref=email -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Winningstad Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:26 PM To: 'Bloom, Steven E'; 'Schurke, Peter'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch The important thing isn't the motor (unless it violates FAR 101) it is altitude. That Saturn at 800' on a G64...YES! An extreme example: Scaled up Estes Snitch (Flying Saucer) on a M1939 that went to 900'...of course that violates Far 101, but it would be fantastic at Sheridan! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bloom, Steven E Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:59 PM To: Schurke, Peter; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch I've got a big Sat V from VanMilligan that only gets about 800ft on a G64. Perfect for an impressive 60 acres launch. steve -----Original Message----- From: Schurke, Peter [mailto:pmschurke at seattleschools.org] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:07 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch Dennis is right. FAR 101 rules only. Anyone wanting to fly the "large mid power" should call Sea-Tac approach control personally--don't rely on anyone else to do it for you. Sixty will accomodate E and F powered flights with ease, although G is rather dicey--more likely than not you won't keep it on the field, and it's no fun hacking your way through the overgrowth when there isn't several inches of snow out there. Some of my students and I might be interested in coming out--depending on driving conditions. Peter Schurke Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA ________________________________ From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Dennis Winningstad Sent: Thu 12/18/2008 11:07 AM To: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch FAR 101!!! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of bwhitemarsh at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:53 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 acres winter launch Sounds fun. I've never been there. Are we talking strictly model stuff or can we bring some lower-flying mid power as well? Bryan Whitemarsh _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From MartyWeiser at comcast.net Thu Dec 18 17:12:48 2008 From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty2) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:12:48 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008f01c96176$e8e1b0f0$baa512d0$@net> If we do a launch this weekend in the Spokane area anything less than about 2 ft long will look like it came out of an underground silo. This beat the previous record for 24 hrs of 13" by a fair margin. The schools closed and many businesses declared snow days, but you can get out an about if you want. Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM To: Bill Munds Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From dmrandall at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 19:13:07 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:13:07 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AA@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> <002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> <49494906.1020604@earthlink.net> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AA@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: <6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com> While I appreciate the spirit of Robert's initial proposal for the Frost & Fire (Winter Solstice - ring in the march to spring and warmer weather), I'd rather have a launch than have to scrub a launch - especially one that's informal. So, I propose two changes, date & time. Date: Saturday Dec 20th Time: 11am - 2pm Hopefully we'll all be a bit warmer, drier, and enjoy some nice winter sunshine on fresh fallen snow. I'll be there with my GSE on Saturday at 11 am. I'm happy to share GSE with others. I will have a 12V launcher + pads with various sized rods. Also will have my Aerotech copperhead adapter in case anyone is doing the smaller sized APCP motors. Dave On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Schurke, Peter wrote: > Hey there, rocketry fans, > > Sunday 12/21 is forecast to have another dump of snow. Not really conducive to a launch. > > Saturday 12/20 is looking clearer. > > Just a suggestion... > > Peter Schurke > Teacher and Lead Advisor > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > Ingraham High School > Seattle, WA > > ________________________________ > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer > Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 10:46 AM > To: Krausert, Robert; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > > > > For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 Acres Park it > is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the location on > Google Maps. > *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz > > *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th Street, Redmond, > WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park with > parking available on south field near the northwest corner right next to > the river. > > Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras which > look at both the north and south fields. http://www.60acres.org/home.html > Now if we could just hook up some microphones for sound.... > I'll bring my camera to document the fun. > > Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are invited > to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And since the place > will be deserted both fields can be used for launch and recovery. Wahoo! > > Robert > > > > > Krausert, Robert wrote: >> Hi Robert, >> Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? I've heard many of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located. >> >> Sounds like a fun event. >> Cheers, >> Robert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM >> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch >> >> How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? The ground will >> certainly be frozen and no soccer games are scheduled AFAIK. BYOGSE and >> dress warmly. >> >> I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. >> >> Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? The winter >> solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a great way to >> celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. >> >> Anyone else interested? >> >> Robert >> >> Scott Berfield wrote: >> >>> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM >>> To: Bill Munds >>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle >>> metro area >>> >>> Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. >>> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! >>> >>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy >>> >>> Dave >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Thu Dec 18 21:17:23 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:17:23 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> <002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> <49494906.1020604@earthlink.net> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AA@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> <6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494B2E63.3080707@earthlink.net> It looks like the next major winter storm system is scheduled to arrive in the Seattle area Saturday evening. Shifting it to Saturday, 20DEC08 would probably be wise to do. Having it start at 1100 would give everyone time to get there since the roads will probably still be a little dicey. I won't be able to make it due to a prior commitment but I'd certainly like to have the launch happen instead of it being scrubbed. Robert Dave Randall wrote: > While I appreciate the spirit of Robert's initial proposal for the > Frost & Fire (Winter Solstice - ring in the march to spring and warmer > weather), I'd rather have a launch than have to scrub a launch - > especially one that's informal. > > So, I propose two changes, date & time. > > Date: Saturday Dec 20th > Time: 11am - 2pm > > Hopefully we'll all be a bit warmer, drier, and enjoy some nice winter > sunshine on fresh fallen snow. > > I'll be there with my GSE on Saturday at 11 am. I'm happy to share > GSE with others. I will have a 12V launcher + pads with various sized > rods. Also will have my Aerotech copperhead adapter in case anyone is > doing the smaller sized APCP motors. > > Dave > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Schurke, Peter > wrote: > >> Hey there, rocketry fans, >> >> Sunday 12/21 is forecast to have another dump of snow. Not really conducive to a launch. >> >> Saturday 12/20 is looking clearer. >> >> Just a suggestion... >> >> Peter Schurke >> Teacher and Lead Advisor >> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy >> Ingraham High School >> Seattle, WA >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer >> Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 10:46 AM >> To: Krausert, Robert; rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch >> >> >> >> For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 Acres Park it >> is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the location on >> Google Maps. >> *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz >> >> *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th Street, Redmond, >> WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park with >> parking available on south field near the northwest corner right next to >> the river. >> >> Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras which >> look at both the north and south fields. http://www.60acres.org/home.html >> Now if we could just hook up some microphones for sound.... >> I'll bring my camera to document the fun. >> >> Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are invited >> to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And since the place >> will be deserted both fields can be used for launch and recovery. Wahoo! >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> >> Krausert, Robert wrote: >> >>> Hi Robert, >>> Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? I've heard many of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located. >>> >>> Sounds like a fun event. >>> Cheers, >>> Robert >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM >>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch >>> >>> How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? The ground will >>> certainly be frozen and no soccer games are scheduled AFAIK. BYOGSE and >>> dress warmly. >>> >>> I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. >>> >>> Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? The winter >>> solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a great way to >>> celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. >>> >>> Anyone else interested? >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> Scott Berfield wrote: >>> >>> >>>> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM >>>> To: Bill Munds >>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle >>>> metro area >>>> >>>> Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. >>>> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! >>>> >>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rockets mailing list >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rockets mailing list >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > > > From bwhitemarsh at comcast.net Thu Dec 18 22:24:41 2008 From: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net (Bryan Whitemarsh) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:24:41 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net><6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com><002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com><49494906.1020604@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AA@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> <6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6DEBC54FE129456E8A2208B8BFEF2ACA@BryanPC> Saturday sounds good. I can bring some GSE as well. Bryan Whitemarsh -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:13 PM To: Schurke, Peter Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch While I appreciate the spirit of Robert's initial proposal for the Frost & Fire (Winter Solstice - ring in the march to spring and warmer weather), I'd rather have a launch than have to scrub a launch - especially one that's informal. So, I propose two changes, date & time. Date: Saturday Dec 20th Time: 11am - 2pm Hopefully we'll all be a bit warmer, drier, and enjoy some nice winter sunshine on fresh fallen snow. I'll be there with my GSE on Saturday at 11 am. I'm happy to share GSE with others. I will have a 12V launcher + pads with various sized rods. Also will have my Aerotech copperhead adapter in case anyone is doing the smaller sized APCP motors. Dave On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Schurke, Peter wrote: > Hey there, rocketry fans, > > Sunday 12/21 is forecast to have another dump of snow. Not really conducive to a launch. > > Saturday 12/20 is looking clearer. > > Just a suggestion... > > Peter Schurke > Teacher and Lead Advisor > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > Ingraham High School > Seattle, WA > > ________________________________ > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer > Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 10:46 AM > To: Krausert, Robert; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > > > > For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 Acres Park > it is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the location on > Google Maps. > *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz > > *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th Street, Redmond, > WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park > with parking available on south field near the northwest corner right > next to the river. > > Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras which > look at both the north and south fields. > http://www.60acres.org/home.html Now if we could just hook up some microphones for sound.... > I'll bring my camera to document the fun. > > Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are > invited to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And since > the place will be deserted both fields can be used for launch and recovery. Wahoo! > > Robert > > > > > Krausert, Robert wrote: >> Hi Robert, >> Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? I've heard many of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located. >> >> Sounds like a fun event. >> Cheers, >> Robert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM >> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch >> >> How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? The ground >> will certainly be frozen and no soccer games are scheduled AFAIK. >> BYOGSE and dress warmly. >> >> I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. >> >> Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? The winter >> solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a great way >> to celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. >> >> Anyone else interested? >> >> Robert >> >> Scott Berfield wrote: >> >>> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM >>> To: Bill Munds >>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and >>> Seattle metro area >>> >>> Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. >>> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! >>> >>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy >>> >>> Dave >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From winningstad at comcast.net Fri Dec 19 06:44:35 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:44:35 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch In-Reply-To: <6DEBC54FE129456E8A2208B8BFEF2ACA@BryanPC> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net><6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com><002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com><49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com><49494906.1020604@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AA@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com> <6DEBC54FE129456E8A2208B8BFEF2ACA@BryanPC> Message-ID: Saturday is my birthday celebration...shop early and avoid the RUSH! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Whitemarsh Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:25 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch Saturday sounds good. I can bring some GSE as well. Bryan Whitemarsh -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:13 PM To: Schurke, Peter Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch While I appreciate the spirit of Robert's initial proposal for the Frost & Fire (Winter Solstice - ring in the march to spring and warmer weather), I'd rather have a launch than have to scrub a launch - especially one that's informal. So, I propose two changes, date & time. Date: Saturday Dec 20th Time: 11am - 2pm Hopefully we'll all be a bit warmer, drier, and enjoy some nice winter sunshine on fresh fallen snow. I'll be there with my GSE on Saturday at 11 am. I'm happy to share GSE with others. I will have a 12V launcher + pads with various sized rods. Also will have my Aerotech copperhead adapter in case anyone is doing the smaller sized APCP motors. Dave On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Schurke, Peter wrote: > Hey there, rocketry fans, > > Sunday 12/21 is forecast to have another dump of snow. Not really conducive to a launch. > > Saturday 12/20 is looking clearer. > > Just a suggestion... > > Peter Schurke > Teacher and Lead Advisor > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > Ingraham High School > Seattle, WA > > ________________________________ > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer > Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 10:46 AM > To: Krausert, Robert; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > > > > For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 Acres Park > it is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the location on > Google Maps. > *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz > > *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th Street, Redmond, > WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park > with parking available on south field near the northwest corner right > next to the river. > > Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras which > look at both the north and south fields. > http://www.60acres.org/home.html Now if we could just hook up some microphones for sound.... > I'll bring my camera to document the fun. > > Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are > invited to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And since > the place will be deserted both fields can be used for launch and recovery. Wahoo! > > Robert > > > > > Krausert, Robert wrote: >> Hi Robert, >> Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? I've heard many of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located. >> >> Sounds like a fun event. >> Cheers, >> Robert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM >> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch >> >> How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? The ground >> will certainly be frozen and no soccer games are scheduled AFAIK. >> BYOGSE and dress warmly. >> >> I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. >> >> Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? The winter >> solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a great way >> to celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. >> >> Anyone else interested? >> >> Robert >> >> Scott Berfield wrote: >> >>> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM >>> To: Bill Munds >>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and >>> Seattle metro area >>> >>> Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. >>> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! >>> >>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy >>> >>> Dave >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From pmschurke at seattleschools.org Fri Dec 19 10:13:56 2008 From: pmschurke at seattleschools.org (Schurke, Peter) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:13:56 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net><6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com><002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com><49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com><49494906.1020604@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AA@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com><6DEBC54FE129456E8A2208B8BFEF2ACA@BryanPC> Message-ID: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AB@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> The down-side of school closures...all our rockets, range boxes, and GSE are locked in my classroom and I can't get into the building to get to them. Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Some of the kids and I might show up just for fun anyway, but looks like we won't have anything of our own to play with. :-( Peter Schurke Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA ________________________________ From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Dennis Winningstad Sent: Fri 12/19/2008 6:44 AM To: 'Bryan Whitemarsh'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch Saturday is my birthday celebration...shop early and avoid the RUSH! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Whitemarsh Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:25 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch Saturday sounds good. I can bring some GSE as well. Bryan Whitemarsh -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:13 PM To: Schurke, Peter Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch While I appreciate the spirit of Robert's initial proposal for the Frost & Fire (Winter Solstice - ring in the march to spring and warmer weather), I'd rather have a launch than have to scrub a launch - especially one that's informal. So, I propose two changes, date & time. Date: Saturday Dec 20th Time: 11am - 2pm Hopefully we'll all be a bit warmer, drier, and enjoy some nice winter sunshine on fresh fallen snow. I'll be there with my GSE on Saturday at 11 am. I'm happy to share GSE with others. I will have a 12V launcher + pads with various sized rods. Also will have my Aerotech copperhead adapter in case anyone is doing the smaller sized APCP motors. Dave On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Schurke, Peter wrote: > Hey there, rocketry fans, > > Sunday 12/21 is forecast to have another dump of snow. Not really conducive to a launch. > > Saturday 12/20 is looking clearer. > > Just a suggestion... > > Peter Schurke > Teacher and Lead Advisor > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > Ingraham High School > Seattle, WA > > ________________________________ > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer > Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 10:46 AM > To: Krausert, Robert; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > > > > For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 Acres Park > it is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the location on > Google Maps. > *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz > > *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th Street, Redmond, > WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park > with parking available on south field near the northwest corner right > next to the river. > > Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras which > look at both the north and south fields. > http://www.60acres.org/home.html Now if we could just hook up some microphones for sound.... > I'll bring my camera to document the fun. > > Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are > invited to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And since > the place will be deserted both fields can be used for launch and recovery. Wahoo! > > Robert > > > > > Krausert, Robert wrote: >> Hi Robert, >> Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? I've heard many of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located. >> >> Sounds like a fun event. >> Cheers, >> Robert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM >> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch >> >> How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? The ground >> will certainly be frozen and no soccer games are scheduled AFAIK. >> BYOGSE and dress warmly. >> >> I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. >> >> Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? The winter >> solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a great way >> to celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. >> >> Anyone else interested? >> >> Robert >> >> Scott Berfield wrote: >> >>> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM >>> To: Bill Munds >>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and >>> Seattle metro area >>> >>> Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. >>> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! >>> >>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy >>> >>> Dave >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From winningstad at comcast.net Fri Dec 19 10:25:33 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:25:33 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch In-Reply-To: <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AB@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net><6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com><002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com><49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com><49494906.1020604@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AA@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com><6DEBC54FE129456E8A2208B8BFEF2ACA@BryanPC> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AB@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> Message-ID: Peter, Just break in :D Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Schurke, Peter Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:14 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch The down-side of school closures...all our rockets, range boxes, and GSE are locked in my classroom and I can't get into the building to get to them. Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Some of the kids and I might show up just for fun anyway, but looks like we won't have anything of our own to play with. :-( Peter Schurke Teacher and Lead Advisor Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy Ingraham High School Seattle, WA ________________________________ From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Dennis Winningstad Sent: Fri 12/19/2008 6:44 AM To: 'Bryan Whitemarsh'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch Saturday is my birthday celebration...shop early and avoid the RUSH! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Whitemarsh Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:25 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch Saturday sounds good. I can bring some GSE as well. Bryan Whitemarsh -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:13 PM To: Schurke, Peter Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch While I appreciate the spirit of Robert's initial proposal for the Frost & Fire (Winter Solstice - ring in the march to spring and warmer weather), I'd rather have a launch than have to scrub a launch - especially one that's informal. So, I propose two changes, date & time. Date: Saturday Dec 20th Time: 11am - 2pm Hopefully we'll all be a bit warmer, drier, and enjoy some nice winter sunshine on fresh fallen snow. I'll be there with my GSE on Saturday at 11 am. I'm happy to share GSE with others. I will have a 12V launcher + pads with various sized rods. Also will have my Aerotech copperhead adapter in case anyone is doing the smaller sized APCP motors. Dave On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Schurke, Peter wrote: > Hey there, rocketry fans, > > Sunday 12/21 is forecast to have another dump of snow. Not really conducive to a launch. > > Saturday 12/20 is looking clearer. > > Just a suggestion... > > Peter Schurke > Teacher and Lead Advisor > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > Ingraham High School > Seattle, WA > > ________________________________ > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer > Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 10:46 AM > To: Krausert, Robert; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > > > > For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 Acres Park > it is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the location on > Google Maps. > *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz > > *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th Street, Redmond, > WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park > with parking available on south field near the northwest corner right > next to the river. > > Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras which > look at both the north and south fields. > http://www.60acres.org/home.html Now if we could just hook up some microphones for sound.... > I'll bring my camera to document the fun. > > Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are > invited to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And since > the place will be deserted both fields can be used for launch and recovery. Wahoo! > > Robert > > > > > Krausert, Robert wrote: >> Hi Robert, >> Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? I've heard many of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located. >> >> Sounds like a fun event. >> Cheers, >> Robert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM >> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch >> >> How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? The ground >> will certainly be frozen and no soccer games are scheduled AFAIK. >> BYOGSE and dress warmly. >> >> I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. >> >> Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? The winter >> solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a great way >> to celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. >> >> Anyone else interested? >> >> Robert >> >> Scott Berfield wrote: >> >>> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >>> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM >>> To: Bill Munds >>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and >>> Seattle metro area >>> >>> Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. >>> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! >>> >>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy >>> >>> Dave >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From sb at berfield.com Fri Dec 19 10:34:31 2008 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:34:31 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> <002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> <49494906.1020604@earthlink.net> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AA@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> <6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002201c96208$6f824ac0$4e86e040$@com> I'll try to drop by to watch. Don't really have anything in flying shape. On the other hand, since my car is the only one capable of negotiating our driveway and unplowed street (10" of snow), and since tomorrow may be the last chance to get Christmas shopping done before the big storm, I might need to be driving the wife around instead. Hope to make it though. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:13 PM To: Schurke, Peter Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch While I appreciate the spirit of Robert's initial proposal for the Frost & Fire (Winter Solstice - ring in the march to spring and warmer weather), I'd rather have a launch than have to scrub a launch - especially one that's informal. So, I propose two changes, date & time. Date: Saturday Dec 20th Time: 11am - 2pm Hopefully we'll all be a bit warmer, drier, and enjoy some nice winter sunshine on fresh fallen snow. I'll be there with my GSE on Saturday at 11 am. I'm happy to share GSE with others. I will have a 12V launcher + pads with various sized rods. Also will have my Aerotech copperhead adapter in case anyone is doing the smaller sized APCP motors. Dave On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Schurke, Peter wrote: > Hey there, rocketry fans, > > Sunday 12/21 is forecast to have another dump of snow. Not really conducive to a launch. > > Saturday 12/20 is looking clearer. > > Just a suggestion... > > Peter Schurke > Teacher and Lead Advisor > Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > Ingraham High School > Seattle, WA > > ________________________________ > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer > Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 10:46 AM > To: Krausert, Robert; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > > > > For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 Acres Park it > is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the location on > Google Maps. > *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz > > *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th Street, Redmond, > WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park with > parking available on south field near the northwest corner right next to > the river. > > Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras which > look at both the north and south fields. http://www.60acres.org/home.html > Now if we could just hook up some microphones for sound.... > I'll bring my camera to document the fun. > > Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are invited > to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And since the place > will be deserted both fields can be used for launch and recovery. Wahoo! > > Robert > > > > > Krausert, Robert wrote: >> Hi Robert, >> Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? I've heard many of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located. >> >> Sounds like a fun event. >> Cheers, >> Robert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM >> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch >> >> How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? The ground will >> certainly be frozen and no soccer games are scheduled AFAIK. BYOGSE and >> dress warmly. >> >> I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. >> >> Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? The winter >> solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a great way to >> celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. >> >> Anyone else interested? >> >> Robert >> >> Scott Berfield wrote: >> >>> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM >>> To: Bill Munds >>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle >>> metro area >>> >>> Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. >>> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! >>> >>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy >>> >>> Dave >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From foreveryoung at inlandnet.com Fri Dec 19 14:15:02 2008 From: foreveryoung at inlandnet.com (Bryan Young) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:15:02 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Space Shuttles for sale Message-ID: <007501c96227$3d776050$b86620f0$@com> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13728 -B -------------- next part -------------- http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13728 http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13728 -B From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sat Dec 20 02:00:11 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:00:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle metro area In-Reply-To: <008f01c96176$e8e1b0f0$baa512d0$@net> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> <008f01c96176$e8e1b0f0$baa512d0$@net> Message-ID: Yeah, I too have a nice 12 acre field here in N. Clark county just out my back door. But right now it's covered with a foot of snow and much more predicted to fall Sat into Sun. The roads are mostly ice most of the time despite the snowplows. Had to shovel off the roof of my old mobile home--snow on top of ice layer, nothing to grab ahold of--another opportunity for an early demise dodged. :-) One of the very few times I'm actually glad to be unemployed... So far it's only about a once-a-decade snowfall/cold snap. Sunday will tell if it comes close to the Great Blizzard of '78, which my relatives tell me saw over three feet of snow on the ground. And no, I'm not going to trudge through knee deep snow to launch rockets! +McG+ > If we do a launch this weekend in the Spokane area anything less than > about > 2 ft long will look like it came out of an underground silo. This beat > the > previous record for 24 hrs of 13" by a fair margin. The schools closed > and > many businesses declared snow days, but you can get out an about if you > want. > > Marty > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Dave Randall > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM > To: Bill Munds > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle > metro area > > Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. > Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! > > http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From dmrandall at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 08:26:50 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:26:50 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch In-Reply-To: <002201c96208$6f824ac0$4e86e040$@com> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net> <6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com> <002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net> <0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com> <49494906.1020604@earthlink.net> <844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AA@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org> <6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com> <002201c96208$6f824ac0$4e86e040$@com> Message-ID: <6bc920e40812200826y54bc55b8p1f9a1bf3ac10531e@mail.gmail.com> We'll have to see how quickly the winds pick up, but I think the field is trying to tell us something! Take a look at: http://www.60acres.org/northcamera.html I think I can make out the word "FLY" in the snow! The field is calling us. (ok, use your imagination on the F - "CLY" is not a word...) Remember to dress warmly, and be prepared for the cold (weather link at 60 acres shows 6 degrees right now). Bring boots & gators if you have them to stave off the snow and keep your feet warm and dry. Dave On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Scott Berfield wrote: > I'll try to drop by to watch. Don't really have anything in flying shape. On > the other hand, since my car is the only one capable of negotiating our > driveway and unplowed street (10" of snow), and since tomorrow may be the > last chance to get Christmas shopping done before the big storm, I might > need to be driving the wife around instead. Hope to make it though. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Dave Randall > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:13 PM > To: Schurke, Peter > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > > While I appreciate the spirit of Robert's initial proposal for the > Frost & Fire (Winter Solstice - ring in the march to spring and warmer > weather), I'd rather have a launch than have to scrub a launch - > especially one that's informal. > > So, I propose two changes, date & time. > > Date: Saturday Dec 20th > Time: 11am - 2pm > > Hopefully we'll all be a bit warmer, drier, and enjoy some nice winter > sunshine on fresh fallen snow. > > I'll be there with my GSE on Saturday at 11 am. I'm happy to share > GSE with others. I will have a 12V launcher + pads with various sized > rods. Also will have my Aerotech copperhead adapter in case anyone is > doing the smaller sized APCP motors. > > Dave > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Schurke, Peter > wrote: >> Hey there, rocketry fans, >> >> Sunday 12/21 is forecast to have another dump of snow. Not really > conducive to a launch. >> >> Saturday 12/20 is looking clearer. >> >> Just a suggestion... >> >> Peter Schurke >> Teacher and Lead Advisor >> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy >> Ingraham High School >> Seattle, WA >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer >> Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 10:46 AM >> To: Krausert, Robert; rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch >> >> >> >> For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 Acres Park it >> is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the location on >> Google Maps. >> *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz >> >> *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th Street, Redmond, >> WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park with >> parking available on south field near the northwest corner right next to >> the river. >> >> Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras which >> look at both the north and south fields. http://www.60acres.org/home.html >> Now if we could just hook up some microphones for sound.... >> I'll bring my camera to document the fun. >> >> Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are invited >> to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And since the place >> will be deserted both fields can be used for launch and recovery. Wahoo! >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> >> Krausert, Robert wrote: >>> Hi Robert, >>> Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? I've heard many > of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located. >>> >>> Sounds like a fun event. >>> Cheers, >>> Robert >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM >>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch >>> >>> How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? The ground will >>> certainly be frozen and no soccer games are scheduled AFAIK. BYOGSE and >>> dress warmly. >>> >>> I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. >>> >>> Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? The winter >>> solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a great way to >>> celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. >>> >>> Anyone else interested? >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> Scott Berfield wrote: >>> >>>> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM >>>> To: Bill Munds >>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and Seattle >>>> metro area >>>> >>>> Photos from a few launches including last year's January Ice Launch.. >>>> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! >>>> >>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rockets mailing list >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rockets mailing list >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > > > -- > - Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > -- - Dave From carl20320 at msn.com Sat Dec 20 10:06:06 2008 From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:06:06 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40812200826y54bc55b8p1f9a1bf3ac10531e@mail.gmail.com> References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net><6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com><002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com><49494906.1020604@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AA@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com><002201c96208$6f824ac0$4e86e040$@com> <6bc920e40812200826y54bc55b8p1f9a1bf3ac10531e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, it says FLY now. You better get out there soon, though. Down in SW WA, it has already been snowing since early morning with snow showers all night long. Carl NAR 33262 TRA 11344 KE7DRZ > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:27 AM > To: Scott Berfield > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > > We'll have to see how quickly the winds pick up, but I think > the field is trying to tell us something! > > Take a look at: http://www.60acres.org/northcamera.html > > I think I can make out the word "FLY" in the snow! The field > is calling us. (ok, use your imagination on the F - "CLY" is not a > word...) > > Remember to dress warmly, and be prepared for the cold > (weather link at 60 acres shows 6 degrees right now). Bring > boots & gators if you have them to stave off the snow and > keep your feet warm and dry. > > Dave > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Scott Berfield > wrote: > > I'll try to drop by to watch. Don't really have anything in flying > > shape. On the other hand, since my car is the only one capable of > > negotiating our driveway and unplowed street (10" of snow), > and since > > tomorrow may be the last chance to get Christmas shopping > done before > > the big storm, I might need to be driving the wife around > instead. Hope to make it though. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > > On Behalf Of Dave Randall > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:13 PM > > To: Schurke, Peter > > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > > > > While I appreciate the spirit of Robert's initial proposal for the > > Frost & Fire (Winter Solstice - ring in the march to spring > and warmer > > weather), I'd rather have a launch than have to scrub a launch - > > especially one that's informal. > > > > So, I propose two changes, date & time. > > > > Date: Saturday Dec 20th > > Time: 11am - 2pm > > > > Hopefully we'll all be a bit warmer, drier, and enjoy some > nice winter > > sunshine on fresh fallen snow. > > > > I'll be there with my GSE on Saturday at 11 am. I'm happy to share > > GSE with others. I will have a 12V launcher + pads with > various sized > > rods. Also will have my Aerotech copperhead adapter in > case anyone is > > doing the smaller sized APCP motors. > > > > Dave > > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Schurke, Peter > > wrote: > >> Hey there, rocketry fans, > >> > >> Sunday 12/21 is forecast to have another dump of snow. Not really > > conducive to a launch. > >> > >> Saturday 12/20 is looking clearer. > >> > >> Just a suggestion... > >> > >> Peter Schurke > >> Teacher and Lead Advisor > >> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > >> Ingraham High School > >> Seattle, WA > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> > >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer > >> Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 10:46 AM > >> To: Krausert, Robert; rockets at rocketsnw.com > >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > >> > >> > >> > >> For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 > Acres Park > >> it is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the > location on > >> Google Maps. > >> *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz > >> > >> *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th > Street, Redmond, > >> WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park > >> with parking available on south field near the northwest > corner right > >> next to the river. > >> > >> Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras > >> which look at both the north and south fields. > >> http://www.60acres.org/home.html Now if we could just hook > up some microphones for sound.... > >> I'll bring my camera to document the fun. > >> > >> Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are > >> invited to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And > >> since the place will be deserted both fields can be used > for launch and recovery. Wahoo! > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Krausert, Robert wrote: > >>> Hi Robert, > >>> Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? > I've heard > >>> many > > of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located. > >>> > >>> Sounds like a fun event. > >>> Cheers, > >>> Robert > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer > >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM > >>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > >>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch > >>> > >>> How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? > The ground > >>> will certainly be frozen and no soccer games are > scheduled AFAIK. > >>> BYOGSE and dress warmly. > >>> > >>> I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. > >>> > >>> Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? > The winter > >>> solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a > great way > >>> to celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. > >>> > >>> Anyone else interested? > >>> > >>> Robert > >>> > >>> Scott Berfield wrote: > >>> > >>>> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > >>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM > >>>> To: Bill Munds > >>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > >>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and > >>>> Seattle metro area > >>>> > >>>> Photos from a few launches including last year's January > Ice Launch.. > >>>> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! > >>>> > >>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy > >>>> > >>>> Dave > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Rockets mailing list > >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Rockets mailing list > >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Rockets mailing list > >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockets mailing list > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockets mailing list > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > - Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > > > > > -- > - Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From dmrandall at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 14:42:02 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:42:02 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report Message-ID: <6bc920e40812201442g2dad5971n91caacd9fd58c271@mail.gmail.com> With looming clouds, 20 degree temps and rocket eating trees surrounding the launch field on all sides, Steve Bloom, Brian Whitemarsh, Cody Whitemarsh, Thomas Randall, Joshua Randall, Linda Randall and David Randall all threw caution to the wind and strung out the GSE in hopes of melting some snow, making some smoke and having a great Frost & Fire 2008 Launch. The Randall tally: Estes Patriot flew 3 times on D12-7's. Easy recovery for flights one and two, but flight three seemed drawn to the Western Rocket Magnet and required blackberry bush recovery by two brave souls willing to take a thorn (or 20) in the leg to recover the venerable Patriot Payloader. Estes Baby Bertha flew once on a C5-3 - quick recovery back in the middle of the field. Estes Trade Federation Droid Starfighter took off twice on a C5-3 and had the first of many tree eating events occurred during recovery. Fortunately, Thomas' baseball arm dislodged the chute with a rock. Applewhite Stealth Pyramid - An Apogee long burn 29mm F was in store for this rocket, but it seemed anxious to hold on to the launch rod, even under thrust. After taking the launch rod and pad 10' to the north, the Pyramid let go and began a very unstable, yet delightfully funny spinning, bouncing trip to the West. I think max altitude hit 35'. Fun! Overall, great day to fly. The field was all ours, and there was only about 3" of snow on the ground, so recoveries were easily visible. Photos posted here: http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/6879035_ipnsz I'll let Steve & Brian chime in on their launch events. Glad you guys came! It was fun! -- - Dave From appusher at q.com Sat Dec 20 19:35:41 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 03:35:41 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch In-Reply-To: References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net><6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com><002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com><49494906.1020604@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AA@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com><002201c96208$6f824ac0$4e86e040$@com> <6bc920e40812200826y54bc55b8p1f9a1bf3ac10531e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sounds like a great time for all. UPDATE ON THE ROCKET RANCH CAMPGROUND SNOW LAUNCH.... All attempts so far to even make a snow ball sputnik rocket has been thwarted by excessive dry snow. I arranged a press for snow balls that produced 500lbs of crushing strength on the unwilling snow. I still have a number of B and C estes motors standing by. The assembly and flight crews are on standby till late Sunday night when the launch window expires. Currently we have new material accumulating for testing prior to assembly. Current predictions on new material arriving for testing is 6" to 20" in the next 12 hours. Prospects are looking good for a launch in our predicted launch window. Standby for further updates. Rocket Ranch Campground Launch Control signing out for now Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: carl20320 at msn.com> To: dmrandall at gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:06:06 -0800> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch> > Well, it says FLY now. You better get out there soon, though. Down in SW> WA, it has already been snowing since early morning with snow showers all> night long.> > Carl> NAR 33262> TRA 11344> KE7DRZ> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall> > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:27 AM> > To: Scott Berfield> > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch> > > > We'll have to see how quickly the winds pick up, but I think > > the field is trying to tell us something!> > > > Take a look at: http://www.60acres.org/northcamera.html> > > > I think I can make out the word "FLY" in the snow! The field > > is calling us. (ok, use your imagination on the F - "CLY" is not a> > word...)> > > > Remember to dress warmly, and be prepared for the cold > > (weather link at 60 acres shows 6 degrees right now). Bring > > boots & gators if you have them to stave off the snow and > > keep your feet warm and dry.> > > > Dave> > > > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Scott Berfield > > wrote:> > > I'll try to drop by to watch. Don't really have anything in flying > > > shape. On the other hand, since my car is the only one capable of > > > negotiating our driveway and unplowed street (10" of snow), > > and since > > > tomorrow may be the last chance to get Christmas shopping > > done before > > > the big storm, I might need to be driving the wife around > > instead. Hope to make it though.> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> > > On Behalf Of Dave Randall> > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:13 PM> > > To: Schurke, Peter> > > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch> > >> > > While I appreciate the spirit of Robert's initial proposal for the > > > Frost & Fire (Winter Solstice - ring in the march to spring > > and warmer > > > weather), I'd rather have a launch than have to scrub a launch - > > > especially one that's informal.> > >> > > So, I propose two changes, date & time.> > >> > > Date: Saturday Dec 20th> > > Time: 11am - 2pm> > >> > > Hopefully we'll all be a bit warmer, drier, and enjoy some > > nice winter > > > sunshine on fresh fallen snow.> > >> > > I'll be there with my GSE on Saturday at 11 am. I'm happy to share > > > GSE with others. I will have a 12V launcher + pads with > > various sized > > > rods. Also will have my Aerotech copperhead adapter in > > case anyone is > > > doing the smaller sized APCP motors.> > >> > > Dave> > >> > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Schurke, Peter > > > wrote:> > >> Hey there, rocketry fans,> > >>> > >> Sunday 12/21 is forecast to have another dump of snow. Not really> > > conducive to a launch.> > >>> > >> Saturday 12/20 is looking clearer.> > >>> > >> Just a suggestion...> > >>> > >> Peter Schurke> > >> Teacher and Lead Advisor> > >> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy> > >> Ingraham High School> > >> Seattle, WA> > >>> > >> ________________________________> > >>> > >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer> > >> Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 10:46 AM> > >> To: Krausert, Robert; rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 > > Acres Park > > >> it is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the > > location on > > >> Google Maps.> > >> *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz> > >>> > >> *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th > > Street, Redmond, > > >> WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park > > >> with parking available on south field near the northwest > > corner right > > >> next to the river.> > >>> > >> Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras > > >> which look at both the north and south fields. > > >> http://www.60acres.org/home.html Now if we could just hook > > up some microphones for sound....> > >> I'll bring my camera to document the fun.> > >>> > >> Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are > > >> invited to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And > > >> since the place will be deserted both fields can be used > > for launch and recovery. Wahoo!> > >>> > >> Robert> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Krausert, Robert wrote:> > >>> Hi Robert,> > >>> Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? > > I've heard > > >>> many> > > of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located.> > >>>> > >>> Sounds like a fun event.> > >>> Cheers,> > >>> Robert> > >>>> > >>> -----Original Message-----> > >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM> > >>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch> > >>>> > >>> How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? > > The ground > > >>> will certainly be frozen and no soccer games are > > scheduled AFAIK. > > >>> BYOGSE and dress warmly.> > >>>> > >>> I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out.> > >>>> > >>> Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? > > The winter > > >>> solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a > > great way > > >>> to celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer.> > >>>> > >>> Anyone else interested?> > >>>> > >>> Robert> > >>>> > >>> Scott Berfield wrote:> > >>>> > >>>> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me.> > >>>>> > >>>> -----Original Message-----> > >>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> > >>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall> > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM> > >>>> To: Bill Munds> > >>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and > > >>>> Seattle metro area> > >>>>> > >>>> Photos from a few launches including last year's January > > Ice Launch..> > >>>> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys!> > >>>>> > >>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy> > >>>>> > >>>> Dave> > >>>> _______________________________________________> > >>>> Rockets mailing list> > >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________> > >>>> Rockets mailing list> > >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________> > >>> Rockets mailing list> > >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________> > >> Rockets mailing list> > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________> > >> Rockets mailing list> > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > - Dave> > > _______________________________________________> > > Rockets mailing list> > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > --> > - Dave> > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- Sounds like a great time for all. ? UPDATE ON THE ROCKET RANCH CAMPGROUND SNOW LAUNCH.... ? All attempts so far to even make a snow ball sputnik rocket has been thwarted by excessive dry snow.? I arranged a press for snow balls that produced 500lbs of crushing strength on the unwilling snow. I still have a number of B and C estes motors standing by.? The assembly and flight crews are on standby till late Sunday night when the launch window expires.? Currently we have new material accumulating for testing prior to assembly.? Current predictions on new material arriving for testing is 6" to 20" in the next 12 hours.? Prospects are looking good for a launch in our predicted launch window. ? Standby for further updates. ? Rocket Ranch Campground Launch Control signing out for now ? Bill http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: carl20320 at msn.com > To: dmrandall at gmail.com > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:06:06 -0800 > CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > > Well, it says FLY now. You better get out there soon, though. Down in SW > WA, it has already been snowing since early morning with snow showers all > night long. > > Carl > NAR 33262 > TRA 11344 > KE7DRZ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall > > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:27 AM > > To: Scott Berfield > > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > > > > We'll have to see how quickly the winds pick up, but I think > > the field is trying to tell us something! > > > > Take a look at: http://www.60acres.org/northcamera.html > > > > I think I can make out the word "FLY" in the snow! The field > > is calling us. (ok, use your imagination on the F - "CLY" is not a > > word...) > > > > Remember to dress warmly, and be prepared for the cold > > (weather link at 60 acres shows 6 degrees right now). Bring > > boots & gators if you have them to stave off the snow and > > keep your feet warm and dry. > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Scott Berfield > > wrote: > > > I'll try to drop by to watch. Don't really have anything in flying > > > shape. On the other hand, since my car is the only one capable of > > > negotiating our driveway and unplowed street (10" of snow), > > and since > > > tomorrow may be the last chance to get Christmas shopping > > done before > > > the big storm, I might need to be driving the wife around > > instead. Hope to make it though. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > > > On Behalf Of Dave Randall > > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:13 PM > > > To: Schurke, Peter > > > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > > > > > > While I appreciate the spirit of Robert's initial proposal for the > > > Frost & Fire (Winter Solstice - ring in the march to spring > > and warmer > > > weather), I'd rather have a launch than have to scrub a launch - > > > especially one that's informal. > > > > > > So, I propose two changes, date & time. > > > > > > Date: Saturday Dec 20th > > > Time: 11am - 2pm > > > > > > Hopefully we'll all be a bit warmer, drier, and enjoy some > > nice winter > > > sunshine on fresh fallen snow. > > > > > > I'll be there with my GSE on Saturday at 11 am. I'm happy to share > > > GSE with others. I will have a 12V launcher + pads with > > various sized > > > rods. Also will have my Aerotech copperhead adapter in > > case anyone is > > > doing the smaller sized APCP motors. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Schurke, Peter > > > wrote: > > >> Hey there, rocketry fans, > > >> > > >> Sunday 12/21 is forecast to have another dump of snow. Not really > > > conducive to a launch. > > >> > > >> Saturday 12/20 is looking clearer. > > >> > > >> Just a suggestion... > > >> > > >> Peter Schurke > > >> Teacher and Lead Advisor > > >> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy > > >> Ingraham High School > > >> Seattle, WA > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> > > >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer > > >> Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 10:46 AM > > >> To: Krausert, Robert; rockets at rocketsnw.com > > >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 > > Acres Park > > >> it is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the > > location on > > >> Google Maps. > > >> *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz > > >> > > >> *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th > > Street, Redmond, > > >> WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park > > >> with parking available on south field near the northwest > > corner right > > >> next to the river. > > >> > > >> Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras > > >> which look at both the north and south fields. > > >> http://www.60acres.org/home.html Now if we could just hook > > up some microphones for sound.... > > >> I'll bring my camera to document the fun. > > >> > > >> Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are > > >> invited to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And > > >> since the place will be deserted both fields can be used > > for launch and recovery. Wahoo! > > >> > > >> Robert > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Krausert, Robert wrote: > > >>> Hi Robert, > > >>> Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? > > I've heard > > >>> many > > > of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located. > > >>> > > >>> Sounds like a fun event. > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> Robert > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM > > >>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > >>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch > > >>> > > >>> How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? > > The ground > > >>> will certainly be frozen and no soccer games are > > scheduled AFAIK. > > >>> BYOGSE and dress warmly. > > >>> > > >>> I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out. > > >>> > > >>> Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? > > The winter > > >>> solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a > > great way > > >>> to celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer. > > >>> > > >>> Anyone else interested? > > >>> > > >>> Robert > > >>> > > >>> Scott Berfield wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me. > > >>>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > > >>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM > > >>>> To: Bill Munds > > >>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com > > >>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and > > >>>> Seattle metro area > > >>>> > > >>>> Photos from a few launches including last year's January > > Ice Launch.. > > >>>> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys! > > >>>> > > >>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy > > >>>> > > >>>> Dave > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Rockets mailing list > > >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Rockets mailing list > > >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Rockets mailing list > > >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Rockets mailing list > > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Rockets mailing list > > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > - Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockets mailing list > > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > - Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockets mailing list > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Dec 21 18:36:34 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:36:34 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40812201442g2dad5971n91caacd9fd58c271@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bc920e40812201442g2dad5971n91caacd9fd58c271@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494EFD32.4060401@earthlink.net> Sounds like Frost & Fire 2008 was a success! Let's have another launch next month. This will give rocketeers more time to prepare rockets to fly for this next launch. How about Sunday, 18 January 2009 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park? Of course, this date and time is dependent on weather. Any one have any ideas for a name for this next launch? Robert Dave Randall wrote: > With looming clouds, 20 degree temps and rocket eating trees > surrounding the launch field on all sides, Steve Bloom, Brian > Whitemarsh, Cody Whitemarsh, Thomas Randall, Joshua Randall, Linda > Randall and David Randall all threw caution to the wind and strung out > the GSE in hopes of melting some snow, making some smoke and having a > great Frost & Fire 2008 Launch. > > The Randall tally: > > Estes Patriot flew 3 times on D12-7's. Easy recovery for flights one > and two, but flight three seemed drawn to the Western Rocket Magnet > and required blackberry bush recovery by two brave souls willing to > take a thorn (or 20) in the leg to recover the venerable Patriot > Payloader. > > Estes Baby Bertha flew once on a C5-3 - quick recovery back in the > middle of the field. > > Estes Trade Federation Droid Starfighter took off twice on a C5-3 and > had the first of many tree eating events occurred during recovery. > Fortunately, Thomas' baseball arm dislodged the chute with a rock. > > Applewhite Stealth Pyramid - An Apogee long burn 29mm F was in store > for this rocket, but it seemed anxious to hold on to the launch rod, > even under thrust. After taking the launch rod and pad 10' to the > north, the Pyramid let go and began a very unstable, yet delightfully > funny spinning, bouncing trip to the West. I think max altitude hit > 35'. Fun! > > Overall, great day to fly. The field was all ours, and there was only > about 3" of snow on the ground, so recoveries were easily visible. > > Photos posted here: http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/6879035_ipnsz > > I'll let Steve & Brian chime in on their launch events. Glad you guys > came! It was fun! > > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Mon Dec 22 09:46:17 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:46:17 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Obama Planning to Scrap Shuttle Replacement, Says NASA Message-ID: <494FD269.10306@earthlink.net> *http://tinyurl.com/6tqkwf * From rockets at penian.com Mon Dec 22 13:29:12 2008 From: rockets at penian.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul=20Nelson?=) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:29:12 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] =?iso-8859-1?q?Apollo_8_-_40_years_ago?= Message-ID: <20081222212912.8405.qmail@server298.com> 40 years. 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From greg at blastzone.com Mon Dec 22 14:18:11 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:18:11 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Selling a bunch of stuff, small reload, big reloads, EX supplies Message-ID: <113501c96483$2e3c58d0$8ab50a70$@com> Clearing more stuff out of the garage and magazine. Turns out building a new home is more of a money hole than a boat! I'll spare you the details, but here's the big list of stuff I'm trying to sell off. Please don't hesitate to contact me directly if you have any questions. Reasonable offers accepted! Starting here, will post to Rocketry Planet auctions and such later. PML Tethys kit - $75 Small reloads 4 x H180 Medium 29mm reload - $15 each 2 x H128 Medium 29mm reload - $20 each 1 x G40-7 29mm single use - $20 2 x F32-15 24mm single use - $10 each 1 x G55-15 24mm single use - $12 1 x G69 Pro38 Reload - $18 1 x I284 38mm reload (10 years old) - $35 Larger reloads, LEUP required since these are on my magazine log 1 x I65 5mm single use (Rare, 10 second burn) - $70 1 x Cesaroni 5 grain 54mm K570 reload - 1 x Aerotech 54mm K250 reload, single use but requires closures - $240 1 x Aerotech 54mm K550 reload - $90 1 x Aerotech 54mm K700 reload - $130 1 x Aerotech 54mm K1100 reload - $90 1 x Aerotech 75mm L850 reload - $180 1 x Aerotech 75mm M650 reload - $290 EX cases, not anodized 54mm 39" long, thick wall for high pressure testing, can turn down to normal - $90 98mm 40" long, never fired (have raw tubes to make 2 more if wanted) - $150 98mm 51.75" long, fired twice - $200 114mm 62" long, never fired - $300 All of the above compatible with Loki nozzles and closures, or custom made available for lower price than Loki 4 x aluminum tubes, 4.5" OD, 3.75" ID - odd size. Correct OD for 114 mm, but walls too thick so ID is too small for standard 114m liners (4" airframe and couplers). Could be made into short 114 mm motors and ID bored to correct size. Harder to bore for longer motors. Could also be made into thick wall motors with either custom liners or case bonded, perfect for high pressure or long burn applications. See http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=14999&step=4&showunits=inches&i d=71&top_cat=60 for comparison. Online metals sells this stuff for $215 per 4' section, i'm selling for $115 per 4' section Would consider making some custom 114mm motors out of this stuff if someone was interested. 5 gallon bucket of DOA - $100 200u ap - 3 x 50lb bucket - $200 each From steve-c at ix.netcom.com Mon Dec 22 22:48:11 2008 From: steve-c at ix.netcom.com (Steve Cutonilli) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:48:11 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Selling a bunch of stuff, small reload, big reloads, EX supplies In-Reply-To: <113501c96483$2e3c58d0$8ab50a70$@com> Message-ID: <000601c964ca$785704f0$c801a8c0@steve> Gregg - sorry to hear you need to part with such rocketry stuff. Is the AP still available? I'm also interested in a 114mm casing 3-grain and 2-grain - are closures snap ring retained or does this size dictate bolt-on ring? /Steve -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Deputy Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:18 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Selling a bunch of stuff, small reload, big reloads,EX supplies Clearing more stuff out of the garage and magazine. Turns out building a new home is more of a money hole than a boat! I'll spare you the details, but here's the big list of stuff I'm trying to sell off. Please don't hesitate to contact me directly if you have any questions. Reasonable offers accepted! Starting here, will post to Rocketry Planet auctions and such later. PML Tethys kit - $75 Small reloads 4 x H180 Medium 29mm reload - $15 each 2 x H128 Medium 29mm reload - $20 each 1 x G40-7 29mm single use - $20 2 x F32-15 24mm single use - $10 each 1 x G55-15 24mm single use - $12 1 x G69 Pro38 Reload - $18 1 x I284 38mm reload (10 years old) - $35 Larger reloads, LEUP required since these are on my magazine log 1 x I65 5mm single use (Rare, 10 second burn) - $70 1 x Cesaroni 5 grain 54mm K570 reload - 1 x Aerotech 54mm K250 reload, single use but requires closures - $240 1 x Aerotech 54mm K550 reload - $90 1 x Aerotech 54mm K700 reload - $130 1 x Aerotech 54mm K1100 reload - $90 1 x Aerotech 75mm L850 reload - $180 1 x Aerotech 75mm M650 reload - $290 EX cases, not anodized 54mm 39" long, thick wall for high pressure testing, can turn down to normal - $90 98mm 40" long, never fired (have raw tubes to make 2 more if wanted) - $150 98mm 51.75" long, fired twice - $200 114mm 62" long, never fired - $300 All of the above compatible with Loki nozzles and closures, or custom made available for lower price than Loki 4 x aluminum tubes, 4.5" OD, 3.75" ID - odd size. Correct OD for 114 mm, but walls too thick so ID is too small for standard 114m liners (4" airframe and couplers). Could be made into short 114 mm motors and ID bored to correct size. Harder to bore for longer motors. Could also be made into thick wall motors with either custom liners or case bonded, perfect for high pressure or long burn applications. See http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=14999&step=4&showunits=inch es&i d=71&top_cat=60 for comparison. Online metals sells this stuff for $215 per 4' section, i'm selling for $115 per 4' section Would consider making some custom 114mm motors out of this stuff if someone was interested. 5 gallon bucket of DOA - $100 200u ap - 3 x 50lb bucket - $200 each _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From lsagan123 at msn.com Tue Dec 23 06:31:34 2008 From: lsagan123 at msn.com (Ralph Strauser) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:31:34 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report In-Reply-To: <494EFD32.4060401@earthlink.net> References: <6bc920e40812201442g2dad5971n91caacd9fd58c271@mail.gmail.com> <494EFD32.4060401@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Robert, How about "Frozen Thunder" Ralph W. Strauser TRA 006672 -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 6:37 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report Sounds like Frost & Fire 2008 was a success! Let's have another launch next month. This will give rocketeers more time to prepare rockets to fly for this next launch. How about Sunday, 18 January 2009 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park? Of course, this date and time is dependent on weather. Any one have any ideas for a name for this next launch? Robert Dave Randall wrote: > With looming clouds, 20 degree temps and rocket eating trees > surrounding the launch field on all sides, Steve Bloom, Brian > Whitemarsh, Cody Whitemarsh, Thomas Randall, Joshua Randall, Linda > Randall and David Randall all threw caution to the wind and strung out > the GSE in hopes of melting some snow, making some smoke and having a > great Frost & Fire 2008 Launch. > > The Randall tally: > > Estes Patriot flew 3 times on D12-7's. Easy recovery for flights one > and two, but flight three seemed drawn to the Western Rocket Magnet > and required blackberry bush recovery by two brave souls willing to > take a thorn (or 20) in the leg to recover the venerable Patriot > Payloader. > > Estes Baby Bertha flew once on a C5-3 - quick recovery back in the > middle of the field. > > Estes Trade Federation Droid Starfighter took off twice on a C5-3 and > had the first of many tree eating events occurred during recovery. > Fortunately, Thomas' baseball arm dislodged the chute with a rock. > > Applewhite Stealth Pyramid - An Apogee long burn 29mm F was in store > for this rocket, but it seemed anxious to hold on to the launch rod, > even under thrust. After taking the launch rod and pad 10' to the > north, the Pyramid let go and began a very unstable, yet delightfully > funny spinning, bouncing trip to the West. I think max altitude hit > 35'. Fun! > > Overall, great day to fly. The field was all ours, and there was only > about 3" of snow on the ground, so recoveries were easily visible. > > Photos posted here: http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/6879035_ipnsz > > I'll let Steve & Brian chime in on their launch events. Glad you guys > came! It was fun! > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 12/22/2008 11:23 AM From greg at blastzone.com Tue Dec 23 09:36:03 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:36:03 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Selling a bunch of stuff, small reload, big reloads, EX supplies In-Reply-To: <113501c96483$2e3c58d0$8ab50a70$@com> References: <113501c96483$2e3c58d0$8ab50a70$@com> Message-ID: <13e701c96524$ee0cbcd0$ca263670$@com> The Tethys and all the small stuff except for the G69 and G40 are spoken for, as well as the I65. Other stuff still available, first money takes it. Delivery is the responsibility of the buyer, but I can hold on to stuff and deliver at Mansfield in the spring. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Deputy Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:18 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Selling a bunch of stuff, small reload, big reloads, EX supplies Clearing more stuff out of the garage and magazine. Turns out building a new home is more of a money hole than a boat! I'll spare you the details, but here's the big list of stuff I'm trying to sell off. Please don't hesitate to contact me directly if you have any questions. Reasonable offers accepted! Starting here, will post to Rocketry Planet auctions and such later. PML Tethys kit - $75 Small reloads 4 x H180 Medium 29mm reload - $15 each 2 x H128 Medium 29mm reload - $20 each 1 x G40-7 29mm single use - $20 2 x F32-15 24mm single use - $10 each 1 x G55-15 24mm single use - $12 1 x G69 Pro38 Reload - $18 1 x I284 38mm reload (10 years old) - $35 Larger reloads, LEUP required since these are on my magazine log 1 x I65 5mm single use (Rare, 10 second burn) - $70 1 x Cesaroni 5 grain 54mm K570 reload - 1 x Aerotech 54mm K250 reload, single use but requires closures - $240 1 x Aerotech 54mm K550 reload - $90 1 x Aerotech 54mm K700 reload - $130 1 x Aerotech 54mm K1100 reload - $90 1 x Aerotech 75mm L850 reload - $180 1 x Aerotech 75mm M650 reload - $290 EX cases, not anodized 54mm 39" long, thick wall for high pressure testing, can turn down to normal - $90 98mm 40" long, never fired (have raw tubes to make 2 more if wanted) - $150 98mm 51.75" long, fired twice - $200 114mm 62" long, never fired - $300 All of the above compatible with Loki nozzles and closures, or custom made available for lower price than Loki 4 x aluminum tubes, 4.5" OD, 3.75" ID - odd size. Correct OD for 114 mm, but walls too thick so ID is too small for standard 114m liners (4" airframe and couplers). Could be made into short 114 mm motors and ID bored to correct size. Harder to bore for longer motors. Could also be made into thick wall motors with either custom liners or case bonded, perfect for high pressure or long burn applications. See http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=14999&step=4&showunits=inches&i d=71&top_cat=60 for comparison. Online metals sells this stuff for $215 per 4' section, i'm selling for $115 per 4' section Would consider making some custom 114mm motors out of this stuff if someone was interested. 5 gallon bucket of DOA - $100 200u ap - 3 x 50lb bucket - $200 each _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at blastzone.com Tue Dec 23 10:11:13 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:11:13 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Selling a bunch of stuff, small reload, big reloads, EX supplies In-Reply-To: <13e701c96524$ee0cbcd0$ca263670$@com> References: <113501c96483$2e3c58d0$8ab50a70$@com> <13e701c96524$ee0cbcd0$ca263670$@com> Message-ID: <140b01c96529$d784f810$868ee830$@com> Sorry, one more thing I forgot to mention. I can take Credit Cards for this stuff if that's easier for anyone. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Deputy Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:36 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Selling a bunch of stuff, small reload, big reloads, EX supplies The Tethys and all the small stuff except for the G69 and G40 are spoken for, as well as the I65. Other stuff still available, first money takes it. Delivery is the responsibility of the buyer, but I can hold on to stuff and deliver at Mansfield in the spring. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Greg Deputy Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:18 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Selling a bunch of stuff, small reload, big reloads, EX supplies Clearing more stuff out of the garage and magazine. Turns out building a new home is more of a money hole than a boat! I'll spare you the details, but here's the big list of stuff I'm trying to sell off. Please don't hesitate to contact me directly if you have any questions. Reasonable offers accepted! Starting here, will post to Rocketry Planet auctions and such later. PML Tethys kit - $75 Small reloads 4 x H180 Medium 29mm reload - $15 each 2 x H128 Medium 29mm reload - $20 each 1 x G40-7 29mm single use - $20 2 x F32-15 24mm single use - $10 each 1 x G55-15 24mm single use - $12 1 x G69 Pro38 Reload - $18 1 x I284 38mm reload (10 years old) - $35 Larger reloads, LEUP required since these are on my magazine log 1 x I65 5mm single use (Rare, 10 second burn) - $70 1 x Cesaroni 5 grain 54mm K570 reload - 1 x Aerotech 54mm K250 reload, single use but requires closures - $240 1 x Aerotech 54mm K550 reload - $90 1 x Aerotech 54mm K700 reload - $130 1 x Aerotech 54mm K1100 reload - $90 1 x Aerotech 75mm L850 reload - $180 1 x Aerotech 75mm M650 reload - $290 EX cases, not anodized 54mm 39" long, thick wall for high pressure testing, can turn down to normal - $90 98mm 40" long, never fired (have raw tubes to make 2 more if wanted) - $150 98mm 51.75" long, fired twice - $200 114mm 62" long, never fired - $300 All of the above compatible with Loki nozzles and closures, or custom made available for lower price than Loki 4 x aluminum tubes, 4.5" OD, 3.75" ID - odd size. Correct OD for 114 mm, but walls too thick so ID is too small for standard 114m liners (4" airframe and couplers). Could be made into short 114 mm motors and ID bored to correct size. Harder to bore for longer motors. Could also be made into thick wall motors with either custom liners or case bonded, perfect for high pressure or long burn applications. See http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=14999&step=4&showunits=inches&i d=71&top_cat=60 for comparison. Online metals sells this stuff for $215 per 4' section, i'm selling for $115 per 4' section Would consider making some custom 114mm motors out of this stuff if someone was interested. 5 gallon bucket of DOA - $100 200u ap - 3 x 50lb bucket - $200 each _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jim at jmw29221.com Tue Dec 23 11:46:51 2008 From: jim at jmw29221.com (Jim Wilkerson) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:46:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] [AD] Scanner for shipping Message-ID: <27662.65.101.155.221.1230061611.squirrel@webmail.blastzone.com> Greetings all, and best wishes for a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. I have a Microtek ScanMaker 4900 scanner that I'm willing to give away for the cost of shipping it to you. It's in fine shape, and it comes with the power cord, a USB cable, original driver disk and slide scanning attachment. Microtek isn't planning to support the Mac OS 10.5 with updated drivers. Bastards. They have drivers to support Mac OS 10.4 and Windows XP (no Vista) here: http://support.microtek.com/downloads/bymodelname.phtml?srch_in=scanmaker%204900&axn=2&slct_mdl=14 So, if you're interested, contact me (off-list please!) Otherwise it'll go into the electronics recycling bin. Regards Jim From mrrominwa at yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 13:11:12 2008 From: mrrominwa at yahoo.com (dave woodard) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:11:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report In-Reply-To: <494EFD32.4060401@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <595900.11032.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> by know I have decided that a white christmas is overrated --- On Sun, 12/21/08, Hammer wrote: From: Hammer Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 6:36 PM Sounds like Frost & Fire 2008 was a success! Let's have another launch next month. This will give rocketeers more time to prepare rockets to fly for this next launch. How about Sunday, 18 January 2009 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park? Of course, this date and time is dependent on weather. Any one have any ideas for a name for this next launch? Robert Dave Randall wrote: > With looming clouds, 20 degree temps and rocket eating trees > surrounding the launch field on all sides, Steve Bloom, Brian > Whitemarsh, Cody Whitemarsh, Thomas Randall, Joshua Randall, Linda > Randall and David Randall all threw caution to the wind and strung out > the GSE in hopes of melting some snow, making some smoke and having a > great Frost & Fire 2008 Launch. > > The Randall tally: > > Estes Patriot flew 3 times on D12-7's. Easy recovery for flights one > and two, but flight three seemed drawn to the Western Rocket Magnet > and required blackberry bush recovery by two brave souls willing to > take a thorn (or 20) in the leg to recover the venerable Patriot > Payloader. > > Estes Baby Bertha flew once on a C5-3 - quick recovery back in the > middle of the field. > > Estes Trade Federation Droid Starfighter took off twice on a C5-3 and > had the first of many tree eating events occurred during recovery. > Fortunately, Thomas' baseball arm dislodged the chute with a rock. > > Applewhite Stealth Pyramid - An Apogee long burn 29mm F was in store > for this rocket, but it seemed anxious to hold on to the launch rod, > even under thrust. After taking the launch rod and pad 10' to the > north, the Pyramid let go and began a very unstable, yet delightfully > funny spinning, bouncing trip to the West. I think max altitude hit > 35'. Fun! > > Overall, great day to fly. The field was all ours, and there was only > about 3" of snow on the ground, so recoveries were easily visible. > > Photos posted here: http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/6879035_ipnsz > > I'll let Steve & Brian chime in on their launch events. Glad you guys > came! It was fun! > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- by know I have decided that a white christmas is overrated --- On Sun, 12/21/08, Hammer wrote: From: Hammer Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 6:36 PM Sounds like Frost & Fire 2008 was a success! Let's have another launch next month. This will give rocketeers more time to prepare rockets to fly for this next launch. How about Sunday, 18 January 2009 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park? Of course, this date and time is dependent on weather. Any one have any ideas for a name for this next launch? Robert Dave Randall wrote: > With looming clouds, 20 degree temps and rocket eating trees > surrounding the launch field on all sides, Steve Bloom, Brian > Whitemarsh, Cody Whitemarsh, Thomas Randall, Joshua Randall, Linda > Randall and David Randall all threw caution to the wind and strung out > the GSE in hopes of melting some snow, making some smoke and having a > great Frost & Fire 2008 Launch. > > The Randall tally: > > Estes Patriot flew 3 times on D12-7's. Easy recovery for flights one > and two, but flight three seemed drawn to the Western Rocket Magnet > and required blackberry bush recovery by two brave souls willing to > take a thorn (or 20) in the leg to recover the venerable Patriot > Payloader. > > Estes Baby Bertha flew once on a C5-3 - quick recovery back in the > middle of the field. > > Estes Trade Federation Droid Starfighter took off twice on a C5-3 and > had the first of many tree eating events occurred during recovery. > Fortunately, Thomas' baseball arm dislodged the chute with a rock. > > Applewhite Stealth Pyramid - An Apogee long burn 29mm F was in store > for this rocket, but it seemed anxious to hold on to the launch rod, > even under thrust. After taking the launch rod and pad 10' to the > north, the Pyramid let go and began a very unstable, yet delightfully > funny spinning, bouncing trip to the West. I think max altitude hit > 35'. Fun! > > Overall, great day to fly. The field was all ours, and there was only > about 3" of snow on the ground, so recoveries were easily visible. > > Photos posted here: http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/6879035_ipnsz > > I'll let Steve & Brian chime in on their launch events. Glad you guys > came! It was fun! > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From appusher at q.com Tue Dec 23 17:34:28 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:34:28 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report In-Reply-To: References: <6bc920e40812201442g2dad5971n91caacd9fd58c271@mail.gmail.com> <494EFD32.4060401@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Or " Smoke and Fog " EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: lsagan123 at msn.com> To: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:31:34 -0800> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report> > Robert, > How about "Frozen Thunder" > > > Ralph W. Strauser> TRA 006672> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> On Behalf Of Hammer> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 6:37 PM> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report> > Sounds like Frost & Fire 2008 was a success! Let's have another launch > next month. This will give rocketeers more time to prepare rockets to > fly for this next launch. How about Sunday, 18 January 2009 at 0900 at > 60 Acres Park? Of course, this date and time is dependent on weather.> Any one have any ideas for a name for this next launch?> > Robert> > > Dave Randall wrote:> > With looming clouds, 20 degree temps and rocket eating trees> > surrounding the launch field on all sides, Steve Bloom, Brian> > Whitemarsh, Cody Whitemarsh, Thomas Randall, Joshua Randall, Linda> > Randall and David Randall all threw caution to the wind and strung out> > the GSE in hopes of melting some snow, making some smoke and having a> > great Frost & Fire 2008 Launch.> >> > The Randall tally:> >> > Estes Patriot flew 3 times on D12-7's. Easy recovery for flights one> > and two, but flight three seemed drawn to the Western Rocket Magnet> > and required blackberry bush recovery by two brave souls willing to> > take a thorn (or 20) in the leg to recover the venerable Patriot> > Payloader.> >> > Estes Baby Bertha flew once on a C5-3 - quick recovery back in the> > middle of the field.> >> > Estes Trade Federation Droid Starfighter took off twice on a C5-3 and> > had the first of many tree eating events occurred during recovery.> > Fortunately, Thomas' baseball arm dislodged the chute with a rock.> >> > Applewhite Stealth Pyramid - An Apogee long burn 29mm F was in store> > for this rocket, but it seemed anxious to hold on to the launch rod,> > even under thrust. After taking the launch rod and pad 10' to the> > north, the Pyramid let go and began a very unstable, yet delightfully> > funny spinning, bouncing trip to the West. I think max altitude hit> > 35'. Fun!> >> > Overall, great day to fly. The field was all ours, and there was only> > about 3" of snow on the ground, so recoveries were easily visible.> >> > Photos posted here: http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/6879035_ipnsz> >> > I'll let Steve & Brian chime in on their launch events. Glad you guys> > came! It was fun!> >> > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 12/22/2008> 11:23 AM> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- ? ? Or " Smoke and Fog " http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: lsagan123 at msn.com > To: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:31:34 -0800 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report > > Robert, > How about "Frozen Thunder" > > > Ralph W. Strauser > TRA 006672 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Hammer > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 6:37 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report > > Sounds like Frost & Fire 2008 was a success! Let's have another launch > next month. This will give rocketeers more time to prepare rockets to > fly for this next launch. How about Sunday, 18 January 2009 at 0900 at > 60 Acres Park? Of course, this date and time is dependent on weather. > Any one have any ideas for a name for this next launch? > > Robert > > > Dave Randall wrote: > > With looming clouds, 20 degree temps and rocket eating trees > > surrounding the launch field on all sides, Steve Bloom, Brian > > Whitemarsh, Cody Whitemarsh, Thomas Randall, Joshua Randall, Linda > > Randall and David Randall all threw caution to the wind and strung out > > the GSE in hopes of melting some snow, making some smoke and having a > > great Frost & Fire 2008 Launch. > > > > The Randall tally: > > > > Estes Patriot flew 3 times on D12-7's. Easy recovery for flights one > > and two, but flight three seemed drawn to the Western Rocket Magnet > > and required blackberry bush recovery by two brave souls willing to > > take a thorn (or 20) in the leg to recover the venerable Patriot > > Payloader. > > > > Estes Baby Bertha flew once on a C5-3 - quick recovery back in the > > middle of the field. > > > > Estes Trade Federation Droid Starfighter took off twice on a C5-3 and > > had the first of many tree eating events occurred during recovery. > > Fortunately, Thomas' baseball arm dislodged the chute with a rock. > > > > Applewhite Stealth Pyramid - An Apogee long burn 29mm F was in store > > for this rocket, but it seemed anxious to hold on to the launch rod, > > even under thrust. After taking the launch rod and pad 10' to the > > north, the Pyramid let go and began a very unstable, yet delightfully > > funny spinning, bouncing trip to the West. I think max altitude hit > > 35'. Fun! > > > > Overall, great day to fly. The field was all ours, and there was only > > about 3" of snow on the ground, so recoveries were easily visible. > > > > Photos posted here: http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/6879035_ipnsz > > > > I'll let Steve & Brian chime in on their launch events. Glad you guys > > came! It was fun! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 12/22/2008 > 11:23 AM > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From appusher at q.com Tue Dec 23 17:50:29 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:50:29 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Update on the snow launch In-Reply-To: References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net><6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com><002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com> <49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com><49494906.1020604@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AA@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com><002201c96208$6f824ac0$4e86e040$@com> <6bc920e40812200826y54bc55b8p1f9a1bf3ac10531e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ground crews have been enthusiastically assembling snow sputnik's. Launch window has been extended to thursday morning right after our Annual Christmas breakfast with the family and grandkids. launch report and pictures to follow. Maybe a few test flights prior to the main event...... stay tuned.... EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: appusher at q.com> To: carl20320 at msn.com; dmrandall at gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 03:35:41 +0000> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch> > > Sounds like a great time for all.> > UPDATE ON THE ROCKET RANCH CAMPGROUND SNOW LAUNCH....> > All attempts so far to even make a snow ball sputnik rocket has been thwarted by excessive dry snow. I arranged a press for snow balls that produced 500lbs of crushing strength on the unwilling snow.> I still have a number of B and C estes motors standing by. The assembly and flight crews are on standby till late Sunday night when the launch window expires. Currently we have new material accumulating> for testing prior to assembly. Current predictions on new material arriving for testing is 6" to 20" in the next 12 hours. Prospects are looking good for a launch in our predicted launch window.> > Standby for further updates.> > Rocket Ranch Campground Launch Control> signing out for now> > Bill> > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: carl20320 at msn.com> To: dmrandall at gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:06:06 -0800> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch> > Well, it says FLY now. You better get out there soon, though. Down in SW> WA, it has already been snowing since early morning with snow showers all> night long.> > Carl> NAR 33262> TRA 11344> KE7DRZ> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall> > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:27 AM> > To: Scott Berfield> > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch> > > > We'll have to see how quickly the winds pick up, but I think > > the field is trying to tell us something!> > > > Take a look at: http://www.60acres.org/northcamera.html> > > > I think I can make out the word "FLY" in the snow! The field > > is calling us. (ok, use your imagination on the F - "CLY" is not a> > word...)> > > > Remember to dress warmly, and be prepared for the cold > > (weather link at 60 acres shows 6 degrees right now). Bring > > boots & gators if you have them to stave off the snow and > > keep your feet warm and dry.> > > > Dave> > > > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Scott Berfield > > wrote:> > > I'll try to drop by to watch. Don't really have anything in flying > > > shape. On the other hand, since my car is the only one capable of > > > negotiating our driveway and unplowed street (10" of snow), > > and since > > > tomorrow may be the last chance to get Christmas shopping > > done before > > > the big storm, I might need to be driving the wife around > > instead. Hope to make it though.> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> > > On Behalf Of Dave Randall> > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:13 PM> > > To: Schurke, Peter> > > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch> > >> > > While I appreciate the spirit of Robert's initial proposal for the > > > Frost & Fire (Winter Solstice - ring in the march to spring > > and warmer > > > weather), I'd rather have a launch than have to scrub a launch - > > > especially one that's informal.> > >> > > So, I propose two changes, date & time.> > >> > > Date: Saturday Dec 20th> > > Time: 11am - 2pm> > >> > > Hopefully we'll all be a bit warmer, drier, and enjoy some > > nice winter > > > sunshine on fresh fallen snow.> > >> > > I'll be there with my GSE on Saturday at 11 am. I'm happy to share > > > GSE with others. I will have a 12V launcher + pads with > > various sized > > > rods. Also will have my Aerotech copperhead adapter in > > case anyone is > > > doing the smaller sized APCP motors.> > >> > > Dave> > >> > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Schurke, Peter > > > wrote:> > >> Hey there, rocketry fans,> > >>> > >> Sunday 12/21 is forecast to have another dump of snow. Not really> > > conducive to a launch.> > >>> > >> Saturday 12/20 is looking clearer.> > >>> > >> Just a suggestion...> > >>> > >> Peter Schurke> > >> Teacher and Lead Advisor> > >> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy> > >> Ingraham High School> > >> Seattle, WA> > >>> > >> ________________________________> > >>> > >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer> > >> Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 10:46 AM> > >> To: Krausert, Robert; rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 > > Acres Park > > >> it is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the > > location on > > >> Google Maps.> > >> *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz> > >>> > >> *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th > > Street, Redmond, > > >> WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park > > >> with parking available on south field near the northwest > > corner right > > >> next to the river.> > >>> > >> Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras > > >> which look at both the north and south fields. > > >> http://www.60acres.org/home.html Now if we could just hook > > up some microphones for sound....> > >> I'll bring my camera to document the fun.> > >>> > >> Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are > > >> invited to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And > > >> since the place will be deserted both fields can be used > > for launch and recovery. Wahoo!> > >>> > >> Robert> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Krausert, Robert wrote:> > >>> Hi Robert,> > >>> Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? > > I've heard > > >>> many> > > of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located.> > >>>> > >>> Sounds like a fun event.> > >>> Cheers,> > >>> Robert> > >>>> > >>> -----Original Message-----> > >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM> > >>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch> > >>>> > >>> How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? > > The ground > > >>> will certainly be frozen and no soccer games are > > scheduled AFAIK. > > >>> BYOGSE and dress warmly.> > >>>> > >>> I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out.> > >>>> > >>> Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? > > The winter > > >>> solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a > > great way > > >>> to celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer.> > >>>> > >>> Anyone else interested?> > >>>> > >>> Robert> > >>>> > >>> Scott Berfield wrote:> > >>>> > >>>> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me.> > >>>>> > >>>> -----Original Message-----> > >>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> > >>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall> > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM> > >>>> To: Bill Munds> > >>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and > > >>>> Seattle metro area> > >>>>> > >>>> Photos from a few launches including last year's January > > Ice Launch..> > >>>> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys!> > >>>>> > >>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy> > >>>>> > >>>> Dave> > >>>> _______________________________________________> > >>>> Rockets mailing list> > >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________> > >>>> Rockets mailing list> > >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________> > >>> Rockets mailing list> > >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________> > >> Rockets mailing list> > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________> > >> Rockets mailing list> > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > - Dave> > > _______________________________________________> > > Rockets mailing list> > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > --> > - Dave> > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- ground?crews have been enthusiastically assembling snow sputnik's.? Launch window has been extended to thursday morning right after our Annual Christmas breakfast with the family and grandkids. launch report and pictures to follow.? Maybe a few test flights prior to the main event...... ? stay tuned.... http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: appusher at q.com > To: carl20320 at msn.com; dmrandall at gmail.com > Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 03:35:41 +0000 > CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch > > > Sounds like a great time for all. > > UPDATE ON THE ROCKET RANCH CAMPGROUND SNOW LAUNCH.... > > All attempts so far to even make a snow ball sputnik rocket has been thwarted by excessive dry snow. I arranged a press for snow balls that produced 500lbs of crushing strength on the unwilling snow. > I still have a number of B and C estes motors standing by. The assembly and flight crews are on standby till late Sunday night when the launch window expires. Currently we have new material accumulating > for testing prior to assembly. Current predictions on new material arriving for testing is 6" to 20" in the next 12 hours. Prospects are looking good for a launch in our predicted launch window. > > Standby for further updates. > > Rocket Ranch Campground Launch Control > signing out for now > > Bill > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: carl20320 at msn.com> To: dmrandall at gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:06:06 -0800> CC: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch> > Well, it says FLY now. You better get out there soon, though. Down in SW> WA, it has already been snowing since early morning with snow showers all> night long.> > Carl> NAR 33262> TRA 11344> KE7DRZ> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Randall> > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:27 AM> > To: Scott Berfield> > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch> > > > We'll have to see how quickly the winds pick up, but I think > > the field is trying to tell us something!> > > > Take a look at: http://www.60acres.org/northcamera.html> > > > I think I can make out the word "FLY" in the snow! The field > > is calling us. (ok, use your imagination on the F - "CLY" is not a> > word...)> > > > Remember to dress warmly, and be prepared for the cold > > (weather link at 60 acres shows 6 degrees right now). Bring > > boots & gators if you have them to stave off the snow and > > keep your feet warm and dry.> > > > Dave> > > > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Scott Berfield > > wrote:> > > I'll try to drop by to watch. Don't really have anything in flying > > > shape. On the other hand, since my car is the only one capable of > > > negotiating our driveway and unplowed street (10" of snow), > > and since > > > tomorrow may be the last chance to get Christmas shopping > > done before > > > the big storm, I might need to be driving the wife around > > instead. Hope to make it though.> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> > > On Behalf Of Dave Randall> > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:13 PM> > > To: Schurke, Peter> > > Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch> > >> > > While I appreciate the spirit of Robert's initial proposal for the > > > Frost & Fire (Winter Solstice - ring in the march to spring > > and warmer > > > weather), I'd rather have a launch than have to scrub a launch - > > > especially one that's informal.> > >> > > So, I propose two changes, date & time.> > >> > > Date: Saturday Dec 20th> > > Time: 11am - 2pm> > >> > > Hopefully we'll all be a bit warmer, drier, and enjoy some > > nice winter > > > sunshine on fresh fallen snow.> > >> > > I'll be there with my GSE on Saturday at 11 am. I'm happy to share > > > GSE with others. I will have a 12V launcher + pads with > > various sized > > > rods. Also will have my Aerotech copperhead adapter in > > case anyone is > > > doing the smaller sized APCP motors.> > >> > > Dave> > >> > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Schurke, Peter > > > wrote:> > >> Hey there, rocketry fans,> > >>> > >> Sunday 12/21 is forecast to have another dump of snow. Not really> > > conducive to a launch.> > >>> > >> Saturday 12/20 is looking clearer.> > >>> > >> Just a suggestion...> > >>> > >> Peter Schurke> > >> Teacher and Lead Advisor> > >> Ingraham Aerospace Sciences Academy> > >> Ingraham High School> > >> Seattle, WA> > >>> > >> ________________________________> > >>> > >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com on behalf of Hammer> > >> Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 10:46 AM> > >> To: Krausert, Robert; rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 rocket launch> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> For those who might be unfamiliar with the location of 60 > > Acres Park > > >> it is located in Redmond, WA. Here is a link showing the > > location on > > >> Google Maps.> > >> *http://tinyurl.com/5sdgfz> > >>> > >> *The address, if it had one, would be 15200 NE 116th > > Street, Redmond, > > >> WA 98052. 116th street cuts right through the middle of the park > > >> with parking available on south field near the northwest > > corner right > > >> next to the river.> > >>> > >> Those that don't attend can always watch the launch from cameras > > >> which look at both the north and south fields. > > >> http://www.60acres.org/home.html Now if we could just hook > > up some microphones for sound....> > >> I'll bring my camera to document the fun.> > >>> > >> Frost & Fire 2008 sounds like a good name to me, Dave. All are > > >> invited to this launch on 21DEC08 at 0900 at 60 Acres Park. And > > >> since the place will be deserted both fields can be used > > for launch and recovery. Wahoo!> > >>> > >> Robert> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Krausert, Robert wrote:> > >>> Hi Robert,> > >>> Dumb question. Where is 60 Acres located in Washington? > > I've heard > > >>> many> > > of you discuss it, but not sure where it is located.> > >>>> > >>> Sounds like a fun event.> > >>> Cheers,> > >>> Robert> > >>>> > >>> -----Original Message-----> > >>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:59 AM> > >>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] 60 Acres Winter Launch> > >>>> > >>> How about Sunday, 21 DEC 08 at about 0900 at 60 Acres? > > The ground > > >>> will certainly be frozen and no soccer games are > > scheduled AFAIK. > > >>> BYOGSE and dress warmly.> > >>>> > >>> I have a few new rockets I'd like to try out.> > >>>> > >>> Maybe an informal name for it could be Frost Fire 2008? > > The winter > > >>> solstice happens to be this 21st at 0404 so it would be a > > great way > > >>> to celebrate the start of the march toward Spring and Summer.> > >>>> > >>> Anyone else interested?> > >>>> > >>> Robert> > >>>> > >>> Scott Berfield wrote:> > >>>> > >>>> If you guys get one together this weekend, call me.> > >>>>> > >>>> -----Original Message-----> > >>>> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com> > > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> > >>>> On Behalf Of Dave Randall> > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM> > >>>> To: Bill Munds> > >>>> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>>> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Winter storm warning for Western WA and > > >>>> Seattle metro area> > >>>>> > >>>> Photos from a few launches including last year's January > > Ice Launch..> > >>>> Maybe this coming weekend will be just perfect with clear skys!> > >>>>> > >>>> http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/3387524_osizy> > >>>>> > >>>> Dave> > >>>> _______________________________________________> > >>>> Rockets mailing list> > >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________> > >>>> Rockets mailing list> > >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________> > >>> Rockets mailing list> > >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________> > >> Rockets mailing list> > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________> > >> Rockets mailing list> > >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > - Dave> > > _______________________________________________> > > Rockets mailing list> > > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > --> > - Dave> > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com Tue Dec 23 21:08:44 2008 From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:08:44 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report In-Reply-To: <6bc920e40812201442g2dad5971n91caacd9fd58c271@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bc920e40812201442g2dad5971n91caacd9fd58c271@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081217BE@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> Thanks to Dave and Brian for hosting the launch and bring the GSE. I had tossed my "rockets to go" box in the truck and grabbed the "box-o-engines" hoping when I got there I'd have a flyable combo. :>) My first attempt was an E9-6 in the Estes Big Daddy. The motor was way too tight to fit so I peeled a layer of paper and crammed it in. It stopped at the Dee motor hook which left about an inch of Eee hanging out. At ten feet high the pinwheel started and the rocket turned over about 4 times before a nice nose stick in the snow. The burn and delay exhaust lasted forever before a nice polite "pop" kicked the lower half up about a foot. The problem was I didn't use enough power, my constant problem through the years. So I found a single use Aerotech E15 that fit nicely. Great boost and a real long delay. Nominal deployment and the chute began carrying it towards the parking lot trees. Yup, direct hit. I got it down by climbing onto the top of my truck and poking it with a launch rod. Next up was a fax roll rocket with a hand carved balsa nose cone. It had a motor in it from last time out. Not sure what it was. :>) A 29mm single use somethin or other. After 3 no fire tries with the copperhead I was offered a first fire. Thanks, Brian. Nice hot liftoff and very little smoke. A deployment event at about 1000 feet and the drift was on, right into the very tippy top of the tallest poplar tree on the planet. Not wanting to end with an oh-for three score I stuffed another E15 into my modified Estes Sidewinder. This rocket flew during our first summer out at Monroe, way back in '98. Beautiful twisting boost out to the north and west. The wind pushed it towards the tallest poplar on the planet but it had enough alt to get over top... and into Sammamish slough, never to be seen again. Just a little more power and it would have made it to the next field :>). Thanks again guys for hosting a fun little neighborhood launch. See ya next year! steve From rcdm at outlawnet.com Tue Dec 23 21:30:03 2008 From: rcdm at outlawnet.com (Moorehead) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:30:03 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Nice Shuttle Photos References: <494855D5.3010208@earthlink.net><6bc920e40812170638o7b3d0075w8253535828edbb24@mail.gmail.com><002c01c96066$e673a8c0$b35afa40$@com><49493DDA.5070809@earthlink.net><0D4616E6925F9541919B60692F61509E1BD212A3@orsmsx502.amr.corp.intel.com><49494906.1020604@earthlink.net><844C3B8FA4FAED47AE3DAD6CD5EAF6A105EA99AA@CNOCEX04.seattleschools.org><6bc920e40812181913o7eed2b33l2f3516617dbb4d61@mail.gmail.com><002201c96208$6f824ac0$4e86e040$@com><6bc920e40812200826y54bc55b8p1f9a1bf3ac10531e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <33D9F3B094714345ABA021EA8C153D1F@DANE> Here's a link to some really interesting pics of the space shuttle Endeavour. Following it from landing through transporting, recycling prep, launch, flight and back to landing. http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/12/round_trip_with_endeavour.html This website periodicly has some great photo stories. Merry Christmas to all of you out there in rocketland! Rod Moorehead -------------- next part -------------- Here's a link to some really interesting pics of the space shuttle Endeavour. Following it from landing through transporting, recycling prep, launch, flight and back to landing. ? http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/12/round_trip_with_endeavour.html http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/12/round_trip_with_endeavour.html ? This website periodicly has some great photo stories. ? Merry Christmas to all of you out there in rocketland! ? Rod Moorehead From rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org Tue Dec 23 23:07:21 2008 From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org (Bob Grossfeld) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:07:21 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Happy Holidays Message-ID: Greetings all, I know 2008 has been a interesting year, and 2009 is just right around the corner Thanks for all your support. May your rockets fly straight and you have calm winds. A quick wish for you and your family: May all good things come your way this Holiday Season and always May the love and peace of Holiday touch your heart, surround your home ... May the magic of the Holiday Season be with you now and throughout the NewYear Enjoy, Bob Grossfeld Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory -------------- next part -------------- Happy Holidays Greetings all, I know 2008 has been a interesting year, and 2009 is just right around the corner Thanks for all your support. May your rockets fly straight and you have calm winds. A quick wish for you and your family: May all good things come your way this Holiday Season and always May the love and peace of Holiday touch your heart, surround your home ... May the magic of the Holiday Season be with you now and throughout the NewYear Enjoy, Bob Grossfeld Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Wed Dec 24 00:29:07 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:29:07 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago In-Reply-To: <20081222212912.8405.qmail@server298.com> References: <20081222212912.8405.qmail@server298.com> Message-ID: <4951F2D3.4040907@earthlink.net> NASA Television Commemorates Apollo 8 Christmas Eve Broadcast http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=27257 Robert Paul Nelson wrote: > 40 years. Are you feeling old? > > http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/local.ssf?/base/news/122994090341630.xml&coll=1 > > > > > Paul Nelson > > > > The opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily represent the views of any individual. ? Please discontinue reading this email if you experience hallucinations or incontinence. ? Any resemblance to a real email, living or dead, is purely coincidental. ? This email not tested with live animals. ? This email was created by a trained professional, using a highly modified computer; do not attempt to recreate it. ? This email uses only recycled electrons. ? Do not use alcohol in excess while reading this email. ? Some settling of email contents may occur during transmission. Do not read this email while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. ? Recipients are responsible for any local email taxes. ? This email subject to change without notice. ? Do not take this email internally. ? 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Only a doctor can tell if this email is right for you. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Wed Dec 24 01:48:22 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:48:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago In-Reply-To: <20081222212912.8405.qmail@server298.com> References: <20081222212912.8405.qmail@server298.com> Message-ID: <40ff4b4b5488829bac689f7929f2521b.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Feeling old? Oh yeah! But also feeling extremely privileged to have been alive and watching when it happened. The young people today just have NO idea, no idea at all. +McG+ > 40 years. Are you feeling old? > > http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/local.ssf?/base/news/122994090341630.xml&coll=1 > > > > > Paul Nelson > > > > The opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily represent the > views of any individual. ? Please discontinue reading this email if you > experience hallucinations or incontinence. ? Any resemblance to a real > email, living or dead, is purely coincidental. ? This email not tested > with live animals. ? This email was created by a trained professional, > using a highly modified computer; do not attempt to recreate it. ? This > email uses only recycled electrons. ? Do not use alcohol in excess while > reading this email. ? Some settling of email contents may occur during > transmission. Do not read this email while operating a motor vehicle or > heavy equipment. ? Recipients are responsible for any local email taxes. ? > This email subject to change without notice. ? Do not take this email > internally. ? 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Only a doctor can tell if > this email is right for you. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Wed Dec 24 03:18:44 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 03:18:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] (OT) Snowbound dreams Message-ID: <2434.208.100.241.5.1230117524.squirrel@www.worldaccessnet.com> Here's a little something for those of you succumbing to the effects of relentless snow: http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=1363 If only I had one! +McG+ From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Wed Dec 24 03:20:27 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 03:20:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] [Fwd: (OT) Snowbound dreams] Message-ID: ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [RocketsNW] (OT) Snowbound dreams From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Date: Wed, December 24, 2008 3:18 am To: rockets at rocketsnw.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's a little something for those of you succumbing to the effects of relentless snow: http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=1363 If only I had one! +McG+ _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From winningstad at comcast.net Wed Dec 24 04:09:13 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:09:13 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Happy Holidays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4183F9635D3C4673B6046175B7891F69@downstair> Gosh, Bob...Merry Christmas! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bob Grossfeld Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 11:07 PM To: rockets northwest Subject: [RocketsNW] Happy Holidays Greetings all, I know 2008 has been a interesting year, and 2009 is just right around the corner Thanks for all your support. May your rockets fly straight and you have calm winds. A quick wish for you and your family: May all good things come your way this Holiday Season and always May the love and peace of Holiday touch your heart, surround your home ... May the magic of the Holiday Season be with you now and throughout the NewYear Enjoy, Bob Grossfeld Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory From dmrandall at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 06:56:36 2008 From: dmrandall at gmail.com (Dave Randall) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 06:56:36 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report In-Reply-To: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081217BE@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> References: <6bc920e40812201442g2dad5971n91caacd9fd58c271@mail.gmail.com> <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081217BE@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: <6bc920e40812240656y13aa0458jbdac313a17a05c18@mail.gmail.com> Steve, Sorry to hear you didn't recover the sidewinder. I saw you had parked over at the West fallow field, but didn't see you searching. Assume the fax roll rocket came down in the winds, but haven't checked. Likely, snow has covered it to a depth of 5" by now. Dave On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Bloom, Steven E wrote: > > Thanks to Dave and Brian for hosting the launch and bring the GSE. I > had tossed my "rockets to go" box in the truck and grabbed the > "box-o-engines" hoping when I got there I'd have a flyable combo. :>) > > My first attempt was an E9-6 in the Estes Big Daddy. The motor was way > too tight to fit so I peeled a layer of paper and crammed it in. It > stopped at the Dee motor hook which left about an inch of Eee hanging > out. At ten feet high the pinwheel started and the rocket turned over > about 4 times before a nice nose stick in the snow. The burn and delay > exhaust lasted forever before a nice polite "pop" kicked the lower half > up about a foot. > > The problem was I didn't use enough power, my constant problem through > the years. So I found a single use Aerotech E15 that fit nicely. Great > boost and a real long delay. Nominal deployment and the chute began > carrying it towards the parking lot trees. Yup, direct hit. I got it > down by climbing onto the top of my truck and poking it with a launch > rod. > > Next up was a fax roll rocket with a hand carved balsa nose cone. It had > a motor in it from last time out. Not sure what it was. :>) A 29mm > single use somethin or other. After 3 no fire tries with the copperhead > I was offered a first fire. Thanks, Brian. Nice hot liftoff and very > little smoke. A deployment event at about 1000 feet and the drift was > on, right into the very tippy top of the tallest poplar tree on the > planet. > > Not wanting to end with an oh-for three score I stuffed another E15 into > my modified Estes Sidewinder. This rocket flew during our first summer > out at Monroe, way back in '98. Beautiful twisting boost out to the > north and west. The wind pushed it towards the tallest poplar on the > planet but it had enough alt to get over top... and into Sammamish > slough, never to be seen again. Just a little more power and it would > have made it to the next field :>). > > Thanks again guys for hosting a fun little neighborhood launch. See ya > next year! > > steve > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > -- - Dave From bennightfam at hotmail.com Wed Dec 24 08:29:11 2008 From: bennightfam at hotmail.com (C Bennight) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:29:11 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Happy Holidays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello everyone, Merry Christmas to all and thanks for helping out a beginning rocketeer. Mike Bennight> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:07:21 -0800> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org> Subject: [RocketsNW] Happy Holidays> > Greetings all,> I know 2008 has been a interesting year, and 2009 is just right > around the corner> > Thanks for all your support. May your rockets fly straight and you > have calm winds.> > A quick wish for you and your family:> > May all good things come your way> this Holiday Season and always> May the love and peace of Holiday touch your heart,> surround your home ...> May the magic of the Holiday> Season be with you now and throughout the NewYear> > Enjoy,> Bob Grossfeld> Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 -------------- next part -------------- Hello everyone, Merry Christmas to all and thanks for helping out a beginning rocketeer. ? Mike Bennight > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:07:21 -0800 > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > From: rockets at sunrivernaturecenter.org > Subject: [RocketsNW] Happy Holidays > > Greetings all, > I know 2008 has been a interesting year, and 2009 is just right > around the corner > > Thanks for all your support. May your rockets fly straight and you > have calm winds. > > A quick wish for you and your family: > > May all good things come your way > this Holiday Season and always > May the love and peace of Holiday touch your heart, > surround your home ... > May the magic of the Holiday > Season be with you now and throughout the NewYear > > Enjoy, > Bob Grossfeld > Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 Get your Hotmail? account now. From andrewm at hawkfeather.com Wed Dec 24 09:04:35 2008 From: andrewm at hawkfeather.com (Andrew MacMillen) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:04:35 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago In-Reply-To: <40ff4b4b5488829bac689f7929f2521b.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> References: <20081222212912.8405.qmail@server298.com> <40ff4b4b5488829bac689f7929f2521b.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> Message-ID: <49526BA3.7020400@hawkfeather.com> Small & large video: http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo8_xmas.html Andrew. kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote: > Feeling old? Oh yeah! > > But also feeling extremely privileged to have been alive and watching when > it happened. The young people today just have NO idea, no idea at all. > +McG+ > > >> 40 years. Are you feeling old? >> >> http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/local.ssf?/base/news/122994090341630.xml&coll=1 >> >> >> >> >> Paul Nelson >> >> >> >> The opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily represent the >> views of any individual. ? Please discontinue reading this email if you >> experience hallucinations or incontinence. ? Any resemblance to a real >> email, living or dead, is purely coincidental. ? This email not tested >> with live animals. ? This email was created by a trained professional, >> using a highly modified computer; do not attempt to recreate it. ? This >> email uses only recycled electrons. ? Do not use alcohol in excess while >> reading this email. ? Some settling of email contents may occur during >> transmission. Do not read this email while operating a motor vehicle or >> heavy equipment. ? Recipients are responsible for any local email taxes. ? >> This email subject to change without notice. ? Do not take this email >> internally. ? Check label for instructions on how to care for this email. >> ? Not responsible for direct, indirect, incidental or consequential >> damages resulting from any defect or error in this email. ? Please wear >> safety glasses while reading this email ? This email will not prevent >> spread of STDs. ? Please store this email in a cool, dry server. ? Email >> author does not carry cash. ? This email should not be read by women who >> are pregnant or may become pregnant. ? Your reading time may vary. ? >> Please note where the nearest exits from this email are located. ? Keep >> this email out of reach of children. ?Your chance of winning depends on >> the number of emails received. ? This email was processed on a computer >> that has also processed peanuts and shellfish. ? Only a doctor can tell if >> this email is right for you. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Wed Dec 24 09:11:26 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:11:26 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Nike Missile Base where the cold war never ended Message-ID: <49526D3E.8030502@earthlink.net> http://tinyurl.com/6xlufb From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Wed Dec 24 09:15:47 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:15:47 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report In-Reply-To: References: <6bc920e40812201442g2dad5971n91caacd9fd58c271@mail.gmail.com> <494EFD32.4060401@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49526E43.6040906@earthlink.net> So far the names that are popular are: 1. Snow and Thunder 2. Winter Heat and now 3. Frozen Thunder Any one else with suggestions for names? Robert Ralph Strauser wrote: > Robert, > How about "Frozen Thunder" > > > Ralph W. Strauser > TRA 006672 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Hammer > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 6:37 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Frost & Fire 2008 Launch Report > > Sounds like Frost & Fire 2008 was a success! Let's have another launch > next month. This will give rocketeers more time to prepare rockets to > fly for this next launch. How about Sunday, 18 January 2009 at 0900 at > 60 Acres Park? Of course, this date and time is dependent on weather. > Any one have any ideas for a name for this next launch? > > Robert > > > Dave Randall wrote: > >> With looming clouds, 20 degree temps and rocket eating trees >> surrounding the launch field on all sides, Steve Bloom, Brian >> Whitemarsh, Cody Whitemarsh, Thomas Randall, Joshua Randall, Linda >> Randall and David Randall all threw caution to the wind and strung out >> the GSE in hopes of melting some snow, making some smoke and having a >> great Frost & Fire 2008 Launch. >> >> The Randall tally: >> >> Estes Patriot flew 3 times on D12-7's. Easy recovery for flights one >> and two, but flight three seemed drawn to the Western Rocket Magnet >> and required blackberry bush recovery by two brave souls willing to >> take a thorn (or 20) in the leg to recover the venerable Patriot >> Payloader. >> >> Estes Baby Bertha flew once on a C5-3 - quick recovery back in the >> middle of the field. >> >> Estes Trade Federation Droid Starfighter took off twice on a C5-3 and >> had the first of many tree eating events occurred during recovery. >> Fortunately, Thomas' baseball arm dislodged the chute with a rock. >> >> Applewhite Stealth Pyramid - An Apogee long burn 29mm F was in store >> for this rocket, but it seemed anxious to hold on to the launch rod, >> even under thrust. After taking the launch rod and pad 10' to the >> north, the Pyramid let go and began a very unstable, yet delightfully >> funny spinning, bouncing trip to the West. I think max altitude hit >> 35'. Fun! >> >> Overall, great day to fly. The field was all ours, and there was only >> about 3" of snow on the ground, so recoveries were easily visible. >> >> Photos posted here: http://dmrimaging.smugmug.com/gallery/6879035_ipnsz >> >> I'll let Steve & Brian chime in on their launch events. Glad you guys >> came! It was fun! >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 12/22/2008 > 11:23 AM > > > From sb at berfield.com Wed Dec 24 12:08:46 2008 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:08:46 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago In-Reply-To: <4951F2D3.4040907@earthlink.net> References: <20081222212912.8405.qmail@server298.com> <4951F2D3.4040907@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000e01c96603$6e04e780$4a0eb680$@com> I remember watching that on our old black and white TV when I was 9. And yes I feel old. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:29 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago NASA Television Commemorates Apollo 8 Christmas Eve Broadcast http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=27257 Robert Paul Nelson wrote: > 40 years. Are you feeling old? > > http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/local.ssf?/base/news/122994090341630. xml&coll=1 > > > > > Paul Nelson > > > > The opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily represent the views of any individual. - Please discontinue reading this email if you experience hallucinations or incontinence. - Any resemblance to a real email, living or dead, is purely coincidental. - This email not tested with live animals. - This email was created by a trained professional, using a highly modified computer; do not attempt to recreate it. - This email uses only recycled electrons. - Do not use alcohol in excess while reading this email. - Some settling of email contents may occur during transmission. Do not read this email while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. - Recipients are responsible for any local email taxes. - This email subject to change without notice. - Do not take this email internally. - Check label for instructions on how to care for this email. - Not responsible for direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages resulting from any defect or error in this email. - Please wear safety glasses while reading this email - This email will not prevent spread of STDs. - Please store this email in a cool, dry server. - Email author does not carry cash. - This email should not be read by women who are pregnant or may become pregnant. - Your reading time may vary. - Please note where the nearest exits from this email are located. - Keep this email out of reach of children. -Your chance of winning depends on the number of emails received. - This email was processed on a computer that has also processed peanuts and shellfish. - Only a doctor can tell if this email is right for you. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From jaydee_007 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 24 13:02:09 2008 From: jaydee_007 at hotmail.com (John Doyle) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:02:09 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago In-Reply-To: <000e01c96603$6e04e780$4a0eb680$@com> References: <20081222212912.8405.qmail@server298.com> <4951F2D3.4040907@earthlink.net> <000e01c96603$6e04e780$4a0eb680$@com> Message-ID: I, too, watched that broadcast on Christmas Eve. Bur I don't feel old. I feel saddened that even then the US had couldn't sustain the collective will to make something more out of that achievement. We let the X program falter and then fade away, a program which would have given us ground take off space planes. Then we let the moon program wither on the vine, never taking the next step to Mars. Opportunity Lost! jd > From: sb at berfield.com> To: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:08:46 -0800> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago> > I remember watching that on our old black and white TV when I was 9. And yes> I feel old.> > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> On Behalf Of Hammer> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:29 AM> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago> > NASA Television Commemorates Apollo 8 Christmas Eve Broadcast> http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=27257> > Robert> > Paul Nelson wrote:> > 40 years. Are you feeling old?> >> >> http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/local.ssf?/base/news/122994090341630.> xml&coll=1> >> >> >> >> > Paul Nelson> >> >> >> > The opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily represent the> views of any individual. - Please discontinue reading this email if you> experience hallucinations or incontinence. - Any resemblance to a real> email, living or dead, is purely coincidental. - This email not tested with> live animals. - This email was created by a trained professional, using a> highly modified computer; do not attempt to recreate it. - This email uses> only recycled electrons. - Do not use alcohol in excess while reading this> email. - Some settling of email contents may occur during transmission. Do> not read this email while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. -> Recipients are responsible for any local email taxes. - This email subject> to change without notice. - Do not take this email internally. - Check label> for instructions on how to care for this email. - Not responsible for> direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages resulting from any> defect or error in this email. - Please wear safety glasses while reading> this email - This email will not prevent spread of STDs. - Please store this> email in a cool, dry server. - Email author does not carry cash. - This> email should not be read by women who are pregnant or may become pregnant. -> Your reading time may vary. - Please note where the nearest exits from this> email are located. - Keep this email out of reach of children. -Your chance> of winning depends on the number of emails received. - This email was> processed on a computer that has also processed peanuts and shellfish. -> Only a doctor can tell if this email is right for you.> >> > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 -------------- next part -------------- I, too,?watched that broadcast on Christmas Eve. ? Bur I don't feel old. ? I feel saddened that even then the US had?couldn't sustain?the collective will?to make something more out?of that achievement. We let the X program falter and then fade away, a program?which would have given us ground take off space planes. Then we let?the moon program wither on the vine, never taking the next?step to Mars.? ? Opportunity Lost! ? jd > From: sb at berfield.com > To: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:08:46 -0800 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago > > I remember watching that on our old black and white TV when I was 9. And yes > I feel old. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Hammer > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:29 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago > > NASA Television Commemorates Apollo 8 Christmas Eve Broadcast > http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=27257 > > Robert > > Paul Nelson wrote: > > 40 years. Are you feeling old? > > > > > http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/local.ssf?/base/news/122994090341630. > xml&coll=1 > > > > > > > > > > Paul Nelson > > > > > > > > The opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily represent the > views of any individual. - Please discontinue reading this email if you > experience hallucinations or incontinence. - Any resemblance to a real > email, living or dead, is purely coincidental. - This email not tested with > live animals. - This email was created by a trained professional, using a > highly modified computer; do not attempt to recreate it. - This email uses > only recycled electrons. - Do not use alcohol in excess while reading this > email. - Some settling of email contents may occur during transmission. 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From MartyWeiser at comcast.net Wed Dec 24 14:16:03 2008 From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty2) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:16:03 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Is someone snowbound? - was Nike Missile Base where the cold war never ended In-Reply-To: <49526D3E.8030502@earthlink.net> References: <49526D3E.8030502@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003d01c96615$3617de10$a2479a30$@net> It looks to me like Hammer is snowbound and we are the beneficiaries. This has been some neat stuff to look over. - Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:11 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Nike Missile Base where the cold war never ended http://tinyurl.com/6xlufb _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From winningstad at comcast.net Wed Dec 24 14:24:05 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:24:05 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago In-Reply-To: References: <20081222212912.8405.qmail@server298.com><4951F2D3.4040907@earthlink.net> <000e01c96603$6e04e780$4a0eb680$@com> Message-ID: <4313F747EB4D4D6A8737B9E383CAC1B1@downstair> John, Ground takeoff space planes IMHO just aint practical...but then, neither is the shuttle! We keep getting promised lower cost/pound > orbit, but the price keeps going up. AND we've lost how many to the shuttle program? Private industry usually does better than gov bureaucracy! Unless it's the east coast...or Chicago...or AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of John Doyle Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:02 PM To: sb at berfield.com; hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago I, too, watched that broadcast on Christmas Eve. Bur I don't feel old. I feel saddened that even then the US had couldn't sustain the collective will to make something more out of that achievement. We let the X program falter and then fade away, a program which would have given us ground take off space planes. Then we let the moon program wither on the vine, never taking the next step to Mars. Opportunity Lost! jd > From: sb at berfield.com> To: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:08:46 -0800> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago> > I remember watching that on our old black and white TV when I was 9. And yes> I feel old.> > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> On Behalf Of Hammer> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:29 AM> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago> > NASA Television Commemorates Apollo 8 Christmas Eve Broadcast> http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=27257> > Robert> > Paul Nelson wrote:> > 40 years. Are you feeling old?> >> >> http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/local.ssf?/base/news/122994090341630. > xml&coll=1> >> >> >> >> > Paul Nelson> >> >> >> > The opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily represent the> views of any individual. - Please discontinue reading this email if you> experience hallucinations or incontinence. - Any resemblance to a real> email, living or dead, is purely coincidental. - This email not tested with> live animals. - This email was created by a trained professional, using a> highly modified computer; do not attempt to recreate it. - This email uses> only recycled electrons. - Do not use alcohol in excess while reading this> email. - Some settling of email contents may occur during transmission. Do> not read this email while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. -> Recipients are responsible for any local email taxes. - This email subject> to change without notice. - Do not take this email internally. - Check label> for instructions on how to care for this email. - Not responsible for> direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages resulting from any> defect or error in this email. - Please wear safety glasses while reading> this email - This email will not prevent spread of STDs. - Please store this> email in a cool, dry server. - Email author does not carry cash. - This> email should not be read by women who are pregnant or may become pregnant. -> Your reading time may vary. - Please note where the nearest exits from this> email are located. - Keep this email out of reach of children. -Your chance> of winning depends on the number of emails received. - This email was> processed on a computer that has also processed peanuts and shellfish. -> Only a doctor can tell if this email is right for you.> >> > _______________________________________________> > Rockets mailing list> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_12 2008 From john_lyngdal at verizon.net Wed Dec 24 17:28:03 2008 From: john_lyngdal at verizon.net (John Lyngdal) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:28:03 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Is someone snowbound? - was Nike Missile Base where the cold war never ended In-Reply-To: <003d01c96615$3617de10$a2479a30$@net> References: <49526D3E.8030502@earthlink.net> <003d01c96615$3617de10$a2479a30$@net> Message-ID: <002601c96630$08ad7aa0$1a086fe0$@net> The first Saturday(?) of each month SF-88 is open for tours of the site including erection of a missile from the bunker. The folks giving the tour are former Nike Missilemen, so they can give a first-hand account of the battery in action. I took the tour several years ago, but it was well worth the trip. John -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Marty2 Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 2:16 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Is someone snowbound? - was Nike Missile Base where the cold war never ended It looks to me like Hammer is snowbound and we are the beneficiaries. This has been some neat stuff to look over. - Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:11 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Nike Missile Base where the cold war never ended http://tinyurl.com/6xlufb _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bar0051 at homenetnw.net Wed Dec 24 18:54:09 2008 From: bar0051 at homenetnw.net (Bryon Schopp) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:54:09 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Nike Missile Base where the cold war never ended References: <49526D3E.8030502@earthlink.net> Message-ID: There is a couple of Nike's 17 miles north of Mansfield in the park in Bridgeport. http://www.bridgeportwashington.com/rec.html Scroll down to the bottom of the page for the photo. Bryon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hammer" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: [RocketsNW] Nike Missile Base where the cold war never ended > http://tinyurl.com/6xlufb > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Wed Dec 24 19:22:15 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:22:15 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago In-Reply-To: <000e01c96603$6e04e780$4a0eb680$@com> References: <20081222212912.8405.qmail@server298.com> <4951F2D3.4040907@earthlink.net> <000e01c96603$6e04e780$4a0eb680$@com> Message-ID: <4952FC67.8010505@earthlink.net> Yet a higher goal was calling, and we vowed to reach it soon. And we gave ourselves a decade, to put fire on the Moon. And Apollo told the world, we can do it if we try. The was "one small step," and a fire in the sky. I dreamed last night, of a little boy's first space flight. Burned into me, watching the black and white TV There was a fire in the sky. I'll remember 'til I die! A fire in the sky. A fire in the sky! Lyrics by Jordin Kare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ryd_p20XEU Scott Berfield wrote: > I remember watching that on our old black and white TV when I was 9. And yes > I feel old. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Hammer > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:29 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago > > NASA Television Commemorates Apollo 8 Christmas Eve Broadcast > http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=27257 > > Robert > > Paul Nelson wrote: > >> 40 years. Are you feeling old? >> >> >> > http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/local.ssf?/base/news/122994090341630. > xml&coll=1 > >> >> >> Paul Nelson >> >> >> >> The opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily represent the >> > views of any individual. - Please discontinue reading this email if you > experience hallucinations or incontinence. - Any resemblance to a real > email, living or dead, is purely coincidental. - This email not tested with > live animals. - This email was created by a trained professional, using a > highly modified computer; do not attempt to recreate it. - This email uses > only recycled electrons. - Do not use alcohol in excess while reading this > email. - Some settling of email contents may occur during transmission. Do > not read this email while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. - > Recipients are responsible for any local email taxes. - This email subject > to change without notice. - Do not take this email internally. - Check label > for instructions on how to care for this email. - Not responsible for > direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages resulting from any > defect or error in this email. - Please wear safety glasses while reading > this email - This email will not prevent spread of STDs. - Please store this > email in a cool, dry server. - Email author does not carry cash. - This > email should not be read by women who are pregnant or may become pregnant. - > Your reading time may vary. - Please note where the nearest exits from this > email are located. - Keep this email out of reach of children. -Your chance > of winning depends on the number of emails received. - This email was > processed on a computer that has also processed peanuts and shellfish. - > Only a doctor can tell if this email is right for you. > >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > > From matjamison at aol.com Wed Dec 24 20:09:32 2008 From: matjamison at aol.com (matjamison at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:09:32 -0500 Subject: [RocketsNW] Is someone snowbound? - was Nike Missile Base where the cold war never ended Message-ID: <8CB345DB9750304-D34-FB8@webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the link, brought back fond memories of visiting SF-88 with the Boy Scouts.?If I remember correctly, the hydraulic doors and lift were working when I visited. Its an amazing tour with knowledgable tour guides; if you get the opportunity go for it! you wont be disappointed. Matt . . . -------------- next part -------------- Thanks for the link, brought back fond memories of visiting SF-88 with the Boy Scouts . ? If I remember correctly, the hydraulic doors and lift were working when I visited . Its an amazing tour with knowledgable tour guides; if you get the opportunity go for it! you wont be disappointed. Matt . . . Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations ? including songs for the holidays ? FREE while you browse. http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013 Start Listening Now ! From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 20:29:00 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:29:00 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year References: Message-ID: <002d01c96649$504d2a90$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> >From the Krausert family and rockets to your family and rockets. May your new AP, tubes, fiberglass, fins, nosecones, electronics have a great 2009. Stay warm, stay safe, and keep the building of rockets on the dining room table alive. >From the Krausert's to you and your family, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Cheers, Robert From vonrang at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 20:44:34 2008 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:44:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Season's Gratings Message-ID: <531264.94756.qm@web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I want to wish to one and all a Hairy Mistress! Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com From bigrockets at verizon.net Wed Dec 24 21:44:28 2008 From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:44:28 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Nike Missile Base where the cold war never ended In-Reply-To: <49526D3E.8030502@earthlink.net> References: <49526D3E.8030502@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005a01c96653$da81ace0$8f8506a0$@net> That is a great restoration of a Herc site. The only operational Herc site I saw was a tactical one at Taejon-I South Korea when I was down there for our 38th bde annual service practice. There were four Herc launchers on the firing line and four Hawk launchers. The launchers were above ground seems to me. I can tell you this watching a Hercules go up from close proximity is nothing short of awesome. They are loud to an exponential degree, but it's "a deep, vibrate the air in your lungs" sort of a sound. Nothing any rocket head couldn't handle. It is interesting to see a CW Aq. Radar in a a Herc battery. The Hawk uses one almost identical to the one shown on the site. The main differences between Hercules radar and Hawk radar is the Hercs use a missile tracking radar along with a target tracking radar and probably some sort of acquisition radar (pulse I would imagine.) Not being a Herc man I don't know, (chime in here Dennis.) The Hawk system uses two HIPIR (high power illuminator radars) Dopper target tracking systems. There's a CW Aq that furnishes Doppler aszimuth radial speed data, a pulse aquistion radar for target detection. Last but not least the infamous Lockheed ROR (range only radar) I say imfamous because I have never seen one damn ROR that worked. Not one. Every Hawk battery I knew had one of these albatrosses and none of them worked. What a waste of tax payer money those pieces of shit turned out to be. We didn't need them any how. They were just used in a ECW type of situation furnishing range data in a jamming mode. What I always thought was cool was the Hawk's target and fuze Doppler amplifier and speedgate would switch over to a HOJ (home on jam) mode it if detected a jamming source nearby. It would turn into sort of a really big beam rider and fly right into the jamming source, ala Shrikes. Sorry didn't mean to change subjects here. Was contrasting and comparing radars from Nike Herc and Hawks and other similarities and differences. Ya had to be there. Dave Proffitt -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:11 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] Nike Missile Base where the cold war never ended http://tinyurl.com/6xlufb _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 21:58:24 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:58:24 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Season's Gratings References: <531264.94756.qm@web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005401c96655$cd0c2bb0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> That is amazing Baldric, you spelled Merry Christmas without using a single letter correct. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Grado" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Season's Gratings >I want to wish to one and all a Hairy Mistress! > > Sam Grado > TRA-L2 > > "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From winningstad at comcast.net Wed Dec 24 22:00:46 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:00:46 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Season's Gratings In-Reply-To: <005401c96655$cd0c2bb0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> References: <531264.94756.qm@web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <005401c96655$cd0c2bb0$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <3E2B883140F5477E968FCEE7592AE334@downstair> Oh PASHAW Robert! Y & S were correctly placed last and in order!!! Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Robert Krausert Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:58 PM To: vonrang at yahoo.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Season's Gratings That is amazing Baldric, you spelled Merry Christmas without using a single letter correct. Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Grado" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] Season's Gratings >I want to wish to one and all a Hairy Mistress! > > Sam Grado > TRA-L2 > > "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" > > http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html > http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets > samgrado at pvconly.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at bigredbee.com Wed Dec 24 22:04:45 2008 From: greg at bigredbee.com (Greg Clark) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:04:45 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Fwd: ARLISS/XPRS 2009 Dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FYI -- I believe there was some earlier email on this list that I was involved w/ that indicated a different date -- here's the latest information. -- Greg ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: TFISH38 at aol.com Date: Dec 24, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: [ARLISS Flyers] ARLISS/XPRS 2009 Dates To: arliss-flyers at googlegroups.com There was a problem with the announced 2009 AeroPac launch schedule. Even after checking dates several times, I made a goof. I wish to apologize for any inconvenience I've caused to anyone. ARLISS/XPRS will be held in it's normal third week time slot...see below. The changes have been made to our web pages. If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me. Tony Alcocer Tfish38 at aol.com 707-526-4631 *ARLISS/XPRS 2009* ** * ARLISS: Monday Sept 14 Setup Tues-Friday Sept 15-18 ARLISS Rules XPRS: Fri/Sun Sept 18-20 Commercial Rules Monday Sept 21 Research Rules * ------------------------------ One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now . -------------- next part -------------- FYI -- ? I believe there was some earlier email on this list that I was involved w/ that indicated a different date -- here's the latest information. ? -- Greg ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: mailto:TFISH38 at aol.com TFISH38 at aol.com < mailto:TFISH38 at aol.com TFISH38 at aol.com > Date: Dec 24, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: [ARLISS Flyers] ARLISS/XPRS 2009 Dates To: mailto:arliss-flyers at googlegroups.com arliss-flyers at googlegroups.com ? ? There was a problem with the?announced 2009 AeroPac launch schedule. Even after checking?dates?several times, I made a goof. I wish to apologize?for any inconvenience I've caused to anyone. ARLISS/XPRS will be held in?it's normal?third?week time slot...see below. The changes have been made to our web pages. If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me. ? Tony Alcocer mailto:Tfish38 at aol.com Tfish38 at aol.com 707-526-4631 ? ARLISS/XPRS? 2009 ? ARLISS: Monday ???????????? Sept?14 ?????????????????????? Setup Tues-Friday ??????? Sept 15-18 ????????????????? ARLISS Rules ? XPRS: ?????? Fri/Sun ?????????? ?? Sept 18-20????? ?????? Commercial Rules ?Monday ??????????? Sept 21 ????????????????????? Research Rules One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025 Try it now . From tfish38 at aol.com Thu Dec 25 09:24:18 2008 From: tfish38 at aol.com (tfish38 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:24:18 -0500 Subject: [RocketsNW] Fwd: ARLISS/XPRS 2009 Dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB34CCC04B78B0-C34-36C0@webmail-md01.sysops.aol.com> And thnaks to the Northwest guys for pointing out my goof! Tony Alcocer AeroPac -----Original Message----- From: Greg Clark To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:04 pm Subject: [RocketsNW] Fwd: ARLISS/XPRS 2009 Dates FYI -- ? I believe there was some earlier email on this list that I was involved w/ that indicated a different date -- here's the latest information. ? -- Greg ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: mailto:TFISH38 at aol.com TFISH38 at aol.com < mailto:TFISH38 at aol.com TFISH38 at aol.com > Date: Dec 24, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: [ARLISS Flyers] ARLISS/XPRS 2009 Dates To: mailto:arliss-flyers at googlegroups.com arliss-flyers at googlegroups.com ? ? There was a problem with the?announced 2009 AeroPac launch schedule. Even after checking?dates?several times, I made a goof. I wish to apologize?for any inconvenience I've caused to anyone. ARLISS/XPRS will be held in?it's normal?third?week time slot...see below. The changes have been made to our web pages. If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me. ? Tony Alcocer mailto:Tfish38 at aol.com Tfish38 at aol.com 707-526-4631 ? ARLISS/XPRS? 2009 ? ARLISS: Monday ???????????? Sept?14 ?????????????????????? Setup Tues-Friday ??????? Sept 15-18 ????????????????? ARLISS Rules ? XPRS: ?????? Fri/Sun ?????????? ?? Sept 18-20????? ?????? Commercial Rules ?Monday ??????????? Sept 21 ????????????????????? Research Rules One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025 Try it now . _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets -------------- next part -------------- Tony Alcocer AeroPac -----Original Message----- From: Greg Clark To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Sent: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:04 pm Subject: [RocketsNW] Fwd: ARLISS/XPRS 2009 Dates FYI -- ? I believe there was some earlier email on this list that I was involved w/ that indicated a different date -- here's the latest information. ? -- Greg ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: mailto:TFISH38 at aol.com? mailto:TFISH38 at aol.com mailto:TFISH38 at aol.com TFISH38 at aol.com < mailto:TFISH38 at aol.com? mailto:TFISH38 at aol.com mailto:TFISH38 at aol.com TFISH38 at aol.com > Date: Dec 24, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: [ARLISS Flyers] ARLISS/XPRS 2009 Dates To: mailto:arliss-flyers at googlegroups.com? mailto:arliss-flyers at googlegroups.com mailto:arliss-flyers at googlegroups.com arliss-flyers at googlegroups.com ? ? There was a problem with the?announced 2009 AeroPac launch schedule. Even after checking?dates?several times, I made a goof. I wish to apologize?for any inconvenience I've caused to anyone. ARLISS/XPRS will be held in?it's normal?third?week time slot...see below. The changes have been made to our web pages. 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From jpr602 at mac.com Thu Dec 25 12:05:23 2008 From: jpr602 at mac.com (John Roberts) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:05:23 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Apollo 8 - 40 years ago In-Reply-To: <49526BA3.7020400@hawkfeather.com> References: <20081222212912.8405.qmail@server298.com> <40ff4b4b5488829bac689f7929f2521b.squirrel@www.wa-net.com> <49526BA3.7020400@hawkfeather.com> Message-ID: <502AA3C0-6102-427D-8FDB-E9DD434C0A52@mac.com> On Dec 24, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Andrew MacMillen wrote: > Small & large video: > > http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo8_xmas.html > > Andrew. I would like to see the whole broadcast unedited, unnarrated. It might be in this: http://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Leaving-Cradle-Spacecraft-Films/dp/B00009XYYE -------------- next part -------------- On Dec 24, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Andrew MacMillen wrote: Small & large video: http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo8_xmas.html http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo8_xmas.html Andrew. I would like to see the whole broadcast unedited, unnarrated. It might be in this: ? http://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Leaving-Cradle-Spacecraft-Films/dp/B00009XYYE http://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Leaving-Cradle-Spacecraft-Films/dp/B00009XYYE From brodwcjj at integrity.com Thu Dec 25 21:15:09 2008 From: brodwcjj at integrity.com (brodwcjj at integrity.com) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:15:09 -0600 Subject: [RocketsNW] Season's Gratings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081225231509.85051gpqe9sjdzko@wm.integrity.com> "Hairy Mistress" ? .... Now that would be a good name for a rocket launch. or maybe a punk rock band Dustin Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:44:34 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Grado Subject: [RocketsNW] Season's Gratings To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Message-ID: <531264.94756.qm at web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I want to wish to one and all a Hairy Mistress! Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" From MartyWeiser at comcast.net Thu Dec 25 21:35:24 2008 From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty2) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:35:24 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket In-Reply-To: <7A8A8467-DF06-49C6-836B-F6D702612963@comcast.net> References: <6bc920e40812071329h581ae779mf3ccab166fcf38e0@mail.gmail.com> <7A8A8467-DF06-49C6-836B-F6D702612963@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007d01c9671b$c1211b00$43635100$@net> In either 2006 or 2005 I won the start of a rocket during the raffle and I think Scott implied that there was a story behind it. It is a 24" long by 2.25" diameter heavy cardboard tube with a 29 mm motor mount rolled from cardboard, a dinged up balsa nose cone, and a 16" olive drab military style chute (possibly for a flare). I plan to convert it into a nice mid-power rocket for the FITS 2009 raffle and would like to learn the story so I can include that with the rocket. I posted some pictures as a pdf file on the uploaded images page if that helps. Marty From MartyWeiser at comcast.net Thu Dec 25 21:41:48 2008 From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty2) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:41:48 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Rockets Magazine December Issue Message-ID: <007e01c9671c$a5a50390$f0ef0ab0$@net> The NW Rocket community is once again well represented in this issue. Quite a few are mentioned in the BALLS 17 report - in some cases with more than just their name, rocket name, motor, and altitude. Brad Wright had a very nice article on his L3 project, Panther Paws. There were some other good looking articles that I have not read. Marty -------------- next part -------------- The NW Rocket community is once again well represented in this issue. Quite a few are mentioned in the BALLS 17 report ??? in some cases with more than just their name, rocket name, motor, and altitude. Brad Wright had a very nice article on his L3 project, Panther Paws. There were some other good looking articles that I have not read. ? Marty From scott at scottsrockets.com Fri Dec 26 09:23:30 2008 From: scott at scottsrockets.com (Scott T Bowers) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 09:23:30 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket In-Reply-To: <007d01c9671b$c1211b00$43635100$@net> References: <6bc920e40812071329h581ae779mf3ccab166fcf38e0@mail.gmail.com><7A8A8467-DF06-49C6-836B-F6D702612963@comcast.net> <007d01c9671b$c1211b00$43635100$@net> Message-ID: <0E3BEE63F0334602BD5F784468C0ACAA@Mobile2> Sorry Marty, that does not ring a bell, no clue where that came from. Nice high speed drogue though. Scott T. Bowers www.scottsrockets.com -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Marty2 Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:35 PM To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket In either 2006 or 2005 I won the start of a rocket during the raffle and I think Scott implied that there was a story behind it. It is a 24" long by 2.25" diameter heavy cardboard tube with a 29 mm motor mount rolled from cardboard, a dinged up balsa nose cone, and a 16" olive drab military style chute (possibly for a flare). I plan to convert it into a nice mid-power rocket for the FITS 2009 raffle and would like to learn the story so I can include that with the rocket. I posted some pictures as a pdf file on the uploaded images page if that helps. Marty _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From vonrang at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 09:55:45 2008 From: vonrang at yahoo.com (Sam Grado) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 09:55:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Season's Gratings In-Reply-To: <20081225231509.85051gpqe9sjdzko@wm.integrity.com> Message-ID: <377253.25063.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Not a bad idea! Sam Grado TRA-L2 "If you're going to build it, build it from scratch!" http://www.sugarshot.org/bios/sgrado.html http://groups.google.com/group/PVC-Motor-Rockets samgrado at pvconly.com --- On Thu, 12/25/08, brodwcjj at integrity.com wrote: > From: brodwcjj at integrity.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Season's Gratings > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 9:15 PM > "Hairy Mistress" ? .... Now that would be a good > name for a rocket launch. > > or maybe a punk rock band > > > > Dustin > > > > > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:44:34 -0800 (PST) > From: Sam Grado > Subject: [RocketsNW] Season's Gratings > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Message-ID: > <531264.94756.qm at web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I want to wish to one and all a Hairy Mistress! > > Sam Grado > TRA-L2 > > "If you're going to build it, build it from > scratch!" > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From bwhitemarsh at comcast.net Fri Dec 26 12:44:13 2008 From: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net (Bryan Whitemarsh) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:44:13 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Pictures from the October Mansfield launch Message-ID: <53A04B91195E49F9A2FD3324F989581C@BryanPC> I finally got around to posting some pictures I took on Saturday at the October Mansfield launch. There are a few good launch pictures there. I've posted them here: http://bwhitemarsh.smugmug.com/gallery/6918941_4iEPZ#P-1-20 I'm not sure which rockets belong to what modelers, so if you recognize your rocket let me know and I'll update the captions. This was my first large launch. Thanks for a great time! Bryan Whitemarsh -------------- next part -------------- I finally got around to posting some pictures I took on Saturday at the October Mansfield launch.? There are a few good launch pictures there.? I've posted them here: ? http://bwhitemarsh.smugmug.com/gallery/6918941_4iEPZ#P-1-20 http://bwhitemarsh.smugmug.com/gallery/6918941_4iEPZ#P-1-20 ? I'm not sure which rockets belong to what modelers, so if you recognize your rocket let me know and I'll update the captions. ? This was my first large launch.? Thanks for a great time! ? Bryan Whitemarsh From bwhitemarsh at comcast.net Fri Dec 26 14:20:28 2008 From: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net (Bryan Whitemarsh) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:20:28 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Pictures from Frost & Fire 2008 In-Reply-To: <53A04B91195E49F9A2FD3324F989581C@BryanPC> References: <53A04B91195E49F9A2FD3324F989581C@BryanPC> Message-ID: <451A52ABD11F4379970EC0093573B69F@BryanPC> Thought I would chip in my two cents regarding launches by Cody and I at the Frost & Fire 2008 Launch. A few photos from the launch can be seen at: http://bwhitemarsh.smugmug.com/gallery/6925739_tsKCL#443182718_9aeh9 While Dave had all sorts of successful launches on single-use motors, my 13-year-old son, Cody, and I froze our fingers off assembling our Aerotech reloads. Cody had his first mid-power launch with his Aerotech Barracuda on an F24-7W motor. Great boost and good deploment near apogee, but got caught about ten feet up in a tree. Recovered without too much trouble. I then launched my Aerotech G-Force on a G71-4R. After all the model flights, the Redline really seemed like it roared. Chute deployed ok, but tangled itself and never opened. Recovered without damage in the snow. Cody put his Barracuda up again on an F24. Great boost but swivel broke at chute deployment. Luckily we replaced the factory shock cord with a long section of kevlar, so there was enough drag to slow it down enough that there was no damage from landing in the snow. Finally, I launched my crooked FlisKits ACME Spitfire on an Estes D12-3. Ok first flight. More fun to look at than to fly. All in all, quite a bit of fun on a Saturday morning. Hopefully we'll be able to get something a little bigger going for January. Last I heard there were some votes for "Hairy Mistress" as a possible title :) Bryan Whitemarsh From bigredbee at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 10:17:12 2008 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:17:12 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] ARTS GPS Module? Message-ID: Does anyone know which GPS Module the ARTS uses? (Is it a US GlobalSat EM406A....?) -- Greg From bwhitemarsh at comcast.net Sat Dec 27 12:15:49 2008 From: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net (Bryan Whitemarsh) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:15:49 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington state L&I contact Message-ID: Sorry to send this to the whole group, but does anyone know who to contact to get a Washington state L&I permit? I'm trying to get my LEUP paperwork together and have not received a response to written correspondence to Olympia. A name and phone number would be greatly appreciated. Bryan Whitemarsh -------------- next part -------------- Sorry to send this to the whole group, but does anyone know who to contact to get a Washington state L&I permit?? I'm trying to get my LEUP paperwork together and have not received a response to written correspondence to Olympia.? A name and phone number would be greatly appreciated. ? Bryan Whitemarsh From carl20320 at msn.com Sat Dec 27 12:32:55 2008 From: carl20320 at msn.com (Carl Degner) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:32:55 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington state L&I contact In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good luck! I submitted my paperwork back at the end of September. I have made repeated calls leaving messages to find out a status and have not had a single one returned. I finally got in touch with Mason Reiter about 3 weeks ago. He told me that Jennifer Hall would get in touch with me when she was back from vacation the following week. Still have heard absolutely nothing. He said background checks were taking a while but 3 months is ridiculous. All my contact info is out in my truck right now. If someone does not chime in shortly with numbers, I will venture out through the deep snow and get it and post back. Carl NAR 33262 TRA 11344 KE7DRZ > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Whitemarsh > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 12:16 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington state L&I contact > > Sorry to send this to the whole group, but does anyone know > who to contact to get a Washington state L&I permit? I'm > trying to get my LEUP paperwork together and have not > received a response to written correspondence to Olympia. A > name and phone number would be greatly appreciated. > > Bryan Whitemarsh > From winningstad at comcast.net Sat Dec 27 13:25:12 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:25:12 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington state L&I contact In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54F6A94B65D0452C94700FF51B002F63@downstair> I just LOVE the sense of urgency displayed by the typical government worker...not to excuse it, but to explain it, their work is like doing the laundry...eh? Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Carl Degner Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 12:33 PM To: 'Bryan Whitemarsh'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington state L&I contact Good luck! I submitted my paperwork back at the end of September. I have made repeated calls leaving messages to find out a status and have not had a single one returned. I finally got in touch with Mason Reiter about 3 weeks ago. He told me that Jennifer Hall would get in touch with me when she was back from vacation the following week. Still have heard absolutely nothing. He said background checks were taking a while but 3 months is ridiculous. All my contact info is out in my truck right now. If someone does not chime in shortly with numbers, I will venture out through the deep snow and get it and post back. Carl NAR 33262 TRA 11344 KE7DRZ > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Whitemarsh > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 12:16 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington state L&I contact > > Sorry to send this to the whole group, but does anyone know > who to contact to get a Washington state L&I permit? I'm > trying to get my LEUP paperwork together and have not > received a response to written correspondence to Olympia. A > name and phone number would be greatly appreciated. > > Bryan Whitemarsh > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sat Dec 27 17:21:35 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:21:35 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] BATFE lost 76 guns according to DoJ audit Message-ID: <4956D49F.8060305@earthlink.net> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/17/national/main4454380.shtml Hmmmm.... Which is more dangerous? The BATFE losing 76 firearms or rocketeers flying hobby rockets? Robert From steven.e.bloom at boeing.com Sat Dec 27 17:30:20 2008 From: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com (Bloom, Steven E) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:30:20 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket In-Reply-To: <007d01c9671b$c1211b00$43635100$@net> References: <6bc920e40812071329h581ae779mf3ccab166fcf38e0@mail.gmail.com><7A8A8467-DF06-49C6-836B-F6D702612963@comcast.net> <007d01c9671b$c1211b00$43635100$@net> Message-ID: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081217C2@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> Sounds to me like you are the proud owner of a rare Thunder Bolt rocket out of the Bloom high tech experimental laboratory. Thick fax tube BT? Hand turned balsa NC? Motor mount made out of corragated cardboard and cherrios box? Yep, a rare piece indeed. Probably should get some insurance on it if you really plan to fly it. :>) As a matter of fact, it was one of these I lost to the top of the tallest poplar tree on earth at 60 acres just last Saturday at Frost and Fire '08. steve -----Original Message----- From: Marty2 [mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:35 PM To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket In either 2006 or 2005 I won the start of a rocket during the raffle and I think Scott implied that there was a story behind it. It is a 24" long by 2.25" diameter heavy cardboard tube with a 29 mm motor mount rolled from cardboard, a dinged up balsa nose cone, and a 16" olive drab military style chute (possibly for a flare). I plan to convert it into a nice mid-power rocket for the FITS 2009 raffle and would like to learn the story so I can include that with the rocket. I posted some pictures as a pdf file on the uploaded images page if that helps. Marty _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From MartyWeiser at comcast.net Sat Dec 27 21:06:35 2008 From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty2) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:06:35 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket In-Reply-To: <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081217C2@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> References: <6bc920e40812071329h581ae779mf3ccab166fcf38e0@mail.gmail.com><7A8A8467-DF06-49C6-836B-F6D702612963@comcast.net> <007d01c9671b$c1211b00$43635100$@net> <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081217C2@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: <003e01c968aa$1018f590$304ae0b0$@net> Yep, that is the one - good to see you didn't mention any fins or recovery harness. Once I am done with it I don't plan to insure it, but I would like to turn it into a silk purse for next FITS raffle. I hope I can find a FITS sticker to put on the side. Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Bloom, Steven E Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:30 PM To: NW Rocketry mailing list Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket Sounds to me like you are the proud owner of a rare Thunder Bolt rocket out of the Bloom high tech experimental laboratory. Thick fax tube BT? Hand turned balsa NC? Motor mount made out of corragated cardboard and cherrios box? Yep, a rare piece indeed. Probably should get some insurance on it if you really plan to fly it. :>) As a matter of fact, it was one of these I lost to the top of the tallest poplar tree on earth at 60 acres just last Saturday at Frost and Fire '08. steve -----Original Message----- From: Marty2 [mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:35 PM To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket In either 2006 or 2005 I won the start of a rocket during the raffle and I think Scott implied that there was a story behind it. It is a 24" long by 2.25" diameter heavy cardboard tube with a 29 mm motor mount rolled from cardboard, a dinged up balsa nose cone, and a 16" olive drab military style chute (possibly for a flare). I plan to convert it into a nice mid-power rocket for the FITS 2009 raffle and would like to learn the story so I can include that with the rocket. I posted some pictures as a pdf file on the uploaded images page if that helps. Marty _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From appusher at q.com Sat Dec 27 21:22:12 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 05:22:12 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket In-Reply-To: <003e01c968aa$1018f590$304ae0b0$@net> References: <6bc920e40812071329h581ae779mf3ccab166fcf38e0@mail.gmail.com><7A8A8467-DF06-49C6-836B-F6D702612963@comcast.net> <007d01c9671b$c1211b00$43635100$@net> <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081217C2@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> <003e01c968aa$1018f590$304ae0b0$@net> Message-ID: Marty, I think I have a FITS sticker somewhere in the tornado zone I call a shop. If I can find it ....it's yours. Bill EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net> To: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:06:35 -0800> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket> > Yep, that is the one - good to see you didn't mention any fins or recovery> harness. Once I am done with it I don't plan to insure it, but I would like> to turn it into a silk purse for next FITS raffle. I hope I can find a FITS> sticker to put on the side.> > Marty> > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> On Behalf Of Bloom, Steven E> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:30 PM> To: NW Rocketry mailing list> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket> > > Sounds to me like you are the proud owner of a rare Thunder Bolt rocket> out of the Bloom high tech experimental laboratory. Thick fax tube BT?> Hand turned balsa NC? Motor mount made out of corragated cardboard and> cherrios box? Yep, a rare piece indeed. Probably should get some> insurance on it if you really plan to fly it. :>)> > As a matter of fact, it was one of these I lost to the top of the> tallest poplar tree on earth at 60 acres just last Saturday at Frost and> Fire '08.> > steve> > -----Original Message-----> From: Marty2 [mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:35 PM> To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'> Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket> > In either 2006 or 2005 I won the start of a rocket during the raffle and> I think Scott implied that there was a story behind it. It is a 24"> long by 2.25" diameter heavy cardboard tube with a 29 mm motor mount> rolled from cardboard, a dinged up balsa nose cone, and a 16" olive drab> military style chute (possibly for a flare). I plan to convert it into> a nice mid-power rocket for the FITS 2009 raffle and would like to learn> the story so I can include that with the rocket. I posted some pictures> as a pdf file on the uploaded images page if that helps.> > Marty > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> -------------- next part -------------- Marty, ? I think I have a FITS sticker somewhere in the tornado zone I call a shop.? If I can find it ....it's yours. ? Bill http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net > To: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:06:35 -0800 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket > > Yep, that is the one - good to see you didn't mention any fins or recovery > harness. Once I am done with it I don't plan to insure it, but I would like > to turn it into a silk purse for next FITS raffle. I hope I can find a FITS > sticker to put on the side. > > Marty > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Bloom, Steven E > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:30 PM > To: NW Rocketry mailing list > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket > > > Sounds to me like you are the proud owner of a rare Thunder Bolt rocket > out of the Bloom high tech experimental laboratory. Thick fax tube BT? > Hand turned balsa NC? Motor mount made out of corragated cardboard and > cherrios box? Yep, a rare piece indeed. Probably should get some > insurance on it if you really plan to fly it. :>) > > As a matter of fact, it was one of these I lost to the top of the > tallest poplar tree on earth at 60 acres just last Saturday at Frost and > Fire '08. > > steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marty2 [mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:35 PM > To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list' > Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket > > In either 2006 or 2005 I won the start of a rocket during the raffle and > I think Scott implied that there was a story behind it. It is a 24" > long by 2.25" diameter heavy cardboard tube with a 29 mm motor mount > rolled from cardboard, a dinged up balsa nose cone, and a 16" olive drab > military style chute (possibly for a flare). I plan to convert it into > a nice mid-power rocket for the FITS 2009 raffle and would like to learn > the story so I can include that with the rocket. I posted some pictures > as a pdf file on the uploaded images page if that helps. > > Marty > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From appusher at q.com Sat Dec 27 22:22:34 2008 From: appusher at q.com (Bill Munds) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 06:22:34 +0000 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington state L&I contact In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jennifer Hall 360.902.5563 EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:15:49 -0800> Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington state L&I contact> > Sorry to send this to the whole group, but does anyone know who to contact> to get a Washington state L&I permit? I'm trying to get my LEUP paperwork> together and have not received a response to written correspondence to> Olympia. A name and phone number would be greatly appreciated.> > Bryan Whitemarsh -------------- next part -------------- Jennifer Hall 360.902.5563 http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_charity.gif EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: bwhitemarsh at comcast.net > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:15:49 -0800 > Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington state L&I contact > > Sorry to send this to the whole group, but does anyone know who to contact > to get a Washington state L&I permit? I'm trying to get my LEUP paperwork > together and have not received a response to written correspondence to > Olympia. A name and phone number would be greatly appreciated. > > Bryan Whitemarsh From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Sun Dec 28 08:17:55 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:17:55 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] CF, FG and Kevlar on sale Message-ID: <4957A6B3.5090305@earthlink.net> http://www.rcglider.com/ From faderlk at hotmail.com Sun Dec 28 08:56:01 2008 From: faderlk at hotmail.com (william carpenter) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:56:01 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Pictures from the October Mansfield launch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, I too have some photos of that launch. They're from both Saturday and some of Sunday and can be found here http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/apps/photos/album.jsp?albumID=2965610 . If you would like to be given credit by name for a model, just use the contact page of the site. This was my first real launch, and I was just checking out the club, so I don't really know anyone's names.> From: rockets-request at rocketsnw.com> Subject: Rockets Digest, Vol 11, Issue 48> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:00:03 -0800> > Send Rockets mailing list submissions to> rockets at rocketsnw.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> rockets-request at rocketsnw.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Pictures from the October Mansfield launch (Bryan Whitemarsh)> 2. Pictures from Frost & Fire 2008 (Bryan Whitemarsh)> 3. ARTS GPS Module? (Greg Clark)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:44:13 -0800> From: "Bryan Whitemarsh" > Subject: [RocketsNW] Pictures from the October Mansfield launch> To: > Message-ID: <53A04B91195E49F9A2FD3324F989581C at BryanPC>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > I finally got around to posting some pictures I took on Saturday at the> October Mansfield launch. There are a few good launch pictures there. I've> posted them here: > > http://bwhitemarsh.smugmug.com/gallery/6918941_4iEPZ#P-1-20> > I'm not sure which rockets belong to what modelers, so if you recognize your> rocket let me know and I'll update the captions.> > This was my first large launch. Thanks for a great time!> > Bryan Whitemarsh> -------------- next part --------------> I finally got around to posting some pictures I took on Saturday at the October Mansfield launch. There are a few good launch pictures there. I've posted them here:> > http://bwhitemarsh.smugmug.com/gallery/6918941_4iEPZ#P-1-20 http://bwhitemarsh.smugmug.com/gallery/6918941_4iEPZ#P-1-20> > I'm not sure which rockets belong to what modelers, so if you recognize your rocket let me know and I'll update the captions.> > This was my first large launch. Thanks for a great time!> > Bryan Whitemarsh> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:20:28 -0800> From: "Bryan Whitemarsh" > Subject: [RocketsNW] Pictures from Frost & Fire 2008> To: > Message-ID: <451A52ABD11F4379970EC0093573B69F at BryanPC>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Thought I would chip in my two cents regarding launches by Cody and I at the> Frost & Fire 2008 Launch. A few photos from the launch can be seen at:> > http://bwhitemarsh.smugmug.com/gallery/6925739_tsKCL#443182718_9aeh9> > While Dave had all sorts of successful launches on single-use motors, my> 13-year-old son, Cody, and I froze our fingers off assembling our Aerotech> reloads. Cody had his first mid-power launch with his Aerotech Barracuda on> an F24-7W motor. Great boost and good deploment near apogee, but got caught> about ten feet up in a tree. Recovered without too much trouble.> > I then launched my Aerotech G-Force on a G71-4R. After all the model> flights, the Redline really seemed like it roared. Chute deployed ok, but> tangled itself and never opened. Recovered without damage in the snow.> > Cody put his Barracuda up again on an F24. Great boost but swivel broke at> chute deployment. Luckily we replaced the factory shock cord with a long> section of kevlar, so there was enough drag to slow it down enough that> there was no damage from landing in the snow.> > Finally, I launched my crooked FlisKits ACME Spitfire on an Estes D12-3. Ok> first flight. More fun to look at than to fly.> > All in all, quite a bit of fun on a Saturday morning. Hopefully we'll be> able to get something a little bigger going for January. Last I heard there> were some votes for "Hairy Mistress" as a possible title :)> > Bryan Whitemarsh> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:17:12 -0800> From: "Greg Clark" > Subject: [RocketsNW] ARTS GPS Module?> To: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" > Message-ID:> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Does anyone know which GPS Module the ARTS uses?> > (Is it a US GlobalSat EM406A....?)> > -- Greg> > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > End of Rockets Digest, Vol 11, Issue 48> *************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 -------------- next part -------------- Hello all, ? I too have some photos of that launch. They're from both Saturday and some?of Sunday and can be found here http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/apps/photos/album.jsp?albumID=2965610 http://simav8rproductions.webs.com/apps/photos/album.jsp?albumID=2965610 ?. If you would like to? be given credit by name for a model, just use the contact page of the site. This was my first real launch, and I was just checking out the club, so I don't really know anyone's names. > From: rockets-request at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Rockets Digest, Vol 11, Issue 48 > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:00:03 -0800 > > Send Rockets mailing list submissions to > rockets at rocketsnw.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rockets-request at rocketsnw.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rockets-owner at rocketsnw.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rockets digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Pictures from the October Mansfield launch (Bryan Whitemarsh) > 2. Pictures from Frost & Fire 2008 (Bryan Whitemarsh) > 3. ARTS GPS Module? (Greg Clark) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:44:13 -0800 > From: "Bryan Whitemarsh" > Subject: [RocketsNW] Pictures from the October Mansfield launch > To: > Message-ID: <53A04B91195E49F9A2FD3324F989581C at BryanPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I finally got around to posting some pictures I took on Saturday at the > October Mansfield launch. There are a few good launch pictures there. I've > posted them here: > > http://bwhitemarsh.smugmug.com/gallery/6918941_4iEPZ#P-1-20 > > I'm not sure which rockets belong to what modelers, so if you recognize your > rocket let me know and I'll update the captions. > > This was my first large launch. Thanks for a great time! > > Bryan Whitemarsh > -------------- next part -------------- > I finally got around to posting some pictures I took on Saturday at the October Mansfield launch.? There are a few good launch pictures there.? I've posted them here: > ? > http://bwhitemarsh.smugmug.com/gallery/6918941_4iEPZ#P-1-20 http://bwhitemarsh.smugmug.com/gallery/6918941_4iEPZ#P-1-20 > ? > I'm not sure which rockets belong to what modelers, so if you recognize your rocket let me know and I'll update the captions. > ? > This was my first large launch.? Thanks for a great time! > ? > Bryan Whitemarsh > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:20:28 -0800 > From: "Bryan Whitemarsh" > Subject: [RocketsNW] Pictures from Frost & Fire 2008 > To: > Message-ID: <451A52ABD11F4379970EC0093573B69F at BryanPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thought I would chip in my two cents regarding launches by Cody and I at the > Frost & Fire 2008 Launch. A few photos from the launch can be seen at: > > http://bwhitemarsh.smugmug.com/gallery/6925739_tsKCL#443182718_9aeh9 > > While Dave had all sorts of successful launches on single-use motors, my > 13-year-old son, Cody, and I froze our fingers off assembling our Aerotech > reloads. Cody had his first mid-power launch with his Aerotech Barracuda on > an F24-7W motor. Great boost and good deploment near apogee, but got caught > about ten feet up in a tree. Recovered without too much trouble. > > I then launched my Aerotech G-Force on a G71-4R. After all the model > flights, the Redline really seemed like it roared. Chute deployed ok, but > tangled itself and never opened. Recovered without damage in the snow. > > Cody put his Barracuda up again on an F24. Great boost but swivel broke at > chute deployment. Luckily we replaced the factory shock cord with a long > section of kevlar, so there was enough drag to slow it down enough that > there was no damage from landing in the snow. > > Finally, I launched my crooked FlisKits ACME Spitfire on an Estes D12-3. Ok > first flight. More fun to look at than to fly. > > All in all, quite a bit of fun on a Saturday morning. Hopefully we'll be > able to get something a little bigger going for January. Last I heard there > were some votes for "Hairy Mistress" as a possible title :) > > Bryan Whitemarsh > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:17:12 -0800 > From: "Greg Clark" > Subject: [RocketsNW] ARTS GPS Module? > To: "rockets at rocketsnw.com" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Does anyone know which GPS Module the ARTS uses? > > (Is it a US GlobalSat EM406A....?) > > -- Greg > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > End of Rockets Digest, Vol 11, Issue 48 > *************************************** Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 Get your Hotmail? account now. From rocfish74 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 28 09:10:34 2008 From: rocfish74 at hotmail.com (Mark Lyons) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:10:34 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket In-Reply-To: References: <6bc920e40812071329h581ae779mf3ccab166fcf38e0@mail.gmail.com><7A8A8467-DF06-49C6-836B-F6D702612963@comcast.net> <007d01c9671b$c1211b00$43635100$@net> <355770B32B24C54F94D4A07C139755E8081217C2@XCH-NW-6V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> <003e01c968aa$1018f590$304ae0b0$@net> Message-ID: Marty, I know I have some stickers. Mark> From: appusher at q.com> To: martyweiser at comcast.net; steven.e.bloom at boeing.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 05:22:12 +0000> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket> > > Marty,> > I think I have a FITS sticker somewhere in the tornado zone I call a shop. If I can find it ....it's yours.> > Bill> > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net> To: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:06:35 -0800> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket> > Yep, that is the one - good to see you didn't mention any fins or recovery> harness. Once I am done with it I don't plan to insure it, but I would like> to turn it into a silk purse for next FITS raffle. I hope I can find a FITS> sticker to put on the side.> > Marty> > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> On Behalf Of Bloom, Steven E> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:30 PM> To: NW Rocketry mailing list> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket> > > Sounds to me like you are the proud owner of a rare Thunder Bolt rocket> out of the Bloom high tech experimental laboratory. Thick fax tube BT?> Hand turned balsa NC? Motor mount made out of corragated cardboard and> cherrios box? Yep, a rare piece indeed. Probably should get some> insurance on it if you really plan to fly it. :>)> > As a matter of fact, it was one of these I lost to the top of the> tallest poplar tree on earth at 60 acres just last Saturday at Frost and> Fire '08.> > steve> > -----Original Message-----> From: Marty2 [mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:35 PM> To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'> Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket> > In either 2006 or 2005 I won the start of a rocket during the raffle and> I think Scott implied that there was a story behind it. It is a 24"> long by 2.25" diameter heavy cardboard tube with a 29 mm motor mount> rolled from cardboard, a dinged up balsa nose cone, and a 16" olive drab> military style chute (possibly for a flare). I plan to convert it into> a nice mid-power rocket for the FITS 2009 raffle and would like to learn> the story so I can include that with the rocket. I posted some pictures> as a pdf file on the uploaded images page if that helps.> > Marty > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> y _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- Marty, I know I have some stickers. ? Mark > From: appusher at q.com > To: martyweiser at comcast.net; steven.e.bloom at boeing.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 05:22:12 +0000 > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket > > > Marty, > > I think I have a FITS sticker somewhere in the tornado zone I call a shop. If I can find it ....it's yours. > > Bill > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net> To: steven.e.bloom at boeing.com; rockets at rocketsnw.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:06:35 -0800> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket> > Yep, that is the one - good to see you didn't mention any fins or recovery> harness. Once I am done with it I don't plan to insure it, but I would like> to turn it into a silk purse for next FITS raffle. I hope I can find a FITS> sticker to put on the side.> > Marty> > -----Original Message-----> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]> On Behalf Of Bloom, Steven E> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:30 PM> To: NW Rocketry mailing list> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket> > > Sounds to me like you are the proud owner of a rare Thunder Bolt rocket> out of the Bloom high tech experimental laboratory. Thick fax tube BT?> Hand turned balsa NC? Motor mount made out of corragated cardboard and> cherrios box? Yep, a rare piece indeed. Probably should get some> insurance on it if you really plan to fly it. :>)> > As a matter of fact, it was one of these I lost to the top of the> tallest poplar tree on earth at 60 acres just last Saturday at Frost and> Fire '08.> > steve> > -----Original Message-----> From: Marty2 [mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:35 PM> To: 'NW Rocketry mailing list'> Subject: [RocketsNW] FITS Raffle Rocket> > In either 2006 or 2005 I won the start of a rocket during the raffle and> I think Scott implied that there was a story behind it. It is a 24"> long by 2.25" diameter heavy cardboard tube with a 29 mm motor mount> rolled from cardboard, a dinged up balsa nose cone, and a 16" olive drab> military style chute (possibly for a flare). I plan to convert it into> a nice mid-power rocket for the FITS 2009 raffle and would like to learn> the story so I can include that with the rocket. I posted some pictures> as a pdf file on the uploaded images page if that helps.> > Marty > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> > > _______________________________________________> Rockets mailing list> Rockets at rocketsnw.com> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets> y Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ See how From vern_knowles at att.net Mon Dec 29 12:00:23 2008 From: vern_knowles at att.net (Vern Knowles) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:00:23 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video Message-ID: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> I finally got around to finishing my web page about the XPRS launch last September. Here is the link: http://www.vernk.com/XPRS2008.htm Of special interest are two flights I made at XPRS using a new synthesized voice telemetry data system known as "Kate". Audio recordings of Kate's announcements are available at that link. A nice onboard video taken at XPRS is also available at that link. It is in 1280x720 HD screen size. Other recent updates to the site can also be found using the links on the main page: http://www.vernk.com Vern Knowles From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 14:12:58 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:12:58 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video References: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> Message-ID: <001c01c96a02$9c7a9d50$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Vern, Kate sounds really nice. Can I talk with her sometime? She sounds very friendly. Do you have pictures of Kate? Say hi to Kate for me. Might try adding a English to Jive translation system during the synthesized downlink. Might come across like. Sappnin'. Mah' dojigger be Kate. I'm an automated repo'tin' system. WORD! I gots'ta be providin' GPS waaay downlink data durin' de flight uh Angelfire. Today Angelfire be flyin' on some M2200 Skidmark. Ya' know? Launch detected. Maximum speed 300 feet puh' second. Angelfire be West uh launch pad uh 270 degrees. Maximum altitude 7122 feet. Man! Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vern Knowles" To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > > I finally got around to finishing my web page about the XPRS launch last > September. > > Here is the link: > http://www.vernk.com/XPRS2008.htm > > Of special interest are two flights I made at XPRS using a new synthesized > voice telemetry data > system known as "Kate". Audio recordings of Kate's announcements are > available at that link. > > A nice onboard video taken at XPRS is also available at that link. It is > in 1280x720 HD screen > size. > > > Other recent updates to the site can also be found using the links on the > main page: > http://www.vernk.com > > > Vern Knowles > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From raystoner99 at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 15:52:48 2008 From: raystoner99 at comcast.net (W. Raymond Stoner) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:52:48 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video In-Reply-To: <001c01c96a02$9c7a9d50$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: Robert, Uhm....Really? Tasteless. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Robert Krausert Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:13 PM To: Vern Knowles; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video Vern, Kate sounds really nice. Can I talk with her sometime? She sounds very friendly. Do you have pictures of Kate? Say hi to Kate for me. Might try adding a English to Jive translation system during the synthesized downlink. Might come across like. Sappnin'. Mah' dojigger be Kate. I'm an automated repo'tin' system. WORD! I gots'ta be providin' GPS waaay downlink data durin' de flight uh Angelfire. Today Angelfire be flyin' on some M2200 Skidmark. Ya' know? Launch detected. Maximum speed 300 feet puh' second. Angelfire be West uh launch pad uh 270 degrees. Maximum altitude 7122 feet. Man! Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vern Knowles" To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > > I finally got around to finishing my web page about the XPRS launch last > September. > > Here is the link: > http://www.vernk.com/XPRS2008.htm > > Of special interest are two flights I made at XPRS using a new synthesized > voice telemetry data > system known as "Kate". Audio recordings of Kate's announcements are > available at that link. > > A nice onboard video taken at XPRS is also available at that link. It is > in 1280x720 HD screen > size. > > > Other recent updates to the site can also be found using the links on the > main page: > http://www.vernk.com > > > Vern Knowles > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From winningstad at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 17:24:18 2008 From: winningstad at comcast.net (Dennis Winningstad) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:24:18 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c96a02$9c7a9d50$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: I liked it :D Dennis S Winningstad 503-781-3529 Chess anyone? 1. e4 (P-K4) -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of W. Raymond Stoner Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:53 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video Robert, Uhm....Really? Tasteless. Ray -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]On Behalf Of Robert Krausert Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:13 PM To: Vern Knowles; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video Vern, Kate sounds really nice. Can I talk with her sometime? She sounds very friendly. Do you have pictures of Kate? Say hi to Kate for me. Might try adding a English to Jive translation system during the synthesized downlink. Might come across like. Sappnin'. Mah' dojigger be Kate. I'm an automated repo'tin' system. WORD! I gots'ta be providin' GPS waaay downlink data durin' de flight uh Angelfire. Today Angelfire be flyin' on some M2200 Skidmark. Ya' know? Launch detected. Maximum speed 300 feet puh' second. Angelfire be West uh launch pad uh 270 degrees. Maximum altitude 7122 feet. Man! Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vern Knowles" To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > > I finally got around to finishing my web page about the XPRS launch last > September. > > Here is the link: > http://www.vernk.com/XPRS2008.htm > > Of special interest are two flights I made at XPRS using a new synthesized > voice telemetry data > system known as "Kate". Audio recordings of Kate's announcements are > available at that link. > > A nice onboard video taken at XPRS is also available at that link. It is > in 1280x720 HD screen > size. > > > Other recent updates to the site can also be found using the links on the > main page: > http://www.vernk.com > > > Vern Knowles > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From MartyWeiser at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 17:44:23 2008 From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty2) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:44:23 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video In-Reply-To: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> References: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> Message-ID: <005d01c96a20$24b3a320$6e1ae960$@net> Vern, Very nice. I wonder what it would be like to add Kate's flight report to the Angelfire video (keeping some of the background if possible). For others I found that Kate's audio downloaded as a small file that I had to activate separately to get it to play. May just be the way my system is set up. Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Vern Knowles Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:00 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video I finally got around to finishing my web page about the XPRS launch last September. Here is the link: http://www.vernk.com/XPRS2008.htm Of special interest are two flights I made at XPRS using a new synthesized voice telemetry data system known as "Kate". Audio recordings of Kate's announcements are available at that link. A nice onboard video taken at XPRS is also available at that link. It is in 1280x720 HD screen size. Other recent updates to the site can also be found using the links on the main page: http://www.vernk.com Vern Knowles _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From vern_knowles at att.net Mon Dec 29 18:14:12 2008 From: vern_knowles at att.net (Vern Knowles) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:14:12 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video In-Reply-To: <005d01c96a20$24b3a320$6e1ae960$@net> References: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> <005d01c96a20$24b3a320$6e1ae960$@net> Message-ID: <001101c96a24$4f94ab80$0400a8c0@MainPC> Marty, Good suggestion. I'll try that next time. Also, the audio is supposed to start-up directly by right clicking on the link. The link goes to a small file that is supposed to trigger streaming mode so that the audio will start even before the whole file is downloaded. I guess not all systems respond to it the same way. To help me understand the problem, are you PC or MAC? And what browser are you using? Thanks. Vern > -----Original Message----- > From: Marty2 [mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 6:44 PM > To: 'Vern Knowles'; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > > Vern, > > Very nice. I wonder what it would be like to add Kate's > flight report to > the Angelfire video (keeping some of the background if possible). > > For others I found that Kate's audio downloaded as a small > file that I had > to activate separately to get it to play. May just be the > way my system is > set up. > > Marty > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Vern Knowles > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:00 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > > > I finally got around to finishing my web page about the XPRS > launch last > September. > > Here is the link: > http://www.vernk.com/XPRS2008.htm > > Of special interest are two flights I made at XPRS using a > new synthesized > voice telemetry data > system known as "Kate". Audio recordings of Kate's announcements are > available at that link. > > A nice onboard video taken at XPRS is also available at that > link. It is in > 1280x720 HD screen > size. > > > Other recent updates to the site can also be found using the > links on the > main page: > http://www.vernk.com > > > Vern Knowles > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From MartyWeiser at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 19:05:49 2008 From: MartyWeiser at comcast.net (Marty2) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:05:49 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video In-Reply-To: <001101c96a24$4f94ab80$0400a8c0@MainPC> References: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> <005d01c96a20$24b3a320$6e1ae960$@net> <001101c96a24$4f94ab80$0400a8c0@MainPC> Message-ID: <006201c96a2b$853b6510$8fb22f30$@net> Vern - I am running Vista on a PC with Internet Explorer. Both left and right clicking end up with the option to save the small file. Once it is saved on my computer I can launch it just as you described. - Marty -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Vern Knowles Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 6:14 PM To: 'Marty2'; rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video Marty, Good suggestion. I'll try that next time. Also, the audio is supposed to start-up directly by right clicking on the link. The link goes to a small file that is supposed to trigger streaming mode so that the audio will start even before the whole file is downloaded. I guess not all systems respond to it the same way. To help me understand the problem, are you PC or MAC? And what browser are you using? Thanks. Vern > -----Original Message----- > From: Marty2 [mailto:MartyWeiser at comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 6:44 PM > To: 'Vern Knowles'; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > > Vern, > > Very nice. I wonder what it would be like to add Kate's > flight report to > the Angelfire video (keeping some of the background if possible). > > For others I found that Kate's audio downloaded as a small > file that I had > to activate separately to get it to play. May just be the > way my system is > set up. > > Marty > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Vern Knowles > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:00 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > > > I finally got around to finishing my web page about the XPRS > launch last > September. > > Here is the link: > http://www.vernk.com/XPRS2008.htm > > Of special interest are two flights I made at XPRS using a > new synthesized > voice telemetry data > system known as "Kate". Audio recordings of Kate's announcements are > available at that link. > > A nice onboard video taken at XPRS is also available at that > link. It is in > 1280x720 HD screen > size. > > > Other recent updates to the site can also be found using the > links on the > main page: > http://www.vernk.com > > > Vern Knowles > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From gbhchrist at verizon.net Mon Dec 29 19:19:00 2008 From: gbhchrist at verizon.net (George Christ) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:19:00 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video In-Reply-To: <001c01c96a02$9c7a9d50$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> References: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> <001c01c96a02$9c7a9d50$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <1B76A1B0DBF7432F8E25CDBCFD0698FE@LittleGoodBox> Hmmm... My first thought is to bestow upon Robert an earworm of the BeeGees "JiveTalking"... Of course, being an unreformed piquant cooking enthusiast in addition to my other interests, I may settle for "Chive Talking"... George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Krausert" To: "Vern Knowles" ; Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > Vern, > Kate sounds really nice. Can I talk with her sometime? She sounds very > friendly. Do you have pictures of Kate? Say hi to Kate for me. > > Might try adding a English to Jive translation system during the > synthesized > downlink. Might come across like. > > Sappnin'. Mah' dojigger be Kate. I'm an automated repo'tin' system. WORD! > I > gots'ta be providin' GPS waaay downlink data durin' de flight uh > Angelfire. > Today Angelfire be flyin' on some M2200 Skidmark. Ya' know? Launch > detected. > Maximum speed 300 feet puh' second. Angelfire be West uh launch pad uh 270 > degrees. Maximum altitude 7122 feet. Man! > > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vern Knowles" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:00 PM > Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > > >> >> I finally got around to finishing my web page about the XPRS launch last >> September. >> >> Here is the link: >> http://www.vernk.com/XPRS2008.htm >> >> Of special interest are two flights I made at XPRS using a new >> synthesized >> voice telemetry data >> system known as "Kate". Audio recordings of Kate's announcements are >> available at that link. >> >> A nice onboard video taken at XPRS is also available at that link. It is >> in 1280x720 HD screen >> size. >> >> >> Other recent updates to the site can also be found using the links on the >> main page: >> http://www.vernk.com >> >> >> Vern Knowles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From gbhchrist at verizon.net Mon Dec 29 19:19:00 2008 From: gbhchrist at verizon.net (George Christ) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:19:00 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video In-Reply-To: <001c01c96a02$9c7a9d50$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> References: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> <001c01c96a02$9c7a9d50$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Message-ID: <067CDFAADE704A7F8F07AEBF693F314A@LittleGoodBox> Hmmm... My first thought is to bestow upon Robert an earworm of the BeeGees "JiveTalking"... Of course, being an unreformed piquant cooking enthusiast in addition to my other interests, I may settle for "Chive Talking"... George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Krausert" To: "Vern Knowles" ; Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > Vern, > Kate sounds really nice. Can I talk with her sometime? She sounds very > friendly. Do you have pictures of Kate? Say hi to Kate for me. > > Might try adding a English to Jive translation system during the > synthesized > downlink. Might come across like. > > Sappnin'. Mah' dojigger be Kate. I'm an automated repo'tin' system. WORD! > I > gots'ta be providin' GPS waaay downlink data durin' de flight uh > Angelfire. > Today Angelfire be flyin' on some M2200 Skidmark. Ya' know? Launch > detected. > Maximum speed 300 feet puh' second. Angelfire be West uh launch pad uh 270 > degrees. Maximum altitude 7122 feet. Man! > > > Cheers, > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vern Knowles" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:00 PM > Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > > >> >> I finally got around to finishing my web page about the XPRS launch last >> September. >> >> Here is the link: >> http://www.vernk.com/XPRS2008.htm >> >> Of special interest are two flights I made at XPRS using a new >> synthesized >> voice telemetry data >> system known as "Kate". Audio recordings of Kate's announcements are >> available at that link. >> >> A nice onboard video taken at XPRS is also available at that link. It is >> in 1280x720 HD screen >> size. >> >> >> Other recent updates to the site can also be found using the links on the >> main page: >> http://www.vernk.com >> >> >> Vern Knowles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Dec 30 12:15:46 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:15:46 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] SpaceX update Message-ID: <495A8172.7000803@earthlink.net> Falcon 9 rocket assembly and integration news with many great photos. http://www.spacex.com/updates.php Video tour of the SpaceX SLC-40 launch site at Cape Canaveral http://www.spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php?id=34&cat=recent SpaceX to NASA: Don't 'Fly Russian' http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/12/30/spacex-nasa-russia.html *Dec. 30, 2008* -- NASA has committed nearly $2 billion to a California start-up intent on breaking the status quo for launching cargo into space. Come January, SpaceX will see if the U.S. government is prepared to take the next step and buy into a plan for launching people into orbit as well. SpaceX founder Elon Musk says he expects to be able to fly seven astronauts to the station for about $100 million -- and have a ship that can stay behind to serve as an emergency escape vehicle to boot. (ed. note: $14.28 million per seat) "The alternative is NASA spend $70 million approximately a seat on the Soyuz, and if you have six to eight astronauts going to station a year, you're talking about a half-billion dollars per year going to the Russians for several years. Musk says because Dragon is designed to be parked at the space station it already is rated to the standards NASA uses for human spacecraft. SpaceX video animation of Falcon 9 vehicle sending the Dragon spacecraft to the ISS. http://www.spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php?id=35&cat=recent More info on the Dragon spacecraft. http://www.spacex.com/dragon.php The Chicago-based company, PlanetSpace, is competing with SpaceX to go to the ISS. They have now built their prototyped, 8-passenger, re-usable space glider, the Silver Dart. They are developing a broad spectrum of commercial space services that include Cargo and Crew to the ISS, Point-to-Point Global Travel, Space Tourism, Satellite Orbital Delivery and Escape Velocity Missions by teaming up with Lockheed Martin, ATK, and Boeing. Pics at the link. http://www.planetspace.org/lo/dart_images.htm Info page about the Silver Dart. http://www.planetspace.org/lo/silver_dart.htm The launch vehicle to get the Silver Dart to orbit is the PlanetSpace NOVA booster. It is a design based on the highly successful Soyuz Russian booster that supplies crew and cargo to the ISS today. By using the PlanetSpace Alchemy engine and the PlanetSpace Silver Dart, which is a lifting body based on the the US Air Force?s Flight Dynamics Laboratory-7 (FDL-7) / X-24b which has a glide range of over 25,000 miles (one earth circumference). More info here. http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/silver-dart.htm Pics of Silver Dart and NOVA booster http://flickr.com/photos/blappy/with/394110066/ You can purchase a small static model of the Silver Dart, which you can build, from this company. http://www.blapmodels.com/blapmodels_store/store.htm From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 12:55:01 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:55:01 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] [Jan10] Packard Model Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park Wilsonville Message-ID: <000f01c96ac0$e3017b40$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> Packard Model Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park Wilsonville There will be a model rocketry event at Memorial Park in Wilsonville, Oregon on January 10th beginning at 12:00pm. Near Portland and easy to find, this is a great time to introduce youth to the science and enjoyment of rocketry. This event is hosted by Keith Packard. We want to thank Keith. OregonRocketry is proud to help Keith Packard with this launch, by helping with ground support and staff to help ensure everyone has a chance to participate. Go get you and your kids some model rockets and some motors. Rockets make a great holiday gift... Maximum altitude will be determined based on weather conditions. Plan on being ok with A, B, C and D motors, and maybe E if conditions warrant it safely. The last event we were ok with 1000 feet with minimal wind. If you'd like to attend, please RSVP with me by Friday January 9th. Simply reply to this message and provide me with the approximate number of people in your group. We need some help to facilitate the launch, if you are willing to assist, please advise. I will be onsite to help Keith facilitate the event. Keith is the event director and has final approval for all aspects of the launch. RSVP and join us for the January 10th 2009 Packard Model Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park in Wilsonville Oregon. Wilsonville Memorial Park 8100 SW Wilsonville Rd. Wilsonville, OR 97070 Fliers; Event time is 12:00pm - 3:00pm; all NAR rules apply, plus any additional rules / restrictions for this site. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions. LCO tables are not for prep, please use the available tables in the prep area. This is a sanctioned launch event by National Association of Rocketry through NAR section 555 OREO (Steve Tarr). Come prepared for cold weather and wear boots/shoes that will keep feet warm and dry. Support staff; We are planning to arrive by 11:00am to scope out parking and field preference. Keith is bringing a six rod launch pad (has 1/8, 3/8, and 1/4" rods), and I'll be bringing LCO tables, flight line stakes, and my launch controller. So no OROC GSE is needed for this event. We need extra tables for the prep area. The only other thing I can think of is extra Estes ignitors. I'm planning to bring some spare motors and a bunch of different size Estes ignitors... They like to spit too often, so if you have extra ignitors and plungers, and can spare them, please bring. Certainly bring some rockets... I can also bring a bag of dog barf. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions. Cheers, Robert -------------- next part -------------- Packard Model Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park Wilsonville There will be a model rocketry event at Memorial Park in Wilsonville, Oregon on January 10th?beginning at 12:00pm. Near Portland and easy to find, this is a great time to introduce youth to the science and enjoyment of rocketry. This event is hosted by Keith Packard. We want to thank Keith. OregonRocketry is proud to help Keith Packard with this launch, by helping with ground support and staff to help ensure everyone has a chance to participate. Go get you and your kids some model rockets and some motors. Rockets make a great holiday gift... Maximum altitude will be determined based on weather conditions.?Plan on being ok with A, B,?C?and D motors, and maybe?E if conditions warrant it safely. The last event we were ok with 1000 feet with minimal wind. If you'd like to attend, please RSVP with me by Friday January 9th. Simply reply to this message and provide me with the approximate number of people in your group. We need some help to facilitate the launch, if you are willing to assist, please advise.?I will be onsite to help Keith facilitate the event. Keith is the event director and has final approval for all aspects of the launch. RSVP and join us for the January 10th 2009?Packard Model Rocket Launch Event @ Memorial Park in Wilsonville Oregon. Wilsonville Memorial Park 8100 SW Wilsonville Rd. Wilsonville, OR 97070 Fliers; Event time is 12:00pm - 3:00pm; all NAR rules apply, plus any additional rules / restrictions for this site. A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions. LCO tables are not for prep, please use the available tables in the prep area. This is a sanctioned launch event by National Association of Rocketry through NAR section 555 OREO (Steve Tarr). Come prepared for cold weather and wear boots/shoes that will keep feet warm and dry. Support staff; We are planning to arrive by 11:00am to scope out parking and field preference. Keith is bringing a six rod launch pad (has 1/8, 3/8, and 1/4" rods), and I'll be bringing LCO tables, flight line stakes, and my launch controller. So no OROC GSE is needed for this event. We need extra tables for the prep area.?The only other thing I can think of is extra Estes ignitors. I'm planning to bring some spare motors and a bunch of different size Estes ignitors... They like to spit too often, so if you have extra ignitors and plungers, and can spare them, please bring. Certainly bring some rockets... I can also bring a bag of dog barf.?A fliers meeting right at noon, so everyone is on the same page for rules / restrictions. Cheers, Robert From sb at berfield.com Tue Dec 30 15:51:36 2008 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:51:36 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video In-Reply-To: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> References: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> Message-ID: <001201c96ad9$8de7b570$a9b72050$@com> The Kate thing was VERY cool. One of the highlights of the launch. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Vern Knowles Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:00 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video I finally got around to finishing my web page about the XPRS launch last September. Here is the link: http://www.vernk.com/XPRS2008.htm Of special interest are two flights I made at XPRS using a new synthesized voice telemetry data system known as "Kate". Audio recordings of Kate's announcements are available at that link. A nice onboard video taken at XPRS is also available at that link. It is in 1280x720 HD screen size. Other recent updates to the site can also be found using the links on the main page: http://www.vernk.com Vern Knowles _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From aaronfogg at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 16:09:54 2008 From: aaronfogg at gmail.com (Aaron Fogg) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:09:54 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video In-Reply-To: <001201c96ad9$8de7b570$a9b72050$@com> References: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> <001201c96ad9$8de7b570$a9b72050$@com> Message-ID: I can't figure out how to get "Tom" my gps to get me to the launch site, meanwhile Vern has Kate going for rides in rockets. Nice work as always Vern. I think most of us aspire to do such cool things with our rockets. Aaron Fogg -------------- next part -------------- I can't figure out how to get "Tom" my gps to get me to the launch site, meanwhile Vern has Kate going for rides in rockets. Nice work as always Vern. I think most of us aspire to do such cool things with our rockets. Aaron Fogg From sb at berfield.com Tue Dec 30 19:37:38 2008 From: sb at berfield.com (Scott Berfield) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:37:38 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video In-Reply-To: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> References: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> Message-ID: <000c01c96af9$210beb40$6323c1c0$@com> Of course you did miss a bet Verne. I think hysterical screaming "WE'RE GOING IN! WE'RE GONNA DIE!" if descent velocity is over a certain speed is a requirement for next year. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Vern Knowles Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:00 PM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video I finally got around to finishing my web page about the XPRS launch last September. Here is the link: http://www.vernk.com/XPRS2008.htm Of special interest are two flights I made at XPRS using a new synthesized voice telemetry data system known as "Kate". Audio recordings of Kate's announcements are available at that link. A nice onboard video taken at XPRS is also available at that link. It is in 1280x720 HD screen size. Other recent updates to the site can also be found using the links on the main page: http://www.vernk.com Vern Knowles _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From vern_knowles at att.net Tue Dec 30 20:36:47 2008 From: vern_knowles at att.net (Vern Knowles) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:36:47 -0700 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video In-Reply-To: <000c01c96af9$210beb40$6323c1c0$@com> References: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> <000c01c96af9$210beb40$6323c1c0$@com> Message-ID: <004601c96b01$65602970$0400a8c0@MainPC> Yep, I'll work on it.... Vern > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Berfield [mailto:sb at berfield.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:38 PM > To: 'Vern Knowles'; rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > > Of course you did miss a bet Verne. I think hysterical > screaming "WE'RE > GOING IN! WE'RE GONNA DIE!" if descent velocity is over a > certain speed is a > requirement for next year. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Vern Knowles > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:00 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > > > I finally got around to finishing my web page about the XPRS > launch last > September. > > Here is the link: > http://www.vernk.com/XPRS2008.htm > > Of special interest are two flights I made at XPRS using a > new synthesized > voice telemetry data > system known as "Kate". Audio recordings of Kate's announcements are > available at that link. > > A nice onboard video taken at XPRS is also available at that > link. It is in > 1280x720 HD screen > size. > > > Other recent updates to the site can also be found using the > links on the > main page: > http://www.vernk.com > > > Vern Knowles > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From lawndart.robert at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 20:36:19 2008 From: lawndart.robert at gmail.com (Robert Krausert) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:36:19 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video References: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC><000c01c96af9$210beb40$6323c1c0$@com> <004601c96b01$65602970$0400a8c0@MainPC> Message-ID: <00b201c96b01$540b3610$6901a8c0@LaptopKrausert> [Kate] I'm sorry Vern. I cannot do that Vern. My program is to complete the mission, Dave. I mean Vern. With the main chute out Vern, why am I still falling at 39 miles per hour, Vern? What Vern? You left a rubber band attached Vern? Vern? Vern? I am going to hit hard, correct? Vern, will I dream? [Vern] I'm Sorry Kate, it might be a hard landing and I do not know if you will dream. [Kate] OK then Vern. I cannot allow this to happen. Why not go outside the airlock, that I control, for a while so I can reset my mission,Vern. Just kidding. Say hi to Kate!! Cheers, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vern Knowles" To: "'Scott Berfield'" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > > Yep, I'll work on it.... > > Vern > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott Berfield [mailto:sb at berfield.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:38 PM >> To: 'Vern Knowles'; rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: RE: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video >> >> Of course you did miss a bet Verne. I think hysterical >> screaming "WE'RE >> GOING IN! WE'RE GONNA DIE!" if descent velocity is over a >> certain speed is a >> requirement for next year. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com >> [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >> On Behalf Of Vern Knowles >> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:00 PM >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video >> >> >> I finally got around to finishing my web page about the XPRS >> launch last >> September. >> >> Here is the link: >> http://www.vernk.com/XPRS2008.htm >> >> Of special interest are two flights I made at XPRS using a >> new synthesized >> voice telemetry data >> system known as "Kate". Audio recordings of Kate's announcements are >> available at that link. >> >> A nice onboard video taken at XPRS is also available at that >> link. It is in >> 1280x720 HD screen >> size. >> >> >> Other recent updates to the site can also be found using the >> links on the >> main page: >> http://www.vernk.com >> >> >> Vern Knowles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Tue Dec 30 23:07:12 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:07:12 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents in Southern Israel Message-ID: <495B1A20.1010307@earthlink.net> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/29/AR2008122901901.html Has Israel Revived Hamas? By Daoud Kuttab Tuesday, December 30, 2008; Page A15 JERUSALEM -- In its efforts to stop amateur rockets from nagging the residents of some of its southern cities, Israel appears to have given new life to the fledging Islamic movement in Palestine. From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Wed Dec 31 01:39:59 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:39:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video In-Reply-To: <000c01c96af9$210beb40$6323c1c0$@com> References: <000301c969f0$172be530$0400a8c0@MainPC> <000c01c96af9$210beb40$6323c1c0$@com> Message-ID: I second the motion! +McG+ > Of course you did miss a bet Verne. I think hysterical screaming "WE'RE > GOING IN! WE'RE GONNA DIE!" if descent velocity is over a certain speed is > a > requirement for next year. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Vern Knowles > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:00 PM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: [RocketsNW] XPRS launch report + onboard HD video > > > I finally got around to finishing my web page about the XPRS launch last > September. > > Here is the link: > http://www.vernk.com/XPRS2008.htm > > Of special interest are two flights I made at XPRS using a new synthesized > voice telemetry data > system known as "Kate". Audio recordings of Kate's announcements are > available at that link. > > A nice onboard video taken at XPRS is also available at that link. It is > in > 1280x720 HD screen > size. > > > Other recent updates to the site can also be found using the links on the > main page: > http://www.vernk.com > > > Vern Knowles > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Wed Dec 31 02:02:28 2008 From: kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com (kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:02:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents in Southern Israel In-Reply-To: <495B1A20.1010307@earthlink.net> References: <495B1A20.1010307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: And from the news reports it seems the Palestinians are getting substantially better at building those Qassam missiles. Bigger, faster, farther...a 26 mile range as we all know is not that easy to do, especially without access to all the right materials. (It's gotta be able to go at least 70,000 feet straight up to do that.) Can *you* do that well with a sugar rocket? It wasn't but a few years ago that the Qassams were little more than a nuisance, a psychological weapon. Now they're starting to be serious. +McG+ > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/29/AR2008122901901.html > > > Has Israel Revived Hamas? > > By Daoud Kuttab Tuesday, December 30, 2008; Page A15 > > JERUSALEM -- In its efforts to stop amateur rockets from nagging the > residents of some of its southern cities, Israel appears to have given > new life to the fledging Islamic movement in Palestine. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > From bigrockets at verizon.net Wed Dec 31 00:03:05 2008 From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:03:05 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] spool gun Message-ID: <000601c96b1e$36a2a730$a3e7f590$@net> If any of you research rocketeers who are contemplating building aluminum rockets, fin cans, fins, etc and need some welding done, I have acquired a new Snap On spool gun. It works like a charm and will weld damn near any aluminum tempered alloy. Spool guns are basically a dc aluminum welder with the wire drum located on the torch assembly. They are much quicker to use than a Tig (AKA Heli-arc.) Most of your fancy aluminum boats are built with spool guns. We use them exclusively at work. There is a practical thickness limit to them down to about .125" . The combination of wire speed control and heat range limit their abilities on thin material. They will make some really beautiful welds on material .125" and above. They are much easier to use than a Tig torch. I can do both, but I much prefer the spool gun on stuff that needs to go out right away. If any of you need any sort of fabrication done in that line let me know. I'll only charge a little for my time and the Argon, which is an expensive shielding gas. Anything like on launchers and rails, fin flanges, etc. I'd be happy to contribute to the sport this way. Please don't take this as spam. I'm not trying to make any money off of this offer, I just saw a couple pictures of some aluminum rockets in the latest Rockets magazine and thought I might help some folks out. I'd do it for free except that argon is an expensive gas, and my time is worth the electricity it costs to run the machines. Dave Proffitt 503-622-3269 -------------- next part -------------- If any of you research rocketeers who are contemplating building aluminum rockets, fin cans, fins, etc and need some welding done, I have acquired a new Snap On spool gun. It works like a charm and will weld damn near any aluminum tempered alloy. Spool guns are basically a dc aluminum welder with the wire drum located on the torch assembly. They are much quicker to use than a Tig (AKA Heli-arc.) Most of your fancy aluminum boats are built with spool guns. We use them exclusively at work. There is a practical thickness limit to them down to about .125??? . The combination of wire speed control and heat range limit their abilities on thin material. They will make some really beautiful welds on material .125??? and above. They are much easier to use than a Tig torch. I can do both, but I much prefer the spool gun on stuff that needs to go out right away. If any of you need any sort of fabrication done in that line let me know. I???ll only charge a little for my time and the Argon, which is an expensive shielding gas. Anything like on launchers and rails, fin flanges, etc. I???d be happy to contribute to the sport this way. Please don???t take this as spam. I???m not trying to make any money off of this offer, I just saw a couple pictures of some aluminum rockets in the latest Rockets magazine and thought I might help some folks out. I???d do it for free except that argon is an expensive gas, and my time is worth the electricity it costs to run the machines. Dave Proffitt 503-622-3269 From greg at blastzone.com Wed Dec 31 08:22:05 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:22:05 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents in Southern Israel In-Reply-To: References: <495B1A20.1010307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <235e01c96b63$ebfcfe10$c3f6fa30$@com> Guys this is so far unrelated to the topics here, you're about 2mm from being moderated -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:02 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents in Southern Israel And from the news reports it seems the Palestinians are getting substantially better at building those Qassam missiles. Bigger, faster, farther...a 26 mile range as we all know is not that easy to do, especially without access to all the right materials. (It's gotta be able to go at least 70,000 feet straight up to do that.) Can *you* do that well with a sugar rocket? It wasn't but a few years ago that the Qassams were little more than a nuisance, a psychological weapon. Now they're starting to be serious. +McG+ > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/29/AR2008122901 901.html > > > Has Israel Revived Hamas? > > By Daoud Kuttab Tuesday, December 30, 2008; Page A15 > > JERUSALEM -- In its efforts to stop amateur rockets from nagging the > residents of some of its southern cities, Israel appears to have given > new life to the fledging Islamic movement in Palestine. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From greg at blastzone.com Wed Dec 31 08:25:50 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:25:50 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] spool gun In-Reply-To: <000601c96b1e$36a2a730$a3e7f590$@net> References: <000601c96b1e$36a2a730$a3e7f590$@net> Message-ID: <236501c96b64$725e8af0$571ba0d0$@com> I've been using a push/pull feeder for a little while here that I'm really happy with. Was a steal on ebay for a couple hundred bucks. Uses regular large spools of wire and feeds both from the box (push) and has rollers in the gun (pull). I'm not even in the same league when it comes to welding as Dave, but have done some work modifying a 4-wheeler rack for a buddy of mine and some other minor projects, including some fin can experiments. Fun stuff. -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Dave Proffitt Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:03 AM To: Dave Proffitt Subject: [RocketsNW] spool gun If any of you research rocketeers who are contemplating building aluminum rockets, fin cans, fins, etc and need some welding done, I have acquired a new Snap On spool gun. It works like a charm and will weld damn near any aluminum tempered alloy. Spool guns are basically a dc aluminum welder with the wire drum located on the torch assembly. They are much quicker to use than a Tig (AKA Heli-arc.) Most of your fancy aluminum boats are built with spool guns. We use them exclusively at work. There is a practical thickness limit to them down to about .125" . The combination of wire speed control and heat range limit their abilities on thin material. They will make some really beautiful welds on material .125" and above. They are much easier to use than a Tig torch. I can do both, but I much prefer the spool gun on stuff that needs to go out right away. If any of you need any sort of fabrication done in that line let me know. I'll only charge a little for my time and the Argon, which is an expensive shielding gas. Anything like on launchers and rails, fin flanges, etc. I'd be happy to contribute to the sport this way. Please don't take this as spam. I'm not trying to make any money off of this offer, I just saw a couple pictures of some aluminum rockets in the latest Rockets magazine and thought I might help some folks out. I'd do it for free except that argon is an expensive gas, and my time is worth the electricity it costs to run the machines. Dave Proffitt 503-622-3269 From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Wed Dec 31 09:11:23 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:11:23 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents in Southern Israel In-Reply-To: <235e01c96b63$ebfcfe10$c3f6fa30$@com> References: <495B1A20.1010307@earthlink.net> <235e01c96b63$ebfcfe10$c3f6fa30$@com> Message-ID: <495BA7BB.6000604@earthlink.net> The reason why I posted this is because of how the WaPo is misuing the term "amateur rockets" because the jihadis aren't launching amateur rockets over there. I just wanted to make others aware of this problem. Next thing you know the jihadi author of this article will start using the term 'model rockets' to describe the rockets being fired from Gaza at Israelis. Do we really want the American public or our enlightened politicians to associate model or amateur rockets with weaponized, home-made, as well as mass-produced military free flight rockets being used in Gaza? I think not. BTW, when was the last time your rockets nagged you? Robert Greg Deputy wrote: > Guys this is so far unrelated to the topics here, you're about 2mm from > being moderated > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:02 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents > in Southern Israel > > And from the news reports it seems the Palestinians are getting > substantially better at building those Qassam missiles. Bigger, faster, > farther...a 26 mile range as we all know is not that easy to do, > especially without access to all the right materials. (It's gotta be able > to go at least 70,000 feet straight up to do that.) Can *you* do that > well with a sugar rocket? > > It wasn't but a few years ago that the Qassams were little more than a > nuisance, a psychological weapon. Now they're starting to be serious. > +McG+ > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/29/AR2008122901 > 901.html > >> Has Israel Revived Hamas? >> >> By Daoud Kuttab Tuesday, December 30, 2008; Page A15 >> >> JERUSALEM -- In its efforts to stop amateur rockets from nagging the >> residents of some of its southern cities, Israel appears to have given >> new life to the fledging Islamic movement in Palestine. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From greg at blastzone.com Wed Dec 31 13:21:20 2008 From: greg at blastzone.com (Greg Deputy) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:21:20 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents in Southern Israel In-Reply-To: <495BA7BB.6000604@earthlink.net> References: <495B1A20.1010307@earthlink.net> <235e01c96b63$ebfcfe10$c3f6fa30$@com> <495BA7BB.6000604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <23c101c96b8d$ba2e0a30$2e8a1e90$@com> Just as long as everyone understands, rocket talk ok, jihadist/whatever talk not ok. Greg Deputy Grumpy list admin -----Original Message----- From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] On Behalf Of Hammer Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:11 AM To: rockets at rocketsnw.com Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents in Southern Israel The reason why I posted this is because of how the WaPo is misuing the term "amateur rockets" because the jihadis aren't launching amateur rockets over there. I just wanted to make others aware of this problem. Next thing you know the jihadi author of this article will start using the term 'model rockets' to describe the rockets being fired from Gaza at Israelis. Do we really want the American public or our enlightened politicians to associate model or amateur rockets with weaponized, home-made, as well as mass-produced military free flight rockets being used in Gaza? I think not. BTW, when was the last time your rockets nagged you? Robert Greg Deputy wrote: > Guys this is so far unrelated to the topics here, you're about 2mm from > being moderated > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:02 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents > in Southern Israel > > And from the news reports it seems the Palestinians are getting > substantially better at building those Qassam missiles. Bigger, faster, > farther...a 26 mile range as we all know is not that easy to do, > especially without access to all the right materials. (It's gotta be able > to go at least 70,000 feet straight up to do that.) Can *you* do that > well with a sugar rocket? > > It wasn't but a few years ago that the Qassams were little more than a > nuisance, a psychological weapon. Now they're starting to be serious. > +McG+ > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/29/AR2008122901 > 901.html > >> Has Israel Revived Hamas? >> >> By Daoud Kuttab Tuesday, December 30, 2008; Page A15 >> >> JERUSALEM -- In its efforts to stop amateur rockets from nagging the >> residents of some of its southern cities, Israel appears to have given >> new life to the fledging Islamic movement in Palestine. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ Rockets mailing list Rockets at rocketsnw.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets From hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net Wed Dec 31 14:34:04 2008 From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net (Hammer) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:34:04 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents in Southern Israel In-Reply-To: <23c101c96b8d$ba2e0a30$2e8a1e90$@com> References: <495B1A20.1010307@earthlink.net> <235e01c96b63$ebfcfe10$c3f6fa30$@com> <495BA7BB.6000604@earthlink.net> <23c101c96b8d$ba2e0a30$2e8a1e90$@com> Message-ID: <495BF35C.6090204@earthlink.net> Greg, Thanks for being understanding of my point of view. Maybe this article could be escalated to the NAR and TRA leadership level who can give the WaPo hell for being irresponsible with their words. By trying to hijack our hobby in this manner hobby rocketry could possibly have its credibility damaged at some later date in the future. It's bad enough that the BATFE has tried to do this but to have a private company, which still has much clout in the halls of Congress and other government bodies as well as the general public, makes me want to say words not allowed on this list. At the rate the WaPo, along with other newspapers is going they'll be out of business and we won't have to worry about it. Robert Greg Deputy wrote: > Just as long as everyone understands, rocket talk ok, jihadist/whatever talk > not ok. > > Greg Deputy > Grumpy list admin > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] > On Behalf Of Hammer > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:11 AM > To: rockets at rocketsnw.com > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging Residents > in Southern Israel > > The reason why I posted this is because of how the WaPo is misuing the > term "amateur rockets" because the jihadis aren't launching amateur > rockets over there. I just wanted to make others aware of this > problem. Next thing you know the jihadi author of this article will > start using the term 'model rockets' to describe the rockets being fired > from Gaza at Israelis. Do we really want the American public or our > enlightened politicians to associate model or amateur rockets with > weaponized, home-made, as well as mass-produced military free flight > rockets being used in Gaza? I think not. > > BTW, when was the last time your rockets nagged you? > > Robert > > Greg Deputy wrote: > >> Guys this is so far unrelated to the topics here, you're about 2mm from >> being moderated >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com] >> On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com >> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:02 AM >> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com >> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] Washington Post: Amateur Rockets Nagging >> > Residents > >> in Southern Israel >> >> And from the news reports it seems the Palestinians are getting >> substantially better at building those Qassam missiles. Bigger, faster, >> farther...a 26 mile range as we all know is not that easy to do, >> especially without access to all the right materials. (It's gotta be able >> to go at least 70,000 feet straight up to do that.) Can *you* do that >> well with a sugar rocket? >> >> It wasn't but a few years ago that the Qassams were little more than a >> nuisance, a psychological weapon. Now they're starting to be serious. >> +McG+ >> >> >> >> >> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/29/AR2008122901 > >> 901.html >> >> >>> Has Israel Revived Hamas? >>> >>> By Daoud Kuttab Tuesday, December 30, 2008; Page A15 >>> >>> JERUSALEM -- In its efforts to stop amateur rockets from nagging the >>> residents of some of its southern cities, Israel appears to have given >>> new life to the fledging Islamic movement in Palestine. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockets mailing list >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockets mailing list >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockets mailing list > Rockets at rocketsnw.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets > > > From bigredbee at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 16:12:23 2008 From: bigredbee at gmail.com (Greg Clark) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:12:23 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] BigRedBee w/ VX-8R? Message-ID: Does anyone have one of Yaesu's VX-8R and a BigRedBee GPS ??? I'd like to confirm that the VX-8R can correctly decode and display the packets. -- Greg From bigrockets at verizon.net Wed Dec 31 22:13:30 2008 From: bigrockets at verizon.net (Dave Proffitt) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:13:30 -0800 Subject: [RocketsNW] long burn missle motors Message-ID: <00cb01c96bd8$11a39150$34eab3f0$@net> I had to laugh I watched "Behind Enemy Lines" for the 8th time the other night. When Stackhouse and Wilson's FA18 Super Hornet overflew a restricted area it was fired on by some (probably Soviet based) small mobile missile launcher. There were two SAM's fired at the plane and God Bless Stackhouse's efforts to ditch or divert the missiles took him at least 5 minutes. All the time these missiles are making 3 square mile u turns, following the Hornet all over hell and back, that rocket motor just kept on running. That's the longest burn I've ever seen in any tactical missile. Who knows? Maybe someone has developed a super long burn propellant for these missiles, far be it from me to say nay, but sometimes Hollywood is just a little hard for me to swallow. Those ding-a-lings are still using a rat-ta-tat-tat, for minnie guns and 20 and 30 mm Vulcans. The 20mm Vulcan that I worked on fired at 3000 rpm high rate of fire in burst limits. The Airforce versions go 6000 rpm. That's a far cry from 550 rmp. Big sound difference too. Guess I'm just nit picky. Dave Proffitt -------------- next part -------------- I had to laugh I watched ???Behind Enemy Lines??? for the 8 th time the other night. When Stackhouse and Wilson???s FA18 Super Hornet overflew a restricted area it was fired on by some (probably Soviet based) small mobile missile launcher. There were two SAM???s fired at the plane and God Bless Stackhouse???s efforts to ditch or divert the missiles took him at least 5 minutes. All the time these missiles are making 3 square mile u turns, following the Hornet all over hell and back, that rocket motor just kept on running. That???s the longest burn I???ve ever seen in any tactical missile. Who knows? Maybe someone has developed a super long burn propellant for these missiles, far be it from me to say nay, but sometimes Hollywood is just a little hard for me to swallow. Those ding-a-lings are still using a rat-ta-tat-tat, for minnie guns and 20 and 30 mm Vulcans. The 20mm Vulcan that I worked on fired at 3000 rpm high rate of fire in burst limits. The Airforce versions go 6000 rpm. That???s a far cry from 550 rmp. Big sound difference too. Guess I???m just nit picky. Dave Proffitt ?