From jdcluster at optonline.net Sun Sep 13 20:59:19 2009 From: jdcluster at optonline.net (JDcluster) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:59:19 -0400 Subject: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software References: <4b48e1100909132037l7f1128d0xc1fcb4dbff1e182e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801ca34ef$bcaf8cd0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> I've had a brown out, where the altimeter resets & was beeping in stand by mode. The data was there & downloaded on the first try. It's as if it never recorded in the first place. It is a little ironic, since I just sent out an ARTS one to be repaired. Has anyone had problems with flight data not being stored? JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldred Pickett" To: "Tripoli Members Forum" Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:34 PM, JDcluster > wrote: >> I updated the software a while ago & re-installed it just to be sure. >> I'm able to connect to the ARTS & configure the 2 channels. >> My problem seems to be that there is no flight data at all..... >> I tried downloading from both memory banks & there is nothing there. >> The program just sits there...... >> >> I did run just one battery ( Duracell ) which tested 9.5 volts before the >> flight. >> Both charges fired without any problems. >> > > Oh, ok. I'm wondering if you experienced a 'brownout' condition that > scrambled the data. I only run 1 9V as well and haven't had any > problems. A few of my club members say that you whould run 2 9V > batteries, even on the older boards. > I can't say one way or the other. > > Eldred > -- > "Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." > -Kurt Cobain > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Messages posted to this list are confidential and shall not be posted or > published on other forums, mail lists, web sites or other information > services without prior written permission of the author. > Copyright 2002-2009 by Tripoli Rocketry Association. > > From christian at snet.net Mon Sep 14 04:15:59 2009 From: christian at snet.net (Chris) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 04:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software In-Reply-To: <003801ca34ef$bcaf8cd0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> Message-ID: <944753.68303.qm@web82403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, My ARTS I acted funny at the MARS launch in August. New battery, verified continuity on both FORE and AFT e-matches and everything sounded fine one out on the PAD armed. ? Once retrieved, the ARTS I was beeping as if it was ready for flight but as you stated the data was there and downloaded with ease. ? The flight?went to 5150' on?a K695skidmark loaded in the?LOC Magnum, it seems that I almost broke mach. ? This ALT did take a hard landing 2 flights ago and it has been a little funny. Just?have not found time?to mail it in for diagnostics/repair. ? Chris --- On Sun, 9/13/09, JDcluster wrote: From: JDcluster Subject: Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software To: "Tripoli Members Forum" Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 11:59 PM I've had a brown out, where the altimeter resets & was beeping in stand by mode. The data was there & downloaded on the first try. It's as if it never recorded in the first place. It is a little ironic, since I just sent out an ARTS one to be repaired. Has anyone had problems with flight data not being stored? JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldred Pickett" To: "Tripoli Members Forum" Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:34 PM, JDcluster wrote: >> I updated the software a while ago & re-installed it just to be sure. >> I'm able to connect to the ARTS & configure the 2 channels. >> My problem seems to be that there is no flight data at all..... >> I tried downloading from both memory banks & there is nothing there. >> The program just sits there...... >> >> I did run just one battery ( Duracell ) which tested 9.5 volts before the >> flight. >> Both charges fired without any problems. >> > > Oh, ok.? I'm wondering if you experienced a 'brownout' condition that > scrambled the data.? I only run 1 9V as well and haven't had any > problems.? A few of my club members say that you whould run 2 9V > batteries, even on the older boards. > I can't say one way or the other. > > Eldred > -- "Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." > -Kurt Cobain > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Messages posted to this list are confidential and shall not be posted or > published on other forums, mail lists, web sites or other information > services without prior written permission of the author. > Copyright 2002-2009 by Tripoli Rocketry Association. > > _______________________________________________ ARTS mailing list ARTS at lokiresearch.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/arts -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdcluster at optonline.net Mon Sep 14 15:18:57 2009 From: jdcluster at optonline.net (JDcluster) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:18:57 -0400 Subject: [ARTS] Test... 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URL: From jetgen at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 14 17:39:12 2009 From: jetgen at sbcglobal.net (Jenni and John Etgen) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:39:12 -0500 Subject: [ARTS] ARTS 2 data retrieval problem. In-Reply-To: <000d01ca3597$afe1b8e0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> References: <000d01ca3597$afe1b8e0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> Message-ID: <4AAEE230.8060202@sbcglobal.net> JD: Make sure that the toggle switch is all the way in position for the data bank. I have had this happen once before, and once I had the switch all the way in position I was able to download. Jenni Etgen JDcluster wrote: > > I flew my ARTS 2 Sunday ( as seen on TRA list) it worked for > deployment, but now that I try to download, it just sits there. > > Is there any way to confirm that the data is even there? > > This was the first flight of this unit. > > I was able to connect to the ARTS & change the flight profile both > download & upload it. > > > > JD > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > ARTS mailing list > ARTS at lokiresearch.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/arts From jdcluster at optonline.net Mon Sep 14 18:05:01 2009 From: jdcluster at optonline.net (JDcluster) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:05:01 -0400 Subject: [ARTS] ARTS 2 data retrieval problem. References: <000d01ca3597$afe1b8e0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> <4AAEE230.8060202@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <002b01ca35a0$8e63dff0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> Yes, I did do this & nothing worked. I never touched the switches until I tried to download the flight. JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenni and John Etgen" To: "JDcluster" Cc: Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [ARTS] ARTS 2 data retrieval problem. > JD: > > Make sure that the toggle switch is all the way in position for the > data bank. I have had this happen once before, and once I had the > switch all the way in position I was able to download. > > Jenni Etgen > > JDcluster wrote: >> >> I flew my ARTS 2 Sunday ( as seen on TRA list) it worked for >> deployment, but now that I try to download, it just sits there. >> >> Is there any way to confirm that the data is even there? >> >> This was the first flight of this unit. >> >> I was able to connect to the ARTS & change the flight profile both >> download & upload it. >> >> >> >> JD >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARTS mailing list >> ARTS at lokiresearch.com >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/arts From ehall at ozarkaerospace.com Mon Sep 14 18:26:26 2009 From: ehall at ozarkaerospace.com (Erik Hall) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:26:26 -0400 Subject: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software In-Reply-To: <003801ca34ef$bcaf8cd0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> References: <4b48e1100909132037l7f1128d0xc1fcb4dbff1e182e@mail.gmail.com> <003801ca34ef$bcaf8cd0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> Message-ID: <98A5AFCAEB0F4F5DB4BD91DDD99188D4@OzarkX4> Jeff, I received the ARTS1 you sent in for repair. The corner of the barometric sensor is chewed up like was hit with a turning drill bit. I think the sensor is ok, but the circuit board also got bitten into. A trace for torn off so I'll need to bypass it with a wire. It won't look pretty, but it'll work. Also, someone replaced the terminal blocks and did not install them correctly. Do you want me to replace them as well? As for your other ARTS, I am a little confused. You say that the data "downloaded on the first try", and then you say that the data is not there? When you download data, it downloads the contents of the memory bank selected by switch #2. please check that the switch is set to to same memory bank you used during the flight. Can you please send me the .odf file? Or, you can send the unit to me to take a look at. Thanks, Erik -----Original Message----- From: arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com [mailto:arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com] On Behalf Of JDcluster Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:59 PM To: Tripoli Members Forum Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com Subject: Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software I've had a brown out, where the altimeter resets & was beeping in stand by mode. The data was there & downloaded on the first try. It's as if it never recorded in the first place. It is a little ironic, since I just sent out an ARTS one to be repaired. Has anyone had problems with flight data not being stored? JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldred Pickett" To: "Tripoli Members Forum" Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:34 PM, JDcluster > wrote: >> I updated the software a while ago & re-installed it just to be sure. >> I'm able to connect to the ARTS & configure the 2 channels. >> My problem seems to be that there is no flight data at all..... >> I tried downloading from both memory banks & there is nothing there. >> The program just sits there...... >> >> I did run just one battery ( Duracell ) which tested 9.5 volts before the >> flight. >> Both charges fired without any problems. >> > > Oh, ok. I'm wondering if you experienced a 'brownout' condition that > scrambled the data. I only run 1 9V as well and haven't had any > problems. A few of my club members say that you whould run 2 9V > batteries, even on the older boards. > I can't say one way or the other. > > Eldred > -- > "Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." > -Kurt Cobain > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Messages posted to this list are confidential and shall not be posted or > published on other forums, mail lists, web sites or other information > services without prior written permission of the author. > Copyright 2002-2009 by Tripoli Rocketry Association. > > _______________________________________________ ARTS mailing list ARTS at lokiresearch.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/arts From ehall at ozarkaerospace.com Mon Sep 14 18:30:13 2009 From: ehall at ozarkaerospace.com (Erik Hall) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:30:13 -0400 Subject: [ARTS] {Disarmed} Re: [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software In-Reply-To: <944753.68303.qm@web82403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <003801ca34ef$bcaf8cd0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> <944753.68303.qm@web82403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Chris, Sometimes a hard landing will break solder joints and make an altimeter "a little funny". The hard part with this type of damage is that it doesn't always present itself on the test bench. Sort of like that funny rattle a car keeps making, but then stops when you bring it in to a mechanic. Thanks, Erik _____ From: arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com [mailto:arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:16 AM To: Tripoli Members Forum; JDcluster Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software Jeff, My ARTS I acted funny at the MARS launch in August. New battery, verified continuity on both FORE and AFT e-matches and everything sounded fine one out on the PAD armed. Once retrieved, the ARTS I was beeping as if it was ready for flight but as you stated the data was there and downloaded with ease. The flight went to 5150' on a K695skidmark loaded in the LOC Magnum, it seems that I almost broke mach. This ALT did take a hard landing 2 flights ago and it has been a little funny. Just have not found time to mail it in for diagnostics/repair. Chris --- On Sun, 9/13/09, JDcluster wrote: From: JDcluster Subject: Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software To: "Tripoli Members Forum" Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 11:59 PM I've had a brown out, where the altimeter resets & was beeping in stand by mode. The data was there & downloaded on the first try. It's as if it never recorded in the first place. It is a little ironic, since I just sent out an ARTS one to be repaired. Has anyone had problems with flight data not being stored? JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldred Pickett" < MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be epickett at gmail.com> To: "Tripoli Members Forum" < MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be tra at tripoli.org> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:34 PM, JDcluster < MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be jdcluster at optonline.net> wrote: >> I updated the software a while ago & re-installed it just to be sure. >> I'm able to connect to the ARTS & configure the 2 channels. >> My problem seems to be that there is no flight data at all..... >> I tried downloading from both memory banks & there is nothing there. >> The program just sits there...... >> >> I did run just one battery ( Duracell ) which tested 9.5 volts before the >> flight. >> Both charges fired without any problems. >> > > Oh, ok. I'm wondering if you experienced a 'brownout' condition that > scrambled the data. I only run 1 9V as well and haven't had any > problems. A few of my club members say that you whould run 2 9V > batteries, even on the older boards. > I can't say one way or the other. > > Eldred > -- "Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." > -Kurt Cobain > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Messages posted to this list are confidential and shall not be posted or > published on other forums, mail lists, web sites or other information > services without prior written permission of the author. > Copyright 2002-2009 by Tripoli Rocketry Association. > > _______________________________________________ ARTS mailing list MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be ARTS at lokiresearch.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/arts -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ehall at ozarkaerospace.com Mon Sep 14 18:33:19 2009 From: ehall at ozarkaerospace.com (Erik Hall) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:33:19 -0400 Subject: [ARTS] ARTS 2 data retrieval problem. In-Reply-To: <000d01ca3597$afe1b8e0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> References: <000d01ca3597$afe1b8e0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> Message-ID: <2BCE1072F5A24428B216D8223DB0F6FF@OzarkX4> See previous emails. -Erik _____ From: arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com [mailto:arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com] On Behalf Of JDcluster Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:02 PM To: arts at LokiResearch.com Subject: [ARTS] ARTS 2 data retrieval problem. I flew my ARTS 2 Sunday ( as seen on TRA list) it worked for deployment, but now that I try to download, it just sits there. Is there any way to confirm that the data is even there? This was the first flight of this unit. I was able to connect to the ARTS & change the flight profile both download & upload it. JD -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ehall at ozarkaerospace.com Tue Sep 15 16:05:00 2009 From: ehall at ozarkaerospace.com (Erik Hall) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:05:00 -0400 Subject: [ARTS] ARTS - Chat In-Reply-To: <326269.73317.qm@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <326269.73317.qm@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Chris, >From the data you sent, it looks like the altimeter lost power when the shock of the main fired. The step in the baro data after that point is probably data recorded on a previous flight. That explains the beeping you heard, and is consistent with the data. The unit is probably OK. Thanks, Erik _____ From: Chris [mailto:christian at snet.net] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:55 PM To: ehall at ozarkaerospace.com Subject: ARTS - Chat Oh I agree, My van recently has more miles up than forward and reverse in the past month. I can not complain, I got this one used and it was a champ until that fall under drouge only and not to meantion this was the one I changed the terminals on. It has not been a priority since I have another Arts I and (2) Arts II. Once things settle down, I'll probally mail it for evaluation sooner or later or not since I need a reliable altimeter for my WOKET and apogee is all thats needed. -Chris --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Erik Hall wrote: From: Erik Hall Subject: RE: {Disarmed} Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software To: "'Chris'" , "'Tripoli Members Forum'" , "'JDcluster'" Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:30 PM Chris, Sometimes a hard landing will break solder joints and make an altimeter "a little funny". The hard part with this type of damage is that it doesn't always present itself on the test bench. Sort of like that funny rattle a car keeps making, but then stops when you bring it in to a mechanic. Thanks, Erik _____ From: arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com [mailto:arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:16 AM To: Tripoli Members Forum; JDcluster Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software Jeff, My ARTS I acted funny at the MARS launch in August. New battery, verified continuity on both FORE and AFT e-matches and everything sounded fine one out on the PAD armed. Once retrieved, the ARTS I was beeping as if it was ready for flight but as you stated the data was there and downloaded with ease. The flight went to 5150' on a K695skidmark loaded in the LOC Magnum, it seems that I almost broke mach. This ALT did take a hard landing 2 flights ago and it has been a little funny. Just have not found time to mail it in for diagnostics/repair. Chris --- On Sun, 9/13/09, JDcluster wrote: From: JDcluster Subject: Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software To: "Tripoli Members Forum" Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 11:59 PM I've had a brown out, where the altimeter resets & was beeping in stand by mode. The data was there & downloaded on the first try. It's as if it never recorded in the first place. It is a little ironic, since I just sent out an ARTS one to be repaired. Has anyone had problems with flight data not being stored? JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldred Pickett" < MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be epickett at gmail.com> To: "Tripoli Members Forum" < MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be tra at tripoli.org> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:34 PM, JDcluster < MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be jdcluster at optonline.net> wrote: >> I updated the software a while ago & re-installed it just to be sure. >> I'm able to connect to the ARTS & configure the 2 channels. >> My problem seems to be that there is no flight data at all..... >> I tried downloading from both memory banks & there is nothing there. >> The program just sits there...... >> >> I did run just one battery ( Duracell ) which tested 9.5 volts before the >> flight. >> Both charges fired without any problems. >> > > Oh, ok. I'm wondering if you experienced a 'brownout' condition that > scrambled the data. I only run 1 9V as well and haven't had any > problems. A few of my club members say that you whould run 2 9V > batteries, even on the older boards. > I can't say one way or the other. > > Eldred > -- "Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." > -Kurt Cobain > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Messages posted to this list are confidential and shall not be posted or > published on other forums, mail lists, web sites or other information > services without prior written permission of the author. > Copyright 2002-2009 by Tripoli Rocketry Association. > > _______________________________________________ ARTS mailing list MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be ARTS at lokiresearch.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/arts -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ehall at ozarkaerospace.com Tue Sep 15 16:16:08 2009 From: ehall at ozarkaerospace.com (Erik Hall) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:16:08 -0400 Subject: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software In-Reply-To: <005801ca35a9$9be98cc0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> References: <4b48e1100909132037l7f1128d0xc1fcb4dbff1e182e@mail.gmail.com> <003801ca34ef$bcaf8cd0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> <98A5AFCAEB0F4F5DB4BD91DDD99188D4@OzarkX4> <005801ca35a9$9be98cc0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> Message-ID: <2C3BF6D46A3547C9AB67399B888B6C3C@OzarkX4> Jeff, One of two things happens when you download empty data: either DA hangs (this is not often) or you just get a file filled with empty data. I do not know why some systems hang. I have seen cases where you install the exact same version of DA on two different computers, download the same empty data from the same ARTS, and one hangs, the other doesn't. With the number of ARTS in the field, I've seen every kind of problem at one time or another. No systemic problems with the memory, though. There are five components in the memory subsystem and if one of them is bad then it may be preventing the processor from reading the memory chip. I have seen rough handling cause a resistor to be torn from the board, and the memory stopped working. In that case I'll replace the part. If you would like to send this unit in to be evaluated, please do so. I'd be happy to give it a going over. Thanks, Erik -----Original Message----- From: JDcluster [mailto:jdcluster at optonline.net] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:10 PM To: ehall at ozarkaerospace.com Subject: Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software Yes, it was a drill bit all right. Go ahead & replace them, I want it to work. Replying to below------------ I was talking about two different ARTS 2 altimeters that I bought at the same time. The first one was flown 6-8 times & on one flight it reset to stand by mode. I was able to download it right away & everything was fine & flew it again without incident. The one I'm having trouble with; was flown for the first time Sunday & preformed perfectly in flight (deployment wise). When I went to download the data it just hangs when connected to the computer. I can go in & change both profiles, but can not download any data from the flight. The download pop up appears & just hangs there. Would this happen if there is no data? _______________________________________________________ Have you had any problems with the memory banks on the ARTS 2? JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Hall" To: "'JDcluster'" ; "'Tripoli Members Forum'" Cc: Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: RE: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software > Jeff, > > I received the ARTS1 you sent in for repair. The corner of the barometric > sensor is chewed up like was hit with a turning drill bit. I think the > sensor is ok, but the circuit board also got bitten into. A trace for torn > off so I'll need to bypass it with a wire. It won't look pretty, but it'll > work. Also, someone replaced the terminal blocks and did not install them > correctly. Do you want me to replace them as well? > > As for your other ARTS, I am a little confused. You say that the data > "downloaded on the first try", and then you say that the data is not > there? > When you download data, it downloads the contents of the memory bank > selected by switch #2. please check that the switch is set to to same > memory > bank you used during the flight. Can you please send me the .odf file? > > Or, you can send the unit to me to take a look at. > > Thanks, > Erik > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com [mailto:arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com] > On Behalf Of JDcluster > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:59 PM > To: Tripoli Members Forum > Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com > Subject: Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software > > I've had a brown out, where the altimeter resets & was beeping in stand by > mode. > The data was there & downloaded on the first try. > It's as if it never recorded in the first place. > It is a little ironic, since I just sent out an ARTS one to be repaired. > Has anyone had problems with flight data not being stored? > > > > > JD > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eldred Pickett" > To: "Tripoli Members Forum" > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:37 PM > Subject: Re: [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software > > >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:34 PM, JDcluster >> wrote: >>> I updated the software a while ago & re-installed it just to be sure. >>> I'm able to connect to the ARTS & configure the 2 channels. >>> My problem seems to be that there is no flight data at all..... >>> I tried downloading from both memory banks & there is nothing there. >>> The program just sits there...... >>> >>> I did run just one battery ( Duracell ) which tested 9.5 volts before >>> the >>> flight. >>> Both charges fired without any problems. >>> >> >> Oh, ok. I'm wondering if you experienced a 'brownout' condition that >> scrambled the data. I only run 1 9V as well and haven't had any >> problems. A few of my club members say that you whould run 2 9V >> batteries, even on the older boards. >> I can't say one way or the other. >> >> Eldred >> -- >> "Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." >> -Kurt Cobain >> From ehall at ozarkaerospace.com Thu Sep 17 17:10:06 2009 From: ehall at ozarkaerospace.com (Erik Hall) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:10:06 -0400 Subject: [ARTS] ARTS - Chat In-Reply-To: <346276.90216.qm@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <346276.90216.qm@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Chris, Check the battery construction. 9v batteries are actually made up of 6 small cells. Some manufacturers weld the cell contacts together, some only use compression terminals. Take one apart to see how it is made. The captured data file is different, but I bet the raw data points after that step are the same as a previous flight. Remember that you need to look at the raw data, there will be a different calibration for each flight applied to the data. As for recording rates, it really depends on how long you expect the flight to be. DataAnalyzer displays the recoding length as you select different recording rates. Thanks, Erik _____ From: Chris [mailto:christian at snet.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:36 PM To: ehall at ozarkaerospace.com Subject: RE: ARTS - Chat The main may have been a bit energetic and forgot to state that the nose cone pulled out the main at apogee. That would cause enough trama plus I tried a new series of battery which may have been another point of failure. The captured log is different from the previous flights, I collect them. Another question over sample rates, what in your expertise whould you set for flight durations over 80 seconds. --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Erik Hall wrote: From: Erik Hall Subject: RE: ARTS - Chat To: "'Chris'" Cc: arts at LokiResearch.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 7:05 PM Chris, >From the data you sent, it looks like the altimeter lost power when the shock of the main fired. The step in the baro data after that point is probably data recorded on a previous flight. That explains the beeping you heard, and is consistent with the data. The unit is probably OK. Thanks, Erik _____ From: Chris [mailto:christian at snet.net] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:55 PM To: ehall at ozarkaerospace.com Subject: ARTS - Chat Oh I agree, My van recently has more miles up than forward and reverse in the past month. I can not complain, I got this one used and it was a champ until that fall under drouge only and not to meantion this was the one I changed the terminals on. It has not been a priority since I have another Arts I and (2) Arts II. Once things settle down, I'll probally mail it for evaluation sooner or later or not since I need a reliable altimeter for my WOKET and apogee is all thats needed. -Chris --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Erik Hall wrote: From: Erik Hall Subject: RE: {Disarmed} Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software To: "'Chris'" , "'Tripoli Members Forum'" , "' JDcluster '" Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:30 PM Chris, Sometimes a hard landing will break solder joints and make an altimeter "a little funny". The hard part with this type of damage is that it doesn't always present itself on the test bench. Sort of like that funny rattle a car keeps making, but then stops when you bring it in to a mechanic. Thanks, Erik _____ From: arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com [mailto:arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:16 AM To: Tripoli Members Forum; JDcluster Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software Jeff, My ARTS I acted funny at the MARS launch in August. New battery, verified continuity on both FORE and AFT e-matches and everything sounded fine one out on the PAD armed. Once retrieved, the ARTS I was beeping as if it was ready for flight but as you stated the data was there and downloaded with ease. The flight went to 5150' on a K695skidmark loaded in the LOC Magnum, it seems that I almost broke mach. This ALT did take a hard landing 2 flights ago and it has been a little funny. Just have not found time to mail it in for diagnostics/repair. Chris --- On Sun, 9/13/09, JDcluster wrote: From: JDcluster Subject: Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software To: "Tripoli Members Forum" Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 11:59 PM I've had a brown out, where the altimeter resets & was beeping in stand by mode. The data was there & downloaded on the first try. It's as if it never recorded in the first place. It is a little ironic, since I just sent out an ARTS one to be repaired. Has anyone had problems with flight data not being stored? JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldred Pickett" < MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be epickett at gmail.com> To: "Tripoli Members Forum" < MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be tra at tripoli.org> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:34 PM, JDcluster < MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be jdcluster at optonline.net> wrote: >> I updated the software a while ago & re-installed it just to be sure. >> I'm able to connect to the ARTS & configure the 2 channels. >> My problem seems to be that there is no flight data at all..... >> I tried downloading from both memory banks & there is nothing there. >> The program just sits there...... >> >> I did run just one battery ( Duracell ) which tested 9.5 volts before the >> flight. >> Both charges fired without any problems. >> > > Oh, ok. I'm wondering if you experienced a 'brownout' condition that > scrambled the data. I only run 1 9V as well and haven't had any > problems. A few of my club members say that you whould run 2 9V > batteries, even on the older boards. > I can't say one way or the other. > > Eldred > -- "Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." > -Kurt Cobain > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Messages posted to this list are confidential and shall not be posted or > published on other forums, mail lists, web sites or other information > services without prior written permission of the author. > Copyright 2002-2009 by Tripoli Rocketry Association. > > _______________________________________________ ARTS mailing list MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be ARTS at lokiresearch.com http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/arts -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffmensch at sympatico.ca Thu Sep 17 18:31:32 2009 From: jeffmensch at sympatico.ca (Jeff Mensch) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:31:32 -0400 Subject: [ARTS] ARTS - Chat In-Reply-To: References: <346276.90216.qm@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AB2E2F4.90105@sympatico.ca> I've taken apart a Duracell 9V alkaline before. The cells are welded together with thin strips of metal. Been using them exclusively for more extreme flights and soldering power connections directly to the terminals. No failures so far. Jeff Erik Hall wrote: > > Chris, > > Check the battery construction. 9v batteries are actually made up of 6 > small cells. Some manufacturers weld the cell contacts together, some > only use compression terminals. Take one apart to see how it is made. > > The captured data file is different, but I bet the raw data points > after that step are the same as a previous flight. Remember that you > need to look at the raw data, there will be a different calibration > for each flight applied to the data. > > As for recording rates, it really depends on how long you expect the > flight to be. DataAnalyzer displays the recoding length as you select > different recording rates. > > Thanks, > > Erik > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Chris [mailto:christian at snet.net] > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:36 PM > *To:* ehall at ozarkaerospace.com > *Subject:* RE: ARTS - Chat > > The main may have been a bit energetic and forgot to state that the > nose cone pulled out the main at apogee. That would cause enough trama > plus I tried a new series of battery which may have been another point > of failure. > > The captured log is different from the previous flights, I collect them. > > Another question over sample rates, what in your expertise whould you > set for flight durations over 80 seconds. > > > > --- On *Tue, 9/15/09, Erik Hall //* wrote: > > > From: Erik Hall > Subject: RE: ARTS - Chat > To: "'Chris'" > Cc: arts at LokiResearch.com > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 7:05 PM > > Chris, > > From the data you sent, it looks like the altimeter lost power > when the shock of the main fired. The step in the baro data after > that point is probably data recorded on a previous flight. > > That explains the beeping you heard, and is consistent with the data. > > The unit is probably OK. > > Thanks, > Erik > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Chris [mailto:christian at snet.net] > *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 10:55 PM > *To:* ehall at ozarkaerospace.com > *Subject:* ARTS - Chat > > Oh I agree, My van recently has more miles up than forward and reverse > in the past month. > > I can not complain, I got this one used and it was a champ until that > fall under drouge only and not to meantion this was the one I changed > the terminals on. > > It has not been a priority since I have another Arts I and (2) Arts II. > > Once things settle down, I'll probally mail it for evaluation sooner > or later or not since I need a reliable altimeter for my WOKET and > apogee is all thats needed. > > -Chris > > > --- On *Mon, 9/14/09, Erik Hall //* wrote: > > > From: Erik Hall > Subject: RE: {Disarmed} Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software > To: "'Chris'" , "'Tripoli Members Forum'" > , "' JDcluster '" > Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com > Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:30 PM > > Chris, > > Sometimes a hard landing will break solder joints and make an > altimeter ?a little funny?. The hard part with this type of damage is > that it doesn?t always present itself on the test bench. Sort of like > that funny rattle a car keeps making, but then stops when you bring it > in to a mechanic. > > Thanks, > > Erik > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com > [mailto:arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris > *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 7:16 AM > *To:* Tripoli Members Forum; JDcluster > *Cc:* arts at lokiresearch.com > *Subject:* {Disarmed} Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software > > Jeff, > > My ARTS I acted funny at the MARS launch in August. > > New battery, verified continuity on both FORE and AFT e-matches and > everything sounded fine one out on the PAD armed. > > Once retrieved, the ARTS I was beeping as if it was ready for flight > but as you stated the data was there and downloaded with ease. > > The flight went to 5150' on a K695skidmark loaded in the LOC Magnum, > it seems that I almost broke mach. > > This ALT did take a hard landing 2 flights ago and it has been a > little funny. Just have not found time to mail it in for > diagnostics/repair. > > Chris > > --- On *Sun, 9/13/09, JDcluster //* wrote: > > > From: JDcluster > Subject: Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software > To: "Tripoli Members Forum" > Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com > Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 11:59 PM > > I've had a brown out, where the altimeter resets & was beeping in > stand by mode. > The data was there & downloaded on the first try. > It's as if it never recorded in the first place. > It is a little ironic, since I just sent out an ARTS one to be repaired. > Has anyone had problems with flight data not being stored? > > > > > JD > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldred Pickett" <*MailScanner has > detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" > claiming to be* *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt > from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be* *MailScanner has > detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" > claiming to be* *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt > from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be* epickett at gmail.com > > > To: "Tripoli Members Forum" <*MailScanner has detected a possible > fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be* > *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from > "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be* *MailScanner has detected a > possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be* > *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from > "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be* tra at tripoli.org > > > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:37 PM > Subject: Re: [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:34 PM, JDcluster <*MailScanner has > detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" > claiming to be* *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt > from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be* *MailScanner has > detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" > claiming to be* *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt > from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be* jdcluster at optonline.net > > > wrote: > >> I updated the software a while ago & re-installed it just to be sure. > >> I'm able to connect to the ARTS & configure the 2 channels. > >> My problem seems to be that there is no flight data at all..... > >> I tried downloading from both memory banks & there is nothing there. > >> The program just sits there...... > >> > >> I did run just one battery ( Duracell ) which tested 9.5 volts > before the > >> flight. > >> Both charges fired without any problems. > >> > > > > Oh, ok. I'm wondering if you experienced a 'brownout' condition that > > scrambled the data. I only run 1 9V as well and haven't had any > > problems. A few of my club members say that you whould run 2 9V > > batteries, even on the older boards. > > I can't say one way or the other. > > > > Eldred > > -- "Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." > > -Kurt Cobain > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Messages posted to this list are confidential and shall not be posted or > > published on other forums, mail lists, web sites or other information > > services without prior written permission of the author. > > Copyright 2002-2009 by Tripoli Rocketry Association. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARTS mailing list > *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from > "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be* *MailScanner has detected a > possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be* > *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from > "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be* *MailScanner has detected a > possible fraud attempt from "us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be* > ARTS at lokiresearch.com > > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/arts > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > ARTS mailing list > ARTS at lokiresearch.com > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/arts From jdcluster at optonline.net Mon Sep 21 14:10:12 2009 From: jdcluster at optonline.net (JDcluster) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:10:12 -0400 Subject: [ARTS] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software References: <003801ca34ef$bcaf8cd0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> <944753.68303.qm@web82403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007f01ca3aff$e8a6fdd0$6601a8c0@JDkluster3500> I don't know if I mentioned that, this was the first fight of this ARTS 2 unit. The flight was perfect other than no data was recorded.... Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Erik Hall To: 'Chris' ; 'Tripoli Members Forum' ; 'JDcluster' Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:30 PM Subject: RE: {Disarmed} Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software Chris, Sometimes a hard landing will break solder joints and make an altimeter "a little funny". The hard part with this type of damage is that it doesn't always present itself on the test bench. Sort of like that funny rattle a car keeps making, but then stops when you bring it in to a mechanic. Thanks, Erik ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com [mailto:arts-bounces at lokiresearch.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:16 AM To: Tripoli Members Forum; JDcluster Cc: arts at lokiresearch.com Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [ARTS] [TRA] ARTS - OZARK 1.61 software Jeff, My ARTS I acted funny at the MARS launch in August. New battery, verified continuity on both FORE and AFT e-matches and everything sounded fine one out on the PAD armed. Once retrieved, the ARTS I was beeping as if it was ready for flight but as you stated the data was there and downloaded with ease. The flight went to 5150' on a K695skidmark loaded in the LOC Magnum, it seems that I almost broke mach. This ALT did take a hard landing 2 flights ago and it has been a little funny. Just have not found time to mail it in for diagnostics/repair. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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